The Mel Robbins Podcast - Try It For 1 Week: 3 Small Habits That Change Your Body, Energy, And Life

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Today’s episode is the cheat sheet you’ve been waiting for.If you're confused by all the conflicting health advice – from keto to vegan, biohacking, to hormone tracking – this is your reset. ...Mel did the heavy lifting for you, analyzing 53 conversations with the world’s leading health experts to pinpoint exactly what matters most for your health, energy, and longevity. The result? 3 simple, science-backed habits that every single expert agrees are the most important for your health and happiness.You’ll hear directly from:-Dr. Eric Topol, one of the most renowned health researchers in the world, on how exercise can reverse your biological age. -Dr. Vonda Wright, top orthopedic surgeon and women’s health expert, with a simple, no-cost workout plan you can do at any age with no gym required. -Dr. Shefali, top clinical psychologist, on how your devices are stealing your time, energy, and peace of mind, and what to do about it -Dr. Laurie Santos, the top professor at Yale and a happiness expert, on the surprising secret to happiness — and better health. Forget complicated routines or expensive supplements. If you’ve ever thought, "Could someone please just tell me what works?", consider this your answer. For more resources, click here for the podcast episode page. If you liked the episode, you’ll love the full episodes with each of the doctors interviewed today:Dr. Eric Topol: Advice From the #1 Longevity Doctor: Add 10 Years to Your Life With 3 Simple HabitsDr. Vonda Wright: Look, Feel, & Stay Young Forever: #1 Orthopedic Surgeon’s Proven ProtocolDr. Shefali: You Learn This Too Late: This One Idea Might Change Your Entire LifeDr. Laurie Santos: The Science of Well-Being: Powerful Happiness Hacks That 5 Million People Are UsingConnect with Mel:  Get Mel’s #1 bestselling book, The Let Them TheoryWatch the episodes on YouTubeFollow Mel on Instagram The Mel Robbins Podcast InstagramMel's TikTok Sign up for Mel’s personal letter Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes ad-freeDisclaimer

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. Are you confused by all the health advice out there? I know I am. I mean, one day it's keto, then it's vegan, then plant-based. No, wait, carnivore is the answer. Lift heavy, go for a walk, Pilates, hike a mountain, train like a Navy SEAL. I mean, it's like you're supposed to biohack hormone panels, cold plunge, add salt, cut caffeine, track your sleep, eat more protein, or was it less? Oh my God. Anybody else out there feel like you got wellness whiplash?
Starting point is 00:00:33 No wonder you and I are so confused and overwhelmed and ready to just throw our hands in the air before we even start. So here's what I did. I went back through 53 conversations here on the Mel Robbins podcast with world-class experts who have appeared to talk about how to be healthier. Now I'm talking about conversations with the smartest minds in medicine, science, physiology, muscle structure, psychology, to figure out what actually matters when it comes to living a
Starting point is 00:01:05 healthier life. And I'm going to be honest with you, when I crunched the data on 53 episodes, I was surprised. There are three health habits that move the needle more than anything else. That's what all 53 health happiness and medical experts agree on. Three. Not 30, not 300, no. Three simple things backed by decades of research that will change how you feel, how you age,
Starting point is 00:01:33 how long you live, how you feel as you're doing it. Its impact is almost immediate. And today, your friend Mel is sharing these three habits with you. This episode is the health reset, no fluff, gimmicks, no shame, just a clear science-backed cheat sheet because this doesn't have to be complicated. In fact, it's gotten so complicated, we're not doing anything. Let's make it simple because you don't need to overhaul your life.
Starting point is 00:01:58 You just need to start with the right three habits. So if you've ever thought, could you just tell me what works? You're in the right place. Let's get into it. Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. I am so excited that you're here with me right now.
Starting point is 00:02:25 I am fired up for what we're going to talk about today because you know I love making things simple and we are going to simplify health and wellness today with some world around experts. And I also want to tell you, if you're a new listener, I just wanted to take a moment and welcome you personally to the Mel Robbins podcast family. I'm so glad you're here. And because you made the time to listen to this particular episode,
Starting point is 00:02:48 here's what I already know about you, even though we may not have met in person yet. I know you're the kind of person who truly values your time because you've made the time to listen to something that could help you be healthier. I want you to have the Cliff Notes because the health information out there, it is so complicated. You know, you think I really want to feel better, Notes because the health information out there, it is so complicated.
Starting point is 00:03:05 You know, you think, I really want to feel better, but where do I even start? The one thing that I hear again and again and again from you and from your fellow listeners of this podcast is, okay, all of this is incredible and I feel a lot smarter, but I only have 24 hours in a day and I only have 20 minutes to truly prioritize for myself.
Starting point is 00:03:27 What do I focus on, Mel? And that's why I did the hard work for you. I went back with my team and read through 53 podcast episode transcripts. Mm-hmm. Fifty-three. That means 53 conversations that I've had with world-leading doctors, pioneering scientists and researchers, I pored over their research, their tools, their advice. And after digging through all of this, something became very clear.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Living a healthier life isn't complicated. There are three simple habits that make the biggest difference. Three small science back steps that are going to improve your health, boost your energy and change how you feel. And I'm talking like immediately. And you're about to hear the most compelling moments from four of those experts who summarize the three habits that everybody agrees on. Just take a minute.
Starting point is 00:04:23 If you had to guess, what are those three habits? Like if you had to bottom line it, I was gonna put you right on the spot right now, you're on the Mel Robbins podcast, what are those three habits? Sleep? Nope. Drink more water?
Starting point is 00:04:36 Nope. Diet? Nope. You gotta buy some supplements or some fancy equipment? Nope. In fact, I'm gonna come right out and predict that two of the habits aren't even on your radar. And while two of them are gonna be a surprise,
Starting point is 00:04:54 one of them probably isn't. And that's the one we're gonna start with. It's exercise. Now, don't turn this off. I know you've heard everybody talk about it. You gotta move your body. But when you hear the first two experts that I'm going to bring on in just a few seconds, they're going to make a case for why exercise is
Starting point is 00:05:13 like numero uno. This is the most important thing you can do. When you hear how they talk about it, you're going to be like, I'm in. Then the second expert that I'm going to bring on to talk about this is going to tell you the simplest way to do this and it's not that hard and you don't have to buy anything and you're going to just love this because today on the Mel Robbins podcast, we're making health easy. We're bottom lining it for you, okay? So you're ready for this because we got three habits, we got four experts, the first habits exercise. This comes up again and again and again and again. And so even though I hate to have to exercise,
Starting point is 00:05:50 I know I gotta move my body and so do you. In fact, 18 medical experts that have appeared on this podcast has said, the number one thing you have to do for better health, for longevity, for happiness, it's exercise. That's the number one habit. And let me be clear about something. I'm not talking about losing weight.
