The Livy Method Podcast - Week 4 Day 31 with Special Guest Melissa Grelo

Episode Date: October 14, 2026

“Aging gracefully” never sat right with Melissa Grelo. The longtime co-host of CTV’s The Social and host of the Aging Powerfully with Melissa Grelo podcast joins Gina Livy to talk about menopause, midlife, and why this is the stage to stop shrinking and start taking up space.They talk about finding your voice after decades of people-pleasing, and why speaking up is a muscle that gets stronger every time you survive the pushback. Melissa calls herself a recovering perfectionist. She shares how she let go of all-or-nothing thinking about exercise and why she calls strength training the real fountain of youth. She also lays out the red flags of menopause misinformation online, why “boring” basics still work, and why all you really need is one good friend.Melissa is hosting the National Menopause Show on October 17–18 at The International Centre in Mississauga, where you'll also find Gina and friends!Where to Find MelissaPodcast: Aging Powerfully with Melissa GreloInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/melissagrelo/https://www.instagram.com/agingpowerfullywithmg/Substack: https://melissagrelo.substack.com/This podcast aligns with Day 31 of our Fall Program, members can find video in our Livy Method app or Livy Method Community Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodThere is still time to join the Fall Program and there are two ways to join you can purchase the Fall Session for $99, or become a member for $20/month for year-round support, access to every session, Livy AI, member perks and more. The program is meant to fit into your life, not make your life the program. So start when you’re ready, make it work for you, and visit livymethod.com to join us. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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head over to libymethit.com to sign out today. So, Grello, welcome to the podcast. Hi, hello, good morning. Good morning. Thanks for having me. Thanks for joining us. I was actually just watching your Instagram account and your new segment fired up this morning.

You're a trained journalist. There's one thing to report on, you know, current events and what's happening. It's a whole other to have an opinion. And many of us at Midlife, including myself, we're trying to find our voice. Where does yours come from? Have you, were you like a child and you were very opinionated? Where, where does it come from? I think, two things. Yes, I've always been very, very opinionated. Ask my parents. My dad said, you're, you better get into law or something with that mouth. You better get paid. And I was like, well, look at me now. I talk. I get paid to talk.

And so, yes, yes, I've always definitely had an. opinion. Certainly how I speak, what I speak of has shifted dramatically as I've gotten older. Yeah. And I think as your audience can well understand, are we like to swear on this podcast? Yeah, absolutely. Go for it. Yeah. For sure. The older we get, the less fucks we give. Yeah. And I say that very crassly on purpose. So I apologize. This is very early to be hearing an F-bomb. Yeah. No, not around here. We're good. Okay, great. Happy to hear it. Because there is something that does shift in us as we get older as women. And I think that we are slowly realizing that the people pleasing doesn't serve us anymore.

It's exhausting. I think that suppressing how we actually feel about something has a toll. We really pay for that over a lifetime. And one thing that is so liberating about midlife, I'm 49 now, is the ability to have what we fear most of our lives as women, which is, I think, consequences of being able to speak up and speak our truths. And I think that there's something hopefully that's shifting in this phase where you do have more autonomy and independence and that could be financial, emotional, whatever, to be able to just actually speak your truth with less fear for the consequences.

So amen to midlife. And yes, I've always had this mouth, but now to be able to speak on it with things that really matter to me. and having impact, not just for other women my age or even older, but I have a 12-year-old daughter who's watching me. And that has provided immense meaning and even immediacy or urgency to what I speak on and how I speak about it. Can you kind of bridge that gap, though, because so I'm 53 and last year, well, in February, I hit my one year without my menstrual cycle.

And I swear it was overnight. I just think of it. Yeah. It was like some. Yeah, I did celebrate. But there was something that switched in my brain where I really didn't give a fuck. And I think many of us who are there, we get the I don't give a fuck. But then when we're trying to find that voice and share that opinion, we're kind of shaken.

