The Livy Method Podcast - The Conversation You Keep Avoiding With Your Aging Parents

Episode Date: July 22, 2026

What if the hardest job of midlife isn't the one you planned for? This week, Gina is joined in The Summer Club by Teri Hart, host of the caregiving podcast The Heart of It All. After walking her own dad through vascular dementia and helping her mom navigate widowhood, Teri turned 30 years of broadcasting experience into a resource for the rest of us. She and Gina get real about the conversations we avoid (wills, power of attorney, and the two bank accounts you didn't know your dad had), why boundaries make you a better caregiver, and how to build your own village before you're in crisis. They dig into caregiver guilt and the grief that starts before anyone's gone.Where to Find Teri:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/teriharthttps://www.instagram.com/thehartofitallpod/Podcast: The Hart Of It AllWebsite: thehartofitall.comThis podcast aligns with Day one of our Summer Club, members can find video in our Livy Method app or Summer Club Community Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodspring2026 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm going to be honest with you, this podcast is unapologetically a hot mess because that is what midlife feels like sometimes. Why, though? And how do we make it better? Do we all just need facelifts and JLP ones? I mean, let's talk about it. No bullshit, no wellness wangery here because we're trying to make real change and change is hard. But we're in this together. Welcome to the Livy Method podcast. Hey there, before we get into our conversation today and no doubt it's going to be great, I want to remind you. I want to remind you. you that we have the most amazing weight loss program and maintenance program on the market. And our next live session for the fall is on sale right now. But if you don't want to wait until the fall, you can sign up today by joining our membership. For more information, go to libymethit.com. It's going to be a super fun conversation today. My guest, Terry Hart, is not here. I don't know

where she is. I'm sure she'll be back in a minute. Maybe she's just grabbing a coffee, but she is one of Canada's most sought after media personalities. She's been in the business for over 30 years. She's been an interviewer, a critic, a producer. My goodness. We're going to talk to her about her amazing career, but more so. She is now hosting a podcast called Heart of It All, which is all about taking care of your aging parent. She has a ton of resources on there and guest experts. I also know that she is on her own health and wellness journey. Hi. Hi. Hi. Oh, did you stop know me? I thought that was live. So live, it's counting down or up. I'm so confused, Gina. Oh, it's all good. This is how we roll. So we roll. I was like, oh my God,

you're going to go and get your coffee. I'm going to go fill up my tea. But you know, I am prepared. I am not doing a Gene Onlyvy podcast without like a vat of water. This is how I come prepared to talk to you, my friend. Well, I've got my, I've got my coffee. I've got my coffee in my nice little donut mug. So I'm ready. I'm outside because you're in our summer club and I don't know. I'm trying to switch up the the vibe a little bit, but I have to admit, I'm a little cold, I'm a little chilly. Yeah, you decide to do outside the morning, it's like 15 degrees in Toronto. It's been the hottest summer, I think, on record. And all of a sudden, you're like, I'm going to be outside.

And the weather's like, yeah, that's what's going to happen. We're going to make a 15 degrees for you outside. Can we, how do you have some, you just finished going on, uh, I would say vacation, but I know it was not relaxing because you've been traveling with your family. How do you have, so you, you, I went to the UK. How do you, how do you, right? How do you, how do you, how do you, how do you have energy today? Oh, because, listen, this is what I tell people all the time. If I could hold on to the UK jet leg, I would be the most successful person in the world because you're five hours out. So last night at like nine o'clock, I was dead. Like I'm like, night, night. And at five o'clock in the morning, I'm like ready to go. If I could hold onto that jet leg, life's good. The problem. The problem. means I'm going to slip back into Toronto time. And then, you know, I'll be looking at 1130 midnight and being like, should I stay up to do Wordle? I don't know. Do you do Wordle? Oh my gosh. Gina, do you not? No, I tell. Oh, my, okay, so two things. A, I do Wordle and I share it with two groups.

