The Morning Stream - TMS 2114: Pizzamon Go

Episode Date: May 13, 2021

No Cinnamon, Send It Back! Penile Art = Penal Action. People Don't Even Know That They're Doin' It While They're Doin' It! She looks like a raisin, I love a nice Raisin. End With A Twist! Yahoo Seriou...s Hair. The People's Republic Court. Nilla Nanna Nutters. Tink Tink Tink Tink Tink Tink. Even the Flat Earth is Mostly Water. We're all Johnsons here. I'm Not A Shunner, Jerry! Tuti Fruity Prostituti. Cheating with dates. Therapy Thursday and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:22 She looks like a raisin. I love a nice raisin. End with a twist. Yahoo's serious hair. The People's Republic Court. Tink, tink, tink, tink, tink. Even the flat earth is mostly water. We're all Johnson's here.
Starting point is 00:00:35 I'm not a shunner, Jerry. Tudy, fruity, prostitutie. Cheating with dates. Therapy Thursday and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Yes, I'll try talking with him, but it's risky business. If they think you're avoiding responsibility, the whole thing could blow up in your face, right? I can't believe that there's a mole in the executive council. Even if there is a mole.
Starting point is 00:00:57 That's not what's important here. But you're what. This is the morning stream. Behave yourselves. A fat chance of that. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. This is TMS, the morning stream for Thursday, May 13th, 2021. I am Scott Johnson.
Starting point is 00:01:25 He is Brian Ibit. I am indeed. Thank you. Thank you for all. Coming up on our left. He's up on our left. On your left. On your left. Pre-show, we had a whole, hey, you should be a patron, everybody. Because in the pre-show, we talked about Brian almost running over some kid who had his earbuds in a little too tight. And it was pretty funny. What I liked about it, Brian, is you laughed through the whole thing. You kept your sense of humor and, you know.
Starting point is 00:01:53 What can you do? I mean, the dude irritated me, but I'm certainly not going to get a and out of shape about it. No. I mean, look, he's a kid. He's got a whole life ahead of him of learning. Hopefully, if he doesn't get run over, you know? I can't tell you that it would have been satisfying to, like, just gently push him over. Yeah, you would have been gentle about it.
Starting point is 00:02:16 You said on our text this morning, you should have tapped him. That would have been good. I should have just tapped him on the shoulder. My worry about that is that he would have flailed and, you know, a bike skateboarder crash collision is not what either of us needed. No. No, that's a, that's like a cork thing. You don't want to mess with that. Yes, exactly. You'll be tied up for years in that business. So yeah, avoid that with all costs. But anyway, I'm glad that camera's working. I guess the stream got lost, so nobody saw that happen live. Nobody saw it happen live. Yeah. So the GoPro deal is,
Starting point is 00:02:50 what kind of the deal? It's the GoPro deal. Is that it, it'll hook up to your phone so you can live stream, right? I can stream via Twitch. At that point, I was trying it via Facebook because Twitch crept out after like two minutes. Two problems with that. Number one, it uses your phone's cell service to stream, which obviously makes sense. It has to, right? It's not like there's any sort of Wi-Fi or anything. So if you go through an area where AT&T coverage isn't so good, boom, your stream just goes down, which kind of sucks. Yeah, that does so. The other problem with that is that there's no way, and you shouldn't be while you're on a bike or anything, looking at comments, but there's no way to interact with your audience. So basically it's like, yeah, I'm live streaming.
Starting point is 00:03:38 It's a very one-sided thing. I'm just live-streaming out to the world, and somebody can't say, oh, that looks cool. Is that, where's that park? Or that looks like a beautiful playground. How do you get to that, that sort of thing, right? it's just um well so there needs to be some well i don't know how you do it though how would you interact i guess you'd need some kind of i need a co-host or something right like somebody oh yeah uh phil from uh calamazoo wants to know uh how do you get to those how do you get to that
Starting point is 00:04:14 park yeah we got any listeners in calamazoo shout out to calamazoo shout out uh fred yeah uh but that's it's interesting though just this idea of like i don't know a high speed sort of track race idea marathon thing where you're showing everybody what you're doing the whole time. It's still interesting. It is interesting and I do want to figure out a way to do something for the big
Starting point is 00:04:37 ride at the end of June. Two big things have to happen. Number one, I need some sort of constant on like I do have a oh what is this thing called it's like a little flat
Starting point is 00:04:55 puck but it's a constant cell connection little Wi-Fi hot spot right so I could have that on in my backpack and it's basically Wi-Fi but um is a Fios thing from uh what's their names it's
Starting point is 00:05:11 it's something like that it's something it's a something go and I can't remember what the name of it is but it's um but then I'd be paying who knows how much for gigabytes of data to do that which I'm already doing the other problem is the battery life on the GoPro.
Starting point is 00:05:28 It petered out, after a full charge, it petered out through my one-hour ride that I did yesterday. Oh, wow. That's lower than I would have thought. I don't know why I thought they had higher battery life than that, but an hour of use. It could be just the fact that this is a used one that we got from a pawn shop. So I need to, and I've ordered some replacement batteries.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Is there any Hunter Biden porn on that camera? I don't know. TVZGon was nice enough. to clear off the memory card before he sent it to me. So it was completely wiped out. Only he will know if there are any prostitutie Hunter Biden moments. Exactly. Right. I know. There could have been something great and incriminating on there. Like, I don't know, a couple prostitutes peeing on a guy in a hotel room with
Starting point is 00:06:12 the orange hair. I don't know. I mean, you never know. Yeah, for sure, that one GoPro will be the one. That would be the one that was used. In that case, Puell the crap out of that thing. Sure. But anyway, so, yeah, so it's getting. to be a combination of figuring out batteries and figuring out some sort of constant cell connection Wi-Fi hotspot.
Starting point is 00:06:35 You would be a sensation on the internet if you figured out a way to change batteries with your, like, your knees without stopping. Well, yeah, the problem with that is that it, the GoPro will stop, you know, during that time that I'm changing batteries anyway, so I might as well pull over. The ride I'm doing at the end of June has there are pit stops like every 10 or so miles. And at the rate I go, I'm going about 12 miles an hour, 13 miles an hour in some spots.
Starting point is 00:07:06 So if I time things right, when I get to a stop, I can take a battery out of the charger, put it into the GoPro, take the battery out of the GoPro, put it into the charger, which is hooked up to a battery pack in my backpack. And it'll constantly, you know, constantly have one charging, one ready. and um while you're enjoying a nilla wafer with banana and peanut butter on it you've got it yeah you know those nillana nutters that sounds so good so damn yeah i'm not supposed to eat the the the cookie part but i would i'd make an exception for one i'd eat one yeah oh for sure yeah i don't know if they make sugar-free vanilla wafers but um i know you can get uh sounds terrible low sugar peanut butter and you could do that this place locally i forgot the name. We just went there again yesterday because I'm hooked on these shakes they make.
Starting point is 00:07:56 They, it's, so they use almond, not almond milk. No, I guess it is almond. No, it's almond butter. Okay. Oat milk and banana. And then some, and just a couple of dates. Like, indie, bad dates. You know, like dates, fruit. And it's fantastic. Oh my gosh. It tastes like the best shake ever. And it's like got no unnatural sugar and the only sugar is out of these dates and it's a it's not considered like the kind of sugar i can't eat so i can i can do one of these shakes and it feels like i'm cheating but i'm not it's so good oh my gosh that's fantastic yeah i forgot the name of the place so good i give him a shout out but it's the place i told you about where the unmasked a hole was in there demanding his money back and then keeping the food oh yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:08:44 feel like a man yeah i forgot the name of the thing but um and it's not the cheapest shake i think it's like six bucks for a 16 ounce it's a little high price but still that sounds like it's really good man like a smoothie yeah i might have to get another one today we'll see they have a whole line there of things they call nice cream okay is it oh yeah it's probably it's rice uh rice based right my vegan buddy used to eat this or no it was uh it was ice cream that was called nice dream oh no is that right or is that am i thinking of the cheech and chung movie Maybe it was an ice cream. Was there one called?
Starting point is 00:09:24 Wasn't there a Chechen Chong movie was called Nice Dreams? I mean, it was ice cream, but they crossed off the N. Dreams. Or crossed off the R. You know what? You're right. 1981.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Yeah. There is. How did I never hear of this movie? It's called Nice Dreams. You're right about the thing they crossed out. Or they wrote the N and the D is on top of the C. It's on top of the C. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Tommy Chong directed it, written by Tommy Chong and Cheech Marin. I'm guessing, I think there was some pot involved in that movie. It might have been. Coming to a film sack near you. How come we've never done a Cheech and Chong movie? We probably should just to get one out of the way, you know? Sandra Bernhardt. You act like it's a root canal.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Are you kidding? This is like a... I know, but it's supposed to be comedy and we kind of avoid those, you know? Oh, right, right, right, right. I don't know. But it might work because of the cultural significance of the... the Cheech and Chong era. I think maybe that would be a good thing to do. But we'd have to find out what is the one that everyone thinks is like the be all end all of Chechen
Starting point is 00:10:28 smoke, right? It has to be. Is it? Let's see. I mean, there's Cheech and Chong's the next movie. There's the Corsican brothers. There's, uh, still smoking. But I think, I think up in smoke is the one you kind of have to have to do. None of which, and none of those are streaming by the way, unfortunately. Unfortunately, uh, yeah. Uh, yeah, I can't, oh, he hasn't done. He hasn't done. He hasn't acted in anything since oh that's not true they're doing a re uh a tv movie of nash bridges him and don johnson getting back together really that'll be great so we've been watching the keenan show yeah because i've been hearing really good things about it yeah or i heard really good things about it not not doing it for you and they're not doing it for us like we watch uh you know
Starting point is 00:11:13 Tina and her, Blackish, want to watch an episode of Blackish? Yeah. By the way, 100% accurate. Yeah, no, I assume so. Yeah, I assume so. We laugh more at Blackish than we do at Keenan. Keenan just hasn't figured out it's, it's got a great ensemble cast, right? Don Johnson, Chris Redd also from Saturday Night Live, of course, Kenan Thompson.
Starting point is 00:11:43 um that uh that blonde lady who you've seen in everything and i can't think of her name um i have the list right here she's let's see uh not taylor louderman uh um i don't know it could be uh Vanessa Williams isn't that weird oh Vanessa Williams uh Mary oh Maria Bamford is that you talking about no not Maria Bamford I know who Maria Bannford is. Oh, she's in it. Yeah. I can't find any other blonde people in this list. I think it might be let's see here. Where is it? Where is it?
