The Livy Method Podcast - The Tweak This Week - Winter 2026 - Week 7

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

Join Gina and Program Manager Kim as they break down and dig into the tweak we see in week 7 of The Livy Method.The Tweak This Week? Maximizing and Feeding the MetabolismIn this episode, Gina and Kim shift the conversation toward metabolism and what it really means to maximize your efforts in a sustainable way. They explain why weight loss is about more than just eating less and moving more, and how understanding your body’s patterns, habits, and triggers is key to getting your metabolism working for you, not against you. They also highlight the impact of seasonal changes on cravings and energy, breaking down how adjusting your food choices, like leaning into lighter meals and increasing fruit as the weather warms, can support metabolic function and help your body run more efficiently. The focus is clear: when you prioritize nourishment, digestion, and consistency, you create the conditions your body needs to release fat, regulate energy, and truly maximize your results without forcing or fighting it.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodwinter2026To learn more about The Livy Method, visit livymethod.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Intraintrault music seemed really calm. I don't know. It's... Ding-da-d-d-ding. Ding. We're supposed to be calm. I know it did because usually we're like, I just totally realize that at the same time.

I'm like, oh. Good morning. Well, you're just waking up on the West Coast, so you're probably still asleep. I know. I just went to, I sat down and I was like, oh, I haven't opened my blind yet. And Jody, yeah,

because it's still dark out. I don't need to open my blinds. you guys might get to see the sunset out my blunts right now. I mean, the sunrise. Hi. Hi, how are you? Oh, gosh. I'm like, I'm super jazzed after the conversation with Dr. Jason Fung because I feel like, listen, I'm no doctor, right? You know, every time I see like weight loss expert after my name, I'm like, yeah, is that what I do? Like, yes, I've created this weight loss program that works, maintenance program. Like, yes, I created that. And yes, I've spent my entire life helping people lose weight. But like I feel like, you know, I've become this facilitator of conversation,

facilitator of community, that type of thing. I'm just trying to feel it out. But it's so nice to have someone like Jason who brings so much credibility, who just gets it. You know, I can't tell you how many conversations and debates I've had with people over this calories in versus calories out. I mean, we were at the obesity conference a few years back. And Ruth literally brought all of her research and people are losing a clinical amount of weight.

And again, you know, I remember this young guy who was presenting on cold plunge or something. Well, like, so it's really just calories in, but calories out. People are eating less. And I'm just like, I just so, it's just so tired of that. I'm so fucking tired of that conversation. Like, you know, so many times I wish I'd gone to school, become like a doctor or, you know, like, just so I could be like, come on. Like I figured this out.

Why can't you figure it out? People don't want to figure it out. Yeah, I don't even know if they don't want to. I think that's an easy surface. And then I don't have to look any deeper into it and they brush it off. And always by people who've never struggled with their weight. Obviously. Right?

Or been a woman at middle age and done all the diets and literally done the starve, deprived, eat less, exercise more. And again, I've never debated that calories and versus calories out doesn't work. You lose the weight. It's just you cannot sustain and maintain it and so much more than that. So I mean, I know, Jason does talk about mindset going into his book, but, you know, we talk a lot, obviously, about mindset and being mindful and working through issues and associations and habits and whatnot. But I just love this one piece, pulling it all together, helping people understand that he talked about your body's thermostat. That's that set point. Set point body thermostat. That's homeostasis. Your body learns to function at a certain weight. That's not the

ideal weight because that has you carrying excess fat. So it's just like bringing the science behind that. And he had a great way of breaking it down in a way that was easy to understand too. I was a bit nervous when I first started talking to Jason. He was a little clinical. And I was like, okay, we got to talk about this in a way that we can break it down and make sense. to what people are actually doing. So I'm still writing a high from that conversation because I feel like it validates all of you listening, watching, and all the struggle that you've been through. And every time someone was like, eat less, exercise more, you just need to lose weight or validate why you're struggling and you're having a harder time because you are dealing with hormones,

inflammation, your microbiome. I love they talked about it's just, it's not just the foods that you eat. It's what your body does with them. So digestion and then absorption, right? Like you can eat healthy foods, but that doesn't mean that your body is processing and digesting those foods in a way that's getting all the nutrients from it. And that's why this program puts a massive emphasis on digestion as well. So yeah, I just, I just, I hope everyone walked away from that being like, okay, it's

fucking go time because not only do I know what to do, I've already been doing the things. And I've landed in the perfect place to like get this done, you know. Yeah, I mean, just that one piece alone that he was talking about. I think it was a cookie. He used as an example for the 500 cookie versus an omelet. Yeah, versus an omelet. And what happens as soon as you put it in your body, his explanation of that to have that running for your head when you're looking at a cookie, like, do I really want that?

