The Morning Stream - TMS 2216: Just Gurggle it

Episode Date: December 16, 2021

I Blame The Weenie Rockets! Talking Out Loud With Your Mouth. What’s Your Fury Road Anniversary? Hello God It’s Me, Hallmark. Brian’s Half Marble Guest Stars. Who Has The One Ball? How frequent ...is your REM sleep, Kenneth? Anyplicity, Starring Michael Keaton! I can’t say PENIS. Dave Bautista is your Holy Ghost. Hawkeye? No? Not Hawkeye? Pacific Theater Booster. Keep an eye on my straw. Ringing the Infantino Bell with Amy. Reccamentals and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:06 Go to bombus.com slash TMS to get 20% off your purchase. Coming up on TMS, I blame the weenie rockets. Talking out loud with your mouth. What's your Fury Road anniversary? Hello, God. It's me, Hallmark. Brian, Half Marble guest stars. Who has the one ball? How frequent is your REM sleep, Kenneth?
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Starting point is 00:02:20 Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, December 16th, 2021. I'm Scott Johnson. that guy right there on about a second and a half delay is Brian Ibit. That's right. Are you doing, Scott? I'm fine. We're going to sort of be here, be here slightly after you. It's almost like we're shouting over the mountains. Something weird happened yesterday because AWS went down right as we were going to record the show.
Starting point is 00:02:46 That's why there was no Wednesday episode of the show. Everything was ready. We were ready. Everything was good. But that didn't happen. And we thought, well, today everything will be all cleared up. But for some reason, audio delay is still there. and that was a symptom yesterday as well.
Starting point is 00:02:58 And we don't know why. It's not us. Our internets are good. We're full speed up and down. No idea. Yeah. So live with it. So I'm going to do a little reset after the show today, see if that fixes things.
Starting point is 00:03:10 But in the meantime, you've got us. And think of this as like a throwback episode to the early days of TMS. We were like figuring out Skype and. Yeah, 2011. Things weren't quite as easy as it is today. generally speaking. That's right. So, uh,
Starting point is 00:03:28 it's true. So yeah, hopefully it's not too bad, but we'll, we'll make it work. We are not missing another show. Gosh, dang it.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Nope. And we're not using Skype because Skype is crap. All right. Uh, Hey, we're back. So yesterday I was, I was actually held,
Starting point is 00:03:44 well, I'm holding this over from yesterday, but I had a, I had a little, uh, thing I wanted to mention about Tuesday's show that I totally forgot on Tuesday. And this is important stuff right here.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Okay. How I let this go, I don't know. Right? I mean, don't you feel like maybe, Maybe you missed. Don't you put these automatically in your calendar or something?
Starting point is 00:04:00 I really should. But here's what I forgot to mention on Tuesday. In chat room, I'm putting up the Mad Max thing early so you can see it. All right, there you go. Tuesday's show was episode 2215. In years, that would make it the 200th anniversary of Mad Max Fury Road. It's an important day for all of us to remember and to celebrate and to hold dear to our hearts. All right.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Hold it. Ready? Ready? Yeah. Quick. What's your wedding anniversary? Uh, 1999. Yeah. That's what I thought. September. I know what it is. September 29th, 1992. There you go.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Uh-huh. Hey, Claire, I'm going to boot you from the chat room for not liking my movie. That's how into it I am. Just kidding. That's not true. Anyway, happy 200th year to Mad Max Fury Road. Congratulations. You did great. You know how anniversaries work, right? anniversary means year, 200, 200th anniversary is still in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm making all that up, of course. I know, I know. But if I live that long and I won't, but if I did, you know, if I lived
Starting point is 00:05:08 another 100 and something years. Listen, if I talked about Spice Girls as much as you talked about Mad Max, I think I'd have five or at least four cease and desists right now. That's true. There'd be legal action. That's right. Posh probably wouldn't send a cease and desist. She doesn't care. but certainly the other four would. She doesn't care. She's got her little tattooed-up boy toy soccer man. She doesn't care. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:30 He's, you know, he's all she needs. She's all I'd need. I mean, I don't want to cast a Spursion's. You know, he's all right. Uh-huh. Except he's only got the one ball. No, that's somebody else. No, that's somebody else.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Who has the one ball? Who am I thinking of? Oh, Lance Armstrong. Yeah. David Beckham has both balls. Yeah. And he, and a star on the. soccer uh football football uh field oh that's right yeah the pitch the pitch yeah good job it's been
Starting point is 00:05:59 a while since we've seen the ted lasso episode so we're getting there uh good news is uh i was supposed to get my booster the other day here's the bad news uh i went in all right my daughter and my wife got it earlier in the day and they were already kind of feeling a little boy this one's hitting a little harder and uh so they had me scheduled it uh after the show on tuesday so i'm like sweet let's go get it let's get this done let's get this over with by tomorrow morning i'll feel fine uh whatever i go in and the doctor goes or the the pharmacist goes uh have you been sick at all recently and i went i don't want to answer this question but i did i'd do it honestly i said yeah sinus infection but pretty much gone now um you know we're good he goes oh are you uh did you
Starting point is 00:06:47 take antibiotics it says well yeah i am taking them like right now i'm on a 10-day thing and he goes, oh, how far into it are you? I said, oh, I'm like five days, halfway through. And he goes, hmm, like that, just like a, you know, that's never a sound you want anyone in the medical field to make, even if it's a pharmacist or a doctor or nurse or anybody. Yeah, it doesn't matter who. And he says, yeah, we recommend the standard procedure is we, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:16 we're going to not be able to do that today. I like how he's all of a sudden Lundberg from office space Yeah, we're going to go ahead And not give you a shot today It was like that It felt like I'm giving him my stapler or whatever And I went
Starting point is 00:07:35 Okay, what does that mean? He says well, the issue is We don't want to double team Your immune system You're already in full-blown battle mode over here We don't want to introduce a new front You know, you've already fight in Germany. We don't want to add Japan to the mix, basically.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Sure, yeah. So now we got Pacific, we got Pacific theater to work about. And he said, you know, it's smart. It's, they're looking out for you. Who knows what kind of side effects you might run into or issues with crossing the streams, so to speak. That's the second time I've used that today and a whole different reason I've used it. Yeah, that's fine. Two different contexts.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Works for me. really good. Yep. Yeah, so I said, okay, fine. And the best they could do was a reschedule. And I said, well, when's the soon as you can get me in? And they said, how's the 30th? I'm like, dude, really? Well, it's busy. There's a lot of this and that. Fine. Okay, lock me in for the 30th. I'll brave Christmas without it. Whatever, it's fine. Yeah. So they do that. But then yesterday, my sister-in-law, Sarah comes by the house and there to pick up something, Kim lending or something. And she comes in and she's like, yeah, I just got back from my booster. And I go, how far ahead did you schedule it oh i called this morning and they got me in in two hours same place but
Starting point is 00:08:53 not the same same place same place right up oh no wait really oh well he probably needed to go sometime out for yours oh i don't know that's weird i know i was annoyed so here's what i'm going to do as soon as i'm at the very tail end of this antibiotic run yeah a couple of more it was it this weekend i guess i will say i'm gonna call them and go hey uh i need to go get a booster and just see if I can't get the same sweet little shuffle in that she got. Maybe there's a cancellation. That's why she got it. A little opening the velvet rope and saying, all right, you two, come on in.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Yeah, get in here, you, you dumbass, they'll say. Yeah. So anyway, I'm not boosted, but my wife and daughter, oh man, that leveled them. They had a rough one, rough one. Oh, really? Yeah. Carter got to the point where she told, well, she told me this after, because by morning she was fine, but that night she's like, I was so bad in the middle of the night, dad.
Starting point is 00:09:48 I almost came to get you guys to, like, decide if I should go to the hospital or something. It was so bad. And I, like, I said, well, I'm glad you didn't because that would have been weird. And she says, you know, I know. But in the throes of it, she was just really, it was like shivers and couldn't move. And she hurt really bad. It's bad. But they're both good now.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Super boosted. They can get signals from way further away. They can go way up the mountains. Their Wi-Fi is improved. There's their 5G. Yeah. Uh, so, um, we've got family coming into town because of, uh, uh, uh, Tina's father passing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:23 And, um, one of, uh, one of Tina's relatives arrived at the door. Um, and because we're still being safe and because we were in, um, um, Jim's room for a long time, we're still wearing masks. I haven't left the house in, well, since I came back from, uh, Tina's parents' house a couple days ago. And we're taking our test today to see if we've got the chaff. You got the chaff, oh no. But what if Tina's relatives arrives and sees her in her mask and says, masks, are those still a thing out here? Oh, geez. Like, where's she coming from?
Starting point is 00:11:04 Where's she coming from? They're coming from Kansas City, Missouri. Ah, Kansas City. Which, as far as I know, still has a pandemic going on. Yeah, that's where the Fargo, Kansas City mob is from. I've seen enough Fargo to know there's nothing but trouble in Kansas City. All trouble up there. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Yes, the Kansas City mob. So, geez Louise. Wow. That's a fun thing to hear the first thing you hear at the door. Especially, you know, and it's such a thing to say, considering what's happened recently with Tina's dad, you know, with the relative. It's like maybe now's not a good time to, you know, to act like COVID's not a thing. I don't know. Did they not know, did they know, they know that his,
Starting point is 00:11:48 they know that his, his, uh, his, uh, his six month, uh, prognosis turned into a few hours because of COVID and yet they still, still say that. That's lame. Lame. Yeah. I mean, no offense, but here's what I say. No, it's lame. It's absolutely lame.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Here's what I say to them. I do it. Here's the Tina voice version of that. Yeah. There you go. Uh, yeah. That was, that was the sound of Tina biting her tongue and not, and not. letting into them. There'll be a lot of that probably in the next couple of days for you guys.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Yes, exactly. All right. Well, hey, here's another quick moment I wanted to share. I got something in the mail. Thankfully, mail's been real bad lately. I don't know what's going on. Well, I do know what's going on. Our mail system kind of sucks right now, please. It does, yes. Yeah, I know, you know, I'd said something to you, and we weren't sure when it was getting to you until today, licking it up. But I know that there are other things that I've sent to people. And I also paid priority mail prices, and they still haven't made it. haven't got them yeah it's bad i don't even know what priority mail is anymore what priority means yeah it's just priority means uh will will delay it slightly less than non priority yeah what do you get when you combine a bad a currently bad mail system with some kind of lousy leadership in front in charge of the of the postal system and then combine that with just regular old christmas and weather
Starting point is 00:13:09 delays yeah it's no it's bad it's bad it is bad yeah there's nothing good but i did get something that I am so stoked about. This was from my Secret Santa. They've already said it's okay for me to bring this up and say who it was. Guacmar was my secret Santa this year. Oh, cool. And I got in the mail this little box. It wasn't huge or anything.
