The Livy Method Podcast - Your brain is trained for food noise.

Episode Date: April 23, 2026

Why do we have food noise in the first place?!Gina Livy sits down with clinical psychologist Dr. Beverley David to explore how the brain’s need for reward, feedback, and emotional support influences your habits and motivation to make change. Feeling bored or restless isn’t a sign that something isn’t working, but a normal part of the process of change. This conversation connects the science of behaviour change with the realities of sustainable weight loss, reinforcing that it is about building awareness and continuing to show up even when it feels repetitive (in fact, building new habits is exactly how you rewire your brain!). Finally, Gina and Dr. Beverley dig into what nobody is talking about: where does food noise come from anyway?Dr. Beverley is a Clinical Psychologist registered with the College of Psychologists of Ontario. She also holds a Ph.D. in Sleep Research (Insomnia) and a Master's in Health Psychology.You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodspring2026To learn more about The Livy Method, visit livymethod.com.Find Dr. Beverley:https://www.yourpsychologycentre.ca/@drdrbeverley Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm going to be honest with you, this podcast is unapologetically a hot mess because that is what midlife feels like sometimes. Why, though? And how do we make it better? Do we all just need facelifts and gLP ones? I mean, let's talk about it. No bullshit, no wellness wangery here because we're trying to make real change and change is hard. But we're in this together. Welcome to the Livy Method podcast.

Dancing already. I was just fixing the chair because my freaking kids keep coming down and sitting in my own. office and everything gets moved around. And I got this like white carpet that no one is allowed to go on because, um, because it's a white carpet. You know, I'm right. Because I, you know, I have four kids, right. Like I had to get like a dark navy blue couch that you can watch, wash that when they barfed on it, shit on it, you know, all the things. Right. And now I, I just want everything white to calm my mind, except they're still home. And I...

So your mind is not calm. So I got like a corner and they're infiltrating it. They're getting it. But it's cozy. It's a cozy corner. They're going to encroach on the cozy corner. I nearly got up to dance too.

Isn't that funny how humans copy humans? Because I didn't know what you were doing, but I was like, oh, I might get up too? Okay. All right. Yeah, I was just, you know, I was just talking behind the scenes about my new art. Beautiful. And yeah, I've been, I've been reading about novelty and how novelty is so important because it can put you in a fresh state of mind.

Right. It's kind of like, you know, you live in your environment. You go away on vacation. You feel fantastic. But then you come right back into your same environment. It's like dirty fishbow. Right? It's like you have a fish, you take it out of its tank, and you put it in a nice clean bowl of water, and then you just put it right back in the dirty fish bowl again. But it got me thinking, what's the difference between needing novelty and starting over? Because the reality is we're trying to reach this goal. We have to do the same old shit. You got to eat healthy, move your body, manage your stress, get your sleep. But we want this kind of fresh and new, you know, excitement. and motivation.

How do we navigate that? It's a really good question because probably lots of us humans will notice that we do that. And we are driven on reward. You know, there's these different parts of our brain. And sometimes I'll break it up into three little animals. I'll say we've got our little reptilian brain, which is basic needs. It's like on the lookout for, am I safe? Am I okay?

Am I fed? And I water? like a really like quick lizard brain. Then we've got our mouse brain. And the mouse brain, if we think of psychological theories, is related to skin as rats. The reward, we actually really do like reward. So we want to be thinking, am I doing well today?

Have I made my bed today? Have I got that email today? And the third part of our brain is the monkey brain, the attachment. Am I feeling supported? Am I feeling like I have unconditional love around me? Am I worthy? Do I feel worthy and loved?

But that little mouse really does like feedback. Okay, so anybody that says, oh, I don't need, I don't need somebody to say, well done, or I don't need to say, but we do, we really do. And so that novelty is probably part of that loop, the loop of, am I doing it, am I doing it? And now when we're in this era, and probably lots of your members have heard about, like, weight training and adapting, we have to change in order. to change. We need to move into that uncomfortable in order to adjust. So if we're building weights in our arms and our legs, once it starts getting easier, we want to load up because we

want to put a little bit more need on our body. We're asking more of our bodies so that it can change. If we do the same, it doesn't need to change. And actually humans don't like that. We do get bored. We do get complacent. We do feel a bit. fidgety. It's like the seven-year-rich. It's like we just want something else. So be aware of that. Think, is that in your history? Do you like spring, you know, spring cleaning? Do you like that freshness? And what does it serve for you? What does it do for you? And see if you can bring it to the program. I think, okay, is it happening now? Is it happening now? And what can I do instead of maybe the behaviors that we've done before. Like, oh, it's not working for me.