And, you know, you might want the. cookie. Yeah. There's, you know, maybe you're having coffee with a friend and there's, they baked cookies and you want to have one. But just recognizing that when you, you know, people talk about that, um, the food noise, which he said is, I mean, okay, there wasn't just one point. There was a bunch of them. But the food noise and about that, like what that was, like when you have all of those things, I have three teenagers, well, an adult and two teenagers, almost three adults in my house. There is junk food all over my house at all times. Like my daughter bakes every single day. My kids are like eat chips and all of that stuff. And to think about,

to be able to stop and think and not just eat, like I couldn't just remove everything from my house. That wasn't an option for me for losing was to remove everything from my house. To think about the stuff that he was saying yesterday and how that is what I did on this program to lose weight. but he put it in like this is like in such a matter of fact way that it was like yeah that's exactly what we're doing here what he's talking about is what we are doing here and it takes them it takes time to do it he talked about a homeostatic hunger so the physical hunger you actually hungry and need to eat right the hedonic hunger emotional so eating when you're stressed or when you're triggered or using food to cope right and then there's conditioned hunger which is out of habit your environment it's being

social and that conditioned hunger is that food noise when you've constantly been trained to eat all of the food on your plate, for example. Food noise is food waste issues, food scarcity issues, stressing about your next meal or snack when you have an abundance of food around you, right? Like constantly, should I eat, should I not eat? And then you layer years of dieting on top of that conditioned hunger. You've conditioned yourself to try to not eat. So that's how your brain is wired. You've conditioned yourself to feel guilty. If you do eat, right? So that's like, that's a lot that goes into food noise. And nobody is talking about this. No one is talking about this. Well, and that's what this, it was such a perfect conversation for this week,

because the feeding the metabolism tweak and that food noise, right? Like the whole conversation, we're seeing it in the questions about, you know, with, um, when people asking about like, what happens if you're not hungry for the second half? And I know you have something to say about that. Well, I'm just, I'm so excited because we, and I don't know if it's the way we're presenting the information. People are very resistant to this tweak. And I think that stems from that fear of eating more is just eating more. And it's, it's not how you lose weight. And it's just so much more than that. It's really making you aware, it constantly having you think about food all the time. So if you think about this, because we're all about rewiring, right? That's what we're doing.

And we got to go in. We've got to shake things up. And we got to look at things from different perspectives and rewire. And you take people who've spent a good chunk of their lives trying not to eat, trying not to eat. And now you have to eat. Now you have to eat. And this is where in contrast, if you can go back to some of the thoughts and feels, no matter how well you did in downsizing, the thoughts and feels that you had pop up, you know, people say things like, oh my goodness, I feel like I'm starving. I feel so deprived. That's just from a few bites less from eating dissatisfaction.

And yet now the biggest question that we're getting is, do I have to eat that second portion? Right. Do I have to eat that second portion if I'm not hungry? And yes, you do. You do because if you choose not to have that second portion, you will flip so quickly into that deprivation mindset of like, oh, maybe I didn't eat enough. I didn't have that second portion.

Oh, my goodness, I'm hungry later. That subconscious will add up towards the end of the day and the feeling of not eating enough. So this is where you have to be like, I'm going to split my portions into, eat the first portion, wait 20, 30 minutes and see how I feel. If I'm not hungry for the second portion, that's like a holy shit. Like, I was totally satisfied on this portion yesterday. And now today, after I only eat half and actually give my body time to start to process

and digest food. And without that pressure of not being able to have it, free-willing it, I'm actually not hungry for it. But you do have to have a token amount to know that, okay, I actually, you know, I still had part of that second part. So the next time when I go and split up that meal, I'm not going in there with a deprivation mindset. We're trying to address that deprivation mindset. So that's why you have to have that second amount. Now, I know, and I'm just going to continue on this. People are concerned, well, what if I don't get enough, you know, protein?

