The Morning Stream - TMS 2096: Joaquin Phreezer

Episode Date: April 12, 2021

Are These Tacos Racist? Sorry we took your land. Here, have a taco. Chicken Legs & Ostrich Nuts. No Way Your Name is Kevin. Eff You, I Shan't Say Flamingo. Grumpy Old Tumors. It scared you because it vibrated. The Symptoms. I don't like Speakeeeezee Beeeez. This show is full of idioms, but not spelled the same. How do you play Strip Go Fish? That's right he didn't have a unit. Freeloading Freefeeders. Making Deals With Bill. Hail Hydration with Stephen. Naan doesn't bend and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, are these tacos racist? Sorry we took your land. Here, have a taco. Oh, that's connected. Chicken legs and ostrich nuts. No way your name is Kevin. F you, I shan't say flamingo. Grumpy old tumors.

It scared you because it vibrated. The symptoms. I don't like speakeasy bees. This show is full of idioms, but not spelled the same. How do you play strip go fish? That's right. He didn't have a unit. Freeloading free feeders.

Making deals with Bill. None doesn't bend and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Hey, can see Flamingo? Thank you. You flew into the octopus star center. Now all I have is a mission. This is the morning stream. Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to TMS. It's the morning stream for more, what is it, April 12th, 2021. Scott Johnson and Brian Abbott here. Hello, Brian.

That's right. Hello, Scott. So we found his keyword. He found his trigger word to say the F word. Boy, not just the F word, but the, you know, the FU, the whole. Yeah, the whole smear. And the thing is, we're really struggling to find it. For his mom, it was frog and frog off and things like that when she was his age. Yeah. So we finally found it. It's the word flamingo. Here, I'll play it again. Hey, can you say flamingo? There you go.

It just sounds like he's saying, no. F off. I'm not saying the flamingo. It's funny, though, right? Like, you have you? That's the other funny thing. I don't know if this is all kids, but because everyone's saying,

can you say chicken? Can you say hinting it? So the voice is always going, burp-b-b-b-b-b-b-p. He now, everything he says is, no matter what it is. the intonation as well as the right yeah like if he's showing you his dinosaur he doesn't go dino he goes dino yeah it's pretty great anyway uh hey we're back everybody we hope you had a nice

weekend and uh happy to report that i had really no COVID uh second shot problems it's just tired just sleepy and that may have been honestly I mean how can I even say for sure that that wasn't just me being tired, you know, it may not have been anything. Well, you know, there's something to that, though, because I've felt tired since March of 2020. So maybe there's something to that, Scott. Maybe. Maybe we're all just a little tired. But yeah, I didn't have any weirdness. I was talking to my brother-in-law last night. I'd forgot. I didn't forget, but he got full-blown COVID some six months ago. And because we didn't see him, you know, you're not directly involved with it, so you don't really know what happened. But I guess it got really bad.

He went to the ER, couldn't breathe. Like, it was bad. He told me at one point he thought he was going to die. And I didn't know that. And that just took me off guard last night. I'm like, holy shite. So the reason that came up is he said, he was saying, oh, you got your shots. I said, yeah, my other one was on Friday or whatever.

And he goes, he goes, oh, yeah, we're still trying to decide if we're going to what we're going to do. And I thought, wait, I know him. He's not going to not get a, he's not a vaccine, anti-vaxxer or anything. I'm like, what are you even talking about? Plus, you've had it. your antibodies are probably about about up you know it's time to do it and he said uh i'm just really hesitant to to to feel that way again and i said really says yeah it was the worst he's never he's never felt anything that bad in his life it's the worst the worst condition

he's good now though everything's good he does say he says he never he's never quite breathe the same uh which is a bummer right yeah you don't want to hear that but they they say that, well, but they say that some of those symptoms, symptoms take a long time. The Simpsons. Some of those symptoms take a long time to go away. I made you spit take, didn't I? Wow, yeah. Literally, some

of it got out. On the floor, Brian timed that perfectly. Well done. That made me laugh. Yeah, some of them just go on forever. We're retracted symptoms, man. But he'll be all right. He's doing good. We got to see my mom last night. She's all, shot it up and good to go she's got more energy and movement and like laughter and stuff than she ever did before this brain surgery we're starting to be convinced that for the last 12 years that

that that tumor was making her kind of grumpy and yeah they rewired something while they were in there yeah it's really good she's so just upbeat and and just like positive and moving around like all this new energy freaking 82 we're just rocking it just making us real happy so had a fun night, but I got this question for you. Yeah. Are the tacos I ate racist? Now I'll give you some background. I'll need it.

My sister decided that she was going to make. And this, by the way, was an exciting moment because everybody is vaccinated. Cool. And so it was a first time for us to get together in some form with full, you know, with everybody being vaccinated. And or living on late stage antibodies. of actually catching the disease six months ago or four months ago whatever was so anyway we're all there together and it's great it's not too many people but enough to have a good nice time my sister and her kids and their kids and all that and uh we decided to have Navajo tacos okay okay

now people have heard of these a lot of fairs you know like you'll like go to a fair a local county fair or something they'll have a stand that will sell Navajo tacos there's a there's a Navajo Taco place here in Denver that is good enough and big enough, popular enough, that it was on the travel channel or food network or something like that. Ooh, that sounds good. I bet there. Yeah, I've never been there. I don't know why, but we need to go there and check it out.

Probably better, well, what we had last night was okay, but it was probably better than what we had. It was all pretty thrown together. I don't think we really know what we're doing when it comes to the true Navajo Taco. But here's the question. As I was eating these, it always involves. like fried fried bread thing for the bottom and then you can put beans and Kim made pulled pork for it and then you put the other stuff on it and whatever and you kind of make this it's more like

a toastado almost and less of a taco I guess you can bend them and get them in taco form but anyway there's no way that there's really there was ever really a Navajo taco you know what I mean like there's no like back in the Navajo nation times when they were a proud people and we hadn't come screwed them over yet they didn't have like it's taco night you guys we're having taco like this is a made up thing right we all didn't we just made this up i know i think it's i think it's something that you know every um every culture has their fried bread food right yeah and and then they just top it with stuff so like you know or they fill it with something so you know if you got your um your dumplings and your i guess it's more like

like fried pasta, but, um, right, but I mean, they're, they're, you know, there are quite a few different things like that. I don't doubt at all that, uh, that they would fry, they make their basically, it's the fried bread or fry bread with stuff on top of it. Well, here's, here's, here's a, here's some information that I found that I want to share with. Okay. All right. So maybe I'm going to get educated here. Well, I don't know. Actually, we, me, me as well, but fry bread is, is, is main, is the main thing here. So when, when people call them a Navajo taco or an Indian taco or whatever, they're referring to this. No one says Indian taco anymore, I don't think.

No. And maybe there's an actual taco in India that prefers the title. Maybe. Yeah, like a curry taco or something. That sounds really good. Oh, that sounds all right, doesn't it? Carried meat, curried meat, and a taco. It's funny, we had both tacos, toastadas, and curry this weekend.

So it all sounds good. It sounds really good. Plus, a non would be your taco shell, you know. Your Eastern Indian, right. And that stuff doesn't bend. You'd have to. Oh, I could eat it for days. Actually, no, non bends.

It's the crispy stuff that you get. There's like the crispy non that you can get. Oh, is there a crisp? I didn't know about no crispy non. Where have I been? I don't know what's called, though, but it's, they have it at the yak and yanny. Well, all right. So here's what it says.

Anyway, it's okay. The history of it, according to Navajo tradition, fried bread was created in 1864 using flour, sugar, salt, and lard, and was given to them by the United States government when the Navajo, who were living in Arizona, were forced to make a 300-mile journey known as the Long Walk and relocate to Bosque-Rinaldo, New Mexico. On to that land that could not easily support their traditional staples of vegetation and beans. New Mexican cuisine style soapapias and share, let's see, and also share the origin due to Pueblo's And Hispanos, they say here from New Mexico, having a similar sustenance at the time.

So boarding schools also helped to spread fry bread as Native American diets. So we did bring it up. 1864 is like not that, you know, that was like we were there being dicks. And we said, hey, I know you can't grow your corn here, but don't worry, you can just fry this bread. This is good stuff. Interesting. Yeah. That's really interesting.

So I didn't realize that even the fry bread has, has, um, uh, well, they don't teach us the stuff in school, man. No, they really don't. No. We had a Navajo staying with us. Tristan's girlfriend is Navajo. She stayed with us and, uh, we never really talked about any of this stuff. I mean, she may not know the history of it.

So, yeah. But, um, and there is a, I mean, the controversy, I guess is, well, there's a whole section here. It says controversy. He says, it is often associated with traditional Native American cuisine. Some Native American chefs respect it as a symbol of colonialism, or reject it, rather. Indigenous chef Sean Sherman calls it everything that isn't Native American food, writing that it represents perseverance and pain, ingenuity, and resilience. It reminds me of when the Army brought all the spam to the islands to the Pacific Islands during the war, and now spam is part of everything. Hawaii just loves it.

Hawaii can't get enough of Spanasuvian stuff, right? Yeah. And we, look, Utah, literally named after the Ute Indians. Okay, that's the name of our state. I felt like I had a really good, relatively good education growing up about Native American studies and just kind of generally pretty good. But in this one case, I don't, all I know is I'd go to a fair and there'd be Navajo tacos and we'd all get excited and eat them.

And that's all I thought about it. So, yeah. Very interesting. All right, well, there you go. For those who didn't know that, Utah, based on the Utes. That's why... The more you know. That's why...

I mean, it's kind of like French fries, right? How, you know, they're modeled after Belgian frites. And we just attribute them to the French, and even the French didn't really have anything to do with them. Yeah. Well, I will say this. I had two, and I regret it. Okay?

That's awesome. They were good. They were good enough. I won't say they were very... They weren't, like, fantastic, but they... they got the job done. Yeah, the more, you know, nice. Good job, all band kind.

Well done. Make better a show title. The youths, like, that's why it's controversial here, where people want to change the University of Utah's team from the Uts to the fighting Uts to something else out of sensitivity for Native American stuff, but they, they argue, or some have argued, well, no, we're just like, it's Utah, Uts,

like, the whole state's named after, an Indian tribe or a Native American tribe and they don't want us to change it. I don't know. It's complicated, man. All I know is there weren't enough beans, okay? Back to the point. Not enough beans.

