The Morning Stream - TMS 2128: Uncle Tinkles

Episode Date: June 10, 2021

This Is Not My AirBNB House! Frosty-Haired Chode. Having A Rule And Enforcing It Are Two Very Different Things! Rick Roll gives me gas. You'll never get me Loki Charms! Find the weird. Cut it. Use It. I don't like Uncle Peeeeeeeee. Question for the Weed People. Put Your Wiener In It! NFTing NFT. I am a lady liking lady. Scott Rick-splains YouTube. Bumping heads with Skeezy Crypto Bros. A Cool Dude with a Whole Lotta Hair talking science and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

At Arizona State University, we're bringing world-class education from our globally acclaimed faculty to you. Earn your degree from the nation's most innovative university online. That's a degree better. Learn more at ASUonline.ASU.org. Coming up on TMS, this is not my Air and B House. Close enough. Frosty-haired showed. Having a rule and enforcing it are two very different things.

Rickroll gives me gas. You'll never get me Loki Charms. Find the weird. Cut it. Use it. I don't like Uncle P. Question for the weed, people. Put your wiener in it. NFTing, NFT. I am the lady-liking lady.

Scott Rixblains YouTube. Bumping heads with sleazy crypto bros. A cool dude with a whole lot of hair talking science and more on this episode of the morning stream. I like to take out my teeth before I begin nibbling on your filest. see skin who's on a skin nibbler frosty-haired chode

the morning stream you're soaking in it's soaking in it Welcome back to TMS, everybody. It is the morning stream for Thursday, June 10th, 2021. I'm Scott Johnson with Brian. But hi, Brian. Hi, Scott.

I feel like I need to go wash my face and ears after listening to that opening clip. Yeah, that was a little bit weird. Just rinse my ears out with some cure owl or something. For the record, the video I got that from, that guy literally had his teeth out when he was doing it. Well, that's cool. I don't doubt that at all. TikTok, is that another TikTok, Jim, Scott? That one may have been a YouTube thing.

I'm not sure. I kind of get them from all over. Wherever I can find the weird, I find it, and then I cut it, and then we use it. This came from a movie, though. Frosty-haired chode. No, I don't know what movie, but I know that Ant-Man's in it, Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. And I don't know what the movie is.

Someone else out there may know this. Frosty-haired chode. Does that ring a bell? Frosty-haired chode? Frosty-haired chode. Yeah. The Wendy's story, the story of Dave Thomas and the... Frosty-haired chode

The restaurant I love you, man, from 2009 Oh, was that it? Okay. Yeah. All right. Frosty-haired chode. I got that from that cool website

I showed you guys where you could The search for, I forgot the name of it, I guess it's in our film site discussion. But you can go to this website. Here, I'll give it to the people at home. Oh, yes, right. This is pretty cool.

Here it is. Does not work on an iPad, by the way. Oh, very well anyway. Oh, okay. Maybe only desktop. Playphrase. Me. And you go there and you type in any phrase and then it will very quickly spit back out multiple scenes from films and movies where those phrases are used and do it with, you know, full video and audio.

The downside of it is it's not, it can't, there's no way this thing's 100% complete because I put in, I'll be back. Yes. And it gave me like 10, I'll be back. And then stopped. None of them were Arnold. None of them were Terminator. Did you donate to open up unlimited? Oh, was that what it does?

Yeah, yeah, it only plays. I think it only plays five unless you contribute to the project. How much can I contribute and get free, you know? Can I give them a dollar? It's not free, is it? Well, can I give them a dollar, though? I think five bucks. I don't know.

For some reason, I thought there was a number on there. But, uh... Let's see, they've got 1.9 million phrases, so there's a lot. it's amazing it's cool check it out it's at playphrase dot me and um i don't know it might be useful for film sack one day if i donate a dollar i don't know anyway um welcome to the show lots to do it's a little weird today uh it's short Wendy's not here she's on her way with her four kids and husband to see um his family in Florida they're doing a some sort of reunion business and Florida Florida uh so they're she is super like stacked up with

that she emailed me yesterday and just said i don't know what else to do i was going to try to make this work but i don't know how to do it and i'm like do not worry about it uh you're good what it bums me out is she's got to do all of that which is a huge nightmare and then get back and then in a week and a half after that they got it all load up out here and do the same thing wow it's a lot it's a lot to ask it's like two family unions just back to back i couldn't do it i couldn't do it either it gives me gas to even think about it um we're having kind of we're having our next weekend. Yeah, what do you got planned?

You mentioned that. What do you got plan for that? What's going to be fun there? We're going to Glenwood Springs, which is about two hours west into the mountains. And it's the town is named after the hot springs in Glenwood. And it is a pool that they, a ginormous two block, three block long pool. It is a massive pool that they have to cool down to let people to get into it. Yeah.

And, uh, um, we've got a big Airbnb house. We've got, um, all that stuff, uh, barbecue grill. We're just, you know, I'm taking a bunch of board games, many that people will hate, I'm sure, uh, uh, well, you like the cut above stuff. They're all expecting scrabble and you're going to bring something cool. Right. I'm still bringing, I'm still bringing stuff like, you know, Scrabble level. Um, there's a, there's a cool Ken Jennings game that, um, um,

I think Jerry Tolbert sent me that he kickstart and ended up with two copies that is like a trivia, like a whole trivia thing. I'll be taking that one. I'll be taking Marvel United because... Because you're you. Because I'm me and I've got to play that damn thing with some people. Sure. Taking Groundhog Day. And then, yeah, just a bunch of stuff like that.

