The Morning Stream - TMS 2062: Spiritual Nuggets

Episode Date: February 4, 2021

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If you want to see your name and lights, all you have to do is type it. Because when you type something. something at the computer, what you're doing in effect is turning on a lot of little points of light on the screen. Each of these points of light is called a picture element, or pixel for short. Now why would anyone send an angry message to you? This is the morning stream. Game over, man! Game over! Good morning, everyone. Welcome to TMS. It is February 4th, 2021 with Scott and Brian. And Brian, I have a question for you right off the top of the show. You're ready for this?

Right off the bat. Okay. When was the first time you heard that picture elements is the long form of pixels? I imagine I've heard that before, but I've completely forgotten about it until now. I was like, oh, really pixel? element. I work with pixels every day and have for 20 something years in a professional manner and I learned it like two days ago. I had no idea that pixels was short. Yeah. And I put up that tweet. People are referencing the tweet where I said, hey, I asked the same question basically of Twitter. Like when's the first time you heard of it? Vast majority of people, 99% of them, I would say, said right now. This is the first time I've heard it. Yeah, I know. I imagine, you know, know, oh, something in my eye, I think an eyelash or something.

That's no good. Or a piece of glue. Whoa. Yeah, no, like if I ever learned that, I'd forgotten about it until now. So does that make Mr. Mixis Piddlich? Is he like, is that short for Mr. Pitzel, picture elemental Zilzik? Oh, my gosh. Hadn't thought of that.

Now you're making me question everything. That's not what I came here for. It's all, it's all so very. It's very confusing. So look at this. Oh, by the way, I should give credit. The people that did come back, it was very interesting. The people that came back with knowing it and saying, I learned that in 1980, whatever,

were all old, old, I shouldn't say old old old. Older computer nerds, tax engineers or whatever that were like schooled in the late 70s, early 80s. Like, those people from, like, those days. Sure, like, people use VAC systems and stuff. Yeah, they all knew about the pixel thing because they all had it hammered into their head. These are called picture elements because that's really when that started happening. And it makes sense that they would. And then there's this long swath where no one said anything, including all my time.

Like, I spent a lot of time talking about pixels in every other context except what the word meant. I just always thought it was the word and that's all there was to it. Like they just, when they said, this little unit of space will be called a pixel from here, forth, and forever more. Yeah. And then the other ones that seem to know it are people who are like in college now because for some reason they're teaching it again or they're hearing it again in class or whatever. Or it's fresh, I guess, because maybe you and I did hear it and we forgot. I don't know. But anyway, I just wanted to point that out.

What a weird thing. That's really cool. Picture elements. Yeah. So Patrick's stupid podcast. podcast name for his video game show is actually picture elements. Picture elements, right? Yes, exactly.

With Patrick Bejaa, which probably means something else, even, and we don't know it. Anyway, welcome to this show. Oh, my God, my eye is driving me nuts. So you got some kind of big object in there. You got any kind of... No, it's a little object. I mean, it's an object that's bothering the hell out of me. Like, it's definitely...

I know why. Because you've got a contact on top of it. You got some big old hair in there. and it's like the corner of it is stuck under the contact lens and so it's just going yeah do you need a sec to go like hose it out or anything or what do you want to do there with that I might go do that go do that I pause the show let's do it can you can you can you I hate me can you do that no I don't mind I'm gonna entertain these people while you go pull that shit out of your eye okay we're back Brian's back Brian never never saw was in my eye and it's still there's still a little but it might just be that feeling after you take your contact lens out so I'm going to give everybody a choice today. I've got a pair of, so my contact lenses out, so I can't see. So I've got a choice of glasses for the rest of the episode. Okay.

We've either got these, this delicious frameless number right here. That right there looks like you're going to go, you're going to work on some, you're going to do some blow torch type, not blow torch, but like some really careful machinery work. And you've got to have those for both protection, but also they will correct your lens. as you're working on. Okay. Okay. It's a very industrial looking.

That's A. A or B. A or B. This is the other choice. Ah, yes. This is more... More frames. This is more Professor Ibit.

I have a question. Okay. Let's go with B. You like B? Okay. Well, I mean, I'd rather be Professor Ibit than I'm going to go weld a couple of pieces of equipment together. I mean...

Although, actually, I take that back. The chat room. Oh, man. It's so... heart like there's a lot of A's, there's a lot of B's. This is like getting your eyes checked. The doctor's like A or B.

And you're like, I don't know. They're about the same. I don't know, you guys. A.B. People are saying, put both on. Thank you, codes from home. Just A.B. Yeah.

Stick them on top of each other. Yeah, I'm going to say, I'm seeing more A's than B's. All right. Let's put A on. We'll do the frameless jobbers. All right. There it is. You're like, let me see.

Did you bring your watch with you, sir? Okay, great. Let me go in the back, see if I can look at it, see what's making it tick wrong. Perfect. All right, good. All right. Well done. Well done. Hey, I don't know how your day started.

Mine started with the following. Okay. The dog, the big one, Ripley. Yes. Ellen Ripley, the giant freaking Weimer Rhymer dog. The gentleman, rhymer whiner. Yes. She is a beast.

And anyway, she gets really excited in the morning because she knows it's eating time, right? Super stoked. So you send her outside, she does a quick pee, she comes in, she knows that means food's next. You fill up her little, we have one of those swirly bowls, so she has to, like, work to get all the pieces because she eats too fast. Oh, that's cool. Yep. And Carter does this thing where she makes her sit and wait until she tells her it's okay. So she fills the bowl, has her sit, she sits, stares at you, and waits for the okay.

So the dog understands the word wait? wait or wait either one either one works and then she'll say in the last seconds she'll go come and then the dog will do it so then

so anyway she's sitting there doing that now the problem is with this particular dog it may be breed she slobbers all the time while she's sitting there waiting so she's just slobbing like a waterfall

just blah blah just coming out of my mouth because she's so hungry I mean she's just her mouth watering she's just stoked yeah he's a dog she's doing the whole Pavlov thing basically here's the problem though

If you do this long enough, I think we ran into a problem because as soon as she was about to say, okay, it's time, the dog gets up on all fours, leans over, and starts doing that. Oh, yeah. Sound. Yeah. And I thought, let's get him out. Let's start, you know, get her outside. So he took her outside. At least onto a hardwood floor, some sort of cleanable surface, away from any rugs or carpets.

Yeah, get her away from these, because she was right by a rug. so I got her outside and she still does it for a while and she ends up horking up nothing but just like foam right like kind of spit foam and then she was fine and then she was starving again and so what I think happened there

is she had slobbered herself too much and was like choking on her own freaking slobber spit is what happened and just so excited about it that she's now like gagging on it and doing them it was not fun not fun oh she's fine now she ate she went out and poop she came back in she's just chilling right now everything's everything's great that dog is normally no problem

but today it was like got a mouthful of spit and you're screwed anyway that sucks saturday night it's house all right moving on hey we do a thing on thursdays now that a lot of people have uh we'd be getting a lot of feedback about this segment and people like it a lot Okay, good. I was going to say, getting feedback is good. Getting good feedback is better. You're not wrong. And today, I'd like to tell everyone that the feedback has been nothing but good. So we're going to do this. I think science is cool. So do why. Joining us now is Bobby Frankenberger, who was here to talk about science. He's just getting longer. He has different hair than I thought. Why did I think your hair was short? I don't know why I thought that. I usually try to tuck it behind so that I don't look too crazy. And I normally do have.

short hair but the the pandemic has has done a number I feel like it grew my desire to visit fantastic Sam's during all this right well my wife used to cut my hair and then and then I stopped letting her do it because because I wanted something specific done and then she was not good at it and then and then now here I am the you see the rest of this if you don't have Look, if you don't have like a record to keep about never paying for a haircut, then by all means, quit having your wife to your hair. But yeah, I can't. Well, I do. I pay for it for sure and it's too much money, so I'm making it up for the both of us.

There you go. I like it just seems like between last week and today, it grew like four inches. Yeah, here, I'll try to tuck it back again, so it's not too distracting. Well, either way, there's some science about the hair, but we're not going to talk about that today. Instead, you and I were passing around some conversation earlier about different things. And one of the things people are really stoked about in our new forward thinking sort of, I don't know, global thinking of like how are we going to survive. What's the next step for humanity? Population continues to grow.

What are we going to do? And one of those is, hey, what about more sustainable food sources like lab grown meats or, you know. Impossible meats and beyond. Meets. Yes, beyond impossible. And who knows what's after that. All those things. Those are a thing.

But also stuff like organic grass fed, you know, we only have four cows in here instead of 800 and they all live outside and that sort of thing. But what scientists are finding is that we're having roughly the same amount of greenhouse impact as regular meats. So what's the point? In some cases, more. Like, it seems like we're spinning our wheels. What are you going to do? Yeah. Are you going to let Bobby answer at some point?

