The Morning Stream - TMS 2190: You wanna be creepy?

Episode Date: October 14, 2021

90 is the new 89. Ram the Man parts! Best horse in Disney history. Come On, Siri! Pay Attention! The Overwhelming Sound.... Of Silence! The prince was whatever and he became a thing. PHP = Programmer Hates Programming. Holistic baby chickens. All Cream And Splenda. She doesn't know how to use a fork, that's hot! Was there a movie about Atlantis called Atlantis something? The Grumpy Old Man Prize. Paul Simon is a Chevy Chaser. No Bells with Bobby. Therapy Thursday and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, 90 is the new 89. Ram the men parts. Best horse in Disney history. Come on, Siri, pay attention. The overwhelming sound of silence. The prince was whatever, and he became a thing. Ph.P. equals programmer hates programming. Holistic baby chickens.

All cream and splendor. She doesn't know how to use a fork. That's hot. Was there a movie about Atlantis called Atlantis something? The grumpy old man prize. Paul Simon is a Chevy Chaser. No bells with Bobby. Therapy Thursday and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. That old ever popular theme of rock and roll music, is it damaging the brains of the young people of America?

The Morning Stream, it's Toots Fats fast. So it's fat. Welcome to the show, everybody. My name is Scott. That's Brian, and we're here to do TMS, the morning stream for October 14th, 2021. Good morning, Brian. Good morning, Scott. Do you know I just did? What? So when I make my coffee and I pour it, as I do, as people here, as I pour it on this show, I don't bring a spoon down here. So what I do is I take a little packet of Splenda, I put it in the cup. So I finish the, you know, get down to the bottom, but not to the very, very bottom because this ember mug still continues to cook. and if I leave just a little bit of coffee in the bottom, it's going to start smelling and smell them bad. So when I get very, very close to the bottom,

I take a packet of splendor, rip it open, I put it in the cup. Then I take my little thermos of creamer here, and I pour a little bit of creamer in there, and then I get my coffee, and I pour the coffee in there, and the process of pouring the coffee in there automatically stirs the contents and makes it a very uniform container of coffee. Sure, I think that sounds very efficient so far.

So far, so good, right? Until pre-show, I do the first two things, and then I got cut up in a story about a two-can, and I forget to pour the coffee in. And I see that I still have a little bit of coffee left in the bottom of the cup, and I take a drink, and it's all cream and shim and splendor. Oh, no. That's no good. You don't want that.

Yeah, so. That was a very tasty, a very tasty combination. A very tasty error in judgment this morning. Very tasty error. Well, awesome. Hey, listen, all that stuff we just said about the toucan and everything. You can hear all that if you're a patron of the show. It's bonus content that we put out.

And so if you're like, too can, I must know more. Two can. Yes, that sounds like a very uplifting story about a bird. I can't wait to listen to it as a patron. Yeah, there's nothing sad or depressing about it at all that story. And you can hear it if you're a patron. So go over to patreon.com slash TMS and find out for your own selves. All right.

Last night, a very weird thing happened. Not a weird thing. Just something that surprised me. My daughter's Taylor Elaine Straw Johnson. Uh-huh. That's kind of a full name, isn't it? Johnson's Straw, right? Yeah.

Well, oh, yeah, yeah. It'd be the old maiden name first. Right? Yeah. Yeah, out with the old and with the new. Right. And her sister, Carter, Elizabeth Johnson. They are both, you know, cool kids.

They're great. I love my daughters. They're awesome. But they're sitting around. And for some reason, the topic came up of who is the hottest 2D Disney male character in the history of Disney animation. Oh, okay. All right. Wow.

2D, you put a limitation of 2D on there. I guess, uh, yeah. They don't want. The 3D are just toys. Yeah. Toys fish. Sure. Sure. And nobody's picking like Olaf or, you know, or not Olaf. He's the, he's the, he's the snowman. What's the, what's the name of the guy? In Frozen, he's like the guy with the moose. I can't give his name. Christoph. Yeah, I don't know. Christoph, that's it.

Christoph, okay. So they're, they're not counting any of our 3D Disney or Pixar type stuff. It's all too. And known live action Marvel stuff or Star Wars stuff since that's now Disney. Yeah, none of that. None of the. I can't say Kylo Ren in his torso. No. Although that is 2D. It is kind of 2D, isn't it? I've never seen him turn sideways, so I don't know what's going on with him. Anyways, it came down to, you know, they ran through all these names.

I can tell you that Quasimoto's not on there, although they think he has the best voice of all of them. How about Gaston? For all of his failings, Gaston was quite a looker. He was, but he was so sure that he was one. Yeah, that it kind of makes them ugly, right? Yeah, it makes you ugly when you're that into yourself. So they ended up picking Tarzan as number one. by far they said oh yeah he's the hottest dad he's the

well i mean he's he's made to be hot he totally is uh hercules not on the list although they both love hercules but not on this list uh runner up was shang from uh moulon the let's get down to business that okay all right they think he's a real a real uh looker was uh was uh the patrick warburton character from the emperor's new groove uh Did he make it on it? Was that Disney?

That wasn't Disney. No, it was totally Disney. It was back when they were still making 2D stuff. And I love that movie. I think Epper's New Groove is freaking amazing, partially because, you know, it feels like it's a comedy made for old people. Patrick Warburton and David Spade, right? Yeah. Yeah, and John Goodman.

What else are you going to get in your life? It's amazing. Yeah. But yeah, and Carter, oh, is she in here now? She may, she'll be able to correct any of this, I get wrong. That didn't come up either, but I know they both love that movie. but for whatever reason I don't know if this is just the way I raised my kids

but they have an appreciation for the for the stuff that wasn't mainline like that they really liked the Atlantis one what was that called a quest for whatever it was it was yeah that's right it was Atlantis and then like a

like a colon and then something right right right it was the submers like the submarine thing is it just called The Atlantis? No, no. It was Atlantis something. The Lost City?

No. Atlantis? The Lost Empire? Maybe? No. I don't know. Maybe are we thinking things? I just remember James Garner was the bad guy and he was awesome in that role.

I just remember thinking that was great. A lot of people are saying the Lost Empire. Atlantis, the Lost Empire. Okay. Yeah. And it had the main character was played by Michael J. Fox. And it was one of the first things he was doing after him leaving like live action stuff due to his diagnosis. Anyway, I don't know why I remember all that.

But they love those kind of weird little offshoots. They like DreamWorks movies like the Moses one. What was the other one? The Simbad one. I can't remember the names of these, but they love that stuff. Brother Bear. Do they like Brother Bear? They do like Brother Bear.

And Tristan was big into Brother Bear. The best part of Brother Bear is it's got Bob and Doug McKenzie in it. That's great about that. Playing little Canadian versions of Bob and Doug McKinsey is great. Yeah, they're mooses, but they're, It's the same thing. It's the same characters. Yeah, they may as well have just lifted audio.

They do everything to go, co, look, co, co, co, co, co, co, co, and they may even have done that. I don't remember. It was pretty cool. Open season, I don't remember what that is. That's 3D. Open season's not. Listen, we're in the 2D world, Guacmar. Come on now.

Hey, you know what would be really creepy? If you and I discussed the hottest Disney female characters. Oh, yeah. See, why is that? Isn't that weird? It is weird. It is weird. Like, I was just, that's a great point, Brian.

That aerial. Yeah, she had seashells. But only when she's got legs. Yeah. Not when she's half fish. Yeah, I don't like half fish, but she got seashells on her boobies. Yeah. Yeah, why is it?

She doesn't know what a fork is. Oh, good poll. I forgot about that bit with the fork. She wanted to be in there, in that world, or whatever she says. Yeah, that is exactly why it's weird. to me, it's because they're all teenagers, like Ariel's young, Pocahontas's young, Mulan. Well, I guess Pocahontas is probably the oldest of the, one of the oldest of the 2D Disney princesses.

Oh, yeah, who is the, who would be the oldest Disney princess? Someone's done this work, right? You think, you think this is a BuzzFeed? Which of the oldest Disney princesses are you? Are you? Yeah, it would have to be a quiz, but let's see. Oh, okay. Here we go. Oldest Disney princesses. Yeah.

Well, they're going to, it's going to be the oldest in who was introduced first, right? Oh, no, here we go. It's not. Okay. Because Snow White came up first and that is the, the oldest. Oh, she's the oldest. Okay. She's also.

The oldest in the way of, been around the longest. Oh, okay. Well, let's see. Apparent, okay, appearance in 1950. Oh, I see. So, yeah, these are. Yeah, they're in order of introduction. release that we don't want that that's not what we want is it that's not what we want at all who is

the oldest disney princess non-teenager okay here we go oh okay uh this sounds like a site that was set up so somebody could do this and not be creepy it looks like moana was 16 Elsa is 21 okay else is the else is it she's the else is the oldest she's the oldest Disney princess and the only non-teenager so the rest of them are all teens so well says the article on wiki Livray or... Snow White speculated

to be 14 and Prince Florian speculated between 27 and 31 that's not right. That's weird.

I don't know if I believe that. Well, this is yeah, I don't know where this speculation comes from not confirmed by Disney but it's speculated

that Prince Florian of Snow White is between 27 and 31. Meanwhile, Snow White. Speculate would be about 14. Different time then, I guess, right? I don't know. I don't know how stuff worked then.