My family group, that includes my mom, my husband, my brother, my sister-in-law who live in the UK, my three nephews. Did I say my aunt who's in Hamilton? Anyway, great group. And I share it with a group of girlfriends who there's five of us. And what we do is each week, one of us gets to choose the starting word. So each week, my starting, no, you don't do word or so you're like, I don't really know what you're talking about, Terry Hart. But anyway, trust me, it's really fun. And listen, my mom's downstairs right now. She's heading home today. But I will tell you, it's a great way to keep daily tabs on my mom. Because if she doesn't post her wordal score by like 930 or something,

then I'm going to do a little call. But when she does post a world score, I'm like, everything's fine, everything's dandy. She doesn't need me up in her grill. So if you have aging parents or somebody that you're kind of keeping an eye on or caregiving for, the daily wordal sharing is a really great way to do it without kind of being in invasive at all. Right. Yeah, like how are you doing? Are you okay now? Did you do this? Did you do that? Like, she doesn't need me doing that. She doesn't want me doing that, you know? So this is, this is great. Sorry, I've got like sun coming in. So my lighting is changing every two seconds. I also love how you're

moving around. So you're like at a standout. You're standing up. Do you work at a standup desk? I have a walking pad that I have here. This is a movable desk. So it goes up and down. But I find that when I'm doing podcasts, like when I'm a guest on a podcast, when I do commotion on CBC, which I do a lot. Standing up just kind of helps with energy. Yeah. And I feel a little bit more like, you know, mobile and I can move around. I justiculate a lot, obviously. So I like the option of standing up or sitting down. And, and yeah, it works. I got this at Costco years ago. And it's been a great, great buy. Oh, I have a stand-of desk. I've yet to use it. It's same. It goes up and down, but I'm still at my seated desk.

And anyway, I digress. This is why I wanted to have you on, because I know you have your podcast hard of it all. And a lot of our members are in that space where maybe they're still, you know, taking care of their younger adult children, but then they're starting to think about their parents. They're noticing signs of aging.

Some are like really right in it. And they're having a hard time trying to find time for themselves. And you and I have chatted. And you are on your own health and wellness mission and going through menopause and all the things. I want to talk to you about why you started your podcast and share some tips for our members, but also really focus on how you find time for yourself and the struggle that that's been, if you have any tips or anything to share with us when it comes to that.

So why the podcast? I mean, you're a busy girl. You didn't need to start a podcast. Like, what was the passion behind the heart of it all? It really is one of those stories of lived experience led me here. My dad got sick. He had a couple of strokes. so he had some vascular dementia.

I didn't know what that was. When we first went to the neurologist and they said dementia, I'm like, he doesn't have dementia. He's had a couple strokes. And they're like, no, that's vascular dementia. So that's how little I actually knew about any kind of dementia, let alone anything to do with caregiving. My mom is a retired nurse.

So we've got a medical professional in the family. And so this was like the end of 2023. And then for about 10 months, I was kind of second on deck for my mom in terms of caregiving for my dad. There was an opportunity for her to go on a cruise with her girlfriends for three weeks. I was like, you go. I got this. So I was very hands on deck.

And I was just amazed, Gina, at how hard it was. Like, how opaque the information was, how, like, I couldn't just simply find things. And again, I had so many privileges. I had the opportunity of flexible schedule. My mom, as I said, is a retired nurse. I, you know, have a great relationship with my parents, which goes a long way when you step into kind of shifting what the dynamic is. We're really lucky there.

And it was so really hard. And then he died August 1st of 2024, coming up to the two-year anniversary, actually, of his death. And I just got really mad at what my mom then was being asked to do as a senior citizen, as somebody who had just lost her spouse of 50. years and how much I had to come in and kind of help her with the technical stuff, the digital stuff, the, you know, sending in forms and this. And I just thought to myself, not everybody has a Terry. What are people doing who don't have a Terry? And I just got like so frustrated with it all. And I sat down to write a strongly worded email or a strongly worded op-ed. And then I was like,

wait a minute, I've been a broadcaster for like 30 years. I've talked to every celebrity on the face of the planet. Everybody says you should start a podcast. So I thought I'll start a podcast about caregiving and the heart of it all was born. So we started at the beginning of October of 2025. So we're first season's almost done. I can't believe it. Thank you.