All right, we got an email from Frank Whirl. Whirl? Wurl. Frank Whirl. Will you say Whirl? I would say Whirl. Yeah, W-H-E. Yeah, because you wouldn't do the Whirl.

Yeah, Whirl. What a wonderful whirl. He says this. he sent this email to the morning stream at gmail.com is our email address and he said dear shredded wheat

and banana nut crunch he's a serial defender he says okay all right I've been listening to your recent discussions and criticisms of grape nuts

sorry I just saw that guy again in my head I know you wanted to do you wanted to do it I don't know how to do his voice I don't know how to do it

but angry letter yeah anyway he says I've been waiting on someone to speak up and defend this bastion of my youth. Well, I blame your parents if that was a bastion of your youth. But anyway. But not, sorry, since no one

has done it yet, I suppose I'll have to. I grew up with grape nuts. There's a reason nobody's done it yet. Yeah, because they're eating rocks, dude. That's why no one's done it. Yes. So I grew up with grape nuts in the house as a kid, mostly due to my mother who infrequently ate it

when not rushing out the front door in the mornings. I think I liked it, though heavily drowning it in sugar. well he's really going to bat for this isn't he yeah i think i liked it but i had to bury it in sugar to see if it was okay yeah anyway says he did it mostly for the texture no you did it for the taste as well you just didn't know it for the sugar taste yeah yeah after having to wait 10 minutes for the milk to soak in yes it's one of those rare instances where the cereal tastes the better

soggy than fresh yeah because it's grape nuts yeah because it will break something in your mouth if you don't let it that's here's the thing if you have to drown it in sugar and wait for it to get soft in milk for 10 minutes uh maybe that's not a good cereal yeah this is a terrible argument so far your honor i protest your honor i implore you your honor this is a terrible defense all right it says goes on say let's see boom damn oh i i don't really buy it much anymore but everyone everyone's in a blue moon uh i'll pick up a box and it'll remind it'll remind me of my mother passed away far too early at the age of 59 that is too early 59's too early don't be dying so early everybody everybody live longer um and then i have to finish it so no one else in my house

will touch the stuff oh because no one else will uh yeah really this is a terrible defense by the way i know uh i know i'm not really giving a ringing endorse ringing endorsement here um but i thought i would share the rest of the story he says i appreciate the laughs you guys bring to us in these weird days keep it up frank well frank you haven't convinced me i'm still still firmly in the camp of I don't want to eat your your freaking aquarium rocks. Thank you very much. Yeah. You didn't do it.

I mean, okay, if you use it as a, as texture for a bowl of yogurt, right? You're not having a bowl of grape nuts. You're having a bowl of yogurt and you're sprinkling some grape nuts on there for texture. That's one thing. But if you're dedicating, you're saying, all right, biggest item in the bowl is grape nuts. Apparently the second biggest item in the bowl is sugar. Yeah. And then the milk to turn it into a sludge.

To liquefy it, yeah. Yeah, you're not selling me at all. Nope, nope. Your client, you owe your client legal fees for your terrible defense of your client. Your client being grape nuts. So well done. Hey, I heard you got to see Barry Ann and Bobby Fulks. I did, yes.

They left just a little bit ago right before the show started to head to the airport. but Barry and Bobby Ann were our guests last night. Actually, they stayed with us, but they took us out for an incredible meal over at the Wolf's Taylor. Oh, nice. Tell me about this menu real quick. Brian sends this menu over, and it looked like... Oh, well, that's a different place.

Oh, all right, all right. The Wolf's Taylor is a restaurant where you, again, because of COVID, they put these up last year, and they're like yurts, they're tents, like safari tents. Okay. And you've got one all to yourself. And they just keep bringing you food. They peek in, see if you need anything.

There's a little fireplace in there and lights and decorations and stuff on the wall. And they just keep bringing us, you know, bringing us food and amazing stuff. Sounds fantastic. Yeah, I'd be into that. Yes. And wine pairings with each course and octopus and curry and a duck leg. And I was all, it was all amazing. Strange combination, but all right.

It is. Now, even though they gave us dessert, you know, we have this thing, just about every time we go out to dinner with the folks, we go out and get dessert afterwards. And so, indeed, we did. And last time they were here, I took him to this place called the Little Man ice cream shop, which is like the Willy Wonka of ice cream shops. There's pullies and cables and ice cream zipping around all over the ceiling is going by and, you know, bubbling machines that don't do anything. this machine over here that has a little zap Tesla. I love stuff like that. That's great. Stuff like that. Was it run by a little like Peter Dinklage

looking guy or no? Would it be great if it was? Yeah, no. There's no little man. I don't, we've never seen a little man there, but maybe there is somewhere. But instead we said, oh, we got another place when I take you. It's called Frozen Matter. And this is close to downtown. It's an ice cream shop. And you walk in typical ice cream shop, right? You've got your display case full of ice creams. And and accoutrements and cones and things like that. And then off in the corner is the walk-in freezer.

And you say, oh, I'd like to check out the walk-in freezer. And she says, yep, go ahead. And you go to the walk-in freezer. And there's a light switch. You flick the light switch, and then you wait. And you stand back. The door opens. The freezer door opens.

And a guy says, yeah, can I see your IDs? And you show me your IDs. And then he walks you back to a speakeasy that's hidden behind the ice. stream shop. No way. That's awesome. And you basically walk through the walk-in freezer. You used to walk-through freezer at that point. Sure. And this place, and I sent you the menu from this

place, I care of the, because the speakeasy does have a different name. Well, it says bartender's choice. Is that the name? No, it's something like spectral speakeasy or something like that. Oh, interesting. And but the restaurant, or the bar is it's like the film sack of bars every drink is named after

a really bad movie I love it complete with the logo from that really bad movie so yeah look they're using fonts and everything like the lawnmower man the eraser head the brain dead whatever that's amazing yeah Bobby Ann had the Hollywood chainsaw hooker

which was delicious the wicker man has an herbal floral St. George Terwa Jin tell me that is honey or something in it, right? It's got to have honey in it. Yep, it's got honey. Of course. Bees, bees. Might have to be bees. Might it have to be bees. Um, and then on the wall, they've just got projected one garbage movie after another. And it just keeps, you know, showing dumb movies. It's like, oh, I don't know what this is. I had to look it up. But the movie that was playing last night while we were drinking was, um, let's see if I can find it. It's Agency of Vengeance, Dark Rising. Wow. Wow. And it looked like something, that we should watch for film sack. It looked, you know, it's demons fighting, but like teenagers fighting demons and, uh, uh, it looked.

Get it's on that list. That sounds like one for us. Yeah. I mean, we may, it may, there, you know, there are things that are just too bad for film sack. And this might be one of them. But if you even pull up the movie poster, you'll see what it's trying to be. That's awesome. Anyway, so, uh, yeah, so we had our drinks there and then came back and, uh, and crashed for the night.

But it was a great evening. It was a lot of fun. These guys are great. I miss seeing them. I'm jealous. I couldn't have been there. I'd love to see those guys. They're glad there.

So their daughter's going back from, or no, she's doing a semester near home or something, right? Something like that? Yeah. Well, she goes to college here in Fort Collins up at CSU. Yeah. And this was a just a visiting her trip as opposed to a taking her trip, taking her there bringing her back, but he'll be back in the fall and we'll see him again when they pass through again. Yeah, heck yeah. Go get

some more chicken legs mixed with ostrich nuts or whatever you do. Right. But Barry and I wore a matching hey girl t-shirts from that TMS play date with the draw the t-shirt drawing game. Did you plan to wear them? Did you? Was it a Yes. Well, he told me he was wearing his and so I surprised him in war mine today. Oh, you're like a couple of school girls. I love this. This is awesome. Oh, you couple of school girls.

Yeah. That's great. Well, Barry and Bobby Ann, I hope you have a safe trip the rest of your way. Did they drive or fly or what was their deal? They flew, but they're driving to the airport right now, so I'm sure they're listening to you talk about them right now. Here you go. To us talk about them. Here you go, Barry.

All right, enjoy. Jill. Do I have a, I don't have a Bobby Ann clip or I'd play it? Right. Maybe I do. Do you have a Bobby clip? Bobby? I'm sure you've got a Hank Hill Bobby clip.

Okay, that's not it. Bob is hungry. Nope. But I never get to bond with Bobby on account of he's not good at much. Yeah, but it's a he reference. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, I should like to welcome you. That's Bob Barker.

That's Bob Hope. I mean it, Bob. I can't find a good one. I have a lot of Bob. Oh, wait, here we go. Wake up, Bobby. There you go. Wake up, Bobby.

It's time we get on the road. I'm full of octopus. and chicken legs. All right. We're going to, what are we going to do now? We're going to call Brian Dunaway, talk to him,

play a little game, win some prizes for contestants, all that stuff. You guys are going to want to call us. 801-47-1062 is the number. And if you call in, you can't participate and be a potential winner today.

And in today's edition of Babel Royale, which begins now. Welcome to Babbo Royale, a twice weekly thing we do on TMS to try to win some prizes for a listener and have some fun with our good pal, Brian Dunaway, who's on the phone right now. Hi, Brian. Oh, hi, Scott and Brian. Hi, how about a heck are you? Are we here to have fun or what? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Are you at work right now? Are you at work? Your work, right? Yeah. Why would you want where else I be? I'm trying to dock you. It's a freaking Monday and it's not even. It's a freaking Monday and it's not even. a holiday, of course.

I'm at work. You're a working man. All my lunch break, need not worry anyone. I take my lunch break from about 11.30, 8 minutes ago until 1230. Oh, very nice. Well, I'm glad that we destroy your entire lunch break with this silly game. Matt, what else am I going to do? I just eat a sandwich and I wait for you guys to call.

It's a good life. I'm happy to hear it. We have a listener on the line who is going to participate with us. They've been holding very patiently to find out who it is. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hey, it's Stephanie. Stephanie.

