The Mel Robbins Podcast - 3 Things You Need to Accept About Other People

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

Today you and I are digging into three things you must accept about other people.  It took me years to understand these truths. It sounds horrible, but I always wondered, “What’s wrong with peo...ple? Why don’t they change?” I know you can relate. Because today I’m taking your questions about trying to change other people.  You’re frustrated by the fact that your spouse or partner won’t exercise more. You get angry seeing how much money your daughter wastes going out every weekend. You’re annoyed by how stubborn your parents have become the older they get. Me too. I’ve tried every tactic you can imagine to get other people to change. And recently I realized the true source of my frustration: It’s not them, it’s me. I’m refusing to accept three things. These things are hard to accept, and they’re true. Once you hear them and you apply them to your life, your relationships will be way easier. In addition to the three truths about other people, you’ll learn research that explains why it’s so hard to get other people to change. And like all episodes, this one is packed with tactical advice and takeaways that you can put to use immediately. And, if you’re the one who’s busy making changes but your loved ones are not being supportive, I answer that question from a listener, too. I feel compelled to answer your questions because so many of you are improving your life with the tools you’re learning on this podcast and your family is starting to get annoyed with you. That’s okay. It shows you’re making progress (but it doesn’t make it easy). Hopefully today’s episode will. Xo Mel  Key lessons: 3:12: 3 powerful truths you have to accept about people.4:33: Rule #1 explained6:02: How do you deal with people who don’t want to change?9:00: Why some people can’t change.12:42: I’m embarrassed to tell you this story.19:49: Rule #2 explained20:37: Rule #3 explained21:44: My “6-month rule” for any complainer32:03: What do when the people around you don’t support the changes you’re making40:23: The science of “Myside bias” and what it says about human nature For full show notes, go to melrobbins.com/podcastDo you want to create a better morning routine? Join my free 5-day Wake Up Challenge and I’ll coach day by day on setting your day up for success here.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, it's your friend Mel and welcome to an absolutely unbelievable episode of the Mel Robbins podcast. I'm so fired up to talk to you today, not only because we are going to talk about the three things that you need to accept about other people. These are things I need to accept to. These are not easy things to accept, but trust me, when you accept these truths, it's gonna make your life easier.
Starting point is 00:00:30 I often think about how many years of my life I have wasted being frustrated with other people. Truly, wishing they would change, wanting them to change, trying to make them change. I've tried manipulating people. I've tried bribing people. I've tried, people. I've tried bribing people. I've tried, like I'm talking with like a box of Legos or something.
Starting point is 00:00:48 I've tried motivating people. I've tried inspiring people. The fact of the matter is you can do all those things, but if somebody doesn't want to, they won't. If somebody can't, then they won't. And so what you're gonna hear today is you're gonna hear listeners of the Mel Robbins podcast asking questions on this topic.
Starting point is 00:01:09 And we are going to jump in and unpack these three truths that you got to accept. I got to accept about other people. Now before I tell you the three truths, I just want to say one other thing. I have been absolutely floored by your response to this show. Thank you for spending your time with me, and I also want to thank you for sharing this with the people in your life. I was in California the other day, and I was ordering a sandwich at a deli, and this woman who made my sandwich, as she handed me over, you know, the little sandwich wrapped in the white after they put the little sticker on it,
Starting point is 00:01:50 she leans forward and she says, I didn't want to say anything. But I've been listening to your podcast. My sister shared an episode with me and I just want to tell you something. I immigrated here as a little girl from Africa and I feel like what I'm learning on this podcast, she was whispering, I don't know if she didn't want her colleagues to hear or her boss, like I didn't know why she was whispering, but she's whispering and she had these big glasses on
Starting point is 00:02:18 just like me and she said, but I feel like what I'm learning on this podcast, it's helping me sprout wings so I can fly and reach heights that I've always dreamt of. And I want to tell you, that is a shared success. You are helping me do that. Together we are creating a positive ripple effect around the world. Together, we are inspiring people to dream bigger, to face obstacles and challenges, and most importantly, to feel a little less alone.
Starting point is 00:02:56 And so I want to thank you for your time. I want to thank you for sharing these episodes with your friends, with your family. I want to thank you for posting it on social media because you are part of a force for good in this world that is empowering other people. And that's why I want you to know the three things that you have to accept about other people. Okay, and let me tell them to you right now,
Starting point is 00:03:20 and then as we go through the questions, I'm going to unpack these at a deeper level and explain to you that these truths, they're there no matter what issue you are dealing with when it comes to other people. So truth number one, if they wanted to, they would. Truth number two, you can't make somebody else change. You can make them dinner, you can make them laugh, but you cannot make someone else change. And number three, stop being mad that people aren't who you want them to be. Those are the three truths.