It was that a thing where you'd go after way younger peoples when you were dating? Yeah. Yeah. Not cool. Let's see. Tiana from the Princess and the Frog. Oh, I like that movie. 19 in the movie.

Okay. All right. Yeah. That's a, you know, she can almost vote. No, she can vote. Never mind. She can vote. She can vote.

Cinderella speculated to be 19. No, no, no, 19. Although, wait. That movie's set in the 1800s. the princess and the frog yeah she couldn't vote i'm not saying what nope it's true you see what i'm coming from here but yeah definitely wasn't there was no voting then um let's see some more big some more gaps nothing like uh snow white and florian but um let's see aurora uh 16 philip 20 oh okay all right bell 17 adam 21 he was 11 when he was 11 when he was

He transformed into the beast, but he's 21 now. 11. I didn't know that. Yeah. In the cartoon canon? I guess so. In the cartoon, he was 11 when transformed. Oh, weird, because the intro, he's definitely not 11 in that intro, where David Ogden Stiers, aka Winchester from Mash, is narrating.

And it's like storybook style. And it's like, but the prince was whatever, and he became a thing. And there's no way what they were showing there was 11. But, okay, whatever, Disney. Yeah. Whatever. Anna, 18, so Elsa's 21, but Anna's 18. Hans and Christoph are 23 and 21, respectively.

Great. Let's see. Repunzel 18, Flynn or Eugene, I guess, depending on the movie or the two suitors, 26. Jeez. To Repentzal's 18. Really? Yeah. They really spread the age.

They really did, yeah. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Nothing quite as bad, though, as Snow White 14, Prince Florian, minimum speculation, 27. Ethan in the chat. Maybe Carter needs to go downstairs and fix her dad, L.O.L. What did I do? I mean, I don't want to date any of these people, okay? Any of these fake cartoon people?

Not interested. Not really my thing. But Brian. What is the story with Rapunzel and Flynn? Why is it? Oh, Eugene and Flynn are the same person. was masquerading. Okay, gotcha. Oh, I see. Thank you.

That one I didn't know. I didn't know. Yeah, I don't know Flynn and Eugene are the same person. I don't think I've ever seen Tangled. Tangled is amazing. Is it? Yes, like legit, funny, best horse in Disney history. Like, there's some stuff in Tangled. Tangle is freaking great.

All right. Like, way better than you'd think. It's, if anything, it's like, they took one of the most saccharine boring ideas and then just went nuts with it. and made it really good. The horse is amazing. I'm going on looking right now. Everyone likes a Disney horse. Oh, it's on there.

I'm assuming Tangled has to be on Disney Plus, right? Yeah, definitely on there. And everyone's sitting in chat, Pegasus is not the best horse. He's a good horse. There's many good horses in Disney's. Disney has great horses. There's no question. But Tangled is, I unapologetically love Tangled.

I just added Tangled to my cue to watch. All right. I didn't hover over. hover over it and all that stuff. I actually... You didn't make a GIF and then put it online? You didn't do that? Yeah, no, I didn't.

I didn't do any of that. So now when I open up Apple TV on my television, it's going to be the far left thing saying, You should watch me. Do it. You've watched everything else. You may as well watch that, because you've caught up on everything I'm behind on. So go for it. Yeah.

Well, I'm not, but I'm lousy with comic books as far as being caught up on comic books. I've so many things added to my cue in Marvel Unlimited, but... it's hard to know where to start right it's yeah it's like oh yeah i just got to watch that oh but i want to finish watching titans this season that's really good they're doing the whole um uh jason todd red hood oh i love that story i don't know how close this one's following the comics uh because in the comics it wasn't scarecrow that was working with jason todd was uh joker was working with uh no death stroke death stroke death Deathstroke. I think so. Which I think is the whole... Oh, now I don't remember. I just read this not long ago. Or I read an offshoot story and they were talking about some of that stuff. And I forget. It's great though.

Somebody in the chair and will clear it up. That Under the Red Hood animated film they made is so good. Is it really? Okay. Oh, it's so good. Brian. It's one of the best. Yeah, they get those things... D.C. gets those animated things right. Yeah. They get it right. good at them. They're better than Marvel is at theirs. I'm sorry.

Marvel's animation with the exception of Into the Spider-Verse, which is the best animated superhero thing ever. Yeah, but can we even count that? Because it's Sony, right? Yes, we can count it. Yeah, but Sony made it. It's Sony Animation Studios. Those guys are like... I don't care. It's still the best thing. I see what you're just saying.

Like, it being under Marvel's... Yeah. Like, under Marvel control, they're animated stuff. Direct a video or otherwise. Not great. Yeah. But the Spider- Spider-verse thing, really, I mean, it's still one of my favorite. It may still be, like, it might be my favorite superhero movie. I loved it so much.

Oh, wow. I loved it. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. That's a hard thing to say because there's so many good ones, but it's up there. Animated superhero movies? Probably number one.

Without a doubt. Yeah. Without a doubt. I don't know what my live action is. Let me think about that. If you can count, can you count Infinity War and Endgame as two parts of the same movie? Yeah, I think you count that as one. I think you have to. Because if you count down as one, that's, that is the, that is my favorite superhero movie.

Yeah. That's hard to argue with. Okay. I'm going to say, I agree with you. That's number one. Number two is Winter Soldier for me. I love that movie. I put Ragnarok. Thor Ragnarok is number two. Oh, Dark World was so good, though. I know you loved it. But, uh, uh, you know, dark world. Maybe actually Ant Man and Wasp, I think, or Captain Marvel. Boy, between, be between those three. Which, which do you think? Which did you like the best, uh, Black Widow? Black Widow. of those. I need to see all those. Kim and I were like the other day. She hasn't seen the Ant Man sequel, but I haven't. She went with some friends or something back when it was in theaters. But then the other one, Dark World, she hasn't seen either.

And then with something else, her and I hadn't seen. Oh, the end of Winter Soldier in. Oh, right. Yeah, which explains the whole, why does Elaine Benness suddenly have control of the Marvel universe? Yeah, what's that about? What is she doing? Get out.

Yeah, get out. And then she dances weird. Oh, man. I don't know what I think. I know. It's so weird. Very weird. They're introducing her as Dazzler for the next movie.

Great. Yeah. All right. We're going to get Bobby in here and get to some science today. Yes. Let's get some science. We like doing that. We like having Bobby on.

Hold on. This work. Oh, I was going to do him a new intro so he doesn't have to hear his poopy thing all the time. But I'll still, I'll do it today. Here it is. Whoops. Where to go? I think science.

I'll make you go poo-poo. Yeah, yeah. Hey, look who it is. It's Bobby Frankenborder. He joins us all the way from South Carolina, where he likes to talk about science. Hello, Bobby. Welcome. Hi.

How is everybody doing? Good. Good. How are you doing? What's on your Hawaiian shirt there? Is that a dairy queen blizzard? No. What?

On your lapel, though your lapel, or not a blizzard, looks. like a peanut buster parfait now the inside of your lapel there's tie fighters and x wings okay and then flowers you see clearly i'm looking at this on a small discord uh maybe i should pop this out i don't know i kind of want a blizzard now though well done no kidding i haven't had one of those in a while all right all right very nerdy though i like the nerd approach that bobby takes to his life that's very cool yes uh so bobby you sent me a note earlier in the week and uh said that you wanted to talk a little bit Nobel Prizes. Now, before everybody goes to sleep, okay, just a second. Often these Nobel prizes are science related and I would also... Often every year in fact. Yeah, every year they're science

related. And here's the thing. Maybe something big happened and you just didn't hear about it because you think Nobel prizes are boring. But no, they're not. And Bobby's here to explain. So why should we care this year? What happened? That's actually why I like to talk about the Nobel prizes every years because it's um it acknowledges i mean that's the point so Nobel prizes part of them are for science then there's the ones that are for the other whatever stuff literature peace who cares um but uh the science ones are are particularly interesting to me and it gives me a chance to recognize some achievements and gives these guys the Nobel Prize committee a chance to recognize achievement in science that

that I don't think really happens very often. We tend to focus on science whenever either A, it only impacts us or when something terrible is happening and it impacts us. But these are just like, hey, you might not have known, but this person, these people made a really big advancement in science that it was really important. I feel like all the science people have this week is, hey, I heard Chattner went to space and that's about all they got.

Yeah, exactly. Maybe he'll get the Nobel Peace Prize. Maybe. Maybe he'll get the Nobel Grumpy Old Man Prize, because that's a big one. The Grumpy Old Man Prize, yeah. So there are three main prizes in science for the Nobel Prizes, and there are physics, chemistry, and physiology and what people often say is just biology. But yeah, so we could start with the physics one. The Nobel Prize in Physics was given to three different people.

They're usually given to groups of people because science isn't done. It's never one dude, right? Yeah. Not anymore. It used to be like Einstein got the Nobel Prize, you know. But it's never that way anymore. The advances are done by lots of disparate people doing different things. Or a whole lab, a team of people will do something.

