The Mel Robbins Podcast - The Science of Gratitude & 6 Surprising Ways You’re Getting It Wrong
Episode Date: June 12, 2023Today we are digging into the research on gratitude. Gratitude is a critical life skill, yet most of us are practicing it wrong. That’s right. According to the research, there are 4 essential elem...ents of genuine gratitude. Without all 4, you can’t unlock the powerful physiological, neurological, and psychological benefits of genuine gratitude. For example, if you’re just thinking about what you’re grateful for or writing a list before you go to bed, you’re probably not getting the full impact of its power. Once you know the 4 steps, you can use genuine gratitude to actively rewire your brain! Next, we’ll discuss the “Toxic Gratitude Theory” and the 6 ways you probably use gratitude in a backhanded or manipulative way – and don’t even know it! I’m guilty of all 6 types of toxic gratitude (ouch) and now that I see it, I can stop doing it. So today, let’s learn how to unlock gratitude and all its profound power. You’ll also learn… The 4 neurotransmitters involved in a science-backed gratitude practiceThe important difference between being just “thankful” versus genuinely “grateful” and why it mattersHow using one specific word is critical to building up your resilienceWhat to say to someone who’s going through a really tough time And because I’m so genuinely grateful for you, I have started rolling out a fun bonus with each episode, Mel Robbins Podcast Bloopers, so listen all the way through for a good laugh! Xo Mel In this episode, you’ll learn: 6:00: Ever met someone who just makes you feel so loved and grounded?12:20: What happens in your body when you feel more gratitude?16:00: What’s the difference between being thankful vs. gratitude?21:40: Here are the four important elements of genuine gratitude.25:00: Are you using gratitude in a toxic way? Hear these six types of toxic gratitude.26:00: Let’s unpack the #1 way we engage in toxic gratitude.28:10: The #2 type of toxic gratitude is actually resentment in disguise.29:45: This #3 type will keep you stuck in what’s not working for you.33:00: We use the 4th type of toxic gratitude to escape uncomfortable emotions.36:00: Being mentally well means giving yourself the space to feel all emotions.37:30: Let’s unpack how you use the 5th type when you don’t know what to say.39:00: And please don’t use this type to downplay your accomplishments.41:00: This is one of my favorite acceptance speeches ever.43:00: I looked up the meaning of Judah’s name and couldn’t believe what I found.46:00: So how do you stay grounded in a chaotic environment? Listen to these tips. Disclaimer
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Hey, it's your friend Mel and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast.
I am so grateful that you tuned in today.
This morning was freaking crazy.
I came down to New York City and spent the night because I am really excited that the
Mel Robbins podcast was selected by Good Morning America as their podcast of the month.
So we come down from Southern Vermont, we spend the night in a hotel.
I am sound asleep and at 3.48 in the morning, the fricking fire alarm goes off in the hotel.
And it's so loud, it's like, woo, woo, woo, woo.
And my first thought was, is it already 6.30?
Because that's the time that I'd set my alarm for.
And then I realized, oh my gosh, it's the fire alarm.
And in my elementary school education,
we went through fire drills so often.
I don't know why we did, but there were constant fire drills.
And how many times did you have to stop drop and roll?
Like, I literally thought stop, drop and rolling
was going to be a skill that I would use all the time
in my adult life.
So immediately elementary school mail takes over.
And it's as if the principal was coming over
the loudspeaker.
And the hotel management is like, attention,
ladies and gentlemen, the fire alarm
is going off. We are investigating the New York City
fire department is on its way. Please stay in your room and
await further instructions. Who on earth is going to stay in
their damn room when that is happening at 3.48 a.m. in a high
rise hotel in New York City. Well, I'll tell you Mel Robbins certainly is not. So I scramble
around my hotel room and these days I sleep naked because I'm constantly having hot flashes
and so I'm soaking wet because I've soaked through the bed sheets. Thankfully, I had laid
out my exercise tights. I pull them on, I pull on a t-shirt without a bra.
I put on my sneakers, I put on my favorite necklace,
and I run out of my door.
Now, I do not get in the elevator
because I have had training as an elementary school student
that if you're ever in a fire
in a building with an elevator,
you do not get into the elevator.
So I go down eight flights of stairs.
And when I push open the door to the lobby, I startle the gentleman that is working at
the front desk.
He's like, and I was surprised there wasn't already a party down there.
As I was going down the stairs, I was thinking, I'm going to be late.
There's going to be a ton of people down there.
We're all going to be in robes and PJs and I got to get down there.
And I'm not smelling smoke, but I get down there.
