The Morning Stream - TMS 2055: Mermie Sanders Bemes

Episode Date: January 21, 2021

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Now, Oh, shit. Hello, everyone, and welcome to TMS, the morning stream for Thursday, January 21st, 2021. So we got us a, we got us a 121-21. It's pretty good. Oh, 120, you're right, yeah. 121-21. That's a good one.

You're not going to get that for a long time. I try to watch for these, but you never know. These are your favorite I do love them This is a good one though Right Yeah One two one

This isn't bad So welcome It's episode 200 Or excuse me Two thousand and 55 That's the year we make contact I don't know What do we do then

What do we do in 25 We uh 2055 We have a famous science fiction moment Oh there's something Yeah I know it was uh I just talked about this

Like some movie Some dumb futuristic movie Um oh my god where it takes place in 2025 and I just talked to somebody about this 2025 or 255? I'm sorry 2055 is what I meant

I know it I know it that I can't think of it Yeah Oh it's going to drive me crazy All right chat room It's your job now Yeah see what you can find It's your job

It's your George Because yeah I quit Google of 255 sci-fi movie pulls up nothing Yeah There's nothing there Except for A Sound of Thunder. Oh.

A 2005 science fiction thriller film directed by Peter Hymes. You got never heard of that. I don't know that. Yeah, I don't know what that is either. Nobody knows that one. Yeah. You know, another good meme I saw about the Bernie sitting in the chair thing? What's that?

Was someone said, J-Lo in her 50s, and then it was a picture of J-Lo. Uh-huh. You know, she's beautiful for her age. Yeah, yeah. And then it said, me and my 20s. And then there's a picture of Bernie sitting there in the chair. So I don't know what's going on. She's got some kind of magic, dark magic going on there at the Lopez home.

Yeah, I, you know, at some point she's going to have to, she signed a contract. I'm not going to say with, you know, the devil. I wasn't going to say it. But at some point she will have to pay. And I hope she will not there to watch that happen. Pay she will. Jenny from the block Jenny from the block

better be better come with your stuff you promise the devil That's right exactly Anyway welcome to the show And Scott and Brian We got a show to do it's Thursday And we got Wendy later We got a little science coming up

With Bobby Frankenberger So all that stuff's gonna be great I do want to share a couple of things So it's been a rough A couple weeks for me All right It's been a little hard around here Mom had her brain surgery

By the way she's doing great As great as you can do after, you know, surgery and you're 82 and all that. I made her laugh the other day. Oh, good. That's a good sign. But I didn't tell, I haven't talked about this on the show. I should probably say when I called her, things got a little strange because I think

she's super high on drugs because they've given her a lot of pain meds. Okay. Because they cut into her, I mean, they cut into her skull for heaven's sakes. Yeah. That hurts. It's a very invasive situation. Yeah. So she says to me, well, so I'm asking her questions like, how are you feeling?

What's going on? The nurse is taking care of all this stuff, you know. I'm only on the phone with her because I won't let us in there. And I said, so how are you doing? She goes, Pretty good, except they moved my tumor to my back.

She says. And I say, whoa, whoa, what? They moved, they did what now? She goes,

they moved my tumor to my back. And I hear John in the background go, they didn't move her tumor to her back. She's got the drain there and she thinks that means she's just, it's the drug. She's feeling like a bump back there when she lays on it. Yeah. Yeah, so she thinks she's convinced of that.

And so then the conversation goes on. I made her laugh at some joke. You know, she said she's eating and that she was feeling good and all this. And I said, and then I said, okay, well, that's great. Are the nurses taking care of you? And she says this. A guy died in my room last night. Oh, no.

I go, Mom, what? And I hear John to the back go, nobody died in the room last night. We don't know why she made this up. She's just saying, you know. So this is totally out of the nowhere, out of the blue thing that she has in her head about. It's funny, though. Oh, my gosh. Anyway.

Is there some disorientation still kind of going on? A little bit, yeah. Like, it seems, the doctors say that that stuff is a combination of her brain is now no longer having that big thing pushing against it. So it's getting back to normal. And so some of this is that, but also some of it is just she's got, she's high right now. Like she's literally just high on. drugs so that's a big part of it so anyway my mom is doing great thank you everybody for your nice comments but the week's got the week is just weird because today in fact right now as we

speak uh nick is has pulled out of the driveway in his car with his dog and is driving to minnesota so that's today oh wow it's happening right now so we had our very depressing goodbyes this morning and you know hugging him and all this and doing the stuff um but boy did i raise him right His biggest concern. Did you take clean under the way? Do you have snacks for the road? That's Kim's job. I don't have to talk about that.

I'm sure. Kim's giving him a nice casserole to eat on the way there. Probably. Now that you say it, she's probably loading him up with food. But one thing I said to him on the way out. Well, so this is how I know I raised him as the gamer nerd that he is. Easily is number one priority about how to pack it right and make sure it doesn't move around and is all perfectly set up

and the most conversation has been around how to make sure his gaming PC is safe in his trunk while he travels. Well, yeah. Yeah. So he's got his priority straight. That's good. Well done.

Boy. But anyway, he's going to Red Wing, Minnesota, for those asking, and he's got a job offer there, and he's super stoked and we're excited for him, but we're nervous and all that. I'm mostly nervous about the trip, because it's just...

Yeah, just it's a long drive. Is he... He's not driving out there with a roommate. This is just his... and the dog. It's him, the dog, and he's going to have somebody's, so he, okay, so it's a long story, but yes, he does have a roommate, but the roommate's dad is driving a truck that will carry most of the stuff and tow the roommate's car, because the roommate's car is not good for long distance travel. So that truck's going to be going separately, and Nick will be going in his car

with the dog and some items, because his car is good for travel, and that's how they've arranged this. So the nice thing about it is, I'm not driving a truck across the country. That's the nice thing. Right. Well, I guess what I meant is, is the roommate riding with him, or is it just him and the dog in the car? Him and the dog in the car, the roommate will be in the truck. truck with the roommate's dad. Yeah. Yeah. So all that stuff's happening. Like Cormack McCarthy, like a Cormac McCarthy novel here.

Yeah. Or like, what's the one where he's in the... Just Nick the dog in the road. What's the one in the desert with Johnny Depp? I hope it's not like that. Oh, right, the Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I don't want that in my life. No, no. He's going the wrong direction to be able to see, like, bats and things descending from the heavens. Yeah, you have to go to Vegas for that.

We all know that. We've been to Vegas. Yeah, we've been to Vegas. I vaguely remember something called Vegas. Is there something? Is there a place? I think of you all the time when I think of Vegas. Because I think when you set foot back into your holy city.

Yeah. It will be this moment of just glory, man. You'll be like the Pope walking into the Vatican. I know. They're going to be, listen, here's what I'm expecting. I'm going to set foot on the strip, get out to like the street area, usually right by the MGM Grand, right across the street from New York and New York, the usual place I come out, and I'm going to hear angels singing, and I'm going to have to give them each five bucks because somehow they ended up in one of my selfies. They require that or they send somebody out there. I'll hear an Elmo singing.

I'll hear a guy dressed up as Zach Gallifanicus with a baby on his chest. This is what you'll actually hear, by the way. Yeah. people flipping cards yeah I'm sure yeah that's how that how does that all change in the in the era of COVID like I don't know still handing out cards but they'll probably have masks on they'll still have that hilarious orgasm clinic spelling on their t-shirt yep where they didn't couldn't spell orgasm correctly I'm sure that that's correct and that the girls direct to your room are they wearing a face shield I don't know but it It sure takes the mood out, doesn't it? It really does, yeah, exactly. Yes, chat room. Just imagine what I look like under my hazmat suit.

I'm really hot. I'm so hot and under here. This right here, yes, I was flicking a Mad Max card. Yes, that's right. That's how I do things. What is a Mad Max card? What is that? Well, there was this cool, like, I don't even know what material it says.

It's almost like, not plastic, but some kind of, I don't know, urethane or something. But it's, it came with the original Blu-ray version of the thing. Oh, okay. It's just this cool. Oh, that's cool. So is it kind of transparent? So like if you put that a light behind it, then, yeah, that's cool.

You can't see it very well. Yeah. If you put a, actually, that's a great idea. I should do like a little mount with light behind it. All right. Brian has ideas. I have ideas. Anyway, so, okay, a couple other things.