Yeah, Brian. But so the Nobel Prize in physics was given to three people, Georgio Parisi. Sukuro Manabi I'm not saying these right but I'm not going to try and Klaus Hasselman Okay

Klaus or Klaus What did he get? Klaus he said Ah the physics The physics of the German man He says And then he wins Yeah

Okay They were To the microscope And they were all given The prize for groundbreaking contributions To our understanding Of complex systems

and that sounds really vague and whatever, but so what did they actually do? So Manabe and Hasselman, the reason they got the prize is because of all the research they did that contributed to understanding our current modern day understanding of weather, climate,

and specifically directly related to how we understand climate change and everything we understand about how humans are contributing to climate change and how climate change is happening is basically downstream from from what they did and um so for example manabe it was a scientist who back in the in the 60s and 70s developed the first computer models of the atmosphere um so that nobody had done that before weather and the atmosphere are very complicated there's a lot of things going on Yeah, my experience has been that weather is, you know, it's a thing that we can't really predict very well. So the more inroads we make there, the better we are.

Yeah, and those models that he did, he was, his first model he made, I think it might have even been in the 50s, maybe the 60s, but he modeled using computers, very old computers, a single column of air in our atmosphere. and it allowed him to, and scientists to better understand, like, how gases are distributed unevenly in the atmosphere, you know, how CO2 is more common at lower levels, and oxygen is more abundant in higher levels, and it's not evenly distributed, how heat moves around in the atmosphere, how radiation moves around in the atmosphere, and eventually led to him creating in the 70s the first global computer model of our atmosphere to track. all of these things and be able to

I mean that's how weather is predicted nowadays as they look at computer models and look at this part of the atmosphere which is next to this part and how do they interact and how does that spread around the globe you know yeah yeah and it's never as simple as like last night it was supposed to snow

here and it didn't now the supposed to snow part I don't know how they came to that conclusion was it a computer model probably and is it 100% full proof, obviously not, but it's probably, they're probably a lot closer to a higher percentage of accuracy than we've ever been, right? Like, it's always been almost impossible to 100% track weather, but we have to be better now.

Yeah, we're much better now. It used to be back before lots of computer modeling and advanced statistics. It used to literally be that people who were ahead of a storm front would notify the people, further away. They'd be like, hey, a storm just happened and this is what it might be like by the time it gets to you. That's old school. We're better than that now. A little bit. Yeah. Although I know, I still do a little bit of this. Like, it happened the other day. Nick called or somebody downtown, it was downtown called and said, oh, it's raining down here. We got floods and stuff. And we didn't have anything. And it was like, oh, I wonder if it's coming to us. So in a way,

we were living that 1800s kind of weather, you know, information. It was pretty great. Yeah. Yeah. I'll never forget. All right. Well, cool. So, by the way, last year, there was a single winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics.

His name was Roger Penrose. And so once in a while, you get lucky, and it's one dude. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. The other half of the physics prize went to, um, went to Klaus Hosselman or the, another part of it. And he, what, you were just talking about how, unpredictable the weather is, but his research was instrumental in in making the link between

unpredictable weather and the very predictable climate. So climate has to do with like large trends in how the world like like warming of the earth and and stuff like that. And it was an open question for a long time before this guy came around that was how is it that if the weather is so unpredictable on a short term, how can we, how then are we able to predict the climate? And he did a lot of work to help us understand that. And to tease apart how we can look at signals of naturally occurring climate patterns and basically account for those. So we are better able to see the fingerprints of unusual things, like how we are impacting the environment. You know, it's interesting.

The Nobel pages, they don't show photos of anyone. They're all illustrations of these people. It's an interesting choice. That is. Yeah. This Klaus Hasselman is just like this weird marker drawing and the previous guy. Oh, really? So it's not even like a really well done, like a really elaborate.

I mean, it's good art, but it's not like portraiture. Yeah, it's very stylized. Here, I'll put it... I think I would prefer that. I think I would look better as that drawing anyway. I'm going to put it in our Discord. You guys can see this, but it's an interesting choice. I don't know, just as, you know, from an art perspective.

But anyway, sorry, that has nothing to do with his achievements, but they're... Oh, yeah, no kidding. They're all just art of these dudes. Yeah, the other part of the... You could tell me that's Justin Robert Young, and I'd probably believe you. It kind of does. Ah, that's funny. Oh, my lord.

All right, cool. Anyway, sorry. I won't get into the other part of the physics prize. I'm actually going to be going really deep into the Nobel Prize stuff when we record the show tonight. So that'll be on Monday's episode of All Around Science. But the other part has to do with understanding just statistical models for understanding complex systems. And it's very interesting. It has to do with magnets and other cool stuff like ants and.

and grains of sand, and if all that sounds fascinating, then you should listen. But chemistry, the chemistry prize was given to Benjamin List and David McMillan for creating the science of organo-catalysts, which, whenever you read what they're given for, it always just makes it sound so complicated, right? Like, what the heck are organo-catalysis. Well, because, I mean, things like potato batteries have already been taken. Like, they've got to go further and further. The Nobel Prize for potato batteries and lemon batteries were given out.

I was like, yeah, 1912 or 13 or something like that. Now we've got to go big. It's got to be multiple solubles on these. Yeah, exactly. But that prize in chemistry for organocatalysis, basically what that is, without going too deep, is that you've heard of catalyst before. What a catalyst is is some sort of chemical or a, compound or or something that speeds up a chemical reaction and that's really important because like

especially for things like making making drugs or or a common use of a metal catalyst platinum is in in uh in uh to clear out um what do you call it like exhaust fumes to clean them out sure oh really okay yeah in in cars oh catalytic converter catalytic converter yeah Exactly. And platinum is used in that. And those kids getting stole out of my neighborhood, by the way. According to the next door. Yeah, that is a big thing.

Because platinum's hard to find. And that's funny that you say that because that is exactly why this was such organocatalysis was such a big breakthrough and a big contribution to chemistry. Because metals were used for the longest time as catalysts because just the nature of how metals are. They have free-floating electrons. They're just easy to use as catalysts, but they're expensive. You've got to mine them, or they're rare, like platinum. And so these guys figured out a way to take, to organically make catalysts by understanding how enzymes in our body works and stuff like that.

And it's been instrumental in being able to make better pharmaceuticals that are better at doing their job because we have to basically when you produce a drug there are lots of forms of that drug that get made and only some of those forms are useful but the byproducts of other

forms can cause side effects and this by custom making these catalysts you can make only the specific chemical you want and it just makes it easier you can have smaller doses less side effects and stuff like that real quick platinum or gold

which is the thing that'll get me the most return if I had some, you know? Platinum for sure is more expensive. Okay. Platinum's hard to get. That's why in video games you go copper, silver, gold, platinum. What you want is the gold press latinum.

Oh, I see. That's the stuff you want. You need to let the gold. You play Domjot. All right, well, that's great. By the way, that guy, that Klaus dude, who I can't seem to get over because I love his name and his weird art.

And he looks like Justin Robert Young. He was born in 31 that makes him 90 that makes him the same age as William Schachner. Yeah. So pretty good year for 90-year-olds. You got a guy winning the Nobel Prize in physics. You got a guy of the oldest man ever to be in space. It's pretty good. That's pretty good.

It's not bad. It's a good year for 90. He's the only. 90 is the new 89. There will never be another T.J. Hooker in space. That's how you look at it. Space hookers, maybe. T.J. Hookers in space?

Nope. Not happening. So the last one, the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine, was given to David Julius in Ardenm Pataputian. Whoa. They, for discovering receptors for temperature and touch, which is very sensual Nobel Prize. Yeah. Hubba, Haba.

But David Julius basically discovered the genes responsible for creating the proteins that are sensitive to temperature and also was the one who figured out that when we eat a hot pepper, something spicy is capsaicin is the molecule that binds with our receptors to tell us that's spicy, right? And that capsacin, the spicy molecule,

what it's binding to is literally it's activating temperature receptors. Now, intuitively, you're like, like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. But we didn't know that they were literally the same types of receptors. So when you eat something spicy and we call it hot, like literally, we're calling it hot because that's literally in our, like from our human perceptions, that's how our brain is interpreting it is as hot because it's activating the same receptors. I just find that fascinating. Yeah, that is interesting. Well, I guess grats to all of them for raking it in. What do they get? A million bucks each or something? What's the deal?

The prize is somewhere around a million dollars, and it gets split among the people who win one prize. So like the physics one, half of it goes to the Giorgio Parisi. And then the other half gets split between Manabi and Hasselman. I don't know how they did that, and I would be mad if I only got a fourth. Oh, yeah. How do you do that? Yeah, damn you in your quarter of a million dollars. Yeah, that's weird. $125,000.

Yeah. That's weird. Yeah, it's, so anyway, yeah, it's a, but some of these people get, yeah, it's about a million dollars, but they're not doing it for the prize money. Oh, no, no, no, of course. No, I don't think so. I mean, also, like, probably a little bit. A lot of, but a lot of this, you know, is money for a culmination of an entire life of, you know,

focused energy on whatever it is they're excelling in. So to them, it's probably even a surprise a little bit. This 90-year-old guy's not sitting at home going, finally, my ship came in and I got the million. Right, right. Right. Right now tonight, honey. There was one Nobel Prize winner recently who turned down the money because he doesn't like what the Nobel Prize in science has done to the practice of science. And how people are competing for it.

And it's like trying to do, they're aiming all their research goals at, is this going to win me a Nobel Prize? You know, so. I'm sure there's, yeah, there's always some of that. But probably not as much as anyone might think. Whatever. A million bucks doesn't go that far when you're a researcher. Or maybe it's a lot of money because you don't get paid jack. I don't know.

