The Livy Method Podcast - The Old You Is Leaving. The New You Isn't Here Yet.

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

Why does change feel hardest right after you've committed to it? Breathwork trainer and transformation coach Meg Pearson has guided thousands of people through major life changes. She joins Gina Livy to walk through her seven-stage pivot cycle: the niggle, the resistance, the leap, and "the void." They talk about why we cling to familiar habits even when they aren't serving us, and how to tell when to keep going."With every breath that we take, it's a new moment to start again."Where to Find MeghanInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/coachmegpearson/https://www.instagram.com/rebelsoul.media/Website: https://megpearson.com/Substack: https://www.megpearsonwrites.com/This podcast aligns with Day 16 of our Fall Program, members can find video in our Livy Method app or Livy Method Community Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodThere is still time to join the Fall Program and there are two ways to join you can purchase the Fall Session for $99, or become a member for $20/month for year-round support, access to every session, Livy AI, member perks and more. The program is meant to fit into your life, not make your life the program. So start when you’re ready, make it work for you, and visit livymethod.com to join us. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Meg Pearson, welcome to LiveLiter. Hi. Hello. Hello. Thank you for having me. I'm super excited to be here. Meg and I were just talking about what our intention for today is. And when I think about our community and the people listening, we're all trying to make change. And you've kind of made a career out of helping people navigate change, build trust in themselves, and create lives that feel true to who they are. I mean, where do we even fucking start with that? You know, it's true. It's because I thought you were going to say, you've made a life of making change and pivoting like a full-time job because I have done that as well. You haven't and you've owned that. So like, so in my world, people are trying to make change.

So they're trying to lose weight, yes, but they're also trying to do it in a way. They're making sustainable lifestyle changes. They want to be healthier physically. They want to be healthier mentally. A lot of who we are is based on habits and how we've learned to live our lives. So in order to make change, you have to change. But then when you notice the change, it's really uncomfortable. There's a lot of doubt and second guessing and imposter syndrome. And not only is change hard for ourselves, it's hard for other people too. So there's a lot going on. Yeah. Yeah. And this is why I'm writing a whole book on this topic. Thank you. Thank you. And I. And I. And I.

think, you know, and I'm not the only one because when I was researching titles for my book, I was kept coming up against people that were doing similar stuff because this is, as a human being, we're always evolving and we're always growing. And it's also still one of the scariest things for us to navigate because of, as you mentioned, the community that surrounds us, the impact that our changes and decisions will have, how it's going to change all of the community and energy that is, is around us when we change because that inevitably happens. But I do also feel like right now, especially in the world, this whole idea of the pivot is really, it's getting, it's in the conversation and it's in its top of mind for a lot of people.

I think the last six years since, you know, a certain thing called the pandemic has really a lot of people question what it is they're doing in their life and how they want to be living. And so I love that we're in this space. we're talking about the pivot and doing it from a place of, yes, sometimes we have to pivot because we're kind of forced into it. And I've had that happen in my life a lot where circumstances forced it. Yeah. But there's also the pivot that we're choosing, whether it's out of integrity, out of alignment, out of just sheer like, I want more joy in my life. And so there's so many different ways that we can approach this idea of change, whether it's health, professional, lifestyle,

whatever. Yeah, I think the pandemic for sure, but also this conversation around menopause has really, I think it's opened the door for conversation and for women to reflect on their lives, whether a woman is in post menopause reflecting back on her life and then that moment be like, okay, wait a minute, I wasn't crazy. You know, there was something going on with me at the time. And it's really given us this space. Like it's invited us all into the space to have this conversation, which I think beyond just physically what's going on in our body gave us an opportunity to reflect. Like where, who am I? What do I want? Like why, when we know we close our eyes and we can feel the change. Like we can all feel what we're going to feel like when we lose 20 pounds, 60 pounds, when we feel stronger.

When we feel calmer around food, we can feel it. So why is it so hard to make that change? We want to change. We're so stuck in who we are. It's a lot easier said than done. In your experience, why? Why is it so hard? Well, I talk about something called the pivot cycle in a lot of the work that I do. And it's a big part of the book that I'm writing.

And I feel like that moment is the resistance where we start to question like, if I do make this big change, whether it's weight loss or in a career or leave a relationship, right? All of it. what if I'm wrong? What if this is not the right choice? What if it's going to be too hard? What are people going to think? Because even, especially now, and I know you've talked about GLP-1s and stuff like that on the podcast, if I do lose the weight, are people going to assume that I'm on GLP-1s? Like there's all of this extra natter, natter, natter, natter in the mind if we're choosing to make changes. What if I regret this?

