The Livy Method Podcast - You're Not Too Loud. You're Hiding.

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

Have you ever heard your own voice climb an octave mid-sentence and wondered who that was? Voice coach, musician and author Lucy Walsh joins Gina to explain why you sound different depending on who's in the room and why it's a survival tactic you learned a long time ago. They get into hiding in plain sight, why overcompensating to fill an awkward silence is a way of abandoning yourself, what comes up when you finally stop shallow breathing and drop into your body, and why "releasing" the old versions of you doesn't work.Gina opens solo on a morning where nothing went to plan: a printer that quit, a live stream that wouldn't start, and a missing guest, yet it becomes a do not miss conversation about how to stop hiding from yourself.Where to find Lucy Walsh:Website: https://www.lucywalsh.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/thelucywalshPodcast: The Lucy Walsh PodcastYou'll find Lucy's book, Remember Me as Human on Amazon.This podcast aligns with Aug 25th of our Summer Club, members can find video in our Livy Method app or Summer Club Community Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/livymethodspring2026 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I'm going to be honest with you, this podcast is unapologetically a hot mess because that is what midlife feels like sometimes. Why, though? And how do we make it better? Do we all just need facelifts and gLP ones? I mean, let's talk about it. No bullshit, no wellness wangery here because we're trying to make real change and change is hard. But we're in this together. Welcome to the Living Method podcast.

Hey there, before we get into our conversation today and no doubt it's going to be great. I want to remind you that we have the most amazing weight loss program and maintenance program on the market. And our next live session for the fall is on sale right now. But if you don't want to wait until the fall, you can sign up today by joining our membership. For more information, go to liby method.com. Oh my goodness. Okay. Can we just talk for a second about how, first of all, okay, I'm going to go back to a conversation I had with my daughter last night because we were away on vacation and she was trying to sign up for a class. and she was stressing because her phone broke. Her phone broke. She didn't have a phone, but she needed to sign up for a class that she missed signing up for because she didn't pay for

one of her classes. So she was stressing, stressing, stressing. And I'm like, Lacina, it's not going to help you to stress out. It's not actually helping you do anything. Just like be in the moment. We'll figure it out when you get home. She's like, well, can we just get my phone fixed now? We're like in Rome. I'm like, no, we can't feel. fix your phone. You're going to be fine. When we get home, we'll take it to the Apple store. We'll get a fix. You'll register for her classes. But she was on this wait list so she was panicked. Anyway, yesterday I was talking to her and she got into her class and she was saying, you know, mom, you were really right about not stressing. Stressing doesn't actually help with anything. She says, I think about all of that

time while I was away and I was stressing about getting into my class. And then I got home and I got into my class. And I'm like, yeah, you still have to be prepared. You still have to do the things that you need to do, but actually stressing isn't going to help you. So that was a conversation I had with her yesterday. I've been researching my guest today, Lucy Walsh. You might know her. She is the daughter of Joe Walsh. He's a guitarist, legendary guitarist for the Eagles. Her like uncle is Ringo Starr. She's a musician herself. She's been on stage with like Maroon 5, Bruno Mars. like she's like she's amazing and she wrote this book and it was about how she went remember me as human it was about how she went to visit her grandma who was 97 and she wanted to kind of document

her story and had all these questions that she wanted to ask her and it ended up being really interesting because it was what she learned about herself and one of the things her grandma said when she asked her for advice was take it day by day night by night and this morning I was sitting there and I was like, this is my life. Like I have been showing up, stressing about everything I'm doing, even when I'm doing everything that I wanted to do. And I realized day by day, night by night, for some reason, that just stuck with me. So I have been so excited about our guest lineup this week. As you know, I'm introducing some new faces and some new voices and some new conversations. And I'm a bit nervous about it because, you know, I'm used to what we've always been

doing. And so, you know, I'm like studying the notes and I'm reading the books and I'm doing all the stuff. And I got up and went for a walk this morning and I'm, you know, doing my walk. And I come downstairs and I printed everything off and the printer didn't work. And I started to panic. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I printed this off last night. Like, it's not like I wasn't prepared and I did the work and whatever. And then I sat down with Drew and then our guest is not here. I don't know what's going on with her. I'm assuming she's having a morning like I'm having. And then we couldn't go live. And it was like one thing after the other and I'm like, what is the universe trying to double down on telling me? Stress is not helping. Stress is not helping. Anyway, I'm here now. I don't know if our live is

actually working. Yes, there it is. But I wanted to jump on and I wanted to connect with you and just share that with you because one of the questions that, oh, my God, was from Sue. And her question was about like, how do I get, I have it here in my notes. Okay, I would love to hear Lucy's perspective on how to command a room without being loud and obnoxious and when I'm totally, not totally comfortable in my body yet. And I wanted to ask for this question because what Lucy now does is she does, she helps people find their voice and have more confidence and whatnot. Maybe she'll show up while we're talking today. I don't know. But I thought that was really interesting because Sue's quite active in our program. And there's a couple of things that she

said in here. And listen, I'm no Lucy Walsh. And and, you know, a voice coach or, or, you know, I'm just trying to figure that out myself. I'm actually going to be doing a couple talks. I'm going to be at the International Plowing Match, which is going to be really cool. September 26, if you want to come, I'm doing two talks. And I've already started to like practice what I'm going to say, but really what I'm looking forward to is connecting with people who show up and answering people's questions.