Yeah. From up north in Madison, Milwaukee, Madison. Madison. Madison, Wisconsin. No. Yes. No, your dog's in me. I was going to do your street address and zip next, but we'll save that for a different day.

Scott's the worst. I am the worst. I do it accidentally all the time. That's for the blackmail. There you go. Hey, it's good to have you here, and we're happy to be playing with you again. And we're going to do that shortly. But, Brian, first, you must explain these rules and tell Stephanie what she might win.

Well, okay. Stephanie, I'm going to be giving Scott and Brian a topic. They're going to go back and forth giving me answers that fit that topic. If one of them gives a wrong answer, it's going to come up a lot. A repeated answer or it takes too long to come up with an answer. That'll happen too. The win will go to the other player. Your job is to predict who's going to come out on top based on the topic.

Today, you are playing for a prize package from Scott. including a mad max mystery figurine mad max figurine road a frog pants print pack and a deck of scott johnson naked playing cards oh i guess just regular playing cards just regular old ass playing cards with naked people in them so it'll be but you can choose to be naked or not i'm confused what is naked yeah how you play them is completely entirely up to you exactly completely up to you if you strip poker go fish i don't care whatever work for all of those games yeah well you better make sure you get that right before you end up at a kid's game.

That's right. There's a much of those. Don't do that. Okay, all right, right. Learn your lesson. Yeah. All right. All right.

Your topic. Go fish, grandma. Oh, back in 1965, we started teaching small children how to perform surgery. And that was because of a game called Operation and a dude

called Cavity Sam, who laid on the table and you had to pull little pieces out of his body without touching the metal with the little picker-upper's or his nose would light up. I didn't have a name.

It would do more than just light up. The whole thing would shake. Vibrate and that noise is just horrible. There are 13, as of 2003 or 2014, 13 different parts of cavity

Sam that you can remove I want to know how many of those you can name. This isn't, you're right, this is an insane topic. I came up with this like, you know, half an hour before the show, I think, oh, this would be a fun one. This is going to be a really good one. I'm really interested in this, but if I remember correctly, it was like, it wasn't just like straight up stuff.

So how close we have to be? I will be generous because I have to be generous. Right, right. If you can describe the people. piece or even tell me what part of the body it came from, then that might be enough. I give you a description without going into the body. So, like, if I was to say, you know, like remove a head of hair, it might be called curly cues or something. Right, exactly.

So as long as they had silly names. Yep, exactly. As Glockmar says, they were full of idioms. Now you go. Yeah, this show is full of idioms, but it's spelled different. exactly all right so stephanie hearing the topic who do you feel good about on this one and who do you want to go first if i fake an irish accent and pretend to be clear gack can i win either way you know what i'm going to call that that's calling out brian ibbett for being soft on claire gack that

one it is it totally is yeah deserved deserved i don't know can you do a good accent not that he's going to do it but can you do a good accent Like, I want to kind of hear... Oh, yeah, really, before we even make any decisions on it. Oh, that's amazing. You did it. You nailed it. Don't get those away for free, man.

Get something in return. It's an Irish person giving birth, it sounds like, I think. Is that you carrying your gold away? Is that... Yeah, that's the Irish... Yeah, they carry their gold away. Pot of gold. Going away, be lucky charms.

All right. All right. Anyway, who do you want to go first? Yeah. I definitely think Donaway is just selecting more confidence, so I will say he wins, and I guess I will have Scott go first. All right. Okay.

I like this plan. And you're right to assume I have less confidence in this, because I didn't even know the guy had a name. Cavity, what is it? Cavity, Sam. It's not like, it's funny, it's a name that's been given to him over the years or whatever. I don't think it's even in the instructions or on the box that he's...

Interesting. That he's, his name is Cavity Sam, but it's like his unofficial name. There's a fun fact, by the way. The guy who created it, what is his name? Marvin Glass sold the rights. No, I'm sorry, John Spinello, who was created the game, University of Illinois, industrial design student,

sold his rights to the game to Marvin Glass, Milton Bradley for $500. And just recently, could, not afford an operation of his own. Oh, irony. But that game was the old as dirt. How is, this guy's got to be like 120, right? How is he? How is this thing? It's not that old. We created in

65, I mean. Really? I thought it was earlier than that. Okay. It's pretty new. By time standards, pretty new. All right. I'm going to start with well, hold on. The commercial, the lady,

the, don't try to overthink. No, I have to. I don't know what else to do. They say something about a don't touch his funny bone, so funny. There you go. That is actually one of the ones he always did in the commercial. Yeah, but they're not. But if you're not to touch the funny bone, then that's not something you're going to remove then, right? Don't touch it too hard. Don't touch his funny bone.

Is it his funny bone? It is his funny bone. Yeah, it is a weird, it is a weird thing in the commercial, right? Because they do say, don't touch his funny bone. Or maybe we're remembering it differently. Oh, maybe one of this. Definitely being in the commercial. Well, Funny Bone was in the commercial, but did they say don't touch his funny bone? I'm going to find the commercial.

Why would they say that when that's completely the opposite of the game is played? That's why I'm asking. Don't touch the size or something like that. Try the new game Monopoly. Make sure you go to jail. Spend as much time as you can in jail. That's why I ask. It's my property.

I know the mom comes down and says, may I play and all that? Well, here, here, I got, here's some audio. Let's hear this together. It's my turn to operate. Are you going to see names of parts? Oh, that's a good question.

I'll pause it. I don't want to see names of the parts. Ooh, that's a, ooh. Here, you know what? I'll hide the tab. Let me do this. Oh, I'm feeling a little bit. Here I'm going to hide the tab

and not look anywhere near even though I can't see it. Here we go. Did I have Butterfingers? Why are they British kids? Is this British kids? It's Operation, the Mad Doctor's Game. Take out his spare ribs to $100.

Hold on, hold on that. All right. You can't. Never mind. I didn't realize they were going to say a bunch of names. It's out. It gets gone. What did you think they were going to do?

I don't know. I win no matter what. It's so actually. All right. So spare ribs we can. He just said it. The kid just said it. It's not my fault you played it.

It's not my fault you just gave the answer away. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm not. I think you can't sign a turn yet. Wait, did I say, did I say, did I say Funny Bone and did that count? Yeah. Funny Bone counted.

You got the first point, yes. I am good. Why not? I'm going to allow spare ribs because what the hell is Scott doing playing video? That's your own dumb fault. Of that during the show. I just wanted to hear how he says the funny bone. I didn't know they made references.

We'll pull up the commercial afterwards. Somebody work on finding the like the timestamp of Don't Touches. Funnybone if you can. And then we'll play that after. Also, I don't think that's. That was a British version of the commercial. I don't think it's the same one we used to see, so I don't know. But anyway, all right.

Definitely wasn't. Let's do, well, I'm pretty sure they took his heart out, right? They did. Yeah, I'll give that to you. It was a broken heart. It was a heart shape with a crack going through it. Because it's clever. By the way, the term broken heart refers to an emotional feeling in which someone is very sad

or a reason, such as a breakup with a romantic partner. Thank you for explaining that. Who do you think Sam was going out with that broke his heart? I don't know. But it was somebody who was obviously very disappointed by his lack of genitalia. Yeah. He didn't, that's right. He didn't have a unit.

He's naked on the operating table and there's. There's no peen-peen. Hey, don't know I. Don't say penis because it's not there. And he's got a really bad haircut. Yeah. Besides the funny bone, which I always went for, always went

for the horse The horse? Yeah the horse Because it was so freaky Because it was so skinny Across the middle It was so weird Yep

They just say of course After we said the horse Of course this horse Yes the Charlie horse A small horse That makes sense You're the hip joint A sudden spasm in the leg

Or foot that can be cured By massage or stretching I would have never know what the crap that was when I was a kid, though. Charlie horse? What is that? Charlie horse. Now it makes me laugh. This reminds me of that two point hospital game I've been playing recently where all the stuff like your patients have.

It's basically like a hospital tycoon game. But the illnesses are like lightheadedness, but it's dudes with light bulbs in their heads. Yeah, of course. Can you play the commercial after we are? I'll go ahead and do that. I'll go ahead and do that. All right. Let's do.

I'm just trying to look at him. He looks so distrable. on that table. Also, I don't think he was under any sort of anesthesia. I think he was... Clearly not. Yeah. Let's do...

But he did seem to be like a bit of a lush. Are you looking at a picture of him with like all the cutaway holes of where... No, no. I just can... Oh, you're visualizing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

I remember him being such a lush, though, with it, big old red nose. Yeah, I know. He's a drinker. Well, the nose was part of the indicator, right? It would buzz when you... The nose was the... Light up and buzz up. I remember thinking...

I mean, here we go. We're going to electrocute kids into being surgeons, really, is what it is. I really wish it would have really electrocute you a little bit. I mean, it scared you because it vibrated, but man. Yeah, it was implied electrocution because of the feeling of your tweezers picking up parts, touching that thing. Yeah. Do you have a little, I have a memory of the toy having a little plastic wishbone. Do you have a wishbone?

Yeah. Say wishbone, there you go. It is a wishbone, similar to that of a chicken located on the left side of the chest. The first furcula, furcula, which is a bone found in birds and other animals. We don't have one, right? Humans don't. No. Do we have a wishbone?

I don't know. I don't know. Did you just ask if we have a wishbone? Did you ever watch Hannibal Lecter? Did he ever say, Carriz, let's make a wish? I always keep it, and I let it dry out overnight. Now let's put it apart. Okay.

The other one I always went for was the bread basket. Ah, the bread basket. They had a nice little handle. It was all kind of large. And we were always going for the easy stuff first. Yeah. It's a slice of bread with a small notch taken out of the top. So that you had actually a place to grip it.

It's a slang term for the stomach, the bread basket. Nice. I actually knew with that one, Matt. Well, I would hope so. I don't actually, I think I'm out, but I'm going to go ahead and try. Okay. Just say Uh

ankle bone Something in his hand Oh that's good Is that too vague? I Boy Like Is it metacarpal or is it

Is it a metacarpal? How do you feel, Brian? Do you have more? Because I'll give it to it. Oh yeah. I mean I'm almost out.

