The Morning Stream - TMS 2168: Meat Juice

Episode Date: September 2, 2021

Put Sugar in that Boy, and Send Him Home with More! Go To Ireland For the Lucky Charms And The Whatnot. Just Lean Back and Look at the Ducks, Man. Male Lard. Conjugal Visits Are NOT Allowed at the Zoo! Lady Maderna. Pull Out Your Thing, Blow on it, and Shove it Back in! Hot Tubs are Water Coolers for Old People! A-Salting your meat with Bobby. Therapy Thursday and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, put sugar in that boy and send him home with more. Go to Ireland for the lucky charms and the whatnot. Just lean back and look at the ducks, man. Mail lard. Conjugal visits are not allowed at the zoo. Lady Mederna. Pull out your thing, blow on it, and shove it back in. Hot tubs are water coolers for old people.

Salting your meat with Bobby, therapy Thursday, and more. On this episode of The Morning Stream. Okay, boys, that's the brief. It's our first assignment, so make it good. as you know your uniforms are in your craft and must only be worn on call right father okay father sure thing dad yeah father okay scott away you go and keep in touch yes sir solomon grundy not hold it the morning stream this car smells weird

Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, September 2nd, 2021. I'm Scott Johnson here with a guest host. A guest host. Hubba, hubba. Yeah, that's right. It's couples day again here on the TMS show.

Hi, it's Kim. Hi, it's Kim. Hey, thanks for being here and covering for Brian while he's out gallivanting around Europe. Well, I appreciate that. Yeah. I know you kind of wish you were him. wish you were in Ireland, right? You want to go there. I want to. I mean, who wouldn't want to go to Ireland? Ireland sounds rad. Plus, Claire's there. Yeah. Plus, they're all happy

and they got the lucky charms and the whatnot, you know? So why wouldn't you want to go there? That's my question. There's no reason you wouldn't want to go. So I hope he's okay. He's in the, he's in Heathrow, we're being told, which is airport in London. And from there, you say that as if it's a question. It's an airport in London? London? Does anyone know? You know, you'll wait for corrections in case. I know that one, though. That's a pretty easy one.

But anyway, he's on his way to Ireland and he's going to do his, you know, he's going to get his pot of gold. What else are you doing in Ireland? You get, oh, his flight to Dublin tonight, okay. So all is well. I heard yesterday he told me that he got there 72 hours, must have your COVID test thing, 72 hours or whatever. Prior to getting on the plane.

Yeah, that plane thing. and they barely got it back to him. Oh. Like barely in time. Yeah, they were super stressed about that. So as a result, kind of, you know, running around. He'll tell the whole story, I guess, when he gets here. But, you know, that stuff is a hassle, man.

I mean, a bigger hassle would be getting it and being super sick. But the secondary hassle is all of life has been altered to accommodate stupid virus. And, yeah, that's where we are. That's where we live. That's where we are. Yeah. How would you feel if you had the stress of having to have the COVID test be A, on time, and B, negative? Yeah, you have to have both.

Before you could go to your magical trip to the Lepricon Valley. How would you feel? The Lepricon Valley? Yeah. Isn't that what they got? That's what they got. They're like hobbits and stuff, right? They got their holes in the wall.

We have the Silicon Valley. They've got their Leprocon Valley. That's right. It's where they make all the Lepricon's. Anyway, so Kim's here. She's co-hosting today. We have an all-star lineup over the next few days of shows. I guess today ends the normal week.

PM is up in the air right now. There may be something going on. But Monday, we got, who do we have? Have I told you all the names? Oh, we don't know if we're doing a show Monday. I was going to say, I'm going to stop talking because you just said, it's up in the air. I'm not really sure what we're doing.

Yeah, Monday we don't know because it's a holiday here in the United States. Maybe that's when Carter could come on because she won't work. that day. That's true. Oh, that's true. Ooh. Ooh. Again, we'll have to ask her. She made it very clear earlier that we were talking about. This is if she has no say in it. But, yeah, we'll see about that. Just yell right now. Carter!

That's right. Get down here and find out. Tuesday, we got TV's Travis. Wednesday. Garrett Windsor will be joining us. And then Thursday is still a little up in the air. It'll either be maybe Kim, possibly Carter, possibly, I don't know. We'll figure it out. We'll have to see. I mean, Wendy will be here, but she's probably not. not going to co-host. You guys don't, asking Wendy to co-host an entire show with me, her dingus brother. I can't imagine that world where that happens. I just can't hear it. I can't see it.

Can you, honey? Can you see my sister? Well, yes, because she's really good at it. She is good at it. She's naturally good at it. No question about that. You're good at teasing her. Yeah. It would go over really well. People see the sibling thing go on. Yeah. So all the cool hair lined up for the next few shows, everybody. Watch for it. Very cool. Okay, so there's a lot going on. We should talk about our little trip real quick. Kim and I, you know, we got married a long time ago. A long time ago.

Yeah, we got married in 1992. This is, the way I look at things in life is a little weird, but that was one year. We got married one year before Jurassic Park hit movie theaters. Oh my gosh, that's how you're counting it. Yep, yep. What else? 92, that would have been the year. Let's see. What's another significant 92 thing?

I can't think of anything. I can't think of anything either. But in 94, we would have our first child. And now she's 28. No, 27. Right? Yes. Okay. You're supposed to remember these things. I don't know this stuff.

Well, the way you're going about this is like, and then in 1994. And then in 97. seven. All right. So, oh, yeah, that's a wake-up call. C-9 Ender says in 94, I was one-year-old. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, so we got a 93er going there. Anyway, a couple others with birthdays in 92. Geez, you guys are young. Anyway, so that makes us 29 years married, Kim. 29 years. Can you believe it? Wow. It's amazing. So that's cool. And so we decided that this weekend we would have a good time and sell. celebrate a little bit and get away. Now, as you all know, it's a weird time. You can't necessarily go where you want to go, although I say this as Brian is on his way to his dream Ireland trip.

But, you know, things are all over the place, so you're never sure what you're going to do. That's what it is. It's all over the place. Yeah. And we were going to go to Vegas. That was the original plan. And it was going to be our first big return to Vegas since we haven't gone to Vegas. how long's it been it was 2019 right hold on yeah early 2019 you're right may uh March of 2019 was the last time we've been it's always March or April yeah one of those and that is crazy because usually we're in Vegas at least twice a year yeah for something easily yeah because it's you know convenience like five hour drive you're there you're in you're good so you're in a

whole other world yeah a whole new world if you've ever been to Vegas you know that's true sing us a song sing us the whole new no I'm not going to sing anything you're not going to sing the song no I'm not well One wants to hear that. What a disappointing guest hosting we have today. Oh, my goodness. Oh, come on. Anyway, we didn't go. So we decided that Claire Gack is a year older than Carter.

That's weird. Oh, my gosh, we're old. Anyway. Well, it was also going to be over 100 degrees every day. Yeah, I was going to be 100. And I was like, I just, we need to be somewhere cooler. So we decided to go closer. Yeah.

Plus, Delta is crazy right now. There's too much going on. It's all weird. Half the places are like, oh, you need to bring Vax cards. And other places are like, you don't need to bring anything. And I don't know.

It just felt a little much for some reason. So we both kind of jointly were like, do you want it to alternate? Should we alter the plan and pray we don't talk for it any further? And then we did. It was just a different set of four walls. We needed to be somewhere else. And it was really nice.

Yeah, it turned out good. So we went up the mountain. and spend some time in our own sort of backyard, about 45 minutes away. And Park City, I'm sure people are familiar with the area. Maybe they're not. I don't know. But, you know, it becomes very mainstream about two months of the year when we have Sundance up there. That's true.

Everyone's there. So you could just wander around and bump into Brad Pitt taking a leak in an alleyway or whatever. Whatever it is Brad Pitt's doing. Whatever it is Brad Pitt is up to at any current moment. But it's beautiful up there, and we love it up there, except the smoke's been kind of thick, so other than that, you know, that wasn't my favorite thing. Well, it's, it was like that everywhere. Yeah. It wasn't just there.

We did get to pass by an entire area that two weeks ago was on fire on the way up the canyon. Immigration Canyon, no, no, Parley's Canyon fire. Yeah, they had a Parley's Canyon fire just a couple weeks ago, and we saw all the scorched earth up there. Yeah. It was pretty crazy. Yeah, and it was right up on the highway. It was right to the highway. Yeah.

So I knew. Within 10 feet of the highway. I guess my. We were driving by, which was weird. My sister, Misha and her husband were there the week of the fire. And so they got the worst of the smoke and they got basically trapped up there because they shut down the freeway or the highway. Well, there's another highway. You can go the roundabout way through Provo Canyon.

Oh, that's true. So that's a long drive. Yeah. That sucks. I don't want to go that direction is what I'm saying. Anyway, so, yeah. It was lovely up there. Oh, it's great.

It's still really green. It was cooler. It was... Yeah. We love Main Street. Not a lot of people. Main Street was great. Yeah.

Except Sunday things were not... Oh, I do, I have a new rule. Here's my new rule. When we do these little trips, no matter where we go, Vegas or otherwise, we should do the Sunday through Wednesday thing. Because it's where. Way less people everywhere. That's true. Because it's a weekday, right?

People are doing work and stuff. Like, they're not there. Everybody listen to your show is like, what? Seriously, come on now. Well, but that's the thing. You only lost, let me think, you only lost the boob show and three episodes of TMS. I'm not saying that's not significant. It's true.

I don't like missing TMS ever, but it didn't really ding stuff overall because all the rest of the big stuff that happens later in the week all starts today. day anyway. So today tomorrow and Saturday. All the big stuff starts today. Yeah. So I'm just saying, you know, but the biggest advantage is you're not there in a weekend where

the things are just overcrowded and everyone's annoying and all that stuff. So I kind of like that. It did make it really nice not to be able to go to breakfast in the morning and on a Saturday or Sunday it would have been a lot harder. Hey, what do you think about old people by the hot tubs talking about politics? How did you feel about that?

Do you like that? Do you enjoy that? That was interesting. Is that the highlight of your trip? Was listening to Francine and Bill over there with their... That was a real good time. So let me explain. I just can't believe it. I just can't believe it.

She said many times. I can't believe how many times she says, I can't believe. But it was funny because... So the place we went to was really cool because they had this hot tub situation where there's like six of them... Six different hot tubs. They were kind of...

They're like nestled into the mountain. off of, they had like a waterfall going into them. Yeah. And they're like kind of shushed into the side of the mountain. So they've got like natural rock stuff and, and they're staggered. So they seem like they're almost like part of some fancy. It's supposed to look like a natural spring. Yeah.

It was cool. It's really cool. Anyway, and the nice thing too is there have a rule right now where you can only be, you can only occupy that with you and someone you're with. Someone in the same household. It's like one per hot tub. One person per hot tub unless you live in the same household. So you can't just wander up and go, excuse me,

getting in your freaking hot tub. So that was nice. Once you had one, right? And that's again, we probably benefited from the Sunday through Wednesday thing because hardly anybody was there. So we got the hot tub anytime we wanted it. But anyway, that was a pretty cool deal. Afterwards, there's these two big fire pits where people are, you know, there's chairs.