To make things worse. So we got my mom under surgery. Nick, moving. This is what I have, by the way, scat up my, in my desk. Oh, look at you. Three easy steps. Digital go download out. You should get that.

I've already downloaded it. people you can see that code good luck you're not going to get it because i've already got it oh it's just say it's already redeemed take that it's also came with the blue ray so it's like oh i've got that that's weird that's a little weird that we both had those handy um but also it speaks to the it speaks to the grandeur that is mad max fury road anyway it does okay i'm sorry please you're fine so on top of those two other hard things brain surgery for my mom boy leaving the state uh now uh last night at about i don't know six o'clock the sinks makes this weird noise.

Kind of a weird sound. I'm like, oh, what's that about? So Kim's like, I don't know, but I'm going to snake it. I said, okay, go ahead and snake it. So she snaked it. She took a snake and went into the pipes, into the kitchen, did this whole thing, seemed to clear it. But then I heard a weirder sound, and I thought,

I'm going to go downstairs, make sure everything's okay in the drain area thing, where the water all goes from the kitchen. So I went downstairs, and sure enough, what had happened is whatever block it she hit, which was some big, greasy freaking kitchen bomb. monster clog hole butthole thing. Something that went down the drain,

got stuck, it just kind of grew. Yeah, it did. It grew. It got like oily, foody things all over it. And eventually now it's,

so I come down here and the little vent is just spewed. It's not, I won't call this major flooding or else we wouldn't be doing a show right now. But we had some minor

flooding last night. Some minor, stinky, stinky flooding. So what we probably have to do is get a plumber in here today and get that fixed because no one can use the kitchen right now and because it's the only that's the only thing we're having trouble with all other faucets

toilets sinks everything in the house no problem they all go to different outlets whatever if there are any plumbing experts in our in our world listening to the show if you want to send me some advice that'd be great but i was down there last night with a freaking wet vac sucking up freaking old cheese and mud and uh it sucked it really sucked so the boy in the middle of moving, all his stuff's here, getting staged, to get in the truck tomorrow or today, all the stuff going on, and then we get a little bit of flooding. It's going great. 2021 is great. What a year. What a year. So far, well done, 2020. Nice. Nice job. Carried over into this new year. Anyway, so there's that, Brian. I also, but I do have

one bit of good news yesterday. A light, a light among the darkness? Yes, a light among the the darkness. Van was here. He's two years old this month. He turns two years old at the end of the month on the 30th and so that's not very far it's like 10 days less than 10 days he he was over last night and that was a saving grace because he's a great kid and we love being around him and he started talking and we're trying to get him to do and have been for months trying to get him to do the nicknames we want for me and Kim so at one point she was going to be gizmo I was going to be oh yeah all the you know these stupid names here's what we settled on nana for Kim pops for me

me. Pops. Nice. That's cool, right? It's good. It's way better than like pop pop pop or, uh, yeah, or Gramps or any of that. Pops. Yeah, Pops. You're definitely a Pops. Yeah. Pops. I feel like Pops is pretty good. They tried to get Pupaw, but I'm like, forget it. I don't want it. So, so last night, I asked him to try to say it, and this is what I got. I have audio. Check this out. Can you say pops? Can you say pops? That's a full on Poo! Yeah. And of course, all I could yell was. What did I say? That's a full-on pee. That's a full-on pee. That's a full-on pee.

Because up till now, up-tale now, he was saying tops or ops or other things. He couldn't quite get it. Oh, got a, okay. But he got a pee in this one. Here it is. Paps. It's still sort of tops. But you have to see his lips.

He goes, paps. And he smiled. And it was great. So that made my day. That made my day. And then, Brian, one final thing. You're going to have to explain this to me because you're a music wizard. Sure.

Why can't I stop listening to this song? That's all I can play legally here on the show. I just can't stop. I don't know. You know what? There's a, it's from a simpler time, right? I mean, maybe that's it. I don't even like Hole very much.

Courtney Hole and her band Hole, you know? Uh-huh. it's just as much her real name as Courtney loves so might as well whatever yeah most of her songs were or most of their songs feature her going eh she does this a lot yeah well that song even at some point features her going a little bit but not nearly as bad as some of the other ones yeah so as bad as like um oh what's the uh the the beauty queen steel i can remember but anyway yeah yeah Eat my face. No, no, no. What she saying? She says, whatever. I know what you're talking about.

It's just like a lot of very brer. And it's fine and whatever. And they have their place in music history and they're great and whatever. But for whatever reason, that song still really pops. Slaps, as the kids say. The song slaps. Yeah. And holds up 98's when it came out.

Celebrity Skin is a song. And I listened to it, I don't know, 15 times yesterday. Wow. what is that about you explain to me why i'm doing that i don't know i mean i've done that where it's like oh i love this song and i just like i'll play it again a second time or maybe even a third time that's really usually it um keens everybody's changing is like that for me uh gin-soaked boy by divine comedy is one that i can i can just put on repeat for 15 minutes and be happy with it yeah um but uh there aren't a lot of songs you can do that with though like they'll you'll you'll

You'll soon wish you don't want to hear it anymore if you do too. No, exactly. And there's one of the people I get, one of the labels that I get music from for this show. Yeah. Has it set up so that if, when you're listening to the song, if it gets to the end, it'll automatically hollocks. That's what it is. It'll automatically play that song again from the beginning. So I'll be, you know, I'll put it on, but I'll be also working on some other things to get ready for this show or to get ready for freelance or whatever.

and I'll forget to turn that off. And before I know it, I've listened to the song a couple times through and I'm like singing along with them. I'm like, oh, yeah, I really like a song. Probably because I've heard it five times. Yeah, there's something to you that. But yeah, whatever, every minute I was just going, did you check with YouTube and they said,

that's as much as you can play, Scott? I assume so. I mean, who knows, I may get in trouble. It's a total of three seconds, so we'll see. Courtney Hull's lawyer will be in touch with me shortly. There was some deal that the administration change, there was an effect that it would have on music licensing and streaming rights. Oh, they tried to include it in the support.

Well, there was the thing, yeah, I mean, there was the, there was the pork, whatever they call that, pork belly, yeah, pork belly, yeah, that just didn't sound right, and it was making me hungry. but they had some of that in the in in that document but then there was also something that's been on the table for for the entirety of the administration that trump never signed or did anything about so there's basically no change to be a my it's to be a mine as cap and i haven't uh haven't done the research to find out what that non change was and if it would have benefited uh me and podcasting at all i don't think it went through they got they'll go it was going to be more stringing because the concept was I can't remember who put it forward but they were like, if you use any So it basically was a It would make it a federal crime

If you streamed a video game that happened to have a song in it That was licensed for the game But that's true of everything Like I could play Blizzard's been very open with like Hey, you can play wild music anywhere We don't care, go for it Sure So this law though

Would make it so other parties Could just be constantly litigating people for playing anything because all of it's licensed and it was bad it was a really bad thing and it didn't happen so that was that was okay yeah it was didn't know what the that would have been horrible

what the dillio was that would have been really bad for everyone like just a bunch of well it says Spartacus in the chat says it right it was a bunch of nonsense it was designed by idiots for idiots by idiots oh Amy says have they talked about the Muppets

thing and the lack of songs so um with the Muppets coming to Disney Plus, are they taking out licensed covers that the Muppets did with special guest star Loretta Swit? Yeah, so like, it makes me wonder if my favorite one ever was that time in a bottle. Yeah, time in a bottle of the Jim Crocey thing by the... Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, that's such a good one. And I don't know if that's in there. If that's

the case, that sucks. And that's kind of what happened to WKRP when it went into syndication. And I think probably why you can't watch WKRP in Cincinnati. Yeah. It's why you can't watch Northern Exposure anywhere. It's really, same thing. Oh, yeah, because it was the DJ who's playing, yeah, the DJ.

Like this is so stupid. It's so stupid. I want those people, look, I'm not saying I want creators not to get paid. I do. Yeah, but work it. Freaking work it out, man. You're Disney. Work it out so that, you know, maybe they get a reduced price for a syndicated program

that is more than 15 years old or something. you know right but also your disney you can afford to do what you need to do to shake that loose on the muppet things you can do it pay it up pay up just pay up yeah a big deal oh jeannie says even worse they're cutting the show to uh the 4 by 3 to 16 by 9 which cuts off the top and bottom of the muppet theater so that big shot you get of like all the muppets yep exactly okay but okay hold on now are they gonna because they did this with the simpsons and then they gave you the option. Are they giving us the option? Black bars. Maybe if people

complain enough, then they'll give us the option. Yeah. I'm still going to check it out. Well, I'm not... Oh, of course. I mean, it's Muppets, you know? Still annoyed. Yeah, I don't want to lose that stage. You've got all those little Muppets up there working. What about all those guys with their hands up those butts? You got to give them credit? We need that Magic Mirror technology that Tom was talking... Wait, was it Tom or Bill that was talking about the mirror at...