Starting point is 00:12:24 Is this a three camera? No, Taylor Louderman. Oh, Fortune Femister. Oh. Fimster. Fortun Fimster. Okay. Is that a real name? Sweet. That's a cool name. So is this one of those, it's like a three camera laugh tracky right it's a three camera no laugh track no laugh track no laugh track all right but it feels like it's on a set like seinfeld just no laugh track yeah kind of yeah exactly there's their house set
Starting point is 00:12:53 there's the um or fiendster thank you dan wally uh then there's the you know he's a weather or no he's a uh a host of a morning show um and it's no and it's just there's no live audience or any of that it's just jokes and then no laughter note right no laugh track no no uh in studio audience none of that all right it's kind of like uh kind of like your modern family or goldbergs or things like that the imbdb rating's pretty low 5.5 out of 10 maybe you're right yeah but paste magazine said the funniest new show of 2020 that you're not watching is uh is keenan like oh really okay and uh no it's not it's not doing that for you it's not we like Like we said, okay, well, you know, I kind of want to watch the new Ted Danson thing.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Yeah. But, oh, let's watch Keenan because it's getting really good reviews from Pace. But apparently not on IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes. Ted Dantzons, or it's that new, where he's an elected rich guy or something? Yeah, elected rich guy. Is that what it is? Oh, Mr. Mayor, yeah. And he was like some big business guy.
Starting point is 00:14:00 And then he ran for mayor and now he doesn't know what he's doing. We saw a part of that and it made me laugh. But it feels like VIP, it's a TINA thing. Yeah. But it's like Veep Jr. in that show. Sounds good to me. Although, yeah, right, because it has to be on regular network. Well, that and also it just felt like they were lifting right from Veep.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Oh, really? Okay. It's fine. I'm not, you know, not a bad thing necessarily, but it's definitely one of those shows. Holly Hunter's good in it. She looks like a raisin these days, but I like her. I mean that in the nicest possible. Like a nice raisin. Yeah, a nice raisin. I love a nice raisin.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Plump nice raisin. sure sure it's good stuff good fiber for you all that that could be it should go right through you all right so maybe we'll give mr mayor a chance but uh i've got other things that i'm watching right now that i'm enjoying a lot more here's a quick question for you uh yes do you have a thing that drives tina crazy and and i'll share with the one that makes my wife want to literally punch me okay uh-huh and it's when we get out of i may have talked about this before oh look who has arrived she's going to hear me tell you about this Hi, hon. Did you put cinnamon in it?
Starting point is 00:15:11 Oh, that's too bad. Anyway, that might annoy her as well. Take it. Take it back. Put some cinnamon in it. Bring it back. So she, yesterday were at that place, I got the shake I was telling you about. What's that place called? Abregine, that's the name of the place. Auburgeon. Oh, somebody did say it on the chat room and I thought they were joking. Oh, you thought they were making it up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:31 It's kind of a bad name. And there is a big eggplant next to the name, but it looks like the, the penis. emoji for penis yeah yeah it's kind of annoying but anyway we're there and this is the I think this might be the one thing in our entire how have we been married for 29 years almost 29 and the thing that always is they're the most is when she gets out of the car if she's driving she'll get out her side and before I get out I reach over she's already pulled the emergency break up but I'll go click click just a couple more clicks one at the least right like because you don't think it's it's emergency brake and
Starting point is 00:16:08 Yeah. I mean, clearly it is, but I just do it out of habit. And I know that I'm annoying her, but a little bit of spite. So I'll just go click, click, and then I'll get out of the car. She gets so pissed at me. So mad. Really? Her southern accent comes out. She gets all fired up. Okay. Ask her right now because she's in the room. You said something that is probably the only thing out of 29 years that annoys her. Say, Kim, is this the only thing that annoys you that I do? Is it? Hell no. I was going to say, because I know I can come up with about 12 things that drives Tina crazy. One of them is that, are we going to watch an episode of Blakish? What's even better is when you're empty nesters, your kids aren't there, and you're doing that kind of stuff to your significant other is the best.
Starting point is 00:16:55 It's so great. It is the best, yeah, because it's right. I can't do it to Tristan. I can't. He says he doesn't understand. I don't understand why you're so bugged. I don't get why you're so bugged. Because I've asked you not to.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Yeah, but then I do it because it's funny to get. your reaction, except when you hit me in the arm, spousal abuse over here. But, uh, but yeah. Anyway, all right. So Brian, yeah. Thank you for this. Thank you for this. I appreciate it. So Brian, next time put cinnamon in it. Yeah, cinnamon in here, damn it. Uh, I like cinnamon in my teeth. So, so what's your, uh, what's the thing? If you, if it's not the blackish thing, what is it? If it's not the, if it's not the invitation voice, it's, uh, um, this, this I know drives her absolutely nuts
Starting point is 00:17:40 because she's told me it drives her nuts but if, so if I'm having a bowl of Greek yogurt right, like some fruit or some oatmeal in there or whatever you get to the bottom of the bowl and inside you know inside the bowl there's still like remnants of the yogurt
Starting point is 00:17:56 all around the inside of the bowl, right? You're right. And so I'll go, I'll go tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, like with the spoon and I'm going to try and like basically I'm really quickly using the spoon to sweep up all the leftover Greek yogurt into the one side so I could scoop it up with the spoon and enjoy that last bite of Greek yogurt.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Yeah, and it's all, part of this is the rapidity of how quickly you're hitting the bowl, right? That's part of what it's got to be it. Yeah, I don't know what it. It's got to be, right? I mean, if I did it, I try and do it slowly and not make the noise and she doesn't, it doesn't seem to bother her. But it's the, I think it's the sound or the feeling of metal scraping against porcelain, maybe. Yeah. My wife hates that sound too. That must be a wife sound hate thing. I don't know. It doesn't bug me when I'm doing it. Claire, I saw, I saw you write that the first time and I chose not to respond to it and I choose not to respond to it this time too. Oh, there it is. Yeah, I'd probably just ignore that one. That's a, hmm. But the trick is to end with a, you end with a twist.
Starting point is 00:19:06 A twist. I've seen Seinfeld. I know what's up. And with a twist. That episode was on last night. That's too funny. Oh, it wasn't really funny. Well, I mean, they're on, and whatever order I want them on, but it happened to be playing yesterday. So there you go. Yeah, what else got it?
Starting point is 00:19:20 You know, it would be great if I could have Tina come down here. She's working, though. I could have her come down here and tell you some of the things that try. Oh, you know she's got a list. It may not be long, but she's got some kind of list, right? She's got to have a list, yeah, definitely. I guarantee it. I broke the toilet seat today, so that's probably on Kim's list.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Oh, wow. Yeah, we have the, we have the bidet deal. and it's this crappy. The bidet part's great, but the seat they send with it sucks. It's a piece of, it's like, it's junk. It is like.
Starting point is 00:19:47 Yes, it's the worst. And you sit on it enough times. It's going to freaking break. It sucks anyway. But I kind of slammed it a little hard on the lid today. And now the mechanism that made it go and slowly drop down. The slow drop. That doesn't work anymore.
Starting point is 00:20:01 So now, what's going to happen now is I'm going to forget that that's true. And I'm going to pull on, I'm going to tap on it. It's going to. go, wham! We're going to have to get another one, so we'll see how that goes. All right. Hey, I know what I'm in the mood for. How about some science?
Starting point is 00:20:19 Science is cool right here. Maybe we should have a guy say it. Yeah, we should say how that guy do it. But we can't do that until we get this. Why? Okay, there. I think science is cool. I do too.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Science is really, it sounds like Bob Odenkirk now that I hear it. Doesn't it a little bit? I think science is cool. I don't know. Now, let me out of this trunk. Where's a fire extinguisher? Oh, that dive. Was I right about the bomb at the end?
Starting point is 00:20:47 It was great, right? That final thing. Yes. Yes. Yeah. A fine way to get rid of your villain is what I'm saying. Speaking of villains, not really. It's Bobby Frankenberger joining us, as he does on Thursdays.
Starting point is 00:21:01 Bobby is the host, of course, of all-around science, and he's here. And I love having him here. Bobby, welcome back to the show. How are you? Hi, how are you? Good, man. I want to grow my hair as long as yours, but I don't like my chances. I'm trying. I'm learning all sorts of weird things about, like, how to take care of hair. It feels weird to research, like, hair care products as someone who grew up as a male in the South, I guess, where you're constantly being told to be a man. and now I'm like learning about like paraben free hair care products with no sulfates. I think that's awesome.
Starting point is 00:21:43 I love that. You've got basically my son's hair. Nick's hair is as long as yours is right now. And he's in no mood to cut it. And I decided that if I'm ever going to do this, just one more time, it's going to be now. And right now it's all kind of slicked back and stuff because I have to. But in the morning, I look like a, I look like, I don't know, that guy. What was the, who was the guy?
Starting point is 00:22:05 with the crazy hair from Australia in the 80s. They had a couple of movies. Oh, Yahoo! Serious? Yeah, who's serious hair I had this morning. But it's also still this weird like half stage, so I can't, I'm not full-blown, you know, having it hang and do its thing.
Starting point is 00:22:22 I don't know, man. I don't know if I'm making a mistake here. I'm excited about it. I want to do all sorts of crazy things with it before I cut it again, like diet weird colors. And I had a dream the other day that I just shaved the sides off and then... Whoa.
Starting point is 00:22:35 You know, I don't know. Picture of that. My hair is taking over my life. We'll talk about the science behind that move. That's pretty good. Well, hey, speaking of science, we have Bobby on Thursdays, most Thursdays. There's only one exception when they were really weird Australian ladies here taking up a seat. Speaking of Australia.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Kentucky shows up. Oh, right, Kentucky. I forgot. So anyway, we haven't come on. We talk about a little science thing. The big thing going around lately. And I didn't realize it had been, quote, unquote, resolved. but it has been but there was all this freak out and a little bit of scare but mostly people just going weird
Starting point is 00:23:11 with this Chinese rocket that had no landing plans it was basically just like all right it's going to land wherever it's going to land good luck everybody you have a 1.7 billion chance of being hit by this thing which seems like pretty good odds or you know pretty bad odds for the rocket good odds for you and uh the rocket had a had a 100% chance of hitting something yeah that's true that's true um but it did but also a high percentage chance of hitting water because most of the world most of this planet is water and it is round by the way so all the people who don't agree with me can leave now it is round it's around a planet well i think flat earthers also agree that most of the flat earth is water that's a good point they do right up to
Starting point is 00:23:55 the ice wall and then that's where things get weird that's right uh so anyway oh sorry my wife's back Is there in something important? Oh. Oh, Freddy, send us our things. Awesome. Thank you for providing your feedback. We look forward to serving you. And then ridden and hand writing.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And then Brian, I got two. Let's see. Oh, I got free. These are free combo meals. Combos. They made me sneeze. It was so excited. That's nothing to sneeze at.