Starting point is 00:03:57 They are hard to accept, but when you do, they make your life easier. And as we go through these questions one by one, and I not only give you more inspiration, more advice, more research about the specific issues in each question, I'm going to come back to these three truths over and over and over again, and show you how accepting these three truths and applying them to all your relationships it actually makes your life easier. And it's also easier in other people because they apply not only to other people,
Starting point is 00:04:30 but they also apply to you and me. So let's just take rule number one, if they wanted to, they would. Now, that kind of stings when you think about other people, when you think about folks in your life that, boy, I wish they'd make an effort, I wish they'd show up, in your life that, boy, I wish they'd make an effort. I wish they'd show up. I wish they'd reach out.
Starting point is 00:04:48 I wish they'd try a little bit harder. I wish they'd get healthier. I wish they'd, yeah, if they wanted to, they would. But guess what? It also applies to you. There are people in your life that wish you would make an effort, that wish you would change some aspect about you. And the truth about all of us is,
Starting point is 00:05:06 we do the things we feel like doing. And when it matters to you, you do it. It is hard to accept the fact that if you wanna know where somebody stands on an issue, watch their actions, that tells you exactly what they wanna do and what they don't wanna do. Do not listen to their words, because it's easy to say, yes, no, I do this, I'll do that to talk the talk, but talk is cheap.
Starting point is 00:05:30 And so it is hard to accept that if they wanted to, they would. And the truth about you is if you wanted to, you would. And so I wanted to kind of like say this swings both ways. Everything that we're going to talk about is true about other people, and it's also true about you. And I like reminding both of us that because it gives you a level of humility and a little bit more compassion
Starting point is 00:05:56 when you get into situations with people where they're not doing what you want them to do. That brings me to our first question from Lisa. Hi, Mel. My name is Lisa and I have a question for you. Mel, I am currently struggling with being a more tolerant person. I struggle with accepting others and their bullshit. We all have bullshit and we all have to carry it, deal with it and unload it. Don't get me wrong, I have worked on myself for years, trying to be better and do better. But damn, I want to scream sometimes, just be better.
Starting point is 00:06:36 I have had to deal with so much in life, but I've always wanted more for myself and my family, regardless of the shit that life serves up. Meeting people where they are in life is so important. I know and understand this, but my patience is tried when people wallow. Any advice, Mel? Okay, I love this question,
Starting point is 00:07:00 and I'm sure you can relate to it as much as I can relate to it. And before I dig into this, I want to divide Lisa's questions into two different topics, okay? So the first topic is her frustration that people don't want to do better. That's topic number one. Topic number two is how to deal with what's really irritating, which is people who, while
Starting point is 00:07:26 I was her word, I say marinate, commiserate, just absolutely at some level love their bullshit. You know those people, some's always wrong, they're always complaining, the weather's always bad, or they're always unhealthy. They're like, you know that kind of person. So let's start with the first part of that, which is this frustration that you hear in Lisa's voice. I just want them to do better. I've done better.
Starting point is 00:07:57 There's almost like an arrogance and a judgment in that, right? That, oh, well, if I fix myself, you should fix yourself. If I can do this, then you should do this. And to me, that's toxic positivity, just assuming that because you've done it that somebody else should. And I'm emphasizing the word should, because should holds judgment.
Starting point is 00:08:19 If you have the perspective that if I've done it, then you could do it too. That's inspiration. That's helping somebody. And so what you want to make sure that you're doing is that if you're frustrated, that you're coming from a place of love and coming from a place of wanting to help somebody, rather than coming from a place of judgment of the should, of the, you know, you're not doing this, you're not doing that because we've all been on the receiving end of that, right?
Starting point is 00:08:53 Where somebody's beaten you down because they've done something and they think you should do something. I can give you a really good example of this because I think there's a big difference of somebody being capable of doing something and somebody not being capable yet. As a person that is new to personal development
Starting point is 00:09:14 and I'm talking about myself, I've only known about personal development for just over 10 years, I am new to therapy. I mean, I've been engaged in therapy for a long time, but I feel like it takes a while to understand that there are certain things that a lot of people have never even thought about or been taught. I mean, I didn't bump into a lot of the topics that I'm talking about right now until I was in my mid-40s. For example, I'll give you one. I didn't bump into a lot of the topics that I'm talking about right now until I was in my mid-40s.
