The Menstruality Podcast - 101. How Womb Healing Can Liberate Your Leadership (Tumelo Moreri)

Episode Date: August 17, 2023

Today we’re talking about womb healing and leadership with Tumelo Moreri who is a Spiritual Healer, Womb Medicine Woman and Embodied Leadership Guide based in Botswana. Her work is anchored in her training in leadership and integrative coaching as well as African Spirituality.It’s a far-reaching conversation, rich in story and sprinkled all throughout with embodied feminine wisdom. We explore:How to follow your Calling, even when everything around you seems to be collapsing, and nobody around you seems to understand (and how your womb can guide you when you’re being cracked open). How connecting with your ancestors - an important part of Tumelo’s womb healing approach - can serve as an antidote to imposter syndrome (and how cycle awareness amplifies this)Our wombs as a gateway to the mother, the mystery our own unique medicine and how we can each work to ‘partner with our wombs’ as leaders. ---The doors are now open for our Your Creative Power course, starting in September. You can find out more and take your seat here: www.redschool.net/creativity---The Menstruality Podcast is hosted by Red School. We love hearing from you. To contact us, email [e-mail]---Social media:Red School: @redschool - https://www.instagram.com/red.schoolSophie Jane Hardy: @sophie.jane.hardy - https://www.instagram.com/sophie.jane.hardyTumelo Moreri: @tumelomoreri - https://www.instagram.com/tumelomoreri/

Welcome to the Menstruality Podcast, where we share inspiring conversations about the power of menstrual cycle awareness and conscious menopause. This podcast is brought to you by Red School, where we're training the menstruality leaders of the future. I'm your host, Sophie Jane Hardy, and I'll be joined often by Red School's founders, Alexandra and Sharni, as well as an inspiring group of pioneers, activists, changemakers and creatives to explore how you can unashamedly claim the power of the menstrual cycle to activate your unique form of leadership for yourself, your community and the world. Hey, thank you so much for joining us today. I'm in conversation with an amazing woman about womb healing and leadership. So today I'm chatting with Tumelo Moreri who is a spiritual healer, a womb medicine woman and an embodied leadership guide based in Botswana. Her work is anchored in her training

in leadership and integrative coaching as well as African spirituality and it's a far-reaching conversation that we have today. It's very rich in story and just sprinkled all throughout with embodied feminine wisdom. So we explore things like how you can follow your calling, even when everything around you seems to be collapsing and nobody around you seems to understand. And I've been in that place, I wonder if you have been too and Tumelo shares how our wombs can guide us when we're being cracked open in this way. We look at how connecting with our ancestors, which is an important part of Tumelo's womb healing approach, can serve as an antidote to imposter syndrome and how our cycle awareness practice can amplify this

and we also look at our wombs as a gateway to the mother, the great mother, the mystery and to our own unique medicine and how we can each work to partner with our wombs as leaders. Welcome to the podcast, Tamello. I'm really delighted to be having this conversation with you. It's so close to my heart and to my whole life story too I feel very kindred with you in your work and I can't wait to get into it with you and let's start with our cycles as we always do so yeah where are you at in your cycle how's it going for you today oh thank you so much Sophie it is such an honor for for me to be in conversation with you today thank you for the invite and thank you for this conversation today I am on day 14 so I am at the highest peak of my inner summer and yeah energies are high it's a really good time to be doing this conversation for me um it's been feeling like life has been feeling easier to do yes um over the past few days so

yeah I'm in a really good space beautiful so I'm on day 25 and everything else in my life feels basically impossible today apart from what we're doing right now which feels like the only thing that I want to be doing in conversation with people going into the depths of cycle awareness work and our wombs and all the magic that lives in that landscape for us so yeah I'm in a good spot for this but nothing else everything else is making me cranky and annoyed and grumpy holding you deeply in my heart as you have yeah only the energy for just this today yeah this is what I want to be doing if I could just do this all day yeah because I mean talking about cycle aware leadership and womb led leadership, you know, my day started with potentially our child not being able to go to his childminder.