Starting point is 00:06:10 This isn't about pushing some kind of workout or chasing the perfect body. We're going to talk about how exercise is the single best habit that will help you be healthy, that will help you feel great as you age, that will help you have a longer life. It's going to help you effectively beat disease. Exercise is how you create the energy so you can show up for yourself in your life. Exercise helps you become more focused at work. Exercise is going to help you be more connected with yourself and others. Every expert, I'm talking every single one, even the psychologists say the same thing. Exercise, it's not optional. You're designed to move. And I think you know this, but sometimes you have to hear it and you have to hear it from somebody who is so well respected
Starting point is 00:07:02 and just has a way of talking about it. And you also need to be told, you don't have to spend 60 minutes doing this. I can't wait till you hear the prescription of what to actually do to get the benefits of exercise immediately. Because the fact is, the most reliable, most effective thing that you can do to boost your mood, protect your heart, sharpen your brain, and add quality years to your life. Can I get an amen? This is the baseline. You want to feel better? You got to start here. Move your body. Why? Because every world-class medical expert and researcher that I talk to says the same thing, including the single most respected scientist in the entire world. I'm talking about none other than Dr. Eric says the same thing, including the single most respected scientist in the entire world.
Starting point is 00:07:46 I'm talking about none other than Dr. Eric Topol. Check out the credentials on Dr. Topol. Dr. Topol is in the top 10 most cited medical experts alive today. His work has over 365,000 scientific citations. His work has over 365,000 scientific citations. Let that sink in. 365,000. Dr. Topol is a pioneering cardiologist, a longevity expert.
Starting point is 00:08:17 He's the founder of Scripps Research and a leader in genomics, AI, and precision medicine. His latest New York Times bestseller is called Super Agers. That book and his research in the book, research he's about to share with you, has been endorsed by five Nobel Prize winners. Your friend Mel Robbins, I'm not kidding around, I pulled in the heavies today, even though we're gonna make this simple.
Starting point is 00:08:39 And based on 30 plus years of research, Dr. Topol can boil down health to this. Exercise is the one thing that helps it all. And, you know, I'm about to bring Dr. Eric Topol on, and I really want to set up what you're about to hear. Because world-renowned Dr. Eric Topol has crunched all the data and research on this, and even he is startled by the findings. He's about to explain to you that exercise is the single habit that can reverse your biological age. Take a listen.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Turns out that exercise is the only thing we know that lowers our biological age. Okay? So, the gap between your real age and your biological age is widened. There's nothing that we can talk about that exceeds exercise for decreasing our aging process, our body-wide aging process. And again, we wouldn't have known about this if it hadn't been all the science of aging. So let's just say, Dr. Choball, that I'm sitting in your office and I've brought along my husband and he has not been taking good care of himself. And I have a feeling that you are often finding yourself
Starting point is 00:09:59 being both a marriage therapist and a medical doctor with your patients. And I also have a feeling that there are a large number of people around the world who are going to not only be excited about what you're sharing for themselves, but they're going to share this with somebody that they care about. And so what would you prescribe as one of the most respected and cited researchers and medical doctors in the world in the science of aging? What is your prescription for the minimum? and cited researchers and medical doctors in the world in the science of aging. What
Starting point is 00:10:25 is your prescription for the minimum, the minimum amount that we should be doing every week? What would you say? As long as you are getting at least 30 minutes of constant motion, getting your heart rate up, taking your body out on the highway, if you will, at least 30 minutes five times a week, ideally every day if you can do that. At least 30 minutes, five times a week. Ideally, every day, if you can do that. But if you're getting five days a week, typically when I talk to my patients, I'll say, all right, when are we going to do this?
Starting point is 00:10:53 What time of day works for you? You know, you're not a morning person. You're not going to also, how are we going to do this? Are you going to go to the gym? Do you have some equipment at home? Or, you know, can you go outside and walk or whatever? To fit that in, and not just the aerobic side, but then things like bands to increase resistance, they're very inexpensive and they can be so much of a plus for promoting muscle strength.
Starting point is 00:11:20 And things like standing on one leg for a minute, alternating, of course, on each foot. And you'll notice quickly as you do this for weeks that, wow, I am more fit than I've been in a long time. I have better posture. I have, you know, better balance. My golf swing is better. Everything. Everything.
Starting point is 00:11:40 And so we just can't do enough of this. And of course, the byproduct of this is we get that lesser biologic age, which is going to be helpful across the board for the major age-related diseases, cancer, cardiovascular, and neurodegenerative, like dementia and Alzheimer's. Those three diseases take more than 20 years to take hold. So if we plan enough in advance, we can prevent those diseases from ever occurring, and particularly those people who are at high risk. So it's an exciting opportunity that we're only realizing now that we have ways to prevent
Starting point is 00:12:13 age-related diseases. I mean, let's be honest. When he really in his most respected scientist sort of way just lays it all out there. It's kind of unbelievable, right? Because it's right under your nose. I've already said this, but Dr. Topol is legit one of the most respected medical researchers alive on the planet. And he's telling you and I that we got to exercise because it just stimulates all of this natural amazingness that is in your body that helps you live longer, feel better, fight disease, have more energy. And it's not just him.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Some of the most trusted, popular, and acclaimed medical experts that we have had on the show that range from all kinds of disciplines like Dr. Stacy Sims from Stanford, who studies physiology and the science of exercise as it relates to women, Dr. Wendy Suzuki, who's at NYU, and she is a neuroscientist that teaches about and studies the brain, Dr. Rangan Chatterjee, who's UK's number one doc, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, who has a PhD and studies the physiology of muscle structure, which is the largest organ in your body. Dr. Mark Hyman, who's a renowned holistic
Starting point is 00:13:32 health expert. Ob-Jin, Dr. Jessica Shepard, and menopause expert Dr. Mary Claire Haver have also said the same thing too. Number one intervention, exercise. And here's what I really want to underscore for you. Doesn't have to be hard. He didn't say you got to run a marathon. He didn't say you have to sign up for a gym membership or buy fancy leggings or jump into some trendy program. He didn't say you have to get a weighted vest or do some weird like warm-up routine. You can just walk. Just get moving.
Starting point is 00:14:06 That's it. According to a recent Harvard health study, the average person spends 10.4 hours a day sitting. That doesn't even include the eight hours that hopefully you're laying on it because you're sleeping. And look, I get it. I'm not placing blame on you. This is one of those
Starting point is 00:14:25 conversations where I'm kind of talking to myself here and I'm talking to you while I'm talking to myself. But I sit when I work unless I'm on tour. I do have that problem too. I'm sitting too much. Well, here's what it tells me. If you have the chance to move, even if it's 15 minutes between meetings, even if it's getting up and taking a walk during your lunch break, move. Because it's not only going to give you more energy, it's going to make you feel better. It's going to improve your overall health. And according to what Dr. Topol shares, it reverses your biological age. Did you get that? I love that. Simply exercising reverses my biological age. What he's actually talking about is slowing down the aging process in your cells.
Starting point is 00:15:19 I'll have some of that because that's kind of cool. I love that I can do that by moving my body rather than putting some substance in it to try to do that. And I love how Dr. Topol said, did you catch it when he said, you'll never be disappointed when you choose to exercise? It's so true. I say this to myself all the time. I never regret moving my body.
Starting point is 00:15:41 You're never gonna regret moving your body. It's so true. Why do we hate exercising so much? If the second that we're done with the walk, we're like, I'm so glad we went on that walk. The second that you decide to put on that streaming class, you're so happy when it's over. The second that you dance at the wedding, you're like, why don't I dance more often? I feel better after. It's like you have this little spark of pride. Like, yeah, I did that. That spark, it adds up and it pushes you forward.
