The Livy Method Podcast - Stop Optimizing Yourself Out of Living

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

Gina Livy sits down with Kyle Buchanan, wellness contributor on Global's The Morning Show and host of Feel Goodery and The Exhale on SiriusXM, and they do not hold back. From salmon sperm facials to scream clubs, they cut through the noise of so much modern wellness "wankery" to talk about what actually may help you. The conversation gets to the core of nervous system burnout, why grief goes unacknowledged, what it means to finally stop editing yourself for everyone else, and why the most radical thing you can do right now might be to exhale longer than you inhale. No optimization required.Where to Find Kyle:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itskyleb/Website: https://www.kylebuchanan.ca/Podcast: feelgoodery with Kyle BuchananThe Exhale with Kyle Buchanan on SiriusXM Radio ch.167 Sundays at 4pmThis episode aligns with day 39 of our Spring 2026 weight loss program. You can find the full video hosted at: www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodspring2026To learn more about The Livy Method, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm going to be honest with you, this podcast is unapologetically a hot mess because that is what midlife feels like sometimes. Why, though? And how do we make it better? Do we all just need facelifts and g-lp-1s? I mean, let's talk about it. No bullshit, no wellness wangery here because we're trying to make real change and change is hard. But we're in this together. Welcome to the Livy Method podcast.

Rob Buchanan is joining me this morning. Well, he's back and he's joining me today. I've been calling you our like wellness. guru, but like wellness is weird right now, right? This is the thing. I am part of the wellness industry technically, but I spent a lot of time just trying to just talk it down or just like take the, I don't know, because there's a lot of nuggets like anything.

We have nuggets that are really, really good, but people take it to the nth degree. Yeah. And I can't stand it. So I both love it and hate it. But there is information that people could benefit from. So I'm still here today. Yeah, it's so weird. Our friend Amanda Thib, she's like a menopause specialist, a fitness guru in

herself. And she calls it wellness wankery. Oh, I know. It is because I roll my eyes at it all the time because it also, we've gotten to the point now, especially in certain aspects of the wellness world where people are optimizing everything. Like there's you, they are trying to be the perfect human, no fun, no sugar, no anything. and I don't like, like, part of what I like talking about is, yes, nutrition and things we can do to feel better,

but it's also the human experience. And I think we're losing that with everyone going and tracking things. And I don't know. It's a lot. Oh, my God. Yeah. I saw this girl. And no disrespect, no shade at all. Because people love it. But she was like, oh, to find out how many calories you need to do, here's the math. How much fat. Fat, here's the math. Protein. Math. Fiber. Math. Things. I'm like, oh, for the love of God, are you serious? Like, who has time for that? Well, you and I are similar. I don't like calorie counting at all. It gives me so much anxiety.

And I've, yeah, I'm not a fan of it. Well, I just want to say, because we do have a lot of new members who may not have been introduced to you, but Kyle has been on his own weight journey himself. He's also a contributor on Canada's The Morning Show. He also has this really incredible podcast called Feel Goodery, which is all about feeling good and his own show on Sirius XM radio called The Exhale. So you've made it a living to share with people how to really be healthier, not just physically and mentally. This is why I love you. Thank you. Yeah.

At the end of the day, I never like anyone who preaches and I don't like superiority. But I know what it's like to feel like crap and to have crippling self-doubt and to have my biology work against me. And I don't want anyone feeling that way. So I like just providing different information, talking to different actual. experts like yourself and then laying things out in a way where people can like take what they need and leave the rest. They don't have, you know, I'm not, I'm not, you do this, this will change your life. I'm not extreme. But yeah, that's what I try to do. And it's, it's been a fun kind of, I was going to say journey and I hate that word right now. It's been a fun journey and I'm,

you know, blessed. Why? Why do you hate that word? Because it's used too much now. It's typical to wellness. But it all depends on the day because we all, our perspective of life changes on a day-to-day basis. So some days I do like it because I'm, you know, but today it didn't feel exactly right. Yeah. Well, I'm, you know, I like to stay in my lane. And I love my little bubble here.

Like, it's just such a really wonderful bubble. And last night I was on the interweb, I call it. I was on social media and I saw this bodybuilder guy who I really like. He's kind of straight up. And he had this video, this woman who was dancing. And she's just like, she's overweight clearly, but not like obese by any means. And she's like, I just want to. to remind people that this is considered obese by BMI. And as we know, like, BMI, it's crap, right?