Starting point is 00:24:23 That's great. All right. Always complain is the lesson. All right. Anyway, so anyway, this thing was going to hit the water. And then I guess it did. Like it's full on, it did. And I felt like the news dropped the ball a little bit because up to this point they're like, no one knows where the Chinese rocket, baby, bib, baby,
Starting point is 00:24:41 and then when it finally hit the water, no one talked about it. Like it took you. Well, you know, that's not exciting. Yeah. I mean, if you were going to get a hit a metropolitan area, then it would be on the news, but, uh, yeah. And they didn't drop the ball as much as they like, they like took a very soft, uh, non-dangerous ball and shoved it in your face and told you that there might be like spikes all over
Starting point is 00:25:04 it and you should be scared of it. Yeah. But yeah, so the deal with the rocket was China is, they're currently building a space station and this was the first sort of stage or section of the space station that they're building and they had to launch it up. I mean, you
Starting point is 00:25:22 have to get it into space with a rocket. And so that's what they did. They sent up a rocket. It was called the Long March 5B was the rocket that they used, and they sent up the section of the space station that's going to stay in orbit. They put it up there, and then the rocket came back to Earth. It was a 23-ton rocket booster that fell down, and that by itself sounds pretty normal, because that's how we do things.
Starting point is 00:25:52 That's business as usual with getting things into space. But the reason that everybody's up in arms about it is because they didn't have what you would call like a targeted reentry or a controlled dissent plan. They didn't have a plan for how to get it somehow deliberately, safely back to Earth. Right. So did they, was this, how do I put this? Does China acknowledge that they were like, yeah, we didn't really have a back end deal? going here. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they said that they don't. They
Starting point is 00:26:28 they kind of, it feels like they're kind of just like, you know, like shrugging a little bit and looking around and like, what's the big deal, guys? But it's a little complicated. Like, so it makes sense that you wouldn't want,
Starting point is 00:26:45 you would want to minimize the risk that a rocket is going to have to come down and do damage, land on your house or a city or something like that, right? Right. Right. But, But on the other hand, and this is China's point, on the other hand, it's very unlikely that that's ever going to happen. Because, as you said, you should have some kind of, even like a half plan.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Sure. Sure. Yeah. So the, and that's what, so you may have heard, this was a big thing, one of the reasons it got really into the news was the NASA, current NASA administrator, Bill Nelson, he publicly made a statement criticizing China because of their failure. to minimize risk and also their lack of transparency he put in there like they're just not very transparent about their space operations and whatnot but uh his point and his in his statement
Starting point is 00:27:34 he said that um quote it's clear that china's failing to meet responsible standards regarding its space debris um and uh and his point is that so what nassah does is so anybody who launches something into space there's very little chance that it's going to come down and hit someone or something important or even hit land like 70% of the earth is covered in water. Chances are that's where it's going to go. So usually that's where space debris goes is in the water. But NASA, what they do is they have a plan to further sort of hedge their bets that it's going to land somewhere safe. What they'll do, for example, is they'll launch it. And, you know, the booster stage of the rocket doesn't actually go up into orbit with the rocket. It'll
Starting point is 00:28:22 falls off and they have a plan for like when it's going to fall off, where it's going to fall off, and how it's going to land. And then when something comes back in and de-orbites, often they'll have either descent rockets like SpaceX, for example, when they're doing things. Well, they have a whole thing about how they're going to land their rockets again. So that's a little bit different. But the point is that China didn't have any plans like this. Right. They just said, we're just going to launch it up there and it'll come down. it probably won't hit anything and everybody will be okay. And it probably won't hit anything.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I mean, that's the most, that's the most like, I don't know. Like, part of me is like, yeah, statistically they're right. But statistically, I'm not going to go hit anybody on my way to the 7-Eleven. It doesn't mean I shouldn't have a plan for, you know, minimizing said, you know, risk to people as I'm driving there. Right, you don't wear a blindfold while you're driving. Right, right. Now, 20 tons also, that's a lot. of weight coming that fast from space most of it most of it burnt up in the atmosphere so we do
Starting point is 00:29:30 know where it landed just by the way if you haven't seen this in the news it landed in the indian ocean somewhere around the Maldives which is like some islands off the southern coast of India oh indian ocean okay yeah and so it didn't um it didn't hit anybody it didn't hit land i don't even think there's no reported um that it reported um that it had reported um that it reported course that it hit land. The islands are very, very small over there. But it could have, right? And here's the thing. Stuff has come down from space and hit things before. So it's not like it's never happened. It's just we want to, the question is, what is China doing to minimize the odds that that's going to happen? Yeah, or anybody that matter. Some sort of controlled descent to say,
Starting point is 00:30:18 Let's make, you know, all right, it's, it's really close to the coast. Let's deploy a parachute that's going to, you know, confirm or make sure that it's going to go into the water. Did anybody else remember Skylab? Yes. Yeah, so that, yeah, Skylab did come down and it did hit land in and around a city or a town in in Australia, I think it was. Right, yeah. And nobody got hurt, but pieces of. debris hit buildings there and
Starting point is 00:30:50 I mean to give you a sense of the level of like international concern there was I think they jokingly like issued the U.S. a littering fine oh heady days the 70s right like boy these days it would have been uh who knows what would have well I assume here's my assumption
Starting point is 00:31:09 that there's not a giant stink made about it then because due diligence was done and still after all you can do and after any you know whatever comprehensive comprehensive plan you have, still things are going to get through. Isn't that the main issue? Like the issue isn't that this stuff can't happen.
Starting point is 00:31:26 Well, to me, to me, the real main issue, the thing that this, because if we really think about it, China's right. And it's frustrating to admit that China's right about something like this, but China's right. Nothing was probably going to happen. But the problem is
Starting point is 00:31:42 that this highlights to me is that there is no international law or treaty that that somehow involves responsibility that nation should have
Starting point is 00:32:00 for things that they put up there now there is international law dictating who will be responsible if damage is done that's the the the 1972 liability convention
Starting point is 00:32:16 was established And it's what you would think it is. It's if a country has a piece of space junk land on them and cause damage, then damages can be sought by that country from the launching country. So let's say, let's just here's the example. I'm down in, let's say I'm in St. George. I'm on vacation. I'm hanging out with Kim. And suddenly a 20-ton freaking rocket booster lands on the.
Starting point is 00:32:48 cafe I'm in, killing everybody there, except me, uh, because I'm special. And, uh, you're in a, it's just, no, you cannot, you cannot get the launching country to pay for your meal. No, but I guess what I'm saying, I guess what I'm saying is like when you, when you're talking about catastrophic damage like that, like what would China's obligation be or any country? I'm, you know, China's just in the story, but if this was anybody, what would their obligation be? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:15 I don't know what that means. Would they, yeah. Well, it would be in. incumbent on this the the nation state that got that received the damage to to to seek uh damages from the so like it's a it's a country to country issue is what I'm saying like if you got hit by a small piece of space debris and it hit you in the head you could not go to China and say pay for my hospital visit we can't just simply go on this show it's plenty of you can't take it to the people's
Starting point is 00:33:48 are litigants. Scott was eating at a diner with his wife when a huge 20-ton chunk of space debris. Who will the judge find for? Almond shake. Come after this commercial and find out how our judge rules. The litigants are real. It is fascinating. I guess on the tail end of this, now that everything's done and the things crashed and no one got hurt and all that, any sort of pressure.
Starting point is 00:34:18 internationally to like come up with standards like this and then adhere to them or is it just going to you know i don't know that there's serious pressure i think there should be if you want to know my opinion i really think that that now is the time now is probably past the time to come up with a way to to obligate countries who are going to send things into space we need to have a way that a set of standards that that countries need to follow right already somewhere between 200 and 400 pieces of space junk fall out of space
Starting point is 00:34:52 every year I mean literally like on average something falls from orbit every day and that's a lot of crash up there I've seen gravity
Starting point is 00:35:03 there's just a ton of garbage up there yeah movie that documentary was really good that showed us exactly how things yeah
Starting point is 00:35:10 the documentary gravity yeah yeah and the other one Walee that was another Wally yes another documentary documentary
Starting point is 00:35:18 of uh space but uh but there are serious cases of um in uh so we talking about sky lab nobody got hurt there but in 1978 there's a soviet spy satellite that came down in canada's northwest territories and it had a nuclear reactor on it and it caused nuclear spread radioactive debris over like several hundred square miles in over Canada and it it's it's not like it just happened to land in the wilderness it did do damage to the natural area around there but it could have just as easily landed in like Toronto or something right that's gnarly I didn't know that I didn't know there was a that's crazy reactor on that any superheroes come from that by the way none that we've heard of yet okay all right Canadian superheroes they're only
Starting point is 00:36:10 it's alpha flight that's alpha flight that's it that's all you got that's it's it you get alpha flight yeah there was a talking moose and squirrel though I think that might have been related Were they Canadian? Oh, I guess they were Because the Mountie guys Yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:36:24 He lucky. Yes, Wolverine Deadpool, sure. Oh, yeah. No one's ever heard of either of those characters, though. Right, they're small. Not like Puck and Sasquatch
Starting point is 00:36:35 and Shaman and Snowbird and North Star and Aurora Guardian and Vindicator. Yeah. They're bits in the zombie, what was it, Marvel zombies? Or something like that
Starting point is 00:36:46 where it was one of these one-off six-issue things, I really liked how they used the Alpha Flight people in it. Oh, really? Yeah. Did they go, I'm going to eat your brains. Sorry. Sorry, excuse me, I'm going to eat your brains. Go to eat gravy?
Starting point is 00:36:58 I can't remember what it was. Well, one of them's a big furry guy. Oh, it was the Hulk. Sasquatch. Yeah, Sasquatch. It was the Immortal Hulk stuff. They had a really good crossover in there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:10 I enjoyed it. And normally, I don't even think about that team, but there they were. Anyway, hey, this is good stuff. As always, you can find more. More great commentary about the world of science and more over there on All Around Science. Bobby, why don't you tell people where they can get it and anything else you'd like to say? Yep, the podcast is called All Around Science. Just search for it.
Starting point is 00:37:29 You'll find it. We've got a website all aroundscience.com. We're doing episodes come out every Monday. And we just did one on the one that just came out had to do with all sorts of crazy stuff like invisible lightning that might be able to clean up the atmosphere that scientists just discovered. Whoa. Yeah. Invisible lightning is my favorite.
Starting point is 00:37:55 Doesn't sound like something that could possibly go wrong. That's awesome. Yeah, it'd be fine. Right. It might have been shot by some of those superheroes that are created in Canada. That's right. Yeah, check it out all around science. And, yeah, every week, science stuff.
Starting point is 00:38:09 Awesome. Thank you, Bobby Frankenberger. Have a fantastic week with your glorious air. Tim Horton, got the superpower of information. Invisible lightning. In the daytime, he's Tim Horton. At night, he's invisible lightning. He's Tim Bits.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Tim Bits. He's got the best coffee, and he'll save you from a fire. Good. All right, well done, everybody. It's time now for some news. This is the info we've been waiting for. Today's news, brought to you by. Brought you by Coverville today, a triple cover story for three people who celebrated their
Starting point is 00:38:46 75th birthday on May 10th. Just three days ago. These guys all turned 75. These guys were all born on the same day. Donovan, who you know from songs like Sunshine Superman and Mellow Yellow. No, not the drink. Also, Dave Mason, who
Starting point is 00:39:02 is probably best known for a song called We Just Disagree, but actually is involved in so many great songs behind the scenes as a songwriter. Same with Graham Goldman, who's also celebrating. He was a member of 10CC, the band 10CC, things we do for love.