Yeah. Not seeing the things. Yeah. Those automatic, oh, well, I failed. And then we opt out to think, okay, I'm going to anticipate it. And I'm going to be ready for that boredom or that discomfort. I'm ready to change. Okay. That was done. I'm not actually in it in it all. I'm making notes. Okay, first of all, the program works. That's it. The program works. So you don't have to believe in that because the program works. There is science. There is research. There is focus groups. There are surveys. There is proof in the pudding. It works. I love the change because you have to make change to change. And so we start with that basic food plan. And then we make changes to it that challenge the body physically, mentally. Then you change. You change physically and mentally.

And each week we're kind of building on that. And then each program or each round of the live session, you're also building on that. Right. So the program stays the same, but you keep changing. So I just want to frame that for people. I love what you said about feedback. We need feedback. But it is the diet industry is fucked up right now.

We can't give people feedback. We can't comment on people's bodies. Right? Like I saw a woman on the weekend. She's like, I've lost like 34 pounds and my husband has said nothing. You know, my friend, you know, there was someone I talked to, before they lost 80 pounds and their best friends said nothing. Like we're not allowed to comment on people's bodies anymore.

So how do we get that feedback in a way that like serves us? Do you know what I mean? Like I guess that's why you have a group like this where we have community and we have support. But when we're constantly looking for that feedback and then we don't give it to ourselves, Dr. B, because we're so hard on ourselves, all we see that if the scale isn't moving, day forward to the program, I'm doing something wrong or I'm not good enough or I'm not working hard enough or whatever that is.

Right. So that's tough. Oh, gosh. That that is tough. And you brought up a lot of interesting points there because are we, you know, when we're thinking about this, are we looking for other people to tell us how we look or are we looking for how we feel about how we look? Because we're damned if we do.

We're damned if we don't. If somebody says we look good and we don't feel it, we're not going to believe them. anyway, or we go into like fast track. I could look better or something like that. Or what did I look like before? We're so full of thought that it's just, it's almost like a trap. And then if they don't say anything, then we're like, is anything happening? Do I look different?

I feel different. And so we've got to decide how we want to feel about this journey. Is it an intrinsic reward we're going to be looking for? Is that going to be, I am no. that I move through the day more fluidly. I'm noticing that the food noise isn't as loud. I'm noticing that I went for that walk and it was really easy and I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

Like what are the intrinsic non-scale victories that you already want to notice? Because again, that's probably old scripts. And when we think back of how have we arrived where we are today and this week, what have we got in our suitcase of history and historical moments of the diet history, do we think it's all about the weighing scale? And immediately, hopefully everybody that's listening is realizing it's not. The Gina is urging you to just tear up that belief quite quickly so that we can start something new. It's not about that number. That number is data. That number is going to help you understand the ebb and the flow. It's going to

probably have the a-hara of, wow, I didn't know my weight can go up and down in a week and up and and up and down in a month and up and, it's, it can be really interesting. But if we have held that belief that that number equals my self-worth or that number equals success or that number equals failure, we're missing the opportunity because that probably is the beliefs that stopped us in the past or made us feel bad about ourselves in the past. And then those feelings and thoughts are going to likely lead to a behavior. Did we give up? Did we think sod it?

Did we think, okay, it's not working anyway. I'm just, you know, fixed mindset. I'm just destined to be this way or I'm never going to be able to change. And that's going to be the block. I like Danielle's here. I don't give a flying rat's ass what other people think or I don't think of my progress. I know the work that I put in and the changes I've. made and I've worked through the fields.

They don't get to come in and ask what I've been doing. That's my business. And so that's where we want to get to, right? But when we're unsure, we're looking for that validation. Like we just, maybe you just don't, you don't, like if I ask you today, like hands up the people who 100%, you're going to reach your goals. Like you just know it. You know you're going to be here at the end.