Yes, yes. Yeah, there's a lot of questions in there. And I understand the anxiety. There's a lot. Because a lot of people are yelling at us from a lot of different directions, telling us that we're doing things wrong, and we've been doing it wrong forever about everything, capitalism to light bulbs, to everything.

And here's another one that's like that. So the study you talked about, had to do with greenhouse gases. I think we should level the playing field a little bit in case people don't know. Greenhouse gases, when you talk about those, you're talking about like carbon dioxide and methane mostly, which are just gases in the atmosphere.

And the more of those gases you have in the atmosphere, the more heat gets trapped from the sun on the surface of the earth. So it leads to warming over time, like a greenhouse. And that's why we call them greenhouse gases. this study that you sent me asking me, hey, let's take a look at this. Do you think there's something here?

Looked at the greenhouse gas impact of so-called organic meats. I'm using scare quotes because, well, you didn't realize you're going to be triggering me with this. I never heard the first time I've heard of that called scare quotes. I always just heard air quotes. But now, but you're saying this has like a, ooh, This is a scary thing. The government doesn't want to tell you about or whatever. Right, right.

I like that phrasing, too, scare quotes. So, yeah, so they're saying, they're saying, surprise, organic meat production has roughly the same greenhouse impact as regular meats. And I will cut to the chase and say, this is a good study and they're right. But it's an important one, it's important to talk about because we have so much conversation in the, public sphere about organic food production and proponents of organic farming sort of push the organic agenda of farming methods that are better for the environment, but they're not. And that's what I wanted to talk about, that they're not better for the environment.

So that might be surprising. There's a lot to talk about with organic food, and I don't think we're going to get into all of it, but I wanted to talk specifically about that question, is organic farming better for the environment? Sure. It sounds like it's about an equal deal, right? Well, at least this study says that about greenhouse gas emissions. But yeah.

And we need to talk. So I don't want to undersell. The study seems small and like, okay, whatever. But it's important because when you talk about organic foods and whether or not it's good or bad, it has a lot of implications for global food production and policy. policy making across the world that could feed hungry people. So this, sussing this kind of stuff out is actually quite important.

Figuring out what is the science behind, the real science behind organic food. And credit where credits do, this was a study out of a, they were a team in Greeceville, Germany. The technical university of Munich, I guess. And they were the ones that did this study. But the ramifications are what?

Like, do we just back off and go, well, I guess it's back to regular old ass non-organic farming because this didn't work? Well, okay, so the study, just so we understand what the study was talking about, this particular study is a narrow study. It looked at the lifetime, not the lifetime, but the overall production of greenhouse gases over the the entire course of meat production. So they looked at from the start, they're talking about, like, what kind of greenhouse gases are produced when you process the feed,

using fertilizers to process the feed. They're eventually going to feed the animals versus organically fed animals. The way that they define organic meat is farm animals that were fed using crops and feed that were not, that fertilizer wasn't used to, to grow those feeds. Sure. And so they found that there's almost, like we've been saying, there's almost no difference between, in fact, chicken seems to even produce more greenhouse gas.

Organic chicken produces more than regular chicken in terms of greenhouse gases. Yeah. Interesting. So they don't have the fart problem that the cows do. Methane issue, yeah. No, and it's funny that you say that because this is one of the reasons actually why this actually might produce

just as much as normal intensively fed or typical farming practices for animals is the fart production because when you when you have organic animals

that are grown and fed organically they live a much longer life because they take longer to get to the size that you want them to be before you butcher them and pack up their meat. Yeah, because normally you're steroid them into being all like a fat chicken and kill them early. Yeah. So it turns out the longer an animal lives, the more farts it produces. Yeah.

It's like people like me. Yeah. And but also the more food that you have to feed them. Yeah. And that food has to be grown. Right. This is what it sounds like to me, per usual, this is my big takeaway. Okay.

Everything in this life that seems like we, you know, we want stuff immediately. We want to be able to say, oh, man, pollution, tomorrow I want that gone. But what ends up happening is you realize how weirdly interconnected everything is and nothing's a simple cut and dry kind of A and B sort of thing. It's like saying, you know, like all these electric cars we have now, it's great. We're in a new era. Someone in the chat mentioned this, so it reminded me of it, but it's great. Electric, pure electric cars. But what you don't think about are their tires are still rubber, rubber production costs this and does that and is petroleum-based.

And it's like having gas on your car kind of permanent, permanent gas rings stuck to your car. You have the issues of how do you produce that much electricity or that stuff doesn't just come out of thin air. You've got to like generate it. and how do you generate it? A lot of coal in some places, a lot of other ways in other places. So the sustainability just gets shifted around a little bit. So the veneer looks like,

oh, look at us, electrics, woo! But it's really happening is underneath. We're like scrambling to try to make it all work and it's still the same, some of the same processes. And so, I don't know. For me, it's like a reality wake-up call to say, there is no overnight.

You can't just freaking cut this thing in half. It's never going to be 100% or at least not initially going to be 100%. It's got to be a gradual thing as we, all the systems around sustainability become sustainable themselves. Yeah. Yeah. It turns out that the environment is complicated. Yeah.

Yeah, there you go. It's complicated. So fixing it is a complicated problem. But when it comes to organic meat production, it really comes down to how do you produce the food? We can talk, like it's a different conversation. I don't want to make it sound like I'm saying it's like animal. Animal treatment is a different conversation than the one we're having right now. They're connected, but we're not, that is not today.

Today is not that discussion. So we could have a different conversation about ethics in the way we treat animals, but that's not the argument that's usually made when it comes to is organic better for the environment. Because, because, so let's discuss that then. how is organic food production better for the environment or not and it's complicated

yes but maybe not as complicated as it at first seems to be clear any kind of farming is bad for the environment it just is no matter how you cut it organic farming what so called intensive

farming which would be like the way we tip mass-produced crops. Yeah, and for the record, you're talking about mass production farming. We're not talking about, you know, humans in the 1700s trying to make a patch of land produce a couple of pumpkins and a piece of corn. Like, we're talking about, like, big food production, you know, 90 billion tons of corn a week kind of deal like that.

Well, it's a scale question, right? Because even your garden has an impact on the micro environment around it, right like just around the soil it's going to suck up CO2 and nitrogen from the soil it's if you do use fertilizers there will be fertilizer stuff in in that small area it's not going to have a huge global impact but when you scale it up to a large farm yes it's going to have that's when it starts to become a concern so the problems are the same at every level it's just on a larger scale what are the the large impacts of it yeah Well, the solution is we need to figure out a way to live on cow farts and chicken farts. If we can do that. Well, we're definitely producing a lot of that. We are. So, you know, we ought to harness that.

I'm sure this is easy. I'm sure it's no problem. Somebody should figure out of the way. Just reach out there. My car runs on cow farts. Yeah. A little tiny compact cars could run on chicken farts. We got this.

This is it. We're done. Put loading chickens into the back of your car. Yeah. Instead of smart cars, we have fart cars. It makes perfect sense. You'll have fart cars. working lots anyway oh geez yeah that's a whole different thing oh that's out back behind the uh the target

super center um all right so just to swing it around to is anything is anything being done like is there are we are we headed toward uh any solutions on this or are we just in the middle of the this is more complicated than we thought like where are we at no so so the the soapbox part of this conversation that we have is me saying, yes, we are trying to do things about it. Scientists are trying to do things about it all the time, but organic lobbies keep coming by and trying to slow down the progress that we're making. So the reason that organic food production is worse for the environment has mostly to do with the fact that organic food production takes more land to make the same amount of food,

it takes more water to make the same amount of food it takes more stuff so you cannot produce as much food on the same amount of land because all the advances that we've made in farming make it so that we can take that same amount of land and make more food and so let's say you wanted to produce a ton one ton of grain um an organic farm has to be x big to make one ton of grain and a typical modern farm can be much smaller and the rest of the land that would have been used by organic farms, we could just leave at trees. Yeah. And the things that we wanted to be. Oxygen farm, basically.

Yeah. We're oxygen farm. Let's find more oxygen. Now, some people will say, well, they don't do that. They just use the same amount of land and make a bunch of food so that they can, you know, make a ton of money. But then you, that's when you start talking about how,

Well, we also want to talk about feeding the world and world hunger. So make a choice, right? Like, okay, you can cut production and make less food on the same amount of land or use less land to do the farming, and you're going to have to make people starve because we already do not produce enough food to feed the world. So how do we do that is by coming up with advances in farming technology, GMO technology and to produce more food, better fertilizers that are not having a negative impact on the environment.

Because scientists want that. It's not like they're saying, you know, screw the environment. If they could make, if they're trying all the time to make pesticides and fertilizers that have less impact on the environment, that is the goal. So you have to let them do the work to do it. Sure, sure. It's going to take time. It's going to be your grandkids.

It will go, these initiatives worked. Or there's still too many chicken farts, they'll say. 2075. You never know. All right. Well, it's interesting stuff. You want to read this entire article we found this from. It's from science mint.com.