That's great. But it's going to be, it'll be nice. It's family reunion, but it's 90% of the family that lives here in Colorado that we've all seen. We just haven't, when my grandmother passed away last year during COVID, we never really did a funeral or any sort of wake or get together. And so that's what this is going to be. Nice. That's why I've been converting these videos like a crazy person is so that we have them for this trip. All these eight millimeter videos.

Oh, yeah. Do you have a full presentation plan? like you're going to do like I have a whole tent talk yeah fun yeah no it's uh I gotta show you can I gotta I gotta I gotta share this one though

you share it is this you little like a tiny kid it's not me no these are all of these are like pre-1967 oh all right but this is my uncle um there was a whole video on their trip

to San Francisco and what I just gave you in the Discord is my uncle in the Pacific Ocean drift down to his tidy whitties to pee in the ocean still wearing socks and shoes on the beach. That's fantastic. How old he here? He's probably what? It's like five. He is five, yeah, four or five years old. Wow. Wow. That's great. Look, it looks like a bunch of, you know, the ocean's got a lot of fish pee in it. I think it's fine.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. How that can it be? But anyway, that's, you know, that's, you know, that's what's going on next weekend for me. So I can totally relate to a portion of what Wendy is going to be going through. Yeah. The four kid part, it's a lot. They're great kids, but it's probably surprised no one.

They're actually really wonderful children. But if you had to travel anywhere with a bunch of kids for any experience, or actually, I don't know if they're flying or driving. She didn't say, I assume driving because they're in, that's not too bad of a drive from where they live or from Massachusetts. It's just sort of go down,

you know, just like eight down and go. yeah it's not bad i would probably still yeah i would rather fly if it were me but i i guess she just didn't say um but anyway just uh there's a little piece of brian's uncle in the ocean is what we're getting at that's right um okay so uh quick thing here uh got a question for the weed people in the audience yeah i'm really curious about this this because i don't know the answer to i didn't even heard of this until yesterday so So, okay, at the smoke shops here in Salt Lake City, and there are a ton of them, vape shops, you know, that kind of stuff, they have, you know, weed, recreational weed is not, is not legal here.

And that's in the form of anything. Edibles, whatever, you can't do it. Medical or medicinal is fine. You know, prescription stuff. That happens all the time. And what's the other? Oh, and CBD and all that stuff's fine. That's all over the place, okay?

So that stuff's everywhere. However, like, full-on, you know, activated THC, that's not a thing you normally hear about. Well, yesterday I was presented with a little square gummy, and the package said, this just came from a local smoke shop, and the package said it is Delta 8 and Delta 9 THC. And that this is some sort of not full-blown THC active ingredient business, but some sort of dialed back, but still more potent. than nothing and more potent than CBD effects, but not full-blown THC. Right. I keep saying THC. You said you were presented with this.

Who presented you with this? So this is part of the long story. Oh, okay. All right. It's a long, long story. Let's say that we know, so Nick has a lifelong friend that lives here still. Uh-huh. And he's the one who recommended this.

Okay. Gotcha. All right. And that's all I'll say about that, because I think his mom listens to this. this show. Fair enough. So this little cube, I'm told if I had like a fourth of it

that it's super, it's really great, just a great thing. So my question is if it's oh, okay, we got Talley talking already. It's a variant that binds to your cannabinoid less efficiently than regular THC.

Why is it legal though? You know what I don't know? Because it is THC. It does contain some. Yeah. Let's see. Delta 8 is a cannabis compound that has become popular because of its similarity to Delta 9 THC, the main compound in cannabis that gets you high, causing euphoria, happiness, sedation, symptom relief, and much more. Okay.

The propensity to watch the entire catalog of Full House, for example. Interesting. So, and Jedi 71 says, I've had a few edibles and full-blown, didn't like it, felt bad the whole time. That seems to be everybody's experience one way or the other with, like, anything connected to this. somebody either, there's always somebody in the room who can't do it. It just disagrees with them. They can't deal with it. And then everybody else is high as a kite and feeling great, whether it's full-blown

pot or not. But I hadn't heard of this. And so when I was presented with this bag, I was immediately skeptical like, did you get this from a place or is this from some guy in Vegas brought this up? Or, you know, I don't know what this is. and so so Kim tried a little cube of it last night she goes I'll be the guinea pig I don't care

wow I know she's very daring she doesn't usually care about this stuff at all I know I'll do a little corner Kim Kim wasted no time when we were in Vegas years ago for a TMS Vegas or a meetup or something sampling my boozy Captain Crunch milkshake I know she was right on it dude like

would you I barely got the words would anyone like to try yes It can have it out of my hands and in her mouth before I can even finish the sense. She's an adventurous one when it comes to that sort of thing. So she took this little cube and got in the bath just to fill out. Okay. And then she, and I said, so, you feel anything? She goes, no, but I do.