Starting point is 00:09:46 For example, I'll give you one. I didn't truly understand trauma. When I heard the word trauma, I thought that that was something that people that served in the military had. I thought that you had to be on a tour of duty and see absolutely something horrific or be somewhere where there's extreme violence or be the victim of a really violent crime. I did not realize that there's big tea trauma and there's little tea trauma. I didn't realize that growing up in a household where you experience emotional abuse, or you have parents that are distant or mismatched,
Starting point is 00:10:27 or maybe you experience a childhood where there's a lot of poverty or there is discrimination. These are all forms of trauma. I had no idea. And so there are people in your life that would love to change, but they can't right now, because they don't even understand that they are trapped in some kind of a trauma pattern. They're not aware of it. They're people in your life that would love to have the level of fitness that you have,
Starting point is 00:10:54 and love to have the level of discipline that you have. But they're not capable of it right now because they maybe are struggling with depression, or maybe they don't have the family structure around them that is supportive that you have, or maybe they didn't have the experiences that you've had in your life that have allowed you to develop the habits that you've had. And so I think it's really important
Starting point is 00:11:16 when you start to feel yourself frustrated with other people to check your ego and to ask yourself, well, am I in the lane of wanting someone to better themselves because I care about them and I see potential in them? Or am I in the other side of this, which is I'm being really judgy? That's where my frustration is coming from. And I'm assuming that somebody's got the resources and the ability and the support and the knowledge and all of the, I don't know, like motivation that you need in order to get started. And so I think it's super important step one that when you feel that frustration, when you feel yourself getting hooked, that you check yourself at the door,
Starting point is 00:12:10 do I want them to do this because I care about them or am I judging them and I think that they should do this because I think that what they're, when you get into that lane and you know it, you've got to take a breath, you got to recognize that you're you know it. You've got to take a breath. You've got to recognize that you're coming from superiority. And I want you to step to the other side because understanding is an act of love. Being compassionate is an act of love. Being tolerant of where somebody is is an
Starting point is 00:12:40 act of love. I'm going to give you an example for my own life. So just this morning, Chris yelled at me. That's my husband. And I'm kind of embarrassed to admit what happened to you. Because boy, oh boy, I will tell you, if Chris heard Lisa's question, he would say, I'm struggling with being more tolerant of my wife, Mal. So here's what happened. Our new puppy, homey, is going to go to a puppy class. And in order to go to this puppy training class on Wednesday, he needs to be up to date on his vaccines,
Starting point is 00:13:22 right? No problem. Because when we got our puppy, when he was nine weeks old, I took him to the vet. He got all of his shots and that was great. I'm a responsible pet owner. This is fantastic. Then all of a sudden the podcast launched and I've been gone. So Chris looks at me this morning and says, why didn't you tell me that homey is not up to date
Starting point is 00:13:49 with his vaccines? I'm like, what are you talking about? I took him when we first got him. He said, mal, that was when he was 12 weeks old. He's almost 20 weeks old, Mal. He's missed two veterinarian appointments. He is eight weeks late on getting his vaccinations. I'm laughing because I feel so bad. And I said, well, I, I, and he, he's
Starting point is 00:14:17 like, didn't you make follow-up appointments? I said, yes, yes. Where's his folder, you know, that came with them when we got him as a puppy. I borrowed a Sharpie from the vet when I was checking out and I wrote the dates in there. And sure enough, we got the folder out and there were the two dates. I never put them in the calendar. Chris took the folder.
Starting point is 00:14:44 And this is a man who never gets upset. He took that folder you guys. He slammed it shut. He slammed it against his desk. He stood up. He didn't even wheel around on his chair. He stood up. The chair rolled away and he said,
Starting point is 00:15:10 Mel, don't give me this ADHD shit. I know you have a lot going on, but you have a living and breathing animal that you are supposed to be taking care of. This is not acceptable. You have to do better. And there's the dog barking on cue. Apparently he agrees. I can't make this up.
Starting point is 00:15:29 Everybody hates me right now. You know, and here's the thing like, I know that Chris wanted to scream. Chris is screaming at me. Just be better. And I know that I'm now going to get flooded with comments and emails about this. I'm okay with that. I know I'm going to get a lot of advice about ADHD. I'm going to get a lot of you that think I'm a terrible pet owner. I'm okay with that. I know I'm gonna get a lot of advice about ADHD. I'm gonna get a lot of you that think
Starting point is 00:15:47 I'm a terrible pet owner. I'm cool with that. This is what actually happened this morning. And here's what I had to say to Chris. I want to do better. I don't think I can right now. I am so busy at work. I do not have an assistant. I am terrible with the calendars, I'm actually
Starting point is 00:16:07 impressed that I wrote the dates down that they gave to me, I thought I'd put them in the calendar criss. But my brain is dropping balls left and right. And so the reason why I'm telling you this story is I'm not letting myself off the hook. I am motivated to try to figure out how to improve the systems that I have and improve the level of support that I have because I don't want to be dropping these balls. Chris doesn't need to get frustrated at me for me to feel like shit about this. Of course I want to do better. But this is one of those instances where my brain doesn't work like his.
Starting point is 00:16:43 I can't just like Chris's Mr. foundational operations guy, Chris methodically sits and organizes and can sit still. He's really good with tech and with Excel spreadsheets. I am the opposite. I am absolutely the opposite. And so the reason why I'm telling you this story is because I guarantee you you have somebody in your life that my gosh You just want to bang your head against the wall and you can tell yourself that they wanted to they would and that's true for some things
Starting point is 00:17:13 It is true It's true for whether or not people want to show up at an event It's true for whether or not people reach out to you. It's true for whether or not people make an effort It's true for whether or not people make an effort. It's true for whether or not people are engaging in healthy habits if they wanted to, they would. And then there are sometimes that it's really important in your life in order to manage your own frustration. To be a little bit more empathetic, that if they could, they would. And I'll tell you, I am motivated to get the support that I need so that I do not drop balls like this because I want to do better.