I am the only person in the lobby, the only one. Out of an entire New York City hotel,
there is one person in the entire hotel
who has decided to leave their room
and it is smell rabbits.
The fire truck show up, and as the fire truck show up,
it was really cute.
A family of six, they had their kids and strollers,
and I could tell they had gotten up in a hurry because shirts were inside out and they're
shoes. You know when you put your shoes on really quickly, they become almost like mules
instead of sneakers. All six of them had on shoes like that. And then as the firemen
start walking in, a second couple come down, tourists from Australia. And it was at that moment that we heard the manager go,
attention, attention, this is the hotel manager.
Everything is okay.
Thank you for your patient.
Good night.
That was it.
So I get in the elevator, and I look in the mirror
and the elevator and you wanna know what?
It's now like 406.
I'm wearing
my exercise tights not only inside out but backwards. So the label is right on my stomach,
facing out. And my t-shirt is inside out and backwards. Okay. Thankfully nobody was in the lobby
to notice. So I go back to bed. Now what happens next? Well, my alarm goes off at 630, but I am such a
days that I don't even know if I heard it. I don't know if I heard it and turned it off.
I didn't even remember waking up. And then I wake up again, and it is 655. And I realize,
oh my God, I have registered for a pure bar class. And it starts in five minutes. And Amy, who is my colleague, is probably waiting
for me in the lobby. And so I immediately pull on my clothes. It is now 6.57. I see Amy
is texted me. Are you coming? I then text her. I'm running. Hold a spot. Grab me socks.
And I go out the door. Now, I am panicking
and here's why. Have you ever been to a bar class? A bar class is a very unique animal.
Because typically, if you are late to a bar class, you are treated as though you have been cut from a New York City Ballet tryout. How dare you show up? Very strict,
very precise. The studios have a very strict and precise staff. And so I'm sprinting down to New
York City blocks and I am not in any kind of running shape whatsoever. So I'm sweating, I'm huffing and puffing,
I'm imagining a scenario where I roll into class
five minutes late, the person at the front desk,
Holt, who goes there?
No one goes in class.
Not you, don't be late.
And so I'm going anyway, I'm gonna try
because I really wanna exercise
because it's gonna help me do better.
I'm good morning, America this morning
and it's a big morning.
And so I am huffing and puffing. I get to the building. I run up the
second flight of stairs. I am fully out of shape and about to have cardiac arrest at this point.
And I go blowing through the front door. And there is a human rainbow, sunshine, goodness, sitting at the front desk.
And I will add that if JVN, you know, from Queer Eye, if he had a dopelganger, he is sitting
at the front desk.
And he has the biggest smile.
And he says, your friend, Amy is all waiting for you. And I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
He just had this radiating goodness.
It was as if he put his arms energetically around me.
Like a beautiful blanket, warm and kind.
And we walked toward the studio and he was just so loving. He's like,
honey, here's your little, you know, here's your thing. And I'm like, oh, no, I'm just
going to throw my shoes here. Oh, let's put the tennis right here. Oh, and Amy's already
got you set up. Do you have a hair band? Do you have a hair band? I forgot a hair band.
Oh, honey, right here. And he was so calm. And he was so grounding and so loving. I was in the hands of somebody divine.
And he put his arm around me and walked me into the exercise studio.
And there was Amy and they had set me up and Amy had even bought me a pair of those
sticky socks and they were rainbow socks. Happy Pride everybody.
I just felt so appreciative and so much love
for not only Amy, but Judah who had walked me in
with his arm around my shoulder, I mean, wow.
It was the exact opposite of what I had been bracing for.
So after class, I was still buzzing with this appreciation
for how he took care of me by the energy exchange, by the
care and the generosity and his spirit that I had to thank him.
And so I walk up to the desk and I asked him his name and he said it was Judah and I say,
I am just so grateful for you.
You are warm and you're caring and you're so generous with me.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
You are like a human ray of sunshine.
And when I said you are the human version
of a ray of sunshine, he just smiled wide and he said,
oh, well that's the name of my band, sunshine and the fox.
I can't make this stuff up. And we had this incredible
back and forth. I wanted to tell you that because what I experienced and what I expressed
to Judah this morning is an example of what researchers call genuine gratitude. And genuine
gratitude is what I had planned on talking to you about today all
along. And here this story appears like a gift from the universe on the exact day that
we're going to talk about the topic of genuine gratitude. I just love this. And specifically
what I want to dig into is the difference between genuine gratitude and toxic gratitude.
And here's the reason why you need to care about this topic
because number one, genuine gratitude,
it's something that you need in your toolkit.