You talk about if you don't say something, you feel it and it affects you physically. But how do we get over that? I just need to say it. And then, you know, after I say it, of course, you know, someone might have an opinion or, you know, I might share something that. someone else might not necessarily agree with. How do you find that? Do you have any tips for us? Listen, that is something that is very deeply conditioned and socialized in us from the time that we are young girls. So I'm not going to sit here and say, just do it and deal with the consequences. This is a societal issue of conditioning girls who become women, who are people pleasers,

who put our own comfort on the backburn. in service of other people's comfort. Like, this is deep stuff that even the highest paid therapist would have a really long and difficult time to unwind. I'm not going to pretend that it's easy. What I can say is that courage, truth, it's a muscle. And for a lot of us, it hasn't been strengthened or supported for most of our lives, as I said, because we are often in service of others. And so when you do it the first time, when you speak up to whoever, whatever the scenario is, it could be at work, it could be to a partner, it could be to a friend. Yeah.

The first time it feels really scary. But I think the good news is it is a muscle that when you do work it, whatever way feels good to you, it does get stronger. And yes, that first time that you get pushback, the first time that someone says, I disagree with you, you're wrong. It actually turns on things in us that we were conditioned from very young to be really afraid of, which is people not liking us. Yeah. That is a very deep thing that we just want to be liked by everybody. And then at a certain point, and I hope midlife is the point, and I wish it wasn't so late in life, is that other people's opinions are none of my business. Yeah.

And that life goes on whether someone likes you or doesn't. Because at a certain point, I hope we realize that my life is not being lived for other people. My life should be being lived in service of me and my purpose and the people that I care about. So it's one thing if someone really close to you that you really respect says you are out of line. You might take it a little seriously and sit with it. That doesn't mean you change your opinion, by the way. Yeah. But that's really different than in this world, for example, of social media where it feels like one negative comment, it feels like 10,000. And that, again, it really pokes at something that is very deeply ingrained in us from girlhood to womanhood. So my point is it's a muscle, courage and bravery and speaking your truth is not easy for women, because that's not how we were raised. But the freedom and liberation of being able to do so and realizing you, survive the next day makes the next time it happens a little less stinging. It stings a little less

and then that muscle becomes, well, wait a second. That is how I feel. So there's truth then. That is my truth. And that's your truth, but your truth shouldn't impact my truth. So it is a practice. It is something that probably takes a lot of time. And it does take some bravery. You know, everyone likes to say, you know, you got to have some balls if you're going to have an opinion put it out there. And I say, no, you don't need balls. We have labia. Okay? And they're, they're hella strong. Okay. So that's what we have. I don't need balls. I love that. I love one of our members is saying, yes, that feeling. I need to say what I'm thinking, whereas before I stayed small and quiet. Do you meditate? Do you like journal? Like, I,

You, how do you manage not being liked? I'm not. You must have your critics. How do you manage that? I'm not, I'm human. Listen, when I first started in television, I've been in television almost 20 years. And so the, this, all this deep woman stuff, it just goes to play on camera. Because now the, the whole, like the public has access to you. And then social media changed that. And then they really, you really feel like they have access to you. And there's really great parts of that. But of course, the negative part of that is when you start to hear. criticism or hate or like, you know, the real ones that people really try to get at you, which is like, oh my gosh, you know, I feel so terrible that your daughter has a mother like you. Like, you know, people go, go there. And sadly, I've grown thicker skin, right? I'm not going to lie and say, oh, I've never cried. This stuff doesn't hurt. Of course it does. Like, we're human. Yeah. But again, we get an knock. We should get inoculated against this stuff. And I don't, I don't actually meditate. I mean, listen, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

manage my anxiety. I've had anxiety on and off since my 20s. So meditation is is not for, like, how do I manage the day? It is really to sort of get grounded and centered. And it's, my practice is patchy at best. So, you know, I try when I, when I can to, to have it more regular. But for me, I have been very blessed. I'm going to give credit to my parents to have a real centeredness about what my moral compass is. I have a very clear sense of what is right and wrong. Yeah. Not that that doesn't change over time and I think we should all have open minds, but I do have a centeredness about me and I think my parents do a really good job of keeping me very centered. I talk a lot about how I was born and raised on a horse farm and every lesson I