And it's been a really, really spectacular experience for me to just be able to learn more about the space, really understand. You know, maybe you can relate to this. Maybe you can relate to this when you started, you know, the club, the program, just how much people need and are desperate for information. Are you surprised by that? It's not, there's so much information. It's the right information and information you can trust.

And now there's a whole other layer with AI. You don't know what's real. Like you said, like I have a, I have a Tony, right? Everyone needs a Terry or a Tony. And honestly, like, there's so much involved. And I think people need to be, it's not that people aren't smart and can't figure it out, but they don't know where to start. That's the thing.

They don't know where to start. And, you know, not dissimilar to, you know, weight loss or not to them. You find yourself in a crisis, right? find yourself in a position of like, holy crap, how did I get here? Whether it be with a parent or somebody you know, somebody who you find yourself responsible for in a care given way, how did I get myself here? Or in terms of our own health and wellness, how did I get myself here and how do I backtrack? So one of the things on the podcast that we talk about, and I think it's one of the things

that you and I are kind of like-minded about, is talking about things so that people can be prepared. Like, this is not going to, this is going to affect everyone at some point in their lives. Nobody wants to think about it. I get it. But I'm telling you, if you start to think about it and you start putting some, you know, I think the kids say breadcrumbs these days, but if you start putting some things in motion, if you start having conversations with, you know, the people in your life who you might end up being in a caregiving space with, caregiving for, you are going to make your life a lot easier.

You know, I love the whole, like, how the conversations, right? Like, I, you know, my mom obviously is getting older. She can kick my ass right now. And I'm kind of making sure she's doing the things she needs to do. She's working out. She's taking her supplement. She's trying to eat healthy. but more than that, she has an amazing, amazing group of friends.

She's very social. She lives in this small town. It's like its own blue zone. And, you know, the cousins, we all joke that we're just going to put all of the sisters and a house together. There's like, there's a like an extended care down the street. I would have my mom move in with me, but I know she'd be like, oh, yeah, no way. I'm not doing that.

I'm not doing that. So my hope is she's going to be active and she's going to be amazing, but that might not be the reality, right? And being, there might be something to say with being prepared. So whenever I talk about my mom getting older, it's more jokes than it is actual real. I don't want to have that conversation with her, Terry. I don't. And that's totally cool. You can approach the conversation with the dynamic that you have with the person. Like you can say, hey mom, like, do you have, like, is your will and is your power of attorney for personal care and power of attorney for property? Is that all up to date and find your joking way to say that.

Like, do you know where those documents are? Do you know those things? Do you know how many of that? Like, I remember, I'll tell you a story. So when my dad got sick, there was some challenges and he, I had to jump in and help with some organization of their finances. And this happens a lot. It happens a lot.

It happens more often than anybody is talking. about. And I said, oh, so, Dad, what your password for your online banking? He said, which one? And I said, pardon me what? He said, well, which one? My dad had two bank accounts that he was operating completely actively and completely in his philosophy. And it's a big thing with boomers, with people of that age, that they didn't want to put all their eggs in one basket. What if the bank goes under kind of thing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I, and again, I thought I knew what was going on with my parents in all of that way. I had no idea he had two bank accounts. And so that is, that's an example of somebody who thought I knew all be everything and I didn't.

And so having conversations of just kind of, you know, knowing where things are, knowing what bank accounts are active, knowing, you know, like, do they have extended insurance? do they have if they if they have to go to the hospital do they have extended insurance where are those documents you know do you know and our very first episode of the podcast was um with a family therapist at alison shafer about how to start the conversation. Oh yeah. These are not conversations that are one and done. Yes. These are and it's something that you talk about and frankly you taught me to incorporate this is

that this is about a choice of lifestyle ongoing. And right, right? So the lifestyle that I'm being a big proponent of on the heart of it all is a lifestyle of openness, a lifestyle of conversation. And it doesn't mean every time you get together with your person, you have to have these big, heavy conversations. Nobody wants that. I'm not suggesting that. But you can, you know, once a year, touch base about a couple of things. And there are, we did an episode with Rob Carrick on, that I think it was seven tips that every person with an aging parent should know about their finances.