Starting point is 00:16:08 It reminds you of what you're supposed to feel like, right? That's why I feel so good because you're like, oh, yeah. If I wasn't sitting on my ass 10.4 hours a day, this is what life would feel like. Well, Dr. Topol is here to tell you. You want to feel happier, you want to feel healthier, you want to feel happier. You want to feel healthier. You want to live longer. You want to have more energy and more focus.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Exercise. I know exactly what you're thinking. I bought in Mel. I got to move my body, but let's just be honest with each other. I'm also confused about what I'm supposed to do when it comes to exercise. Pilates, yoga, resistance training? Am I doing HIIT classes? Am I skipping rope? Am I lifting weights? Am I stretching? Am I doing hot yoga, yin yoga? I don't know what to do. How long should I walk? It is so confusing. And this is what I love about our second medical expert that is going to weigh in on our number one habit, which is exercise. I absolutely love her because she is going to recommend a simple way for you to just start moving your body. These are the simple things to do.
Starting point is 00:17:11 You can do it without any equipment. You don't have to spend any money. It doesn't matter if you're in shape or you're out of shape. You need to do these three things. And she's gonna explain what they are. Who am I talking about? I'm talking about none other than Dr. Vanda Wright. Dr. Wright is a renowned,
Starting point is 00:17:29 double board certified orthopedic surgeon. She specializes in hip preservation, musculoskeletal aging and sports medicine. She's treated over a hundred thousand patients at the University of Pittsburgh. She was the medical director of the UPMC Sports Complex. She also ran some of their biggest research programs, including the Performance and Research Initiative
Starting point is 00:17:51 for Masters Athletes. Dr. Vonda Wright is internationally recognized for her research on movement and longevity. And her work, it is deeply impacted, how I think about my own body, and not just the importance of exercise, but the kind of exercise that matters. Because her research proves something
Starting point is 00:18:12 that most of us get wrong. She says, getting older doesn't mean getting weaker. It means getting smarter about how you move. See, there's a different possibility for how you can experience your life and your future and energy and what you can tap into if you not only exercise, but you think about exercise a different way.
Starting point is 00:18:39 And even if you've let yourself go for years, even if you're listening to me right now and you're like, oh my God, Mel, I sit on my butt for 20 hours a day, not even 10.4 would be really good. I'm in the worst shape of my life, woman. Where do I even start? We're gonna start with Dr. Vonda Wright.
Starting point is 00:18:55 This is how you get back into shape, and this is how you keep yourself in good shape. And she's going to show you a simple science-backed protocol that will help your body function better and work for you. And she's gonna give you a whole new way to see the intelligent, miraculous design of your body and how to leverage it for the rest of your life. You can get stronger.
Starting point is 00:19:18 If you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s, heck 70s, your muscles are designed to get stronger until the day you drop dead. Your body loves this. It knows how to do it. It responds to it. You can feel better at any age, no matter how young or old you are, no matter how fabulous or how flabulous you are right now.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Here's what I want to do. I want to hit the pause button so we can give our amazing sponsors a chance to share a few words. And I want the importance of this first habit to really sink in. And I also want you to share this with people that you care about. Because I think everybody's overwhelmed about what we're supposed to be doing
Starting point is 00:19:55 and all the conflicting advice. And these three habits are doable and they're life changers. And when we come back, Dr. Vonda Wright is going to make it real simple. There are three things that she prescribes to every single patient that comes and sees her privately in her clinical practice based on all the research. These are the same things that almost every other expert is recommending. And what I love about these three different things you can do is that you don't have to buy anything, it doesn't cost you any money.
Starting point is 00:20:24 You can be in the worst shape of your life and you can start doing these three things today without even leaving your home. So don't go anywhere. More from Dr. Vonda Wright on this first habit that's going to keep you healthy and live a long life when we return. Stay with me. Welcome back at your buddy Mel Robbins. Today we are simplifying health and wellness, boiling it down to the three habits that 53 different experts say after being on the Mel Robbins podcast. These are the ones that matter most. This is how you can jump start being healthier, feeling better, more focused, more energized, and living longer. And we've been
Starting point is 00:21:10 talking about the first habit, which is exercise. And so let's just jump back in. Dr. Vonda Wright is with us and she is about to tell you the simple way that you need to be moving your body and you can start today. Check this out. If we were designed to sit still night and day, we would not be designed with our strongest muscles below our belly buttons. We would be sessile like a mushroom with this giant stock and all the good stuff on top, right?
Starting point is 00:21:41 But what does sessile mean? So, you know, Jabba the Hutt had this, you remember from Star Wars, this guy in the bar? Yes. Had this giant blubberous appendage he kind of laid on. Mushrooms have this giant stalk which doesn't go anywhere. So if we were meant to be immobile, we would have been designed like one of those two beings, but we were not. We were designed with the strongest muscles below our belly buttons.
Starting point is 00:22:11 We have two legs. What is the first independent skill we ever learned? Walking. We need to be spending at least three hours a week walking, broken up into 45-minute sessions. So put on your favorite podcast, go learn all week, right? So that's four, go for a walk four times. At least four times a week, right? At a brisk pace, not so fast that you're out of breath, but not so slow that you can solve
Starting point is 00:22:37 world peace in your conversation. A minimum of twice a week, minimum of twice a week, we must learn to lift heavy. And listen. How heavy? Yeah, I know. I don't expect you to power lift right out the door, but what I do expect you to do is learn to lift your own body weight. Every woman should be able to do 11 push-ups, regular push-ups.
Starting point is 00:22:58 On the knees, okay? No. Oh my God. But listen, you can build up to that. I used to teach classes at Pittsburgh called START, and I did it for nine years. My starters started out with 51% body fat. They could not hold a plank and literally couldn't walk around the track. Over a three-month period, we met with them twice a week.
Starting point is 00:23:20 We did a variety of weight-bearing exercises. They not only completed a 3.2-mile walk run, they could hold a plank for two minutes. Wow. I know. So… Eleven push-ups. Eleven push-ups. I got it. Start on our knees, but we got to be able to get to 11 push-ups.
Starting point is 00:23:37 We have to be able to get up. Okay. Upper body strength is critical for women. Got it. So we've got walking four times a week at a brisk pace. We have 11 push-ups. You got to be able to lift your body weight. We have to start by learning to lift our body weight and progress until we can lift heavy.
Starting point is 00:23:51 And listen, I have plenty of examples of women starting in their 60s. There's no age limit on this. So heavy is an individual thing, and it just is something we work towards. So walking, lifting at least twice a week, and then I work on balance every day when I brush my teeth. We're designed to move, remember? So mobility helps keep us healthy. And what I think is very exciting
Starting point is 00:24:18 is putting the power back in our hands. And as you're listening to Dr. Wright, she's basically saying, your body is actually designed in this extraordinary glorious way to work for you, to make you feel better, to build muscle, to help you live a full and amazing life. And if you really just consider all the science that you're sharing and the common sense
Starting point is 00:24:43 that we'd be built like a mushroom if we were meant to sit and that your biggest muscles are from the belly button down and you've got legs to move them or if you're in a wheelchair and you can't move, like you've got arms to roll yourself. Absolutely. That when you work with the intelligent design, The intelligent design works with you. Oh my gosh, I couldn't have said it better. What is Dr. Vanda's approach? Smart, simple, doable.
Starting point is 00:25:11 And here's the thing that I love. 60,000 people have already tried this recommendation after she appeared on the podcast. And I know that because 60,000 people have made videos of themselves and posted it on social media doing one of Dr. Vanda's recommendations. What is the recommendation that people made 60,000 videos of themselves doing?
