The Livy Method Podcast - Your WHY will carry you when motivation won't.

Episode Date: May 11, 2026

In this raw and relatable Mindset Monday conversation, Gina Livy and Maintenance Program Manager Odette open up about the reality of navigating weight loss, wellness, grief, stress, travel, family struggles, and everyday life all at the same time. From broken toes at a dance party to conference food (so many sandwiches) to emotional triggers around Mother’s Day and mental health challenges within the family, Gina and Odette remind you that feeling thrown off doesn’t mean you’re failing. This episode is about resilience, mindset, sustainable weight loss, and learning how to keep showing up for yourself even when life feels messy, emotional, and far from perfect.This episode aligns with day 22 of our Spring 2026 maintenance program. You can find the full video hosted at:https://www.facebook.com/groups/ginalivymaintenanceandmindfulnessTo learn more about The Livy Method and our Maintenance & Mindfulness group, visit livymethod.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm going to be honest with you, this podcast is unapologetically a hot mess because that is what midlife feels like sometimes. Why, though? And how do we make it better? Do we all just need facelifts and gLP ones? I mean, let's talk about it. No bullshit, no wellness wankery here because we're trying to make real change and change is hard. But we're in this together. Welcome to the Living Method podcast.

Hello and happy Monday. Hello. I'm trying to move spots. I thought I would, I'm away. I'm in the Cotswolds right now. So if anyone is tuning in and we just got to where we are staying this little cottage and I'm just trying to find the right spot. Wi-Fi seems good.

Seems a little dark. You don't want to. It's fine. Yeah? I don't. Yeah. It's fine. Yeah.

I'll just walk you around. Is that better? Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Your arms are going to get sore, though, holding your. Yeah. Holding. That's how it's like, we're totally.

in the country. But, you know, it got me thinking how there's always something. There's always something to get in the way. I'm going to cop a squat right with us later. There's always something messing you up. So, Tony and I, we just got back. We were away at a business thing where we were traveling all week. And it's, sorry, that's going to sound great on the podcast.

We were away all week. So one we, the one day we went, first of all, we had to travel. It was a road trip, right? We forgot our snacks, had to stop, get something to eat. It's so tempting to eat something crappy McDonald's Tim Horton. It's not that it's crappy, but, you know, when you're on a role of feeling really good, you can very quickly go from feeling amazing to like, oh, my gosh. And then we went golfing one day, and again, they had sandwiches.

That was it. And then we got right into conferences. and more sandwiches. So many fucking sandwiches. And, you know, I'm trying to eat the middle of the sandwich and trying not to be weird. And like, I'm hungry. So I have three large sandwiches piled up on my plate.

But I don't want to eat the bread, but I also don't want to starve. And so there I am trying to eat the middle part of the sandwich. And, you know, hey, does anyone want my extra bread? And then traveling home. And then, you know, lucky me, I got to do this turnaround. And now I'm away working on this book. which I'm very grateful. I'm not complaining, but I just went, I felt like a fucking rock star two weeks ago.

And now I'm just like, feel like I'm constantly trying to, but that is not just how it is sometimes. It is how it is sometimes. You know, I was feeling really great and so excited to come into this weekend of Mother's Day and being spoiled. And, you know, like Saturday, we were out Saturday night at this dance party, which we have to talk about because, I mean, we just. talk about community so much, but this, we have to talk about this dance party. But anyways, so I was out until, you know, I didn't get home until after one in the morning. Yeah. And then I got up yesterday. I'm like, it's Mother's Day. I'm going to be spoiled. And I didn't, I wasn't ready for the emotional heaviness of having that first Mother's Day without my sister and with, and with her, like, talking to her family and then talking to my mom. And I thought, I would got up, I got up ready for

this amazing day. And I, and I, I was spoiled. Like I was spoiled. My family took care of me and we did all the things I wanted to do and nobody complained. But yeah, like there is always something. You're like, I'm going to have this amazing time. I feel so good coming into it. I feel so good leading up to it. And then I'm going to continue and have this great day. And then I'm like, oh, this is something. You know, it is always something. There's something there. There's a feeling that's going to happen. There's an emotion that's going to come up. there maybe it's like I don't know I didn't say anything to anybody but I actually broke my baby toe two weeks ago what yeah and I'm like I'm gonna go to this dance party anyway is that why you were crying

