The Morning Stream - TMS 2163: Send Your Emails To 2012

Episode Date: August 19, 2021

Gene Hackman, President of the Nipplefolk. White Guy Dancing for Everyone. Two Ciders and a Benadryl. What do the Irish do when theyâre weird? Shave your head for the job you want. Does this spot look infected? Jamming 70 Jupiters Together with Bobby. Smoke Rain everyday! Cheeky Jell-O Shots. 4:20 Shenanigans. That Man Came Out Of Nowhere. hawkeye? Hawkeye? Not like Hawkeye? Uranus has a ring around it. Fen-Phen Diagrams with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Does this great red spot look infected? Jamming 70 Jupiters together with Bobby. Smoke rain every day. Cheeky jello shots. 420 shenanigans. It's like you continue the song. I like it. Yeah, yeah.

That man came out of nowhere. Huckai? Hucka? Not like Hockai? Uranus has a ring around it. And Fenn diagrams with Wendy and more on this episode of the morning stream. Yeah. Was the space rabbit or what's his deal?

Yeah. Travages is a space rabbit, man. Yeah? That's what you think, super nerd? This is the M-S-D-D-S-S-S-S-S-D. From hell's heart. I podcast at thee. This is the morning stream.

Oh, look at the spring and Brian step over there. Man, get some... Lots of coffee. Moving and grooving this morning. Yeah, you keep forgetting. I like to dance during that a little bit, and, you know... Yeah, it's very nice. Some white guy dancing for everybody.

Enjoy it. Did you say, I mean, I could say... I mean, this doesn't guarantee it, but it seems like you maybe slept better than I did. So, congratulations. Well done. I did, yes. Apparently the right combination for me is two ciders, a jello shot, and a Benadry. drill, and I can sleep right until six in the morning.

Boom. You finally found the combo. The cocktail that will keep Brian from waking up in the middle of the night. Nice. Exactly, yes. Not me. I asked for it by name. I woke up at exactly 420.

Time to wake and bake, I guess. Yeah, clearly. But it's, yeah, it was for other dumb reasons. My wife made this amazing stew yesterday, and the kids were over. We all had food together, and it was great. I ate too much of it, and so I was up all night with, like, heartburn, and that's fun. So I was dealing with that, and then, yeah, just couldn't freaking sleep. And then I had a weird dream, and then I couldn't sleep because of that, so I slept bad.

Oh, and also the rain came, and you might think, oh, that'll clear the skies, all that smoke, it'll get cleared out. Well, Brian, sometimes when you have your own fires, the rain puts out those fires, and now there's new smoke from the fire you just put out. Well, you know, glass half full, rain put out the fires? I mean, yeah, there's that. But now everything smells like we're in the middle of a forest and it's on fire and it's just low in the valley and it sucks and it's wet too. So it's kind of a humid kind of smoke, which means it's all in your lungs and freaking sucks. Is that the ultimate example of our relationship on this show? Oh, the rain came and put out the fires and now all that smoke is just hanging in the air and it stinks.

yeah but the rain put out the fires it's right it's a there's a positive you're right there's a there is a john lennon paul mccartney kind of dynamic going on here there is there is and i'm bringing the annoying uh asian lady to the band practices and you guys are all irritated with me and i just can't make and can't stop making rhymes like obla d obla da exactly and you're just you're the handsome one too which is the problem not well no i'm the cute one in the all the cute one Paul McCarney was the cute one. Right. Who was the handsome one?

George? There was no handsome one. There was the quiet one, the cute one, the one that got a token song on every album to sing. The one that was lucky to be there at all. That's weird. Yeah, what was, uh... Was John the... John Lennon, what was he?

Was he the sensitive one? I don't know if he was sensitive or if he was like just really, like, I don't know, soulful or like... Yeah, right. Just unhappy with everything. A heartfelt one, well, not really unhappy with everything, but was more philosophical, which I think, again, is kind of our dynamic, you know, I'm, you know. You're a, hey, I'm going to Vegas, and I'm going, oh. I'll throw yeah, yeah, yes after everything while you say, I was looking in the sky and I saw a cloud and it looked like a dog and I thought about my dog.

And I don't rhyme it at all. Right, exactly, yes. Yeah, and then Brian's over there going, oh, can we need to make that rhyme. I got to write this down. This is some great songwriting here. Well, yeah, quality writing. You need to really flesh out.

Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay, so I had this dream. We've got to talk about it. I don't have my cards here. I move them where'd they go. I don't matter. I don't think it's in there. Why, how dare you move the cards?

I know. I don't know what I did. I moved some stuff around today or yesterday. But the, okay, so it's not in there is the problem. Okay, it's not in the cards. No, not that it's not in the cards, everybody. This is a really weird one. In this dream, before I woke up at 4.420,

uh, everybody's last name was Nipple in the world. Now, this seemed totally normal in the dream. Everybody's referring to, everybody is Mr. Nipple. Nipple. Hello, Mr. Nipple. Hi, Nipple. Uh, J. Nipple. You know, everyone was Nipple. Sure. And it seemed fine in the dream. He's the Sherman, Mr. Nipple.

Yeah, basically. It's like Whipple and Nipple were just, stopped. And then also, Gene Hackman was president during this entire thing. So, President Gene Hackman, at his age now, which is like 94 or something. Oh, really? Okay. So super old, just a reedy old thing. What movie, there were, there's at least one movie where Gene Hackman played the president, isn't there? There's the one, no way out, he played the vice, or no, vice president? I thought it was a secretary of defense or something, right? No. I look that up.

That's the Costner deal. Absolute power looks like Gene Hackman is the president. Gotcha. President Alan Richmond. So you dreamed about absolute power. I must. And I don't think I've seen that. Oh, and everyone was named a nipple in that movie.

Oh, now it's all coming together. Yeah, I don't even think I've seen absolute power. So I don't know where this idea came from. And the only connection I have with Gene Hackman lately is I did look him up, I don't know. couple of weeks ago just to see how he's doing yeah he's seen fine somebody keep an eye on him because we've talked about him on the show now yeah he's he's up there too he's getting up there yeah 94 i think let's see it can confirm this he was born 19 he was born in 1930 so that makes him uh help me with the math 90 oh uh let's see so uh it'd be 72 2000 90 plus 2 or plus

one, so 91.992. 91.92, okay. Depending on when in the year he was born. And he still, you know, seems fine. Boy, talking about it makes me nervous because... I know. I know. He's, you know, he's, it's precarious. He's born January 30th. So he's January 30th, so he is 91 years old. He has had a birthday this year.

Nice. Popeye Doyle. Well done on your birthday. Popeye Doyle. Wow, that's a good deep cut. And a reminder, he hasn't made a movie since Welcome to Mooseport in 2004. It has been a while now. It's been 16 years since he was in anything. Oh, and Welcome to Mooseport City and reminds us. He plays a former U.S. President. Oh, I didn't know that.

It was retired and cajoled into running for town council. So not just absolute power, but welcome to Mooseport. Yeah, and he was a royal in the Royal Tannenbombs and actually named Royal Tannenbaum. Oh, he was a Tannenball or Tannenbaum. Oh, he used his first name was Royal. It was Royal, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Gosh, dang it. I love that movie. That is such a great movie. So good. All right, anyway. Gene Hackman, we love you and we miss you. We hope you're okay. But for whatever reason, he was president of the nipple nation.

Nipple, nation of nipples. Wow. In the dream, it was all just like we were doing, going around doing our thing. Until it got cold. Until I got cold. Once some of us had weird hair, it's sticking out. It would only come out when it was cold. Yeah.

Some of us lactated. It was hard to keep up with who and when, but yeah, we were, it was weird. And I don't know how to, I don't know that there's no card for this. There's no, really, there's no help for this. Yeah, I don't even know what you'd look for in the cards. Like, celebrity has to be one of the cards, dreaming about a celebrity. That's true. So I could get the Hackman part taken care of probably.

Yeah, but I don't know about the nipples. Yeah, I mean, there's naked people, but that doesn't count, I don't think. We're just talking about names. Because you didn't see any nipples in your dream. No, yeah, that's the other thing is there's, there's, zero nudity of any sort and there was no you know no reference to nipples as body parts uh or aspects but only just names like this is mrs nipple oh hello i'm mr nipple and welcome to uh the nipple home and you know like that kind of thing yeah yeah it was a pg nipple

nipple dream yes j c jay hammondsey you're right a pg nipple dream yeah pg nipple dream is my uh that's my I counten, actually, PG Nipple Dream. When P.G. Nipple Dream talks, people stand up and listen. He sounds like an old-timey, like, film producer, doesn't he? It does, right? Yeah, right. From the studios of P.G. Nipple Dream. I love that name.

It's really good. Rolls off the tongue. All right. Brian, you sent me some photos yesterday, and I must know more. Please explain what happened at the TMS content bar. me out for a mystery date and this is her turn to pick and I really

had no idea at all what she had planned usually you can kind of get an idea like when we did the we always have to tell the other person a few things right like all right well here's what you're going to want to wear we're going to be walking a lot we're going to be outside

we're going to be inside whatever so we have to prepare the other person so that they You know, it's not, oh, we're going for a long walk and you brought high heels and stuff like that. Or we're going to a fancy restaurant and you're in shorts and a dumb Spider-Man t-shirt. Right, right. So, but for this one, she said, yeah, what you're wearing is going to be fine. It's like, oh, well, that's no help. We're going to be inside?

We are going to be inside. Yeah. I said, okay. Are we having dinner? She's like, yep, we're having dinner and the thing is going to take place in the same place as dinner. I'm like, oh, okay, that's a clue. Right? So it's like, oh, we're having dinner.

but there's a thing that happens after the dinner in the same place, in the restaurant or in the place where we're having dinner. So that's the only real clue I had. Okay. Still wasn't enough. I'm thinking, yeah, J-Tam and C, exactly. I was thinking, is Casabinita? I know they're open by reservation right now or something.

There's something going on with Casabinita. Is that a possibility? Sure. Or are we doing to like a dinner playhouse thing, one of those things where you eat, and then there's people who put on a place. play in front of you. So we start heading to downtown, downtown Denver, and we get to this area. And I still, again, I don't know this area very well.