Like, it's absolutely crap. And here's this guy. And he's like, I hate to say it, but she's just unhealthy. And she's, and I'm like, okay, first of all, why are we commenting on this woman's body and shaming her for like celebrating herself? And we know you can be healthy and live in a larger body. What we see out there, because you're on social media. You can also follow Kyle over on It's Kyle be on Instagram and whatnot. Like it's so hard to, how do we find good people and good information online? Like it just, and how do we not get sucked into the vortex of it all? And, you know, that's not very wellness for us.

It's not wellness. And social media can be a lot. And I've, you know that explore feed when you get reels and it's just like a normal kind of reel. You're like, why am I seeing this? And there's something odd about it. So we all typically will go to the comments and see people. And it's not good for our brains.

our brains gravitate towards the extremes. And unfortunately, a lot of extreme things on social media have the biggest followings. So it's kind of like this little snowball. So I always say people who tend to have like modest followings and give balanced information and don't have those extreme commenters typically, those are the ones that are giving information. But we've talked about this before. Sometimes the really effective balanced take on things is not clickbaity. So things get lost with the algorithm.

So it's on us to really do the research, spend limited time on social media because it'll suck us in for hours on end and then find the people who you relate with. And then mute the people or unfollow the people you no longer connect with. And that's okay too. Yeah, I have a hard time like being really polarizing. And I mean, I probably am just by my like nature. People out there probably really love me or hate me and there's probably no in between. But when you can try to see the other side of something, it makes it very hard to just come out

and like everyone wants you to take a stance on something. but I think there is no one-sided. There's so many sides to the things. You did a segment the other day on kind of like the crazy wellness things. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you want me to hear some of them?

You know, here's the thing before you, I do want to hear, but here's the thing. Like there is some sort of, like there's a luxury in trying new things, right? Like if I, if I want to use one of those shaky, shaky boards to do a workout and it invigorates me to, get started again and I think it's fun. Like I think like there's no there's no harm in that.

I think there's harm in someone like saying it's going to help you burn all your fat. But like I just think there there is a bit of luxury in in being able to buy things or do things that maybe not do the things they're touted as. But there's there's something that's motivating me or giving me hope and I just want to say that. And I agree. I think like I always say like whatever someone's in is to feel better like sometimes when you're feeling like. crap for so long, you need the match. You need something to make you feel this is a little different just to give you enough spark to then do the other things. I always say like when you feel good, more good comes. And to get to that first step, that's why I don't like yucking anyone's yum,

because sometimes that'll be the thing that makes someone feels good, feel good. And then they'll end up maybe making better nutrition choices the next day because they're like, I felt a little better today because when we're starting from a deficit, it is very hard to do the little boring things that will actually move the needle forward. Sometimes we need that vibration plate. We need that, I don't know, vampire facial or salmon sperm facial, which is one of the things I talked about. But yeah, we need to think. I do have to admit, I bought some salmon sperm cream, the PDNR, whatever. And I don't know what it's doing. I definitely don't have it on today because I'm like tired and I had one and whatever. But you look lovely.

Thanks. But yeah, I've been using it. Like, I don't know. Skincare, I'm like, give me all this stuff. Like, I just, I'm going to do all the things. But tell me, so what are you like, that's why I want to talk to you about today. What are people talking about? Like, what's the current conversation with where we're at in wellness and weight loss and all those things? And then, yeah, I want to talk about the segment that you did. Well, I think people are a little overloaded and a little fatigue because I think social media engagement is a little down. we've spent a lot down because I think we're just overwhelmed and our nervous systems are fried. The good thing that we're talking about this year that is needed to talk about more is nervous system regulation

because we're in a time where we're all frying ourselves and that's why anxiety is higher. That's why I think depression is higher. If you've never dealt with anxiety and all of a sudden you're like, what is this feeling? Yeah. You know, a lot of us are in that thing. So a big topic is nervous system support and part of that is disconnect disconnecting. So that's a big aspect. I mean, peptides are obviously huge in the wellness world now.