the whole time yeah I was trying the whole time that was part of it my I did my shoes up really tight I stubbed it and I was like I'm gonna I'm not gonna say anything because I don't want to be like talked out of it I like I don't want to talk myself out of it anyway so yeah that's the thing like okay well what am I going to do I'm really looking forward to this event I'm just going to go with my broken toe and like yeah maybe I can feel my best but I'm going to figure out a way to make it work and it was actually was fine it was good I didn't I you know I wanted to go but then of course like I was tired the kids had a lot going on we've got my oldest daughter is going through like a mental health spiral she's got severe mental health issues and right now she is completely off

the rails and it's so hard for the whole family like she kind of lives in her own like world and like she's just in this trying to take everybody down and it's just it's so hurtful to everybody. We understand it in one sense and that it's just so hurtful in another sense. And it's also the timing with the kid's dad passing away the 26th is the date. And then of course, Mother's Day. And there's so much going on. And I was driving down there and it was raining.

And I was like, oh, the fuck am I doing it. It was beyond raining. It was like torrential. There was a tornado warning. There is a tornado warning. And the point is there were so many reasons I was going to not go. And the only reason I didn't is because one, I committed and I told people I was going to be there. And thank God I went because it was like I haven't had that much fun.

And I, like, I can't even tell you. So it was a room jam full of women dancing, dancing and laughing and laughing and laughing. and it was safe and it was just you were sweating because you were dancing so much. And I felt like I, I felt like I danced it all out. Like I left it all on the dance floor. I did too. And I was, and you know, we talk so much about community. And I want to say this because I had never met, one of our members, Rainey, I'd never met her before.

And this poor member was dancing beside me for a while. and I don't know what happened and I just started sobbing. Rainy's like, what's happening here? Yeah. Like I thought this would be a safe, fun space. Yeah. And I think it just hit me in that moment. Like you have lost, you have change, you have so much happening.

But you have this community and you have this people, whether it's women, whether it's a mix, whether whatever it might be, you have this support system. And this is why you like, you keep. showing up. And you asked me last week, I'm going all over the place here, but you asked me last week, why do you keep showing up? And it's like, I show up because, yes, for the members, but for me as well. And I had this moment with this member who I just met, this other woman, this part of this community, part of our support system. And, you know, it was such an amazing time. And there were strangers there. We were cheering for strangers. We were crying for strangers. We were dancing

for strangers and it was such an amazing time. And like you said, like I didn't want to go either. I was supposed to drive down with somebody else. And they were like, at the last minute, couldn't come. I'm like, this is my out. Like this could be my out. Like she's not going. Maybe I'm not going. You know, and I thought, no, I'm not feeling super motivated to go. But I'm just going to go. I'm going to take that action. I'm committed, like you said. You know, my toe could have been my out. The weather could have been my out. This, you know, My driving partner could have been out. And we just, you just went because you're committed.

Just took the action anyways. And I'm so, so grateful that we did. Well, and I took the expectation off of it. I was like, okay, let's just go. Like, what else am I going to do? I'm going to stay home. I'm going to go in bed and watch movies with Tony. I've done that a million times, right?

Like, I don't got anywhere else to go. I got any other place I got to be. One sense, I do want to honor how I feel and what I truly want to do. But I was like, okay, this is an opportunity to do something different. And I got to bring my. I got to have two of my girls came with me. And, you know, they would have also been like totally fine to stay at home. But I'm like, let's get out of the house.

Let's do this. Yeah. And you know what? It was so busy. I was like, oh, my goodness. Like, I told people to be here. How am I going to find people? And I met this woman at the end as we're walking out.

She's like, Gina. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And she was like, thanks for telling us to come. We had the best time. Like, they didn't need to come. meet me or see me. Like it was just like we were all there together even if we weren't there together. And it really makes you understand how important community is because I don't, I don't think we, especially as we get to our age, we all have so much going on. And we don't take that time to

connect and get together. And so many of us feel like we're, you know, we're really on our own. And that's comfortable. It's become really comfortable. And it's really important that we step out of that comfort zone and have a safe place to connect. So. And how a safe place? And I think, you know, this is when we talk about the group, we did this post in the group. And it was, when you said safe space there, just reminded me this post in the group today. And it was about what don't you believe about yourself and maintenance yet? Like, let's get real. What do you not believe?

