The Mel Robbins Podcast - How to Build Closer Friendships & Get Rid Of Loneliness

Episode Date: June 24, 2024

Why is adult friendship so hard? Today, Mel is finally having the conversation on how to find your people, have more fun, and create meaningful friendships as an adult. In this deeply relatable episode, you’ll learn the 5 lies that you tell yourself about friendship that are keeping you from having the best relationships of your life—and the truths you must know. If you’ve been feeling lonely, left out, or just like your friendships are not as strong as they used to be, you’ll feel empowered and encouraged by the time you finish listening. Mel is giving you her exact 3-step playbook for finding, making, and strengthening your relationships. This is an encore episode with new and exciting insights from Mel at the top of the episode, that is packed with tools, tips, and scripts to create more meaningful friendships. For more resources, including links to the studies mentioned in the episode, click here for the podcast episode page. If you liked this episode, especially the last 10 minutes of it (you’ll have to listen to know what I’m talking about!) you’ll love this one next: This One Hack Will Unlock Your Happier LifeConnect with Mel: Watch the episodes on YouTubeGo deeper with Mel’s free video course, Make It HappenFollow Mel on Instagram The Mel Robbins Podcast InstagramMel's TikTok Sign up for Mel’s personal letter Disclaimer

Hey, it's your friend Mel and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. Yeah, I'm going to start by admitting something to you. I'm not really proud of this, but I think you're going to relate to it. This morning, I went down a little bit of a rabbit hole and it just was kind of one of these moments that wasn't that big of a deal, but it kind of came one, you know? You know, it just started off like any other morning. I had my coffee and I pick up my phone, and so naturally, of course, I hop on social media. And it seemed like every single post in my feed was of people having an amazing time. They were like at reunions and weddings and birthday parties and concerts and bachelorette weekends and dinners out

and girls weekends. And I just started to feel like, does everybody have plans with me? I know my daughters complain a lot about this. And I also know that, you know, it's not just women. It's guys too that feel like, oh, wait a minute, is everybody else getting together and I'm the one that is left out?

And you've probably had this same experience, right? Where you're sitting there, you're scrolling on Instagram and you're like, oh my God, I don't feel like I have any friends anymore. Am I the only one in the planet who doesn't have plans to do something cool this weekend? What the heck?

And before I went any further, I knew that I needed to get up here above my garage and get on the microphone and talk to you about this, because I know I'm not the only one. And this is a topic, adult friendship, that everybody is thinking about and talking about, from making new friends, to how do you stay connected to your old ones,

to the thing that's really hard. What do you do when your friendships start to fade and you feel like you have no friendships? And this is something I've been wanting to talk about because I need you to know, I am shoulder to shoulder with you right now, feeling a little lonely, feeling a little bit like a loser, feeling a little left out and wondering,

where did all my friends go? Hey, it's your friend Mel and I am so glad that you're here with me today. It's always such an honor to spend time together, and I like to start by acknowledging you for choosing to listen to something that could help you create a better life. I just think that is so cool that you're taking time for yourself. And if you're a new listener, welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast family. Today, you and I are going to talk about the topic of adult friendship and particularly why is it so hard?

And I was just confessing to you that I engaged this morning in a form of self-torture that I call, look at Instagram and convince yourself that you're the only loser on the planet that has no plans, never seen your friends, always on the outside looking in, and I know you've been there. Right? You've seen a photo of someone that you know, and you think to yourself, oh my gosh, they look so fantastic. They're so happy.

And you smile, and you think to yourself, oh, I just love that person. And then you make that fatal mistake. You take your little finger and you start to swipe through the carousel of the photos of your friend's post and you realize, oh my gosh, they just went out with this huge group of people. They had the night of their lives. They're dancing, they're drinking, they're out to dinner, they're laughing, they're dressed up. And then you realize, I know every person there. And I wasn't included.

And in those moments, as you sit on the couch and your back melds to it and you become a stalker, now you're checking everybody else's account that was at the thing last night, and you're seeing how big of a fun night this was, and you're realizing I'm on the outside, I thought it was on the inside. It's like there's only two options.

Option one, you immediately hate all these people, and you make them wrong, and you get this huge story in your mind about them excluding you, or option two, you aim all of that insecurity and loneliness right back at yourself and you make yourself feel bad. And I'm here to tell you that there is another option, that there is the option to wake up

and take responsibility for your social life and for your adult friendships. And you don't need to make yourself wrong, okay? Here's what you need to know. When you're an adult, friendship is no longer a group sport, okay? And you cannot sit around waiting for everybody else to make plans for you.

And I personally have made this huge mistake where I've spent way too much time looking at what everybody else is doing, hoping that I would be remembered and included instead of looking in the mirror and figuring out how am I gonna get out of my own way? And what I've come to realize is that there are five lies that I have kept telling myself over and over and over again, and these five lies keep me from taking the steps

that actually create the friendships that you and I deserve. And you know what? I guarantee you, you are telling yourself these same five lies. And that is gonna end today. No more sitting on the couch. No more stalking people on Instagram. No more telling yourself stupid stories

that everybody hates you because they don't. And no more telling yourself that you're not in the group. Da da da da da da da. Because these lies, they are keeping you from seeing the biggest truth of all. You need friendship. You deserve friendship. And you deserve to have fun.