Oh. At one of the places, one of the Disney things. things that like adjust its size and so what we need is a TV that does that and adjust to four by three and then 16 by nine and just like scrolls this way or this way yeah it just goes that LGTV does that just in one direction but they just need to make it to go that yeah you could do that yeah yeah oh that's a cool idea that's the future awesome with epi right that's the future right there yeah yeah why isn't that the future let's make that make that the future. That's right.

Maybe we're speaking the bullshit. She's the bullshit. Oh, yeah. See, that's the trick is it, it's rollable, but you don't see it rolling. Exactly. It happens behind it. And then that way the illusion that the thing is just sort of morphing is there. That's really cool.

Exactly. Yeah. All right. It's cool. Well, we've done all we can do there. It's all we can do there. We need some, we need to be educated. That's right.

We need to broaden our knowledge. Yeah. we need to find out what's going on with this damn vaccine and I'll play this one more time while I beat some time to do it. You just, you know you want to go listen to this after the show, everybody. You know you want to put that song on repeat. You know you do. You know you do.

All right, Bobby's being added to the show now. Our resident science expert and podcaster. And it begins with this. I think science is cool. So do we. That's where we have Bobby Franks on today. He is here all the way from beautiful. South Carolina. I don't have you confused with California

anymore. It's not having. Los Angeles, South Carolina. There you go. L.A. Wish they all could be California, Franks. Welcome back, Bobby. How the heck are you? I'm doing great. I've been having kind of a rough week and a half. I've had this weird. I woke up one morning and my back, I could

not bend over. My back, my lower back was like like, I felt 20 years older because I just woke up for no reason with this intense back pain and it won't like it keeps coming and going that's no good a week and a half did you did you experience a lot of pick me up daddy recently uh no okay but I it feels like I'm experiencing a lot of it since I got the back pain though well yeah certainly more noticeable catch yeah you definitely notice when you're lifting your kids up more when the pain is there already uh starts to be very acute Well, here's the thing.

You're a young guy, but I know from experience that after about 28 or 29, this just starts happening. You just start feeling it. Thanks for the encouragement. Food doesn't taste good anymore. Yeah. After a while, you don't run anywhere. After a while, you know, not even care.

Like right now, my index finger on my right hand, my drawing hand of all things, hurts like crazy. It's just got some kind of weird inflammation in my knuckle joint. and I think I just heard it lifting some stuff while helping Nick's going to get ready to move. 10, 15 years ago, I would have gone, this can't stand. I must go to the doctor and have them do a thing. And now I'm just like, I don't care.

Whatever. It's just another pain. I'll deal with it. But anyway, so that's good news for you in the future of your scientific body. Yeah, I look forward to it. Yeah. Well, it's good to have you here. We're going to talk a little bit about catching us up on this whole virus slash vaccine business.

Yeah. What it sounded like from yesterday, and our intent is not to get super political about this, but it sounds like there wasn't much of a organized strategy happening at the top level when the transition happened and new people got there and went, oh, okay, well, we are kind of starting over here a little bit. What does that actually mean? And is that true? Because I know it's like our governor's like, hey, you're going to get it in May.

Old people are getting it now, like Kim's dad, who's 75 or whatever, just got it. And we're being told that by May, all the dirty and unwashed people will get it. Right. The generics, basically. We start with the geriatrics and we just move on to the generics. Which to me sounds like about on time for what we expected, but maybe you can help us make sense of where things are at. um well it did sort of feel that way didn't it let that they kind of were planning the the incoming biden administration was was planning for it to like they were like okay we're going to make some changes

and we're going to do better and then it felt like once they got there they were like oh man this is worse than we thought i'm just going to start over yeah yeah um well so it was bad um under the Trump administration. The rollout of everything was not great. Hold on. Oh, so I have to close my Castle Nathria Raid strategy to open my... Oh, yeah, you should do that. You should do that, yeah.

Okay, make sure you soak the blue circles and... Yeah, so it turns out that we'll need a tank swap on the administration. Once you've got 12 stacks of optimizing dread, then make sure you... We are having a tank swap. That's what happened yesterday. It kind of is a tank swap, isn't it? Yeah, a peaceful tank swap.

Every stacks of of years. Of presidential. Yeah. You don't want, you have more than eight and then they had to change that rule and then your tank

dies and the whole team wipes. Right. Right. So, yeah. So the rollout of the vaccine isn't going as well as was predicted. So the they were hoping that we were going to get

20 million doses out by the end of 2020. And all that happened was about four and a half million. So that's a lot less than what's planned. There are a lot of reasons you could call for that. There's not a great health care infrastructure for taking care of healthy people in our country in general. Like, maybe that sounds weird to you, but our health care system is built to take care of sick people. Right.

Right. It's reactive. It's not proactive, technically. Right. But that's not exactly an excuse because there are plenty of other places which do spend a lot of time and energy in creating an infrastructure that's good for for being proactive sure as you put it um so that was one of the problems we're trying to figure out how do we how do we on a national level do vaccines like those that's normally a very local level thing yeah um and uh and then on top of all that hospitals

were incredibly overwhelmed by the holiday surge in COVID cases and that's where the distribution of all this started, one of the big places was in hospitals. Yeah. I would have thought they would have gone straight to like Target and CVS and, you know, like that. Well, they're definitely cranking up to do that. That's, this next phase of rollout is meant

to be administered at your local pharmacy. In fact, my wife who works at CVS, they've been talking about it constantly. They're getting ready for all of that. That's coming. It's not here yet. But another problem is the communication from the top, right? We've been talking about CDC has been talking about their recommendations of getting it out to people 65 and older and saying, oh, it's going to come out in, in pharmacies.

And as I just said, my wife can tell you, she tells me all the time that she gets phone calls every day. When can I get the vaccine? When can I get the vaccine? Are you going to give me the vaccine? And she's like, slow down. Like, we don't even have it yet. What am I going to do? How much do I get to give you?

What I got to give you? I'll give you a kid. They need like a drinkable form. need drones dropping a fine mist of vaccine on all the population. Did you guys have this when you, a while, like, I don't know if this is a south thing for the south, but we had these trucks that would drive around at night in the summer and just spray like mosquito killer all in the air. No.

We don't have that at all. No, but we don't have the humidity that you guys have down there. Yeah, they would drive down the street and they'd just, and they're being mist of point. It sounds like our equivalent to that is all the salt we get in the roads from snow removal. So that's what we need is vaccine misters. Yeah. And then salt misters for the snow. I got this all figured out.

I do know that Biden is releasing all of the, like basically there was a lot of holding back of vaccines. I think with preparations of making sure that the second doses. Well, it wasn't the deal that they did say that they did, but then that turned out we didn't have stockpile and that was just a made-up thing or did I hear that wrong? It's all very confusing. They definitely were communicating that there were more than we had. But yes, they were also holding some back for a couple of reasons. First one, to have doses for the second dose.

But the second reason was because it was sort of a military strategy. You remember the military was in charge of strategizing how this was going to be done. It wasn't that they were like marching down the streets handing out vaccines. but they were they were in charge of the logistics of the vaccine rollout. And so it's a very military strategy to have like stuff kept in reserve just in case something happens. Yeah. So it's not a bad idea. That's part of what they were doing.

You know, I think just in case is happening right now. We're kind of living the scenario, the worst case scenario. So maybe. Well, I'm glad they didn't decide to like, you know, shoot it into our faces with like, like an M4 rifle or something like that. That would be bad. I don't think that would work is what I'm saying. I think it would not work.