I don't know how it works. But I do know this. But the good point, I'm sure all these people. You work for a hospital or you work for, you know, an agency. Sure. You probably do get paid pretty well, but if you're like your independent researcher, then, yeah. Research money is often hard to give. I'm sure all, I'm sure most of these people put the money back into their research, because that's what they want to do.

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. Unless you're 90. How much research are you doing if you're 90 years old? I need that big screen 4K TV for my research. Yeah. Look, I need to, I'm doing some virtual reality research. which I'm going to need a rift, an Oculus Rift.

Nice. Oh, okay, these, sorry, I just noticed there's a page where they still paint these people, but then they have a video of them talking and now I can see what they look like. Okay. It's not a big deal. They should animate that too. I'm a very visual person. I must have these confirmations in my life.

Bobby, as always, a pleasure to hang out and talk. Tell people where they can get your show and hear more science facts. The podcast is called All Around Science, and there's a lot more. detail to these prizes that we're going to be going into tonight. The other Physiology and Medicine Prize, the other half of it went to the person who figured out how touch receptors work. That's pretty cool. I'm talking about how touch receptors work on the show. And then there's also the whole economics prize, which sometimes is sciencey, sometimes isn't, and happens to be kind of sciencey this year. So I'll be talking about that a little bit too. And you can get that. It's just called all around science. go to all aroundscience.com you can find it there or just on your podcast app just get it from there yeah i think that's a great idea it is me too do it now it's great do it now bobby everybody we'll see you soon bye now see bobby there he goes the jury will not just kidding it's not him the bobby will now retire the bobby will now poo poo yeah well said all right we're

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I don't know how much you see them together these days, but he was in that video, wasn't he? Yeah, you can call me Harry and I can call me Al or whatever. He was in that. And he also, they just hung out a lot and you always saw pictures of them going to restaurants and stuff. This is like 80s. Paul Simon was big with the S&L crowd. He was one of their first, one of their first host and musical guests. Yeah.

Do you think those, him and Garfunkel hang out at all? Is there any kind of, you know? I bet they've, I bet they see each other once every couple years get together for a drink. Yeah, I hope they do. You know. But it's, imagine that the, when they're sitting there at the table, There's the overwhelming sound of silence. You're probably right.

You're probably right. Like a bridge. They're trying to, you know, he'll start singing like that and then Paul Simon, like, stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you had one really good hit with us, art, but come on, the rest of these songs were all ones that I wrote and they're all better. There you go. All right, here's a story for you. The renowned programmer who created PHP, a language both you and I are somewhat familiar with in terms of our... Well, I'm aware of it. I've actually, yeah, I've, I've messed, I've broken sites using PHP, getting in there and doing things I thought worked.

I had a, my first comics, or one of my first comic sites where people could come and see my strips, was completely 100% hand-coded by me in PHP. Wow. Really? Yeah, my own database stuff and everything. I was super into it for a while and got really good at it. The problem is it was not very secure and it got hacked so bad that it just brought me to my knees. I'm like, well, I'm never doing that again because I'm just no good at it. But Stoic Squirrel in the chat says Ph.P is awful. Well, you might like this story then.

The renowned programmer who created PHP, quote, hates programming and said he is not a real programmer. Oh, man. Nice. Wow. That's some dark times here. Rasmus Lurf's work created the web as we know it. But he doesn't care for coding. I really don't like programming.

I built this tool to program less so that I could just reuse code, he said, in 2003. The tool he mentioned is PhP, scripting language used in nearly 80% of all websites. That's insane. It is. I mean, because it's the base that sits under WordPress, and WordPress is so prevalent. And I'll bet you Squarespace, I'll bet you Wix. I bet they're all like on a PHP base. Yeah.

Or at least some like legacy code or something because a lot of stuff all came at the same time. It's just so, it's not, it's not intuitive. You know, you look at PHP and it, unless you're really familiar with it, it's hard to pick up. It's hard to say, oh, I can tell exactly what this line is doing. It's telling this thing to do this. it's uh yeah it's so it's weird so damn unintuitive but i probably should learn it with as much as much stuff as i do with wordpress it probably would be a smart thing for me to learn he says i'm not a real programmer i throw things together until it works and i move on the real programmers still say yeah

it works but you're leaking memory everywhere perhaps we should fix that i'll restart apache every 10 requests he said in 2002 in the interview in the danish danish danian i'm sorry i have Every time I mention Canada, I have to do this. Hold on. Kahneda! That has to happen. Kahneda! Ph.P. is about as exciting as your toothbrush, he says.

You use it every day. It does the job. It's a simple tool. So what? Who would want to read about toothbrushes? He says. Unlike many starry-eyed San Francisco startups, Lurdorf's project didn't begin with big dreams. I don't know how to stop it.

He says, there was never any intent to write a programming language. I absolutely no idea how to write a programming language. language. I just kept adding the next logical step on the way. He said, this is maybe my favorite thing ever. Your favorite inventor story. Yeah. He's not happy about any of it. No, I'm sure, I imagine, does he probably gets a commission whenever, where would he get that commission though? I don't know. I don't know. Would WordPress pay him some sort of commission every time? Well, it's open source and always has been. So my guess is no. I'm thinking, not. Yeah. He's like the, he's like Tim Berners-Lee, except that dude gets paid so much for speaking engagements and a million other things.

He doesn't get a penny for the web he designed for the World Wide Web, but he gets, you know, millions and other things. So he's... And I'm guessing this guy doesn't really care about the speaking engagements based on this, uh... No. He no care. Although, I would pay to listen to his Ted talk about how much he hates PHP. Oh, in a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. I would totally do that. Yeah. Why not?

All right. That's going to do it for the news. We got to take a break. When we come back, my sister Wendy's going to be here. We've got kind of a hard question today, but I think a good one. It feels like a, I don't know, pandemic culmination type thing. Yeah, I would say so. I think there are probably a lot of people feeling bits of this. So I think it'll be really helpful.

So stick around for that. That'll be right after this song that Brian will not tell us about. Yeah, and I've got to find it. Why am I not finding it? Me, no, no. Me, no. Because I stole it with an O and not an E. Usually, I'm a little bit better than this.

Hey, let's go to a dude named Noah Gunderson. That's right, Mr. Gunderson. That's my deal. He's playing the interview. He's fleeing the interview. You just make me want to watch Fargo when you do that. It's my deal. I think he might be, nope, Bellingham, Washington.

I believe. Well, you know what? Wherever he's from. He's here in Colorado. at least he was a couple days ago at the Soil Dove Underground. A great place, by the way. I've seen Jonathan Colton there.

I've seen Pauline Storm there. It is a great place to see a show. Anywho, Noah Gunderson's fifth solo LP and his first new album in more than a couple of years here, A Pillar of Salt is about to be released. And he's joined for this song, the first single from the album, by Phoebe Bridgers. Just has an amazing voice.

and the two of their voices are fantastic together. Mellie you out with some Thursday music. Here is from the album, A Pillar of Salt. Here's the song Atlantis by Noah Gunderson and Phoebe Bridgers. I'd sneak up behind you and break your knees. It cut off your fingers and both of your feet. So you couldn't reach me, but you couldn't leave. If I was a painter, if I was brave,

I'd hang up a canvas and give it a name. I'd call it the future and just leave it blank Get hard off the fumes and die in the paint I know Somebody cast me in a TV show But I play an addict Trunk and romantic Always reaching for another drink

But after its season I'd get replaced By some asshole with a better thing And I'll steal the costume on my way out And I'll wear it when we go dancing Wipe all the makeup off your face Turn off the lights if it makes you feel safe I learned about love in American cars

They're in the backseat, freezing cold, just barely 17 years old. I saw the dragon, and I gave chase, a perfect example of your hopeless case. But through my blood Could find no explanation Maybe it's a virus Maybe it's love Just my imagination If I was Atlantis, you know, and you were the sea, and you were the sea.

I sneak up behind you and set you free I want that head so sanitary that the virgin Mary herself would be proud to go in there and take a dump. I like the dark. This is the morning stream. Hail Hydra.

We have returned from that song, which is again. That song is Atlantis. It's by Noah Gunderson, featuring the lovely and talented Phoebe Bridgers. Very. She's awesome. Very nice.

Yeah. Really like her. Phoebe Waller Bridge. Got it. Phoebe Waller Bridges Waller. Yep. She'll look at the camera once in a while. Cuckoo.

No, not Cuckoo. Fleabag. She'll look at the camera and make a little face and then look back at the people she's talking to. Cuckoo was Andy Sandberg for one season. Oh, yeah. I forgot that was even a thing. Yeah. He's a weird thing.

Yeah, that was a really weird thing. That was a show that wasn't sure who it was. Yeah, and still really didn't decide who it was even in the second season. They replaced Andy Sandberg. And I want to say that they even replaced the girlfriend or no? I don't know. I gave up with the halfway through the second season. Yeah, because there were things to really, I love the dad.

He was hilarious. The dad was great. The first season was great. Yeah. I don't know what happened there. Not cuckoo, cuckoo. Yeah. But it just seemed like a show where they're like, just go ahead and do that.