Just go find the, just go search for the organic meats section over there if you want to read more. And learn about factory farming in general because it's an interesting. subject that you probably don't know much about. You just go to your store and you buy your stuff and you don't think about it. But there's a reason those carrots are so big and you got them so fast and you got them so cheap. Steroids. That's right. It's all steroids. Bobby, always a pleasure. Let people know where they can find more Frankenberger science. I've got a podcast called All Around Science. We do science news and deep dives into topics like this. And I want to, we would, if we were to cover this on our podcast

and maybe we will in the future, we would go deeper and kind of flesh this out a lot more. This was a very surface rant I was making less of an argument. So I know some people in the chat were saying, they know a lot about this and that they have a lot of

disagreements with me and we could talk about that for sure, but because I'm not, I was not trying to make the 30 minute long sophisticated argument here. But, but But we might do something like that on the podcast. So check it out all around science.

You can go to all around science.com or just find it on podcast places. Very nice. Podcastplaces.org. Just kidding. That one takes it. Have a good one, Bobby. We'll see you next. Ready to subscribe me on podcast places so I could be number one.

Yeah, man. We've got to meet Keith and the girl this month. Let's do it. Free Talk Lives got that number one spot. We want to take it. Ah, go ask your, you can ask yourself. It's not that all. That's right. Ask your older brother.

Ask your older brother. Okay. Hey, we're going to do the news and let's see what time is it? Yeah, oh yeah, we got time. Lots of time for news. So here's this. It's time for the news brought to you by. Brought you by Coverville today at 1 p.m. Mountain Time.

That is at twitch.tv slash coverville. Justin Timberlake is turning the ripe old age of 40. oh man what a what an old fart he is that's an old fart that can power my car just in timberlake turning 40 so we'll have a couple sets of covers of him as well as an interview that i won't tell you about right now i'm going to wait until a little bit later in the show and tell you about the interview um but it's really cool it's a uh uh an exciting i don't know it's a band that you're really going to dig and i interview okay we'll find out more about that later that's awesome is it a band i know is it like a uh no No, no, but it's a band you're going to know. Oh, that's what's cool about it. Ooh, we're getting out in front of us, are we? Yeah, yeah. That's how all bands, they all have to start somewhere.

Gotta start somewhere, and today on Coverville's where it's going to start. Yeah, if that's a, if that's A, I can't wait to see where Z is. That's amazing. Right, see? Here's a fun one. I don't like the TSA, but I haven't been to an airport in a long time either, so I kind of forgot what it was like. I don't like TSA. You guys could add that one

But needs the E on the end So we probably need the E It's yeah That was Do as I say not as I do There you go It's my parenting Advice for everyone

Exactly Happy 24th to your son by the way Cheese Good Lord, I know 24 years What is that even about What we even do? Yeah he asked for a

A bartending set And that's just weird It's just weird So he's got like a Boston shaker and a strainer and a muddling a muddler and one of those long goofy spoons with the twisty

Oh, right. Yeah. Twisty stems. Made by Galube, the hot new collection by Galube. Right, exactly. It just seems like five minutes ago he was 12 and we were going to that bowling alley

for NerdTagular 2010 or whatever. It's crazy. How is this possible? Yeah, I don't like it. No, sir, I don't. Anyway, here we are. TSA. An agent has now been convicted. So it's one of the dudes at the place, you know, saying, excuse me, ma'am, can I check your shoes or whatever? Take off your shoes.

Yeah, that guy. Take off your belt. Yeah, this dude, this guy. You know this guy. Uh-huh. He's been convicted of tricking women into showing him her breasts at L.A.X. Of course, L.A.X. Freak and worst airport on the planet.

We can hate that airport. Former Transportation Security Administration Agent was accused of tricking a traveler into showing her boobs as she went through the security. in Los Angeles International Airport or L-A-X for short. No contest Friday to false imprisonment Authority said. He pled that, by the way.

Jonathan Lomely. Lomely? All the lonely people. Why do you shoot my boobs with a camera? He entered the plea in a felony court and was sentenced to 60 days in county jail. 52 classes arresting sexual compulsion and two years probation.

California's attorney general announced. He was also banned from working as a security guard of any kind. It was charged with using fraud or deceit to falsely imprison the woman in June of 2019. They just kind of pulled her over into the booth and that's still imprisonment, I guess. The woman told the- Well, no, it went further than that. Oh, it did? Oh, it did.

They told investigators that he told her he had to look inside her bra to ensure she wasn't hiding anything. He had her hold her pants away from her waist for a check. Come on, man. And then when she, sorry, and then said she would, sorry, he would take her to a private room for further security screening. But when they were alone on an elevator, lonely told the woman he could perform the screening there and ordered her to lift her shirt and show her breasts, then looked down her pants. Lonely then told the woman She was free to go and added that she had nice breasts

Well that was nice of him Might have gotten away with it if it weren't for that last little bit Yeah That last bit you may have had an inkling of baby Tarty went too far Ah, he complimented her on her breast Shoot what have I done Anyway

A guy rightly is going to spend some jail time Although maybe not long enough doesn't seem 60 days isn't very long Seems like I don't know And he needs deserves, you know, at least two months in jail and the classes for a year and two years of probation. If someone asks to see your breasts on an elevator because they're checking you for guns, maybe this is a, I don't know. Well, think about it, though. She's in there, she's in there thinking someone of authority is, and she's just trying to, but he's a complete shipbag and should be in jail for a lot longer than this.

Bit back. Exactly. He should be there for a year. Like, we're longer. Like, that is, that is under. Maybe at some point we need to see that the Nigerian print's email. We need to be able to recognize that ourselves as a scam. Yeah, but if you're in the elevator and you see that guy and she says, let me see your breasts and she suddenly dawns on her, oh my gosh, this is all going to south. What is she even going to do in there? Yeah, that's true. It's easy for us to say, because I'd go, get me out of here, a hole and I kick him in the nuts and leave, but it's not always that way for it. I'm not putting it all. I'm putting, I'm not putting any of it on her. I'm just saying, I don't know what I'm saying. No, this is great. This is good. I usually get the shitty emails. You guys come, now you have a whole other guy to you send emails to today.

Really? Why? Why? Why? I'm just saying, I'm just saying people hear what they want to hear. So if they have a problem, they don't have to tell me. Because sometimes I'll say something. I think you're creating, I think you're creating controversy where it exists.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I know, okay, I'll say it this way. I know what you're saying. But I know we have a couple of listeners who will decide that they will think something else that you're saying. Let me be clear. I'm not putting any of this on her. But I'm saying that we just need to maybe, I don't know, have better screening for the people we put in positions of screening. 100%.

100% on that. Oh my gosh. You have my vote. You have my donation. Let's redirect to that because I think that is the problem. Yeah. Also, TSA is kind of a garbage show, and they should fix their crap because how many times will we have done stories on the show about some crappy TSA thing? It feels like it's at least a few times a month. That's too many.

Yeah. All right. Moving on. A Florida attorney. Florida attorney. Oh, we're skipping in and out. Oh, did I skip? I didn't mean to.

Here it is. Never mind. I can't skip this because this, hold on. This is one of these. Utah Connections. That's right. Not one we're very proud of. In-N-Out customers threatened with a hatchet after a woman cuts them off in the drive-thru line.

Oh, no. Oh, no. She ordered animal style. Yeah. That's what you get. Customers in-and-out say that a woman cut them in line. That's a weird way to say that. Should be cut them off.

Cut them off. That whole cut, no cuts. Yeah. You know, that whole, it's, it always. bothered me the improper use of the term cuts. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah. It's not being... Hey, no butts. No butts. No butts. No cuts. No cuts.

No butts. There's in a line and a drive-through at one of the franchise locations in Utah. I was in West Valley over here. Not far from me. After trying to get the woman's attention, they said a man pulled up in another in another. Oh, dry line, I guess. And threatened

them with a hatchet. Really poorly written. It's really bad. Because first of all, it says woman. and then he says he's threatening them or they're multi I don't get that anyway the incident occurred in and out in West Valley City Fox 13 now reports

according to reports a woman driving a silver BMW they're just repeating the story honked their horn okay several minutes later got another car pulled up and the man got out oh he got out he can just show it at the window he allegedly used a hatchet to smash the window of the car the two men were in

oh my god yeah the suspect followed this up by showing the two men his bloody hand and telling them that their blood would be next. I will drink your milkshake. Yeah. Which one are you ordering? Are you getting vanilla? You're chocolate.

They only have the two flavors here. Vanilla or chocolate. They're cheap, but they don't have a lot of variety. I will drink your milkshake. But you order me an extra one. This will not be your blood? I will not dip my fries in your milkshake. You know, at some point you've got to blame.

