The Morning Stream - TMS 2098: Down The Q-Hole

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

Reboot, Remake, Revive, Repeat. Its called Prooping. Rules are for Old People. Star Trek: Upper Decker. Non-Fungible Wooden Ball. You Cant Do That On Recommentals with Nicole! Rough Hands Kim. I Don't Like The Things You See In A SciFi Moviiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee! You're Not Keeping Up With The 'Saved By The Bell' News?? You've Got The Phillip K Dick In Ya! Loving the Keenan. Forgetting the Kel. I LOVE THE SPICE NUTS! My mangoes taste like hairspray. VR Office Report with Tom. Reccomentals and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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in the beginning. This is the morning. Exercising demons since 2012. He always says 2012, but really, the first demons were late, 11 that we exercised so yes correct we'll get a correction from scott fletcher at some point okay today's not that day but we'll we'll don't worry we're in accuracy is important yeah we'll bring we need somebody who's been tracking this stuff probably jamie to uh to to get it out there and let

them know hey everybody uh welcome back to tms morning stream time here uh at the frog pants network it's uh wednesday april 14th 2021 we got me scott johnson here in salt lake city over there in the Denver area. We have Brian Epitaine. The Denver area. Arveta, Colorado. Not to be pronounced Arvada. It's Arvada.

Ah, like Nevada, Nevada. It's the same thing. Right. It's really, you know, I don't think you're going to get any shame if you come to Arvada and say, oh, so how long have you lived in Arvada? Yeah, I don't think anyone's going to give you crap. Someone's going to backhand slap you. Not like going to that city in Kentucky and calling it Louisville. Oh, yeah, Louisville.

Don't do that. Orleans. Nobody likes that. exactly yeah that's stupid and lame uh but what's not stupid and lame is us and we're here to prove it uh we're going to do a show so thanks for being here everybody it's wednesday which means uh Nicole and tom uh tom and uh you know that business on the latter half of the show here at the top half we got stuff to talk about to start with before we do even before we even do babel royale i have a babelroy al email to read oh wow okay great this is jared sparticus 903 in the chat i don't know

if he's here today. We're not. Might be. He says, hey, sake and bourbon. Just listen to Monday's episode with the Operation Babel Royale. I too never remembered playing it in the correct way, meaning operation. We always just took turns digging his parts out. Speaking of games, that were never played correctly, has anyone ever played the real game of Mousetrap? I, of course, just set up

the thing and used the traps. At least once, anyway, because the pieces always seem to disappear. Come to think of it, that game was missing pieces when you buy it. Anyway, love the show, Jared. Yeah, Mousetrapped notoriously a game that we had and beat the crap out of and lost parts too

and I think bought two, three times, never played an official rules-based game on it, not once. That's really funny. We definitely played by the rules, but a tenth of the time of the number of times that I put that thing together. And I used to put that thing together,

all the damn time all right so let's see here you've got the crank that turns the thing that makes the shoe kick it kicks over the bucket the ball rolls out of the bucket and starts going down the stairs

back and forth down the stairs lands on is this where it lands on the um when does the bottom of the bathtub thing like there's a little peg that comes down from bathtub drops a bigger ball

which comes down Is that the thing that lands on the teeter-totter that makes the swimmer jump into the, into the that, that brings the trap down? If memory serves, correct. This all sounds right. I think I might be, I think I might be forgetting, there might be a bit in between the, the big, tall thing with all the pipes that the bathtub sits on. Oh, right. Oh, right. Oh, I forgot about the hand.

that pushes up the lever or the what does it push up well something makes that thing go how do we get up to where the trap actually because there's a shoot I'm forgetting that whole shoot thing all right so let's see here oh my god there's a video of the whole of course the whole mouth trap got to be right yeah all right let's see here it's sad to say this actually might have been a really good

babel royale describe in order oh my gosh all right so that's right the stop sign kicks the shoe knocks over the bucket ball rolls down goes down a shoot oh wow okay yeah there's a whole candle lever oh my god this thing went too fast for me to I need slow-mo

this part of the problem is it's hard to keep up with what the frick's going on oh god no kidding so there goes the ball goes down the shoot oh they went too fast yeah they really did the um and I'm looking at the the pieces too god there's so much like

they're streamlined more than they used to be right like I remember those janky stairs being really textured like they are creaky crappy wood that was pulled out of a dumpster oh they were bad everything about this setup was I think

I don't know if I shouldn't say 100% that this is true but it felt like by design because everything yes seemed like it was like well if you don't do it exactly perfect you're screwed right well now they've got yeah this piece right here like now has a puzzle piece thing that connects to it interesting oh yeah it's all nice and it's way of better plastic stuff now too really is geez yeah they've improved it yeah but it never felt like when I was I don't know

what maybe this speaks to me in rules but um and and board games because I don't like them now um but back then I just thought well no this is a fun thing to play with there's no there's no rules freaking forget rules. Rules are for old people. Oh my God. Van would have such a great time playing this with grandpa. Yeah, we may have to go get a modern version of the house trap. Yeah, I think you need to do that.

I'm here at Target. I can get them at Target. They exist. There you go. Yeah. I don't think this candeliever deal. This might be new because I don't remember this candeliever. What do you call that?

Is that called a candle lever? What do you call? Yeah, the thing, it's almost like a catapult, but it's not flinging something. It's just like the weight's pulling this other thing down and that piece is coming up. Not a tribus. I mean, it's really seriously not flinging something. It's just lowering the weight is raising one end and lowering the other. This girl who's doing the setup on the video I'm watching has my wife's hands.

They look like they worked harder than me. if you ever if you ever see my wife's hand you'll know what i'm saying she's got she's got the hands of somebody who spent most of her youth clearing out brush and and taking care of land yeah and uh she's a very soft human being but her hands look like they could tear you uh to pieces that's funny i keep waiting for them to show another close-up of her hands i don't know if it's the same lady or not in my mouth she's sitting on a red couch is at the same oh yeah no i'm watching the same video you are with the armless red couch she's having

way too good a time putting this thing together and I don't mean like Seinfeld manhands I don't mean like that like that episode of Seinfeld where the ladies got the huge manhands not like that but anyway yeah there you go mouse trap the thing of our childhood

still going still strong still a threat you can still go out there and get it I just saw it on Target.com's got it so if you want to get yourself a mousetrap you can all right well thank you jared it's good to have uh the right man for the job to tell us what the hell's going on there spartacus 909 903 rather and if you're in the chat today we salute you for being here it doesn't look like he is though no he's sometimes like the popomatic and trouble did you sometimes

just get trouble out just to just oh yeah bang that popomatic thing yeah yeah i didn't exactly there were that and uh what was the um simon says thing the uh what was that call oh the simon Yeah, the Simon box thing where you just, you try to repeat it or whatever. And that game was simple. It was like literally repeat what the lights do. Yeah. But we didn't care. What would you do?

How would you do that like not playing the game though? Beep boop, beep. Beep, beep. Oh, okay. I got you. So just hitting the buttons just to make the noise. Oh, yeah, just to be obnoxious and piss my mom off. And yeah, that was our job back then.

Piss your mom off. Piss your mom off. Exactly. All right. Speaking of real games. uh we're gonna get yeah let's play a real game scott yeah forget about this fake game bullshit shittery we're gonna get uh brian done away on the call here hopefully this works there we go oh yeah i gotta open the phones here phones aren't quite open yet folks but there will be shortly and what else we

got to do we got to add done away and boy i'm i'm all left up here we go here we go here we go Yes, that's right. It's a great occasion to bring Brian Dunaway in here on the show. Again, what's going on there, Brian Dunaway? Oh, hi, Scott and Brian. Oh, just nothing in joy in my day as usual. Oh, that's nice. That's so nice.

Yeah. Something, something clouds away. Why am I forgetting that? I'm having a stroke or something? No, it's losing the clouds away. And that's it. Chasing the clouds away. And then on my way,

To where the air is clear, sweet, sweet, sweet. Tell me how to get to Sesame Street. That should definitely be a Baberoyal. Can you sing the entire lyrics to Sesame Street? And name off the characters that showed up. Yeah. That might be something, actually. So tell me in the break room right now,

did anyone bring in something and put it on the middle table in the break room for everyone to participate in to enjoy. What do you got there today? Today, no, but instead they did leave in. We have a refrigerator where we have some drinks. And someone had obviously purchased the Pepsi Mango and did not care for it. So there's one drink missing and a big old note that says free. Oh, wow.

Pepsi Mango didn't. That right there tells a full story. That's right. You see the person going to the store, buying it, bringing it home, refrigerating it. I've never even heard of that. That's a real flavor? That's crazy. Yeah, they've even got Pepsi, zero free, whatever they call it, mango as well.

Yeah, I'm not into it. It sounds bad. No, I don't like mango. I grab one and just took a sip out of it. It, you know, it was exactly what I thought it would be. It's a Pepsi with mango flavor. Yeah, mango's weird. Mango's a kind of fruit you use when there's nothing else better to have.

Right. Yeah, I like mango in a salad, but like as far as, hey, let's cut up a mango and just eat the little weird cubes that you have to do to cut them into it. It tastes like soap to me. It tastes like, yes. How about a mango on a pizza? Blah, blah. Don't be talking. I'll be doing that. You say blah, but there's a Captain Jack Sparrow pizza.

We have a local pizzeria. It's got like a brick oven kind of thing going on. And at first I was like, no, gross. And I'm like, let me try a little bit. I was like, I like that. You know, I still say no gross. terrible. Listen, the reason you don't do that, well, I have an anti-fruit on pizza

rule anyway, so I know I'm never going to win that battle a lot of people like my name. No tomatoes, right? Uh, tomato. Ha-ha, it's very funny. Tomatoes are fine. I get it, but tomatoes are weird. Like sweet fruit. I don't, I'm not into it. Take them off of there, sweet fruit. You don't belong there. But I know people like pineapple and they'll never win this battle and I'm never going to try. I'm just saying,

I can't do it myself. I mean, why we have this fight about pineapple and pizza? I don't understand it. You either like it or you don't. Here's the thing about mango. I'm a A pineapple on pizza fan. Brian likes it, for example. Yeah, he likes it. But people don't get this up an arm over anchovies. I mean, like, they do.

Those are gross, too. Don't put those on there. Those are gross. Those are horrible. I like anchovies on pizza as well. But not. There you go. At the same time as the pineapple.

Right. You got to pick your battles. But people who go, I want anchovies, don't get crap. People that say, okay, you like anchovies on your pizza. Okay, weird, but okay, I accept it. No, I give them crap. But you say pineapple and people are like, what's wrong with you, you serial killer? Do you think it's because so many.

jokes and TV shows and movies like said hey give me a large pizza hold the anchovies like but they never say hold the pineapple they normalized it yeah yeah right anchovies become normalized pineapple still waiting for that day

yeah there you have it um I will also say that mangoes taste like hairspray that's why I don't like mangoes okay you gotta take the you gotta take the pill off man no it doesn't matter a real mango stop styling the hair on your mango it's bad it's bad it's bad Although I am getting that, you told me to try that melon-flavored Mountain Dew Zero or whatever.