And it is, I love a checklist. And this is like seven things checklist. And you just go through, and then it's done. Then you don't have to worry about it. Yeah. I love that your podcast is, like really, there's not a lot of,

I've listened to your podcast enough to know there's not a lot of resources. is out there available. I know you want your podcast to be this extended resource for people. I mean, listen, my dad had MS and was pretty much bedwritten for four years of his life. I care for my 91-year-old mom, right? I live three minutes away.

I have siblings, but I'm the only daughter living here. I'm with her every day, sometimes three to four hours, right? Like, this, I love what you just said about, of course we want to take care of our parents. But it's not what we imagined, sure many of us that that was how we were going to be spending our time. We probably thought, I'm going to get my kids out. I'm going to work through my career. It's going to be me time. And so how do you embrace that, Terry, as a lifestyle? How do you not get so, how do you not drown

in the feelings around that and your life not being, their life not being what you thought it was going to be? Or your life not being what you thought it was going to be. This all sounds like a lot of work. It's ongoing. How do we adopt that as a healthy lifestyle. Boundaries. Absolutely boundaries. There is no, there's no way you are going to be able to be an excellent caregiver for somebody else if you are not taking care of yourself first. So what does that mean? You won't be able to be perfect at it, but you can say, okay, this is the amount of time that I'm going to give. I am going to, on Wednesdays and Fridays, I'm going to go and either have a dinner with or bring some food or prepare this and know what you

can and can't do. That's number one. Number two, create your own village. Ask people around if this person is living independently, do they have neighbors that can help with keeping an eye on things? Can you incorporate some technology that can help with some of this, whether it be, you know, medication reminders. Make sure you are reaching out to places like the Ontario Caregiver Organization for resources that they may have that you don't know about. If you are dealing with somebody who's living with an Alzheimer's,

living with a dementia, the Alzheimer's Society, wherever you are, wherever you are in this country, in your community, they are an incredible organization. They do incredible work. I cannot shout them out enough. So there are actual organizations.

And we also have the Canadian Center for Caregiving Excellence, Gina. These are organizations that have started very recently as we are finding that caregiving is becoming more and more commonplace in families. And because of our fracture in our health care system, we are relying more and more on unpaid caregivers for that in families. I would suggest make sure you are reaching out and creating your own village of support. It's a bit like put your own oxygen mask on first, but that speaks to like a one-time deal. This is making sure you have enough oxygen going forward, not just in a crisis, but all the time. So boundaries are important and reaching out to other people to also help. Caregiving is not something that only one person can expect of themselves.

It requires a village. You know, I love that you said like that for the long haul because sometimes in life something has to give. I mean, everyone in this group is trying to strive towards reaching some goal, right? Reaching their weight loss goals, trying to be healthier, maintain and sustain their weight, enjoy their summer. Like, just not gain weight through stressful periods of their lives. And sometimes something has to give and you cannot prioritize yourself. Like you just, you cannot. You have to, something has to give and it's you.

but when it's like ongoing, you know, that can be very, that can be very draining, not just physically and, you know, but more so mentally. How do you stay in a positive mind? Like, I don't know if it's a positive mindset because sometimes the situation is just crap. It's just shit. It's not going to get better. It's only going to get worse. How do you maintain that positive mindset to keep going for yourself? I think that you have to realize that your life matters. That your life exists outside of this situation. This is not 100% who you are. This is not 100% who you can be. There are other people relying on you. Firstly and foremostly, is that word, foremostly. It is now. You know, and so your caregiving when it comes into your life. And for a lot of people,

you said it, Gina, we do not expect this in our life. So when it happens, people are like, whoa, how did I get here? And I'm not ready for this. And I don't know how to do it. But all of the other aspects of your life don't go away. You're asked to kind of add this big responsibility into everything else. So give yourself the grace to realize that this is a whole new responsibility and sit down and realize what time you can give to it.