Well, that's simple. Then you can just do the next step, which is separate your protein, eat all your protein first, then eat your carb second. And then if you want, your leafy greens and healthy fats can go either way. So if you're worried about your greens, you can get them in with your protein. Right? And this is just for four days that you're that you're doing it. People tend to overthink that part. Well, what if I'm not going to get in enough vegetables? In one sense, they're like, they don't want to eat the second half. And then they're like, well, what if I don't get enough vegetables, right? So that's where you can, you have the choice of separating your plate into two equal portions. But it is worth doing. And if you don't do it this week, next week,

try separating your protein from your carbs because that's where that's going to be a lead up and set up to the next week, really understanding how protein and fat feeds into your satiety hormones. But yeah, I think. here's Margie, I struggle with this. I struggle with the weight. I just want to clean up and move. This is also like, we are not meant to sit down and gobble our food down within minutes and go on our way. In fact, that's what creates leptin resistance and overeating. You are really hungry. You get used to eating everything on your plate. You put enough food on your plate that, you know, looks like a meal that you should eat. And, you know, having to eat more food at breakfast and lunch and dinner doesn't actually make sense. So this is something we've, you know, created societally.

And so then you sit down, you have your lunch break and then you're just going to eat your food as fast as you can. It doesn't give your body any chance to give you the signals of, hey, I've had enough or your GLP1 to kick in because you haven't given your body time to start to process and digest that food, right? So that's a big part of it is like this, this overeating is always going to be issue for you unless you actually ground yourself and take time. to be in the moment and be mindful of the time that you're taking to eat your foods, right? So that's a big one. And this is, this comes down to, okay, well, you, are you, like, this is creating changes that can sustain your weight and the way you want to live. And in order to do that, you need to be mindful. And, and there are, there's a lot of research and studies behind your body processing food and absorbing nutrients differently when you are in a calm state,

versus kind of just stressing out rushing and being distracted while eating. And so this will really highlight that if you have an hour lunch and you are just taking five, ten minutes to eat and then going back to work or whatever you're doing and not being mindful of what you're eating, that's going to be a problem when it comes to maintaining and sustaining. And I'm just being real. You have to make some changes. The way you live your life has got you to where you are right now.

And that is the reason why your body is carrying excess fat. I don't really harp on that a lot. but that's the reality of it. And if you don't make any changes to what you eat, when you eat, how you eat all of that so that you can get to a place where you can actually trust when to eat, I'm actually hungry, right? What to eat. I need fruit. I need protein.

And then how much to eat? Like that's, it's going to be difficult for you to maintain and sustain the weight. So I love that you recognize that's an issue, right? Like that's what, that's what this is for you. So that's what you are working on this week. And that's exactly what it's all about. what are the thoughts and feels that are coming up for you this week when you read the guidelines? And then what is that about?

That's where you want to go. Yeah, it's really interesting with this tweak because if somebody, one of the questions that some people do ask is what is the point? And this is one tweak where it's like, oh, my goodness, there are so many points. There's so many things that come up, right? We had one person mentioned on Sunday that they might try to do a couple dinners. and it was like, oh, you might want to try doing a little bit more than that, because if you're not willing to, that is the point. Like why is it that you're not willing to go all in with this tweak? Like you're here for 91 days.

You've said you want to lose weight. You have expectations for yourself at the end of the 91 days. And what your results are going to be, what is it about this that has you saying like, okay, I was willing to go all in, but I'm not going to actually do this. And like you said, that's the big part of it is what is it that's holding you back. What is it about this tweak? Because there are physical things that are happening to you. with this tweak when you split the meals in half and your satisfaction with whether you

pull the portion out or not, there's a lot that's going on in your mindset when you're doing this tweak. And I think that part of it is actually more important than like feeding the metabolism is called this because when you're making your body work harder, you're getting your metabolism working. That is such a, it's great. I feel like I felt that part of it further on in my journey. Yeah. The beginning of it, at the start, the first couple of groups, this tweak was 100% mental. I didn't feel those physical effects once I got through the mental part of it. And I started really fine-tuning my portions and understanding what I was doing with this tweak. Then I was just like, oh, I actually feel I am more hungry when I'm doing this.