And you can create that if you want to, so can I. But there are a few changes that you have to make, and there's a few lies that you need to face. And today, I'm gonna share the five things that I had to face. And before we jump into these things, I have one more thing that I wanna remind you of. While you're sitting there on the couch

feeling sorry for yourself, you're forgetting that you are also the friend that someone else needs right now. But you've been so busy convincing yourself that every adult that you know is having the time of their lives and you're not now doing the simple things that will help you not only start having the

time of your life, but also meet the people that you're supposed to meet. And that brings me to a huge takeaway that I know you've heard me say before, but I want to start here. It is so important that I am going to say this again. Some of the most amazing people that you will meet in your lifetime, I'm going to say this again. Some of the most amazing people that you will meet in your lifetime, I'm talking about your favorite people. You haven't even met yet.

Now, they may not be sitting on the couch with you right now, but they are waiting, waiting for you on the road ahead. Don't you just love that idea? I want you to really feel it. Some of your most favorite people that you're going to meet in your lifetime, you haven't met yet. How exciting is that?

I mean, instead of thinking about your social life as some giant thing that you've been left out of, I want you to think about it as an opportunity, that it is something that is yours to just reach out for. And all you need to do is to get started. So if you're feeling excited, good. Because that's where these five lies come in. So let's get into it, because I am right here shoulder to shoulder with you in this same struggle, okay? I thought my life would be a party. There would be barbecues every weekend, we'd be going on cruises and bike trips with friends,

I'd have all kinds of downtime to hang out with my buddies. What the hell has happened? It's like, I feel like the older I get, the more boring I get. This is how I would describe adult friendship, at least for Mel Robbins. And I'm sure you can relate to this. Adult friendship is literally bumping into people randomly

and being like, oh my God, it's so great to see you. We should get together. And then six months go by. And I know we kind of relate to that and we can laugh at it, but here's the thing I keep reminding myself, and I want to put this pin in it too for you. You ready? You're friends and you actually mean it when you say we should get together. But there's something that's standing in the way of us actually doing it.

And I'm going to tell you what it is. It's these five damn lies, okay? These lies that keep you feeling lonely and isolated. These lies that make you feel that adult friendship is hard. And these lies also make you and keep you lonely. And you're not the only one that feels this way. And there are simple things that both you and I can do that we don't feel like doing

that will fix this problem in our life. And it is a problem because friendship is so important and having fun is important and you deserve to feel connected to cool people and you are a cool person and so am I. And so I'm gonna make sure after we unpack these lies, you have three simple tools to turn this puppy around, okay? Because that's what I want for you

and it is certainly what I want for myself. So lie number one. Lie number one that you're telling yourself. Everybody's life is a huge party. That is such bullshit, okay? We have all gotten sucked into the fake life on social media. Everybody's life is not a huge party. Even if you live in a sorority or fraternity,

you may be lonely. You may not like the people that you're surrounded by. And so stop telling yourself this lie that everybody else's life looks like a huge party. And here's why you need to stop telling yourself this lie. It's so damaging because when you sit there and you compare where you're at to people's

fake lives on social media, you are comparing yourself to something that's not true, and you are invalidating your own life experience. And let me just stop and let's role play here. How is sitting on your couch scrolling through social media? Oh, they're going on vacation together. Oh, look at that nice bike trip. Oh, those people docked together for a bachelorette party. Oh, everybody's life is a party but mine.

How does that make you feel? Does that make you feel excited to text the friends that you have? Probably not. What does it do? It puts you in a mental death spiral. It makes you feel like a loser. It makes you feel left out. And yet you probably spend an hour a day on social media

just staring into the lives of strangers and convincing yourself that everybody's life is a party except for yours. No one's life is margaritas in Ibiza. That may be what influencers do, but that's not what normal people do. And the reason why you have to stop telling yourself this lie is because you will never feel motivated

to make the effort and you will never feel worthy of the kind of friendships you deserve if you are constantly swimming in the kind of friendships you deserve if you are constantly swimming in the toilet of comparison. So what is the truth? Truth number one, if you want your life to be a party, create it. That's truth number one. You know I'm guilty of this too. I'm guilty. I always know when I'm coaching myself because I go, that's number one. I always raise my voice because I'm also kind of trying to get you to listen. But I'm also like, hey, Mel, stop looking at everybody else and saying,

there's the party. Why am I not invited? And look in the mirror. If you actually want that for yourself, create it. I remember there was a period in my life where my business was really taking off and I was on the road all the time. And I started to realize I wasn't seeing my friends. There was a period in my life where my business was really taking off and I was on the road all the time and I started to realize I wasn't seeing my friends Where did all my friends go and I started to swim in the toilet of comparison?