what has to go because you can't you can't just put in this whole new responsibility without something going away and how can you realize how can you do things in a crisis point like somebody's in the hospital or somebody's had a surgery versus an ongoing progressive situation which are very different caregiving experiences well and we have people experiencing both right whether i you know as someone mentioned yesterday they were taking care of their husband he was was getting heart surgery and like that. Like being a, I've been the caregiver, right? And I've no disrespect to the person who is lying in the bed,

but I've been the caregiver. And I remember going to the doctor afterwards. And my husband, my husband at the time was sick. And we went to a follow-up appointment. And I was like all concerned about him. And she looked at me and she's like, how are you doing? I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I'm fine. She's like, no, you are clearly not fine.

You look like shit. And she's like, I know how hard. it is to be the caregiver. I'm like, well, this isn't really about me. And she's like, well, this actually right now is about you, right? So it's like we want to be selfless. We want to be giving. There's a lot of, do you talk about guilt? Terey. Caregiver guilt is a huge, huge thing. Yeah. It's a thing. It's a thing. Because, you know, with caregiving comes a wide array of emotions. I mean, we want to think about it in some kind of, you know, Florence Nightingale way. It's not. You know, it's, it's hard. It's time. It's.

you're frustrated, you're angry. There's a wide range of emotions. A lot of those emotions we associate as being bad. There's no bad emotion. There's no bad emotion. Emotions are only information. And I learned that from Dr. Amy DePree, who we had on the podcast talking about sibling relationships. And she was really interesting about, you know, emotions are just information. They're just giving you information about something. And I loved that because I think we attach so many things like guilt around. And that's just an emotion. Like that's just a thing. It's going to go away. There's going to be more information that comes into you. So I think, you know, there's there's all, guilt is a big one. There's also, you know, the ongoing grief that people have even before somebody

has passed. Yeah. When you're living at caregiving. experience. I walk around, you know, and I, you know, when my dad was, was unwell and stuff, and I, I would think about how lucky I am, that I had all these privileges, that I had all this access. And I thought, if somebody removed one of those things from this experience for me, I would lose my mind. And I look around Gina and I think how many people are losing their minds because it's all so consuming. It's so hard. And the resources aren't there.

And one of the things that's really important is that people are actually identifying as caregivers so that our governments, so that our medical systems understand what this means for people. And let's be clear, it's majority women, right? It's majority of women doing the bulk of the caregiving in worldwide, globally. And so, you know, there's a person that we had on the pod who's suggested. that caregiving should be a diagnosis itself. So that doctor that you just talked about, that is some good doctoring. Because, you know, the fact is when you are a caregiver,

you're not getting proper sleep. You talk about how important sleep is all the time. Yes. You know, you're not getting proper nutrition. You're worried about this person. You're doing, you know, so all of the things that make us function at our optimum are sacrificed in our. caregiving roles. So we need to start understanding that impact. And, you know, companies need to

understand it. They say in 2030, there are going to be more people who are caregivers in the workforce than parents. So what does that mean for our benefits? What does that mean if you have a full-time job and you have a benefit? I mean, companies are struggling with this because you have to take time off work for doctor's appointments. You have to take time off work. We have to start a for parents, we do not have infrastructure for caregivers. Yeah, and I just want to say out loud too, like, caregiving is a job. Like, people are trained in this area.