That was you that told me about that. I've got some of that coming. I've heard of it. Wow. I'm going to give that a shot. I'm all about the diet weird pop now. Yeah. All right.

We got a listener on the line, been very patient hanging on for us while we discuss things like pineapple on pizza. And they're going to participate in today's game a little bit. Let's find out who it is. Hi, thanks for holding. Who's this? Hi, it's Amy. Redfragel in the chat. Hey, Amy. I should have known you would be very patient waiting for us. Thank you for hanging out for us.

I'm cracking up. I'm sitting here just listening and giggling with you guys. I'm glad. I'm glad to hear it. It's always good to have you on. Brian will explain briefly how this works and how your participation today might yield some prizes, Brian. Well, Amy, it's time to play the tadpooly feud. I've surveyed the tadpool on some nerdy topics. Scott and Brian will have to predict the answers that they gave us. It's Scott and Brian's job to see how many those answers. They can guess. And Amy, your job is more important than ever because you're going to be working with either Scott or Brian. If your team wins, you get a prize package that includes a Mad Max mystery figurine, a frog pants print pack, and an SOSS, a signed original Scott Sketch, which I'm abbreviated to an SOS. It'll also be on this, I have these cards printed that are about, I think they're four by six, but in the bottom there's a little TMS logo, circle thing printed on each one of them. So the sketch will be

on one of those cards. A collectible item for sure. It's an official, official frog pan sketch card. A TMS sketch card. I love it. It'll be worth thousands one day of pennies. That's a brilliant idea. Thousands of pennies. Yeah. Anyway. I guess you want a topic, right? Yeah, topic would be good.

Topic? Yeah, all right. Okay. All right. All right. Hands on buzzers. The topic is not buzzer? We surveyed we surveyed the tadpole. Got their answer to this. 500 people surveyed top 10 answers on the board. Name something you almost always see in a science fiction movie.

Scott. You always see a spaceship. Show me. Spaceship. Number two. Number two answer. One answer will beat it, Brian. Oh, sci-fo.

Oh, wow. so wow so stupid I mean I okay stars it's either the number one answer or not on the list at all show me stars ah

that's not there I think I know it's sure how they were writing I think I know what number one is it really is number 11 on the list Brian it's kind of funny right but it actually is the first time that didn't make it on here I couldn't figure out if people were going to be

smart asses, you know, or if they were going to play it straight. Sometimes science fiction is like, you know, Blade Runner and you never go to space. Yeah, yeah. So you never go. Totally. All right, well, very good. So, Scott and Amy, you two will be a team. And Scott, you've got two points on the board from guessing answer number two.

All right. Let's see how many more of these you can get before you get a strike. So, Amy, I'm pretty sure that number one is space and that Brian was close, is my thinking with stars, but it's actually space. How do you feel about that? or do you think we should go a different way? That seems like a fair answer to me. I have another one, but we'll hold mine in reserve just in case this one's not there.

We don't want to get Brian another answer. No, we don't. Good job. You've been listening. Yeah, she knows. All right. Well, then we'll say space, Brian. Let's see if my prediction is correct.

Space. Oh, what? I said right after Brian said that I said, stars, space, literally the 11th answer on the board. And you barely didn't hear me say that. No, I heard you say 11 on the board, but you said stars. You didn't hear you say space. He said stars or space number.

I put those together. So a lot of these you have to kind of bundle together because it's like different, different properties and franchises call the same thing by different names. So I've lumped those all together. Right. Man. I'm going to go. Amy didn't hear it either. Yes, you're up, Brian.

Okay. For the record, I, Mamie didn't hear it either. Neither one of us heard it. It's all right. No, and I wonder if the chat room heard it, but I guess nobody's mentioned it, but yeah. I heard it, Brian, because it supports my calls. I'm going with Android or Robot. I'm going to kind of lump those together.

I'm hoping you put that artificial life form. How about that? Is that too vague? I'll accept it. Show me. Robot. Number five answer on the board. That's a little further down than I feel comfortable with.

That surprises me. All right. So is it back to me now? Yeah. It's still you until you get a strike. I'm going to go with, oh my gosh, this is so crazy. I mean, there's like a million things. I want to say people because I feel like that's going to be a smart ass answer too.

There's got to be number one, right? You know the tadpole and they give smart ass answers. Right. All right. Humans or people. all right show me humans slash people oh my god once i figure out what exactly these people were on that day

i'm gonna tear through this board uh in all the answers nobody said humans or people yeah that is crazy it's probably implied you know yeah one person wrote women or no i'm sorry one person wrote woman woman so am i the biggest smart ass in the tadpools that what i'm You might be overestimating the smart assery, yeah. But the problem is, too, you could just start saying air and feet and shoes. I'm not that big of an asshole. No, no, no.

All right. So it's back to Scott and Amy. All right, Amy. What was the one you were holding on to there? All right. So it was in the same vein as Brian's answer, but it was a little more specific, like a scientist, specifically a scientist of the lab coat. Oh, cool.

like a science officer slash scientist type, Brian. Right, yeah. Okay, I'll go, we can do that. Science fiction. That's smart. I'm going to give a good answer, clap on that one. Yeah, that's pretty good. Could I just really quickly have you read the, uh, name something.

Something. Oh, okay. I almost always see in a science fiction. I got you. Oh, so this doesn't include people. Maybe we don't focus on someone. You almost always see. Are you seeing robots aren't, aren't sentient beings?

Is that what you're saying? Like, data is not. a sentient living being now? You don't have to be. A robot doesn't have to be. Robots in there, right? He's a thing. He's still a thing.

He's a sentient thing. How dare you? I don't know. He's a sentient thing. I guess so. I'm the guy, I'm that guy who got ticked off about the,

not being able to see the nebula or whatever it was on the enterprise, right? Like, damn it, you blew it with your things running around the enterprise. Well, if that's the case, then we'll take the hint. Sure, please do. I can't think that number one thing has not been answered yet.

I just can't imagine. It amazes me that it was the first thing you guys thought. Yeah, crazy. But maybe now that you're thinking of a thing, like aliens or something. Aliens could work, but they're also, are those considered things? They're not really good. Beings, yeah. Yeah, like, I don't know.

It depends on Brian's definition of things. But, yeah, you know what? Well, it depends on the tatpool's definition. We'll say aliens. Let's do it. Aliens. I think that's the safe bit. I think that's the...

Show me those alien things. There you. Yeah, number nine. Yeah. All right. So clearly we only think that of humans are people. Everything else is a thing. Let's keep people out of this, actually.

Let's just, let me narrow it down for all three of you. Keep people out of this. People after this, got you. Or if you used to think aliens with people. Quit thinking aliens or people. Yeah, that's what we're saying. All right. then I'm going to

some sort of phaser slash laser gun Amy what do you think of that like yeah that's that was exactly what I was going to suggest I was going to say what's the ship's laser so phaser laser blaster whatever that category is if you'll

if you'll give it to us on that sure show me laser gun blaster phaser one of those things number one answer yeah laser gun slash blaster slash phaser okay yeah we're a groove now. I see where we're

going. So, still us. Let's see. Oh, what else do you do in every one of these things? I mean, I'm tempted to say lightsaber, but that's such a specific thing, and others rip it off, but it's not like every science fiction movie.

We're always C. Oh, gosh, dang it. Planets, maybe. What do you think? Oh, that's a good one. Maybe, or like, I was thinking like maybe metal machinery, like, you know, outside of robots, but like, you know, kind of industrial machine stuff.

I wonder if that's too vague, though. Yeah. All right, let's get planets out of the way. We'll do planets. Oh, the screen, by the way, for the tadpull so we can see. Yeah. I always switch over. Oh, gotcha.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Go for it. We say, we say, you're saying planets. All right. Show me, planets. Shit.

Oh, my gosh. If it has such a poker face. All right. All right. That's what you do. That's what you want. Morons. You're trying to think, let's see.

I'm looking through. Bagara, I always show the game board. Quit asking for the game board. I show it every time. I'm going with, I'm going with foolheartedly. I'm going with a fly. car even though it's or a future car future car my science fiction all right show me flying car

flying car by the way number 13 on the list so it was it was said by a lot of people but not high enough okay well I'm starting to wonder if light sword or laser sword isn't on there let's a good one laser sword what about a computer oh yeah we didn't say computers wow that's god oh yeah duh that's a good one right in her faces computer yes somebody a scotty talking into a mouse

computers let's put them in there all right show me computer computer number four nice okay that puts us back in the running um all right

and it's totally okay if they see chat because you got no I'm the only person who knows what's on this list. Oh, right. Plus, I only looked at the chat to see who was complaining about not seeing the game board. Yeah. That's the only reason.

But it's totally okay for both of you guys to see the chat, for all three of you. Show disruptors. Um, okay, let's go with, um, okay, so you got to, that was a good one. Computer's good. Tram, maybe it, like a teleporter, transporter, you kind of, I know it's Star Trek heavy, but a lot of people do it. That's smart? Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Teleporter, transporter. Something to that. effect, Brian. Okay. All right. Show me a transporter, be the phrase. Show me transporter.

Shut. Transporter number, a transporter slash teleporter, number 12. So 11, 12, and 13 are literally space, stars, teleporter, and flying car. Nice. That is crazy. That's like the first thing I think of it.

I think of science fiction films. All right. So, uh, there, They are locked at 16 points. You need multiple answers to be able. No, you don't need everything. I mean, if you get answer number 10 and number three, you could steal the prizes away from Amy.

Okay. And like a big need. It sucks. No prize for you. Okay. So things we see in science fiction films that we have not mentioned. I have right. Not people, and not all these science fiction things I think of.

Wow. How about, wow. I just draw blanks on it. I mean, I feel like I'm getting cut off at every corner. For all the science fiction we watch, it's weird that we're having such a lot. I mean, a real serious, not transporter, but, you know, there's always like some time travel mechanic. Yeah. Oh, but God, if all the rest of that stuff is down there, it doesn't seem like it would be there.

But it's all I can go for. So I'm going to go with some type of time traveling device. Like in my answer. All right. All right. Show me a time machine. It's not bad. Oh, man.

Time machine or time travel number 16 on the list. Wow. Geez. Well, what are we missing? Yeah. What are we missing? Amy wins. Now, there might be, we'll see

if there's a controversy about this one, but I do have a way of explaining it. Show me number three. Lasers. Now, that's different laser guns. Yeah, so 33 people said lasers and I'm thinking, all right, well, I'm going to lump that in a laser gun. I'm like, well,

hold on a second. The Death Star isn't a laser gun. It did fire a laser. So lasers would be treated as a separate thing. Okay, fair enough. All right. Uh, show me number six. A scanner.