Starting point is 00:17:52 And having Chris yell at me, he was actually kind of helpful this morning because it just allowed him to be frustrated. It allowed me to see that this really is a big deal because he keeps picking up the slack on my behalf. And that's not a great solution either. And so here's kind of where the takeaway is on that. At the end of the day, it's about managing your energy. And when you allow somebody else's consistent behavior, I'm not talking about stuff where
Starting point is 00:18:23 people are breaking the laws or they're addicted to something or you know Something that's super super destructive But I've been married to Chris for 26 years and I've been this forgetful and this bad the entire time we have been together This is not new Mel Robbins. I am definitely overwhelmed with the launch of this podcast and the move to Vermont and all the travel recently and not having an assistant right now. But this is standard. I have wanted to change this my whole life and I'm trying, man, at a little bit of empathy and support goes a long way. Because if you don't give that to the people in your life, if you're not more tolerant of the things that they're not capable of, they're just going to feel demoralized and ashamed. And so, yes, if they wanted to, they would. And make sure that if it's a situation where they can't really,
Starting point is 00:19:16 or it's really hard for them, that you bring a little bit more empathy because that's going to help them. We got to take a quick break, but when we come back, you and I are gonna jump deeper into Lisa's question and we'll be starting with rule number two. Okay. Welcome back. Welcome back. Remember, Lisa?
Starting point is 00:19:41 I am currently struggling with being a more tolerant person. Ooh, we can all relate to her, Lisa? I am currently struggling with being a more tolerant person. Ooh, we can all relate to her, right? You're just frustrated, you're trying to be more tolerant, but dammit, why can't the people in your life change? That's why I gotta remind you rule number two. You can't make someone else change. And here's the reason why this is so important.
Starting point is 00:20:02 When you put energy and you feel that kind of frustration with other people who either won't change or can't change, you're wasting energy. Imagine if you took all that energy that you're frustrated at other people and you just poured that energy in a positive direction to make your own life better. So, yes, try to be compassionate and understanding, but all of that energy and frustration that
Starting point is 00:20:28 you can hear in Lisa, I want to scream sometimes. I'm sure you do, because you're trying to make them change. That's why you're frustrated. And that brings me to the third rule. You got to stop being mad at people for not being who you want them to be. I will never be a accountant. I will never be somebody who is OCD detail oriented. That's not me. My genius is in being creative. It's in connecting with people. It's, you know, flying by the seat of my pants. That's
Starting point is 00:21:02 my genius. And somehow, Chris and I have made it work for 26 years. And I think it has to do with the fact that we are 99 percent compassionate, understanding, and supportive of one another. And then there's those 1 percent moments that happen today over me being a dumbass about the new puppy. And of course, I feel terrible about it. But I will never be Susie Q with the calendar. That's just not who I'm supposed to be in life and that's okay, but I can be more responsible about getting the support I need so I don't leave other people in breakdown.
Starting point is 00:21:39 We are going to get into boundaries because I know you're already going to, well, what do you do Mel? But what about we will get there. But I want to address one other aspect of Lisa's question, and it's this. Meeting people where they are in life is so important. I know and understand this, but my patience has tried when people wallow any advice, Mal,
Starting point is 00:22:03 I'm going to give you a specific tactic for people who wallow. I call this the six-month rule. The people in your life get six months to wallow in anything. They have six months to wallow about the divorce, they have six months to wallow about the way they've put on, they have six months, to wallow about the job they lost or the circumstances or the weather or whatever else. And once the wallowing passes the six month mark, you have a boundary to draw, okay? And this boundary works like a fricking charm
Starting point is 00:22:42 because number one, if they don't want to, they're not going to change. You're just going to wallow. Number two, you can't make them change, so don't even try. And number three, you got to stop being mad about this person not being a person that you want them to be. But you can draw a boundary, and you want to hear the boundary, it's the six month rule. I'll give you an example for my own life. So I have a friend that got a divorce after a really like, her, it was like, you know one of those divorces, it's just ugly, just ugly, ugly, ugly. And the divorce was finalized, okay? This friend of mine, every time I saw her,
Starting point is 00:23:24 constantly complaining about the X and the this and the that and the other thing and the other thing and the other thing. And finally, after six months, I looked at her and I said, you are no longer allowed to talk about this in front of me. I have recommended therapists, I have been a good friend, I have given you books to read, all of which you have done nothing about.
Starting point is 00:23:48 I am no longer available to be a soundboard for your wallowing because it is clear to me that you don't want to do anything about this. The second that you would like to change us, I am here to support you, I am here to help you, but I am not available for you to stay stuck. I am here to support you. I am here to help you. But I am not available for you to stay stuck. I care about you too much. So if you'd like to go complain to somebody else, please do. But you are not allowed to bring this person's name up. You're not allowed to talk about your marriage, your ex-marriage, your ex-any of it. I'm not available for that anymore. And an interesting thing will happen. That
Starting point is 00:24:25 person will be mortified. And they probably won't call you for a while because they're still addicted to their wallowing. You're not trying to change them. Isn't that interesting? You're not trying to change them. You didn't say, stop wallowing. You said, I'm not available for it. So you know who changed in that relationship? You did. You changed what you're available for. When you understand and you accept these three truths about people, if they wanted to, they would, you know, unless they can't. Number two, you can't change anybody.