I am trying to think of stressful things and my brain's not allowing me to be stressful. So maybe that. Oh, interesting. Okay. So, I don't know. All I know is it's this new idea to me and I don't know nothing about it. Yeah, I like the way Talley. described it um the second time it's a very no no where is it uh she said it's like here we go it's

like you took regular THC and greased it so it can't grab your cells as easily oh interesting it's just a little looser which explains the inefficient right exactly it's like but it feels like is it a cheat like do people know like lawfully I guess I guess I always come around to this because I'm I don't know why it's a big deal for me I'm just a big deal I have a I'm thinking about laws. I like to follow laws, all right? I don't break them. So when something becomes legal, I'm like, all right, well, let's let's have a look. And I don't know how this one's scooched under the whatever the line is, right? Right, yes. So anyway, if it did, right? It's certainly possible that this was procured somewhere else and brought to Utah. Oh, as J.C. Cahun says,

it looks like it's so low potency that it's technically considered hemp, which is legal. But I also, I also have very, like the rate says, I tend to have very strong reaction to everything. Yeah, yeah, right. Give me a Tylenol, and I'm going to, well, actually, Tylenol does approximately nothing to me. But, you know, give me half of what a normal dose is for anyone else, and that is all I'll ever need. Yeah, and I would even say, if you do decide to try this, do like a quarter, and don't say, oh, hour later or half an hour later I'm not feeling anything I guess I'll do another quarter because that's when the first quarter will kick in yeah yeah yeah so I'm not gonna do like a full cube that'd be insane yeah it's like we have a restaurant here called the Rio Grande Mexican restaurant start in Boulder famous for their three margarita limit you cannot you can't have more than three of their margaritas by by their restaurant rules they even like you know one of their logos is a circle slash with a margarita with a three on it and um uh the trick with those is that you drink

the first one you're like oh well that wasn't so so much well let me order a second one and then by the time the second one arrives you are fully feeling the first margarita yeah so let me ask you this though yeah at a normal place is it unending margaritas like is that is that a weird yeah they'll serve you until until you're done okay until you don't want anymore yeah Okay. And they're thinking is what, like, we don't want you to be a psycho in a restaurant. Right, pretty much. Yes. We know that these things are potent. We don't want, we don't want any trouble, sir. Yeah. My former boss, though, whose name I won't mention because you'll bring up a Rihanna thing that upsets people.

I will not bring it up. Not even once. I am so, I learned my lesson. I will never bring up that thing ever again. That reference is gone, except for this time where you brought it up. But, yes, I will never bring it up. So he said, well, here's what you do. You, when you go to the restaurant, you start off in the bar. And you have a margarita there. Maybe you order your second one there. Then get your name on the list for a table. Get your third margarita.

Take it to the table. And then when they, after you finish that one, they come around and say, you know, can I get you anything? So, oh, I'll take another margarita. And they bring you your, you bring your fourth one at that point. Right. And then when they come around and say, working, can we get anything for anybody else? He say, well, I've won another margarita, but I know you guys have a two margarita limit.

Yeah. And then the waitress or the server says, oh, no, it's a three margarita limit. It's like, oh, well, in that case, bring me my third margarita. And by that time, you've had five. Yeah, and by then you're like, you're a slobbering mess. Yeah, we did this. So we'd have a training session every month for the newspaper software company I worked for. and Wednesday night was always take our customers out to the Rio

because we had a very light day on Thursday for training. It was a half day. And I came in the Thursday morning after he explained that whole process of how you get more margaritas at the Rio Grande. And he's sitting there with his head on his desk, arms folded. And I say, oh, man, you okay? He says, you know, they've got a three margarita limit. I don't know why they don't enforce that.

Yeah, having the rule and enforcing it is two very different things. Right, exactly. Yeah, better follow up on that. All right, well, speaking of science and Delta 8s and 9s and all that. Right, right. We're going to bring in our pal Bobby for his Thursday appearance as our science expert. Science guy, Bobby. That's right.

Let's roll him in here and talk about how cool science is. I think science is cool. I do, too. It's pretty cool. And joining us now as a real cool dude with a whole lot of hair, we're all jealous of. It's Bobby Frankenberger, joining us, as he always does, every Thursday, all the way from the deep American South. Welcome back, Bobby. Deep in the American South, we can, we're in the part of the country where we just cannot get half of our people that.

Colorado's the same way. What's going on with you guys? You guys are going to, you got plans for that? You're going to do the lottery thing, or what's the plan down there? we don't have a plan well that's no good that'd be great if you had a plan but it sounds like the plan is what the government does

and we want the government to be smaller Scott I see well you got that Lindsey Graham he's a real sharp stick get him involved he'll make it happen yeah we're just yeah I'm going to stop before I get myself in trouble well it's a wise thing to do all right poo poo oh whoops that's you

saying poo poo I'm going to figure how to integrate that into your intro Anyway, hey, Bobby, let's get into it. We're not talking about cannabis or any of that stuff today. Instead, we are going to talk about the ways that we might be paying for said cannabis in the future, that being all this cryptocurrency business. You've been doing a lot of studying, and I'm curious about what you've found, because it's still a bit of a mystery box for me, as much as I've tried to understand it, learn it, got my head around, you know, how the blockchain actually functions and works, and then new things get thrown in like NFTs and, and, you know, how those work and yeah and there's you know there's all this like oh i don't know if you guys saw this oh my gosh the youtube version of the rick roll oh man okay so the rick assley video yeah never gonna be me that whole thing yeah i don't know why i'm explaining it everyone knows what rickrull is please i've never heard of explain it to us yeah but on if you go to either his official site or anywhere on there on youtube below the video it says um

This video is not here for much longer, whatever the language is. It's going to be gone soon. It is being auctioned off as an NFT and will no longer be on YouTube. This happened already with that kid. Charlie bit my finger. Yeah, I went for like 800 grand or something. That photo that became a meme of the little girl looking back at the camera with kind of a devious smile on her face. In background, the house is on fire.