I don't know all the things that are in there. And as around the corner, I see a place called Hamburger Marys. That's a great name. And as soon as I see Hamburger Marys, I know this is probably where we're going and have an idea of what we're doing. hamburger marries is a is known for their drag services there it's a total drag to go in there there it is a real drag yeah it is a restaurant where everybody is in drag all the the weight staff and well some of the weight staff is not wearing much yeah let alone drag but it's a

the only reason the only thing i can think of for the name why it's called hamburger marries is because, and got brought up a couple times last night, is because the meat is tucked back between the buns. No. That's the only, like, that's the only thing I could come up with for why the place is

called hamburger marries. Amazing. That's amazing. So, uh, so yeah, we go in there and it is drag bingo. And, um, drag bingo. Uh, it's, it's, it's,

headed up by two men dressed as women who are calling out numbers, and it is absolutely an R-rated kind of deal there. And there's a couple over there, actually a whole family over there, that in town for, you know, a wedding and the bride and groom or the newlyweds are there at the table and all the old family is there. And the elderly members of the family look like this is the worst thing they've ever uh oh my gosh i didn't think about that some of those people are just going because that's where they were told to go yes exactly oh my lord i mean i was going there because i was told to go there although this is a place i told tina this i said i'm glad you picked this for a mystery day because if you didn't i was planning on taking her there for a drag brunch some saturday

or sunday morning because they do a they do a uh a really good brunch service up there um burger by the way. I had a hula girl, which is a beef patty with a pineapple chutney, bacon, and a terriaki glaze. Oh, I know you like the pineapple burgers. Yeah, it's like the bonsai burger at Red Robin, but it's easier. This one is easier to eat because it is just a big chunk of grilled pineapple on the on the patty. Right. So it sounds good. I would eat it right now. It sounds wonderful. So while we were actually sitting there enjoying our meal before before the drag bingo started, We were approached by a guy who was wearing, I'm trying to remember, I mean, a jock strap, I think suspenders of some sort, and that's pretty much it. Yeah. I'm sure I'll chat this guy right now.

And I send Scott a photo. Basically, there's the way I do it. I send Scott a photo when this guy's on the absolute other side of the restaurant facing away from us. So the butt cheeks are in full view. But it's a big photo. And I figure Scott's going to like zoom in and start looking around to see what's going. on this photo. And I'm just imagining when he like zooms in and slides over to a certain spot, it's like, oh! I know. That guy came out of nowhere, man. It was like, whoa, hold on. Because otherwise, I'm seeing the backs of like you said.

Like, here's like an old lady. Emily's and a couple. Sure. Right, exactly. It's not what I expected to see that. Yes. And this guy was going around. His name is Cody. He was very, very nice. Cody was walking around with a tray of jello shots

and offering there were $3 for a jello shot $4 if he serves it to you, meaning he opens the container and pours the jello shot into your mouth, $5 if you'd like to consume said jello shot off of his bare buttocks. No! Yes. Really, literally a slurp my butt kind of situation there. That's what gross got out the most, I can tell you right now.

It's funny because you said, you guys want jello shot? He was like, oh, I'm sorry, I can't. And I said, sure, I'll do one. And so I got one. And he says, do you want to do it off my butt? I'm like, oh, no, thank you. I'm good. Yeah, yeah.

He says, I've showered. Well, I haven't. Yeah, go on about your day. Gross. Yeah, I'm not interested. That's gross. Clearly, nobody during the whole time we were there. He went around, sold all his jello shots, and came back and refilled his tray a couple times.

And he never, nobody ever. took the jello shot off of the butt cheeks. That's, I'm really glad. I would have liked to have seen. Yeah, I mean, as far as you observing and saying, oh my gosh, I can't wait to tell everybody on the show about this. I am pro this, but man, you don't want to be that guy. Right, right.

I have all for somebody in this restaurant doing it, but it ain't going to be me. It's not going to be me. So he's got like a 20 or something stuff back there in his little. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was making money, money. Monday. He's making money hand over fist.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. selling those jello shots doing well and not having pockets to put that money in but uh i will say he has kind of a cool tattoo he's got wings like a wings tattoo yeah on his back yeah on his upper back some wing a really cool wing tattoo thing so um so and then a trucker hat like a freaking flatbrim hat which is a little weird but it isn't wear that with the bunny ears on i don't know if you can see the bunny ears on that hat a little bit oh no not in the shot you're right i can't like a louise kind of situation oh can you okay i got a question brian also

sent me as bingo card. They weren't trying to make a wiener out of your bingo card, right? That was a thing. What's that? They actually tried to make a wiener out of that card. Well, that was the goal. So I'm glad you asked that. So the photo I sent you right before that shows the, um, what you're trying to get for bingo. And the first one is any bingo across the board, any line, blah, blah, blah. And then another one is, um, small square or big square, which of course they called, uh, tight hole. and loose hole. But the two squares around, the free space in the middle, inner and outer squares that you can make there. And then the one I sent you was, for lack of a better term, you can see it in the photo beforehand, the TV behind the drag queens.

Yeah, the old C&B over there. There you go, exactly. That's as far as I'm going to go. C&B. And I showed you that card because Tina won. Oh. That is Tina's card, and Tina won bingo with C&B, and it had to go up front, and they looked over her card and said, oh, yeah, you've got C&B, and you're sitting with C&B as well, and I'm like, ha, ha, yeah. Yeah, you kind of wave, because you're C&B.

I gave it what they did. Right, exactly. She won a gift card, a fanny pack full of 360 vodka prizes, like 360 vodka is a sponsor. No vodka in the fanny pack, but. But like a, you know, pop socket thing and whatever else is in there. I haven't really looked. But some other 360 vodka merchandise. And one of those tall, fragile leg drinks.

Oh, way. Like the one I had in Vegas years ago. I remember that. Yeah. Yes. So now we have matching frigile leg. drinks, but we can take that back to hamburger marries anytime

and probably go for brunch sometime and they'll fill it with frozen pinia colada or margarita or something like that. Well, the thing that makes a place like this work absolutely function and make it so it doesn't go under, because these are all fun gimmicks and everything is the food has to be good

and it sounds like the food is good. Food is great. Yeah, Tina had a mac and cheese, a southwest mac and cheese, which was awesome. I tried a little bit of that and it was really good. My burger was really good. I'm sure they toss a mean salad in that place. Oh, yeah. You know they do. Somebody call a lot of the menu. Yeah, call Jellowshot, man. He'll take care of whatever you need. That dude. And between every couple rounds of bingo, they would do an actual show. Like one of the queens would disappear into the back room for a little

while, come out in an outfit, and then lip sync an entire song and walk around the bar. And and, you know, collect tips and get up in people's faces and sing to them and that sort of thing. And I sent you a photo of the second show, which was Tony Braxton's Unbreak My Heart. I was going to ask what she was singing, but now it makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense because that is the total Tony Braxton look. Are you putting those on screen, by the way? Yeah, they're seeing all these as we do it. Cool.

What's with the wheel back there? Is that part of the bingo thing? Yeah, it's part of the bingo. So after you win, you spin that wheel. And twice, that wheel landed on get a lap dance from Cody. Good old Cody and his jello shot tray. And is wearing like four straps of clothing on his body. Cody was really good at giving the lap dances.

I'll say that. I didn't, neither Tina nor I got one. But it was directly in front of our table. Like we could have poked him with a fork while he was doing a lap dance. It was that close. Wow. And is he the only one like this? Like there's not like three of him.

He's the only one dressing like that in that whole place. Yeah. Right. You had him in that outfit. You had the two drag queens. And then everybody else was just in like shorty shorts and tight t-shirts and stuff. Nice. All right.

Where is this downtown Denver somewhere? Like right in the middle of town. Denver, 17th Street. Basically there is a great restaurant row of like all of our high-end restaurants. some good local eateries and expensive local eateries. It's all down 17th Street on the east side of downtown Denver. And yeah, I highly recommend this place. If you come to Denver and you want to do a drag brunch or go play drag bingo or whatever.

I mean, you could even go there not when they're doing a thing. Yeah. And if you want a freaking lap dance from Chad, the guy with a hat and a jello shot, Trey, he's up for it. He's up for it. For sure, for sure. Yeah. So, fun. Yeah, it was a blast.

Well done, Tina. Tina picked a good one for you there. She did. I know. I don't know how I'm going to top that next week, next month. Oh, I know. I can take her to another country. Oh, there you go.

That's a, I can stop that. Not even a mystery, I guess. I don't even know if I can count any of that as a mystery day. Maybe we'll go get, uh, there's some mystery day thing we'll do while we're there or something. Yeah. It would be some weird thing.

Uh, let's see. What do the Irish do when they're weird? I can't think of anything. What are the Irish doing they're weird? Yeah, what do they do when they're weird? They call into the show and tell you to undock you out of Swatch. Oh, yeah, that's what they do. They tell you to undock your switch.

Yeah, Jeff Canada lives here now. He just moved to Denver, so we've got to pull him into the Denver Tadpool Group. That's pretty good. Yeah, do that. Also, let's do this. Right now, right here, oh, if I can balance three things at once, I'm going to play a little thing for you, and you'll know what it means when I play it. Hold on. Where is it? Okay, here it is.

I think signs. I'll make you go poo-poo. Look who it is in his wacky shirt. It's Bobby Frankenberger. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you doing? Moving in on Brian's shirt business? No kidding.

Yeah, Brian, you're not the only one. That's the same one I have, as matter of fact, with all the little Hidden Avengers in there. Yeah, look at that. It's got the Avengers and Palm Trees and... Yep. You look like Hawkeye. So Hawkeye has a shirt like this on MASH, and my daughter, Carter, has convinced me to be Hawkeye for Halloween this year because she has a shirt just like that. So you wear that, you wear a green, like a...

Yep, fatigue-looking T-shirt. underneath it. And I'm going to wear a hat, like one of his stupid hats and they have a little fake martini glass. That's my plan. That's going to be great. Listen, Bobby, just because you got to fill in for me last week doesn't mean you get to fill in the wardrobe department too.

You dress for the job you want. That's right. That's good advice. Shave your head and we'll talk. Yeah, yeah. That might be a step. That's the deal breaker? Yeah.

Yeah, that ain't going to happen. Well, Bobby, welcome back. Bobby's here to do our science segment, of course, and runs his own little show called All Around Science. And today we thought we talked about everyone's favorite planet, Jupiter. Yeah, that's right. Big-ass thing floating out there. You don't think about it too much.

You heard about it in school. But really, how often do you, like, think back on Jupiter? Well, today you're going to be forced to, okay? We're not going to talk about delta variants or epsilon variants or all this other shit going on in the world. We're going to talk about a planet. We'll talk about that later. Yeah, we'll talk about that later.

when Wendy gets here. Instead, it'll be, hey, a planet and cool facts about it. So Bobby, why should I give two shits about Jupiter these days? Yeah, well, I am a big fan of just talking about anything science related just for the sake of it because I just like geeking out about it. But I didn't just randomly pick Jupiter that it was motivated by something. Right now, Jupiter is in, it's what's called in opposition. and that doesn't you know disagreeing with us right now it's in opposition to everything that we do and so we're we're going to war

with the Jovians the Jovians sweet let's go no when a planet is in opposition what that means is that it's lined up with the sun and then the earth and then that planet all in a straight line

with the earth between the sun and that planet. And that's called in opposition. So Jupiter is lined up right now. And what that means is that it's as bright in the skies as it's going to be. And it's great for viewing with the naked eye. You can see it very easily or with a telescope and stuff like that. So I thought, let's talk about that.