needed to know about life I learned with horses and on a farm. And that was, you know, the physical work, worth ethic, self-discipline, all of these things. And so there's no world where my parents would let me sort of start to float and run away with other people's opinions about me or whatever. It was always, who are you? What is your message? What is important to you? That's what actually matters. And so I walk a lot. You know, the gym, that's my church. And so I work out a lot of angst or issues or anxieties in there, but there is a centeredness that I do credit with how I was raised with a strong moral compass. That has never changed. Yeah, I love that. I know this is a bit of a pivot, but you mentioned walking. I know you also share your workouts where, I mean, we are a group of

women trying to just be healthier, not just physically, but mentally, we know we have to move more. We know we have to lift. Do you ever fall off and have a hard time getting back at it? I mean, you make it seem, you're fearless and you make it seem effortless. Is there, is there a time where you struggle and you're just like, fuck it, I'm not doing this today? Of course, of course. I think the difference is I've learned to be a lot gentler with myself about it. I am a recovering perfectionist. A lot of people will understand that. Yeah. And the perfectionism, which is part of the good girl ethos that we're all raised with, part of that is perfectionism. And I think what we've also been raised with, not to let our own selves off the hook for, you know, to be clear,

but I think that it's like if we can't do something perfectly, a lot of us don't want to do it at all. And so it's like if there's a program, if I don't stick to it pedantically, well, then I'm just not going to do it at all. Like there's a real black and white with how I certainly have approached a lot of things in my life. It's like I swing big or I don't swing at all, right? And so I don't have a fear of failure. It's almost like, I know this sounds bizarre. It's like fear of success. Like I know, it's like I'm either going to go whole hog on this or I'm not going to do it at all. Like, what's the point? I've gotten a lot softer with myself in that. And so, yes, I have been that girl most of my life where it's like, it is, I'm hardcore or I'm nothing. I've gotten

softer for things like, you know, like where's when, the other part of this is that it is very habitual, right? Like working out or anything that is important to you, even if it's difficult, it is the repetition that makes it easier over time. And the flip side is, and I'm sure and I hope that your audience will understand that, you know, strength training or exercise or walking or movement, whatever it is, I have never had a workout and felt worse after the workout. Yeah. I only have worked out even when I don't want to and I'm tired and I had a crappy sleep. I only feel better afterwards. And so that feeling of this will only improve my day. It's not going to make it worse. That kind of feeling I have felt over and over and over again. And that helps in the tough mornings when you're like, I didn't

sleep well. I was up late, you know, all of those things. So I'm not perfect, but I have gotten a lot easier with myself to be like, well, if I'm not going to work out today, other other things I can do. The other day I was looking at all the leaves outside. And I was like, okay, I have to do a killer lower body workout today. Girl has got to like kill the leg press today. And then I was looking at the leaves and I was like, nope, you know what we're doing today? My workout, my movement, you know, my sweat equity today is I'm just going to kill my front lawn and my backyard and I sweat my ass off. And I felt so great after I was in the sun. It was a beautiful day. And I was like, well, we didn't do leg day today. Like I wouldn't have done that many, many years ago.

So it is trying to negotiate with yourself in those moments. Overall, my vision is what pushes me in the gym. My vision of how I want to age is what pushes me in the gym. It's no longer just like I want a crop top or crop top in a miniskirt, which, p.S. I do. Yeah, yeah. That's not for everybody, but I do. It's bigger.

It's long term now. It's like, okay, one workout's not going to kill me. But you know what? if I do my leg workout two or three times this week, 80-year-old Melissa's going to be like, yeah, girl, that's what we needed. Good for you for sticking to it. Oh, gosh, I love this so much and thank you for sharing now because I think there's a couple directions I want to go here because I think the standard of what we're seeing on social media is so unachievable, the Stacey Sims of the world, for example, and no disrespect to her, but like we, that's just a far leap for some

of us that are just trying to get to the gym, go out for a walk. So, want to talk about that in a sec. But before, before I do, do you, do you, do you do you do do do you do do therapy or is this just taking what you've learned from all the people you've had an opportunity to speak to? Is this intentional growth like that awareness? Like we're, if you were all or nothing, how did you find the middle? How do it sounds like that's where you're at. Yeah. I think grace. I think wisdom. I think wisdom. I think burnout. I think we start to do we do start to realize again, I hope. And I mean, and I see. say this from a very privileged position, right? So let me just put the caveat to all of that to say