And that sent the whole day into a tumble. And there were lots of things to potentially reorganize. I'm grateful for being in the premenstruum in a way because it calls me home into my body, into myself, into my needs. And I've been grateful for that. It's not necessarily that nice for anyone around me. But stepping into leadership today has meant breathing a lot, grounding myself a lot, remembering who I am. And I can access that in the premenstruum gym so it's a good place to be I love it especially for what it means for our leadership which is part of the conversation we'll be doing today right I always get so super excited when we drop into the ways in which our bodies and our wounds can guide and inform our leadership, which is like so radical and so revolutionary as well,

especially given the times like we're living in and also especially given what we're being invited into as leaders, what we're being invited to birth, not only for our individual paths, but for the entire human collective and for our world. So yeah, definitely like holding you in my heart for your day 25 and also just deeply celebrating like just the wisdom that is coming forth and the ways in which we're able to lead

when we lean into that wisdom yeah such a game changer and it feels like leadership has been with you basically from the beginning right so I was listening to this beautiful podcast episode which I'll put a link to in the show notes of your podcast the Tumelo Moreri podcast and you had it was basically your life story which was just such a joy to kind of sit with you and hear about all of the amazing things that happened for you and so one thing that stood out right at the beginning was that you were actually invited into leadership from a very young age you mentioned that at 11 you were you were already being elected into leadership from a very young age. You mentioned that at 11, you were already being elected into leadership positions in your school, right? How was that to be chosen to lead from that young age?

At the time, because I was so young and I was in primary school and there are all these energetics that I had played in a primary school system amongst the learners. So essentially in that leadership role, which meant that I almost had to step into a higher level of maturity while still in the midst and in the company of my peers and like it came with an element of almost there could be instances of not being liked by other students right because you're having to to be the responsible one you're having to be the mature one so there was that dynamic with with my peers, yeah, I had to become responsible, had to step into that even more mature level of interaction, of engaging.

And at the same time, for me, like away from peers, away from whatever dynamics I might have created with my peers, it felt like the most natural thing to happen. And then you went on to have lots of leadership roles throughout your school life, all the way to being on the Student Council of Representatives at the University of the Free State in South Africa. I wanted to ask you about this time in South Africa for you. Something that struck me in your podcast was you said that when you crossed the border from Botswana to South Africa that it was the first time that you were aware of being Black and also aware of being African and it

opened your eyes to what was happening on the African continent. And the way you spoke about it was so moving. And you said that you even got a tattoo on your back. So I was wondering if you could tell us the story of your tattoo. I'd love to. Thank you so much for asking about that, Sophie. It's a period of my life that that has been so pivotal and that means so much to me crossing the border into South Africa in 2019 like it felt like an initiation or a beginning of an initiation in my life. I mean, I had already been initiated into leadership

at the age of 11, right? And throughout primary school, secondary school, all the way to senior secondary school. But there was something about crossing into South Africa that just, like, it feels like it opened my eyes. It woke me up to myself that journey it took me into a path of deeply exploring who I am and what I believe in you know outside of what I had been taught to believe growing up you you know, I started to begin to step into my own.

And that journey grew in me a deep appreciation for the African continent, one. And then when I started getting involved in student leadership and other activities on campus at university it initiated within me a conversation around African leadership and I had I had actually gone to South Africa to study something quite removed or I believe quite removed from that which is actuarial science and mathematical statistics so that blew my mind when I read that Tamela because I was like how can this woman bridge the world of like

the deepest spiritual womb healing and masters in mathematics it's definitely been an initiatory path to walk. Yeah. It's a path of both ends. It's active everywhere in my life. Even in my work, it's the womb and leadership, not just the womb or not just leadership. Yes. you know yes and so yeah the more I have I have journeyed further in my life the more I've I've grown an acceptance of the both and that possibly for me it will never be just one thing and so in varsity I would find myself you know attending class to do high level mathematics on calculus. And then in the evening attending, we call them,

or attending a symposium, you know, on African leadership, you know, where maybe a writer had come to campus and was talking about, you know, I remember one time there was a public lecture by the brother of one of the former presidents of South Africa. He was on campus and I'm surrounded by students who are studying humanities, you know, and there I am the odd one out who studied mathematics, right? And so like my peers would always remark that I was possibly on the wrong path, you know, like every time I was possibly on the wrong path, you know. Like every time I was in my calculus, accrual field,