But here's what I've learned based on the research.
Most of you are practicing gratitude wrong.
And if you're practicing gratitude wrong,
you're not getting the full effect of its power.
And you're going to learn that there are four specific parts to practicing genuine gratitude
based on the research today.
And then the second thing we're going to dig into is toxic gratitude.
I was very surprised to learn in researching this show that there are six forms of toxic
gratitude.
And another thing that I was surprised to learn is that I have engaged in all six of them.
I mean, I shouldn't be laughing about it because they're kind of gross.
I didn't even realize it.
And that's why I wanted to share these six forms of toxic gratitude with you because I bet
you're going to have some epiphanies about your own behavior or the behavior of other people.
And please, please, please stick around to the end because you know that story I just told you about Barclass and Judah. Well, it's not over. I get choked up when I think about the way the
conversation ended, what Judah shared with me and he has something that he wants to say to you too.
But let's go back to unpacking genuine gratitude because I personally found the research around gratitude
and what it is and what it isn't to be a helpful place to start before you and I jump into the six types of toxic gratitude
that I certainly am guilty of engaging in, and I bet you're going
to recognize some of them too.
When you start to look into the research around gratitude, all roads lead to a guy named
Robert Eamans, and he's a psychologist and a professor at the University of California
Davis that researches gratitude, like that's what this guy is known for.
And his definition of gratitude is that gratitude is a deep appreciation for
what you have received. It will literally rewire your brain when you do it correctly. First
of all, you're teaching yourself to scan the world for the positive instead of constantly
scanning for the negative. So for example, let's go back to my story this morning.
When I was racing late to the bar studio,
I was scanning the world for the negative, wasn't I?
And what was happening?
I was sweating, I was stressed, I was panting,
and hyperventilating, I was bracing for the worst.
I was probably jacking up my cortisol, which created
a negative experience in my body.
Genuine gratitude is when you're noticing and appreciating
what's happening around you,
and that triggers a positive chain of events.
There are four different types of neurotransmitters
that get stimulated.
It also triggers the flow of neuroeperephrine. I cannot say this word,
neuroepaphen? Neuroeperephrine? You know what I'm talking about. It's the energy hormone,
and I cannot say it. Thank you, dyslexia. And what happens when all of these feel good hormones
and the neurotransmitters like dopamine, oxytocin, and neuroreparaphrone,
whatever the heck it's called, you still love me.
You feel calmer.
You feel brighter.
You feel more focused, which in turn makes you feel healthier.
It makes you feel happier.
It helps with decision making.
It helps you with focus.
And so there's such a profound chain reaction that happens in your mind. And that's
exactly what I experienced this morning. And the second that I started to feel this wave
of appreciation toward Judah and how he was taking care of me, I was expressing and feeling
genuine gratitude. This is what the research describes. It did shift how I felt in my body. I did feel calmer. I did start to
focus and feel more focused on the positive about the class. I felt a deep level of connection
to this person that I had just met seconds ago. Now, one of the reasons why I wanted to
talk about toxic gratitude in particular is because gratitude to me feels like it's reached the jump the
shark moment. And for those of you that may be too young to understand the happy days
reference, it just means that something has gone way overboard. It's no longer in. It's
out. And you know how I know when you walk into TJ Maxx or HomeGoods and there are a bunch
of pillows that have gratitude on them on the clearance rack.
We have all gone way too overboard on the gratitude train and it also means that we are not doing it
correctly because gratitude is a deep, deep, deep experience and it's deeply personal and I will
admit to you, I have in fact bought a pillow off of the clearance rack at home goods.
Mine did not say gratitude. They said thankful.
So when we come back after hearing a short word from our sponsors,
I'm going to explain the key difference between being thankful
and being genuinely grateful.
Based on Professor Edmund's research at UC Davis,
and you're going to want to know this
because it will help you really understand
the six types of toxic gratitude
that you need to knock off, you need to know about.
And then, we've got three amazing takeaways
for how you can cultivate a genuine gratitude practice
based on the research.
And one more thing, because I am so genuinely grateful that you're here.
I have a surprise for you today. I'm so excited. I've been wanting to do this for a while.
Listen all the way to the end, because the Mel Robbins podcast now has bloopers.
And why did I want to do this? Because I think it's fun to laugh at yourself.
We're doing so much hard work here to try to improve our lives. Let's have a little fun and laugh at one another, or me,
at the end of every podcast.
I can't wait to hear what you think of them.
We'll be right back.
Welcome back.
I'm Mel Robbins.