And the recurring theme is like, I don't believe I can do this long term. I don't believe I have what it takes. I don't believe I can break that cycle yet. We've said like the power of yet. We've got to put that word on the end of it. I don't believe it yet. And you come in here and you have this space and this community, you can see that other people have that same fear. They have that same belief.

You know, like we are, when we're talking about these safe spaces and these places to be, this is where it is. This is where it's going to grow from. You know, we go to this dance party and it's like we didn't have to come together and be together and necessarily meet everybody. But we were all together in this space, going through it together, feel. it together, moving through it together. And I think that's what, you know, when we talk about these, what do we need? What, you know, how do we, how do we see that? How do we be part of that? I don't even know if I'm making sense. But like it's, it's, it's the same. Like, we don't need to physically be together, but we know we are together, you know, going through this together.

Yeah, I know, I know what you're saying. I've listed this on the weekend and it was like, this thought came to me, like, what if we could, could, could. commit to being our healthiest version of ourselves. And someone's like, well, I keep trying. I just, I can never get there. And I'm like, it's not a destination. Committing to the healthiest, your healthiest and happiest version of yourself is not a destination.

You know, like I'm driving, like, that's not it. It's just like you're making a commitment to do your best and be intentional. It's like you're, you know, you've lost your weight. Now you're going to be intentional about doing the things you need. know you need to do to help maintain and sustain your weight. So the number one thing you need to be intentional about is giving your body time, right? The second thing you need to be intentional about is being self-aware of being there for you. I think we lost your volume. Did we lose her volume here? Is it just me? Do you see me there? Oh, yeah. Got you back. Someone was trying to call me. So

you're committing to giving your body time to adjust your weight, right? You are intentional about, being self-aware of when things happen in your life, you need to support yourself. You need to know where you're at and what you need. It doesn't mean they can't slip back into old habits, coping mechanisms, have a pity party, be sad, be mad for a bit,

but you got to recognize, okay, that's enough. And then the third is mindfulness, not mindfulness piece. I know we're focused on that this week, is you constantly need to show up. You can't be, the opposite of mindful is mindless,

and you just can't go through your life mindlessly making choices. you have to be very intentional about that, right? And so that's what all of this is about. It's about I can't maintain it. There's nothing to maintain it. You're living it. You have to make a conscious choice that in order for me to feel the way I want to feel,

look the way I want to look, I have to be intentional about maintaining that. Your only other option is fall back into old habits. How is that working for you? You are absolutely a product of the way you showed up for yourself in your life. You're a product of the things that happened to you and the choices that you continue to make. So you have to be intentional about owning that.

And is their upkeep? Yes. Does it get easy? Do you think I ask for sets of mindful eating questions before I eat every time? No. I don't eat to. Right? Do you think I don't notice my way when I eat something or drink something?

My weight goes up? Absolutely. And what do I do? I just been like, okay, how's this feel? Not great. Let me do the things I need to do, you know? But it would be easy to not trust that if you don't know what that feels like. Yeah. And you know, to that point, Dr. Beverly said this last week and she used the analogy of her swimming. And she talked about how she's a master swimmer. We all know she's this, you know, incredible swimmer. And she said, but I'm not swimming necessarily. And other people on her swim team are not swimming just to improve on their numbers or to get faster. So is she just not going to swim because she's not trying to do that? No, she's

being intentional about getting in the pool anyways because getting in the pool makes her feel good. It makes her, you know, she's moving her body in a way that is intentional. She feels good when she does it. She's happy when she does it. And it's, you know, she had to uncouple that idea of always trying to do, always trying to get a reward, always trying to get better at something when we're just trying to feel good, be intentional about what we're doing. So she's going to continue to get in the pool. She's going to continue to do the things that she wants, even though there's not, you know, necessarily something super tangible at the end of it. Yeah, I love that. It's because you got to eat anyway. So why don't you eat healthy foods, right?