they would find it weird that I was going to all of these public lectures. And every time I was in the public lectures, they would find it weird that I was there and not still doing my mathematics. And so I continued on that path but before I completed that journey in 2011 I think that was one of one of the like the key moments in my spiritual awakening journey so in 2011 when I was doing my second year I like I had in me I felt that I was probably not on the right path with that material science thing. And I had a desire to change courses, but I eventually decided not to, right? I think it was still this impulse that is very active in my life now, right? So I decided to complete the degree anyway. And at the end of that degree, after completing it, and I'm bringing in that thread about the tattoo now. So when I completed that degree,

which in many ways I thought might have been informed by societal expectations on me. You know, as a straight student, you should go study medicine or study something hard to step into the corporate field. You know, that was some of the or part of the voice of the conditioning that got me onto that path. I mean, it's something I'm grateful for. I don't think I'll change anything. However, by the time I completed the degree, I decided from this to satisfy, you know, what people think I should do with my life, what family thinks I should do with my life. I lay it all down and I'm now going to do me. And one of the key things that I knew were going to be a part of my journey going forward was of being service to the African continent and so I got this tattoo on my back which is a map of Africa and I mean I had to do a lot of thinking about it to to consider do I still want to have this at the age of 80 and I knew I knew that there was a very high likelihood that even in my old age,

I will still want to be of service to the African continent and to the African people, which is in so many ways what has brought me to today and to the work that I'm doing today. So by now you've got the mandala roads scholarship so you're studying maths and you but part of that um scholarship involved leadership development so your calling was sort of arranging things for you here or like the mystery of the universe and i just wanted to ask you about you had you said you had this moment in around 2015 of sort of simultaneously hitting rock bottom and having this moment of spiritual awakening which is so often the case or it has been in my life that whenever I hit the bottom of something it's usually because I'm about to break through into the next level of

of understanding or living or being and yeah I'd just love to hear about that moment. There's always a lot to say about this, you know. So the socialization that I had had, it was very difficult to break free of that, you know. And by the time I applied for the Mandela Road Scholarship, so the Mandela Road Scholarship was for a master's, right? I still applied for a master's in mathematical sciences. And like looking back now, I'm like, girl, come take the lead, right? But it was so difficult at the time. And so here I am, I am awarded the most beautiful scholarship, which

for me, that was really the gold. All I wanted was this leadership scholarship for the leadership development program component of it. However, the master's in mathematical statistics was never aligned. Right. It also happened at a time when there was like a very, like almost like a quickening, a bubbling up beneath the surface of my own life, of my soul, saying it is time for you to step into your calling. Right. So there I am. I go on, go on to University of Cape Town and I try this master's thing and it just it collapsed it never worked you know and those two years 2014 and 2015 they are by far have been the most powerful two years of my life

I don't know if it was maybe because of being so close to a body of water but there was deep activation there that happened for my soul for my life where anything and everything that was not aligned it just fell away the masters just dissolved it collapsed right before my eyes and I knew then why it was collapsing although it was difficult to admit to to the people in my life like to my family you know to those who wanted who still hung on to the image of the girl in corporate you know but in my heart yeah I knew why it was collapsing and like at a deep soul level I knew that I was being brought into alignment you know and yeah and and it was really then 2015 that that this journey that that this journey that I'm on now started it started in

2014-15. And it started with meeting someone who was a healer and working in this field of womb healing, right? Yes, yes. Her name is Matilo Mute. She's a South African healer. Yeah, I'm not sure what she calls herself, but she is a healer. yeah um like i i also need to say something about the mandela roads experience because that's where my inner healing journey began you know it wasn't as deep as you know you do it now but it was like for the first time i was meeting myself as a girl who had grown up in botana and not hearing anything about the healing arts you know and not having been in any coaching space, I was meeting myself for the first time and it just cracked me open. And I think it also activated other timelines

and activated other costs of events such that a few months later, I would stumble onto this woman on Facebook. And in the middle of the night, I sent her a message and she immediately responds. And by some pure miracle, because she was based in Hau Teng in another province at the time. And by some miracle, a few months later, she is hosting a workshop in Cape Town I'm like what and I knew I wasn't gonna miss it right and so here I am like very new I don't even know what this woman is gonna do like when she says we're going to be doing a conversation with our womb so I'm going there not knowing what to expect. And I get there, and this woman literally facilitates a conversation between ourselves and our wombs.