Starting point is 00:24:58 And number three, stop being mad at people for not being who you want them to be. You take all the power back. None of this says you can't change. And so when you get frustrated by somebody else complaining, cut off access to the complaining, you're not saying I don't love you, you're actually saying the opposite. You're saying I love you so much
Starting point is 00:25:15 that I'm not gonna be a part of you staying stuck. And as long as I listen to this garbage come out of your mouth, you are gonna be stuck. I'm not here for it. I'm here for your transformation. I am here for you not here for it. I'm here for your transformation. I am here for you creating a better life. I'm here for you moving on. I'm here for you no longer giving air time
Starting point is 00:25:31 to this asshole that you're divorced to. I am here for your future. I am no longer here for your past. When your friend is ready to change, guess what? They will, because they will want to. And you know, one of the things that I want to say before you move on to question number two is that I think a lot of us learn that part of a relationship is struggle. You can just hear the tension in Lisa's question. I struggle with accepting others and their bullshit.
Starting point is 00:26:06 I want to scream sometimes, just be better. Well, what if I told you that it doesn't have to be that way? That maybe if you're in relationships that feel like a lot of work, that that's a sign that the relationships that you're in are no longer working for you. And one of the fastest ways to get rid of the struggle is drop the rope. Now, what does that mean? So think about tug of war. When you are playing a game of tug of war, where you're on one side of the rope and you got other people on the other side of the rope and you're pulling back and forth and it's a lot
Starting point is 00:26:44 of fun, pulling, yanking, yanking. You wanna know the best way to end tug of war? As somebody goes to yank backwards, let go of the rope. They fall on their ass and then yank the rope back towards you. Who said that's not fair? That of course that's fair. Letting go of the struggle often makes the struggle go away. And so notice that Lisa's question was,
Starting point is 00:27:07 Mel, I'm struggling to be a more tolerant person. And so the way you become more tolerant is accept those three things about people. If they wanted to, they would, if they could, they would. Number two, you can't make them change. Number three, stop being mad at them for not being who you want. And then you've learned some other things.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Doesn't mean you can't change. Doesn't mean you can't draw boundaries. Doesn't mean you can't say, you can do all this stuff you want, but don't do it in front of me. I have another example of that. I have a friend who is dating somebody and she adores him. Absolutely adores him. And then confessed to me. But you know, when he goes out with his guy friends, the gamble, and he discoke, and I'm not down with them. Don't tell me. Tell him. You're not going to change him, but you can tell him, I got a boundary. Don't you do that around me? That'll make somebody think.
Starting point is 00:27:59 Because you're following the three rules. You're not trying to change them, but you're very clear about what your values are and what's good for you. You didn't say don't do that. You said don't do it around me. Big difference. That makes somebody stop and think, doesn't it? It's going to make somebody question, well, what am I doing?
Starting point is 00:28:21 If this person I really care about doesn't want it done around me, maybe I should start thinking about what I want done around me. I like it because it's sneakier and it's the truth and it works with these three rules. Okay. So we've covered a lot. I think we should take a quick breath. We should probably hear a word from our sponsors, don't you think? Because one of the reasons why I love our sponsors is because we're in a relationship, it's a give and take. We can give you this podcast for free because of the support of our sponsors. So let's take a quick listen and we'll be right back with an incredible question. That's all about what you do when the people around you don't support the changes you're
Starting point is 00:29:04 trying to make. We'll be right back. Okay, welcome back. I got to tell you, I can tell I'm feeling very nervous that I told you that story about me missing my puppies. Vaccinations. I'm bracing, bracing for the feedback from this episode. Not only because I expect a lot of you to have comments about me missing vet appointments, but also because I think it's a real wake-up call when you start to look at how much you're trying to change other people. We all do it. You know, you want somebody to be healthier.
Starting point is 00:29:50 I'm sitting here thinking to myself that I really worry about my brother and I want him to be healthier. He's six foot five. He's a big guy. He's always had a big build. And I worry because you know the ticker, the heart, it works extra hard when you're a tall guy. And so, you know, I can't make him change.
Starting point is 00:30:15 I can love him, I can tell him I'm worried about him, but he's got to be the one that is motivated to do it. And one of the things that I did because I'm guilty of wishing people would change. I'm guilty of being frustrated. I've shared with a lot of you that I really miss my parents. We don't live near each other. And I'd like them to come visit us here in Southern Vermont.
Starting point is 00:30:40 They're down in Florida and they don't want to travel over the holidays. And I have a choice. I can accept them and love them, or I can feel frustrated and want to change them. And what is feeling frustrated and wanting to change the people that you love do? It just makes you feel frustrated. It makes you feel negative energy.
