The Morning Stream - TMS 2135: Preparation Level H

Episode Date: June 24, 2021

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It's the morning stream for Thursday, June 24th, 2021. I'm Scott Johnson with Brian Abbott. Hi, Brian. Hi, Scott Johnson. How are you? Hey, man, I'm all right. I got. uh it's too much going on right now i need a i need a vacation i know i just kind of had one but

it was short and now i want one again well you're getting you're doing the it's going to be far from a vacation but you've got family union coming up yeah next week so next thursday through sunday i think we're doing a thing in park city it's a lot like what you guys did except not so much in the mountains but oh so we need to figure out a tv or a film sack situation don't we yeah yeah i think i haven't There's been so much going on. I think I haven't actually thought that far ahead, but now I have to. We've been planning around all my BS for such a long time. We forgot to check anybody else's BS.

We might actually just take a knee that week. I don't know. Yeah, I think we're going to have to because... I don't know when else to do it. Sunday we've got... We're not recording toys and something else on Sunday with this short notice. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I think we'll probably just, we'll just do a buy.

Was that what they call it, a buy? A buy. Take a bye week. Yeah, that's what the story. pod fading there that was the first one to say it so now nobody else needs to yeah no one else say pod fading brian beat you to it yep i'm very excited about park city because i love it there and it's always cooler there than it is down here also we got rain today and it's only going to be 72 today so what's going on it was like a oven yesterday that's all that stuff is coming i'm waiting to see what kind of rain you get because that stuff is coming uh to us tomorrow and saturday oh the ride day

the ride day yes it's very misty like a nice misty rain that's good okay I like that I like that I'm gonna put on a windbreaker I've decided my layering situation is going to be long bicycle pants

yeah tight do you count the tank butter as a layer as a layer it is a layer it is a layer it's a thinly spread layer I'll put on the chode then a for my top situation, I'm wearing a

Captain America long sleeve compression shirt. Oh, good idea. Good. Then on top of that, our jersey, our team jersey. Any concern of, you got any nipple friction issues you're worried about or any of that? That's usually runners, right? That's a runner's right? It's runners, yeah. I don't have to worry about it with my Captain America.

You know, and you're pretty much leaning forward, so this area kind of is loose against your chest. Gotcha. Um, the, uh, and then on top of the jersey, team jersey, I'll have a windbreaker slash rain poncho. Like a poncho unit. But I'll, I'll have that in my bag. I'm not sure I'm going to wear it because, uh, I don't need that extra drag. I'd rather get a little, a little rain on me. A little rain on you is no problem.

A little rain on me, just, just thinking if I'm deciding if I'm going to sing the Lady Gaga Ariana Grande hit or if I'm just going to, Yeah, I will. Rain, rain, rain, on, on me. Me, me, me. There we go. There you go. I never had to. Okay, anyway.

So I'll have the, I'll have the poncho with me. But there's so many decisions I'm still trying to make about if I'm going to discord and stream. This is turning into a problem, the iPhone SE. I don't, I'm not going to be able to use this. Oh. For anything, because this thing is so old. Battery life on it is. It just drains even without me doing anything on it.

And I need my battery pack for my main phone, which is going to be having speed, distance, the route information. Sure. But also, isn't it, well, I guess you could do it. You could just, like that phone needs service of some sort, right? What would you do with that? Right, right. I mean, so here, like, one of my options is doing the chest-mounted GoPro. And not having that streaming or anything like that, just recording.

So I'll have the ride in recorded digital form. Sure. And then having this phone, my main phone, be hooked up to Discord, sadly it will just be looking at me. It won't be looking at where I'm going. It won't be showing the ride. Or I use this phone as my mount on my chest. Like, I've got a phone chest mount.

Yeah. Like Iron Man. You'd be like Iron Man. I'll be like Iron Man. Instead of an Arc Reactor, it's an iPhone 12 plus or whatever, max or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah. And, but then I won't have a screen to look at to see distance or speed or anything like that, which might be okay. I might be all right with that.

I mean, does that data help you? Like, last time you did this, did it matter to have that info? No. It didn't. It didn't. I don't, there are times that I really like seeing, like, how fast I'm going. But there are other times that I look down and say, oh, my God, I've only gone 18 miles and how many, I'm not even a third of the way through this thing and blah, blah, blah. So, so maybe me not saying it is a good thing.

And maybe me, like, chatting with people in Discord while I do it. And them seeing the right itself is a good thing. Yeah, maybe that'd be all right. I think you're going to pass more time by being, you know, chatty and having that interaction. I think so, too. I think so, too. here's the other problem though I won't have a way to mute

for when I'm like going uphill so they're going to hear it's going to sound like an obscene phone call for a little while while I'm on Discord oh man yeah no I get that every night at about 10 p.m. Brian calls me and does that so I'm used to it. Hey what are you wearing frog pants shirt?

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check out our only fans everybody we're that's right our only fans yeah pretty excited so that might be the way to do it now I do also have

an iPod touch and I've actually moved all the music all my playlist stuff over here oh you could tether that couldn't you

I could tether this and actually use this as just use this like use my phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot and use this as my route and stuff like that. Yeah, just like a secondary screen basically.

Exactly, yep. Yeah. Yep. I love how much work you're putting into this part of this. I love it. I know. Well, it's 78 miles. And I don't think of like,

you know, it's like a little kid who's going on a road trip. The mom and dad are like, all right, do you have books? Do you have crayons? Do you have something to color in? Do you have a game? What if you run out of batteries in your game?

Do you have something to recharge your game? What about if you get tired of that game? Do you have more games? Yeah. Do you bring all your DVD movies to put on the backseat screen or whatever you used to get at Costco? Yeah. I'm with you, man. When we were in a gift shop, I'm going to blow your mind here.

When we were in a gift shop in Glenwood Springs this last weekend, they still sell those bingo cards that have the clear red slider. you remember those like it's like here is a thing that has not seen any sort of evolution in 50 years at least yeah why is that

that's weird now that you think I think about I think I've seen these two and they're always on the road somewhere some kind of gift shop or stop

you know gas station yeah looking here trying to find a picture over the chat so they know what we're talking about but yeah

yeah we were using those when we were kids right they had two different kinds they had one that was like things you see on the side of the highway so like a silo

a police car a telephone pole things like that and then there's another one that was all states and there it is right there pops and recline found one how do you find that's like a number bingo I don't even know what you do you do that with license plate numbers or something

anyway another was one with license plate states so you'd say all right let's go you know, oh, there's Illinois. All right, let's mark that one off. Oh, yeah, these are, I'm finding a lot of number ones. I don't remember the number ones, but

you and I have were just basic, basic ask bingo back in the day. With letters on them. I don't know what these numbers are about. I will admit, though, I am kind of hooked on the My Vegas bingo app for earning points towards my hotel stays and stuff.

They built that for you, by the way. You know they did. They were sitting around going, all right, who's our target audience? Exactly. They totally did. 100%. Every time you describe that thing, I'm just like, that man's willing to code named the Ibit project internally before they published it. Let it just wash it over me, exactly.

No problem. Well, all right. So preparation continues is what we're saying. Preparation continues. We'll have everything figured out, but I think at the very least, I'll be in Discord in one form or another, the TMS Discord. and um if i can i mean maybe maybe the better way to do it is to be is to have this guy be the camera for discord yeah could be the ipod touch oh is that what kind of cameras that thing got on it it's just a little uh front facing yeah like a little single whatever business probably

okay it's probably what like a 720p something yeah it's fine for this sort of thing right yeah should be okay yeah you're not worried about 4k surround sound here you just need a little uh you Look, there's me on camera. Yeah. In my phone. Ah, it looks fine. I can totally tell that you. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. You can tell it to me. That's key right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. We'll see. There's something. There's some way of doing this.

I don't know. Yeah. The solution will present itself because necessity is the mother of invention, they say. That's right. So is Frank Zappa. Oh, all right, then. Don't eat the yellow snow. He always told me.

So I was going to, okay, so I got a question. For you and the chat, you guys can answer this. if you want to. Here's, I don't know, I don't know how to do this. So I gave up the shug, you know, a long time ago. I'm done. Right, of course. No sugar for me.

I'm trying to, trying to be healthier and all that. And, uh, doctor says, yeah, I cut out the shug. So I cut out the shug. And, uh, once in a while, you know, I need a something. I got to have something. So how I fulfill, how I fill those dreams. Let's see. Do I have one here?