You know you're going to be. And this is not, I'm not asking for wishful thinking and manifesting. I'm asking, sit with it. Maybe I should calm the fuck down and people can like take a minute and pause. Let's like take a minute right now and be like, do I, can I say 100% that I believe that I will be here at the end of this program, that I will get to the end of my journey, where I will be able to lose my weight and I've made the change that I need to make to live differently to be able to maintain and sustain my weight.

How many people in their soul, in your body right now are like, you bet your life on it, right? Yeah. I want to believe. I'm not sure. And I'm going to just use myself. There's things that I want to accomplish in my life. I am so optimistic and hopeful. And yet there's a part of me that is constant doom and gloom.

And am I worthy? And is this going to happen for me? And so it's that piece, right? A lot of us can't put our hand up. we would like, we hope, we're manifesting, but we're not sure. So there's that underlying. And that's where that feedback, like the more people reassure you or you're like, when someone says, hey, you look good or have you lost weight. You're like, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's hard. We want to get to where Danielle is, but there's a big gap. Yeah. And I wonder,

I wonder what happened for Danielle to get there because sometimes it's, our age, it's our maturity, it's that we've seen enough life, it's that we've stopped caring about what everybody else thinks and started to think, okay, how do I feel, how do I want to move through the world? Why am I here? And we want to take the focus off, like I know we're focusing on it at the moment, but eventually we want the focus to be allowed to expand your world so that it's not all about what you eat, when you eat, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now we want you to be thinking, how do I feel? How am I moving? Where do I want to go? What are my goals? What are my bigger goals that this has been in the way for so long? You know, you can do hard things.

Yes. And actually, this isn't as hard as you think. It's just turning up and deciding, I'm going to be mindful. I'm going to be curious. I'm going to be compassionate. I'm going to be loving to my body. Because most of us, if we're honest, have come from a place where we're not talking kindly to our body. We're not talking kindly to what we think we look like. We might not even be able to look at ourselves in the mirror, which is devastating. But I want you to start thinking, you are really precious. You are the only you on this planet. And we want to look after you so that you can enjoy it and be with people and experience the fast joys of the world. Instead of dimming your light, hiding in the shadows, minimizing yourself. We

can do this. Yeah. Yeah. But it does all come from what we've experienced, what we've grown up with, what we've heard, what we've seen, what we've been told, because we carry a history with us. You know, there'll be things that have worked, there's things that haven't. There's been times where we felt in control, but it feels like we haven't. We've had messages from our family, our coaches, our doctors, our culture, you know,

and these very quickly lead to beliefs. okay and those are those beliefs that maybe somebody will have i know i'm going to finish this program that's a belief if we know we can some of us will be like oh i think i'm going to struggle in the middle and the thing is what we put out there it often happens you know so notice your thoughts notice your your your the words that come up you know i always fall off track i can't trust myself when i go to that thing and then think i'm starting afresh you know i i don't want to be a foregone conclusion. Just my history doesn't disqualify me from my future. I want you to be thinking, let's go. Let's go. This is new. This is novel. This is exciting. And I want you to grab it by the reins.

Yeah. But also you're allowed to have off days, feel overwhelmed. Second guess it. When you when you talk about that, like women, especially, and there's a lot of women here, there's men too, of course, which everyone is welcome. But we are kind of taught to be selfish, right? Prioritize everyone else's needs above our own. We feel we carry so much guilt. Like half the weight we carry is not our physical weight. It's, it's our mental weight, right? It's hard. The diet industry tells us that it's impossible to lose weight, right? Especially unless you take GLP-1s now, and it's impossible to maintain your weight unless you continue to take GLP-1s. And GLP-1s can be a game changer for people. But this program worked long before GLP ones came along. We're taught that it should just be easy and you just eat less, exercise more.