What if it's too hard? What if I fail? All of that. And then if we do move forward and commit, which I call, this is the stage four of the pivot cycle that I go that I talk about, which is the leap. This is where we actually say, you know what, I'm going to commit to making the change and I'm going to do it. And we usually romanticize it, right? We usually romanticize this phase of committed to. Yes, yes, yes. Let's stay stuck in this phase because this is where we are at. So people have signed up for the program to lose weight, 91 days to focus on themselves and make change. Right? People will need more than 91 days. It's just we broke it down in this chunk of time. So they've committed. They're committed. They're here. They're here.

or they are members who've been with us for a while and they're back. And here we are week one. And those fields are already popping up. So we've committed. Do we, do we like pat ourselves in the back for that first? Do we need to acknowledge, okay, we've committed. And then why is it so difficult so soon? Yeah.

It's so difficult so soon because the minute we take that leap, we enter the void. Ah. Ooh. We're in this. We're in the void. where what the fuck am I doing here exactly and people don't talk about it and this is where we start to recognize that our old identity is going to start to fall away oh okay and yet the new identity this new future version of us is not fully formed yet and we're comfortable with our old

identity and we're comfortable to us whether we're happy there or not that feels that we're come we know that version of ourselves. 100%. And I do a lot of nervous system work. I'm a breathwork facilitator. And now I'm a breathwork trainer. And that is such a huge part of it is we get so damn comfortable in our discomfort because it's our old friend. And I'll say, tell you this, we're talking about food. I was bulimic for 20 years. Yeah. And I at first, it was a beautiful tool for me because it protected me from like doing something worse. Like I had tried to commit suicide as a team. And my eating disorder was a powerful tool to keep me numbed enough to not do that. But then when I got into my 20s, I was a successful television director living an amazing

life as it seemed from the outside. But I held on to that dysfunctional relationship with food because it was protecting me. But to a point, anything that we're doing in that kind of protective mechanism as a coping mechanism, eventually the detriment outweighs the benefit. But I, I stayed with it for a lot longer than I need to because I was like, well, this is my comfort, even though it's killing me, literally, like literally killing me, you know? It's interesting. I was shooting a reel this morning, anticipating you coming on. Two things can be true at the same time. You can be very successful and still using like coping mechanisms that are, I'm going to say outdated for you, that don't necessarily match up to the outward version.

of you. Yeah. 150 percent. And what happens is most of the time we start to recognize that. We get like the little niggle like this isn't serving you anymore. Right? And what the crazy thing is is the niggle is back to stage two of the pivot cycle. Because you go back. That's why we, that's why, yeah, this is, I mean, one of the reasons, really the all of the reasons why people gave. and went back is because they basically fall back into old habits, not giving their body time to adjust, fall back into habit, situational change, something happens. They revert back to old coping mechanisms, not continuing to be mindful and uphold the changes that they make. So they go back into old habits. So it's back into that old cycle that's really comfortable for us.

Yeah. Yeah. And somehow along that, along the way to that, we forget what was the motivation in the first place. And we fall off of the vision and we fall away from the vision. How do you know you're making progress? Because there's no like, blah, you have arrived. Way to go. You may change. Like, we have the scale. But I'm talking about that internal change. Like, you've changed your career so many times. How do you know when you've arrived at this, this change that you've been after? Like, weight loss, great. It's on the scale. It's a number. but that we're talking about really feeling like you now own, you own this new version of you that you know you are meant to be and you've been working hard to change. How do you know when you have

arrived? Well, I think part of it is, especially if we're going to keep talking about the weight loss aspect of it, and I'm just going to digress for a moment and say I worked in the intuitive eating space for a long time in my road to recovery from my eating disorder and helping other women. And then I started pushing up against a lot of beliefs in that space because in that world, it's like, if you want to lose weight, that's a problem. Whereas I was like, no, no, no, it is not a problem. Yeah. Body, like body autonomy, we all get to choose what we want. My thing is always, but we have to also do the inner work alongside it or else the weight loss is never going to be enough, right? And I know that that's a big part of what you share. Like,

we have to be doing, we have to want it for the right reasons and we have to love ourselves, even if we do fall off. Well, this is why you're here, Meg, because we're in week too. We have a lot of great doctors who join us, a variety in different fields, obesity, medicine, specialists, psychologists, like we have all the doctors accessible to us. That's not what we need week two of the program. It's not, we do not know what to do. It is this part understanding really what it takes to make this change, not just eat less, exercise more and lose the weight, to truly change, to make that change.