And it's like taking on an extra job on top of all the other jobs, which you're not really trained for. And it's, it can be required you to do medical things. Like, how do you all of a sudden know how to help somebody with a walker? that is safe. I didn't know how to do that. I was like Googling YouTube when my dad got a walker. What like what? That doesn't seem right. I was like this seems like it's more important that I should be taught how to do this. Like my dad's like this, you know. Yeah. Like not to mention what if you're doing toileting? What if you're doing, you know, any kind of heart monitor. What are you doing like all of the

things changing dressings. I sat in an event with a person who works at a hospital organization and I won't mention it because it's unnecessary, but they said, oh, it's so great. We're for outpatient programs. We're like teaching caregivers how to change trakes. And I'm like having a panic attack because I'm like, caregivers are terrified. They're terrified. They're going to make a mistake. And they might not want to do it. But because our health care is the way it is, there's a lot of yes or no, sir, three bags, full sir, because we don't want to be a problem. Because we know that when we need them, we want them to like us. So there's a real strange, complicated dynamic between unpaid caregivers and our professional

health care system right now. But, you know, there are people working on figuring out. Well, you know, and this is what I love about your podcast, the heart of it all, right? You're creating this amazing resource for people. Can we just talk about, you mentioned, like we talked about guilt. We talked about grief. There's a lot of fields that come up. like also just not wanting this to be your life.

You love your parents. Of course you're going to do anything for your loved ones. But then there is that piece of like, like, you don't want to do it. How do you reconcile those? Like, you don't want to do it. You're terrified to do it. You don't want to do it.

It's not what you signed up for. It's not what you thought your life was going to be. How do you reconcile those feelings and still have a life of your own? How do you still have a life of your own, Terry? I think that, again, you have to be really clear about what you can do and what you can't do and get your own resources. The doctors to your parent or loved one that you are caregiving for are their doctors. You need your own support system. You need your own family doctor. You need your own therapist. When you are in those appointments

with the person you're caring for, it's their appointment, not yours. So mentally you're in this headspace of like, I'm at the doctor all the time. I'm at the this all the time. But those are not your appointments. You need to take care of yourself. You need to ask people, your own people, what resources are out there? Do I qualify for PSW support? Can I, what is something that I could do maybe within my home structure that would make things easier? Is there some kind of retrofit that I could make in my home that could make things physically easier? Those kinds of questions. We have a great. episode with an occupational therapist about retrofitting your home because 96% of Canadians over the age of 65 say they want to age in place. Yes. What's anybody doing to make that happen?

Right? We gotta do things. Everybody and then we leave it. That's what they want, but there's no plan for that and there's no support for it. Okay. Fail the plan, fail the plan, plan, plan to fail. Isn't that what they say? This is a perfect example of that. So I love that. Anyone who is maybe not part of our community might be like, what are you your weight loss program? What are you doing talking about taking care of aging parents? This is about designing the life that you want to live. I like that. You talked about lifestyle. Like this is whether you like it or not or what you plan for a part of your life. And you are allowed to want to live your best life while taking care of being a caregiver.

You are allowed to want to feel calm and confident and feel good in your genes and still be a caregiver. We had, we had Kathleen Cameron on. She's like, she deals in manifesting. And it was all about kind of like learning to change your perspective on going to the gym or whatever you have to do in order to be healthy. There could be something to be said about changing our perspective on being a caregiver. What is the, what is like, how do we look at this from a, I hate to say the word positive, Terry, but is there a way to look at this in a positive way? The personal part, like the how you still show up in your life part. I think that the personal part is, and it's tainted with sadness.

Yes. But the fact is the person you're caring for is probably not going to be around forever. Nobody is going to be around forever. And if you can find the bandwidth. it. If you can dig deep inside of yourself to give that over to somebody, then you will be a better person for it.

You will definitely have moments of gratitude and thanks that you will never, ever experience without that kind of vulnerability that caregiving and the person who you're caring for requires. And I understand not everybody has perfect relationships with people and caregiving can be very emotionally complicated.

I really do understand that. I still honestly believe that that experience that you go through with somebody, we had Lisa Ray at on the podcast and her husband, she's a former member parliament, and her husband had early onset Alzheimer's, early onset dementia, just at 57. And I said to her, how did it change her? And she said, it made me a better person. It made me a more empathetic person. It made me a person who thought about other people in a different way.

And so I am not minimizing this and I'm not being Pollyanna about it. I am saying through some of the hardest things, we do become better versions of ourselves. And isn't it amazing when we discover what we are capable of, emotionally, physically, it is an amazing thing when we just stretch a little bit. And we stretch a little bit and we're stretching to give to somebody else. Oh, isn't that beautiful? Yeah. Doesn't it is. It's the ultimate in service, right?