Okay, cool. We'll do some episodes like that. Wait, uh, that guy. guy's gone put that guy in like it was just like a weird I don't know the really weird production that thing oh hi Wendy hey hey oh hi oh hi oh hi oh hi are you on your phone or or your computer today do you know which one you're computer oh okay do I know no well the reason I ask is you know how it sometimes rings your phone and that gets weird um yeah it says you're on your phone but I don't think you are obviously because you're on a computer so you may get that ring again

I don't know I don't know what'll happen there that'd be fun let's see how far we can get. Exactly. That's great. Hey, look who it is. It's my sister Wendy. She joins us. She does each and every Thursdays anyway to talk about helping you guys. Everyone knows it's Wendy. And as a result, emails come in and they're always like, hey, I got a hard question. Keep me anonymous. Can you read it? And we say yes. So that's how that works. If you guys want to have your questions addressed on the show and you have a big problem you're dealing with, let us know. It's over at the morning stream at gmail.com. and have a real therapist to help you.

Okay, Wendy, it's good to have you here. Yes. Good to be here. I got your Real Steps email letting everybody know. Everything's kicking off. Well done. Sounds great. That's right.

Yeah, we'll talk about more of that. You got until midnight on Sunday, people. Wow. Are you going to be sitting there at midnight and just ready to just turn it all off? No. I'm not. Are you going to make Adam do it? Nope.

It'll just, I think it'll just end. I don't know. It'll just end. That's cool. My guess is you can probably still do it. on Monday morning and I'd be like, okay. A tiny little side note here, Dunford Donuts side note, okay?

You ready for this? So Adam's family used to back in the day be owners of this Dunford Donut bakery thing here locally, and they're amazing. Everyone loves Dunford donuts. They're insane. Their cake donuts are just incredible. And we've talked about the story before.

Who's involved with those? Wendy's husband. See the whole thing again? his uh what did i say i was trying to get you say adam's family again so oh adam's family do do do okay i get it now all right all right no it's worth it took too much damn work it was worth every second all right so anyway um i have been in the last year or two trying to keep the the sugar spikes low because i apparently have some hereditary tendency toward type two diabetes and i got to be careful with sugar and stuff so that's been a constant thing don't eat a lot of sugar

don't eat a lot of, you know, just like if it's got natural sugar in it, like fruit or something, it's fine, but I don't eat donuts. Let's put it that way. The other night, I thought, you know what? It's one night. I'm going to have a donut. Let's just see what happens. I'll check my blood and see what happens. I ate a whole dump for donut, and it didn't spike. Really? Now. Oh, wow. Yeah. You might say, wow, one off. Don't ever do it again. You got lucky. Or you might say, you might say. I'm going to have more dump for donuts here and there. Damn it. Yeah, I know. It's almost like you don't want that sort of positive reinforcement. Right. You really don't. I don't.

And normally, you know, like a candy bar, totally spike. If I do milkshakes, spike. I think it might be that cake donuts are different than the kind of you like fry. Maybe the sugar's different. Maybe the cake is different. I don't know what it is. But Carter, she was there. I ate that thing.

She's in the chat. I ate that donut and I didn't spike. I ate some spaghetti the night before. Totally spiked on the on the on the on the pasta. So I'm just saying. The glycemic index varies obviously and Denver donuts do not spike. That's not real. But okay.

Yeah. Carter goes, justify it all you want, dad. I didn't spot. I'm just saying my blood didn't spike. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying I should do anything about it. I'm just saying anyway, Dunford donuts continue to be one of the greatest things on this planet. And they're so good.

All right. Let's get to this email. I wanted to have as much pleasant conversation as we could before we start reading this. This one's dark. Hey, I have a quick thing to ask. Whoever is, if they're listening, the person who wrote in, they're listening, if they could just somehow through the ether, send what city they live in. Oh, yeah. They didn't give us that.

Or country. Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. I think it's here. I have an idea. And I, yeah, that would be helpful for me to know. It's not very identifying, but kind of. of maybe. If they don't want to, that's fine, too. No, no, no, you're right. But there's something in here

about moving the other side of the country, but that doesn't tell us anything, I guess. In my head, I was like, oh, that's like, oh, would you go from L.A. to, you know, New York, or, you know, like, I assumed, but I'm probably wrong. Well, anyway, let's read it. And also, before that we get sad, I have a really

funny, hilarious update on Peters. Peter's fundraiser. Oh, yeah. Good. Okay. Yeah, that's that going. I imagine it's going Honestly, it's made such a hilarious story. So first of all, all of you, I said 50 cents and many of you did not listen and gave way more than that, which we appreciate that. It's been very sweet and heartwarming.

I mean, I think it cracks his heart open every time I show him or we've sent little thank you notes back to people and they write back and I read him to him and he is just like full of the world is good. So thank you for giving a little kid this idea that the world is good for at least a hot minute. it before he realizes yeah um let him have the moment it's fine let him live in it have his nine year old you know innocence anyway it's very very sweet but the tadpool is yeah the tad pool is good yeah which means you know there's more there's more good than bad yeah there is everyone there totally is but what's amazing is let me just say so like you know you got to remember in these things like maybe max a kid brings in a hundred bucks yeah okay um so let me just say and then

And so they have these two tiers. One is just straight donations. Yeah. And so that's just to cash them out. And then the other is you pay per fitness move. So he's going to do hopefully 36 rounds of fitness things or 36 laps or something, right? That's the max they let you the kid do. So then you get a price per move, you know, whatever that is.

So Peter, so really this is the tad bull because I've told no one else but you guys. And we nobody, not family, no one. just were like, well, this will be funny. We'll see if we get $10, 100 bucks. Anyway, so the total of cash raised is $2,145. Wow. Oh, he's going to make all. I mean, the goal, you put it out last week and you said, make all these other kids look bad.

You didn't say in those words. Oh, they have, they look bad, like the whole school. So what's crazy. Okay, well, then let me tell you this. And then he will earn for every fitness move that he does. was $71.50. Wow. Wow.

Which is about another 2000 if he does, if he does all of them. Wow. So that is crazy. So let me just tell you what's funny is I didn't know this, but they have like apparently some prizes that if you, because nobody ever earns this stuff, right? They're not like, get a hand much of this out. Anyway. Right.

So he gets to school on that first day because you guys all did this in two days. Yeah. Anyway, he gets to school first day. And the teacher sends me an email and says, you'll have to drive to the school to pick up all the prizes that Peter was trying. And I was like, what? What prizes? I had no idea there were prizes.

Like, I'm so stupid with these things. I had no idea. So I tell Peter, I was like, listen, dude, you didn't earn squat. So you're going to just hand him out to other kids. So he has. He's just handed all his prizes to other kids. Yeah. No, that's good.

That's a good thing for him. He actually, I forgot to play this on the show. Yeah. I forgot to play this on the show. We actually got a thank you from Peter. I'm just going to play this real quick. It's just some quick audio. So here you go.

Thanks, Scott, and the Tadpool. That's it. That's all you get. Oh, that's it. Wow. Yeah, that's it. That's all I can do. He didn't mention anybody else.

No, he got, you can tell he meant to say, Brian. He just, you know, he's a kid. Yeah, I'm going to go over here and do some, to finish my crochet. I'll be back to the minute. Yeah, you do that. I think that's great. I'm glad. I'm glad we shattered the limits.

I think that's good. I didn't expect it either. When they get not a penny next year from us, they'll be like, what happened? I thought you guys were a fundraiser. And we're like, no, we're not. We're going to get a dime. That's amazing. All right.

Well, now all the happiness is out of the way. We have to get to this email that is not the happiest email. But here it is. All right. I'm going to just start reading it. This person's anonymous and ask that we keep it so. As a companion piece to last week's therapy Thursday on dealing with the aftermath of suicide, I was wondering about the other side.

of the coin. What to do slash how to deal with no will to live, not suicidal, but just not caring about going on living. I've pretty much always dealt with depression. I've been in therapy for over 30 years. I played the medication roulette wheel on and off for most of that time as well. Usually when I would hit those cliff edges of suicidal thoughts, I would pull up to, I would pull up from hanging off the edge by my fingertips to sitting on the edge and moving on until the next time I would have some trigger for a downward spiral. My current bout has been going on for about five years now. My marriage fell apart and my ex and daughter moved to the other side of the country. So other than talking to her every weekend, I've only seen her for a few

vacations. I don't have any friends in the area, just a couple of acquaintances that I might see two to three times a year. And the closest family is over three hours away if they're not traveling for work, which is most of the time. I don't have the strength to move close to my daughter and start over again without any support. Even if I did have support, I don't think I could handle it. I just plod through my existence because I certainly can't call what I do living. Honestly, my only go right now is to make it another five-ish years until my dog passes, so I don't have to worry about it if she would be found and rescued before she starved if something happened to me. I guess my main question is, how does someone find the will to live? Nothing has.