Yeah, yeah. That paid for her college, I hear. Yeah. They sold that as an MFT and that took care of her college. It paid for all of her college bills and her debt. Right. Now, here's the weird bit. Like, that video is everywhere.

Like, I've got a copy somewhere as an AVI, I think, in a hard drive. It's not like this removal from YouTube means it's gone forever. It just, I don't know what it actually means. So this is where I get back into the weeds. Yeah. And I don't, I don't, I don't understand. Where you get back into the weed, like we were talking about. matter. Well, part of my problem is I just see it as like kind of psycho and ridiculous.

Like I just see it and go, what are we doing? Like, do we really have that kind of, whether it's tied up in crypto or not, we have this kind of money to just throw it stuff that actually isn't really yours. I mean, it is, but it isn't. Like, you can claim that you're on the blockchain as the person who owns, never going to give you up or whatever. You own the Rickroll. But so what? Everybody can see it anytime and it's everywhere. even if YouTube takes down his version, there's going to be 800 others. Like, I don't understand this part of it. This part gives me gas.

So, it's hard because we want to, like, I think a lot of people get confused or have trouble wrapping their heads around it because their brains are trying to understand it, but they're also getting caught up in all this hype that's around NFTs and, and, and stuff. And that makes it hard because whenever there's hype, there's always people, myself included, who want to push back against it. That's just in a lot of our nature, right? We don't like hype. But NFTs, they actually do serve a purpose. And so you said, like, what does it matter, right? But you could ask the same question about what does it matter if you own an original Rembrandt, the actual canvas that was painted by Rembrandt.

himself when you could just get a print of it on canvas and even with 3D printer technology maybe it like looks like it has the the oil paints or whatever with on there and or or if you have a a manufactured in a lab diamond versus one that came out of the ground what's what's it matter if they're both you know molecularly identical right what matters is that we as people place importance on these this sort of like magical property of it being somehow historically or geologically in the case of diamond significant right even though there really is no difference um and so museums art museums for example take advantage of that significance that we I don't mean to say they take advantage in the sense

that they're like somehow being nefarious or taking advantage of us. But they also exist because of our human desire or importance that we place on the original of a thing. And the reason that NFTs were created in the first place or the idea of an NFT being used for a work of art, at work of digital art, was that, I don't know if you've ever noticed, but in art museums, You don't have a lot of digital art that's there. And as an artist yourself, Scott, you might be able to appreciate the fact that a lot of similar, if not the same work and effort and artistic talent goes into making a digital piece of art

as it does on a piece of canvas. It's not like they don't belong in a museum. So how do you do that? How does the way a museum is the reason a museum exists to have that, original piece of art is because we can look at it and say it's been authenticated and everything and we can say that is an original the original thing you know yeah yeah that is the mona lisa the mona lisa is always the thing that's that's used as sort of an example in the nptu world that is the mona lisa right we know that right and so this makes it possible for collectors and traders

and museums to actually have a piece of digital art and be able to say this is the file this is the digital work that was created by the creator it doesn't we don't really care if you can copy it just like we don't care if you take a really high fidelity copy of a piece of art and put it in your living room so um but we know where the original is that's the that's conceptually why nfts exist as a thing at least in the in the art world well even even outside digital is that's the conceptually why nfts exist as a thing at least in the art world well even even outside digital art. Like there's, you can make NFTs for all sorts of things. Yeah. And I get, so that part I do get, um, you know, you can, you can point to it say, hey, here's the original. But right. There's a, there's a real argument to be made that the video that Rick Astley uploaded to his YouTube channel is not the original. It's a copy of the video that he got from someplace else because he's not digitizing the masters that were taken the day the thing was filmed and they went and made his music video.

and put it on MTV, like all of that stuff is either lost to time or too complicated to find all the original stuff. So all the value of his video is this is the one that I posted on my YouTube channel. And if that's worth, you know, almost a million dollars, that's where I start to lose my mind. Because it's, how is it worth almost a million dollars? I guess worth is relative. And if you bought Ethereum back in the day when it was worth nothing and now it's worth millions and it just seems like nothing to you to pass it around and spend it on things, I guess that makes sort of sense, too? This isn't real dollars in that case?

The value question is a different question. The value of anything is just what people are willing to pay for it, right? But I think you make a really good point about NFTs when you're talking about things that were made a long time ago. Like, I would love to have an NFT of, like, the very first, like, the

hamster dance that was created. You know, like, wouldn't that be awesome but how would you know because it was made so long ago just like the the Rick roll it was made so long ago um before this technology even existed there's no real way to authenticate that that was made by the person who made it right right um but things that are made now you certainly can um using this blockchain technology and and hard cryptography you know but I think that that's a danger for digital artists too and why this hype might be building it I think it certainly is growing a bubble that will soon collapse and who knows if NFTs as a technology will survive that collapse I think it will because there's still people that like I said museums and collectors that do want this for their legitimate reasons but there are people that are going around and like I said museums and collectors that that do want this for their legitimate reasons but there are people that are going around and like, and sniping people's digital art off of Twitter and turning it into an NFTs and

NFT and claiming it as their own. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a problem. This thing is rife.