But I thought this was really interesting. Sue says, I would love to hear Lucy's perspective on how to command a room without being loud and obnoxious when I'm totally not comfortable in my body yet. And I thought that was really interesting. Of all the things that Lucy can talk about, that was one of the things I wanted to lead with was Sue's question because without being loud and obnoxious. And I don't know about you, Sue, but my entire life, I was told I'm too loud, too much, too honest, too in your face, to this. my nails are too long, my hair is too this. I just, I feel like my entire life that has been the feedback from people who I come to realize are just not my people. But I really, I understand that

when you're in a room full of people, you're not going to be everybody's cup of tea. And I think that's one of the things where just be you, right? Like just be loud. Be obnoxious. Be you. You might think you're obnoxious, but where's that coming from? I remember my dad, I was sharing my hopes and dreams one time. And I remember very specifically, I said, I'm going to be on TV. I'm going to be in front of people and I'm going to be a star. Okay. The star was maybe a little too much.

And I remember I was just telling this, I think, to my grandparents. My dad was like, shut up. You're embarrassing. Like stop talking like that. You're embarrassing. And that stuck with me my entire life. And now, okay, yes, I think that as a young child, child. I was kind of thinking what if I was thinking about what I wanted to do,

not a star. I don't want to be famous. I just, I love sitting in front of people and talking and sharing and connecting, right? So, so if Lucy pops out, I'm definitely going to ask her, Sue, that question for you. But I want to talk to you guys and see where you're at and connect. I feel like I have been out of the loop a little bit. Just massive thanks to my team who've been covering for me and showing up all of our guest experts who have been doing check-ins. It's bringing this massive smile to my face. It's also caused me to give some thought about the fall program. And it's interesting because every new session, we have new people showing up and they need to know the basics.

And then we have all of our incredible returning members. So I'm really giving some thought about how do we address our new members who need to understand the basics and then expand on the conversation for all of our returning members? And that's where I'm at right now. I'm kind of in this space of pivot. because I always knew I wanted to create a weight loss program that worked. And then I wanted to create a maintenance program that help people to maintain and sustain the weight that they've lost. Right. I want to help you lose your weight, move on with the rest of your life.

And then I wanted to get talking about, okay, if you've lost your weight, then what? And I thought it was about waiting until everyone had lost their weight to start having that conversation. But I realize having that conversation is part of the conversation. So we're going to be introducing a ton of new incredible guests and conversations. in our fall program. Now, it's not more for you to do. In fact, we're going to streamline. All the content and information make it really easy.

We're also looking for you to engage. A lot of how I built this program was starting on my own. And then I was sharing what I learned. People would have questions. They didn't have people answering. So if people had questions about water or leafy greens, I created a post. A post about water, a post about leafy greens. Like I have all of these posts that I created.

And then I have a team who can come in and answer questions. And now I have the app, which can answer the questions as well, right? So I'm just kind of going through that information. So I've reworked that information and then I've streamlined the information, but I'm still posting that same amount of information. And one of the feedback that I got from the survey that we did last program was how people love the nice to know information. And did you really love the nice to know information or just love that you didn't need

to know everything, right? So I just want to let you know we're currently working on the fall program. We want to make it as easy as possible for you to follow. We also want to make it as engaging and as interesting as possible to keep you following along. And we also want to expand on our community to be a place where we can have opinions. So I was sort of really against the conversation being anything but exactly what we were talking about because in my experience, especially with weight loss, it's so easy to get sidetrack and distracted and focus on other things. So I've been a real stickler about if this isn't about what we're talking about, is it really helpful information? But because we're expanding the conversation, I really think we have a community that's ready to have conversation and share differences of opinions and how we feel and whatnot. And I really want the community group to be a true community group.

It's never been my way or the highway, but it's been me trying to facilitate the conversation and kind of navigate it and keep it like a really positive place and space, not like positive like every. everything is, you know, sunshine and rainbows, but a place really where, you know, people could focus on reaching their goal. So just some thoughts. Um, yes, I love knowing, I love knowing the need to know versus the nice to know. Yeah, there's so much, there's an insane amount of like nice to know information in the app, right? Like, we've now added in all of the menopause content. We added all the GLP1 stuff and we're going to be building on our GLP1 guide because more and more people are working with their health care providers who are suggesting that they try weight loss medications. So we absolutely want to have that information. I want this place and space to be the

place where you're like, okay, this is what they're talking about peptides. They're talking about protein. They're talking about this. We're talking about that. What's the real deal? And then you come in here and you find the real deal. The thing that's happening out there and what I'm, what I'm noticing online and social media is there's no nuance and there's no context. And so where do you get your information from. You're getting your information from people you follow on social media, but even then, they're just giving you bits and pieces. And a lot of them are doctors who don't have the time to provide context. Like what we really need is for everyone to be able to spend an hour with Sean Wharton, for example, or, you know, spend a few hours of Dr. Beverly, David, or, you know,