I would get home at the end of the week from work and I would look on social media and I would see people out At the country club that we didn't belong to posting photos and I would see groups of people Getting together because their sons were on the same soccer team. We all do this. Maybe it's for you seeing people out at a bar tonight and you're not there, or somebody else's sorority looks way cooler than yours, or your friend is in this two-year program at a new job

and they are always out with their work friends and it looks so fun. We all do this. And for me personally, I started to convince myself that everyone else's life was a big party and I wasn't invited. And this is why this lie is so damaging. You tell yourself you're not invited to the party, and you start to feel like a loser that nobody likes.

And I felt that way for a couple of years. And finally one day I said to Chris, like, we just don't get invited anywhere. And Chris turned to me, it's so interesting. And he said, when's the last time we invited anybody over? Mic drop. Thank you, Chris Robbins. If you want your life to be a party, start throwing them and stop telling yourself the

lie that the party is somewhere else and you haven't been invited. Create your own. So that's truth number one. Truth number two is this. If you're swimming in that toilet of comparison and you're telling yourself everybody's life is a party but mine and you feel like a loser, I want to tell you something. You don't need a lot of friends. This is a huge myth that I think that modern life has slammed in our face thanks to social media,

because now we're aware of what everybody else is doing. The truth is, and this is based on research, you don't need a huge group of friends. If you have what researchers call a 4 a.m. friend, what is a 4 a.m. friend? A 4 a.m. friend is somebody in your life that if you called them at four o'clock in the morning, just because you wanted somebody to talk to, they would pick up.

I want you to stop and think for a minute. Let's say that you wake up at four o'clock in the morning and there's nothing really wrong. It's not like you have an emergency because I think in emergencies, there's lots of people you can call. But let's just say it's four o'clock in the morning and you wake up, can't go back to sleep,

you're feeling kind of lonely, you just want somebody to talk to. Who would you call? For me, I know I would call Jody, Jody Brickin. She's my best friend from elementary school. She has trouble sleeping. She's probably awake anyway. Hi, Jodes.

And she would pick up. I would call Amy. Amy is sitting right across from me right now. I could absolutely call Amy. I can think of, Jodes. And she would pick up. I would call Amy. Amy is sitting right across from me right now. I could absolutely call Amy. I can think of a couple people. I would call Gretchen Larkin. I would call Lisa Schwartz. There are a bunch of people in my life I could call.

So I'm doing okay. If there was one human being that popped into your mind that you could call at four o'clock in the morning, you are doing okay. And I also have a confession to tell you. As much as I am jealous of what looks like huge parties, and as much as I am the kind of person that thinks she wants to always be at a huge party,

the truth is I'm very extroverted in my work, but I'm really introverted in my personal life. It's okay if you're not the big girl gang or guy gang type of person. There's nothing wrong with you if you just prefer to run in a small circle. Now, I think my circle has gotten so small, it's basically become a dot,

but we're gonna get into that when we get into some of the other lies. But I need to say that loud and clear. It is okay to not have a huge friend group. Period. Like, there's nothing wrong with you. And in fact, the research shows that just having a couple super close friends, just one 4 a.m. friend, means you're doing really good, really good, and you can do the work to start building more friendships from there. So let's go to lie number two. Lie number two that you're telling yourself, because this is what I tell myself, it sounds

like this, I don't fit in. Or maybe you say this to yourself, people don't like me, that's me. You wanna know what is going on in the Mel Robbins head here? It's people don't like me. Or another way I would say this, you're mad at me. I just presume I've done something wrong. That's how screwed up my wiring is.

I'm working on this as you know. And so I'm gonna continue confessing how this plays out in my life. Because I know you look at me and you're like, you think people don't like you? But you are like the most confident person on the planet. Like, I don't, what do you mean? What I project is very different

than what the voice in my head is programmed to say. And that's why it's a lie. My voice in my head is programmed to say. And that's why it's a lie. My voice in my head tells me a lie and the voice in your head is telling you a lie too. Here's how this plays out for me. I am the kind of person that is always trying to read people's emotions. I wonder if people are upset with me. In fact, I don't even wonder if people are upset with me.

I just presume that they are. I'm the type of person that would put emojis behind any kind of text if I feel like that might be taken in the wrong way or might hurt somebody. And here's what I'm learning from the Mel Robbins podcast as we interview these experts and as I dig into your stories and DMs with you,

is that this is complete tomfoolery. It's not true. This is garbage from my childhood. Clearly I've got coping mechanisms and wiring that I developed when I was little that I don't want anymore as an adult. And so why is this lie so damaging? People don't like me. Well, let's role play this one. If you're sitting at your house or in your car or scrolling on social media and you're telling yourself the lie, I don't fit in, people don't like me. On a scale of zero to 10, how motivated are you to push yourself out there?

How about negative 27? That's how motivated you are. You are not only not motivated, you are more likely to hide. Because if you believe, because of this lie you've been telling yourself, that people don't like you, why on earth would you put yourself out there? This is why I need to shake both of us by the shoulders. This is why we got to start reaching for the truth. This is why we've got to combat this awful programming that tells us the lie that people don't like you.

