The Misery Machine - Dennis Nilsen: The UK's Jeffrey Dahmer | The Muswell Hill Murderer | The Kindly Killer

Episode Date: September 7, 2020

Happy Labor Day! This week, Drewby and Yergy take another trip across the pond and delve into the horrors of Dennis Nilsen, whose crimes bear striking similarities to that of our own Jeffrey Dahmer. We also discuss the upcoming 3 part miniseries "Des," starring David Tennant as Dennis Nilsen - which we are very excited for. Dennis Andrew Nilsen was a Scottish serial killer and necrophile who murdered at least twelve young men and boys between 1978 and 1983 in London, England. Convicted of six counts of murder and two of attempted murder, Nilsen was sentenced to life imprisonment on November 4th, 1983, with a recommendation that he serve a minimum of 25 years.  All of Nilsen's murders were committed in the two North London addresses in which he resided between 1978 and 1983. His victims would be lured to these addresses and killed by strangulation, sometimes accompanied by drowning. Following each murder, Nilsen would observe a ritual in which he bathed and dressed the victim's body, which he retained for extended periods of time, before dissecting and disposing of the remains by burning on a bonfire or flushing down the toilet. He died in prison on May 12, 2018 of a pulmonary embolism and retro-peritoneal hemorrhage. Join Our Facebook Group to Request a Topic: https://t.co/DeSZIIMgXs?amp=1 Support Our Patreon For More Unreleased Content: https://www.patreon.com/themiserymachine PayPal: https://www.paypal.me/themiserymachine Instagram: miserymachinepodcast Twitter: misery_podcast Discord: https://discord.gg/kCCzjZM #podcast #documentary #truecrime  Source Material: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Nilsen https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/david-tennant-on-playing-dennis-nilsen-the-making-of-a-murderer-0mh8bwz2b https://www.biography.com/crime-figure/dennis-nilsen https://murderpedia.org/male.N/n/nilsen-dennis.htm  

some call the UK's Jeffrey Dahmer. If you're listening on YouTube, please like and subscribe. We just hit 850 subscribers, so thank you so much to everyone who subscribed. Yes, thank you everyone who's been helping us along the way so far. But without further ado, Dennis Nilsen. Dennis Nilsson was born on November 23rd, 1945 in Fraserburg, Scotland. His parents' marriage was an unhappy one, and as a result, Nilsson, his mother, and siblings

lived with his maternal grandfather whom Nilsson admired. Nelson claimed that his grandfather's unexpected death when he was just six years old and the traumatizing viewing of his corpse at the funeral led to his later psychopathy and the horrors he committed.

So yeah, just a little bit of background here on Dennis Nilsen's parents. So his father was, I wouldn't say soldier, he was in the Norwegian army and he met his mother who was a got and he was basically never home and after having the third child she basically decided she had rushed way too soon into marriage and divorced him because he just literally was never home and

had zero interest in making a home with her it's just come home to like basically fuck and then leave so his mother went on to remarry and have four more children leave nilson a lonely child's aware of his homosexual attractions he claimed no sexual encounters as an adolescent And at 16, he enlisted in the army. He became a cook, serving as a butcher in the Army Catering Corps. Upon leaving the army in 1972, he took up police training where he discovered a fascination with morgue visits and autopsies. Despite the obvious advantages that police work gave to develop his morbid tastes, he resigned and went on to become a recruitment interviewer.

Nilsen's first brush with the police came in 1973. David Painter, who was a young man that Nilsson had met through his work, claimed that Nilsson had taken pictures of him while he was asleep. Painter was so upset that he required hospitalization. It seems a little dramatic. Seems a bit much, but I'm not going to victim shame. Nilsen was brought in for questioning about the incident, but was released without charge.

In 1975, he roomed with David Gullochin in an apartment at 195 Melrose Avenue in North London. Although Galachin denied that they had a relationship. This lasted two years, and when Golichin left, Nilsson's life began a downward spiral into alcoholism and loneliness, which culminated in his first murder 18 months later. So you're going to see a lot of parallels here between Dennis Nilsson and our Jeffrey Dahmer. I mean, I'm seeing a little bit of Ed Kemper or two. A little bit as well.