You know, that was like the very first experience I had of healing work as we know it. Literally spoke to my womb, and what emerged there was an invitation for healing work around my mother wound. And I've usually heard in the healing art spaces, conversations around how your first healing experience can in so many ways and form your path and for me my very first healing experience the very first healer I met was a womb healer and what emerged was mother wound themes and yo Sophie I was ill the days that followed after that that workshop because yeah I am I think I was 27 years old I had never touched any of my trauma that sat in my body and here it was being touched for the first time and it all just came to the

surface you know god I relate how old did you say you were 20 yeah 2015 I was 27. Around that time I remember being in a tent at a festival with the first person I can't remember her name but the first person who ever introduced me to the concept of the fact that I might be holding something in my body that was painful and difficult and if we could move through it I could open up and experience more joy and potential and and I just what came forth like is it wasn't a conversation with my womb but if it could have been it would have just been a flood of tears of just the grief pouring out from from younger sexual experiences basically as it is for so many people but how yeah how wonderful that we were able to that we were guided in this way and that we were held by people to find this path so early really in our 20s it's um yeah it's a real blessing

and I would love to like tease apart this idea of womb healing now because you know we've mentioned mother wound work is a big part of it for me sexual trauma healing has been a big part of it I know it is for many you speak about the many different aspects of the psycho-spiritual process that goes on when we do womb work the traumas that we have from living in patriarchy and healing those unprocessed emotions father wound as well alongside the mother wound but could you like walk us into how you define womb healing and a kind of if you can a brief summary of what it kind of includes or what the landscape is that you that you use with your clients yeah so like womb healing is a really broad body of work because it encompasses so much by virtue of the womb and of the sacral chakra being the home and being the authority of so much in our lives.

So maybe we could just start off with the fact of the sacral chakra governs matters of our emotions of intimacy of pleasure of sensuality of creativity and so when we're speaking about intimacy connection that is the womb when we're speaking of our emotional well-being or even of our emotional body that is very closely portal that is our wombs when we are speaking of our sexual well-being or the manifestation and the experience of our sexuality, we are speaking about the womb. And so womb healing work will include intimacy healing.

It will include sexual healing. We also can't do womb healing without also doing mother womb healing. Because for a lot of us as women, a lot of what we carry, we might have inherited it from our mothers and along the maternal lineage, right? And also when we consider a lot of the experiences that we have as women living in a patriarchal society that might be wounding for our bodies, a lot of those experiences are also deeply wounding for our wombs, right? So there are quite a number of pathways that we could explore or that we could tap into or step into when we're healing our wounds.

And then there's also the experience and the manifestation of wound pain, which might look like severe menstrual cramping, which might look like PMDD, which might look like endometriosis, which might look like PCDD, which might look like endometriosis, which might look like PCOS, you know, like where it's like a very, where it's a physical manifestation of pain in the womb. So those are just some of what we would be looking to heal. And so then when we come to exactly what do we mean by healing the womb, like what do we mean by womb healing?

For me, womb healing, and I'll share within the scope of my practice, right? So when we're talking about womb healing, we're talking about facilitating a healing or for the imprint or for the residue of trauma, for the residue of pain that might have been sustained by the wound or that might have been sustained through the wound. And so this healing for me in my work, I hold space for it at four levels. At the emotional level, where we are wanting to process, to transmute whatever residue might still be active within the emotional body. Another layer is at the psychological level, which could be like the stories that we have formed, the beliefs, the vows, a lot of what we as women carry are vows from our mothers, from our grandmothers, of who we can be, of who we be, of who we can't be, which can manifest as a lot of pain. For us, the third layer is the spiritual layer and then the more physical energetic or

somatic layer yeah it's just so rich you know we could clearly talk for 10 hours and still have so much more to say I guess I would I'd love to talk about how womb healing connects to leadership one of the things I've heard you say in my time swimming in your lovely world is um unless we tend to the pain and the trauma in us on that personal level it will show up in however we're leading in the world. It will show up in how we parent, it will show up in how we manage our projects that we're leading, or maybe organizations that we're leading, or countries that we're leading for our future presidents who are listening. And because we live, because the dominant culture is patriarchal there is so much trauma for us to tend to particularly as women so I wonder if we could name some of the ways that