We're very in the first thing. You know, we've already crossed the line of, uh, I'm just picturing this a flawed premise right now. Right. Right. uh yeah i'm gonna give it to writers cramp um oh okay there's a pencil oh so now we're just vague areas

yeah well yeah i'm just kidding a pencil in the forearm uh of course the writers cramps soreness and the wrist oh okay i remember that pencil that's right there was a pencil in the forearm i didn't understand that though rightus cramp too easy to pick up too easy to pick up yeah that was one of the that was usually one of the first ones we would go for um yep all right it's up to you now Mm, now I'm, ooh, ooh, ooh, did I already say it? Ooh, I can't remember if already said or not. Oh. No, I think Scott said, Scott said wishbone. He asked him about it.

So he, we did, I don't, I'm pretty sure we didn't say butterflies in the stomach. We did not. Butterflies in the stomach. Yep. Is that a large butterfly in the middle of the torso. You'll notice that all the ones that I'm going for are the ones that were the easy ones. Right, because you could pick it up by the antenna really, really easily. Yeah.

Yes. So wait a minute. Was that embedded in the breadbasket? Are they adjacent to each other? No. No, they were just in different places. The butterfly was actually a little bit higher in the chest. Don't you know how bad this guy was?

He was pretty big. Yeah. He was a lush man. Yeah, his big red nose and he looks stressed. All right. Well, you would, too, if you were going under operation. Yeah, you're not wrong. I don't remember where his eyes open or were they closed? They were open, dude.

They were wide up like a big... Angry eyebrows to him, looking at him right now. Super angry eyebrows. Yeah. Was there eyes that you could pluck out? It's like surgery under duress. He was not into it. All right.

I'm out. The electroprobe. His brain, probably. Right? Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. A brain unit. Well, brain surgery?

Well, as a matter of fact, in 2004, Milton Bradley said, hey, we're going to add a new part to Cavity Sam. And so they had a, gave the fans a chance to vote on what, what part they wanted to add it, and they added brain freeze. So it's an ice cream cone located in the brain. It's an ice cream cone? I was just guessing like zones here.

Yeah, that's modern. That's 2004. So unless you bought this for the kids. But that counts, right? That counts. It counts. Yeah, I'm giving you brain. Yeah, I'm giving your brain.

Give me some brain. Good brain. Listen, Stephanie's already won. So we've, you know. It was all. plot premise. She had won after that Claire Gack impression. So since then.

All right, done away. Let's see if you know anymore, even though she's one. Well, I want to say, okay, so we did, Scott did the wrist. And earlier I said something about the foot. And I seemed like it was like something in the foot. It got to be wrist, ankle. I don't know. Something in the, I'm going to go with the

the ankle bone is connected to the leg bone good enough yeah the ankle bone connected to the knee bone this was a different piece right because it wasn't a little plastic piece it was a rubber band that you actually had to stretch between a peg

in the ankle and a peg in the knee without touching the oh my gosh I forgot about that one we never had that one in there who's going to keep up with the rubber band like that and the pencil were usually the first things to get lost because you can just use any rubber band for that. No. It had to be the right

right length. Right. It had to be from your braces style. It would be short enough. Yeah, those little rubber. Yeah, your little rubber band braces things. I kid you stuff. There are only three left. Wow. I'm kind of impressed. Let's try to guess them. Are you out, Scott? Is that it? Is that game over? Well, I'll just. Okay. Are you going to try to guess them? I'll guess one and you tell me if I'm wrong

here. There you go. what part of the body we've not talked about some kind of foot unit deal toes or something like a big old crunchy stub toe like a big old crunchy stub toe that would be awesome yeah I'm going to give it to you yeah there's a wrenched ankle

so a wrenched ankle that's another ankle in his other foot Besides the knee bone, ankle bone thing, the other one has a wrench. I would never guess that. It's stuck in the right ankle. Right. So it's actually a little wrench, like a little wrench-bone-looking thing. In even, they call it a spanner.

Nice. Yeah, they do call it a spanner over there. Yeah, which I know. They call it a spannered ankle? Like, how does that work in Engel? Well, I only have one more. Okay. And you said it's how many left, three more?

There's two left, so. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. I don't remember what it was called, but it was something Adam's rib or something like that. It was, I don't know, I'm sure, something clever. Oh, it's probably an Adam's apples.

It's like a spare rib maybe or barbecue ribs or. Well, we did spare ribs already. That was already. Play on the Adam. Adams. Oh, Adam's apple. There you go. That makes sense.

Duh, of course, there's like a little apple in there. There's an apple. And there's still one more left? What else did we not do? One more. I'll tell you the part of the body if you want it. Or do you have a guess, Scott? I guess it is Scott's turn to guess technically.

It's a rectum where there's a giant. Oh, damn near a rectum. Pull the rectum, damn near killed him. I have no idea. I can't think of what else. What part of the body have we not done? They've all been covered. There's a pail of water in the leg above the wretched ankle.

Okay. There's a pill of water above his wrenched ankle? Yep, it's water on the knee. Oh, geez. Water on the knee. That is so dumb. Is it, though? Could you come out of better things for the body?

No, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Somebody was saying there's a mobile version of the game. Well, that makes perfect sense. What does that do? Flash the camera at here or something? What's going to start on you?

They'll make noise. Do you just pinch in the zoom to get close in and then pick it up? Yeah, your phone does, it does haptics. Yeah, but it doesn't do that stress-inducing vibration. No. Like the operation game. When I was younger, I thought that game actually. electricated you. I thought that was the whole idea.

I did too because it was like and it probably did if you weren't careful if you did something. Yeah. I mean, nothing shook more than that other than the football game where you put all the pieces and you just turn the vibration on and they just wiggle wherever they want to. Oh, I love that. Love that game. Quarterback would always fall over.

Yeah. I had a hockey version of that. I love that stuff. It was stupid toys, but man, it's what we had. That's what we had. All right. So in our, in our Discord chat, by the way, is the 32nd commercial might be in there that don't touch is

funny bunny bun. Let's find out. Here we go. I mean, this is a newer commercial this is not the one I saw when I was a kid. But still,

that's okay. Let's see what we get. Yeah. Doctor, my belly egg. You got butterflies in his stomach. You got a Charlie horse.

Operation. Broken heart of court. Operation. Operation. The lightest crime is true. Operation. And I'm not to pull you. Operation.

Remove the pieces and collect your fee by Don't touch the sides. Dang it, don't touch the sides. Is that what they always said? Yeah, don't touch the sides. Yeah, don't touch the sides. Maybe it's get as funny about don't touch the sides.

Don't touch the side. That's what the kids would say at each other. I said, don't touch the side. Oh, J.C. Calhoun posted old commercial with American voices instead of U.K. voices. I'll put on the Discord if you want that one. By the way, I have no recollection. We obviously played this game very specifically for the, you know, the scare of it. and didn't play by the rules because it says collect the fee.

Yeah, for each piece you take out. So you draw a card and it tells you what piece to take out. And each piece is worth a different amount. So the harder pieces like the Charlie Horace, the Funny Bone are worth $200. The brain is now worth $600. The bread basket is $1,000. But the easy ones like the pencil writer's cram. Did any of you kids, did any of you kids play that proper?

because I never played it proper. No, it was always just like, I'm going to get this one. I'm pretty sure we've rarely had the pieces. They were lost all the time. I mean, sometimes I just put the box between my legs and put the probe right on the broken heart and just let it go. Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord. I'm going to play this commercial.

We're going to hear it finally and forever. Here we go. Here she comes. It's my turn to operate. Operate? Butter fingers. It's Operation, the Wacky Doctor's game. Batteries not in your car.

Take out his spirits for $100. Oh, you'll never do that. Don't touch the size. Here goes his funny bone. It takes a very good... Here it goes his funny bone. Yeah, we got to hear say, may I play? Let me get that.

I did it. That's $200 for me. May I play? Operation. What weirdo parent does that? Nobody comes down and says, No, Mother, may I, you may not. May I play with you

Get out of here, Mom. These are my friends. You're embarrassing me. Yeah. Get your own damn. You can afford it. Well, you know what this means, everybody? It means this.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. Stephanie, you're once again, I know this has happened before, but you're once again a winner here on the show. How does that feel? Oh, oh, you remember me. Yeah, you're here. Always here.

Always wins. I was like, how many commercials are they going to play? All of them is the answer. Hey, they sound terrible over the right one. Well, listen, the important thing is we need to send these this stuff. So send me an email, Scott of FrogPants.com. I'll get you your physical winnings. That's a way of saying that, I suppose.

And congratulations and well played. Oh, that hung up on it. And remember, don't touch this. Oh, too late. Yeah, don't touch the sides. All right. I always thought it was don't touch his funny bone. I did it too.

Really? Yeah. I remember don't touch the side. I mean, it doesn't make sense, obviously. because why would you tell why would you describe the game in a way that's not the way it's played but right well we've also learned something today which is that that is a dubbed version of a british commercial so the british commercial wasn't dubbed and it's the exact same people really really interesting and it's dubbed over with english or not english it's english or sorry american accent dub version of an english commercial american english versus that's really weird what a weird make sure to remove his fish Chips. Or take out the lorry. I don't know why you'll have to go up here.

I do Philip if I didn't feel bad about Philip dying, so I'll hold off on doing Philip. All right. Hey, Brian Donaway. We didn't cause that one, people. No, that wasn't us. We didn't do it. Hey, maybe relentlessly over and over saying that name eventually killed him. I don't know.

But Dunaway and I do a video game show. It's on Tuesdays. So tomorrow at 3.30 Mountain Time, you'll be able to watch The Boop Show. And I think I finally settled on what game I'm going to talk about. I went through a few this week to try to see what would fit and settled on one that I really liked. So you'll have to wait and find out what it is. Brian, anything else that's like that? You won't have to wait for me to tell you.

I'll be playing it tonight at 5.30 Eastern Time. I'll be playing Wildfire. Part two of my Boop Show homework. Last time, the developer stopped by and gave us some tips. That was a lot of fun. And I'll talk more about that when we do the Boop Show tomorrow night on Tuesday. Sorry, just realized while I'm looking at Sam. the operation guy his belly is specifically covering his junk that's what's happening yes oh absolutely

yeah there's always what's weird about it's like he's naked but he's not naked no right exactly but he's mo he's basically moe look at that hair he's mo that's right he did have that he did had that moe shimp or whatever hair that yeah i guess it was actually larry right just mo was oh no no what mo was the one with the hair mo had that bad hair larry was yeah He was curly. Ironically, Larry had curly hair and then curly had no hair. Right, right.