A lot of people don't know about this guy, but he took place not long before Dahmer did. Nelson became increasingly disturbed by his sexual encounters, which only seemed to reinforce his loneliness whenever they were over, much like Jeffrey Dahmer. He met his first young victim at a pub on December 29th of 1978 and invited him home. The next morning, overcome by a desire to prevent the young man from leaving, he strangled him with a tie before drowning him in a bucket of water. Very much like Jeffrey Dahmer. Yes. Nelson took the corpse to his bathroom to wash it and then placed it back into his bed, later noting that he found the corpse beautiful. He unsuccessfully attempted to engage in necrophilia,

but instead spent the night sleeping next to the dead man. He finally hid the corpse under his floorboards for seven months, before removing it and burning the decaying remains in his garden. So I'm no gardener, but I haven't really heard of anybody burning things in their garden before. Do you think this would attract some sort of attention, especially if he's living in a somewhat populated area? So this is kind of a suburban area. And from what I have read, this didn't cause any red flags with anybody.

This was an apartment. It just had a garden there and he was at ground level. And this didn't erase suspicion. Some reports had him burning shit all day long. And was this a communal garden or a private garden? I believe this is a communal garden. Yeah, because from what I understood, he, yeah, what I understood, he lived in an apartment complex, shared by other people and that he didn't really have his own private space other than his own

apartment. Yeah, I don't know if it was like more of a complex where you have something that has floorboards. It must have been something older. I mean, still, if you keep a body for seven months in floorboards, it's going to permeate. It's going to permeate and then you're burning it out in a public space. It's going to create black smoke and there's that smell. That's just the weird thing about that one to me. Yeah, one, it's bold too. You start to ask, well, how did this guy not get caught? He's just asking for it at that point. He had another close call with the police in October. of 1979 when a young student accused Nilsson of trying to strangle him during a bondage play session, despite the student's claims no charges were pressed against Nilsson. And I'm not surprised to hear this as this is what happens when you have crime committed between two gay men, the police just throw up their hands and walk away. Much like Dahmer. Nilsson encountered his second victim, Canadian tourist Kenneth Ackenden at a pub on December 3rd, 1979. Following a day of sightseeing and drinking, Nilsson again succumbed to his fears of abandonment

and strangled Ockenden to death with an electrical cable. He cleaned up the corpse as he did before and shared the bed with it. He took photos of himself engaging in various necrophilic acts with the body and finally placed the corpse under the floorboards, removing it frequently and engaging in conversation, as if Ocktonton was still alive. Just five months later, Nilsson met his third victim, Martin Duffy, a homeless 16-year-old whom he had invited to spend the night on May 13th of 1980, again, much like Dahmer, going after the indigent.

As with his first victim, Nilsen strangled, then drowned him before bringing him back to the bed and masturbating over the teenager's body. Duffy was kept in a wardrobe for two weeks before joining Ockenden under the floorboards. So he doesn't just keep one at a time. He has to... He is keeping so many. Here's your floorboard, mate. I hope this is like a decent-sized apartment.

Yeah, was this a tiny flat? Was he an efficiency? Like, I hope this was big. I doubt it, but I hope so. Just my guess based on the average flat. I mean, this was shakedown 1979. I don't know how apartments were then, but I know that flats now aren't the... Aren't the greatest thing.

Yeah, or the most... roomy thing from what I've been told. I will say that I've watched an account on YouTube. I forget which one it was. It was something I was just listening to while I was working one day and there was a gentleman and I don't know if it was at this apartment or the next apartment

that he moved into. I think it was this one and it was one of the gentlemen that actually got away. You'll hear later in the episode there are people that made it out of this alive. He could smell all the bodies in there but he thought it was his dog had shit all over the apartment. Yeah, I remember hearing

about this. Yeah. People were coming in here and like still having hookups with all these dead bodies. Damn, what does that awful smell? Oh, I don't give a fuck. Whip it out. My God. I mean, the first scent of that, even if it was like dog shitting all over the apartment, I think I'd be the fuck out. I mean, I'm not going to shame people if that's what you're into. Okay, maybe you like, Maybe you like dog shit. Maybe I'm not, okay, okay, listen. At least it's not cat shit. I mean, you can't, I'm not going to go here condoning being into dog shit. Maybe the smell of dog shit is something that, you know, just kind of gets you going. You do you.