This is rife with, uh, with that crap with like, you know, false stuff. And this is a reason why it, it might, like, like we say like, oh, people are just making these NFTs because they want to just get rich off the speculation of the technology right now. But that is a reason for artists like yourself to maybe get NFTs made of all of their digital art so that right from the get-go, you can authenticate it. Maybe you're not trying to get rich. Just to beat people to do it. Right. It's like locking down the domain name of your name before somebody else does it.

Yeah. Because if you can create the NFT, then you can point to it and say, this is my, like, look, I have the receipts. This is mine. But do I do an NFT of the original Photoshop file with all of its layers? Because that's technically the most original piece of that art. Do I NFT the napkin, take a photo of the napkin? I scribbled my idea on before I decided to go full-blown with it. And now that's the...

Like, that's my problem with this, is it's so... Technically, every pixel on the Internet is NFTable. Every single pixel, which is in the trillions upon trillions of pixels available. to you, you could go, hey, here on archive.org, we've got the old AOL site. And in the far bottom corner, there's a single pixel, one by one pixel. We're going to NFT that for $5,000. Like, it's a weird effing thing. Because it's not just art that people are NFTE. They're NFTing. Like I said, like somebody was NFTing the monkey, the animated monkey banner, punch the monkey banner. Remember that thing from years ago? Really? Yeah.

That kind of stuff is weird And also, by the way, if you own the Mona Lisa And the lights go out and the power goes off You still own the Mona Lisa If you own an NFT and the power grid dies And the servers go down Or somebody bombs a server farm And your stuff's not properly

You know, propagated across multiple locations. You don't own shit And you just spend your Ethereum on nothing. That's the whole point though Is that that situation you just described is not likely to happen. Like everything, globally,

all the computers that are connected to the blockchain network would have to go down at the same time because the blockchain is designed to be distributed,

be persistent, and be non-centralized so that it's protected in that way. That's one of the benefits of the blockchain. Yeah. Well,

chat room, Mushpetio says, yes, Scott, but your house burns down and then you don't own the Mona Lisa anymore. No, I got out with it. I held it under my arm. I ran out to my car.

It's okay. It's good. I got it still. I kept it. And also, you've got that NFT on a computer with the generator, a little portable battery pack. Yeah. I mean, take it from somebody who, you know, somebody did put up my, um, uh, a blue

prophecy print, the one with the big giant, blue shell. The shell. Somebody took a digital version of that and put it on an NFT auction site. I found it. contacted the site or someone found it told me about it I contacted the site they immediately took it down that was great I was happy that they did that however that just that was just the weirdest thing I'm like are you kidding me and they were only asking like 0.085 whatever Ethereum and I did the math and it was still like three

four hundred dollars yeah for this for this yeah and you're lucky you're lucky that they worked with you on that yeah a lot of them there's no guarantee that they would have And if they hadn't worked with you on it, then you'd just been screwed. Right. Yeah. So early on in this process. And now I have a strike on my account on the NFT auction site. Thanks a lot.

Oh, yeah, shoot. I forgot. Maybe it's Brian and I just never thought about it. But like, you know, like I understand the temptation, especially for a lot of artists who have some notoriety on the internet to say, I'm getting in on this. I'm going to get in there and sell my stuff. It's like such a low barrier to entry. But I know some have gotten screwed. like the fees they ended up having to pay because the value of Ethereum dropped sharply

in the five minutes that they did the transaction. Oh yeah. And now they're like they're actually paying out to get the thing taken care of and done. I talked to somebody who was somewhere in like two grand in the hole from an Ethereum drop. I keep bringing up Ethereum because that's the prominent cryptocurrency that's used to exchange for NFTs right now. There's others, but that's the main one. And he was out too grand.

There's nothing to do about it. And it's because he had to do, he had to complete the transaction in a certain amount of time because they have limits on that stuff of these auction sites. So he couldn't put it off until Ethereum went back up

where he needed it. That stuff's just, it's just right. I realize that that's kind of a right now problem. It's just kind of effed, you know? But that's the hard thing is it's hard for us to, right now the speculation around NFTs,

cryptocurrency, all the, all the speculation. When I say speculation, I mean like in the, in the trading and trying to make a dollar by trading it and selling it at a higher price, that type of speculation. Yeah, speculative trading or whatever. Yes, and that speculation is poisoning the well in terms of people being able to understand and accept the legitimate uses for these technologies that are very important and are ripe to really revolution. a lot of industries and I'm not talking about cryptocurrency

I don't think I don't even know if cryptocurrencies are a thing but but the blockchain technology that backs all of these things NFTs cryptocurrencies that is that is a technology

that is truly in my opinion going to revolutionize every type of of trade in the next maybe decade

two decades I agree I agree with that like the blockchain The blockchain is huge. Yeah, the concept of the blockchain, if anything, it's almost like a return to why the internet needed to be this distribution of data. Yeah.

Creating its own self-sustaining backup, right? It's like this is the fruition of that. And it will be enormous in all sorts of trade, interaction, verification. Like, there's no denying that. but in these early freaking cowboy days everybody's trying to figure out how to put their wiener in it you know what I mean yeah yeah no kidding I'm gonna put my wiener in it

have you have you guys talked I don't want to talk explain it if it's been explained before but have you or your listeners do talked about blockchain and and why what it is even yeah with Tom yeah that's what I thought Tom I think has talked about yeah we've gone into pretty good depth with him in an item yeah yeah I just I hate it when I'm taught

listening to a podcast and Like, they're talking about something, and it feels like I was left out of the room because they don't want to explain it. So I wanted to. No, that's a good. It's a fair. It's a fair question. I mean, basically, that's, I feel like we've gotten to this stage where we now get that much of it. And then we bumped up against NFTs and went, oh, new info here.