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Starting point is 00:39:48 Oh, very nice. Yeah. Yeah, that works great. I'm of the opinion that yardbirds is one of the greatest band names in the history of bands. I love that name. The yardbirds, yeah. You know, if they wouldn't have appropriated it for a band name, it sounds like it could have been a slur. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:03 Some sort of a slur, like, um, Ethel, those yardbirds are out in the back again. They're loud music and their smelly barbecue. Dirty yardbirds. Those dirty yard birds. Yeah. I like that. All right, a couple of quick stories here before we break. This one, for example, New Zealand man and meeting, faces legal action for painting penises around potholes.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Mm. Yeah, look at all those peas in there, a lot of peas. Penises, potholes and penises. Yeah. It's a great new Netflix show. Check it out. Let's see. New Zealand man's penal, penile art could have him facing penal action.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Oh, that's funny. That's really funny. Well done, CBC.C.C.C.A. Jeff Upson. Oh, you know what I was going to start doing? I was going to start using this Canadian clip whenever we do a Canadian story. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Let me find this. This is great show content. Okay. There it is. I found it. Okay, so from now on we play this. Canada! All right, we're talking about Canada today, okay, everybody.
Starting point is 00:41:10 Anyway, Geoff or Jeff, I guess. Upson. not to be compared to Jeff Epstein. Jeff Upson has been drawing very large, colorful penises, around potholes in his home city of Auckland since 2018 to draw attention to the problem. He says authorities are not taking very seriously. Now Auckland Transport has taken legal action against the road safety campaigner following a complaint over his artwork. He says he's given a formal statement to the police and faces a fine or possible community service.
Starting point is 00:41:40 I'm remaining optimistic that Auckland Transport would just be. Just fix the road. I can't do it. I can't do a sustained New Zealand accent. It's not in. No, I know. Ben meeting. That's the far as...
Starting point is 00:41:51 You know, my, my New Zealand accent devolves into Australian pretty darn quickly. Yeah. Which they all hate there. Nobody wants to be... No one in New Zealand wants to sound like an Australian and nobody in Australia wants to sound like a freaking Kiwi. You guys in your weird rivalry.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I don't get it. Anyway, it says here... Graffiti charges. were laid against him on Friday. The case is now in the hands of police. Quote, as we head into the road safety week next week, Auckland Transport is actually looking forward to working positively with Mr. Upsen.
Starting point is 00:42:26 His name isn't Downson after all. It's Upson Upsin Abbey. Yeah, that's right. Auckland Transport spokesman. Gioff Upsin. Dioff Upsin. Though we may not agree with the way he drew attention to the potholes, Auckland Transport and Mr. Upsen have the same ultimate goal,
Starting point is 00:42:42 road safety awareness. well actually i think upson's goal is fix the damn pot holes i don't think it's awareness i think it's a i think it's maybe fix it is what he's trying to say exactly yes yeah don't be don't be a dick and fix this pothole yeah is what he's trying to say with those paintings exactly you guys should see some of these here oh really yeah i have to look at them too they're i mean they're you know it's a rudimentary but oh they're huge yeah it's a big old weiner and wow they're also it's kind of like uh there's kind of an olympics feel to them too. Oh yeah, for sure, right? The rings crossed over like that. Yeah. Oh, look, he's standing
Starting point is 00:43:20 by the way, testicles. By the way, that photo of him with his dog, like, he's making kind of a serious face. But the dog is also making a serious face. And usually golden retrievers like, they always look like they're smiling, but that dog is like, yeah, we're serious about these painted penises. Yeah, he's all business. That dog. That dog is not just about awareness. He's about action. That's right, exactly. So get her done, everyone. Final story for today, a fresh pizza vending machine prompts curiosity and horror in Rome, Italy. Yeah, as it should. Yeah, people, they're not happy about this. Raphael Esposito, the 19th century Napoleon. Napoleon, sorry, I can't say that without saying Napoleon. Say Neapolitan. Neopolitan. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:44:05 It wasn't coming out. I couldn't get it out. Credited with inventing Italy's most famous type of pizza might be turning in his grave. Rome has a new vending machine that slides out freshly cooked pizzas in just three minutes. I would eat this. I would totally eat this. I mean, why is it starting in Italy and not in Vegas? This feels like a 100% Vegas thing. Yeah, I tend to agree. Buyers are using the flaming red Mr. Go pizza machine. Mr. Go. Mr. Go. That's great. They can choose four different kinds of pizza. pizza is costing from $450 to $6.00. That's about $5.20 to $7.20 here. The machines need
Starting point is 00:44:48 and tops the dough with what customers, you know, what they want, their toppings and stuff. And then they can watch the pizza cook behind a small glass window. Reviews by customers on Thursday have the machine. One of them in Rome, first in Rome, range from acceptable if you are in a hurry to outright horror. Quote, it looks good, but it is much smaller than a restaurant and there is less topping, says Claudio Zampinga. Me. A pensioner, which tells you all you need to know. A pensioner.
Starting point is 00:45:16 I love it. They're a nice way of selling an old person. Yeah, an old person. Well, okay, it's smaller than in a restaurant. Fine. Big deal. And there's less topping. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:28 I agree. That's a kind of a we meanly thing we complain about. Fabrizza Polozilizi, a Naples native, and a university student in Rome, gave the machine pizza a try and gave it. a thumbs down saying it tastes more like a Padina or ultra-thin-soft unleavened bread wrap popular in northern Italy. Okay. That sounds good too.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Yeah. Then I just really call it Mr. Go Pia Dina. Our standards so low that this is all such a problem. This doesn't taste like a pizza. It tastes like a flat bread with a cheese and pepperoni on the top. What kind of pizza? it tastes like pizza.
Starting point is 00:46:09 This is bullshitry. Now where can I pick up some dejorno? Yeah, who knows? Yelling into the wind, man. This. Whoops, why'd that play? What? Meant to play that.
Starting point is 00:46:20 There's your angry Italian kid. What? Still don't know what he was trying to say. It's like the kid version of comic strips swears with all the symbols. What? I don't know. Okay, so the only thing we can figure out is he has started to, he understands and says words all the time. So he'll say, yeah, I have a snack, I have a snack, you know, he wants to have a snack.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Sure, sure. But when it's like words he knows, like I want to go outside, he'll, he knows outside, but he needs to fill in all the blanks. So he'll say, jibber, jabber, jibber, jibber, outside. And so I think what he was doing was just one of his jibber jibbers. I think so. It does sound like he's starting with the word kitty. Let's try that again, let's hear it Yeah, there's a kitty in the beginning
Starting point is 00:47:11 Yeah Kitty. Kiddy Kitty goo Kitty goo That's so weird. All right We're going to take a break When we come back
Starting point is 00:47:23 My sister Wendy will be here We got an email to answer And I feel this one, this email I feel Oh really? I've not looked ahead so I don't know I'm going to try not to inject myself too much in it Because I hate when I do that but it's got some parallels to my family life.
Starting point is 00:47:38 But anyway, we'll get to that here briefly. Before that, though, a song from Brian Ibit. Yeah, all right. It's continuing with our rock and roll streak that we've been doing, this new rock streak that we've been doing this week. Let's do another one from L.A., this is a band called Swerve. They've got a debut album coming out on August 13th called Ruin Your Day,
Starting point is 00:47:59 and they've been releasing singles up into this. The brand-new singles called Little Rich Kids. That one comes out tomorrow, so go seek that one out. It'll be on all the streamers. I don't have a copy of it, but it's on YouTube. So go check it out, Little Rich Kids. If you like the Replacements, Oasis, Teenage Fan Club, Queens of the Stone Age, you'll really like this. This is the first single that they released from this upcoming new album.
Starting point is 00:48:26 It's called Escape. Here is Swerve. We're fighting our way through the crowd. The teacher's been dragging our way through the crowd. The teacher's been dragging us down. Yet again Will you say That I'm not trying to complain
Starting point is 00:49:07 There's only so much I can take Let's escape But you want something more than you dreamt of before You're closer than we ever thought we could be when you say Yeah baby, let's go make our way home Am I wrong to suppose that you know more than knows You're caught in our way to make our escape when you say I wonder do you have what it takes
Starting point is 00:49:58 The power's been cut off for weeks No relief Well you say That I'm not trying to betray There's only so much I can hate But let's escape Could you want something more than you've dreamt up before You're closer than we ever thought we could be
Starting point is 00:50:28 when you say Yeah, baby, let's go make our way home Am I wrong to suppose that you know all the knows You caught in our way We make our escape when you say I wonder do you have what it takes Can you want to something more than you've ever thought of something more than you've dreamt up before? say yeah baby let's go make our way home am i wrong to suppose that you know more than those
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Starting point is 00:54:30 I'm not even going to bother Fletcher with a re-record. I'm just going to cut that ass off the end. How about that? Brian, that song again was... That song again is by the band Swerve from their upcoming brand new album. The song is called Escape. Lovely. Go check it out, you guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Brian will not steer you wrong with your music. I will not. That song rocked. Yep. It did. I heard it. It was rocking. It rocked. I haven't heard it. I will hear it, though. I always listen to the shows now. All right. We're going to get Wendy in here and have some fun. Check this out right here. If I can find it and play it. Where is it? I can't find it. Everyone knows it's windy I got to make that easier to see
Starting point is 00:55:09 Hey welcome to the program My Sister Wendy A professional therapist in the world of therapy And she comes on Thursdays And does therapy Thursdays with us Helping you with your problems Hi Wendy Hi
Starting point is 00:55:20 Hi how the heck are you I'm good Yeah I talk to mom on Sunday She said that she had a very long call with you And uh Had a long talk Yeah she said
Starting point is 00:55:32 She made it sound a little ominous at first And I said what's going on mom She said, oh, nothing. We just got talking. Just went a long time. Just went a long time on that call. She, by the way, looks great. And I'm not just saying this because I'm all hopeful for my mom post brain surgery.
Starting point is 00:55:45 But, man, she looks awesome for her age. Her friends look like relics and fossils compared to her. I don't know how she's doing it. So, anyway. She has messed with what I think I shall look like when I'm her age very deeply. And I will never match up. You're going to look like grandma. You're going to look at Grandma Wilson.
Starting point is 00:56:05 You know it. I already look like Grandma Wilson. In fact, yeah, it's going to be great. You have her, all of her things. I look like Dad. The older I get, the more I look like Dad and his side. Yeah, it's weird. I don't like that.
Starting point is 00:56:19 But, you know, it could be worse. We could look like Mark, who, from a distance, I'm not sure who I'm looking at. So it's a weird bit of shade to throw. I don't know what that means. Anyway, hey. He looks great. Yeah, he looks great, too, for his age. Anyway, we're all here.