The sweet perfume. You do you, buddy. Like, we're not here to kink shame, all right? Absolutely not. So maybe, maybe this just worked out in some people's favors. I mean, Divine ate some doggy poop at the end of pink flamingos. I never saw that. I'll have to show it to you.

I have it up in one of the boxes. Like, ironically ate it or unironically ate it? Like, at the end of the film, he is walking around. next to a little fru-frew dog who takes the shit and then he's like ah ha ha ha ha and then eats it so he does it as a joke i guess so so he seems very happy about it is this smiling and smears it all over his face this is some climactic part of this movie it sounds perfect for the sundance festival absolutely his next victim was prostitute billy sutherland who was 27 and unfortunately he too was strangled another one of his victims 24-year-old malcolm Barlow was an orphan with learning disabilities who was also strangled. By 1981,

Nilsson had killed 12 men in his apartment, of whom only four could be identified. Nilsen claimed that on seven occasions he actually freed the victims rather than complete the act. So by the time Barlow was killed, Nilsson was forced to stuff him under the kitchen sink, as he was rapidly running out a storage space with half a dozen bodies hidden around the apartment. He was forced to spray his rooms twice a day to be rid of the flies that hatched from the maggots feasting on the decomposing bodies. When neighbors complained about the smell, he convinced them that stemmed from structural problems in the building. I could buy that, depending on how old this apartment is. So where I work in the mill, it's an old textile mill that's been repurposed into different office spaces.

and the bathroom on the third floor of the south building, which is where I work when I'm not working from home, hopefully we'll never have to go back. It reeks in there of sewage. And it's not because people are in there shitting their pants. No. It's like they're on the weekends. Definitely went pee.

And it reeked on the weekends when nobody is there. But regardless, raw sewage is not the smell of death. But if they didn't know any better, I bet that they could believe it's nasty pipes. Would you really not know any better? better though. Would you really like... I mean, I'd know better, but what if these people were just not that smart? I mean, maybe. I just feel like death has this unmistakable spell.

And I don't know about the pipe systems in foggy London town. Maybe they're not that good. Yeah, true. I mean, people tell me that London, there's just shit all over the streets. And before somebody from London comes in and just choose me a new one. You know, I doubt it's really like that now. But I do know in the olden days, London Bridge was just covered in dead animals and in dead fish and horse shit and people shit and sewerage. Is that why it was falling down? It was laid down by corpses and shit. Maybe.

Have you ever seen the movie perfume? No, I haven't. So it's a French movie, basically about this man who makes perfume, and he finds beautiful women and makes it out of their bodies. And I love it. I want you to see it so badly. Let's see if it's on Netflix or Prime or something. We can watch it.

But there's a scene in it where they're in some sort of. a fish market and literally they're like ankle deep and dead fish and soarage and some woman basically just gives birth to a baby cuts the cord off and just throws it into the storage pile oh my god yeah well this sounds more romantic than making soap out of people's fat that has been liposuctioned and fight club they do that that's kind of how they figured out how soap was made So when people would burn bodies in the Ganges, upriver, people were like downriver washing their clothes with a lie. And they realized that the lie mixed with the fatty acids and parts from people being burned coming down the river was making some really nice soapsy suds. And that's how soap was discovered.

But we don't use fat nowadays from people. I don't know how they make industrial soap, but like fancy artisan soaps you make out of goat's milk and stuff. Yeah, even if there was animal fat in it, you look. look at the back of it and it has all these fancy terms. I will tell you, though, that when I worked over at McDonald's and Lewiston, every time they empty the grease traps, they went in this big vat and this shed that was out in the parking lot. And someone would come and pick all of that up and that was used to be rendered into

soaps and makeup products. They have a deal with your store, would they come and get it? I don't know. I was a teenager back then, but this is what management had told me. And they also would go and get stuff from, like, deer processing plants as well. well, I don't know what the deal was. You know, if it's going to be thrown away, let them use it. I'm just surprised because nowadays, usually if somebody were to come by and take, you know,