It's not true. And I'm not just saying that because I like you. I'm not just saying that because I know you're a good person. I'm saying it because there is research around this. It's called the liking gap. And this research, hold on to your hats, people. This comes from psychologists at Cornell, Harvard, Yale. So we're talking smarty pants research here.

This means we gotta believe it, okay? What is the liking gap? It's this lie. It's the tendency to underestimate how well-liked you really are. See, you feel awkward about reaching out, and so do I, due to this liking gap. We don't reach out because we don't think people like us. We're underestimating the truth. What's the truth? People like you. Period. Nobody's mad at you. Period.

Stop living your life as if somebody's mad at you. How about we flip this instead? How about you start living your life assuming that people like you? What a radical idea. What a radical idea to walk into work and say to yourself, people like me here. What a radical idea to walk into a party this weekend or to a networking event and go, people like me here. I mean, that is a revolutionary idea.

I want you to stop and truly hear what I'm saying to you. You have spent your entire life trying to get people to like you. Feel that. It sucks. And when you realize you do believe this, that you have to get people to like you, or you have to act a certain way, or be a certain type of person that's different than who you really are, you know what you're doing?

You're rejecting yourself. Starting right now, today, let's make a promise to each other. Assume people like you. Assume that just the way you are is perfect and see what happens when you flip this mindset. What do you have to lose? You know, and I'm gonna tell you something.

I struggle with this. I struggle with it a lot. This is a big one for me, and I'm really working on it in my life, assuming people like me. And I'm telling you this, and I really want you to absorb what I'm trying to say to you, because I want us both to work on it. We're all sitting there swirling in this toilet of comparison and assuming that people don't like us and it's not true. So let's leverage the research from Cornell and Harvard and Yale and let's be smarter

about this. Let's not let our emotions and our insecurities from childhood ruin the potential of amazing adult friendships because when you tell yourself that lie, now you know it's destroying your desire to reach out and here is the truth. You need to live by and I need to live by. People like you more than you think. So you better start acting like it. And if you think these first two lies are doozies, well, wait till you hear lie number

three. But first, let's hear a quick word from our sponsors who allow me to bring this to you at zero cost. And while we take a quick break, why don't you take the first step toward creating the friendships that you deserve and the social life that you want? Share this episode with a friend that you've been wanting to reach out to

or that you've been thinking about while you've been listening to this. Sometimes that's all it takes, you'll see. So share the episode and don't go anywhere because your friend Mel Robbins will be waiting for you after a short break, stay with me. Welcome back, I'm Mel Robbins and you and I just covered the first two lies

that you're telling yourself that make adult friendship so dang hard. Stop it, okay? Let's move on to lie number three. BFF. Remember that from middle school? We're BFFs, BFFL, BFFs are life. Let's get the matching necklaces of the heart that is like kind of broken in half and you'll wear one and I'll wear the other. Here's the reason why best friends forever is a lie. Best friends aren't always forever. Friends come and go in your life, even your best friends. Friendships fade.

They fizzle out. And I've even experienced that over time, sometimes that best friend that fated or fizzled out because life just does that, it's a natural part of life, sometimes you find your way back into each other's lives again. Now, the reason why I believe this best friends forever is a lie is because it puts pressure on you.

It puts pressure on you to label a friendship, and it puts pressure on you to hang on to things just because you've spent a lot of time with somebody. And when you hold on to friendships that no longer feel like a great connection or feel energizing or support who you're becoming, you know what happens when you are friends out of obligation? You start to feel resentment. And the other reason why it is so important to stop telling yourself, you got to be best friends, you got gotta be best friends forever, best friends forever. Is because that pressure that you're putting on yourself

to hold on to things that don't feel right anymore. That's the reason why you don't have room for new people to come into your life. And look, if you've been best friends forever and it's working for you, that is freaking awesome. I'm talking about the lie we tell ourselves that if you don't have a best friend forever, somehow you're damaged.

If you don't have that lifelong childhood friend, somehow you're an idiot. That if you don't have best friends and you walk around in a squad and you've got Halloween costumes where you're all matching, you've screwed up your life, And you've got Halloween costumes where you're all matching, you've screwed up your life. It puts pressure on you that is completely manufactured, and it's totally unnecessary. So what's the truth?

The truth is, you may not always be friends with somebody forever. And that's good. That's good because you want friendships in your life that support your growth. You want friendships in your life that have a mutual exchange of energy. And you need to take the pressure off yourself. And you've got to expand the way that you think about friendship. Because when you look at BFF, not as best friends forever, but best friends are flexible. It creates room for growth.

It creates room for the kinds of friendships that come in and out of your life based on what you need and what you can give. Doesn't that sound nice? I think it sounds really nice. So here's kind of a new way to think about friendship. It's flexible because friendship is mutual. It's kind of a new way to think about friendship. It's flexible because friendship is mutual. It's supportive. It's a connection that is based on energy.