How you can see it if you want to go see it and step outside and see it. And some fun Jupiter facts. Can you see the big, can you see the big storm thing, spot, whatever it is? What's it called? The Great Red Spot. Yeah, the Great Red Spot. So probably, definitely not with your naked eye. Probably not with a telescope you have at home.

But you can see that with some more high-powered telescopes. Like if you're really into astronomy and you have one of those, like, really fancy ones, you might be able to see the Great Red Spot. And that thing, for the record, that thing's just a big permanent storm, right? Just never can stop. that's a fun fact that wasn't on my list but uh but it is it's um it's just a big storm that's been it's been raging for

oh i don't know for as long as we've been able to see the see the planet in enough detail but probably i don't know for i don't want to give a number but i think it's in the order of thousands of years thousands of years that thing raging never stop and always on that's just that's such a strange concept like and never multiple like there's there's always one red spot, there's never two, and there's never zero. Like, you know, that storm didn't collapse in on itself or spawn a second storm that kind of went off. I think on the galactic scale, what needs to happen is Jupiter needs to go to see its primary care physician.

Is this a problem? Does this look infected? Yeah. Do I need to get it removed? Like, what are we going to do? That's a long time. Also, it's got a little bit of a gas problem. Yeah.

Because the color actually is coming, is likely from the storm like dredging up other stuff from deeper into the planet. So maybe it does need to be looked at. Well, someone said it's shrinking in the chat. Is that true? I don't know if that's a fact. It is shrinking. It's about half the size of what it was when it was first discovered. Oh, really?

Okay. Yeah. And it will eventually go away, but scientists think that it's very likely that another one will pop up to replace it when it does finally. Interesting. Okay. Well, that makes sense. All right. What else do we have in terms of some cool factual information about this big planet we can see now?

Well, like I said, you can go outside and see it. It's out at night, and it'll rise as the sun's going down. And that's again, because it's in opposition. So you're not going to, if you're facing the sun, then you're facing away from Jupiter right now. So it'll be there all night and it'll rise

It'll rise just in the southeast of the sky, and it'll slowly move across the south of the sky, and then set in the southwest by sunrise. And so if you want to go out at night and see it, it'll be the brightest object in the night sky, except for the moon. The moon is always the brightest, but it'll bring the brightest object you can see in the night sky, and it's pretty bright. I saw it not too long ago before it got to opposition a few weeks ago. just happened to notice it when I was out. We were in Charleston, actually, on vacation. Any tricks to the trade for people living in a shroud of smoke from wildfires? We're screwed.

We can't see this thing. It's not going to happen. Yeah, move somewhere where there's no smoke. That's all you can do. Sweet. Or somehow fly above the smoke. Yeah. It will be around until you'll be able to easily see it until the end of August.

So if smoke clears up, I don't know. I've never lived out there, so I don't know how quickly that stuff clears up for you guys. But if it does clear up, you should still be able to see it by the end of August. Okay, so it's at least a chance to see it. I've got a friend with a really powerful telescope, and he'll pull that out once in a while when something weird or cool happens. And even, like, in this horrendous smoke, there's an opportunity to like to look at the sun in a way that you can't normally

because it's so shrouded. You can actually kind of look at it without, you know. That's pretty cool. Without the bad stuff of looking at it. If you do have a telescope, which your friend seems, seems to have. And especially if it's a more powerful one, but maybe also with a typical run-of-the-mill telescope, you might be able to see four of Jupiter's biggest moons. They're actually able to be seen, not with a naked eye, but with a telescope, you can see them. They're called the Galilean moons. They're the first four moons that were discovered. They were discovered by, you know, you could guess Galileo. Galileo, Galileo. Yeah, we actually had a trivia question about the moons because two of them are bigger than Mercury. They're like the eighth and ninth biggest things in the solar system, Titan and Ganymede?

Yes, Ganymede is one of them. And the four, Titan's not one of the Galilean moons, but the four Galilean moons are I-O, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto. Callisto, that's it, yeah. Oh, right, right, right. Titan is Saturn. Saturn, right. Some gnarly shit went down on. some of those moons in the books for the expanse and the TV show.

So, Ganymede. Telling you, some dark stuff. That's right. It's a pretty serious fiction, but still, happened. So let me ask you this. How big is the Earth compared to that? Because I'm looking at a picture of the Earth that looks like a marble next to the red spot. It's like tiny.

Several Earth-sized planets could fit across the diameter of the red spot. I don't know, I don't have an exact number on me, but several could. Yeah, that's just nutty looking because this image that I'm showing the chat shows that it's just like one of, I don't know, like you said, probably four or five of these marbles could fit inside the storm. And if you think about, yeah, just the storm. Jeez, that's crazy. So you think about like if, you know, there was always this thing growing up where you'd have this cool idea if you were on Jupiter, the gravity was so much, you know, more because they're on a giant mass. planet that's way bigger than ours, that if you could survive there,

you'd just be these massively hulky strong people. If you went back to Earth, you could just kick everybody's ass. I used to love that story. That was such a great idea, right? I remember it was like Omni Magazine or Cosmos, the TV show showed what creatures that lived on Jupiter

would look like, like these big floating bags of gas that have these long tendrils pointing to the ground and they just kind of float along in the the gassy atmosphere of the of the planet yeah people people like to speculate what it would be like i think they thought at one point also that if there was any life on the gas giants that it was probably would just be some sort of like microbial life floating around in the clouds sure um but speaking of size comparisons between jupiter and earth uh jupiter is way bigger than the earth obviously

but you could fit hundreds of Earths inside of Jupiter, but actually Jupiter is two and a half times more massive than all of the other planets combined. Oh, my Lord. Oh, wow. Like every other planet, if you were to make a super planet out of all of them, then it would still be, Jupiter would still be two and a half times more massive

than all of those other planets. So you could fit the entire solar system within Jupiter's radius or its volume. Well, I'm not sure about size. Because remember, one thing to know, size and mass are different. Right, right, right. So we're just talking about the masses, which is how much stuff is in there. But, yeah, you could, if you take all the stuff, not including the sun, all the stuff from those planets, you could fit it inside of Jupiter.

Even a couple of moons even, just cram them in the corner there. And you'd have a... Just all sorts of, some asteroids from the asteroid belt, just cram stuff in there. There's plenty of... shove it all in. There's plenty of room for everything. Yeah, careful, though, because... The bag of holding of our soulways. The bag of holding in space.

I love it. Is there a... So we know that, obviously, Jupiter and Saturn, both gas giants. Is there a... A small planet core, like a hard core in the center of each of those, that this gas is floating around? Just nougat. Yes. Yes, actually. Jupiter's core is...

This is really cool. Jupiter's core is made of liquid. metallic hydrogen. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Hold on now. So metal. So it's metal? Sort of. Okay. Not really. Hydrogen is a weird element because it's not really a metal, but it has the properties of metal at really high pressures. What makes a metal a metal is that all the nuclei of the atoms are really close together to form a solid.

But the electrons are free floating between all of them. They're not bound to one particular atoms. So they call it an electron C. And so all the nuclei of the atoms are really close together, but the electrons are shared and move between all of them. And that's what happens to hydrogen at a really high pressure is all the hydrogen nuclei get kind of locked together in place, and then they share their electrons.

Interesting. So it has the properties of a metal, but it's cool. It's pretty sci-fi to imagine liquid metallic hydrogen. It's right up there with transparent aluminum and, you know, this Star Trek. Star Trek bull crap, yeah, yeah. Once we're done conquering Mars, is Jupiter the next thing? Like, you know, we're, you know, we've got our little, our little machine on Mars running around, taking pictures and getting soil samples and looking for evidence of water and stuff like.

that. Is Jupiter the next thing that we focus on? It'd have to be a drone, right? Because it can't land anywhere. Even the core which, if anything, made it down to the core, would just be crushed because of the pressures. But even if it was able to make it down there, it's liquid.

It's got to just float around, hover around and not try and land on anything. It would just have to float around. It would be interesting to live on Jupiter. Jupiter's day, even though it's so big, it spins. faster than every other planet. So its day is only 10 hours long.

Oh, man. But, uh, so that'd be, we'd have to change, we'd have to have some lifestyle changes there. Yeah. Definitely would not get to sleep very long. Today is my sleeping day. Uh, tomorrow I'm awake all day. I think, I think people, I think people always assume, well, because it's so much bigger, it'd be like a 90 hour day or something, but it's not.

It's fast. It's spin so quickly. Yeah, the more, as a rule, um, as a general rule of thumb, the bigger something is, the faster it spins because of physics. I'm not, I won't explain it. Let me ask you this. Here's a question. It's made of mostly hydrogen. Hydrogen,

as we know, at least here on Earth, when exposed to the right conditions, is a very combustible element. Yeah. Are there, I'm not looking for a disaster here. Could we light Jupiter on fire? Or could it be lit on fire by

either natural means or, you know, something collides with it or whatever? Like, is that thing our ticking time bomb in the... The fire also needs oxygen, so I don't know how that will... Oh, good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. So maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe there's no way this ever... You know, it's been there long enough. You have to have some sort of accelerant is what oxygen is referred to when it comes to combustion.

And so, Brian, I think, kind of has it right. It's also a mixture of hydrogen and helium, so I don't know how that affects that. But if it were to, if the pressures were to get high enough, then it would get hotter and hotter, it could start to fuse hydrogen and helium together and basically turn into a star because that's, some people, some people will refer to Jupiter as a failed star, like it didn't quite get enough mass to turn into a star. I don't know that that's quite so accurate because it would have to be like 70 times more massive. sure to turn into a star so it has to be a lot bigger um but there's nothing stopping it from if you jammed 70 jupiters together it would the pressures would get so great because it's so massive that it would likely just under the forces of its own pressure ignite and start maybe it's like my sister my sister had to have those her ovaries removed because one of them

because uh she didn't know it but she had a twin uh growing inside of her that stopped at like It had some teeth, some hair, and like an eyeball. Actually, the eyeball, I make that part up. But the rest of it was there. And they took it out and they're like, oh, yeah, that would have been your twin. Maybe this was that. It was like a, you know, just got far enough to barely be anything. It's a little bit of teeth and hair and genetic material.