Starting point is 00:56:33 We're going to do this. It's going to be great. Wendy got an email this week that we are going to use as the impetus for today's discussion. And I will read it now. Here it is. This is from C, someone we will call C. Hello, Wendy and all. I've been struggling with family who appear not to take the pandemic seriously from across this country. Travel for the holidays to drop by without mass. Now regular invitations to get-togethers like nothing is happening. It's fraying my ability to feel connected with them since I feel the need to reject any invitations for safety. And on to this eldest, sorry, add on to this, the eldest family member being a conspiracy type spouting off anti-vaxer material, I'm left feeling like there is going to be another, or there isn't going to be another side of this until I am willing to put myself in danger just to see them. My question is, what steps might you recommend to unpacking the situation and figuring out where to move forward?
Starting point is 00:57:27 I'm about to get my second dose of a vaccine, so I'm optimistic to get out more again, but facing this i don't uh i don't know what to think is normal thanks see so uh we are at a weird new place right like um lots of vaccines going out those willing to get them have access it seems like more than ever and uh despite some parts of the world are in the worst you know moments of this pandemic and it's easy to forget that and not see it if we're not being shown it uh but you know there's optimism, optimism to be had, I think. And so this idea of like, yeah, I'm going to go, I'm vaccinated now. And my closest family members are.
Starting point is 00:58:10 So now we're all getting together and that's cool. And now we're just trying to figure out where we can kind of reach out into the community. But if you constantly feel like you are at the other end of a spectrum of thought than your family, how do you deal with that? And how do you make it right in the end? Like is it ever going to, is it ever going to feel normal with them now that you've all been through this experience and they're kind of, you know, they're still kind of wackadoo and you're still trying to do your thing? And like, what is, what is normal for that? And I think that's what he's asking. And I totally relate to this.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Oh, my gosh. And one of the things we're not, and we know that the eldest family member is anti-vax. So we know that that person isn't vaccinated. But I'm wondering if the, and I know, you know, you can still transmit, even if you. you've been vaccinated, you can still be a carrier for COVID and just not have it yourself, but pass along to other people. But I'm curious about the people who are coming by if they are also anti-vax or if they have been vaccinated. Yeah, I don't know. They don't say. Family members. Yeah, they don't really say. Yeah, because everyone's sort of at their different place. And, I mean,
Starting point is 00:59:22 it's not the most comfortable conversation to have. There was a Saturday Night Live skit I think it was just this last weekend, I don't know, where it's your first COVID after COVID party and people trying to talk to each other. And it was so relatable. I was like, oh my gosh, I've already had these like in not even real life yet. I'm just like, yeah, it's been a crazy year. Yeah, it's like neighbors talking with dogs. Right.
Starting point is 00:59:51 That's all they can say. So what have you been up to? Oh, you know, just sitting home. Yeah. It's just so funny. Anyway, yeah. So there's just like the awkward. element of, hey, where are you really at?
Starting point is 01:00:02 Like, let's have a really deep, meaningful conversation about something you have very strong feelings about, and so do I. How do I bust this out and have this go well? And if anyone has tried that, it probably hasn't gone well because our social skills are all terrible at this point. But also, it really tends to be so personal how someone's reactivity to this. And it can go all the directions. It's not simply, you know, oh, and anti-vaxxer is the most.
Starting point is 01:00:29 vehement, that's the word. Viament? Viament. Viament, thank you. My goodness, you're a Johnson. Yep. Thank you. Johnson's all Johnson's here.
Starting point is 01:00:37 Also, speaking of the vaccine, I got it yesterday, and I'm having that same thing where my brain is going slower than my mouth. Oh, wow. My mouth is, I can't, I can't even say it. Your mouth is right in therapy that your body can cash. Exactly. That's exactly what's happening. Anyway, so I'm not going to say any words right.
Starting point is 01:00:55 Wait, was this number two then? Was it number two? Number two. And this one is like I have way more aches. And so now I have the brain fog and then now I feel like I get hit by a car. So I have that this time. Which brings me to sort of my point, at least I'm having this experience where I have a lot of empathy for folks who, and we can talk about take anti-vaxing out for a minute. Okay. Because that is its own psychological construct that is interesting and needs to. three-hour show. But this hesitancy, not because you're just like, I want everyone to get COVID and die. You're just hesitant, right? You don't know if how well you'll take it. This is a novel virus that we are fighting. There's a reason it's so scary. And then obviously the vaccine is a miracle and the fact that it can be done so quickly. But that can make someone nervous too. And, you know, I mean, I go and get the shot. And the first one, people were so grumpy. It was not
Starting point is 01:01:57 lovely. I did not enjoy that experience. The second time, the person was so kind and warm, and I was like, oh, I'll get vaccines from you all day. It made a huge difference. And I just thought, you know, there's this old lady getting one at the same time as me. And it's a weird time and it's scary, right? So not everyone has politicized this completely. I know that sounds impossible, but it's true that there may just be, I hate needles. I, the last time I got a tetanus and I couldn't I have got a reaction to it. Yeah, exactly. You have rights to be concerned about different things.
Starting point is 01:02:34 I think it's that there's no sort of safe platform to have any kind of conversation that isn't your heads ripped off in either direction. So some researchers and companies and different people are doing different things, right? So Minnesota has done quite well with vaccinations. I think at least half the population has at least their first dose. and the governor here is mildly genius and telling everyone he'll open up the state fair completely if 70% of us get vaccinated.
Starting point is 01:03:03 And so it's going to work because people love that thing. Anyway, but just that idea of like, here's a free beer, crispy cream, giving out donuts. Like there's some positive reinforcement as opposed to what I think has been shame-based and how dare you. And so I get to the core of like what is happening for each person. So let's take this guy.
Starting point is 01:03:26 Is a guy? I don't know. Yeah, I think so. Actually, we don't know, but I guess, yeah, I guess we don't know. There's nothing gender specific. Anything. Anyway, so just this idea that, you know, what is your personal take? What is your personal feeling?
Starting point is 01:03:42 What is your experience? And when you have conversations with other people, what has happened to you? I'm always surprised when someone says to me, I mean, I don't know how you feel about the vaccine. And I'm like, really, I'm not making this obvious? Oh, I think we should have them. But they're so careful and they're being so careful because that's not the world they're living in. They're living in a world that they have to really sort of be careful, do a specific dance with this because of the people they're around. It sounds like that's this guy's world that, you know, here are these people who are ready to go to the extreme and discount whatever you're feeling is to describe what they're going through or what they're going through or what they
Starting point is 01:04:22 want you to know. And where is this person at? Is that person been doing it in the other direction or are they've been kind of neutral? Anyway, when you get a sense of yourself and then recognizing everybody else is coming from their own place of could be fear, anger, whatever, like we don't know. And this is what makes this so hard is, are you going to have the social and emotional bandwidth to really find out where someone is coming from? And he doesn't have to change anybody's minds, but just, like, really listening to them.
Starting point is 01:04:56 Sure. So I guess my advice would be recognize you're not going to win a single discussion. Like, you're not going to convince anybody of anything. Right. And if you do have the bandwidth, can you really listen to what their concerns are? And what you might find is sometimes people's concerns are, like, hilariously and ironically, I don't, what I do with my body is my choice. Yeah. from one political side saying that to the other is funny at this point.
Starting point is 01:05:24 Pretty funny. Pretty ironic. But it's still a legitimate feeling, right? And so can you hear it? I don't know. And that's really the question. Can you hear where someone else is at? And this is not saying, hey, let them scream and yell at you and abuse you. But like an actual conversation where you can really hear each other and understand where the other person's coming from. This is hard. I'm pretty terrible at this, to be honest. So my advice is hip-up-hagic. The fact that we're in this gray time, too, right? It's not deep in the pandemic and we're not out of it yet, but it's this great time of like, all right, some people are vaccinated. Some people aren't. Some people, and like you said,
Starting point is 01:06:03 some people aren't going to get the vaccine. For who knows what reason, you know, could be something legitimate, could be just that they refuse to do it because they don't want government chips in their arm. But you're going to be walking down. the street you're going to pass 18 people that don't have a mask on and we're in that stage now where it's like okay things are okay things might be all right it just feels weird to be around people again we've you know we've seen i've gone through this we've watched our friends going going through this with the whole um being in a place where people may be closer than six feet or being in a place where where there aren't masks or things like that and it's um god it's it's
Starting point is 01:06:48 It helps you understand why some people yell, Jesus is my vaccine and then run through a place without a mask. I'll never understand that. Well, what I mean by that is they're, they are just as put off by it. They are just as awkward about it. They are just as frustrated with it. They're just all those things. They just have it.
Starting point is 01:07:08 They have their way of deciding, you know, they've got their ultimate plan of dealing with it, which is screw everybody. I don't, you know, I don't live in fear, whatever. they want to bottle everybody else up in and they run around like that um and you know part of me's like not not too long ago a member of our family windy extended family and won't get into names or anything but somebody had said to me uh and they had had COVID and were at the end of their antibody time their six month you know thing and should be getting vaccinated and I said well you guys
Starting point is 01:07:42 are going to do that and they said I don't know I don't know if we are and I thought well wait you know I knew that they knew that the the antibody data we have so far suggests that this stuff is you know you're not going to remain immune to this thing and so for your own and they also had a really rough one like it was bad like ER visits and stuff so so in my mind I'm like wait a minute you know more than anybody that you should do this and then the answer was not some kind of I don't believe in vaccinations or I don't know it wasn't that it was that just about wrecked me like I thought I was going to die I don't know if I want to do that to myself again thinking that you know the actual uh the actual second shot in this case would be enough to be as bad as that experience and I can't say how that must have felt for them to be at the lowest point of that their infection so maybe it is that scary and that bad and you know I don't I don't know but I just know this like regardless of what everybody decides to do and we all get together in July for the sort of family get together thing those that planted their flag and
Starting point is 01:08:49 I'm never getting vaccinated land and those of us who did at that point I can't worry about it anymore you know what I mean like I can but what I mean is I'm going to I'm not going to get hung up on it I'm going to go and we're going to we're going to be together and I'm going to and I'm going to I'm going to know in my head that those who are risking her still being putting themselves at risk are doing it after all that you could do and say and after all the time possible to get your freaking shots and you've still chosen that. I don't know what else to do. There's nothing else to do, right, Wendy? I can't do anything. Oh, you can't. But we can walk up and just start coughing without coming our hands or mouth. You think that might turn them? They're like, you just start going
Starting point is 01:09:35 or just lick your hand and pat on the cheek. They'll find to get their shot. Yeah. Like I I heard the other day there's some anti-masking group that is going to start wearing masks to protest people who've had the vaccine. Yeah, I love it. Please do that. What the frick, dude? Like, what do you even? I mean, I thought it was a joke at first, but I guess that's like real anyway. No, what it was, what I had read was that there is a belief that the vaccine, if you're vaccinated, you're shedding vaccine particles on other people.