So you talk about the, was it four steps of the pivot? So it's actually seven steps. Oh, geez. I know. Well, and this is, and it's not, this isn't like here you have to follow these steps. The way that I've created this process, it's just, it is what it is. Like I've kind of given a name to all of the, like the grief process, right?

I understand that's because it's just, it's ways in for people to learn about themselves. Because my program has like 12 weeks of like different things that we're focused on. So, so we're back to your seven steps. Yes. And what I was saying is that these aren't a seven-step process that I made up that you have to move through. This is a seven-step process where I've just labeled what naturally happens anyways as this happens. Just like the grief process. We don't choose to go through all of the stages of grief. That's just what happens. And we've named them. So this is what this is what this pivot process is about as well. So we can understand what happens and we can permission ourselves and it's validating so that we can say, okay, this all makes sense why it felt the way that it felt. So I'll tell you, the 7R, typically, number one, stage one, is success. It's where whatever version of success looks like for you on paper. For me, it was like I was a top television director in downtown Toronto.

On paper, everything looked amazing. I was living in a beautiful condo. Behind the scenes, I was an alcoholic, bulimic who hated myself. But on paper, and for sometimes life, when it comes to what we're talking about here with weight loss, maybe success means eating poorly, watching a lot of Netflix, but it's comfortable, right? Yeah, yeah. And then stage two is where we start to feel, we hear the niggle.

So there's that little part of us. It's like, okay, is this really serving our higher self? Is there more to life? Could I feel better? Would my quality of life improve if I change some of my habits? Is my career sucking the life out of me, right? So there's a little bit of a niggle. And we already know this.

Like we just don't take time to sit with it and be open to it. Exactly. Because, oh, my God, what else are we going to do? Well, and listen to this. Stage three is the resistance. That makes sense. Yeah. And we come up with all the excuses as to why not to listen to the niggle. So this is where the what people think. What if I fail? All of that comes in. Because you have these moments where you get it. And then the next minute is terrifying and the doubt and all of that. Right. Like even when you're all in and on board, it's like you feel like invincible because, oh, I'm doing this. I'm going to do this. I got this. I know I can do it. And then literally the next.

minute, you're second guessing and doubting yourself. Totally. Totally. So that that's the resistance. But then, as all of the women your community have and the way that I did when I decided to leave my career in TV and become a yoga teacher and raw vegan chef and sell everything and move to Costa Rica, we take the leap, which is stage four, which is the leap. And this is the one that can be incredible, but it's also one that we romanticize because it's usually really hard, especially when it comes to doing changing things with your lifestyle habits, with movement and food. It seems like, okay, here we are. We're doing it. We're meal planned. We got all the food prepped. But it's usually fucking messy. And it doesn't feel like who we are. It doesn't feel like who we are.

You feel like, oh, my God. And then you just feel worse because you mess it up and you have a bad day and a bad week and you just think, oh, all right. I haven't actually made any change. Like, this is hopeless. And I'm never. going to get there. Yeah. And what happens is sometimes people go back and they end up at stage one again, right? Or they stay with it. They allow for the messiness. They have an amazing cheerleading squad that is like your community and you in their pocket that's keeping them going. And then they find themselves in State Fodge, which is the void that I talked about. And this is where we are in this in between stage where we're like, okay, I've committed to this for two or three weeks, but I'm not seeing the evidence yet.

So I'm feeling like the old version of me is still kind of here, but not because I've moved away from her, you know, from an identity mental, emotional standpoint. But there's no physical evidence. So I'm not the new person, but I'm not the old person. So who am I? I'm in between worlds. And this is where identity gets really screwed up. Right? This is where I'm at right now in my life.