It's based on what your passion is right now. It's based on what your goals are right now. It's based on the effort that you're putting in. And it's not necessarily based on history. You've experienced this. There could be somebody that'll walk into your life next week, and it's literally like you knew them forever. They were the exact person with the exact energy

and vibe that you need right now. And that doesn't mean that you're no longer friends with the people that you've been friends with for a long time. It just means that if best friends are flexible, it means that they come in and out of your life in terms of intensity. And so if you're flexible about friendship, you take the pressure off and you know that just because you don't see people all the time doesn't mean you're no longer friends.

It's going to take a little bit of effort. Being flexible about friendship is super important because here's the truth about friendship. Friendships fade because when your priorities change, so will your friendships. Like and I can give you a bazillion different examples of this. Let's say that you're the first of all your friends to get married. You'll start to notice that you start the first of all your friends to get married. You'll start to notice that you start hanging out with other couples more.

Why? Because the pattern of your life changed. If you're flexible with friendship, you don't put pressure on yourself. You don't like start to go, oh, are we still friends? Are we not friends? You just know that it's gonna require

a little bit more energy because the patterns of your life has changed. If you start to see the world differently, maybe because you're now a vegetarian, or you've stopped drinking, or you've gotten very active with social justice, or you are really committed to your health, the patterns of your life just changed.

And your friendships will also change. And that's why you need to be flexible in your friendships, because again, what is the purpose of your friends? It's literally for this mutual, supportive exchange of energy that helps you become a better you. Another reason why is that as you start to grow, everything about you changes

and things are gonna start to feel forced or draining because they were connected to the old you. So when you realize that a relationship is getting forced, right, or that it's draining you or it's taking way too much energy, be flexible. And by the way, you've been that person for somebody else. As somebody else has been trying to grow or as their have changed, or as the patterns in their life, they got a different job, they moved to a different state. Doesn't mean you're no longer friends.

It just means it's not as close of a friend anymore because the connection's a little off, the energy. That's okay. You're allowed to grow. You're allowed to move on. And instead of making yourself wrong, instead of feeling guilty, instead of gripping it or forcing it, be flexible.

Just direct your energy in a new relationship. Move toward the people that feel like the light, that feel energizing, that feel like they're aligned with where you're headed instead of holding so tightly to the folks that were with you in places where you've been. It's all good, it's all good. And by the way, when you do that,

you create space for something new. It's a beautiful thing. Lie number four is really simple. You do not need to be everybody's friend. You can't be everybody's friend. You can't be everybody's friend. The truth is, not everybody is meant to be your friend. And the second that it feels like a force, be flexible. Okay?

Here's one of the things that I love to think about is that you can be the whole package, but if you're delivered to the wrong address, not gonna work. Another quote that I've seen that I just love is you could be the most amazing, juicy, end of summer, ripe peach. But if you don't like peaches,

you're not gonna be a fit for that person. Doesn't matter how good you are. Remember, flexibility. I want you to understand this, because when you tell yourself, oh, I gotta be liked by everybody, everybody's gotta like me, I gotta be everybody's friend, that lie turns you into people pleaser.

That lie is why you are in your head going, do they like me? How do I need to change? I know I'm a peach and they don't like peaches, but maybe if I disguise myself as a plum, they'll actually like me. Stop doing that. Embrace the fact that you're a peach.

Embrace your whole package. And stop forcing yourself to be liked by everybody. There's nothing wrong with you. The more you embrace who you are, the more you're honest about what works for you, the more you show up as your full self. Imagine that. Imagine assuming that people just like you, that juicy peach that you are as you are. Imagine if you're flexible.

Imagine who might show up. Somebody who likes peaches. Wouldn't that be a wonderful change? That's why you got to catch that because this is about energy. This is about you and where you are in your life and where you're going matching with beautiful human beings that are on that same leg of the journey with you. That's what this is about.

So be flexible and man, you are a juicy peach. Embrace that stuff. I love peaches by the way. That's why I love you. Lie number five. Get ready, you're gonna hate this one. Because I hate this one. I'm too busy. I'm too busy.

I'm too tired. I don't wanna go out. I'd rather just stay home. I have social anxiety. I'm an introvert. Yes, I've said all these things to myself too. Here's the truth. Friends are critical to a happy life.

Friends are the thing that make life meaningful. You deserve amazing friendships and you deserve to be an amazing friend. You know, I have felt really freaking lonely. And I'm okay being alone. Like I've got no problem walking into a restaurant alone, rolling up to the bar, sitting at the bar, and having dinner by myself. In fact, I kind of like doing that.

I have no problem going to see a movie alone. There's a big difference between enjoying time by yourself and being lonely because you don't have friendship in your life and you don't feel a sense of connection or community. And for a really long time, that was me. you don't have friendship in your life, and you don't feel a sense of connection or community. And for a really long time, that was me. And the lie I was telling myself is I was too busy.

I became addicted to busyness as a way to cover up the fact that I was really lonely. My friends were working, our kids are all launched, everybody's scattered in a bazillion directions. I felt like I wasn't seeing my friends and guess what? My friends felt the same way. Nobody's life was a big party. Everybody is just in their cars, driving here and there,

sitting at home, trying to navigate this crazy thing called life. As our kids have gotten older, at least in my case, I find that they need me more, not less. And so I am just like in my little tunnel. And it turns out so are you. Everybody feels this way. It's not just you. And here's the lie. You're not too busy for one of the most important things in your life. You're not too tired to make the effort for something that brings meaning. You're not too shy or introverted or whatever to make the effort.

