The Morning Stream - TMS 2197: Monkey Adjacent

Episode Date: October 28, 2021

I Don't Like Hippie BEEEEEEEANS! Trick or Treating Needs Participation, Otherwise It's Just Begging. Brian has a Blacklight. He's a Vegas regular. Send speedos, thongs and lawyers. Throwing hippos under the bus. There are four F's. Jesus eating Mentos. Mung Bean Eating BO Bastard. Larry VonPubis? THAT'S MY DAD! What's Wrong With BOTH OF US?!? What About Hawkeye? Not Marvel? Maybe Alda? Still Hawkeye! Additional Horseshit! Kangaroo on the Surfboard wearing a Santa Hat. Never You Mind What Goes On Down Here with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Fall is here and we could all use a stiff breeze. That's right. This episode is brought to you by Bluchu. Guys, confidence can take you far in life, but let Bluchu take you the rest of the way. Bluechoo.com and the code TMS. Coming up on TMS. I don't like hippie beans. Trick or treating needs participation.

Otherwise, it's just begging. Brian has a black light. He's a Vegas regular. Send speedos, thongs, and lawyers. Throwing hippos under the bus. There are four Fs. Jesus eating men. mung bean eating be oh bastard larry von pubis that's my dad what's wrong with both of us and what about hawkeye not marvel maybe alda still hawkai additional horseshit kangaroo on the surfboard wearing a santa hat never you mind what goes on down here with wendy and more on this episode of a very spooky morning stream those were mint flavored mentos oh those are my favorite yes they're delicious they're not quite candy and they're not quite mince

What would Jesus eat? The morning stream. That's not a chicken wing, man. Morning, everybody. Welcome back to TMS or here for the first time. I don't want to assume stuff. You know, I don't know. You just rain into us.

You were in the comedy talk show section of, I don't know, maybe Apple Music or podcast or something. And you went, oh, what's this? What is this little entertaining daily show that I can now listen to? And you just fell in here. Yeah. Welcome. Welcome. Maybe you were looking for a podcast about the Apple TV hit The Morning Show.

And you thought, oh, this has to be about that. Yeah. They're going to talk about Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspins chin and all that. stuff and well we we will yeah not today though yeah not today but we will just not today anyway welcome to the show everybody i'm scott and that's brian hi brian hi brian oh look at that it's the 28th uh we're perilously close to halloween we are yeah you got big plans what are you doing going to vermont scott oh yeah shit i forgot you're going to vermont everybody that's his big Halloween plans the whole reason we don't have a show tomorrow that we did a film sack last

Yeah, good point. Good point. You leave when today, today, tonight, tomorrow? No, tomorrow morning, tomorrow morning. Okay. How early? What kind of ship flight did you get? Well, the flight is 11 o'clock, so it's a good per like the best time, I think, to fly. Actually, even like 1155, so really good time to fly. However, TSA, not getting a lot of people back from COVID coming back to work. And therefore, they're recommending, oh, you probably want to get to the airport two and a half hours, before your flight. Ooh,

geez. So we're shooting at getting there at about nine, which means we have to leave to catch the train out there, like at eight. I mean, it's, it's, um, that's an ordeal. It's crazy. Yeah,

that's a big morning ordeal. Do you, so is, I don't know if this is the case. Is it, I know Thanksgiving is, but is the Halloween weekend, a big travel weekend for,

for the world? I don't know. I don't know if it is. I just know that Fridays are notoriously a bad travel, day in general. People get out. People like to fly out. Like you get the business travelers on Monday and then you get the vacation travelers on Friday. And, um, makes sense. So that means Sundays are bad because people are coming back and, uh, um, the rest of the week is slightly better, but man. But only slightly. Only slightly. Look, um, I don't, I don't mind going to DIA a little bit early. They've got

um, decent Wi-Fi there and I can get a little bit of work done. There's some new restaurants. I mean, we can hang out there. I've stayed in worse airports for longer and hated it. Yeah, you're a good... L-A-X being one of them. Yeah, L-A-X sucks. You're a good traveler, though.

You find ways, and I think that's an admirable trait. It's something I'm terrible at. I just hate this part of it. Hate it. Yeah. Even when it's good. Even when you tell me, oh, new restaurants. Oh, fancy new...

We have a brand-new airport. It's beautiful. Big new, brand-new Salt Lake International Airport. Still hate being there. I don't want to be there. I hate it, hate it. Yeah, I mean, hey, like in the grand scheme of things, I'd much rather be where I'm going than in an airport.

But if I have to be in an airport, there are way worse airports that I could be in. And you make the best of it. I make the best of it. I totally do, yes. There's a Vinovolo where I can go and just say, sir, leave the bottle. I'll take the whole bottle, thank you.

Just leave the bottle in front of me. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Um, so I got some bad news. The, uh, you know that little damp area of carpet that was like mysterious and we didn't know what happened and then it hadn't had, then it was like gone and was, that was it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it happened again, but not as much. And the only coinciding event that I can point to was a rainstorm.

Mm-hmm. So what I got to do, I think is. wait for the next rainstorm and like be down there and like be all right show me what you got

wherever this is coming from and figure out if it's like leaking from where it's coming from I don't know enough in the water that's coming in and I don't know

you know exactly how what would kind of things would cause some luminescence since it's natural water I don't know if this would do it but could you shut off all the lights

and do a black light and then kind of see maybe where there might be a little trickle of water that's pooling somewhere. That's not a bad idea. Yeah. I don't have a black light, though. I'd have to get that. Oh, that's easy enough.

Are those simple to buy? Yeah, you can buy one of those on Amazon for... They're not CSI exclusive. Ten bucks or something. I mean, you know, you're getting one that's like a black light tube in a holder. We have one of those that we use because we were trying to figure out a previous cat that we had was was peeing outside of the litter box like in another room and we could smell it but we couldn't find it we could not find the puddle the pooling and so we're like well let's just

pick up a black light and instantly we found where um where she was doing it and uh and then we took care of it and by that i'm in the cat this this is only 12 bucks and i don't have to show any crime scene investigation credentials no it's exactly yeah you don't have to take your glasses off and utter some sort of wippy boul to start the Hue music, the Who music going. What? This is some of start screaming.

Exactly. Yes, exactly. I'm going to do this right on the air. I'm going to just buy it. Here we go. Buy now. $12. Amazon choice.

We'll see how that goes. Proceed to check out, sure. All right, here it comes. Scott now owns, does he own it? He almost owns it. Oh, he has some credit. I don't even have to pay for this. Oh, nice.

Look at that. Very cool. Hold on. So when you, so like you'll do the black light and you'll find the pool and you'll see where it's coming from and you'll wear the sunglasses. Yeah. And then you'll say, well, that what's my appetite for another mystery? And then you'll take off the sunglasses and then we'll go, wow! Were they all whose songs?

They were different on each CSI. They were different on each CSI. Yes, because the original used, Who Are You? Yeah. Who are you? New York used Won't Get Fooled again, I think. That was the rule, I think.

They had to use whatever who license they bought. Right. It was like a blanket, who license. Yeah. What did CSI crime or cyber? Oh, I forgot that exists. The cyber. What did they use?

I'm very good at the cyber. This is an impersonation I haven't brought out in a while. We never get email. We never get emails. I know that one comes out. Let's see, a CSI cyber. Oh, Miami won't get fooled again. What was in New York?

Was New York, was the one that's got a dumb name, Bob O'Reilly, right? Oh, is that the one? Well, here's cyber. I'm going to play a little cyber just for funsies. Oh, yeah, right. I can see for miles. I can see for miles and miles because they're cyber. They can see things.

They can see for miles and miles on the information super highway. That's right. And then the theme song for New York. Yeah, Bob O'Reilly. Okay, it's that thing. All right. They had a Who deal. They called up The Who and said,

Can we just use all your shit? And the Who said, sure, we don't care. Whatever. Yeah. We're just the Who do we know? No one knows what it's like to be an agent. A belly on the Super Bowl. All right. Hey, you know what's fun?

A monthly foray into the dark, deep depths of the Queens prison colony known as Australia. Wow. Okay. Sure. We like to wander in there and see what's up. And by doing so, we end up talking to Gidgett. And Gidgett is... Oh, she is online. Okay. I was nervous for a second that maybe she forgot. But who am I to say?

Who forgets anything? She's on her way in. We're going to have some fun today. and I'm going to play this intro if I can find the damn thing. Where is it? Trivial thing. There it is. Hey, look who it is.

It's Gidget von Leroux all the way from down under. Under. Under. Yes. Not over. Under. Over under. Yeah, best position.

So, Scott, are you going to, I should have actually put some makeup up my left nostril so that you could have filmed it up there. Oh, look at you. Oh, look at you. Oh, snippy. Yeah, what's going on? All made up. Why are you all fancy at 3 a.m. Or whatever it is there.

For Halloween, right? Yeah. Okay, who are you being? I'm doing a horror movie quiz, so I thought I'd better get, you know, I put a bucket up there. Oh, yeah. Oh, I see it. There's a bucket, and there's a scary mask. Yeah.

And that's about the effort that I took to do Halloween. That's as much as you're putting in. Wow. Yep, that's it. And they're gothic eyes, and that's about it. Sure. Do you decorate for Australia Day? Do you get decorations?

Or are there any holidays that you guys decorate for more than Halloween? Or is that the extent of all of your holiday decorating? Like, what do you do for Christmas? Halloween's not a big deal in Australia, really. It's only become a big deal probably the last couple of years. Certainly all the shops sell all the stuff for it. But Christmas is weird because we're in the middle of stuff. summer so there's a lot of cards with santa writing a surfboard and kangaroos yeah all that

sort of shit um and then easter is kind of fun we always grew up with easter i remember being a little kid and growing up with easter and coloring an easter eggs so we used to do that as well but general i mean australia day probably an Anzac day two of the biggest days although our current government's like no oh yeah they're shutting you down this is a silly question, but do people, do kids trick or treat in Australia on Halloween? Well, my next-door neighbors do. Okay. So that's about it because everyone that lives around is really old.

You've got to have a lot more participation. Otherwise, it's just you're going door to door and asking for stuff. Like, you know, if there's not like a 70% yes, we're supporting Halloween and we'll have candy, then it's just, hey, got anything to be? There needs to be a mandate. You're right. Like if there's no mandate, what do you? Those kids are just weird kids, right?

Right, exactly. I mean, bless the kids next door. We've got some hippies that live next door and they've got two lovely kids. And every year they dress up, but we always make sure that they know that our house is available for Halloween. And then we just get heaps of candy to give them because I know that those kids probably live on mung beans and lettuce. So they're stoked to have some candy, probably just chuck some meat in there as well for them. I'm guessing that everybody next door has the munchies based on that description. What's a mung bean?

What is that? I don't know what that is. It's just something hippies eat. Okay. I've never heard of a mung bean. I wonder if that's like soybeans or something here. Yeah, yeah, like that. Yeah.

Like that for sure. Tofu and all that stuff. Oh, there we go. A mung bean. They look. Oh, interesting. Okay. An alternative to where's a,

Oh, it's in the lagoon family. Mung bean is mainly cultivated in the east, southeast, and South Asia. Uses an ingredient both savory and sweet dishes. Mmm, hippie beans. See, that was an Australian saying when I was growing up, when you used to describe hippies was Mung beans and lettuce. Mung bean eating B.O. bastard. That's great.

That's great. All right. Well, I've learned something. Um, hey, you're here. What's great though is you celebrate Halloween with us by bringing us a horror movie quiz this year. And I'm pretty excited about this. So it's laid on us. I don't remember who won last time. This is exciting because this is actually the first quiz. Because if you remember last time when you were like filming into my eyeball, um, the, um, we did, we changed from multiple choice to just the question. So I'm just doing this no multiple choice at all. If you don't know, the answer it goes to the other person. Okay, fair enough. Simple as that. More of a challenge.

It's old-fashioned way of plan, sure. Stumble our way into the right answer. Okay, chat room is hidden. Yep, hide those guys. Here you go. Chat, get out of here. Do I chat room? We can't see spamming all caps and getting...

Yeah, we can't see you trying to game the rules. I can't see it anymore. Exactly. All right. All right. It's all right. I will be reading you later, chat room. Yeah.