worked so far. I don't have any interest in my former hobbies or socializing or anything productive. I can easily spend four hours laying in bed after waking up just trying to go back to sleep or playing on my phone, which is a whole other issue. I would like or I would say I qualify as a dopamine addict. I feed myself dopamine through social media games, porn, sleep, anything I can do to escape instead of doing basic self-care. I don't have the strength to cut myself off and try to do without i'm stuck in a rut i can't uh handle pushing through adversity slash failure as soon as something becomes too difficult i simply give up and stop trying eventually life is going to qualify sorry uh yeah qualify for that standard so what uh what do you do when there's nothing to go on for

or reason to try how do you take care of yourself when you don't care about yourself never have and quite likely never will uh so yeah a dark one he's in a piece of he's in a place uh right now but um this seems like a i don't know an appropriate discussion given that i think there are different kinds of people in different phases of this feeling maybe more now than ever after the pandemic and i know it's you know tried to keep bringing the pandemic into our into our emotional or mental states these days but it really does have a massive impact and i i can't imagine that helped him um and probably you know added to this already five-year thing he was going through. So anyway, as usual, where do you want to go or start with

this? Yeah, by chance, did he mention where he lives? He didn't. He just said, the only mention was across the country and some family being three hours away. And for whatever reason, the whole thing just sounds local, or not local, but in the States, but I could be wrong. Okay. Okay. Which doesn't narrow it down to what I want, but I can, I can work with it. And if he happens to show up and text that, that'd be great. Okay. And the reason I say that is 30 years of therapy on and off medication, you know, by all sort of measures of what we would say, hey, go get help. Well, he tried and did, you know, nothing seems to work. Well, he also got to a place where he was married and had a child. So this current state hasn't been the perpetual state for 30 years. But the struggle has been. been for 30 years it sounds like right um okay so i'm gonna i'm gonna be a little controversial here because i'm in a mood um is that i'm convinced i'm convinced there's nothing to live for i mean did

you did you hear what he said there's like nothing right yeah so here's the thing it is it is what you say it is and not that you know this we always have to tread carefully here because of this idea that people just say um just be happy or just smile more or think happy thoughts or just you know get out there and blah blah blah and that's very discounting what someone's experience can be right and then they're sort of left alone still struggling so there's the risk when it comes to sort of stigma with mental illness or even just our own blocks to seeing that someone else is not okay because it's too hard for us to see them that they're not okay. So it means a lot of different things. But I'm just going to take this slightly. So that said, I'm going to

take this in a direction that might sound like that, but it's not, which is he has a series of thinking that has been, I mean, he's pretty convinced of it. But, notice he has a couple things going on that, you know, he knows, he knows a lot of stuff. He already knows that he's behaving in ways that are making him feel worse, but not motivated to do something else. He's tried all the stuff. I mean, the story is pretty solid. The one thing that is currently hanging on there is that he's got this dog, that, you know,

that is the one reason, that's one reason to live. at least right now Okay And what's tricky is without actually talking to somebody It's hard to find out If this is just the story They've been telling themselves for a long time Is this a recent realization?

Is this You know Trying to understand it and hear it Because what you usually find when you do that Is that this isn't how it's always felt It's just currently how it's feeling now And the story is sort of getting stronger and stronger to this very existential end here, right?

So what that means is there are a lot of neurons that have been firing together and wiring together around that this is the purpose of life, this is what it is, there's nothing I can do, I don't actually want to, not feeling any motivation, etc. So all of that is happening. Well, I would like to start with get this man a really, really detailed workup, find out why if there is something else biologically happening that is causing this malaise because that's possible.

Sure. Now, is he behaving in ways that are solidifying it and the story he tells himself making it worse sure? But it would be nice to know if we've got, you know, hypothyroidism or if we have, I mean, if there's other, just anything else happening that might explain some, of this, right? So if he's tried a bunch of medications, have some worked, have some not.

Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, if it is, if it is a medical thing, or if it is a chemical thing, man, if it sounds like he's, he's played, like he says, he's played the medication roulette wheel, um, on and off. So there'd be interesting to know if any of it's worked or if they just haven't found the right. Yeah. True. Also, also the therapy being therapy. And also 30 years is a long time. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say that whole 30 year Is he still with the therapist? Is it the same therapist for 30 years? Like is it like what does that look like right now? Because it seems like if you're currently in therapy, what it sounds like to me is he's not currently in therapy.

That maybe he's just, you know, maybe on and off for 30 years. But right now, I don't think that's happening. It doesn't feel like it. I could be wrong. And maybe we need to back up. This sucks. Yeah.

This is rough. And all of us, There's this, I think I've talked about this before, but it was a long time ago. There was this American Life episode about testosterone that everyone should listen to because they talk about this guy had some medical treatment. He had to have all of his testosterone production eliminated during the treatment. And he described just staring at the wall. He'd like pretend things were fine with somebody came over and visited and then they'd leave and he would just stare at the wall for hours. and testosterone is it's why we all have it some have too much of it but it's it's a

an aggressor or a driver it gets you to do stuff right and so you eliminate that from your body you're not going to move and it doesn't matter what story is going on in your head it's it's unrelated right but our bodies and our minds do this little tango right which is my body is feeling something so my brain needs to make a story about it to understand it and then if my brain is making a story up then my body will respond to that story so for example everyone can freak themselves out right to some extent because we all have an amygdala that is activated by the cerebral cortex and the cortex is where we are telling stories making plans trying to figure stuff out so anyone out there a warrior you raise your hand you have caused

your amygdala to be activated as if it was going to be you're going to be you're going to to be harmed. And you've done it by worrying about something or, you know, coming up with what possibly could go wrong when I get on this plane or whatever. So you have this interesting power to activate biological sort of processes with your thoughts and then vice versa. With your body having some kind of reaction, your brain has got to understand it. So it's going to start to go through all sorts of scenarios. So that's why I'm curious. Because often people, say, oh, I've tried therapy or I've done it a million times or I've tried a bunch of medications. And then when you really make them sit down and list it all, it's like not what you,

not what it sounds like originally. It's often, well, I didn't like the person or they were making me do stuff I didn't like, so I didn't do it for a while. And then I found this other person who just, you know, and their history is just that the engagement in the actual work of therapy just maybe never happened or they didn't find the right fit. And sometimes it's that you feel like you've tried every medication, but you haven't. And if you've been doing that for a long time, there's a lot of stuff out now that's better than used to be. So if the last time was 15 years ago,

there's a whole new series of measurements, dosages, types of drugs that, you know, might be beneficial to you. It's discouraging. Don't get me wrong. It's incredibly discouraging. And that's really the point of what he's saying is, I have tried the things I've been told to try,

and it doesn't do anything for me. So I would start with ruling out any underlying medical, thing like finding out what's going on with his health in every facet and and this is tricky when you don't feel motivated to go care for yourself so we'll get to that in a second let's set that aside so let me just give the prescription and then we'll talk about what to do with the actual motivation so the prescription would look like go get a full work up get your blood drawn get a psych eval find out you know where you are at in terms of what modern care can do for you now that maybe you haven't accessed in a while. So I don't know if that's true. But I would look at a hormone panel,

I would make sure that all of this sort of thyroid endocrine stuff is working okay. And then I would also, you know, check just general physical markers. Like, you know, obviously it sounds like if he can lay in bed for four hours and do nothing, he's probably not sleeping great. If you're a dopamine addict, you probably don't have good sleep. And if you don't have good sleep, we have lots of other things happening. So, you know, there's, there's lots of physiological things to to check through. And then know this. There is therapy out there, and I would be happy if he wants to reach out to me individually to help him find the kind that would be more, most effective for treatment resistant depression. And there is a lot of good stuff out there now. We haven't

known for a long time. So that's what's tricky too, is he's like, you guys don't know how to help me because you haven't helped me yet. But a lot of good things have come online. So I'm going to, I'm going to name one that might sound very dramatic, but has more and more incredible results with treatment, depressant, treatment, resistant depression. So that's people who have tried every medication, have done all the therapies, right? So if that's what's happened with him, this would fit. And that is, and most states, and this is why I want to know what city he's in, most cities in

States in the United States anyway have programs and clinics and often it's through like research hospitals and whatever your state or city or university mental health sort of clinics are and it's called it's just ketamine treatment and you guys have probably heard of ketamine right oh yeah yeah yeah and ketamine has a bad rap because cops have misused it quite a bit um it's what they would use on the, you know, on the freeway if someone is having an episode of some sort and they can't get them to calm down, they will administer ketamine. And it can be dangerous because you don't know who that person's medical background at all. Large doses used as a horse tranquilizer, or is that something different? Yeah. Maybe. Ooh,

I don't know about that one. I think maybe you're thinking of something else, but it is a psychedelic. It's a psychedelic. I remember what's his name? Stevo from Jackass was big on. ketamine before he got sober. So it's a thing you can abuse it. I mean, it's an abusable thing. Yes, like anything, you can abuse anything, right? But this is done in a, you know, a clinical setting with, you know, therapeutic guides and the way to essentially.

And what it does is it's, think of it as like all the wiring that's so stuck. So the reason I started out with saying, see, his story is so believable, it's so believable for him it's the truth right now it feels so real like this is it so when i say it's not flippant to say oh this story you're telling yourself it's true that we all tell ourselves stories all of us are doing it all the time um in his case his is really harsh and and scary and sad and strong and so it's really hard for him to be motivated or want to do anything differently because this feels really believable. And what ketamine can help do is, it's essentially like all the locked neurons of a story or of the way we're experiencing life, it just gets all loosened in there. And it's more

technical than all of that. But what people experience is this sort of break from your typical reality. You're not like full, it's not like you're, you know, on some 12-hour ayahuasca trip or something. It lasts maybe half hour. You shouldn't drive heavy equipment for about four hours, but other than the, it's, you know, it's out of your system in 24 hours. It's not a long-term thing. They use this for migraines. Ketamine treatment can be used for a lot of different things.