like to be able to have these robust conversations with our doctors and we just, we don't, we can't have that. So where do we get our information from? And so that's where I really want this place and space to be, whether you're losing weight or maintaining your weight or just trying to be healthy, is a place to be like, okay, what is the current conversation that's, what's everyone talking about and what's the real deal on that, right? My guest, Sony, tomorrow is really interesting. She's a fertility expert, obviously well-versed in menopause and changes in women's body. And she's a advocate for the information that's being put out there on social media and how do you cut through that. So that's a conversation I'm going to have with her. So some great

guest this week. Hi, Sue, you've grown so much over the years, Gina, almost 180 from when I first got to know you and you were a bad ass hardcore stickler. You know, this like, yeah, but that's the thing. Like, what's really interesting, Sue, I need to be able to talk to my community about this, right? Because I think in one sense, so many people respond really well to hardcore. And I think hardcore works really well because give an inch, take a mile. And I don't mean any disfers. respect from that, but there's so much noise about the diet industry is that you need to be, like when you're trying to reach a goal like weight loss, you need to be like, you need to do the things that you need to do. And I'm not saying that people who are struggling aren't doing

the things that they need to do. You want to make sure the very list you are doing the things that you need to do. And then you need to figure out what's going on with you. And so for example, you know, and I use this as the chocolate, the chocolate conversation. That's how that came up. I'm working with personal clients, they'd be like, can I have a small piece of dark chocolate? Sure, it's high in magnesium. It's low in sugar. It's not going to stop you from reaching your goals. But then what I would notice is that they'd start having it every day.

And I'm like, what's with this chocolate every day? Well, I just look forward to it every day. It's how I treat myself. And I'm like, whoa, we're trying to get away from using food as reward. And the thing that brightens up your whole day. I'm not saying you can't like love food. You absolutely can love food. But if you can't eat that thing without regret and berating yourself and getting on yourself and punishing

yourself, how are you going to get to a place where you can have the thing without those thoughts and feels attached, right? And so that's why I'm always like, okay, bigger picture here. It's not about the chocolates, it's about why you're having the chocolate. And same thing with bread, right? Like some people can have bread and lose weight just fine, right? If you're going to have bread, though, Ezekiel bread. I know it's a million dollars, but you know, it's sprouted grain, higher protein bread. That's a great way to go. Sourdough bread, if you want to make it on your own, true sourdough bread, not like processed. True sourdough bread. Great for your digestive system. Lower on the glycemic index, better way to go. But some people, they have a much harder time losing weight while

eating bread and minimizing breads and pastas and things like that are, make it a lot. easier for them for their bodies to focus on fat loss. Maybe they're dealing with insulin resistance or digestive issues or whatever that might be, right? And so when I say, oh yeah, you can have bread and lose weight, then everyone's eating bread and then they can't lose weight. It's one of those things where when you try to teach, you know, 25,000 people at a time what to do, you have to be pretty hardcore. I've learned to soften a bit. I think less on on, because it's not about rules, but I've learned a soft. Someone once said to me,

be hard on the problem, not the person. Be hard on the problem. My friend Lynn said this. Be hard on the problem. Get pissed and stressed and whatever. But the problem is misinformation, all this bullshit information about the dynasty,

and be soft on the people. And so this goes back to a few years ago where I was in the hospital. And I was in there for like a couple weeks. And I couldn't show up at work. And you know me. I show up all the time. I'm learning to be a little bit more relaxed.

This summer is a great example. of that. I'm like itching to get back at the dailies. I need to get back at the dailies. But I thought, oh my God, my whole life is going to fall apart. People aren't going to be able to follow me. They're not, they're like, no one will sign up and do the pro. They'll just be so mad. And people were like, Gina, take your time, right? Like, we're fine. And so I've always been, go hard or go home. And I had this conversation with Tony yesterday. I was relying in bed last night and I'm stressing. And I've got this stupid TMJ thing.

I can't chew food right now. And he's just like, you're safe, you're loved, you're okay. And I'm like, why am I like this? I'm like this because I'm all or nothing person. I have a hard time finding the middle ground. I have a hard time finding the middle ground. So I'm either hardcore or too soft. So I'm going to make it my mission to try to find the middle.

middle ground. Where do you get a good sourdough starter? Okay, so I have Lucy Walsh. She can be joining me in a second, but let me talk about your sourdough starter. I got mine from my friend Lynn. And you know what we should do? We should do have like a Libby, like a Libby community, Libby Loser pop up where those of us who do sourdows bring jars of starter for people who don't have their starters. You can make your own, but I heard it's like a whole big rigmarole and I'm not about to do that. So I got mine from my friend Lynn. but let's do that. Okay, let's bring Lucy on, shall we? Can we bring Lucy on?

Do you hear? Hello? Hi, Gina. I've all my life problems. I were talking sourdough bread. How are you? Gina, listen, we're here. I am so happy to be here with you.

I'm sure you've been, I'm going to go back and listen because I'm sure I missed out on some really incredible stuff. You know what? I was sharing, I was sharing a day by day and night by night. Yes, because I was like researching you, right? So I, you know, I run my big programs and the women listening. A lot of them are in midlife. They're in this major pivot.