You can sit around them or whatever. And there's a couple there from Illinois, I remember him saying, and the other couple from Salt Lake and they were all super they just started talking they're probably in their pushing 60s um you know you meet a stranger you get talking and before you know what you're talking about the weather and or politics and or whatever right like that's just how this goes when you're talking they were even a little older because they were talking about their grandkids in school oh yeah that might be they might be so i feel like that had to be a little bit yeah even a little older. So, so they were, there was a lot of, well, did you hear? And no, I can't believe. And why don't

they just blah, blah, blah, blah. Our governor is a real piece of work. Our governor, that kind of thing. Yeah. But they were, they were, they were, what's funny is they were both, uh, seemed pretty conscientious about vaccination. And they were both to say, oh, yeah, we're fully vaxed. We're trying to do this and that. My son's a, my son's a doctor, this and that and all, you know, all these back and forths. That was all fine. They weren't saying anything that was like offending me or anything. No, none of it was negative. It was just really funny. But I couldn't be there very long. To hear people that have never met. What was your name again? Yeah. What was your name again? Oh, Gladys. All right. So here's the story, Gladys.

And I just kept thinking, I think I can sit through this. I think I can sit through this. And the fire's nice. I don't want to leave. But then somebody said something like, what was it? Just something just, it's like a worm that crawled in my apple. And I was just like, all right. He looks at me and goes, I got to get out of here. Yeah, I got to go. I can't do this. We should go inside and pay too much money for a Coke. Which is the other thing I wanted to talk about. That's every hotel. Right. But we got to get some sense to this. All right. So you're already paying a lot for like resort fees and everything else. But this place had this price list of pre and post tax prices for things like a bag of chips. bottle of water, a Pepsi Zero, whatever, right? It's all ridiculous. The water bottles were

five bucks. You've been to Disneyland. I know. It's fine. You've been to BlizzCon. Yeah. Same thing. Those are eight or nine bucks, those water bottles. That's true. Yeah. So it is what it is. When you go to a resort, it's always going to be that way. I just love how they're like proudly. But we did bring our own water bottles. We're, you know. Yeah, we did. We're reusable these days. Yeah, we stayed, uh, hydrated and yeah it was all good i also have one thought about uh cable television programming in hotels okay i haven't i haven't shared this with you so i'm gonna do it now um in the hotel they have you know there always someone's always got food network that's just the deal it's on there right a standard in today's world of television entertainment the food network all right but then

Right above that, they got something called the cooking network, which I hadn't heard of. It was the first time for me. Did you know what existed before? No, I hadn't ever seen it before either. See, now that tells me something because you're on this stuff. You know these things. I mean, at home, we don't have that, so I don't know. Yeah.

When's the last time we stayed anywhere? It's been a while. It may have been here a while. And this app may exist in, like, I could probably run this app on some device and have the cooking network channel, cooking channel, whatever it is. but it's like it's weird because you'll be watching the food network and it's a lot of cooking yeah that's true and then you watch the cooking channel and it's a lot of food no one's cooking anything they're just talking about the food yeah they flip their words it's

like mtd come on or tlc tender tender loving care whatever it's a learning channel yeah Oh, they have a learning channel. And all I learn on there is about a giant twin sisters who are trying to lose a thousand pounds between the two of them. Right? We're learning. I'm not learning. I'm not learning anything.

But anyway, it's just the stark reminder that cable's freaking weird. It's weird. Yeah. You know, it's not what it used to be. Well, and every five minutes is a commercial. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That boat sailed, though. We knew that was bad. That's true. but in like MTV's case I saw no music I know this isn't new either right I saw nothing

I saw a movie with Jennifer Aniston in it part of it and also everything they had on anything was sped up and you could hear it everyone sounded like chipmunks

so they could fit more commercials in well once again you get used to it see this very well could have been the discussion between Illinois and other people

that could have been just complaining about television what's got what's happened to television and the commercials and the you know that could have been That could have been what got them to get up and leave.

That's true. But we didn't do it. We didn't expose them to my problems. No, we just walked away quietly like the normal people we are. We're pretty normal around here. But it was a lot of fun and we look forward to getting away again. If anything, it was too short and I still don't feel prepared to be home and back to it. I don't feel like I'm, I don't feel like I'm ready.

Well, it's because it takes a day, maybe a day and a half to get into vacation. mode to just calm and relax and not have your brain going, uh, yeah, and then to come back after you're, you're now relaxed, you're calm, you're, you know, you're in vacation mode. And then it's like, oh, wait, it's time for TMS. Six days. Six days is what you need. I think, yeah, a week is probably the right amount. Because you get two days to get used to it. By day three, you're friendly, ah. Yeah. And then, four and five. And then sixth day, you're like, okay, I'm ready to get started to get back. Yeah, it's never long enough. You're right. All right. Well, we'll work on that for our next one.

That'll be our 30th. Oh, stop it. I don't like being this old. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's all very good. It's like saying, hey, what are some of the things you've done in your life? Well, I'm still married to the person I fell in love with 30 years later. That's a big thing. That's a good thing. Yeah. Right. What would you, how would you say it? Keep in mind, our 30 years the same year, I turned 50. Holy shit. Fitty, man, you'll be fitty. How do you feel about that?

I don't like it when you say it that way. You don't like Fitty? That's the problem. But you're ready, you're good. I'm fine. Birthdays don't really, I don't have a problem with that. Yeah. And then, so, okay, do you think we'll be one of those couples that hits like, you know, 70 or something?

You know, like Jimmy Carter is like 70 years married now. My parents are 50 years married, really? 50 years married in December of last year. Oh, nice. That's a lot of years of your mom judging everything. Stop. It's a lot, man. But no, for real, like, we'll easily hit 50.

We can do that, right? We could do that. Okay. I mean, Van will be 23. 22, 23 years old. Yeah, that'll be weird. Oh, my gosh. I don't like it.

Why did we bring this up? It's now I'm bummed out. Not really. He won't be laughing like that anymore, unfortunately. He was laughing like that yesterday. We went to, in our HOA subdivision thing, they have boats, little kayaks you can go use. And we took him out last night on the kayaks, and he just can't get it up. He just leans back and just look at the ducks.

Hey, Nana. How are you? It's just real calm about it. But we got done, and he was laughing his head off because we started rolling. Taylor started rolling down the hill of grass to show him how to do it. She was trying to figure out how to roll down the hill. Laughing, laughing, laughing at her. Oh, yeah.

And then finally figured out how to do it and was just couldn't stop laughing. It was so funny. This is an enormous step forward for a kid, any kid of any age. When you do your first roll down a hill in the grass, it's a, it's like, it's like any other. major step in your life. He just didn't know you could get that drunk high feeling from rolling down a hill and make yourself sick. Dude, he was really into it. He's super into it right now. He's such a funny kid. He's like, he wants to, the minute he sees me take my phone out, he knows that means time to sit in my lap and. What's the name of that game? Uh, Jurassic Park, or sorry, Jurassic

World Alive. It's basically Pokemon Go, but with dinosaurs. And he knows how to play it. I picked up my phone. I got a spam risk immediately. at least. I picked it up. I don't want any spam. I'm going to hit decline. Decline. That's him. Yeah. But he loves it. He wants to sit and catch dinosaurs. He wants to watch them walk around. He's upset when we're all out of dinosaurs to catch. And I'm like, well, bud, to do that, we've got to get up and walk like two blocks. And there's some more dinosaurs over there. And, you know, he just doesn't. He wants to, oh, there you go. Oh, I should have taken that call. Talley, that's a good idea. All right,

if I get another spam call during the show, I'll take it. And we'll just see if we can mess with them a little bit on the air because those guys suck all right uh let's uh move on we got it we got a got a uh a segment today der bender we got things today um gonna bring bobby in and we're going to do a little science segment you've never been here for this i haven't you'll have i'm excited yeah i think you'll enjoy it uh bobby joins us most thursdays and we get to hang out and i always play this i think science i'll make you go poo poo yeah that's right it's bobby frankenberger joining us all the way from South Carolina, as he does many Thursdays in the month to talk about some science. Bobby, welcome back to the show. How embarrassing that that's the first thing

that Kim gets to hear from me. I know. You've never voiced to voice with her, and the first words out of your mouth is poo-poo. Well done, dude. Well done. I guess that's my fault. I say that about Scott a lot, too. Yeah. That's true. But look at you, man. How are you doing? How's life. What's what's, what's, uh, what's the world for you right now? How are you feeling? I'm, I'm doing great. Thanks for asking. Oh, well, you know, you want to check him with your friends and see how they're doing. We just haven't been able to do this for a while. And I feel like, uh, you know, we've, uh, we've missed out on some scientific knowledge since you've been gone. Yeah, there's, you know, it's all COVID related usually, so you're not missing out of a lot. Yeah, that's

good point. Uh, so let me ask you this, uh, since Kim's here, it seems like maybe it'd be appropriate if you came with, I don't know, some food science, maybe. Oh, yes. Oh, oh, look, he's ready with food science. Because Kim loves food. No, she loves to cook. That's what she loves. So lay it on us.

What did you bring this week? Is it bad to say that someone loves food? Does that imply, is that why you turned out of that? Like, if I say to somebody, oh, I love food, it feels like I'm saying, I love to just pound it in and never stop and then, you know, be a disgusting pig after her. It feels like that's what I'm saying. No, I love food. Yeah.

It's fine. It's fine to love food. But I really enjoy cooking it. I love food. Yeah, you like cooking it almost more than eating it, right? That's your thing. Speaking of vacations, that's how me and my wife plan all of our vacations. The first thing we do, well, the first thing we do is decide where we're going to stay.

And the second thing we do is find out what restaurants are in walking distance. Absolutely. I totally agree with you. Yeah. We do that too. I'm always looking up, as soon as the city is determined, then it's like, okay, where are we going to go? Yeah. Yeah.

It's what are we going to eat? And can we fit anything else in between those meals? Well, you know, you got to have markers, right? You got to have your, you got to know where you're going to go and then where you're going to eat. And then the rest of it falls into place. Because if you're eating, you're meeting. Nope, that rhyme, but it didn't make any sense. Speaking of meat.

Yeah, meat. I've got a pretty, I've got some food science. to talk about and it's uh it's it's it's probably the most controversial topic that i'm going to bring to you ever like probably ever whoa all right all right i'm in and that is i'm going to make a lot of people mad because um i wanted to look into this i'm going to be grilling some steaks tonight for dinner and i there's always this question that comes up when you're cooking meat on high heat and that is um this idea of of of searing the meat and it's sealing in the juices.

Have you heard this before? Yeah, I have. Yeah. Because that's the idea you sear it and then seal in the juices. Well, that's supposed to be the idea. But what I'm here to tell you is that that is a myth. What? I don't even know what to say.

How is this a myth? Tell me more. I must know more. Well, so yeah. So the question is, does the searing? meat really seal in or lock in the juices? And the short answer to the question is no. But we should talk about what searing actually is and why it's good and why you should

do it anyway, regardless of whether it's sealing in juices. So why do you have the experience, either of you, Kim or Scott, do you guys have the experience of enjoying meat more when you've seared the outside of it, regardless of the meat? You know, chicken steak. Yes, it makes it crispy. Yeah, 100%. juicy, but apparently I was wrong. Well, okay, but if you seared

on the outside, the inside tends to not be, you know, as cooked, like if you're doing, let's say, a rare steak and the outside is, like, seared. That means it's, you know, kind of crispy and brownie and whatever on the outside. And then the inside is all bloody and yummy.