This is, and I'm so happy to be here. And I know it's the right move for me. But it is really terrifying. Like, really this is like going back and resolving issues and things. with myself and reflecting back on the last few years of my life. What do I really want moving forward? You know, it's, and I just want to say that because on the outside, people will be like, you're successful. You got all your shit together. You know, why do you want to make change? But because I can feel it in my soul. I can feel it. And something that you feel so deep,

yet on the, you just feel like it's so out of your grasp sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. And it feels, and it feels messy because we don't fully understand when we're in this. void space, all of the gifts that were of already receiving from the act of just being there. How do we record? So we talk about the messy middle in someone's weight journey, right? Very excited. And then at the end, oh my God, I look back. Wow, look what I did. I continue to show up. And I did that. But in the middle, it can be like you feel like you're getting nowhere. The thoughts and feels are overwhelming. To your point, right? The only way you're going to get there is by going through and not giving up and continuing to show up. How do we, how do we, how do we,

how do we recognize when we're on the right path and we have to keep going versus I really should give up on this? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's easier said than done, but trusting that there was a reason why he got on this path in the first place. Yeah. Um, because if you don't continue, you're probably, if you're doing this from like a true niggle, which is like a deep, What the fuck is a needle? Yes. Please explain the niggle. Meg. Every time you say it, I'm like, when the fuck is that? Okay. So I think that I might have co-opted that term from an author named Rebecca Campbell. She always writes about that. But it's like this little soul nudge. It's this little, like it's, and we can use soul. I always say Gus. Let's refer to Gus. God, universe, spirit, soul. You know, whatever the, the power greater than you, but that is residing within you. So maybe it's your intuition. you want to call it that. But there's a part of you that is like whispering and saying, hey, listen, things could be different. We can do things differently. We could create more joy in your life.

We can help do something that's going to feel more alive for you. You only live once. Why are we living this miserable way when we have this other way? You know? And that niggle for me when I was in my career in television and deep in my addictions, it was started out as a niggle. But then a niggle when not listen to becomes a holler. Then it becomes a scream. Then it becomes a four by four across the head. Then it comes a Mack truck. Yeah. The universe will make sure you get the message. Yeah. In a Mac truck, when it comes to our bodies, is serious health issues, right? That can, result from not taking care of ourselves. Yeah. We know when we're not on the right path. And it eats away at us, not just at our soul. It eats away at us physically. Here's Amara here. It's so hard to be

new at something. This makes a lot of sense why it's comfortable to fall back on old selves and patterns. Figuring out a new self needs a lot of trust in the process that has no evidence. But we do have evidence, right? When we go back, and so everyone wants to go to the goal, but when you go back and you map your life, especially after you get to be a certain age, there's evidence that you can you can do hard things, that you, you know, there's evidence there. We just, we just don't, I don't think we see it. Yeah, for sure. And I also want to add that in my experience, both personally and with all of the thousands, I mean, I've worked with 18,000 plus people through transformational experiences during my time in Costa Rica working in the holistic health and wellness space. Yeah. The people that commit and go all in to something in their life that they feel excited about and take the leap, whether there's a net or not, and do it without requiring evidence,

but just fully 100% commit, they are the most successful ones in any realm that I see. This must be, this might be a weird side track, but it is, and I'm also watching Neely, which is an offshoot of Reacher. And anyway, the first episode, it's about, like, kind of creating this psychedelic drug that helps people kind of go really deep and deal with their stuff. And, you know, I've spoken to people before who'd go on those kind of psychedelic trips, like, like supervised. But is that because they're just, they're allowing themselves to go deep?

No, by no means, am I suggesting anyone go out in the middle of the rainforest and do drugs? But is that why you think that people are able to get over or work through a deal on stuff quicker and faster because they're just more open to going deeper? And then if so, how can we do that without going to the rainforest and doing drugs? Well, yes. And thank you for bringing that up because that's the place that I worked in. I worked in the ayahuasca psychedelic space for seven years in Costa Rica. Yeah. Well, you know, yeah, there's a lot going on there and there's a lot of research behind the benefits of that. And I don't want to make this segment about that because that's not accessible for a lot of people. But how can we learn from that and make change in our own lives? Well, I will say, like, yes, there are a lot of things that are true in this. The people that commit to that kind of experience are typically the people that are either fully willing to go both feet in, take me deep, give me the fastest, quickest, most.