Starting point is 01:10:08 So in order to protect yourselves from the vaccine. you're going to wear a mask, which is like, do it. I love it. But I have to assume that Venn diagram of people who didn't, wouldn't wear masks before because they weren't worried about a transmission of an actual pathogen are some of the same people who are going to wear them now to stop this fake shedding of vaccines. I love it.
Starting point is 01:10:31 Do you think it's like secretly like, I actually believe in this? I just got to clean my part and I really just need a mask. That's where I'm at. I'm sort of at this place where I'm like, all right, I can't, there's nothing else I can say or do. I can't do anything. All I can do is do what I think is right. You do what you think is right. And we just may not be as close as we used to.
Starting point is 01:10:57 You know? You're pointing out the thing, which is why this is so challenging in families, right? And friendships. I mean, if we have everyone raised their hand, who have you grown further apart from because of the pandemic? and a major disagreement about how things are happening, it's going to be everyone's going to raise their hand about something, right? Like some relationship has been affected. And that's because we are finding out something about people
Starting point is 01:11:26 we would never have known otherwise, right? Right. So we're living in Sweden, and the Swedes treat the stomach flu like it's a pox. If you are sick, you do not leave your house for 48 hours from the last time you vomit. That is how it operates there. Now, think about how many Americans are going to work and vomiting at lunch, right?
Starting point is 01:11:51 Like, you just keep going here. That is our mentality. Yeah. And there, it is a social sin. Like, they will ask you where you got it. Like, they already had, like, CDC running in their blood. It's weird. And when we got there, I was like, are you all so weird about this?
Starting point is 01:12:08 Like, your babies. It's just someone has a cold. You don't stay home for a week. Like it was, they're very, and this is why I think they, they messed around with different ideas with this pandemic that would not have happened in any other country. I'm not sure it's always been, it has been as successful as they hoped.
Starting point is 01:12:23 But they have a built-in weirdness about it that I felt judged all the time. And I would secretly be like, kids, do not tell anyone you had a cough. You know, like, because it was, felt so judgy. And then, you know, everyone's at a different place. And then when you find out, so they could be like, oh, you're American.
Starting point is 01:12:40 And I was a built-in like, oh, we still can like you, even though you don't quite understand the social mores, you know? Whereas I think here we have, everyone has looked at a friend or a neighbor and had a conversation that you went, wait, what? Yeah. You don't care that that kid who's immunocompromise up the street. You don't think he should have a mask. Like, how are you? Who are you? And so I think there has been an awakening to pieces of us that maybe aren't even.
Starting point is 01:13:10 even deep, dark parts of us just tend to be, hey, this is how I'm handling this freaky time in my life and I'm angry or I lost my job or whatever. And now this isn't this new piece of information that doesn't make you feel safe to me. Like I don't really know you anymore. Yeah, there is that. There's a disassociation feeling that I get. And it's mostly with some people that, you know, you think you've known somebody for like a really long time. And you, you just kind of really know them and then. And as you heard him say, someone like this, like, wow, all right, what else about you have I been? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:47 And it's not even just this, like just, you know, whatever. The last five years have been revealing in a lot of ways for a lot of people. But then what do you do with that information? You can't just go, oh, that's weird. Anyway, and then move on. Like, it feels like you have to, I don't know. I don't, I don't, not a shunner. I don't shun anybody.
Starting point is 01:14:08 But there is this feeling of like, I don't need. I'm not a shudder, Jerry. Yeah. Like, I don't need you in my life right now. Like, if I do, you'll just frustrate me. So come back in a decade, maybe you'll be over it. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:14:24 I don't know. Which is the sorting of a tribe, is it not? Like, it's just another version of, we agree so it feels safe, right? And like anything, it's kind of like when you get to extreme on either side they eventually meet around back right they're like the same thing um is that that sort of need to belong the need to be agreed with the need to feel secure and safe and whatever i mean it's a really strong one and so it's just one of those things that um is new to everything here is that you know if you'd ask anyone in 2015 okay a pandemic's coming what do you think's
Starting point is 01:15:10 going to happen. They're probably not thinking. I mean, someone would have guessed there will be a mask protest or there will be some anti-vaxxers. That is not, that's not surprising. I think what's been surprising is the sheer number. Because if you, you know, I've listened to a few podcasts about historians who have, you know, really, really focused on previous pandemics. And nothing's changed in some ways, right? There's 2,000 anti-maskers protesting in California. on this date for when the Spanish flu, which of course isn't even the Spanish flu. When that was happening, you know,
Starting point is 01:15:49 we blame the Spaniards when really it's an American source, but the Spanish were the first ones willing to talk about it. Like you read or listen to that and you're like, oh my gosh, humans haven't changed. But we did not have at our fingertips the ability to create echo chambers so quickly. and or the illusion that our tribe was really big and stronger or better or smarter or, you know, that didn't exist. And so I think we just have an amplified version of what humans often do when things are scary and hard.
Starting point is 01:16:22 So let's get back to this guy specifically what he should do. So, Scott, your advice is that he just does nothing about it? What was your advice again? No, I just, I don't know what to do about it. Like, I would be a terrible advice giver to this person because on the one hand, I try to, I try to be. empathetic or understand where people are coming from and then but that never lead i don't know i've just the the poops i used to have to give all ran out in 2020 and um so i'm a bad person to ask right now i think but here's the thing i mean there it's got such more uh so much more of a
Starting point is 01:17:01 global and community context now having some some dude in your life who thought that the earth was flat wasn't a big deal right because or not. It's only affecting them. It's not hurting anybody else. Any conspiracy theory typically is like, all right, well, that's good for you, buddy. Glad you believe that. And it doesn't affect me. But now when you've got people who are, who have the ability by their willful disagreement with the, you know, with science, who have the potential of spreading this virus or or spreading variations of the virus or things like that that's that goes beyond just affecting them and so that's why it's it's a different thing than
Starting point is 01:17:48 it was back in 2019 2018 yeah like if you had a thing that that's a really good that's a great way of putting it like if you had somebody you disagreed with you still had yeah you still It was usually just a thing that affected them, not necessarily affected everybody, but this and your stance does, you know, affect everybody. Kim and I were talking the other day, we should go see a movie. But then we started thinking, all right, well, we're both vaccinated, but we still don't know what the deal is with little kids yet. We got this little boy in our lives.
Starting point is 01:18:23 The last thing on this planet I would ever want to do is put him at risk for anything. And so we were like, yeah. Plus, there's really nothing in theaters. Right. There's nothing in the years anyway. I looked at there. Is it worth it? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:36 I mean, we want to see that new Jason state, the movie, but we can wait. Exactly. We can wait. But that's my point. But that's my point. Client Place two is the next thing. It's like, all right, maybe by quiet place two. We're going to see how things look.
Starting point is 01:18:47 Sure. Sure. But that's my whole thing is that there's still these issues. And when I break with people is when I hear them not thinking that way, when I hear them thinking about no one's going to take my thinking. my thing away, you know, when it's me, me, me, my, my, my, then I know they're not, they don't give a shit about anybody. And because they don't, I start to not give one about them.
Starting point is 01:19:11 Like, it's a vicious circle, you know, and I get, oh, it just makes me mad. I don't know. So, yeah, I don't have a good answer, Wendy, is the point. I have no answer. Bad answer. So, Brian, do you have an answer? I hate to say it. And this kind of goes along with what you're saying.
Starting point is 01:19:30 But you just kind of have to, you kind of have to just pick the battles that you want to fight. You know, decide. Plus, again, we don't know. We don't know if the people who are popping over without masks are vaccinated or not. The danger is the grandparents and the kids. The anti-vaxing, well, we don't know if it's a grandmother or grandfather, but the eldest family member who's the anti-vaxer. You've got to worry about them.
Starting point is 01:20:01 Like Scott says, you've got to worry about the little kids. You just got to kind of pick the battles and do your best to be protective. So if they do pop over not wearing masks, don't want to keep yours on, you know, and keep six feet away and say, yeah, I'm not going to hug you right now just because we're trying to keep grainy safe. But you just kind of got to figure out, all right, where are the best? battles that I'd even have a chance of of changing somebody's mind on and they're going to be so few and far between it's there's no point well I think I agree with this and I think part of the part part of where I'm hung up I needed I need to just blurt this out and get it out of my system some of these people I'm talking about are people who how do I put this
Starting point is 01:20:54 who share similar upbringing to me no not no not that you co host a morning no no no no no None of that. We are of like mine, you and I. But no, like people who I either grew up with or new growing up or know people who were raised in the same way that I was raised and was taught the same things I was taught. And by that I mean things like share and share alike. Do for other people before you think about yourself, you know, this kind of stuff. And so then I see them still sort of preaching that on Sundays or wherever they want to preach it. But the rest of the time, it's me, me and my rights and you suck and I'm on a, it's tribal, tribal this and tribal that, but they do the talking on the Sunday, but they don't do it the rest of the week. And that may sound like time, time shared old tradition of humankind. And it is, right? That kind of hypocrisy has existed forever. And a lot of people don't even know they're doing it while they're doing it. But boy, has that come into sharp relief over the last year and a half for me. and people who I know, know better, do it anyway. And they do it out of like weird reasons. Like, I don't know. Mostly political.
Starting point is 01:22:13 It's mostly just, you know, which tribe are you adhering to? And then therefore you walk that line. But you still claim to have these other principles in your life that are, they are in opposition to what you're doing. Your behavior does not match that template anymore. and that's where I struggle because how do I get past that ever? How do you ever get past that in somebody? I don't mean that we're not all,
Starting point is 01:22:36 we're all imperfect, we all have our problems, we all of our weaknesses. You know, nobody's perfect, but just that doubling down on what you know is just bad for you and bad for the people around you.
Starting point is 01:22:49 I don't know. I don't know. That's why it's hard. That's why it's hard for me. The other side of the coin, the people who everybody's got their different caution level, right?
Starting point is 01:23:02 Like our crazy neighbors are on the spectrum of being careful around this whole time. Tina and I've been to restaurants. We've been careful in restaurants. We wear our masks until we actually have a drink or food in front of us.
Starting point is 01:23:19 And then as soon as we're done eating, we put the masks back on, et cetera. But we have friends. crazy neighbors who are like, yeah, we're still not going out to restaurants. And the thing to be very conscientious about right now is to realize that on the careful side of things, not on the, I'm not wearing a mask, no Vax side of things, but on the other side of things, everybody's got their own level of how quickly they're going to be able to re-assimilate themselves into society. and you've got to be patient and not shame somebody if they want to be more careful and they
Starting point is 01:24:01 don't want to go to a restaurant right now or go on a plane or go see a movie. That is 100% okay. And when you're ready to do it, cool, I'll go there and do it with you. But I'm certainly not going to say, oh, come on, it's fine. Take your mask off. We're good. We're all vaccinated. Take it off.