Well, you can keep them up. Be on alert. Sure. Yeah. All right. Nothing else to do when I'm by myself. drinking myself into a stupor. Okay.

I don't remember who won last time. Do you remember? I'm pretty sure you won last time, Scott. I think it was a quiz that you nailed, and I could not get any foothold in last month's game. All right. Well, and that means Brian goes first, right? Yeah.

Okay. That'll do. All right. Sure. Go for it. Fine. Okay. All right.

So this is for people listening, this is a horror movie quiz over all decades, not just 80s, every movie quiz, every horror movie, sorry. Okay, so number one for Scott. Brian. What was the name of Linda Blair's character in The Exorcist? Wait, is this for you, Brian? Is this for me or for Scott? I think it's for Brian, right? Because he lost last time, so he goes first. And you don't know the answer? Okay, Brian. Welcome to the quiz.

I know, I don't think. No, Brian just is first, is what I'm saying. Brian goes first. Okay. Yeah. Can you hear us okay? Are you here? I can give a shit. Okay.

Brian, what is the name of Linda Blair's character in The Exorcist? Um, see, this is where I know it was a, uh, well, I don't want to give any, I don't want to give any clues away if I don't get it right. I don't want to get any clues away to Scott. Um, it's, let's see. I do remember it's a it's a unisex okay I will it's a unisex name that's I think the only hint I'm going to give to Scott if I get this wrong but it's something like writer I'm going to say writer I know that's wrong it is wrong Scott do you know the name of Linda Blair's character in the exorcist I do I remember it was the name of president so Reagan is the name. Reagan. Reagan.

Reagan. Right. Yep, Scott. Reagan, McNeil of the McNeil clan. Okay, Scott, you get an easy question. Sweet. All right.

Who is the killer in the 1979 film Halloween? That would be Michael Myers would be the correct answer. That is correct. There you go, Brian. I think we needed Scott to go first on this quiz. Yeah, now that we've... It's weird because I thought the first question, was going to be released but see i'm really into horror movies so yeah i tried to make this as easy

as possible because it wasn't multiple choice i haven't seen the exorcist in years i mean i can remember everything else about it you know but uh not see the shit out of me i saw it way too young same with polter guys scared the hell at me and still does it's weird when you can watch a horror movie in your youth or something scary on tv uh um like salem's lot i always remember the kids scratching on the window in Salon's Lot, and that stays with you, and I reckon that even when you watch a window, you're an adult. For sure. There are movies that stay with you like that.

As a matter of that, that was a topic on Therapy Thursday last week, is those things you see as a kid that just kind of stay with you. Yep. Oh, I'll have to listen to that. I'll be interested because, yeah, I definitely agree with that. Okay, Brian. Yes. Yeah.

Number three, when Carrie, 1976, takes the stage after she's elected prom queen, what animals blood is poured on her. They're all going to laugh at you. It's a pig blood. That is correct. Her friends have collected. The greatest American hero got some of that pig's blood. Yeah, he did.

He did. Believe it or not, you're covered in blood. I just came up with that. I'm so clever. It's very good. And I'm on everything. It's very good. Thanks.

Yeah. Feast out on that for a while. Okay. Scott, number four, what 1950s horror film was remade

in 2005 with Paris Hilton Oh shit. Uh, uh, uh, uh,

uh, shit. Wax, wax, Wax work? No, it wasn't shit. So close. So close,

Brian. House of Wax. Ah, Frick! I knew that. Damn it. Well, if you knew what you should have said it.

The old Vincent Price film, the original. Yeah, a good Brian a thing. Yeah, I'm thinking I just, I get wax, you know, my wax movies. Yeah, waxy, wax, wax, wax, I need one of those. Wax on, wax on.

Okay, yep. Okay, five, I look like Chewbucker at the moment. Okay, five, the expression, do you like scary movies, is from what popular 1996 film? Oh, God, I was, when you said that, I was thinking it was what Accroids says at the beginning of Twilight Zone the movie and when he's in the car of the hitchhiking deal.

But no. You like scary movies. 1996, I mean, I'd go with Scream. You would be right. Okay. Good job. Okay. All right.

Yeah, 96 is the giveaway there, I think. Not for me. No, I didn't know it by a year. I was just thinking, well, what movie would be a reference to other movies? And that's, you've got the year. You're Mr. Years. I am Mr. Years.

So if you've got anything with years, man, I'm going to kill this quiz. But it doesn't sound like she does. So we'll see. Maybe. I don't know. Actually, they've all had years so far. Yeah, no, we know. Go ahead.

Well, we'll just keep talking about you in third person. That's right. If Gidgett has any questions about, uh... Hey, Brian, tell Gidgett that I'm ready for my next question. Okay. All right. All right. Scotty Pooze.

All right. What film does the killer stalk and kill his victims through their dreams? That would be the Nightmare on Elm Street series. That would be correct. Nice. We just did Freddie versus Jason for Film Sack this weekend. We're very excited about it. Good thing we saw that.

Otherwise, I don't know if we would be able to get that because it was a top of mind. It was a real hard one. In this movie, does the killer kill on a certain day of the week that's usually superstitiously bad? It's often the weekend when it happens. They still haven't done a horror movie about a killer that kills on a certain time of the months. Just called Flo. You're right. Oh, jeez.

You're right. You're right. Synchronize your, whatever you do. Yeah, I know. It's open. It's open for any type of horror movies, so that needs to happen. Sure. I mean, they've made horror movies about people turning into, you know, warruses and stuff and tires and things.

So, why not that? Why not? I know about the tire one. I don't know about the walrus one. What's that one? Yeah, that's a new thing. Wilford Brimley, stars in. Stars in.

Walrus. Walrus. Yes. All right. My turn, right? No, I lost, no. He was old in the 80s. He did well. Okay. All right. So, Scott, that was the last one. You got correct. So, Brian, all right, who starred as Rosemary Woodhouse in the 1968 horror film Rosemary's Baby? Yes, that was, uh, oh my God. I'm coming up with her name. Um, no, it wasn't my God. It's not that either That's from that haunted house It's not my final answer She was married to Frank Sinatra at the time She was, yes

Um Gonna have to cross to Scott Go to Crow, go to Scott I'm not going to get it I'm not going to pull it out Give me the question one more time All right Who started's Rosemary Woodhouse

In the 1968 horror film Rosemary's baby Her name is right on the tip of my time Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Of course it is. Blanche Cartwright. I have no idea.

It's a lady like that. It's like an old Hollywood. It's wherever you think of it. It's a Hollywood lady thing from wherever. It is an old Hollywood lady. Right. It's like, uh, and. No, you're both wrong.

Is it? That's a big, boop, that's Mia Farrow. Mia Farrow. Yeah. I forgot that. Okay. When I was actually confusing her with, uh, I was, you know, what I was thinking of. I was thinking of the

movie with the hangar and the kid. Oh, yeah. No, why are your hangers, Mommy dearest? Yeah, Faye Dunnoy. I don't think, wait, Mia Farrell wasn't married to Frank? Was she? Yeah. Oh, okay. And she was Woody Allen for a...

Oh, yeah, hell yeah. Frank Sinatra divorced her. Yeah, the Woody Allen thing. Frank Sinatra divorced her while they were making that movie, and then, of course, she ended up with Woody Allen, and there's a good documentary that you can watch about all of that. Okay, so neither

you've got that right. So the next one, that was Brian's question. So the next one is for Scott. Yeah. Number eight, what is the collective species? Name of pinhead, the chatterer and butterball,

etc. in Hellraiser movies. Those are centibites. That is correct. Well done. You can also get those for $4.99 a box at the synobon in the mall. They're two small. Oh, I like the large format ones.

I like full-sized Sennas. I like Sennas. I like the little ones. I like the little ones. But you can't get them in Australia. And that's why I get so excited. One of the many reasons going to Hawaii is you get to go to the Citi Buns store. Oh.

And you get those little city buns. And you've got to eat them straight away. Oh, yeah. No, they've got to be eaten hot. Oh, you eat them cold. Yeah, you're an insane versus to eat them cold. That's true. Yeah, it's gooey.

Okay. Scott, so Brian, all right, number nine. What horror character is summoned by saying his name five times in the mirror? That'd be a candy man. Bees, bees, bees. That would be candy man. Yeah, they'll shoot bees at you. Yes.

Okay. You were hoping I was going to say Beetlejuice, weren't you? I mean, that's always a chance, right? That's right. Well, he's three times. That's right. Yeah, Candyman is five. Yeah.

Kirby Weinstein is just one. He did this nine, 69. Yeah, yeah. Oh, jeez. Oh, wow. That's good. That's a lot of time in front of the mirror. Yeah.

Okay. Number 10. All right. So, Scott, what 1984 film has the two lead villains named Isaac and Malachi? Oh, children of the corn. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah.

Malachi. I hope someone in the chat's keeping score, because I have no idea what the score is. I think five to four. I'm keeping score that I can't add, so this should be interesting. Five-four? Five-four. Five for you. Barely.

I'm barely winning. Okay. All right. So, Brian, in the film, the 2015 film, The Witch, what kind of animal is Black Phillip? Well, thank goodness. I know this, but I haven't seen the film. I haven't seen the V-Vich, but I believe it is a goat in his crazy eyes. Yeah.

How have you not seen that? The V-Vich is awesome. Because I'm married to someone who can't handle horror movies. and so that means the only time I can watch it is directly like while I'm laying in bed and she's falling asleep and I can plow my iPad and watch something, probably not the best time to watch the Vavich.

Yeah, it's scary. The Vovich. It is good. That's good. That's a good horror movie. I like that a lot. I will support that all the way to the bank. That is a good horror movie.

And I like how they speak that old English American language as well. It's awesome. We still don't know what kind of creature Anya Taylor Joy is, though. do we don't no no i think she's one day we'll find out hopefully that furiosa movie will reveal what species she is but i'd like to go to that planet yeah i'd like to live there but she uh the dad the guy that plays the dad he was also in game of thrones and he's in a million

things he's great forget his name that actor is amazing but his use of that that accent ask him the name of the actor who is the dad in the vivich yeah then i'll lose this i'll lose this contest who it's the name of the actor in the vavich uh larry von pubis that's his name I think that's my dad. Oh, Bob Pupus. Wow. Yeah, there we go.

Tadie changed it to Leroux for obvious a lot. All right, so Brian got that. Can I show my slaves as well? Yeah, yeah. Can I show? This is my Halloween costume. Oh, look at you. Oh, cool.

You couldn't find any. It's a witchy thing. I know. I'm kidding. I don't know how they do their potions. I must get all the muck of potions. on their sleeves. Yeah.

You'd think they'd roll them up and... No, it depends on how good they are. They're good at it. They don't need any... They don't need to worry about it. They can dip their sleeves. No, true. It's fine. It's fine.

True. All right. All right. So it's Scott. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay.

So number 12. Watch 2002 horror film do a group of college students rent a cabin in the woods and fall victim to a flesh eating virus. Oh, that is cabin fever. that is cabin feather you are absolutely right there was eli roth's directorial debut you know what got me that one is uh well a we saw it for film sack i think we did did we do cabin fever i don't remember now i don't remember i've seen it and i think i think i think eli roth is incredibly overrated as a director um but yeah i don't think i don't think most of that his stuff's i think the like the hostile stuff is just kind of bad and boring i don't like it but that but cabin fever the nasty of the horror films Like I like psychological stuff as well And I like real life-based stuff But sometimes You're just in the mood to watch a really nasty horror

And I love the hostile movies I feel like I might watch them Actually after this Because I love them You should watch the Evil Dead remake It's very good It's scary as crap And it freaked me out

I've seen it Oh you do you like it Of course I've seen it Of course you've seen it I didn't like the remake of the Evil Dead movie Because I thought it was I don't like violence for just the sake of shock value.

It's got to have some purpose. I get you. So I wasn't a big fan of it. I know Bruce Campbell either. So how can you enjoy that? That's true. There's no Bruce Campbell. I like that.

The same guy did the first careful because the Vietnam vet who's blind will hear you and shoot you movie. What was that called? I hear you coming. I can hear you. They did a sequel to that and that was quite good as well. Yeah, I didn't see the sequel.

Different director of it. I like that guy. He makes cool movies. Anyway, the point is, oh, the reason I got this right is, is the year. This is the 2002 is the giveaway for that, just for the record. All right, go ahead. Brian's turn. What are you drinking?