elaborate transformation possible. I'm not afraid. Or they're the ones that are at the end of the rope and they're like, this is the last thing I'm going to try before. I give up. So the beautiful thing is, is all of those years, I worked deeply in that space. I started to see and recognize the fact that those substances are like a fast forward button on everything that we can get to on our own without it. We just need something that every single day is reminding us why we're here and what what it is that we want and why we want it. And for me, that has been breathwork through and through. I've been doing that work for a decade now. And like for me, I was supported with some of these plant medicine substances to get sober. I'm nine years sober

at the end of October this year. But I say, I didn't need that. It was, I did a lot of the work leading up to it to help eliminate the reasons why I didn't believe in myself, why I didn't love myself, why I felt to numb and distance myself. And then that specific experience, yes, it just had helped take all of the edge off. But most of the work and the credit goes to me. And trusting that there is, trusting that there is good in all of us, even when we screw up. And that we can make amends with those around us and with ourselves and our body with every breath that we take. new moment to start again. Oh, I love that. I want to get into breathwork and from a different

perspective. So I'm currently enrolled in, I'm doing some Harvard medical school classes. And one of the things I talk about is breath work. And I think we think of breath work and we think get out the steel drum, meditate like hokey pokey. But we need to breathe. Deep breathing can calm our vagus nerve. You want to be in that parasympathetic state, which basically means calm. state, which basically means being present. And there is a lot of science. This is what I'm saying, like Harvard Medical School is talking about breathwork and breathing. Can we put kind of like, how is it going to help someone who is struggling with making change? And what kind of breathwork can they do? What do you mean by that? It feels like everything's got rules. Even the way we breathe has to

be a certain way. So can you just break it down in the most simplistic ways? How, what is breath work? How, how, can it help us and give us a to-do, like how to do it? Okay. Well, breathwork, there's two different types. There's like functional breathwork just saying that because I'm all like, we need to get you doing some more breathwork, yeah? No. So there's two different styles of breathwork. I like to say that there is experiential breathwork, which is more where you see the people lying down. They have masks and there's the music and the drums. And I do a lot of that because of my background. love doing that kind of hippie-dippy stuff, as I call it. Sure.

It works. Yeah. And then there's the more functional breathwork. And this is things like pranayama. Many of you probably experienced it in yoga where you're doing these functional breathing patterns. Maybe you're doing alternate nostril breathing, that type of stuff. And then there's just breath awareness and getting to know your respiratory systems that

you can use it in a more fully optimized way. And so when I teach breathwork, for example, I'm teaching a group of small town rural entrepreneurial type women right now every single Monday night. And we do a little bit of all of it. And it's about getting them in their body. It's about getting them recognizing that they're probably not breathing right, because none of us are. We're so shallow breathing. We're just survival breathing. Yeah. All day. And then just getting people into their body and into the state of calm more often. And what breathwork does when we use different types of breathing patterns, and I use six or seven different breathing patterns in any given session. We're teaching the body how to handle being stressed

but in a controlled and safe environment. Yes, because it's not the stress that is our problem. It's our inability to recover from stress. Back in the day, you get chased by a lion or a bear or something like that and you run and then you come back to your safe home and you calm down. You have a good laugh and you're fine. Now something happens to you. You come home. You come home, you talk about, you go on the internet, you're all stressed out. Something else stresses you out. The stress just keeps on going and we're constantly in a state of stress. 100%. 100%. And breathwork is teaching us. One of the beautiful things is the goal with breathwork or with any kind of mindfulness meditation practice isn't for us to just be chill and come and like super

bypass you all the time, right? It's not. It's not. Totally thought that's the whole point. Yeah. But it's to be able to go from, ah, Sabretoothed Tiger to I'm okay. I can sit up my desk and do some work to, oh my gosh, regulation. Yeah. And the faster we can go from, stressed out to I'm in rest and digest and I can function and I can connect with human beings again, the faster we can move between the two, that's really the ultimate goal.

And when we do breathwork, we're receiving so much benefit on the physical level, everything from better sleep to better digestion, heart rate variability, stress relief. But we're also relieving, getting mental emotional benefits as well, because when we breathe, we start to reconnect to ourselves in an intentional way, a way that most people aren't making time for in their day-to-day life to be like, to listen to that niggle, to that voice, to hear what does my intuition and soul really want?

Yeah. It's so true. It's so true. Okay. So can you give us? It's so true. So, okay, we know this. Like, I'm at my desk or I'm doing something.