You have to blame the people in the in-and-out burger line, Scott. It's not all on the woman with the hatchet. Oh, that's what I see. say you've got a, you've got a boy. Well, it's a guy with a hatchet, but yeah, I get your point. Oh, it was a guy with a hatchet. Yeah, it was a man. Uh, police officers, yeah, they're going after the lady. Uh, police officers are reportedly able to obtain a vehicle license plate number from a witness and track down the driver who was identified as 37 year old, Damien, Damien Lee Hallett. Oh, Damien, that's where you're, that's where you should have seen the trouble coming.

Mm-hmm. Because he's Hellspawn. He's son of Satan, right? There's no, there's, there's, uh, there's no good Damians out there. I know we might have some listeners who are Damians. your time will come. Oh, yeah. I'm just going to try to equally offend everybody today. In and out,

in and out, uh, line, uh, waiters and, uh, people named Damien, just going for everybody.

Yeah, why not? Equal opportunity offenders. It's the glasses. The glasses are making me evil, Scott. It's like, I've already got the goate.

So I can't be the Star Trek alternate universe evil version of Brian. Right. It's the, it's the glasses. Yeah. It was always the glasses. Maybe it was,

maybe I should have picked B instead of A. You should have gone. professor glasses. Should have got professor. Yeah, this would have solved. Welder glasses have turned me into a monster. Indeed. Okay, now I'll talk about this Florida guy.

Okay. All right. Florida attorney, disbarred, meaning kicked out, can't practice law anymore. You know, you know what disbarred means. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don't know why I'm explaining it. Disbarred won't serve me anymore, so we're going to go to the next bard.

That's right. Never play a bard. Anyway, Florida attorney disbarred for making a porno while he was in jail. Oh, wow. You know what? That's creativity. Look, when you're in jail, what do you, you know, and you got nothing else to do? Brazzers! A Florida lawyer has been disbarred for using his attorney's privileges to visit women in jail and record sexual encounters with them for a pornographic film he made, according to Florida's Supreme Court.

State's high... Corporal's about to ring. Ready? Yeah. There it goes. Jared? Uh-uh. What is that? that was the doorbell

Tina's got it but I just you know I figured the audio was going to interrupt No I couldn't hear it I heard a tiny little ting in the back but I didn't hear anything else Yeah I'm amazed the dog didn't go apeship Because that's usually the dogs

That's when ours lose it That's just dogs though right Doesn't everybody's dog do that? Do some dogs just quietly? I don't know what it is about the doorbell That makes dogs go nuts I think they just know It means people

Yeah They're conditioned to know that people will be there Because there was a time where Rainer, Jim Rainer, the female dog, didn't bark at the door if it knocked or rang. But then when Izzy was around, she did it naturally. And then Rainer would do it in response. And now she does it every time. Yeah. She taught her a horrible deal.

And it's not like they get any sort of negative reinforcement because the people who ring the doorbell almost always leave at some point. So they know that eventually their barking did the job. And it scared them away, even if it took a while. Yeah. Yeah, I don't get it. They see the results and say, see, they left, UPS left. I did that. That was me.

That was my parking. Yeah, you think they'd be here all night if it wasn't for me. I'll do it again. Anyway, where was that here? Florida lawyer. Oh, yeah, yeah. His name is Andrew Spark. There's your first sign of trouble right there.

There's no good Andrew Sparks out there. Sounds like a porn director in its own right. Anyway, yeah. According to the FSC, Spark abused his privilege in practicing law. He used his law license to access private rooms, did this whole thing, made the film. He's 58. He's on probation since 2019 after pleading guilty to charges of bringing contraband into detention facilities. This guy's like a real, he's like a bad Saul Goodman.

He really is, yeah. All right, this next scene, all right, action. Hey, did somebody order a cake with a file in it? I'm here to fix the plumbing in your one toilet that's also a sink. Yeah, what does your horrible script look like? What is this? I don't even want to know. I'm sure they play off the fact that they're in jail and make it a sexy warden or something.

Yeah. Well, although it's got to be all. It's got to be all dudes. I can't imagine. It's not like a co-ed situation here. Yeah, I assume so. Unless that was the contraband that he brought into the detention facilities was a woman. Is there any, there's no such thing as a co-ed jail is there?

There's not, is there? There's, there's co-ed, there's co-ed prisons, but they're not all kept in the same. They're not all kept in the same room, right? So it's, if 30 days in has taught me anything, it's that your jail will have both sexes, but they're not all going to be in the same place. Right. That makes sense. I'm trying to think that, so we're building a new,

prison out or down south somewhere and they're going to close the one that we've had here my whole life that's that used to be what we call the boonies but now is like a super populated so they're getting rid of it for mostly that reason but um i can't i don't i guess it has ladies in it and they just never mix the two populations i guess yeah all right i don't know never been in prison couldn't tell you final story brian psychedelic mushrooms grew inside of a man's veins after he injected them. I want to thank Troy for this story.

I've been holding on to it for a while. Oh, my God. Yeah, Troy says this in. He sent it in basically to say, hey, you thought that was weird. That guy had mushrooms growing in his nose or whatever it was. Oh, right. Yeah. Ears or something.

Ears, yeah. Yeah, it was ears. You're right. Yeah. And so he's like, hey, I got one better. A man's experiment with psychedelic mushrooms went disastrously wrong when he nearly killed himself. According to doctors, in a new case reported this week, they detailed how a man injected a T. made from mushrooms directly into his body.

Wow. And then developed a life-threatening infection that had them growing in his blood. The experience left him in the hospital for close to a month. Fortunately, he did survive in the end. According to the report, 30-year-old man had been brought to the emergency room by his family after exhibiting confusion. He had a history of bipolar disorder as well as opiate dependence and had recently stopped taking his prescribed medications. his family doctor told police or told doctors his family told doctors why does that sound weird it doesn't matter in the course of trying to self-medicate his depression and independence he came across this research

showing the benefit of using psychedelic drugs like mushrooms and LSD long with the short of it put it in his veins they literally kind of metastasized this created new spores of the mushrooms just crazy yeah right I mean you make you're making tea from these mushrooms yeah And then you're injecting that tea into your veins, and there's enough of the mushroom material for it. I'm just picturing like the Wesley Crusher looking through a microscope and watching these little mushrooms grow. Oh, Mom, look, these mushrooms are growing inside Barclay's veins.

What are we going to do? I love that Barclay's the one with the problem. Barkley's the one who would do this. Come on. It is. It's a total man. Who else would do it? Honestly, think about it for a second.

Right, right. What Star Trek character injects mushrooms into his veins? Nobody else on the Enterprise that's going to be injecting. Barkley, that's it. It's got to be Barkley. Come on. Nailed it. Nailed it.

Yeah. Mad, Mad, Mad, Madoc, Murphy. No, Mad, what was his name on A-Team? Uh, he was Mad Dog, Mad Dog, Murdoch. Murdoch. Murdock, Murdoch. Murdoch, the Mad Dog. I saw one episode.

I can't be, I can't be relied on for my A-Team knowledge. You were there for the one episode of the A-T-E-O-D-E-W. I ever watched. I know, that's true. Howling Mad, Murdoch. That's it. Yeah, there was no dog involved at all. Howling Mad Modoc. Howling, Mad, Modoc. What is that, what is that piece of art coming out? Yeah, when is that, when is that animated show coming out? When's that happening? Oh, it's, uh, March.

Oh, I'm excited. I think this is what we figured out. We looked it up last week and we came up with March. I desire it. I want to see it. I do too. I do too. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister will be here. We're talking about procrastination today. I could use some help. So Thursday. We'll get around to it eventually. She'll be on some point in the show. I don't know when. We were meant to do this episode six years ago. But we've been putting it off. And finally, time to do it. It's procrastination with Wendy. That's coming up next after this song selection from Brian Nibben. Yes. Oh, this is good. This is a band I interviewed last night on the show. And so you'll actually get to hear it today on Coverville. The Delvon Lamar organ trio. This is some funk, like you have never heard funk before, some funky jazz. They have a brand new album called I Told You So and just came out, and it's really, really good.

It's equal parts, Motown, stacks, the black keys mixed with a little bit of the MGs. oh my god why am i forgetting the guy's name in the m g's uh marty green onions uh i don't uh anyway that guy that guy that guy um and it's it's uh it's really really good um they do a cover on this album of careless whisper by booker t thank you booker t and the m g's why was that name just completely out of my mind um they do a cover of careless whisper by wam uh on here when featuring george michael as they called them souls for for that song. Oh, yeah. Remember that. And it's great. You're going to hear that on Coverville, but it's in the middle, so you get to hear a non-cover right here. This is the song called

Call Your Mom, and it's good advice, too, from the brand new album, I Told You So, from the Delvon Lamar organ trio. Thank you. So, I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be a bit of a bit of a bit. I don't know what I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be the I'm going to be.

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Holy Martin. Hello, my friend. Stay a while and listen. This is the morning stream. All right, we're back, everybody. These glasses just aren't working. I can't. They're not comfortable.