that we as women are carrying so much on our shoulders and some women far more than others. And so even when I speak, I'm aware that things in my life have allowed me to even have the luxury to have options and choices that I even have. Yeah, yeah. You know, do I go to therapy? I'm always in and out of therapy. But I think having a very strong circle of people, around you, like your board of directors of life. Yeah. And for some people, it's friends, for some it's family or a combination thereof. For some people, it's co-workers. For some people, it's your partner. I mean, I hope that you have at least one person that you can bounce things off of who challenge you and all of those things. And I've got such an amazing group of family members

who are all around the same age and a huge group of female friends that were all kind of in the same era. And that is really validating. Because, even when you're, you know, like, where do I get the strength? Where do I have the foresight? We're all going through a lot of stuff. Yeah. And being just validated that. Like, is this normal? Is this not normal? And sharing experiences? It just kind of makes you feel like, okay, well, none of us are alone in this. Thank God. Holy smokes. Because it can feel like that, right? It can feel like that. I think that's women's superpower is our sharing. It is communication. I think it is also normalizing some crazy stuff that is happening in our our life right now. So we're all just trying to do our best with where we are, with what we have.

And I talk a lot. I talk a lot. But I listen equally, I'd like to think. And so the idea of learning from one another, that's also ingrained in us from the Neanderthal era. You know, we were built in community. Yeah. And we are in an era where that's trying to get ripped apart. and I think there's so much to learn and get supported in whatever your journey is, provided you've got some community around you to help you through. Yeah, well, you know what's interesting about that is like, I know there are many women that I've spoken to are kind of transitioning friends where they had friends in their lives and they thought that that was their community. But as they are learning and growing and evolving, that's not the case. And so many women come out to our events who are alone. What I love about it is,

you know, I'll meet, I'll meet two women will come up. I'm like, are you guys best friends, sisters that were like, no, we just met today. And I know it's important to you, community. I want to get your take on understanding what community is because you did kind of an extension of the aging powerfully with Melissa Grello podcast. And you turned that into a real life event. What was your takeaway after that? Very similar to what you just said. I think certainly coming out of COVID is another element to that. Yeah. We lost something and realized how important. it was to us, first of all. And I think layered on with digital life encroaching and really deeply changing and impacting the nature and quality of face-to-face relationships has been another layer to this.

So aging powerfully with Melissa Grello, the retreat, I've done two so far, you know, and that was probably, I would have done more. It was just time. I just needed to clone myself. But to me, I wanted and I was feeling like people wanted to be back together. That is number one. I think going through midlife as a woman can be really isolating. Even if you do have community, we're, you know, hopefully working that muscle of talking about it a little bit more. You know, I'm trying to, you know, maybe I just have to sell merch with like, I have a dry vagina and it sucks, T-shirts. Like, we just have to normalize and just say the thing. Yeah. If it's not a dry vagina, it's like, I think, I think. think I'm losing my mind or why am I filled with rage? Why can't I stand the way my partner

choose? Like, this is all happening and hopefully you've got a community to talk to. But you know what? A lot of people don't. For example, this country, we are geographically very large, very vast. And while the majority of the population does live in large urban centers, we have a lot of people that don't. And so if you are rural, for example, if you are in a remote town, you don't maybe have the luxury of that same community and openness that maybe other people do. And so to have an opportunity to bring people together and just say the things and share. And you're going to realize really quickly, oh my God, A, I'm not alone. Number two, I'm not losing it. We're all kind of feeling away about it. And number three, there is joy in all of this, that it's not all doom and gloom and

that we do have so much to be thankful for and look forward to. And I always say, you know, you can't pour from an empty cup. And because women are so much the center of community and households, you know, if the women in the household is struggling, everyone's going to be struggling. But conversely, if my battery's charged, you all are going to get a better version of me as well. And so having women come together in my retreats, I have found a very similar experience, that there is just connection and an invigoration that we've been missing and reconnecting. And I actually think that is very primal because that's the way humans evolved was together. I think we're tapping into something that we have missed and are missing.