you know you've seen pain and trauma manifest in leaders so we can kind of look for them ourselves and then yeah just to kind of open this up, like one thing you mentioned is self-sacrifice for one, which I imagine a lot of people listening can relate to. Yeah, definitely like self-sacrifice. Another key energetic, like speaking of the patriarchal society that we live in right another key energetic that is active there is of like we're conditioned into 24 7 productivity

and activity where we don't rest and where we also measure our worth depending on how much we're able to produce or how much we're able to do. That is something that, like, it's so deeply wounding in the sense that it disconnects us from our innate wisdom, from our divine wisdom, especially as women like it's there for men too but like especially as women because the mystery the mother she shows her face in those moments when we allow for a pause oh you just have to say that again tamale you have to say that again i hope say it again that's that's yeah. So it was that the mystery, the mother, tends to show herself, you know, like in moments of pause, in moments when we allow ourselves to rest and to quieten and to listen to ourselves.

Truth, truth, truth truth truth truth I've thought about this a lot in my life as someone who has experienced burnout a few rounds of it and I've just never thought of it that way the mystery the mother she shows her face in the moments when we pause and that's you know just to weave some cycle awareness in here since this is the menstruality podcast the menstruation is our invitation portal it's right it's right there waiting for us every cycle I get chills like I'm getting chills right now because our menstrual cycles are right at the core of it like when we're speaking about the womb like we can't talk about the womb without talking about our menstrual cycle or our cyclical nature and actually, that is the portal. Like, when we're talking about burnout,

when we're talking about, like, a culture that conditions us to do, do, do nonstop, the antidote for that is held within our bodies, it's held within our cycle. The keys to feminine leadership, the keys to resurrecting the divine feminine in our world and in our leadership are held within our bodies, you know? And we need only step into our wombs. We need only step back into our menstrual cycles to retrieve those keys, to retrieve those codes or to activate them because they're there within us.

They're only laying dormant, right? Because there's been this disconnection from our wombs and from our feminine nature and from our cyclicity, right? Yeah, sure. It's so wild to just think about what has happened in this world i know and moment to invite you to join us for a free online gathering that Alexandra and Sharni are hosting in September called your big bold thing and it's in the run-up to the start of our brand new online course which explores the power of cycle aware creativity it's called your creative power so the course itself is going to offer a step-by-step map

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you need to bring your unique genius to the world. So your Big Bold Thing is free and it's happening on September the 7th and we'd love to have you with us. You can take your seat for free at redschool.net forward slash big. That's redschool.net forward slash big that's redschool.net forward slash big I also wanted to bring in imposter syndrome here which we're talking about a lot at the moment because we're speaking about creativity a lot on the podcast and it's one of the we did this survey with our community and it's just one of the number one things that is getting in the way of people's creativity and you had this story of running Africa Etute the charity that you yeah that you founded and that um you had this sense of oh I need to run this organization for at least 10 years because

only then will I have the experience I need to to work with women leaders and it really reminded me of that momentum that patriarchy can cultivate in us of I need that another qualification I need another stamp of approval from the authorities that be to say that I am qualified to be the freaking person I am already, you know, like, and there was this wonderful moment in your podcast when you were like, do you know what? My own life has shown me that I'm ready to be a healer for women leaders now. And I was like, cheering with you so good um thank you for bringing that here Sophie I guess I'd love to hear what what that moment how you navigated that moment because so many of us

are stuck in those loops and there's just something very liberating about hearing the story of someone that was able to break out and claim space. Africa Isite was actually born from my Mandela Roots experience, right? Where stepping out of the leadership development program, like part of my intention was to because it had changed my life I wanted to create something similar you know for the youth

or for the youth leaders back here at home and I did that for for about three years where I was running like leadership development programs for young leaders. And for me, the moment where that shift happened was actually as a result of me having stepped into my healing path, the journey of just healing my own personal and inner life. The year before, I had started to become very curious about this idea of ancestors. And as life would have it in 2019, I did like my first one-on-one work with a healer. So her name is Joy Mahami. She has been my mentor for quite some time and deeply changed my life. So in that three months together, we dug into a lot of my own ancestral trauma and my own personal trauma as well.