Which I guess was the joke. Well done. 1920s or 30s, whatever you were. All right. Hey, Brian, kiss our butts by. All right, he's gone. We're going to take it. By the way, speaking of boop and games and stuff,

when is that Dorf romantic? Is that what it's called? Oh, that's out now? Or when's it coming to mobile or? When's it's it coming to mobile or Mac or something? Because I don't want to, I could do it via. It's awesome. It needs to be, that needs to be, that needs to be.

I can probably play it via Steamlink on my Mac, but I want it on mobile. Yeah, that game deserves to be a touchscreen version. It's really cool. I think it will. They're having massive success, so I think they're going to... Seems like it, and it's really early on. Yeah, it's a great game. All right, watch for that, and then for now, we're going to take a break.

When we come back, our old buddy, Bill Durand's joining us. We've got a big question for him, and one that kind of applies to me as well, and Brian, really, all of us. Anybody who has to work out rates for, like, commissions or side contract? work or whatever. If you're interested in that kind of discussion, that's coming up next with him. And then, of course, after that, Stephen Schlecker will be joining us as well. Between all of that, we need a song. So, Brian, will you provide said song? Yes. We're going to go to Brooklyn for this one. A woman named Sarah Cicero has released her debut EP called Cold Immaculate Opposite. And it came out Friday. Really good stuff.

I listened to it on repeat all weekend long. And the big single from the EP is called Indifferent. Hope you like it. I like it. It's Sarah Cicero. Here is Indifferent. you don't look at me the same your mouth's a straight line now when you say my name and you want it both you want it both Wants Want me there When you're hanging out Don't want me to stay

Don't seem to care If I'm not fully there Because I'm thinking About how this ends You walked away from us I can't Why do I

take what I can get How do you get so damned indifferent I wish I were indifferent

like you I don't think you know about my pain at least what I don't think you know about my pain at least that's what I tell myself to get through the day And I I should tell you I'm through Can't win is your placeholder But either way I'll lose You, you have me then

You still have me now My friends think I'm crazy for sticking around When you walked away from us I can't Why do I take what I can get How do you get so Damn indifference

I win Our word Indifference like you like you You don't look at me the same Your mouths are straight line now When you say my name

Things have been getting out of hand And we need you to mend a few broken pipes I've heard you a bit tasty No messing around or you get a slap This is the morning And I feel fine I feel fine also Welcome back to the show everybody

Where we all feel fine Oh, that song again? Who is that? Oh, yes, Sarah Cicero, and the song is called Indifferent. The brand new EP is called Cold Immaculate Opposite. Nice! All right. It's very good.

It's very, very good. It sounds very good. Let's get Bill Duran in here. Is that working? It is. And we'll talk to him right after I push this button. Your bat caves open there, Bill. It's Bill Duran joining us from the Pacific Northwest, home of Punished Props.

com, the fantastic YouTube channel, and physical premises where all kinds of rad stuff gets made. We talk about making things with Bill, and he comes on Tuesdays, or no, Mondays. Hi, Bill. Good morning. Hello, this is your public service announcement, letting everyone know that Waterworld is on Netflix right now. I watched it again last night, and it is still fantastic. Preach!

You're one of my people. Yeah. I get this text from you last night with a big picture of your TV showing liquid ice, I found. It is about that time for my age. annual rewatch anyway. Now that it's on Netflix, in 4K, I believe. I think it's time I

rewatched. The magnificent, wonderful, much maligned, but forever always great, water world. Hey, it's Bill. Bill, how are you? You doing all right? I mean, Waterworld's great, so you're probably doing great. Oh, still riding that high. Yeah. Yeah. How do you get that out of your system? You can't. It'll be there for weeks.

Anyway, it's good to have you here. We're going to talk about a very interesting question we got regarding what Bill does for a living and also I think in a lot of ways this will apply to Brian and I like I said so I'm just going to read it this is from somebody named Gondry I don't know why that sounds familiar Gondry well there's the director Michelle Gondry who did oh that's what I'm thinking of music videos and he does the he did eternal sunshine of the spotless mind that's what's that's why it's familiar there's also that the place in middle earth

you know like the horde of gondry all my favorite artifacts oh yeah right that might be who knows that might be more where this person if it isn't their real name where they got their name now that you say that probably is

it's probably exactly where it came from so well done bill we've sussed it out anyway gondry says this be he or she or he I don't know how does bill figure out what he would charge for commissions and special projects for that matter how does anyone do that Gondry. So a lot of people, I get this question all the time. Like, how do you know what to charge for book illustrations or somebody's doing an article and they just want a cover piece and it'll only print once and it's only digital versus print? Or is it different if you do print? Like I get that all the time. In the case of your stuff, Bill, and I know you don't, you know, you're picky about what commissions you take because you have to be timewise. But when that does roll around, what kind of advice can you give to Gondry and others who might be trying to price their stuff out?

Right. So, excuse me, I get questions like this a lot as well. And the reason is because selling anything that's custom made, scratch built, anything like that, selling it to an individual client, especially if it's your sole source of income, is really hard. Super difficult, right? So if you're struggling, you're not alone. It's a really, really hard thing to do. It's maybe the hardest part of all of it, to be honest. Absolutely, yeah. Part of it is what it is the client has in their head as an expectation is frequently different than what you, the artist, has in your head. So a lot of the challenge with making a custom commission is that process, figuring that out, the communication between you and the person who wants the thing. I did prop commissions for a while. that was kind of my main focus from like 2011 to 2015

so I did those for a while and then I turned my focus to creating content turns out books are one size fits all so I love selling books I love selling videos and I also spend more of my time teaching people how to make stuff than making stuff for them

Now, during the time that I was doing commission stuff, I don't think I ever charged enough at all. I'm pretty sure that I probably came pretty close to breaking even over those like three or four years when I was taking commissions. It's not to say I didn't charge a lot for my work, but I spent a ton of time on it. I spent so much time on it. And people frequently got something that was way better than what they paid for. And that's great for them, not as good for me. No. Yeah, there's a middle ground because there is this, there is the sense,

everybody always feels this way like you're going to overcharge. Or you're going to lose the deal because you're going to basically come in so high that they're going to run away. But I can't tell you how many times I've said, like I had a VO thing, a really short VO thing here recently, but I can't talk about because it was MD8. But I did a little short VO and they said, well, what do you charge for that? And I thought, I haven't done this in a while. I don't remember. And I'm like looking up online, like common rates and this and that.

And so I came back with what I thought was outrageous. I said, $1,000. And I thought they were going to go, ooh, can we go lower? Oh, sorry we can't do it. Or ooh, I really thought I was going to kill my deal. They're like, oh, great. That's fantastic. Let's get that on paper.

And I found out later that they were used to doing four to eight grand for this sort of stuff. Oh, yeah. Wow. And I don't know. How do you know? You don't know? Nobody knows. This is, so what you do?

Here's a trick, Scott. You go, it's $1,000. And if they go, fantastic, you go, well, that's just the speaking fee. We've got to talk about some of my other fees as well. Yeah. Oh, did I say a thousand? I meant that's set up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. That's really frustrating. It's frustrating because they just, you know, you, a lot of times you go in blind. Lennonade in the chat just made a really good comment. He says commission work has no standard. It's really a confidence game. And in a lot of ways, I think there are some standards around the periphery, but for the most part, that's true.

It's a matter of you having the confidence to say, all right, well, they're coming to me for these reasons. And it's all a little nebulous, but you kind of have to do the math in your head. It's like your value is more than just the hours and more than just the materials and more than just the combination. Or else they go anywhere. So why are they coming to you and what is that value? You also don't want to screw people But it's still

Even after all of that It's still like throwing darts You're just not sure if you're going to hit the right mark There might not be standards But there is definitely going to be Depending on where you're working, right? But like for me in the prop game If a company came to me and said

We want you to build a prop for our booth For E3 That's a bad example. They're not doing a physical E3 You know remember we used to do those things Oh, yeah. And they had booths. Yeah, they had booths. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They had people and lines and they were computer. People would play video games one after the other, the same controller and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So they, there may be an industry, not necessarily a standard, but they may have an expectation, right? They may have done other work like that before. And I, if I fall outside of their expectations, they're probably going to turn me down. Right. The, the real takeaway, though, is that learning what.

to charge for your work and went to charge for your time is something that you at least i've had to learn over and over again through lots of trial and error um i i have been underpaid more than i've been overpaid uh so i've tried to learn from those experiences where i lowballed myself uh on a job yeah um there there are a few obvious things when it comes to figuring out what you're what to charge. So, like, your material costs. That's easy for me to figure out. I know how much silicone or plastic or foam or rubber. Material costs are pretty easy to figure out, and they're really easy to justify to your client. You're like, look, I had to go buy all this stuff to make your thing. Right. But there are other things that vary from project to project, right?

Even if you're an illustrator, if you're a digital illustrator like Scott is, and you mostly do your work by drawing in Photoshop or whatever. There's still things that are going to vary from time to time. Certain processes might take a lot more time than others. So, for example, with me, if I have to make a mold of the project, that's going to add a few days to build. And for what I charge, that means adding a couple, $100 or $1,000 to the project, right?

If I don't, if I decide in the middle of the project, I should make a mold of this. But I'm not going to charge the client anymore, right? Then I do two days worth of work essentially for free. And the client gets a better product and they're super happy. But I just gave away two days of work. Yeah. And again, if it's your sole source of income like it is for me, you can't do that.