I can't. Do I be blind or do I be... Put your professor ones on. Do they, are they any better? They're not. They're actually, I think it's an older prescription. They just happen to be in the same... Yeah.

Still pretty blurry. These are better for like, if I have to look down on my keyboard, I can see it better with these. The screen looks horrible. But if I wear these, my keyboard is all weird. And... Yeah, I don't know. Eyes, man.

I haven't been to the eye doctor in a couple of years. I think I need a new prescription. Yeah, you should go in there, see what they say about your current eyeball situation. Yeah. I'm glad you still can wear contacts because I can't wear those anymore. They've f-me up. Oh, really? No, I'm probably going to put a contact lens back in as soon as I'm done with the show.

Makes sense to me. Kim got some new really comfortable ones, I guess. She's like you. She just, if she's not in contact, she's not comfortable. Yeah, that's really weird. The glasses just are not working. We're not working. Let's see if this works right here.

Hey, it's my sister Wendy. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey, good. Hey, good. Hey. Hey, okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I have a question. Okay. Okay. So I went on a walk in a blizzard this morning, like a full-on blizzard. Yeah, I heard you guys. With my dog.

Yeah. Yeah, we got your Blizzard. You had one, I guess, and now we have it. Anyway. Real small, but yeah, it got bigger when it got to you, I think. And then it's going to be freezing. Anyway, I was listening to just some music that was great, and there's no one outside. Like, usually there's always other dogs and other people and whatever, right?

And I start, and my headphones are really good now, and they, like, fill up my whole ears. So I'm definitely going to get hit by a car if I'm not careful, right? They block everything else out. Totally. So I am sure that no one can hear me And I find I just started Like pretty loud because it's a blizzard, right? So the sound would blow away anyway

And anyway, I kind of rounded a corner And there was an old guy shoveling his walk And he's just staring at me Wow What song were you singing? I got to know I can't remember now Please tell me to let the dogs out by the Baja man

Oh, that was definitely not it Anyway, but it was just this moment of like I might be going crazy like that's how it felt I you know what I'm going to say that's a sign of like the opposite that seems like a nice moment of no one's here I can say what I want do what I want I'm in this blizzard which is already crazy

like I don't know there's something nice yeah it was very it was very cathartic but also like I don't know if I'm okay so anyway I'm excited for our conversation today healer heal thyself seriously well I'm glad you're here we do this every Thursday when it comes on do a little therapy Thursday. She's an actual therapist, helps people with grow problems all

the time and donate some time here on Thursdays to help us with ours. Today we're going to talk about a subject. We were joking earlier that we should have done this a long time ago because we put it off because it's about my hypocrisy. Sorry, what's it about? Sorry, what's the damn word? I can't think of the word. Procrastination. Why does hypocrisy want to get in the middle of it? I don't understand. Anyway, those are two very different words. Maybe it's a whole different thing we need to be talking about today. Maybe. But anyway, procrastination.

Putting stuff off. We all do it to some level, I would assume. I don't know. Maybe there are people that never procrastinate. Kim doesn't. She's very good non-procrastinator. Very rare.

Not me. Tina's the same way. She, when there's something needs to be done, Tina jumps right on it and it drives me nuts. Yeah, it drives me nuts too because it's, it adds to this feeling I already have, which is I'm already bad at this, But then when I see a good example of it happening,

it just makes me feel worse about my personal, you know, crappy procrastination. I'm curious, though, Wendy, why this came up in your head as a thing to talk about today because you were like, oh, I remember procrastination. Well, because it's Adam has talked nonstop about it. Oh, all right. Which is a form of procrastination. Yeah, no, he's really into thinking about it and talking about it. So he has a sort of change of things at his work.

He's going from one particular team to a different one. And they have a whole set of new problems to deal with. And like it's fun, but it also has highlighting his tendencies to procrastinate. Anyway, he found this great article. And I will reference it at the end, but I'm not going to, because I don't want anyone to not listen to me

and go straight to it because it's great. But it's about procrastination and sort of what's kind of happening in our brains very specifically that's just been interesting to talk about. So I sent you a couple different things. You don't have to put them up yet, but ways to sort of understand how we operate. Because, okay, so you can take either of your wives who are just like, what, clearly, both of you need wives that don't per us. You're the yin and the yang situation, right?

But it's sort of a way to understand your, you know, the things you have to do. right and they we make a little matrix and people have maybe heard of it before it's called the Eisenhower matrix I like this thing wow which one of these there's three of these the one that has the one that's the one that says the Eisenhower matrix at the top well they all do I think but the one I want you do it first is the quadrant one two it says you want the urgent not urgent urgent not important yeah okay so these are then these are all similar I mean they're similar. The only one of them says the Eisenhower matrix.

The other one says the procrastinator's matrix. And then this other one doesn't have a title. But, uh, okay, stick with the Eisenhower matrix, the first one. So I was just going to break things out into these four quadrants for a second. So you've got things that are urgent and important.

That goes in quadrant wrong one. Things that are not urgent, but are also important. Those are in quadrant two. And then not important and urgent quadrant three. And then not urgent. Not urgent. Not important.

which is where all of us spend our okay so like the funny version was this other one I sent you was in those quadrants you have the first quadrant feel overwhelmed so I procrastinate and then the important not urgent make a plan to do it later but think about it nonstop and then urgent not important overinflated importance then melt in a puddle of panic And then the not important, not urgent, do it right away and spend hours on it. Yeah.

I know a lot of gamers who can relate to that particular quadrant. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Okay. So the concept here is that, and I'm going to just use, when you read the article, you can use the names that he uses. But it's that we have different parts of our brains that do different,

have different operational roles here. So the story is of this guy who has written this thing, and I should learn his name, but see, I'm so lazy. It's not important and it's not urgent. Yeah, that's right. You procrastinated that guy's name. It's totally fun. His name's Tim, I believe. But anyway, he shared the story of like, high school is this example of where you can think of yourself as being a slacker or that you're a procrastinator.

But, you know, they don't really let you do that. It's not like three years or four years goes by and no one ever checks on your progress on a project. No, you have due dates. You have finals. And they, you know, within a semester, there's multiple ones of those, right? So it's a structure already built on top of your brain's tendencies that help you get stuff done. So often what happens, and especially in high school and college, you will bram it the night before. then you start to learn like, oh, I can cram it maybe the morning up, right?

Like you can push and push, but you'll still have a deadline that gives you your panic. And panic gets us to do stuff, right? And so the idea is that there's this monkey mind that is like, ooh, what's fun? What's next? Let's do whatever we want. And the rational part of your brain is like, no, I can't do that. I need to do this. Well, the monkey is very good at getting us to do these other things.

and tell we're in panic mode because suddenly this thing is due. Well, now we move out of high school and for some people college. College is a little more. There's less handholding. There's less, you know, there's still deadlines. But you can still use your panic button

to get your crap done. So you get it done, barely, maybe. Sure. Now, all the while, the monkey is like, you know what you should really do? Write a blog. And so you start writing a blog for funzies in your free time.

And that feels really, important. So that's again, quadrant four. It's not actually important. It's not urgent, but it feels great. That's like playground. That's the playground. Okay. So the article describes the playground of being one of two things. It's either the happy playground or it's the dark playground. And the difference is how you're treating your other quadrants. So if you are not getting important stuff done, that's urgent, you're feeling like a failure. And if you are definitely not getting quadrant two stuff done things that are important but not urgent like you know longer term planning things um or even just getting an urgent things done you your your

playground that's what takes on the flavor of the playground the happy playground is when you've got some of that other stuff done you feel good now go play but the dark playground is deep dive into the um world of string theory and then follow that into how do i make jello whatever you know like the internet dives that you do or i just played a video game for 20 hours and didn't sleep and now i'm getting you know i'm behind at work whatever right it's important to show material though is that the video game was very important for that yeah yeah exactly okay so let's switch to the second one scott i don't know if you have that up i can't see what you um anyway the do now like how do you how we should be acting in our quote

Quadrants. So the urgent, important is the do now. And the important, not urgent, is decide when to do it rather than just, you know, never doing it or kicking it down the road. And then the quadrant three is to delegate it away. Did you guys ever know you could do that? Yeah, but I'm terrible at it. Terrible at it. Nobody else I can delegate to. Nobody. Deligate it away. I can't. That time I could and I just don't. I don't know why I don't. So I think, let's think of some examples of things you have done that with. So if any of you have a grocery delivery service, you just did this with your urgent. Because you need food. That's urgent, but it's not important as far as, you know, your general things you need to do.

So you delegate that away. So you do some of this. Maybe there's other things you're not delegating way. And then the last one is delete it. It's not important and not urgent. That's, that is hard. Yeah. So hold on.