And talk about an expensive thing. Like, they're lovely and there's lots of promise. But you go on these sites and they're like thousands of dollars for peptides, which you have to keep up. They're short-lived in the body. So peptides are something, which I also think is the new flashy thing because there's so many foundational stuff. Like for men, like get your testosterone levels checked before doing any peptides.

Like that is the foundation. So it's almost like we're, it's the new bandaid. That is trending. Yeah. So those are the two, I think, big things trending as well as tearing everyone down because you know what? Humans like to do that. The things I talked about on the morning show were just like the really crazy trends like

the salmon sperm facial urine therapy, which even my partner. I didn't think, I saw it in my algorithm a little bit because I, you know, wacky people, but my partner who follows very different stuff sent me a video being like, people are drinking their urine. Is this actually something viable? So we're talking about that. Don't do it. Buy an omega-3 and some vitamin D and some magnesium for crying out loud before you start drinking your pee. We talked about dry scooping, which is now like pretty much people know not to do it. It's ridiculous. They were dry scooping pre-workout powder to get a bigger, bigger hit. And people were saying it was working better.

And the problem is, like, I know maybe we have some mothers or grandmas in the audience. A lot of kids were doing this, a lot of like their sons and whatever, they were seeing it online. And what's actually happening when you dry scoop is your body just goes into a mild stress response and your heart rate goes up and people kind of misinterpret that. It's like, oh, it's working better. And people were ending up in the hospital. So that's a no. And then we also talked about scream clubs, which speaking of our nervous systems and what we're all going through with anxiety being higher,

scream clubs, have you heard of this? It's become more popular? No, I'm assuming as people just going into it. a room in screaming or something. Yeah, close, but it's also community, which I like. So it's basically people communing in a large, near a large group of water, body of water, and then writing down something they want to let go of on biodegradable pieces of paper and then collectively screaming and throwing it into the water. And I think that's a great trend because I think a lot of us suppress a lot, we're hard in ourselves. So this is community and screaming. So that's the kind of

stuff that that's what we talked about yesterday. So just the, just the wild stuff. Good divvets in there. I don't want to yuck your yum. I'm still, I'm still stuck on. I love that. That's all it. I love that you mentioned the biodegradable paper because you had to, you had to say that. Yeah, you know, I've been sort of sitting with grief for a bit. So like the other day was the three years since the kid's dad passed. And, you know, in sharing with so much of our community, they're sharing like the grief that they're dealing with. And we just, it's like, you know, someone passes, you have the funeral, you carry on. And you don't want to burden anyone. with the grief because everyone has their own. And it's like this weight that everyone is caring. And it could be grief of the person you thought you were going to be, the relationship you were in, like the job that you had.

It doesn't have to be grief of someone passing, but we're all carrying this insane amount of grief. And there's no outlet for it because no one's really talking about it. Like, you know, to the extent that someone would need that's like, like it's not just a conversation with your therapist. Like you need to get it out. So I love this concept.

We're all, hey, everyone, we're going to meet out of lake and we're going to like, I don't know, shout into the lake and I'll buy some biodegradable paper on Amazon. You know, so you don't get canceled. So you don't get canceled. Yeah. Just in case. But I'm really sorry for that, you know, because just on a personal level, I'm very sorry. And a lot of people deal with grief. And it's, we all carry around so much heavy stuff, whether it's grief or shame or or anxiety.

We just carry the stuff around. And when you don't acknowledge it, it just takes hold faster. And I think even though we are talking about like mental health more than ever before, I think grief in particular is something a lot of people still. Because grief, when someone's grieving, other people don't know what to do with that. So you feel like you shouldn't burden them with it. You shouldn't share. And beyond, I actually had Ianel van Zand on the exhale.

Do you remember Yonela fixed my life? Yeah, of course. She was so lovely, but it was all about grief because she lost, you know, she lost her daughter. And she was like, there's no timeline on grief, right? But we act as if there should be. And there's like an unspoken thing where it's like, are you still, you're still upset about that? And it's like, no, it's an ongoing thing. And when we, we just cry every day.

It's fine. Yeah. Like the trick with all these messy emotions and what I try to get out with my show is like, we just have to feel them. Yeah. As soon as we feel them. And it comes in waves. grief might show up four years later all of a sudden a day.