Today, you and I are talking about the research that
explains what genuine gratitude is and
the six forms of toxic gratitude that you need to stop doing in your life. All right, so I promise that I would
unpack the difference between being thankful
versus
genuine
gratitude, okay? You ready? So being thankful
gratitude, okay? You ready? So being thankful, think about this as something transactional, this is sort of on the surface. Because if you're thankful, it's automatic, it's in the moment,
and it's sort of like good manners, right? If somebody, for example, holds the elevator door for
you, you're not grateful. You're thankful. You say thanks.
And the second the door is closed, you forget that you said thanks and they forget that
you said thanks because they expected you to say thanks because they held the door open.
That is what it means to be thankful.
It's transactional, it's automatic, it's momentary.
Gratitude, something else entirely. Genuine gratitude is when you are deeply moved. When the
emotion of appreciation, the emotion of being connected, either to another human being or
some larger force that you can't explain, the emotion lingers. And the other thing that's important about gratitude
is that it's not expected in the moment from anyone else. And oftentimes, moments of genuine
gratitude, they take you by pure surprise. And the impact is lasting. It's like a positive energy buzz. And so let's go back to
the example this morning with Judah. I was deeply moved by how kind he was. I was so moved that even
when I was in class and my quads were quivering and I was huffing and puffing. I was still thinking and feeling this
emotion of appreciation for how I was welcomed late into the studio and how I was taken care of.
And when I stopped by the desk and I called Judah a human ray of sunshine, he wasn't expecting that.
a human ray of sunshine. He wasn't expecting that. He smiled wide. He might have been expecting a thank you. But no, I expressed this deep, deep emotion. And I think you can
tell because this happened just a couple hours ago. I'm still buzzing from the appreciation
and the dopamine rush and the oxytocin and the
epipharic or whatever you call that, it is lingering. That's how I know it is
genuine gratitude. And there is this connection that happens. When you have a
situation where you express genuine gratitude, you feel deeply connected to the
energy of the other person. And you're
going to feel that when you hear the message that Judah has for you and the three takeaways
that he has for you about gratitude. Let me give you one more example of being thankful
versus being grateful. Let's say that you're in an area where there is a huge snowstorm and you have
an elderly neighbor. And you go over in the morning after shoveling your own steps
and your own drive,
and you shovel the steps of your neighbor.
When you're done shoveling the steps,
can we just be honest with one another?
You kind of expect a thank you, right?
You'd be sort of like me, what a rude person.
If they didn't open up the door and say thank you,
or didn't wander over later and say thank you
That's what I mean by the nature of a thank you. It's transactional. It's expected. That's not how gratitude works
Gratitude is the woman opening the door and
coming down and hugging you and
door and coming down and hugging you and putting her hands on your shoulders and looking you in the eye and telling you, the last time somebody shoveled my walk was when my
son was alive.
Thank you so much.
I am so grateful that you took care of me this morning.
You can feel the fact that she's deeply moved. You can feel the lingering
emotion. You didn't expect that. But you now have this lasting buzz feel good thing,
too, don't you? That is genuine gratitude. When you cultivate those moments, it changes how you move through your day-to-day
life. That's why this is such a profound practice. And one of the mistakes that people make when
they quote, have a gratitude practice is they're really writing down things that they're thankful for.
I'm thankful for my health. I'm thankful for my kids. I'm thankful for my job. I'm thankful for this.
I'm thankful for that.
That's not practicing genuine gratitude.
Genuine gratitude has four requirements
based on the research.
And you need these four requirements present
in order to tap into the profound internal impact,
to get the chemical release, to get the flood that's lasting,
that changes your mood and helps
you feel more confident and connected to people around you.
And those four requirements are, number one, it has to be really specific, the thing that
is triggering this flood of gratitude.
And so when you write down that you're thankful for your health, you're thankful for your
kids, you kind of do that on autopilot, don't you?
You got to get really specific.
The second thing that's got to be present is there needs to be something deeply personal
about it.
And the way that you can figure that out is tapping into the third piece, which is why
is it moving you?
What is it about this specific and deeply personal thing that moves you?
And the fourth thing, and this is when you know it's genuine gratitude, it's not just
a passing thing, the feeling lingers with you.
And so when you're writing down generic things like, I'm thankful for the food right now.
That's not specific enough, it's not personal enough. It's certainly not
tapping into why that moves you, and it's not going to leave a lingering emotion, because
the second you start eating the food that you're thankful for, you're going to forget the
gratitude that you wanted to feel. Genuine gratitude is deeper, it's filled with emotion,
it lingers. I'll give you an example, and it's kind of weird, but just bear with me.