But at the end of the day, it just didn't have what it took. And the other twin made it. And that's our son. Maybe that's the deal. That sounds like a perfect analogy. Yeah, exactly. It's fun to think of, though. isn't it? It's fun. It's a good time.

Nail head hit. Yep. Well done. Mailed it. So, the other question I have about this thing is if we, you say it's a bunch of helium also, right? Does that mean like if we had suits

that were good enough to go down there and we finally figured out a way that man could go and like explore the atmosphere and, you know, dig down into the gases and see how dense it is and all that, would we all be oh, hey everybody, I'm at the middle of the thing? Would that happen, would it make our voices all effed up or no?

I don't know, because it's, again, it's mixed with hydrogen as well, so I don't know how that would, how that would work. I don't think it's safe to breathe so much hydrogen, so maybe not, but it's, it's definitely something, people talk about mining helium and hydrogen from gas giants one day, 100, you know, much, just on the much distant future. Oh, kind of a Lando-Calrizian deal. You build a cloud city. It's been sure. Yeah. Why not? Build a little station in the clouds of Jupiter.

Yeah. You could have a guy that worked for you that doesn't say anything, but he has a cool, like, robot thing around his head. Headphones. Yeah. Digital readout headphones. Instead of robot, you call them Lobot. It'll be fantastic.

I'm looking forward to our future. Lots of little robots that just ask people how many languages they speak. Uh-huh. Yeah. How many languages do you speak? would say. I was Jabba's Palace, Bobby. Oh, sorry.

Revoke my nerds part. Well, all right. This is all great. And we could probably go on forever, but we've got Wendy coming up soon, so we won't. But anything else you want to, any other big Jupiter bombs you want to land on us before we go? Oh, geez. Jupiter bombs. Jupiter bombs.

Sounds like a tasty dessert. It does, actually. Not really. I guess if you want to see. Saturn. Saturn's also out and it's easy to find. I told you how to find Jupiter. It's the brightest thing in the sky except for the moon.

But if you find that, then all you have to do is look to the right of Jupiter by like hold your arm out and it's about a hands width to the right of Jupiter. So you can find Jupiter and Saturn pretty close together. That's neat.

And if you do have a powerful telescope or a decent telescope, you might be able to see Saturn's rings. Yeah, I'd love to, those are the things want to see when you talk about Saturn, right? Nobody cares about anything but the damn rings. Jupiter has rings. Yeah, it does, right? They're just super faint or smaller or whatever? They're just a lot smaller. There's one at the, not the base.

One of the other ones too. Uranus or Neptune also has a ring and I can't remember which one it is. So I'm looking at a photo of Jupiter and when it's, this makes no sense because we're thinking of it is up and down and right and left, but when you tilt it or you're looking at a certain part of its axis, whatever

its pole is, there's a ring down at the bottom, like a smaller like it's weird it's not like right around the center the way we think of Saturn it's like at the bottom of Jupiter just kind of down there like a little crown it's weird it's freaking weird I'm gonna look that up yeah you gotta go find that I'm looking at this image here and as you know anything you find on the internet randomly must be absolutely accurate yeah that's how we do research for our podcast right the first thing we find on the internet we talk about it look that Google University uh certificate I have didn't earn itself okay I had to do the work

Well, all right. Maybe one day we'll get more into the Saturn business, because I'd love to know why that thing has such prominent rings, why they're right around the center and what that even means and why are other planets? Like, why is our, why isn't Earth have some cool rings? That'll be on another segment where we talk about planets. You guys. Teaser. Teaser. That's what that's called in the business. Hey, Bobby, speaking to teasers, tell people where they can get more of your cool show and why it's rad. Well, the podcast is called All Around Science. And me and my. co-host talk about science every week and what's in science news and then just fun, interesting things that we like to talk about in science. And this week, tonight, what we're going to be recording, we're talking, and it'll be out on Monday. We're going to be my co-host's feature. She's talking about vaccines and pregnancy because there's a lot of misinformation out there about COVID and vaccines and pregnancy. And she's tired of it. So she's going to clear it all up for you. So if you're interested in hearing about that, you should check out

all around science. I am in full agreement with that idea. And by the way, someone in the chat tells me that that is the Southern Aurora, not rings. Oh, that blue. Oh, yeah. They just found out that Jupiter has Aurora recently, or they've photographed it or something. Gotcha. Okay. Well, it's not a

ring then. I mean, it's a ring of sorts. It looks like a ring. It's in a red formation. You're not wrong about that. Yeah. So take that, Internet. I was right all along. Bobby, have a great week and we'll see you next time. Bye now.

All right, that was fun. Cool. I like planet shit. Yeah, I do too. Oh, okay, Terry Z says that both Uranus and Neptune have ring systems. I knew one of them did. I didn't realize both of them did.

So you're, you've got rings around your anus? I do. And as soon as I can get some bleach, some approved bleach, I'll take care of that. Oh, yeah, you can get your bumhole bleached. That's the thing you can do.

I think Cody probably had his bumhole bleach. Leach. Look, if you're going to keep a jello shot in there, you've got to keep a bleach. Yeah, why not? All right, we're going to, we have five minutes. So I'm going to do one news story, which will give us a chance to talk about Coverville. So here you go, everybody, enjoy this. It's the news, and it's brought to you by.

Brought you by Coverville. Yes, it is happening today, celebrating the birthdays of Matt Johnson and Roland Orzabal. If those names don't ring any bells, they're the lead singers. Actually, Matt Johnson is the nucleus, the core of the band The The The, Johnny Marr was a member for a while from the Smiths, but it's really just been Matt Johnson's joint. So, of course, some The The The The Covers, Rolled Noors a Ball, one of the two lead vocalists of the band, Tears for Fears, probably the more prominent of the two lead vocalists for Tears for Tears for Fears. So, The The, and Tears for Fears on today's coverville. Very nice. Matt Johnson is my brother's name.

And he just had his birthday, so you freaked me out for a minute. Whoa. Was he ever in a band? Was he in a band that did some kind of fun music in the 80s and then got really angry in the 90s? No, no. He was always angry. That's a secret. He's always angry.

Still doesn't really have a full grasp of English. So I don't think he would have done as well given that. But who knows? Good old Matt. Yeah. All right. This one story we're going to do. This is straight from KFC.

this is an important news about your drive-in experience at KFC and other fast food restaurants. They are currently now the king, the crown holder, for the fastest drive-thru. The slowest is Chick-fil-A. So we got a chicken on top and a chicken on the bottom. You could argue the one on the bottom is more actual chicken, and the one at top is maybe not the best chicken ever made. Anyway, KFC will get your stuff done in 283.3 seconds. All right.

They do it in seconds. Is that right? Yeah. They do it in seconds. Sure. Yeah, because that would be, 280 seconds would be, what, four minutes and 40 seconds?

Something like that. It's all, of course, averaged here, but they did it all in seconds. So here are your fastest to slowest, you know, times through the drive-up. And this study was done

during the pandemic. So, in theory, an increased number of pickups and less in-store, one would think. But anyway, KFC, 283.3. Taco Bell in number two position with 310.2 seconds.

It's actually a lot more than the top spot. If you, I don't know, you have to think of it that way. Also, sometimes Taco Bell and KFC, aren't they in the same building? Sometimes, yeah, in Pizza Hut, sometimes all part of the same. Yeah, I wonder if that skews the numbers at all. Mish-Mash. Oh, it might. Yeah. Hardies, 321.6. Carls Jr., 3401.6. Garbage food, don't eat there. Burger King, with 344.3, McDonald's right smack in the middle of this thing with 349.3 seconds.

Duncan Donuts, 351.7. Wendy's at 358.7. And Arby's at 394.2. We have the meats, but they're slow. Yeah, slow meats. And then Chick-fil-A down there with 488.8. Notable names missing from this. Let's see. actually maybe they're all there maybe there are no notable names missing are there any restaurants you can think of that should be on this list but are not

either because they're too slow or they're just not on this list because it's all drive-through so it's got to be placed you know subway obviously no drive-thru in most subways and what's missing I don't know

I mean Hardee's and Carl's Jr. are kind of the same oh no what's the Hartie's equivalent on other parts of the Oh, Hardee's and Carl's Jr. are, I think, are owned. They're the same, depending on what part of the country you're in, right? Yeah, I think so. Oh, yeah, Dairy Queen?

Dairy Queen, kind of. I mean, I know they've got their brazier stuff, but, yeah, you can't really compare Dairy Queen. Yeah, and I also, I mean, I know that, like, in and out is very fast, but they're not national. They're not national. We just got, boy, we got, they've been springing up like crazy here in Denver. So we've got, I think, three or four now. And there's one, yeah, relatively close.

But guess what? Freddies is closer, and between the two, I'll go to Freddy's. Yeah, I kind of prefer Freddy's, too, and I'm getting the choice. I like their ice cream better, even though I can't, even though I can't really eat it. Oh, yeah. Although, I did have an ice cream cone a week ago, and it didn't spike my sugar at all. And that made me happy. yeah that's good i mean your your doctor said you can do some yeah here and there it's just i can't sit down

and eat a tray of oreos you know of course or whatever you got no one should even nobody should you know nobody should you're all pushing yourself for a bad place if you do that so don't do that all yeah oh sonic sonic crystal checkers i like sonic i like sonic i'll eat it a sonic hey local utah people you know what you want you want to go get your utah connection uh you want to go get your uh uh you want to go get your uh J-Dogs, man, if you haven't had J-Dog, if you live here and have never been to J-Dogs, either downtown or the ones in Utah County, holy schmoo, it is the best hot dog you'll ever have in your life, and I could eat that, oh, I could just devour one right the second. I'd only go there if dogs is spelled D-A-W-G-S. I have really good news for you, Brian. It is literally spelled with a W-G-S. Okay, then I'm in.

Yep, it's so good. Oh, my gosh, it's so good. Oh, yeah, Good Times. Well, Good Times is also fairly local. I don't even know. I don't even know if there's good times outside of Colorado, actually. It's not based on the TV show, is it? It's not.