Yeah, I do. It's usually through a, you know, a can of mountain dew, zero sugar. major melon for example all right yeah i try that by the way yeah what do you think of this you'll let you finish and then i'll give you my review oh really you got to review this this is my favorite thing in the world you know it's quick review okay not really really yeah yeah i'm in love with it i can't get enough of these i don't know why to me it's not as good as the dr pepper zero that's my that's the top of the list for me right now well yes i like zero doctor dr pepper zero's amazing you're not wrong and i like that too and i usually try to get a case of that but this stuff

I don't know what it is. I could drink these all day. Yeah, it's the melon. It's the melon flavor for me, which is the key element, right? Like if it was a cola, if it was a regular Mountain Dew flavor, but it's the,

the melon is like, all right, I'm not a melon. I wouldn't have probably gone on my way to drink the non-zero major melon if I were a... Yeah, if you were just drinking the sugar melon during, or you would, you'd go for the Baja blast maybe instead or something.

I would go for the Baja blast or the Codret. Code Red is my, of all the Mountain Dew flavors Code Red is the one I like the most. Baja Blast. I don't think they make a Co Red Code Red Zero, do that? Not that I know of, but they do, the Baja Blast they do. Yeah, they have that a Taco Bell.

It's so funny, go through the drive-thru and say, yeah, give me five Bredo Supremes and Baja Blas Zero. I'm trying to watch my weight. So yeah, like Gene in the chat says Scott's a soda junkie. Not really, but I can tell you that I don't have any vices.

So this is it. This is all I got, man. This is it. So I don't, you know, I don't have, I can't go out in the backyard and vape. I mean, it could, but I don't, I don't drink alcohol. And because I'm off the shug, I'm not like munching on a bag of something that's full of sugar. So having one of these once in a while is kind of my thing. All right.

Now, here's the problem. I've been off the sugar for so long, the real sugar, and been on these chemical substitutes for so long, that I no longer know if I'm getting a diet thing or not. So I'll give you the example. Last night I took my girls who were both at the house and the baby to a Mexican place up the road called T.O's. Okay. Nice little Mexican place, family run, lovely place, and I always like their food. So I go there.

I always get a smothered green burrito thing. And anyway, the kids get it whatever they get. And we're ordering drinks. And Taylor gets a Dr. Pepper. and Carter gets water with lime and Kim does something else. And I'm like, yes, I'll have a, I see on our menu, I'll have a Coke Zero, please, because that's all they had that was diet. So they said, sure.

And they brought me a Coke Zero supposedly. Now they don't come in a can, so I, you know, no visual verification. All I have is a glass full of a brownish, refreshing looking cola drink. And I'm to assume that the girl remembered that I ordered what I ordered. and that she put the right fountain hole and, you know, there's no sugar hooked up to that one or whatever. Right, right.

And I got it, and I got halfway done with it. And I thought, well, this is a really good Coke zero? And then I thought, well, maybe this is, is this full sugar? Because it, I mean, I don't know. I realized right then last night, I don't know the difference anymore. I can't freaking tell. My taste buds don't know the difference. So I handed it to Carter.

And this, because she hates diet drinks. And I said, try this. And she dips it. And she goes, oh, it's terrible. Yes, it's totally diet. Okay. Really? Okay, okay, wow.

I can't tell anymore. It's a combination of two things, right? It's the fact that, number one, they're getting better and better at making those zero sugar drinks taste like their non-zero-zero counterparts. But number two, it's that we're just getting so used to that less sweetness and maybe a little tiny bit of bitterness. Yeah. Even though that's kind of going away. That's true.

That, you know, it's getting harder for us to discern. It's funny. it's even it's probably it would probably be really easy for you if they brought you a regular sugar Coke and you took a drink of and said oh yeah that's definitely regular coke oh yeah that's a good point i guess i would have probably known if i had a taste yeah that's that's a good point so i guess so the rule should probably be if i get one and i don't tell or i can't tell that it's like you know it basically the other way it's the other direction that i'm detecting now so if i detect sugar i'll know it but i won't think anything

if it's just the diet or the zero I ordered, right? Okay. So really not a problem at all. I'm just a weenie. I think you'd notice the other way more than you'd notice this way. Yeah. And Carter's in the chat now. When she tasted it, she, I mean, her face said immediately, oh, this is diet.

Like there was no question in her mind that she had diet. No, this is totally a Coke 100, no, Coke zero, dad. I was going to say it's not a Coke 120 or whatever the calories. a regular can is. 70 per can, so you got, that's about right, about 120 per glass. That's about right. I think so, yeah. It's a little much, a little too much there for your caloric intake and all that. Isn't it 70? I thought it was 70 TVs. He's gone. He's saying, no, I thought it's 120 in a can or 110 in a can. You might be right. Coke can calories. Let's just find out. Yeah. The official, oh, here goes. Okay, nutritional facts. The official number is 140. 140. It is 140 per 12

12 ounce can't. I had that wrong. Why did I think 70? I'm thinking of something else. I definitely think of something else. Is that a lot? I don't know what that is. Is 140 a lot? Is that... What's your recommended daily? Something like 1,500 to 2,000 or something? 2,200,000, 2200, depending on your P.I and all that. So, I mean,

it's not a ton in the larger scheme of the day, I suppose, but... No, but when your breakfast is 800 calories and your... lunches 1200 calories and whatever it all starts adding up or your or your pre-diabetic it adds up real quick well that also yes exactly yes so anyway something i learned now maybe the the audience can learn from me don't be yeah well was coke coke life was probably 70 right oh right the little um the fancy green can thing the fancy green can yeah uh was that coke 60 calories okay yeah yeah it's still it just it was a it was a great idea i don't like the the color of the can just

bothered me i don't know what it wasn't do it i couldn't do the color yeah i'm looking at it right now and it's just like just too christmasy right is that the deal something yeah coke life can uh it looks a little bit like a christmas tree and uh i've tried it i had it one oh yeah you know what it's like it's like sprite but the wrong green it's like a pale blueish green like a yeah yeah if i don't think i like it either then that you say it it's swamp water look at that thing and maybe part of it is that stripe isn't white enough

it's like an off white kind of a it is right it's like they didn't print it bright enough yeah i don't like it yeah it's a fail fail i don't like it it's a no from me the ones that are red green combo are the ones i had and they look like christmas and i don't like oh interesting yeah see that now. So they actually had the majority of the can was

red, but then they had like a green roof on it. Yep. Yeah. And they've had a couple of designs, but I think now they've settled on that the pure green business. Probably because people thought... Yeah, do they even still sell it? Is the question. I think so. There's a the Zau near us that does tacos and

like soups and stuff. They have a fountain version of it. Oh, wow. Yeah. So there you go. Interesting. I like Zau. Ooh, those tacos sound good right now. Oh. You know, I've decided that the day after the ride, so Sunday, maybe even Saturday night, I am having Tina drive us through a chick-fil-a and I'm getting an M-R-F and peach shake. Yeah, baby.

You need to replenish all those calories you burned off. Right, exactly. Let's take something really good that I've done and completely diminish it by having a shake right now. Yeah, why not? I support you and you're playing. are, that is the best shake. It is really good. I'll give them credit for that.

The one of their lines are so long. All right, we're going to bring in some fun discussion today about this. Oh, we have, I haven't had a chance to play this yet. Check this out. I think science. I'll make you go poo-poo. There you go.

Hey, look who it is. TMS Jamie credit for that. He made, he put this together. Very good. Very good, TMS. Welcome back to the show, Bobby Frankenberger, who joins us on Thursdays, most Thursdays, talk about a little science.

and it's good to have you here, man. How are you? Hey, it's really good. Speaking of, I was just listening to or reading about the science of anuses today so that's appropriate. Science does make you go poo-poo. Well, look. Do you hear that there's a kitten that was born

last week without an anus and they had to build one for? That's going to be a short life. What did they give it? They give it a new anus. They gave that kitten an anus. Wow. Oh, geez. They installed a little after my market anus.

Can you get a warranty on that? Sure. Well, it comes with a one year, but let me talk to the manager. I'll see if I can get that extended to three years for you. Yeah, you got to buy A-Hole Care. 60,000 meows, one of the two. A-hole care, that's what it's called. You've got to buy A-Hole Care.

It's kind of like Apple Care. Anyway, that joke's old. Hey, what's going on, man? It's nice to have you here, and we're going to talk about a little thing. You sent me some stuff about a study. This was interesting because I basically felt like I was reading a study about my own brain. But basically, it was a study that finds that there's certain brain areas involved in seeking information about bad possibilities, about basically contingencies that you try to find like, ooh, I'm going to, I don't know, let's say I'm going to go water skiing. All right.