I mean, the delete it seems, don't you need the balance of, like the the fun non-important and not urgent stuff just to, because the video game playing would probably fall in there. Don't you need some of that to say, okay, well. You do. But hold on. It will always be the dark playground if these other quadrants aren't okay. Does that make sense?

Yeah, right, right. So it's all the guilt. Yeah. Or like, okay, so imagine, you know, you'll hear someone say, well, I want to do this or this is my plan or whatever. But if we, if we took. their phone from them and then went to their usage and saw how much time they spent doing things that are not about working on their plan or whatever is they need. That stuff becomes,

that's six hours of their day that didn't go to the thing they want to do. And here's where it becomes the dark playground is you're beating yourself up for that, right? You wonder why you're not okay or why can other people do things that I can't do. So the pandemic's been a great highlighter of this, I think, for people, like, I can get off my couch maybe. And you're like, that's my accomplishment for the day, right? Like, it's hard. And then someone else is like, written a book and I was working on their symphony, whatever. And you're like, what? How is that possible? So that dark playground, I think, has gotten a lot more alluring because we do need some breaks from reality, maybe more so than another time. So it's tricky. So it's tricky.

what we want it to be is a happy playground. We want Quadrant 4 to be a happy playground. But if this is in a work setting and there's something not urgent and not important to you, then can you just not do it? Like, is that an option to just say, not and I don't want it? So you're just eliminating some things. So it's not just that's the playground. That's also, you know, stuff in your life that why is that still present when it's not important or not urgent?

Is this a new, by the way, that term, dark playground? I feel like I've heard that before. Is it always used in this context? From Dexter, probably. Maybe. Could be. I mean, it's related to the article that I'll just tell you now. So I'll stop being so weird about it.

The website is wait but why.com. And this is why procrastinate. And there's phases of it. So there's a couple, three of them or something. Give me that address one more time. So people just wait, wait, but why? Not waint, but why, but wait. Wain, spelled with an N.

Just kidding. W-A-I-T, B-U-T, W-H-Y. There you go. And then there's two of them. And they talk about, he talks about the decision maker, the instant gratification monkey, and the panic monster. And then you learn a little more about the dark playground and the happy playground. And there's a couple series of it.

So you'll have to read a bit here. but this okay so go back to the uh matrix for a second yeah now we go to the procrastinator's matrix okay yeah i do this is pretty darn accurate yeah in quadrant one we have do do when it comes sorry do when it goes from urgent to appallingly dire so that's that's the thing we've built up our stamina all around right we follow our monkey around and then it's like you will be fired if you don't do this you will lose your house If you don't do it, you know, that's when it gets dire. So is that ringing bells for you?

Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. Sometimes. Is it really just us not defining what urgent is until appallingly dire is urgent? Yeah. Well, I think especially for us, like in the work we do, I think that that can go from zero to 60 in five minutes because we're the ones defining it. But this is definitely, okay, let me ask you this, though. And maybe this is just an illusion.

but I always felt like I got some of my best work done in that quadrant. Oh, 100% true. That's bad. Why is that? Why is that? That seems bad. Is that good? So there is an extreme to that where you lose all the quality, right?

Or you believe it's quality when it's not quality. Yeah. And you're maybe not getting feedback that tells you so. So let's imagine you have a paper due or your, you know, senior thesis or, something and you are cramming and getting it done in a day when it should have taken you six months to do it well, you might think you're doing your best work. You get adrenaline. You can stay up all night. Like there's all these biological benefits that happen in that moment that make you believe you're doing good work. But then you get your grade back or you fail

and you're like, oh, I guess I wouldn't do my best work. Right. So if you don't have that feedback loop, this is why this can continue for a long time is that it's, Maybe good enough, and maybe it's even great. But what would actually happen if that wasn't crammed into the last five minutes? That's the thing. We don't know, right? And then if you meet people who this is not an issue, they don't procrastinate, they don't even know what we're talking about, then they can maybe tell us what that's like.

Because I don't think I know either. Anyway, so, yeah, you take out adrenaline. And you take out the rush of doing that, is it your best work? I don't know. I mean, it depends on, yeah, like, and it's also not guaranteed. Like, there have been times where that's where I'm, I pooped out my best work. But then there have been times where I absolutely did not and was just glad to be done with it. Yeah.

And you're, you might be defining your best work at the relief you feel once it's finally done. Like saying, oh, yeah, that was good work even though it was like, ah, that was a good monkey off my back. Panic monkey, but another monkey. Right. Totally. The happy, the pleasure monkey. The pleasure monkey. So here's a question.

Do you know how to define, like you were saying, you hinted to this, do you know what's urgent and important? Like, let's name something. Oh, geez. For all three of us, what is urgent and important? Paying a utility bill. That's urgent and important. I agree.

I agree with that one. Guys, you are already wrong. So paying your utility bill is not urgent unless it's the last minute. Oh, unless it's the third utility bill. Yeah. Okay, I get it. That's the one I wait for. Let me be clear.

You never pay it on the first bill. Come on. So you move something from important and not urgent, quadrant two, into quadrant one. Interesting. okay so urgent would be uh okay and they think of a real one here um uh okay but does the urgent stuff always have to be things that you could have done earlier or can it be a thing that's like unforeseen that you didn't know it was going to happen like a hard drive crashing on my main on my production stuff would kill me for a day i would be completely urgent and

important okay so i'll say that let's say so anything emergency yeah i mean that that if it has to be Because you could have someone, I mean, I don't know if you've had a toddler run up to you with something urgent. It's never important, right? Right, right. Right. Like, I need a chariot now. That's not really that important. But I'm pooping on the floor. That's important and urgent, right? Yeah. So, so some of it is recognizing, like, this should be actually kind of rare in the sense of many important things are not urgent until you've procrastinated. Yeah. And so what would it look like if those got done? So notice in Quadrant 2 here, we have the important and not urgent as a procrastinator. It's delegate to the future you. Yeah. I don't know if you, have you guys ever met the future you? No, but I don't want to either.

But I know. Let's be clear, you think that guy is amazing. He can do everything. Sure. And he'll have time and he'll have focus and it'll get done. It's going to be great. I know better. I know the future me is not going to be amazing.

So you have met it. It's just going to be me in about an hour. It's the future. Yeah, exactly. With all the same, same quandary problems. Right. So kick in the can. Your point is that we're saying to ourselves,

we convinced ourselves that if I kick this down the road, future me will handle it then because he will be able to, even though we don't actually know that. But future me doesn't exist. It's a mirage. And you always run into it when, you get there because it's present you. I know I'm ignoring it now and I know the guy in an hour that I'm pushing it off to

is going to ignore it then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. I do that all the time. Okay. So let's name something.

Okay. What is urgent important is your hard drive crashes? Sure. You got to take care of it. Okay. So how many of those things should happen in a day or you think would happen in a day? It should hardly ever happen. So it should always.

Anything that urgent. And if anything, we're constantly, if we're smart about it, this maybe goes layers, you know, deeper that you don't want to go. But, you know, we've got backups for days. And we have online backups. We have local backups. We have a secondary system that's ready to just shift in for duty. If something catastrophic happens, like there's preparation that could be made.

Well, let's say this. Customer provided a typo in the URL that they made you build that ad. So right now, their emails are sending people to the wrong website. That's important and urgent. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes.

That's a good one. And if you don't deal with it, you're like things are not going to go well. Now, so when those things happen, you need to have some space to handle them, right? Yeah. But if urgent and important is that thing you said you would do a month ago and it has to be done by, I don't know, taxes, this is a good example. April 15th at noon, then it's April 14th. You still have all of the stuff you'd kick to future you, plus anything urgent and important that day.

And this is when we are in a big hot mess as a procrastinator, right? For sure. Okay. So if you didn't take care of your crashing hard drive, then, and again, to handle this, right? It's too much, right? That's when we go to our dark playground. Right.

And it's dark instead of happy because it isn't a break from our work. It is a break from our reality that we keep spinning in. Right. Okay. So let's pick something in quadrant two. So we got not urgent and important. What do you guys think is in that quadrant that you tend to delegate to the future you? I mean, that would be paying the utility bill.

Okay. So delegate to the future you. Mm-hmm. And the right version of this. and quadrant two would be to decide when to do it. So they see the difference. One is you just kick it down and that other guy will take care of it. And hope that it gets taken care of.

Or you put something on the calendar and says, on this day, make sure you pay the utility bill. Yes. So there's the difference there. So Scott, how about you? Do you have a procrastinator quadrant two matrix you tend to do? Yeah. You delegate to your future you?

let me think yeah um i'm trying to think it's not all just work stuff so i'm trying to think what this could be um your health yeah that's a good one so like uh uh i have a appointment coming up the end of the month to do a three month check on the blood on the blood yeah they're going to check and um so right now i'm thinking about what is it's not urgent for me to know, but it's important that I make that appointment and find out. You know what I mean? Like the follow-up is important. So I don't know if that counts.