They're taking care of aging parents. Their kids are leaving the house. They're trying to figure out where they fit. They're trying to lose way, get healthy, make major change and whatnot, right? So that's just for context. And I was doing my research and I have like the same guests. We have the same conversation. and kind of stepping out of my box, inviting new conversations.

And, like, you know, you're a big deal. Like, you're this, like, you know, ultra-famous actress, curb your enthusiasm, all these, like, you know, shows. You're this, you know, famous musician yourself. You've been on stage with Maroon 5 and Bruno Mars. Your dad, of course, Joe Walls. Your uncle is Ringo star for fuck's sakes, Lucy. You know what I'm saying?

A little bit of pressure for me. And then today I go and print out my notes. printer's not working. And then, you know, then we tried to go on live. And I was just like, just fuck these fucking notes. And then I was missing in action. And then you'll never believe what happened. You listed my life.

It's crazy things all the time. And I can't even get into it. But yeah, we're not. So, yeah, a lot of notes and they're on the floor now. So what are we doing? Okay. So you had this incredible life. he wrote this really incredible book where you spent time with your grandma, Wanda,

and that was beautiful and that's amazing. And you know, you've kind of used what's happened to you in your life. And, you know, our members know the backstory. But really what you're doing now is you're coaching people and helping them find their voice. And I had this comment from a member. And she says, can you ask Lucy? So she wants to get on stage or in front of people, but doesn't want to, let me, I got to actually just find it in my notes here. Of course, I just threw the paper away.

So we want to get her a question right. Okay. So our member Sue, and I thought this was really interesting, it's really layered here. Our member Sue said, I would love to hear Lucy's perspective on how to command a room without being loud and obnoxious when I'm not totally comfortable in my body yet. Yeah, that's a tough one for all of us, isn't it? Yeah. It's because who cares if you're loud and obnoxious and who cares about your body, right? Like, okay, sorry, go. Yeah, well, can you read it one more time so we can all really hear it because this is,

everybody feels this way? Yeah. I would love to hear Lucy's perspective on how to command a room without being loud and obnoxious when I'm not totally comfortable in my body. yet. Right. So she's talking about overcompensating, isn't she? It's like how often do we get around people and you feel like you have to fill the space all the time if there's a lull in the conversation, you know, I find that I'll speak for myself like overcompensating to fill that space is, it doesn't feel nice in our body, does it? You can.

feel when you're doing it. You can feel when like, why are the words still coming out of my mouth? I don't really know what I'm saying right now. Yeah, I just did it for the last 20 minutes. I know. Oh, Jean, I'm giving you the biggest hug right now. Oh, my gosh. And these are my people and I'm comfortable in my face, but, you know, yeah. No. And we can do it when we have to. But like, to own your power in the moment and be okay with not having to overcompensate to make the other person comfortable or to make yourself comfortable is such a powerful place to live from. And I check myself at a party all the time. I will just be quiet and just look around. Or if somebody's speaking to me, I will just

stop talking and allow the space for them to step into the conversation. And guess what? sometimes people don't right sometimes like the person you're talking to is not asking you any questions or anything and um and you just have to sit there in awkward silence but that awkward silence is better than um like abandoning yourself because when you are overcompensating and filling space you're abandoning the self right and so I think to be true to yourself is a really powerful feeling, even if it creates awkward space. Well, I think this is the common thread. You know, when I was doing my research on you, it's kind of like things have happened to you in your life that you're not really owning.

That makes it you. And then you're putting out this, what you think is this version. Yeah, of you. Right. We're all walking around with these versions of who we think we're supposed to be, aren't we? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You must feel that a lot in what you do in interviewing people. Like you have to keep it going. Like you're saying this morning, you know, this was an interesting situation where you had to deal with what was coming at you and you had to like make it work somehow, you know. And that's a part of life, like having to deal with what's coming at you in real time. And where do you pull from inside of yourself when you have to do that kind of stuff?

or whatever it is. What is the universe trying to teach me right now? That's right. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's the message. It's challenging in life to pull from something inside of us to deal with life in real time. And that's happening on all fronts all the time, especially. Well, I don't know. I don't know especially for women.

Do you think especially for women or do you think it's everyone? I think it's everyone. think that lately what's happened in the last couple of years with this menopause conversation, it's really open the door for self-reflection. I think it's primarily focused on what's going on in women's bodies, obviously. But I think there's this whole, it's open the door for conversation. That's where we're having it. And that's where we're having it around. But I think women have become more vocal. I think women have become more vocal, I think. Well, you know, women are coming to you for, you're now doing coaching. You're helping women find their voice, their confidence.

What do you think, what do you think the conversation is? Well, I mean, you wrote this book, I believe in 2024. Yeah. What do you think has happened in the last couple of years? How has the conversation changed? Well, my book, uh, is about this lineage of women. It's about me and my grandmother and my mother in there. And yeah, the work that you're doing is this conversation around the phases of our lives as

women. I do, I do think this is, you know, the phases. of a woman's life are really more interesting than a man's. Because we're dealing with our menstrual cycle and we're dealing with birthing the children and then we're dealing with just all the, all the pressures and natural life cycles of a woman is really such an extraordinary journey. And it takes so much understanding of where we're going next. So what I work with women around is like where you're headed next.