And my hunger was like ramped up after feeding the metabolism every time because my body was starting to work a little bit more efficiently. It was starting to, you know, I didn't have that big backlog of food because I was overeating those portions. So it's, there's two pieces to it. There's the physical and there's the mental part of it. And it's hard to say, everybody's going through a different part of it. Right now, everybody in the group is going through something different with it. You know, when I think about Jason Fung and how how excited I am and a lot of members had that takeaway is he was able to pull everything together and help them understand like, oh, oh, okay, I see the way Gina put this program together and why to meet the science of what he's saying.

And I think about all the people and this program works really well for A type people who are like, I just, I had a woman last night. And she's like, am I losing weight too quickly? I'm literally just doing everything that you say. And, you know, obviously there's different variations of that because some people got a lot going on in their life, like just, you know, what's happening in their life. some people have health issues that they're dealing with. But, you know, we have people who are like, oh, I just kind of done. I did everything that you needed to do. But you don't have to do these tweaks, right?

Like I just want to make that very clear. These tweaks are designed to shake things up to help your body rewire physically and your brain we rewired. They help to fast track the process because it's a system and it's a method as opposed to just counting and weighing and measuring. Following the basic food plan and maximize your efforts, you're already doing so much. But what you cannot do is not be all in with these tweaks and then complain when your weight isn't moving the way someone else's weight is moving because they are

doing the things and all in, right? And so that's where that, like, you can have that resistance, but I'm challenging you to step out of your comfort zone and attempt. And that's why I said in the check in this morning, like, try not to overthink it. And we always have new members come in here like, yeah, I don't know, and I can send it about this. And then we have all of our returning members. Like, ah, this is such a great tweak, just trusted and whatever. That's not, having someone say trusted is not going to address your thoughts or your feels. That's why I'm like, you really need to honor your thoughts and feels. All of these tweaks are designed to bring, bring them up, you know. But yeah, it's, it's understanding. I would also add to that, you know, if you are constantly,

what is the point and why are we doing this? I would also challenge you with reading the science posts and really understanding the why this works post. Because just like Jason's conversation, I mean, that's easy. He's coming on. He's talking. We're hanging out. We're listening. It's a lot easier than reading the science post and really trying to absorb that or reading the why it works and really sitting with it and understanding, okay, this is what I'm doing, you know, and this is why this part works and that part works. So if you're really struggling with the what is the point and why we're doing but you're simultaneously also not interested in the science or the why, that could be the disconnect. That could be the disconnect, right? I want to talk to Fran. Hi, Fran. Newby here. Hello and welcome.

My hesitation around going back later to eat the second half. Okay. I cook traditional meals for the family, meat, veg salads. So then 20 minutes later, things are cold and need reheating. It's the logistics that are bogging me down. I know it's only four days. So I'm already thinking about menus to make it easier for you. So I love that you're thinking about making menus that are easy for you, because not all things you're going to, I don't want anyone like splitting up. Like if you have like a soup, I don't want you picking out the protein bits. Like we don't want to do any super weird shit. But this is where I would challenge you. Like I don't know about you, but I'm a mom, right? So I would feed my kids. We'd have dinner. And then 20 minutes later, I'm, I'm doing dishes and eating food off

their plate. That's cold. You know, I, you know, I, you. go to Europe. I don't know if you've ever been, you know, lucky enough to go to Europe or see that kind of where they're sitting around tables where the food is sitting there. Have an hour and people are still picking at foods, right? And I think this is sort of like where you even sit down at your, like, how long is your dinner that, like, you probably spend an hour making dinner and yet you sit down with your family and it's done in 10 minutes, right? Like, that's where you, that's where you're like, hopefully we're sitting for at least 20 minutes where you can eat some of your meal, talk, let the food digest, eat slower, enjoy your food. And then the food is still sitting there.

Food is still sitting there. Like how long does our food actually stay hot when we are eating it? Right. Like that's just some food for thought because this is one that people are like, well, my food, I don't want to have to reheat it and whatever. I'm just like, oh my God. Maybe it's just being a mom of four kids. Like hot food is a luxury. Like I don't know that I ever fucking eat my food hot. Nope. No hot coffee.