And the current lifestyle is ripping us away from each other when really we should be finding each other. Yeah, a comment here, yes, on the transitioning friends, I'm feeling friendless currently. You have to be intentional about going out and finding your tribe, which means doing new things. I know you're going to be at the National Menopause show. You're going to be hosting the National Menopause show that is taking place this weekend. You've done that for a few years. I actually want to talk about the workout that you're doing. I think with Good Life, like with that intentional in terms of bringing women together, because it can be awkward to go one of these events alone and then strike up conversation. Sure, you can listen to great experts. But I think like working out and moving is a great, great way to meet other women. What was your inspiration behind that? That's a, it's a new added element this year. Yeah, I really pushed for that. I've worked with Good Life for many, many years because they kind of just get women and they get the whole, like, we don't want judgment.

You know, we just want to go and learn and work out. But it's really intimidating. Yeah. It's really intimidating. And I understand gym intimidation is a real thing. And so I had said to Good Life, you know, it would be really great. Why don't we actually do the thing that I'm trying hard to do, which is demystify and uncomplicate this thing called strength training. Everyone's telling us we got to do it, right?

Yeah. And yet, you know, some numbers show that 80 to 90 percent of women, are not strength training. And yet, I bet you almost 100% of us, okay, maybe 99% of us are chasing some dubious supplement. Like, we do want, like, we do want to be healthy, but we're just chasing the wrong things. Yeah. Okay?

Yeah. And that's for different reasons. I'm not judging, you know, because it takes time and effort and education. And it's a whole different thing to add strength training to your life. But it shouldn't be difficult. And quite frankly, it should be so much fun. And that's what I want to do. It's called muscle matters.

It's happening on Sunday. Unfortunately, the session, we only physically have so much space. And all the spaces were filled very fast. But the spirit of it, I want everyone to hear, which is strength training can be super easy to learn, basic stuff to learn. You don't need a fancy gym. If you can't get into a gym with a membership, you can be at home. You can use body weight.

You can use no equipment. You can do cheap stuff that you want to grab on Amazon if you want to like start to level up, whether it's a resistance ban or, you know, some basic dumbbells. Like there's so many workarounds and try to fit it into a way that feels doable for you. Yeah. Because all of our lives are wildly crazy. But it's like investment, investment for your retirement, right? It's like investment into your muscle bank.

Because if you want to live long, healthy lives and who doesn't? Yeah. Obviously. Right. Then strength training is the magic of, you know, it is the fountain of youth. It is not peptides. Sorry, ladies. It is not, I don't care what anybody else says. It's movement and make it fun. It's not hard. I am doing an old school playlist with the Good Life personal trainers. Fun. The routine is bananas fun. It's almost like we're at the club, but we're like doing strength training. And you know, anybody who knows me knows, I was born and

raised by the club. You can take the girl out of the club. You cannot take the club out of the girl. So it's infused in everything I do. When I work out, my list is like, it's straight from Ibiza, 2026. Like, we are banging. It has to be fun or else who wants to do it. Oh, you just, listen, you got us all inspired. Like, just with the energy, obviously, you're super, you're super passionate about that. So, you know, with the time that we have left, I want to talk about your aging powerfully with Melissa Grello podcast, because you could have talked about anything and everything. It could have been aging base. We do. And we are not afraid of hard work, but we feel like we've been working hard and not getting the results. So we would love the quick fix and the supplements or whatever and all that.

Why aging powerfully? Why? It's very deliberate because people often say aging gracefully, that never landed with me. Like, not even from when I was young. Because I was raised to, again, have an opinion and be fierce and be strong and graceful in my mind was like a word that was used for a well-behaved woman. Yeah. There was a modesty to it. There was a decorum about that word, you know, and no knock to anybody who does identify with that. That's great.

That's just not how I would. look at aging because it's so it's just so proper and I'm like not proper like I'm not proper. And so which is why I'm fine not being everybody's cup of tea trust. I am totally fine by that. Yeah. So as I looked ahead in life and thought, how do I want to age? Well, as a woman, it's like we just keep getting told the older we get, the more we are supposed to just hang on the sidelines and like self-erase. Right. And there's this idea. of like, okay, thanks, babe. You could just go over there now.