Starting point is 01:24:21 You know, let's let people assimilate. their own speed and because those are the people who are being careful and they should have the have the right to take it as slow as they want to take it that is a very good point i think you're hitting on something that is kind of going back to this individual psychology of each person right like everyone's got their own disgust reflex right everyone's got their own version of oCD with germs or not at all like there's this spectrum for for each person right so assuming everyone should be in the same place is, you know, that's erroneous. But there's also this like, you guys both reference this,
Starting point is 01:25:04 this sort of compassion for others that aren't in the same place as you. And I think that anger robs us of that, right? Or feeling like you've been treated poorly. Or this is finally your chance to stick up for yourself and say something. Like I think if we took anybody in any of these extreme. categories on either side. Someone who was not willing to leave their house ever again is not okay, right? We have to, there's some, some struggle that has been created for them that is just as bad as someone who's just like, screw the children, rip masks off their faces, aka Tucker
Starting point is 01:25:40 Carlson, right? Like, something is really wrong with that guy. Like, what is the, I was coming home one day and look what I found, a child on the road. And was he wearing him? I'm just doing my Tucker Carlson. Yeah, yeah, that's a good Tucker Carlson. why is that why is that why is that why is never heard his voice because i you're lucky nasal just look on his face like he it can't figure out a rubic's cube uh he sucks he sucks he sucks yeah i've read his words they're bad enough so i always choose certain like auditorily no you don't get my time he blows but um that idea though is that like everyone's doing things for their own individual reasons and so my advice to this guy would would be like i'm
Starting point is 01:26:24 I'm repeating myself here, but just recognize everyone's in a different place. And the part of you that sort of jumps in to protect you, you can be grateful for that part, but don't let that part drive the car, right? Which is like, they're terrible. You know, like, do, soothe yourself. And like Brian was saying, do the things you need to do to feel comfortable. And then recognize that that's all you have control over. I mean, this is hard.
Starting point is 01:26:52 Everyone's got. this in some form or another. And maybe, Brian, you're, you've been the person who's a little more free and you're watching someone else be like, what are you doing? Yeah, we've had that. And we've been following, you know, all of the state guidelines, the county guidelines. We are, you know, 100% on board with that. And as of today, I believe restaurants in all of the major Denver metro area counties are all back up to 100% capacity. Still have to wear a mask when you go inside, but restaurants now don't have to have the 50% 80% capacity.
Starting point is 01:27:33 And that's going to be weird the first time I go into a restaurant where I'm, you know, an elbows distance away from some guy eating his clam chowder and I could, you know, reach out and touch him. I'm not going to do it. I guess what I'm saying is, You know, like I'm not going, we're in similar situation here. Like things are, things are opening up that way and masks are still required, but blah, blah, blah, all that stuff's great.
Starting point is 01:27:58 But what I have, this is where I just get stuck. And I know I'm repeating myself a little bit. But if somebody, some Bible thumper talks about loving their neighbors themselves all the time and then goes into a restaurant and yells at the staff because they don't want to wear a mask and calls them a bunch of sheep and puppets. F right off, double bird right to your face. Like, I've had it with those people. Those people and I are done. And unfortunately, I know some of them. And that's where, this is where I'm hung up is I know them.
Starting point is 01:28:34 I know they know better, yet they still do it. And I'm left with just these two fingers in their face. I just don't want to be critical and say it sucks for the people who are, you know, who are refusing to wear a mask or refusing to get the vaccine. But it's okay for the people who are like, nope, I want to stand my house. I want to not go out. I want to just, you know, keep quarantining myself because I don't want to be hypocritical and say, oh, it's okay for them, but it's not okay for that guy.
Starting point is 01:29:04 Yeah, but there's still jerks about it. They're like. Because there's the difference. Yeah. Are you a jerk about what you think or not? Like, there's the difference. Or how will what you do affect other people? The person staying in their house won't spread the virus.
Starting point is 01:29:18 They won't willfully, you know, cause somebody else to get sick, whereas the, the dufus in the line at Abergene, whatever it's called. Yeah. Eggplant Jr. Yeah. Eggplant emoji. Yeah. You know, potentially could get somebody else sick if he's a carrier and he's not getting the vaccine. But either way, just being such an a-hole about it. Like, if you say, oh, yeah, we're not comfortable going out, that's not tantam. out to the same as saying, you're a bunch of sheep, you bunch of... That's right, exactly. You're a puppet. You're a puppet. You're a pupate of the leftists or whatever.
Starting point is 01:29:57 Like, I can't deal with it. It's the same problem I have where I don't know why people give such a crap about other people's personal decisions. Why anyone would care. These are libertarians, Scott. That's all they care about is other people's decisions. Yeah, but they shouldn't. There's a whole point of libertarianism is
Starting point is 01:30:13 they're supposed to be everybody... I know. That was my joke, dummy. Oh. Here's the thing. So the real question I have is why. Why do you have to yell at some teenager who's got a mask on and working to give you food or grocery? I don't know. That's my point. I don't know what that is.
Starting point is 01:30:33 What is that? I mean, I have some ideas, but that's ultimately the question. So someone is not against, I mean, you're not pro polio, right? You're anti-vaxing. And if you listen to the history of it, you read the history of it and like follow the science of it and why it's, you know, there are mega rich enclaves of like an island. I think it's in Oregon or Washington where they've got measle outbreaks because rich fancy people are not going to be told what to do. You're like, okay. And there is something to be said for, I'm above biology.
Starting point is 01:31:12 And this is something, a kind of fascinating thought I've had recently of, of. you know, there's a left and a right side of anti-vaccination. And it was the left that really started with the anti-vaccination. The right has sort of jumped onto it. Don't you tell me what to do? But the left, it was just like, we need to have it more natural. And what is that? And it starts with the wealthy.
Starting point is 01:31:37 And at least all the counties where we now have measle outbreaks. They're all wealthy places. And it has something to do with just sort of, I'm above biology. And I have wondered this about folks that, you know, some of us are like, I am not above biology at all. I'm for sure the one that's going to get it, you know? Right, exactly. And then others are just feel untouchable and do not. And many people have behaved badly, quote unquote, badly during this pandemic and have not gotten sick.
Starting point is 01:32:04 So what is that just confirmed that they are above biology? It reinforces there. Exactly. Yeah. Totally. So we can't, we can't win. I guess that's the theme here. You can't win.
Starting point is 01:32:13 But there is something about. everyone's kind of got their different place. So you've got this anti-vax or older brother or sibling or uncle or whoever that person is. Like there are reasons. Usually reasons you don't know about possibly, some may be really obvious, that they have to preach this. They have to make everyone agree with them or they have to be unkind if you don't or, you know, or they just have their thoughts and they're going to share them. I mean, everyone's going to be different for different reasons. I guess it's just working with your own psychology, your own biology, your own what do you need to be a good version of yourself and how to handle the hypocrisy or handle the other things in a way that you can feel good about. I mean, I think if we really sat some of these hypocrites down, Scott, and just said, like, let's take their ego away for just a moment and, like, really get deep.
Starting point is 01:33:09 you'd find that they're doing this for some reason that none of us would have guessed. Yeah. Right? Yeah, probably. Probably. And why they keep doing it and what that's about, why it's so threatening that a little kid has a mask on. Like, I don't know. I don't know where that comes from for somebody.
Starting point is 01:33:27 But if we have them wherewithal to find out, aka, they're in therapy with you. I think Carlson just makes massive amounts of money by doing this. I think that's his motivation. but so okay really wise words from Bobby in the chat he just said this you want to feel like the decisions you are making are the right decisions when someone else is making a decision that is different from yours it can feel like you're doing the wrong thing so you have to cognitively deal with that somehow the way a lot of people deal with that is convince themselves that those people are wrong and that they need to be brought in line in order to make you feel like you're more or make you feel
Starting point is 01:34:04 like you're doing the right thing I think that's it that's what people that's the motivation. Like on one side of the other or all the complex sides of every issue, whatever, that's it. You need reinforcement for how you feel. And some people go to the extreme of yell at a teenager who's bringing you a drink at a restaurant
Starting point is 01:34:22 and making fun of him because he's wearing a mask or not finding out somebody as trans and just not letting it go and ridiculing them for their decision in life. Or whatever other thing that they target the way you believe or different from the way you feel right they need to how to how else are they going to reinforce that the same way we reinforce it and that is by being around people that are like-minded and telling people who are not like-minded that they're wrong I think that's it
Starting point is 01:34:53 Bobby needs to be on the show because he's exactly very good which is well he was earlier today Bobby you take my place especially when I have he's he's our guest before before you so he's on the show yeah he comes Okay, if I have him talk more like this. He gets more than enough air time. Yeah. He does a science segment on the show and it's very good, but yeah, usually doesn't get into a psychological. His point is exactly right, which is we don't know how to handle being told we're wrong.
Starting point is 01:35:20 And you start with someone as a child. What happens when you're told you're wrong as a child? You create a million different psychological defense mechanisms and patterns and behaviors. So now you're going to be a straight, straight a student and be driven like a motor. or now you're going to say, screw you, I can't, I can't handle that rejection and that pain, so I will do everything the opposite. Or, you know, you name the millions of options people will take to not be told they're wrong. And I think maybe that's just what we're seeing. We're seeing everyone's trained responses to be told being told what to do and that, you know, appealing to you're a good person if you do this or not when that's not how they feel.
Starting point is 01:36:02 I mean, how they handle cognitive distance is how they handle it. And that's true, you know, for every single one of us. If you've ever had to convince or try to convince a flat earther that they're wrong, you can't do it. It doesn't actually work. You can't do it. Any more than you can deprogram a gay person or any of the other great, bright ideas anybody's ever had. You cannot sit down with somebody who is, the difference here is it's demonstrably wrong that the earth is flat. Okay.
Starting point is 01:36:35 So you are in a position of correctness when you're telling somebody that they're wrong about that. But it doesn't matter. I mean, it matters in some sort of basic truth sense. But it doesn't mean they're going to change their mind even though you have objective truth on your side. You can demonstrate it. You can show it. It is 100% factual. It's like my whole does Japan exist thing.
Starting point is 01:37:01 I used to teach kids. I cannot believe how that's coming. like full circle for me, that concept. I used to tell these kids and get them in a classroom. I've told the story before, I think. But I would say to them, hey, does Japan exist? Proved to me it exists.
Starting point is 01:37:17 And these kids would go around and around and around telling me proof. My dad went there on business. Well, that's what he told you. He's probably fooling you. Okay, how about you? I've seen pictures. Those can be faked. They can all be fake.