Starting point is 00:25:37 I'm talking about the 11 pushup challenge. Maybe you've seen this, maybe it's popped up in your feed. It went crazy viral on TikTok. And if your first reaction was anything like mine, you probably thought, wait a minute, 11 pushups? Like in the military, 11 pushups? But here's the thing. Thousands of women in particular, all ages,
Starting point is 00:26:03 all sizes, all backgrounds, proved they could do it because the 11 push-up challenge starts where you are. Go up to the wall and do 11 push-ups against the wall. Or if you're like me, drop it to the knees. Do the 11 push-ups on the knees. And eventually, as you do 11 push-ups against the wall, you can do that at 8.30 at night before you go to bed against the wall in your bedroom. You can do that holding onto a cane
Starting point is 00:26:31 with one hand against the wall. You can do that. And here's what I loved. When 60,000 of you make a video where you take on the 11 push-up challenge, here's what it proved. I loved seeing how many of you, all ages, all sizes, all different backgrounds, all over the world,
Starting point is 00:26:49 taking it on. Now, I tried it. First time I tried it, I got to four on the knees. My triceps, not that strong. They're getting stronger though, because now I'm up to 11 on the knees. Just to be clear, on the knees. I could do 11 against the
Starting point is 00:27:05 wall from the beginning, but on the floor with gravity and the leverage and everything else and terrible form, four. But I did four and I felt proud because I showed up. And I'm working toward that 11 off the knees. That's what matters. It's not about perfection. It's about progress. It's not about perfection. It's about progress. You were built for strength. And look, I get you maybe looking in the mirror like, it doesn't look like I'm built for strength. Yes, you are. Because strength isn't about looking a certain way. It's about functioning in a different way. I don't care if you're in your 20s or your 70s. Imagine how different you would feel. Just even take this on for a second. If every day you went for a brisk walk, if every day you balanced on a foot while you're doing the dishes and you got a little less wobbly, I can't even
Starting point is 00:27:59 say the word, you got a little less that, and every day you did 11 push-ups. I mean, just stop and think. You'd feel really good. Because here's the truth, based on what Dr. Topol and Dr. Vonda Wright are teaching you. Exercise isn't just good for you. Exercise isn't just for gym rats. Exercise isn't just for fitness influencers. It's not just for people who are feeling young or people who are skinny. No, exercise is the single most powerful intervention you've got. And I know you've heard it a million times,
Starting point is 00:28:37 but we're talking about it today because two of the world's most respected experts, Dr. Eric Topol and Dr. Vonda Wright are here to tell you, you already have within you everything that you need to have a healthy life. And exercise is the secret to unlocking it. And don't make it hard. Make it simple. Step one, walk.
Starting point is 00:28:57 Just take a walk. My husband and I take a 12-minute walk every day. We walk out the driveway and down to a certain point, and then we walk back up. So roll out of bed and go to walk. Walk on your lunch break. Walk when you're overwhelmed. Walk after dinner. Frustrated with your partner?
Starting point is 00:29:15 Take a walk. Hit a wall on that project and you don't know what to do next? Take a walk. Move your body. Step two from Dr. Vanderaat, 11 pushup challenge every day, 11 pushups. Can you imagine how different you would feel in three months, heck, three days,
Starting point is 00:29:32 if you try 11 pushups every day. You can't do 11 yet, that's okay. Do three, do one, walk up to the wall. There's no shame in that. Do a pushup on your knees like your friend Mel Robbins. Just start. And if you want a pro tip, set an alarm. Set an alarm.
Starting point is 00:29:49 I'm not one of those people that can roll out of bed and just drop to my knees and do the pushups. A lot of people knock them out that way. Not your friend Mel Robbins. Set an alarm. Set it for 11, 11. We're gonna use angel numbers. 11, 11 is the time to drop down to those knees,
Starting point is 00:30:04 step up to the wall, punch out 11, we're ready to go. Step three, train your balance. This is so easy, it's crazy. While you're brushing your teeth, lift a leg. You're exercising. I mean, you're brushing the scum off your teeth and you're working on your balance. How cool.
Starting point is 00:30:20 Then switch. You're washing dishes, lift a leg. There you go. That's how you do it. Cool, then switch. You're washing dishes, lift a leg. There you go. That's how you do it. And I want you to start using your body the way it was built to be used. All righty, enough with habit number one.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Any guess what habit number two is? Simple habit. The benefits are immediate. Gonna make you live longer, less stressed, be healthier? What do you think this habit is? Again, think 53 episodes, scientists, researchers, medical experts, psychiatrists, psychologists, happiness researchers. What's the health habit number two? You ready? Put the phone down. Mm-hmm. It's so obvious.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Less scrolling, less screen time. Just stop and think from a health perspective. What is it doing to your brain? What is it doing to your nervous system? We're talking about your health, both your mental health, your physical health, your relationships, your time, your life, your energy, all of it. Everybody, including you, is addicted to their phone. You, me, everyone. I am a
Starting point is 00:31:41 recovering addict, period. The phone is glued to your hand and you don't realize how much it is not only draining you of your time, but is draining you of your life force and making you unhealthy. And you might be thinking, oh, come on, Mel, that nightly scroll on TikTok and Instagram, that's not bad. It is, it is.
Starting point is 00:32:08 According to Dr. Adam Alter, a top researcher at NYU and a bestselling author, if you add up the amount of time that the average person, that's you and me, the average amount of time in your life that you spend scrolling, how much of your life do you think you're going to waste scrolling?
Starting point is 00:32:27 Nope, it's way worse than what you think. 20 years, 20 years of your life gone, gone into what? Meta? Into, where is it? Like just let that sink in. I don't think anybody gets to their deathbed and they're like, oh, God, I should have spent more time on my phone. I really blew it. I really blew it. Oh, my God, my life would have been so much better if I had just spent more time on my phone. Of course not. You know, and here's the thing, that's a real number.
Starting point is 00:33:05 In fact, the Pew Research Institute says 31% of Americans are online almost constantly, two and a half hours a day just scrolling through social media, and over a full month every year just flipping through content as if your time doesn't mean anything. And you wonder why you feel anxious, unfulfilled, disconnected. I used to feel that way too. You wonder why you feel lonely and you're surrounded by people.
Starting point is 00:33:34 It's because you're in a relationship with your phone and you're pouring 20 years of your life into a screen. How is that healthy? Literally, how is that healthy? That's why the next health habit, health habit number two, is not about cardio or macros or supplements or hydration. It's about presence. It's about waking the hell up and reclaiming your time
Starting point is 00:33:57 and your attention and your peace of mind. And yes, your relationships. Because if your phone is always in your hand, your attention is in the phone. And if you've got kids at home this summer, and the nagging's already started, right? You're the one doing the nagging. Get off the phone, turn the video game.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Do you really need to play that video at full volume? And have you ever noticed when you're doing that, you've got your phone in your hand. I've said those things too. The truth is, I've been pointing fingers when I should have been holding up a mirror. Because it's not just your kids tech habits that are the problem, or your friends tech habits,
Starting point is 00:34:33 or your partner who plays video games, or any of it. This is my problem too. And this is your problem too. And the best part about this as a health habit is that you don't have to add anything. This is something to remove. What do you get in return when you remove the phone from your hand? The health benefits are incredible and they're immediate.