Then your brain goes, you're going to kick one of your skis off and poke your eye out. or you're going to fall into a piranha pit or, you know, I don't know what the things are, but you start thinking about all the stuff that could go wrong so that you, I don't know, are safer doing it, but also I'm assuming the whole point is a lot of people this bars them from, you know, taking chances and doing things they could do otherwise.

So tell me about this, it's pretty interesting. I think it's something we probably all assume, but I guess this is, you know, this is science now. Well, I don't know that everybody does it. Like, Brian, do you, when, you're faced with a situation where there's an uncertain possibility of something bad happening like it's possible that it could happen but it's not clear whether it could it's going to be bad um do you combat that by or do you react to that by seeking out as much information you can

about the potential upcoming event yeah i mean obviously it depends obviously it depends on the severity level that i'm expecting or like you know how bad bad things can get but oh yeah for sure like i'll even google uh you know bad whatever the the appropriate bad thing that can happen at this time kind of thing right like i want to be i want to be prepared i don't think there's anything wrong with well when you plan your when you plan your your your trip to ireland which you're you know you're sort of in the middle of now or you know happen part of that was are there they still gets a little riot thing going on no okay cool that'll all be cleared over by then okay what's their

COVID situation. Okay, cool. Like, like, I feel like that's just, if you're not at least doing some baseline stuff like that, you're, you're, you know, you're screwed, right? Yeah, there's a, there's a, there's preparation, um, there's a preparation level. Maybe it's level H, I don't know, but no, there's a preparation level that you want to do for something like that. And then I think there is overboard, uh, like,

oh no, somebody, somebody in Ireland, uh, ate some bad haggis from Scotland. I know it's not from Ireland, but I couldn't think of the sausages. They'd some bad sausages. Brian, you're going there. You're going to accident, you might be accidentally eat some bad sausages. Yeah. Yeah. There are definitely downsides to that type of behavior, and that's why the research is important, right? Because I think that it can sometimes lead to anxiety and people or people who are, see, is it chicken or egg, you know, which one cause of the other, but there is a tendency or a correlation between people who have anxiety to engage in this type of behavior as well. So the question that inspired this is by scientists

was that why do some people, because some people do it and some people don't. That's clear. And the question is, why do some people seek out information when they're sort of faced with these looming threats of possible threats and other people don't engage in it and they engage in what are called dread behaviors where they just sit and kind of like worry about it but don't try to sort of maybe mitigate that by looking for information yeah I'll have to I'm fully admit I'm kind of a combination of those two there are times where I go into full disaster mode or you know where I'm sure

that something is going to go wrong with all of the plan. Like, I just do that. And I've always done it since I was a little kid. I remember doing it. Well, this can happen with different things, too, not just things that might happen to you, but also events, negative bad events that you don't have any control

over. And so if there's something that's potentially about to happen to me, I do what you guys have described. Like, I remember years ago when I was going to fly on an airplane for the first time by myself, I was I'm a very anxious person, so I was like looking up everything that happens on an airplane, on this airline, how do they do everything? What are the airports I'm going to be in? Like, what's the floor plans? What do you know, like all these things. Where are the exits? Where are the exits? Yeah. Right. And, but with things like big events in the news, like I remember with the, when the insurrection at the Capitol happened. Yeah. Everybody was talking about it. And I kind of.

of for a while at the beginning, and this happens with big news events a lot with me, I just avoided it all together, because in my head, there's an anxiety that builds up, and I just, I don't know, there's nothing I can do about it. So I feel like I have more of that, like, avoidance strategy. Yeah. Yeah, I do that sometimes, too, and it depends, like I said, depends on the thing. Someone in the chat says, what if I do both? That's kind of, kind of me. I've gotten better at it, but sometimes don't you think it's like, it's easy to take a bad experience and then lock that in as some sort of form of PTSD almost and then have that affect it for, you know, the foreseeable future. So if you got mugged the last time you visited Chicago, this is all made up in my head. I'm just making this up.

But let's say somebody mugged you and you went visiting there, how do you not think of that? that the next time you're planning a trip to Chicago. How is that not at least in your mind at the very least or at the worst it stops you from going? Even though the likelihood of it ever happening again is like lightning striking twice statistically or something. It's funny how our brains work because even sometimes when we have the data, we know the knowledge and we're even secure in that knowledge for the most part. The minute we have to put kind of rubber to the road, we go, oh, but what if, what if? Now this study seems to to have figured out where some of this is coming from.

Are we just talking about kind of locations in our brain that's doing this? That's what they wanted to look at was the brain, and that's what I'm going to talk about. Because I don't, you know, Wendy's more suited to talk about, like, whether this is good or bad behavior or how to change it. I have no idea. But the researchers wanted to look at where this type of behavior might originate neurologically in the brain. Um, it's been seen before in, uh, animal models and in people, uh, we've been able to identify sort of, uh, where in the brain uncertainty about positive events, yeah, is located. Um, that's, that's been, that's been found pretty well. And, uh, like, like anticipate, like what they did with monkeys is they, they teach them to anticipate a reward that's coming and then do brain scans on them when they're about to present them with an award. award and and I can see where that information is originating in the brain and this one wanted to look at negative events so what they did was they taught monkeys how to recognize when something unpleasant was about to happen all right okay so the way they did that is they would they would puff an annoying puff of air into their face but before they did it they would show them a symbol that would sort of of indicate a puff of air might be about to happen. Now, the important part is the symbol wouldn't

indicate whether it would happen or not, just that if it is going to happen, it's going to be sometime soon, but it might not happen. Sure. And then, so that would be the first symbol that they would see, and then they would present them with a second symbol, which would verify whether or not the puff of air was going to be blown into their face. Oh, interesting. Okay. And so what they wanted to look at then was do monkeys, do these monkeys, do they stick around? Because to look at, this is an important setup for the experiment, to look at the symbol, they have to look at where the puff of hair is coming from. So to seek out the information to determine whether or not this puff of air is going to come, they would have to potentially expose themselves to the puff of air.

Or they could just, you know, cover their face or avert their eyes or something like that, even though it might not be coming. So you see how there's a situation like I can just assume that it's coming and avert my eyes so I don't get this annoying situation. Or I can put myself at risk in order to find more information about what might be about to happen. Oh, interesting. And so these poor monkeys, what symbol was it, by the way, that would like warn them? Do we know what that was? I'm curious. it was like a pair of lips and a little puff of smoke or was it a little little puff coming out of the front of it

it was uh i have no idea it was like an all-knowing eye or something i don't know uh but um the uh so what they found interestingly was they thought they would see something like universal about the behavior of monkeys but they saw that some of them would absolutely seek out more information they would wait for the symbol to see what was going to happen and then some of them just didn't at all and averted their eyes and uh and also that this was controlled between they took those same monkeys that that would seek out information about positive information they controlled for that so so all the they saw this this separation within those groups too so it wasn't just the reason they did that is because they didn't want to

they wanted to make sure that it wasn't just like monkeys always of you know seek out more information or monkeys always you know don't seek out more information they they saw some monkeys that seek out information about positive potential events would do one or the other yeah so they controlled for it in that way interesting and then they looked at the monkeys brains and found that there was activity in certain parts of the brain when they chose to seek out more information so and there were parts of the brain that we have as well Sweet. So where is it? Like somewhere in the back, the front, side? It's towards the front. I know we have some people in the tadpool who are all about brains, so I will name the two parts. There's the anterior cingulate cortex, which is like here somewhere in the front.

And that's a part of the brain that's responsible for like higher level thinking. And also, importantly, reward anticipation. That part of your brain. processes reward anticipation and also what things to pay attention to sort of navigates that information and then there's the also in the front a little bit further towards the front the ventrilateral prefrontal cortex a lot of things happen in the prefrontal cortex yeah about higher level thinking and everything so it makes sense that it because it it's it's like navigating and mediating like decision uncertainty right yeah and uh so yeah And so you might be wondering, why is looking at this kind of stuff important? But it helps us understand the more about what's going on in the brain for this.

Like, we live in an information-rich time in the world, right? And so the sort of impulse to seek out information about things, we have little control over is pretty strong, as you guys just described. Doom scrolling is a very real thing. And this can help us understand what leads to conditions like OCD and anxiety disorders and stuff like that. It's also, from my perspective, it's interesting because, you know, we've got a quite often a little two-year-old running around this place. And like even last night, after we were done eating, we got back home. And he did this thing lately where, and it's just with me for some reason. I don't know why.