Starting point is 00:30:58 When you're trying to change somebody, you're not loving them. You're judging them. Accepting somebody where they are and offering support in a way that feels loving and supportive, meet people where they are because trust me. Everybody that you know is so damn hard on themselves. If you're worried about their weight,
Starting point is 00:31:22 I promise you they're worried about it too. If you're worried about their drinking unless they're ploughed all day long, they're worried about it too. If you're worried about their finances or their marriage, I guarantee you, they are too. And so you adding your worry only increases their tension, your tension. It just adds on shame and pushes people away. So if you really want to be closer with people, come from connection, come from acceptance, come from love. I'm not saying
Starting point is 00:31:53 this from some high and mighty thing. I think you can tell that I struggle with this shit. I am a work in progress like we all are. Which takes me to our next question from a listener named Dan. Now Dan has been applying what he's learning on this podcast. He is so proud, he's really working on himself, he's making positive changes, he's all excited about him, and here he is reflecting on the impact that all of this changes had, positive for him,
Starting point is 00:32:24 kind of negative for his wife. In doing this work, I was able to see myself grow, not only by my daily actions, but also by the way I started to think. One day, my wife and I were chatting in the kitchen, and she actually said to me, to stop acting like I'm on a pedestal. A selfish Mr. No-It-All,
Starting point is 00:32:44 which I had no idea I was doing. So this got me thinking perhaps my change was affecting her and for some reason I felt I was at fault. Can you speak specifically to your transition from being a regular parent to being mouthhucking robins and how you overcame the family's shake-up and what was all happening around that time? Thank you. Woo! Okay, this is a great question.
Starting point is 00:33:07 So one thing first, you know, how I went from being just like a normal person to quote Mel Robbins, there was not like some overnight thing that happened. I am who I am today because of the work that I've done over probably a decade. Like this is not like I won the lottery and I went from being broke to being a millionaire. This is, I went from being nearly bankrupt and basically a drunk on the verge of divorce
Starting point is 00:33:35 in 2008 to 14 years later meticulously one foot in front of the other, slowly changing, slowly learning about myself. And so my family has had the benefit of seeing a slow, I mean, sometimes, so tedious evolution. Because that's what true change is. It doesn't happen overnight. It happens over time. But what you're talking about is really important for us all to understand. And this is one of the most common questions that I get. It doesn't matter who you are, what kind of change you're making.
Starting point is 00:34:14 The fact is, when you make a change, you create ripples that hit other people. Whether you intend to or not, I didn't see this for a long time. I was guilty of being the kind of person that it sounds like you may be, that when you're really excited about something, you become a huge cheerleader. Let's all go gluten-free, let's all become vegan.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Oh, the best thing in the world is keto. Oh, you know what we should do? We should take this seminar. We should all exercise. We should do this. We should do that. You should become an entrepreneur. And when you do that, it can come off to other people like you think you're better than them. Now that you've quit smoking or you've quit drinking or you suddenly don't eat animals because you're a vegetarian. That sounded terrible. Now, that makes me want to be a vegetarian, not as we would say it that way, but you know what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:35:11 And so, let me explain why that happens. Okay. Number one, everybody. Any change you make impacts, any relationship you're in. Because relationships are about energy, and relationships are also about overlapping patterns. And if you think about that, it's true.
Starting point is 00:35:33 The people that you feel close as to in terms of your friend group are people that you click with. It also happens that you probably have a lot of overlapping patterns, whether it's you have patterns of interest that overlap or you work together in that overlap or you have kids the same age in that overlap, so you live in the same neighborhood in that overlap. And so it's this energy and this pattern thing. The second you change anything in your life, energy shifts and patterns change. And that means
Starting point is 00:35:59 every relationship is going to change. That's not anything you can avoid. It's a fact of life. every relationship is going to change. That's not anything you can avoid. It's a fact of life. If you decide that you suddenly want to launch a side business, all of a sudden you're not going to have time on Saturday nights to hang out with your buddies playing poker, it's a fact because you're going to be interested in working on your side business. And as you work on your side business, you're going to start meeting other people that do the same kind of business. And because you are interested in that, you're going to start meeting other people that do the same kind of business. And because you are interested in that, you're going to be spending more time with them. Patterns change.
Starting point is 00:36:30 I want you to accept that as a fact. It doesn't mean anything's wrong. But let's talk about the issue that you're facing with your wife, okay? Because this is what you need to understand about other people. Your changes do not inspire other people. They confront them. I'm going to say that again. Your changes do not inspire other people. They confront them.
Starting point is 00:36:55 And I'm going to give you a famous example. From my marriage, I am once again, the jerk in the story and Chris is the winner. There's no winners. That was me being funny. Chris is the transform one. I'm the jerk. Okay. So a couple years ago, Chris made this decision that he was going to stop drinking for a while.
Starting point is 00:37:22 And I was so excited for him. He had had a major problem with alcohol as the restaurant business was really struggling. It was basically the way that he dealt with his stress. And so when he got out of the restaurant business, he's like, I gotta make major changes. I gotta stop drinking. I need to get healthy.