Yeah, like the makeup gun. Yeah, it wouldn't work. Well, we'd need studies to find out if that would work. Yeah, we need some volunteers to take point blake bullets filled with viral toxin. All right. So just from a logistic standpoint, it is what it is and hopefully things get ramped up or whatever. But in terms of have we been able to see any kind of, like what the effectiveness has been of the first wave and or anyone with second wave already because we would have had second wave already or people who have gotten their follow-up shots I assume there are people who have gotten both doses um people in our chat room yeah there's there's plenty of people who have gotten both doses um I think in the order of millions of people have gotten both doses and then and then more of course who have gotten at least one dose um it seems to be working fine the the the the

Early on, there was a lot of talk about side effects and people having allergic reactions, and all the data about that falls in the normal range. Yeah, it's like flu shots. Well, it's a little bit more than the normal range, but it's a new vaccine, and it's still small. And expected, that's the other thing that you don't hear in the news is people are talking about, oh, there's a lot of allergic reactions. But all of the allergic reactions we're getting were ones that were predicted by experts because of the new technology that's being used.

Right, right. And it's not bad. You were asking about when, like, you were saying in Utah, they're talking about it coming in May and stuff like that. Something like May. Governor Cox, our new governor's name is Cox. Spencer Cox, he thinks, Mary, he's promising May. And right now, after he hears this, he's pushing you to June.

Yeah. He might be pushing me to June after this. But, but yeah, that is the current lay of the land as far as we understand it here. It's not, so that's not unreasonable to think. I think it's optimistic, but it's not unreasonable. It could happen. But it's going to have to come, I think, from, there's got to be some changes. It's all going to depend on how the Biden administration changes things.

And by all accounts, they plan on making a lot of big changes. But they're going to need, first of all, there need to be national standards that happen. Right now, everything is basically the Trump administration said, okay, we've got the vaccines and we're just going to send them to the states and let the states handle it the way they want to handle it. And that is, it's causing problems, especially with communication and we and like people feeling like they understand how this is happening. Yeah. Because everybody's doing it differently. Right. And we need it to be a more unified thing.

We need more resources. Well, given that it's so spread out right now, one of the problems that I keep rolling around in my head is this doesn't mean that the two-timers or even anyone who's had any level of, you know, first shot, second shot, whatever. They can't go to the mall and lick the toilet. I mean, they got to stay. Like, we don't know. We still don't have good data on whether you can spread after you've been vaccinated.

So you can still pick it up and give it to somebody else, that sort of thing. We don't have any of that data yet. really not reliable data and so let's say we get it in May let's say all the states have it by May let's say all of that's true it doesn't necessarily mean that we're all happy go lucky

about you know everything yeah there's so yeah it's very much still an active dangerous pandemic that's for sure I mean oh my gosh what is it there's about 3,000 new deaths a day in the US alone it's a lot still happening

yeah can I can I just say this. If there's anyone out there who still does this old line of the same amount of deaths as a flu every year, you don't complain about those. If you look at them as circles, like just number circles, you take your 400k and then you take these others like

30K, 10K, one year, 2015 had 22K or something. It's not even freaking close. No. Like not even close, dude. So if I hear that one more time, I'm going to kick you in the testicles even if you're a lady. All right? All right. Anyway, sorry. Continue on. You were

say no uh but even to your point even when things get fixed we have got this whole thing has got to have an impact on the way we look at these public health crises right um it has to and i think it has i'm optimistic that it has but recently the world health organization just put out a statement um talking about how and this is a little scary um they said uh that this pandemic was quote, just a warm-up. And what they mean by that is there is some data that we have. We know that the frequency of pandemics is increasing. That's just something we know.

I mean, this isn't even the first SARS pandemic. There's been some before. There's like swine flu, remember that? Yeah, yeah. Stuff like that. So this isn't, and it's happening more frequently. So we're going to get another pandemic. That is not a matter of if, but when.

And they're saying it's probably not as far away as you would hope. It's not the 100 year gap that we think we're getting now. Yeah, that many people are pretending it is. Also, the other combined with the fact that they said, if you look at the range of how bad a virus could be, this one is really far on the not so bad end of that spectrum. This virus was not that bad. Yeah.

If you're going to look at the scale, see, that's a part of hate about this. Because what this will come down to is preparation and taking it seriously and doing it on a global scale. Because that's the problem. We live on a global scale. Everybody's, you know, someone in France is a seven-hour flight away. It's not a big deal. I don't know why I'm picking on France. France, but whatever. Like, it's just not, we're so connected now. It's not just, it's not just

because, you know, somebody went to Asian and had sex with a bat. Sorry, South Park, I'm using your joke, but you know what I mean? Like, it's not simply that anymore. It's like, we're just our humans and these pathogens want in, and we got this warm little body for it. So come on in, and we're spreading it around. And it's just, you know, all that stuff's pretty good. And the way, we cannot keep pretending that we can just prevent them from happening. And, then run around with our arms flailing whenever it finally gets in, we have to be realistic. We have to know this is going to happen again. It could be worse.

It probably will be worse. And what can we learn from everything that we did wrong? I think this pandemic happened at a time when we were very ill prepared for it because of budget cuts in the CDC, low science. like a lot of science denial from high up like in the government lots of things like that and then China

something happened over there that made it so that they missed this one or didn't catch it early enough or handled it inappropriately we don't really know why what happened over there and we may never know but when a slip up happened and it started to spread we

were not prepared we used to have people over in China monitoring this stuff and and the budgets for that got cut those people aren't there anymore yeah um so we have to we have to trust our scientists and not fire our scientists who are in these federal positions yeah to help protect us from this stuff which really shouldn't be a political statement and it's not but some people will see that as one and it annoys me to no end but yeah could we you know hopefully uh we start putting uh science in the position it should be in and uh take it seriously and then when you're prepared you're just prepared

you do a better job you handle it I have seen some news anyway I have seen some surveys they do these surveys of asking people about their like their trust in science every year they do it and one of the I guess silver linings I hate to even say that because it's so bad but uh is that over the course of this pandemic with all the communication from great scientists and in science communicators like Fauci and stuff like that, the public trust in science has increased over the past year. Yeah, which is something, that is something to hang a little hope on. I'm happy to hear. For sure. It's because of Fauci. Yeah, it's all Fauci. It's all Fauci. He's up there going, you got to get into the place and get your thing done. I don't know why he's Jewish. I don't know why he's

or maybe he is Jewish. I don't know. Is he Jewish? It sounds a little bit like Bernie. Yeah, it was a little Bernieish. All right. This is all good and well. We're going to sort of keep our eye on it and do more cool science stories as the weeks go on. Bobby, it's always good to have you here. Remind people where they can get your cool podcast and more great science interactions. Uh, you could, my podcast, my weekly science podcast, we talk about news and other things in sciences all around science. You can get that. Go to all around science.com or find it on stuff next week. Let me ask, next week, are you guys, you guys are going to have Gidget on, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I won't be here next week.

Right. No science. So what I wanted to tell you is I won't be here to tell you about how we're going to be doing a really fun feature about what causes the Trump conspiracists to persist. Oh, geez. Ooh. It's going to be a feature. And maybe I'll talk a little bit about the critical thinking aspect of it on the next time I come on TMS. But it's going to be a big segment on motivated reasoning and critical thinking and stuff like. that and and so so you're saying trust in the plan that's what you're saying i got you

uh bobby frankenbergerer everybody uh thanks for being here man and stay safe we'll see you bye thank you guys bye see you i'm telling you of all your antip people he has the most podcasty voice sorry really does i really i'm a i i i just that's where my vote went yeah i rocked my vote his direction certainly isn't alex no i mean are you kidding um all right we're going to take a break before we do brian you better tell people what's going on with coverville today oh i so totally will do that coverville today 1 p.m mountain time twitch dot tv slash coverville celebrating what would have been sam cook's birthday as well as the birthday of martha davis who's the lead singer of the motels you know she almost uh was the singer of taking my breath away

for top gun oh no way that's weird yep and and if you hear the motels version of that song identical to the Berlin version because it was all Giorgio Moroder's production with just Terry Nunn's voice. So it's really not as much a Berlin song as it is a Terry Nunn and Georgio Maroder. Anyway, coverville today the music, Sam Cooke

especially if you've just seen 1-9 Miami, you're probably thinking Sam Cuck and the motels. So make sure you check that out. Very nice. All right, we're going to take a song break. When we come back, my sister Wendy will be here and boy, howdy, do we have a topic today. So stick around.