And the trick, you know, according to certain people, is just allowing yourself to actually feel it instead of trying to brush it away. When we embrace how we're feeling, even if we're stressed out or anxious, if we acknowledge things in the moment, it takes its weight off a little bit. There's that phrase, what is it? I'm going to mess it up. Anytime you, like, there's this phrase, I will screw it up. What resists persists, right?

If you're feeling a certain way or anxiety and you're not, acknowledging it. And you're just like, no, I'm not going to deal with it today. It'll push back at you. And then it can seep into other areas of your life where it's like, I didn't get that done. I'm procrastinating. You know, I, you know, emotionally like ate too much, which is something, you know, I have experienced with as well. And it's all maybe because you're, you didn't acknowledge that when it said, can you see me right now? Can you please just acknowledge me and give me a hug? And then we can move forward together because we're all we are all just little kids grown up and no one knows what they're doing or how to navigate sometimes and I think if we just showed and we hear about the

inner child and shadow work and all that stuff in the wellness again it can be taken to extreme and kind of spoil it for everyone yes we do have a little one of us inside of us and I think the more we sit with it and acknowledge it and hug it and allow it to cry and cradle it and support it I think the better we will be. And of course, some of us have things like trauma. And I want to acknowledge that, like work with a professional, obviously. But I think the more we acknowledge that little kid in us with whatever we're going through, that I don't know, I think it'll get us there faster.

Well, I always say, like, when was the first time you felt that feeling when I work when I'm on with clients, right? Like, when was the first time you felt shame in your body, you thought you were overweight or there was something wrong with you? And it always goes back to a childhood. Like, we're trying to revert back to childhood. And like, you know, which people do and the people who, have spoiled it by making it seem really woo-hoo.

But it's like, no, like it's like, it's kind of like when you have something traumatic happens to you at a certain time of year, like you, it could be the following year. You don't need a calendar to tell you that it happened. Yeah. Like on that date. Like you can feel it coming. Like you're like, what is going on? Oh, yeah, right?

And so I do believe that things that cause a stress and are traumatic or when you're young, it doesn't have to be something really traumatic. It's how you interpreted the situation. Oh, yeah. It seemed very traumatic to you. And you kind of hold that inside. And it kind of, it's like, that's the lens you're seeing life through, you know, which, yeah, it's, how do you, how do you, like, so you said something that there's a couple

things I'm piecing together because this season, right? I just talked about this last night. Like there's this, this season of spring summer. There's this season of your life. What you're saying right now, like people are not. on social media, right? Like they're getting outside. They're connecting with people. Like that's that ebb and flow of life. And when you're trying to reach a goal that static, like I'm trying to reach, lose this much weight and whatever, we tend to show up the same way

every day. And we're not really able to adapt to life and see the trends. I can see the trends and patterns. You can see the trends and patterns. How do other people recognize the trend or the pattern? You mean like within themselves of what's going on in pattern recognition? Because when you're not going to flow, you can feel like there's something wrong. Yeah. Like when you're not, yeah, I feel like, I always say we're, we live in a world where it is more easy than ever to be disconnected. Yeah. Because like, and from ourselves. And I know this gets woo-woo, but I think the first step in becoming more aware of what's going on and your patterns is getting still with yourself more often and silence. And I know that we have been told to breathe and meditate a million

times on Instagram and I get it. But I think the only way we become more aware is allowing ourselves to stop for a moment, disconnect and just go inwards, even if that's just a few breaths to start you off because I personally notice I'm aware of all the little things more when I'm a little bit more regulated. Like meditation and nervous system regulation is I think the foundation, not fist, sorry. Like, I don't know. So like it's a foundational place to start because from there, you can become more aware of your little quirks and your patterns, be able to go with the flow, but also be able to regulate between the two.

When we're always in fight or flight, when we're stressed out, when our nervous systems are always taking things in because we're looking at social media on an off time. We watch TV before bed. There's no chance to get to that regulated state. And stress is not a bad thing. Fighter flight's not a bad thing.

The thing that we have trouble with now is being able to regulate that and going between fighter flight or rest and digest, right? A lot of us just stay stuck in that fighter flight. So when it comes to seeing your quirks, seeing what's going on, being aware, kind of like, I always like the thing of like stopping time and just checking in on what's going on. I think that's the way forward. But it's very hard at first because we're at a practice. It feels uncomfortable.