Like I don't think there's enough support for all of us for the next phases of life, what it's going to be like. Like somebody who's there already ahead of us explaining it to us. And so I work with a lot of younger artists. I work with the Lucy Walsh studio. I coach actors. I coach voice. and I have a ton of entrepreneurial life coaching programs.

And it's because, yes, I coach people of all ages, but I turn around and coach the younger people who are coming up behind me. You know, I was a young girl when I got my first record deal. I was like 21. And I was signed by Jay-Z. And I went through the machine of the major label record business. And I got chewed up and spit out. And it was really traumatizing.

And I see young girls going into the machine. And I'm able to help a lot of them, thank God, because they find me. And the word of mouth has been extraordinary for clients coming to work with me. And it's something I really, really care about a lot is turning around and helping those in life behind me. I'm thinking about your grandma and I'm thinking about a lot of the members that we have in the program and we just talked about the menopause conversation. But every time I talk about the menopause conversation, the postmenopause women are about what about us? And you know, your book in a sense is talking about getting to know this older woman, 97 years old, who still feels like she's 20 years old and has a whole

life and story to tell. But I think, and maybe I'm wrong. I don't want to speak for anyone. But the perception out there right now is like you're older, you don't really have a voice, you're kind of forgotten. When that knowledge, as you are passing down to the younger generation, how do we look to the older generation for that knowledge? I mean, they have to be willing to give it, right? Like my grandmother did not want to talk. And my book is all about how I interviewed her for three days right before she died about her life. She did not want to get into anything. And I had to work on her for a couple years to get her to open up.

And I think that we all have to, whoever's listening, whatever age you're at, you have to help. You have to help other people who are coming behind you. And we have to be willing to talk to each other. And that kind of goes back to that lovely question we just have. about like how do you connect in a room when you feel a little uncomfortable in your own self. That's okay. That's the point of my book.

That's why I called it. Remember me as human because, you know, I was, I had to say something really not nice that my grandmother had done in her life. And I was afraid to tell the truth in my book. and I said it makes you look bad. And she said, I don't want to be remembered as perfect. I want to be remembered as human. And that's it for all of us.

Like we're not going to get it right. We are a mess and it's beautiful. And who cares? Like we're doing the best we can. And we need to talk about this experience of how did you do this? Oh, oh, I figured this out over here. let me tell you about this. You know, we've got to compare notes.

Well, especially with women when we're dealing with weight loss and a lot of weight loss, the weight really is not the actual physical weight. It's the guilt. It's the shame. It's the having lost and then gained it back this sense of like I have no control or whatever it is. And this is where women are trying to find that, that, that, who the fuck are they when they're not somebody who's weight there in their life. This is why I have, this is why I coach my.

voice. This is why I coach singers and non-singers. I just released a vocal mastery program. It's your complete voice in 30 days. And I also coach singers one-on-one because our voice, we hold everything in the body, right? Like you're saying, the weight. And also our voice sounds the way it does because of emotional issues. It's really fascinating how when you build somebody's voice up, you are building their self. You are recreating their self. You are dissolving past trauma that they've been carrying around. Do you ever hear a grown woman and her voices appear like this? You know, somebody walks around like this. There's a reason for that. And as, yes. That happened to me the other day. And I said to my husband, what the fuck is going on with my voice? Okay. So, I talked about

that. So let's talk. Yeah, seriously, take my vocal mastery course. But what's happening there is like that our voice is something that we use throughout the day based on who we're speaking to and what we want in that moment. It's a survival tactic. And so do you ever notice how you have like a hundred voices throughout your day based on who you're dealing with? So here, us together talking, we are using a. specific voice. And then when you get home and you speak to your family or you speak to your husband or wife, you're going to use a different voice with them. If you have kids, you're going to use a different voice when you're dealing with your kids. When you're alone, you use a different voice. And sometimes, yeah, I'll hear my voice too, Gina. And I'll be like, what voice is this? Why is my voice so high? And, you know, all these different emotional factors express our voice in these certain ways. But what I work with my clients to realize is that that is just a survival tactic that you're using and you can get you can change it. You can settle down into your

authentic voice that feels truthful to you. And you can come from that place and walk around with that all the time. We can let go of all these masks that we wear and the voice is one of them. So if I bring this back to Sue and her original question for you, is the loud and obnoxious, a survival technique that she's been using? Totally. It's a mask that we use to not expose ourselves to hide. And most of us are hiding in plain sight. And we do this in a lot of ways. And this is what I empower all my clients to see. We hide in a thousand ways. We hide with our hair. We hide with the clothes we wear. I am hiding right now with this shirt that's buttoned up like this. And this is how I dress when I coach because I don't want my breasts out to be distracting anybody from what I'm coaching them to do. We are very, you know, sneaky with how we're hiding in plain sight in many, many ways.