Starting point is 00:34:59 You feel more connection, more joy, and yes, you have better health. In fact, there was a study that came out a week ago. This is a peer-reviewed study that has been widely reported now where researchers and scientists restricted people's access to a smartphone for 72 hours. And check this out. In just 72 hours, let's talk about the health benefits to your brain. They saw brain activity changing in the areas of the brain that are about impulse control and cravings.
Starting point is 00:35:34 And more importantly, 72 hours of restricting access to a smartphone resets your dopamine and serotonin systems. This is so important. And it's also about connection. Because the more that you're present, the more you're present with the people that you care about, the more connected you are in the moment, the more joy you feel. And yes, the healthier you are. You want to know why you're so stressed out all the time. It's all this time you're pouring into staring at other people living the lives that you think that you should be living
Starting point is 00:36:05 It's reading these headlines that are making you panic stricken It's constantly being online and lying to yourself and saying that you got to be online all the time You're gonna get fired. It just breeds more stress And so if you want to live longer if you want to enjoy your life more if you want to be healthier and happier Of course you do. Habit number two, restrict the amount of time you spend on the phone. One of the ways that I do this, this has changed my life. It has changed my life as much as exercise, is I don't have my phone on my person.
Starting point is 00:36:39 I know it sounds like a weird way to say it, but if I have my phone in my back pocket or it's on me, I will look at it. And people constantly tell me, I can never get ahold of you. Why didn't you respond to the email and text? I'm like, cause my phone's not on me. I am so much more present.
Starting point is 00:36:54 I'm so much more less stressed out. It's like absolutely amazing. I cannot highlight this enough. And in order to bring habit number two home, I wanted you to hear the reason why this is so important from one of the most powerful voices in psychology in parenting today, Dr. Shafali. And the reason why I'm bringing in parenting is because,
Starting point is 00:37:17 we often tell our kids what to do, but that's not actually how you parent. Your kids are watching. They're watching your example. So as you're shouting at everybody to get off their phones and to be present, and then you turn back to your phone and start scrolling again or working,
Starting point is 00:37:32 you're not modeling what you're saying. Now, Dr. Shafali is a clinical psychologist with a doctorate from Columbia University. She's one of the most cited and respected voices in the field of family dynamics, and she's also known as the pioneer of the conscious parenting movement. Now, her work blends Western psychology with Eastern philosophy in a way that's both simple but profound and very, very practical and relatable to life in the modern world.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Dr. Shafali is a New York Times bestselling author of seven books, uh-huh, seven. She hosts an incredible podcast called Parenting and You. And here's what she has to say about technology. She says it's affecting the way you show up for yourself and for the people that you love. Like just think about that. Technology isn't just robbing you of your time
Starting point is 00:38:23 because you know that, and that's not causing you to change your habits because technology is designed to make you addicted to it. But when you start to think about it as impacting your health negatively, I mean, of course it does because it makes you depressed and anxious and stressed out. It wastes your time, which makes you depressed and anxious and stressed out. It shoves all these examples and comparison in your face, which makes you stressed out, anxious and depressed. And when you're looking at your phone that much, guess what you're doing? You're sitting on your rear end, and so you're sedentary. But when you also add in the way that your addiction to technology is making you miss your life and it's making you not be present for the people that you love, you got to have boundaries with it.
Starting point is 00:39:14 And I want you to listen really closely because I'm going to begin with a question to Dr. Shafali because I think it's important to get the Google Earth point of view. How is social media from a health standpoint and relationship standpoint impacting kids and in particular their relationship with their parents and their friends? This is what Dr. Shafali had to say. And I know it's being talked about a lot, but I think it's never enough. Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:48 How disconnecting social media is. What used to be a photo on your fridge being commented upon by your nasty auntie is now out there for the world to comment on. And young children, teenagers especially, are not equipped to handle that degree of self-criticism, that degree of scrutiny, judgment, scorn, degradation, racism, ageism, sexism.
Starting point is 00:40:16 They're not yet equipped. So when we allow our children to be exposed to this vast milieu of strangers and their toxicity into your child's life, you're actually not protecting your children, right? Just like you wouldn't let them go and travel the world when they're eight, because who knows who they will meet and can they navigate the scary, risky territories of the unknown foreign country.
Starting point is 00:40:40 In the same way, giving your child access to strangers in such an indiscriminate way is like saying here go go go if you get raped if you get you know damaged if you get stolen from oh well you know that's what's happening to our children's psychology and that's why our children are showing acute signs of distress are we listening no we No, we're not. We're not. We're not. We've disconnected even more, right?
Starting point is 00:41:10 And this is because we as parents are not grounded in our own present moment. The present moment scares us so much that we're so relieved, right? If you look at any bus stop, any train station, where are we looking? Down on our phones. I'm guilty of this 100% and I have to catch myself and go, oh my goodness, where did the
Starting point is 00:41:31 last 10 minutes go? And life is telling us, life is always reminding us, hey, listen, I'm fragile. Don't waste me. I'm not here forever. Pay attention to me. I'm beautiful. I am your greatest dopamine hit. I am the greatest intoxicant of euphoria.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Pay attention to me, I'm for free. Life is always beckoning to us, but we're not paying attention. Then we have children and we don't pay attention. Then we have the relationship and we don't pay attention. And then we have the terminal illness. Maybe then we'll pay attention. Well, the invitation today is to wake the hell up
Starting point is 00:42:07 and start paying attention. Yes. So parents who are listening may be thinking, oh, my goodness, I've missed it. I didn't know this. And they're sitting with regret or feeling blame and guilt and shame. OK, I understand that.
Starting point is 00:42:20 The reason you have guilt and shame is because you're missing the power of this message, which I'm about to say. It's not about the past anymore. So it's about the present moment, right? The reason you have guilt and shame is because you're missing the power of this message, which I'm about to say. It's not about the past anymore. So it's about the present moment. Right? So now what do I do tomorrow or today with my child right here, right now?
Starting point is 00:42:34 Well, we don't tell our child, you know what? I heard Dr. Shivali and Mel talk about the phone. Let's throw away our phones. You don't do that. You don't come attacking with your sermons and your lectures and your wisdom. You begin to show up with a curiosity about who it is they are. You begin to show up with this desire to know who it is they are as humans. No human, I believe, will turn away from another human who's genuinely curious about them.
Starting point is 00:43:01 Show up as interested. Look at them as if they're the most amazing human being. Every single bud of a child will blossom into a flower under that gaze. There's no human being. It may take time, depending on the ravages of the wreckage of the past, but no human being will turn down from somebody who's looking at them as if they're the only person on earth. Now, if you begin to look at your child and give them that unconditional whole presence, without tarnishing them, without seeking to fix micromanage,
Starting point is 00:43:31 do their hair, change their clothes, give them advice, they will blossom under your gaze. They will come to you like a flower to the sun. It is human nature. This is what we are seeking at the most desperate level. This is the reason why we go to our phones. So if you go beneath to the need, why are our children going to the phones?
Starting point is 00:43:49 Why are we going to the phones? It's because it gives us safety. It gives us security. It allows us to check out for my anxiety. Okay, so now if I can provide that for my child and for my loved ones, they will come to me. They will prefer me over the phone. But you have to become that energy.
Starting point is 00:44:06 You have to become the energy greater than the phone. You have to be the dopamine hit bigger than the phone. You have to be the attractant larger than life. And I'm not saying wear a clown suit and do gymnastics and back wheels. You just have to show up with that unconditional curiosity and acceptance and validation and celebration of the other human being and they will come to you.