It feels uncomfortable. And you can feel, you know what's, I think what's uncomfortable about it? And because we do the same thing with the four sets of mindful eating because people can relate, right? It's taking a pause, a pause also the new wellness world. Taking an actual pause and just connecting with your body. Like you can't think your portion. You have to connect with your body. But when you try to connect and same thing.

When my life is like chaos, I'm like just ground yourself, honey. Like take a minute. Get back in your body. Be where you're at. And like you know what you need to do. You just need to take the time to actually like see it and know what's going on. It's so uncomfortable. because you can feel the nothingness, which is the disconnect.

And then it feels like you're doing nothing. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah. And we don't, and it feels uncertain. Yes. And it feels. And we, we as a collective, like we, our actual, I had this guy named Simone Stolesoff off off.

Simone Stoles off on. And he has a new book called How to Not Know. And in his research, he's a journalist, our ability to tolerate uncertainty. and to tolerate discomfort has shrunk in recent years at a time when it's more uncertain than never before. So we're out of practice in being uncomfortable. But I think getting that muscle. And if you don't like breathing, if you don't like meditating, find your way in.

Like we said in the beginning, maybe that's just touching. Maybe that's just shutting the world out with a face palm or smelling something. Like sense training can be something where you're engaging something, but you're also shutting the world out, I think it's the only way we move forward. And it has such a ripple effect and everything else. Because when you ground yourself more often, when you do that nervous system support, even if you want to roll your eyes at it, when you do that, your hormones, because you start calming yourself faster, you're able to regulate. You create space between you and your life and your stressor. And when it comes to stress and anxiety, increasing that space between

your little light inside of you and whatever the world has thrown at you. is going to throw at you, that's the key to how we perceive our life. So anything we can do to increase that space between you and the world, whether that's meditation, you do that through supporting your biology as well, through food like you're learning in this program. But really being still in whatever way that works for you really is the first step because then everything else falls easier into place. Well, I mean, we just had this conversation with Dr. Alinketray in regards to hormones or your set point. Your body learns to function in a certain way. And this is like constantly in a state of stress.

And you're right. Stress is not bad. It's our inability to calm down from the stress. And then, you know, these are techniques that help you do that. And whether it's like whatever kind of breathing you choose is just taking a moment to like deep breathe. I love that the hand on the heart that you've shared with us before. This one is a big one. Like as soon as you do this, I feel like a little child and I just want to curl up and be like.

Just a little pressure. Me as well. You just if you do this and breathe in and out. it really for me like i know like if you make up on it's not great but um it really calms you down and that and also like just rubbing your hands together yeah and being aware of what your right hand feels rubbing your left like you are the right hand and then your left hand what does it feel like to be rubbed and to rub and just that can signal can signal like safety like you're not you have time to really be present so you're not running from a tiger you're not doing

Like, oh, my body can calm down. Like, even that minimal stuff, if you, like, microdose that throughout your day, it really, but, you know, it really can make a difference. Yeah, you are safe and you are loved is becoming a mantra in our house and you can feel anxiety rising in my children about certain things. And you just give them a big hug and just hold them until they're ready to let go. And you say that.

And it just, you can, you can literally feel them melt in your arms. so my husband actually just started doing it to me. And I'm just like, oh, yeah, okay. It sounds ridiculous, but like I say it to them even as they drive away and they pull out the car. I'm like, hey, you are safe and you are loved. And you can just see their bodies are now reacting to being in the moment. And so this is not just a when you're stressed or when you're full of anxiety. Which you know what?

This is what I love that you are. Our first conversation was the anxiety one, which is just like, whosh. Yeah. To me. Anxiety is my oldest friend, but I will say just with that, with the I am safe, just, I'm just going to share it super corny. And sometimes, like, if you listen to Feel Goodery, they're kind of like just between me and the listener, but I call it a cornflake. Like I'm about to say something really, really corny. Yeah.

But it's what I'm doing because I, speaking of like that inner child work, like, so because sometimes after my meditation, because I'll do, I didn't like meditating. I didn't like meditating. And I, like, anxiety has been my oldest friend forever. But it really has made a difference in my life. and I've done it for years now, but what I'm doing now is imagining like super cornflake. But my little Kyle, little Kyle sitting on a bench and myself goes to sit with him. And I say, like before we start our day, you're safe. Like you're allowed to be angry and you're allowed to be upset right now.