And part of that is it just really relaxes and takes your brain offline in the way that it currently, you know, operates. And what it does is it loosens up some of those stories. And then you have a therapist working with you that, helps you process what happened. And also just while your brain is in this slightly sort of healthier, more flexible state, new information, new stories, new motivations, new things can come from that. And this is why we're working with treatment resistant depression with those folks because nothing has worked for them. And this is working, which is really cool. So all of that

to say is there are options. There are other things besides ketamine. Of course, ketamine is kind of an extreme example, but there are other forms of talk therapy and also newer medicines that have, you know, we can test your blood and see what works for you and what doesn't now. So there's some really cool stuff that has come about since he's began this journey that I think might be, might be interesting. It's important to note here that Wendy is also usually the person who if cognitive or any other kind of therapies

have not been used yet, you go that way. Like you're not one to throw drugs at a problem. As long as I've known you, our whole lives, including your professional life. She has never been like, we'll just take the drugs. It'll be fine. You can't even take vitamins. Right.

Like she's just not that person. But in this particular case, you know, we're talking about a pretty severe. thing where it sounds like nothing's worked and and now we now therapies are getting to the point where there may maybe there's a path for him so I just want to make that clear so we don't get a bunch of people going oh Wendy just wants to throw drugs and everything and I've got this holistic thing I do where I hold a baby chicken for a half an hour and it's solved all my problems we don't want I would love for that to be the answer if that is the answer let's hold baby

chickens I think that's great I'd be all into it sure and and that actually thank you for doing that. I appreciate that because it really is not my M.O. And there is a good reason it's not my M.O. is that when you are trying to do therapy with someone who is medicated, it can be really difficult because your brain is now in an altered, even though it's subtle, it's an altered state, especially with anxiety. So when working with clients with anxiety, if they're taking benzodiazepines, their brain is put to, their amygdala is put to sleep. So we can't work to train their amygdala to not be afraid of things that they're currently afraid of. So you're afraid of dogs. Well, you're never going to learn to not be afraid of dogs if your amygdala is asleep

because your migdal has to learn that this dog and other dogs are okay. And so, so it's tricky. It actually makes therapists jobs harder in some ways. And then sometimes it really is necessary. If you can't get out of bed to get to therapy, then obviously we need to, you know, there are times it's called for. But I am always like, what are all the options before drugs? And to me, ketamine, it doesn't even feel like doing a drug because it's in your system, out of your system. It actually makes you ready for therapy in a way that I've, I've yet to see anything else help someone get ready for. And I think it's because it breaks down some things that maybe have been stuck for a long, long time. Anyway, so that is one thought. Okay, so here's,

that's kind of, all right, you got all these treatment options. Hey, it's time to go back and see what you can figure out and, you know, et cetera, et cetera. But his story is pretty solid. in that he's not even motivated to do basic self-care, let alone jump right back into the world of really taking care of himself and getting help that maybe is out there or not. He doesn't know, right? That can be really discouraging. So I get that, definitely. So I want to talk about the motivation part for just a minute. Okay. So think of your worst day ever and then how, and you feel no motivation at all to do anything and you do kind of the basic minimum, you're just depressed one day.

How do you get motivation back? So I'm going to ask you two first. How do you get motivation to do anything different than lay around, do nothing? Well, usually if I have a day like that, my standard answer to that question is I'll sleep it off and tomorrow will be better. But I don't mean sleep all day. I just mean kind of let's get through this day. I'm going to conch out.

And tomorrow is another day. a fresh start yeah kind of thing yeah yeah like that okay and does that work for you sometimes for the most part yeah yeah for the most part like i would say that that idea has been challenged a bunch of times in the pandemic specifically but uh but yeah for the most part yeah i i i i there's something about a like seeing tomorrow is a a chance to just grab it all and go you know and get it done i don't know it works for me most of the time right and brian you're the same uh uh The same throw-in, like during the pandemic, I've discovered that, like, little miniature painting, I picked up a bunch of little tiny game miniatures and started painting those.

And I'd, you know, if I felt any sort of depression or anxiety or anything like that, I just stopped whatever I was doing, freelance, podcasting, whatever, and just painted minis for an hour. And it was super cathartic. okay congratulations neither of you have clinical depression good deal good all right what's good that's happy i'm happy if painting figurines and taking a long long sleep fixes what if i've painted over 4,325 minis is that is that a problem you might have something else going on yeah no no and everybody all of us have bad days and all of us have bouts of feeling depressed etc this guy has something very chronic and long term it sounds like going on right but you both have pointed out

and i i was hoping you would something that it it does work for you so you have to find enough motivation to stop what you're doing and go paint a miniature and it's because you're getting something from that painting right so so maybe brian you could describe it what do you get from while you're painting when you're bummed out and then you paint what do you get it kind of forces me to not think about anything else. Like I'm absolutely I tend to be the guy

who's like I can be sitting on a roller coaster at amusement park and I'm thinking oh yeah but when I'm done with this

I need to go back home and I need to get that proposal done for such and such and I need to get those songs picked for this other thing and I'm you know

I'll be on vacation and I'll be thinking oh man today's the middle point of the vacation it's half over what do I need what do I have to do

when I get back like all the things that are piling up So painting those minis, I have to focus so much of my energy and my attention on it that I can't be thinking about what I'm going to do when I'm done with it. Okay. Yeah, good. So it is motivating because it's forcing you to be mindless meditation.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you right in the moment, right? But it's also productive, though, right? And there is a benefit. Wait, what? I was going to say it's also productive. Like, he's actually got a thing. thing that's now done and cool, and, you know, he can look back on it and go, yeah, look

what I made. And so he got both the- So he gets dopamine because he's doing and accomplishing. But he also gets, being in the moment is rest for your brain. When your brain is thinking about the things you have to do in the future or regretting the things in the past, it's burning up energy for its futility. And that's exhausting, though we don't feel like it's futility in the middle of, doing it it just has happening right and that's the thing that some some good therapy can teach you about what your brain is doing and help you understand the motivation for it and then how how do we

use that um to tweak things and you know so so brian if you were my client i would just say well let's also expand that to some other mindfulness training that isn't about painting right take the dopamine out and you can stretch even further and mindfulness you know etc etc um Okay, so it's, it's that idea. And Scott, your point, too, of you just get a good night's sleep. That's another biological help for depression. When you look at the diagnoses for depression, it's a change in sleep. It's part of what we know.

And it's easy you sleep a lot more where you're sleeping a lot less, but you do not feel rested. No matter how much you're slipping and you're not feeling rested. And that's because the brain is reacting to the things that are going on there. It isn't simply that you're not. laying down in enough time. Now, most people have terrible sleep and terrible sleep hygiene. So, you know, setting that apart, let's say you're doing all the right things and, you know, you're still having depression. You're going to have weird sleep. So those are two things. Mindfulness, being in the moment and distracted and a little dopamine, right? And then sleeping. Those are

both great things. So here's this guy who is using that kind of stuff all the time. that and it's it's like that's not actually motivating him in fact it's keeping him stuck because brian i assume you're done painting you go off and do something you need to do right yeah yeah and uh um you know it's usually when i'm usually go for about an hour because it's not like i can start and finish one mini in an hour i'll probably have four of them going and it's like all right these are all the green parts of these and let's paint all these and um and then when i'm done for that hour or roughly whatever it is then it's like all right back to and I can kind of look at it fresh.

Yeah, totally. So it's therapeutic for you, right? It is. And so finding something that's motivational and therapeutic is, you know, like he mentioned in the email, like I don't have any hobbies. I'm not interested in my hobbies. Hobbies are an example of this thing that's motivating and therapeutic, right? And so it sounds like all motivations sort of except the dog.

The dog is the one place that he put a thing that motivates him, which I assume the dog has to poop and go outside. so he's willing to do that, you know, like we're starting pretty small and that's okay. But to find something that is motivating, and this is tricky when your story is really solid and no one can convince you otherwise, it's hard to sort of figure out what is motivating to you. So one fun thing he could try is find a therapist who specializes in motivational interviewing. It's a technique that therapists use to sort of get to what actually motivates you. and you know finding that motivation can be really helpful to start to make some of these incremental

changes but i want to go big because real steps is very small and i'm about to just jump right into the world of taking very small steps that are really important but i want to just do the opposite today and go big um and this is what i i wouldn't suggest for this person and this is why i want to know what city they're in because when you go to any website uh any city's website or any city, you just Google around like, you know, non-profit organizations that help fight homelessness or nonprofit organizations that help teens in trouble or whatever it might be. There are folks in very difficult circumstances all over the place.