Starting point is 00:13:30 I thought, well, what the heck do we have here? What will this be? What do you get the guy who only cares about five different things and what do you do? Right? Yeah, exactly. I know. You're tough to shop for it. I'm not the easiest to shop for.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Neither are you, by the way, for the record. It's hard to show for it, too. Well, I'm tough to shop for it because I have everything. Yeah. And it's all behind me. You and I have this problem all year. If we see a thing we really want, we'll... Yes.
Starting point is 00:14:01 We're not going... Yeah, we don't put it on a list and say, hey, remember my birthday in July. We just get it. Or we don't, and someone else doesn't know because we don't tell anybody. Like, it's a weird thing. We kind of live in a bubble. But anyway, I get this in the mail. look what i got check this out let's see let's see i'm going to be jelly oh look at that the original
Starting point is 00:14:20 in great condition by the way that's a real one that isn't just like a handmade sticker business nope this is real a mad the mad max uh technically it's two because that's that's road warrior imagery there it is road warrior but it's the mad max game for the nes uh came out in 85 wow and uh what didn't even send the sleeve with it. No, no instruction manual, mint and box. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:14:50 I know, right. No, this is maybe so, well, so far this year, it's my favorite thing I've gotten. I love this. I always wanted a copy of this. I never played the game back in the day. I doubt I'll plug this into
Starting point is 00:15:02 any working in the S now. Do you have a... I have a mini. That's it. I have nothing with a cartridge for it. I was just to say, we both got minis and you can't put anything into the mini.
Starting point is 00:15:12 No, I could buy one of those Chinese, I don't know if they're Chinese, but the Famicom. Yeah, they got like a play every cartridge deal you can buy on Amazon. It'll plug in Genesis cartridges and NES, Super NES, all that. I might do that, but I love this. This is my kind of gift. Like, I will hang this up somewhere is how I'll do it. I know.
Starting point is 00:15:33 What you need to do is go to like a container store or one of those places, get a shadow box frame. Yeah. And have it mounted slightly above so it's kind of hovering. Put some sand in the box. bottom of it. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Why don't I do that? I should do that. I have a bunch of NES cartridges right there. Do you? That I could show you. Do you have a, you don't have a hold of plug into? Yeah, let's see. Just no NES to stick him in, I guess. Or working NES. I have my old controllers, but no NES.
Starting point is 00:16:04 These, uh, these we found in my mom's house. And wait until you see what's in here. All right. We're looking. We're looking. By the way, these do have sleeves and instruction manuals. Oh, my lord. We have NES golf. Oh, I had that. Okay. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:16:23 We have pipe dream. Oh, I hated that game. I played it so much of that. Yeah. We have a little Russian thing called Tetris. Oh, yeah. With an instruction manual explaining how to play Tetris. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:36 I just did the Angry Birds theme in my head. I know that's not right, but they said it. De-l-l-Dit-D-D-L-D-D-L-D-T-Trus, because there was so much to improve upon with Tetris. Yeah, you had to make the shapes fall more. Check this. Check this baby out right here. All right. What do we got? Oh, original Metroid. Oh, man. Original Metroid. That's a keeper.
Starting point is 00:17:00 That's amazing. The recipes might go on eBay, but then we've got probably the pack-in game. Oh, yeah. That would have been Duck Hunt. Mario, yep. Total pack-in. eventually, I guess. Later, later versions of the model. Dr. Mario. Yeah. I like the Dr. Mario music, but I can't think of it right now. Did it, did. Super Mario 2.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Yeah, with the pulling up the stuff and hucking them at Berto. That's a good game. Fuddley. Yoshi. These are actually some decent games, so. Yeah. I thought Yoshi showed up. Didn't Yoshi show up in Super NES, Super Mario World First? and then that came later on that.
Starting point is 00:17:42 I think that's correct. Yeah, I think the first time I remember seeing Yoshi was in Super Mario World. That's amazing. Well, this one, I don't know if I'd have to blow on it or not. That's always the old, you know, the old thing we're going to blow on it. But I would love to see this thing actually play. So we'll see. But Guakmar, you're the best.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I love this. That's so cool, Guakmar. Love it. I love it, I love it. I'll be keeping an eye out for my secret send who will be sending me the spice world nes game anytime now did that that was a thing no definitely not a thing oh my gosh i about lost it there for a second i think i think those those two things missed each other by about 10 years probably i don't know wow well um i can give you guys a tiny little bit of a hint that i'll
Starting point is 00:18:27 be talking about more next week but if all this retro game stuff has you i don't know if any of you're hearing that going oh man that's my jam i love the old stuff have i got good news for you And that's all I'll say for right now. Oh. Yeah, I'll just hold back on the rest. Are you adding a new marble to your straw? What if I'm removing a straw and putting a marble in its place? What if that's happening?
Starting point is 00:18:51 I don't know what the heck that means because don't you just, you can only have one straw. You only have one life. Yeah, but you have more marbles, right? So you say, okay, so let's say you got a straw full of marbles and and marbles. And end marbles, yes. I'm putting one marble in and one of the other marbles is falling out. Oh, okay. Well, yeah. That's what I thought. Okay. You acted like you're going to have a whole extra straw. No, no, no, no. Unless you're Michael Keaton in duplicity or multiplicity, I don't think that's happening.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Yeah, only two Michael Keaton's allowed in duplicity. That's all you get there. Or any plicity. Yeah, any plicity, you get just the one or the two. Anyway, so, yeah, Rockmar, you're the man. You made my day. Thank you for that. That was awesome. Merry Christmas. Darth Swifty, confirms there was a Spice World PlayStation 1 game. Now, that I knew. That I knew about it. I knew there was some Spice World or Spice Girls thing. I didn't know what it was.
Starting point is 00:19:48 I mean, there had to be, right? Yeah. That was the era, man. That was the time. That was the big stuff. How sad. I have nothing to play that on. J.K. Grammer, you sent me something.
Starting point is 00:19:58 What is this? Here's the complete playthrough of Mad Max on Ness. Ooh, I'll watch that later. Oh, there you go. Yeah, I want to see how that game plays. to, uh, oh, yeah, this is the game. I see, I remember this. I just didn't own it.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Oh. Also, technically the release date was 1990, but this cartridge says 85 on the back. So my guess is the cartridge casing was manufactured in 85, and then this game was put in and sold in 90. Yeah, there it is. Oh, man. I want to play it. It's probably not good, by the way, for the record. It's probably a bad game?
Starting point is 00:20:35 No, probably Indiana Jones' Atari 2,600 level or not even that. E.T. Atari 2,600. I kind of liked Indiana Jones Raiders Lost Ark on the Atari 2600. Do you remember the Temple of Dune Game in the arcades? That was all right, too. Yes. Every time you take out one of the thuggy guards, if this discussion excite you, keep an eye on things.
Starting point is 00:21:02 Keep an eye on my straw, okay? because my straw is about to poop a marble. All right. Just letting you know I have half a marvel available if you ever need it. You got half a marble? That's right. That's just a, what would that do? That would lay flat or it would swivel.
Starting point is 00:21:18 That's like a guest star or guest marble is what it is. Oh, a guest marble. Oh, a marble of guesting. I got it. All right. No, I'm kidding. I've never, I never. You never have a marble.
Starting point is 00:21:31 By myself to anybody else's party. You always full marble is what you do. I always go full marble. Unlike David Beckham, who we now learn does not have either of them because Victoria has them both. Yeah, she has all the marbles. You know, we'd better get to our first guest. Yeah, we're going to get a guest in here. I think that's a great idea, and we're going to play this to get it kicked off right.
Starting point is 00:21:55 Where is it? I made a new one, and now it is here. That sounds can only mean one. thing. It's time for us to welcome our friend Red Fraggle, aka Amy, do the show for a little read this. Hi, Amy. How are you? Hello. We can hear you. Yeah, we can totally
Starting point is 00:22:14 hear you. How the heck are you? Are you doing well? Are you feeling it? Yeah, I am. We're all set for the holidays. I made everybody stockings this year. Oh, so I got those good. Oh, yeah, I saw your, I saw TikTok of some of that. That looked great.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Yeah, my son. and wanted a Deadpool one, so I made like a little, little Deadpool face and put it on a little red side. Yeah, I thought it turned out. I hope you put Chimichanga's in there for Christmas. There's a stuffed unicorn. Oh, nice. Oh, is there? Nice. Perfect.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Close enough. Some little baby legs. Yeah. It's the comic version of the Chimichanga. Anyway, it's good to have you here. Of course, this is our second version of this with you, although last week's was on a PM edition, but this is your regular time slot now. How does that feel to you? all right about today? Yeah, pretty good. I'm excited. I'm excited. Everything seemed to work
Starting point is 00:23:07 despite technical issues for last week and, of course, yesterday. Yeah, our dry run last week was tricky, but today you sound great. You sound like you're in the room with us. That's all that matters. So we're going to dive right in. Of course, this segment's all about recommending books. And sometimes, you know, we'll get into a whole genre discussion, but I have no idea what you're bringing today. So tell us what you got flying. What's going on? All right. So, yeah, I've turned on my video here so you can share that if you want to. But I'm really, really excited to tell you guys about this book. So the way I know about this book is really an interesting and fun story.
Starting point is 00:23:48 But go ahead. The name of the book is the Wakeful Wanderers Guide to New England and Beyond by Jim Infantino. Oh, I've never heard of this. If the name Jim Infantino rings any bells, it might be for. a couple of reasons. One, Jim is the lead singer of the band Jim's Big Eagle, who did songs like Stress and The Ballad of Barry Allen. Those are Jim. Also, fans of the TV show, The Flash, might remember around season three, there was an episode called Infantino Street. Yeah. Wait, is the Ballad of Barry Allen about Barry Allen the Flash?