I am so grateful for my daughter who always calls me out
on the ugly clothing that I wear,
even though I hate hearing it in the moment.
Because he wants me to feel and look my best.
I say that because my daughter picked out my outfit for Good Morning America.
And I kind of second-guester, but she was right.
So I'm sitting here very grateful because I got a lot of compliments on my bell-bottom
jeans and my red t-shirt that I wore at a Good Morning America today.
And I have a lingering buzz about it.
Now let's talk toxic gratitude. Yes, there is such a thing,
is toxic gratitude. It's when you use gratitude in a very negative way. And I'm going to walk through
the six examples of this after we hear a short word from our sponsors. They allow me to bring
all of this to you at zero cost. And so I'm very thankful for our sponsors.
And I am grateful that today is the inaugural podcast episode
with bloopers all the way at the end.
All right, stick around.
We'll be right back.
I'm Mel Robbins and today we're talking about genuine gratitude and the six types of toxic
gratitude that we all engage in, including yours truly.
And here's how we're going to do this.
First I'm going to tell you what all six are and then I'm going to go one by one and explain
them and I'm also going to share with you the takeaway that you need
so that you can stop doing this, okay? And it's all based in the research. You're going to love this.
So the six forms of toxic gratitude is when you use gratitude to only focus on the thing that's
going well in your life, but you completely ignore the big messes. The second way that you use
gratitude in a toxic way is when you use gratitude to manipulate
or shame other people.
The third way is when gratitude becomes a justification to do nothing and to stay stuck
where you are.
The fourth way that gratitude gets toxic is when gratitude is a way to escape uncomfortable
emotions that you don't want to feel in yourself.
The fifth way the gratitude becomes toxic
is when you start pushing positivity on other people
because you don't know what to say.
So you say something positive.
And the final toxic form of gratitude
is when you use gratitude as a way to knock yourself down
when you're accomplishing something.
And so let's unpack them all
and then give you the takeaway.
Okay, here we go.
Number one, toxic gratitude is when you only focus
on the things that are going good in your life.
And you are so over focused on what is a blessing
and what you're grateful for,
that you ignore the gigantic shitshow of a mess
that is right behind you.
And the perfect example of this is that friend of yours
who is constantly posting only the most beautiful,
lovely, ducky, kissy feet on the beach photos
of them and their significant other.
Grateful, blessed love of my life.
And yet every time you see this person,
they spend three hours bitching about
what's actually going on.
That right there is a form of toxic
gratitude because you are grandstanding. That right there is a form of toxic gratitude,
because you are grandstanding the good part of your life
and you are lying about what's going on.
When gratitude is genuine, it gives space for the negative.
Genuine, deep-felt gratitude acknowledges the painful, the broken, the messy part in
partnership with the beauty, with the lessons, and with the hard work.
And when you only have one of those things present, it's not genuine gratitude. And so, instead of posting the absolute beautiful,
most incredible, phenomenal things, don't post anything if you can't post the truth.
I'm not suggesting you air everything out, like dirty laundry on the internet, but you
could certainly post photos, love this person person because through the ups and downs, we
always tend to work through it, and that's the sign of somebody that I want to be with.
That's way better than the polished filtered photos anyway.
That's the message we all need, and it's the truth.
And aren't we all grateful when we see the truth expressed from other people?
The second form of toxic gratitude, and this is one
that I am so guilty of, it does not make me proud to admit this to you, but it's when
you use gratitude like a sledgehammer, and you shame and you manipulate other people.
This type of toxic gratitude was the way people parented for generations, and it's the
way that I used to parent, and it's something that I'm really working on, which is you basically invalidate people. You cook dinner and you put dinner out for your family
and your family. I don't want to eat that. And what do you say? You should be grateful that you
have anything on your plate at all, right? Or the kids lose their soccer match in the semi-finals.
or the kids lose their soccer match in the semi finals.
And they get in the back of the car and they're crying and they're sad and you can't deal with it.
And so you're like, well, you should be grateful
you made it this far.
I mean, that's a really good thing.
Or like I did the other night.
You know, Oakley, we hosted the Palm Party.
You'd think you'd be grateful enough for crying out loud to help me unload the dishwasher. Oops. Do not
use gratitude to shame somebody, to blame somebody, to guilt somebody. Period. You
know it's wrong. I know it's wrong. I still do it. Why? Because that's how everybody parented for a long time. In a transactional way, in a, I expect this from you, I gave
you this, you give me that, that's not genuine gratitude. What I was expressing was resentment.