No hot food. My coffee. I didn't tell you how many times I drink cold coffee. Maybe that's just me. And so this is where I would say this is just for four days. So you want to enjoy your food hot. I get that. But also then, you know, like let's talk about the whole eating food experience.

Like maybe we need to take a look. Like what does meal time mean for us? You know, I can tell you, and I know I've shared so often that Tony will eat his food and he's gone. Five minutes, he's looking at me right now. It's true. He eats his food. Five minutes, he's up out of the table. And when we were doing a more relaxed kind of kitchen stuff, he's got a lot to do.

I would let him, right? And now we have this dining room space. I've had three meals there. And they have been my favorite meals in a long time. because my kids are talking and Tony's hanging out and we're having the conversations are fucking weird with young adults. I can't even tell you the shit that they talk about is so offside. Half the time I'm like, what are we talking about?

But it's been, it's brought a different, like now we're like looking at recipes and what can we make and, you know, bring the kids on that. And maybe this is an opportunity to reframe your relationship with food, your relationship with dinner time, meal time, right? I don't know. That's just, there are other options you can do, like create foods that you don't have to reheat. That's totally an option. So I love that. You're thinking about menus to make it easier. But I would also challenge you to go a little bit deeper and be like, really, have we just not eaten food after 20 minutes after it's sitting there? Like, is that really the issue here?

What is it, you know? Well, and I think to just thinking from perspective as like from the mom view, too, from that sitting down at dinner, I think there's a lot of, us moms that have had the pressure on it. You know, we work all day and then we make a nice dinner for our families and we just want to enjoy it. We just want to sit and enjoy it. And that's probably part of what's coming up this week for some people too, is that like, this is my time to sit down.

It's my first time sitting down all day. I just want to eat my food. Come on, jean, let me eat my food. Right? And it's, so from a relaxing perspective, it can be. but that's to your point where you can actually still sit and enjoy. You can really sit in, dig into those four mindful eating questions, the four steps of mindful eating while you're eating that first portion of it.

And I like to take a dinner plate. If I'm having the family dinner, I'll just literally split it in half and decide, like whether it's my protein and my veg half or I'll physically, because then if I'm talking, I can see. Right. So half of my, if I'm having a stew, this is half of it. I might put it into two bowls, whatever.

But I will physically, I will very mindfully while I'm having that conversation, eat the first half. And if everybody's done, I'll sit by myself or go and do something, set my timer and come back and sit by myself at the table. And that table is so peaceful after everybody has left and I can sit and eat my other half. Like it's like getting two quiet moments for the price of one, enjoy your dinner. but I recognize not every night is going to look like that for people. Yeah.

Like everybody's nights are different. Everybody's days. I know people have mentioned, I only have a half an hour for a break. What can I do? You know, you could eat some of it at the beginning of your break and others at the end. Some people have the opportunity to have food at their desk so that they can have that 20 minutes later at their desk. But if lunch is a stress because you're at work, you don't have to do every meal or snack. If dinner, if dinner is really one of those ones where you're like, I just want to sit and eat my dinner, do your breakfast, lunch and your snacks, and don't do your dinner.

It doesn't have to be every single meal. Every single meal that you can do does make a difference, though. Or just thinking about it. Yeah. Right? Just thinking about if you were to attempt it, like even if you don't follow through and split your meals and snacks, think about that. What if I was to split this portion that I'm looking at in two portions? pay attention to how quickly you're eating the meal or the environment you're eating it in.

Really dig in to those four sets of mindful eating questions. If you don't have the opportunity to split, what can you do to take this to the next level? To see things differently, right? To see how would I feel if I split this and then waited 20 minutes? Maybe eat the portion and then see what's happening in 20 minutes, even if your intent isn't to split it. Think about that. How long did it take you to eat this portion? And then really pay attention to what's happening.