You want to move your body. You want to work out because you want to be strong. You don't want to break a hip. You know, like, yes, exactly, right? Like what, what really is the work in the upkeep? Because it's not, you've already lost the weight in order to maintain the weight is like you have to focus on continuing to be healthy and doing the things that make you happy. Right? And I think the hard part of the hard part is not trusting. People just don't trust themselves. But this is where the mindfulness piece and the self-awareness piece is like, okay, something happens. I'm like, let's say this last couple weeks for me, right? A lot of stress. I can't just drink wine and eat chips every day for dinner. It's just not going to work, right? Off routine. Okay, I'm away. Yes, all they have is sandwiches. It doesn't mean I eat the

sandwiches. Yes, I, you know, I look like a jerk eat in the middle pieces. But bread piling up on my plate. I didn't choose the menu and I shouldn't have to force myself to eat three sandwiches, right, when I'm not into that. So this is sort of that self-awareness piece. So it was really hard for me to get it right. Like really, and I committed to following the program and really difficult for me to get it right. Now, is that mean that I'm not going to reach my goal? It's not worthy of doing. It just means that life is, I have to be intentional about trying a little extra hard right now to make sure that I am doing the things that I need to do.

And I think that's, that's the process. I think people want it to be a one and done. They want to feel like they've got it. They feel like they've done it. Check, check, check. When it's, it's about continuing to show up. Like here we are three weeks in, right? So if this is your return, if you're returning and doing another round, why?

Mm-hmm. Like, what, like, me know, why? What's the, what's the, what's, why? What do you need to learn, work on, work through? Like, be really intentional. Like, think for a second. Okay, I've done this before. How did I do?

What's my pain points? Like, what do I have a hard time with? Focus on that. It could just be trust. Okay, what do I need to do to be able to trust myself, right? That's the work for you. If this is your first time around and you're resistant, why do I going to do this? Why do I'm going to do that?

Like, what's your mindset with this? Like, if you don't understand it, then ask, read the science, read the why this works, all of that. What can you do to be able to trust it, right? So, like, because you got to put the time in. And we don't want it to be any longer than what you're. you need at the end of the day, but be really intentional about, okay, it's week three, how am I doing? What's my mindset? What, like, what can I, what, where's my pain point? What's the thing that I need to work on for the next week? Yeah. And what, yeah, exactly, what are you working on right now?

Like, what do you, why are you here? What's, you know, what's happening for you? I think it, we can get stuck in this place of just going through the motions. I'm just going to, I'm just going to do the maintenance program. I'm just going to do it. I'm just going to do it. Why? Why are you doing it? What's, what's going to keep you here and wanting to. do instead of just like, oh, I just got to keep doing it. No, why, you know, what's the work that's being done? I wanted to read this comment from, from Judy actually that just came in. So she said, holy smokes, I just had an eye opener. The healthiest version of myself may not be the lowest weight I've been. Maybe I need to stop striving for that and just continue to live my life in a healthy way.

Go ahead. I can see. Okay. So the thing is, is you have to be healthy to lose weight, right? And, And so that healthy, your body doesn't want the fat anymore than you do. So it's just a matter of, okay, helping the body focus on fat loss and releasing that fat. This is that you can love yourself right now today and still want to make change. You can be wanting to design the life that you want to live because you feel like you're not really truly living the life that you want to live, but still be living your best life today because you woke up. It's not one without the other. Your healthiest version doesn't have to be you sitting in a larger body.

you can still live your healthiest version of your life and still want to lose weight but the motive see how that just released like that's so much lighter oh okay so maybe doing all these things to be healthier the healthiest version of you is not lugging around a bunch of excess fat that can be way more of a motivator than just gotta maintain my weight got to lose weight like that's that going deeper that's that that true that's where you have an aha moment or an eye opener So at this conference that I was at, what you do is you break down what's going on in your family life, your home life, sorry, your family life, your work life, and your personal life. Right. So my family life was, you know, I have this daughter. She hates me. I'm not sure how I feel about her. Like, why is that important?

Well, it's changing the whole family dynamic. I have a lot of guilt. Why is that important? Well, because it's consuming everything that we're doing. doing right now and I just want to have a good relationship with her but you know it seems like every time I do something for her just like it's not helping and I feel like I'm um enabling her right okay that's guilt a lot of mixed feelings work life right so my my work life is I don't know maybe I feel like I'm whatever that might be working too much or I feel guilty about that like it's like