But he has this little dinosaur, this green plastic dinosaur. and he likes to walk up to me hit me on the leg with this dinosaur just like whack not real hard that it hurts or anything because whatever he's a little two year old but he just like

will smack me with it and then stare me in the eye to see what I'm going to do like just stares me down and meanwhile his mom's over there going van we don't do that no no you know all that but in my mind I'm going

bring it on big man in my mind I'm going he's this is him forming this stuff Right? This is him solidifying his pathways and his brain's, his brain chemistry is pieces are falling into place and locking into place and these interactions with other people are part of that and, you know, knowing when a thing is appropriate, when it isn't. Like this is, you know, ages two to four are like a massive area for that. And I assume that includes things like if he falls and wax his head on something or a dog is too aggressive with him or whatever it is, some of that is him locking. in, oh, dogs are aggressive. Next time I'm around a dog, I'm going to have to think about all my options. Like, those parts of the brains are kicking in.

And that's where, I don't know, I think about that stuff a lot right now. Yeah, the really cool thing about all that sort of stuff is that it's literal, physical reinforcement of pathways in the brain. Like firing is going on and it's traveling down this pathway and that reinforces keeping those pathways around because a lot of what goes on in the brain. in children like van's age is there are there are way more connections in the in a kid's in an infant and toddler's brain than an adult brain and it's because the brain's just like we're just going to connect everything to everything yeah and then and then we'll prune away the stuff that doesn't get used later right um and that's what's happening so that's exactly right you when kids are doing stuff like smacking people and and watching to see what happens or what i think about a lot is you ever noticed that um toddlers and infants will will hurt themselves they'll fall and hurt themselves or something like that and for a moment they don't do anything and they look at everyone around them to see what their reaction is yeah oh yeah he does that and with my kids we would try not to react and they would often not cry yeah he'll do that sometimes or he'll biff it um either on

purpose or just because he tripped and his first instinct is to not cry or be upset or let the pain take over, even if there is pain, hits to look up and see what everyone else is doing. He'll do it every time. And it'd be like, look at his mom. Am I supposed to react here? What am I supposed to do? And you can see his mom going,

I want to freak out because that looked really scary, but I'm not going to freak out. And like her reaction will go a long way in determining what his reaction is going to be. And I guess we do that. Like right up to our 20s, we have a lot of that stuff still going on with our brains. But we're screwed now, all three of us, man.

We're locked in. Whatever we got, we got. We're done. Do you think, like, when Viking babies fell and hit themselves, they were just like, like everybody just cheered, like, rah! They went, borka, borka. I don't know. I don't know what they did.

They probably fell, and people were like, yeah, you will learn how to fight like your family. I don't know what voice that is, but go ahead and use that if you need. That's one of the ones. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, he was a Viking of sorts. was kind of What were those guys called?

The Bolivar. Malchir? Malkir, yeah, the Valcure. Wait. No. Virchol. Vichrol. Vichrol.

Virkle. Erkels. Yeah. Did I do that? The famous raid cry, did I do that? But yeah, like, this is really fascinating stuff. I love the sort of thing. And we'll pass the link around the chat as well.

And if you want more great scientific stuff, then you need to be following Bobby on his various efforts, including his podcast, and his TikTok channel, which I now get graced with very often. Always something cool happening there. He seemed to be getting some real traction on there, by the way. That's awesome. Man, I just did one on a whim while I was in Charlotte on like a little mini vacation with my wife. I was like, oh, there's a glass of water sitting out and it tastes weird. That's a thing that happens, right? You leave a glass of water out and it tastes weird the next day overnight. And I was like, well, I know why that is. So I don't know just to do a little.

little TikTok about it. It's still climbing. It's past 200,000 views now. Everybody's flipping out about it. Yeah, you're killing it, dude. That's awesome. I knew this would be such a great combo, and it turns out I was right for once in my life. So, well done, and continue

doing that. What's the, I forget that your Addy on there. What is it again, so people can find it? For TikTok, it's at, it's an all around SI, S-C-I is Cy. Nice. And the podcast is all-around science. Just search for it, and you'll find it. Go get it. Go get it today.

Bobby Frankenberger, always a pleasure. And may all your glasses of water be warm. We'll see you later. That's good stuff. I'm flat. Yeah, the TikTok thing. It's a good fit. There's a lot of that kind of content on there, and it all does really well.

So I'm really glad he's doing that. I like seeing people using TikTok for good. Yeah. Use it for good. Not for evil. Use it for good. Don't use it for it. Evil.

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Yeah. Really do. I know the feeling. All right. Check this out. An elderly zoo penguin with arthritis gets shoes to provide relief. Oh, I love to feel good.

Aetons get an anus and a penguin gets shoes. Every time a penguin gets shoes, an angel gets its wings. A pig gets an anus. That's right. So check this out. Getting older can be a burden. Just ask. Enrique.

an elderly penguin at the St. Louis Zoo who's getting some relief from his arthritis after getting custom designed boots. According to the zookeepers, the Southern Rock Hopper Penguin has lived beyond its life expectancy and needs these therapeutic shoes. Staff member said Enrique, who came to the zoo in 2016,

is estimated to be more than 30 years old. The average expectancy for this species is 10. Wow. That's a massive. That's amazing. Yeah. 20 year freaking 20 years? like someone being 130, 20, whatever.

Yeah. They're treating them well there at the St. Louis. I guess so. Since then, the penguin developed arthritis in his feet and started to get around slowly over the past year. Like many zoo animals and Rieke is far older than would be expected if he was to live in the wild. And his cool kicks allow him to live a more comfortable life. Says his, uh, this post on Twitter. See if this has a photo of the poor little guy. It looks like, yeah, about, uh, 36 seconds and you get a shot of the, the shoes.

Oh, here we go. It's video. Sweet. 30 seconds. 30, yeah, 36. Oh, look at him. They look like those vibram five toe finger shoes. Oh, right. That just kind of conform to your toe. And it basically is probably that, right?

Like a penguin custom version of that. Yeah, kind of. Oh, they're adorable. And they gave him the colors that match his natural stuff. So that's cool. Yes, exactly. He didn't look that bad for his age. It looks pretty good.

No, no. Looks good for her. Well, he's, it's funny because he, they said he came to the zoo in 2016. So I guess he must have been at another zoo. Oh. Getting old. Yeah, we assume so. His elderly life there.

But, yeah, good for him. Maybe St. Louis is like, we can take care of him. We like old people. They're older. Come to flora, bring him down to flora radar. You love it here. I'm surprised we didn't talk about the Subway Tuna scandal. Oh, yeah.

Why did it miss my radar? I saw a little of this. I still don't really know what it's about. Oh, Subway Defends its Tuna Footlong Sandwich claims DNA test is not reliable. Right, they did a test on the Subway Tuna Sandwich and found that it contains no tuna DNA. Oh, man. The lab found there was zero. Okay, the lab said that.

The report also noted, though, that it is not the DNA test. Oh, the only thing that's been done. Oh, they've been doing it. They've been doing, as I said, they did find tuna present in the samples tested back in February. So it's just differing tests, which is also weird. You don't want that. It is weird, yeah. What does Subway say about this?

Here's the quote. The fact is Subway restaurants. served 100% wild-caught cooked tuna, which is mixed with mayonnaise and used in freshly made sandwiches, wraps and salads that are all served to be enjoyed by our guests. So they're like, whatever, man, these are real. But these are also the people who put yoga mats in their bread and then took it out. That's right. Yes, exactly.

So I don't know if I trust this, them, that is to say. And you know what? You got a lot of sandwich options these days. You don't have to go to subway. No, no. Jersey mics will be happy to take. you. Oh, Brian.

Or, uh, firehouse subs or Jimmy Johns or, uh, you're describing my, plethora. I think you're describing my lunch today. Because I want a good sandwich today. Now you've, now you've done it. Well done. There we go. Which one of those are you going to go to? Probably Jimmy Johns, probably.

Yeah. Because it's close and they're fast. Yeah, and they're fast. Substitute your bread for lettuce. Oh, but I like their bread. Yeah, they have really good bread. It's hard to give up the bread. I'm supposed to cut down on those kind of carbs, but it's hard.

for me. Oh, pot bellies, like the pandemic just killed pot bellies. Oh, I forgot about pot bellies, yeah. They got killed out here by the pandemic. Yeah, and I don't understand why. Everyone else did fine with DoorDash and deliveries and curbside. Pop bellies just went, meh. I guess we don't care. And they just stopped being there. They just freaking shut the windows and left, which I don't get. I'd go there all the time. I'd curbside the shit out of that place. But yeah, that place does not need to have an indoor dining experience. Do I could totally get by with just curbside. All right, locations.