Starting point is 00:24:32 Yes. It is? Yeah, we've even played that. We lost Amy. But yeah, no, he's, they're big into kind of the pop culture, comic book, kind of related songs. That's great. I've no idea that they're right. I want to say we've even played that one on the show as part of something.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Oh, we might have. Way back in the day. Yeah, way back. Amy, you still there? Do we have you back, Amy? Am I back here? Yeah, you're back. You're good.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Literally Discord just kicked me out. Yeah, so, hey, we're going to this week. in the internet. Yeah. It just all of a sudden, just boom, it was gone. And I was like, what? Straight up, I blame Amazon. It's their fault.
Starting point is 00:25:12 It's Bezos. It's Bezos and his damn weeny rockets. Yeah, exactly. His weenie rocket. I mean, we've talked about it's shaped like a penis all the time, but no one's ever said weenie rocket to me. That's great. That's great.
Starting point is 00:25:25 I did that because Amy is on and I didn't want to say the word penis. Yeah, no, I get you. She's like a sister to us. We can't say penis to our sister. say that in front of me, that word. Anyway, sorry. Well done, Brian, well done. So we, while you were gone, Brian,
Starting point is 00:25:38 Brian confirmed. No, you can say penis all you want. Say penis all day. Brian confirmed that the Barry Allen in reference here was, was in fact the Flash, which I did not know. That's kind of cool. So that's where we were while you were gone. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:52 So Jim is actually the nephew of Carmine Infantino, who originally was one of the original artists who drew the Flash. And I had a great run with Marvel doing the Star Wars comic book. Like I, for a long time, like 80 issues or something, Carmen Infantino was the man, was the artist. That's pretty cool. Why those names aren't ringing a bell to me? I don't know. I usually know a lot about that old stuff, but this one's not ringing for me.
Starting point is 00:26:19 I don't know why. Well, it will now. Okay. Now you'll remember it. Yeah. So anyway, Jim is mainly, I know him from. his singer-songwriter stuff and you know because I really enjoy all of Jim's Big Ego and all of his music and he started doing a thing towards the beginning of the pandemic where he was doing sort of
Starting point is 00:26:42 these he calls them his solo and isolation concerts where he was basically just him um hanging out in his office you know by himself and his guitar and it was great and there you know we had a little it was like this you know we had a little chat room and whatnot and then he started started doing kind of a little Zoom after party with those. And my husband's a huge fan. And so he was all excited, like, oh, should we, should we do it? Should we join the Zoom after party? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Yeah. So that's Carmine. Okay. That's Uncle Carmine. And so, anyway, so we joined the Zoom. And then basically we became friends with this guy who we've kind of thought of as a rock star for several years, which was pretty cool. And then it turns out he was writing a book. And it's now turned into a series of books and it's speculative fiction. He calls it a post-apocalyptic
Starting point is 00:27:42 cyber hippie travelogue. Oh. You kind of had me at all that, all of that. That all sounds great. So it's a really interesting look at what would happen if, you know, a combination of climate change and economic collapse just completely turned our society inside out and it was it's it's really really interesting because you've got these two different factions of people um there's like the traditionalists who are sort of refusing uh technology and they're refusing anything you know sort of medically new um might sound kind of appropriate for this period of time time. Sure. And then there are the interconnected, and the interconnected have completely issued all sorts of traditional economics, and everything is based on, like, imagine a world
Starting point is 00:28:43 where the number of likes you get on Twitter is actually, like, determines how well you live. Oh. There's no, there's no money, there's no economics. It's all based on how well liked you are. That seemed like the... The Black Mirror thing. Yeah, Black Mirror episode reminds me of that a little bit. Right? Wasn't that the deal? Yeah, with Howard.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Ron Howard's daughter with three names. Oh, Bryce Dallas Howard. Bryce Dallas Howard. Yeah. She had that had that same kind of thing. She went everywhere with a phone device thing and they would always... Your social status was determined by your number of stars on your profile. Yeah, that's nice and dystopic.
Starting point is 00:29:23 I like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's really, really interesting. And this, it even goes a step further because most people who are interconnected, they kind of communicate telepathically. And so a lot of people literally don't talk anymore. And it's sort of a giveaway if you, you know, if you talk out loud, you know, with your mouth. So it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:29:50 It's sort of like now where you can kind of tell, you know, if you go out in a public space, the people who are not wearing masks. you know um whereas you know with in in this world if people are talking out loud it's it's a bit of a giveaway so but it's really really interesting and it's it talks about like if you follow this one guy who literally he just he doesn't live anywhere he just sort of wanders around and he has his little blog that people follow and he he wanders around to the different tribes and sort of documents, you know, what all their customs are like and everything. And then there's a whole story with this woman named Helen, and it all gets really, really fun and interesting.
Starting point is 00:30:36 And it's a bit, in the beginning, it's a bit like lost where you're like, what the heck is going on here? What's the full name of the book again? Just so I'm going to show it up on the chat here. It is the wakeful wanderer's guide, the new New England and beyond. first guide the new new england and beyond that's a big title yes yeah so the series is just the wakeful wanders guys Fiona apple write that title yeah it's very Fiona apple that's funny the second one the second book in the series is called the wakeful wonderers guide to disillusionment
Starting point is 00:31:11 so and then there's there's actually going to be a third one where i'm really excited about the third book he he's writing it now because um he's putting in a a character who has narcolepsy because, you know, all the characters, they interconnected people have these interesting, you know, mental implants. And so he sort of goes into, okay, well, how would somebody who has a neurological condition handle having some of these implants? Yeah. And so he consulted with me about what it's like to have narcolepsy. I forgot you had that. So can I ask you a question about that? I hope it's not too personal to ask you this. Yeah, no, of course. Yeah, go ahead. So I've never, excuse me, I've never known anybody with narcolepsy, although we did have a neighbor who I just didn't know, but there was somebody who fell asleep at the wheel of a car.
Starting point is 00:31:59 And it was their first instance of the condition. Oh, geez. It's a horrible time to discover you've got it. No kidding. And they slammed into a tree. They're okay. Everything's good, but the car got all banged up. And then from then on, they couldn't, I think they couldn't even get a license or whatever.
Starting point is 00:32:13 So my question is, is that true? Like, can you not, do they not let you drive if you have a clinical case of narcolepsy? Well, so it depends. In my case, I can drive. I'm fine. But, you know, you have to go and see a neurologist and you have to be, I literally have to go see my neurologist, even though my case of narcolepsy is fairly mild. I have to go see him every six months to a year for that reason, because he's like, look, you know, you're my patient. And so if something happened and you were in an accident, I could be responsible for that. so I have to go in and check in with him but mine is very mild there's actually and Talia could actually probably speak on those pretty well
Starting point is 00:32:58 because it's a neurology thing but there's like three different things that that three different symptoms of narcolepsy that show up one is like excessive sleepiness and so it's not really like it is in the movies where you just all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:33:14 snap of a finger you're asleep right yeah like but part of it is a thing called cataplexy where cataplexy is almost like the reverse of a seizure it's just like all of a sudden your muscles just all collapse like you just have no you just have no muscle tone and you just is it like a like a like a real it's probably not a relaxing feeling it's probably kind of scary well yeah if you're awake certainly because like what cataplexy is typically for is sleep paralysis so you know how like you know people who have synambulism, you know, i.e. sleep blockers, they have the opposite of this where they don't
Starting point is 00:33:55 have enough sleep paralysis to keep them in bed. And so that's what it is. It's like the opposite of that where you have too much of it. And so even when you're awake, you can just fall over. I don't have that part, which is what makes it not dangerous for me to drive. No, kidding. Have you ever had anything where you were like in the middle of something like talking or in front of people or anything where you're just like, okay, here we go, and then just like fell into some sort of, you know, version of what you're talking about? Is that, is that it happened to you? Thankfully not when I'm in front of people and talking to people, although I have to admit, I was a little bit tempted to just go, you know, when we started.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Can you pretend like, if you're really boring meeting, you can be like, oh no, my narcolepsy. Oh, no, this is bad. I better go. I better leave. Yeah, I get it. Boring meeting, absolutely. Absolutely. I have absolutely, like, openly slept in the middle of a meeting, like, no lie. Did you leave home that day with, like, hand-drawn eyeballs on your eyelids just in case something goes weird? Well, there was some video taken of me, which was kind of fun. Oh, no. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:35:01 But, yeah, so they actually, when you first think, okay, well, maybe there's something, you know, I'm sleeping a lot and there's, maybe there's something wrong with me. One of the things they have you take is the Eppsworth sleepiness scale. And it's like 17 or so questions about, like, I'm. how likely you are in a, in a given scenario to fall asleep. And it gives you like a whole bunch of different ones, like driving a car, or if you're a passenger in a car, or if you're in a meeting, or watching a movie, or reading a book, you know, all these different, and they're all, you know, varying in scale. The 17 questions, I think I'd be asleep by question 13 or 14.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Well, right, yeah. That's the real test, right? It doesn't have anything to do with how you answer. It's how far you make it through the 17 questions. Do you ever, so since you're an avid reader, that's one of the questions. Like, does reading put you there? Or does it, or do you feel like, I don't know, do you feel like that's the one case for a lot of?
Starting point is 00:35:55 That is, that is one reason why I read so much is because it actually does turn my brain off enough to where I can get good sleep at night. Because a lot of the, the flip side of narcolepsy is that it's really about the quality of sleep that you get at night more than it, more than it is just sleeping all the time during the day. So the thing with a narcoleptic is literally I could go to bed right now and fall asleep, no problem. It's not about the amount. I can get all the sleep I want.
Starting point is 00:36:24 I'm still going to be tired. And it's because of the quality of sleep that I'm getting, narcoleptics tend to spend too much time in REM sleep. Oh. So, yeah, so we don't get enough of like the deep restorative sleep. And so that's why we're tired all the time. Yeah. Sleep's weird, man. Sleep doesn't.
Starting point is 00:36:45 So weird. Like, the science on it is getting, obviously we know more and more these days than we used to know. But, you know, back when I was young, it was like, ah, seven hours is too much. Get up. You have lazy, whatever. And then, you know, oh, I slept like crap last night. Nobody really thought more about it than that. But it's like deep.