You, in a way, while you didn't, your process didn't seal that in there, as previously discussed, but it's still in there. You know what I mean? The juices are still in there. Well, the thing about cooking any meat and why it doesn't seal anything.

First of all, if you've ever seen a piece of cooked meat, or even if it's seared, like, if you really think about it a little bit, the idea of it locking anything in is not really all that plausible. It's not like it creates an impenetrable shell. There are cracks all throughout the surface, and juice comes out of that crack. yeah um so so the and and heating up meat in general what what when you heat up meat what it does is the proteins that are in the meat they they um they sort of denature and then they shrink and squeeze a little bit and they actually squeeze juice out of the meat they squeeze the water out of the meat so it sort of does the opposite of just the act of heating stuff up does that but you're not

wrong, Scott, about what you said about the uneven nature of the heating because it's, when you're searing something, you're doing it with really high heat. Right. And it cooks the outside and then the inside tends to be cooler. And what that does is it, the inside is going to more slowly cool. And the outside that is heating up and squeezing out juices, some of those, some of that moisture is going to come out just on its own. But it's, some of it is actually going to get pushed further in. And, and so for a little while, the inside of the meat does seem to be juicier. Yeah. But it's not that the searing is locking it in there.

It's just that the act of heating in general has pushed moisture into the center of the meat, like the steak, say. And what do they always say after you cook meat? What are you supposed to do? Do you cut into it and eat it right away? I mean, I do. Well. I mean, if you're asking me what I do.

You're supposed to let it sit. Are you? Yeah. Right. How long you're supposed to let it sit? What's the deal there? I don't, I think people do different things, but I think like the general rule of thumb is what, like five minutes or so? Okay, five minutes of sitting.

That's a lifetime for me when there's a big fresh steak in front of me. Well, it's about the time it takes to tell you, hey, there's a steak up here for you and you come upstairs. It's about five minutes. Okay. So you artificially control my steak clock is what you're saying. Yes. Okay, that's fine. The state clock.

Good to know. Meat clock. Why do we call them juices, by the way? Why don't we call them? Because it's kind of gross, isn't it? Juice. Juice is like a fruit thing. Juice out of a piece of meat seems like a weird thing that we've done.

That's just for you. Meat juice. All right. Sorry. Anyway. We don't call it meat juice. Call it broad. Not if you want to not be grossed out.

But so the reason you let it sit, though, is because the parts of the meat that you've cooked that have tightened up and they're squeezing out juices and then they pushed a bunch of that extra juice into the center of the cut where it's cooler the reason you let it sit is because as the the meat on the outside cools off again those proteins like kind of open back up and that that juice that was that that moisture that was pushed to the to the inside cool parts of the steak um slowly migrate back out to the rest of the steak where because because the proteins are are moving farther apart that's why you're letting it rest oh that's interesting So, so you're really talking about the, like, the microphysics of this thing in a way.

And you don't think about that usually when you eat. When you eat, you're like, that's too well done or that's too bloody or my fork fell on the floor or whatever, right? But instead we're saying, no, no, no, let's get down on the microscopic level. What's actually going on? What is your food doing? I think that's a good way to think about food. I feel like it makes us more aware. Aware is a good way of putting it, but also just instead of me looking at a plate with a bunch of things on it that I want to do.

devour in no time flat. Instead, I can maybe take a second and go, well, all right, I'm enjoying this because it's done this way and it's got a physicality of the deal. And you know what I mean? Like, I can, yeah, I can reabsorbed all the fluids on the plate. And you're, the juices, Kim, the juices is what they're called, the meat juice. But the point is like, you know, thinking about your food more probably is a better way of approaching a meal than just scarfing it down and hoping your body reacts the way.

you're used to you know what I mean mindful eating there you go slow down and mindfully eat your food yes mindfully eat it for sure and you can appreciate a lot of where all the flavor and stuff is happening and why it's there so why do we seer then because I did say

you should still I plan on searing steaks tonight and it's still better to seer the steaks and the reason is because there's something interesting chemically happening when you you seer the steak and it creates that brown crust The interesting thing is that it tastes delicious.

Yeah, that's the important part. That's what we want in the end, right? Right. Right. So that's the trade-off, right? Technically, so some people will tell you, oh, you need to actually grill your steaks at a super low temperature because that makes it so the moisture doesn't get pushed out and it becomes more moist on the inside.

So the trade-off of searing is actually it does end up drier. That's true. But not significantly drier if you're not overcooking. the inside. It's just a little bit drier on the outside, but the trade-off is you're getting this delicious outside, and it's caused by a reaction called the Mallard reaction. I'm sorry, the Mallard reaction? There's an A-in-there-A-I at the beginning, mail. Mail-lard. Mail-lard. So, wait a minute. Is that a guy's name? Is that... Yeah, this guy back in the 1800s who discovered this was something, something mail-ard.

Got it. What, man, what is, okay, can we just... First guy making your steaks. For a second here. Why do we always name stuff after people when they've got the worst names? Like, Asperger's is a terrible name. Mailard is a bad name. Like, you need to be the Johnson effect or the Wilson attribute or something.

Yeah, the crispy delicious effect. There you go. That's what I want. Oh, I don't know why that annoys me. I always hate it when someone gets something named after them and they have the worst name. It's like, dude, you know what. you have a bad name and now you've ruined it forever, but whatever. Heimlich. There's another one.

Heimlich maneuver. Heimlich, yeah. I don't know. Heimlich is good because it kind of like sounds like what's happening, you know? That's true. That's true. It's kind of like, You don't want to call that the Johnson effect. No. No, you don't want the Johnson effect no matter what you do. So when you, okay, let me ask you this.

Yeah. You can sear a steak on a pan and you can sear a snake, sneer a snake, sear a steak on a grill in your hand in your hand and we're going you can sear a steak yeah keep on dr seuss rolling in his grave what's left of him so why are they so different wildly different because when you do it with a with a grill it's so much better than with a pan but you're still kind of doing the same thing so well i don't know i think that comes down to taste right like i think some people do like it on a pan. You have to

get it hot enough. Like a cast iron skillet can get hotter than your regular like Teflon pan and it'll hold that heat more easily because like you know Kim you know this whenever you put food onto a pan you have to expect and you have to know

it's going to cool down right? Yes to some degree. As soon as you put food on it the temperature of the pan goes down. Yes. Cast iron is probably your best bet on that because a lot of the grill things on your grill

are made from cast iron oh you mean the grill what are those called greats you're so great yeah you're very great with the grates

do you put your stakes up high on the grates because that means you're a high stakes kind of guy oh gosh married 29 years anyway

the reason it's so good to make sure you keep that high temperature though is because Temperature is really important in the mired, myard reaction, I think, is what Lennonade in the chat room said that I was pronouncing. Oh, it's mired? Okay. Yeah, so forget everything we said about mail lard.

I'm not sure mired is any better, but it's fine. Whatever. But temperature is really, really important there because you have to have it hot enough. So the mired reaction, what it is is it's a very complex reaction between proteins and sugars. So meat is a lot of protein, but there is sugar. inside there are sugars inside there and in the presence of heat it causes the proteins and the sugars to combine in a certain way that creates delicious tastes and smells and all kinds of stuff it actually doesn't happen to just meat it happens in bread bread gets its brown color on the

outside because of that potatoes when you cook potatoes or coffee even um oh weird it gets its brown and it's aroma from the mired reaction. Like everything that you can roast or toast or grill, like all those things that vegetables undergo this sometimes or oftentimes.

Now if you get, uh, if you get burnt, is that what makes, the same thing. Well yeah, but no, I know that. But is it, is that what makes it third degree is that you got the mired effect happening on your arm or your bag or whatever? I think that just has to do with how much of your, how much, what layer of

skin you have burned through. I mean, and I say this knowing... He's caramelized real nicely, Mr. John. I can't think of anything worse than like the third degree burning, so I'm just saying, but, you know, so I'm not trying... If you start doing a mired reaction, it would be confusing, though, right? It's really painful, but also smells great. Right?

Think about that. I've always thought about this. Like, if you walk into a house where someone's burning, does your brain get the conflict in your head of like, I know there's someone. burning upstairs. I like his reaction. There's, oh boy, here we go. Yeah, I know, everyone does. I've been around long enough.

This is, I love to, I like to, I like thought experiments. So you, but you, and you know what's happening, it's horrible. You're getting in there to save this man, whatever you got to do. But also you smell, a lovely, wafting, you know, barbecue-y kind of goodness. Are you going to be distracted by your mouth-watering? But then, okay, but my guess is what happens is then you have no taste for. it anymore like you would you would experience that and then the next time you lose the taste for human flesh yeah yeah but you wouldn't want to eat a steak again because you'd be kind of PTSD about it right

I might be like I think I might be yeah I could never be a firefighter no oh I couldn't for that reason no although I Kim and I kept seeing a promo for some show on what network was it true the true network and they had some comedy about firefighters it looked okay it looked all right it looked really funny Yeah, like maybe a kind of a superstore kind of vibe. I don't know. It seemed all right. Anyway, well, all right. Food science, everybody.

We've done it. We've learned it. We love our steaks. And I'm jealous of what you're going to eat tonight. That's pretty rad. Why don't you share with the folks what else is going on on your show where they can find it, all that stuff? I will. I'm going to give you the last couple of tips for if you're cooking your meat and you don't,

and you want to maximize the mired reaction because you need it to get hot enough. If it's not hot enough, Kim, Have you ever put too much chicken in a pan and tried to cook it and it just boils basically? It just boils. It just all the water comes out of it. It just gross. Wait, is that juice as well? Is that a chicken juice?

Is that what we're talking about? Yeah? Yeah, chicken juice. But you don't want that to happen. So you want it to be dry. So if you're going to cook your steak or any meat, dry it out first is a good idea. And pat it down, dry it out. And if you're going to salt it, you need to salt it either right before.

you cook it immediately before or or a long time before like 45 minutes ahead so that why is that had it down and salt it I got you why what would be the point of uh salt I mean if you salted it while it was cooking that's a bad idea you don't want to do that okay um but like when you're cooking a steak like if you're grilling you often want that crust on the outside and salt can be a really tasty component to that so people will salt ahead of time um but the reason you don't want to do it too far ahead of time is because salt draws the water out. And if you bring water to the surface, then it, it interferes with that reaction happening because if you have a bunch of water on the surface of the meat, then that has to like steam off first. And that water can only get up to like 100 degrees Celsius. And it needs to be hotter for this mired reaction to happen. That makes sense. Yeah. So anyway, those are your two tips. But yeah, so enjoy your steak. But if you want to hear, more about science-y stuff. Yeah, I've got the all-around science podcast. We just this past week talked about hurricanes because we're in the middle of hurricane season. So just enjoying the

science of how hurricanes form, which is really fascinating, actually. How, like, it just, you wonder, like, how is there nothing in the middle of the ocean and then suddenly a gigantic storm? Right. That's what I wonder. We have a cool listener, hunts the wind, who flies into those things in like a airplane, goes right into the center of it and does a bunch of readings and science stuff and it blows me away it's one of the coolest jobs of any listener i'm sure that we have it's such a rat thing that's pretty fat but uh it's intense man it's a giant storm it's yeah we talk about what they do on the on that episode we talk about why they're going into the storms yeah um flying into them it's not just for fun yeah it's uh it's it's not yeah believe it or not

yeah hurricanes hurricanes not just for fun anymore turns out all around science find it wherever you get your podcast. Bobby, have a fantastic week. We'll see you soon. Thanks. Bye now. Okay. Okay. Bobby's great. I think we like to have steaks for dinner now. It sounds so good. You know, you're not wrong. I would eat a steak right now. Do we have some? We do. For real? For real. Like that we can just take out and put on a thing? I have to defrost them. Are you worried about Maynard being? I will. I will defrost them and then pat them down and assault them. I mean, insult them. Salt, I see what you did there.