uncovering layers so what is it and how would you just describe it and then why and then you go deeper okay then why that and then deeper why that so it's beyond this the surface why that we talk about have a why that's your motivator is like go to like the depths of your why that's when you have the eye eye opener that's when you have the aha moment that's where you are like okay so my why came a couple weeks ago when I was sitting at my dinner table Googling am I having a heart attack and it's not the first time I've done that. And why do I think I'm having a heart attack? Because I know I'm not managing my stress well, because I can feel it manifesting in my body physically, because I haven't been prioritizing my

health, because I am getting older. And so that was like, okay, I'm fucking done. Like, this is like, I am like, let's get serious. I am making change. Now you think, like, over the course of like obviously i lost a hundred pounds i don't necessarily need to lose more weight it's not about that but that was my like when i really got deep about my personal health and wellness i was like okay like what's my motivator here i don't want to live scared i don't want to live scared and i was living scared every day yeah and i think what can be a takeaway here too is you're what when you're going that deep into your why and going into those layers this it's almost like i just thought of this It's almost like setting up a system for yourself.

Like you are, okay, here's my why, but what's the next step of my system? How am I going to achieve that while? I got to go way down here and get deep. And then I can take the steps that make it into this to the top where it's all bloom. That's my why. But these are the steps that are going to help me get there because I'm getting deeper. And that's how I help me put my system in place to get there. Yeah.

Well, we have a system and a method for the physical. part of things that will unravel the mental things around this process, but your why is going to be what keeps you committed and showing up every day to work towards that. And if you can make it really deep and it might not, like, you could sit here and write it out and still might not have like, might not quite get it, but it will come together as long as you're paying attention to. If you're looking for the answer, it will come. I think when we talk about motivating too, we've said that word a few times. That's also what this week is about this motivating factor. And your motivation is this, it's a feeling really, right? It's this and feelings come and go. So that day when you're like,

okay, I know this is my why, but I'm not motivated to get there. Okay, go to the next layer. You know, maybe that is going to help bring that feeling to help you feel motivated to be able to do that. You know, or go to that second layer, that third layer. What is that feeling there? You know, how is that feeling going to help you, you know, show up, do the things that you need to do, just keep going. I think when you go a little bit deeper too, that surface Y, sometimes it can be a bit broad, right? So it can feel like it's, it's going to be hard to achieve or hard to see or hard to believe it. But let's go down a little bit. Okay. Now I see the finer detail. Now this is, you know, something that I want to feel or what I want, that I want to accomplish.

Yeah. So if you don't believe that you're going to be able to do this, first of all, do what? Why? What is it that you're trying to do? Right? You're trying to maintain your weight. Well, what do you need to do to maintain your weight? It's really own the lifestyle changes that you need in order to live a life that you're able to easily maintain your weight. It doesn't mean you can't ever have pasta and pizza. That's not what I'm talking about here, right? So why? Why? Why don't I believe it? Okay, well, I don't believe it because I've been here before. Okay, but did I do it this way? Okay, no. Okay, so why?

So, like, this is where you've got to go deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper to uncover. What is behind this feeling that you have that you don't trust it, that you really don't believe it? Do you believe you're worthy of it? What bothers you about it? Like, is it maybe people are treating you differently. Maybe it was like, this is where you have to get really curious and investigative and really get real about the fact you worked really hard to lose your weight. You really want to fight tooth and nail to be able to maintain. your weight or know where you're at, what you need, what you need to do, work on and work through

to truly get to a place where you can live your life. And even then, like, look at me, right? Like, I've had to navigate all these different situations. It's work. It's work to decide, okay, I can't eat this. I got to go, I got to go to the grocery store and I got to get myself some leafy greens. And I got to, like, that's work, but it's worth doing because at the end of the day, I at least know I'm doing the best that I can, given my situation. Now, I might come back feeling like bloated, my weight up or this or that. I'm going to get out. I'm going to walk. I'm going to drink my water. I'm going to do. And that's how life is always going to be. So the challenges that you're having while maintaining your weight or challenges that people have

losing weight, those challenges are not going to stop coming. You just have to learn how to navigate them and commit to making different choices for yourself. Yeah, and I think this ties right back into what you said at the very beginning. There's always something. There's always something. Yeah, there's always something's going to come up. And I think that like taking these steps and going and getting, getting deeper with your why and getting to the, you know, real bottom of it, it's going to help you when those things do come up. Well, I'm thinking about Judy, right?