Starting point is 00:37:03 It's like, you know, you need it. Your body's got this crazy cycle where if you're not getting like good, like you said, restorative sleep, you're kind of screwed. No matter which end you're on. Like, whether you're on your end of too much REM or like, you're. me not enough you know it's just it's bad for you so yep yep that's why sleep hygiene is important and so thus i became an avid reader because it's way better to read a book before you go to bed than it is to be looking at our little handheld screens all the time i'll bet yeah what's what's the frequency of being in r em sleep yeah ask kenneth yeah he's the only one that knows um all right
Starting point is 00:37:40 well uh sorry we took you on a little off road there that's interesting yeah oh no it's okay I was, I was cracking up because I was like, suddenly I'm, I'm doing Bobby's segment, I guess. Well, you know what's interesting about what you've described about the book, though, is everybody's kind of got their little idiosyncratic conditions or whatever. That reminds me of this season or this, this first and only season of Hawkeye, there's a main character who's deaf. I won't get much else away, but I really like how they deal with it. Like, it's not, it's not just a throwaway like, oh, she's deaf. That means she's got a weakness or whatever. Like, she uses it to her strength and it's like this crazy.
Starting point is 00:38:22 It's very cool. Like, I really like how they've done that. And I like stories like that where books, authors or writers aren't afraid to approach that stuff in a different kind of narrative way. I don't know. It sounds like that's what's going on here. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And in fact, Jim kind of addresses some of that because some people who, like, with physical disabilities,
Starting point is 00:38:43 as far as things like that, like blindness, deafness, are actually kind of, quote, unquote, cured by the implants, especially, you know, deafness is kind of not an issue as much when nobody's talking anymore. Everybody's communicating telepathically. But also people, like, with, you know, autism to the point of being nonverbal, suddenly can participate much more in a society like this.
Starting point is 00:39:11 And so it's really very, very, interesting like um you know kind of looking at you know how how this how how how something like this and our our intimate relationship with technology can change our relationships to each other um it's a it's a really i honestly it's a really great book and i'm i'm excited for the third one to come out so it's a it's a really good series totally recommend and scott i definitely think you would like it because you know it's post apocalyptic so yeah you know i like those that's for sure yeah uh again that book is called. I have it right here because I wrote it down and then I skipped
Starting point is 00:39:46 a head and I'm an idiot. Where did it go? Repeat the name of the thing for us, will you please? It is the Wakeful Wanderers Guide. There it is. Go get it now. Available wherever you get your books, including, it looks like it to be good on my Kindle paper white. Yep, it is available on Kindle. Also, you can go to, you can go to Jim's website and get it directly from him. I think it's like Wakeful Wanderers.com. I'll put that in the chat. Because I want to make sure I've got the right website there. Sorry, I should have looked that up before. No, it's all good.
Starting point is 00:40:19 Looks like it's just, it might be just Jiminfantino.com. I don't know, I'm not sure. But if you do a quick Google, Google search, gurgle search, look on gurgle. A gurgle search. Shorgle.org. No, Google it, and you'll find about 100 results. Or in my case, duck, duck go it, and you'll find it. Well, very cool.
Starting point is 00:40:36 I love this segment. I think it's great. It's a cerebral, hey, reading books is still cool, man kind of deal. And I like it. But I hope it doesn't put you to sleep ever while we're talking. That would be a bummer. Oh, no, no, no. Never, never, never fall asleep with you guys.
Starting point is 00:40:50 Hopefully never bore you on here. Tell people where they can find more of Amy these days. Where can they go? Yes. So you can follow me on Twitter. I'm Amy Robinson, VO on Twitter. I'm also, you know, in all the frog pants discord chats and all that stuff. And on TikTok as Red Fraggle 3.
Starting point is 00:41:10 And I'm about to start a new series. I think I'm probably going to start it at the beginning of the year where with me and a puppet doing Chuck says weird stuff. I remember you're talking about that before. It's awesome. Yeah, I want to, you should have a narcoleptic puppet story. That's what you should do. Oh, that would be great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:28 That's a great idea. Yeah, and then it would be educational. Like the puppet falls asleep. Yeah. Have them fall asleep at the wheel and wrap his Volkswagen around a tree. I think it would be great. Amy, have a fantastic week. And we'll see you, I guess, next week.
Starting point is 00:41:42 We still have a show next week, right, Thursday? We do. As far as I know, yeah. The Christmas Eve Eve. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do. We'll see. I look forward to it. Totally up for a show next week.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Awesome. Yeah. All right, everybody. It's Amy. We'll see you later. Take care. Thank. I really like this segment.
Starting point is 00:41:57 I do too. It's a great addition. She's delightful is why. She is. Yeah. You know, she could talk about anything and it would be absolutely delightful. So, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:09 Chat where my notes. It's a little insensitive about the car thing, that was a callback to the earlier discussion about cars and trees. Okay, everyone calmed down. All right, that's the read this segment. Very cool. We love it.
Starting point is 00:42:20 All right, let's get to some news stuff this week. Here you go. And dance by the light of the moon. It's your Thursday news, and it's brought to you by. Brought to you by Ian Levinstein. Here is what he says for the past few years. I've been a co-host of one of the longest running comic book podcasts on the internet, Comic Geek Speak.
Starting point is 00:42:40 You can find us at comicgeekspeak.com and on YouTube at YouTube.com slash comic geekspeak. Go check it out today. Nice. Always can go for more comic stuff. Very cool. Heck yeah. Heck yeah. Heck yeah. The heck do you mean.
Starting point is 00:42:54 All right, check it out. It's my deal, Wade. Here's your first headline of the week or the day. Death metal band Omicron won't change its name. Good. Yeah, I say, lean into it. Yeah. Stay where you're at.
Starting point is 00:43:07 We didn't change it for TMS when the morning show came. out on Apple TV Plus. Right. Yeah, but that's not a virus. No, it's not. Well, no. That's not killing people. But, I mean, Delta Airlines didn't change it.
Starting point is 00:43:22 There's a Greek diner somewhere out there. I saw the post about a bike camera where it was called Omicron Diner, and they're not changing it either. They're not going to go back and change all those Futurama episodes to be from something else, Percy I-8. It's always going to be Omicron. Did you copy that audio that got sent to us yesterday? my chance? No. I'm giving
Starting point is 00:43:42 you a link right now. This is great. I'm putting it in our Discord chat. Click that. Okay. I'm clicking it. Oh. Okay. How to pronounce Omicron, the Star Trek way it says. So here's the, clicking it. Here we go. Let me unmute that.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Turn up the volume. How to pronounce Omicron. Omicron. Amicron. Omicron. Omicron. Omicron. Omicron. Omicron. Omicron. Omicron. Omicron. Omicron. Omicrom. Omicrom. Omicrom. Omicrom. Ommercron. Ommercron. Ommercron. Omicron, Amicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron, Omicron. But they did it both in two ways. Yes, you hear, Omicron and Omicron. Okay, that's great. What an awesome.
Starting point is 00:44:31 Is that great? I don't know who put that together, but that's really, really good. Oh, it's so good. Yeah. Well, now you all know. Name all those Star Trek people, audience, that just heard this, uh, the, audio version. J.K. Grammer's got a good one.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Umacron. I like that. Umacron. Umacron. Oprah Cron. All right. Oprah Cron. Umacron.
Starting point is 00:44:50 There you go. A old Letterman reference. I get it. Yeah. I get it. Uh, well, anyway, this band, uh, they say that both, uh, they say not meaning the band, but the world. The world says that there's no such thing as bad publicity, right?
Starting point is 00:45:03 All publicity is good publicity. Well, the Belgian death metal band Omicron will not change its name, despite sharing it with the new COVID variant. The group's founder and lead guitarist, Felipe Delahout, told Sky News things were really crazy when the latest coronavirus strain hit the headlines and that his colleagues had considered a switch, but he said they decided against it in the hope that it might lead to more people listening to their music and help vanquish, quote, the bad association with Omicron. Except he said it like this.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Probably not. The bad association with Omicron. That's what DeathMet is. Probably won't vanquish the bad association with. homicron, but people will be able to, you know, figure out whether they're talking about the virus or the death metal band. Yeah, they'll get over it just like Delta Airlines. That's fine. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:45:49 You know, we're, we dodged a bullet because Delta used to own the rights to have our stadium for the Utah Jazz named after them. So we had the Delta Center for years and years and years and years. It was always the Delta Center. Delta Center is a bad name during the Delta variant. Yes, it is. It's the center of Delta, yeah. Which is probably more true than I'd like to say.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Let's see. Hey, by the way, just a side note, Discord and Zoom, a perfect parody right now. When you move your mouth, I hear the words come out. Yeah, it seemed to have got better as time it went on. It did. It got great. Yeah. So for whatever reason, we thank the gods above for all of that.
Starting point is 00:46:26 Let's see. We thought about building our album, which is next spring, and putting it together, says Mr. Del Hout. But then the news hit in November, and people started getting in touch with us. The attention is cool, but we don't want people to think we are using the disease to our band widely spread. So there's a delicate balance there. Yeah. Don't take advantage of it, but also, you know, don't change.
Starting point is 00:46:47 You don't have to change it. They're not calling their new album Variants. No. Oh, can you imagine? Oh, my gosh, dude. Make sure to get the new album. Her Amicron Variance. I hate death metal.