It is so easy to opt out of the book club tonight. It is so easy to not go to that new hockey league or the intramural soccer thing or the lecture at the library because we've gotten used to being alone in our homes. This is so dangerous to your happiness. Do not let the fact that you've gotten used to being home be the reason why you don't 5-4-3-2-1 push your rear end out the door and make the effort because the effort's small. So let me lay some science on you because this always pushes me over the edge when I don't feel

like doing something, you know what I'm saying? So there's this dude at the University of Chicago named Nicholas Epley. He's a behavioral scientist and one day he's riding on the subway and he notices everyone's looking at their phone and he started to think, how much more fun would this subway ride be if everybody just looked up and started talking to each other casually. And so he got really curious about why we all think talking to a stranger is gonna be a bad thing. And what he found is this, we all presume that pushing yourself to go to some social setting

or talking to somebody you don't know or introducing yourself to a stranger that's gonna be awkward, boring, tiring, well, check this out. Based on his research, years of research, folks, we are systematically mistaken about how much we enjoy being social. In fact, if we push ourselves to do it, we're kind of surprised. We're delighted.

We enjoy it. It was a great conversation with that person that was sitting next to you on the train or the plane or the bus stop. We have a ridiculously negative antisocial filter. That's not my words. That is the behavioral scientist from the University of Chicago. You have a ridiculously negative antisocial filter.

You know what that means? Your opinion about how bad it's gonna be is wrong. And so is mine. That's why you gotta ignore it. And you gotta five, four, three, two, one, push yourself to go knowing, knowing that once you get there, you're actually gonna enjoy it. You have to make the effort.

All right, I gotta take a short break. But when we come back, I got three incredible tools that I'm using, that I want you to use, because you and me, I know we're friends, but I want you and I to start making more adult friends and support each other in doing it together. Oh my gosh, I'm so glad you're still here with me on our walk. We're two juicy peaches talking about friendship. So tool number one, I promise three tools. Tool number one is a framework.

There are three types of friendships and this helps you be really flexible in your friendships. It also helps you to remind yourself of the truth, okay? There are friends for a reason, They're friends for a reason, they're friends for a season, and they're friends for a lifetime. That's it. And if you think about people coming and going in and out of your friendship zone,

because they're either there for a reason, or they're there for a season, or they're there for a lifetime, you now no longer are gripping. You can be flexible. You can assume people like you. You can stop holding on to the wrong people and trying to force somebody who's just there for a reason

to try to be a lifetime friend. These people are in your life for a reason. These would be work friends. You see them all the time because you work together. They might be the parents of other kids that are on your kids' sports team, or they might be people that are on your team, right, that you're playing sports with.

They're there for a reason. They might be your neighbors. They're there for a reason. These are great friends to have. They're there for a certain period of time. They're there to teach you something. They're there to support you on a leg of the journey called life.

These are awesome friends, but don't grip onto them. Be flexible with them. Let them come in and out of your life. Love them up. Enjoy them while they're there with you. And then at some point, when you no longer have that reason to have those friends in your life, they sort of fade a little bit. They're still your friends.

I guarantee you, 10 years later, if you were good friends with your neighbor, they would certainly help you out. So would your friends at work. This is why flexible friendship is such an awesome concept. Now let's talk about a season. So these are folks that are there typically a little bit longer. They're there for a chapter, a season.

So they might be the people that you met in college. And you were really, really close friends during college. Maybe you roomed together after college, but then people start peeling off. They start heading in different directions. They maybe move away to different cities, or they get married. I find that I had a lot of really good friends

that I was friends with when I was a young mom. That was a really amazing season in my life. I will cherish that season of my life. I had so many close female friends because we were all doing life in the same season at the same time. And when that season ended and my kids went to middle school and then they scattered even further in high school

and then all of a sudden the bomb drops on everything when they go off to college, like that season of my life was over. In fact, it had been over for a long time. And when the season changes, be flexible because a new season is beginning, which means a new seasons of friends are gonna emerge and they're friends for a lifetime. Those are those 4 a.m. friends we talked about. And remember you're doing pretty

dynamite if you can think of that one person that you could just pick up the phone at 4 o'clock in the morning and call and you know that they would pick up and just chat with you just because you wanted to talk to a friend. So tool number one, use that framework to enforce this flexibility. Reason, season, and lifetime. Don't force people into the wrong category. You know, this is a big one. Please stop being mad at people for not being who you want them to be right now.

Sometimes some of the most generous and beautiful and loving things that you can do for people is to graciously let them go and let them grow and let them be who they need to be in this season of their lives. Now let's move on to tool number two, which you are probably going to hate, and that is you need to take action.