I'm going to see if they even show my location anymore. So, 0.09, 5. Okay, so I put in my zip. Oh, great. They've only got one location now. So they closed down all the others. Where's that one?

Sandy. Oh, F off, man. That annoys me. I mean, I understand. There may have been other stuff going on. Maybe they weren't doing well already. Trying to say it like Travolta. Sandy.

Sandy. Sandy. Sandy. Sandy. Like Sandy Duncan Final episode Final story episode I'm going to read here for you

I want to thank Anne for this And listener Anne sent this in And was not the only one We got two or three people But Anne was the first So I'm using her name Slip and Slide TV show It was a reality show

About slip and slide Halts its production Due to an awful explosive diarrhea outbreak Among the top two concepts If you don't want to appear in the same sentence are slip and slide and explosive diarrhea. This is especially true if you're producing a show based around the slip and slide

that relies on contestants, not having sudden explosive bouts of diarrhea as they slide their way to victory. NBC, this is NBC, the National Broadcasting Company. Sure, sure. We're planning to launch such a show. Ultimate slip and slide, it was called, or is called. We've really run out of ideas.

They truly have. Says the guy who recommended a TV show yesterday about going into a kitchen trying to figure out what dessert was made in there and then trying to make it yourself. But even if Brian Ibbett, Lord of Reality Television, starts to see

the cracks, you know we're getting in weird trouble. Exactly. Did you see the trailer for that Netflix thing where everyone's an alien or a furry or whatever? I just saw a photo. I just saw a photo panel of it. I haven't seen the trailer. You should watch the trailer. You might think you had to be. We did watch Love is blind and thought

that was kind of weirdly fascinating. Not as, just more as like a sociology experiment more than like a dating reality show is like oh that's an interesting concept yeah it's a we saw a photo of the dolphin dude is what we saw yeah it's it's it's real it's something else you should watch it it's really it'll make you that is not the ultimate slip and slide oh that's not really a photo from the thing is it no what this one from who oh no no no that this is where I got the article, but there's no way that's real.

Right? It's mud. Okay. The caption under the photo says it's mud. Don't worry. It's mud. Oh, my gosh, article. I know. It's okay. That's a BuzzFeed technique, article. That's horrifying. All right. Anyway, so NBC, their planning to launch this thing was called the ultimate slip and slide. They say it's, quote, the spirit of classic backyard slide and transforms it into a real life water park full of gigantic slippery slides with a chance to take home

big cash prizes. The problem is everyone got Jardia. 40 people involved in the production. Really? Yeah, it was real bad. This happens a lot, by the way. It can spread through contaminated surfaces, food and objects, the main cause of the outbreak from recreational water activities, such as swimming in lakes, rivers, pools, water parks, so on. Also, you can get it from your dog licking you. If your dog has Jardia and then licks you in the face, you're probably going to get Jardia. Yeah. Somebody I know had this from

their dog and she was miserable for weeks. This feels like you're saying you might be a redneck thing. If your dog licks you after licked in their butt, you might have Gartia. Yep. So here are your symptoms in case you're wondering if you might have Gartia. Stomachamps or pain.

Diare. You know, let me play that guy. Yeah. We haven't heard him in a while. Hold on. He's always good to hear. He's a, he's a treat. Dyerrear. Okay, bad case. I have a bad case of diarrhea. No, it's not him.

That guy. God, it doesn't sound like he's got a bad case. He just sounds a matter of fact about it. Oh, here he is. Diareare. That guy. All right. So you got the tire rear.

That's right. That's from the cruise ship story. Yeah, forever ago. It was great. Anyway, you got that. You got your dehydration, gas. Okay. Vomiting, nausea, and my favorite, not really, foul-smelling, greasy stool that tends to float. Man, they get real specific here.

Anyway, co-host Ron Funch was not among the people who suffered from it and was able to see the funny side of the situation, which he joked finally put him in his family's comedy radar. All right. Anyway, good back to those people. Wait, you're talking about Ron Funches, right? I don't know who that is. No idea. Ron Funch's? Yeah. He's the, uh...

They just have funch here, so I don't know who the... Oh, weird. Okay, so that they've got... Yeah, look at that. That's, uh... Yeah, Ron Funch's is one of the, uh, one of the hosts of the show. The way they call him Ron Funch's, you totally know. Like, look up a photo photo.

Oh, there. I do know him. Okay, well, why do he spell... He's got such a funny delivery, like, almost like a... Yeah, I don't know about that kind of, uh... Yeah, here he is. He seems like, they seem like they should have, um, he spelled his name right.

They should have, yeah. You know what I mean? No, AV Club, no, who's this Fox 13? Oh, no, that's, uh, Life's, IFL sciences is? IFL science.com, which is apparently, well, they don't know. They don't know. They don't know.

They should have called Bobby. Bobby's a scientist, truly. All right. We're going to take a break when we come back. My sister Wendy, We'll be back after a couple of weeks away, and we're going to talk about an email that we got. See what she thinks about that and more stuff as well. So stick around after this song.

Yes. All right. So this is, this comes from one of the best debut albums to come out of the U.S. in 2020, according to New Musical Express, or N.M.E, as they're called. These guys are awesome. This is just some straight up guitar. driven rock and roll. This is a band called advertisement. It's going to be hard to find.

Look for a band card called advertisement. Chrisie, Grandstand Media, thanks for sending this. This is from their upcoming release. This is the title track. It is, here it comes, Freedom. Freezo, the name of the soul

And if you think it's going to come We always, that's really nice With skin's open, naked to the sun freedom freedom freedom freedom Everybody here now, there's

Nobody's really saying nothing I want to write a song That's just nothing at all It's meant greatness All around me Maybe even grant me Someone who founded Freedom

Freedom Freedom Freedom Love We do love We do love We do

Oh Free deal Oh You know, I'm going to be able to be. And I know she's sick of me, and I know she'd rather be doing yoga with her hippie friend, so I had to practically shove her out the door because I'm hungry, and I'm sick of eating all of her healthy twigs and cat food and shit.

If you please, we can kill it. This is the morning stream. This house. It knows we're here. All right, we're back, everybody. Welcome back to the program. That song once again. That song once again is,

here it comes from the band advertisement from their Freedom EP. What a funny name for. a band. Advertisement? Yeah. It's fine. Totally. It's just really unusual.

But you look on a concert marquee. You don't want to see foo fighters. Also, advertisement. Yeah, advertisement. It feels like a placeholder, right? Like, not real. Right, exactly. What time is the advertisement start?

Then we can just show up after the advertisement. That is how that feels. Very weird. All right. Sit back, everybody, and enjoy the following thing. I have to push a button for it. My sister Wendy. joins us after a couple of weeks away, busy with the family reunion on the other side, trying

to get it all done. Wendy, welcome back to the show. Thanks. Welcome to you. How did it go, by the way? How was your Florida business and all that? Was it all right? It was great.

I know people, you know, you can see pictures, but I did not, I've never experienced Sam like that. It's like flour, sugar flour. Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah. I mean, I've been to, like, Tampa, but I've never been, what do you call it, the penhandle part? I don't know. Wow.

The wiener part. Yeah, it looks like a wiener part. That's the official term. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that stuff gets very tropical right there where you're at. Yeah, and the water is perfect of blue. That was amazing.

Yeah. And huge manatees swam near us and scared the living crap out of most of us. Are you sure they weren't just like a retirement home community group that we were out, you know, looking at. But at a 16-foot wingspan, two feet away from where we're swimming? No. Well, look, you know, they got to retire somewhere. So, congratulations on your daughter's graduation and her birthday and all that. Yeah, I can't believe.