What do you got today? What are we doing? One. Oh, it's wine. Oh, it's wine. Okay. I like it. I mean, red would have been a little bit more custom appropriate, but, you know, whatever.

If you're not going to fully commit to the bit, then. Yeah. If you don't want to. I went to a party party when I was in my Twitter. when he's and someone made, is it, what is it, sangria that you make with the red wine? Yeah, red wine and food. And I just spewed all over their apartment. So that was

me, that was the end of me and red wine. So white wine and I feel very happy. The beginning of your love for horror movies. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I like watching it. I don't like it happening actually to me. Okay. So, Brian, yeah.

This is the toughest question. This is the only one that Colonel Kikere did not get right. Oh, damn it. Okay. Yeah, sorry. You might get it. Okay. Who plays the religious fanatic Mrs. Carmody in Frank Darabond's 2007 horror film The Mist? I know this. Oh, okay.

Yeah, that is, it's the woman who was, uh, wasn't she Tom Cruise's wife in the firm? No, that's Jeannie Triplehorn. That's Jeannie Triplehorn. Okay, that's who I'm thinking of. Oh, no. Never mind. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Fine. Yeah. Oh, no. Yes. No, she's another, it's another Walking Dead person then. And it's the, I'll never get this actress's name. Let's just send it over to Scott. I know. I love that movie. And he knows it. I do love the mist. It's Marcia Gay Harden. Marcia Gay Harden. Not from Walking Dead, but looks kind of similar to Gene Triplehorn. Yes. I agree. Those two are.

She does a bit, yeah. They're the Leslie Bibb, what's her name, combo of their time. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. She's really evil in that movie. She's horrible in it. She is. She is.

That is a satisfying kill. I mean, we just recently did for retro cinema, our most satisfying 80s movie kills. But if it was open to all time, her being killed in that movie, you're just like, yes. Yes. And I don't wish harm on anybody, but they're movie characters. doesn't matter, she's still alive, but her character, you're just like, oh, you just sort of, you're on. Yeah, she plays it so well. She's brilliant. Okay, so that was Brian's question, didn't get it. So, Scott? Yeah. All right, what was the twist for the Stewart family,

including Grace and, and Nicholas, in the 2001 Gothic supernatural film, The Others? Oh, uh, the twist. What was the twist? Okay, my memory of that was, that Australian native former Tom Cruise's wife, what's her name? Yep. I can't think her name. What's her name? That's not part of the question.

What's her freaking name? Her name is Nicole Kidman. Nicole Kidman. Gosh, dang it. My memory was that she thought she was a lot. She thought she was seeing all the ghost ship, but she was a ghost in the end.

So it's kind of a six cents kind of deal. Is that the deal? Yeah, you got it. Ah, look at that. That would date. They were ghosts the whole time. And they were ghosts the whole time. But that's a great movie.

I love that movie. I love the others. It is such a great movie. And it took a Spanish director to just, I think it was his first English talking movie or something. But that that's an awesome movie. Okay. So I was kind of guessing that it might come to a tie. You guessed wrong, didn't you?

I guessed wrong on that one. Simmer sleeve. Beautiful. I think it's eight to five. But I think you, I think you. Usually you have 15 questions, right? So I probably added wrong or something. Yeah, 15 questions.

So the number 15 is the first in. Okay. All right. So the first in gets two points. So that could change things. We'll change anything, but that's great. That's fine. That's fine.

It's all fun. It's all fun. It's all fun. Okay. All right. First in. Who directed the 1980 horror film, The Shining?

Shit. that was what's wrong with me I know what's wrong with both of us the guy full metal jacket 2002 1st1 Space Odyssey What's wrong?

I know I know I know it's Come on blocked in my brain Hold on Stop it, come on just say it No wait Scott's having a brain fart

I know it's actually kind of fun to listen to it is fun to listen to actually it's to sit back and listen to that co-director of AI the bomb will drop movie from the 60s yeah Harvey not Harvey

you know he wasn't at my audition is the problem if he was at my audition then I'd probably remember his name but is wrong with oh that's right because you auditioned to be the kid in the shang you know Brian was second in line

he almost got to be the kid I was one of 10 that was one of the last 10 so still maybe 10th in line What were you the last ten full? To play Danny Torrance in The Shining. Yeah. You're kidding.

No. No. That is amazing. How cool would that have been? Oh, it would have been fantastic. What is wrong with my plane? But you know the director, Brian, so just bloody say it. Oh, my gosh.

What is wrong? Scott's about to explode. I know. This is kind of fun, actually. It's going to do a scanners and just blow. What I need to do is remember other things about that. And then the name comes to me because I'm just. trying too hard to remember it.

And when you try too hard to remember something, then you'll never remember it. The trick, you start to think of something, as soon as you think of something else, it'll come to you. Exactly. And that actor's name is. Yeah.

So you could say like, oh, see, and then it's, then it disappears. Like it's, S, uh, um, first letter,

first letter. The tadpole is full and a slate. Oh, I know. The Tedpool's yelling at us. They're actually getting, I'm sure they're all capping this. And his name is,

director, director. Director. Director. Claire Gagg? Yeah, Director. Stanley.

Stanley Kubrick is his name. Stanley Kubrick! There we go. I was almost there. I was almost there. Like I remember to stay. Scott.

That was painful. Yeah, that was bad. Yeah, about time, exactly. Yeah. It's like taking a... Oh, crazy. Yeah, it's like taking a... So what are your boys dressing up for for Halloween?

I'm going to be Hawkeye from. MASH. Oh, really? That's great. Really? Yeah, because we found a shirt that looks just like his floral blue shirt he always wore when he was like, when they were screwing off. And I've got a green actual MASH shirt to go under that and then some dog tags. And then we found a hat that looks just like his like chill out hat.

So I will look nothing like Alta under it, but all of the outside will be MASH. You'll have to shave your beard off. Well, yeah, well, there are things. There's some things I won't do in this world. that's one of them I'm just kidding. Because he's sometimes wore Hawaiian shirts as well, didn't he? Yeah, yeah.

And that's what this one looks like. It looks like a big blue and white. You do an open shirt too. So if I had a picture of it, you guys would go, oh, okay, yeah, the Hawke I always wore that. That's what we're doing. It's mostly my kids' ideas because they love mash. All right.

So Brian, what are you going as? I'm dressing as whatever I can just put in the suitcase and put on my head like a, like a funny hat. I'm going to Vermont for the weekend. and I'm not packing a big old cost. Oh, lovely. Yeah, because I don't even think they get trick-or-treaters where they live because the houses are so far apart out there that it just wouldn't be, it wouldn't make sense. They're too busy making romantic movies out in that area.

Yeah. Right, exactly. Like, when do we make a romantic movie? The Hallmark Christmas specials. You see things like, I wouldn't go knock on that door if I were you. Perfect. There we go. Stephanie's right.

I'm going to be Spider-Man. I'm taking this. I'll take that with it. in the This will fit nicely in the suitcase. I'll be Spider-Man. Perfect. Nice.

Brian, when you're there, you got to do that voice, though. You got to talk to people like that. You have to go, I wouldn't go up to that town of how are you. Try the jelly. Yeah, try the jelly. We make great jelly here.

You got to talk like all the Stephen King guys, the secondary characters in Stephen King books. It'd be good. Exactly. Yes. Well, all right. We did it. Once again, we did it.

Next month, we'll do another one. We did it. Yeah. Yes, all right. So just, just for. everybody listening, do you prefer multiple choice, like with some wacky answers, or do you prefer the direct answers? Let me throw out an alternative. Let's say, just throwing this out out and we can modify it. What if you get it without multiple choice, you get a point. If you

need the multiple choice, you get half a point. Oh, that's not bad. I like that. Yeah, I'm all, I'd sign on for that. That's good. Because I would have gotten Reagan with. half a point i would have got there were a couple in there that i probably would have gotten with half a point that i just like marsha gay hardin i would have gotten with half a point yeah oh what i would i would stand i i like that 100% all right i'll do that i'll do that end of december because we're not going anywhere okay all right i'm not going nowhere in december so i will be here baby you're not november yeah you usually go to oh yeah oh no november i will be on jury duty but that'll be fine because it'll be during the day so jury duty that's all good jury duty

I want to know what jury do these like down there. What's it like? Yeah, no kidding. I love it. We get paid. Do your judges, do you're barrister? You don't have barristers there. Do you have judges or?

We have lawyers, solicitors and QCs and judges. Okay. And the judges don't wear funny wigs, powdered wigs or anything. Sometimes if it's a big case, they do, if it's a local case, they just show up in speedos and thongs. Sweet. That's what I like about where you live. Yeah. They pay you?

Hold on. How much do you get paid for that? Well, the last time I did jury duty, I was on jury duty for two and a half months, and I got paid $290 a week. That's pretty good. Which wasn't too bad, five days a week, and you got in a 10 a.m. and left at like 3.30. So, you know, it was better than working. And they've increased it. They've doubled it now. And I'm out of work. So it works out perfectly.

So I hope it's a big murder. Hey, fingers crossed. Yeah, fingers crossed, big and gnarly murder. Let's hope somebody died To make it interesting Family killed That'll be perfect That's great Yeah

Go on for months You'll know it's big You'll know it's big Because I'll have a wig on That's how you'll know Yeah exactly Everybody gets a meat pie Awesome

Make sure people check out The Retro Cinema Podcast Where can they get it And why should they I mean they should But why? Why should they? Well sell them

You know Give them your pitch Yeah So I'm I'm co-host Of the Retro Cinema Podcast We just talk about 80s movies. We're an hour-long podcast. We're not critics. We just talk about the movies that we absolutely love from the 80s that we watched when we were teenagers. And our recent one just

out tonight was actually top 10 80s movie kills. So that was fun. So I picked a lot of quirky ones. So check that out. And we're on every platform. So thank you boys. Happy Halloween, everybody. Have a great time, Tedpool. Everyone listening. Happy Halloween. You do. You as well. Enjoy your wine, your copious amounts. Enjoy your wine. Yeah, Drew your wine. Friggint, Stanley Kubrick, man, I swear to God, if you would have said, you know,

name the movie where Jack Nicholson plays Jack Torrance. I would have been able to, like, oh, it's directed by Stanley Kubrick. The name of the movie is, you know, it's when you're trying to come up with something. Listen, I swear to God, it's early onset Alzheimer's. I mean, we all, if anyone lives long enough, you're guaranteed, you know, your brain's going to break down, right? Right. So you always wonder when you can't remember Stanley Kubrick.

is like, is this the beginning of my time? And that's like, you know, Stanley freaking Kubrick, that should be a top of mind. That's like forgetting George Lucas or Steven Spielberg for me or, you know, or for you know what's interesting is for usually what happens is saying something about things that are in the periphery of the movie. Yes. Remind me of what I'm needing to say.

As soon as I started saying like Jack Twins, you know what if I would have said and the hotel is the overlook and it's modeled after the Stanley Kubrick. Yeah, there you got you to know that. He's had to keep talking to yourself, right? Right, exactly. But like before. When she said the Malachi and the other character, that's all I needed for Children of the Corn, if she said, if she said anything else about the Children of the Corn, I probably would have got hung up on it. Malachi is the only, the only action right there that I do.

TBZ gone just put up that Hawkeye image. That's the shirt. Oh, with the Hawaiian shirt? Yeah, except the one I'm, the way I'm going to wear it, it will be like open with a with a khaki underneath. Uh, and then I've got pants like that and that hat. Yep. So I'm going, that's what I'm doing. And no one at our door will know what the hell I am because they're all little kids have never seen MASH.

So their parents will get it. I should, I should ask my dad if we're going anywhere, like if we're going to a restaurant or anything that night. And, and it would be appropriate for me to have something, some sort of costume. Because if it is really just going to be us staying home watching something that, uh, the three of them find scary. Yeah. Like, oh, what are we going to watch? Rosemary's baby. Up in the air where you don't get freaking fire miles.

Oh, that's scary. Ooh. Ooh. A movie where people are taxed fairly? Exactly. All right. We're going to do a little bit of news. We got some time.