Starting point is 00:44:27 I love this. I love this because it's within your power to shift yourself and to radiate something different. And I can see that I often in the past have led with, I'm gonna criticize, I am gonna try to control what you're doing. If I shift that to how can I be connected to you and how can I be curious about you. So lead with the curiosity and the connection.
Starting point is 00:44:56 Let that radiate. I tell every parent when you are sitting with your child or another loved human being, check your energy. How are you showing up? You take care of how you are showing up, the shine in your eyes, the tilt of your chin toward them, the unremitting gaze upon them. And if you keep aligning to that presence, sooner or later, the person in your presence will feel that energy and they will gravitate, they will be magnetized to you. That's why we go to spiritual teachers, because they've
Starting point is 00:45:33 done that work. We feel free in their presence. So that's the calling that I want parents to rise to. Isn't that such a beautiful invitation? I wanna read some of this to you because we just went from health to holy moly profound. I just love what she said because your phone is robbing you of this power that you've forgotten. She says, because we don't believe we have that inner power,
Starting point is 00:46:07 we don't capitalize on it. See, here's why I think the phone is so damaging. It's not that you don't think you have that inner power. You have given that power to the phone. The phone has stolen your energy and your presence, and you don't even realize how valuable it is, how powerful you are. And Dr. Shafali said it best, I'm going to say it again because I want you to hear this.
Starting point is 00:46:36 You have to become the energy greater than the phone. Just stop and think about that. Why are we giving that much power to some dumb device? This is habit number two, because when you create boundaries with your phone, you tap into this greater energy inside yourself. You become present to life itself instead of just throwing all this time away. And if you're anything like me,
Starting point is 00:47:13 you're probably sitting there thinking, God, she's so right. Why'd she have to hit me so deep with this? My God, I thought we were just gonna get a lecture about not sleeping next to this thing. And she's talking about spiritual beings and transformation and holding energy and being a beacon. You've been around people like this, haven't you? Where you walk in the room and they're just so present that you're drawn toward them. You're wired like that. No, I'm serious. You are wired like that too. You are a beacon. And you
Starting point is 00:47:48 don't remember that when you're on your phone. And you've had that experience, haven't you? Where you've been sitting next to somebody that you love, you're in the same room, maybe you're sitting on the couch, and you're both on your phone. Two beacons that have the ability to generate magic and energy and connection, just completely checked out and disconnected. And then you wonder, why am I so lonely? Why do I feel so disconnected? Look at your hand. You gave all the energy, you and this incredible beacon that you are poured it right into the phone just to make Matt a wealthier. Let's stop that and let's get real. That's why getting off your phone is one of the top three health habits. It's why it matters. It's why it goes so much deeper than all the research that
Starting point is 00:48:38 we know that it's completely rewiring your brain and screwing up your serotonin and your dopamine and your reward centers and your cravings and impulse and it's making you stressed and worried and anxious and all that stuff and it's designed to keep you on it. It's making you miss out on so much of your life while you're spending all your time watching everybody else's life unfold online. I mentioned that I am boiling this down to three habits because we looked at the transcripts of 53 podcasts episodes from the Mel Robbins podcast and expert after expert after expert brought up the phone. Harvard's Dr. K to MIT and King's College of London's
Starting point is 00:49:18 Dr. Tali Sharit to Harvard Medical School's Dr. Aditi to MIT's Dr. Jeff Karp, and so many others agree. The phone is killing you. And you don't need a massive detox. You don't need to throw your phone in a lake, although I'm sure there's days that you've considered it. Just start small. An hour a day, that's it.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Put the phone in a drawer, a basket, your purse, keep it in your car, put it in the corner of the kitchen like I do. Make it a habit to not have it on you. Have it somewhere else. Set an alarm. Let the phone remind you that it's time to get off your phone.
Starting point is 00:49:54 When you take a walk, zip it in your fanny pack with the doggie bags, because that's where it belongs, where the poop goes, because it is not a positive thing. Dinner time, morning coffee, keep it off the table. Because one hour changes everything. 72 hours resets your dopamine and your serotonin, according to recent research. But one hour will help you take your life back.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I mean it. I know I sound like really like pie in the sky, but this has been a huge change for me, a huge change. I do feel that energy that Dr. Shafali is talking about. I look at that phone and I'm like, not right now. I'm more important than you are. I don't have time to waste. I wanna stay present.
Starting point is 00:50:41 If you do the same thing, you're going to start to feel differently. You're going to get time back. You're going to find yourself more focused. You're going to be present to the people around you. And they're going to be noticing that you notice. And there's this really cool thing that Dr. Alter talked about that you stretch time when you're not on your phone. It's called time when you're not on your phone. It's called time dilation. Those moments where five minutes feel like five hours because you were present for it. Just think about that. When's the last time you spent five minutes with somebody that you care about? And it felt like five hours. If you can even remember when that happened, I guarantee you, neither one of you were on
Starting point is 00:51:25 your phone. That's the gift you can give yourself, and it doesn't cost a thing. So let's be really clear. Habit number one, exercise. It is the number one health intervention that is designed to work with your body. Habit number two, get off the damn phone, period. Get off it enough so that you feel more powerful than that stupid device. Get off that phone enough every day
Starting point is 00:51:52 so that you start to reclaim your life and your power and be present for your life. And the other thing I gotta say is it's time to hit the pause button so we can hear a word from our sponsors. They're the reason I get to sit down with the most brilliant minds in health and bring you this life-changing research to you for free.
Starting point is 00:52:09 And while we do that, will you do me a favor? Cause I know you love to support people that support you. I want you to share this conversation with somebody that you care about. Because that's a way for you to stay present in your life. That's a way for you to use the phone for good. That's a way for you to use the phone for good. That's a way for you to connect with people. And don't go anywhere because we've just covered
Starting point is 00:52:29 two of the habits. We got a third one. You can't guess what this one is. This one's gonna surprise you and it's just as good as the first two. And I'll tell you what it is after this short break. I'll be waiting for you. I'll see you there.
Starting point is 00:52:53 Welcome back. It's your friend Mel Robbins. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for listening to this point, watching to this point. More importantly, thank you for making time to listen to something that can help you change your life. Now, so far, we've been talking about health and we've covered the first two habits that every expert after 53 episodes that we took the look at the transcripts on, these are the first two habits that make a real difference. Number one, move your body. Second, put the damn phone down, okay?
Starting point is 00:53:19 I wanna hammer home the third one because the third one is connected to the phone. This is research that people brought up over and over and over and over and over again. That's building connection and relationships with the people closest to you and even with total strangers. Because the third habit, this is a health habit, and it might surprise you, is prioritize and strengthen your relationships. And I know, I know, just like the other two, it sounds obvious on its face. But the others went kind of deep, right? So hang with me for a minute. Because you do know
Starting point is 00:53:57 that relationships matter. And I also know because I read all of your letters, and I see that a lot of you are feeling lonely. You don't know where your friends went. Some of you that are older, your friends have died. Those of you in your 20s, you feel like you don't know where your friends went because everybody's scattered after school. In your 30s, people are starting to get married or have kids. You may be single. You may be moving.