We can sit and I give him a hug. Yes. But you're safe. And everything will be okay. You know, and that it's just an intention for the day ahead. Well, that goes that goes along with that, you know, like when was the first time you felt that feeling, right? Like visualize how old were you? Right?

You're probably a little child when you first felt shame or guilt or something like that. And, you know, if you could visualize yourself standing in front of that child, what would you say to them? Yeah. You know, like, and the best thing you can do is give them a big hug and be like, you're loved and you're safe. Like, and then you can almost feel them grow up in the moment, right? Like it's like, come to kind of where you're at. This whole conversation sounds a little corny. but I'm here for it.

This is thing, and I do want to acknowledge, like, you have to be like at a certain frame of mind. Your biology has to be feeling like decent, good in your body to like hear this, like hear like that and a lot of people aren't there, which is absolutely fine. So what I say is like your way in. If it's, you don't have to think about the kid. You don't have to think about the love around you.

You don't have to think of the space between you and the stressor. Just make your exhales longer than your inhales. Yeah. You don't have to do a meditation just to breathe in and make your exhales longer. That is supporting. It's not woo-woo. It's just supporting your biology. It's activating your parasympathetic nervous system.

That is all you have to do. Make your exhales longer than your inhales. And eventually you do that long enough. It might open a little part of you that is like, I'm willing to do a little bit more today. And I'll maybe imagine, but like we have to acknowledge where we're at and not the wellness world will have you think you have to do a thousand different things.

Yes. Human or the thing going around now, if you made, if you make the choices you're avoiding, you'll be better or something like that, which there's truth to it, but there's a lot of pressure to like, you're not where you should be. You should do all these things to be the best version of you. And look maxing is a whole thing we didn't get into, but that's a whole other thing. We're just being thrown everything that we're not good as we are. And the truth is, we're exactly where we're meant to be in this moment.

We're totally perfect. your life is as it needs to be for you, what you need right now, and then move forward. But this judgment that is just being thrown at us day in and day out, it's not good for us. We just have to hold on to ourselves, shut the world out a little bit more. And I think we'll feel better faster. Do you always find yourself apologizing for not trying to be woohoo-y? Like I believe in this stuff so much. But then because people have been like, oh, you sit, you know, you sit and meditate and you can lose 50 pounds.

It's like, you know what I mean? And take this supplement along with it. And there is so much like grounding myself and visualizing and harmonizing my day, something I do before I get out of bed. Like I close my eyes. I think about my day and how it's going to go, not in detail. I set the tone. It's going to be a fun day, productive day, calm day.

Like, what do I need today? And days I don't do it, it's chaos. And I'm actually a Riki master from way back in the day. I don't know that. Talk about the Woohoo Queen. Just zero hundred. Great. No, I love Ricky.

That's great. I'm a woo-hoo queen, but there's so much truth in it. And there's, but then people take it, people do take it to extreme. So I'm always trying to not be woo-hoo-y. And like, so like that's, like I'm always trying to describe the benefits without being woo-hoo-y, which is just, you know, people out there don't care. They just say whatever they want. Here we are coming at you with truths.

And we're all like trying to tread lightly. Just the case, like look at how many times I set up the cornflake like 14 times. Like just this might have like, and that. comes from me just being afraid of offending people in my minor child that still isn't healed yet. Like I'm getting better at just saying my opinion, but I'm always aware of like who could take this the wrong way, who could think I'm trying to sell stink oil, who could think like I'm so aware. Like even with like a lot of this wellness stuff that we make fun of, even like with supplements and a lot of stuff that people are like, oh, it's a supplement, you know, oh my gosh. But the truth is,

I take a lot of supplements because I've done some education. I feel. I believe in them. I believe in them. That's it. Um, and, you know, it's doing what's right for you and that, that is it. But it's a very tricky thing to navigate. At the end of the day, if you take the cliches and the judgment and just the core of what wellness that kind of started as, like, just if you want to feel a little bit better, not optimizing your human life at the cost of like what it is to live a human life and enjoy things. And, you know, have nights with no sleep occasionally because you're laughing with your friends. There is a time and a place for everything. And the goal for all of us is to find what toolkit and what our own boundaries work

within our life so that we have the best life possible and get to enjoy all the little pieces. Like there is a time to support your biology and scale things back a bit and be a little bit more strict with yourself until you feel a little good. And then let things lose. You know, we all ebb and flow and the, yeah, it's it's finding our own way. And that's difficult, but worth it. there's so much context missing out there, right? So much context. I just want to say to you,

I want to ask you who your favorite guest is on your radio show, but before I get to that, and people are sharing the link to your radio show in the comments. But I just, I want to say to you that the pressure of business for me had me trying to be everything for everybody and being very mindful of what I said. And I used to just be a straight shooter from the heart.