Oh, I'm happy. I was thinking too big. I was thinking, the thing that, uh, the Star Trek characters walk around with, uh,

you know, both pads and the, um, but that's a computer. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Show me. Show me number seven.

Communicator. Oh, communicator. It was the groove. Man, if you could have got in that groove, man. Yeah. You can run the board.

Show me number eight. This is very Star Trek heavy so far. It kind of is. I was thinking the same thing. We needed to just stay on Star Trek. And what's funny is, I mean, I said in a science fiction movie. So, you know, there's only been a dozen Star Trek movies. But come on.

There's so many other things. And then show me number 10, which now you see. Oh, what is so Star Trek across the board. are you kidding we have automatic doors now why would you need what now think but a lot of people like the the expanse season finale had just ended when we did this survey so scanner tablet pad those little clear pad and people even said you know like i'm going to buck rogers did out of here and then i'm going to wake up like in the 25th century and be amazed by sliding doors no right right those those are the croger so other things in the list here that I thought are fun a space suit a monitor or a display big monitor an alien artifact androids I treated separately from robots

androids and robots not the same thing and somebody would have bitched at me if I would have if I would have lumped those two together an airlock somebody said barrels I think they're playing a lot of space games or Mario big red button boobs for some reason

came up right colored drinks. Co-edged showers. It might have been the same person who said boobs. I don't know if they filled a survey out multiple times. Yeah, the guy that said woman, boobs, and co-ed shower. I think that might be. Sleep chambers, cryosleep chambers was another thing.

Wouldn't be it mattered, but that's a good one. Flame thrower, flashing lights, glass phones, heads-up display. Jacob's Ladder. Oh, glass phones is probably, that's absolutely a reference to it. That's totally expensive kind of thing. lens flare another good one lens flare one

one person said lightsaber it's amazing that that wasn't more popular metal dishes metal dishes that's interesting that's a good point plot holes you're like alien and that kind of stuff who said plot holes I feel like I need to know who that is that's great

virtual reality useless lights and of course Tom Cruise that's your answers for 10 movies Wow Well, the good news, everybody, is this. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Once again, Amy, you've won today to get those prizes. You just have to send me an email, Scott at Frogpants.com, and I will hook you up. How do you feel about your win today? I am excited. That was super fun, and I'm excited for my swag. Awesome. Well, we always love having you on and look forward to sending this stuff out to you ASAP. Well done.

All right. Brian, done away. You came, you saw, you went. Good job. Yeah, I didn't win, but I did help somebody else win. Correct. What more can I ask for? It was a real toss-up, seriously.

Like, I really didn't think either of us were going to. It was a tough one, too. Like, I see the answers, so I feel like, oh, my God, this is so easy, like laser guns and computers and that sort of thing. But once you get on a track of thinking of, like, space and being out there and stars and planets and things like that, I can see why it's like, okay, back down to inside the spaceship, what do you find? Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good. Hey, Dunaway is on some shows that are pretty cool. I'll tell you one of them, the boop show, which happened last night. And we did a really great show about a couple of very cool games. Yours was called, was it Wildfire? What is it? Wildfire. Wildfire. Looked awesome. I'm totally curious about it. Yeah, stealth puzzle platformer. Amazing game. I really enjoy it so far. Yeah. It's pretty neat. And what did I play? I don't even remember now. Oh, so Brian, you talked about it on this show from Apple Arcade. Cozy, yeah, you played a Cozy Grove. Right, Brian, Ibit played it on Apple Arcade. Oh, Dorphormantic. I haven't played it yet.

I haven't bought it. No, not Dorframantic. The Cozy Grove. Cozy Grove. Cozy Grove. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's on Cozy Grove. Yes, Cozy Cove. Grove. Grove is right. Yeah. Yep. It's almost as if I said the word 15 times that no one heard. We did. We did. But yeah, that, that game is It started on Apple Arcade, but then it showed up on Steam, and then they sent me a code, and I thought, well, why not? Let's try it. And I actually think it's the superior version with controller support. It's very, very good. It is so much better with controller support. You got to. Yeah, I'm using my Nimbus with the iPad, and it's so much better that way. But the art is so beautiful in that game.

Yeah, it's really cool. It's a, it's an animal crossing type thing. So if that sounds like it's, you need a break from regular animal crossing, like a lot of us do. It's like a gated animal crossing. Yeah, very gated. It's gated as hell. Oh, my gosh. Anyway, it's good. And you should check it out. Go watch that show or listen to it. You can find all of the details at frogpants.com slash boop.

Brian, don't know anything else you want to mention. Oh, Scott Johnson. I'll be streaming my first episode of my boop show homework for this next week tonight at 5.30. So if you tune in to Twitch, 5.30 p.m. Eastern Time, be playing the boop show homework. I was going to play one game, but I think I've backtracked. Oh. I'm going to play something else. Yeah.

Look at you. The one I do. The way I told you was going to play, kind of the reviews weren't very well. And I'm like, oh, I don't want to play a game that might not be good. Yeah, you don't want to play a game where the reviews aren't very well. Don't do that. Well, all right. Watch him do his homework.

You never asked when you were a kid, but now we want you to. So watch his homework and enjoy it along with him. He is on Twitch at Brian Dunaway. Brian, have a fantastic week. We'll see you soon. No, you. Bye. What do you say, no, you're?

No, you have a good week. Something weird about that. All right. Hey, let's do a quick news story. Why the heck not? It's time for the news. Brought to you by. We made our teams create a daily news-style show, giving them their headlines just a day before they had to turn in their

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And it was a good episode. I enjoyed that one. It was. It was very good. All right. Let's dive into this story here about CBS. They're the, what is it? The Paramount Plus Network, those guys?

They're the ones, the Paramount Plus Network. CBS All Access. Are they the Tiffany Network? Isn't that their thing? So I said, what about breakfast at Tiffany? They said, what are going to be... I love that song. Yeah.

CBS, Columbia Broadcasting System, that's what it is. Sure, sure. Involved in a McGiver lawsuit. Yeah, you heard me right. That partially involves whether a remake is a spinoff or not. This felt appropriate to our interests a little bit. I love this. Yeah, this is great.

TV studios like to throw the words remake and reboot, revival, spinoff, all that kind of stuff around, kind of willy-nilly. But with many of them having seemingly interchangeable definitions, what really is the difference, says this article? Well, the most straightforward interpretation would most likely be that a remake is a new version of an old thing. A reboot is a different version of an old thing. And a revival is a continuation of an old thing. Correct. And a spinoff is a new thing that is related to a different thing. I like these simple definitions are pretty good.

All right. So let's, let's talk about some recent examples. All right. Fear the Walking Dead. Spinoff. Very good. Saved by the bell. Oh. Original, I guess.

I don't know. Is it based on something? I'd say it's a continuation because, or revival. Oh, they're redoing. I didn't know there was a new thing. I didn't know there's a new thing. Oh, yeah. Sorry.

I thought you'd heard about. I thought I've been paying attention to me. The recent one day at a time. Oh, that would be a. I think that's a reboot on that case, right? Yeah, reboot remake. So that would be the question, right? What's the difference between a reboot and a remake?

Yeah, maybe they're the same. It says here, yeah, they don't actually get into that distinction. I would assume a remake and reboot is the same. Although reboot implies that you're going to start it up again. Maybe reboot is, yeah, with the same. Right. something has to remain the same for a reboot, but a remake

would be all new actors, all new characters, just the title of the show, and the overall premise of the show is the same. Yeah. Like, okay, then there's another thing that we haven't touched on. We just watched SWAT for FilmSack, which is

based on a 1970s series. Yeah, and now there's a new series. Right, there's a current series going on now. So what was the movie a... What is the movie a... What is the movie? it's not a reboot it's not a remake it's a reimagining an adaptation i don't know i mean if it changes if it changes media right goes from being a tv show to a movie would that still be considered

it wouldn't really be a remake because you're not remaking the series you're making a movie based on the series yeah good point tice tomato made a pretty good joke says avatar is a remake of dances of wolves he's not that's the truth that's but uh yeah so remake same story different actors, reboot same actors to continue story? No, that's a revival by America. A revival, same actors. Right. That's a revival. Yeah. We got that one okay.

Yeah, reboot, remake. That's, that's, I want a good example of what, what's a reboot and what's a remake. Yeah, that's the one definition. I think your adaptation is right for, you know, TV to movie. That's an adaptation. And then if somebody does another adaptation,

later, that could be considered Reboot. Why wouldn't that be a revival, though? Which one? X-Files. I would call that revival, because there was no reboot. They started. They didn't start over. Because it's continuation, the same story, same actors. Same characters,

all that, yeah. Same characters. Same with Twin Peaks. Tom Holland Spider-Man is a reboot. Yes. Anytime they had a new Spider-Man, it was a reboot. For sure. There's no continuation there. Yeah, maybe reboot and remake are the same thing. I think reboot and remake is the same thing, except boot has the idea of like a computer,

like you reboot it. Like all things are the same. You're just starting over. Whereas remake gives some creative liberties you didn't have with booting. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Okay, what would Picard?

I guess Picard would be a spinoff. Picard is both spinoff. See, that's interesting, because that's both spinoff and revival, because it's the same character. No, you know what? Spinoff's the definition. Yeah, because Frasier is a spinoff of Cheers. Correct. Yeah, so you're right.

It's straight up spinoff. That's what that is. Yeah. Whereas something like, see, that gets weird with Star Trek because Discovery is this weird, original, but is so based on so much previous Star Trek. stuff. It's, I would still call it a spin-off because it is, it takes place in the same universe as the original series and next generation. That's fair. I think everything since TOS would be a spinoff then. Yeah, maybe upper decks could be, well, that would be a spinoff too.

Yeah, anything, anything after TOS, I think you have to call spin-off. They may be super original and cool. And I would call the JJ movies adaptations. Right? Because those aren't, they're the same characters, not same actors, but it's an adaptation of, like SWAT. It's like SWAT. I feel like that's a good definition of a reboot is. So, okay, all right. Well, with movies, it's a lot easier, right? Star Trek is a reboot, but Star Trek Beyond is a remake of the Wrath of Khan. Or not beyond. Not beyond. Into darkness.

Sorry, into darkness. Right. So it gets muddy with Star Trek because they do a lot of overlap. It's weird. It's so much easier to describe it, so much easier to do it with movies. Yeah. Define those two words than it is with TV shows. Right.