That's going to require you to step out of the comfort zone of your couch and the comfiness of a Friday night alone, binge watching TV, and push yourself to get out of your comfort zone and make the effort to make friends. And this effort part's really important. There was this enormous study done at the University of Kansas. It puts friendship into a timeline and hours perspective. Making friends, check this out, they studied how long, how many hours it takes to make

a quote friend. And this is fascinating, that as a student, it's very different than what it's like to make friends as an adult. This is why it can feel hard, because most of our lives, we were in seasons where we were forced to be in groups. Like think about how you're in a group in elementary school, and that's how you meet your friends, and then you're in a group in middle school, and that's how you meet your friends, and then you're in a group in high school, and that's how you meet your friends, and then you're in a group in elementary school and that's how you meet your friends. And then you're in a group in middle school

and that's how you meet your friends. And then you're in a group in high school and that's how you meet your friends. And then you're in a group in college and that's how you meet your friends. And then all of a sudden your 20s hits and boom, everybody scatters and you're like, where the hell did my friends go?

This is normal. And this University of Kansas study explains this. So if you're in college and you're like swimming in the sea with all these people doing the same thing at the same time, it takes you about 43 hours to become an acquaintance with somebody. Now you're sitting in class together, that's part of the time.

You're eating in the cafeteria together, that's part of the time. You're hanging out in the dorm room together, that's part of the time. When you're an adult, to become a casual friend, it takes you 94 hours. Why? Because your patterns are very different

when you're an adult. You don't have as much overlap. It's why you tend to become friends as an adult with people you work with because you spend more time with them. It's why you're friends with people that you live near because you spend time with them. This is not just common sense, it's researched.

And in order to go from just a casual friend to a really good friend, if you're a student, it takes about 57 hours, which makes sense because you're spending more time together. So you're sharing more experiences together. For adults, we need about 164 hours. That's so sad. This is why it's so important

for you to have this perspective and for you to understand it's going to require effort on your part and that's okay. Knowing that everybody feels this way, knowing that everybody's at their homes alone under the fuzzy blanket on the couch feeling like a peach that nobody likes, swimming in the toilet of comparison, feeling like friendship is so hard. Knowing that, I hope is helping you go, oh, well maybe I could be the one. Maybe I could get all the peaches together and we could make a pie or some jam or some cobbler.

That's what I did this weekend. I'm gonna tell you a quick story because I think it's really important. So here I am, I always say, please come visit me. I live alone on a mountain in Vermont. I'm lonely. But the truth is I've met a bunch of really cool people up here and every one of us say the same thing. It's amazing living here and I really want to meet some friends.

I really want to get together with people. I want to stop saying, let's get together and not make plans. And so I'll tell you a quick story because all it takes is leaning toward your curiosity. That's all it takes. I walk this loop all the time that's right by my house. It's a beautiful loop. It's about four and a half miles. And I love flowers. I know there's five love languages.

I have a sixth. Flowers, flowers, flowers. I'm like a psycho about flowers. They remind me of my parents. I love growing them. I love bringing them into the house. I psycho about flowers. They remind me of my parents. I love growing them. I love bringing them into the house. I just love flowers. And so this year, I've been walking this loop for 26 years

when I would visit my in-laws before we bought their house and now it's our own. And all of a sudden this year, there was this insane flower farm that popped up. And by flower farm, I mean this patch of flowers, like an acre, big. And in the spring, it was this row of gorgeous double peony tulips and French tulips and parrot tulips. And then as those came and went, then ranuncula came up and it was

this like triple petal ranunculas and peonies. And I'm like, oh, it's like flower porn for me. And then now there's these field of dahlias, like dahlias are mind blowing, just gorgeous flowers. And there was never anybody there, ever. There was no sign, no nothing. And I became obsessed, you guys, with stopping by this flower patch, just drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

Oh my God, I just loved it. I would like sound of music with the, I'm in the flower patch and I'm taking flowers and I feel like an influencer that's 20 years old and I need a cowboy hat with a feather in it so that I can do the festival photos that everybody does. And I just flower porn all day long. And all of a sudden I see a truck parked there one day

and the truck thankfully had a contractor's label on it. And lo and behold, that same label was on a truck here at our house because we're under construction. So I walked over to kind of, and I'm like, hey, do you know this flower feeling? He goes, yeah, I parked my car there. Everyone's like, do you know who the person is? He's like, yeah, that's Annette from Fleur Farm. I'm like, what?

And I think she's on Instagram. Like, what? So I DM her. Oh my God, I've seen the flower. And I think she's on Instagram. I'm like, what? So I DM her. Oh my God, I've seen the flower. And then she DMs back. Oh my gosh, really? It's a labor of love. It's a hobby.