And, you know, if you cannot maintain your weight, that's willpower and that's your fault. And there's like so much you, you, you, unless you're perfect, it's not worth doing. And, you know, like it's, it's like the living method I've given people all the resources. I'm like, here's all the things you can do. And yet people feel that they don't do all of them, it's not worth doing. Like, for example, I had. someone reach out to them. They're just like, I just can't. I don't have, I don't have time for this right now. And it's just not a good time in my life. It's never a good time. But why can't you do some of the things that will help you manage your stress during this stressful time, remind you

to prioritize yourself when you are caring for others? Like, we just can't see that because we're still focused on the scale. It's that if, if, you know, if I'm not losing weight on the scale, I'm not doing it Right. And it's not worth doing. And that's a lot, Dr. B, fuck. It's amazing. Any of us are successful around here because that's a lot already that we're up against. And I don't want to be a downer conversation. I'm just like, let's highlight the shit out of all of it. Yeah. I want people to know, you got this. You will reach your goals. But let's be aware that, hey, this is not an easy thing. Yeah. And it's so, it's so lovely that you're inviting everybody right at the beginning to be thinking about their thoughts and their feelings because most people don't ask do they they don't say okay

how are you feeling on prep week you know we just do it and we don't think because we're often very personal we personalize our problems we think it's just us we think it's just us that thinks oh i don't know whether i'm going to manage that and i don't know whether and because i've got that thing coming up we think we're alone in that and this is so refreshing to think we will all be thinking and feeling and doing something differently this week and next week and for the next weeks that we all together. And that's all right. But we've got to just start noticing it so that it's that curiosity to think, okay, you know, how did I feel when I went out to the shops and I was moving a little bit differently around the store? How did I feel like when I filled up my water?

Everybody knows I drink hot water. How am I feeling about the lives? Am I disheart? Am I disheart? or am I encouraged? I notice our feelings so that then we can map on what comes next. Once we felt that, how did I then behave? Did I have a skip in my step? Or did I slow down and my body language sort of my shoulders dropped? And I thought, no, it's not for me. It's not the time.

And then catch that because we know that that happens. Our brain fights change sometimes because it likes to feel safe and comfortable and cozy and I'd rather not be, you know, put myself in that new situation. But it's a trap. It's a trick. So when your brain does that to you, interpret that as it's working. Yes. Your brain is trying to keep you hostage.

So when it says, oh, you can't do it. You can't do it. Say, yes, I can. Watch me. Watch me fill my water bottle tomorrow morning. Watch me fill it the next day. Watch me fill it the next day. And I'll show you I can do the small things that stack up.

because I love that you're encouraging people to start anywhere. You know, we don't have to suddenly be able to do absolutely everything. That's overwhelming. We don't do that at school. You don't start university and have your final exam on day one. It takes time. Driving, when we're learning to drive, it takes time to know. How do we focus on mirrors?

How do we manage gears? Know that when we are learning, it doesn't just happen overnight. change takes time. I'm thinking about other diets. Let's take a minute and think about other diets that you did, where you just starved yourself, you ate less, you tried to exercise more, you counted, you weighed, you'd measure. There was no rhyme and reason to it.

It was just chaotic, right? Some days you starved yourself perfectly and other days you did the opposite. But think about the routine and the structure and the system behind the method, even if you half-assed the whole thing. You know, you're still going to end up further ahead, right? Like, if you can't do all the things, that's okay.

If you're trying to not do the things and control it and switch things up and do your own thing, you might be like, why am I doing that? Right? Like taking this program that is because I'm afraid that it's not going to work or like, what is that about it? There's so many levels to doing this program and it's all worth doing. And it's not about doing more. it's about understanding what you need to do.

Like maybe this isn't the season, the spring season for you to be stressing about your foods. You just need to like manage your stress, try to get better sleep. Like maybe you've got so much going on in your life right now. Maybe all you've got to do is just show up and be part of a community and feel like you're not alone, right? And that's spending time to think,

I wonder what's getting in the way. Oh, that spending time just going, I want this thing, but what is getting in the way? Am I going to sleep after midnight and having less than five hours and then expecting myself to be all cylinders running the next? Am I setting myself up for success or is this really difficult? You know, is there anything that I could adjust in my day or can I clear some time? What can I do to help myself?

Because there's often things, isn't there? with. Well, there's things, Dr. B. We know there are things. Like, staying up last night to what I'm, I'm watching this new series from, you know, and my son walks into the room, he's like, oh, hi, TV people. I'm like, oh, yeah, you're right.

What a rascal. You know, and he's off painting or whatever he's doing in his evening, and we're fucking tired. I'm with you all, right? I just want to say that to everyone. I'm tired this week. I love what I do. I'm excited to be here. I'm tired. I'm tired about, is it going to work for people? I know it's going to work.