See, I would be teased for that, but because it's you and everyone will love your joke. All right. Yeah, that's how that'll go. Here's the deal. Do we want to, so when that happens, do we just say a little thought in our head for Mr. Maynard, who it's named after? Or Maynard. Myard. Myard.

All right. So I'll say, oh, look, it's that my art effect. And then we'll quietly bow our heads and say, we're grateful for my yard. And then we'll eat steak. Yeah, I look forward to it. all right uh that's that get a little protein in your life everybody let's move on and do a little bit of the news here it is good morning good morning everybody in the news this morning good morning time for us to do the news brought to you by a little show called the skim show that's short for scott and kim show let's talk about it for a second uh all right it's the show kim and i try to do every week although sometimes we get bummed it's busy lives busy busy lives but we get to sit around and talk about uh it's a lot like this honestly we get to just kind of hang out and talk and uh We usually don't have much of a format, like TMS has more of a format, but we talk about our kids and about van and about stuff and what's going on in our lives. Yeah, what weird neighbor thing happened, that kind of stuff.

Everyone wants to hear about our neighbors. I meant to ask Bobby, so hurricane-wise, real quick here. So Kim's from a little town called Bay St. Louis, Mississippi. And a little, I guess the town is now kiln. Is it kiln? No, that's just where my parents. That's where your parents moved to, okay. Correct.

Which is the hometown of Brett Fav. Okay, so that gives you an idea of how cool that is. Not really. She went to high school with Brett Farr. Yeah, she went to high school with Brett Farr. I was like a freshman. He would not know who I was. Yeah, he had a bit of a reputation at the school.

And I didn't. For some reason, there is a dog in my crotch. Hello, Riener. Hello. Riner just showed up. I don't know how she got in here. It's fine, though. The door wasn't shut.

It's totally fine. That's your fault. So what was my point? Oh, so she grew up around there and seen her share of storms, although you never lived there during one of the massive ones. I guess when you were a little baby, you did. My dad did. My dad was there for Hurricane Camille. Camille, which is the one that put like whole ships up into the coast, right? Yeah.

I was there for Hurricane Elena, but we did stay home. It didn't flood. Yeah. But we were out of electricity for two weeks. Two weeks? We cooked. I remember cooking grits over an open fire in the backyard. Ooh, did that make him tolerable so you could actually stand the grits?

I love grits. What are you talking about? I like your grits. You make good grits. I'll give you that. But most grits, most places, not good. Kim makes amazing grits, though. I do.

Cheesy grits. That's the key. Get the cheese in there. Some people like their sweet. You need your cheese. You need your salty business and your butter. Yeah. And maybe just salty butters on you.

And if you really like tomatoes, they're really good in that too. Hold on a minute. What if I don't like tomatoes? Then don't put tomatoes in yours. All right, don't put that in there. Anyway, the point is, a lot of people have asked if Ida affected anybody we know. We do have family, or Kim has family down there in Louisiana still, but they're up north more? No, I mean.

Or how did we know yet? Have we heard how everyone fared? Not yet. We've been out of town. Not yet. I'm going to talk to my dad today. He will have talked to everyone, find out if anyone was in trouble. I think a lot of them evacuated.

yeah to up north right which you know again they're all kind of used to this in a way because well used to it yes sick of it also yeah they don't want to they don't want to deal with it anymore did you see those subway videos in new york the the storms from ida we're like dumping rain in the subways they're not rain just flooding yeah it's really bad anyway uh storms they're no fun and um but we don't think anybody has has been hurt on our side but we'll you know like you'll check with your dad today and see what's going on. All right. So that was kind of preoccupied our brains when we first got up to the Park City.

It was like, oh. Well, it was 16 years to the day. That was crazy. It was on our anniversary 16 years ago. And don't forget, wasn't it 05 that your parents moved here earlier that same year? It was 04 exactly to the day, which is really crazy. Oh, I didn't know that. That's weird. Okay, so it was a year.

The day before Katrina hit, they moved here, which is really weird, too. Yeah, and the house they moved from water to the ceiling, right? Nine feet. Oh, yeah, that's bad. Water. That is water to the ceiling. Nine feet. Yeah, it was in the, the, what is it next to your gutters, the soffets.

What? What's that? I've never heard of that. It's right up under your gutters. A soffet? Yes. I don't like these new words I'm learning. yeah so she's uh did the dog leave no i think so okay anyway she's got um resilient southern

uh family who uh are pretty good at being doing all the right stuff being prepared all that so they're doing okay all right moving on that has nothing to do with the skim show although it probably will because we'll talk about it but watch for one of those coming soon if you haven't subscribed to it you can find it over at frogpants.com slash skim or wherever we get your podcast all right Let's move to this story. A woman was arrested for using a fake Madurna vaccine. I said that that way for a reason. To travel to Hawaii.

And Hawaii is super, super hardcore about this. They're not playing around. They don't want... They're just hardcore. They are asking people to stop coming. Yeah. Guys slow down. Just a few of you at a time.

Everyone's stand in line. Change your vacation plans and don't come here basically is what they're saying. They just don't have a lot of hospitals and places for the people that live there. that get COVID. Yeah. To, you know, be hospitalized. Yeah. So it's really scary when you're running out of space on the beaches and then you're

running out of space in hospitals. So I can only imagine. Then you have dumb people like this who sneak in with a fake thing. You're like, why? If you're going to be loud and proud about not getting your vaccine, don't pretend you did. Yeah. Here's the, here's column A and column B. Column A, free.

Go into a. anywhere and get the vaccine and you've got a free vaccine and you are now you're legitimately vaccinated and you can go anywhere you want that may need you to show proof of said vaccination option two column two is what she chose from which is make a fake one put a very unfortunate miss spelling yeah and then get find a ton of money and possibly jail time but column a also helps keep people safe well yeah but let's think about it for a minute I'd like put, there's a boot I could put on and put in a certain place with her if she didn't mind. That sounds terrible.

All right. So, this is an Illinois woman. She traveled to Hawaii with a fake COVID-19 vaccination card and it had a major typo according to authorities. Police arrested Chloe Mrozak, age 24. Carter, it's one of yours. It's one of your people. After receiving a tip that she used a fake vaccine card to get into Hawaii on August 23rd. Oh, they received a tip.

Yeah, they got a tip. So someone called it in. Yeah. somebody somebody's not the friend you think they are if you're going to do that don't tell anyone

just don't do that just don't do that Hawaii News Now that's the name of the organization reported this story she allegedly submitted the fraudulent document to bypass a mandatory

10-day quarantine for unvaccinated visitors the air that stood out for authorities was Moderna spelled normally M-O-D-E-R-N-A was spelled Madurna

M-D-E-R-R- which sounds like Medea, the lady, the man lady. What's the deal with that? I can't think the guy's name. Medea, what's the deal with that? Yeah, that sounds like one of the movies. Medea, what's the deal with that? Anyway, the handwritten card stated that Mro-Zak, sounds like she's her own kind of pill.

That name. It's crazy name. Received two doses of COVID-19 vaccine in Delaware from National Guard members. Officials in Delaware reportedly told investigators that could not find evidence of her vaccinations in their medical records. Investigators said they initially had trouble tracking down Rosak because the hotel reservation she gave an airport screener was also incorrect. Oh.

Yeah. About twice. I heard about one of these in going into Canada, they decided to use fake vaccination cards and were fined over $8,000. I don't know if that was individually or together. Eight grand. Yeah. And then probably kicked off of that airline for the rest of their lives.

In Canadian, that's like 10 grand. I don't actually know that. But I just, it's, that's kind of crazy. Yeah, what a, it's a lot of, someone says, awful lot of fraud just to go to Hawaii. I agree, Siddian. Completely agree with that. Absolutely.

Why would you do that to yourself? Just get the vaccine. Carter says the fact that these people believe that the consequences of their actions is discrimination. It should be studied. Oh, it will be. Trust me, it will be. Oh, it's true.

Moving on. Belgian woman. Let's get to the waffles. Okay? This is important stuff. A Belgian woman was banned from a zoo because the officials there claim that she had an affair with a chimpanzee. Oh, okay. Yeah.

That's friends with... In the past, the last time she was at the zoo? Like, what's going on here? They call that friends with banana fits. Get it? Banana fits? Do you get it? I got it.

Okay. Yeah, this is not an onion article. I want to make this clear. A woman in a Belgian zoo is banned from visiting its chimpanzees after striking up too close to a relationship with one of the primates. They say that the Andy Timmerans has been dropped by the Antwerp Zoo. Antwerp Zoo. I just love how that sounds. On a weekly basis, all for the sake of seeing Cheetah, a 38-year-old chimp, who calls

the zoo home. Uh, this isn't a recent, recent relationship either. Timerins and Chita have been having these little rendezvous in the past four years, waving and blowing kisses to each other from a distance. Seems harmless, doesn't it? So what's the zoo's beef? Yeah. Well, uh, this is what they say now. Her, her presence in the area was proving to be a detriment, uh, detriment to Cheetah's social development. So it's not like they caught them making out in the freaking snack room, okay, or whatever. There was no, like, lady cheetah, not cheetah, like, not like the tiger. Oh, my goodness.

Not like the wild cat is what I meant to say. Okay. I'll let you have it. The chairroom's throwing me. Cheetah spelled Chi-I, or no, C-H-I-T-A. Che-I. Would you like a chai? Cheetah, tie?

Okay, don't start. You did it to me. All right. What was I saying? I don't remember that. They weren't, like, human. Yes, it was just an emotional affair. Yeah, they weren't, like, coital or whatever, you know.

Anyway, so she's 38 and she's out of there. No, that's the name of the, that's the, that's the, She's 38 and she's out of there. All right. She's been getting down. Next on the menu, sir. I don't think you're going to get through this very easily. Oh, did you hear Joe Rogan got the COVID and he's using the horse cream, the dewormer, yeah.

I've heard that just gives people like the permanent poop so they can't stop pooping. that happens there. Okay. Good luck with that. I still don't understand anyone that is going, I don't know what's in your vaccine. I'm not taking it. Give me that. Yeah, give me the one.