No. Ain't we lucky we got them? No, it's what Hamburger Stans out here turned into. Did you guys have hamburger stand? Yeah, back in the forever ago. I don't think we've had it. The progression for us was Derweiner Schnitzel turned into hamburger stands, turned into Good Times. Oh, I wonder why we didn't

See, I think we still have a Derweiner Schnitzel Here or there Probably do. I don't think we looked at this A few weeks ago And I don't think we found a Derweiner Schnitzel In Colorado anymore They're not good, they're kind of bad Right there

They're bad hot dogs They're not great There is a Zaxpies here We got a burger Or sorry, Burgers and Diesel Or whatever name is He says he misses Zaxby's But Keynes is close enough

We have both Zaxpies and Keynes Oh, Cains. Yeah, I love Cains. Cains, I'd love to see Cains on this list because Cains is popular, hugely popular. When it first opened here, there were lines like In-N-Out Burger lines, and I wonder what their time is on getting food out. Yeah, I've only been able to have it once because it's so bad. Their lines are terrible. Their lines.

Yeah, the food's great. Yeah, it was amazing. That sauce was just, I wanted to soak in it. Oh, yeah. I'm sure it's killing me. Dang, you're making me think I might need to go to. good times or canes today for lunch let her rip dude let her rip it is raising canes the full name yeah raising canes everyone calls it can i just call it canes for short yeah it's very good though

uh i think chicken chicken no not chicken littles what is it slim chickens is all right they they solve my hunger now and again they're not amazing but they're they're good yeah yeah is burgers diesel oh burgers diesel deal oh burgers diesel deal oh burges Diesel is a person in our... Oh. You were just replying to that. I was like, Burger's Diesel. Wow. Is that local? I'll eat there. That sounds great. Yeah, sounds greasy.

Yeah. He says, I'll meet you at Keynes. I guess Burgess Diesel is local. He's he a local? Oh, right. Careful, you're gonna... Yeah, five guys, no drive-through of the five guys. Nope. I wish they did, but they don't. Yeah, they're a little too... They take more time to produce your burger than they could do with a drive-thru. And I love five-thru.

guys love them i could eat five guys any time any day of the week i'll let i'll let i'll let jamy work his magic with that one that was terrible what i didn't even think of it while i said it what the frick all right we're going to take a break when we come back my sister wendy will be here a professional therapist we're going to talk about helping people this week and that'll be after this break with a song that brian had brought what is it yeah all right so uh henry cash of the band Starcrawler, teamed up with Sophia Sky, and formed a new band,

a duo called, wait for it, Cash and Sky. It sounds like coming to ABC, prime time, Cash and Sky. This is great. They just released a single, a two-side single, which in digital terms is, how do you have sides?

But side one is no more candy. Side two was the song I liked even more, which is called Sweeping wet floors. This is from a brand new single from Cash and Sky. Here is Sweeping Wet Floors. It's hard to breathe when you feel like a ghost Can you see me? Can't you feel that I'm close? Feel that I'm close Girl on the run, they've gone the line

You had your fun wasting my time Just one more night dreaming you care. You'll look for me, but I won't be there. You're on my side. Talking in circles, pretending everything's fine. Losing a feeling when it matters most. Can you see me? Can't you feel that I'm close? Feel that I'm close.

Girl on the run, babe on the line. You had your fun, wasting my time Just one more night, dreaming you care You're looking for me, but I won't be there What would it take for you? To tell me be the truth Secrets in your yellow house

Without any proof Girl on the brunt they've on the line You've had your fun wasting my time Just one more night, dream and you care. You'll look for me, my owl won't be there. Girl, all the run, babe, on the line. You've had your fun, wasting my time.

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Plus, it sounds like it was recorded separately, like, stronger than I. I. Like, they just left in his blooper or something. Or he burps Kentucky Fried Computers as he burped. Yeah, I don't know. Superman really let me down in that clip and therefore made a fine clip for TMS. Good job. Superman.

All right. The frick are we doing. Oh, Wendy. By the way, that song you heard was sweeping wet floors by Cash and Sky. S-K-Y. Sky-E. Sky-E. It was a fine addition to the musical pantheon here on the show.

All right. Wendy's coming up and it's going to be like this, see? That's right. My sister Wendy, a actual therapist who works every day to help people with their real problems, comes on here on Thursdays, slums it with the boys and hangs out and talks about stuff here. Hey, Wendy, what's going on? I hear you have some smoke rain. Is that true?

Yeah, we got smoke rain. Smoke rain. We smoke. We had the rain. Normally if it's like somebody else's smoke, like, you know, California or Oregon or something, the rain will wash it away and we don't have smoke anymore. And it's beautiful and it's the best thing ever is to have some rain. But because this rain put out a giant fire in immigration canyon, or no, Parley's Canyon, the one going to Park City, that just put that rain out. And as you know, when you dump water on a fire, it creates a bunch of new smoke. And that smoke is now in the valley and everything taste smells and you know like we're having a forest fire it's horrendous so we'll see well it's also raining today so maybe this will this will be the day where all that clears out yeah maybe it'll go away i don't know and then of course this weekend is john's birthday and we're all dreading that uh so other than that again yeah john's planned massive birthday celebration yes the one he's running the one that he gets to choose everything for uh it's very

odd and it's happening Saturday. So very exciting stuff. And I literally have to go right from a show. We're doing Filmsack that morning. I leave. We run out there. We do that. And then I got to get home before the evening part. He's got a whole other open house part of this thing that he's doing. And he waves. Yeah, it's in waves. And I have to leave that to get back to do another show because it's sponsored and I have to do it. So in a way, it's kind of cool because I'm getting out of it. But I think he's probably mad because it can't be at the whole entire thing. And we've only got, we're only doing a We're a single car household these days, so Kim can't stay because I need the car. You know, I've got to get home.

So anyway, I just would say tonight as you're going to sleep, let your eyes, you know, relax and say, I live in Minnesota. And that means I don't have to go to that thing on Saturday. For real. Yeah. For real. Yeah. I appreciate that. And the lack of smoke grain.

I appreciate that. Yeah, smoke rain sucks. All right. Wendy, we're going to dive right in. we got an email from a listener for those at home who are like oh please don't let this be about pandemic things you know it's sorry it's it's the it's the it's the challenge of the day all right it just is going to be a thing and it's and it's really it's not as much about solely about pandemic things as just the feelings surrounding them and and something else tangentially related

to them so exactly right which is what you know the stuff you're going to have to do i'm sure the next six years are all lined out for Wendy. This is what people are going to come to her with. It will be fallout from this. The effect it had on their families, their jobs, their outlook, their relationships, their neighbors, like all of it, is going to

be affected by this. So, so that's what this is. All right. Yeah, so buckle up. This is my job for the next six years. Yeah, this is what Wendy's doing. You only have to listen to it for 10 minutes on a Thursday. That's right. Exactly. Yes. All right. Well, here's the email. We'll call this person R. So,

don't use their real name. I don't know if they want us to or not, but we'll call them R. Says, hello, morning stream. I was hoping I could bring up a topic that might be helpful to myself and other listeners. I feel like I'm beginning to really struggle with things that are out of my control. I have the ability to recognize those things, but it almost makes it worse as I just reinforces the fact that I can't do anything about them. Boy, how do I relate to this? Examples might be drivers who are casually endangering the lives of others. People defiantly ignoring the simplest of COVID safety protocols, zealous, ideology is being spread on the internet, basically people being dangerously selfishly ignorant.

One part issue, or one particular issue I'm having a hard time with dealing with is this area of the vaccine. I do not want to get the vaccine until it has been approved by the FDA. And even then, I know it will be a concern or sorry, I know I will be concerned about long-term effects. As such, I'm often slided by people who think I'm, who think the same way I do. Don't think the same way I do. We simply don't have enough long-term data on the vaccine or the virus itself, for that matter, for me to be comfortable getting the shot. It has nothing to do with politics or nanobots. I'm tired of being lumped in with those people when I'm trying to do what I feel is literally the most cautious approach to the entire situation. An experimental shot is an unknown variable. Isolation is 100% effective. That said, I do stay in my apartment except for work, where I work by myself. except for the same two people I see in passing. We're all careful to follow these protocols. Lots, let's not even talk about the small fortune I spent

on having groceries delivered during the pandemic. Anyway, how are we supposed to process stuff like this? I'm getting to the point where I can see folks who are agrophobic, agoraphobic? Or I can see where folks who are agoraphobic. Agorah. Are coming from. I even worry I might snap someday,

a la Michael Douglas in falling down. And that would be bad, if I can't find a way to internalize this better. On a personal note, I've worked 9-1-1, police, fire, EMS radio for the past 11 years. So I do tend to see the worst possible outcomes in most things, which probably doesn't help. That said, I do lean more pragmatic than pessimistic. And so I've got that going for me. Thanks for all you folks do from R. And then there's a P.S.

I forgot to include in my other email the fact that I am not religious in any way. Have faith or put it in God's hands. do not work for folks like me, but that's often the only advice I hear about what to do regarding situations out of one's control. All right. So there's a combination of things going here. It sounds like to me, number one, we got somebody who's feeling like, they summed it up pretty well at the top, like reinforces the fact that I can't do anything about them. And sometimes knowledge is even worse, that sort of thing. Andy's somebody who doesn't think the vaccine's the smart path for him anyway. And I, and I,

really appreciate somebody being this honest and upfront about where they're at with all that. Most of the time, this just ends up being stereotypes and yelling and, you know, everybody's saying everybody's wrong or whatever. And so I dig this person's desire to write out that part of that to us. So anyway, Wendy, where do you want to start, go, be, live, end. Are you still there? Did you have another one? No, that's all I got.

That's all. I only had this five, six, or whatever it was. well and I would say something to clarify he says he's not he's not like against a vaccine he just wants more time he's not comfortable with the time frame right yeah um and so it's not that it's never it's just that he's not ready which means um he is putting himself in a different kind of psychological or into psychological danger and that's what he's talking about right so every one of us has been in psychological danger with the pandemic because the way to mitigate the spread and ultimately save lives was to isolate and humans are terrible at isolation. There is a reason that every prison that has ever broke a person's soul has a, you know, the whatever, solitary confinement situation, right? Like there is a reason that that is the cruelest thing you can do to a person is because we

not, we're not built like that. Recently had a conversation with someone that used to be in the military and worked in interrogation and did some, you know, never did the torturing, but that was like the other level, but pretty damn close to that sort of position and wanted to try to be locked in the cell that they are kept in while they're waiting interrogation, just wanted to, you know, have a little empathy, understand what it's like. to be in that room. And this is not a torture chamber. This was room temperature, padded floors, so, like, you're not on cold ground. Like, it was as comfortable as a not comfortable place could be.

And he said it, he was in there three minutes and like something snapped. Wow. Yeah, it really. And he could get out at any moment, but he just had thought, what if they don't believe me? Like, he knows he just, you know, but just the psychological toll of just a short minute in that space for a highly functioning person was a real eye opener, right? And so what we can do to another human by isolating them or having them separated from us, that's high school. That's bullying. That's leaving someone out. There is a reason we kind of intuitively know that it's cruel and torture and it's because it's really horrified. and terrible for our systems.