I think, I believe you can say anything when you say it with love. So I just want to say to you, be mindful of trying to manage everyone's interpretation of what you say because I got very lost. I became, I used to love sitting in front of people and sharing my knowledge and having these conversations. And then I just, I just was constantly editing myself for the sake of everybody else. And it, it weighs on you and you get lost. So don't do that. Because what we love is you just authentically saying the things that you say. I appreciate that. And you have been a cheerleader for me and we've talked about this before. So it's, it gets a little better each time. I will say that.

Like, you know, and just in terms of like, we're work in progress. Like sometimes we'll have a little relapses. We're like, oh, I cared too much about what people think. But, yeah, I appreciate that. Okay. Before we go, your hands-down, favoritist guest. There's this girl called Gina Libby, who came on the show in January. And she brings out my best self. And, uh, I, I don't swear on the show, so I had to bleep out a lot of the stuff we said. But, yeah, I would say, Gina. I didn't talk without swearing, you know? I know.

And you did. You did. I'm just joking. But like, you totally, yeah, I said before, like, which I never understand, like, just, Sirius is a big network. And they're like, yeah, we don't like swearing. I'm like, you know Howard Stern is on Sirius XM, right? Like, you know, Andy Cohen, you know, but no, it's the Canadian niceness.

No, there's been, like, I've been blessed to have a lot of, like, Gina Libby. I recently talked with Mary Walsh. which from this hour has 22 minutes and she was really honest about her not liking herself growing up and her never celebrating her success. But there's been lots of great. Like Gabby Bernstein and Jane Arden's been, and it's, I've been everyone,

everyone is lovely in their own way and it makes me a little bit, like I steal something from them each time. So I've stolen a lot from you over the years just in terms of making you feel better. And we share it together, but. Well, I'm jealous of your guests. Oh my God.

Every time you post it, I'm like, What? It's a fun place to hang out. It's just to shoot that it's to talk about the messiness of adulthood. And I try to get every, like all the messy stuff, the grief, the thing, I try to just talk about that stuff. And then leave feeling like with a little bit of knowledge and a little bit of gumption because that's what. I'm a fan of gumption at the end of the day. Yeah.

And you're going to leave feeling good. Whether you listen to The Exhale with Kyle Buchanan on Sirius XM Radio, channel 167 on Sundays at 4 p.m. or you check out his podcast, feel goodery, or you happen to catch him on Global's The Morning Show. Or you can follow him on. It's Kyle B at Instagram. Is that the same?

Like, are you on Facebook and YouTube? Yeah, I'm on Facebook. Not YouTube yet. And Instagram's the main one. But there's too many outlets, everyone. Yeah, you don't touch TikTok, eh? No, TikTok for you? TikTok, you know?

What? Are you on TikTok or no? I haven't been active. I need, no. I'll say no. Yeah, yeah. No, it's a cesspool of like, I don't even, I need to put on my suit of armor. Can you pull up Kyle's website again?

Sorry, Drew. You can also go to his website called Buchanan.com. I don't want this conversation to end. I'm always still grateful when you come on. You're like a whole light. Oh, like vice versa. This is therapy for me. And I will say, like, the community that is, you know, the Libby community,

liby losers. Like, it really is, this is a lovely place. A lot of people who have found my podcast are because of you. And it's just the most warm community ever. So I'm just, yeah, you, it's so easy to feel alone these days. And we're not alone. And this helps with that. So keep up the good work.

Yeah. Okay, maybe we should meet one day and like go for coffee. Oh my God. That would be great. Right? In the city, yeah. All right. Thanks, Cal.

Thanks for joining. Thanks for everyone who joined us live. I see your comments. And anyone who's listening after the fact, have a fantastic day. Everyone will see you next time. Thanks, Kyle. Love you. Love you, too.