Starting point is 01:37:26 Well, I saw a movie about Japan. Well, it was probably China. And, you know, like I went down the road a little bit of like, oh, Asian people all kind of look the same. you know, like pushing them in all these weird corners so that by the end of it, they are husks of non-belief. They look at me like, well, I don't, I don't know if anything's real anymore. Oh my gosh. You're creating a bunch of little conspiracy theorists. No, no, that's the idea. No, this is the idea. You say to them, you say to them, of course Japan
Starting point is 01:37:54 exists. Of course it's a real place. And of course, all those pictures are real. Why? Because you tell me so, Mr. Johnson. Your dad was telling you the truth. And your brother who visited there was telling of the truth and that girl you met who came here as a student and she lived in Japan, those are all true. But just so you know, there are people in your life, they're going to talk like this and you need to be prepared for them. Now, I used to do that all the time as a regular thing for different groups as they'd come in, different ages. And now when I go on Facebook, guess who has, guess who I find anyway seem to have the best handle on stuff. It's these kids. They're all in their 30s now, some of them.
Starting point is 01:38:34 But they all talk like me. They all say things like... You created minions. Yeah, I kind of did. I kind of did, but I don't feel bad about it because I feel like it was the right thing to do to try to explain to people. You can have all the logic and the truth on your side in the world. It won't matter if those people are not willing to flip. They just won't do it.
Starting point is 01:38:55 Why would they? And it doesn't matter how ridiculous is. And so I guess what I'm saying is I've learned in the last few years, it can get really stupid. And people will still adhere to it. Like really stupid. 5G chips in your freaking vaccine. Bill Gates is tracking you everywhere you go. Like I can't believe I'm saying that out loud.
Starting point is 01:39:12 I was talking to one of our tab poolers last night, works with a guy who says the most insane things. They say that dust has nanites in it, created by the government so that they create dust storms, the nanites do. We just think they're dust storms, but really those nanites are getting, they're tracking and controlling people.
Starting point is 01:39:32 And then I find out this person is like in charge to some really important stuff at the job he does, like smart in all these other ways, but believes wholeheartedly in all this weirdness, including a flat earth theory, including blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like,
Starting point is 01:39:43 you're going to run into those people and they're going to say these things and you just, what are you going to do? And right now it just feels like it's at a fever pitch, that's all. It just feels like it's way more than it usually is
Starting point is 01:39:55 or they're coming out of the woodwork or a pandemic forces everybody to pick a hill to die on. I don't know. It's just weird. Yeah. Rant complete. My rant is over.
Starting point is 01:40:04 That's true. Yeah. And then the Roaring 20s is supposed to follow, right? So I'm excited for the Roaring 20s. Yeah, right? Let's get them back. Let's get those Roaring 20s and then a huge World War. Another Great Depression.
Starting point is 01:40:16 Yeah, and then a big World War and then that'll get everybody paid. It's my favorite T-shirt. I have an onion t-shirt that says history size and repeats itself. Yeah, it does. That's true. Size heavily sometimes. Well, anyway, I hope this helps see with his or her dealing with because this sounds like a pain that we can all relate to,
Starting point is 01:40:37 and we hope that we've been some help to you today. I can tell you that there's a bunch of people getting help with each other and with Wendy over there at real steps.org. And if you miss the most recent sign up, don't worry, more will be coming. I guess your next major group will be August, right? August, yep. But you can put your email on and get on a list there
Starting point is 01:40:56 and then also read all about it. Yeah. And yeah. Go do that. Good times. We're having a blast. There's such a good group. It's so fun.
Starting point is 01:41:03 And we're going to expand a little bit. So there's some new exciting things coming later this year. So join up and never look for me on Instagram again because I won't be there. She won't be there. All right. See you later. She's not, I don't think she likes Instagram anymore. Also, you guys got to witness the thing my sister loves doing occasionally, which is to call me a dummy,
Starting point is 01:41:26 which is one of my favorite things on this planet. So don't read too much into it. That is just, to me, it's a term of endearment. when she does that sort of thing, and it cracks me up. So finally on TMS, I got called the dummy that I am. Nice. All right, Brian, we have gotten to the point of the show where we can do no harm,
Starting point is 01:41:46 but we can play a mashup, so I'm going to do it now. This is a bonus mashup from TMS, Jamie. It's called Butterbum in Texas, all right? Okay. This is a PRS, a poorly remembered shite mashup. He claims this is his favorite kind of stuff to capture. So mine too. Let's find out why when I hit play.
Starting point is 01:42:07 I heard about something coming that was about a lady who everyone thinks killed her kid. Is this what I'm talking about? Right. Yeah, that's not this at all. Shit. It's the dude from Father Ted, but not Father Ted. Oh, the other guy. The younger, the, the, the guy that's trying to be, he's like the young vicar trying to learn the ropes.
Starting point is 01:42:30 The actor name is Alden something. Alden O Flaherty Allden O Flaherty! It is the Hot Rooster action. No, what the hell is it called? It is called Flaming.
Starting point is 01:42:42 Flaming bird? The hot bird? No, flaming something. Flaming bird Arvada. Let me see if that's it. Hot rooster action. The Blazen. Flaming hot cock action.
Starting point is 01:42:53 Geez, Teezee on. Wow. Yeah, the blazing bird. The blazing bird. There's no crying in video games. The bird is the word. It's the blazing bird. Even if it's not Harry Dean, not Harry Dan Anderson.
Starting point is 01:43:06 What's the guy's name? Who's the guy who played MacGyver? It's a three-namer. It is. Somebody in the child. Is Stargate is G1? Richard Dean Anderson? Richard Dean Anderson.
Starting point is 01:43:16 Thank you. Harry Dean Stanton, Richard Dean Anderson. Combine those. That was like Pumba, okay? Just for the record. That was Puma. There's your Pumba moment. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:43:25 Richard Dean Anderson. He was a cheater, right? It looks like the shape of our stars or the path of our cancers or whatever. You know, stuff like that. There was a whole list of our cancers. Didn't the girl have cancer? She did. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:39 But it was called the path. What was it now? Paper dolls. The shape of our path of our stars. The shape of our. No, paper. The fault in our stars. The fault in our stars.
Starting point is 01:43:50 The paper and our stars. The tidy perfect map of our stars with cancer is what that movie is called. Is anyone here seeing that Butterbomb movie? I can't think of the real name of it. Butterbomb movie? The one where, what's his name puts? butter, uses butter and then does the bum. What's that called?
Starting point is 01:44:06 You're talking about Brando? No, yeah, Brando. When he does actual butt sex or whatever it was? Yeah, butter, butt in Texas or what's it called? France. Tango in Paris? Last tango in Paris. Yeah, yeah, last tango in Paris.
Starting point is 01:44:18 That is so funny. How did we get there? Just when I think, like, we're years past Peak Johnson, we get butter, bum in Texas. Oh, my gosh, dude. I never can remember the name of that, but I always remember the butterbutt thing. Yeah, butterbom. Last butterbum in Texas. That's the one.
Starting point is 01:44:41 All right. Jamie, you killed it. Well done. Nice work, as always. And don't worry next week. They'll be even more from our good pal, Jamie. Oh, yeah. I dropped my red fraggle eyeball thing.
Starting point is 01:44:52 Oh, no. Oh, no. Your peeper, peepers, puppets. Yep. It didn't break, though. Okay, we're good. We're good. We're good.
Starting point is 01:45:01 That's it. edition of the show tomorrow for patrons if you want to know more about how that works and how to be a live one of those or get the archive. You can do that at patreon.com slash TMS. It's the only way to get that episode. So if you want it, you got to go get it. Patreon.com slash TMS. Let your support show today. Frogpants.com slash TMS for everything else. And I think that's it. Brian, let's play a song. Do you have a song? I've got a song. That's not the one I was just singing, by the way. Adolf from San Antonio wrote in and said, Dear Letter and Stamp, Thursday is my wife, Jessica's birthday. I wanted to request a cover of either Iris or brown-eyed girl as a way of saying, I love you. In January, I nearly died due to diabetic ketoacidosis. My friend Alan actually has that. So I know I feel you, buddy. And a list of other issues that put me in the ICU. And yes, my own stupidity. Yes, Scott, no more shug for me. She nursed me back to health
Starting point is 01:46:01 And I am now able to function Normally all things considered She's my rock and my angel Thank you sweetheart Happy birthday, love Adolf Love the show though I can see why you like it Oh well before that
Starting point is 01:46:12 Happy birthday To you That's for your wife And then I can totally see why you like it I can definitely see why you like it Well it's definitely People say totally It's definitely
Starting point is 01:46:22 I know I can definitely see why you like it Or they just say I can see why you like it Yep God if she had any idea the meme that she's created by that one offhand comment that one offhand backhanded compliment slight against TMS right even the the bees guys at least he knows right he knows I don't like bees he knows yeah can we hear back from the dude what's either
Starting point is 01:46:48 married or related to her and tell us if she has any idea what's going on I'd love to hear that if you're still around too who knows I don't even know but that's right the next TMS challenge coin we'll say, I can definitely see why you like it on one side. Nice. Oh, wait, we don't have that already, do we? That's not already on it. No, love the show, though. No, love the show, though.
Starting point is 01:47:06 That's right. That's what the current TMS challenge. Look at that baby. Yeah, you can only get those in Vegas. That's where that happened. That's right. I'm taking it to Vegas just in case somebody comes up to me and says, show me your challenge coin.
Starting point is 01:47:18 Oh, yeah, that's right. Just don't try to put it in a slot machine. Everything will go bad if you do that. Lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, no. Well, yeah, it was on the mug, Claire. you're right. We did a mug of the head. I can definitely see what you like it. That's right. Okay. So, Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls, that's what I decided to
Starting point is 01:47:35 pull a cover of. This is great because if you go back to the 80s and Tom Cruise before he got all weird and angry and stuff, he was in that movie risky business. And that whole movie risky business centered on having sex on a train. It really didn't, but that was an important part of it. And the music that you hear when you have sex on a train, apparently, is
Starting point is 01:47:57 Tangerine Dream. Well, Tangerine Dream in 2012 came back with an album all covers and the damn thing is so, so good. Here is Tangerine Dream from that 2012 album undercover with their cover of the Goo Goo Dolls, Iris. touch you because I know that you'll feel me somehow you're the closest
Starting point is 01:48:35 to heaven that I'll ever be and I don't want to go home right now and all I can taste is this moment and all I can breathe is your life
Starting point is 01:48:52 because sooner or later it's over I just don't want to miss you tonight I don't want the world to see me because I don't think that they understand When everything's made to be broken I just want you to know who I am They can't fight the tears that ain't coming
Starting point is 01:49:38 Or the moment of truth in your lives When everything feels like the movies Yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive And I don't want the world to see me Because I don't think that they understand When everything's made to be broken I just want you to know I am I'm going to be the
Starting point is 01:50:14 I'm going to be. I'm going to I'm going to I'm I'm going to be able to be. I don't want the world to see me because I don't believe that they understand that everything's made to be broken
Starting point is 01:51:17 I just want you to know who I am I don't want the world to see Because I don't think that they understand When everything's made to be procured I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am I just want you to know who I am. I just want you to know who I am.
Starting point is 01:51:57 I just want you to know who I am. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Pants Network. Get more shows like this at frogpants.com. Shit!

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