Brian, what are we playing? Yes. I threw you off there, didn't I? A little bit. This is a band called the record summer. Brett Rodysill. Rodysill is the man behind this band. They've got a brand new album

coming out called Lay It Bear. It comes out March 5th. But, of course, we want you to hear one song nice and early. This is fun, and it's going to get you in the move for the sounds of summer. Anyway, it's got that that chill top-down convertible heat vibe that's just so good. Here's the song White Dress by the record summer. I shed my eyes

Tost you aside All black and white I have to get by wink and a smile Heaven tonight Smile and decide We need to get by Eyes on the road

Nowhere to go Waiting for nothing Fingers eyes cold Rhythm and fluff Rounds we all know Keep looking forward You can explore Tending your white

Trapes Sunlight in your head There in your white dress Sunlight in your hair In your head Sunlight in your hair Come a little Come a little, come a little closer

Come a little Come a little closer Come a little Come a little closer Come a little Come a little closer I shut my eye Used you to flood

Feeling a while Need to get by Batting my eyes Give it a try Freedom tonight Natural highs On the road Still need some more

Come in the room With my fingers eyes cold Lush as it goes Grenched through your clothes Waiting for ecstasy You're getting close Wend in your white tracks Sunlight in your hair

There in your white tracks Sunlight in your hair I don't know, I don't know, could I run my straight in your arms? I don't know, I don't know, could I run my straying in your own? sending your white dress some light in your hair there in your white dress some light in your hair

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Is it just me? Or does the jungle make you really, really horny? All right, we're back, everybody. We've arrived back where we belong. Yes, where we belong. long. I was going to say something to you about a thing. What was it?

Oh, I don't know. I don't remember now. It was right when you started talking about the song, I went, oh, I'm going to ask Brian this after we're done there. And then I forgot. Record summer, white dress, coverville, Sam Cooke. Oh, none of those things. Oh, I just knocked something over and ran out of that room.

Give me one second. Okay, go make sure. This is breaking news, everyone. On breaking news, we take this moment to take a minute out of your day. Brian Ibit, apparently on the ground. It's all good. So I've got one of those, I've got those window wells, right? Where you've got the nice corrugated metal curves with a bunch of rocks and all the windows.

For Christmas, Tina's parents got me an insert that goes in there that makes it look like I'm looking out over a beach. Oh. And it comes in a huge, tall, cardboard tube, which was leaning against the, you know, right next to the wall where the window well is and the cat knocked that thing over. So what I saw hitting the ground was the cat in a gray and white blur, high tailing it out of that room. That's awesome. Cats, that's what they do. That's what they do.

That's what cats do, exactly. Well, May your cats. They'll be seeing her for another hour or two. Yeah, I was going to say, that'll be it for that cat for a while. All right. We are going to add Wendy to the procedure. meetings. Make sure she's there. I don't see her logged in, but that doesn't mean anything. And we got an interesting topic, I believe. And I, you know, some people are going to think it's,

I don't know what they're going to think. Well, I'm not going to tell you what to think. You're going to think what you're going to think. You think how you want to think. I'll think how I want to think. Brian, you think how you want to think. Sometimes we'll think alike. Sometimes we won't. Sometimes. Sometimes we do. Sometimes we don't. And on those, those occasions where we don't think the same. We can find common ground anyway and still walk away friends. Right. I'm setting this up to be worse than it is. It's not really, it's not

bad. I know, but you're doing it. It's a very good stall tactic while you get Wendy on the you know exactly what I'm doing. I'm going to ring her again. Actually, I'm going to pause this. You were showing his offline on Discord and I thought, oh, hopefully something hadn't happened, but it looks like everybody was fun. He was like re-putin or something.

I don't know what's going on. Sorry. Sometimes when it updates, it gets, things get weird. Things get real funky. But don't worry, everybody. Guess who's here? It's my sister Wendy with an eye. She is a therapist and person who comes on here every week and helps people with real problems.

And we sometimes talk about bigger issues around society and mental health and other things. And she does all this of her own free will and accord, which is always very nice. Wendy, welcome back to the show. How the heck are you? I'm good. Yeah? Yesterday was a good day. Yesterday was a good day.

It felt like a pretty good day. Today's a stressful day because Nick's on the road, head in your direction. Oh, good. Nervous because, you know, it's a big, big distance. I don't know if you've seen Fargo, but he has to stop in Sioux Falls as part of his plan. And there was a big thing in that show that happened in Sioux Falls. I'm a little nervous about that, even though that was all fake. But anyway, no, he's on his way and it'll be great.

And I don't know. I find some comfort in this idea that you guys are only about an hour away, even though I don't know, how often anyone will see each other, especially continuing in COVID times. But, you know, this is nice to know, just that you're over there. And, uh, yeah, I'd be happy to jog over and help him out if he needs anything. Yeah. He's, uh, he's pretty, he's like dad. He's stubborn and independent and probably will need no help at all, but it's nice to know if something breaks. I have a sister somewhere in neighborhood. Yeah. Well, and if he needs, you know, Easter dinner, we're here. Yeah. Exactly. Because you never know. I was like, what's the next holiday?

That's weird. You have a St. Patrick's State Dinner Plan? Yeah. He can't live on top. Flag day. We will be ready. Oh, are you doing for the aides of March. Well, anyway, it's good to have you here. So we thought we would tackle something today that's a little bit different, but also pretty timely, I think. And that is the way I put it in the notes here, which Wendy can't see, but I put it in here, Brian's read it, I guess. I love it. Yes. I didn't think of any other way to put it

but I basically wrote this question when the comet doesn't or sorry when the comet does not swing by to pick you up on its way to heaven and by that I of course repeat that say that one more time say when the comet doesn't pick you up on its way

to heaven so if you guys know about the Heaven's Gate thing in the 90s or a much well a less voluntary one like the Jim Jones thing and Ghana or Guyana, wherever it was. There is this thing with the heavens gay people where their whole thing was to get to this level of heaven they all wanted to go to and achieve a greater sense of enlightenment and get closer to God and all this.

They had it in their heads for decades. I watched this documentary recently, so it's fresh in my mind. But they had it in their head for decades that they would all die together at the same time, right as the Hail Bob comet was swinging by. And then they would basically just hitch a ride if they timed their deaths just right to hop on that thing and go to heaven. Now, in those people's case, nobody can really say what ended up to their quote unquote spirits because that's how death works. We don't know how it worked. But generally there's this feeling of like, oh, yeah, you killed yourselves for nothing. Well done.

You're a cult and you got weird and you believed it until the end. And there was a couple of guys in that documentary who were supposed to be there but missed it. and they were expressing all this regret. It's like, oh, my one chance to get on the comment and make it there. Now I don't have a means to do the thing. So they continued to go down that road. And it feels appropriate today. And by the way, I am not, this is not us going,

hey, Trump supporters, we're talking about you. That's not what we're saying. I'm talking about Q&N and all those dingleberries. and I have no problem calling you dingleberries. Y'all are got it wrong and it's weird and I don't mind ridiculing it. However, I want to talk about this idea of you got a lot of people in a boat right now where they were all sold a bill of goods for a long time, a great big, multi-threaded online and offline conspiracy that a lot of people really bought into.

Like, I know people personally who bought into this so hard, they quit their jobs to do it full time. they were sure that quote unquote the plan was all coming together and yesterday was a major point of that plan which was supposed to feature trump and a bunch of army generals swooping in out of nowhere and arresting everybody Biden included and finally dropping the hammer and going into martial law uh this this even included that person i was talking about emailing me and saying hey make sure you got plenty of water and a bug out bag and all your plans because martial law is happening tomorrow I didn't talk about this on the show because, again, I don't want to air this kind of weirdness.

Of course, yeah. Anyway, they were so sure of it to the degree that people then saw the moment that it was supposed to happen. It didn't happen. The world went on normally. And then they all took to social media literally crying and gnashing and freaking out about why this didn't happen and why has God forsaken us and just completely losing it. Wendy, I guess what I'm saying is I'm worried about those. people and I'm not I don't just mean I'm worried they're going to set stuff on fire and kill anybody because maybe that's true too but I'm mostly just feel like what do you do for people

who now have been who've been strung out on what essentially was just a bunch of hooey and now we're left hanging there you don't it feels like we ought to be helping them somehow but I don't know how to how to do that so there's a lot to unpack here you tell me what direction you want to take it, but that's the premise. So I asked a few people about their thoughts on this, and I asked people who felt a great sense of relief yesterday when Biden was inaugurated, and I mean, a few of us were just like in awe and giggling about the first press conference that was just so normal. It was boring.