Am I good enough for people? Are they going to like me? Are they going to quit because of me? You know, are people reaching their goals? Like, I just want to say, like, I'm, I'm right here with you. And I've done this. This is my 30th, 31st, who knows, program. I've been helping people lose weight for 30 years. I'm really good at this. Like, if there's one thing I am good at, it is helping people lose weight and keep that off and make change. But I'm full of doubt this week. I don't know, right? So I just, I just want to share with you as, as you're unsure, and you want to do it perfectly same, right? But I'm also a hot mess. I'm a hot mess behind the scenes.

Like I'm, we all have different goals, but we're all kind of having this. Is it universal the fields that we all have, Dr. B? Well, going right back to the beginning, sometimes we think we're to change it. You know, sometimes, even with psychology when I think, okay, this is what I'm teaching the person or this is what I'm teaching the family or support. I'm like, this is simple. This is simple. maybe I need to make it a little bit shinier.

Or maybe I need to like, but there's evidence-based methods. And they're there because they work. But we start thinking, is it hard enough? Should I make it harder? Because, you know, sometimes we think things have to be hard to be doing it. You know, I have so many younger clients to think if I haven't worked to the, you know, 24 hours a day, I haven't studied hard enough. But that's not true.

You know, we need to just study differently. But that might be it. It's that, am I an imposter? Am I still making change for people? I want to. Do I need to rev it up and modernise it and make it a little bit twinkly? Do I need to get, you know, the new white rug? But actually, the formula works.

Just like you've said, the formula works. And now, thankfully, you've just expanded so that you can reach more people. The formula is the same. The method is the same. The message is the same. the science that backs it up is reliable. It keeps on telling you the same information. So you also have to trust your process and trust yourself.

And we'll feel it. We'll feel that trust. But yes, you're there. I'm there. People are there at the start of things. You know, we might people, people even, you know, turn up for the first day at university and suddenly think I shouldn't be here. I'm in the wrong place.

How did I get here? Right. You know, did they pick the wrong person? Did they read the wrong application? we have self-doubt. And then again, one step at a time, pick that one thing, know why you're here, learn, rewind and think what did get me here? What are those, what's the history I come with? What is my brain predicting? Because that's, am I going to do this? Okay, notice any patterns that show up, because sometimes they're sneaky. Okay, so we want to go, aha, I just fell into an old pattern.

or I fell into an old groove. And they can happen anyway, you know, because we're creatures of habit. I was in hospital with my mum. And that feeling somehow I was in front of the vending machine. And I was like, that's interesting. And this is not what I normally do. But something there was like, oh, this is all I can get. Or this is how I feel like I need something like, you know.

But I was aware. And I was curious and thinking, isn't that interesting? And it doesn't mean I didn't then buy my Snickers. It was just I was aware of it. So it just wasn't autopilot. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Right?

That's what we're doing to all of our new members who are joining in. And you're probably like, oh, my God, these conversations, they're never what you think they are going to be. There's so much better. It's all awareness, right? Like this is what this is. It is all aware. There's no to do list for you today.

Right? We're not adding more on your plate. This is awareness. I hope that you've been like, oh, oh, oh, yeah. Oh, one of the things I do want to get into, and we don't have time for it today, maybe you can touch on it, is food noise. Everybody is talking about food noise, right? That constant chitter-chatter in your brain about food, because for so many of us,

it's been tied into our weight. Like, there are people here who feel like they've been dieting their entire lives. So their brain is wired around trying to lose weight, food is bad. They're overeating, under eating. That creates a lot of food noise with how our brain gets wired. Maybe rather than what to do about it, can we talk about why we have it? No one is talking about why we have food noise. And when they talk about obesity as a disease, I think people are just like, oh, this comes

with obesity as a disease. When there is something you can do about the food noise and the way your brain is wired without taking a GLP1. And if you are taking a GLP1, there is something you can do so that when you stop taking that GLP1, you are aware and you are addressing and you are changing that food noise. I know that's a lot. I just, I've been wanting to talk about this. I should have led with this, but you're going to be back. So we'll talk more about this next time you're here. Well, let's all think about it. If we have been depriving our body, of course, course our brain is going to shout at us to eat.

It's going to, our body needs food. It needs energy. It needs nutrition. So when we are taking it into a state of deprivation and then instability, it's going to start firing the alarm. And that, once we've practiced it, you know, I've got food. I haven't got food. Now I have food.