Yeah. To me, power is empowering. There is an action. There is an occult action when I hear the word power and powerfully. It is agency. It is autonomy. It is proactive. It is not reactive.

It is not weight on the sidelines. It's not pick me, pick me, pick me. It's like we're at an age and stage where I really wish for all women, our whole lives, but certainly now to be unapologetic about how we take a space in this world. Aging powerfully is we're all aging. Like when you're 18, you're aging. Yeah. When you're 49, you're aging because, P.S., that's just what happens.

How we age and how we are expected to age, that's a whole different discussion. And so for me, powerfully, is the antithesis of gracefully because that looks like and sounds like we're following somebody else's rules of how we are supposed. opposed to age. For me, aging powerfully is, it's now time for me to be in the driver's seat, and I dictate where I'm going and how I'm going. Figure out what works for you. What can we expect? You know, I know we have so many people who are familiar with the podcast, but if someone is new to your podcast, what can they expect by listening? This season is really different in many ways. I'm into season four of aging powerfully with Melissa Grotto, and seasons one to three has been

a lot of education. I'm a former teacher, and so once a teacher, always a teacher. And in fact, I think you're actually a consummate student and professional student your whole life. That's where my curiosity comes from. It's where my journalism comes from. So seasons one to three were largely education. And it was just really trying to understand the still burgeoning, emerging world of perimenopause and menopause and strength training and nutrition and all of the changes, which I am so happy to have played a very small role in what has been this explosion of information when it comes

to the midlife transition and menopause being a part of that. And so luckily, that's great. we've we've kind of moved the dial slightly there. Unfortunately, with education has also come almost in equal parts, miseducation, misinformation. And so season four, you're going to slow, I'm only just starting the season, but I've already pre-recorded the majority of the episodes.

And I have got scientists, social scientists, et cetera, researchers, and I've got the experts talking about the epidemic of misinformation because with menopause has become the commercialization of menopause. And it's also become this like mass bamboozlement of women in a very vulnerable time in our lives. And like I'm sick of it. I'm just so sick of it. I've been a victim of it. I see what it can do to people.

And I'm just not having it. And I think that education is the antidote to all of that. I think if you give women great science, we can make decisions for ourselves. So challenging and understanding red flags with who you can trust, who you cannot trust, what information and how, to develop medical literacy and a little bit of scientific literacy is going to go a long way when so many of us are getting health information online especially. It's exhausting. Listen, a lot of people are making money and capitalizing off of menopause specifically.

And listen, I'm all for entrepreneurs and people making money and making a living. That's not it. But when we are on social media and we're scrolling through and someone has a lot of followers, they seem pretty credible. And I want to get that information, but what they're giving me in a soundbite. And I think the problem is that the real information takes longer to explain.

Like, you're not going to get it in a soundbite. How do you discern, how does someone discern from what is correct information and what is misinformation? It's hard. It is hard, but it doesn't have to be. I think it sounds slick and sound by. really do sound slick, absolutely. I understand I've been on that side before. I think, unfortunately, people don't also like to hear the same old boring story. And usually the new flashy

toy gets the attention. So what do I mean by that? People are majoring in the minors, right? So we're on the fringes here talking about cold plunges and peptides and infrared and what's the supplement. Those are fringy things because the basics are what always have and will continue to work. But they don't have a PR agency behind them, right? You can't bottle strength training in a pill. Boring. You can't, you know, like how many times do we have to say eat well, move your body, reduce stress? And everyone's like, oh, my God, that's so boring.

Yeah, guess what? Boring works. It just doesn't have a really good marketing campaign behind it. So I think for me, the way that I've approached all of this is there's always the idea or the novelty factor when you hear something new online or somebody feels like they've got a secret they're letting you in on. Chances are that's not true. Anytime the red flags are, here's what somebody won't tell you. Here's what someone's hiding from you. Here's the real secret. And I and I alone have it. That's not. actually how science works. Yeah. And the science has been proven over and over with really simple stuff. Don't over complicate health. It's not that difficult. You move, whatever that looks like to you, you try to put more veggies and fruits on your plate, you try to have good people around you. Try to do whatever you can to protect your sleep. I mean, that's it. I don't know how you sell that

and then become like a multi-millionaire. Oh, I know. I know. Make fake claims and then put it on a supplement. Like, it's just, it's, it's, it infuriates me. Because I get why we slip into, oh, that's so good. I got to get that thing. I have been there and I have wasted time.