It was so great. It was so boring. loved it. It was great. It was amazing. She was awesome. She had answers for everything that didn't sound like she was pulling it out of her butt. I mean, she was great. Yeah. But also, even if she did, even if she did, what I appreciated about it is it was boring. And it was boring. Like, I want boring stuff to get it. That's all. Just boring. And yeah, you're going to, you're going to ease into the questions. And there was a couple good, you know, real questions.

And but, but of course, it's not like the hard hitting. I loved her. We've only been Here's seven hours. I will get back to you on that question. Just like adults running the show feels and feeling back to some of that normalcy, right, that all of us crave generally because life has not been normal for a while. So, okay. So that, right? So I'm talking to those people and I'm saying, okay, what do you think? How do you feel about these folks that this was all supposed to happen? They have been talking about it for all this while. They've planned their lives around these events, they're really into it, and it's not real. And it's interesting because I think there's a couple factions here. And I want to address sort of the one about grief and

stuff, because you take the folks who have really, really had terrible experiences these last four years directly at them, right? So everyone's having their family squabbles and losing friends left and right on social media and all that stuff, right? Okay, so that's, and there's pain there. I'm not discounting that. But there's also people who have literally been detained or harmed or their visas revoked or they're not able to travel to the country to see their

family because their country is considered this or that, right? Like there's, I mean, the list goes on. Those children in cages on the southern border, right? Like there are people who have really, really, really, really, really suffered. So there's trauma, there is loss. There's been a lot of fear. There's a reason people are finally feeling relief and having

you know, it just was really terrifying for a lot of folks. There's gradation of that, right? So what do you do with all of that when someone who bought into all the Q&N stuff is like, oh, I'm sad, right? It's really hard to just jump to compassion when you still have your stuff to maybe process through. So that's my advice to anyone who's going, screw them. that you know I get that I do but maybe stop and take a look at like where is my actual pain

and and some of these folks do they really need more pain or they would not have maybe been in this place um or something right like can you dig into your own garbage first before you whatever okay now that said that's hard to do I get we talk about that a lot on here like take care of your your own Schmidt and then and then move you know then move out but keep yeah yeah your stuff mattered. You got to get your own crap worked out. Yeah. And also just like now that you feel this relief, maybe it's time, because you couldn't do this before. That's really hard when every minute that every new news day, you're just like, what is happening? Like I can't count on any of the things I used to be able to count on.

So that is really difficult. Right. And humans don't do very well with all of that. So managing your feelings, like processing them, letting them, maybe you find a person to do this with and you're just like not letting that anger hang on and whatever now i'm not talking about accountability i mean there is a there's a whole lovely contingency of folks saying you you say you want unity let's just forgive and forget and move on and unity unity and you know using gleating hearts against themselves is is kind of the tactic there right um but accountability is accountability, and the law requires what the law requires. But you're a personal feeling and your personal experience, right?

Like, you get to do something with that. Okay. So that said, I'm asking these folks, you know, what do you think? And I think the one I want to jump off with was one that a friend of mine said that was just really helpful and thoughtful, which is, what if we normalized change in your mind? Yeah. Like, it just became, and again, I think about.

people as children, people as children, that, you know, you make a mistake. How were you punished for mistakes? Like, how was you being wrong handled? And there's a great definition for shame. If anyone wants to write this down, it's not my new favorite thing to say because I think it's really powerful.

And that is all of us feel like we're, you know, maybe we think we're good people or, you know, but we all have a deep, dark side to us or a corner that's pretty dusty, and dirty in there that we think is bad or, you know, we're embarrassed by or ashamed by. And so shame is that your badness has been witnessed, right? Yeah. And so if someone is witnessing your badness or your fault or your mistake, that's incredibly

shaming and that's a difficult emotion. And I'll tell you, if adults or not adults, if humans do one thing, it's this, anything to not feel shame. Yeah, they don't like that. I just had an experience last night with Van that is so funny to bring this up. He's only two. All right. So we're now at that stage of don't touch that.

Be nice to the cat. You're at that stage where these are the lessons you're learning. And he gets kind of rough with the dog sometimes. So he'll be over with the dog and he'll pet it softly at first but then kind of start whacking him in the head. And so Kim or Taylor or somebody go, Van, no, no, be soft. soft and he gets this look on his face of shame. And then you're like, oh, now come here.

It's okay. It's not a problem. He doesn't cry or anything, but it's like, you know, it's okay. It's had to be soft. And then we'll show him how or whatever. So we've got this like baseline how to treat animals thing going on teaching training that's going on. But even in that case, I can see the thing you're talking about. And even at his young age, shame is excruciating. It hurts. It's painful. And I feel like it's more excruciating for kids than it is for adults. I think we grow out of worrying about, I mean, we still don't want to have, want to feel shamed, but, uh, we do start to care less, right? A little bit. You're dead wrong.

Is it? Because I would, look, let me tell you what I think Brian and I do. Brian and I would fart in an elevator and go, eh, all right, whatever. If I did that when I was in my 20s, I'd be pretty shamed by fart. Okay. No, no, I see you're saying. Snowbird in, uh, Snowbird, 2013. I remember that. No. No, listen, I don't think you're dead wrong. I don't think you're dead rock i'm just kidding i but you're what we do do this is it's just there aren't any uh walls built up yet so so van just has to feel it so we watch it but an adult has figured out lots of strategies to hide it we still feel it but we're like like oh my god i'm so ashamed of that but i'll outwardly i

don't care right right and or like i'm going to go drink the rest of the night away right like there's escapes from that kind of chain sure so that's what i think that's what it's on display. And again, when you sent this to me, Scott, I'm thinking, I don't, I don't know those people. I don't know anyone who is having this, they're feeling that way individually. Like, I don't know, I haven't talked to anyone in that circumstance. And so, of course, that doesn't mean that's not a lot of people. I just don't know the sense of that. Because what's very common is the doubling down and the switching up the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, reasonings or whatever to keep going.

I only know one. Like I know one person like this. And so what that tells me that you don't know any personally, I only know one person personally. And it's kind of two people removed anyway that I know them. What that tells me is it there's a whole other conversation to have about what we perceive as a lot of people versus not that many people and how loud they are amplified online versus how they wouldn't be if they didn't have amplification.

If we've learned anything over the last few weeks, it's that if somebody gets a certain person gets banned on Twitter, suddenly things get real quiet around that person. So, so I don't know, I feel like there's lessons to be learned there. And we don't have to talk about that today. But, um, but, um, but yeah, I, I'm glad you brought that up because it doesn't, it isn't, it isn't the, um, the scourge. But there are more people with COVID than there are people with QAnon ideas is what I'm saying. For sure. Yeah. Now, I do know a Q&ON conspired well. Um, I don't know anyone who feels shame about it. That's what I don't. know or at least public shame it's more like well now i'm going to double down with another

theory and i'm going to i'm waiting with baited breath to hear what cue has to say about the next thing right like that that's that whole needing to be part of something important that whole special privileges i mean when when trump said everybody was special he you know he's an idiot in many ways but man is he's very good at this which is that's exactly the thing that they get from it, somebody will get from following the theory, the conspiracy theories, and going down whatever dark rabbit holes they need to, they're getting special privilege, special information, special attention. Now, go back to a little kid who needs, that's what every little kid needs. They need to feel special, important, safe, loved, right? And so all of us have

our own jinky version of this, right? But there's a particular version that it's, it's, it gets, it sort of, what is the word, like, it's exposed with things that are more cultish, right? So when we have a lot of history of cults around the world in America, various sort of groups that do certain things, and there's, there's principles, it's outlined, it's very obvious, you do it in a particular way. And it's because it meets these human needs in ways that are just like nothing else can. Does giving them structure, does that give the legitimacy for people when they see a structured sort of thing? Like, how do I mean this?

Like, I was watching that Vow thing on HBO, which is really worth watching and also horrifying. But it was about that group in New York that was like a self-help group, but they had this little sex trafficking thing in it. The girl from Smallville is involved. Anyway, it's a long, long, ugly story. But what struck me about that was I understood why people were attracted to it. Because there was structure to it. And there was what seemed to be easy answers to very existential problems, even if they were difficult in practice, it looked on paper like, oh, of course. And then that's what would get people in and seem like the legitimacy was rendered by this idea that there was structure and meaning and others.