A lot of which was making it difficult for me to step into myself. Yes. So for me, it was actually as a result of that deep inner healing work that I was able to step into the version of myself who was ready and okay to collapse the 10-year plan. So yeah, once I broke free from those shackles of past pain and trauma, I was able to say, like, my team and I were already in the process of signing a big deal, like with a huge corporate here in Botswana to support our work at Afrika Tito on hold and I started what would become this work that I now do. So it was both an activation of my relationship with my divine ancestors and me remembering the truth of who I am.

And I'm still on that journey, you know. As you are aware, self-doubt is a huge thing that plays out in our journey as purpose-led entrepreneurs, right? And there has been other big revelations, you know, that have continued to affirm the fact of me being qualified by virtue of me being me, you know? And when we now weave in the wisdom of the mystery, we begin to see that for a lot of us

and for a lot of us who do this work and this is not to say we should do our way with trainings or apprenticeships however there has been an appreciation that for a lot of us who who are called into this work a lot of our medicine is actually held within who we are right like that we are the walking medicine we are the walking remedy right and so that's been like also like just a huge mind-blowing learning for me which comes in layers over time yes I love this we are the walking remedy there was a sentence that you shared somewhere that this work is really about us becoming partners with our wombs and I think cycle awareness is such a great framework or

you know set of riverbanks for us to do this work of partnering with this hub of wisdom inside us and you gave an example of like your own partnering with your womb which is learning how to be a leader and run your business and your work in a slower way that was paced to your own rhythm you said this beautiful thing living my life slowly has possibly been the deepest most exquisite intimacy I've ever experienced. Did I write that? You did. And yeah, I'd love to hear like, yeah, what has cycle awareness had a lot to do with this slow living like it has there been like as you've consciously menstruated more is is that part of that awakening for you

definitely cycle awareness has always been a part of it you know there's something I haven't told you Sophie because when all of this started in 2015 for me, that's actually when I discovered Red School. My journey as a war medicine woman started with me discovering Red School and discovering menstrual cycle awareness. when I started running my own business, although I was trying to figure it out on my own, how to sync my work or the flow of my work with my inner seasons. And God even more sharpened recently in the cyclical business course, which has changed my life as I willed myself to learn to study to learn and to work with my inner rhythms and so like this has felt very important for me and also important for the collective of us as women, because by the issue of having been raised in a patriarchal society, there is a particular pace that we're conditioned into. We're taught this is how you should move in the world, and this is the pace at which you should move in the world.

All right. And with that, we forget that each one of us is created unique. And therefore, no two individuals can have two identical paces of how to move or how to create or how to live their lives. It feels ridiculous for me that. It is ridiculous. Ridiculous. Like how can that be possible, right? right and so for me like the cycle awareness journey it in a very sacred way invited me to come to learn to come to listen to what might be my own organic pace like to listen to

the pace at which or the speed at which my body would actually like to move in the world, the pace at which my body would like to create, which speaks to our creativity. And so for me, it's been a very humbling journey to come and sit at the feet of my body and to say, yes, like, please guide me, like, show me the way of how much feels enough for me in a day, of how much feels enough for me to do in a month. It hasn't been without its challenges, right? Because we're working against that conditioning that says you must do more, be more, bigger profits every year, more, more, more, more, more. And so it's been like a very deep initiatory journey for me.

And I need to add another layer that's also like deeply contributed to this, although it's not an area of speciality for me, which is human design, right? And so a couple of years ago, I discovered that I might be in human design, or I just called a projector. And so, yeah, like I, with human design,

you need to have your time of birth, right? And so for me, I don't have your time of birth right and so for me I don't have my time of birth for some weird reason but I believe it's part of the mystery I've kind of let it go however the more I read into the the projector energy time it felt to resonate so deeply with me because like for me I felt like I wanted to create life slowly move at a slower pace which is quite characteristic of projectors right and so like it's it's been like a fusion of both although it's been more menstrual cycle awareness than design because it's the cycle awareness that um i'm more um that i i know better

that i understand better so yeah yeah definitely it's been this journey of coming home to my own inner rhythms coming home to the ebb and flow of energy in my body and in my life and learning to honor that and to lean into that and to be guided by that yeah yes I wonder if we can do a bit of an experiment here because one of the things you shared recently really struck me and I'd like to invite our listeners into a kind of experiment or a practice with us so tell me what you think I was just come up right now um because I love hanging out with you it's inspiring it's like getting lots of ideas so one of the things you spoke about was how the patriarchy is so everywhere around us and it's like the it's like air that we're breathing and