Give me the horse pills. Yeah, no, yeah. It's like, what's it like? Oh, I saw a great quote yesterday. It said, I'm not taking that vaccine. I don't know what's in there. But now, pardon me, I just received my pills online that I ordered from a podcast. It's like my supplements or whatever.

Oh, we. don't have any supplements here. Don't you worry. Um, all right. Where are we now? Let's go. Let's be, let's be done with news and, uh, take a break. When we come back, my sister, Wendy will be here. So this should be interesting. It's like a whole family here, man. There you go. It's weird. We're going to talk about parents and couples. Okay. All right. All right. So some of you young, youngers who got married or got born born when Kim and I were married, uh, whatever. You'll probably get some entertainment out of it. So I'll stick around for that. Uh, we're going to play a quick song. Uh, now, as you know, with, with, with

Brian being gone, I'm, I really don't work that hard on getting the music right. I just kind of want to have something. And I just like stuff that I like. So today, our middle song is going to be 22Z. Oh, no, that's not the name of the band. It's called, oh, geez, Scott. You know, I thought I had this ready. Give me just a moment here.

TMS covers. Here we go. Scott's Songs of the Week. Here it is. New slang. So this is that new slang cover that I love by Samantha. Urbani. We played it on the show before, but it's a chance to play it again because I really like it. So if you like New Slang as a song, then you'll really like this version of it. And it's also,

I don't think that's, I think that song's still not available on an album anywhere. So I think this is the only place you're going to hear it. Anyway, enjoy this. This is New Slang by Samantha Urbani. And we'll be back in just a moment. Ooo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-who-who-who-who-who-who-all-to-all-in-my-mo, oh-you-all in my mouth. Only I don't know how they got. Dear Turn me back into the pit I was when we met

I was happier than with the mindset And if you took To me life A girl takes you to the wind Oh I'm a job From my truth And I dance like the king of the eyesore

And the rest of my lives would have farewell New slime Can you notice the stripes The dirt in your fries Hope it's right when you die Old and bony Dawn breaks like I pull through the hall My foot should have a cold

Put my heads to the wall And I'm lonely And if you took To me a life Go take to the wind Who I'd have jumped From my dream And I dance like the king of the eyes

Or the rest of my lives would have been well Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh

Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh What It's been Oh

and bleeding to her bones till they melt away I'm looking in on the ground I might be Don't have to find We out of trust I'm playing in the field Am I too down to refine And if you talk

To me in like well I'd dance like the queen of me I saw And the rest of our lives could fare well Seven, oh, oh, oh, oh. 0.5,000 miles per hour. 7.5,000 miles an hour. Have you gone crazy? Use your bat loom.

Her name is the morning stream, and she dances on the sand. literally saying use your bat lube and then in the cartoon he uses bat lube to get out of a sticky situation yeah lube honey lube breaks down the sticky situation oh yeah I don't know why that's I don't know my head with that all right let's move on we're going to get my sister Wendy all up in it because today is a chance for us to create kind of a almost like a thanksgiving kind of situation here we're all together you know me and you and all related in some way, your sister-in-law, my sister, and who knows what horrible thing that's said. So I'm pretty excited about this, except I can't find Wendy's name. Great. This is going

great. Oh, there it is. Wendy with an eye. I always remember Wendy's the only, she's the only person who doesn't create an avatar on Discord or anything else she ever uses because she doesn't care the way the rest of us care about stupid things like avatars. So she doesn't have a photo for any of it. She doesn't do any of that. They're pretty fun though. Come on. I agree. That's why people do it. It's a huge thing. But Wendy's like, nah, not for me.

I think that's just her general take on that stuff. All right. We're calling. We're calling. We're walking. I'm going to pause this for a second. Look who it is, everybody. It's my sister Wendy. Hi, Wendy. Hi. Hi. Kim's here. Hi.

Hi. Hi. Kim's here. Hi. Kim how are you are you do you get dragged into these things or do you like this i do like this do you like this i knew you were going to ask something like that yeah no look um i'm glad she's willing of course but uh she's one of the more um you know like whenever we do the guest host thing she's the one that gets the most uh raves people like having oh that's nice perfect i don't know why i think it's get rid of brian that guy yeah that guy that guy with his traveling to ireland pants anyway oh so fun he's lucky he's going now because

Iceland's shutting down lots of other places are not letting Americans come in Ireland does have a soft spot for us though he has a slight concern I would have this too that they're going to shut him down while he's there meaning not him in particular

yeah that sounds awesome like they don't want us traveling they want to put in new restrictions for for people coming here and going out but what happens if you're already out like do you just stay i don't know do they test you i mean i feel like america doesn't have any standards so i feel like they'd let you back in yeah well the irish are great i'm not worried about how they'd take care of them if you got stuck there but they're pretty great yeah uh well there's a time in our country's

history we treated them like crap you know oh we always pick people to treat like crap then it changes is there anyone we haven't uh let's see well let me say this the swedes you all think oh Swedes, right? They're so blonde and beautiful. The Swedes were treated so badly when they got here. They had to create an entire hospital system because they were not treated in regular hospitals. Wow, really? I didn't know that. That's crazy. So it turns out we were anti-white blondes for a while. You know what I like? I like, this isn't today's topic, but maybe it should be one day. History, like reading about stuff like, like, I know everyone's sick of talking about

vaccinations and stuff, but the whole anti-vac stuff is nothing new. Like not even close to new. Like there were times, there was a time during, I was reading just two days ago, now I've forgotten the details. But basically George Washington mandated that all the soldiers got inoculated for smallpox because there was a blast of smallpox going around. and there was a huge, like, movement of anti, no, we're not doing it. We're never going to do it.

Whatever. Like, this happens every time. There's a thing. Is it just because we don't like to be told what to do? I think so. I think so. I think so. Don't you, Wendy?

Like, it's just kind of Americans. Yeah. It's very specific to Americans. Yeah. Well, we're worse. Do I think like, okay. Yeah, you're right. Everyone who came here initially were like, quit telling me what to do back in England or

back in wherever. And so then they came and just. kept doing that and then you know yeah that's true it's amazing to me to see people they're like i'm not going to do it well this could save your life so yeah i mean this could save your the people you care about's life so so but but it but like oh that's weird did you lose your mic honey oh pull out your thing and shove it back in there way just the little kid the thing i took off earlier and then blow on it. Pull it out, blow on it.

Sorry, she's got a cable. This is getting dirty and your sister's on the fuss. It's not good for anybody. We're good. I thought I cleaned that up. Anyway, but I went on this tear of like finding all of this historic stuff about the 18, 17 stuff, or 1917 rather, other outbreaks in the 1800s. Like, there's always a faction of people who lose their minds and usually in greater

numbers than we even have now. Like it's easy to just go, oh, this is the worst. but it kind of isn't we have more vaccinations nationally than we've had in these other cases I'm mentioning either vaccinations or inoculations or whatever stage we're at with the science and it helps me deal with it is what I'm getting at yeah it's old yeah history helps me because history's like oh yeah right in 69 things look like the whole world's going to die yeah that's true or in whatever other year where you know because you're not there or you didn't experience it. It's kind of like how I view 9-11 and how Nick views 9-11.

Right. Nick sees it. Nick was one and has no connection to it other than, I mean, he knows it was bad. But I also knew that Pearl Harbor was bad, but I didn't have the emotional connection to Pearl Harbor. My parents did, or their parents, for that matter. So, I don't know why I'm saying all this, but the point is, like, I find it cathartic to read, I guess I think history is more important.

than ever. That's what I'm saying. We should read history and pretend that and stop pretending like we're all experiencing everything for the first time. You know what I mean? Like just get some perspective. We are experiencing it for the first time as the individual, which is I think what reading history does is it calms that down. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You're not special. Just pay attention to it. It does help, right? And I do think there's more to this. I was thinking, Okay, why does anti-vaxing sort of always exist whenever there is a thing? And so I'm trying to think of like the psychology of what it is. So the initial stuff was, of course, a slave introduced the technique that had been started in Africa to bucket mather.

What's his name? Cotton Mather. Yeah. Bucket. And he showed how you have to make a scratch and then you get an infected person's scratch. And then you share the fluid and, you know, like obviously that was the original, at least starting from modern history on this continent. That's how you vaccinated somebody. And I think, man, that is gross.

Right? Like that is, that would go against your senses or your sensibility and to have to believe that that was helpful. And this dude is like, I'm hearing this from a slave who was way smarter than him and was showing him how to do it. And the guy's acting like, uh, and then he starts researching it and figuring it out. And, you know, and it comes from a, I think there's a biological something about it. Like, you're a little creeped out. You got to smear someone's blood on your blood for good reasons, right? Like, that is a normal.

And I wonder, too, even just shots, thinking of how we take shots and some are deathly afraid and others, it's no big deal. But I do wonder if there isn't something also at kind of human core to this that. this is why it exists throughout history versus if they're like, okay, stand in the suns. I don't know. People will do weird stuff.

Like smear oil on things. Look, if somebody said to you, let's just say that, okay, I like hypotheticals. So everyone just play with me here for a second, okay? But let's say somebody said to you, all right,

we found out the only cure for cancer, heart disease, and three other things, is you got to sit down and drink a hot glass of your uncle's vomit. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I know, right? That's my point. Like, who would do that? It doesn't have to be your uncle. Uncle Joel. Oh, my gosh. I'll say it's like, I don't know, any, it's just that you've got to drink the vomit of someone,

someone who had a heart attack. I don't know. And then, and if, and let's say the science was there, like it was there. We would all, on the ground level anyway, when this was first to introduce. The anti-vaxxers. Everyone of us.

Right. We'd be anti-puke drinkers, right? But later they'd figure out a way to synthesize it and science it up and get it to a place where it's not just literally drinking a glass of somebody's fresh vomit. It would be you taking a pill or a shot or some other method of getting it. And then we'd all go, all right, okay, we're here now. You know? So that's what that feels like. The original scratch and I'll share my blood with you is a little gross and off-putting. But we're so far past that now, you know? Yeah, it's a lot easier. yeah so there's the story hope you guys enjoyed it all right yeah we're really scientists here so truly right this down truly all right let's uh let's let's do let's get to this now carter is in the chat room listening so this should be fun hi carter this isn't really about her but uh we thought it'd be interesting to talk about parents and at whatever stage you see your kids about to make a mistake and you know it's a mistake at least in your estimation it's a mistake because we'll get into that, like what you perceive as a mistake may not be a generation, you know,

who feels it's the mistake you think they're making. But let's say it's something simple like, you know, your kid's going to touch the burning stove. They don't know what that's like yet. And you as a parent now have a choice. Do I let them, this may be an extreme example, but do I let them touch it and experience that and never want to touch it again? And now they've learned, truly learned through life's experience that they shouldn't touch a burning stove. or do I step in and hopefully what I say is enough to dissuade them from doing that and finding out the hard way that it's really burning and hot? And then move from that very simple sort of obvious thing up to, you know, you've got a kid who's,

I don't know, let's say, let's just use an example, three years into college and decide they're going to drop out and become a, I don't know. Musician. Fan life. Hashtag Van life. Yeah, Van Life. Van Life. Van Live. Hashtag Van Life. Or something like that. And you're in the same, it's kind of the same

situation where you could step in and go, you shouldn't do this. And here's all the reasons why. And if you're going to live here, you can't do it. And you know, all your whatever. Yeah. But when they go and do that anyway, they really hate that you did that. Right. So that's the question. Do you just sort of stand back and go, whoa, that sounds challenging. But hey, hashtag van life. Yolo. Get out of here. You know, go for it. Whatever. That kind of stuff. And when to know, when you should step in when you shouldn't step in. But moreover, I want to know how you stop yourself from stressing because I'm a big believer in like, like if one of our kids says, Dad, I want to, I'm going to become a Broadway star.