I can't believe she's that old. This is all where we're at. That's just nuts. You know, your kids are all older than her. I know. That's what's funny. That's what's funny. It's like, I keep being amazed about my nieces and nephews getting,

hitting these landmark moments but then I forget oh yeah Nick's 21 like he's old he used to be a tiny little boy well anyway it's good to have you back and I know there's not much of a break for you I guess because you're going to be out here next week just a lot going on so Wendy's got the right attitude everybody go get them she says we stay away get your crap done and then go to bed yeah then sleep

that's all you got to do well excellent it's good to have you back it's been a while we're going to go ahead and dive right into an email that we received in the email that's where you get email is in your email uh this is one from somebody they want to be just called cue which i don't want to confuse it with qan on or any of that's not it's not that they just that's just going to be their nickname here okay i guess i shouldn't have brought it up nobody else would be thinking about it or maybe they would but anyway we got this from cue again not the cue that's the post on a chance it's the one that's the one that gives james bond all of his equipment. Oh, that's a way better way

looking at it. Well done. Yeah. Not the one that jerks Picard around all the time with bad ideas. Not that one. No, not that one. All right. This is the email. It says, hello, friends. I would love to hear Wendy's and the boys' thoughts on disassociation. I recently, three years ago, found out that I disassociate. I went through EMDR, which is eye movement

desensitization and reprocessing. You probably know what that is, Wendy. You probably heard of that. This was a particular therapy to help with flash backs originated from childhood trauma. Through this, I became aware of my own disassociation. Here is the kicker. I feel like I'm in a state of disassociation since the pandemic started. Why is this lasting this long?

Thanks, a.k.a. Q. there. So, yeah, that's, well, first of all, tell us more about this eye movement thing. I don't understand what that is. Can you explain how that works and how it's used? Yeah, I'm not trained in it. So this is just, you know, from knowing the basics and having a lot of people do it and it's, it can be really effective. I think I'm not going to give the credit to the right person, but, you know, therapist back in the day watches, you know, you can watch people's eyes while you're working with them. And when you're a trauma therapist, you spend a lot of time sort of being really focused on how the client is doing and how they're processing.

and, you know, because you're talking about very, very traumatic, difficult things, and it puts them back in the state of trauma. You can re-traumatize someone. And so in that observation, someone Google it for me. I'm feeling bad that I didn't look at. Remember who started this? But anyway, to give them some credit, because it's pretty impressive. Anyway, but the idea is that, you know, when you've talked to someone,

you've probably noticed their eyes moving around. And if someone moves their eyes around too much, like they're darting or something, and you're like, wait a minute, what's going on? listening or what are you thinking about while I'm telling you is yeah right totally and so a couple things like you'll notice uh when you ask someone to recall a memory there will often look oh see they're mirroring me so is it left and down up and left up and left is what i thought it was yeah yeah and so you'll see them sort of it's like oh you're trying to get something out of storage you're looking up on the shelf into the left so somehow that's where it is right and so um during these

and some other neurological things, people have paid attention to, there is, there's something fascinating. So while someone is naturally processing, their eyes are doing something. And so what they have discovered is that you can have the eyes do things on purpose by following a series of lights while you're processing your trauma that really give people a lot of relief. So it's kind of cool. It's one of those things of like, huh, someone figured that out and then made it into some sort of productive way to to help and it really does there's great research on it so it seems weird right like i'm going to go tell you about being abused but i'm going to follow some lights with my eyes is you know sound a little science fictiony or not that's supposed to help sure um but there's a whole system to it

and can be really helpful so it sounds like this email or got had access to sort of an aware or became aware that dissociation had been a part of their management of trauma, right? Sure. Which is very, very common. Um, so, okay, real quick, let's back up. She mentioned a sushi, uh, doesn't say, but, um, it's a cue. It's a cue.

Okay. So they mentioned that the, the childhood trauma, they were there for flash, flashbacks, which originated from childhood trauma. So now I imagine you're talking to someone and they have a flashback. What are you going to see? What would you see while someone's having a flashback? Oh, you mean see them do or what would they see in their own minds? No, what would you see them do?

Oh, what would I see them do? It seems like you'd see their eyes moving like, again, you know. Like I'm doing it now. Well, probably going up and to the left again, right? Not necessarily like seeing the move because they're not witnessing the flashback over their current view, right? Yeah. So for example, it's not that you're going to see anything like, okay, so there's a version of a flashback, of course, that the person is in that space and traumatized and crying and open a boy, right? So I don't mean that. I mean more like, and this can happen just, it doesn't have to even be a flashback in this, in a significant sense, but it's just you're thinking about something else. Is it like a blanks transported there, right? What are you seeing when someone does that or when, you know what does someone look like? Is it like a blank stare kind of thing?

Like when little kids just, like Van does this and our kids do this in their little, if they're just playing or whatever or sitting there or they're at dinner and they'll just suddenly stop and stare into nowhere, just stare off into nowhere, blank face, you kind of have to snap them out of it, like that kind of thing? Yes, that's exactly what it is. Okay, so that's on a, no trauma is causing that to happen. there's just humans we had a lot going on in our heads and we can think we can think about a million things and we can also transport ourselves via memory via thought via feeling or whatever to some

other place but the present moment which is why all of us struggle right because it's hard to actually stay in the moment when we've got so much in there right and so much that can pull us in a different direction so you've had this i know everyone's had this experience where you're talking to someone and then they just pick up their phone while you're talking and don't even realize they're doing it. Yeah. Yeah. And then they, I mean, that is a form of dissociating from the moment that you're in. And it's hilarious because we all do it and everyone, you know, I think we've all gotten a little better. At least I have of being forgiving of that kind of thing because we've all done it. And it's, it's the, it's the something popped in our head and it's usually, I need to check the weather and now you're on the Instagram before you're right.

right but there is actually a person talking to you so it's problematic okay so you can see where this is like happening to people all the time the um cue is talking about um maybe well a couple things that we'll get to the what she's what he or she is experiencing right now right uh with the pandemic stuff um but what what they realized i believe by by doing this is that oh i do dissociate, I don't handle the moment of the pain being reminded or, you know, like, you're just sort of checked out sometimes in a conversation. And there's a reason when you have been abused or there's some type of trauma from a young age, the brain essentially creates a safety trip system, right? So you're not fully present in order to protect you, right? So people who don't have any of that

and are just not fully present because they're super busy. That's a different thing, right? But it's still the system doing what it does, which is to get you to the thing that's important. So if you're being abused and it's too much to be present with that, so your brain has to go somewhere else and it does. And we had another episode on this where I got a little more specific on when and how that happens.

But it really is like it leaves to go somewhere else, just like you can say, okay, now I fantasize about being on a beach with the sugar sand. Well, I can bring myself back to that place and think about it and visualize it. And I am no longer in the moment of whatever is happening. Right? So that is the brain's way of going, I'm going to save you. And it's like a muscle that got trained, right?

So it's trained. This is a trick your brain will do to help you survive, make you feel better. It's just sort of built in if you've had a lot of trauma. your life. So what's fascinating, though, about what Q has written is that, okay, it sounds like they got treatment for it. Maybe the flashbacks got better. Maybe they dealt with the trauma for the most part and things have settled in. So let me just quickly say what that would look like. So you do EMDR, you work with a therapist, you are, you're essentially getting those memories, those trauma, you know, all the ways your body has stored all of that. It's all in extreme and

heightened sense and it you sort of do the work and everything sort of soothes and calms itself down to its normal levels of um you know you're still afraid of bees or whatever right like you can you can have like a range of emotions still but it's just not so extreme that you can't read the house or you can't ever see the color purple or whatever it might be you know okay so that would be treatment and that sounds great and and i'm making an assumption here that it's all treated and all good for the most part. And then the start of the pandemic triggered a dissociative response. So to start with, that's probably just because that's built in the system. There's a muscle memory and a skill set there that just is a protective response. But I would argue that this might be everyone

a little bit. Oh, no, I think so too. Like, I don't want to diminish that it's hard and what they've experienced. But I also feel a little bit like I have been dissociated for the last 18 months. Yeah, no, I think that's probably true of any, you know, societal level thing like this puts people in that position. And then the ones that end up looking weird are the ones that act like nothing's going on. Like I noticed that it definitely happened to me during this time where we tried to be really careful and we did all the CDC guidelines all the time and did everything we could. And then when vaccines came, we were on it like we were getting there. And then the whole time through all of this, there was, there were people who were like, I love this pandemic because no one's at the lake. And the guy would be at the lake or, or, you know, they were stoked to just keep going or mad that they couldn't keep going because something got shut down or whatever.