a waste product, that company would freak out and not let them use it. Just like most of these fast food places will destroy perfectly good food. So that way people dumpster diving or people who were homeless couldn't eat because if they can't have them, no one will. Yeah, Augusta wouldn't do that because when we used to dumpster dive up, there. I didn't eat the donuts just because they got too smushy and I don't really like that type of donut, but I'd eat the bagels. And they, at least up there, were nice enough knowing that someone was going to do that. They put it all in one bag or even they put the bagels in a different bag. Sometimes they

even leave it outside the dumpster. The bagels take a beating. But no, okay, so, because I'm not going to lie. I did dumpster dive when I was a teenager, but I knew the night manager at Duncan's and she would just box them up, stick them in a bag, and leave them outside the dumpster, and we would just come by and get it. Yeah, there was a girl that used to do that for us at the Augusta Panera for a long time before I got that deer from my mom for Christmas. We lived off stale cheese bagels from Panera and tons of old broccoli soup. But enough about old fast food and making soap and perfume out of human parts. Well, we said that we haven't gone on tangons lately. Here's our tangent.

Canceled. Whatever. I am done with this podcast. Off topic. So to get rid of the corpses, he would dismember them with a large kitchen knife, sometimes also boiling the skulls to remove the flesh, placing organs and flesh in plastic bags for disposal. He buried limbs in the garden and in his sheds and stuffed the torsos into suitcases until he

could burn the remains in a bonfire at the end of his garden. Okay, he had to have had some sort of private space. He had his own shed. I've never read that he had his own shed. What if it's a situation where they're kind of like townhouses where you have a little fenced in back? Maybe, but I thought I saw a picture of the building and it looked like an apartment building. I could be wrong, but maybe it was misattributed. Maybe.

I can fully admit that's a possibility, but I just thought he didn't have his own personal space. I mean, he's got some sort of space here to be doing like that. crazy if it was a shared shed. I hope so. And he just like put it underneath the floorboards in the shed. This dude's nut. Nobody cares. Oh, yeah.

This guy smells like dead bodies. Oh, whatever. They just make fun of him. You know, he's just like butchering a carcass. Oh, my God. So he crushed the bones once the fire had consumed the flesh. And the police found thousands of bone fragments in his garden during a later forensic examination. I wonder if blood really does make the grass grow.

It does. Yeah, it absolutely does. So when you go by different fertilizers and plant food, basically, a lot of it has bone meal in it. They do say, like, the best thing for you to do is slaughter your own animals and basically put what's left ground up to keep just growing your plants. Plant your garden where you kill your cows. Yes. But not the calico cow. Not the calico cow.

She's a good cow. In 1982, in an attempt to quell his homicidal obsession, Nilsen moved in a. into a top floor apartment at 23 Cranley Gardens, Muswell Hill. I hope I said that right. Also in North London. I'm assuming this is the complex you're talking about. Yes, I was about to say that. When something has a name like Cranley Gardens, it's probably a complex.

This had no garden and no floorboard. So this is what I was thinking of. He must have had some private space beforehand. And I'm assuming he was limiting himself and his resources to make himself feel like he couldn't do it without these things. Right. However, he was still unable to control his impulses. So three more victims were killed in this apartment between his arrival in February 1983. These victims were identified as John Howlett, Archibald Graham Allen, and Stephen Sinclair. These are great British names. Very British names. This presented Nelson with a greater disposal challenge. Given the apartment's lack of direct access to outdoor space, so to overcome this, Nilsson boiled the heads. feet and hands, then dissected the bodies into small pieces that could be flushed down the toilet and disposed of in plastic bags. Could you imagine doing that in here? So we're here recording in an apartment complex on the third floor without really direct access to a lawn. There are little

lawns here, but you'd be seen burning a body or trying to bury a body. Could you even imagine frigging Yergy in the kitchen, like putting shit down the garbage disposal? Boiling heads. Boiling heads. boiling heads in the tiny little nook of a kitchen well not only that i think what people fail to realize unless nobody cares and they hear screaming he would have to have gotten the drop on these people perfectly so they didn't make a sound because in here the walls are pretty thin if somebody's screaming bloody murder well a lot of these people he met at the pub so what if you know they were half cocks yeah if normally he's strangling them then sure it's fine it seems like he did that with a few of them but i don't think he strangled all of them

And my thought here, I mean, I've never seen pictures of the victims, but maybe they were smaller men. They might have been. They might have been. So, Nilsson was kind of a twinkish fellow himself. I'm not questioning that he could overpower them. It's just the fact that you are able to do this to somebody without them making a sound. And apartment complex walls are famously thin. Right.