Why does that make you lean back and do that? Well, because I was sharing, you know, this is my, I'm running into my 32nd, 33rd group. And when I started these, I just kind of showed up and shared what I learned, helping people lose weight over the years, 30 years. And I was quite confident in that. Someone was like that, you've changed a lot. You were this hardcore Gina. And I was explaining, well, I had to be hardcore because you had to rally like 25,000 people at time to do all one thing. But if I think about it, lately I've been thinking about when I watch other women on TV,

some are so, they talk with such confidence. Like they are like, they feel, they know what they're talking about is true. And I've been kind of like sitting back. And is it really that I've learned not to be so hardcore? I was sharing like there's this hardcore side and then there's this other side of me that's more understanding. Or is it really just in doing all of this, I've gotten a little bit confused about who I am. I've gotten a little bit disconnected under the pressure that I've been trying to be

everybody's cup of tea. And within that, my voice has been receding. So what people are perceiving as softer and more understanding is just me being like, hi, I'm, you know, I'm, hi, please like me. I'm no threat. I'm not a threat. You don't have to be, you know, I'm no danger. Yeah, I know.

And I think it's about it's not making ourselves wrong. It's not that any part of us that we are expressing is wrong because, these are all parts of us along the way that, you know, are valid. But it's about, I think, integrating all of that inside of us so that we can understand what's going on. It's not about getting rid of it. It's about bringing awareness to it. And I always remind my clients, we're not fixing anything. We are bringing awareness.

I am helping you bring awareness to what's going on inside of you so that we can bring it all together. And so that you can be the one in the driver. seat. Not that these unconscious patterns are driving you, but that you're the one going, oh, okay, I'm going to just check myself because I felt that voice go up a little bit. I'm just going to take a breath and just bring it back down, you know, or take a breath here. I feel super overwhelmed and intimidated by these people. And I want to make sure I'm coming from my, what feels truthful to me. So I'm just going to take a moment and notice what's going on inside of me. But most of us don't notice what's going on. We're just walking around in anxiety.

all the time and not knowing why. Yeah, this is brilliant because people here are trying to trust when to eat, what to eat, how much to eat. They're listening to their bodies, but we're not listening to our voices. We're not paying any time. No. So it's like next, next, next level sense of awareness. Right.

It's the feelings. The feelings are your clue, you know? You are a detective and you're going, oh, I feel, you know, do you ever sit and sometimes you're like, whoa, I just got like adrenaline pumping through my body and I have no idea why. what just happened? What was I thinking about? Yes. Yeah.

Am I having a heart? I go to, am I having a heart attack? Yeah. Or you get like really mad about something and you realize, okay, wow, if I bring some awareness to this, I just thought about this thing that pissed me off 20 years ago and it made me all over again, you know? So it's just about bringing awareness to the body. Most of us don't live connected to our body.

I've had to really put work into this. It's still something I'm working on because most of us are all up here all the time outside of ourselves and to bring our awareness down into the body. We don't do that very often. I'm going to get people your contact information and how to work with you and all of that. But can you give me some steps, like something someone can do right now today or practice to be more in their bodies? Oh my gosh.

Well, we talk about breath and singing. Most of us walk around shallow breathing. We hold our breath because we're trying to avoid emotion that's going on in the body. And when you start to breathe deeply, you come down into your body and all your past and your emotion and all that stuff is waiting there for you. And we don't want to feel it. So we breathe pretty shallow. And when someone comes to me and starts working with me, they get super emotional and they

don't know why. It's because of this deep breathing. And so we walk around in the survival mode, which is the shallow breathing, which the body is like ready to run at any moment. That's what shallow breathing is. And so I would say if you just, this seems so simple, right? And we forget to do it. But if you just sit and take like five, just deep breathe, set your timer for 60 seconds and deep breathe, Just take the deepest breaths you can, hold for four at the top, exhale for four, hold for four at the bottom, and then inhale for. So fucking uncomfortable. It's so uncomfortable. I know, a circle of fours. Like, you're going to come down into your body and probably maybe start crying. Yeah, because you're taking a minute to sit with yourself and you can't even deal with that because we're just shoving all of our stuff deep down inside.

Yeah. And it's about questioning your feelings. It's about questioning. Ask questions of yourself. Get curious about what's going on inside of you. Even if you don't have the answers, it's okay if you don't know where it's coming from. But start to question, oh, what's going on right now? What is this?

Yeah. It's right there. It's coming up because it wants to be acknowledged. Yeah. Well, it kind of goes back to Sue again and her comment and her question, how she's showing up for how she's feeling trying to command a room full of people is probably how she's showing up in her life every day. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It is. And we want to show up. You just said the key word. It's our life. It's not someone else's. It's your life. You're the epicenter of your life.

If you're not the most important thing in your life, and I know that goes against what women are taught, if you are not the most important thing in your life. You can't be important to your children. You can't be important to your partner, your friends, your family, nothing. That's so selfish though, right? It is selfish. Get selfish. Get selfish.

You got to get selfish first. Yeah. And then you can give. Like, people don't turn around and help every. I don't turn around and help other artists coming up in the music business, because I wasn't an artist myself. I'm a coach because I'm on all the things I coach, I have accomplished. And you should never coach with somebody who hasn't accomplished what it is you want to do. You know, they say those who can't do teach. That is utterly nonsense.