I have wasted money, hard-earned money. And I just won't stand to see other people do it to other women. Well, you've sold us on boring. But I'm sure your podcast and your conversations are far from boring. And so this is where people can get credible information. Obviously, we're big on, you know, talk to your, work with your health care providers, talk to your doctors, your pharmacists, your therapist and all of that. I know this is one of the reasons why you partnered with the National Menopause Show, because I know Angela and she was very much, we need to have, like I, she,

she asked me to do a presentation. She's like, you can't be on the main stage. You're not a doctor. I love you, but no. And I actually had a lot of respect for her on that, because you're right. I stay in my lane i i am not a doctor and i know this is one of the reasons that credibility is so important with you in the menopause show so thank you for that because you're fighting a good fight before we go today i want to talk about can i share speaking of secrets you said that you've got a big announcement that you are making on at the menopause show and we followed you we know you recently left the social this very show that you had a major hand in creating that you know that that that must have been a major transition for you. You have this super successful podcast. What is next for you? What's next for you?

What, what can I not do? I feel so, I feel like I am so energized about this next phase in my life. I am, I am so jacked and stoked because I have a little booklet and it's where I just write all of my ideas of everything I want to do. Okay. And I just, every day, I am, it's just getting getting filled and filled and filled. There's so much I want to do. And so I just have to slow my role. Slow your roll, Grello. Okay. One thing at a time. So I'm going to be making a really exciting announcement and showing this announcement on Saturday morning and on Sunday morning. So whoever is watching who's going to be at the show, I hope you're there right from the jump because I'll be kicking off both days in the morning with my announcement showing my announcements.

Okay. And then Gina, you'll be looking. out in your inbox in the next few months for more information. Okay. This exciting announcement. I am being so cheeky on purpose because I can't say anything yet. I'm not allowed. I mean, otherwise, I'm like, listen, I blurt everything out. Like, I should be just telling you, but I'm not allowed yet.

Okay. I'm not allowed yet. But when I do release this information, I'm going to be doing cartwheels. And not for me personally, even though I'm really excited about it. I think it's going to be something for every single woman who is watching and listening. just for their own personal education. And it's fun. And you're having fun with it.

You're having fun with that. Okay, well, I'm intrigued. If you want to follow Melissa Grello, let's get her details up. We're going to put information on where to get tickets for the menopause show so you can go and see her live and her announcement and also take part in the show and meet other women and listen to incredible speakers. But you can follow Melissa's podcast, aging powerfully with Melissa Grello on any podcast platform. If you want to check out her Instagram account under the same name,

aging powerfully with Melissa G. M.G. Yep. M. You got it. It's early. She's got a long name too. Yeah.

You can, if you're not already doing it, follow her on Instagram at Melissa Grell. Thank you so much for taking the time with us today. If I can leave you with some final words to our audience, women who are really trying hard to do it the right way. We are here to do the work, physically, mentally, change is very difficult. So if you can leave us with some final words, maybe words of wisdom, support, something. I mean, you've already given us so much. I hate to ask for more,

but I'm going to. I think it is, don't be so hard on yourself. Oh, gosh. You know, change can come slowly. I also think that there's a lot of joy that we're not just meant to wake up, work, pay the bills and go back to bed. And I think, if you can infuse meaning and joy in your life and whatever that looks like for you, that's going to just help us get through this period even stronger. And hopefully surround yourself with people who make you feel good and support you. And all you need is one good friend. That's it.

You might have a village. And if you do, you're very lucky to have that. But social connection is really, really important all this. And ultimately, joy. I'm so glad I asked. Melissa Gala, thank you so much. Everyone joining us live or listening after the fact. We appreciate you.

Have a great day and we'll see you next time. Thank you.