It's the ultimate in service and you get back what you give and not that people, you know, are doing it at all for that reason. But, you know, understanding that this is the situation and yes, you're going to be a caregiver, but you cannot get lost in that. What's your advice for people who just feel like they're drowning in this? If at all you can, find where you can stop and reassess. what are the responsibilities that have come into your life now that you are a caregiver? What are the, you know, non-negotiables? What are something that you could look for help with? Who are the helpers in your life, in your family?

And reassess because, as I said, you know, you can get into this situation in a crisis or you can get into this situation where it is a progressive illness and things just build up. and all of a sudden you realize what was, you know, five hours a week is now 15 hours a week. Yeah. And I'm drowning. So because things added up. So you need to be kind of being aware and keeping track of what are the responsibilities? How much time are they taking?

Do we need to be doing all these things or just can something change? you know, we do need to reassess as things go along. Our members are absolutely loving this conversation. It's the conversation I didn't know I needed. Thanks, Terry, for sharing about seeing this as having an end. I felt so badly about talking about that. It's true, these experiences bring us to a better understanding of ourselves. Before we go, because people are focused on their health and wellness.

Have you noticed this affecting your health and wellness? Gina, the reason that I know you is because through this experience with my dad, you know, I think I gained 25 pounds, give or take here or there. You know, the fact is my mom and dad live about three. I live in Toronto. My parents live about three hours outside of Toronto. So I was driving back and forth. I was self-soothing.

I was, you know, the combination of all, my schedule was all off. The combination of all that combined with pari menopause. menopause, whatever I'm in, who even knows? I mean, God. I know menopause once you don't get your period, but I have an IUD, so who knows? Anyway, it's a disaster. I'm a disaster. But, you know, all of these, and that's the thing is this is often happening for people at these simultaneous crossroads, right? Yes. So it's a little bit, I used to say like it's so unfair that I have gray hair in my period at the same time when that was happening. God, if I could only go back to those days. Doesn't that seem like glory? So, you know, I think that, again, talking about these things helps not being alone, not feeling like you're alone and you're the only one in this. I think I'm a big believer in that. And so I would say, yeah, all of this is about life and stages of life and where we're at and how things can like all of a sudden you know pile up and and then you yourself are at a bit of a crisis. And you know, Gina, for everybody listening, you know, Gina has been incredibly instrumental

for me and how I'm looking at this stage of life and how I'm looking at my changes in my body and what's going on. And yeah, really, really game changer information from this one. Well, me. Well, listen, I'm always happy to help. And I think, we need to have more conversations about this. I just want to thank you for being so honest and sharing. I'm glad I asked that last question because I think so many women feel, they're feeling all the feels. And if they're not feeling them yet,

you know, they probably will be feeling the feels at some point in their lives. You can listen to Terry's podcast. Well, you can follow her on Instagram. What? Which? But what? Guys, okay, Drew,

you can follow her on Instagram at Terry Hart. Absolutely give her a follow. You can also listen to her podcast, The Heart of It All Pod. Oh, you have an Instagram account for your actual podcast. I do. Oh, cool. So the Heart of It All pod, if you want to follow that on Instagram as well. You can also go to the Heart of It All website, find more information and resources. Because one of the things that Terry shared with me about her podcast is you do want to create resources for people. So she has a ton of resources there. Terry, thank you. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. This has been really fun. Thank you. We need this. I hope it resonates with people. I hope people are seeing themselves in some of this and understanding like how lifestyle is like not just one thing. It's a bunch of things. And I think that is like really at the core of your program, right? It's all the decisions that we're making that lead to success. Absolutely. Absolutely. I absolutely adore you. Thank you for not just being here, but being real and showing with us today. Thanks everyone joining us live. We're watching. We're listening after the fact. We appreciate you. Bye. Thanks, Terry. Thanks, Gina.