And I'd go, all right. All right. Here we go. I'm stoked for you. Even though inside I'd be going, well, I know what that means and that's going to be really hard and I don't know how you're going to do it. And there's going to be this temptation to say something. The hard part for me isn't not actually saying something or not letting them make their

mistake or their success on their own. but how it eats me up in between. Yeah. That's a problem because I think Kim and I as parents are pretty good at this concept. We're bad at stewing on it later or during. I literally bit my tongue not to say anything because I thought they've got to learn this on their own. They have to figure it out. But yeah, I'm up at two in the morning going, oh, what if and why?

And oh my gosh, why couldn't I talk them out of this? Yeah. So that's where we're coming at from this angle. How do you want to approach this? Yeah, that's tough. Okay, so you guys will be the guinea pigs, but let's talk about your foo and those who do real steps with me know what I'm saying. Oh, your foo. So, foo is your family of origin.

Yeah. And people have lots of things that are modeled to them. They are trained in the art of because of their family of origin, right? So let's think about it for a minute. And sometimes we do just what we're trained to do. Sometimes we rebel against that training and try to do the opposite, but it ends up having the same impact. Right.

So we all are kind of at different stages with A, recognizing our food issues and or, you know, how we parent in relationship to that. So, okay. So this is a general question for everyone, but you guys can answer. What is your parent style with you growing up with the same thing of And you can both look back and say, oh, I made some mistakes. Like, how did your parents handle it? And we don't need to grade them necessarily, but just what was their style?

And then we'll talk about how that then what happens later. So think about your parents' style in raising you with kind of letting you make mistakes, giving you freedom to, you know, enough rope to hang yourself or not. Or, you know, what was their, what was their style? All right. Well, I'll tell you what my mom's was. uh she was the one that was always worried about something going bad and would like be sort of uh you know nervous and tell me not to do a thing dad is the opposite he'd be like no let him do it

it's fine let him let him try it's what what wasn't you know what does it hurt or whatever like he would be he was super stoked about you know i think like for example me always saying when i was younger i just want to be an artist or a whatever he was super uh supportive of that every step of the way, every minute of that, whereas I think mom was just nervous about it all the time. Even if she didn't outright say it, her style was to be like, oh, I don't know, I don't know, that kind of thing. And my dad's style was like, no, go for it. You know, you don't want to die wondering if you could have, you better go for it. And I'm really glad he did, but that was their difference in styles. Kim, what was your deal? My parents were really strict. We had a large

household in the second of ten and it was kind of my way or the highway just to keep order I feel like that's a lot of bodies yeah it's a lot of bodies a lot going on we learned very early age to work really hard because everyone had to pull their weight yeah and don't and i don't want to under i don't want him to undersell this like two of her brothers had uh were born with fetal alcohol syndrome all three of the adopted brothers right they were all yeah adopted right So they're adopted. They've got these other issues and challenges. And then just the normal stuff you have with a big family.

Like, I don't know how they did it. Yeah. It was, it was by being strict. Yeah. We were strict. We grew up on five acres. We had a huge garden. We worked really hard.

We took care of animals. We, you know, all those things. And so it kept us very busy. But I think a lot of that came from, that's the only way we're all going to stay sane is we all stay busy when it was very. strict. Yeah. Very disciplined, yeah.

Okay, so think about both of you a mistake. You don't have to share it, but a mistake you made and how, or we're about to make or something and then, like, what did your parents do? Good or bad. I mean, it could be either, I don't want to throw any living relatives under the bus. Well, see, I grew up in Mississippi. Still, corporal punishment was the thing.

You still got paddled at school. um if you whatever you did wrong even if it was the whole class and everyone got paddled um my parents still i mean there was still that going on at home where i was because of where i was and cousins and other family same thing it was just where we were yeah um we didn't bring that into our home because i i think that it was part of my growing up because of where i was right i think that was not the case here. Well, I don't know. I mean, in our, I feel like you and I talked, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but early in the marriage, early in the parenting cycle, I feel like we made it pretty clear to each other. We wanted to make communication the first form of discussion or the first

form of any approach to any problem that the kids would have. And it would never be immediate grounding or anything physical, like, was not interesting to us. I think I got immediately grounded because it was easier to keep me home and be in trouble than even figure out what I did wrong. There were times when I was like, I don't even remember what I did to get in trouble. Yeah. Like if, like here, I'll give you a scenario, even though this isn't, this isn't one that happened, there's a whole separate story as to why it didn't happen.

But let's say Tather comes home from school and she's got a big tattoo on her arm or something. in high school. Now, if you don't want your kids to get tattoos, you're now faced with a choice. Do you, you know, do you go hard and say, you're grounded, maybe forever, and you know, I'm just really pissed, whatever. You could do that and really demonize it

and have, you know, have it become this really big dividing issue in your relationship. Or you can, on the other flip side, completely ignore it and act like it's nothing. Or there's some space in the middle where you can talk. And like,

really talk like honest talk about well obviously felt strong enough to about getting it that you got it uh are you happy with it and and you know kind of discuss the things that that matter in that scenario the reason i say that there's a separate story is because taylor and i did have this discussion in high school or her high school um where she wanted to get one and i told her fine i think you should totally get one and we'll even take you to a place that has a good reputation for like, you know, clean, clean process and, you know, well thought of stuff and all that. But let's talk about what and why and all that. And we just, you know, describe things like, well, I mean, if you get it, it's permanent.

That's kind of how it works. The only way to ever get it off is this really painful laser thing. Well, I remember you telling her, you need to talk to two people that have one and ask them if it was, if you would do it at my age. Yeah, I'd ask as young as I am. And I didn't say anyone who had it in 16, what they think of it now. Claire's on here going. why didn't you want him to get a tattoo? Because at 16, 17 years old, I don't think you know

yourself well enough to know what to get on your body permanently. Yeah, but the important thing here is, and I agree with that, but the important thing here is that we, it wasn't, it wasn't our way of the highway. And if she had still said dad, I'm doing it, we would have done it. She would have totally been the one to do that. She would have gotten it and we would have gone with her and we would have made sure it was a good or not, but we would have made sure she was going to a good place. Like, we would have facilitated it to make it work best for her. So it isn't, again, it wasn't our way. And she'd still have one direction on her backside.

Right. Like, this is, except for her, would have been like, who would have been the weekend? It would have been fun or what other concerts did we go to? Whatever concerts you just went to. But like, you know, if she was a little kid, it would be burning, but nobody wants a tattoo in there a little bit. No. But that's the point is like, like now she does have tattoos. And now she can make adult decisions.

and I have nothing to do with those decisions and I don't have a problem whether she gets them or doesn't get them. Another one we agreed upon very early was a curfew. We didn't have curfew for our kids. And I'll tell you why, because a lot of people are like,

what do you mean? You didn't have a curfew. If you give your kids a curfew of, let's say, midnight and the party they're going to ends at 11. What are they doing between 11 and 12? No, it was, hey, what times the party over? 11. Okay, I want you home by 1115.

Because I think, think they can get in more trouble with a curfew if whatever it is is later than whatever's going on. Plus, it felt like a way for them to, I don't know, it was a way for them to say, be more in charge of that schedule. Like, they're now more responsible. Not because I gave a rule and now they have a rule to either fight against, rebel against, or cheat around. Instead, it's, where are you going. Oh, there. Okay. You know how late it goes? I think they said 11. Okay, cool. Well, I'll won't you call me like 11.15 if you need a ride or anything. And if not, we'll see you right. Then let me know. Don't, you know. Like we would, we would make it really simple and

clean like that. And they didn't, they didn't mess around with those lines. They just kind of came back when they said they wanted to or said they were going to. And a lot of times, it's our house. You know how most of the time it was at our house. That's the other cheat we got away with a lot is we had all the parties at the house and we had the video games and the TV and the whatnot and all of all of their weird friends wanted to come to our house so when they did that we had eyes on they're all their all your our kids weird friends yeah so we had all we had eyes on the prize the whole time and the kids um they you know their friends thought we were way cooler than we are because kim's making food i've got playstations and xboxes and arcade machines and you

know like all the reasons that the boys want to be hanging out over there and so we were we were the Kool-Aid house, as we used to say. That makes a giant difference. But again, it wasn't overt. It wasn't like, the rule here is that if you have a party, it would be under my roof. It wasn't like that. No. It was just like provide a place where they feel comfortable and safe, where the parents feel

comfortable and safe about their kids being there. And then you just kind of, not sneakily, but you just kind of have a purview that you, that you should have as a parent without it being a rule or some kind of weird, you know, steak in the ground that the kids feel like they have to get around or whatever. Now, that's how we did it. Yeah. I don't know if that was the right thing or not, but that's what we did. No, yeah, that's great.

I'm going to actually take one of your stories and then tie it to your parental. So Kim, I don't have, you know, first hand knowledge of your childhood like I do of Scott's. So I'm going to take Scott's story. What's interesting is, and this is maybe my memory and Scott, you can correct me, but I recall a certain young man in our home growing up who wanted an earring. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that. And I was going to look real great in pictures for future reference, I'm sure. Anyway, but I remember dad saying, all right, let's have a court of law and I'm the judge.

And Scott, you want a lawyer or you want to represent yourself and you represented yourself, which is always a mistake. And a bunch of us were on the jury, right? This happened? I remember this. No, I'm surprised you do, but yes, this all happened. Oh, I remember, and I remember because it was so, and I don't know if it's because dad always had a little twinkle in his eye, like, this is fun. Watch this, you know. But it was an example of, hey, bring your case to us. Let's talk. Mom, I think probably was the defendant or the prosecutor or something. And, you know, the jury was me, Matt and Tara and Misha. And your mom was a prosecutor because she was about half family pictures. That's what this was. Yeah, exactly. I do not want a dumb area.

But you can wear your painter pants and have your mullet. That's fine. Oh, my gosh. You remember my painter pants. That's fantastic. Everyone remembers. They were terrible. Anyway, so this idea that you, what was modeled to me and to you was you have a voice.

And dad did it in like this kind of clever, fun way. But it was like, hey, real life is going to require you to be able to articulate your wants and needs and decisions. And, hey, we're still a family. I don't know. It was just, I thought, genius and was really interesting. And I think that's affected my parenting in many ways. And I can hear it in your story with Taylor. Like, I'm not going to say yes or no, I'm going to let you make your own decision. But as an adult who guides you, we're going to talk about, you know, what that looks like. So when Abe won in Snapchat at the ripe age of, I don't know, 11 or 12 or 12. Or the hot or something. Yeah, I think that was right. I said, All right. I would like a presentation about Snapchat. I want a written essay. I want to know what's good, what's bad.