Starting point is 00:37:39 I gotta figure out who I am and what I wanna do with my life. And so he decided step number one, not drinking. I'm like, yes. I was a yes for about two days. And then by day three, dinner time rolls around. And I had a habit of loving to open up a bottle of wine while I was cooking. And so day one and day two, I did not do that. I was supportive of my husband's change. And day three, I'm like, I think I'm gonna have glass wine, just because he's not drinking doesn't mean I can't drink.
Starting point is 00:38:10 And by the way, Chris was also amazing in that he wasn't like, I'm doing this, you need to do this. He's like, I'm doing this for myself. So I open up the bottle of wine, and I'm cooking and Chris is standing there and the kids are running around and I take out the wine glass and I'm like, gl gl gl gl gl gl gl gl. And then I say, hey, would you like to have a glass? And he's like, nope. Like, he sure. I mean, it's basically just
Starting point is 00:38:33 juice, you know, it's not that big of a deal. It's not like you're having some bourbon. He's like, no, I don't want any wine, Mel. Like, come on. And he looks at me, kind of like you did this morning, actually, with a veterinary story. He looks at me very frustrated. And he said, Mal, I don't want to drink. Stop asking me to have a glass of wine. And I was like, whoo, you know, because of course when somebody serious with you,
Starting point is 00:39:00 you're like, oh, you know, shoo. I told you I was the jerk. And then I said, I'm sorry, cheese, you know, shoo. I told you I was a jerk. And then I said, I'm sorry, cheese, you know, I just feel bad, because you know, I feel bad having a glass of wine on my own. And then he said something that was a mic drop. He said, if you're concerned about what's in your glass, then maybe you should figure out your relationship to drinking.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Because the fact is, Mel, nobody cares what's in your glass, but you. And if me putting non-alcoholic celtar in my glass makes you think about what's in your glass, then you've got some changing to do. And he's right. And this is my point. If somebody is confronted by your change, it's because your change is making them think about what they're doing or not doing in their own life. Just like Chris's decision to stop drinking made me think about my decision to have a glass of wine while I was cooking dinner every night. And here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:40:18 He's right. Nobody gives a shit what's in your glass. But people who get confronted, it's easier for them to attack you, or to get you to change your behavior, then to take a look in the mirror and change their own. It's easier for me to question what Chris is doing, than to look in the mirror and go,
Starting point is 00:40:40 well, should I have a glass wine? Maybe I don't want a glass wine. Maybe it's just some dumb habit that I've had for 10 years. And I don't really care about drinking wine, but now Chris is making me think about that. And it's a hell of a lot easier for me to question him than for me to question me. There's actually science around this.
Starting point is 00:40:54 It's called my side bias. There is so much research about this cognitive bias. That's a fancy word for your brain. It has certain ways that it thinks that are totally screwed up. And my side bias is what's called a true blind spot. It doesn't matter how smart you are. It doesn't matter how much money you have,
Starting point is 00:41:19 how educated you are. My side bias impacts absolutely every single one of us. What does that mean? That means once we have an opinion about something, we will argue for our side no matter what. Once we vote for a candidate, oh, that person even though they suck and they disappointed me, I'm going to argue for that candidate. This is my side bias. Chris is going to argue that not drinking is the best thing on the planet. And I'm going to argue that there's nothing wrong with having a glass of wine. And here's the problem with my side bias. Number one, it prevents you from being open to other ideas, other possibilities. Maybe you don't want to have a glass of wine when
Starting point is 00:42:03 you cooked dinner. Maybe you don't want to be a glass of wine when you cook dinner. Maybe you don't want to be playing poker with your buddies in their garage every Saturday night. You really would like to get started on that real estate business you've been thinking about for years. But instead, we argue for our side. In fact, at the University of Toronto, there is a doctor. He's also a professor, Dr. Keith Stanovich. He's a psychologist that teaches there. He has done so much research on my side bias. He's considered the scientist, scientist, when it comes to the field of cognitive science.
Starting point is 00:42:37 And some of the research that I dug up is I was looking at this because I was curious. Why are we so resistant to change? Why is it that when a friend of ours wants to roll out of bed and go to the gym at seven o'clock in the morning, we tend to roll our eyes instead of rolling out of bed with them? Well, it has to do with this my side bias. In fact, there's interesting research here, and this is why it's so important for you to do what Chris did, which is don't try to make somebody else change. Don't try to make them have the
Starting point is 00:43:09 water instead of the wine. Don't try to make them positive when they're wallowing. Don't try to make them healthy when they're not because based on the research, when you give somebody a lecture, which is basically the way that it feels
Starting point is 00:43:23 when somebody says, you know, you should lose some weight. You know, maybe you're drinking a little bit. That's a lecture, which is basically the way that it feels when somebody says, you know, you should lose some weight. You know, maybe you're drinking a little bit. That's a lecture. Only 3% of people change when they feel like the change is being forced upon them. 3% those are not great odds. You want to know better odds? When they think it's their idea. 37% of people will change when they believe the idea came from
Starting point is 00:43:49 themselves. That is so important because if you actually would love to see people in your life make positive changes, you have to operate so that they believe the change is their own. So let me go back to the example with Chris. So if Chris had told me that he thinks I have a drinking problem, I would resist that because of the my side bias. I would argue, oh no, I don't, that that that that that that that. But when he says, nobody cares what's in your glass but you and if you're concerned about what's in your glass based on what I'm doing, then you need to think about what you should be doing, Mel. By asking that question and forcing me to think about my own behavior and my own choices,
Starting point is 00:44:33 of course whatever I do next is going to become my idea, because he's forced me to think about what I actually want to do. So back to Dan. I'm sure Dan, your wife feels judged. So first of all, apologize if anything that you've done in terms of your enthusiasm made your wife feel less than super simple thing to do. You can certainly invite her to participate with you, but do not tell her to, But do not tell her to, do not lecture her about it, do not force anything on her at all, because now you know only 3% of people ever change when they feel like the change is something somebody else wants them to do or is forcing them to do or is lecturing them about.