But like SWAT, but it also has some of the qualities of SWAT because SWAT's a TV show. Right. And Star Trek's a movie. Ever was a TV show and then is movie, but it was a movie multiple times, different eras, and then a complete reboot and adept. with the new stuff. Star Trek's weird. Star Trek F's with this a little bit.

They kind of F with it all. They do. Well, and Talia says TNG could be considered a reboot. I mean, you get Spock's, you get some of the same actors and characters from the original series in Next Generation. You get, you know. Oh, yeah.

I completely disagree with that. Bones, I think, is Bones, bones in that? Or is he just divorced Kelly in a different... No, that was him at the beginning. That was Bones. He lived a long time in the... So spin-off, I feel like TNG sits squarely in the spin-off category. Yeah, spin-off, definitely not continuation, because, again, it's not.

Right. But this is why Star Trek's weird, because in some ways, some characters are continuations, and Scotty getting stuck in the teleporter thing is a weird continuation of his story. J.K. Kramer says, this conversation is even better than the Pumba conversation. I don't, I don't agree. I think, I disagree, too. This is as good as the Pumba conversation. This one, I feel like we know what we're talking about.

Yeah, we're not like struggling to find the words. We know what, what, we're just having, this is a good, a good philosophical discussion about what, what is defined as what. But since the, but since this, you know, the article that we're talking about is talking about a McGuiver lawsuit that's based on the TV show. We can't really pull in movies into this discussion. Movies are a lot easier to define, reboot, remake. And I don't even know if you have a revival that just isn't a sequel. Right. It's a movie. Good point.

Well, all right. So here's the deal. According to... Oh, look at this. Jay and Silent Bob 2019. Dice Tomato has an audio clip we could play where Kevin Smith discusses the difference between reboot and remake. Oh, you're kidding me.

Are you for real? Here. Yeah, do you have the link? Yeah. Okay. Put it in now. Let's have a lesson here. Whoops. It's muted. I cannot believe they're going to remake this Blump Damn bullshit.

Oh, pause for one second. I wonder, if you prepared, there might be some, uh... There may be some swears. Might be some swears. I'll pause and wear if need, or I'll mark him. Okay. What the fuck is a real? All right.

Go ahead. My warning, three words is early. That's good. All right. We'll see what we can get out of this. Here we go. Beboot. Well, a reboot, boys, is when Hollywood

would want to make a lot of money without the hassle of creating a new movie. So they take an old movie and change just enough to make you pay for the same shit all over again. Those greedy f***ing all. Oh, it's insidious. They take a flick you loved as a kid and add youth and diversity to it. For example, name the movie where a robot has secret plans that could help the good guys beat the bad guys and their leader in a black mask by blowing up a giant ray gun in space. Star Wars?

No, the Force Awakens. See, now that's what you call a reboot. none. Wow. All right. So I still haven't seen that movie and also really like Jason Lee. Jason Lee is great. He, uh, you know, the Jay and Silent Bob is a known quantity, but Jason Lee really elevates any of those, any of those Kevin Smith films that he's in. Completely agree. All right. Uh, that's your story. They're fighting over McGuire because nobody can define it. Exactly. They're just having exactly the same problem that we are. I mean, although their, their argument is spin-off and yeah they're saying it's a spin-off but the the the sewers are saying

well no this is part of the original mcgiver franchise and therefore qualifies as part of whatever the original agreement was they're saying it's a continuation yeah i mean if the if the original character of mcgiver if this is mcgiver's son in the new mcgiver or you know even if it's not harry dean not harry dan nelson was the guy's name uh is it harry dean oh um who's the guy who played MacGyver? Oh, no, no. Jeffrey Dean Morgan. It's a three-nameer. It is. Hold on. It's a Stargate

S-G-1. Richard Dean Anderson. Richard Dean Anderson. Thank you. Harry Dean Stanton, Richard Dean Anderson. Combine those. Combine those in your Seth Brendel telephone. Now, that was like Pumba, okay? Just for the record. That was Puma. There's your Pumba moment. Exactly. Richard Dean Anderson. He was a he was a cheater, right?

But, all right. So, if his character is kind of the handing off of the launch of this series, then it's a spin-off, right? Because it's really, it's taking place in that same universe. McGuiver exists.

He's turning, he's passing the baton onto the next character. Then, yes, I think we just lost Twitch. That, I can't believe it took that long to come up with it. But that is exactly it. That is the perfect definition. I can't believe how long it took to get to but that is exactly the definition that defines remake versus reboot. Perfect. Well done. Well said. Well done. We fixed it all.

Awesome. Oh my God. Yeah. But you know what's better about the great thing about this story is not all these definitions or who's right or who's wrong is that I know that there will be a bunch of professional high price lawyers and suits walking around an expensive courtroom trying to argue with the judge about what a McGiver reboot versus remake versus freaking spinoff means. That's amazing. I love that visual. Can we get cameras on that? Can C-SPAN cover this, please? Because that's interesting to me. That's right. That's right. I hope you kept recording, by the way, while the stream was down because then, you know, people who came for the live stream can go back to listen to the podcast and hear the perfect definition that defines. Yeah.

Some of you may have missed it because of the outage there, but it's all there. It's all back. Oh, my God. That was so perfectly well described. Oh, my God. All right. You wouldn't believe it, you guys. I mean, we'd say it again right now if we thought it was going to be.

we know you heard it. It's fine. You guys heard it. We know you heard it. It's all cool. And if you didn't, you can go back and, you know, hear it again. All right. We're going to take a break. When we come back, Tom Merrill will join us for a little tech news at the top of the hour. A little over that. And Nicole, after that, for some recommendals today. I'm excited to talk about mine. I see Brian's got one. And Brian even made a fun little file out of one, which is... I did. Looks like something we can use.

You can even play that right. I gave it to you because I think. You want it for your soundboard. It's pretty good. Here it is. Trouble micer. Trouble micr. Oh, I love it. It's so good.

There's something... Trouble micer. There's something familiar about it. Trouble micer. I wonder if they've... I don't know why it's so familiar. All right, but yeah, that'll be a permanent edition. Anyway, we're going to take a break when we come back.

Tom Merritt, so stick around, but we got to do a song first. Brian, what's the song? Yeah, so do you remember a singer by the name of Jose Gonzalez? Vaguely. About five years ago, he released. his previous album, he's finally back with a brand new album that is going to come out on September 17th. Yeah, that's a long time to wait, man. That's like eight months, or I mean, four months to do only math really quick. I forgot what month we were in. Anyway, Jose Gonzalez

got a brand new album coming out on September 17th. It's going to be called Local Valley. But we have, we're premiering a song here. This is the first single from the the album. It is called Visions. Here is Jose Gonzalez. Nice. We'll be right back. Stay tuned. vision imagining the words that could be shaping them a psych of fate for all sentient beings

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Trouble maker. He's a real troublemaker. Trouble maker. Troubacher. All right. Tom Meriden coming. Watch out. Duck your heads.

Uh, swooping in out of nowhere. Well, not out of nowhere. We knew he was coming in. This is a man who knows how to make a daily news podcast. That's what I've heard. With the computer, as with any tool, the concept and direction must come from the man. That man is Tom Merritt, and he does know how to make a daily tech show. In fact, he's probably preparing for one right now.

Everybody welcome with us, won't you? Mr. Tom side camera, Merritt. Hello, Tom. Well, hi. It's totally fine. I don't mind your side camera at all. There it goes. I hate to give you the side camera.

I die. Sorry about that. That's all good. No worries. It's like we're getting the behind the scenes of Tom segment. Yeah. You can see my stolen artwork. Yeah, you can almost see his weird dungeon. He keeps down there, which is people tied up. Anyway, it's Tom Merritt, everybody. You love him, you know him. And he comes on Wednesdays. We talk about the daily tech news of the day in preparation for the big daily tech news show today at 2.30. Tom Merritt, today's no difference. So lay it on us. What's going on out there? Well, I imagine one of the things we'll be talking about on DTNS today is the update to the Oculus Quest 2 that Facebook announced. I haven't heard about this. What's that? Oh, yeah. I've not heard about this, yeah. So one thing that'll be coming is support for 120 hertz games.

Right now, the refresh rate is as low as I think 72, usually around 90. But the screens are capable of 120 hertz. So Facebook says that 120 hertz support will be coming. for games that take advantage of it. So it probably won't be available on existing games unless they do an update. Facebook says it's not going to do anything to the home screen to make the home screen 120 hertz, because I think it probably pushes the chip too far and reduces battery life. So what's it good for?

Well, that's the other announcement. Wireless link to your PC over your local Wi-Fi network. So this doesn't go out over the Internet or anything. this just connects directly over Wi-Fi in your home to your PC and then can stream your VR games from there and those could take advantage of 120 Hertz that that for sure could work that's interesting because yeah because a lot of those PC game PC based VR experiences are already taking advantage of 100 and even like 144 Hertz monitors and stuff so so and in a lot of cases they would support it but that's interesting like

Hmm. I'm looking at some of this article here. I'm trying to understand a little bit more about latency and some issues that you might have with your wireless network, but that's huge. That's a big thing. As Facebook says, here's a big long list of compatible hardware and what will work really well and what will work, Quest Shrug. They say that AMD graphics cards will only work at half the resolution of an Nvidia card for what they're calling the link. the air link. So your mileage may vary. This may not work for you, even if you have an Oculus Quest 2. And you have to have an Oculus Quest 2 to make this work. Yeah. But if you have, you know, powerful enough PC hardware

and your local Wi-Fi network speeds, again, this is not your internet speeds. This is your capability of your router. Right. Then you should be able to pull it off. You should be able to do it, which, you know, is nicer than having to hook it up by a cable. You can hook the Oculus Quest 2 up by a.

cable right now and get exactly the same thing and it's better because it's a direct connection but if you don't have to use the cable well then maybe you'll have that option yeah the 120 hertz mode is an interesting thing because that that's also in kind of late breaking hey your consoles will now support that kind of thing with uh Xbox series X and PlayStation 5 if your TV supports it and then you're still left with like well what games supported and there are some that do and some that don't um the good news is in a lot of VR cases the PC version that of say beat saber already support 120 hertz and now your headset will be able to my guess is what they'll do is patch that's a simple patch for something like that game

and others so so I don't think it'll be I think you'll see a lot of these actually start to pop if you know when this goes live and if those and the games that are you know basically tailor made for fast frame rates are going to probably patch them and you're going to end up with those experiences that's very very cool I didn't realize that the display hardware supported 120 in the first place. So that's good news. You mentioned Beetsaber. Interestingly, Ours Technica points out that Beetsaber has the lowest refresh rate it can get away with.

Interesting, really? Right, because if you crank it up, it ruins the battery life. And then people can't finish their workout. So it does 72 hertz. I would not expect Beetsaber to take advantage of 120 hertz for that very reason. That's interesting. So then this is, here's what I would say then. Use the Beat Sabre PC version, which will do it.