You can do that for a very short period of time before you just completely run out of money and you have to go get a day job. Sure. So what process you use, what materials you use, materials are more time consuming to work with than others. And you may also have to pad your schedule and your estimate in case something goes

wrong with the build. Something usually goes wrong with the build. I'll tell you that. When you're building a prototype, a complicated thing, something usually goes wrong. You've got to build that. By default, when you're talking about physical materials, there's no, you know, the advantage

I have in digital art is that I've got layers and non-destructive, you know, techniques that mean that if we're not happy with the way a color scheme worked or we're not happy with the way something happened in the composition, I can go and change that in a way that doesn't mean new molds. It doesn't mean new pores. It doesn't mean new materials. It just means time. In your case, you've got to like, sometimes you got to throw shit away and start over and not start over, but, you know. Yeah. So molding is a great example. I was working on a project that where everything went wrong in the mold

and it was it was a lot of silicone and it's really expensive I poured a mold and the mold box leaked so when I showed up the next morning all of the silicone had bled out onto the table and floor and then cured that way

oh no right so you just throw it away I'm like well that's $50 of silicone and half a day of work and 24 hours of curing time that I just threw away right yeah

and those things are going to happen no matter how good you are so here's a trick here's one of the best things you can do if you if you've got a couple of commissions under your belt right after you've finished a project or I'm sorry during the project track

your time it's a pain of the butt I know track every minute you spend working on that thing so that you know exactly how many hours you spent on it. Right. Then once the project is done and delivered, you've got paid, subtract your material

costs from that payment. And whatever's left, do the math, it's real easy, figure out how much you were making per hour. Right. So, good example. There's your baseline and they've got to move up. Exactly. Baseline, let's say I spend a month working out a prop and I charge $2,000 for it, right?

Now people, let's say it's a rocket launcher. Okay. So $2,000 rocket launcher, people like, that's a lot to pay for. a fake rocket launcher, right? And I agree. That's a lot. I've never paid that much for any prop thing. Of course, I make my own, but you get

the point. Let's say the material cost was $300. All right. That's $1,700 that you just, quote, made. However, if it was a month and you were working 40-hour work weeks, then you made about $10.65 an hour, right? Which

might be perfect for you. It's not for me. can't live on that. So what I need to do is start thinking about things like you said, Scott. There's other charges you put in there that are a little more ethereal. For example, if I really don't want to do a project, someone comes at me with a project, like, I don't want to, or I want you to build a thing and I don't want to build that thing. I might want to build it for an extra $1,000, right?

Yeah, yeah. Or if the client is a huge pain to work with, I don't know. I don't want to work with him, but I might want to work with him for a little more. You know what I mean? Like, there are other ways to pad the price to make the job more, work more for you, right? But also, you might just say, I have to charge more because I don't make enough to eat. Right. Right.

So there are a lot of ways you can start fudging with the numbers and fudging with the amount that you charge until it gets to a place that works for you. But it takes a lot of trial and error. it is it can be pretty soul crushing for a while yeah you can and sometimes you're you you aim low too low and go okay i got to go higher next time and then the next time you get too high and you're like all right i got backtrack like there really is just a matter of like finding your sweet spot and then paying attention to trends in whatever world you're working in if you're right right doing art commissions then pay attention to what's happening around that space there tons of discussion groups about this very thing on reddit and other places where you can

kind of see what people are doing and you can see how it scales and what things have an effect on your price like for example your notoriety as a as a famous artist if you're not ian mckee you're not going to make ian mckee money but if you're you're somewhere in the middle you'll do all right and if you're at the very bottom you know what you have to do to kind of grow there like right there's a lot there's a lot there's a lot there's a lot there but uh one thing i always also like try to do is i'll try to not overestimate too much but let's say something we'll just use a number that's easy. Let's say something is $200. I might go $300 because there's some unknowns, right? Something could go weird, something's funky. It's not too much higher, but it's enough where I can feel good about it. And then if things go well and super smooth and it was more like 200, then I will say to them, hey, this is, we were able to get this done quicker than I thought, or this has been faster than I expected. Or you, were really easy to work with on proofs or whatever um i'm knocked it down to 200 now the reason

i do this is a that that that's maybe the fairer price you know you're not ripping the guy off or charging for no reason but you're also building uh a relationship and a sort of a track record there oh yeah says hey this this is somebody who you know is a straight shooter with me that lets me know um and then you know they're they're more likely to use you in future when it comes to stuff like that. So that's just another way of kind of protecting yourself, but at the same time gives you some wiggle room to like come back with them and surprise them with a lower price or, you know. Yeah, and it's way easier to do it that way than to be halfway through a commission where the client has paid a deposit already and then try to convince them that they need to actually

pay you more. That's way hard. Halfway through a project emailing a client, be like, look, man, this is taken twice as long. And I'm going to totally eat my shirt on this thing. I got to charge you more, they might be like, eh, I decided I don't want that thing anymore. Right. Hope your shirt tastes good. Yep. So a couple more just really quick things here.

One of them, you want to be in a position as an artist, and this takes time, but you want to be in a position where you can turn down most of the commissions that you are offered. You want to be in a position where you can be picky, both about the projects you do, who you work with and what they're going to be charging. And that comes from delivering frequently on time and at budget and gaining that notoriety and reputation. That takes years to build up.

But that's definitely a position you want to be in. Like right now, if people come to me for the commission idea, I can just say, no. I have my own gig. Book selling is working well for me. I don't have to say yes to commissions. But if someone comes to me with a really cool project and I'll, lot of money i could be like yeah sure okay i'll i'll give that a shot sure but i but i can be picky it is nice to get to a place where you can be picky yeah and that takes a while and it may sound like

a luxury but it's not because we all had to we had to we had to figure our way to get there like i get to be really picky about commissions now because i can um for somebody who's just getting started and not feeling like they have that luxury just keep at it and then you get to a point where the bigger stuff pays longer term and you don't have to take the little ones that are harder or the people that are cheap and weird

or that make changes all the time you can just be a little pickier about your destiny and that's a great that's a really nice phase to be in. Yeah, it is. It's super good.

I mean a lot of anime swords that I was not interested in. I made a lot of anime swords for cheap for a while before I could just make the props I want to make when I want to make them. Yeah. So, so it's a quick, interesting distinction.

Someone in the chat just asked, Lennonade in the chat says, do you think the success of this Rock Runner's Kickstarter means that you undercharged? No, this is a case where not at all. Like, I want it to be a low barrier of entry per person. Like per person wanting to get that game. My interest is not in overcharging them.

I want to, if anything, undercharge them. my miscalculation on the Kickstarter was just how quickly it would happen or that it would go as high as it's going. I thought it would, we started low because I had low expectations for just total volume. I just didn't think it would be that big a deal. But we made it so it would scale. So I don't think this is a good comparison. Yeah. And the goal is to get it into stores after the Kickstarter thing so that, you know, that's where you can start bilking the customers.

Yeah, screw them at retail, exactly. But, but, I think the biggest distinction is that you aren't, printing and stamping all those cards those that's getting done elsewhere it's kind of like my books right um i don't i can undercharge for my books i can put them on a deal if i want because i'm not spending my time producing that that's a huge distinction right yeah and then and the other thing is you know like lissart says well it actually seems like kind of an expensive card game to me well there's a lot of factors to that like uh you know 30 for a for a card game may seem like a lot compared to what you could go by some you know by a deck of uno cards for but that's because

they print 50 million decks of uno cards every year and and by the end of this we might print two thousand copies of rock runners so the volume matters you know there's all there's all sorts of factors and that's the thing that's hard about even this discussion is there's every single commission or every single deal you take including your own projects right even if it's just for you making content for your channel you still have to calculate you the best you can and then you're going to find out later oh shoot there's this part i forgot about or there's this other thing that i didn't do or the heat broke in the office right now it costs me $1,200 to fix it right or when i shipped my playing cards two years ago three years ago whatever it was

um i didn't know that that that the then administration was going to put tariffs on chinese goods and specifically specifically printed playing cards like that's listed on the tariffs thing Or I ordered a bunch of... We sell knives on our website, and we ordered 3,000 of them from China a lot. Like, it was a significant amount of money. And that was right when the tariff thing changed. And when they got here, for some reason, this is the amount I always have to spend. There was another $1,200 before I had to pay.

Before I could get them. They were here in the States. I had to pay another commission that I don't even understand. And that, yeah, we could just go. That'd be a whole podcast. But see, that's the thing, right? Those are factors out of your control, so you do your best to sort of plan for those things. But then when they happen, we just had to take in the shorts on a lot of it.

It's just the way it was. You end up just having to charge more for the product. Yeah. It's a bummer. Yeah, that sucked. I hated that. That was lame. And these are being, by the way, Rock Runners being printed in the U.S.

Because I'm trying to, that costs more just intrinsically more. But I want to buffer against any weirdness internationally. It's just a weird time. Don't want to mess with those factors I can't control. so we're doing this here on the ground. Very cool. Which means it'll be really nice and I can talk English with people and that's good too. Nothing wrong with Chinese. Very cool language. Way to go to China.

But I don't want to talk to you. I don't know Chinese. I don't know Mandarin. Right. And your name's no way your name's Kevin. There's no way your real name is Kevin. Anyway. Boy, we went on. We went places. We can talk about this forever. Holy cow. We really could. It's an interesting subject. I'm really glad we had a chance to do with you. you also often bring to the show not only content from your own channel insights but cool other gigs that you admire and like anything this week you want to share yeah this is really a good and relevant video my friend david over it make something is the channel he made a

video called how to price your work and it's really useful oh look at appropriate yeah it's almost like we talked last night about the subject and i did the tiniest amount of prep work yeah no that's great uh let's see this is go over there and find to make something on YouTube and he will he will go in depth about some of this stuff that's that's fantastic

that guy looks like a pirate he's cool yarr yarr look at me I'll give you ideas about to charge for your work here all right

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Bill have a great week and we'll talk to you soon see Bill bye now all right good stuff that is good stuff I mean, I don't know how you came to your,

and I don't even know what you charge, but for your computer things you're doing right now, like this little side gig. How hard was that process to this sort of get what you wanted? Yeah, because, you know, basically I had to figure out, all right, how long does it take me to do one? You know, and I kind of priced out like, all right, how much time am I spending on each machine?

Because I can do two, three at a time. And luckily, they came to me with an offer while I was figuring my side out and said, oh, you know what, actually, that's fair. That actually is, it probably ends up being more than I would have charged, but only by a little bit more than I would have, the price I would have come to. So that actually worked out.