So we're going to crank a couple of these off. Cool. It's time for the news, and it's brought to you by. Brought to you by Coverville today, Beasts and Beasties is going to be the subject. Of course, Halloween is coming up just around the corner, and so it's a chance to play some covers of songs that aren't your obvious ones, right? No Monster Mash, no, nothing like that. It's going to be things like Sympathy for the Devil, Wicked Game, Enter Sandman, covers of songs like that. Plus, because it is Kingad Rock's birthday on Halloween, we'll do a set of Beastie Boys,

including the weirdest version of sabotage you're ever going to hear. Oh. The weirdest damn version of sabotage. All right. That's intriguing. I want to hear that. Cool. Okay.

I won't even say more than that because it's just so damn weird. Very cool. So that'll be a 1 p.m. Mountain Time. Twitch.tv. slash Coverville. And I will be playing Guardians of the Galvest. Galaxy while the music's going. Oh, nice.

They'll get to see you take Peter Quill out for a... Take him out for a spin. Yeah. Does that game... I bet that game has... I didn't check. It probably has a built-in option to turn the music to something... Oh, I don't know if it does.

Because usually for the... Yeah, usually when I'm doing the show, obviously, I don't... It turned down all game sounds because... Yeah, you're safe then. People want to hear the music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, there's so much stuff... I didn't realize there's going to be so much licensed stuff in that game.

Oh, I don't. I know. Surprise me. It's great. I love it. It's like perfect for the... It's like a guitar hero game. There's so much.

Yeah. Even when he's just like in the opening or in the menu and he's just sitting there flipping tracks, it's like all the music of my youth is in this game. It's crazy. Really crazy. Anyway, 1 p.m. you guys. Twitch. That's right. Exactly.

And yes, Redlings, there will be a brand new cover of Wheelwolves of London that just came out a few weeks ago by a man that you haven't thought about since the 90s. I love that song. Exactly. That's the cover. You guys just heard it. That's it. It was exactly all you get. All you get.

Here's your story. Here's a Halloween story for you. Two in five Americans say ghosts exist. And one in five say they've encountered one. Hmm. Okay. Are you a ghost believer? Are you a ghost deniers?

I am not a ghost believer. I think ghosts are often and more often than not figments of people's imagination. I think that dream states can tell people a lot about what they think they're seeing. And I have people who I know who say that they wake up in the middle of the night and see ghosts and visages. But it turns out they have an actual scientific condition whose name I forgot. Someone in the chat will know this name. drunk is that actual scientific condition. I can't remember what it is.

There's a word for it, but at night, you're caught. It's some weird thing where you, it's not even a disability or anything, but it's some condition where you get caught between REM and non-REM sleep, and they're in that space is like an effed up perception. Well, hallucinations on. Yeah. And I think hallucinations happen. I think not sleep paralysis, something else.

I forget the name of it. Oh, wow. Citi and, yeah, Parasoph. Is that it? That might be it. Parasophial aliasm, lism. So it's a lot. But I'll just say this and you can, everyone who wants to can come at me.

Ghosts aren't real. And if you think they are, you're freaking buying into snook oil. I'm totally, I'm open to any proof that people can give me and the ghost hunters show ain't it. That new Demi Lovato thing that I keep seeing commercials for where she describes herself as, I'm Demi Lovato, actress, singer, and ghost experiencer, which is the most awkward. title ever. Yeah, I'm more inclined to believe people who, and I also don't think they've seen them, but I'm more inclined to believe Bigfoot sightings and alien sightings. Now, if you know me, you know that that, I already don't think those are happening. So that's just how far off ghosts are

for me. Like, it's, it's, if you, if you buy into it in any significant way, you're just kind of a sucker. That's all I'm saying. Anyway, that's where I'm at with that. Hey, uh, I guess send your emails if you're ghost believer? I don't know. Who's out there that's like, oh, I can't wait to register my complaint? I don't fault anybody who believes in them, but unless I can actually see some sort of proof, then I'm a skeptic. Yeah, there you go. Skeptical always. Yeah, you show me, give me some hard proof. I'm in. But some blurry film of, uh, some night footage of somebody's security camera that, uh, thinks that a little fly or a moth in the middle of the night is a ghost. that's not proof

that's additional horseshit all right moving on is of the jungle brings up a I wonder if you want to tackle this he says you know why is it okay for people to say I believe in God

and it's perfectly normal but if you say I believe in ghosts Bigfoot or Loch Ness then you're a sucker I think it's because you're not believing in a well you're not believing in a little dude who lives in the clouds per se you're believing in a faith. You're having faith in a, in a, um, a spirit that, uh, that, that, that, that powers the

religion, right? It's the, the, the basis of the religion that you have faith in. Yeah. They also, I believe he's walking around doing miracle. And you got no, you got no, you got no proof of that either. So, I'm not, he's, what about rainbows, Scott? What he's saying is, if you believe, what he's saying is, why is it okay? There's, there's, there is no okay. Neither of those examples are proof ready. Neither one of them are going to go, look, this has had any sort of proof that we can say, oh, well, there you go. There's perfect proof of the

existence of God. Yeah. And then, you know, plenty of people claim it, but I, you know, no one shows me any proof. That's right. Let's see your proof. And again, it can't be security camera that caught them off at 2 a.m. It can't be that. It can't be

that shaky cam video of Bigfoot locked it into the jungle that Glenn Tarantino has on repeat. in his office. Damn straight. Oh, yeah, look at that. Oh, look, I just walk away, man. Just walk away.

Look at those feet. Yeah, look at those feet. You are going to have a... Claire... I look, Claire has figured out that as long as you have a couple lowercase letters in her all caps, then she gets away with it. She is really trying to figure out how to bust that rule. I think it's hilarious. All right.

Two and five. That's a lot. And here's how this goes. With Halloween just days away. It's season for all things spooky. Ghosts, demons, vampires, all that stuff. A new U-Gov survey of 1,000 American adults. That's not a huge sample, but whatever.

Found that many aren't convinced that these entities are just the stuff of scary stories and horror films. More than two and five Americans say they believe demons, 43% exist. A similar percentage, 41% say the same about ghosts. For both, more Americans say they do exist than don't. The rest are unsure. sure. So far, so, sorry, far fewer Americans believe in the existence of werewolves, only 9%. Why? Why do, why is that any less? What's that? What's that? Why are will wolves more than vampires? There's somebody's like, well, of course there are werewolves, but vampires, come on,

don't be crazy. Yeah, don't get, don't be bringing your vampire bullshit around there. There's a whole 1% of the population that believes in werewolves, but not vampires. Yeah, that's odd. So vampires at 8, 31% think that other supernatural beings do exist, so without specifics. Women are more likely than men to believe in both ghosts, 50% versus 31%, and demons 48 to 38. That's an interesting break. I wonder where that would be. That's weird. Education level may also play a part, really, you think?

You think education might have something to do with this? Play a part in whether a person believes in ghosts, Americans with postgraduate education are the least likely to believe in ghosts at 28% compared to 41. percent overall. Yeah, that's kind of how that goes. The same trend applies to the topic of whether demons exist. Americans who completed the postgraduate education programs are least likely to believe in demons at 31% compare to 43 overall. I still think 31's high. Welcome to our TED Talk. And by the way, completely respect and support people who do believe in God and all that. Oh yeah, let's make this clear. I don't want my earlier comment to make it sound like, no, if you believe in God,

you're a sucker too because that's definitely not the way that's not what the way we're that's not what we're saying what i'm saying specifically is anybody who believe you know what flip it over and just go bigfoot yeah there you go if you believe in but bigfoot you're a sucker yeah it's the same thing it's just a complete it's a complete hoax and it's always been one and will ever be one and we now live in a time where we have like powerful technology that that can scan an entire forest and see if there's any heat signatures anything anything out of the ordinary they're not there they don't exist right right i believe in mailer demons what's a mailer demon i don't know what that is that's uh it sits on the server and reroutes your email oh oh yeah oh oh like man like yeah it's like now that you said

it i can now see it exactly it's like if you've used soil mail or demon yeah i love that so dam dam it's never it's not it's supposed to be spelled demon i pronounce a demon but it's D-A-E-M-O-N-S. I don't know if it's pronounced demons or damans. I don't think it's pronounced male or damon. Maybe, do we have a bio cow or some techie expert person buy into that? Or can tell us how we're supposed to say that? Yeah.

Anyway. Yeah, we're not, we're not bashing religion. No, no, no. First of all, people need to understand. They probably know this about me already. Religion for me, my entire life has not been about what deity or what, what thing you think is there, or what thing you have faith in. It's about on the ground, like, getting work done kind of religion.

Like, make sure that guy's fed. Make sure that lady has a job. Make sure those kids are protected. See what you can do about helping that lady with cancer. That's religion to me. So if you're wondering why I'm not being dismissive. I'm just, I just think that rubber to the road is where we ought to be focused with religion. Yes, rubber.

Focus on rubber. Focus on your rubber. and your road, and you'll never be hungry a day in your life. Okay. That's it for that. We're done. That's news. Okay.

The ghost story is all you're going to get today. But that's okay, because when we come back, my sister Wendy will be here. We're going to talk about some of those phobias you guys sent in last week. Excited about that. So stick around. But first, Brian will play a song. Brian, what do you go? Sure.

The beginners have a brand new single that they've released. It's coming from their forthcoming. EP, which is called Ui-Gui. Scott, you're going to like this as much as I do because it features a vocalist from the Aces, Matthias Mora, and we both really like the Aces. They're that local Utah band that had the song, what was it, the 805?

What's your area code out there? 8-0-0. Then other numbers. Mine's 8-0-0. Oh, no, I'm sorry. 80-5. Nobody has the A-E-Code 800? They're not, sorry.

I was thinking a zip code I was thinking zip code Sorry, 801 and 4-435 Yeah, we have two of them So their song, the 801 was Oh, I love that song so much It's so good, so good Those are the Aces and

Matthias Moore from that band Is a guest vocalist on this song The new song is called NARly And it's by Beginners from their upcoming EP Ui Gooey. party pull dance I got my keys

but not my pants jumping naked holding hands dumb and reckless in a trance yeah I'm cool it man ruin and pants

extra unnecessary you want a jam let's start a band I'm feeling legendary Damn, what a house Tightly Party party Party party

Nile Damn, what a house Party Party party party Nile Shoals on the ceiling fan I love you I don't even know you man

My friends are in the trash can Order up another pizza For the fam I'm cool, man, ruin and patch, extra unnecessary, you want to jam? Let's start a band. I'm feeling legendary. Damn, what a house, party, party, party, party, party, narly. Damn, what a house, party, party, party.

Party, gnarly, party, party, party, party, party, party, Nilele. Damn, what a house. Party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party. Party, party, party. I feel great. You don't look so long.

Yeah, I feel great. I feel great. Damn, what a house, tidy, party, party, party, party, party, party, Nile. Damn, what a house. Tightie, party, hidey, party, hidey, hidey, party, party. Fada, potta, fadda, fad it. Nile.

Bada, butter, butter, butter, butter, potta, potta, down, what a house, tidy, tidy, party. Hey, you guys. What's going on? You know, it's fall. It's fall. Do you feel it? We could all use a stiff breeze. This episode's brought to you by Blue Chew. Guys, listen, confidence can take you pretty far in life. I can help you in the bedroom as well, especially when it comes to stepping up to the plate. Well, that's where Blue Chew comes in. Blue Chew is unique. online service that delivers the same act of ingredients as Viagra and Cialis, but in chewable tablets at a fraction of the cost. And you can take them any time, day or night,

so you can plan ahead or be ready whenever the opportunity arises. This process is pretty simple. Sign up at bluechew.com, consult with one of their licensed medical providers. And once you're approved, you'll receive your prescription within days. The best part, it's all done online. No doctor visits. No sitting around in that office, waiting for anybody, no awkward conversations. and no waiting in line at the pharmacy.

Blue 2 tablets are made right here in the USA and prepared and shipped directly to your door as well in a very discreet package. So, first impressions are important. What about lasting impressions? That's right, Blue Chew can help you in the ways you need it to help you. So, if you could benefit from that, a little bit of extra confidence when it's time to perform,

bluechew can help. We've got a special deal for our, our listeners, try Bluechoo free when you use our promo code TMS at checkout. Just pay $5 shipping. That's bluechew.com promo code TMS to receive your first month free. Visit bluechew.com for more details and important safety information as well. And we thank Blu for sponsoring today's episode. Was it a good idea putting our trust into that man? The one who defeated Komata the Guardian. It could have been.