It's terrible for our understanding. Now, everyone can have their little version of on Walden Pond, right? Where you're like, I'm here meditating and there's a choice in that that is different than, you know, it is forced upon you or even that, you know, if you go out, you're going to die because of this virus. So it is forced upon you to be isolated, even though maybe some introverts were like, yes, finally. but you still are not you are not fully in that sort of alone alone state

okay so you know this guy has a job he sort of sees people he's ordering his groceries he probably has contact with people online I mean he's probably not 100% isolated but oh this is a long time for somebody to

have been fairly alone right and again let's maybe should define agoraphobia so agoraphobia is the fear of um usually it's open spaces yeah open spaces or large crowds often large crowds and open spaces so like woodstock would not be your thing um but but it can take the form of just sort of like never leaving the house again um just being very frightened of of all the bad stuff out there and so i think there's not a person who hasn't had a touch of agoraphobia in the last two years, or is angry that other people do. So I guess there's

a couple camps, but a lot of us who've, you know, tried to be careful and I've been nervous about all of these things, you know, there's a bit of that, like, should I go out or want to go out? And then adjusting back is a challenge. I mean, and maybe you two could speak to this. Maybe you're a little bit past it, but before the vaccine and before you felt like you could, you know, businesses were open or whatnot. I mean, it, You spent a good amount of time with just a few people and in spaces that you were familiar with. I mean, just Tina, yeah, basically Tina. And then when you start going out again and interacting with people, there was a re-learning curve a little bit.

I know for me, I could not for the life of me figure out how to tip again. I was like, do we do this still? Is tip it still weird? It was so weird or just like certain interactions. But, you know, it comes back because you're, you have. human interaction again to some extent that's not totally normal but a little bit um and so this psychological like back and forth is really hard it's really hard on us um i definitely felt that the the week or specifically right after getting the vaccine which i was all for and ready to go and

let's go i didn't care um about any of the concerns and i know that some people are going to go well there are concerns i'm not saying your feelings are in valid i'm just saying i was ready to go let's go let's get it and for me it was like ha now i don't have to be quite so not paranoid but so just just on yeah yeah like just constantly on that that that you know always waiting for that shoe to drop and it's a little bit more normal so for me that was like a big deal in the positive direction um but i did notice almost immediately that everybody's just kind of look at each other funny. Like, there's just kind of a weird thing of. And I tried to, I tried to, I tried to see or look inside and see if it's just me perceiving that or maybe I just expect it or, you know, how much

of this is actually people being strange. I think it's a combination, you know, of me expecting things, noticing things more than I would normally, but also people were being just a little odd, a little off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's because we, we have neurons that get pruned when we don't use them, right? And so your social, all your little interactions that just don't, you don't think about, like your brain was like, yeah, we don't need that anymore. So it's, it's rebuilding in just like little ways, but trying to reconnect to humans and like, how do you talk about whatever at a party again or, you know, whatever it might be? So there's, there's that going on. So take, this guy sounds like that's never happened. There has, there is no opening up at all. He has maintained

um isolation and so we're going on uh help me with time 18 months 18 months oh my gosh yeah at two and a half years is how long it feels okay but 18 months that is a significant amount of time to not be interacting yeah that's a significant amount of time and and if he's waiting for data on long-term effects it's not going to come anytime soon yeah exactly right right Well, and maybe he did say if it's FDA approved, which shouldn't be too far off, that maybe that would help him. I think what's tricky is that there's this cost-benefit analysis, right? And this is true of all of life. So I want to pan this out a little to just all of the fears of life for a second, because it is really easy to extrapolate this to, well, if your kids are outside, they're going to get kidnapped.

So then I never let my kids be outside. And so what does that look like in the development of a child and their relationship with you? What is the price of never getting to play outside because you are so afraid that someone's going to come and snatch your kid off the sidewalk, right? Or getting in a car or getting on a plane. And so you can, I mean, there's so many versions of this that require us to do. a cost-benefit analysis. Sometimes you do it very quickly. Some tend to be more prone to anxious thinking anyway.

And so that adds an element. But these are decisions we make throughout life of what is my well-being psychologically worth to mitigate risk, right? And remember, we all descend from people who have survived. That is the one common factor we all. have is that somebody reproduced, survived long enough to get that next person to reproductive age and then they reproduced until you have us, which means we do not come from the calm Zen people.

We come from the anxious people or the careful people or the somehow didn't get crushed by that threshing machine people, right? We survived. That got real agricultural. It did for a second. I liked it. It was good. I'd remember the act of culture.

Nobody does it enough. Yeah, everyone forgets that really important stage of history. Anyway, so that idea of like, okay, this is our natural state of things to worry and be concerned. And there's always a danger out there that could get you, right? So what's that cost benefit? So to stop and think, and this would be my advice. I've worked with people who have the vaccine and are acting just like he's still acting. and are suffering because of it.

So it isn't like, oh, the vaccine is this magic button that, like, oh, free. Instantly lets you go outside. Yeah. And it's because it's your interpretation of things and how you're seeing it. And also what you're consuming. I have thought about this. And I don't know the answer because if you just ignore everything and, like, live your life, you're going to miss stuff.

Like the pandemic is a perfect example. imagine you are not a news watcher and you really don't know what's going on and you're just like you don't have social media I don't know watch PBS I have no idea and you're living your life and then suddenly the whole world is shut down you're going to have to ask around like what just happened

like you don't know and and we think okay you can't do that that's no but there the other side of that that extreme other side is that you are constantly constant like as if you are getting paid to do research you are reading and looking and trying to figure this out and you know like to to that extreme is is probably just as dangerous right yeah and so finding somewhere in the middle is is tricky i think it's tricky for

everyone and it depends on the timing right like right now there's so much happening there has been so much happening for two years and maybe it was all happening before but it's it feels a little more perilous because of the pandemic right like something that affects you you can hear or read about something happening somewhere else and be affected by it, but then you don't have to, you know, order groceries because you're afraid of a deadly virus, right? And that is just created an undertow of stress and anxiety for everybody. So I feel like it's even more impactful now to hear what's happening in other places and weather events, especially are freaky. This Afghanistan is horrifying. You know, all of the different.

different things can pile up. And then the world just doesn't feel like a safe place. So let's talk about his job. I don't know if it's his job or current or not, but where he works with 911. It sounds like it's current, yeah, for the past 11 years. Yeah,

so he's just saying dispatch or something. Yeah, probably still. Because that is really going to predispose you to seeing the, the sort of more extreme outcome. Yeah. Yeah. And like he's saying he's pragmatic,

not pessimistic, which is a really important asset there. but you know he's he's used to it to some extent and so what he's maybe really asking us and now I'm going to flip the question to you guys what he's really asking us is don't tell me to go find God and don't tell me it's all going to be fine but how do I handle that life is hard and things are out of my control when this is not a naive person not making up that you know something bad might happen if he gets in his car or you know whatever it's he is listening to people's lives being completely destroyed

or disrupted or whatever so this is you know right he's been there so hey there's one thing before i forgot or before i forget i wanted to at least say this uh this what i like about this dude is that he's in my mind he's not part of the problem that i have with people who are for the most part and more stereotypically anti-vaccination. The people that say, I'm not getting this vaccination. I don't know enough about it. We haven't tested it far enough or whatever. But I'm also not going to do anything else in my life to...

I'm not going to social distance. I'm not going to wear a mask. I'm going to go to big parties and restaurants and stuff like that. This tells me they're not taking any of it seriously. And some of those people go as far as it say, well, I think it's a fake virus. It's all made up by the media or whatever. Like there's extremes to all of these arguments. but those people that are like, I don't trust the vaccination, but I'm also not going to do anything else to do anything at all to help this.

Right, right. Those are the problem. Those people are huge problems. But somebody who can say, I'm not comfortable getting it yet, maybe it'll be better when it's FDA approved. Maybe it won't be. I don't know, but I'm going to do all the other stuff I can do. Like, that's a step in the right direction to me. And if he's truly doing what he says he's doing and only like basically at home,

except for when he's at work and he only interacts with two other people in his life and doesn't go through the drive-through and interact with some person through a window or meet somebody at the door to get his grocery deliveries and stuff like that where he's coming in contact. If he really is truly staying completely isolated until he finds out more about the vaccine, then I say power to him. Because he is, he's doing the next best thing to getting the vaccine to slow the spread of the virus. He's staying self-isolated to eliminate the spread of the virus. Yeah, which is a sacrifice and hard to do. Like, nobody wants to be doing that. And there is a cost. There is a cost to it.

There's all kinds of cost to it. And so, but he knows that and he's doing that. And if everybody did that that was like concerned about the vaccination, we wouldn't have this Vax war we're having. It's not the, those people would. not be the problem. It's the people that are just like, I don't believe them. They're not, they don't really have a problem with the vaccine. They have a problem being told to do anything that helps anybody else. They just have a problem wanting to do anything that isn't what they want to do. Well, that's a different disease. That's nothing to do with COVID. That's just

being selfish and being an a hole. He isn't being that. So, um, it's not the, it's not the, the outcome that I would want for myself or the people around me, but he's doing he's doing the next best thing or the, you know, he's playing it safe if he's not doing the ultimate safe thing, which is, yeah, he's basically doing what you would have to do if somebody can't get the vaccine. If you, for some medical reason, there's, there's other reasons why you can't get it. There's plenty of people like that. They, they're, you know, somewhat forced to make its similar life choices because if they're taking it seriously and if they're not, they're not. But I just wish people to be honest about their motivations. That's all.

And it feels like you do this. I wonder how frequent, how common this is. This seems like this would be less common, but maybe it's not. Maybe there's plenty of people who are worried about the quickness of the vaccine and then want to wait, but they're being very careful in the meantime. I mean, maybe there's plenty. I don't know. I don't know either because they're not loud about it. Right. And that's the problem. We only hear who's loud about it. And like he said, they get lumped into some other category and they get probably screamed at. Right. Right. And it's not, it doesn't take much for them too to say in a conversation with

other people maybe where everyone's been backstanding. And say, well, I haven't yet. I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm ready yet. And immediately they're put on this list of like, well, and they assume that it's all those reasons. And we can say why. I mean, it's, It doesn't, it's not difficult to understand because life is still hard for so many people because there's not enough people vaccinated, right? And so that we're seeing our experience of like, you do this thing and it gets better. And it got better for a hot minute there, right? Like we got a break and people weren't getting sick and the hospitals were emptied.