But that's such a different thing. Yeah. And, yeah, it's, it's an interesting, it's an interesting game to play. It is kind of a game. There's a meta to it and there's like a, I don't know, you have to balance it. and if you do it right there's two winners yeah i have this one oh here's a tip here's a trick it doesn't really make a giant difference on the bottom line but if you let's say you're an artist and you're

trying to get somebody to commission something you tell them that and this is it's true you just you tell them that all right well the way this works is you don't have to pay me a dime uh until i show you as an initial rough sketch if you approve that then great we're in business and I'll charge you up front and then we'll get the rest of it done, get it ink and colored. And the advantage of that is it broaches the conversation

without the awkwardness of I need you to pay up front. You know what I mean? Because basically what we were saying is I'm going to do this thing for you which is a total sacrifice which is I'm going to draw the whole thing out. You're going to have this sketch

which means I'm committed. I'm going. Let's go. I'm into your work. But you still have approval. You have refusal. If you don't want it, great. We'll move on from there and it doesn't cost you a dime.

That's just a service I provide. But if we're solid, then great. I'll charge you and we're on our way. Like, that has always worked really well for me as a way to both give them something they weren't expecting. Yeah. And also get money up front. And really, and it does set the tone for the whole project to be able to say, if you

don't like this already, then we're probably, you know, we're probably going to have, you know, then maybe I'm not the right. right designer for you for this project and this gets you know exactly that's a great way i didn't really thought of in those words but that's exactly it like if i'm if this isn't going to be right you'll know right away and what am i out not really that much time sketching it's not a big deal i can tell you that that's never turned into one of those but the operative but at least it says here i'm exposing myself in a way that says to them i am willing to do this part for free to make sure i'm what you want and if you don't we're cool that act alone i think has kept

the deal going, even if there were changes or even if they did want to complete the different take or whatever, they like that and they seem more willing. And I don't think it's a trick. It's just a, it's a, it's a tip. It's a, it's a thing that has meaning that isn't going to kill you to do it. I don't know. I like it. It's cool. Um, all right. Let's move on. Oh, we got to call Stephen. Jeez. Yeah. We can talk about this all day long, but let's start a brand new show with our very unlimited schedule we have right right business dealings frogpants business

dot com so one more thing to add to that that you guys didn't talk about yeah don't forget that you're going to have times where you're very busy yeah and times when there's no business going on oh yeah sinker you have to calculate for that as well or feature famine yeah it's always up or it's always down there's no yep there's never

that's why people like desk jobs go in, clock in, clock out, go home, and it's just consistent, and the money's in there, and you just do whatever you do. Not in our lives. It's, we're not making it. Okay, whew, we did okay. That'll carry the, it's like, it's like that. That's the cadence. Oh, also this. And also don't forget tax. Schleiker. Stephen Schlecker. Yeah. Pay your taxes, but also stay hydrated, right? We'll save that for the end of the segment. Oh, yeah. It's important. Yeah. Stay hydrated. Yeah. Stay. Stay. Stay. Stay. Hydra.

Hail hydrated. So, hey, it's Steven Schlecker joining us from Major Spoilers.com. Oh, hi, Scott. Hybran. Hi.

And welcome to the show. I knew you to have some thoughts. So you always have good thoughts on this sort of stuff. We're all kind of growing on the same tree these days. And why not share our ideas and tips? Many branches, though.

Many branches. Let's make sure we stress that. That's true. Okay. Before we get going here, I just wanted to put it out there since we talk a lot about comics on this segment. I'm caught up to what they've released anyway

so far on Disney or, sorry, D.C. Infinite. And the series, the last god is just one of my favorite new things. I cannot get enough of this freaking thing. I love it. It is like, it is,

I think I mentioned this before, maybe not, but it's so much like a really well-crafted sort of D&D-style dark fantasy story. And quite literally, like a group of people adventuring, you know, and then having encounters and stuff. And it doesn't feel like a table top.

game. It feels like a wonderful story, but I kept thinking right up through issue four or five. I'm like, man, this would be such a cool campaign in an actual role-playing game. And then they did it. The fifth or sixth issue is a source book for D&D fifth edition for this world and these characters and creatures and encounters and here's their DC and this guy's got, you know, whatever power, this and that. And here's the custom rules the DM would have to do. But the whole issue is a source book. And then they get back to the story on the sixth issue and to keep moving forward. Anyway, it's just freaking awesome.

A couple of things. So a couple of things. If you're into traditional D&D and you want to read some D&D adventure type stuff, IDW publishing has been doing D&D adventures set in whatever the current campaign has set from Wizards of the Coast. Jim Zub is the writer of that.

Very, very good stuff there. Rick and Morty have delved into the Dungeons and Dragons over at Oni Press. And they also include character sheets and other things so you can play. the characters that Rick and Morty and the rest do inside the world of Dungeons and Dragons. Dark Horse Comics got into a deal with Stranger Things because they have the Stranger Things license. They have a whole Dungeons and Dragons, Stranger Things story.

I think it's a four-issue miniseries that you can also play the characters that will and the rest of the gang play in the TV show. And then finally, over at Image Comics, Karen Gillen, and I forget who the artist is off the top of my head. But there's a series called Die. And this is a story about a bunch of kids who sat down to play a role-playing game and they got sucked into a world and they disappeared for 20 years. They come back and then, you know, several years later, they have to go back into the world of Die.

And it's a 20-issue series. It is coming to a close. I want to say in the next couple of months. But one person ended up staying behind and things get weird as they go into the world of die and they go to each vertex. and to each plane and have all of these really crazy adventures. And so not only are you getting a history of role-playing games, but you're also getting a history of what's going on with these characters' lives

over the last 20 years. Oh, that's a fascinating book. It's so worth picking up. Now, it's not on the DC Universe Infinite, but a die from Karen Gillen from Image Comics is, I think I must read. It's an image book. Okay, cool. I can probably get that on Comicsology by per issue or whatever I need to do.

Yeah, they've got them in trade. and everything as well. Like I said, it's only a 20-issue run. I wonder why, 20-sided die. But I think it'd be right up your alley. Yeah, it sounds totally up my alley. And right now I'm actually just irritated that I have to wait for issue 10, which I think is the final issue, I think, of this run. Oh, man, I've been loving it. And I always forget the artist's name. It's kind of a hard name to remember, but this guy, oh, I got to follow everything he does now. I'm so into it. And it's bloody and violent. That's the other thing I like about it. I like me some good old hack and slash, baby. This comic's full of it.

I will check out Die. That's great recommendation. All right. Speaking of, we'll now swing back to the cowls and capes of our youth. Okay. And talk about Batman the long Halloween, finally getting the animated treatment from WB animation, one of the great, maybe the greatest in some people's minds,

Batman's story ever. It is a really good story. It's Jeff Loeb and Tim Sayle doing the art on that. So if you haven't read this, it's the story of the holiday killer who's going around and killing people in gruesome ways and I don't want to spoil too much of what the

story and how it plays out but every month there's a new killing and Batman is trying to follow the clues if you have seen which was the second Batman Nolan movie the Dark Night and then there was Dark Night Rises was the third one Yeah the dark night

borrows a lot from the long Halloween Yeah I keep hearing the new movie Is supposed to poke a bunch at that year one And then long Halloween Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that'll be interesting to see how that goes. Now, the interesting thing that DC is doing, they're doing the exact same thing that they did with the Dark Night Returns. They're making it a two-part movie.

So the first version arrives in June and part two will arrive in 2022, probably in January of 2022. So you're going to get probably a three to four-hour animated movie out of this. The downside that I see from the trailer, and you can find the trailer over on YouTube.com, is now that they've finished their kind of new 50 or their flashpoint storyline in the animated universe, they've kind of got a new art style that they're going with. And the closest that I can compare it to is it's got an archer look to it where everybody has a really thick black outline around them with some flat colors on the inside. And so I'm not a super fan of that, but it works. And it's well animated.

And so that's what they're doing with the long Halloween. so they're not using the Tim Sayle style in this movie either. Yeah. Are they, yeah, that's the other thing is it very much, immediately look at some of this art and go, oh, that's way more like the comic that it's based on than usual. Someone in the chat mentioned it, and its first thing in my mind was,

hey, I'll bet Kevin Conroy's coming back to remember. He's not, he's not Batman in this. They've got a bunch of different character actors who have done Batman over the year. Some are really good. This one is Jason Eccles, who was also played Red Hood and Jason Todd in Batman

Under the Red Hood So he will be playing Batman in Bruce Wayne and this They give a bunch of other people Some stuff I'm looking really quick to see If there's anybody that just jumps out at me I don't really see somebody Some famous person

Just joined the cast And I can't remember who it was I can tell you that My faith I mean Kevin Conroy is the Lord of All right he's just amazing and if you could use him for everything that'd be great but come on people we can't you know you can't be a batman and everything my second favorite was always bruce greenwood he's and people are like wait why do i know that name he's usually like an actor in movies and

stuff he was star trek oh right uh pike in that pike captain pike and uh the two the the newer movies that dolores not dolores claiborne uh what's the one where the girl gets the lady gets strapped to the bed and then the husband dies and then she's there all week. They're all months. Gerald's game. Gerald's game. He's Gerald in that. But I couldn't think of anything else. But he's in tons of stuff. And Bruce Green, I-Robot

plays the bad guy and I-Robot. He's just an amazing actor anyway. His voice is just about perfect for Batman and I would have him any day of the week if they would have him. But I guess that's not who we get in this one. It's also on 14. Nope. Nope.

Who's another good one? Jeremy Sisto's pretty good He was in that new frontier thing Yeah, I'm trying to think For some reason What's his name from Firefly Comes to mind as doing something But I know he didn't do a Batman voice

No, he was Hal Jordan in Oh yeah, that's right He was Hal Jordan Yeah, yeah I think it was name What's wrong with me? Captain Malcolm Reynolds Yep

Oh, Firefly Yeah, what's his name though? What's the actor's name? Oh, Nathan Philly Nathan Philly Yeah, yeah Yeah, he's the voice of all sorts of stuff. Yeah, Will Arnett's not going to do it, you guys?