Yes, I'm almost sure he did it. Baseball players are swimming in ladies. The morning stream. It's like this show that you're listening to right now, but better. All right, we have returned from the break. Brian, that song once again, please. This song is gnarly, and it comes from the Ui-Gui EP, which comes out November 12th of this year. It's by beginners featuring Matthias Mora from the band The Aces.

That's a lot of information. Growing up in the 801, it's such a great song. It's a great album. That whole album is great. That whole album's great. I hope they have nothing but just like extreme success. I think they're an awesome local band, and I'm proud to say they're from here. All right, we're going to get Wendy in here.

Her phone says she's on sleep, but I don't think that's true. She's sleeping. Yeah. Don't wake her. My guess is. It'll ring her phone. Yep, there it is. See, the icon changed.

Uh-huh. And then it'll transfer to her PC or her Mac, which is where she'll probably answer this. She's got the rings of ringage. The rings of ringage, as Darrell used to say. Oh, by the way, somebody asked it, hey, you guys should have Daryl on talk about that new animated trek thing coming out. Oh, yeah. I did.

He said, no. I know. We try to get Daryl on here all the time. Yeah, he doesn't want to. He's not mad. We talk. It's fine. Everything's good.

It's just like, I don't know. He just doesn't want to do it. I don't know. I don't know why. But he, you ping him on Twitter. He'll tell you how he feels about that stuff. He still loves Star Trek as far as I know. And I don't know if you saw that painting he did.

Did you see that? Oh, it was amazing. Yeah. The Bob Ross painting? Yeah. He's a little Bob Ross inside of him. He's got like Bob Ross in him. And he didn't even know.

know it. He'd probably cranky about that, too, but still, it's very cool. Now, he's, he's, way, way more talented painting than we ever knew than we ever had any idea. Yeah, it seemed really rad. All right. Wendy, oh, there she is. Hi, Wendy. No, you're fine. You're good. Hey, wait, wait, I have music. Where is it? Look who it is. It's my sister Wendy. She is a true professional therapist that helps real people all the time with their real problems, but she slums it here on Thursdays with us to help you with yours. And today, it's a little different. It feels like appropriate for Halloween week, though, because you had us collect a few phobias from our listeners. And we're going to talk about those.

Before we do, though, do you got any hot plans for the holiday? You got anything fun with the kids? Actually, Adam is out of town. He's in Vegas for, this is hilarious. I don't know who all these people are, but he works for 3M, and he is at a wound conference. Ooh, that sounds fun. A wound. Is that great? Is it an open? Is it an open?

You'll get it like an open wound? Okay. It's an open wound. I like what you did there. Thank you very much. Yeah, that's where he is. So I am going to be handling the Halloween sugar rush by myself. So I'm very bored and excited at the same time.

That's awesome. So you're going to be at the, you'll be door. You'll be a door person. I'll be the door, and I will be trying to keep my dog happy. He has an, it's not Adidas, but it's Addy Dog sweatshirt with the hood that he wears. It's so cute, and it's, I don't know if you know this, but you put a sweater on a dog, and the reason they look so sad is because they're totally restricted and hate it. So that's how I'm going to handle the dog in the door, and then the kids just trick-or-treat.

Cool. That sounds fine. I can't even imagine what Vegas is like on Halloween. If it's just, you know, the scantily clad get even scantily clatter and start walking around down the strip. How do you have a sexy nurse costume when? Right. When every day in Vegas is a sexy nurse day. Right.

How do you go? How do you go more costume or how do you go more Halloween? I'm wearing a post-inch stamp today. We did it one year. We were there in Halloween one year. It was only for, it may have only been the daytime. It was passing. I don't remember what the deal.

was we weren't there like at night for all of whatever would go on but i remember it being pretty wall-to-wall people outside walking with like costumes on and kids and kids included like people were just dressed up and it was on the nicer end of the strip like who knows what fremont looked like that night oh geez uh i don't want to think about it a lot more tricks far fewer treats that's right uh well windy uh it's good to have you here and uh i hope that's fun oh the only other question is is ab what's take on the he's too old now he's not going to go He's just going to, he has a tradition. He and his buddies have a Halloween party where they're dumb.

I don't know. Yeah. That's what he does. They're just dumb. I'm sure they're going to do damage because now all of them drive. So it's a little scary. Dumb and do damage. That's what you do.

Yeah, dumb and do damage. That's what kids do. That's what they do. All right. Well, let's get to what other people don't like to do. We got to talk about things we hate. Yeah, we got a handful of these. Now, not nearly as many people sent in them that I thought that we,

would a lot of people just didn't admit their their phobias um you know we've talked about also really quick let me just say this phobias are the extreme form of what we all have and so uh it applies to everybody but i appreciate their oh that's interesting so if i have a fear if i have an extreme fear of heights somebody else might have a slight fear of heights or ultimately everybody if they're in a precarious position at height are going to experience it right okay that makes or they've lost a part of their brain so why do we maybe this is the point of today but why do we why do some of us have that at it at its extreme we will get there so let's use somebody's example we use the the monkey one

no the no not the monkey one that one's funny we definitely read that one okay read the monkey one first and then we we want to mainly focus on the cockroach all right this is from jessica this is uh hi all in windy says the email i be or i'm behind and just listened to the last week's therapy thursday episode here's my phobia i'm terrified of monkeys. Twice. I've actually run away from them and left my child. They were actually quite... Here they come. Walk around the street. Nice. Those, I don't think it's those kind of monkeys, but maybe. Oh, those are the ones I'm afraid of. Okay. Mickey Dolans, man. Yeah, he's scary. You don't want him falling you around. Anyway, uh, talked about how the kid was quite small,

uh, left them behind me out of pure terror. I feel hideous and guilty when I think about it. And I did manage to get my act together and go back for him. He was really fine. They were very small. and his father was there really but ohmg really i don't live in a place with regular monkey encounters but when i've been on vacations and they're around i do not love it i can see them they're very far away that's fine i cannot feed them i don't want to be near them and the whole let's go to borneo and be one of the be one with the apes sounds mental to me honestly i'm not scared of many animals hippos are gross but monkeys are just awful man really throwing the hippos on the bus.

No kidding. We'll drive by hippo. Hippos are gross. Like, nobody brought up hippos, but just decided to just throw them on the bus. I guess you'd have to throw them.

It'd be a big bus. But anyway, whatever. It'd be a very big bus. It says there's, but monkeys are just so awful. I walk by them at the zoo. What? But monkeys are just so awful.

I just walk by them at the zoo. Oh, she doesn't hang around to look at them. I think bats are cute. I don't have much of a feeling about snakes or spiders. I don't want to touch live fish, but I would, if I had to, people with pet monkeys are weirdos, right? Have a great Halloween, Jessica. I really like that one.

Yeah, people's monkeys are weird, right? Anyway, have a great Halloween. Happy Halloween. Yeah. I don't have this feeling about monkeys at all. I was trying to think of this. Like, if I was putting a cage with a really angry gorilla, yeah, my, I think suddenly my ape fear would climb.

But like little monkeys or just see them in a zoo or, you know, being around them, that doesn't scare me at all. Even the mean ones. It's just like, ah, you weird looking. little weirdos, you know, it'd be fine. So, so, all right, so let's talk about this one. So we'll just start with this. This is like, well within the range of normal to a little extreme, right? Like how she feels about hippos and spiders and snakes is we'd say that's, that's a normal range of response to an animal. So what I like about this is that it's animals,

because we all can think of something that maybe we don't love that when it gets near us or it can get out of control. Like, everyone who loves dogs doesn't love a snarling attack dog in their face. Promise. I promise. That's a moment you don't love dogs. And it's because you are threatened and there's all the signs that you're being threatened. Right.

Okay, so the question becomes what happened with monkeys that moved it from the range of like she's probably spiders. She doesn't want to touch live fish. I love the fish one. The fish is good. I have that, by the way. I don't want to touch live fish. I don't want to touch live fish.

I don't want to touch live fish. Why does that say about me? Is that bad? You want to touch live fish? I don't want to touch live fish. They freak me out with their live. Right. So that's an example of within the range of like, yeah, it's kind of gross.

Or it doesn't feel good or that's strange. And then other people, maybe their curiosity is a little. bigger than the maybe innate fear of an unknown thing, right? So often we talk about ADD, for example, as this, like, this doesn't work in the modern world. You've got to focus or whatever. Truth is, the reason it's rampant and the reason it survived genetically through all of the hunter-gatherers is that curious, uninhibited person run out in front and found the new water source or found a new food to eat. And then a bunch of people died as well, right? But the ones who, you know, genetically have been rewarded also have been risk takers or just, you know, that type of thing.

So you think about animals in that way. If the creepy crawly eight legs coming at you of a giant tarantula didn't scare you, well, then somebody figured out what it was because it didn't bother them or, you know, found out it wasn't poisonous. So we have a long history of humanity and things that are not human to decide if we're afraid of them or not. Some come very naturally because of the way they move. You know, there's certain animal features that are scary. Spiders, snakes, the way they move, yep. Yeah, different. Or coloring, poison, like all of the ways in the natural world, you know, an animal

lets someone else know it's either poisonous or I'm going to taste bad or get away from me. All of those things also work on us. We just don't have the sense of smell that warns us early. or we, but we do visually concede the thing, right? And so it's usually color red too, right, that animals will have that and to make other animals think that they're poisonous that they're, yeah, red's good. Which is why brown recluses are so terrifying because they're just brown and they can look like your carpet.

Yeah. And they look like wolf spiders and, oh, yeah, they're pretty much. Yeah, they'll eat your flesh or whatever they do. Yeah, see, we can find things to be scared of. So, all right, so how this, I want you to tell that story first because it's fun. but it's an example of like something maybe happened once in her life with a monkey and it could have been a stuffed sock monkey we don't know um but often how anything moves from neutral to that's a little weird to I hate and I will abandon my child to get away from it

then we know um that something has triggered the brain and I'll get into the the the anatomy of it in just a second but something has triggered the brain the fear receptors all of it to say hey you may not be okay and sometimes it's just adjacent to monkeys so maybe something really hard happened at the zoo once she got yelled at she got lost something hard and difficult and they kind of got all of her everything tingly and then she sees a monkey and that could be enough. It's just the proximity of the monkey to the other heartwork brain, the smell of a monkey, whatever.

So now here she is as a parent, like, yeah, I got to take my kids to zoos because that's the right thing to do. And she's having to sort of deal with a monkey. It's far more likely that a monkey threw poo at her at the zoo. Yeah, seriously, so many things. Also, monkeys look enough, like human movement. I think there's just something else about that that can be really freaky. But vast majority of people aren't afraid of monkeys.

Why is she? Well, usually because there is some tie and we'd have to maybe psychoanalyzer to figure it out. This next story, though, is a much more clear example of this. And then I'm going to walk you through how you would actually treat either of these things. But let me just say really quick, let me describe what is happening in the brain. So I think last week we talked about the amygdala. Yeah. We were talking about movies when you're a kid and how they stick with you and all that stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. And so think of it, we kind of think of the brain as having three layers and the first oldest part of the brain is the lizard you've heard it called the lizard brain before right yeah and that is survival eat sex fight freeze run die young like it's it has got nothing um it's just instinctual really survival based responses to things this is also we breathe without thinking type of thing right where someone's stopping your breathing you're going to fight like crazy to breathe again, right? A lot of that really is that. You know, it's funny is I'm not good at focusing on my breathing. I never have been. I get distracted and think of other things when I'm

supposed to focus on my breathing is just like relaxation or whatever. But when somebody brings up the fact that we breathe without thinking about it, then all I can think about is that I'm breathing. Isn't that weird? If somebody don't think of a black dog and all you can think of is a black dog at that point. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird reverse thing. And that is exactly what. I'm getting at, is they don't do something is like a cue to the brain that there must be something going on there. My favorite story, do you remember my friend Katie? Yeah, I love Katie.

Katie was my favorite of your friends. She was great. She went to New York after college. She was great. She went to college after New York, or went to New York after college and lived on some fun street and always funny things happened to her, right? And she said one time she's walking down the street. And there's this guy.