I want to know how it's funded. I want to know how they use their data. I want you to tell me everything. And he's 11. You think Wendy only gives us homework on the show, but really she gives it to her kids and everybody else. Right. And I married to someone who thinks this stuff's fun too. So it's a problem.

Anyway, so we haven't come back, present everything about it. He's getting so excited because he thinks like this is the, the way it's going to work and so we're like okay okay and you know so then i'm like okay here's what i know and here's some experience i've had with young kids having real problems on this and so i know that's not everybody but you do need to take some of that into account and so we have this big discussion then we come to then he was like i don't know if i want it and i'm like no i could get that i this this is a lot of information normally we just do what's fun so what if we try this so we put snapchat on my phone yeah so he had to ask me every time he

wanted to use it. And I would give it to him. I'd like, here you go. No, wait. I need my phone back. And he'd be in the room with me. You know how not fun Snapchat is when you have to get it off your mom's phone? Oh, it's the worst. And she needs to use the recipe app to make dinner. So you need to give it back right now. You know, like that's, so it was just not very appealing to you. So he never got sucked completely in. And this is a kid who is a life ban from League of Legends because he cannot handle the reward circuitry that video game industry has created

for him. Anyway, so every kid's different. So that's my point. We take the modeling we have and then we've got a kid who's going to be different. I don't need Elliot to write me a 10 page report. It's not the same kid. He's not even going to ask for Snapchat.

Right. And so that modeling to then acting is usually a fairly easy line to see. You can see. So, Kim, maybe the strictness in your home did not translate into strictness with your kids. Correct. But some elements of what your parents did have shown up or even maybe the rebellion against

some of it has shown up in your parenting, I would assume. Yes. I would agree with I chose to do it very differently on purpose. Yeah. Right. In a way, it's weird because to call it rebelling is an odd thing because I actually think they were all really good choices. But it is, but for.

Kim, given her upbringing, it is, it is rebellious. Yeah. I was labeled the rebellious one. You still are. I didn't do anything wrong, but you still are. You just parented with, I was, with the concern and conversation. You rebel. And now I've got, you know, my parents, my, both my parents have been like, you've read some really good kids.

And I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I did. Try it our way. But here's the other thing, like dad's gamifying of stuff. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which is really what you're describing.

is that absolutely comes out in the way I do stuff. Like even to this day where we're in a very different dynamic, you know, our kids are old enough to make their own decisions, like literally and legally and every other. I still have to bite my tongue sometimes. No, you do. You have to. And that's kind of where I want to get with this is how,

I don't know why I thought this, okay, I was wrong, but I used to think that this all ended with tattoos in high school. their 20 first birthday yeah well i don't mean parenting in general but just the concern about choice making and it makes sense because i was being dumb in when i was 22 or three or whatever and like you don't you don't you don't there's gonna there's something a 75 or a hundred year old could tell me that i'd probably gonna ignore because i'm like ah whatever old man and then and then one day i'll get there and go oh crap that old guy was right like he was right all along like so we're all in that mode but when you're when your kids are old enough to uh

you know, let's say 60 and older, now they can drive. Now they can, now they're dating all the time or now they're whatever and in their 20s and they got school or lack of school, jobs or whatever, relationships, all these kind of things. I was hoping that by then I'd be like, well, it's out of my hands. Walking away from it. It doesn't work that way, doesn't it? It's still in my hands. Well, and they pick partners that you now have a new dynamic, right?

Like you guys obviously have had additions come to the family. And that is a whole new set of parenting food issues. Because they were raised very differently than our kids, just like my friends always, you know, you talk about. Yeah. And that's normal and will happen, right? But it does mean we're dancing around a lot more dynamics than we would if it's just us, you know, doing a simple thing. So Abe got a girlfriend. It's a miracle.

No, it's not. He's a very cute boy. And she is. here's the thing I am clean in the house for her to come and I am having so much empathy for my mother-in-law like oh you just want it to be okay and this person's going to come into your life and she had five boys so can you imagine five times this woman had to clean a house for for a woman to come over and be like ew you're a terrible mother-in-law you know so I had a lot of sympathy for her and you know having those feelings anyway she shows up we all have Swedish pancakes for breakfast because we thought that'd be fun. And she is the most delightful human. And I was like, you can't find someone this great at 16. This is, I mean, she has been through some things, but is so smart and lovely.

And I was like, oh my gosh, this never occurred to me. I might like a daughter-in-law more than my son. She's so great. Anyway, but that was like opposite of what I. expecting I was bracing myself to be annoyed and like, uh, teenagers are stupid or whatever. And I was like, how is this happening that I'm pleasantly surprised? So I think there's a bit of, I've heard too many stories. I think that's part of it. But really knowing how hard this is, and also they're 16 and it's not like they're, I have to watch them parent yet or something, you know, but it does, you're right.

It doesn't end. And here we go with the new stages of life. It goes from, you know, you're helping him get an out of a car seat to they're deciding who they're going to spend their lives with and making mistakes left and right, sometimes big, sometimes small. And I think as parents are listening to this, I don't know your audience as well to know, Scott, are these often young parents, I would assume, but there's got to be plenty of people who have grown children who know exactly what we're talking about. Everyone's in a different place. But, you know, it's really hard to just think you've figured it out. And maybe you look around on social media or other people and you think, man,

they have got it figured out or their kids are so awesome and my kids are blah, blah, blah. I think that can be problematic and distracting. But I would boil this down to something I think you two do really well. And what I would advise everyone to do is to actually get to know your kids. Right? This is the hardest part of parenting. is people will be wishing the kid with someone else. And deep, that's deep inside, wishing they were different, wishing they would not do that,

wishing they were smarter, more talented, whatever your jam is. So mine is, I want all my kids to play sports because I love it and it's so fun to watch. And then when they don't, man, I have got to get my head around that music. I still secretly want them to, right? Fortunately, I have one. I have one and I will live through him, right? But the other ones, nope, this is not going to be who they are. So if I let that drive my relationship with them, they're in trouble because I'll never get to truly get to know them because I need them to be someone different.

And they will feel it. And I feel like you guys have done a really good job of just like letting your kids be who they are, getting to know them, giving and guidance, but like not expecting them, wanting them to be something else. Maybe I'm wrong and you guys secretly. No, I mean, I think that's, I think, I think, I think you've described it. Okay. We're an open book around here and what we are is what we are. But I think you've made it an interesting distinction between two different words. One is leader leading and guiding. Leading sometimes is the dangerous route because leading means that you're going, okay, no, no, no, over here. This is how we're doing. This way. This way. You follow me. Follow me. Like we're walking. We're walking. That whole thing, right? Whereas guidance is not the same. guidance is like it's more like what your dad did yeah guide your direction I know what I want for you yeah you have to figure it out on your own yeah or or if you're gonna make this choice great that's the one I like but if you're not it's okay because that's the one you like and I'm I like you more than I like your choice so you know like that as long as that's always kind of there yeah um it's weird

everyone always says you don't want to be friends with your kids I've always heard this before But I'm going to cry BS on that because I love being friends with my kids. It's my favorite thing about my kids at this stage is that I can dork around with them and laugh with them and, you know. But I think what people are talking about being friends with their kids is they want to give them anything they want so that they never hate them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's a difference. Yeah.

I don't think, yeah, that's a bad. That seems to be friendly with your kids. Yeah. Friendly. I love that we, that. that we can tease each other and that we can we you know I don't know we can laugh out loud and and and it's never weird it's never weird so when Carter decided to get her first tattoo I went with her and I got one too right they went together but I was also you know she was 20 what three

but Kim's been sacrificing her lambs on the altar for years like she she did this thing I'll never forget this. Her friends, my daughter's oldest, my oldest daughter's friends, they're like a group of these guys that are all dorks, but they're all great. We love these kids and they hung out of the house all the time. But they really wanted to see Kim, or no, they wanted to do

the hot wing challenge in this local place. And they're on this wall in this place, there's like a thousand dudes. Oh, there weren't that many. There's a lot. And then on the girl's side, there was like three of you. And Kim's like, well, I'm going to change that tonight. No, there were no women on the board. Oh, there were none? I thought they were like three. Yeah. So she sits down and eats like the hottest ghost pepper nightmare.

Eight of them. Eight of them. And goes into like this focus mode and totally pulled. I still think her guts are ruined from it. You ate, eight ghost peppers? Eight ghost peppers. No, hot wings. Yeah, but they were good. The sauce was made with ghost peppers. Yeah. You had to wear gloves to do it. And you couldn't drink for five minutes after. They had a timer. And she was shaking. And she was shaking. And it was like, but I remember that day going, oh my gosh, she'll do, she will do anything. She will do anything to make this good. Like for these other kids to have a good time and for her to be willing to sacrifice herself in this way. I was the only woman with a picture on that wall for years, by the way. Still might be.

I did watch a guy try the same thing the same day I did and walked out crying. He ate one and walked out crying. Yeah, he was crying. It was awesome. She's a pretty tough lady. But the point is, like, you know, being willing to, like, get down in it with your kids and be more than just the rule. That's what I mean by being a friend with your kids. That's what she means.

Well, I would say this, too, about Kim, that I think this is important because often mothers get very lost in motherhood in a performance sort of way. Not not, that's the wrong word. It's more like, I have to do this for them or I need them to be successful and like so much pressure and you look around and what is everyone doing and you maybe miss this key component, which is like, who is the kid and what is your stuff and what is their stuff? And I think for Kim, like if you were getting in trouble and didn't understand why and were the, you know, a little bit of the black sheep, you had already experienced some of this. I think Scott, similarly, you're a weirdo, and mom and dad were, like, very open to you being weird. Yeah, they were right. So I think you both have a good reserve of, like, sort of getting it what it's like to be these kids in different stages. And, and, you know, you told your father, I'm going to be a cartoonist.

And he's like, yes. And there was no internet then, right? Like, there's no reason any father in his right mind would. be like, you know what seems like a viable option, an English degree, right? And I think it's because there is a mix-up. The mix-up is, I know how the world works. And it doesn't matter what you're bringing to the table. It's my job to make sure the world doesn't eat you alive. And that is a noble, core, loving place. But it takes some courage and or, you know, family of origins that were helpful in this way to really see a kid for who he is and meet him there.

Yeah. And then guide, right? Meet him there and guide and then mourn the loss of your kid won't play baseball with that sweet left hand, right? Like, you got to mourn it and I am mourning it. Yeah. It's fine. I'm fine. If anything, my biggest, my biggest struggle is watching Nick.

And I think it's because Nick is me. in so many ways. Like, he's just so me. And it's everything from whatever they may be. His insecurities, his creative side is all of it. Everything he is reminds me of me every time I look at him. And as a result, that's been the larger challenge for me is watching him and going, I know exactly the mistakes he's going to make because I made them.

And I know his way he thinks and the way he does stuff, he's going to do it just like I did it. and so we've had that exact conversation of wait your dad let you do the same thing you got to let him do it i know we've had to kins had to talk me down from that yeah because it's hard for me it's really hard for me stephanie in the chat says except his hair no i had some sweet long curly freaking oh yeah it just was it was business in front part of yeah oh yeah yeah well you know it was of its time and that's all coming back which i know is coming back and i am really struggling like i'm really struggling yeah it's a really We saw some high school kids yesterday.