And what she said there is, is it really about losing the weight? Is it really about maintaining her weight? I just had an eye open. The healthiest version of myself may not be at my lowest weight. maybe I need to stop striving for that and continue to live my life in a healthy way. That's it, right? It can't always be about losing, all about maintaining. What are you really trying to do here?

You're trying to live your healthiest life. Every day you just want to look your best. Every day you want to feel your best, right? Like that's how you want to carry on through life. It's not losing. It's not maintaining. It's living. You want to live in a way that you feel calm and comfortable and happy and

healthy and have the energy to do the things that you want to do. When you frame it like that, I think that can be an eye opener. An eye opener. Yeah. And I think when you, when you get, when you get there, when you start asking yourself those questions too, this is when this weight. So this weight comes off of you when you, you know, you said like, oh, okay, that pressure's gone. The weight's lifted. But also your mind is going to feel lighter. It's not consumed with all these thoughts. It's not consumed with this push and this pull and, you know, what am I doing here? Why am I doing it? You don't have to think about that anymore. Once you do the work of just figuring it out and laying that foundation, then your mind is going to be a little bit lighter too.

So yeah, living your best, living your healthiest version of yourself is in your physical body, but it's also in your mindset as well. So that's also the important part of it. Well, I am here to, we are here working on our book, which is called live lighter, the art of living well in your body, in your home and in your mind. And that's what it's all about. It's about the weight that we carry. That's not our physical weight. You know, the weight, like in all things, in our inner life, in our everyday life, in our home, travel. You can, you can travel, but you're still carrying that mental weight with you, right? And that's what this book is all about. And that, you know, we came back to the cons balls because this is sort of where we really started to get into

the book is, you know, Indigo Asping to do the book. And And I'm doing it with my friend Lynn who's in design and Norma who's into travel and it's women coming together. You know, and this started with Greta's book. And that's, it's kind of like that sense of community. It's like we all carry this heavy load. And as we get older, we just pile more and more and more and more and more on top of us, right? More responsibility.

More guilt. More of this, more of that. And I think that's where this whole menopause conversation has come in. We're like, okay, there's this physical change. so that's happening, but that's not addressing the mental part of what's happening with us. And as our kids go off or grow up or, you know, when we finally have to get to this point in our lives, we truly want to live our best, healthiest lives. And, you know, it's just you've, you've done the big part with the weight loss part. You don't want to carry that weight. Are you still carrying the weight of your weight loss journey?

Mm-hmm. I think so many are. I mean, that was, yeah, that was proven today in the group, right? they're saying that. So I think that I hope that that them, our members, just vocalizing that and thinking about that helps them start that process of releasing that weight, you know, that weight of it all, that, you know, that belief system, that, you know, that trust that's not there yet, that confidence that's not there yet. You know, hopefully just having these conversations and hearing it and saying it out loud is going to be that first step to, number one, getting deeper into your why and then number two starting to you know release some of that way okay you know i don't think anyone needs a to do list no no one needs a to do list i think we need to talk about these things and

hope that you have aha moments eye opening eye opening moments where you're like oh yeah uh-huh i mean that's what we're trying to do just get you know to think about think about something maybe a different way and i'll give you a list of 10 things you need to do but what do we need to do this week odette before we go so this week i mean getting into the details of the week so of course those four steps of mindful eating, you know, don't think that we don't need to do them because we've done them before. If you still feel like you need to work through them, this is the week to just double down on those four steps, every meal, every snack. Just do it. If you feel like you got it, just do it as a refresher too. I mean, it's just a great practice. Takes repetition, of course.

So do that. And we're talking, just motivation. You know, when it's not there, it's really about taking action. The feeling is not going to push you forward, but just take that action anyways. and your motivation will come, you know, whatever that looks like. Have your water bottle filled up. Have your shoes beside your bed. So the feelings of not wanting to do it are going to stop you because you're going to take the action anyways. And we're talking sleep and stress because sleep and stress also has an impact on the way you make choices based on how you feel. So we're getting into the importance of those and how those two things can knock you off your healthy habits and just a bit of recognition.

So they're there for you. Yeah. Because sometimes we're not making good choices because we're tired. Yes. I'm stressed. Oh, my gosh. That's a big one for me. I'm still working through that one when I'm tired.

Conversation for another day. I'll see you on Wednesday. Thanks, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Have a great start to your week. We'll see you Wednesday. Bye.