Right. And then if your wireless is good enough, I don't know, you still probably have the battery problem, maybe even more so, because now you're relying on. Well, no, but you're relying on the hardware in the PC to do the 120 hertz. You're just streaming the video. So I think that is easier on your on your PC, on your battery in the Oculus 2. Yeah. Because it's not having to locally process, whereas Beat Saber on the headset is having to locally process.

it. At least that's my guess. Also the other thing about 120 hertz is that's fine on a game console because it's buttery smooth and it looks good. It's almost essential if you want a game for a long time on a headset. Right? Because

the lower that refresh rate is, the faster your eyes get tired. Yep, that's true. Having played my first 120 hertz experiences on a console, I can tell you that you think you can't see past a certain refresh rate, but there's something really smooth

and nice about 120. It's really good. It's kind of the difference, too, between the original iPad Pro and then the follow-up year went to 120 hertz screen and if you were drawing on those things, night and day difference and how smooth it was. So I'm all for this.

I'm all for our... We've got to get to the point where our eyes just no longer can tell the damn difference between reality and refresh rates. So this is... And that's when they reveal that all of this has been virtual reality that we've been living in. Oh, no. Oh, no. And then we'll find out why we prefer films at 24 frames per second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is, this is interesting. And Sarah

Lane has an article we might be talking about regarding workouts in virtual environments. They, they, you know, is VR the next frontier in fitness says, asks the verge. Oh. So we might be talking about that. All kinds of all kinds of good VR stuff. Nice. As well as other off coming to day. Oh, I almost forgot. The other thing that a lot of people might be interested in with the Oculus, and this will work on the original Oculus, not just the Quest 2, is the Infinite Office compatibility. So to start with, you'll be able to link a Logitech K830 keyboard, Bluetooth keyboard, eventually more keyboards, but starting with that one, to your Oculus Quest, and then you'll be able to see a virtual representation of the keyboard in VR and your hands. because it does hand tracking. Oh, wow. And then be able to type in VR. The idea being eventually you'll be able to have multiple monitors in virtual reality.

There's as big as you want them and be able to type using your keyboard. That's pretty cool. And then your hand, it does the hand tracking for your mouse clicks and that's right. Exactly, exactly. Wow, you'll be like Tom Cruise in, what should we call it, Minority Report. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, why not? Still needing a type, still needing a type on a keyboard. That's right.

except you're just trying to poop out a little ball that has someone's name on it, a little wooden ball. I kind of like that for writing. Like writing completely without distraction, being able to kind of block everything out. That's cool. By the way, you could have a nice seascape or something in the background,

so it's nice and calm. I meant to tell you this before, Tom, and I completely spaced it when I saw a minority report again. But I think that movie predicted, uh, somewhat predicted the idea anyway of blockchain slash NFT slash whatever. And by that I mean, everyone always wonders why

like when you find out there's going to be a future murderer committed in that movie, the machine 3D prints and poops out a wooden ball with a unique. Because wood is 100% unique. Like, it's a bit like fingerprints, but even more so.

The grain is unique no matter no matter what. And so that ball cannot be duplicated, replicated. And the concept is that if this is truly a pre-cog murder, then we have to be 100% sure and it has to be on one of these balls that cannot be compromised, like in a weird way, and it's still a physical thing, but in a weird way, they kind of predicted this idea of like a non-reproducible

permanent. Well, that's a circle, right? The idea of non-reproducible items for authentication has been around for a long, long time. Sure. And so a minority report took that to a certain technological direction, and NFTs are taking it in a different technological direction. So there's definitely a similarity. Yeah, I saw that and just thought, oh, man, this is like a weird, not prediction,

but it's like a weird kind of stumbly half step toward the idea of what we're trying to do these days. Yeah, yeah, I walk down the same lane, if you will. I like that movie unapologetically support that film. Also, I prefer the short story. Yeah, you're more of a, you get the Philip K. Dick in you. That's had terrible. Oh, hello.

You like, Tom likes Philip K. Dick novels, is what I'm trying to say. I really didn't mean that to come out that way. It totally screwed that up. That totally will never end up in a mash-up or a show title or anything. It won't haunt me. It won't haunt me at all. Hey, Tom Merritt, also along with Daily Tech News show, which I'm on today, I'm super excited to be. There's other stuff going on in your orbit.

What else do you want to mention today? Well, my friends, we had an electronic vehicle special on Daily Tech News show. So if you're a DTNS subscriber, you might not, you might already know about this because it went into the feed for patrons on Saturday and for everybody else on Sunday. But if you're not a DTNS subscriber, but you are interested at electric vehicles, we got two Tesla owners, a Kia or a Hyundai Kona EV owner and the host of the Killalot EV podcast to all gather and talk about what it's like to own an electric vehicle speaking to people who don't. so hey folks from people who drive them all the time here's what our experiences is like and it was great really really good conversation and a good introduction to what is uh you know different about EVs what is problematic with EVs and what is a myth about EVs that you might have heard and isn't true so we we bust a little fud talk about how EVs work that is all at daily tech

news show.com look for the episode on Sunday yeah and I assume not all owners of EVs are uppity weiner jerks, too. No, I, you know, I'll leave the audience to judge, but I would guess you'd find none of the hosts, none of the guests on the panel were uppity weeners. Look at you breaking down the walls here. This is fantastic. All right, Daily Tech News Show,

changing our minds one day at a time. Check it out today at 2.30 Mountain Time and all the other cool stuff around at Tom Meridase Detect on Twitter. Thanks for hanging out with us. And we'll see you later. Thanks, man. Bye, y'all. See you.

Bye, Tom. all right this Oculus thing just makes me want to wait for a three is that weird because every time we introduce something cool

yeah I go it's like half cycle right like halfway through the lifespan of a thing I'm like

well then three is gonna be way better yeah I'm still I'm still fine with my my quest

original yeah vanilla but I'll wait till the three it's kind of like what I do with iPhones

like every other every other iteration I upgrade it's a good way to do it Although I usually tape every year I'm ready for those new iPads that are going to get announced next week. Do we know what there, do we know anything? No, we just know that a week from yesterday

will be the Apple announcement and maybe we do a, you know, we've been teasing about doing a you and me live watch. Yeah, why not? Apple stream thing. Yeah, I'd be down with that. We're trying to look, so there is talk of a new pro. Yep.

Yeah, new, basically no, new form factors of the iPad pros, but new chip new guts, new speed, maybe a new pencil, some other stuff. Well, that helps me because I like to drop it. And maybe a new IMac and yeah. And their logo, their hint, their T's logo for this event is super artsy,

which makes me. It's pencil-y. Yeah, which makes me think big Apple pencil announcement, which means artists beware, because that is still like the standard right now. It's so good. I'm so excited. Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah. New Apple TV. You think they're talking about a an Apple TV that's got a built-in sound bar. Oh, that's cool. Mm-hmm.

Although, that'll be expensive. Mm-hmm. Because Apple don't do cheap. Apple don't do cheap. We don't do cheap. All right. We do Nicole. Our products aren't cheap.

Products. I wonder, I assume it'll still be him walking around an empty building. These are things that we're really excited to bring you. You made him older sounding than he is. I did. I can tell you. Well, he's not going to any younger. Totally did.

Yeah. I'm calling Nicole, although I've got a text. Let's make sure this isn't her. I'll work on my Tim Apple impersonation. Not make him so Jimmy Stewart. Wow, Mary, you want the new eye moon? I'll throw an eye lasso up there and pull it down for you.

Mary. Mary. Oh, look who that is. Nicole laughing at it. Oh, hi, Nicole. How old have you been there? Hi. Yeah, she just picked up.

Hey, look, we've got to play this. Oh, Nicole. My sweet Nicole. It's Nicole Spagnolo, joining us all the way from Colorado, her own self. Hello, Nicole. How are you? Hello, hello. Where's the dog bed behind you?

I want to see Dougie laying in the dog bed behind you. I don't know. They move around. He's actually on the side here. Hey, Dougie. Who is? Dougie. Come here, buddy.

I don't see Mark's hand. either. I usually see his hand over there. Yeah, he's not a discomputer. Aw, that's right. Oh, Dougie. That's okay. My microphone. Well, welcome.

It's good to see you. He's here. I'm petting him. Okay, good enough. That qualifies. That wins. Yeah, that wins. All right. Hey, it's good to see. We're going to do a recommendals, which means a chance for us. You can kind of see him.

A little lump in here there. Dougie's butt. Yeah. His little cinnamon bowl, uh, cinnamon bun on his butt. Cinema Bowlbond. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We know what kind.

Hey, let's do recommendals. Brian, we always start with you, and I see that you've got a clip here. Do you have any set up for this clip that you're going to recommend? This is, again, as we're going as we're two weeks away or just under two weeks away from the Oscars. This is another film that has Oscar nominations involved with it, not best picture, but another category. And it'll be pretty obvious when you hear a name said in this clip. Excellent. Here we go. I cannot believe that we have the opportunity as I live and breathe to interview the lady, the legend, my hero.

Miss Billy Holliday, the Lady Day. Which do you prefer, honey? She prefer you pay up money first. Tell me, tell me. what's it like to be a colored woman would you ask Doris Day a question like that well Doris Day is not colored silly I want to talk strange fruit

yes strange fruit my audience wants to know you keep getting in trouble for it but you are determined to keep singing it Troublemiker. Do you ever see a luncheon? Troubomiker. I may have played that. Troubomiker.

Three times. Hey, it's just fun. So it's that Billy Holiday deal. That's right. The United States versus Billy Holiday, which tells the story of something that I'd only really known about very, very tangentially. So Billy Holiday, a classic American singer.

and had a song that she wrote or co-wrote called Strange Fruit, which was directly written in the 1940s specifically about lynching of African-American people. And that caused a lot of trouble with the government. They wanted her to stop singing that song in concert. And they would literally pull her off. off stage at shows if she started singing it. They even put her in jail for a year and a day because if you're in jail for over a year because of this law, you can't perform in certain cabaret settings.

So basically it's like, you know, they figured out a way to keep her from being able to legally perform in small intimate clubs and making it so she has to perform in large places. But, of course, putting her in jail before all that. um i had no idea yeah yeah it is so good uh andra day is nominated for best actress she actually got the golden globe for best actress for um for her performance as billy holiday she's really really good natasha leone who i think is is good in everything you know she's nickels and orange is the new black she was an american pie she was in russian doll uh she plays uh toulula bankhead who is an actress around the same time of the 40 she doesn't know how to be a bad actress she's amazing she doesn't

she really doesn't yeah she's really good um i'm trying to think if there's anybody else in here that is like a uh a name you know american pie notwithstanding everybody all right she was still good in it yeah yeah it's directed by lee daniels who um did uh produce monsters ball and of course uh got the nominations for um the butler a few years ago um precious Anyway, it's really, really good. Tells it such a great story, and you realize, you know, Billy Holiday you think of as this, this pristine, clean-cut musician from the 40s and 50s, just this amazing, you know, like Girl Scout of a singer, right? But no, she had a very dark side to her. And it comes through.