And especially powerful others. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and just take your basic, like, am I doing this parenting thing right? And then you go to the park and you watch somebody handle their kid in a way that you're like, ooh, I should adopt that. That seems like the right way. Or conversely, they do something wrong and you're like, no, you know what to reject and what to adopt because you are constantly scanning to see if you're doing okay.

And eventually you grow in confidence about what you're doing and blah, blah, blah, or you take a class or whatever. So that's like a really innocuous version of this. But the, I'm not feeling successful. I'm not okay. I need to be okay. And I'm accepted maybe for the first time or I feel, you know, that stuff is like crack. And so to feel like you're part of things.

Okay, so that's maybe more of an extreme. Like someone's really suffering in life and then they get, they get what they need out of belonging to a movement, right? And then you can take just like your average person who in this case is just like, I hate, I hate Democrats, they're idiots, and, you know, probably it's a cool. Sure. Yeah. And then you are spoon fed for four straight years because of the media you consume that

they're like a scourge and they're the worst and they're everywhere and they're out to get you. If any of us listen to that over and over and there are Democrats listening to that about Republicans, right? So you hear it constantly and the power structure is in the hands. That's the irony, right? It was in the hands of the Republicans. But then you've got to make bad sections. So you narrow it down until you have one supreme leader. We have a history in our world of many times this occurring.

This is like history. I got a T-shirt for Christmas from the onion that says history size and repeats itself. And it is true. It's the formula for this type of thing. And the way it works, the core thing for any type of. of, you know, save your figure is that you've got to basically flood information into the system and then nobody knows what's true or not. Like, this is age old. Right. And yet we have a version of it now that is crazy hyper because it's the internet, right? But it's no different. It's no

different. Why do you think we had departments of, it's not called brainwashing? What is it called? Propaganda. Every country does it. This is like we know how humans work. So anyway, so now you imagine this is happening. You're just kind of a normal person, but you're getting more and more ticked off. And, you know, you didn't get your driver's license fast enough. And so you got to blame somebody, right? So you start to just find, here's a great example of this sweet grandma, it's one of my clients' grandmothers that lives in Portland. And it's just like, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on in the city that scared her to death. And she just only ingested that Antifa is the, the devil and coming together and blah, blah, blah.

Well, she has a little house fire that they catch and, you know, but it burns her kitchen. And she is convinced, convinced that it's Antifa trying to get her. Oh, see, I said that yesterday about my plumbing and, boy, howdy, was I wrong? Like that. So this is the other thing. What do you do about maybe this is a whole different topic, but coincidence is a problem. Yeah. Right.

Yes. Coincidence is not evidence. But when you, I mean, but it will feel like evidence. And that's what this comes maybe down to is it feels real. It feels true. Someone is saying a thing that you already believe. Now they're just extending it, extending it. And like you're saying, it sort of answers all your existential dread questions.

Right? And it makes you feel like a winner. And it, I mean, it checks so many boxes for so many things. And for us to then just be like, your idiots is so unfair because everyone could be in that same boat if tides were different or the rolls were reversed or whatever. Right. And so to be, that's where to me the compassion is easy to find is that to really be honest of like, I don't think I'd be so dumb. But also, if I just only ingested chocolate, I'm going to think there's nothing else in the world with chocolate. Right? So there's some of that. So, okay, let's take the people, though, the guy you're talking about, I'm assuming. It's a guy who's thinking I was deceived. I feel stupid. I'm, and kind of getting back to this idea that my friend said, like, we all make mistakes. Right.

And yet we do not have it built in our systems that that is normal. We act as if it, you know, and that's because of that shame piece, right? We're trying to avoid shame so much. That's my kids lie. Whenever my kids lie, I'm always like, all right, so you're lying because you don't want to get in trouble. And they're like, yes. So let's talk. about the feeling that that feeling of getting in trouble feels like.

You really just want to stop the feeling. You want to stop the feeling. And it's true. Yeah. Yeah. And so how do you help somebody like that or connect with somebody like that? I mean, I mean, we can talk about deprogramming from a cults, people being rescued from Colts. They have to go through. Let me ask you this. Let me give you this one one thing somebody sent me. It was just, it was a joke, but it really illustrated it to me. And it made, it also made me wonder how

the heck you ever get around this. So the joke is two hardcore QAnon people die and they go to heaven. They get to the pearly gates and this is kind of your moment of like the sorting hat is right there. They're going to tell you where you're going. They get up there and they go, God's there waiting for him. And these two guys get there and he says, all right, well before we get you guys situated, do you have any big questions before we get going here? And one guy says, yeah, I'd really like to know who who was behind the fraud of the 2020 election who you know what happened there

and God goes well here's the problem my son there was no fraud it was a legal election and the final tally was this it gives like the electoral numbers and everything and he says so yeah the the current president of the United States was lawfully put there by the people of America and through that process I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that and then the guy just sort of looks

blankly for a second and then turns to the other guy and says this goes up higher than we thought so my point with that and why that stuck out to me is probably obvious but that what is the ceiling I don't know

what is the ceiling if you're truly truly really out there and you're sure that everything is just a sign that it's still going on and everything you'll never you could be handed all the ballots yourself and count them yourself and still feel like, nope, somebody snuck some fake ones in here and I'll find them.

Yeah, or if, you know, if you think that a former reality TV star is going to be the one guy to stop people from eating babies, like the baby eating one really throws me because I'm just like, all right, well, you got any evidence for that? The pizza shop basement pedophile ring. Yeah, all that stuff. Like any of those things, they all kind of run together now. But when you get that deep into it, And the person I'm talking about who's so into it right now that there doesn't seem like

there's any turning back. She sounds like this person at the pearly gates. And I don't know what you do in that case. Well, okay, because here's what we tend to do. And this is how our brains react, right? So we tend to try to give evidence, right? Yeah. So right now on my computer, I am looking at the timeline for how many times Trump has said an election was stolen.

I mean, he showed us his cards for years. Oh, yeah. Like, this has been in the works for years. Now, does he really believe all these elections are stolen? He claimed it on his first day in office, he said that he... Yeah, I mean, November 2012 is the first time it was publicly that voting machines were being switched. I mean, this is just his operating, like, the story. Even when he won, he'll still allude to, right?

Of course, because he didn't get the popular vote, right? So he can't, because his psychologist, we won't even touch um but that was coming it's like the most obvious thing people have been talking about that well like isn't this the perfect it's just it's like such a setup and yet it's confirming instead of evidence right so when you go to someone you go okay look at this they're going to say yeah because he's known all along so there's no way any piece of evidence you can't convince somebody of something else because here's what actually happens it you create this scenario for doubling down because guess what you're doing you're pointing out you're

attempting to prove them wrong so what are going back to our original shame so when your little sweet grandson is punching the dog and you guys are like we'll be soft he sees his badness witnessed that's what just happened you guys saw it yeah he didn't even know it was bad yeah but he can feel it in your voices so he now we've got shame so you take any adult who is not following basic reality checks or can read something and shift their brain around. None of that is happening. And you come along and go, here is some evidence. What you're doing is saying, please double down and believe even more. So it's very difficult, very difficult to get someone who is already in this place to change their mind about everything. So not that this is possible,

but man, if we really have room culturally speaking for someone not, I mean, think about what we've done politically. We went from presidents have to be perfect and can say nothing or we'll crucify them to a president who could say whatever the heck he wanted. And it didn't matter. And we all lost control of ourselves. Right? Maybe there's a middle. Yeah. Maybe there's a nuanced middle. I made a mistake. Yeah. And none of these like false apology bullcrap, but just like a real honest way that there is a way to do something wrong and remedy it. And that was built in for the structure. Now I know I'm asking for a miracle there, but that's what's tough is that we don't have any room for that change. So the more we try, now again, why am I trying to convince someone like

that? And that's maybe a good question to ask. Why do I need to convince that person that they're wrong about all of this? And so I have this experience with a particular person I know in public, I mean in person, who is a total Q&ON housewife. And if you have seen, death to 2020 she is the housewife in that movie I swear to you I She was modeled after that See I didn't see that

Reviews on it weren't so good Yeah reviews weren't great But I think part of that is just people Were like I don't want to think about 20 Yeah exactly It is a little hard to watch Yeah It is a little hard to watch

But if you could just skip to the housewife Oh my gosh anyway So this is the person I'm talking to And I know this stuff psychologically I know I will make her double down if I ask her to defend herself or if I, because what I'm doing is I'm pushing on her shame. I know this, but man, I'm in the middle of this conversation like, no, you can't think these things.