You can only, you can only teach it once you've done it. And, and so, you know, I, I'm saying that I'm relating that back to being selfish in your own life. Like I wasn't just born and I started coaching people. I've been a performer for 25 years professionally. So then you turn around and help other people. Well, or that's just following your passion. Like for me, I lost a hundred pounds like 30 years ago. I'm able to keep it off. And it was like, I did it. I did the same as everybody else. Eat less exercise more. Didn't work. And that's where that, that wanting desire to help that of service. Yes. Yeah. It does come at some point, doesn't it? not in the beginning because you're taking care of yourself.

But it does come that desire to turn around and help others. Absolutely. Oh, my God. Okay. I want to talk to you about what if you're, how do you, women change and evolve so much over their life. And so when you talk about your voice is reflective of kind of what's going on in your life and that's a sense of awareness. Is it about finding a new voice? like women who are like trying to make change or go through divorce or they you know whatever's

happening in their lives are they are they looking for a new voice yeah that's a good question because life events do change our voice the way you sound now is totally different from how you sounded at 21 i'm sure yeah yeah yeah um do you have children i have four you have four children. Okay, yeah. So I'm sure every one of those babies has changed your voice in some way. The body goes through physical changes, which changes our voice, right? And also emotional traumas and things change our voice as well. So yeah, I think that it's just naturally happening. But if you want to think about it as like something that you are creating and, you know, like revamping yourself. I think it's just a matter of paying attention to what's already there because you can tell when you settle down into the authentic voice. You can feel it. It feels good. And it's always been there with you and it's right there for you in this moment.

You might, well, I have Pam here. I was loud and wanted to be everyone's friend all of my life. And now I'm quiet and not. I'm sorry if anyone likes me, but I really am a nice person. Well, that's that kind of that. caveat, right? Like, is that, do we get imposter syndrome with our voices, maybe? Like, she's like, I used to be this, wanted to be everyone's friend. And now she's almost apologizing or having to say, well, I'm a nice person because I don't want to do that anymore. Yeah, it's true that, you know, the loud thing and the soft thing is really interesting, isn't it? I'll find myself getting really loud and passionate a lot of the time. And I think, God, I wish I could just be like soft and feminine. That would be nice. You know what I mean? I think this is something women deal with where, like, have to be like we're being all assertive and everything and we just wish we could be a feminine

little soft flower but that loud thing is interesting i'll say to pam when i was little uh my dad was leaving all the time because he was a touring musician and every time he'd go away i thought it was because i had done something wrong i thought that oh shoot like i i'm not i'm not I'm not worthy enough for him to stay. And so because I thought, well, I must have done something wrong, but I didn't know what it was. So I kind of like, I got really quiet. And I was a really quiet kid because I didn't know what it was that I had said that was causing the disconnect in him to leave. And that went on for most of my childhood. Like I wouldn't cry. I remember I got bit in the face by a dog and it was I was gushing blood and I went the babysitter was in my house and I had and I was knocking

on the bathroom door because she was in the bathroom and I wasn't even telling her that something was wrong. I was just whispering and she was like, I'll be right out and I was like, okay. And I was just standing there quietly knocking with blood gushing out of my face and that it is funny, but like it's it's what we do as women. We are like afraid to say it out loud even when we're hurt, even when it's an emergency. We're afraid to speak up for ourselves. Like, what's it going to take? My face is bloody. And I still can't speak out for myself. What is that? And that is what we carry into adulthood so often. And so now, like, I am, I am a loud person now. Sometimes, I mean, you know, we're all loud when we're excited, but it's like all these facets of us, Pam, like, they're okay.

It's okay. They're all part of you. And you're not one thing all the time. None of us are. We're full human beings and we express ourselves in endless facets. And my hope for people, and this is how I work to empower you, is to unify everything that's going on inside of you and stop trying to fix it and just wrap your arms around all the parts of you. and love them and bring them forward with you. And can I tell you one little thing that I think of? Please, yeah. People will tell you, oh, you can release that part of you now, you know, that old version of yourself that you don't need anymore. You can release, you can let her go now. Has anyone ever said that to you, Gina?

You know what you mean? Sure. So that wasn't working for me because that was making me really sad because those parts of myself in the past. They didn't want to be left behind. They wanted to come along. They did not want to be for, like, left, abandoned it felt like. And so I started, instead of releasing the old me, I think of it as I'm putting my

arms around all the versions of me that have been in my life, all the versions that I may be ashamed of that maybe weren't the greatest, you know, weren't my highest potential. Yeah. And I'm saying, come on, we're all moving forward. You don't have to be in the driver's seat anymore. You can sit in the back of the bus and relax because I'm driving now. I'm driving the bus of Lucy. But you're still on the bus because we're all in it together.

And to me, that has really helped heal that abandonment that was painful for me when I was younger. Yeah, because when you're letting it go, you're seeing it as it's, it was wrong. It was wrong. It's not, yeah, it's dead now. No, no, no, no. It's all a part of you. And so I think that instead of us, you know, you asked, is it about finding a new voice? I don't think so.