It's represented very well in this film and surprised the hell out of TNA and I. Really, really good stuff, though. Really good film. And, you know, it deals with a very dark subject. You actually see some photographs of lynchings that kind of set the tone for this film. That's going to be something kind of on the heavier side. Yeah, it looked like somebody I'd immediately like to see. Where's it streaming?

Hulu, right? Oh, it's streaming on Hulu. Yes. I can watch it on Hulu. I'll also say that using a very complex way of doing things, a very complex method, I watched The Father, which was the only one of the other Best Picture nominees that I hadn't seen yet. And if you get an opportunity to see it, this is one with Anthony Hopkins, Olivia Coleman. Oh, yeah.

That looks great. It is freaking excellent. I think promising young woman and the father and Mank might be my three favorites of this year's crop of best picture. How depressing is the father? How much am I going to be like, oh, my gosh, freaking. It looks like a real downfall of a guy with Alzheimer's to me. It is, but it's interesting. I'll tell you that it's the first movie I can think of where you actually, where, you know,

there was that still Alice with Julian Moore that talked about it. This is the first movie I can think of where you feel the experience that someone with Alzheimer's or dementia is going through. And I've never seen a film do that before in this kind of situation. And it's really, really good. Not as depressing as, I don't know, I felt like Nomad Land kind of left me. sad and bummed. I don't know why, but, um, okay. So some, some, some bright edges to it. Some bright edges to it. And the acting, Olivia Coleman's great. Anthony Hopkins is absolutely incredible as you'd expect him to be. Yeah. And, um, Imogen poots. Oh, I like imaging poots.

We like a good image and poots. Yeah. She's in there. She's great. Are we talking about a new movie? I'm sorry. Yeah, I was talking about the father. Okay. I had to go give Pira booty to Ava. Oh, of course. Don't we all? Don't we all? Don't we? What was it called again? That one's the father, but I didn't have an audio clip for that. I was just talking about because it's not streaming. It's not on included streaming yet.

It's something to pay to rent. But I'm going to scratch that off the list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you take it off for now. United States versus Billy Holiday on the list because it's very, very good. Well, that's cool. I really do want to see the father as much as the subject itself bums me out.

He's just too good not to watch. He really is. You might have a very, you'll have a way to watch that, Scott. It might be very complex, but you might have a way to watch that. It's a complex, plex way to watch a film. Yeah, it's a very complex way to watch a film. It's perplexing in ways. So I get you.

Look, I'll watch it behind plexy glass and see if I can see it okay, and it'll be fine. Don't worry, everybody. All right. Hey, one tiny note, image and poots, I just watched her when I re-recommended 28 weeks later, She's in, she, that was like one of her first roles. She's in there, too. Wow. She's the daughter. She's great in it.

She is great. She may be the only survivor from that film. There's a lot of controversy about that. All right, anyway, uh, let's move on to what, to this, mine. To you. To you. Here's my clip. I've talked a lot about,

trouble my girl. I've talked a lot about this in, uh, previous weeks, but I did finally finish. This is my first chance of had to do a proper recommendel. Here's a clip. Initially, I thought I was making a film that would uncover who was behind Q&on with this bigger thematic question of digital free speech online.

Q started in October of 2017, but when Reddit bans Q&O almost a year into Q's drops, you know, my ears perked up. What was an idea that was so dangerous that it warranted being banned?

I set out to unmask Q because all of its power was derived from anonymity. Okay, so obvious. I started watching this too. I haven't. Did you? Yeah, I'm going to start watching it this week. First episode. How many episodes are there? Six. Six total. And the sixth one is crucial. Hour long, hour long each. Yeah, hour 48 minutes, something like that. Cue into the storm. Oh, not into the C hole. Not into the C hole. I really like, I like, I like Nicole's title better.

I'm just going to go out of live and say, down the cue hole. Down the C hole. So it is a, it's a very, yeah, it's an entire documentary dedicated to Star Trek's Q and his crusty space hands. No, not really. It's very, very, very good. And I think this dude should win whatever television documentary award you give, you give to this guy. The other day, somebody was saying, what about Crip Camp or like 10 other movies? I'm like, no, no, I'm not talking about films. This is like a series. Whatever award series get on TV for their documentary series, he should win all of them. And the reason he should win them all is because this thing which I was afraid to watch in the first place because I didn't want to just sit and dwell on a bunch of psychopaths because they're all around us and I hate it. That's not what

this is. They don't do that. I've said this before and I'll say it again. It's like a detective series in that it's all about just trying to figure out who the hell this came from. If it changed hands and they kind of do, right? They absolutely freaking do. I'm not going to spoil it. But when you get to six, 100% sure that the conclusion he made is the exact correct answer. And what do you do with that information? You realize how, A, how gross it is. Yeah. That, I mean, people, you, you, you, it's hard to make, you know, it's one of those things

where, you know, you can't always draw direct lines. But this thing, this phenomenon, this freaking hoax, this freaking trolling of the world, got people killed like straight up people died and and untold numbers of people have died because it connects with like uh everything from covid denial to uh you know political stuff and shootings and other things um like you can you can point you can look at that um the christ church shooting the guy that went to the mosque and shot what oh yeah 14 15 people or whatever um you can tie that directly back to this cube stuff and the people perpetrating it are never who they claim to be and they barely ever claim to be anything by the way everybody else filled in the holes because

you're a bunch of conspiratorial idiots who are suckers for everything and thankfully this thing does not focus or just spend too much time with how people are gullible and dumb even though there's a little bit of that most of it is we're going to find out who freaking did this and he finds out who freaking did it. Now, you can, like all the Q, the people are still Q followers, trust in the plan ding-dongs. I cannot believe these people still exist after this or after anybody's. Just rudimentary cursory look at this, at this phenomenon,

how you could still believe in it. But some people do. And those people have said, oh, no, this film's totally debunked. It's this, that, this, whatever. Watch it for yourselves. You'll be blown away. I thought it was amazing. And what I thought was amazing about it was this filmmaker slash documentarians methods are really good and really transparent.

And he actually gives a crap about everybody he's talking to. And in other words, he is not adversarial with people. He doesn't go in trying to, he doesn't have an agenda. His agenda is finding the truth. And so lots of people want to get in the way of that truth, but he'll talk to whoever. And he will not discriminate. He will, like, if you're a wakadoo believer in whatever, I'll sit down and talk to you. If you're somebody who's, you know, smartly stayed out of this stuff or whatever, I'll talk to you.

I want to talk to everybody, regardless of what they're doing. And it seems like he actually gives a crap and sees his subjects more than just fodder for his film. He sees them as important cogs in the system and he treats them like humans. And I really like that about it. But beyond that. It's kind of taken on its own life, right? Oh, yeah. Like, it's just, it's a crazy, oh, it's so good, you guys. I'm so glad I watched it. And I actually, oh, Jamie, a bit of thanks for this because Jamie, TMS mashups was like, you know, sending me his private messages going, dude, I know you're like, just the mere mention of Q&O makes you want to punch somebody. And he's right. But you need to watch this because this is about motivations. This is about sort of the underpinnings of what people do. It's like made for you. This is what you like about, you know, true crime documentary and other stuff. You're trying to understand. where things happen, not just look at the aftermath of it.

And he's right. He's 100% right. And this thing left a huge impression on me. So cannot recommend it enough. It is a dignified, quality, really well-made thing that deserves accolades. It's excellent. Do you think the people that need to watch it will watch it, though? No, no, I don't.

It's the problem with anything like this. And the thing is, this of all things they should, Because there are plenty of things they could watch where the goal of whatever it is is just to piss them off and to rub their faces and how dumb it is. And that's not what this is. So it's really unfortunate that some of them won't. And they won't because that's how people are. If you challenge somebody's hardcore belief system, if they're willing to get divorced, lose their kids and go to jail for it, what chances do you have of having them sit down and watch a six episode thing? It's very little.

Right. So I realize. My hope is the people that he had, like the, the YouTubers that are, like, all about, now they're making a living off of. Oh, my gosh, dude. Some of that stuff goes places, too. Oh, God. And you're early on. They're, the, Coutubers, they all made me sick.

There's, they call themselves, they call themselves that, which freaking, they had like, they like analyze the drops. But it's just so, like, you know, listening to this lady who claims to be this, like, hardcore Christian and that thing going. um you know if it wasn't for four chan you know i think i think that was an act of god for chan existing and bringing q to light and and all this and the guy goes well you know there's like i thought it was really weird porn on four chan and really not only that there's like child porn on there occasionally and yeah they try to they have to remove it because it's the law but you know four chan and these different these different sites they have some pretty oh i didn't know that no one told me because i thought you said q was kicked off four chan and he went to eight chan well no there's a whole

there's a whole string he started uh it started on four chan and reddit reddit kicked him off red it kicked him off but four chan's where it started yeah eight chan was yeah and then they and then there's a ton of stuff of the creator of eight chan there's you don't believe you're not that far off i know it's probably 64 chan but this weird this weird little underbelly of the internet where everybody just wants to screw everybody and everyone's anonymous and everybody's into really weird porn and and there's even a scene in this in this thing where they're talking to one of the programmers of A. Chan, who is just getting interviewed, been really nicely set off this.

He's all set. He's all tabbing through some stuff on his computer. And he's got just this big old freaking vagina porn on his on his computer. And it struck me that the people perpetrating this stuff are inexorably connected to some pretty dark corners of the internet. don't just mean porn for, you know, your average porn. I'm talking like, like some stuff, man. And they get into that a little bit. But again, this isn't this guy, this filmmaker is not judging anyone. He's not there doing any of that, which really lends extra authenticity to the work. It's very, very good. Can't recommend it enough. It's called Q

Into the Storm. It's on HBO Max. It's an HBO original. And he'd damn well better win whatever series short form documentary award you give because it's awesome and I cannot believe I'm saying this if you'd ask me a month ago you're going to watch that I would have said I don't want to I don't want to see this anymore I don't want to talk about these people just had four four years of this garbage it's I want to break of it yeah I'm sick of it but at the same time this this is presented in a way that is so academic in a lot of ways also I'll just say just a side note nothing to do with the content one of the coolest intros of the year for

any show. It's so cool. It's like Tron meets like, I don't even know what to compare it to. It's a weirdest, coolest techno-e intro thing. The music's awesome. It's just really, it's really neat. Anyway, HBO Max, for those in the chat, still asking what we're talking about. HBO Max, cue into the storm. Nicole will put it up on the Twitter feed. Down the cue hole is what it's called. Don't forget. Remember that name over any other name. Yeah. It's really something. All right, Nicole. Over to you. What did you bring us this week? All right. Well, you know me. I'm going to lighten it up a bit. Yep. That's fine.