That's not gratitude. So don't use the word gratitude in those cases. Third form of toxic gratitude is when gratitude becomes a justification
to keep you stuck in a place that makes you unhappy. And I'll give you two specific examples.
A lot of you write into the Mel Robbins podcast complaining about your jobs and then you put
in the sentence. You ready? I'm just grateful to have a paycheck. End of story.
And the reason why this is toxic is because if you hate your job and then you end the sentence with but I'm grateful to have a paycheck, are you motivated to change your job? No. Or how about this
example? You're in a relationship or you can think about a friend who's in a relationship and they are with somebody that's dragging them down with somebody that they are complaining about.
But what do they say to you or what do you say to yourself? Well, I'm grateful that I have somebody or well, at least they're better than so and so's you know significant other.
I'm just grateful I'm not dating a loser like she is.
I'm just grateful I'm not dating a loser like she is.
Hold on a second. So you're using gratitude to justify that you're lowering your standards.
Here's how you change this. If you find that you're saying, well, I'm just grateful that I have this. I'm just grateful that I have that, but you don't like what you have. You're shaming yourself into staying. So I want you to add
in the truth. Here's how this works. I am grateful that I have a paycheck. And I deserve
to work somewhere where I feel appreciated. And so I'm going to start looking for a different job.
To see how different that feels.
And one way we might supersize this is let's just not use
the word gratitude or grateful at all.
Let's use thankful because it's more transactional, right?
I'm thankful that I met this person
and that I was in a relationship with this person and I
Deserved to be with somebody who brings out the best of me and so I'm gonna end this
Do you see how different that feels?
Two things can be true at the same time you can be thankful for the paycheck, but you can
thankful for the paycheck, but you can acknowledge that you deserve more. You can be thankful that somebody was in your life and you can acknowledge that they're
no longer your person, and it doesn't mean they're a bad person, but you deserve somebody
else.
And somebody else might be the single you.
And so you're acknowledging that two things are true at once.
And a lot of times with toxic gratitude,
you're only looking at one thing.
And that brings me to the next one.
A lot of us use gratitude as a way to escape
uncomfortable emotions that we don't want to talk about,
or we don't want to feel.
I'll give you a quick example.
Have you ever noticed that when somebody dies of cancer,
or they die after a long struggle. That the phrase that
people say when they die like that is, I'm just grateful they're no longer
suffering. Now here's why this can be problematic. What you're actually feeling
are two things, right? Yes, it's true. You're grateful or thankful
that they're no longer suffering.
And I'm devastated that my father's gone.
Do you see how that goes clunk?
Why does this matter?
I'll tell you why it matters
because it is critical for your mental health that
you acknowledge and validate the uncomfortable emotions that you're feeling. It is critical
for your resilience that you speak about and that you name the heartbreak, the pain,
the grief that you feel.
When we all walk around like, okay, I'm fine,
I'm just grateful they're no longer hurting.
I'm grateful that we're not fighting anymore
and that they ask for the divorce.
No, you're not.
He just asked for this divorce last night.
You've had 14 hours to process this.
You're already telling me,
no, you're not grateful.
Snuck that shit off. Allow yourself to feel what you need to feel. Don't quickly jump to gratitude
right now. You got to talk about all the things that you're feeling. Gratitude may be one sliver
of the 76 emotions that you're feeling. This just happened to me a couple weeks ago.
Somebody called me just in a complete breakdown and said that her husband had asked for a divorce.
And in the telling of the story, every time she got herself worked up emotionally, she
would quickly grab gratitude.
But I'm grateful.
And I said, no, you're not.
You're not ready to be.
You're in the tsunami of emotions.
And when somebody grabs gratitude too quickly, I go, oh, you are drowning in the emotions.
And this is a way to keep your head above water.
And that's okay, but acknowledge that you're doing it.
And please also acknowledge the scary things that you're feeling, which this person did,
but you got to be careful.
I don't think you're ready for gratitude 24 hours after a divorce, a breakup, a death,
an accident, any of it.
You have to give yourself time to process it.
And interestingly, the research shows that the more that you face your negative emotions,
the more that you talk about your uncomfortable feelings, the faster they pass.
And so by using gratitude as you're just climbing this mountain that's right in front of you,
you are missing out on the benefit of talking about the struggle
and talking about your fears
and talking about the wave of uncomfortable feelings
that are rising up.
And it's gonna make the climb harder,
the longer you do that.
And so make sure you put your arm around all those
awful feelings that you have, and you talk to people
about them because that's how you're going to process them.
And that is a appropriate and mentally healthy response
to the things that are scary in life.
You know, let me stop on that real quick.