Starting point is 00:47:01 Sorry, guys, but I hate it. I just can't do that whole. I can't either. The Cookie Monster voice. I'm so glad Tristan doesn't listen to that stuff anymore. Oh, is he over it then? He's over it. He's past it.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Yeah. Nick's sort of over his mumble rap era kick that he was really into toward the end of high school. He still likes a good amount of hip-hop, but I do too. So, you know, it's fine. But the real mumbly stuff. As long as you like a good amount. Yeah, a good amount. Not a fair amount, not a large amount, but a good amount.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Carter is questioning. She's saying you don't like the Cookie Monster voice? No, at all, Carter. You know this. I hate that. I hate death metal screamo freaking and Carter's a little bit of a metal head she likes she likes all that stuff and we were talking about Allison chains the other day and she was like oh I love that band and you know her and I agree on most of the heavy metal stuff I don't think
Starting point is 00:47:52 she likes the screamo either though I don't think it really is her jam so I'm not why I'm not sure why she's asking but anyway uh where are we here I hope she's feeling better she might have an actual cold right now oh yeah they maybe caught an actual cold. Yeah, on top of the, you know, the reaction of the booster reaction. Yeah. We're still trying to figure it out. So she says, I don't like Screamo, but the death metal, but I like the death metal. It's about finding the good stuff. Yeah, I mean, there's something in there, I'm sure. The good death metal, yeah. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. Madagin says, how about Yacht Rock? Hey, give me Yacht Rock 24-7. Can't get enough Yacht Rock. Nothing wrong with Yacht Rock. Anything that's got
Starting point is 00:48:37 Kenny Loggins or Michael MacDonald on vocals, I'm in. He came from somewhere back in a long ago. I'm living under a bridge down to Santa Monica. Please give me some food. I love that you know the words. I don't know any of the words. Those are not the real words. This is me going,
Starting point is 00:49:00 That's it. That's all I know. I like everything. There's nothing I don't like except modern. country. I think it's garbage, but I like old country. I like, you know, bluegrass, all that old stuff. Yeah, you and I have very similar
Starting point is 00:49:15 taste and all that. Yeah. I like new stuff, old stuff, whatever. I love that new, I can't get it. I mean, I know it can kill you after a while if you listen to it too often, I suppose, any modern pop song, but that weekend post Malone
Starting point is 00:49:31 co-lab song, I forgot the name of it. Anyway, the one that's out right now. can't get enough of that song. Love it. It's great. By the way, our effort to get Post Malone over for dinner one night, because he lives in Holiday and Park City has houses in three places here. You know, we hit a bit of a roadblock, Brian, and here's what it is. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:49:53 I'm still convinced because Nick thinks, so my son works at a place that at night, they open up for small concerts. Ever Clear was there the other night. A lot of 90s kind of era stuff. and Everclear is not young anymore. Holy crap. No, they're not. One of them that they've been trying to get, and they think they're going to get it, is Post Malone, because Post Malone's huge into, like,
Starting point is 00:50:16 the other stuff this club does, just a lot of leather stuff and boots and things that they're super into, and it's an expensive kind of high roller kind of place. It seemed like somewhere he'd go. Anyway, so there's been discussion. He might even perform. So there's a connection there. We might be able to say,
Starting point is 00:50:32 hey, my mom really wants to make you dinner one night. And he seems like the kind of guy. He seems to that kind of guy would say, oh, yeah, totally, I totally do that. He seems like that kind of dude. Like, he shows up at, like, Magic the Gathering games in the middle of town for no reason. In Walmart, it'll just show up and buy magic car.
Starting point is 00:50:47 He loves magic. He's super into it. So all of this, here's the roadblock. I heard an interview just two days ago on YouTube where somebody asked him what his hygiene is like. Okay. He showers once. That's a weird question, by the way.
Starting point is 00:51:02 It's a weird question. It is a weird question. I think it's because he's a weird question. He's a little ratty-looking, you know, it just looks like he might be a little, whatever. Regardless, you know, I don't think you, you don't go up to somebody and say, hmm, you look kind of shady. What's your hygiene like? Yeah, what's your hygiene like?
Starting point is 00:51:15 It was a weird question, but he answered it, and he said, this is out of his mouth. He showers like once a week and doesn't use deodorant. And he's kind of musky, is what he says. Now, I'm not saying I'd turn him down entirely. I'm just saying, you know, maybe we get him on the shower day. And then we get posting in the house. Or you wait until spring when you guys can eat out. side.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Yeah. It's, and apparently this is a known thing. You know, people know that he's just one of those guys. And it's fine. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:51:41 There are a lot of people in Hollywood and then music and stuff where they're all like, yeah, man. Whatever. I would ask that same question to Adam Drowitz of the counting crows.
Starting point is 00:51:50 Yeah. Just out of curiosity. Yeah. How are you doing there? How's your hygiene? Yeah. Can you count all the ways that your crow hygiene is working for you?
Starting point is 00:52:00 Let's see. Yeah. All right. We're going to take a break. When we come back, it's time with Randy. We're going to, we're going to, we moved a segment. We've moved Catwoman from yesterday to today. And we're going to move him to the top of the segment because he has a hard cutoff.
Starting point is 00:52:14 Oh, shit. All right. Well, we'll do that right away. So that's happening right after this. No Wendy today. She's in post-COVID booster mode. So she's not here today. So sorry everybody who's looking for help for their real problems in life.
Starting point is 00:52:27 You're going to have to wait a week. But Randy will be here after this. So Brian, let's play a song and then we'll get to it. What do you got? Yeah. Well, what's cool about this? is that Amy sent it to me because it's connected to her read this segment. This is Jim's Big Ego.
Starting point is 00:52:40 We were talking about Jim Infantino and the author of the Wakeful Wanderers Guide that was talking about it earlier. This is a song from his band. It's called Utopia. He decided it was the best one to go with our discussion of that book. It's fantastic. Here is Jim Infantino and Jim's Big Ego and the song Utopia. I had a dream
Starting point is 00:53:12 And then my dream became a day job And now I cannot find a friend To listen to me complain I had a scheme But then my scheme became a nightmare I got to find a scheme to fix it I want to sail away to utopia
Starting point is 00:53:37 utopia Further and further On the edge of the horizon Utopia Utopia Come about we're attacking to utopia I had an ideal And so I became a leader
Starting point is 00:54:10 Something has gone rotten And I didn't see it coming If I had a song Then I could make it sweeter Standing in the public square So they could hear me strumming Utopia Utopia
Starting point is 00:54:32 Utopia Further and further On the edge of the horizon Utopia Utopia Utopia Pack your bag with trekking To utopia
Starting point is 00:54:54 Dear brother I ride you expressing all my past regrets. If I had more power, I could make it work. I have a plan to get me out of prison. I never should have landed here. I didn't do nothing wrong. under the wall
Starting point is 00:55:35 and then floating in the ocean and then I will be free again free to start all over in utopia utopia further and further on the edge of the horizon utopia
Starting point is 00:56:02 Come about, we're drifting to utopia, utopia, further and further on the edge of the horizon, utopia, utopia, The Utopia. I don't know this, but I don't just make podcasts. I like them. I like to consume them. And in particular, there's one show I want you guys to know about today. American Scandal. It's a podcast from Wondery. And it takes you. you deep into the heart of America's dark side to look at what drives cutthroat competitors to succeed no matter the cost, whether it's legal or not. In this new season, the Pentagon Papers, they explore the highly controversial leaked documents that led Americans to demand an end to the catastrophic war. In the 1960s, Daniel Ellsberg was a young government official. He discovered that U.S. leaders
Starting point is 00:57:26 were secretly escalating a war that they knew they could never win. Thousands of men were being drafted chair, only to be senselessly killed in that war. Once Ellsberg recognized this terrible truth, he made the bold decision to leak the documents. These are also known as, yeah, the Pentagon Papers. So he knew the, you know, consequences could be dire, but you did it anyway. And in this story about self-sacrifice and justice, you're going to have a great time. It's just a really educational listen. It's also the story of Ellsberg's transformation from government operative to anti-war whistleblower
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Starting point is 01:00:27 The Morning's Dream. Oh, wow. All right, we're back, everybody. Hey, Brian, tell me that song one more time. Sure. That song, again, is Utopia by Jim's Big Ego from the album free from 2008. Very. Orbly, it's just a free album.
Starting point is 01:00:56 I don't know. One of those two. very nice. We're adding Randy to the mix and we're going to do Randy. This is going to be great. Hey, that music means Randy's here. It's time for recommend it. Orly Wednesday, but not
Starting point is 01:01:11 not this week. It's today. Randy, thanks for being so delayable. We appreciate it. Oh, happy. I'm very, very happy. We appreciate your delayability. Yeah. I love this so much. I really have been like trying to follow all the suggestions. It's a bit much.
Starting point is 01:01:27 So, like, this week, I'm going the other way. We're reversing course. Yeah, it happens when you guys, when we have, you know, two of the three of us recommending really cool stuff. And then, you know, we're trying to recommend our own unique things. But you also really like what everyone else is talking about. It's hard to keep up, I've found. It is.
Starting point is 01:01:44 Yeah. It totally is. Tricky. And I'm just going to, I'm going to say, like, this is a black mental I'm pulling this week. But I went into it expecting to have some appreciation for it because, well, I'll, I'll, get to it in a minute, but it's just like, it's just weird. It's weird when you think, oh, there's going to be something here. And it turns out, no, no, no, no. This is like really bad. Yeah, there was a recent, uh, Ryan Reynolds and Al Yadot and the Rock
Starting point is 01:02:11 thing that, uh, I had high expectations for. We watched it. It was, yeah, I've heard terrible things about it. I hear it's, well, and like, this is recommendal. So it's like, it doesn't follow the laws of physics or anything. You know, like, I'm not going to come in here and and talk a lot about things I don't want you to see. I just hit something this week that's like, oh, I need to make sure people prevent themselves from losing their, you know, two hours of their life to this. Yeah, this is a civic duty you're performing. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:02:43 Yeah, I think that's important. All right. Well, our community appreciates it. Let's start things off with some clips from Brian Ibitt's choices this week. Oh, no, I think we're doing Randy first. Oh, we got to give you a thing. All right. So we'll do you first.
Starting point is 01:02:53 We can go in the usual order. You sure? Okay. All right. All right. We'll make sure this works. So Brian, set us up for your first one there. What do you got there?
Starting point is 01:02:59 Well, it's funny. Both of mine are films. And both of mine are music related. The first one is more of a biography. Oh, all right. I'll play it and see what we get. Well, clearly somebody upset this girl. Who is it?
Starting point is 01:03:16 And, you know, for years, no confirmation. She's classy. She didn't talk about it and shit. Everyone thinks it's the guy from some TV show. It's funny, though, because I was dating so many more people than just him. But because of you ought to know and people saying it was about Dave Gullier, all this attention was like, she dated one person. Who's the person? Who gives a fuck?
Starting point is 01:03:41 It's the experience. All I know is I wouldn't want to be him. You know what I mean? I don't care who he is, but whoever he is, he went to therapy. There's been about eight people who've claimed the song has been about them. So I'm always just like, ooh, who's it? You know, who's it? Interesting that you think that song's about in Pong.