Like, to me, that was dissociative. Like, they were dissociating themselves from from the reality of everything. But maybe it's a combination of them going one direction on their dissociation and me going another. and those two things just don't mix. Well, and, okay, denial and dissociation are not the same thing. Or even just like, I mean, I think it's like a giant family Thanksgiving dinner we're having and finishing up here, hopefully, soon, which is that everyone's got whatever their opinions or perspectives are. And they're going to walk away and tell their own story of it. And it's related to who everyone is sort of.

individually, right? And there's people all along the gamut. And, you know, it's not two camps, but sometimes, you know, America would make everything into two camps. Anyway, but it's like, ooh, we got to get over that. That was rough. And then you don't have to do it again for another year, whereas we did it consistently for a good while. And our own experience, it draws from our own individual skill set or, or defense mechanisms we have built in or, you know, so when you think of dissociation, you could go, whoa, that's bad. Or if you've seen someone who's been traumatized and then have them dissociate, it's alarming to you to witness. It's one thing to see someone stare off and like lose a thread and then come back because we're not totally

unfamiliar with that. But when someone is really left, left, left, left, left and gone somewhere else, it's a little frightening to be the person on the other side, right? And so we think of that is, oh, that's pretty terrible. But actually, it's, it's what makes us amazing that we can survive. We've survived. Well, we survive. It's like a, it's a gift and a curse, right? And so, so all of that happening for us and maybe different forms is a protective response. So that's just it. If there's an extreme trauma, then the protective response needs to be extreme. When there's not, it's not, it doesn't need to be as extreme. But I do think, let's just talk. about people okay I get that there's a percentage that just had a good time and like you know

whatever but the rest of the folks out there who took it seriously have were worried about loved ones and we're careful and we're you know watching things that sort of burn you know like the capital and just having like this isn't okay this isn't what life is supposed to be like or you know whatever those things and these are obviously mainly Americans but I'm going to say from the friends in different parts of the world them watching the Capitol rights was terrifying even more so than I think most Americans

just because that is such a symbol to them as well and you know if Americans are going to hell in a handbasket what's next you know and I do think there was just like a domino effect of a lot of things happening so we got a lot of fear

you have a lot of sort of you know maybe anxiety OCD depression getting kicked up where it wouldn't maybe otherwise and all that happening how do we handle it we dissociated a little bit right we i mean raise your hand if you watch netflix for we're still doing it like over the thing that the thing that happened on the sixth we're still doing national dissociation and then those who are not and wanting to face it

and then that conflict like that's happening real bad right now like right now it's freaking horrendous because some are just going bad it was just some a rowdy couple of couple of bad actors that day, mostly tourists, you know, and then playing it off like it's nothing, even though there's a photo of that guy, the same guy saying that as somebody was holding furniture up against a wall while guns were drawn, like, you know, acting like it was no big deal, normal day at the Capitol. Like, those, that's a dissociation that is either being, that's, that's also being forced on other people or being told to other people. That's not just them doing it to themselves. That's them saying, eh, no big deal. And knowing, knowing,

full well it was a big deal but if you're out there listening to that and you have one of two responses you're like no it is a huge deal and it pisses you off even more or you say yeah maybe it wasn't a big deal i can dissociate from this by explaining it off as it wasn't a big deal right so we're still not dealing with that's a great that's a great voice you like that voice I don't know like. Almost Mitch McConnell. Almost. You'll get close.

I will. Okay, so I hear you, but I'm going to steer it away from politics for a second because I can't solve that crap. But there's this. This piece of it is that the dissociation is not denial or it's not fighting. It's numbing. It's, it's escapism. It's leaving your present moment because it's too much, right? And so for a person like Q who has training and dissociation to then face a worldwide pandemic that was just things were not okay, what are you going to do?

Well, you revert to the numbing effect because it, and not even as a choice, it just happens. So I would give Q this advice that to just really, really, really give yourself a million credits, right? A, for surviving everything, and B, just that this is a normal, right? So we could find someone else's, like denial might be their tactic to handle hard things, right? Rage, oh, that might be one that people use. I don't know. That seems rare. Just kidding.

It's everyone. Do you know what I mean? Like there's all these versions of how to handle stuff that's hard. And this may be her system's way of handling it. And frankly, I think it's many people. way and that's to me Netflix is like the ivy drip to get you there if you can't stop your brain from doing you know if your brain if anxiety is what your brain wants to do we have the drug to get you to dissociation right which is get you out of this place put you somewhere else so i don't

know if this is relevant but i i just finished watching uh beau burnum's um inside did you guys see that oh yeah not yet i keep hearing then i got to see that okay i got to see that is is life changing as in and of itself um no no but i do think uh it is it's such a window in it's really it's so good you got to say now here's the thing too he i'm not going to say i'm going to ruin it but he was getting ready to become to perform again in january of like a lot of us right like okay it's my year and you know all the things you had planned to do and he ends up making this alone literally alone by himself for a year it's it is such a window into into mental he did have time to make that uh i don't know when he made it but that movie

brian the um when we liked uh the girl who got nominated for best actor actress uh this last year he was the boyfriend doctor oh um right right right uh the the uh the the the long con the uh yeah that was an awesome movie but i can't remember the freaking name of it yeah but anyway yeah he's he was the boyfriend that drank the spit and the coffee yes that's the guy yes that's okay um but yeah like he's he's he's an interesting dude and i keep hearing that this is like uh well he has his stand up quote unquote stand up from before even even all the way back to like his early YouTube crap which is where kind of things got started for him he's very young

I'm a missing young woman that's the movie oh that's the movie yeah he uh he's always been kind of a weirdo genius like it's not just comedy it's like something else I don't know it's weird yeah I want to see and there is a song it's about in the first third of it that

is honestly the funniest thing I've ever seen really all right Oh my gosh, it's so good. I'll watch it. Oh, I just want to spill it. Oh, it's so good. Anyway, but just, just this idea of like your, you're, he gave a great window into like, I mean, acting on one hand, but also I don't know if he is. Like, there's a lot of shots where you see him suffering, psychologically suffering. And, you know, it feels very, very real. and I think because he is who he is, it is real.

Anyway, it's great. You should say it. But just that idea of like how he filmed a little bit of how he handled things. And I don't know if anyone has documented the year and a half. And we could see into the sort of mental processes people were going through. And even now, you can go like think back to last April, not this last April, the April before. Or wherever for you, the. sort of sit down, hunker down, do we have enough toilet paper and food feelings are?

And what did you do, right? We all have our different things and our different reasons. So I want to say this. As Q emerges, hopefully, like the rest of the world, eventually, we all emerge from this pandemic and life doesn't go back to normal and like sort of the same sense, but some version of speeding up again and out and about again and inner. interacting with lots of people again or whatever that might be, that pay attention, does this dissociation feeling lift? And if not, go talk to someone about it and see if you can't figure

out what mechanisms keeping it going. Yeah. Because, I mean, I don't feel like I snapped. I'm not back to normal and I don't, I don't know when I will be. Like that beach was great, but it did not cure me. Like, and also there's a lot of people. And that is it. alarming when you have not been around people. Yeah. And they're all from Alabama. Bless, that accent is lovely. Everyone loves.

I mean, everyone there. Every last one of them. It's in a jump. Well, it's easy. If you live near Mobile, you just hop over and you're in the Florida panhandle. It's awesome. Yeah. I mean, it's beautiful.

And the accent is fun to listen to. And I just started mimicking it. And I know it sounds like mockery, but it's more like, I want to copy it because it sounds like I could slow down and live. Oh, yeah, dude. No, there's something about like a deep south accent that is a, I just want to. And like mothers talking to their kids or dad. There's something about it. It was very soothing.

Anyway, but it didn't heal me like I wanted it to. And I think it's just because you don't have this difficult amount of time. And obviously, I've been listening to a lot of people's difficulties too. It's not like I'm just sitting by myself watching Netflix. I would like to switch someone places to see if I would have had a different experience if I was not doing my, job um but you know you look at some of the stats that are out and this is this is what i'm finding really interesting first of all everyone in their dog moving and being willing to pay 30% more for a house than they would have paid last year i mean my mind is blowing around how that is happening

but it is lots of people getting out of dodge and heading to another dodge where lots of people are getting out of that dodge so i think everyone's just it's like rotating chairs a lot of dodging The Dodge just keeps moving. It never empties out. It just moves too. I don't know if it's a grass. I don't know if that's a grass is greener thing or maybe it isn't the case of California because everything burns all the time. But I don't know.

But I can tell you that it's disruptive. Like we are now and it feels so it feels so backwards from coming out of a pandemic to have to find out that the house we live in right now, which we paid $3.25 for or whatever is worth $8.90? now what does that what does that tell us sell but don't because yeah because you have to find a new place yeah you're gonna go 990 for the next one and where are you going to do it we have to move out of state to find it like like it doesn't it doesn't none of it computes it just is so weird to me I don't get it no and so you have that happening but you also have this where 40% of workers are like I'm going to quit or I want to quit yeah like that tells you a lot as well like everyone's having their midlife crisis at the same time yeah I feel like that's what

it is a little bit right anyway so you just you have a lot of interesting things happening that I think are a direct result of what we have gone through and are continuing to go through it's it's not this I don't know you know humans are terrible at grief and processing and you know whatever we just suffer feelings and move on and I think we're going to pay the voice for that a little bit. Yeah. It'll happen sooner or later. You think sooner or later on us having to pay the piper there with that or emotional

like when someone buys your house for 890 and they realize they've been ripped off and your freaking doorknob doesn't work very well. Right. I mean, they got to live with that, right? And so there's some tricks. There's some tricky things ahead for people as they've, I think there's another draw. Like get close to family, like hunker down.