And another wave hits with the very age, you know. And so it's hearing. So you're reacting in your own place, right? So he may, he's getting the wrath of everybody's. And I think this is what's so hard about this going back and forth, right? Is that it's really everybody's own stuff getting thrown at each other and how we're handling such a collective experience. We're all very different handling it, right? So in his case, I psychologically could not do what he's doing.

Yeah, no, neither could I. Ever. And I also think if I think, if I think, thought the vaccine were really dangerous, I would even maybe consider it so I wouldn't have to do what he's doing. But I don't think it's dangerous. And I feel like it is, and I don't know, he didn't say if he has children or not, but I'll tell you, just watching your kids vaccinated your whole life and being so grateful they don't have flipping chicken pox. I am all about it, right? Because there is some real on the ground experience that I have had with vaccines.

and so I just, it's so much easier for me to go there and just be like, well, they figured it out fast because it's 2021. Yeah. But again, they didn't start a zero either. That's the other thing. People always think they started at zero in 2021. No, they started 20 years ago. Right.

This has been a, in the, not just vaccine in general, but this MRI stuff has been in the works forever. Everything got accelerated. Everything got pushed and everything got out there. Yes, because we had a vaccination, or because. we had a honest god you know pandemic for for once in a hundred years but but yeah like but see and that's not even us trying to tell this guy what he how he should feel or what he should do um i am trying to be less judgmental of these kinds of decisions because for all i know they are people like

him who is being you know conscious about this and trying to do the right thing under whatever circumstance he wants to live his life i can respect that but it's hard sometimes because you want to lump people into these categories, you know? Yeah. And what I'm saying is even if I didn't have all those thoughts, now you can say, is it motivated reasoning, right? So we can always look at what we do or why we justify something or think about something is motivated reasoning. So yeah, do I have some motivated reasoning about wanting this vaccine to be safe and fantastic and work? Yes, I do because I would like life to not be like this anymore for any of the people. And so, yeah, it's motivated reasoning. So that's a good question for anyone to ask themselves. Like, what is your motivated reasoning?

for what you're doing. Is it that you feel like your intellectual talk down to you people in your life or your perceived media consumption, it's to hope that they're wrong and you're the right one because you've got good information or if you are pro-vaccination and you are ripping and burn it anybody who is hesitant, like what is that about for you? And we can all self-justify, right? That's one of our really good talents as humans. So to really stop and ask yourself, what's your motivated reasoning.

Now, let's flip to him, like, more specifically for a second. This is a person who works in, I don't exactly know, but let's just say it's a dispatch person of some sort, right? We call them a 911 dispatch, okay, person. Yeah, so handling high stress emergency situations with some calm and professionalism, right? We can just kind of make that assumption. often it's fun to go into white people do the jobs they do right like just like why do you wear the clothes you wear why do you live where you choose to live what does it mean about you that certain things and so what does it mean about him that his life's work or at least the last 11

years is in emergency responding and how does that play out for his carefulness right or not that he's overly paranoid by any shot, but he's just not naive. And so he's doing what he thinks is best, and that's all good. And, and, and then the safety part, right? We all have a, we all have a risk and we all have a safety need, right? And some, it varies on a scale. You can have a very large risk tolerance and, um, a low need for safety or vice versa. And so what that looks like is he's, you know, staying in the risk averse place and trying to honor, um, his concerns here with the vaccine. My sense is most people

who don't have personal relationships with their doctors who are still hesitant about vaccines because there isn't somebody with knowledge talking to them that they trust. Because if you're going to only get it from the news and you don't trust the news,

well, I see why you don't trust it. Or having a family member that can detail and help you understand because they are actual experts or, you know, et cetera, et cetera. So maybe his isolation means that he isn't chatting with other people who are helping him resolve this concern. Instead, he's getting smashed, right?

But also, is anybody talking to him about his mental well-being? He is reaching out to us because he is concerned about that, and for good reason. I'm concerned about everyone's mental well-being. I don't care where you are on any of these scales, but that the isolation for too long has an impact. That's the thing. I mean, you take the whole vaccine discussion out of this. And this is a person who is in a forced solitary confinement situation of their own, of their in doing. And what are the long-term effects of that going to be like?

Yeah. And not great. We're pretty resilient as humans, but nobody came back from any war, just fine. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said earlier, you know, it's what we use as capital punishment. isolation, so. Yeah, and so it has, there is a price to this.

And so, you know, if, if you're concerned for the long-term effect of this vaccine or even the long-term, I mean, we already know some of the long-term effects of COVID is. And the short-term effects of death. Yeah. Yeah. And they're pretty terrifying. So, so we have this, what he is, and let's get back to this word of control. He is controlling something. So when he says, when things are out of control, I don't know what to do.

Well, I know what you're doing. You're controlling what you can. So you control who you're around, how you get your groceries, you can control who you see at work. You are controlling lots of things. But the consequence of control sometimes isn't good. Oftentimes is not good, which is this sort of slow growing isolation that is going to have an impact that's scary.

just like going and licking a flagpole and you're going to get COVID, you're going to have a consequence to that. Or, I mean, I'm not sure what the vaccine consequences other that you get less sick and don't die, hopefully, right? And that's because your body works with proteins and there is no virus. Anyway, I don't want to talk about it. But this idea, though, is what do you try to control when you don't feel like you have control? So let's just throw out a couple of typical ways people have this pendulum.

problem with control. When you feel less control, you find it somewhere else, sometimes not even consciously. So a very common version of this control dynamic is with eating disorders. So let's take anorexia specifically, the most sort of common person who struggles with anorexia tends to be young females who have very controlling families, are high, high, high expectations, must have perfect grades must be beautiful all the time you know so lots of pressure put on them other people's ideas and and control is is outside their locusts of control it's other people and so what's the one thing you can control what you put in your body because no one's feeding you or not feeding you you get to do that and so often that can start as it's really about control and not about food um or

weight yet and then it morphs into other things but so that's an example of that so can you guys think of anything where you you've seen somebody's need for control um i may i can think of a hundred but like backfire in this way or pendulum swing so far another way that they try to control other things oh that's interesting i felt like i had the opposite uh well i don't know what the opposite of anorexia is but I got food obsessed during the pandemic because it felt like the only place we found any kind of I don't know like comfort comfort like comfort like you'd be like you know what it'd be good right now and this horrible week pizza would be good you know like kind of that attitude and um you know that really bit me in the butt gained a bunch weight just

was not not what I needed to be doing but that was hard to shake I mean I'm still sort of still sort of fighting it. But, you know, even with a bunch of pounds down and getting more where I want to be, it's still like, it's weird because it used to be the opposite for me. Stress would make me not want to eat. And for some reason, like that now that you've said it this way, like back in the day when I would not eat when I was stressed, and I'd get too skinny, it did feel like it was one part, it was the only part I could control of the stress. It's like, well, the only part I can control is not eating because if I don't eat, I won't feel sick. So I'm not going to eat.

And these days, as I've gotten older, it's kind of flipped around the other direction. But it's almost the exact same. Yeah. Like, could you have been less in control in April 2020? Probably not. That's how it feels. Yeah. It feels that way.

So I'm going to eat more of my ribs, whatever, right? And that's, yeah, good example. Is helicopter parenting kind of something like this where they're so much in control that the kids kind of rebel and go the opposite way? That's a good one. Yeah, and you can think about why is helicopter parenting even a thing? Who feels not enough control to start with to then have to do that? Right, right. Yeah, so that is a, that's a great example.

It's the Lenny of mice and men, right? Like you love something too much, you smother it. And you smother it, yeah. Yeah, it's controlling. It's controlling the thing and you don't realize the damage that you're doing. And this is what's so tricky and hard about this is it's a human response. when we feel out of control or we can't do anything about something. That's why we love to send money or donate clothes or donate blood.

Like it gives us actionable things to be helpful when there is just this overwhelming feeling like we can't do anything. So I have this friend who turns 50 this year and it is a funny. contrast. I know a bunch of 50-year-old people who are like, I'm going to do 50 things from a bucket list. And you're like, okay, boring. And then others who are like, I'm going to put my money where I'm going to put my money where my mouth is for my 50 birthday, right? So I have this one who is, she's very, very concerned about climate change and has been intimately involved in the water systems here and like on a volunteer basis and just has become like a, they have like like citizen scientists that do all. sorts of cool work anyway. So she's really into it. And she is, she likes to hike, but she's not like mega fit or anything. And she just said, I'm just going to raise money. I can't. There's a Zen, the, the, the, the, Wren, what is the word? Diagram. Fenn. Oh, Venn. Van diagram. Oh, my gosh. I could not say the right letter. You know, Finn, Finn. You're definitely, uh,

you're definitely Scott's sister. Yeah. I am tired. Yeah. There's a Venn diagram that, uh, you and I are in that and we're in the middle it's not using correct English ever anyway so the Venn diagram of like what do you really care about what do you have some control over and kind of what can you do do and you find some sweet spot in there and in her case she's like I'm going to hike this superior hiking trail which is this crazy long difficult hike and I'm going to do 100 miles and I'm going to raise money to do that and then I'm going to use you know my goal is 5,000 bucks and I'm going to use that on this very specific local problem with something with water, you know, that just needs money thrown at it.

And she's like, that's all I can do. But I'm going to do it. And I think that's a pretty powerful concept here is where is your Venn diagram of control or your locus of actual control as opposed to I read all this stuff and I get so upset or frustrated or hurt or scared or whatever. And then I just like it or share it. And I count that as doing something. Like I feel like that is just not cutting it from most people and shouldn't because you don't actually do anything other than make awareness amongst your own people.

Like it's not really a thing. So where is it that it can overlap where you can actually do something? So I would ask this guy to do something similar. you know what does he care about and what does he have control over and what does he maybe need to do so in her case hiking the trail that's the hard part that's the risk that's the actual work right um and that's tricky because it's voluntary and he has a similar thing ahead of him like he's got to make some decisions and and what can he actually control and not control and stop torching yourself with what you can't control and careful about this swinging the other way and like trying to over control something um because there is a cost to this isolation that is a little concerning um i mean he he's concerned he would not have written what he'd written and reached back to us if if he isn't seeing that there is a price he's paying for this isolation because he because he is well he brought he's one that brought up to michael

douglas falling down uh you know he doesn't want to turn into that i mean that's a real that's a concern And that sort of isolation can lead to, you know, explosions of, you know, freaking out at the store. And then suddenly you've gone too far. And, you know, you don't want to do that. You don't want to be that person. No. And so who is your support? Like, who can you reach out to that isn't going to make you have to defend your decision all day long?