And then I had to really stop and ask myself, why do I need her so badly not to think these things? And it's because it's scary. I was scared. I was scared talking to someone who homeschools her four children about how she views the world. And I thought, oh, no, you can't be their teacher. Like, I need to rescue somebody. Like, it really hit all the right buttons for me that someone needs help and I can't help them. So that's my stuff, right? So we have this discussion. And then by the end, I realize how unfair this is.

First of all, she does not have a degree in anything. She's never written a paper and had to support it with evidence before. I'm expecting her to be at a level. She's not. And I'm the first person to confront her ever about these things. And I love this talk. Like this is fun for my job is to talk to people about hard stuff. It was so outweighed, was so unfair. So I stopped and I took a deep breath because I needed a deep breath. And I said, I am so sorry.

Yeah. I'm so used to hard conversations. And I love politics and I love to debate stuff. And I am coming in here like not, this is not cool of me. So I really did genuinely Impolged and she'd calm down and I just said, you know, I don't even know how we

ended it. Obviously it was not, let's talk about it again. It was more like, let's just walk away and see if we can recover, right? But that's the most obvious example I have of me recognizing my own stuff in that moment and knowing the psychology of how I'm only making this worse,

it took a while for it to get through my brain because I have a lot of fear like I had a lot of concern and you know when that's your experience what do you do with it well if you're not aware of it you're really going to make the situation worse yeah so it really is love it's compassion it's openness that they're going to change it's not needing them to acknowledge facts that's what's so hard right because isn't that what we were desperate for them to do is acknowledge some reality or facts yeah i mean i've learned you know and through parenting that you it doesn't matter. We talked a bit about this last week. Like, you know, the lessons you get to learn.

You got to let your kids also have the chance to do the same thing. But you do learn over time that even though you've got the facts like your, but your homework is sitting right there. You said it was over there. You know, whatever simple thing it is. It doesn't matter. They're looking at it on the table. They see it there. They know what you're saying is true. And still they're going to resist it. So it's just that, right? It's just that writ large. And, and, and, and it's really hard for people to back down. I know it's hard for me when I'll have some online argument with somebody. And in the end, I'll look at their stuff and go, you know what?

They're kind of right. I overreacted. Or I did this or I did that. And some of the hardest things I've ever done has gone back to those people in a reply and said, you know what? You were totally right. I apologize. I shouldn't have said that the way I said it.

And it's hard to do it. But then once you do it, it's like you don't have to hold your bladder anymore. you're like ah just let it rip you just feel better so there's something to that too and if you if your kindness and your willingness to listen and um you know not create a fact demanding meeting with somebody and instead just to sort of you know i care about you no matter what you're doing sort of meeting maybe that's enough for them to soften up to come to the table and and do the hard thing which is to say yeah i've got a little carried away or yeah i don't really believe this or Like, there's, there, there are opportunities there.

They're just so hard to see in the thick of it, you know, because you're just like, my way or the highway. Oh, really? Because I like my way. I hate the highway, you know. Well, and everybody is so, because again, the shame has to be protected at all costs. So everyone's doing it. It's not just the person who is wrong.

It's the person also who is, you know, ostensibly right is also protecting against shame. It's getting validation, vindication. whatever it might be, right? So our rising emotion is just information. Why are we so worked up about this? And so it's just like stopping and asking yourself that question, 90% of the time it's fear, by the way. Like that's the most common.

Or it's pushing on a button of something that's very old, which is you are never allowed to be right. And so it's so important for you to be right. I always think, too, of just like some, folks who this really appeals to any kind of strong father figure leaderhead, right? Like leader figurehead is what I meant. Leaderhead. Leaderhead.

It's not off. I played guitar for them in late 80s. They were fantastic for a while. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, like that appeal, you've got to sort of get curious about why. Why is that a need you have? And again, you can't psychoanalyze the person you're having to chat with. all the time, right? But if you can do it with yourself, at least, you might find that,

you know, you're a little more introspective, a little more fair-minded as you have some of these interactions. And like, let people back in. I know that's hard. I know that's hard because, again, that's not what they would do for you. They were not going to let you in. And so justice feels really like it's, it is a tasty, low-hanging fruit. But it's, It really is this, like, some self-analysis. And to recognize we're not that different in this core thing, we don't know how to manage being wrong or being shamed or being, well, we're not okay, or that our ideas are stupid or, you know, whatever they may be.

And so, for example, you see, like my shirt that says history size and repeats itself, everyone has their own interpretation of what that means. So it is, it spans the political spectrum. Right? Oh, yeah. Because they're like, I understand, because it's neutral enough, right? But you find someone wearing a T-shirt or, you know, posting something that resonates with your brain. And you go, yes, I am now more right.

I am seen. I am valued. And so when Trump spoke to a particular type of people, he saw them, though he would never, ever really see them. And they felt heard and seen by someone powerful. maybe for the first time ever I mean that's intoxicating and it would be for anybody so you know

it's I guess it's just me repeating myself do your work do your own work that is what it is and I don't mind that we reinforce that quite often here because that's the key that's the key to all of it and the more you do that

the more that permeates and the more your kids do it and the more others around you emulate it And before you know it, everybody's being more self-inspective. And you're not being giant weaners at the end of the day. Hopefully, we could use a few less giant weanors, is what I'm saying. Is that your T-shirt? We need a few less.

Yes. 2021. And you know what? Less giant weaners. That's right. And it crosses the aisle completely. No political bent. It's just less giant we're not red, not blue.

There you go. Well, all right. This is good stuff. I hope people get something out of it. It felt like a good week to do. it given everything that's going on but uh i mean it's made me think even just now a little bit more about how i want to talk to a particular person when i talk to them again like i just i need to look at it yeah i need to look at it from this less of a perspective of this is a cornered cat

now's the time to make the corner even smaller and make sure she you know she really scratches somebody's eyes out like not to carry too far with the metaphor but that is kind of what happens you know, they don't, they're not, just making them more defensive isn't going to make anything better. Right. Right. And if this person's like quit their job and like altered their life to follow someone to death, right?

Like, what is rebuilding a life look like if everyone just wants to remind you you're stupid or bad? This person, I happen to know, I would never use names because I don't want to do that, but I know this person got, like, it went as far as got to Washington and was going to take part in the uh in the riots but got there a little late in that morning and there were too many people so they gave up sorry riots full right's full go do uh go back to your hotel outside should have told you so what i see that is a serious bullet dodged and a chance for you know whatever but they don't see it that way not yet so i don't know i don't know it's all very weird but uh the

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It is funny that like her on lots of meds and not orienting to she's on the phone. She said some hilarious things. I know. The guy that died in a room thing. I also got that when I called her. Yeah. So did someone really die in her room? No.

So I asked John to try to confirm. all this and you know he i don't know that he fully knows much but he he seemed to he was basically like nobody knows where she got this from she thinks somebody died in the room and she doesn't nobody knows why um and then the thing with the tumor on her back that's just because she feels that drain back there and yeah but i mean you're you're stoned and you're out you don't know what's up and so of course you're like here to get a tumor removed so it must be that thing on my back that hurts and yeah i kind of hated the call until i hated the call until i got her to laugh and then that somehow told me oh she's all right she's okay because she laughs at my dumb

jokes and has my entire life so so that's a that's a good sign but then she told me i'm coming home tomorrow and i went no you're not mom oh well and i told a really funny joke and she didn't laugh so i did not have the same good call you want to test it on us what was your joke yeah i'll tell you okay so she goes she's randomly talking about things and then she says i lost 20 pounds and i go wow that was one big tumor and you like She, like, dead silence. And then I hear John, like, John's trying to laugh, like, I was like, I don't think this is a good time to talk because that was funny.

That is really funny. I would have laughed at that. I did laugh at that. Anyway, I don't know what she was talking about. Hopefully, we'll get the drugs regulated a little better and we'll have less mom getting her wisdom teeth out conversations. Indeed. Well, until then, until next time we speak, have a fantastic week.

And keep an eye on Nick from an hour away. I will see you. I will. Bye now. Bye. All right. That was a good session, I think. I like that. Yeah.

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Now, that is interesting because I've heard many multiple people tell me how that that movie is really good and compared to Wonder Woman really, really good. So that's interesting. Really? Okay. All right. All right. We'll see. Your mileage may vary. Anyway, this is Adona with their cover of Pat Benatar's.

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