When you're going through something hard, you are mentally well when you express the uncomfortable
emotions.
If you're going through something like heartbreak or you've just lost your job. Yes, it sounds better to
go, I hated that job anyway. Thank God. But we know that you feel ashamed. We know that
it's embarrassing to get laid off. I've been laid off a bunch of times. I've been fired
once. It's embarrassing, even if you wanted it to happen. There's still a humiliating aspect and a humbling aspect to that.
Process it.
Otherwise you're just kind of engaging in toxic gratitude to post your into try to move
through it without facing it.
And that's not going to help you.
The fifth way that gratitude turns toxic is when you push positivity
because you have no idea what to say to somebody.
So for example, if somebody tells you
that they have cancer and you immediately go,
you're gonna beat it because you don't know
what else to say or somebody says to you
that they just had to declare bankruptcy. Stay positive.
You're going to be okay.
What the research shows is that when you push positivity,
they feel like their emotions aren't valid.
They feel like you don't get it.
How could you know if I'm going to beat this cancer?
You're not me. Yeah, maybe a ton of other people have, but I don't know it. How could you know if I'm going to beat this cancer? You're not me.
Yeah, maybe a ton of other people have, but I don't know what's going to happen.
So the better thing to do is instead of forcing positivity, it's okay to say that fucking
sucks.
That's what I always say to people that I've cancer.
That sucks.
You don't deserve this.
And then I say the only thing that I know that's true, you're not
going to go through this alone, because I don't know what's going to happen. And I don't have
anything positive to say except for you didn't deserve this, and you're not going to go through it
alone. And I stole that from Adam Grant and Cheryl Sandberg who wrote Plan B option B, I can't
remember the name of the book, but we'll link to it. And please do not use gratitude to take away your accomplishments
and the fact that you worked for them, you deserve them. Do you know how many times I hear
people say when they get to a big meeting or they get to an event that they deserve to be at by the way
I'm so grateful that you brought me
Wait a minute you deserve to be here
This is not a moment for gratitude you can thank me for
Inviting you to this thing
But you deserve to be here. That's why you were included and in fact you deserve to be there probably when you weren't included
You know this is gonna sound really weird, but I'm not
grateful for my success. Why? Because I work my fucking ass off for it. I've
slept on couches. I've clawed my way out of bankruptcy. I work weekends and
nights. And I've put in the work for over a decade. I'm not going to be grateful
for this because it diminishes the responsibility that I took in creating this.
Now, I'm profoundly, genuinely grateful that you're here with me.
I am profoundly, genuinely grateful for the messages that you send, for the walks that you take
with me, for the time that you give me.
It just is moving.
It's what gets me out of bed.
It's what drives my work ethic.
But when I think about the things that I've accomplished, I want you to own that.
And I want to give you a little inspiration
because I keep waiting for somebody to walk
into one of these awards ceremonies,
like the Oscars and the Grammys and be like,
it's about damn time that you gave me an award.
I deserve this, you know, I deserve this.
My favorite acceptance talk of all times was by Snoop Dogg.
Hollywood, Walk of Fame star, 2018.
This is what he said.
I want to thank me.
I want to thank me for believing in me.
I want to thank me for doing all this hard work.
I want to thank me for having no days off.
I want to thank me for never quitting. There's no toxic gratitude in that. He's taking full
responsibility for what he worked for and for the results that he created. Now, I'm not saying that
you didn't do it without help, but we've tipped the scales too much in being so grateful
much in being so grateful for everybody else. And I want you to turn it back on yourself and use genuine gratitude to lift yourself up. Use genuine gratitude. As Dr. Eman says, look backwards and
acknowledge in the past all the challenges and the mountains that were there in front of you that you scaled.
And then feel the appreciation for yourself. And for anybody else or any of the synchronicity
moments that happened that allowed you to scale those challenges and learn those lessons
and be who you are today. That is genuine gratitude. Stand in the present moment,
like I did this morning,
and notice as it's happening,
how other people or the forces at large
are there to support you.
It's like this force field of good vibrates around you
and magnifies this beautiful thing called life.
And remember how I told you there was more to the story?
Well, let's go back to that story.
Because after that amazing moving experience of being so taken care of and feeling just
this rush of genuine gratitude, I get to the studio over at Sirius XM and I decided on
a whim.
You know, I'm just gonna look up
the meaning of the name Judah.
Well, Judah, when you look it up,
what you will see is the word praise, praise, praise,
praise.
And then when you dig a little bit deeper,
what Judah means is thank you,
a thank you that is so deep that it is synonymous
with gratitude.
I have chills.