Starting point is 00:54:18 And so it can feel like it's hard to stay connected to people. But here's the thing, and I don't want you to just hear me say this, I really want you to allow the truth of this to sink in. Because if you just sort of roll your eyes and you just listen to the podcast or watch the podcast on YouTube, you're gonna miss that this third habit is the most powerful thing you can do for your physical, emotional, and mental health. It's not what you eat or how often you work out. It's your relationships that determine how long you live and how good you feel while
Starting point is 00:54:58 you're living your life. Now, let me say that again. Your relationships are the number one predictor of health, happiness, and longevity. Now that comes straight from one of our most cited guests that have ever appeared on the Mel Robbins podcast. I'm talking about Dr. Robert Waldinger. Dr. Waldinger is a medical doctor. He is a Harvard professor. He is the director of that Harvard study of adult development, which is the longest running study on happiness and health in human history. It started all the way back in 1938.
Starting point is 00:55:30 It is still going on today. He is the fourth director of this study. And here's what the data shows. The people who live the longest, who stay the healthiest, and who feel the happiest, they're not the richest. They're not the most disciplined. They're the people who have worked at maintaining and creating strong, supportive relationships. Now I want to tell you about the part of the study that shocked the researchers the most. The single biggest health benefit wasn't just emotional. So let me say that again, when you cultivate and prioritize strong and supportive relationships, the health benefit isn't just that you feel better, because of course you'd feel better. If you have friends, you feel better. If you're close to your family,
Starting point is 00:56:14 you feel better. You're not so lonely. But the biggest health benefit was physical, warm, meaningful relationships. They reduce your risk of chronic diseases like diabetes and heart disease. Why? Well, because relationships help you regulate your stress. You know how you feel when you see somebody who just gets you? You know how good it feels like your shoulders just drop when you hug a friend or a family member?
Starting point is 00:56:41 Your breathing slows, you can exhale. But when you don't have people to lean on, when you don't have great friends, when you're not connected to people in your community, you know what happens? Your stress hormones stay high. Your immune system gets fried because you're alone and that makes you feel unsafe.
Starting point is 00:57:03 And slowly but surely, you know what happens? Your body starts to break down. I hate this. I mean, this makes me so sad and get this, researchers could predict who would be healthiest at 80 just by looking at people in their 50s. And they didn't measure cholesterol. They didn't count their steps.
Starting point is 00:57:22 They didn't look at body mass index. They didn't see like how mass index, they didn't see like how many like bench presses they could do or how far they could run. They simply asked one question of people in their 50s, how happy are you in your relationships? One question, how happy are you in your relationships? Let me ask that to you right now. How happy are you in your relationships? Now you may be sitting here thinking, okay, Mel, I am not happy. I don't have the kind of connection right now. I am alone.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Like now you're making me scared, woman. I want you to hear this. Loneliness isn't a flaw. It's a wake-up call. It's a signal. It's kind of just like hunger. You know how when you get hungry, that's your body going,
Starting point is 00:58:03 a ding, ding, ding, dummy, you need to eat something. Or when you get thirsty, that's another signal. Ding, ding, ding, need some water over here. Your body sends you signals as a way to wake you up and tell you, hey, there's something that we need over here in order to live a good life. I need some food, I need some water, I need to move my body, otherwise I feel lull. I need to get some sleep, otherwise I feel tired.
Starting point is 00:58:32 When you're lonely, you're just missing connection. That's it. There's nothing wrong with you. Heck, maybe something happened. Maybe you went through a divorce. Maybe you lost a job. Maybe you lost somebody you love. Maybe your good friends moved away or what's happening with my parents right now. A lot of their good friends are starting to die. I mean, that's so sad to say. Or maybe you're in your twenties
Starting point is 00:58:55 and people are going off to graduate school or they're moving in with their significant other. People are moving to the cities they've always wanted to live in. And I, you're starting to go, I'm kind of lonely. There's nothing wrong with you. This happens in all different ways and times in your life, and it's just a signal. You're missing connection to other people. And you don't need to fix your whole life to feel better. You can do this. You've met people your whole life. What if I told you? What if I told you that some of your most favorite people
Starting point is 00:59:25 are not in the past? You haven't even met them yet. They're on the road ahead. And if you're thinking, but how do I do? I'm not great at this. I'm old, I'm young, I'm in a new city. I don't know how to start over. I broke up and everybody sided with them
Starting point is 00:59:36 and now I'm alone and I don't know what to do. You're about to get an answer you're gonna love, okay? I've called in a really incredible expert to help us with this last one because once you know what you need to do and that you're not broken and that relationships really matter, they matter for your health, they matter for your happiness, and there's some simple things that you can do in order to build relationships when you feel lonely. And that insight is going to come from none other than Dr. Laurie Santos. Now, Dr. Laurie Santos is a Yale professor, a cognitive scientist. She is the host of the award-winning The Happiness Lab podcast. She's
Starting point is 01:00:20 also the woman behind Yale's most popular class of all time. That class was called Psychology and the Good Life. And you deserve the good life. And part of the good life is having good relationships. And by having, you know what I mean? Creating them. You can create them. Over five million people have taken this course.
Starting point is 01:00:43 And so today, Dr. Santos is here to bring the classroom to you. She is going to give you the steps that you need so that you feel more connected, even if you're lonely, even if you're introverted, even if you don't know where to start. You don't need to know where to start because Dr. Santos is going to tell you exactly where to start. So I want you to listen to the research Dr. Santos is here to share with you. Check this out. Pretty much every available study of happy people suggests happy people are more social.
Starting point is 01:01:15 People who self-report being happier physically spend more time around other people, less time alone, and they also spend more time with their friends and family members. So they prioritize time, not just with any old human bodies floating around there, they pick time with people they care about. And this seems to be true both for introverts and extroverts. Really? Yeah. So the key that other people matter for introverts and extroverts is some work by Nick Epley
Starting point is 01:01:39 and his colleagues. He does these studies where he just like basically forces people to be a little bit more social than they normally would. so he walks up to people He's at the University of Chicago. So he does this on the L train Oh, I know this study where he forces people to talk to strangers on the train and to work Yeah And just for a $5 Starbucks gift card everybody's willing to do people sign up for that to talk to a stranger People will do anything for a $5 Starbucks gift card. It's really the engine of all social science research
Starting point is 01:02:03 Wow, people are like, I don't want to do that. It's like $5 Starbucks gift card. You're like, okay, fine. I'll talk to someone. Because that, and now notice my reaction. And as you're with Dr. Santos and I, you probably had the same reaction as you're listening to us. Like I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't do that for a $5 Starbucks gift card. There's no way you would talk to, I mean, like, you just gotta talk to some rando person on your computer. But I think the important thing here is that our reaction is that this is not going to
Starting point is 01:02:31 be fun. Correct. And our reaction is, so much so, I don't want a gift card to do that. And so we all would go into that situation and say, ooh, but what did the research find? Well, Nick actually did that comparison. He asked people, hey, if you were in these two conditions, like first of all, would you do it? And how would it feel?
Starting point is 01:02:53 And people said exactly what you're saying, Mel. And what I'm sure if you're listening, the person listening right now is thinking, no, I don't wanna do that. It would feel terrible. Not just it would feel neutral, but it would feel actively awkward or yucky or whatever. And what he finds is that it's just the opposite. People who spend their train ride talking to a stranger experience positive emotion. They feel more energized.