Because that's the other thing is you're getting more. Facebook. Yeah. Well, you're more and more isolated. The more you think your community. and I'm doing quote, air quotes, is against you, right? And so maybe take a step back and what is the community you're listening to and engaging with? And is there a closer to home kind of community or friendships or safety that feels like, you know, you feel less isolated?

Because I think that's happened too. And everyone's actual physical isolation is a thing, but also this psychological isolation. isolation that has occurred with, oh, I thought my friend was normal and turns out she thinks blankety blank. And suddenly you're like, what? And feel more and more alone or disconnected. And so I mean, this will pass, I think, to, I don't know, 10 years from now. I don't know. And I hope we recover. I hope we can get back to some semblance of creating safety amongst each other because humans don't do well in these states, and it's for all of us. His story is very specific, but I think we all have share some of the same concern when we don't feel like we can control things.

So if anyone listening is like, oh, maybe this is why I am yelling at my kid all day to get off screens and, you know, be productive or something. And I don't usually feel that way. Well, it might be because you, you're not controlling something else and you see something to control um and so to be real clear on that what what you're doing and maybe figure out how again this idea of what can you actually control and do something in that sphere can be a good remedy yeah i agree uh i hope this helps are and uh i'm really glad you reached out this was this was a perspective i don't think we've heard enough from um and i uh i think it's it's helpful to do that probably helpful for him too just you know this process follow up with us are you know on on on

things as they change or as you as more information comes out and you make you make some decisions based on that and where you're at you know six months from now or three months from now or whatever always encourage that when you guys write in we'd love to hear back when you know how things go for you and we do quite a bit so thank you for that feedback uh if you're wondering how you send in your questions for Wendy it's real easy you can just send them right over to this uh email address the

morning stream at gmail.com and uh it helps to put therapy Thursday or something like that in the subject it's just easier to grab we get a lot of email I hate one of my my miss one by accident but if I if I see that we almost always get you so anyway send those in let us know that'd be great Wendy anything else going on you'd like to mention about real steps or anything else no real steps is going to be very different this coming around and it's exciting and it's going to be longer. We've been doing four weeks and realize we just, we're going to make them a little longer and do a few less in the year.

And so we have some fun changes that are coming. And anyway, it's going to be great. So it will be like the end of October when the next round starts and go through November. So we will catch your Halloween and your Thanksgiving. If those are holidays you celebrate, All Souls Day. What else do we got in there? Something else. but you know all the food and family and the

all the garbage that we have going on in our little heads anyway it's going to be a blast so sign up for yeah go ahead I'll send emails out sometime mid September and so you know go to real steps.org and just put your name in you will get very few emails I promise

but that's a way to get updates nice yeah and keep those birds and chimes go in the background of your of your phone calls Wendy. Did you give the chimes? I did at the very beginning. I loved them. Oh, they are, it is the weirdest. You know how chimes sometimes they're like, oh, okay. This one is like, I don't know, magical music. So thank you for appreciating that because it is very soothing. One of these, one of these weeks, let's just have you on for, for 20 minutes and just listen to the birds and the chimes. Yeah. Great idea. I like it. We won't say anything.

Yeah. It'll be the most therapeutic therapy Thursday we've ever had. The weirdest episode of TMS we've ever had for sure. All right. you have a fantastic week and we look forward to talking to you in again next week by now. Bye guys. Wait, are we here next week? We're here next week, yes. Next Thursday. I'm here.

I'm here. I'm here. I'm right. I always think. We're next week. We're not here the week after or the week after that. Well, we're here in some form. We're here in some form, but it's all a little weird in the next.

Yes. We will be here together. Right. After next week. Except we're, you know, we're going to try for some live calls. We don't know. Yes. We don't know.

I think it's going to work out. I think the more I think. think about the more I think it's going to work out for like my afternoon call to you is going to be your morning call and it'll actually work out kind of well yeah the time is not too bad it's not like you're in the middle of i mean like japan it's not the middle of the night and i'm like i gotta get up at two in the morning to talk to scott yeah it's all good um all right let's get into the next bit here which is a tms origins mashup oh okay yeah this is the origin of you can eat rice story and

Oh, this is great. So many people ask about this. This is great. People ask about this one. Jamie has stepped up to the plate, swung, and hit a home run. I think. I haven't heard it. So who knows if he gets it right?

I'm sure he does. Here it is. Enjoy. My friend Andrew, one of my best friends in the world. He and I met in our early 20s. And right up until probably five, six years ago, you couldn't separate us. We were hanging out all the time. But one of my favorite stories that ever happened, actually happened to him just before I met him.

And this is how it went down, right? Mm-hmm. There's this restaurant called Hoonan Express. People probably have one near them. Maybe, I don't know. And so he's working at this place. And while he was there, one of his jobs was to put these big, giant barrel-looking huge pots of rice on this stove thing, cook the rice, dump it into wherever it goes,

and then be done with it. But there's, you know, you go through a lot of rice during the day. Because everything they serve, everything that they deliver is just buried in rice. Because there's always rice, right? Right. So somebody said, okay, you got to put the rice and I say, cool. So he puts on these, like, two or three big, huge pots on these giant burners, and he's got it going on.

and then something came up where he had to go do a quick delivery, and he would have been back in time, but instead he had to run some personal errand. Completely forgets he put on the rice. And all that was left at the place was the guy who owns it, so it's a little angry Chinese guy with like no hair, right? I don't know why that particular detail matters. But he's this angry little man, you know, just an angry man.

He's just this really pissed off little Chinese guy. And he's not there at the time. It's my friend and this guy who's running the front counter and nobody else. So he leaves, forgets about the rice. And nobody else knows about it. No, nobody. The other guy, and even if the other guy did, he wouldn't know what to do with it. Because he apparently wasn't trained to do anything.

So, Andrew comes back to the place, still not remembering what had happened. Uh-huh. And he walks in, and the old angry Chinese man is standing there. And he goes, oh, welcome back. He goes, oh, hey. And he goes, so, Andrew, are you very hungry? And he goes, I don't know. You hungry right now?

I guess I'm a little hungry. Oh, you're a little hungry, eh? walks into the back room storms out with this giant pot of like black burnt rice slams it on the floor rice goes everywhere and he goes then you can eat rice that's the Hunan Express story and he got fired but it was the greatest story in the world because angry Chinese guy yelling you can eat rice like you should be in a movie or something totally you're you're a little bit hungry I just just see this guy a little less PC with the accents back in 2013, 14, whatever was.

Oh, right, right, yes. Yeah, a little less, but, yeah, it's still one of my favorite stories. Send your emails to 2013. Yeah, some of 2013, maybe even 12. I don't know what it was. 2012. Anyway, it was a great story. I love that story.

Thank you, Jamie, for finding that, and there'll be more from him coming next Monday because we do Monday morning mashups. All right. I think that's it. We're done. Let's go. Patreon.com slash TMS to support the show. If you like the show, then support the show. It's not real hard and it's super cheap.

It's over there at patreon.com slash TMS. Don't forget to send us those emails, the morning stream at gmail.com. You can find us on Twitter at Coverville for Brian, Scott Johnson for me, and morning stream for the show. And everything else you might need is all over at frogpans.com slash TMS. All right. One of those things that you'll find over there at frogpans.com slash TMS is a place to click and post a request. I don't have a request today, so I'm going off the book, off the board, off the rails.

But I do need a couple requests for next week. So if you've got a birthday and anniversary, or you've just discovered a really cool cover that you want to tell me about, then go to frogpants.com slash TMS and use the request link right there. All right. So, just because I didn't get a request for a day, doesn't mean I'm not going to play something awesome. This is great. And it literally just landed in my lap this morning. And I thought, oh, my God, I've got to use this as a request the next time I've got an open spot.

This is a cover of The Promise, the song by Wendon and Rome that was really popular in the late 80s. And it's beautiful. It's a beautiful cover of an already beautiful song. You probably know it as the final song, Napoleon Dynamite, as the two characters are playing tetherball at the very end. Um, this is Samia and Jalani Aria, I believe. That's how old was named. That's when the walls fell, right? That's when the walls fell at Sonia and Jalani Aria. Yeah.

Uh, this is their cover. A brand new single from the Scout EP that just got released at the end of last month. Here is the promise. All right. Uh, we'll be back tomorrow, PM edition, uh, for patrons. So you can check that out tomorrow about, oh, we're doing it early tomorrow. Two pute. Uh, pu, pu, right.

2 p.m. Not pew t. 2 p.m. tomorrow. I've got to do it early. I got a thing later in the afternoon I need to do. So we're going to start early. And yeah, so be here for that. There's a new instance tomorrow. We've got a really cool topic lined up for that. And a film sack this weekend doing Johnny Five still alive, short circuit. Yeah, short circuit. Getting our Gutenberg on. Is this our first Gutenberg movie? It might be. have we done have we not done a police academy or a um none of the three men and a babies or any of that

i don't think i don't think what's the bedroom window we've never done no i don't think so we didn't do cocoon uh yeah i think this might be it be our first steve steve gudenberg he's he's been um recently on uh or last season he was on holy moly which again you still haven't checked out have you No, I need to watch that. It's on my list. Watch an episode, you'll be hooked because Rob Wrigal is a freaking national treasure in that thing. He is so good. Yeah, I love him.

I mean, I know you already love him, but... Former Marine, Rob Riggle, yeah. Right, and boy, does that, that comes up every once in a while. It's just hilarious to think of what he was like as a... Oh, man. As a Marine. He'd be fun to be at war with. All right, that's going to do it then.

We'll be back for all that stuff this weekend, so check it out. We'll be back Monday with a brand new TMS. We'll see you then. Bye now. know in the end I'll always be there and when you're in doubt and when you're in danger take a look all around

and I'll be there I'm sorry but I'm just thinking of the right words to say I know they don't sound the way I plan them to be. But if you wait around a while, I'll make you fall for me. I promise, I promise you, I will. When your day is through, and so is your temper.

You'll know what to do. I'm gonna always be. sometimes they fly show it's not what's intended these words just come out with no cross-to-bed i'm sorry but i'm just thinking of the right words to say i know they know they don't sound the way i'd lend them to be but if you wait around I'll make you fall for me I promise I promise you I'm sorry but I'm just thinking of the right words you say I know they don't sound the way I plan them to be but if you wait around a while I'll make you fall for me I promise I promise you I knew I mean I need to smile

I got it's hair I'm just thinking of the right words to say I know they don't sound the way I plan them to be but if you wait around a while I'll make you fall for me I promise I promise you

I'm sorry that I'm just thinking of the right words to say I know they don't sound the way I'll plan them to be and if I had to walk the world I'd make you fall for me I promise you I promise you

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