I have chills that that's what happened this morning on the exact day we were planning
on having this episode happen.
Isn't that incredible?
I had an experience of genuine gratitude with a man whose name means thanks so deep,
it's synonymous with gratitude.
Not only can you not make this stuff up, I actually believe these things happen for a reason,
and it's why you need to be awake and aware in your life. And I'm so grateful
every time one of these synchronicities happen, and that I can share them with you, but you
got to be willing to notice it happening in the present moment. That's the power of
synchronicity. And that's also what gratitude helps you tap into. It's like that little
moment when the light turns green. It's just the right time.
And the wave of appreciation that you feel, that you didn't miss the graduation ceremony,
because there was something you couldn't explain about how traffic lifted and you're just
feeling appreciation for it.
And when you start to practice it in the present, you can use genuine gratitude to acknowledge
it's going to be really hard to break up with this person you love.
That is boy.
Ooh, haven't we all avoided that one like the playing?
Guilty of charge right here.
Leverage genuine gratitude for yourself knowing that even though this is going to be painful,
that you appreciate that you're willing to have the courage to be honest with yourself
and them, and that you appreciate knowing that down the road you will look back on this
very, very challenging moment,
and you will understand why it needed to happen.
And that brings me to the final piece of the story
from this morning.
I was buzzing so much, not only after my interaction with Judah,
but after I looked up the spelling of his name
and the meaning behind it, I was like,
what?
That I'm like, there's something going on,
and I got to reach out.
I just have to reach out. I just have
to reach out and connect with him. And that's when he shared with us that one of the reasons
why he was so grounded is because when Amy walked in, he was writing down what he was
grateful for, but it went way beyond that. So I asked Judah, what are the top three things
that you do in order to cultivate calm, grounding, grateful, positive energy that you do in order to cultivate, calm, grounding, grateful, positive energy
that you displayed this morning.
And I know you're going to love what he's here to share with you.
Good morning.
This is Judah Frank.
And I had the pleasure of meeting Amy and Mel this morning for a brief but lovely and chaotic
interaction.
So, the question that you asked me is how I stay grounded in a chaotic environment and
aside from actually physically grounding like on a beach or on a hike with bare feet, sending
the energy through the heels of your feet to the earth, back up through your body and
then neutralizing any negative energy that you might be carrying with you.
Aside from that, I just do my best,
which is one of the four agreements,
which I love so much.
I do my best to live my life intentionally.
And I recently heard that if you have a strong enough why,
then you can withstand anyhow.
So for me, my why that gets me through every day
with a sunshiney disposition is my music,
the sharing of my music and my message with my band Sunshine and the Fox. And our collective why in our group is to be a
super force of love. So that was all I was doing today. Just doing my job, just being a super force
of love. So I hope you guys enjoy your rainbow socks and thanks so much for reaching out and
connecting with me. I hope you guys are having a terrific day.
Oh my God, don't you just feel a swell
of lingering positive energy?
Due to thank you and the name of that band,
Sunshine and the Fox.
Well, there's one more thing.
It turns out that they have a song
that kind of goes with this episode.
And the song is entitled, I Am And I Can.
Check this out.
I am high, I am love, that's the nowhere so above, I am, and I can. Oh my God, I love it.
I am strength.
You don't want to hear me sing, but I am gratitude.
I'm genuine gratitude.
It is just deep appreciation while acknowledging the reality of what's going on. And toxic gratitude is either escaping the reality
or manipulating other people
or only focusing on the good thing
without acknowledging reality.
And the reality is, I deeply appreciate
that you chose to listen to this episode with me today. I am deeply
genuinely grateful for you. And that's my why. My why is you. And that's why I'm here twice
a week every week to remind you that I love you and I believe in you and I believe in your ability to tap into the power of genuine gratitude and to use it to create a better life.
Alright, I'll talk to you in a few days.
The molecule of motivation. Neuroeper, I cannot say this one.
Neuroepapherin.
Neuroeperephrine.
Neuroepereph, epinephrine.
Neuroeperephrine.
Neuroeperephrine.
Oh my God.
Neuroeperephrine.
I just say it fast.
Neuroeperephrine.
Neuroeperephrine.
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Noreporeffren.
Okay, I can't say it.
Ha ha ha ha.
Oh, and one more thing.
And no, this is not a blooper.
This is the legal language.
You know what the lawyers write
and what I need to read to you.
This podcast is presented
solely for educational and entertainment purposes. I'm just your friend. I am not a licensed
therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician,
professional coach, psychotherapist or other qualified professional. Got it? Good. I'll see you in the next episode.
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