New, uh, new language to learn. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so the point of NFTs is just that, um, so cryptocurrency, also black backed by the, the blockchain, um, That is fungible, meaning that it doesn't matter, like, it's all the same. This Bitcoin is the same as that Bitcoin, but the NFTs are utilizing the ledger of blockchain to verify when it's traded, to trade things that are unique. And this is where the disconnect happens in people's brains, I guess, is like, how is a digital piece of art actually unique? Well, that's, you put a crypto code on it to make it unique.

And then it is unique because it's got embedded in the file. It's got this unique code that says you were the one who made it. The other fun thing about this, the other part that a lot of people don't know about, not fun thing. That's kind of horrible. But there's a real serious cultural battle happening between artists and creators who are jumping on this bandwagon and going full. crypto bro with it and those who are not and who are adamantly opposed to doing it for lots of reasons there's the still you know being studied environmental costs overall of what these transactions mean that's a reason for a lot of people a lot of folks and none of these are

mutually exclusive they might be overlapping but some people I just think it's skeezy and don't want to do this with their stuff they feel like it's just like this weird get rich fast sort of scheme and that it feels just dirty. But for whatever their reasons are, there are these factions and they've really bumped heads, like in common places where they used to be a lot of sort of collaboration and discussion,

be it Reddit threads for artists or you know, different forums and that sort of thing. They're freaking at war right now. It's ugly. And that's why I early on went, ooh, I'm going to back up and just sort of stay right about here. Watch it

happen because I don't want to, you know, Does $1,000 for a crappy sketch I did once sound intriguing? Of course it does. Who would that not sound intriguing for? But it does feel skeezy. I don't know why it feels skeezy. It just does. It feels weird.

It's because of everyone who's trying to take advantage of it. And I think on all of those factions that you're describing, all the people on the extreme ends of that probably don't really understand it. Yeah. And if you take the time to sit down and understand what it's for, why it exists. exists, you can get past that knee-jerk, you know, old man resistance to change. And, you know, I would like it when I made all my art with brushes. I held my teeth.

And, and it's, I mean, when digital art, I'm sure you remember when digital art became a thing. Everybody was. Of course. Yeah, bandwagon, Hoy. I mean, it was a slower process. That's the other thing. these shifts in technology tend to be slower and not so overnight and when they're not then you you glom on slower and easier and you know things just sort of fit into place and

and you just sort of get to your destination before you know what you're there but in this case it's it is kind of overnight in the in the larger scale of things you know what I mean I think you're right there probably is an aspect of whiplash uh involved here that's it that's basically it um I want to I think here's what I want to know should we NFT, this thing that Brian said once. Here we go. Right here. Okay. Now, that little him saying. Yeah, there we go. That's a good. We should get a fair price for that one.

Yeah. I think, you know, like, I don't know, what, two, three grand or something for Brian saying, yeah. And then the question is, since I have the original file and I recorded it, do I get the money? Does Brian get the money? Do we have to split it? What are the rules? Right. How do I know someone did you forfeit it? How much of that work was mine?

How much of that work was yours? Yeah. Well, it's funny that you say that because these are like really good questions. That's why I'm bringing it up because I really do think this, the minutia. Seriously, the Cheetah thing could be NFTed. You know, the Cheetah discussion. Yeah, it could. And then do we owe the people at freaking Cheetos of Free Delay? Do we owe them money? Like, I don't know.

NFT, the audio of when Brian had to take his headphones off. And go throw up. Exactly. That's 100% his creation. We don't have to give share any of that anyone else. But like my, let's say somebody had successfully pirated my blue shell drawing and sold it. Does Nintendo have anything to say about it? Because all that stuff is inspired by previous work that Nintendo did. Like that there's so many complicated things. I guarantee you they try. If it's sold for a lot, they'd certainly have somebody step in and get involved. They're pretty. The law definitely needs to catch up. That's for sure. But that's all

part of this whiplash problem. Nobody's, it's, it's, it's, there hasn't been enough time for everyone to fully understand what all this means, but I mean, I mean, digital artists with NFTs could stand to be able to have a more reliable way to make money off of selling their art. I'm sure you, I'm sure you've dealt with how difficult it can be to, to sell, make money off of digital art. I mean, you have a, you have more of a following now, so maybe it's not as much of a problem anymore, but at the beginning, you know. Well, most of it comes down to the old-fashioned way of like let's you know make a physical version of it

like we're still printing prints and maybe even limited prints and it's even me numbering them and saying hey there's only 10 of these and they'll only ever be one of 10 or two of 10 or three of 10 and that's it and that's the old that's the old NFT basically you know limited prints but I don't have any way

to verify that for all anyone knows I printed 800 more and they're sitting over there they don't know so I know something I can tell you that'll make you hate NFTs forever yeah great God okay great Logan Paul made an NFT of himself as a Pokemon card

Great Yeah you're right How did he sell for? Oh geez I think it was maybe tens of thousands of dollars He did it he's he NFTed a video of himself That sold for like hundreds of thousands of dollars

Did he give any of that to charity And if not then F him and he can go take a dump on himself I mean I don't know but I'm sure I can guess. Okay. Yeah. Great. Great. Probably fair. Fair guess. Say no. Didn't he just box this week or is I, do I have that my head wrong?