Where do I implement this breathing when I wake up in the morning, when I go to bed? Like what, if someone was to pick one time, one kind of breathing, what would you suggest for a place for us to start? First thing in the morning, if you have the luxury of doing that, I have a four-year-old that barges into my room and wakes me up most of the days if I'm not up at five to do work. So that's definitely not possible. But I always say first thing in the morning, especially with like breathwork, with working out with yoga, because then you get it done and you don't have any excuses for the rest of the day, right? Yes. Uh-huh. But also with breathwork when we're doing it as we come.

out of slumber, we're already in this beautiful in-between place where we can ease more easily tap into those parts of us that are visionary, the parts of us that have connection to whatever higher power will be living in. So I love doing it then. But if you feel like you would fall asleep, then maybe get up, sit up. And a beautiful breath pattern that I always have people play around with when they get started is called it's a three-part breath. So right then and there, you know that this is not your normal way of breathing. And that's the goal. we call it breath work because we're going to work the breath. And so a three-part breath, the two inhales,

there's going to be two inhales that come in through the nose. And then the exhale is through the mouth. Okay. And what we're going to be doing with this three-part breath is we're going to inhale the first part of the breath and we're going to be filling up the belly. So I always place a hand on the belly and I place the hand on the heart or the chest. And so the first part of the inhale, imagine really filling into the belly, pressing into that hand at the bottom.

second part of the inhale, filling into the chest, letting go through the mouth as a sigh. Just one breath and my body is already like, when I breathe in, I feel, oh, my attention to me, yeah. And then I read out and be like, ah. Well, and the beautiful thing about doing that two-part breath is often we'll breathe in and fill the belly and we'll think that's our in breath. But then if we tell ourselves, no, there's still more breath to come in and we breathe into the heart, then all of a sudden we're filling our lungs to a fuller capacity because we're forcing that extra. phil. So it's... Okay. And it becomes a wave. And if we can make the exhalation longer than the two-part inhale, then that right there is telling the body, rest and digest, activate the parasympathetic nervous system, start the day in a calm state. And if you can't do it in the morning,

take a break, set a timer on your watch to do it at 11, 11 in the morning at your desk, do three or four of those, you know? Do it before you have to do a presentation. I often lie down and do breathwork. If I have to send like a very serious email to a client or I have to fire someone or something, I'm like, I've got to do some breathwork before because it's going to ground me into my body. It's going to put me into a calm state so that I'm not writing from any other energy other than this is my truth. Yeah. This is my truth. Such a powerful tool for that.

Yeah. I've been using this myself because I've gotten lost in my career and what I do listening to other people or you can't do this and you can't do that and the pressure of big business. and I'm like, I need to come back to myself and function from this place. And that's been a really game. It's been a game changer for me because I feel more confident in what I'm doing and what I'm saying because I know it's coming from the right place. Is this before we go, Meg, is this going to help us get out of the void? Yes.

Someone's like, how do I get out of the void? Does this help us get out of the void? Totally. I mean, it's going to help you through every single stage of the process because it's going to keep tapping you and plugging you back in to you. and your vision and it's going to keep you feeling calm, even when you're in that missy, void, dark, like, who am I? What's my identity? I don't know what the future holds in the past is not where I want to be, right? Like, it all feels crazy. But the breath brings you back to the

present. And when you are in the present, you're not tripping about the future, you're not obsessing over the past. You are here, and you can make clear next step choices from a, from a super grounded and centralized place. And it's the most beautiful place to be here and now. because it's the only thing that's real. It's the only thing that's real. When you were talking there, I was just thinking to myself, are we really, are in the pursuit of change? So we envision that we have to change.

But we are, and it's not like coming back to your old self and who you were, but you're really just honoring who you know you are. I don't want to say meant to be because you're already that person. You just have to outwardly kind of express that. Does that make sense? Yeah. And I love that. This whole book that I'm working on is it's about all of these pieces, but it's mainly I wrote it because I found myself as a woman in business who is constantly evolving. It's called the brand that breathes because we as humans are ever evolving. We are not meant to be a business woman that stays the same. We are meant to be a business owner and have a business and a brand that evolves and flows and grows with us, that it is our essence. that gets to be the success.

Ooh, yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, my gosh. I love this. Thank you so much. You've given us so much to think about it. I'm going to end it there.

Please come back and join us again. You have your new book that you mentioned, the brand that breathes that's coming out. If you want to know more about Meg, you can go right to her website. Meg Pearson.com. You can also follow her over on Instagram, coach Meg Pearson.

I want to thanks everyone to, I mean, you've got to pop in and read the comments. People have all sorts of incredible things to say. Thank you so much for this incredible conversation. Pretty please come back. Thank you. I would love to. So much more to talk about. I know.

I know. Meg Pearson, I absolutely adore you. I feel like we're besties. All right. Thank you for sharing your time with us today. I appreciate you. Oh, thank you so much. My absolute pleasure.

Thanks, everyone.