And you know how they always have, like, the sidewalk opens up and it goes down into a basement? It's like those, whatever. She, he's carrying this giant, really heavy bag, and he kind of is setting it down into the darkness. And he looks over her like a cartoon and goes, never you mind what goes on down here. That's great. So guess what? She wanted to really, really know what was going on down there, right? It's that protective as this.

And it may be. like a funny version of it, but it always extends to, if I know something, I'm going to feel better about it, right? So that's why we explore things or that's why we try something is I need to see it or touch it or know it. That's one of our ways of understanding the world. And so when you're told not to, there is this just, is this safe or not that kind of gets clicked in? So that's a little bit reptilian. I would say that could be more complicated in that, but we'll say it's that okay so that thing is exactly the premise of what we're getting at is the don't do something only makes it scarier so that guy was probably taking down like laundry or garbage or something like

it's probably not scary at all and he was just being funny and if she had followed him and said you know I'd really like to know what's going on down here and saw that it was just garbage then her brain would go oh yeah that's nothing but what her brain has now is a funny story but also it's a little bit freaky she doesn't know so the knowing actually gives the brain the message like oh it's okay right well not only she not know but she doesn't she make up she's made up her own ending to the story too probably a number of ways right totally yeah and then for 20 years we say never you mind what goes on down there right like it's it's built into our vocabulary becomes a quote of yeah it's our own meme friend name uh the meme before memes were cool okay so

then if we think of what's happening okay so we have this little little almond shape part of our brain called the amygdala and that is where all of the input it has connections throughout the brain and the body like it is a seismic almond but mega powerful and that is it gets the information of that berry is red i'm in the forest i've never seen it before that could be really bad um so you're going to have a nervous response or a fear sort of a it can be a curiosity but like a nervous curiosity kind of like haunted house stuff you know like you your body has this instant i don't know if i'm okay or not and so what the migdala does is it's constantly scanning using all of its resources to see if things are safe or not and so let's say you walk into a

party you know no one you the amygdala is scanning the room and it's like yeah this isn't good i don't know anybody i could really you know it's not thinking it's just feeling i should let's be really clear it just creates the parasympathetic nervous system to respond so now your heart rate has gone up your blood pressure is a little higher your stomach doesn't feel awesome like it's it's preparing you for something bad to happen and then nothing bad happens because it's just a dumb party or the other way around you walk into a party you know a bunch of people it's all your favorite people this is going to be so much fun i can't wait i i haven't seen you all for two years yay so it scans the room everything is safe and you feel calm and good right So that's, that's its job. It's to find scary things that could hurt you and kill you and to let you know you're safe. Okay. This is really important. The amygdala does no thinking.

It's a reptile. It does no thinking. It just responds. Okay. So who does all the thinking is the cortex. So that is the storytelling part of us that helps us understand the feeling. So let me give you two examples. Did I give these last time about going in the basement and seeing a figure?

No, I don't think so. I feel like I said it before, and maybe I did it here. Sorry. Okay, so now imagine you walk down in your basement, your little kid. Everyone has a scary basement. It's a kid story, right? Yep. And you look over and you see a figure in the corner.

Is it a hippo? It's not a hippo. It looks like a dude who's probably going to kill you. Okay. And what happens? You turn, well, often. you turn around and run the other way. Oh, maybe you freeze.

That might be it, right? Yeah, you can choose. You can, you don't choose, by the way. The amygdala chooses for you. The amygdala chooses for you. You fight, flight, or flee, right? You do one of the three Fs. And that happens with no thought.

That's just because your visual intake was this figure in the corner. So you instantly have the three Fs. Wait, why is there three? Is it flight and flee the same? Flea or kind of the same. Flea is flight. Same thing. Okay.

There is a, fourth and uh we can't say that one on on the show yeah that is not one of this uh the fourth one the fourth may be mistaken by men as as what you're referring to but fourth the fourth one is fawn which is like really trying to convince the ax murderer that he's a nice person and he's not going to they he's safe oh well it's what you see in movies but you should never try in real life like uh trying to talk to your mugger you know right you just Or your abuser. Like there's lots of versions of this.

Or your boss, who's a jerk, right? There's phoning that happens. Okay, so the thread is there. Your amygdala reacts. You eventually have one of the three F responses. And then you've, someone flips on the light and you see it's that you're, it's your dad's suit hanging there drying in the laundry room. Yeah. So now the cortex goes, oh, yeah.

Okay, cool, cool, cool. I had it wrong. I thought it was a guy going to kill you. because so the amygdala responded there is no story so the cortex goes that guy's going to kill you that's the response of the cortex the thinking newer parts of our brain goes there has to be an explanation what is it must be a murderer and you hit the lights and now i have more information and now the cortex changes the story to oh it's just a suit now just for a moment imagine this happens to you you were frozen how long until you feel you're back to homeostasis your heart rate's

normal your breathing is normal probably you know five Five minutes, a few minutes. It can take up to about 20 to feel completely normal. Really? Not long. Okay. But it varies. It varies with people. It varies with how your sort of endocrine system works.

But for the most part, you're looking at five to 20 minutes for most people. Okay. And that's because what the amygdala just did, if you didn't poop your pants, it was preparing to. Right? Which is get blood to your extremities or away from your extremities so they don't get chopped off and you bleed to death. Make sure your lungs are extra-capacitated so you get more oxygen to your heart so you can run. Your quads have more zing so you can run away. You don't need that poop in your colon, so either let's get rid of that or suck it back in.

So no digestion, no reproductive rights. Nothing's happening that isn't necessary in that moment. So to get from that state in one second is that's the amygdala's job. And it does a really good job. and for it to then calm down takes a while because we have to reabsorb the crap that just got released and, you know, blah, blah, blah, it's like you're rushing to put all the boards up because the hurricane's coming. You live in South Florida, but then it takes a lot longer to take those boards down and get your store back to normal. Totally. Yeah, good comparison. And this is where breathing is always so highly recommended for calming is because what happens when you're in that state is you don't breathe deeply. You breathe shallowly and rapidly, right? And that's why when you see panic attacks, on TV shows, they're heavy breathing in a bag, right?

It's that quick breath that is part of escaping. That's part of the three Fs, right? So you get back to homeostasis. The brain tells you, oh, cool, cool. Yeah, it's just a suit. We're fine, and the amygdala eventually is fine. Yeah. So I'm going to promise you for the next 10 times you go down the stairs,

you're going to hit the light before you walk in the room. Because your brain has learned the amygdala is the driver of is something safe or not. Let's just not do that again. Okay. So that's one example. Now I'm going to give you a different example. And this is where anxiety. So that makes sense, right?

That is our system working. And of course, our cortex is creative and thinks of an axe murderer rather than a coot. So coat suit. A coat. A suit coat. What am I saying? Coat suit. Suit coat is what you mean.

Stop it. Okay. So here's a different story. So say you are home alone. Yeah. And okay, here's a thing. I'll give me a specific example. So there's a woman home alone.

Her husband is traveling. He's out of town. He hasn't gone out much. And he's suddenly gone. And she's sitting in her house and it's 9 p.m. at night and the garage door opens. So the garage door does not trigger the amygdala. Because guess what? The amygdala has heard a million times is the garage door.

It's never been associated with death, destruction. Someone's here to kill you. It's only been associated with, oh, my friend's coming home or my husband's coming home, or we're heading somewhere. It just has no amygdala triggering power. But, so this is where the cortex goes, yeah, guess who's not in town? That garage door should not be opening. So the cortex is now the thing alarmed because it knows that someone's not in town and that door shouldn't be opening. So then it scares the amygdala.

so it's like the it's like the hold on a minute this is not you know this isn't it's logical the cortex part it's like the thinking part right yeah it's logical except for you're going to get murdered right now well right it's basically just presenting the facts which is like well just so you know that thing did make the noise and that's normal when your husband's here but as you know he's not here so therefore and then the mignala goes oh shit it starts freaking out and bang up that's exactly what happens so when we talk about anxiety or even phobia specifically, there is something that is,

there's a dance between these amygdala and the cortex. And they can scare each other, right? So think of it as like the friend that you want to go to the haunted house with because you're going to also, you're really good to scare each other. So they work in tandem. And so when people worry

or spend a lot of time ruminating about things, that is the cortex, trying to do something about the underlying feeling. that is physiologically occurring, right? So one of our jobs as therapists is to help pull apart these two things, who's scaring who, and what do we do about it? So, for example, if we can get enough space between the two and the amygdala is triggered and we can train the person to calm the amygdala,

and this is why we always talk about breathing, because when you breathe deeply, you're telling the amygdala you're okay. If you're not okay, you have to breathe fast because you've got to run away, or freeze or fight. and so that deep breathing basically tricks the amygdala into thinking that it's okay and it can calm down faster right that makes sense right yeah the problem is you people have really good imaginations and so that cortex is really good at making something freaky and then vice versa coming up with ridiculous explanations when the amygdala is triggered so here's the thing

normal life your amygdala should be triggered every once in a while you know what's amazing is we get in cars, they're like flipping death machines, but our amygdala's do not go off until we've been even a fender bender. And it's enough to say, well, whoa, whoa, dude, you have been sleeping on the job. This is actually really bad and terrifying. And this could kill you. So now we get in trouble because most of us aren't well practiced in how to manage the dance between our migdal and our cortex because we're just sucked into it.

We're just experiencing it. It just takes over, right? Yeah. Is that explain why there's so much road rage? like somebody getting pissed because someone cut them off. It's not just a weird anomaly of like, oh, I'm mad. Only now I'm mad. It's because he breached the contract, right?

It's like, oh, no, I'm now in danger. And before now this stretch of highway is no big deal. But now it's a terrible place because this guy did this. So I'm going to flip him off. And what you'd be amazed at, if we just had cars, except it took the cars away and it was just people and they would like run into each other and be mad or cut each other off, they would be less likely to be in fight mode and more likely to be in flee or freeze mode because they don't have a big ramming machine around them.

So it's kind of a safe place to be in fight mode. And so I think that's why it's more common than maybe fight mode would be in like a library. I think that's been one of the things about the pandemic that has been, I think fascinating to watch and terrifying and awful is just how many people can be in a activated state and go into fight mode in a public place about a mask or something, right?

Like, watching that happened more frequently than what we're used to does, it was like, whoa, that's not all right. We can do that in our cars. But it's because, you know, people are activated. Their amygdala's activated.

They had a cortex that's saying, none of this is even real. Stop it, trying to calm the, I mean, so the amygdala, let me say this about the cortex. It can activate the amygdala, and it also does a lot of, lot of work to try to calm it down, but it does it with things that sometimes aren't so

helpful. So people getting good at understanding this and calming their nervous systems and breathing through the amygdala response until it calms down without activating all the cortex stuff. This isn't easy to do and you're not going to do it on day one. So just saying that. Okay. So hopefully that gives you an overview of how these two things kind of work together and then read the email about the cockroaches.

Okay, here we go. By the way, my amygdala, if we could look at it, is just a flopping nightmare, little nightmare ball. It just isn't there going, rah, everything sucks. What are you doing? It's no longer shaped like an almond. Now it's like a walnut.

It's a mis-shaped. Shape like the handle of an airport toilet. Yes. There you go. As clean, too. All right. Moving on. Chris Pops and Recline in the chat wrote this.

My wife has a terrible fear of cockroaches and has traced its origin through therapy As a young girl, she was molested by a family member who was also their exterminator. We live in South Florida. Family friend, sorry, who is also their exterminator. We live in South Florida. So she still screams when she sees a leaf in the garage, sleeps in the car when we go camping, and never allows eating outside the kitchen. I can fill in details if needed, let me know, Chris.

So that's a pretty extreme case, right? But that explains it, though. What a weird way, like a, not weird, but what a weird, what an unusual way for it to channel itself, right? From the molestation then to the creature that the exterminator is focused on. Right. Right. And this is a perfect example. I could not have picked a better one.