because it's like air that we're breathing it's entering our lungs it's entering our hearts it's entering our bloodstream you know it's in our menstrual blood it's in us and so it infuses everything including what we think and that that the womb and the body offer us like an antidote to this. And that one of the ways that this can show up is when we think about our values as leaders, which can turn into a very heady process of I value this and this. And it turns into a list of 15 things with strategies and all this and that there's another way another way is to you said the womb speaks the language of emotions and that we can drop in and ask ourselves when we, when we reflect on different values, like, how do I feel? How does

this feel? So I wonder if we could invite, well, I'd love to hear you speak about this, but I wonder if we could invite our listeners to do this practice and maybe we can share a post on the Red School Instagram where we say, you know, tell us what your womb has to say about what your values are as a leader yeah I'd love to hear what you think yeah wow thank you so much Sophie and for bringing for bringing that into the space there's so much wisdom held within our bodies and within our wombs our bodies know and our wombs know almost like fact it's like our wombs know you know and we need only ask and of course this is something that we can grow into that we can learn, given that it's not an active component of our education on earth.

And so one of the things that we can grow and learn to ask our wombs is how would I like to feel? How would I like to feel in my intimate relationship? How would I like to feel when I'm in my home? How would I like to feel as I do my work in my business or in my workplace? How would I like to feel in my leadership? Like when I'm leading, how would I like to feel in my leadership like when i'm leading how would i like to feel and i love like this i love this question this inquiry so much because it connects directly to the source that is our wound like when you ask how would I like to feel all the lights in your womb go like and they're like whoa

and she begins to speak and I also love I also love this line of inquiry because when we sit with some of the goals that we set like if we were to sit down and ask, so what do you want for your life? And you say, oh, I want a Mercedes Benz. I want a three-story house, you know.

Beneath that, it's usually like the felt state that we're actually desiring. It could be that maybe when I have a million bucks in the bank, I will feel secure or I will feel worthy or I will feel abandoned or I will feel important. So like when you ask how would I like to feel, you go direct to the source of your desires and direct to the source of your womb wisdom. And with that, like with that line of inquiry, then you also open yourself to infinite possibilities because there are so many things that could make you abandoned as a million bucks would be. And once you say to the universe, to God, I'd like to feel abandoned, he, she begins to open portals. And because the universe creation is infinite,

it cannot be just one portal. And so you find being created being brought into your life many events many experiences many manifestations that will bring about that fell state of being abundant you know it's like you literally connect direct to source, you know, which is what our roots are. It's the seed of the mother. It's the seed of creation. And where our lives are born, our lives are conceived, our lives are created.

And also where our leadership is born, where our leadership is created. So we're being invited to come back home, to come back to the seed of creation and to birth our lives from that expanded place. Well, that feels like a beautiful place to draw this conversation to a close for now. I'd love to ask how people can connect with you if they'd like to explore you and your work more. So I am on social media. I'm mostly active on Instagram. And my handle is at Dumelo Moreri.

So it's just my name and my surname and yeah you may also check out my website they may also check out my website and yeah from my website then that links that lead to my blog, which is where I mainly teach and share this wisdom. And also links to my healing programs, my one-on-one work for those who might want to explore that. So, yeah, mainly Instagram, my website. website if you'd like to search for my podcast it's the dimelo marrero podcast everywhere where yeah where we listen to podcasts thank you so much i you know we set the intention for this to be healing really and for us and for everyone listening and i really feel that I feel very soothed and settled and at home and myself after this conversation and it's just such a delight to be with you

Tamela thank you so much for everything you've shared and thank you so much Sophie for having invited me into this place, into this space, and for having so beautifully and graciously led this conversation. I deeply appreciate it, and I deeply, deeply appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you, love. thanks for joining us today i really would love to hear from you if you feel like doing this experiment with me of asking your body your womb how you would like to feel in your life and seeing where that leads you to in terms of understanding your values as a leader, as a cycle aware leader in our world. So you can always write to me at sophie at redschool.net. I'd love to hear from you. And that's it for this week. I'll see you next week. And until then,

keep living life according to your own brilliant rhythm.