Starting point is 01:04:02 Oh, this is that bitterest pill thing. I love her so much. Like, she's on The Great North, and she's just amazing on that show. Really? Okay. I didn't know she did anything besides dogma, and you can't do that on television. Maybe they mentioned the Great North in the documentary, but that is the, the, the documentary called Jagged, not Bitterest Pill, although what I should do is make you watch the jam documentary as well, Scott, so you can separate the two. Yeah, at this stage, I mostly do it
Starting point is 01:04:38 for funsies, but I still screw it up and forget. It's just the way it is. And make no mistake, the documentary is kind of about Alanis Morissette, but more about that album and the impact of that album. You have to obviously talk about Alanis's history, her upbringing, all that stuff, and you have to talk about what she's been doing since. But for the most part, it's about that album. And
Starting point is 01:05:05 there's a lot of controversy with the documentary, which I thought was, okay, it's, I think it's worth seeing, but it's not like a drop everything and watch it, kind of like, I feel like get back is a drop everything and watch it kind of thing. But, um...
Starting point is 01:05:20 And also, this, this comes with a, like, a, a feature podcast, right? So like for all you, all you people who are looking for more podcasts in your life. Well, let me ask you this. So she, is the reason I heard Kevin Smith on that is the dogma connection? Is that why?
Starting point is 01:05:37 Yes. Yeah, there's a lot of people, you get Kevin Smith, you've got this producer that just fons over every lyric and says, rain on your wedding day. Who comes up with a brilliant lyric like that? Everyone.
Starting point is 01:05:51 He seriously says that. Yeah. Uh, didn't answer, two questions that didn't answer. It didn't confirm that you ought to know is about Dave Cooley. Although I think we all pretty much know that it's about Dave Cooley. And, uh, it also didn't answer the question about why is everything an ironic, not ironic? yeah no kidding however every other question you may have about it i i did not realize that um oh and i'm blanking on his name the drummer for foo fighters is uh was her drummer for um all those years of touring yeah i forget always because dave gruel plays drums i always forget who the drummer for foo fighters is because it's not dave gruel right exactly yeah yeah throws me off Claire's like
Starting point is 01:06:36 Dave Grohl's the drummer. No. Nope. Taylor Hawkins, thank you. Yes, Taylor Hawkins was Alonis Morissette's band's drummer for a long time. Yeah, that's interesting. So is it, so why is she, because apparently the controversy part of it, she was mad or something, right? And I did a deep dive and tried to find out specifically what Alanus was so mad about this time.
Starting point is 01:06:59 And she said that she was misled about the documentary that they went places that she didn't want to go and there was a salacious, the interview was more for salacious purposes, which I don't understand because the documentary goes into detail about her life, her upbringing, her influences, and what she's doing now. and it doesn't paint her in a bad light and it doesn't it doesn't make you dislike anything about her but for whatever reason she hasn't been specific about it she does not like this this documentary did she um did they get into any of the stuff about uh woodstock 99 and and her performance there and or any of that stuff not at all no and it's it's because i don't know why but this is also from the same people who did the i mean it's part of the music box series oh it's that same series i'm Oh, okay. Same series. All right. So, um,
Starting point is 01:08:02 that's interesting. Why they didn't go into it? I don't know. It's not like there was anything huge from that other than she was one of very few female performers at the event. And it was an important part of the event because right as things were starting to go real gross, she had finished up and was getting out of there. And it felt very like, who glad you got out of here when you did sort of feeling.
Starting point is 01:08:25 Yeah, no kidding. Because it got weird, man. That thing was weird. But there's interviews with other people in there. Shirley Manson from Garbage talks a lot about her and influences. They both were female leads in the 90s and talks about how difficult it was to be a female rock star singer in the 90s and how that album, that jagged little pill album was such an influence and such a, you know, it was the biggest selling, the second biggest selling album of the 90s behind. what I assume. They never said it, but I assume the bodyguard soundtrack is number one. Yeah. If you count that one, and I don't know if you should, but yes. I mean, yes, sure, you sure. Is it not an album? No, it's not even that it's a bad, it's a good album. It's just
Starting point is 01:09:11 that movie soundtrack, I don't know. I don't know why I feel like they should compete in a different category. I don't know why. Because there's a lot of pop stuff on there, right? Like it's, it's as big of pop stuff for Whitney Houston as she ever did. It's just because it's a movie and it's got Kevin Costner on the front of it with a gun. It just feels like it shouldn't be in the same category as just regular released music. I don't know why. I just looked it up. Two albums that were bigger sellers through the 90s.
Starting point is 01:09:36 This is only counting sales in the 90s. Then Jagged Little Pill was number three. Number two was Shania Twain's Come on Over. Come on Over. And number one, Metallica Metallica. Oh, really? Okay, the black album. Yes.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Well, good, as it should be. Well, okay, so also I just want to make the comment that no pill with edges is a good pill. don't take any pill that has it. Whether it's jagged or bitter. Don't care. Don't care. Don't take either one. But you could like squeeze it into a little cube of cheese and then just swallowing. Sure.
Starting point is 01:10:04 Maybe that's how she should have taken her jagged little pill like to put in some bread or some peanut butter. Squeeze it into a cube of cheese. That's great. Do you ever give a dog a pill? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 01:10:16 Just like peanut butter cheese. All right. It's like high eyed and the pill in some food. There you go. So that one, we're giving that a thumbs up then, are you? you liked it i'm giving a thumbs up it's not a drop it like if if you only see one music documentary and we don't really call get back a documentary we talked about this on an tp or pre ntp last night get back isn't as much a documentary as it is brilliant beetles home movies but if you
Starting point is 01:10:43 are trying to decide between the two go watch get back and if you've got time watch jagged yeah unless you're just robert young who apparently really disliked the beetles thing he did he was he was talking some all kinds of smack about that last night. Well, he hates fun. My second thing is this is a biopic. Actually, let me rephrase that. It's not. It's more of an adaptation of a one-man play that's semi-autobiographical.
Starting point is 01:11:09 Oh, all right. Okay. Interesting. Okay. While you're parsing that sentence, let's play the clip. Yeah, let's play the clip. Here you go. I'm lost.
Starting point is 01:11:19 I don't know what the show is. Is it social commentary, is it science fiction, and the music is the same thing? Is it a rock? It's a Broadway. Is it both? Is it neither? Yes, Richard. I have to say, I disagree pretty strongly, Walter.
Starting point is 01:11:34 I think this is a musical that knows exactly what it is. Yes. Yes, of course, yes. The world you've created is really original. It's fascinating. The problem is it's not particularly easy to follow the emotion. The emotional thread. The details distract us from connecting with the character.
Starting point is 01:11:56 Does that make sense? Okay. Okay. Yes. We're on the same page. That's exactly how I felt. We're saying the same thing just differently. But the music, okay?
Starting point is 01:12:05 I'm sorry. The music just wasn't there. Actually, I thought the songs were swell. Yeah, okay. Yes. Yes. The individual songs. I particularly like the one the young man sings at the end of the first acts.
Starting point is 01:12:18 First-rate lyric and tune. tune. Well done. Sounds like Bradley Whitford and Richard Kind to me. Exactly who
Starting point is 01:12:25 those two people are. And I didn't even include any audio from the main character, the main actor
Starting point is 01:12:30 in this thing. But that's Bradley Whitford as Stephen Sondheim and Richard Kind as Walter
Starting point is 01:12:38 Bloom, head of musical theater workshop. They are reviewing a show called
Starting point is 01:12:43 Tick-Tick Boom, which is a Jonathan Larson rock monologue. It's a
Starting point is 01:12:49 one-man show monologue done by the guy who also created rent and this is an amazing um yeah rest in peace jonathan larsen who died right before opening night or a little bit before opening night uh for rent and never actually got to see um that uh i didn't know that that's yeah yeah i don't tell you it was it was actually the an undiagnosed aortic aneurism the night before rent began previews off Broadway, so he never got to see Rent going on stage. That's just insane. That's, I mean, that's not quite the same as Sondheim just passing right before West Side's story premiered in its new form. That's not the same, though. It's sort of. I mean, it's similar. It's, you know, he's not getting to see a new adaptation of his work. I feel like that's, yeah, that's similar. Yeah. I feel like you're, but in the case of rent, it's like, probably a huge part of your life's work is suddenly ready and now you die. exactly yes yeah he at least sonheim did get to see several adaptations a west end story larcen never got to see any adaptations of rent um so this is so good it's called tick
Starting point is 01:14:00 tick boom and the the film is by lynn produced by or directed by lin manuel miranda as well as as brian grazer and ron howard um uh directed and produced by them and then directed by lin manuel miranda what's what's uh great about this is the music Right. If you like rent, if you like any of that stuff, you'll love this. I'm blown away by Andrew Garfield, Peter Parker and those in the second set of Spider-Man films. Who knows if he appears in... But he portrays Jonathan Larson in this adaptation. I can't even say he's playing Jonathan Larson.
Starting point is 01:14:48 He's playing the John character in the Jonathan Larson, tick, tick, boom. Ready, champ? Why is that playing? Sorry. I don't know. I'm ready, champ. IMDB started playing for no reason. Sorry, continue in.
Starting point is 01:15:00 Yeah. I like him a lot, by the way. I just don't, I just want to make this clear. There's not enough Andrew Garfield in things. He should be in more things. Agreed. Yeah. He's great.
Starting point is 01:15:08 Yeah. What was the war thing that, uh... Oh, where he wouldn't kill any of the, the Mel Gibson. Yes. It's so good. my gosh, that was one of my... Oh, it's, you need... Hacksaw Ridge.
Starting point is 01:15:23 One of the, and that, in my opinion, should have been the winner of the Oscars that year as a nominee. Well, everybody hates that Mel Gibson, so he gets a little bit of pushback. Probably, yeah, could be. Anyway, this also stars Alexandra Ship, who we know, some of us know anyway,
Starting point is 01:15:41 as Storm from the first class X-Men movies, the sure the non-hellyberry storm uh also has uh venessa hudgens doing some vocals and doing a really good job in there as well um as you mentioned uh bradley whitford yeah go ahead i'm just glad that you unpacked this because like my my sort of initial understanding of it is just based on seeing a poster and yeah something like a description that i'm not reading really carefully on Netflix. And that experience led me to believe that this was another Bo Burnham inside. Oh, yeah. Just the first glance. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And it's not.
Starting point is 01:16:25 No, this is, this is excellent. It is, um, uh, like you said, the music is the standout thing of this. If you, like, if you like rent, you'll love this. But even if, even if you kind of like rent or have never seen rent, I think you'll still really like this. It's, um, it's infection. It is so well-acted, and I think it's got like a 98% on Rotten Tomatoes right now. So it's well-liked, well-reviewed. Very cool. So, yeah, check it out. It's called Tick-Tick-Bomb, and it's on Netflix.