I'm just saying that he had to do things pretty perfectly. And I don't believe he drugged any victims from what I understand. I don't think he did. There hasn't been any reports that I've seen where any drugging happened. And it seems like it was all just having a beer. Yeah, I didn't read anything like that either. There's some information left out here and there. So I think it could be possible.

But again, not a requirement for him to pull this off. There were five other tenants at Cranley Gardens. None of them actually really knew Nilsson, kind of like here I don't know my neighbors. In February 1983, one of them called a plumber to investigate a drain blockage. In the presence of the tenants, including Nilsen, the plumber discovered rotting human remains when he went down the outdoor manhole. It was decided that a full inspection would be conducted the following day after which the police would be notified.

Nilsson, aware now that the cat was out of the bag, tried to cover his tracks by removing the remains from the drains that night, but was spotted by the downstairs tenant. Allegedly, Nilsen told a colleague, and in a joking manner, mind you, if I'm not in tomorrow, I'll either be ill, dead, or in jail. Oh, God. On February 9th, Nilsson was met by Detective Chief Inspector J. I love how they have these big lengthy titles. Yeah, and then just J.

Inspector J informed him that he wished to question him about human remains that have been found in the drains. Upon entering the apartment, Jay noticed a foul stench and asked Nilsson what it was. Knowing that he had been caught, Nilsen confessed to what they were looking for was stored in bags around the apartment, which included two dismembered heads and other larger body parts. If he knew that the cat was out of the bag, or in this case, or in this case, the remains were out of the drain. Yeah, why wouldn't he move these? Even some sloppy attempt, just don't leave him in your apartment. Right, I don't understand.

I really don't understand. At this point, I don't think the cops have been called yet. No, I think he had some time. He had some time. Oh, my. That is a bean. That is Little Bean, my cat. She's trying to jump all over the mixer.

Little Bean, go away. She's a Siamese, so she's very mouthy. Oh. Death glaring me. Any way you were saying. So why not take these bags and suitcases and whatnot and go find a dumpster? There's a dumpster somewhere in North London you can throw this in or throw it in the Thames. Yeah, in the what?

In the Thames. The Thames. The River. They called the Thames. Yes, not the Thames. The Thames. Oh. Oh, I thought it was the Thames.

No. Oh, shows what I know. But yeah, yeah, even if he had tried to throw it into the river and it was discovered, I mean. I don't even know if the Thames. runs through North London. I'm just talking shit right now. I'm sure there's a bridge he could have thrown it off of. Right. Just again, I would have respected the effort, but he's just like, you know what? I'm done. And it's not like he even waited up there with a weapon. It was just like, they won't take me alive. He's just like, yep, yep, here you go.

He's probably up having a beer. I'm going to jail forever, whatever. Probably picked him up at the pub. So upon his arrest, he provided details about his killing spree, admitting to killing 15 young men against the advice of his legal counsel. He just fucking spills. He could have gotten away with this and just fucking spilled. If he wasn't just frigging lazy

about getting rid of these bags. You're so self-destructive, Mr. Nelson. Hey, no, listen, maybe he was feeling very guilty. It seemed like he had some level of guilt. He did try to stop. He was, like, remorseless when they finally, like, brought him in. Then why did he move somewhere to try to control his impulses.

I don't know. He's a complicated man. I guess he is. So he also admitted to the attempted murder of seven others, although he could only name four of them. At no point did he show any remorse. He appeared eager to assist the police with amassing evidence against him, even taking him to his old address to point out specific disposal sites. After the confession, Nilsson was held at Brickson Prison pending trial. Whilst there, he wrote over 50. notebooks of his memories to assist the prosecution. He cared not about his fate. He fired all of his

legal counsel, then rehired him and fired him once again shortly before he came to trial. His trial commenced on October 24, 1983. Nilsson was charged with six counts of murder and two charges of attempted murder. He pleaded not guilty to all charges, citing diminished responsibility due to mental defect. The prosecution relied primarily on his confession, which took over four hours to read to the jury, as well as testimony of three of his victims, Paul Knobbs, Douglas Stewart, and Carl Stodder, who managed to escape and all of whom he had attempted to strangle. Despite attempts by Nilsen's defense to undermine the testimony of these victims by introducing evidence of their sexual encounters with Nilsen, their accounts inflicted serious damage on the defense's case.