Is that this week he was fighting? Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. Okay. I missed it. Really? I missed it. Yeah. And didn't Holyfield just. And lasted eight rounds or something? I can't remember. He wrecked him, right? Didn't he just get wrecked? I don't know how it went.

I don't know. Floyd Mayweather. That's right. That's right. Not Holyfield. I hope you got. Eight rounds sounds like a long time. It does sound like a long time. Is that right? Hold on. Slucko was there. What? What?

How did it, how'd it go? Oh, he worked there. Wow, okay. Against Logan Paul sold one million. It was this last weekend. God, I thought it was, I thought it was Mayweather, you old guys. Yeah. Oh, no, it ended up, they didn't have a knockout.

So I guess I don't know what that means. They have to do it by score. I've seen enough boxing movies. I should know this. Right. All right, but see then, so, okay, here's a funny thing to say. You were brought, we all were talking about Logan Paul. We're talking about the fight and blah, blah, blah.

I look at this duck, dot go image search of all of the images taken of their fight. And there's hundreds, maybe thousands of these. Each and every single one of these images and each and every single one of the pixels that make up these images potentially could be NFTed. So what I'm saying is at some point we're going to NFT everything and then nothing's NFT. You know what I'm saying? Like, if everything's NFT, then nothing is. Then we're just, what are we even doing? And we just, what's the point?

At the end of the day, you're making a bunch of money on the front end. And by the back end, everybody can NFT everything. And they'll probably come up with a way to just NFT automatically. Like, Logan Paul took a photo. It's immediately sent it to the cloud and NFTed itself. The word NFT or the initialism NFT just got NFT. Yeah. I could make a, dude, I could take a pen my iPad right now and write NFC.

and sell that as an NFT. But, you know, you're not going to want to. It's like when label makers first came out and you labeled everything in your house. Like, that, people are going to calm down eventually. Yeah, it'll find its equal. I mean, the truth is the reason that it's not, the reason that it's so speculative and lucrative for some in some corners of it is because it's not a widespread thing.

If it was, it wouldn't be that way. If everybody was doing NFTs, the value would go down. it's a supply and demand thing and if the supply is you know the tip of the spear very popular artist I don't know let's say Drew Struzen says you know I'm going to give you my original Star Wars

mock up as an NFT that would generate a ton of stuff you know somebody like Alex Ross or you know a big comic artist who everyone knows and loves if they did it it would cause a huge stink but then there's a billion artists who aren't doing any of this and if they all were

then it wouldn't be wouldn't then it's no big deal that Alex Ross does You don't understand what I'm saying? Because then everyone's doing it. I don't know. It's all very weird, but I love talking about stuff like this because it's existential and strange. And we live in strange times. So having Bobby here to help make sense of it is a good time indeed.

Bobby, anything else going on on your podcast or anything else you want to mention to people? Well, you can, my podcast is called All Around Science. So we talk about stuff like this. In fact, the reason that this even came up is that I'm doing a ton of research. right now to talk about that question that you briefly brought up, which is the environmental impact of cryptocurrency and NFTs and just mining on the blockchain and everything. There's been a lot of talk about what is the carbon footprint of all that. And when everybody starts panicking about complicated issues like that, my sort of like

sciencey skeptical brain like red flags go up and I'm like, well, maybe it's more. complicated than it really seems and so I've been digging in really deep to to answer that question and and we're going to have a two-part feature that I'm going to be doing part one is just going to be talking about cryptocurrency and what it is and how it works in very technical detail so if you've ever wanted to know coming this Monday the episode is going to be coming out where I I talk about what is a cryptocurrency what is Bitcoin what is the blockchain how does it work why does it work and I'm going to

to break it down in the way that I do and very easy to understand and then part two is going to be on a later episode what is uh is it actually causing the the globe to warm or is it more complicated than that my guess is it's more complicated than that if I had to guess but I but I love it usually is but yeah that's on all around science is the podcast you can find me talking about science anywhere you find podcast go check it out and also just one final note uh forgot what I was going to say. Now, I don't remember. It was going to say, oh, I was going to say, and meanwhile, I will Luddite my way over to my 3080 and use it for video games and not for mining Bitcoin. All right. Pooh-pooh. Yeah, poo-poo on me. All right. That was good. A rousing discussion. Yes.

Happened there. We just sold it too. I just put it up for auction and. Oh, good. The whole, that whole segment. Great. The whole, the whole segment. Right. I guess, I really do think we're headed toward time where you could real time do that. but then we'll start to all ask ourselves why. Yeah, it's going to be, there's just going to be such a glut that nobody's going to want to buy any of it. Exactly. You know, it's popular now because only a few people are doing it. Yeah, it's crazy.

Once everybody's doing, it's going to suck. That's right. Oh, the P squared says today's free epic store game is control. That's an amazing game. Oh, that's a really good game. That was last month's PS Plus free game. Oh, they've been doing the freebie rounds, have they? Interesting.