Starting point is 01:16:56 By the way, I was just check. I know the cast list is now pretty much known for the new Spider-Man movie. I'm not going to spoil anything here. But nobody told me J.B. Smooth was in here. Nobody told me that. Oh, really? I didn't know that even. I love him.
Starting point is 01:17:10 That's cool. Leon is in Spider-Man. I'm so excited. Excellent. he's the best mother I had to pee in a Gatorade bottle once you know many times I did that three times you know how many times I drink that bottle once he's so funny all right
Starting point is 01:17:26 here's mine this is a old movie gentlemen this is a movie from 1988 I believe yeah I think so it's a movie Jimmy smooth is one of Peter Parker's teachers he was in the previous one was he I don't remember that really yeah he went to
Starting point is 01:17:42 went to Europe with with all of them and Oh, that's right. You know what? I think I didn't, I think I became. It was him and the dude from dazed and confused. I started, yeah, Martin Star.
Starting point is 01:17:54 I started late with, I started late with a curb and I think I caught up with Leon after I saw those first time. Oh, gotcha. Okay. I think that's why. All right, well, that's cool.
Starting point is 01:18:04 All right. So, sorry, please go ahead. We'll see if the chat room can get this one. Here you go. I mean, it's only a matter of time before Serrano vanishes this guy from the planet, and I'm out 450,000.
Starting point is 01:18:15 You're out 450,000 on this guy? No. No. No, because I got you, and you're the best, and you're going to find him and bring him back. Yeah, right. How do you even know this guy is still alive? Because this guy is crazy.
Starting point is 01:18:29 He sends postcards to Serrano. He's telling him what a great time he's having with his money. How much time you got left? Friday midnight, I default. I eat the $4.50. This Friday? That's five days. Forget it.
Starting point is 01:18:42 fine. Give me my money. All right. All right, Bombat's got it. Pants and De Niro. Oh, my God. I know, right? Other folks in this, Charles Groden,
Starting point is 01:18:53 yeah, Fed Cotto, love him. John Ashton's great. Joey Pants, of course, you mentioned him. Dennis Farina, our big bad in this. It is 1988's Midnight Run. A movie, I think, is almost a perfect film. Underappreciated genius. Oh, I love it.
Starting point is 01:19:11 I mean, underappreciated. at the time. I feel like over the last 20 years, it's grown in esteem. Oh, yeah, for sure. It was just like, it was just like a movie for the first 10 years that existed. And then something kind of, people started calling it an influence and that kind of thing.
Starting point is 01:19:26 Yeah, for sure. When I saw this with my friend Bill Evans in high school, we loved, we loved this freaking movie. We thought it was amazing and we couldn't wait to tell everybody and everybody's like, what, that's like my dad's movie. What are you guys watching that for? But we thought it was amazing and very funny.
Starting point is 01:19:42 and as far as like road trip kind of buddy cop style you know treatments or whatever i still think this is probably the best one i just love it i like it more than all the stuff from that era i like it more than most of the things that you might point to now and say oh the rock and kevin hard are basically making benight run it's better than all of those and it's some of the best work uh denaro's ever done in my opinion because it's really the first time he gets to get comedic And still be a tough guy, but kind of, you know, do it in a new way. I think Charles Groden is brilliant in it. You know, say whatever you want about Groden's the career or whatever.
Starting point is 01:20:22 He's incredible in it. It's very funny. It's got heartwarming moments. It's edgy and never pulls back from being afraid to be edgy. It's not, you know, afraid to let the swears fly real hard. The joke that the FBI never knows seems to know what they're doing headed by Yafat Koto is actually funny. and usually that stuff is so trite and dumb and stereotyped and trope that I just can't get past it. Oh, Philip Baker Halls in this as well.
Starting point is 01:20:50 I forgot about him. He's great. He's great. One of my favorite Joey Pants rolls, an early one for him, obviously. It's funny. He's also in Running Scared, which is a lot, you know, kind of has similar DNA. Similar, yeah. A little bit anyway.
Starting point is 01:21:05 But it's great. I love that movie. And I saw it on Netflix. Or no, let's see. Apple TV? Apple TV? Netflix? It's on Netflix. Netflix till the 31st.
Starting point is 01:21:17 It gets pulled after the 31st. So you got a little time to watch it. But I revere it in the same way I revere planes, trains, and automobiles, which is actually, again, similar film a little earlier. But similar in terms of like, oh, my gosh, I cannot believe you're on the run. Yeah. They got to be on a cross-country trip with the worst person you can think of. Yes, absolutely. And there is kind of a, they start in a play.
Starting point is 01:21:40 lane they end up on a train and then it had been a car it's like a lot of that same stuff in there and the movies were i think two years apart so i'm not you know i'm not suggesting they're ripping each other off or anything but um it's really good and uh it's weird to think that denaro was 45 years old in this uh it just i he it's weird to think denour was ever 45 yeah yeah that's just a weird thing to see yeah like taxi driver i swear that guy's 50 taxi driver. Do we now think 45's young? Because Scott Johnson earlier called David Beckham a boy and he's 46.
Starting point is 01:22:15 Yeah, I think we think of those ages as young now. Well, I mean, of course, when you're older than that age, I think we definitely do. Yeah. I also, like, I was thinking when you guys were talking about narcolepsy, I grew up with a music teacher who, like, I had many, many years through like middle school and high school of this music teacher. Yeah. And so it's like, she was like one of my most. prominent teachers in all of my schooling. And she had
Starting point is 01:22:41 a, oh my gosh, she had grandma seizures every now and then. And a part of her, like one of the symptoms of her disease was that she didn't want to take her own medication. Like the medication that would prevent
Starting point is 01:22:57 this, like she just resisted it constantly. Yeah. And I anyway, though, like she ended up dying. She had a seizure while driving to work. And she was at highway speed and drove off the road and into a tree. Oh, geez. And anyway, she died at 48, but when she was my teacher, she was like early 30s.
Starting point is 01:23:19 Yeah. And I just remember thinking of her as so old. Yeah. When I was 15, her name was Susan Diaz. Ms. Diaz was, yeah, I don't know, maybe 14 years older than me. And she seemed so old. Yeah, I know. That's how we did it back then.
Starting point is 01:23:34 If you were like 10 to 12 years old, if you saw a 25 year old, you thought you were looking at the end times like it's just so weird doesn't work that way but i wanted to say one of the thing about martin brest he's the director here um and you all know him from incredible movies like bever de hills cop which came before this then midnight run then sent of a woman then meet joe black eventually gile which made him leave the business well we don't talk about that one no but um that was oh three and he quit after that but um what a run of great films and this is i think it's my favorite of all of those and should be seen it doesn't look old it looks like it was just made um there's old stuff like pay phones and all the things you see in these old movies sure those are there but uh
Starting point is 01:24:17 it doesn't feel dated in that way the music maybe i guess it's a little trains planesy and automobilesy you know well wasn't it uh there i think there's actually a a song that david or yeah a dany elfman song that's used for both planes trains and automobiles and men that Run. Didn't Elfman do Midnight Run or no? Now that you said, I don't remember if I heard one the other night. Maybe. Yes. Yeah, he did the
Starting point is 01:24:47 TVZ gone. He'll back me up on this. Midnight Run was Danny Elfman, yeah. But then there's one song that was an instrumental version of a song that Oingo Boingo later did that was used in the soundtrack of both Midnight Run and Planes, no, not planes trains and automobiles. I think it was just Midnight Run. Okay. So was he credited as like soundtrack guy or something on this? Oh, I didn't know that. That's amazing. Okay. I had no idea about that.
Starting point is 01:25:14 Anyway, I love it. You should see it before it leaves. It's, you know, it's not really for the kids. It's pretty sweary, but. And occasionally a little violent. But for the most part, it's, you know, this is adult comedy. A adult, it's hard to call it even a comedy. It's not straight comedy. It's like something else. No, it's like an action adventure. yeah yes but lots of comedy and it's and it's good legit earned comedy it's not stupid prat fawley dumb stuff it's it's funny and cerebral and amazing uh i love it i love it i love it i love it all right uh randy now to you i got a clip here do you want to how do you want to set this up uh it's bottom line i am looking at netflix the other day and this is the number two most watched thing
Starting point is 01:25:58 on netflix wow and i'm like okay all right i know it's based on a book that was really bestseller kind of thing years ago. I'm going to give it a shot. All right. And then I watched it and it's one of the worst things I've ever seen. Oh, wow. Okay. I just can't believe that.
Starting point is 01:26:16 So I try to keep. People are so hungry for something new on Netflix. I don't care. I don't care. I'm to watch it. Yeah. I, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:21 So I tried to like, yeah. Yeah. Well, there's also, there's also a certain culture, subculture that's propping this thing up and now I know that. But anyway, listen to the clip. I'll tell you what it. All right. Here we go.
Starting point is 01:26:32 Call leaves in 20 seconds. We got a little rascal. Do you think the princess should have a red dress like mine? Red it is. Where's Missy? Missy! Where's Missy? Sorry, Mac, they haven't seen her.
Starting point is 01:26:50 Missy! Missy! I was scared. I didn't know what to do. Awful, shots, exciting. Ground teams found the truck in the mountains. I'm really sorry, Mr. Phillips. yell at the sky moment yeah that's just all i was willing to give you there's like
Starting point is 01:27:12 uh so uh that was sam worthington's voice uh this movie is called the shack and the shack is a like i say a really really popular novel from about six or seven years ago um it uh it was made into some kind of weird weird horror hallmark movie almost it's It's hard to, it's hard to explain how you get from there to here. But the basic story is that there's a man, Sam Worthington plays this lead, who, when he was a kid, he grew up in the worst imaginable household. His dad was so abusive that this, at 13 years old, he kills his father. That's how abusive this was, right? And so then, then he, you know, like puts a life together, finds a, you know, he's wife.