He's great. I like Will Arnett, but, and his animated, his Lego dude is amazing, but I can't take him seriously and something like this, but anyway, I'll take it, whatever. Yeah, so we just have to wait until June. It'll come out. They're releasing this on Blu-ray and Digital on the same day, which in the past, the digital version comes out about a month ahead of the Blu-ray version. So they must be pretty excited about this one to make the digital people wait until

physical release date. I got that big fat, hardbound trade version of this that sits on a coffee table upstairs. You have the Absolute Edition? I do. I love it. Yeah, if listeners, if you haven't seen the Absolute Editions, these are oversized volumes that are, I don't want to say twice as big, but they're almost the exact same measurement as the original art pages, maybe just a little

bit smaller. And so you really get to get in close and see the art there. DC does absolute editions. If you're a Hellboy fan, Dark Horse does. I think they're called the library editions. But they're the exact same size. Yeah, actually it's so funny. I was looking at

the Hellboy, the Dark Horse app the other day. And just trying to see what they were doing over there. And they don't. Everyone needs to do subscriptions. Like, what are even doing? Like, do this I am so hooked on Marvel, what's it called? Unlimited. Unlimited.

And I'm so hooked on what you do get with Comicsology Unlimited, which is less, has more limited. But then DC, a universe, DC Infinite has really surprised me with just how much is there. Like, I'm so hooked on that method now that I'm annoyed when I have to go buy a single issue or even a trade. It bugs me. Well, that's kind of what they're hoping for, right? Is that, Scott, now you've reached the end of this. now go by issue 10 of your favorite books so that the last god so you can pay full price on that right? They want me to. That's for sure. But I'm just so into it right now.

But anyway, the long Halloween, you guys, I'm stoked. I'm ready for this. It's a good story. Yeah. There are two things that really matter to me coming up on the HBO Max front. And one is this and the other is Dune. And everything else is fine. And we'll, you know, oh, is this weekend Mortal Kombat? That's this weekend, isn't it? Wasn't that... I thought that was pushed by a week, but let's double check.

Mortal Combat, 2021. Mortal Kombat! I'm so excited about this. I shouldn't be, but I am. April 16th is what it says. Oh, April 16th, so that's this weekend. That's Friday. So this week.

Movie night with Kim, we're watching a bloody violent Mortal Kombat. I'm so excited. Hilarious. Hope they get it right. All right. Oh, no, wait. I'm sorry. Let's see.

The Act will release internationally beginning of the 8th, and then it will be in the United States. states on the 23rd. So there you go to 23rd. Boom. No mortal combat. Get over here, I would say, to the series.

Delayed combat. D. D. Can't spell it with a K. Delay. No, it doesn't work. Delayed. There you go.

Black Adam. It's in production. This is your Dwayne the Rock Johnson deal, right? Yep. Now, this is one of the things that, you know, we've talked about a number of movies. that have been canceled or new castings for things, but until you know,

the film starts shooting, these things can be canceled right away. So if you were ever wondering, a project that has been long in development, Black Adam, is now shooting and they are in production. And so now you know that this movie is going to come out, July 29th, 2020.

2020, only in theaters, it says. So just a little over a year from now. Okay. That's a bold prediction, but I like it. Let's get in theaters. You know, it just depends on how, I mean,

pre-production. So you figure that they're going to spend 90 days, maybe max 90 days for shoots. So the rest of the time is all just post-production and special effects. So I was reading what's it called? Crap. DC's, oh, the deceased stuff

I was talking about. Yeah, the DC series. Black Adam is a bastard in that. Holy crap, dude. Yeah. Because he gets bitten. He gets the disease and suddenly this thing turns from the world is full of horrible death zombies. But now they're led by Black Adam, who's just tearing shit apart.

It's great. It's real good. I love that series. I don't know why that series is so good. It should be stupid. Just like Marvel Zombies. Should have been dumb. It's not.

It's cool. If you like zombies, you like comics, you should read those. Yeah. Awesome, Stephen, as always. Always great entertainment and stuff coming out of major spoilers. Anything on the network you want to mention to people? I don't think so this week. We've got a lot of shows that are coming out, of course, over at major spoilers.com.

and you can find the complete list. You can subscribe to major spoilers plus, just major spoilers with a plus sign over there on your iTunes. And you can get all of the shows that we produce on a weekly basis in one single feet. That's pretty good.

What happens if you're thirsty over there? What do you do there? Well, then we tell everyone to drink some water and stay hydrated. Fantastic. Pale hydrated. Well done. All right.

This makes me want to read comics all day. Talking Stephen. I'm having a real thing, Brian. comics right now and me are. You totally are. Yeah, I love it. Makes me want to, I don't know what it makes me want to do. Makes me want to read comics, I guess. Makes you want to read comics. Yeah, I guess so. All right. Thank you, Stephen. What else we got? Oh, hey, okay, a couple things here. We've got a mashup to play from Jamie, but before we do a note that he's going to actually be on the show tomorrow. We'd plan on doing it Thursday, but had to change for

router issues. Yep. So we have routed him until tomorrow. He'll be here right after, or right before the news, we're just going to pick his brain on how he freaking finds all this content and who would be... The amount of work it takes to do what he does. Yeah, and how is he not sick of us? Like, how are you not sick of us, dude? I don't get it. I don't know. I'm going to ask him tomorrow. Okay. How he's not sick of us. But for now, we're going to play this mashup. This one's called UPS truck.

Don't remember what this is, so enjoy. I got my hoe back to the crib with Stacks of Benjamin's and my Pizzle. Exactly. Rock out with your Pizzle out. Bitch better have my money. Who does that? Pretty rude.

Who does that? Despicable low-life douchebags. Chodesmackers. Yeah, chodesmackers. Oh, never trusted chodesmackers. They're the worst. TikTok teens, tied, tumbling. Oh, shit.

Let's see. Oh, you have the time you need to masticate and you're all good? Yes. I can be done masticating in about a minute and a half. Wow, start to finish. Well done. All your base is nearly eligible for COVID vet. Oh, excuse me.

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Yeah, it's a little dark. Darkish, darky. I just say darky. I'm not going to say that again. Don't see that's got. I think that's a mistake. God, this has ruined me for both sex and waffles. That's the sad thing.

Put on your blindfold. Let it shine wherever you go. We'll take whatever you got. Dong. Dong. Don, plenty of dong. all the dong we can eat. Yep, just dong everywhere, just hanging around, just dong.

Tristan had the truck. He'd say, fuck for a truck. And then when we'd see a UPS truck, he'd call it a Eupus, a Eupus. And one day we're with my grandparents. Actually, we were coming back from my grandmother's funeral with my grandfather in the car. And we see a UPS truck, and Tristan goes, you piss, fuck. How have you not told me this before? That's so good.

I think I have told this story before. Have you? I think so, yeah. That's so good. I love that. This is one of my favorite things you ever said. So funny. So good.

All right. Well, wherever you're at right now. Tristan, just know, you piss F as well. Visiting his girlfriend's parents right now. He's there in Arizona.

Lovely. It's a warm, it's a warm there. Maybe having some Navajo tacos. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. Not a euphemism. All right, moving on.

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We're going to open up a bunch of new stretch goals today because that's how these things work, I guess. So do you want to find out more about what's happening with that game I mentioned earlier in the show? Head on over to frogpans.com slash rock runners. Now, I know we're recording the finale of the NTP tonight, but... Correct. Anything you want to tell folks about the current state we're in or where we're at or what's up? New episodes. So the patrons are getting new episodes today and tomorrow, I believe.

And then free feeders get the next episode. this week, Wednesday, Thursday, I believe, no, Tuesday, Wednesday, but they're about a week, two weeks behind, so. I like the term free feeders. Free feeders. Free feeders. Yeah. Yeah, a bunch of free feeders. And the season finale of Soundography will be going up on the feed today as well.

The band Cell Dweller. Ooh, I don't know who that is. I never heard of them. They rock. They are, um, that's really one dude. And it's a really cool kind of, uh, electronic like industrial kind of stuff. Oh, look at his hair.

Really, really good. He's got cool hair. Let's see. I'll go listen to some of this today. I like industrial. You should. Yeah. Music. You should listen.

It does a lot of video game music. So you like that a lot. Chip tune and whatnot. Yes. Not chip tune, but like... Oh, like soundtracks and stuff for... Yeah, exactly. All right.

I'm in. Cell Dweller. I will check it out. And also look forward to that. Soundography.com. What else? get Brian's newsletter, the cover letter. You can get it at coverville.

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We're done. Let's get out of here. we're going to do a song though what do you got i get a song uh this one's going out to jim vick boy i mentioned i needed some requests for me guys you guys came through in uh spades just lots of great requests so keep him coming especially if you've got anniversaries or birthdays or things like that this one's going out to jim vick good day scott and brian i've sent a request for others in the past but this one is for me on monday april 12th i will have circled earth for the 54th time I will be 913 days away from being able to retire from my job.

I'm taking the day off from work and going on a bike ride and relaxing around the house. Oh, that sounds so good. I trust Brian to pick a good song to help celebrate my birthday. Thank you both for the years of great entertainment, Jim Vicks and Carlos. Nice. Well, of course, Jim, happy to do that. I don't include your city. I hope I don't dox you there.

Anyway, he said he wanted something to represent the year he was born, 1967. And one of the biggest songs of that year was Jefferson Airplane's White Rabbit. Actually, Jefferson Airplane did it as a cover of the band that Grace Slick was with before Jefferson Airplane. And all of a sudden, the name of that band is not coming to me. Oh, I can't think of it either. I used to know this. I used to know this. Yeah, it's a.

Anyway, whatever band she was with beforehand. White Rabbit, it's covered here by the band Collide. These American, speaking of kind of industrial sound, these guys are great. From their 2000 album Chasing the Ghost, here's Collide and White Rabbit. One pillow makes you larger. One pillow makes you so much more. One mother gives you to the last kiss. When she's 10 feet in Torah

Aliveu, Jason Ruppets A new you're playing for Tamauga Smoking counter I live in your cross When she was just small. Yes, more I'm in the middle of the chest of life

In the hell you will know And it just has some kind of you Your life is moving on Oh, as good I think you know When in logic I am proportionable I'll be bothered

so be there I'm looking at least talking backward and you're doing with heart with head Remember what the door man said The way you're always

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