We look forward to that. We do. So I went down another nostalgia hole. I'm going down lots of hole. Down the nostalgia hole. Down, down the documentary. Yep. So this is streaming on Hulu.

It's a documentary. And there's your clip, Scott. All right. Let's give it a shot. Whoops. It wouldn't open. Why? Oh, now it is.

Okay. Nickelodeon, if you want to know about it, it's a kid-owned environment. It didn't feel like the version of what an adult was telling a kid to watch. It felt like really what kids were into. I don't know. Kids can smell from a thousand miles away when they're being sold a bunch of crap. So it was a tiny bit naughty.

Any bit naughty, kids would really appreciate that and feel that it was real and it was really for them. You can't do that on TV. No one really knew if it was going to end up being successful. We were the anti-Disney, we were the anti-Saturday morning. We wanted less acting and we wanted more normal kids. How come everybody draws babies as these beautiful ones? When they first come out, it's kind of weird looking, kind of funny looking. That's why the rugrats were drawn like they were.

The inmates were very much running the asylum back then. It was way easier to slip stuff in. They trusted us. I mean, the stuff we got away with was insane. There's something about... All right. I want to see this already. Give me the name.

What's the name of this? It's called... So this is streaming it on Hulu. It's called The Orange Years. And it is about how Nickelodeon... So most people know Nickelodeon as kind of where SpongeBob is now. Did you hear anybody again? For the big timing of that scream in the background.

Yeah. So, um, so, no. Nickelode, I started thinking how cool it was that I got to grow up with this, the beginning of Nickelodeon. And I didn't realize how cool it was until I watched this documentary. Like, how groundbreaking these shows were for kids. Oh, for hell. Call Alana Smorezette. Oh, God.

Found something my honor, finally. I'm resisting yelling. I'm not going to yell. Yeah. I've already wiped your bum for a time. Oh, okay. So anyway, they go through how Nickelodeon came to be. And like it said, it was kind of the Wild West.

They were just kind of seeing what stuck. And you got to see the evolution of you can't do that on television, which I absolutely adored as a kid that show. Because what they found was when Nickelodeon, when they like the first pass of Nickelodeon they had these shows where they were showing all these kids doing amazing things and they're like it made regular kids feel like crap so they couldn't relate to you know this kid winning medals doing this competition they just they just wanted to feel good about themselves and you can't do that on television you know they're like well at least my life's not like that you know the kids are chained up and it's just a result. a ridiculous show and it kind of shows it takes you through the progression it gets into their first i didn't realize this their first um production show was hey dude and i loved hey dude no but i never saw hey dude it was a scripted um comma i mean brian you and i would have been like

22 or something around then salute your shorts yeah they talk about yeah yeah this would have been yeah Double dare, like the rise of double dare. We probably thought we were above all this. Hey, guys, shut up! I had, I mean, I started having babies right around the heyday of this stuff, but I remember. So I was still a kid. I was still a teenager. Sure, sure.

And all this was happening. They get into Nick tunes and all the cartoons and kind of what they were looking for. Now, this is where it gets really interesting to me, because I'm going to make a statement here that I don't know if this is bold or not. But I think that the world of animation, as we know it today, there are certain hallmarks you can look to, tent poles, and go, all right, the Simpsons played a very important role. South Park, very important role, whatever, whatever, whatever, right? But if you look at the Nickelodeon stuff,

there is no adult swim without the Nicktoons. There is no weird, you know, freaky stuff like Samurai Jack or any of that kind of stuff that that doesn't exist. There wouldn't be Farns Bob without Nicktoons. I completely agree. for sure so that that kind of like art house odd animation quirky sense of humor even newer stuff like adventure time they all owe some level of odeness to that era it's just there's no way around it no way around it yeah red and stimpy great example of that yeah that was one of the three so it was rug rats dug and ren and stumpy were the first three in the lineup right and then you're It expanded to Rocco's modern life, baby. Modern life. Dog and cat.

These are all, these all became shows because of Nickelodeon. Yeah. And they also dive into like their game shows. So I know I brought up Double Dare, but there were other ones that like guts, ones that I didn't get into as much as Double Dare, but there was an arcade one that was really kind of. cool to watch again, where they had the kids. Basically, it was Pong that they were cool.

Oh, really? Yes, it's really funny to watch. I didn't know Doubled there started in 86. Holy crap. Wow. They show the pilot episode of that. That's nuts. And they go into.

Legends of the Hidden Temple. All of those like messy freaking game show things. Yeah. It was so fun to watch. I really, I loved kind of peeling back the layers of just how it happened. and how even the people that were making it happen had no clue. Yeah. Mark Summers, man.

Remember everyone's favorite host, Mark Summers was always in those things. Yeah. Yeah, they interviewed him a lot. Did they, somebody in the chat room mentioned that he had OCD. Did he really? Because that seems like the worst possible game set of game shows to make somebody with OCD. Oh, man, he's in his 60s now. Yeah.

He talks about why he quit, too, because he, quit. Oh, you got a 100% true. OCD Mark Summers. He ate some of that slime and he never came back.

He's like, that's it. I'm done. Well, do you remember Nickelodeon at Universal Studios? I so badly want, because then you got to

see the shows being made and you might even be on one. It was like this whole thing. That was a big attraction. Did you go to that? No. No. My parents could afford that.

Wow. But it was funny because you'd always see the audience just a bunch of people who looked like they walked off uh you know the walked out of the line for the jaws ride at universal studios which is exactly what it was it was like you know they want to just want to come over here and see a live taping of a show sure yeah that's cool i need to see this it seems like something it's so fun to watch yeah i'm in and matteo was watching it next to me and he was you know he's building his little world in Minecraft and every once in all he'd look up and he'd go back down he looked back up and go and it was

when renn and stiffy came on i go you want to watch some renn and stumpy so uh you can watch there's my other clip you can watch renn stumpy on paramount plus i did not oh finally a good reason for paramount plus that doesn't have the word star trek in the name it's too bad oh here's some ran stumpy and you play it turns up Wrens most classic insults. The Da! Inbusy.

So we just need to play the log. The logs. They talk about that. They talk about that in the documentary. I'll teach your grandmother to suck eggs. The creator is such a douche, though. It bums me out.

I assume they didn't interview him because no one will talk to that guy. Oh, he's the worst. He's the worst. Oh, that's a bummer. I don't want to hear that. You didn't know about that? He did some bad. They got some bad stuff.

I believe you. I just am bummed to know that. Yeah, I probably could have not told you that, but it is a bummer. But yeah. They talked about how Ren and Stimpy really belonged on MTV and like kind of that cross how it moved over. But because it was on MTV, it brought a lot of people to Nickelodeon. So there was like this kind of back and forth between the two networks with Ren and Stimpy.

Yeah, it's just I realized. I realized that Renan Stimpy kind of made it okay to do that close-up gross look that SpongeBob always does. You know what I'm talking about where it's like it looks normal. It cuts away. But then when you zoom in, it's disgusting. It's like boils and hairs sticking out of it. It's like a completely different style of animation. Like they give it to the one guy who can draw pimples oozing and boils.

It was my favorite thing. I loved it. It's like my, it's my favorite thing about it. that stuff. I'd love that they would do, they would break these walls and have you go, like the one where Wren lost all his teeth, it's horrible. Oh, yes, yes. And they zoom in, there's like a little nerve in there going, right, they suppose, yeah. Oh my gosh, it's horrible, but I loved it. I loved that stuff. Yeah, just what, it just changed,

changed animation forever. And remember back then, we're talking about a cartoon network that all they did on Cartoon Network was run old episodes of Super Friends and Captain Caveman and all this shit from the 70s because they didn't have any, original content. It was more like a retro show. And Nickelodeon basically forced their hand and we go, we got to do more. We got to like do more. And so they did. And so did Disney. And now it's just like, we don't even think about it. These streaming channels have a million original animated shows. It's all because of this stuff. They talked about SNCC, you know, Saturday night, Nickelodeon for the kids that couldn't drive yet.

But the kids that were still up, you know, past nine o'clock. And are you afraid of yeah are you afraid of the dark did they talk about how bad Drake and Josh is did they get into that no they didn't but they you know sweet life with Zach and Cody you heard Keenan Thompson because he was

part of I think it was a show called All That which was like a kid's skit show which then spawned Keenan and Kell which then spawned Good Burger Good Burger so good like there's like the history of that Good Burger is so stupid good of a movie it still holds up like everyone should watch good burger it's yeah so good it's so dumb i like the i like

that the network tried to have a place for kids to go when there was really no place for kids to go at that time you know i was i was a kid that just my mom was always working my dad was always out so i would come home from school and the tv was kind of that was my entertainment so i grew up on that stuff That's why I love it so much probably now, so many memories. Bumbs me out a little bit. I was looking at Keenan and Kell here. Kell really just hasn't done quite the career. Has not had quite the success that Keenan Thompson has.

Yeah, I guess Keenan Thompson, his real, he has his own show now. Yeah, he does. Andrew Ridgely. No, he's amazing. Yeah, I hear that Keenan show is the best sitcom introduced in the last year. Like, better than Mr. Mayer. I haven't seen it yet. I don't like Mr. Mayor.

But I like that he... I just start watching it after Blackish. After we finish Blackish. I just like his work ethic. The guy was at SNL for longer than anybody or something. And he's still in it. And he's still there. Yeah.

It's crazy to me. Yeah. What up with that? You guys go watch Good Burger. That's what I'm saying. The show Keenan kind of reminds me that he's like, um, Oh, Al Roker. He's doing an Al Roker thing.

I love his Al Roker. So it's like a morning show and that's kind of the vibe that he's channeling Al Roker for it. So he's in that show, but he's also, he's got one, two, three, four, five movies in post-production right now. Oh, wow. Including the Home Alone remake or is it spinoff or is it continuation? Yeah. I don't know. He plays somebody named Gavin in that.

Anyway, good stuff. There you go. These are your recommendations this week. Oh, John Johnson's in this Keenan thing. I like Don Johnson a lot right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's my favorite at this age. There's something about Don Johnson now is my favorite Don Johnson, for sure.

For sure. The Knives out, Don Johnson. Yeah, I love it. There's also good in Watchman, the Watchman series, Don Johnson. Oh, my God. Watchman is so good. It's so good. I'm so bummers no more.

I wish it would come back. I know. They're not doing it. They're like, yeah, no. wanted to tell one season and we're done. I'm like, come on, man. I didn't get enough blue wiener. All right.