We can all imagine that trauma that makes so much sense that there would be some. some really deep-seated fear and survival response that the amygdala would be incredibly activated. Like you're being harmed by this person in such an intense way and how do you protect from that? Well, what it associated with, and this is how it does these adjacent things, like maybe a monkey was nearby. And in this case, it picked the bug that the exterminator, it's related in her head. And she didn't choose that. just happens. And that's how the amygdala works or the whole protection system works is it will look around and memorize everything in order to never put you back in that space. So colors,

smells, time of year, you know, a measure of light, dark, light, you name it. And so when people have phobias, there's a couple things to always do is to check that there isn't something else going on and that it's this adjacent fear um some other trauma that has it's been associated because sometimes there's not sometimes there's just like the monkey screamed at the at the zoo one time and i hated it i hated how it made me feel and i just want to stay away from it okay so that's really important to explore and in this case you know she has figured out that's what it is um and so healing from that trauma and getting the help that she needs are all really important what's interesting is that she's done probably half the work

and then there's this other half or quarter left which is you know her amygdala is still afraid of a thing and it affects her life so look at how did you say at the end like she no one ever eats outside the kitchen yeah which is probably a good rule generally and anything that moves looks like it so any of these sudden movements or you know whatever um oh leaf in the garage bit is like if the leaf moves it's like oh no it's another

roach but really it's just a leaf that sort of thing right right yeah so that is the so anyone else sees a leaf move in a garage and doesn't think much about it or has a response like well I should probably make sure there isn't a mouse or something like you know you're you're not activated your cortex is working in the way it's intended to work to solve a problem um the problem was when your amygdala is activated and your or your cortex is freaking out getting your amygdala to activate it's not that you know when people just go i know it's not rational right that's because it isn't those things don't happen in a brain body that's in fight flight or fight mode i'm saying it wrong every time um in the three efforts anyway so take what we would do

with this is in both cases and this is where just hearing this is going to activate some people so if you all think about what it is you're afraid of or would not want to touch like fish and on purpose we do it so we've talked about exposure therapy before and that's kind of the basis of what I'm getting up is you expose yourself to the stimulus that creates the amygdala response so you put her head her head inside of an aquarium full of roaches that's what you're saying just go right for it go straight to the Eventually. Eventually. Eventually.

And you cannot do this on your own. So she would need to work with someone who works specifically with phobias and does this exposure therapy. And most people don't volunteer for this because if it's not really ruining their lives, then they may not ever do this. And they'll just stay afraid of a thing. And that's what they choose to do. And there is a reason exposure work. So let's walk through it. So let's say it's just looking at pictures of cockroaches.

that's how you would start. Yeah. Yeah. And the therapist would, you would be working on breathing deep. You would work on, you'd have some skills before you start this, by the way, physiologically getting your body to calm itself and to do that before full amygdala response occurs. So if you think of it like, I mean, you guys have been injured before and you've been in shock, right? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You can't stop shock. You can't go, okay, don't be in shock now. like it's not once it starts it's it's a process that has to complete itself and that's similar to fight flight or freeze it has to go through its five to 20 minutes or whatever in the amount of time your biology takes to get back to to normal and but you can prevent it from being activated so what you're training the person to do is to work with the amygdala before it activates then you would do the exposure and if it activates you still have

have all of these skills. You're just working with your body to keep it calm, working with the cortex to not run off on any stories. And so someone has to guide you. I don't recommend you do this on your own. And then the next exposure, so then you get through it and your body calms down. You're still, you still have a picture in front of you, usually. And then you can do more and more steps until eventually you can't stick your head inside a hissing cockroach chamber and you would be okay. So this is they, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, the long form. It's incredibly effective. What makes it difficult is compliance as people really, of course, everything in you says no, no, no, run away, run away. And if that ever happens,

what do we do? We listen and do it. We don't even have a choice most of the time. Right. But what we're doing is training the brain that this particular thing is not a threat, just like when we first discovered certain berries or we figured out we could do this thing, whatever humans have figured out like cars take cars for example we've all pretty much decided it's okay to be in one how well it's exposure and good experience and exposure and good experience yeah and that gets jeopardized when there's a bad experience it's like it's like online purchasing is the thing always reminds me of this people were so afraid of it in the early days and now it's just like an afterthought hacks still happen problems still arise but we're you know like cars we've come to a we've come

to an agreement you know right we've acclimated to it and that's exactly what this is. Now, the key being here that being afraid of monkeys is ruining your life or being afraid of cockroaches is ruining your relationships or your life. So sometimes you just have to get this stuff treated so you're more willing to go through the process. And I think I did mention this on the show about the research that's happening in Europe with they get you into that hyper, hyper aroused state. Your amygdala is on fire doing its job and then they inject a beta blocker into your system and what they're doing is they're doing exposure therapy in 24 hours all of it done with a chemical because that's what it is it's a chemical

it's stopping the chemical transfer of information between the migraine cortex i mean i'm maybe guessing that that's what's blocking i don't exactly know but i do know that it essentially changes the body's response it it sort of stops it in its tracks and calms the whole thing down and tells the brain like, you're fine. So with one exposure to this spider, this guy who is literally curled in a ball screaming, this is the same guy who saw a spider in his car

and then sold the car that day. That's how scared of spiders he is. They get him to the absolute crazy arousal state where he is losing his mind. He's only just in the room with a cage with a spider. And they shoot him up when he is, you know, at its peak, and then he sleeps one night, comes back the next day, can walk up to the thing and can put his hand in and hold a tarantula the next day.

And that's because they sped this whole thing up very quickly. And what I loved about his description, and I can find the link if you guys want to listen to it. But what I love about the description is he said, it's like I have a memory that I used to be afraid of spiders. Oh, weird. That's how it feels. It feels like way back in time. maybe that's interesting i'm supposed to be as scared of this but i'm not it's as if he forgot the

fear so that's exactly what you're doing with exposure therapy in a longer term is that you're training your brain the amygdala specifically to know that that's now a garage door it's okay yeah and maybe if a spider comes hauling at you and it's seven feet tall then it'll be like the cortex goes yeah it's not we should run you know yeah so we don't want to kill this system. This system is why we're alive. It's incredibly important. It's just sometimes it gets haywired and we need to. So the hardest thing about this, again, is moving towards your fear rather than away from it because moving away makes it worse and worse and worse because our brains are meant to think it's worse. And eventually it can sort of take over and that's when we get in real

trouble. Yeah, like I don't know why this is so enlightening to me, but I hadn't really considered that um you know that that that idea people always say well the best way to deal with something is to just head right into it like just go into the face it head on yeah i guess they when they say that it sounds extreme but when you say well you have there'll be a guide there for the first bit right and then you don't do it alone and you take in baby steps you don't just dip your head into the aquarium full of yeah which makes me think i could ride i could ride a ferris wheel again because right now i you'd be dragging me kicking and screaming again on a ferris wheel. I'm the worst. As soon as you get to the top and it stops, I want to die up there.

I don't know how, what's the baby step on a ferris wheel? You're either on it or not. Do you start with one of those ones in a kiddie land? It's maybe, you know, 30 feet tall or 20 feet tall or something. Yeah, maybe. And you'd have to get to, your therapist would make those decisions and they would go with you. They would ride in cars with you. They'd get on the ferris wheel with you or whatever. Like, there's that that that's the work they have to do um and sometimes it's you know the old adage like just throw them in the deep end like that's actually what this is and so sometimes getting right on one now you'd have work you've done beforehand so you don't just go on like teaching yourself to calm and and yeah and and breathing exercise and working through it rather than reassuring you're

like the therapist is not going to sit there and you're like it's fine this thing won't break because logic doesn't work to calm an amygdala that's the irony of the core vortex's attempt. And usually it just makes it worse, right? And so it, the really, the only answer is to calm your system. And that you have to have the wherewithal to think to do it and to do it. And it's not easy. We talked about this before you had expressed some excitement about the potential of VR in this space. Yeah. And people being able to realistically recreate, say, a Ferris wheel and a heights issue. And I do get heights issues in VR when the height is involved, that would be a better way maybe to ramp up, you know, work your way up.

Because you could, in theory, if somebody has a very specific Ferris wheel type thing, there's two aspects of that Ferris wheel thing that are a problem. It's heights, but it's also, we're going to stop you up there. And you're not going to be able to do anything or go anywhere when it's stopped. That's the worst. Yeah, I mean, for Tina, she also has a fear of Ferris wheels. but it's, we know exactly where it came from. Her brother as a kid at Eilich's, Eilich Gardens

an amusement park here in Colorado, when they were on the Ferris wheel and they were stopped as it's loading people on, he would rock the basket that they're sitting in so bad she thought she was going to fall out. And so it's the fear, it's not the fear of heights as much as it's the fear of, fear of falling out, the fear of being out of control.

Out of control, exactly. And so that therapist would have to get up there, and rock the thing. That's how treatment would work for her. Yeah. But she would have her reading exercises as they're doing that. Yeah. And there is some psychological knowing, like, the therapist isn't going to let me die.

Like my brother might have because he's a kid. But it doesn't matter because your amygdala is pretty sure of it anyway. So, so, but it has to be the level of the thing, right? So this, the monkey thing, you know, she might have to hang out monkeys. She might need to go to Borneo. Um, and the thing is, there's local monkeys that are a lot cheaper to this. Exactly. Well, she, this is something like she can kind of, she's still going to zoos, which is good. The part where you, you get worried is when you completely avoid things. So agoraphobia is

when you end up never leaving your house, right? You just, there's lots of things that have been fearful or whatever the specific thing. And then you stay home. Well, you have just quadrupled its power. And that's the key is to. get the brain to understand that it's okay and sometimes you have to do the exact thing that it's not okay with doing so so here's an example of a therapist um i was in a training recently and saw this and i was like okay i do not have fear of small spaces or suffocating or any of that i've been in those caves where rock literally is compel encasing me and i can still inch through like i don't have any of that, but just listening to him

describe what he did in this treatment, I was like, maybe I do. Which was this. He took a client who is so afraid of parking garages. She's just sure she's going to get crushed. And that suffocation and the small spaces and, you know, all of that.

And the treatment was, and of course, this is after working with her and getting her ready. So, of course, and this guy is world renowned. Let me just repeat. He took duct tape and taped her neck. tight. Oh, God.

Oh, my gosh. I know. I was like, okay, I don't trust anyone that much. I know. No, no. Let's get our hurt when you got to take it off. Holy crap. Yeah.

And what he said was, I mean, it was some kind of restrictive. I don't know if it was duct tape. Okay, so maybe not duct tape, but like, there was something around her that it didn't rip her neck off. But he restricts her breathing. She's not going to die, but he restricts her breathing. And, hey, haven't we all just discussed that breathing is the key to make you cold down? That's your techniques.

Yes. You have your non-breathing techniques now. And so he had to, you know, they built up to that. And he was being funny and telling about his worst nightmare came true when he went to get the tape off and he couldn't find the end of it. So he's figured out you've got to fold it over. Right. But that, but what happens is it cures her.

So or this other lady in the parking garage specifically, she would go into parking garages on her own, do it as homework. And this was like, it's like a two day therapy model. that they do all the training on one day, then they go home and they do all this attempts to freak themselves out, and then they come back the next day. So I could, I watched the video of her initial session and then her coming back. And what she did is she went to every parking garage she could find, would find the darkest corner in the middle of the parking garage and just walk into it

and stare and try to get herself to activate, try to get the amygdala to start. And what happens is it, it doesn't. If you're trying to get it to do it, it won't, usually, right? It's the cortex going, like, come on, I'm supposed to be scared here. The cortex knows that that's what you're trying to do. It's like, yeah, you're not going to fool me. I know you're doing this on purpose. So this is how we use the cortex to our advantage as opposed to what often happens with the cortex is it's like, are you sure you check the door?

Are you, you know, it's just trying to remember to make sure you're safe or remind you of things or freak you out or whatever. because it's just it works with the amygdala it's not it has the same agenda that you stay alive it's just trying to figure out a story to explain why that garage door is opening sure sure yeah i guess um to finish us out today i'm let me ask you about this one because this one feels like it's harder to break maybe it's a little bit more like this cockroach problem which has such a horrible uh yeah reason for existing source yeah and i don't want to compare this to that that's not why i'm bringing it up. So just no, I'm just trying to understand this. But when I was younger, junior high age, my brother Mark thought it would be real funny while a bunch of my friends were over at the house if I was wearing these cut off jeans shorts, because that's what mom did to give us shorts. We would cut our existing jeans down to shorts for them. That's the way it worked in the 80s. Anyway, I had this pair of jean shorts on and they were kind of, um, uh, had little like a hole or a tear in it or something in the back pocket.

and Mark thought it would be hilarious that in front of my friends, he grabbed that back pocket and just ripped those things to shreds. He thought that was going to be just the funniest freaking thing. And he did it. And I didn't know what to do. I was so embarrassed because now I'm just like, you know, Undy's boy laying on the floor while my friends are just sitting there going, and my brother's doing this mean thing to me. And so I just kind of curled up and laid there and was just really upset and mad at him.