understand. Okay, so he fully admits to everything, talks about how he did it and where he put them, but yet was trying to undermine these victims. I don't really think he knows what's going on here. I think this might have been the defense's strategy, basically stating that he had diminished responsibility due to mental defect because they were trying to find some sort of foothold for the fact that he had already confessed. This is their way to try to make them seem crazy. Yeah, because he admitted against legal counsel. So now they're just trying to work with a mess, basically. Physical evidence included photographs of the murder scenes, the cutting board used to dissect

the victims, and the pot used to boil the skull's feet and hands, which is now on display at the Black Museum at Scotland Yard, which I did not know was the thing. And I want to see this. Need to see this one day. Yes. The jury retired on November 3rd, 1983, but were unable to reach a unanimous verdict. That's interesting. and I figured they would just completely sink him.

The following day, the judge agreed to accept a majority verdict, and at 4.25 p.m., they delivered a verdict of guilty on all six counts of murder. The judge sentenced Dennis Nilsson to life in prison without eligibility for parole for at least 25 years. Oh, I figured he would not have any eligibility for parole. There's softies there over across the ponds. I guess so. I mean, Kelly Ann Bates. Right. But despite this,

Nelson died in prison in 2018, which I was not aware of until doing research for this again. I didn't realize that he died recently. And not only did he die recently, there is going to be, what is it, a short mini series on him. Yes, a three-episode mini-series starring David Tennant as Dennis Nilsson, and I am stoked. I've seen pictures of him done up. It is very convincing. It does not look like David Tennant to me. Or maybe David Tennant just looks a lot like Dennis Nelson.

Maybe. But it's pretty spot on. Yeah, it's really good. So this is supposed to come out when? In September. September, okay. Keep an eye out for that. We will be keeping an eye out for that.

Yeah, we are definitely going to be watching that. I know we mentioned Kelly Ann Bates case that we hadn't done a whole lot of British cases. And we've had a few recommended to us, which I greatly appreciate and they will be done eventually. From Hannah on Instagram. Yes, Hannah. Thank you so much. You suggested Sadie Hartley. Definitely want to do that one eventually.

So I appreciate the suggestions we've been getting. And because of this, I ended up discovering David Tennant playing Dennis Nilsen now. And I was just like, why haven't we done this case yet? So it worked out very well. Absolutely. And Hannah, if we're ever across the ponds, we're going to have to go have a pint. I've been told by several people that alcohol, beer especially, is 10 times better in Europe. I don't know this personally, but it's just what I've been told.

I hear it as well. I hear the Guinness there is completely different than the Guinness here. So that's specifically one of the things that was told to me, except this was in Ireland. I knew somebody that went to Ireland and had a Guinness there, and it was a thousand times better than any Guinness they've ever had in the States. I believe it. So one kind of closing thought on this as well, Dennis Nilsson had one last victim, and it's very, very sad. I don't even know if I would call this a victim of Dennis Nilsen. In a way.

So Dennis Nilsson had a boarder collie, and her name was Bleep. And she was so cute. She's adorable. We will put pictures up. Yeah. She has black hair with like a little white paws and a little white chest and nose. He loved her very, very much. He was good to her from what I understand.

But three days after he went to prison for the murder of six men and the attempted murder of two other men, Bleep was euthanized for literally no reason. Didn't go to a shelter. I don't know what shelter laws or even what the shelter situation is in England. But they put bleep to sleep. And this is just very sad. It's not like he had mistreated her. He didn't want her.

He actually walked her a lot, fed her, took very good care of her. But because he was arrested for this, she was quickly euthanized. It's absolutely terrible. Because what did she do? Nothing at all. And why couldn't she be rehomed? at least. I mean, obviously there's the grief of losing your owner, but it just makes no sense to me. Maybe somebody can let me know what the shelter situation is like in England or the adoption

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