you know, when you're checking in after. So there are ways, if you can't split up your meals and snacks, to really still get into this tweak without actually splitting up those meals and snacks part. There was a question here. Someone had two, too, too, oh, smaller portions. There will be some meals or snacks that it's just you're not even hungry for. Just have the small token amount. So if you're not even hungry in the first place, you don't need to split that up. If you feel like your portion is already small, you don't need to split that up either. But, you know, if your portion's already small and you're not, you know, all that hungry for it, this is, again, there's still an opportunity to learn to learn here. That's, it's just about, and if you think about that conditioned hunger that Jason talked about,

we're trying to rewire that conditioned hunger, right? That so hungry, got to eat, you sit down, you eat, you will fit down, and then you're already thinking about the next thing you're eating, because did you actually get any joy from the food that you ate? I saw someone here talking about how they made a six-hour brisket, invited a whole bunch of people over put all this love into food and in a half hour later everyone's like done right and that's like it's a it's a this is like there are reasons why obesity is an epidemic and I think one of the reasons is we're so stressed we're not making time we don't enjoy our food so we look for other ways

to get enjoyment and dopamine hits from our food and this is about reconnecting with food in a different way you know yeah I do have to say before Jody starts playing our music which we know is coming Wait, wait, wait, I just got to say, so the second half, eat only if hungry, correct? Absolutely not. No. I think we got to rewrite the guidelines. You absolutely need to eat at least a token amount of that second portion, because then all you're doing is cutting your meals in half and eating less. That's not the, that's not at all. It's a great question. It's, and that's what most of our questions are about. So I want to reiterate that before we go. This is not just eating half of what you were eating before. That is absolutely. not it. This is taking those same portions, eating in the half, mindfully the first portion, waiting, giving your body time to start processing digest for your GLP1 hormone to kick in, for example, before you consume that second portion. You still absolutely want to make sure you are having a few bites or a token amount, even if you're not hungry for it. So one, it makes your body work extra hard, right? And then also mentally, you know that you've had that second part. So

it doesn't have to be the whole thing if you're not hungry, but yes, you absolutely, if you do not have like, I know you could be 15 minutes, but if you don't have like 15 minutes to 30 minutes to do that, then just mindfully eat that one portion. But you absolutely want to make sure you're still having that second portion. Absolutely. Yes. First one and second one. If you're not hungry for the second one, you have to have that token amount. Otherwise, you're just eating less and that's going to catch up with you. it's not doing anything for your mindset when you're doing that you are just perceiving oh i ate less and that that that will cause panic that that that's that that's not doing anything to address that conditioned hunger and that's where we want to make sure we we are doing something to address that

right so that's really important does it yeah and that's one thing that's there's where i was going with that too is with that second portion if you were finding that at all of your meals and snacks you were not hungry for that second portion not hungry for it then it's a good idea to look into what you're serving yourself to see if maybe you're not as in tune as you thought you were with how much you need. If you're full on that first portion every single time, you need to dig into your portion sizes because it means that you were satisfied on that first part. And also, just one other point that I think when you're splitting the protein and the carbs

that people tend to do is you got your lunch and portion or protein is not the star at lunch. veggies are. If you're splitting that, separating the protein from the vegetables, that protein portion is going to look very small. Keep in mind that first portion, the protein is not meant to fill you up. You don't need to add on to that to make it look like you what you need because you still have the second portion your carbs to have 20, 30 minutes later, whatever your split is. If you are separating your proteins from your carbs and you are full after your protein, chances are you are eating too much protein if you don't have room for the rest of your meal. I take the same exact same meal that I ate yesterday or today to satisfaction and tomorrow

I split it in two and I eat the first portion and I'm full. Guess what? The portion I had today was probably way more than what I needed, right? Way more than what I needed. So I just wanted to say here, for as many meals and snacks as you can, for as many, meals and snacks. Some you won't be able to split. That's okay. I just want to say before we go, Melissa, I also realize food waste issues splitting meals. I tend to eat the second half, especially if my veggie portion. Yeah. Are you actually hungry? Right. I love this. Thank you,

everyone for joining us today. Again, we're here for you. Reach out. Let us know if you have any questions. Try to get curious. Have fun. Remember what this is all about, right? We want to shake things up. You should have some feels about this. You should have some thoughts about this. Kim, so great to see you and chat with you. Any final words before we go? No, just tomorrow when the feeding the metabolism starts, have fun with it. Try what you can get frustrated. And we got the whole team in the group that can kind of help you out with the fine tuning of it if you are frustrated. So pop in and let us know how you're doing. All right. Also tomorrow, Andrew Blake is joining us. That's going to be a great conversation. Have a great day, everyone. Thanks. Bye.