Does that count? It's very important. Yeah. And it's not urgent. Right. So either you wait until it's an emergency or you decide when you will take care of it. Right. I mean, even something as innocuous is getting on the treadmill is important, but it's not urgent.

And that's what makes it so easy to say, oh, I really need to take care of. this first and then I'll get on the treadmill and then the day goes by and yeah good good What if your boss implement a day you have to track this many steps on your watch before you get your paycheck Yeah

It's funny because Tina's company did that for a month but it wasn't based on your paycheck It was based on your getting a discount on the health insurance benefits If you do this for 30 days and you show it then you get this discount on your health benefits. Yeah, they give you a little tracker, right? They give you a thing that you have to...

Yeah, or they let you use your own. She had the Apple Watch deal. So all she just had to do is forward them the reports from the health app. But yeah. Did she just talk a lot more with her hands? Like, okay. Sitting at her desk, like, swinging our arms back and forth. Nice.

Okay. Taping her watch to the ceiling fan. Yeah, all that stuff. So that's a perfect one that goes in that matrix. It is so important. but it is down the road where that importance plays out and that urgency sort of shows up. So you can't just hope your future you will do it.

You have to decide when to do it, which might mean every day you have to decide when to do it. That is the reason it makes it so hard. Okay, how about quadrant three, which is the not important and urgent. And if you're a pressinate it, you do it. You do when quadrant one is urgent. So you don't wait, you just do the non-important urgent things.

It's all lumped in there, right? I would, this is a very specific example, but I would put world quests in World Warcraft in this spot. They're urgent. They have to get done by a certain time or else you lose the benefits of those in game, but they're not important by any stretch of the imagination. Right. Yeah. That's a good.

That's a good one. I'm trying to think of a real world one, and it's hard, actually. to me to come up with one so not so urgent but not important right what see that that feels oxymoronic to me like I hear that go well how's that possible to be both because it's something with the deadline that the deadline feels important but the but the task itself is not important right important in your long term scheme of things right like so you're trying to impress someone that you kind of hate. Like, I just wish they'd go away, but I need them to think I'm cool.

So they need me to do this thing now. It is not important that this person likes me. But they need it, and I do it anyway. I mean, I don't know. This one's a little harder, which is why the correct use of this quadrant is to delegate it away or to let it go, maybe. Okay. Okay. That one's hard for me.

It's hard for somebody. Can I do my world quests for me? you my log in, just go and... Totally. That's illegal. Ultra axis and... Kick you off your account for that. But, yeah, like...

But again, Brian, so like in your happy playground, that can be taking place over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which it does, of course. Which it does. But there is a time... But because there's a time limit on it, that immediately, for some reason, makes me feel like it's an urgent, but not important. Oh, I got...

You know what? Chat room's got one. Arc Dallas says, um, make a post for your comment. comics. It's promotional, not urgent, but important in the long term. That's a good one. Yeah. Okay. So there are examples of that in my life for sure. And a lot of that could be delegated. That's funny. So this is interesting because I'm really thought about these things before. And I've seen this quadrant thing before. And I just went, ha, ha, procrastination. That's funny. I just kind of blew it off. I'll look at this later.

Yeah. I'll talk to. I probably did. I probably bookmarked it and said, I'll listen. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of all of you. who this is the important not urgent quadrant where you delegate it to the future you how many tabs do you have open right now of something you will read I just added two for you so open those tabs I'm a weirdo with tabs I close I never I hate multiple tabs being open yeah so I cut down I'm like two abs two tabs right now one for the show notes and one for the wait but why dot com thing you sent you did you say waint it's wait I know I know it's a Utah thing. It's more of a dad thing.

Dad taught me. It is your mom thing. When I talked to the other day, she's like, wang! Oh, she did? I'm like, whoa. Brain surgery did not fix the end in and wait. I didn't know. The whole rate, but that was the secret. Nobody knew this, but the reason we sent her in for brain surgery is to fix it was to get that fixed.

Didn't work. Didn't work. Okay. We're going to move on to the last quadrant because this is the one. It's quadrant four and the procrastinator's matrix is not urgent, not important, but it's due now and maybe also just do forever. Can I ask you if Dwight Eisenhower had anything to do with this, or is this a different Eisenhower?

This is Buckethead's Covey's, Stephen Covey's Seven Habits. Oh, it's from that. I think this was what President Eisenhower. Buckethead. Not a fan of Stephen Covey, I take it. You know, I call anyone, that's awful. I was going to say, I call anyone old. Here's what's funny, though.

Here's what's funny. Buckethead feels right to me. So Covey is Utah native, born and raised here. He is a Utah staple. So like, I don't know how far out the Covey Seven Habits, New York Times bestseller stuff. I don't know how far reaching that was on a national scale. It seemed like a big deal, though. It was.

But here, it's an institution because it sprung from here. So everybody in their dog knows who this dude is and knows about all this stuff. And the reason I've seen that quadrant thing before is because I used to work with a guy who worked for Covey. And when he came to work for the company I worked for, he was all day showing these charts and this quadrant thing and everything else. That's the last time I remember seeing this stuff. So calling him Buckethead just feels right because he's like your neighbor. Yeah, he's like our neighbor. Yeah.

No, sorry, that was not nice. He's a nice human, I think. I don't know. He doesn't listen to the show. We're fine. I don't have no he's alive still. He's dead. He died.

He died. Oh, he died. See? I'm talking about the Junior. Junior's running the joint now. His son's doing it and he seems all right too and they seem fine. Okay, the Eisenhower it really is present Eisenhower. Like that's somehow the origin was like he thought of this or

really? Okay. So let's give credit where credit is due. Anyway, so the do now quadrant four, look at it, we're already avoiding talking about the thing. The dark playground. The dark playground. So not important, not urgent,

which would be rest relaxation having a good time right but how many of you listening have done a deep dive into something insane and afterward felt crappy because you wasted a bunch of time right so it's a thing world quest would fall into this one as well has it possible to have two quadrants taken care of by one dumb video game trope i think video games can do all of it like they're So let me give you an example of how your rational self and then your gratifying, instant gratification monkey talk to each other. So this is also in the article, but I'll just read it because it's a perfect example. So the rational part of you says, this is a perfect time to get some work done.

The monkey says, nope, let's watch a bunch of YouTube videos on creatures of the deep sea and then go on to YouTube spiral that takes us through Richard Feynman's talking about string theory and ends with this watch. watching interviews with Justin Bieber's mom. Then we'll reorganize our to-do list. Check sock prices on Amazon and split up our eye photo albums into smaller, more specific albums. By then it'll be two, and we have an appointment at 430, so it's too late to really start any work at that point. That's the gratification monkey in the dark playground.

So there we are. It feels like you've got a bunch of stuff done, doesn't it? It feels like by the time you're done with all that, you're like, oh, look what I got done today. Yeah, which was I got sock prices. I didn't buy them, but I got the prices. And I reorganized my to-do list. I didn't take anything off of them, but.

It's reorganized. So everything in your not important, not urgent, just took over all the other things, right? So then notice what the not procrastinator matrix says in quadrant four, delete it. Right? Like delete it. Yeah. How do we do that? when so much of our, we, and we get so much dopamine from Q4, right? That's where we get our,

ooh, look at what Justin Bieber's mom has to say. Like, how unimportant is that? Like, it couldn't be more unimportant, but you got dopamine for the reason it was clickbait in the first place, right? So now I got dopamine. I've spent a bunch of energy. I don't even know what's in quadrant two or three or one, Right. So that's tricky. So how you get out of it, the article will go on and give you lots of ways to handle this. I still need to think about it because I feel like I don't know. There's also subtypes that are fun to get into. There's the impostinator matrix. And they spend a ton of time in quadrants three and four. And then there's the successinator matrix who does lots of urgent things. feels really good about it you know horrible James Cameron movies yeah basically

really a dark mark that's his dark playground boy I'll tell you what and then real quick this is the sad one the Disastinators Matrix which is you're just living in quadrant four panic monster doesn't get you going

anymore you're just kind of it's just depression time I feel like is it always well hmm can it be a can it be a happy place like I know some people have gotten like you know, to a place where they used to be this like quadrant one person or the, you know, just all the urgent and all the important all the time.

And if it wasn't happening, he was on it and he'd get there. But then he hit a certain, I don't know, age or stage or something. Yeah. Just went. Yeah. Called your endocrine system. It stops doing it for you. He just quit caring.