Hey, Nicole, it's been a treat as always. She puts this stuff up on Nicole Spag on Twitter. So if you want to follow what we talked about and go find out for yourselves, if any of this was any good, you can do that over there. Nicole, anything else you want to say? Happy Wednesday. Oh, there we go. You two.

I'm just trying to survive my kids being home. That's all you can do. I get 20 minutes of this and then yelling and a wall-to-wall yelling and butt wiping. Fantastic. I'll see you soon. All right. I cut her off early so she could get some of that butt wiping done. It's a good thing.

Probably, yeah. We don't want that being done on the show. No, no. Take your time to wipe the butts is what I always say. Take all the time you need. Every minute you need. Speaking of needing time and butt wiping. Grape nuts email.

We got a grape nuts email. Oh, geez. Yeah, that'll scratch. This isn't from grape nuts. No, no. We have not gotten a letter from grape nuts yet. No cease and desist yet, but we're hopeful. Hydrohead actually sent this in.

And he says, I kind of agree with Frank, unpronounceable name. I'm sorry, unpronounceable last name, he says. Back when I could and did eat cereal, I loved grape nuts. It was good, hot, or cold. I love the changing texture as you made, way through the bowl. Ew. That just sounds awful because it's just getting soaking.

Right, exactly. Yeah, guess what? I've delivered a plate of sushi. If the texture changes as I consume the sushi, I'm sending it back. Yeah, take it back. Hiroshi, I'm not eating this. That's kind of racist. Anyway, if you were in a hurry, you could just grab a handful and walk out the door.

You can make granola with it. And yes, you could use it as a topping on your yogurt or even better Froyo. y'all's bizarrely extreme extremist hatred of the stuff has made the show a little hard to listen to at times I had decided that if you go into another hatred round of grape nuts I would unsubscribe it's not just grape nuts either I have permittantly whatever that means given upon shows or taking time away from the show of multiple uh sorry of multiple media I think you meant permanently oh permanently okay uh given up on shows or taking time away from shows of multiple media because I found the constant expressed hatred of something

making the show not entertaining. What did grape nuts do to you other than not taste good in your opinion? Listen to your mom and if you can't be nice, then just leave it alone. More fun and positivity, less hatred and negativity, Hydrohead. He really wants us to not hate on grape nuts, dude. He just wants us to not talk about our hatred of great nuts and grape nuts.

And I get that. It's like when somebody's like, oh my God, the spice girls were the worst bad ever. How could anybody like him? You know, if I listened to a podcast that did that nonstop, if I just loved grape nuts to that degree, to the degree that I love the spice girls, then I'd have a hard time with it. So clearly, he loves grape nuts the way that I love the spice girls. Sure. But for in the, in favor of full disclosure here, we've brought up grape nuts three times.

Once when we first brought it up, once again, when someone. emailed about it, and now this guy. Those are the three times we've talked about grape nuts. So I don't think it's like the constant thing they think it is. It's like when people would say, if you mention Trump, one more time. Like, dude, we barely talk about any of this stuff. It's an hour and a half show. Grape nuts made three minutes.

It's not that big of a deal. But we'll try not to talk so negatively about the world's worst cereal. Okay, it's fine. All right. And Artemis, Artemis, what is it, Artemis, Tigris. I'm going to play off of your thing and say, if you want to be my lover, you got a grape-nuts, my friends. There you go. I don't want to know how you'd grape-nut your friend.

I know, yeah. Grape-nots. Sneaky grape-nuts. Yeah, sneaky grape-nuts. Sneaky grape-nuts punch. All right, Hydrohead. Nothing but positive thoughts about cereal moving forward. All right.

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It is Wednesday. That means I'll be on DTNS. Brian's got, oh no, you have Coverville tomorrow. I do Coverville tomorrow. I am going to do some more Crosswordville today. I figured out that whatever I was using reflector to mirror my iPad and then load that into the stream.

Yeah. And as I was doing that, my computer just kept, my M1 Mac Mini kept shutting down. Oh, weird. Like shutting down. What's that from? I think just the reflector is not. It reflector's a little buggy, but I never had it shut me down. That's crazy.

Yeah, it's just, it's a memory hog, and I think it's a, it's a problem. So, but I'm going to do it via the web, because that's how I'm going to be doing. I've decided I am going to live stream when I'm competing in the North, American Crossword Championship or whatever it's called, I'm going to live stream and just not have chat or at least not C-Chat. Anyway, so that'll be coming up

today. And what's fun is I think you guys will be listening to the music I'm picking for Coverville tomorrow as we as I do crosswords. Oh, very nice. Prepping Roy Orbison, the Roy Orbison show tomorrow with some of that. I don't know what time, because I've got some of happen first. So let's say

let's say three what time you guys finish up DTNS? About 3.30? Yeah, I think so. I'll do it after that. Is that? That'll work. Yeah. That'll work. People won't freak out. So we'll say 3.30 Mountain Time, Twitch.tvish slash cover. There you go. We all try to avoid overstreaming on top of each other, but for some reason Justin was streaming today during TMS. I don't know why. I don't know what was going on

there. Jerk. Yeah, what was he doing? Trouble maker. Yeah, what was going on there? He was a troublemaker. Oh, I lost it. Troubiker. Troubiker. Troumiker. Troumiker.

You know that actor, too. That very flamboyant. Oh, is that the dude, I think it is? It's the dude you think it is. Oh, from TikTok. He's got TikTok account, and he's, uh... Yes, yes. Oh, I can't think of that guy's name or what else he's been in, but, uh...

I thought it was somebody else who just sounded like him, but yeah, okay, all right. yeah that actor is leslie jordan trouble micr he's a real trouble mic hark he's a troublemaker he's in the old american horror story stuff he was on will and grace yeah um oh he was doing a house tour what's with this counter programming i'm gonna text him after this and kick him in the butt come on man i can't make it to your podcast but i'm gonna stream at the same time i'm friend me That's right. Tonight, I'm going to, wait, when's their, oh, it's Tuesdays. Tuesday nights when they record their freaking night attack, I'm going to, I'm going to start streaming video games or something. Take that. Hell yes. Take that. Trumbal, Micor. All right, let's move on. Oh, I just sent you. We saw this guy and Jason Goes to Hell, by the way.

Oh, we did? Leslie Jordan was in, was in, yeah, he was in Jason Goes to Hell, which we watch for a fun sack. That's awesome. Well, now. All right, cool. Anyway, I just sent you a thing, by the way. This is a alternate way of mirroring stuff. Oh, okay. So it's brand new. It came out in January, this article. So I think this is awesome.

Oh, does it involve just running a cable? Like just doing a straight USBC? Oh, I'd love that. It says you can do it via, so they give you four different, or they give you three different ways. Airplay, mirroring via QuickTime, which I didn't know you could do.

Yeah, that one I knew about. And then they'd use reflector, but Reflector is just, Reflector was already a resource hog, and on an M1, it's worse because it's running Rosetta. Rosetta, too, so it's like poopy. Anyway, they just need to update it. All right, so just don't reflect with reflector. So maybe I'll try one of these and see if it still works with the iPad.

Yeah, I'm going to do the same. I'm going to fiddle with it today. Anyway, thank you all for listening, watching, hanging out. We appreciate it. We're going to get out of here now with a song. Brian, do you have one prepared? I have a song, and this one's going out to somebody who wants to remain. anonymous. Boy, do I feel for this person, but it's one of these stories where I'm glad

I'm glad we brighten his day, brighten his life. Hello, Scott and Brian. April 14th was when I first started going out with my best friend who later became my wife. Together, over 12 years, we worked in the same office, then she had an affair with our boss, and then she left me for him in the fall of 2020. If anyone has a better 2020 or if anyone has a 2020 horror story, I ask you to hold my beer. Oh, my God. It was filled with family death affairs, people getting fired, midlife crisis. He says, I almost rode in for therapy Thursday.

And soon, I have to leave my house as I can't afford it alone. The worst moments of my life last fall, but friends, family, frog pants, podcasts, and my therapist helped me to revitalize myself. I ask you to play any song on April 14th about self-worth or rebuilding. I don't want to live avoiding my past and hiding from what was. I want to own my life, my value, my self-respect, and come out stronger from this. Thank you. Signed anonymous. So, dude, whoever you are, next time there is a big get-together, find me.

And you don't even have to tell me who you are. Just say, Brian, you promised you'd buy me a drink, and I will buy you a drink. Heck yeah. And give you a great big hug. So just say that, although now about 1,000 people are going to come up to me and say, Brian, you promise to buy me a drink. Yeah. And then you're going to hug them. And then you're going to get some variant of COVID.

It'll be fantastic. That's right. I'll get the weird nerd tech variant. Yeah. This is the song stronger. The Kanye West song. This felt like the right song to play for this. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger and dude, you are stronger.

This is a cover done by 30 seconds to Mars on BBC's Radio 1 Live Lounge from volume 2 from 2007. Here's 30 seconds to Mars covering Kanye West's stronger. See you guys tomorrow. Now that the don't kill me can only make me stronger I need you to hurry up now Because I can't wait for much longer I know how I'll be in right now

Because I can't get much longer Man, I've been waiting all night now That's a long of having on you I need you I need you at you now I need you right now. Let's get lost tonight. You could be my black kid.

I'm lost tonight. Pretty secretary on the boss tonight. And you don't give a damn what they all say you life. Our song, Christians know. And they don't make a man that says. I ask because I'm not sure Anybody out there Really anymore

Bow in the presence of Creamness Because I never has For saying us You should be Young by my uniqueness I would even show up to this faithness So go ahead, go nuts

Go abyss Especially on my fist and on my vagueness Act like you can't tell who made this The gospel won't take six And take this hate us And the now that don't kill me It can only make me stronger I need you to hurry out now

Because I can't get much longer I know I gotta be right now Because I can't get much wrong But man I've been waiting all night now That's so long I've been on here I need me right now I need you right now. I don't know if you got a man, man.

If you made plans or not. God put me in my plans or not. Chippa Mr. God made to say a lie. But I know that God put you in front of me. So how the hell come to you in front of me? me there's a thousand years

there's only one of me but you're caught up in the moment right it's still you in the

time night so we're gonna do everything that jay like could they do

anything for a condite will I do anything for a plundike and we'll do anything

with the light lights And we'll do anything when the time's life. Baby, you make it in harder, better, faster, stronger. And the now that they don't kill me can only make me stronger. I need you to hurry up now

because I can't wait much. longer I know I've been right now because I can't give much from her

man I've been waiting all right now so long I've been on you I need you at now

I need you at now I I need you at now I'm right now. I'm right now. So that's not like I've never told us like I've never told you like I never told you

don't like I never told you don't that like I never took to you don't that like I never took you This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more shows like this at frogpants.com. Trouble, Micer.