I don't think so. I think it's about using everything inside of you that's always been there. But just understanding that those parts of you that you don't need, that voice that you don't need, you know, for somebody saying, I don't want to be so loud or I don't want to be so awkward in a room. Okay. So let that part of you take a breather because you're in charge right now and you've got it. and they can trust you now. Yeah, back of the bus. Yeah.

In a good way. In a good way. The back of the bus is gorgeous. It's got like, it's like, it's a gorgeous bus, you know. Yeah. It's a chill bus. Yes, it's a luxury bus. It's like, yeah, it's a tour bus.

It's like that you want to hang in the back. It's a day spa back there. And Nesneen is, Pam's crying. She's like, oh, I'm crying. Thank you. Yeah. We are messy and complicated and allowed to be that is actually what the world needs. need to be authentic. We need to embrace all the parts of ourselves. All of us just need to be valued.

But also every part of you needs to be valued. But before we go, by you, by you, period, full stop. No one else. All parts of you need to be valued by you. That's the key to all of it. Is it like owning who we are? Like let's say, okay, I don't want to be loud and obnoxious. Is it really that I, I'm, maybe I just, that's me and there's something about my personality. unique and I need to embrace that or is and is that I don't want to be allowed and obnoxious. I don't want to be allowed and obnoxious because it's other people are bothered by it. How do you know the difference between that? Well, I think first it's about getting curious about it.

So it's, hmm, okay, I was loud and obnoxious in that moment. Why? What's that loud and obnoxious coming from? Where? What age am I where I'm being that way? You know, oh, okay, I see that at 12 years old, I got really like. loud and obnoxious because my parents were getting divorced and I was trying to be seen. I was trying to be heard, you know, and having compassion for yourself.

And then next time it starts to happen again, you'll know that that's where it's coming from and you'll be able to make a choice and tell her it's okay, you can relax in the back of the bus right now. But you can't understand that unless you get curious about where it's coming from. Yes. You know? Yes. So yes, that is being in control and in charge of yourself and how you're expressing yourself through introspection and then picking and choosing what you want to use.

I'm just going to let that sit for a minute. Yeah. Because that's really big because I think sometimes our opinions of ourselves actually come from other people. It's not that we- Like 99.9% of the time. Yeah. And you know, you can get constructive feedback from people you love.

I don't use the word criticism. That word is terrible. nobody needs criticism. But constructive feedback from somebody going, oh, you know, but no, who cares what, who cares? Yeah. I don't think, you know. Well, there's Colleen. Colleen says, I was so scared to be me because of the battle in my mind of others' opinions. Right. So this is about like being afraid that you're going to get kicked out of the tribe. We are all afraid. And that goes back. That is inside of us. That is a physiological. thing back to the caveman days when if you were kicked out of the tribe for being too loud, let's say, you are going to die. And so there's this survival thing in us that we need to stay,

we need to be in the group, we need to be a part of society or we're going to die. So people are terrified of being excluded, right? And abandonment and all that. But this really ties in with survival. It's really powerful. It's really crazy how much we are dependent on what other people think of us. And I wish that we weren't because it's a total waste of your beautiful, precious life energy. And if you have a big, big wake-up call, which I'm sure most people listening have had, I had a near-death experience last June. And we can get into that another time. but for most people listening, we've had these near-death experiences and things that made us wake up. And that's the lesson in it. Oh, my God, I am not going to waste one more second of this precious, precious time I've been given.

Yes. Trying to make other people think of me in a certain way. And once I made that decision, my work exploded. I have a wait list around the world. And that was not an accident. That was because I stepped into my full power because I, because I wasn't willing to question how I'm expressing myself anymore. Instead, now I feel like I let it flow. You know, I let it, I let myself be. I let myself be who I am. And that's enough. And if, you know, the people who love you will love you no matter what. You don't have to worry about it and you never have to earn somebody's love. You never have to work to be loved, ever. Anyone who's making you feel like that is not right. Is it. Does it? not belong in your life. Including if it's you yourself, making yourself feel like that as well. Yes.

Well, Lucy, I would drop this mic, but I won't because it's expensive. Yes, that's a new one, but thousands of dollar mic. You need a cheap mic in your studio that you can drop. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to grab one. Thank you so much. I am so glad that it turned out exactly the way it turned out.

I would not change a thing. You can find Lucy over on social media, the Lucy Walsh. She also has a website that you can visit and find out about working with her as well. Lucy Walsh, I think.com is the website. Lucywalsh.com. It's all there for. Lucy Walsh.com. And then she also has this incredible podcast where she's sharing her knowledge,

just like she's doing today with you that you can check out as well. Also pick up her book. Remember Me is Human. I don't even know. Just thanks. Thank you. I'm going to get you on. my podcast so I can learn about you because I have some questions. I would love that. To be continued.

To be continued. Thanks everyone joining us live. You can come late. You can come late and get me back. Okay. It's the deal. Thanks everyone joining us alive. We're listening after the fact. We appreciate you joining us today. Lucy Walsh. Thank you. Thank you so much. And everybody listening. I love you. Thank you so much. That was so fun. Just stick around afterwards. We want to make sure you uploaded and whatnot. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Lucy. Bye.