Now he's in quadrant four and seems quite happy there. Like it doesn't seem to bother him that he's just sort of hanging out there. is that a possible outcome that it's that person's happy okay you can't be in quadrant one all the time you have to go to quadrant four but think of what the difference is and you know the difference when you have taken care of some important things and you feel good about the voice in your head that's telling you you suck and you're lazy and you're never going to have a 401k or whatever can it quiets down yeah right and then you can go to quadrant four and have a happy playground. Our problem is the happy playground turns into the dark playground when it's used

to medicate or sue the way all the things that, you know, those voices are saying because you didn't accomplish any of the things. And one big caveat, if we were in a different side of the world and planet maybe, this accomplishing and doing is a frame of mind that is just so Western and so toxic anyway, right? Which is, well, I'm only good if I do, right? And so that's that's some of the debunking of all of this from a psychological perspective. It's like those voices didn't come out of nowhere. They were trained in us and whether from our own families or the culture we grew up in or even just the way school operates. I mean, I look at my my middle schooler who sitting on my couch with his feet up eating Cheetos while listening to a class. And I think he's

skipped right to college like what's happening so i don't know where this goes but i do wonder if there's a if there's some magical thing that could come out of this where there is some maybe flexibility in the due accomplishment brain i remember resenting i remember extra resenting high school time when i started taking college courses and realized that it was such a relaxed affair like it's so much different like in high school it was like set up don't you gum you're walking too fast you're going to attention buddy like all this stuff constantly bam bam bam bam and then you get there and you go oh i can sort of not even come to this class if i don't feel like it and also like it's just such a change to make those decisions on your own boy everything feels so optional our instant

gratification monkeys go crazy right because suddenly you get to control these things that weren't controlled for you. But then people go, well, why am I now 42? And I still can't. It's because the instant gratification monkey was sort of never, you kept following it around, right? Like there has to be some shift. And that's, you know,

and that's why it's a billion dollar industry to tell people how to be productive, right? It's because we all struggle with this because every one of us has the same basic brain structures. Some of us just don't get dragged as far along by the instant gratification monkey, others do, you know? Yeah. So anyway, I don't really know any of the answers.

I just thought it'd be fun to talk about. Yeah, it's fun. So wait, all this, we don't have a solution. There's no point of it. Being aware of it is the part of the solution. That's my answer to everything. Okay, so we're in quadrant two on that, the awareness quadrant, right? Wouldn't you say?

Yeah. We're, it's important. It's important, but not urgent. That's what we just did today. So what we need to do is to delegate. it to, are we going to decide, not delegate it to some future us? We need to decide when are we going to deal with our procrastination. Yeah. And I want to call, what do you call him, instant gratification monkey? Yeah. I want to call him masturbation gibbon. Can I call him that?

Because for some reason, when you say that I picture like an old nature documentary with some horny monkey in a tree and that's all he does all day. That's kind of what you're describing is one of those guys. Well, let's, let's just take this from an evolutionary standpoint for a second. What does a monkey need to do to be successful? Reproduce, eat, and calculate the perfect arc of throwing feces to be able to hit the, yeah, maintain its position in the culture, which includes sometimes just impulsive, everything. Everything's impulsive. So we are not so far. That's true of so many, it's true of so many animals, right? It's so much about impulse and instinct and everything else.

But there's something about what a monkey's doing it because we look at a monkey and go, eh, it's got opposable thumbs and it's us. It's kind of us. It's a hairy us, right? It's a hairy us. You gave a monkey a giant prefrontal cortex. They are us. Yeah.

And that's our difference. So our prefrontal cortex is fighting all the time against this monkey. Yeah. But we tend to make, we tend to hamstring it because we have also figured out how to give ourselves dopamine without any effort, right? We can just push buttons. We can open a snack bag. I mean, you know, we've, we've just followed that monkey pretty far.

Yeah, we like that rat with the cheese button. Just keep pushing that button. Got to get that cheese hit. All right. Well done. Always fun. And we'll do this next week. And for those asking, I've had a lot of people out of that.

during the week how our mother's doing she's doing she's doing good she's mostly annoyed when people visit her and don't bring food uh that's main she is that chick fillet yeah she is starving in there well it's just healthy food but she is like sneaking you name it every time i've talked to she's got a mouthful of some kind of local fast food yeah it's kind of not great i mean because i don't think these are good habits for her return home but like misha showed up there yesterday i think it was with no with no fast food this time and she was all mad at it's the first thing she said where's the food you're bringing your food perfect yeah she's hungry it's like a forced diet that's like killing her um but here's what's great when i saw her her swelling was almost

completely gone and she looks great she it was hilarious she knows everything about everyone in there yeah she's like well there's this guy he's got a silver ponytail he's worked here for 25 years. He lives a couple blocks away. He walks to work every day. I'm like, mom, do they know you're listening? She's like, and it's, and you can imagine when you're working around 83-year-olds who had brain surgery, you're not overly cautious with what you're saying. But mom has memorized everyone's entire life. It's freaky. So I, I'm going to warn you, if you work there, people, drop your mouth. My mom is listening. She's telling me, and I'm now sharing it with everyone on this show. Yeah, why not? She'll never hear it. Here's the funny thing, though. The other

when I was in there and I brought her some food. I didn't tell me on this story, but a guy came in toward the end of my visit, and that was kind of my cue to get out of there, but they had somebody who showed up who said he was the spiritual consultant at the hospital. Like St. Marks has like a whole political consultancy thing,

and it's like non-denominational, but they just are, they wanted to see how you're, you know, how are you feeling emotionally and spiritually and all this sort of stuff? So he was telling her that and going, so that's what we do we're here to you know just see if you have any any needs and she goes did you bring any nuggets he's like he's like looking at me like what does that mean and I just laughed I'm like oh my gosh mom

freaking yes but they're spiritual yeah she gives no she's all out of poop to give spirit yeah that's hilarious I don't think mom gives a crap anymore about anything she just wants the nugget she just want nuggets she wants it it does have an addictive substance that makes you crave it fortnight I have to say it's slow. I have to say it slow so I don't try and do a terrible accent. You need to end it with jackass or whatever it is. Smartars or whatever he says. All right.

Good stuff as always. Check out RealSteps.org. Everybody, while you're in the mood for improving your life because there's lots of that going on. Anything else you want to say about that? We're good. Anything else? Yeah. Do it.

Yeah. I don't know. Enjoy your lives. And try seeing in a blizzard. I highly recommend it. Yeah, sing in a blizzard, everybody, because you're going to, it's going to happen. And if you work at Blizzard Entertainment, sing there. Just sing right in the office.

We'll see you later. By now. All right. Excellent. That's good stuff. It was good. These procrastinus matrixes, though, remind me of Windows, and that stresses me out. Windows, like, Windows, like Microsoft Windows, yeah.

Like original windows, horrible colors. Yeah, I don't like it either. I want a prettier version of this. This is really ugly. Yes. Big, thick, blocky lines, crappy font. It's not good. But I will procrastinate ever making my own.

All right. Brian, we're going to leave now and call it good. Now, here's the deal. Tomorrow, we're going to do TMS PM a little early, about a half an hour early. Brian's got some plans. Because of me. Yep. So it's only half an hour.

Be there at three instead of 3.30 bount time. It's a birthday present that Tina's unaware of. Right. Is me ending, or is doing TMSPM early. So blame me. Blame me. Blame Brian. B, B, B, B, is what we say. So that'll be tomorrow, and we are doing one, though.

So come on back and be a part of that. I think Dan will be on. That'll be fun. I want to talk to him about a game called The Captain is Dead. Oh, yeah. Which I also just got digitally, and so I'm really curious about his take on the board game. So we'll talk about all that tomorrow on TMSPM. I've played it.

Oh, you have, have you? Mm-hmm. The tabletop version. Oh, very nice. That's what I want to get is a take from you and him on whether these are, well, I mean, I guess you'd have to play the digital to know, but I'm just curious how adherent it is to the original. I don't know. The art styles were really cool, and I'm totally digging it so far, but. That's cool.

Is it on mobile or Steam or what? Steam. I think it's on other stuff that I got it on Steam. I don't think it's on mobile. The Capon. I could only hear it as flight of the concords, their humans are dead. Talk about Zardt. I love that one. I do too.

That's it. Patreon.com slash TMS is how you get that extra show a week plus bonus content every day. Go check it out. And also, if you need everything else, just to contact us or whatever, go to frogpants. com slash TMS. Let's get out of here with some music. Brian, what do you have? Yes.

Yanni wrote in and said, hi. I'm sorry, Laurel. Oh, I see what you did. Said, hi, guys. I'd like to make a song request for on or around my birthday. February 1st, I've been a real 90s music mood, in a real 90s music mood, and Weezer's Blue album was a big one for me, so any cover song from that album would be great, you are awesome, thanks for the good vibes all these years, signed Laurel.

You're in luck because a couple years ago, 2019, as part of the Sounds Delicious Turntable Kitchen series, Jen Champion recorded a track-by-track cover. of Weezer's Blue Album. And it's excellent. It's so good. She's got such a unique sound, kind of, not EDM,

but electronic influenced and really clear vocals with a lot of reverb and stuff. I don't know. It's, I totally dig it. So she did the whole blue album in 2019 as part of this gen champion. So rather than do something like Buddy Holly or in the garage, let's do this one. This is No One Else by Gen Champion from the Blue Album.

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