I felt like for my entire life now, since then, if a button is off, or there's a tear in a pair of jeans, or I see a little bit of fraying on the edge of a shirt, I get way freaked out of, not freaked out about it, but I get like, oh, I got to replace that, got to fix that, can't wear this. Like, even if it's a button, it's like, well, you're going to, you're wearing the shirt open. You're not even going to button that shirt. Like, the shirt I could wear open. But if the button's gone, if there's a missing button, I won't wear it. It just makes me. feel and it's not because I give a crap as we all know I do not give a crap about fashion okay none I have no fashion care at all in me but this feeling of like that's a vulnerability that's been there and I hate it and it drives me nuts and I want to just you know sometimes I see mark I just like want to like rip a shirt off and expose a nipple or something I don't know like go full jack Jackson on what I've what I've learned then what I've learned then is that uh if you have have no fears. It's because you have no siblings. So only children like me, you know, Tina's

dick brother and Scott's dick brother. Totally. Hey, Brian, I don't have any fears and I have some dick brothers. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, shoot. I mean, did you, did you, did you never have any fears or did you like, did you have somebody you just work your way through? Wendy, are you afraid, are you afraid of a cold soldering iron is the question. Are you afraid of that? My cortex is amazing. No, uh, no, the soldering iron is a perfect example. I have the best cortex. The suttering iron where you pinned me down and I thought my forehead was going to be burned Is a great example of something I probably should be afraid of. I just am not. I don't know why. I think it's because I'm in the end you're like nice and you didn't try to hurt me. Yeah, it was all a joke. I have no idea. Yeah. Had I actually had I actually tried to burn you or had burned you. I mean, it'd be over. Yeah, they'd be over. We wouldn't be talking now. I don't know what our lives would be like but no. No. If you had. It burned me for Svid, have bangs forever.

Maybe that's why the thing with Mark makes me so mad because he really did do the thing. Like he did tear my pants off and have me look like an idiot in my underwear in my own house with my friends watching. And now I'm... For his own messed up reasons. Like, who needs to do that to somebody? It was just mean. It was just a mean thing to do. And in the case, you know, in the case of me, you know, any of your prank jokes you do on April 1st or all the dumb teasing I would do,

or my brother, Matt, chasing me through the house with chewed up pizza in a bag. Those are just silly, right? Like, they're kind of like, he's not going to make me eat his chew-up pizza. That's like totally the source. Yeah, that's pretty gross. That's why I have diverticulitis. Now, this is, but for me, I, yeah, I feel like it just made lots of things less threatening. Like, it actually was like exposure therapy or like just, I don't know.

No one can tease me. It takes so much to offend me. you have to, like, really try. I'm like, well, that's because I got a cold soldering iron pressed my forehead. I'm above being offended. I don't know. I don't know. And maybe I've just spinned it to think it's a strength and really should go to therapy.

But anyway, okay, so I've got to finish something with this, though. All right. So your, this is the answer. People, maybe we do it as a group project is if it's something like this, this is not ruining your life, but it bugs you. You can do exposure therapy on your own. with this level of thing, right? So it would look like on purpose

finding a shirt without a button, finding afraid something or whatever and elongating how long you can wear the thing and staying calm, like breathing. If you have to talk it through with Kim or something, do it. But just like try to go a day wearing a thing like that and just it's like reminding yourself like, I'm actually safe and good and it's fine.

and recognize your cortex wants you to also think because it's stupid that this is still bugging you after 40 years, right? It annoys me. And it's because it's not the cortex's deal. It's just trying to understand things. It's the amygdala's deal. So we just need to give it a minute to activate because you have a button missing and breathe through it and survive it and then do it again and do it again until you forget and that

it doesn't even matter. And what's weird is it's not like OCD or me going like I need. I need parity with my buttons or there's not a perfection here. Like if I buy a pair of jeans with a hole in them because that's the design of the jeans, that isn't a problem. That is an example of like that can go that direction easily. Someone can move it further or further. And that would be because of getting too upset or trying to control it.

Like we can make, we can make things worse. We absolutely can't. Sometimes it's just not even a choice. It's just really bad because the trauma was really bad. And our interpretations of the trauma. So everyone, P.S., has trauma. It's the interpretation and the amygdala's response to that trauma. Trauma with a big T, trauma, trauma with a little T.

Right? We got monkey trauma. Maybe that's a little T. The cockroach thing is clearly a big T trauma. Yeah. There is no better or worse. Our amygdala respond the way they respond. Yeah.

And sometimes they're a little spastic, a little ball of nightmares. Right. So let's be nice to. it, get it activated, tell it's okay, and then we'll see what happened. Well, Jen and the chat says, just have Kim repeat the process of removal. That should displace the fear. Yeah. We'll turn it into a, you know. She's not wrong. She's not wrong. If we want to go the harsh route, we'll get that therapist who duct tapes people's necks and have him give you a wedgey so hard that your pants rip, and you'd be fine. Yeah.

It'd be cured in one session. We always got a lot of wedgies growing up. Mark gave me what we called Melvins. He also would do that typewriter thing. Do you remember that thing? you did to me as well you yeah yeah look this is the point of the circle of life it ends getting passed down mark pin me down he pins you down so you can't move and then he knuckles your like where your chest your bone chest bone like your sternum is sternum yeah and he goes he really hard and it starts to really hurt and he goes say ding say ding say ding say ding say ding because the idea is he's type it's called typewriter so he's doing it and he go did did did did and then you finally say ding because you're desperate and then he'd slap your face

as if you like the carriage, the carriage of the typewriter. And then you go back to doing it again, tap it again. You're like, ding, dig, dig, ding, ding, to, ding, slap. Like, that's the, that's horrible, but it's kind of hilarious. Oh, it's the worst. And then Scott, like, all abused brothers have to then pass it on to the next. So he then did it to me. Yeah, I did it.

But I don't think you were ever as relentless or mean. No, no, no. And I never did it. I don't think I never did it to the Koreans for some reason. I don't know what that was about. I don't know. You don't know what that was. I don't know.

what that was. I didn't do that, but it is like, I do feel like sometimes I grew up in an 80s movie, an 80s comedy, and that these things feel like moments in some kind of, yeah, it's kind of like Chet, or, you know, just

any John Hughes kind of ideas, they just happen in real time for me, and I yeah, it's whatever. And I feel like the window's closed. I can't walk up to my brother who's now, what is Mark, 62? Yeah, pin him down. I'm going to pin him down and start pat on his chest like what is that even that's not even an idea i don't know feels like good therapy to me

thanksgiving you guys gonna see each other for thanksgiving because uh we need to see this no i don't think we will but anyway uh well windy as always good stuff i love that this was our Halloween week discussion because i don't know i just hey by the way i just had a memory my kids i have pinned them down and told them the story but i never did it to them i just said hey when i was a kid this is what we do yeah because we still have to have an outlet i think of it generationally like this is how you break the chain sorry i just have that memory like what have i done this i haven't actually done it oh no i just told my kids how lucky they are yeah that no one's done this i think i maybe i did the same i explained it to nick and nick would have been you know he

had been a fine target for this kind of a top theory peter would lose his ever living but i never did it so i but i wanted him to appreciate it that it was done to me yeah right yeah okay sorry Anyway, Halloween. And now none of them will do it to Van is the goal here. Nobody's going to pick Van down. Give them the type of. Every generation we get better. Every generation we get better.

That's right. So happy Halloween to you and yours. RealStops.org. They're not taking stuff right now. But you can go find out what's going on with that and be ready for the next round. Fine. You know, it's, you'd have to do it differently right now because they don't know what typewriters are. So it'd have to be, say, whoop, whoop, like you're sending a text. Say, say, say, whoop. I didn't think of that. Yeah. It is, it is quickly leaving, typing a tweet. The lexicon, right? You can't, typewriters aren't what they used to be.

Right. That's, there you go. Go. That's great. All right. We're done. Now, a quick programming note. couple things uh no show tomorrow brian's traveling i don't think that's going to sorry sorry it's my fault people my fault yeah no pm but but but but we're excited about your vermont trip it's you know everything is content we'll get some good stories out of it for sure yeah and uh excited for you to see your family so that'll be cool uh film sack is happening we recorded it last night it'll aaron uh went or saturday we'll put it up on the feed uh so we didn't skip that f jason great time oh man make sure you check it out uh

what was the other thing I was going to say to people oh our grand finale or our season finale for there will be dungeons is this weekend so make sure you check that out on Saturday 2 p.m. Mountain live it is our Delver season three big finale right before we take a little break and then we launch back into the waste campaign oh nice for long time listeners I'll know what that's all about so anyway that's that and then Brian and I during the month of November are going to take a week off. We're taking the week of Thanksgiving off. Okay, we're letting you know now, just a little early notice that TMS will not exist that week. Some other shows might... We normally take the Thanksgiving and Black Friday off, but we're just adding a couple days to that's fine. It's fine. It's fine.

We'll be fine. So that's a week off in November. We don't do that very often, so we're doing that. I think that's it. Do you have anything else? I guess Carverville today, 1 p.m., all that. Yeah, Carville Beastie Boys and Beasts coming up today on Coverville. That'll be one p.mountain time at twitch.tv.tv slash coverville. Nice. Patreon.com slash TMS, you guys. Please hop over there. It's almost the end of the month. Great time to hop in and get cool stuff. I just submitted art for the month, and I'm very happy with how it all turned out. If you would like to get art in the mail or other cool benefits, digital and daily and otherwise, patreon.com slash TMS. All right, Brian, let's get out of here. What do you got to play at the end of the show?

I have a request, Scott. Um, uh, is a little bit of a tougher one, but here we go. This one goes out to Jay, who says, after a tough year where I happily got pregnant with our second child, but then seven weeks down the line lost our baby through an ectopic pregnancy. To say it devastated us as an understatement, but then we made a decision to celebrate what would have been the date of our angel, the day that she was to be born, to get married and make it a day for smiles and laughter and not sadness. Lemons and a lemonade at a very grand scale right there. This is a sop your quest, but hey, I'm getting married to my best friend.

And while he's not perfect, Ouch, right there. He's pretty close to it. I mean, come on. You're supposed to say he's perfect, right? Sure. That's the rule. Well, no, he's not, but you've got to say he is.

The song request is perfect. A cover of the Ed Shearren song by Samantha Harvey. This is just a sweet little tune. And congratulations to you guys for figuring out a way to take a sad event and completely 180 degree it and turned into a happy one. So very cool. Here is Samantha Harvey and her song, Perfect. Awesome.

We'll see you guys soon. Have a great weekend. I found a love for me. Darling, just dive riding and follow my lead. Well, I found a girl. beautiful and sweet I never knew you were someone waiting for me

because we were just kids when we fell in love not knowing what it was I will not give you up this time darling just you Kiss me slow Your heart is all I own

And in your eyes You're home Baby I'm Dancing in the dark With you between my arms Bedfoot on the grass Listening

to our favorite song When you said you looked amiss I whispered underneath my breath But you heard it Darling you look Perfect tonight You look perfect tonight Well, I found a woman stronger than anyone I know.

She shares my dreams. I hope that someday I'll share her home. I found a love to carry more than just my secrets. To carry love, to carry love, to carry children of our own. We are still kids, but we're so in love, fighting against all us. I know we'll be your at this time, darling, just hold my hand, be my girl, I'll be your future, and I see my future. Baby, I'm dancing in the dark with you between my arms, barefoot on the grass, listening to her favorite song, when I saw you in the dress, looking so beautiful I don't deserve.

this you look perfect tonight i'm dancing in the dark with you between my arms bare foot on the grass listening to our favorite song i have faith in what i see now i know i have met an angel in In person, she looks perfect. I don't deserve this. You look perfect tonight. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Frog Pants Network. Get more shows like this at frogpants.com. Man, you guys are dumb.

Oh.