I don't have food. The noise is going to start being constant. Look out for food. don't have the food. I'm hungry. If you're hungry all of the time, your brain's going to tell you and you're going to be very hypervigilant on food and when to eat it, what to eat it or not to eat it, and it's just going to become hardwired. Now, you're going to create some uncomfortable moments for people where we're like, wow, Gina's asking us to eat more. Gina's asking us to fuel our body

and Gina's asking us to like sit and enjoy it and notice what we're eating. This is going to be weird for some people because they're not going to trust it. They're going to go, no, no, no, this formula doesn't work. Eating is bad like you just said. But actually what we hope is you're going to very quickly notice that fueling your body helps the noise go away

because your body doesn't have to go, feed me, feed me. it's going to start feeling satisfied and energized and comfortable. And it's going to start feeling safe. And that's what your brain probably hasn't felt for a very long time. It hasn't felt safety. And so that little reptile has been shouting at you. And then we crave things.

Of course we do because we're so hungry. And then we have it. And then we are guilty. Why are we guilty? We've just fed our body. But we may have picked the thing that we didn't mean to pick. we get more of the thing. We are just responding to the fire alarm. So we are now teaching your body how to stay calm, how to have the safety, how to have the predictability so that the noise

can start tuning down. It's there for a very good reason. And so as you notice it, start to quiet. And I hope you start feeling like, wow, this is really lovely because now I can tune into other things. I am so glad I asked that question. You're basically hardwiring your brain for food noise and you have been. Some of us, but it feels like our entire lives with all this dieting that we have done, which is already built on our bodies need to look for food because that's like we need to eat to survive.

That is absolutely fucking brilliant. we needed to say that out loud. We need to understand that that is how we're, I'm sure everyone right now is like, oh, well, shit. That makes sense. It's like a petrol light, isn't it? The petrol light is going to come on. And if you're always on nearly empty, it's always on.

Okay. And so we want to now be finding that new level. We want to find that beautiful level where your car is running well with a good quality fuel, you know, and start noticing how you feel about that. But notice that your brain will fight it because it will have the old scripts of, I don't believe this yet.

I don't believe this formula. I don't believe eating more is going to lead to my goals. But it will. It will because our body needs food. There's no doubt about it. We can't get away. We can't live without food. We can't live without sleep.

We have these basic needs that, they are met, we can level up that self-actualization once that is met. We can be creative. We can be interesting. We can be funny. We can be, we can just, we can be instead of just going through the motions. You are coming. This is a group and a membership of you becoming who you always were supposed to be.

And it's just really annoying that the world has sold you all. of these stories. And I, and I'm with you. Like, I know the stuff and I will still catch myself going, no, no, no, that's bad for me. And then I, what? Where did that come from? Where did that belief that avocado was bad for me? And now that is not bad for me. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, better not eat fruit. It's got, it's my sugar. Like, what the heck? Okay. I adore you. I love this conversation. And this way, we want to have fun. Listen, we can have hard, serious conversations. We can. We can, self-reflect. We can call ourselves out, but we can also be kind and compassionate and supportive. And this is what it's all about. I just wanted before we go, tie this into the food

plan where one of the reasons that we're eating so often is, yes, to spread out those larger meals to keep your, you know, your blood sugar levels a little lower to decrease that insulin. Also, you know, you know that next meal or snack is coming down the pipeline with eating so often. And even if you're not hungry, you still have to have that token amount so that you don't have to deal with, well, what if? And I didn't eat and any of those things, right? Creating that routine of the food plan is like your body's like, well, shit, I just keep getting, I don't even have time to worry because I just keep getting all this good food. And your brain is actually wired to look to what's the next. It's coming. What's the next? It's coming.

What's the next? So even if you can't have a meal or snack for whatever reason, you know you could. And you can. Right. So you're going from a scarce. mindset to holy fuck i get to eat like six times a day right and i know that can be inconvenient and hard to fit in all your meals and snacks but it's okay it allows your brain to be like oh i can have food if i want food right so all right dr beverly david i adore you i just am excited about this conversation it never gets old no never gets old you can follow dr beverly on Instagram, Dr. Dr. Beverly. Or you can reach out to her if you're interested in working with her or her team at Your PsychologyCenter.a. She's going to be, of course, back.

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