Starting point is 01:03:14 They feel less lonely. And in fact, enjoying your solitude on the train kind of makes you feel a little anxious, yucky. I mean, we can kind of simulate you're like, oh yeah, if I tell you, yeah, just don't talk to anyone, enjoy your solitude, what happens? We start ruminating, we get in our head, right? And so just this simple act of talking to a stranger makes us feel good. But the reason I love Nick's research is he tested this extrovert-introvert question.
Starting point is 01:03:36 And what he finds is that there's no difference in the happiness boost that extroverts and introverts get. Where there's a difference is on that prediction question. If I ask you, hey, how bad is it gonna be to talk to someone on the train? Extroverts think, pretty bad, but introverts think like, bad, bad. It's death.
Starting point is 01:03:54 Yeah, like the most horrible thing. But what's striking is they're wrong. You know, I do think it's a skill to just learn how to talk to people. Let's say we're ordering an egg sandwich. As a person's ringing me up, I'm like, hey, how you doing? And most people kind of look at you like, oh, hi.
Starting point is 01:04:11 And then I'm like, oh my gosh, I love your nails. And oh, well, thank you. And a compliment. Yes, huge. And a smile. Like what I find is it's almost like popcorn. If I walk in and I'm a pop kernel and I'm warm, there's something about complimenting somebody's socks or complimenting their nails or being like, even if they serve you the
Starting point is 01:04:32 cup of coffee, you're like, oh my gosh, that's so beautiful. Thank you. Oh, I really needed this. There's something about your warmth that always gets returned. And then I feel lifted by that interaction. And it helps me. Yeah. And this was something that Nick Epley said on my podcast.
Starting point is 01:04:51 He said, look, Lori, nobody waves, but everybody waves back. Like if somebody waves at you, you're gonna wave back, right? And then that just kind of gets the social connection off the ground. And for both individuals, it winds up feeling better. I could listen to Dr. Santos all day. the social connection off the ground. And for both individuals, it winds up feeling better.
Starting point is 01:05:05 I could listen to Dr. Santos all day, and I want to just hover on the big takeaway here, and then we're going to unpack it together. Okay? And that is, nobody waves. It's so true. But everyone waves back. In order to implement this third habit, be the person who waves. And I want to give you some examples of how to do this because when you're really lonely and you're either starting a new chapter or you feel like you have no idea where all your friends went and you're starting from zero, that kind of advice can make you go, be the one who waves. Seriously? So I want to dig into this more because I wrote about this very fact in the Let Them Theory book. See, when I was in my early 50s, my husband and I moved from a place that we had lived for 26 years
Starting point is 01:05:59 to a tiny town of 3000 people. I didn't know anyone my age. I was lonely. And even when you move somewhere that you want to move, when you get there, you realize, oh my God, I don't have any friends. And boy, your health is gonna get impacted because you're gonna feel sad and you're gonna feel lonely and you're going to feel very stressed out about it. And so this is really important.
Starting point is 01:06:22 So how do you implement, be the person who waves first? So one way you wave first Dr. Santos just talked about. Compliment people everywhere you go. This is the easiest way to strike up a conversation. This is what I did when I moved and had to create all-new friendships in my early 50s. People love to be complimented because they feel seen and appreciated. It is a foolproof way to break the ice with someone without feeling weird. Second, once you got that, be curious. Ask them what they're reading. Ask them what they ordered.
Starting point is 01:06:54 People love to talk about themselves. And even if it doesn't go any further than the other person saying thank you for the compliment, you get points for being the person who goes first. Three, smile and say hello to anyone and everyone you pass through me. Be warm and approachable. It's a skill. And if you practice this, it becomes a way of life. And when you move through life with this welcoming spirit, I wave first, life opens up to you.
Starting point is 01:07:23 Be the person who waves first. How many times do you wait for the other person to send the text, to make the plan? I know you, I used to do that, to say hello. How about you take this conversation today as a sign that it's time for you to make the first move. It's time for you to prioritize your relationships. Because the science is clear. People who spend more time with other people, friends, family, even just the people you say hello to at the coffee shop, they're not just happier. They're healthier too. Get off social media, choose connection when it counts. Stop waiting for everybody else to go first and just become the person who waves. Because those tiny moments of connection, they add up.
Starting point is 01:08:12 They matter. They matter a lot. And how reassuring is it to know that the number one predictor of your health and well-being isn't whether or not you stick to the diet or you wear a certain pant size or you keep up with the latest workout, but it's how you connect with the people who are already around you. So I promise that we are gonna make this simple.
Starting point is 01:08:36 So let's bring this home and just bottom line this. You wanna feel better? Then do these three things because 53 different experts all agree. These are the biggest bang for your buck. Move your body, get off your phone, and make your relationships a priority. That's it. These three habits, every single expert from Harvard researchers to Yale professors to doctors all over the world to people crunching the data in the science labs. They all agree.
Starting point is 01:09:10 You don't have to download another app. You don't need some complicated routine. You don't need to buy any equipment. Just use your body the way it was built to move and your body will be like, oh, thank you. Thank you for this. I've been waiting for you to balance. I've been waiting for you to walk.
Starting point is 01:09:29 I have been waiting for you to step up to that wall and do those 11 pushups a day. Thank you for recognizing that I got more that I'd like to do on this time here on earth and sit on my rear end and turn into a mushroom. Second thing, get off the phone. Come on now. You are so much more powerful. You are a beacon. You're built to be present.
Starting point is 01:09:51 You have so much energy. Stop wasting it by staring at the phone. Stick it in the corner, remove yourself from it, and take back control of your life. And finally, take your relationship seriously. Reconnect with old friends. Be the first one to wave. Be kind and warm to everybody.
Starting point is 01:10:13 Stop waiting for other people to make the plans and start being proactive about making the plans. Reach out not because you expect an invitation back, but because you know it matters. Your relationships do matter and you deserve all the benefits that come from feeling like you have prioritized strengthening them and creating them where you are right now. But mostly don't overthink this.
Starting point is 01:10:38 I did all the hard work for you. I simplified this just like I said I would. This is your health reset. Three simple things. Things that you can do right now. That you can start right away. That's what we did today. I'm so proud of you for listening to something that not only simplified all of the amazing research about health, but made it accessible and I think really important to do. And in case no one else tells you today, I wanted to be sure to tell you that I love you and I believe in you and I believe in your ability to create a better life.
Starting point is 01:11:11 And now that you have the science and you've got the three simple habits, go put it into practice and know that your friend Mel, I'm going to be right here cheering you on every step of the way and certainly I'll be waving at you. Alrighty, I'll see you in the very next episode. I'll be waiting to welcome you in the moment you hit play. I love this, who cares? I am also like that with sizes. You know what I mean? Like if it fits, it fits.
Starting point is 01:11:40 All right, this is how we do it. Mine or yours? Dude, Faxon is like, I gotta find a word that's like Axon. Faxon is... Between the deodorant and the... Oh my God, how we doing Faxon? Good. Here we go.
Starting point is 01:12:00 For Faxon. We're gonna try them out. Regular push-ups. On the knees, okay? No. Oh myups. On the knees, okay? No. Oh my God. Of exercise. Excuse me. Okay.
Starting point is 01:12:14 Oh, and one more thing. And no, this is not a blooper. This is the legal language. You know what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. I'm just your friend. I am not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of
Starting point is 01:12:37 a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist or other qualified professional. Got it? Good. I'll see you in the next episode.

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