It's a very good game. I already owned it, sadly, so the free isn't really help me. I remember watching you play a little bit of on the stream. It's really cool. It's really nice. If you've got a good video card, too, it'll blow you. Now, that's one that I didn't have time to play, but I knew it would be gone in a month from PS Plus,

so I downloaded it. So it's very different from the shrink wrap games. Well done. Well done. I'm pretty sure the version, I don't know how the PS5 does it. I know the next-gen version of that game is way better a frame rate and stuff. So if you played it on your PS5, you should probably be pretty, happy with it. I'll bet. Yeah, I haven't played it yet. Still working Valhalla, but

working it. Working it. Working it. All right. That's it for the show. We're done today. Now, I told you we'd be early because Wendy's not here, A and B, I got to get ready for the Games Fest stream today. I forgot, I forget this whole weekend is basically E3 or versions of what E3 is. Right. And every year it Fs me up. So, anyway, stick around because today at 11, me and John Jagger will be doing the Games Fest coverage. We'll do a live talkover commentary piece of business there. Those will go up on the audio

feeds as well. And what else? So all weekend there's stuff. There's the Microsoft. It's probably going to affect TMSPM, yeah? Don't know for sure, because I don't know if there's anything during that time that matters. I think it's all crap stuff then. So the main stuff, the really big

stuff happens today and then really Sunday. Sunday is when we finally see the Switch Pro. Yeah, we might actually. Who knows? That's their direct, Nintendo Direct Day, but also you get your Microsoft Bethesda presentation in the morning. Then Sony's not there this year at all.

They're not doing anything. They're doing the Apple thing and just saying, we'll do our own deal. You three, you go ahead and just have your little party without us. It's a little weird because Microsoft is also doing their own deal, but they're also doing this. I don't know. I feel like they should do that.

But anyway, there'll be lots of coverage. This rolls all the way up through Monday, various different things, and we're going to do as much as we can. Bo will be here for some of the weekend stuff. So anyway, there's all the plan for that, and as early as today, you'll catch some of that coverage.

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Brian will now play a song, and you'll listen to it, damn it. I will, but before, that, I'm going to tell you that there is a Coverville today, and because of the same thing that, that, you know, has been pushing Coverville around, like a bully at school, like the, like the jocks pushing around the nerds, it's pushing the show around again today. But I'm going to do Coverville really shortly after TMS ends today. So just stick around. And I'll have my pre-stream up as I get things ready for that. But today on the show,

music from Cole Porter or covers of songs from Cole Porter and from Tony Levin if you're saying yourself Cole Porter is that that old timey guy well yeah it is he would have been 130 years old but you're gonna hear stuff from Dee Snyder Brian Ferry of Roxy music Iggy Pop seal all that and then Tony Levin is a Chapman Stick player bass player who is played with Peter Gabriel for every single one of Peter

Gabriel's albums, King Crimson. So you're going to hear covers that contain Tony Levin and also covers of some Peter Gabriel's stuff and King Crimson stuff that he would have been on the original versions of. So there you go. Nice. Very, very nice. There you go.

All right. Let's get to a request here. This one comes to us from Jim from California. It says, Good Day Street and Boulevard. On Thursday, June 10th, I'll be driving with my son Alex in California, or two, California State University, Chico, to clean and be. move out his apartment and check out his new apartment. We have about a 375 mile total drive ahead of us. While he just turned 20 this past weekend, the long drive is no big deal.

I'm in my mid-50s and spending six hours in the car and moving furniture around sounds like torture. Alex did a great job during his second year in college, and I'm proud of the hard work he put in. With that, I'm requesting an upbeat driving song, possibly from the 80s, as Alex likes that era music. For his 20th birthday, he saw a queen cover band. Thank you. Signed Jim from California. P.S. Is the time too far along for a poultry-based gluten-covered mobile food source? The Tendacus Bacon, Cheddar, Ranch. I like that he gave it so many words because I intuited it and found it before you finished. You did a great job of figuring out what it was going to be. Nicely done. All right. This one is, this one is a great driving song. It straddles the line. It's a 90s cover of a 70s song, so this one didn't come out in the 80s. However, it's got.

such a huge 80s feel to it. The song is Steppenwolf's Born to Be Wild, a great driving song. Covered by Tomoyasu Hothai, the Japanese guitarist that is up there for me with folks like Stevie Ray Vaughn and Carlos Santana just with his guitar prowess.

So good. Here's Tomoyasu Houtai with Born to Be Wild. Sweet. We'll see patrons tomorrow for PM, unless something's weird. I don't think so, though. And then we'll see you Monday for a whole new freaking week. of TMS, film sack this weekend.

We're doing Alien, so check that out. And there will be Dungeons on Saturday. Way too much stuff. Too much stuff. So much stuff. We'll see you next time. Born to be why.

Born to be why. Get your money Lurdy And I want to hide me Looking for a banter And whenever it comes away Your head's out and then Make it happen

Take the world in the round and base Throw you out of the games It was something Explority just face I'll expect lightning hit the

thunder racing with the wind and a reminder yeah time don't make it happen take the hole in the

rabbit and race for you're out of it comes of a person it's born into space with the truth nature's job We're born

Born to be wild We can cry so high And then I When I'm going to die Born to be right Born to be right Born to be right You know, I'm going to be able to be.

Get your morning And I want to hire me And I want to hide me Looking for a manger And the river comes away Yeah Time don't make it happen Take the world in the robin place

Fire out of the cancer When you're exploring to space Like the true Nature's tribe We don't burn burn it in the life We can cry so high And I put a die Born to be wild

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