We were somewhere where it's near high school and we just saw kids going in the restaurant or something. They all looked like they were lifted out of a John Hughes movie. I'm telling you. It's weird. It's weird, man. It's freaking me out. I know my dritten decade was cool, but I don't think it was that cool. Yeah, come on, people.

But anyway, the point is like that's where I've struggled the most is like seeing myself in that mirror. And I have a feeling that's a problem for a lot of people is it's not so. much the person that you're worried about all the time. It's that they're going to be like you. And by that, I mean your worst sides or your worst mistakes or your your least favorite part of your self-image or whatever it may be. And I see that in him in particular and less so in my girls. And that's hard because I don't want to, I don't want that to become a reason that I become standoffish with him or I don't want him to to know that it's almost like inception like he knows that I know that he's a lot like me and that he knows that I know that

I'll make mistakes that he'll also make and like there's a lot of I just don't want that to be a thing between him and I so it's something I had to really work on to not be that you know not be disappointed because he's like me because to him it's just disappointment right doesn't matter Right. Right. So if he does something I'm not loving or whatever, I don't want to, I don't want him to feel like he's, you know, letting me down. Because honestly, at this stage of his life, it shouldn't be about that anyway. And that's, that's really been the one challenge I didn't expect to see. You know, it was literally like, ah, he's a toeheaded kid. What a dork. He's so much fun. All right. No, I'm so cute. Look at his curly blonde hair. What a cool kid. Ah, he's so funny in junior high. Look at him play soccer and bear. Like you get all, all this stuff. And then. he becomes an adult and I go he's just like me in every way I don't know if I like that you know what I mean yeah on the other hand in a mirror right there I mean in some ways I love that he is because then there are also some really great things about that you know he's he's he's a I was always called the sensitive kid growing up but I think that worked for me in a lot of

ways relationships and including my kids and it will benefit him too so it's not like it's not the weakness I used to see it for but I know that he'll see it as that for a bit because I did too. Like, I just feel like I'm watching a mirror and I'm seeing, you know. And that's why I have to go, don't say anything.

Yeah. Because usually it's something that I have no right saying anything anyway and instead it's like, Nick, we should do a movie night. Okay, cool, dad. I mean, that's the stuff I got to do. But Scott has to do the same thing to me whenever I'm like, oh, Taylor, what are we doing?

Yeah. Even as an adult, she's married, she has a baby. All of these things, I still go, oh, I remember having to decide that to you. Yeah. Especially with, I don't say anything. Don't say anything. Yeah, especially with Van here because Van introduces that new dynamic of now you're watching your kids do the same or have the same chance to raise their kids.

Yes. And it's easy to go, oh, no, I've been there. Don't do that. Don't do that. But then you got to just skip that whole painful thing and just do this thing. Yeah, exactly. Which is where that comes from this like such a good place. Yes.

But then what does it get us? But my place is still, is grandma. It's Nana now. And I have to just be Nana and spoil him rotten and send him home with sugar. Yeah. Put sugar in him while you got him. Then send him home with more sugar and then make it up and that's my job now. And I have to remember myself that a lot.

And I'll tell you what, everyone that's a stereotype that, oh, when you become a grandparent, you get to spoil the child. It's your chance to be the most fun. It's true, dude. it's true it's not a rumor i don't have to be all concerned with when he pukes or poops his diaper or anything else all we have to worry about is is he having a blast and does he does he want to stay here and he's mad that he has to leave yes he's mad he has to get off the boats yeah he doesn't want to leave and it's great i can't recommend that enough it's awesome and yeah somehow if we could

skip parenting and go right to grand parenting i would sign up yeah it was all it sounds awesome it was all true in the end um all right well i i hope this helps somebody out there with, you know, we didn't have a specific email this week, obviously, but, you know, somebody who's just feeling some of these feelings. And maybe it helps to know the others go through it. And, you know, and can I say something really quick? I, if you're listening to this, and this sounds like a love fest for Scott and Kim's parenting, it's because it is. And it's because they're great parents. But if you hear this and there's like a sting and you're like, oh, my kids are like that or you're struggling in some way, I want you to try it.

have this flip to inspiration because it's right you can go from oh that's kind of hard for me to hear and i want you to flip it to here's where scott and kim i mean scott's childhood is is i can get behind because it was mine right um and kim's and kim's is not the worst by any shot but also there's hard things in both right um and challenges that everybody has and you can do different and better and improve upon those family of origin issues and take the good things too. So if you're hearing this and thinking, I am struggling, often people don't do this. They don't stop and look backwards in an effective way. It's often out of regret or mad or torment or something. But this is where the therapy part comes in, right? Which is there is stuff that

happened in your childhood, the way your parents handled things, even the best parents will screw things up. I talk to people sometimes who are like, I have a beautiful childhood. And then we get deep in their psyche, and there was something that happened. And it's not a giant thing. And it would be nothing you would ever say out loud to your mom like, you did this to me. It just happened. And there's still effects from that. So we're all in the same boat.

It's what you do with whatever boat, I should say, let me fix this, whatever family of origin stuff you took with you and you're now struggling with as you parent is. do some work on your stuff. I can't count how many people are like, oh, no, my third child has anxiety. And it's like, okay, if there's one kid, all right. Now when there's three, we're going to have to look at you, mom. And this is not about mom bashing or blaming. It's about you are stressed and your anxiety might be contagious. Let's get you a mask on this airplane so you can breathe and see what we can then do to help the kids. So so often it's, we're so stuck in our moment of parenting, because it's exhausting and takes all of your time and energy, and there's a pandemic and school suck. Okay, so let's all just be nice.

But if you have a hot minute to think about your own family and to think about what good you brought to your parenting from home and what maybe challenges you bring and what the mirror taught you, which is like, oh, I have to, everything has to look right or, you know, maybe you have a mother-in-law that walks in and checks the dust on the door frame when she walks in. like there are things that are impacting you that maybe you can work hey with a professional or some friends and and work on not carrying so many loads it's really hard to parent with your childhood monkey on your back and your perfect neighbors on your back and your social media on your back yeah so if any of that resonates with anyone figure out what you can set down or work through

or heal from so that you're more free to get to know your kids and parent them in a way that feels good to you because this is full contact sport it's hard parenting is exhausting and it's just if you can have less weight doing it it really helps yeah i agree and then one day one of those you could be scott and kim well i don't know about that i don't want i don't want anybody to feel that way i don't want anyone to think where any of this is perfect by any stretch because it's not but it's you know it's healthy though and if you're feeling it's because if you're thinking oh i was got a well it's because it's healthy yeah and maybe you need to look around and see what's maybe and it's telling the chat says one option is you know if you don't want to have kids don't have kids

some people just want to be the great aunt yeah dude whatever please go for it don't yeah don't happen it's so hard it is hard plenty of people will do it someone's always going to have kids so you'll be all right and had a fun aunt that took us on trips because my parents never could yeah and she never got married right nope nope nope and she's got an amazing never mind i can't talk about her back okay she kim's got this well Well, anyway. There's a, there's a history in her family that I hope never comes up. All right. Hey, there you go. That's the show, everybody. Peter for never. Wendy, things open up for Real Steps sometime. When's the date soon?

It's going to be near the end of October. We're doing lots of revamping. It's going to be really fun. So just be hanging on. Go to Realsteps.org. Sign up for the email that will start coming in sometime this September or mid-September about. And then it's going to be good. We have learned some things. Our little community is amazing. And so we're going to have a fun time. So sign up. Well, there you go. We've all learned a little something today. Yes, we have.

Wendy, have a great week. We'll see you next time. And thanks for hanging out. See you. Bye. Thanks. All right. That was a fun little family time there.

That was fun family time. Sure. It could be a lot worse. Just kidding. It was good. I enjoyed it. I don't know why. And Scott could have an earring right now.

I could. I almost did. Dude, I almost had one. And I would have loved it. But now I'm glad I didn't get it. I don't want one. I don't want to manage that. I would have sealed up a long time ago.

I would have one of those, you know, where, oh, yeah, I was pierced once, but now he couldn't force a tiny needle through it because it all healed up or whatever. But, yeah. If you ever wanted it again, Carter has piercing needles. She does? Yeah. What should we pierce? I don't know. What do you want Carter to pierce?

I mean, it'd be face. I don't mean it'd be weird places. Like, I mean, like, it'd be your face, right? Dice tomato. Not your peony. But like, what would I do? Is it only ears you can do? No, but that's as far as I'd want you to go.

I don't want to pierce anything. I'm not doing it. Okay. I did when I was 16. I don't now. You pierce your eyebrow. Oh, that'd be all right. That'd be all right.

It would hurt? Would people think I was trying to be all pirity and young or whatever? What do you care of what people think? I guess I don't. Yeah, there we go. Sometimes I do, though. See, this is the problem. All right.

that's it for that uh thank you windy and thank you everybody for hanging out with us today watching us live and otherwise as you know we are uh entirely here at your behest because you support us at patreon dot com slash tms continue that and we will continue making shows and bobby will be making steak tonight oh i wish we were all there you'll be here yeah getting some of bobby's meat juice uh or whatever we call it okay what we call it we need to stop talking Do we? Is this the end? Yes, you do.

Frogvance.com slash TMS is our website. You can go there anytime and get stuff. So let me know if you have any problems there. The morning stream at gmail.com is your place to email us. And big thanks again from me and Carter out to everybody who ordered the free comic book day stuff on Saturday. We had a record poll this year. Lots and lots of free prints going out to everybody. I hate that it's only a day, but that's the whole point of free comic book day is that it's a day.

because there's always someone the next day, I forgot. Oh, no. But many of you got in this year, and I'm very happy that that happens. So anyway, expect to see those prints soon. We have to sign them, though, so it'll be a little bit. They'll come here, and then Carter and I will have a signing session, and then they'll ship them right out to everybody. So very exciting stuff. Yep.

All right. Kim, do you have anything you want to add before we go? No, I need to go to frost some steaks. I'm really hungry now. That sounds so good. I know. Damn it, Bobby. Damn it, Bobby.

All right. That's going to do it. We're going to play a song on our way out of here because, again, I picked a song. And today's song is that Pokemon thing that he did a cover for, Post Malone did. We like Post Malone. He lives not around here now. We're always seeing if we can get a Post Malone siding. And we also like his music.

And I really like the cover he did of, I can't find it. I only want to be with you by who sang that originally, the Darius Rucker Band. Why can I think, Kim, help me think of it. I only want to be with you. Oh, Hooty and the Blowfish. That's it. Jeez, I couldn't think of it. Anyway, this guy.

The Tendicus, baking to the ranch. That's the guy. All right. Anyway, we're going to play it and we're going to get out of here. Thank you all for listening. We'll be back for sure on Monday. I don't know about PM tomorrow because it's just a little up in the air, but we'll let you know. We'll see.

We'll see. Thanks, guys. Thanks for being here. Thank you all very much. And we'll see you soon. Bye now. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more shows like this at frogpants.com.

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