A hobby? Yeah, I work full-time. And I've been really worried about like how I'm gonna get all the Dahlia bulbs out. And I'm like, well, I'll help you. You'll help me? And so next thing you know, just by following the energy, following the connection,

leaning into this season of my life, leaning into the curiosity, I come to find out that she has been planting flowers in this new season of her life. She sells bulbs online. She is going through some stuff personally. And I'm like, well, I know some other women. I'll get these other women that I know

to come and hang out with us. And I will, I'll see if we can't like make something happen. And so we get 13 women to show up at the flower field on Saturday. I didn't know any of these women. And I knew some of them. I knew the ones that I invited. And then the friends that I invited invite other friends. And it was this army of new women here in Southern Vermont

that showed up to help another woman dig dahlias out of a field on a Saturday. And she and I have been texting ever since. So I met all these new people. We connected over something we're interested in. We now have a group chat called the Dynamite Dahlia Dames. And so Annette and I are texting. Wait till you hear this. When we both showed up, she said to everybody, I'm so overwhelmed because I'm so alone and introverted. I never think anybody would help.

I have trouble asking for help. And so as we're texting, she writes, I'm so grateful for everyone's kindness and presence and the joy there was in the field this morning. It's been a hard and a lonely path thus far. Building a vision shovel by shovel, digging my way to a new life. Do I relate to that?

I really relate to that. And then suddenly, out come all these fabulous women. Yes, I'm very, very happy because that morning was my highlight of my week two. So the challenge now is leaning in again and setting a date again and moving the ball down the field. Because as we know from that University of Kansas study, that it takes time and it takes effort

and we all need each other to be making the effort. And so the final tool that I'm going to give you is something that is so simple and so impactful and I have so many friends that now do this that I'm stealing this from. And it's very simple. Every single day make it a habit to text a friend. Just out of the blue. And if you want to amplify this, take a selfie video. Hey, I'm just on my walk, and I was thinking of you, and hey, my dog says hello.

And you not only underestimate how much people like you, you underestimate how much it means to somebody when they hear from you. This isn't just me. This is research that was covered in the New York Times recently about how receiving an unexpected text from a friend makes you immediately feel connected to that person

and it makes the friendship stronger. Make it a practice every single day as you start your day to reach out to one friend with a random message. In fact, I want to share one with you. So I love my friend, Glo Antónimo, and she's an incredible author and podcaster and just puts out incredible content and motivational speaker, and I learned so much from her. And she is so great about this. I want you to listen to this random message that popped in my phone literally a month ago.

There was a beautiful face just sending me a video message, and I'm gonna play it for you, because I want you to listen to it as if she's sending this to you. Let's hear from Glo. Mel, hello. It has been almost a month since our last video message. to listen to it as if she's sending this to you. Let's hear from Glo. Mel, hello. It has been almost a month since our last video message.

I was reading one of my daily devotional type books and I thought of this and I'm like, who can I send this to? And you came to my heart. So I'm gonna read it out loud. You are human, you will make mistakes. Hopefully you'll make a whole lot of them because that means you are trying

and trying means you are fully alive. It also makes life a hell of a lot more interesting. So here's to making more mistakes. Here's to living and here's to appreciating the ebbs and flow of life. It's hard for us to maintain equilibrium. We try to go through life chasing and seeking comfort and just staying happy and staying positive. But sometimes in those moments and those seasons and those valleys of depression or sadness, you know, we're meant to get something from that. And then when you come out of it,

it's like we have so much more appreciation. So no need to respond. Just want us to bless you with this message. Thinking of you, sending you love. High five. I just love Glow. Doesn't it make you feel good listening to her voice? And she shared an incredible message

that I want you to take to heart. Let's make life a hell of a lot more interesting. Let's make it richer and better. Let's stop believing the lies and get to the truth. Friends make your life richer and happier, and you make your friend's life happier too. And here's what I wanna tell you as your friend. I wanna tell you that I love you.

I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to stop telling yourself these lies and to really embrace the truth. And the truth is you deserve amazing friendships. You need amazing friendships. And you are that amazing friend that somebody who is going through a very lonely season, digging their way to a new life,

they need you desperately right now. So five, four, three, two, one. As soon as you and I are done here, I want you to text a friend of yours. Heck, level it up. Send a video like Glow sent a video to me. And let's level it up again. Let's swing for the fence on this one.

Send your friend a link to this episode. Because the more that we get everyone reaching out and the more that we can create this ripple effect, the more we are helping people get the things that they deserve and find the courage to take the actions that create the life that they want and make it a reality. And so, thank you. Thank you for being a friend of mine. I just love you. And I love our friendship. All right. That's what I got. I love you. I'll see you in a few days. And I love our friendship. All right, that's what I got. I love you.

I'll see you in a few days. I definitely need some water. I've got something in my throat. I don't wanna, whoa, here comes frog voice. This is BFF, best friends have a frog voice. Oh, gotcha. Okay, I've got that line. Welcome back, it's your friend Mel and hold on a second.

No, I mean, I'm sorry. I always, I literally give the exact opposite cue. Sorry guys. Oh, we did. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. No, it's okay. It's okay. Okay, great, great, great. Okay, great, great, great. Okay, great, great. Got disgust it. Okay. No, it's okay. It's okay. Okay, great, great, great.

Okay, great, great, great. Okay, great, great. Got it. Okay. Okay, wow, guys. Oh, and one more thing. And no, this is not a blooper. This is the legal language.

You know what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. I'm just your friend. I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Got it? Good. I'll see you in the next episode. Stitcher.

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