Starting point is 00:45:19 So that's takeaway number one. Take away number two. You can ask your wife questions, why does this bother you? What about what I'm doing inspires you? Is there anything that you would want me to change? Invite that kind of dialogue and you're going to open something up because if your wife or your spouse or your partner, your roommate, your friend, whatever, like let's take this broader than dance question.
Starting point is 00:45:44 If somebody in your life is confronted by the changes that you're making, their passive aggressive, they roll their eyes, this is normal. I want you to stop for a second and let's come back to a little bit of compassion. Your behavior sent a ripple that's making them feel triggered. And we know it's easier to question you than to question themselves. But trust me, if they're questioning you, they're also questioning themselves. And so remember the three rules.
Starting point is 00:46:16 If they wanted to or if they could, they would. Number two, you can't make them change. You can make them laugh, you can make them think, you can make them feel included, but you can't make them change. You can make them laugh, you can make them think, you can make them feel included, but you can't make them change. And number three, please stop being mad that they're not who you want them to be. They may never be who you want them to be. Loving somebody means loving them where they are and where they're not. It means loving and accepting them for who they are and where they're not. It means loving and accepting them for who they are and who
Starting point is 00:46:45 they're not. Now remember, you can have boundaries with her and she can have boundaries with you. Maybe your tone of voice is a little luxury, but she loves hearing about it. She just doesn't want to hear it as if it's a lecture or if she has to participate or if there's something wrong with her for not doing it. Chris, I have to say, handled this like a boss. He actually handled this like a boss in something going on right now. So my husband, Chris, has a rock solid morning routine. Every morning, when that alarm goes off at 5.45
Starting point is 00:47:19 and I roll over to my left and I see that Chris is already up, he's already up in Adam. And when I walk into the kitchen and I see his gallon jug of water and he's already drunk a quarter of it. And it's only 615 in the morning. And at 6.30 a.m. after I've written in my journal and I've had my cup of coffee and I've set my intentions and he's come in from his first workout of the day with our two dogs trailing behind. He doesn't say, you should be doing this. Why aren't you ex, oh, you're up now? No, he's just focused on what's making him happy.
Starting point is 00:47:59 And what's interesting is all these changes he's making, it is sending a ripple effect. You know what it's doing? It's making me go hmm. I Wonder what would happen if I got up a little bit earlier Might be kind of nice to get up with him and take that walk with the dogs outside of it Wonder what would happen if I took on this structure and so The truth is Chris made a change. It sent ripples through our marriage and our relationship. And he never said a damn word about it. The change
Starting point is 00:48:34 itself is impacting me and making me think. Pretty cool how that works, huh? And one more thing, focus on you. Protect your energy because when you protect your energy, you create peace and your life. And that is something that I want you to protect at all costs. You know, my mission is to empower you, inspire you, to be connected to you so that you feel like you want to do the things that are gonna create a better life. You know, it's my hope that when you listen to this podcast, you think it's your idea
Starting point is 00:49:11 to do these things. Like if I do that, we are both winning. If you then share this podcast, guess what? When your friends and family listened to me, even though it was your idea to send them the episode, they're gonna think it was their idea. So I love the feedback that you're giving me that you love sending these episodes
Starting point is 00:49:34 to your friends and family because it is sending the message that you know you can't send. And you're not alone. My kids don't listen to me either. If I try to tell Chris what to do, we now know because of my side bias, they're going to resist it. But when you listen to a podcast episode, I'm just getting the genius of this. You think it's your idea? I love that. And you know what it is, your idea. Because at the end of the day, you're the one who's responsible for your happiness and for creating the life that really lights you up. And when you bring more understanding and compassion to your relationships and you stop being mad at people because they can't do what you need them to do.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Trust me, you will be a happier person. Life will get easier. Huh! So thank you for being here. I love you. In case nobody tells you that because your changes are pissing them off right now. That's alright. Just smile at them.
Starting point is 00:50:41 Love them up and know that your friend Mel Robbins loves you, and I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to focus on yourself and do the work to create a better life and ignore the people who get pissed off when you do. All right, I'll talk to you in a few days. Stitcher.

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