And there are incredible organizations that do amazing things and would love to have a little bit of your volunteer time. So here's what I would suggest for him is that before he decides to go back to therapy or before he thinks, I want to jump back into the medical examination of all of this or, you know, and I'm not even going to say, hey, stop laying around looking at your phone and doing all the dopamine addiction things. I'm going to tell him to just go do something that is really far out of what you normally do. and and I like my suggestion we could come up with others but I like my suggestion where it is

where you are doing something that just like boggles your brain out of this story and and that's why if you go I listen if you're in Minneapolis I have a perfect place for you to go it's on the corner of a pretty dangerous street and you on Sunday nights what you do is you go and you hand out meals free meals on the corner to anyone who needs it and it is one of the most fun things i've ever done and it's just incredibly like you are so over yourself like so over yourself um and you just get to like do something very real and something and the karma points are through the roof they are through the roof that's right through the roof and so if that's where you are at i will gladly meet you there on sunday night but there there are places like this

everywhere because there's good people everywhere trying to do something right and and so that's my suggestion maybe you guys have another idea but something that is very different from what's currently happening that gets you a viewpoint and this is why ketamine sometimes is the requirement for treatment resistant depression is it does this thing for you right I'm asking you to try something that will maybe do this thing but ketamine does it And that's why it's one of our, and I think I've said it many times on the show, but you just mark my words, psychedelics will be a regular treatment and mental health at some point. And they will be in dosages that are tolerable and everyone's not going to walk around tripping all the time. But it does something to our brains in, especially unlocking so much of the locked up stuff. And this guy is incredibly locked up in that life doesn't have meaning and he's not feeling a willingness to do much. He's got, you know, these relationships that are hard. All of this is stuck.

It's like it's all just frozen and we have to break it up. And so seeking help is a good way for many people to break it up. And it's hard when you've been through a lot of treatment to feel confident in that. So I understand that. But we got to find some other ways to break this up. And so, I mean, I don't know. Is there something else like feeding the homeless or the helping those who are just in different circumstances from you. I find there's a really powerful way to help do this. Do you guys have any

ideas of other out of the ordinary things he might do that would break up his thinking and stories and worldview? I mean, I've, here's another thing I do. Like, if I'm super dreading of something or I'm really tired and I know I need energy for a thing and it's like, I still have to record that at like seven tonight or whatever. And I've just had like one of those days. This sounds dumb. But if I just go walk around the block, especially right now where it's a little chilly outside, it's great. I come back and I'm ready to rock. And it wasn't even, you know, it's not even like I raised my heart rate or anything. It just kind of is just a quick little complete change of scenery. I don't know. That's just enough for me. We did this last night before I had to do a

thing. And it was like shocking how much energy I had when I was done. And all it was take the dog around the block it's like no big deal and and uh it just changed everything to yeah yeah so it seems really that seems really like baseline but for whatever reason that is really effective for me uh in particular and it almost always is the case depends you know that's another great example of just changing your where you were at like moving right and being it somewhere else those are two incredibly important things i do wonder too i mean you're the bigger picture And this is what I'm trying to break up to with this idea of sort of viewing other people's lives and getting outside of your own, is that you're pretty motivated to keep your job and, you know, do your podcasts and continue to build your online empire of mind control. Yeah.

Or whatever. People who are controlling are not supposed to know that. Yeah, they're not supposed to tell them. Anyway, yeah, so that bigger pitcher can keep, keep you going, and then you have these sort of smaller things that you can do to manage the difficult days, right? And I'm wondering, too, if that's something he needs to do is to figure out what his bigger picture thing is, because it's not currently hobbies, his family, it's his dog, and it's got to get bigger than that. Well, and that's a thing, right?

So obviously he loves his dog, and it's one of the reasons, one of the things that keeps him going every day. What about volunteering at an animal shelter? Because they always need people to, like, take the dogs out, walk them, feed them, stuff like that. And maybe other people, you know, this kind of takes the other people equation out of it, but he's still outside of his surroundings and then outside of his mental surroundings too. He's focused on helping the dogs and that sort of thing. Yeah, dogs are huge part of all this. And that is nothing but good for you. Yeah.

Dogs are the best. Like me, me laying on the couch with Rainer for 20 minutes. It's all I need in life. It's amazing. So if you go help a bunch of other awesome dogs or whatever, yeah, this is a really good one. I like that. Yeah, that's great suggestion.

Scott, you got one? What he can do besides block or unblock? And I mean in the big sense of, purpose things maybe I don't know um it always good for me to reach out to people who are going through harder things so sometimes I'll do this I'll be like you know just checking the social stuff and I'll see something on Facebook from somebody in our community or an old friend or whatever but often it's somebody in our community and they're like oh we need everybody's thoughts today uh got a big surgery coming up or you know something like that and uh if i use that as a way to like reach out to

them and like offer help if we can and you know just kind of say hey we're thinking about you and maybe mention them on the show whatever that really uh helps me deflect what i you know my my boo-hoo wo is me moment and deflect it over and say well there's somebody having a way harder time than me. So let's see if I can't be a positive influence there. That helps a lot, I think, to be able to do that. And it's not unlike your, you know, it's not as maybe tangible as giving away food at a street corner, but it's a, it's a way of like getting out of yourself and focusing on somebody else a little bit. Yeah, and everyone has their own sort of thing that gets them, right? Like, so my cause is my, you know,

that ring my bells are not going to be the same as someone else's. So often what I have done with clients is that we talk through, what have you seen in the news or on social media or heard about local or bigger? It doesn't matter that moves you to tears. Like this, I always tell people, like, start. If you're addicted to your Instagrams or your TikTokers or whatever, find some good news versions of those. And on the regular, follow their content of these incredible stories where people and animals are amazing and they just do good things and are so kind to each other.

And you're just like, wow. And if you cry at one of those, then we know it hit a button for you and what is that button? And then we start to explore what that is. So what is it that, you know, you care about rescue dogs, okay? or you care about children and foster care or you care about like you just find what you care about and you will if you are if you're exposing yourself to things out there that are not it's not just the sad story it's kind of a hopeful story stories actually that help people find this and that you you end up saying like wow i kind of care about this thing and then that's a good

direction to go so you don't need to go do my thing or scott's thing or brian's thing you what is what is a thing that maybe in the past and this might be another another way for him to think about this when he was a kid what used to make him laugh or when he was a kid what was a thing that just felt playful or interesting kind of tapping back into the younger self um before a lot of this maybe kicked in and so sometimes that's a way to to find that thing and then and here's the thing. This is, I'm making this incredibly simple, but also I get that it's very hard. And that is do one thing. Just one thing. Now, do I think you need to get a medival and new interventions and maybe tricamining? Sure, that's what I think. But I also recognize you have to have some motivation

to do that and that's not going to come from nowhere. So this would, this is kind of my theory here, is that you find one thing to just get out of your life about. And it can't be that you just donate money, can't be that you just read about it and now feel informed. Our brain does that. As you know, we have infectious disease experts, like millions of them that just live in their little houses and have never studied.

Because we think we've done something. Our brain is smart, but it also thinks we've done something when maybe we really haven't. So really think about something you are actually doing. You have to get outside of yourself. It could be as like you're going to go volunteer at the library and just straighten up books. Like that's doing something, but it has to be outside of your normal and off a screen. I'm going to just make that, especially if he's using screens so much to just escape.

It needs to be something in real life. So find what moves you. Do one thing about it. And it can be small. In fact, it has to be small. You're not going to start out as running an organization. You just start small. He didn't mention his job, did he?

No, no. No, he did not. The only time he mentioned his job was very early in the email. He just said, just keep this as anonymous as possible. I don't want it. It would threaten my job. So I know he's working. Got it.

That's all I know for sure. Yeah. So probably not something to do with his job. Something different from his job. There's no motivation there or, you know, et cetera. Okay. So this is tricky, and we would really love to hear the follow-up for him. For sure.

Listen, if people can give him 50 cents and make my kids' day, by the way, my middle child's now feeling a little jealous that we have never been able to think for him. So I said, hey, we'll wait a year, and then I don't know, maybe, I don't know, we'll come up with something that people can support you. Well, you know, if it inspires them to say, maybe I need to look at a charity that I can help as well. Yeah. Exactly. All right. But I told me, I got to give you guys a break because that was beyond

generous, so I appreciate that. But yeah, I mean, this is such a good supportive environment. There are people here that would in a heartbeat, be thrilled for this person and want to support and help. So, I mean, find one thing. Tell us about us. Let us help you with this.

Yeah. And we'll donate money to your thing, whatever it is. Just like, you know, there's a lot of good and a lot of good to be done and there is a lot of people you haven't met yet that might be just the closest best people in the world for you but this story is solid this I'm depressed there's no no help for me nothing is motivating that's a fortress that not many people will ever get through and so we have to figure out a way for you to get out of it from the inside yeah for sure well we'd love we'd love to hear back from you and I'd love to

I'd love in like six months to hear back from this guy saying, oh, my gosh, I'm such a better place now. You know, one of those stories would be amazing. So we can, you know, we can look forward to that, I hope. Excellent. One more reminder, real steps.org, launching off the news phase over there. Let's get it going. Yeah.

All 2021 starts on Monday. I've just, as I pulled up Discord. We do all our chatting and Discord. and I saw tons of people introducing themselves who've locked down. It's going to be really fun. I am so excited for this round. And I mean, it feels unethical to tell this guy to join Real Steps, but I want him to because we're going to solve every problem he just listed except for

obviously if there's something deeply biological or psychological. We can't do through a group, but it's awesome. It's support. It's dealing with all the facets of being human and slowly. improving how we feel and interact in our worlds and it's good stuff so yeah please join us and

fun and I say dumb words all the time it's me I don't change I'm like this all the time yeah she's always like this so you your consistency at the very least check that out again real steps dot org if you have any questions about how it works what it is it's all there it's all public so go check it thanks have a wonderful week

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