Like there's some, we were far away when it happened or, or I've always, I want to stop, I don't know, it's midlife crisis a little bit. Like I, I want to do the thing I've always wanted to do. I'm going to get that van and quit my job or, um, just no mad land it all over the place. Totally. Well, there is so, there is some, there's antithetical data to this. There's like, uh, uh, data suggesting, well, we are, we know there's a shortage of workers right now. Yeah. Um, well, what is.

that tell you. It tells you that some, a decent percentage of people are rethinking what they want to do. And it's, and it's going to be a slow, and like, that's a weird thing, right? You'd think, oh, well, logically, the, the economy starts coming back. Vaccination rates are high enough, herd immunity is possible, blah, blah, blah. And then you'd think, well, everyone would go rushing back to all those jobs. But they're not. They're, they're doing something else or changing their minds or they're deciding that the chase for, I mean, I don't know if you can even answer this, but maybe some of this is a positive thing. And that the chasing of better house, better car, better yard, better, better job, better whatever is maybe not all they thought it was cracked up to be.

And maybe chasing things like better relationship, better child, father, uh, experience, better whatever is, is more meaningful to them at this point. Like I know, my, my, my, my, my, priorities have shifted in that direction for sure. They already, you know, it's already pretty focused that way, but more so now. And so I can't imagine, I have to imagine, that's like a lot of people. And I don't just mean here, probably everywhere. Totally. I totally agree.

I don't, yeah, I don't think it's negative on the whole. I think it's disruptive. And I think that can be negative, right? Like that, there's impacts to that. I also think teenagers everywhere, go get the job now, dude. There is literally a 15 bucks. an hour job waiting for you and you can and you can negotiate you're in a position of negotiation when you are the oh my heck yeah totally like i'm we've had to travel a little bit and abe works

at jimmy johns we should have a whole episode where i tell you jimmy johns stories from abe oh my word really oh no is it gonna be got no one to eat jimmy johns today it's definitely not the food okay the customers not the food all right food food's great customers are insane and then also uh the the sort of working climate is pretty funny anyway so if you ask him you say hey what do we learned at jimmie johns he'll say i've learned a lot about making sandwiches but more about life it's pretty funny um but also like you know he can miss a bunch and ask for raises and they are just like desperate to keep anybody it's it's interesting now let's let's back up and say one other thing i think like in relationships or in friendships or or or something you everything always looks

a little shinier when you start right right and then let's say you get married and now the person who used to be you know all sunshine and rainbows actually smells bad right and so reality starts to step in and i think a lot of people in their jobs have um they got to see how they were treated in an in a in a worldwide emergency and i don't know if they were all treated well and i don't know if, you know, I know there are plenty who have been. I mean, I think you realize the quality of the company, the quality of your partner, the quality of your home life or whatever it might be when sort of the push comes to shove. And I always go back to the Estelle, or Esther Perel's statement I heard her say about that the pandemic has just been an accelerant. Like a thing that was

sort of in utero, in utero, or it was already cracking a little in its foundation, it just sped that up. So a lot of relationships have ended. I mean, this is a, I mean, I don't know the numbers yet, but I can't, I can't believe it is not a big jump in divorce. Like, it has to be. It has to be, right? It's either one of the, it's on or the other. You either, you either hunkered down and went, oh, man, we are the perfect pair. We are the perfect pair. We don't need, you know, any questions we had about our relationship, we're good. Look at what we've done together. We're amazing and we've never been more in love. Or it's the. It's the. the other way, which is probably the more likely way, which is, oh, my gosh, if I don't get away from you, I'm going to Ricky and Lucy this thing and we're going to have separate bedroom.

Right, right. Or even just, you know, your relationship with the company you're working for or the company itself or, you know, the kind of work you do. I think there's accelerants that have happened in lots of. So it really is. And you know, I'm a fan of midlife crisis. I think they're really valuable. It's just that it's timing everyone at once means the housing market sucks. yeah yeah i mean it's and you know for our entire generation they aren't there's not a shot that's not a shot to you know they need to buy a home in 2010 to even have a shot and they don't and it's so there's some economic ramifications that are alarming we'll see what happens but yeah i i think it's uh i think we all need to be real nice to ourselves because this is this is a transition you know of course we never assumed oh the transition back to normal would be yay let's do it No one ever thought, you know, let's hesitate. Let's really think this through.

Sure. And unfortunately, I think not thinking it through or not, it's difficult. And so when I say this to Q, hey, go talk to someone. I'm also realizing full well, there's no one out there to talk to because not one of my colleagues, myself included, have five minutes to spare. Like, it is, and it came on, it's like, vaccinate, everyone go to therapy. Yeah. so it's something else someone someone they got their second Pfizer two weeks later they're banging at your door to like all right finally talk somebody in a room yeah i you know that's fun it's also funny to see

how certain i don't know certain aspects of society get a boost out of this for good or for bad it's like in the case of more therapy is probably a good thing but but there are plenty of examples of like yeah alcohol sales are pretty high right now and uh You know, recreational weed and states that have it couldn't be doing better. Well, there's a reason. So anyway, I hope. Well, the roaring 20s didn't happen for not a reason. No, it's true.

So if you're listening today to this queue, wherever you are, please let us know how all of that goes for you. And I hope that gets better for you. That feeling of disassociation when you don't want it there is kind of miserable. You feel like you're not who you are. And having experienced a little of that in my life, I feel for you. So let us know how things turn out for it. We'd love to hear back. Wendy, with all the things you're doing and as busy as you are,

RealSteps.org is still a thing. People should get out there and check it out. It's still a thing. Yep. We start back up in August and it's going to be great. That's like no time. And you're something cool. I've been a little off the radar trying to kill my brain with the sandy beaches of Alabama South.

and it's starting to work. Anyway, no, but our group has been meeting every Monday since our last one. So they've got a little ongoing thing going. It's like the chat room you deserve, right? I guess I'm humbled that they would be the chat room I deserve, but they're fantastic. And so that's the best part is making friends with all these good people. Because then if you're part of the August push, you might be able to join that. Yeah, totally.

You're just, you're one of the. gang right immediately so nice well have to have you have a grand uh rest of your week we won't be here next week because you and i will both be uh you know hanging out with family and stuff uh together but it'll be fine sandy beaches i can we don't have any of those kind of things we do have um upity people in the drought i'd like a drought oh you like drought with them oh my gosh do we have a drought for you come on by yeah yeah have we got a drought for you yeah although it's raining today lightly but raining um and the temperature's lower and it's nice. And Park City should be loving the next week. But yeah, I'm just looking forward to seeing

you and the kiddos and all that. So be safe in between and have fun trying to get everything done. I actually, I have a lot of weird sympathy pain for just the constant running around you're doing for two different family reunions plus work, plus everything, plus traveling. I don't know how you're doing it. So. Yeah. And having like all of your calluses faded away, having not been done anything for a year and a half, you're like, oh, people and lines. And I don't know how to, you'll have these baby soft hands now. You can, uh, yeah, I have no social skills. It's really bad. All right. Well, have a good week. We will see you soon. And in between then, have,

uh, safe, good time, I guess. I don't know why I'm saying that twice. We'll see you later. Bye. Bye. She's such a dork with my own sister. All right. Yeah. Uh, there you go. Good stuff there. I hope that helps. I mean, you know, whether we like it or not, a lot of the stuff toward, uh, toward Wendy's end of things is going to be sort of, you know, pandemic-y, uh, how do we fix things that kind of came out of that? It's just kind of going to be the way. I mean, almost every email we get is about that. So in some way or another. So it's kind of hard to, hard to avoid. Um, all that you're going to get today. And some of you get, uh, some of you get, uh, some many cool things from us because you support us on Patreon. Patreon.com slash TMS. Continue to do so, and we'll continue to make it. For example, we're doing a play date tomorrow at 2 p.m. Mountain Time. It'll be the last time you get to see Brian Abbott before his ride.

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