Starting point is 01:28:04 wife and kids. And then at 40, we would jump from 13 to 40, right? And he's out like pushing some snow off the driveway and he falls down and hits his head. And then we suddenly have a second flashback to when he was like 30. And apparently he took his three kids to the to the lake to go camping without his wife. He just him and his kids. And one of them, the youngest, the girl, gets kidnapped by a crazed, you know, maniac. And, and they end up finding her, you know, like raped and murdered in a shack in the mountains. Oh, hence the name of the shack. How many, how many bad things can happen to one guy? It's like, and it's not just,
Starting point is 01:28:52 these aren't just bad things. These are the depictions of like the worst tragedies you can imagine, right? So now we zoom back to Sam Worthington. is 40 he's only got two kids now his family is in tatters right his life it's in tatters his brother is tim mcgraw yeah uh stunt casting sure and and tim mcgraw the country artist tim mcgraw right that's who yeah tim tim mcgraw trying to burnish some uh credentials with his christian fans so uh so i'm not kidding sam worthington gets a magical letter uh in the mail He could say magical letter from God. He takes it around and shows it to people.
Starting point is 01:29:37 And that's one of the biggest plot holes I've ever seen. Because if he hadn't shown this magical letter to people, then you could have understood that everything that happens from here on is just sort of happening only to him. But the letter tells him to go to the shack in the mountains where they found his daughter's, like blood-stained dress. He drives up there and then he meets God. and God is, oh, I should say he meets gods, multiple gods.
Starting point is 01:30:08 At first, you think, oh, no, he's just meeting the Christian Trinity God, which is Octavia Spencer as a father, and I'm forgetting the names of the actors who played Jesus in the Holy Spirit. But they're fantastic. I see Graham Green's in this. I love him. Yes, yes. That's when you get to Graham Green, you realize, oh, he's actually getting to talk to and work through his problems in his life. with multiple gods this is not this is a polytheistic take on christianity interesting and it's um it's terrible dave batista is the holy ghost yeah yeah like it's terrible it's it's so
Starting point is 01:30:48 bad that i had to stop at one point i just stopped and i'm like i don't even want to know how this how this ends because he's because the movie is all about the problem of evil which is very very interesting to me. And our lead character, Sam Worthington, is literally saying to Octavia Spencer as God the Father, you have a problem of evil here. Like your your problem is this thing that philosophers have talked about for centuries. And I need you to answer for it. And God's like, nah, not going to. I'm not going to answer it. And it's just fascinating. Because then he talks to the Holy Spirit. And the Spirit's like, no, we're going to talk about the Garden of, you know, the Garden of Eden a little bit, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to answer for evil. And then, you know, he talks to Jesus about it. And then he ends up talking to a sort of like judgment God version of Octavia Spencer's character. And then he ends up talking to Graham Green. It's fascinating how he just keeps, he just keeps going to all of these different depictions of God. And then, and then he's not getting anything satisfying. So I stopped watching it. but then I'm like you know what I need to know how this ends I need to know if this guy like like does he go back to his life and the answer is yes and I you do not need to watch I'm trying to spoil the hell out of it because you should not watch it so keep other people from watching this this being a 2017 film why do you think this is so big on Netflix right now what's it just hit it's finally it's finally streaming for free to its audience okay and uh because I never even heard of this before I thought it was like a Netflix or
Starting point is 01:32:30 original or something, but now it was like 2017. It was many years ago. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sorry to say Sam Worthington kind of, there's a reason he has, he didn't hit it big after, after his one big shot with, uh, Avatar, like, um, he's all right. I like him. He's okay in this role.
Starting point is 01:32:51 He's a handsome fella. Yeah, he's, but like, this is a, this is a script that's just, it's the worst Drek, Drekimental right here, man. it's just like in the end um in the end by the way so he's he's gone into a spiritual realm in this journey right and he has to come back out of it and go to the real world sure and the way they do that is they have him wake up from a car crash he never made it to the shack in the first place the he was in a car crash all along the whole time yeah he's uh he's in all he's been busy though man he's got all kinds of stuff in 2021 22 26 28 well i guess these
Starting point is 01:33:28 Avatar sequels are all coming. He's in all those. Yeah. If they ever come. Yeah, if they ever happen. It feels like we, I don't know. They say they're in post production. I don't know what that means. There's some really interesting discussions that have come out of this movie. So like, I'm like, if you actually have,
Starting point is 01:33:44 if it's piqued your interest at all, just go search it up and look for like people's blog posts about it because all kinds of modern philosophers, you know, internet philosophers, have written a lot about the idea that Christianity used to be more polytheistic and that along the way there were a bunch of like a bunch of people like clamped
Starting point is 01:34:03 down on that shit and we're like no we you know like we may have polytheistic roots but we can't but then there's a lot of Judaism that has has kind of stuck with it and held to some polytheistic traditions from centuries ago and so there's really interesting stuff here you know like go read about that and talk to you know talk to people about that it's very interesting but the movie it's just garbage and and at the same time the guy who plays jesus oh he's so good the guy who plays jesus in this movie is the guy that you would like to sit down and have a chat with if you were chatting with jesus so so so uh benedict wong then that's who that's who i want to sit out and kind of the same yeah kind of some of the same stuff okay um i just noticed by the way hacksaw ridge
Starting point is 01:34:52 sam worthington was in that i guess he's had decent roles he's just you know he's just kind of like a dude hey do you guys want to put a dude in your movie well i got good news for you here's we have a dude who wants to be in your movie guy who plays jesus has named aviv alouche and i i haven't seen him in anything else like looking at his list and it's
Starting point is 01:35:14 i don't get it but man he's great i love that man he's perfect as jesus this guy really captures what like what you in in our culture will think of as the the role, you know? All right. Well, I was curious about it.
Starting point is 01:35:29 It looked more like true crime to me, but it sounds like it's nothing like that. It's like something, something else. So, but yeah, it's talking to God. It's like, and it doesn't, it doesn't start doing that until about halfway through the movie. And so you're like, you're like watching this poor soul's history and he's just getting tortured. Like the worst things that can.
Starting point is 01:35:47 Dude kills his own dad at 13. Yeah. Like, damn. That's pretty hardcore. But, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're going to kill your dad at 13 is hardcore.
Starting point is 01:35:57 uh well well done this is great uh all of these recommendals and recommendals will be referenced in randy's tweets over there at randy deluxe so get in there get in there and do it man thanks man at some point on a web page that will collect them all as i'm putting stuff together here yeah yeah i need to talk with you about about how we can get that on the yeah we can probably just make a public a public non-editable freaking google sheet for all we care and like what well yeah i want to make it a little bit better than that. But if worse comes to worst, then yes, we'll do it that way. We can do whatever. But, you know, the main thing is we got to get them, we got to get these people the data. We got to get them the data. Yeah, because people will be looking up and saying, oh, what was that thing that Randy recommended three weeks ago that he actually did like?
Starting point is 01:36:41 Yeah, yeah. So, speaking of things we like, we're going to sack Jingle all the way, guys. I'm excited. It's been a long time coming. We try to find a Christmas movie or two every year. And Jingle all the way has always sort of been in the, in the, the, waiting list right yeah and uh so we're finally going to watch it and sack it this weekend and uh being it i've just i'm stoked it's it's such a good bad movie having having never seen it i i don't even know what to expect i know it's you know it's supposed to be comedic and it's schwartzneger doing one of his comedies and that's all i know i don't know anything else sweet it's perfect perfect set up there you and uh and then uh i'll talk to you next week for more recommendals i will i will try to bring something good. Well, good luck to you on your journey to find something good. It's Randy
Starting point is 01:37:26 Deluxe, aka Randy Deluxe on Twitter. Follow them there. Not a.k.a. It's Randy Jordan. Bye now. All right. Screwed that up. Hey, we're back. We're back, everybody. Hey, Brian, before we leave today, I assume there's probably a Coverville today. There will be a coverville today. And because we're a week, well, a week away from Christmas Eve, it's time for some Christmas covers. Today, Coverville is going to be the big Christmas show every year. I put together some great Christmas covers. This year, nothing different. As a matter of fact, this year I'm doing the follow-up to something I did a couple of years ago
Starting point is 01:38:00 where I did the oldest Christmas songs and covers of them, things like Hark the Herald Angels sing and Oh Come All You Faithful and stuff like that. We're flipping it on its head. All the modern Christmas Carols covered. So stuff that's newer than 1960 today being covered. Of course, things like All I Want for Christmas, Mrs. You, last Christmas, wonderful Christmas time, a good cover of that, and of course that great Pogues and Kristen McCull song, Fairy Tale of New York. That is going to be today at
Starting point is 01:38:30 Twitch.tv.tv.tvill. Watch me play Asteroids Recharged while we listen to some great Christmas covers. Very, very nice. You're going to do Brax's Ding-Frieser-Dun cover this year? No. Ding-Frizer-Dun. Damn. No, I'm not. It's my favorite. Because Carol of the Bells is an old one, too. yeah that's true uh all right so watch for that today one one one thirty one p m one one one one one one one one p m titch mountain time twitch dot tv slash coverville excellent if you're in the mood for some video game discussion uh tonight at five p m mountain time we'll be doing the boop show or excuse me core is tonight so core tonight uh give it uh the good old fashion core rip tonight so check that out all right hey real quick i want to thank some patrons for being a part of why this show succeeds and that that is the following names, Todd Baker. He went to patreon.com slash TMS and signed up as a great A plus member. We love that level and love when people join it. Thank you, Todd.
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Starting point is 01:40:00 And speaking of things that are popular on Netflix, Hey cats and kittens, there's a new cover that's just rocking the cages off of the petting zoo. No explanation other than that is needed. Signed baloney ninja. P.S. Is it baloney ninja that knows the art of, is it baloney that knows the art of ninja?
Starting point is 01:40:17 a ninja that has mastered the art of baloney who knows it's a mystery yeah i don't know what to say to that but i like it um by the way i tried to watch the new season of uh yeah it's bad tiger king it's a bad bad it's not good they don't do anything it's it's just more they leaned into what made it weird well they leaned into the stuff that was like shocking a year ago and then went what if there's more of that and we really don't tell you anything new that's it it's just bad it's Bad. Really, really bad. And it bumps me out.
Starting point is 01:40:49 Yeah, avoid it. Although the Doc Antle one I'm hearing might be better. That just came out. There's one just about that guy. But I hated it. I didn't even do a Drekimentel. I was just like, I'm going to pretend I didn't watch this first episode. I'm going to pretend I blacked out and didn't watch this.
Starting point is 01:41:05 Listen, when we get in another season of making a murder, I really want to find out what's happened with those crazy kids. Let's not have another season where they don't really tell us anything. I'd like to know what the hell happened. Yeah, let's actually have some stuff. Yeah. Uh, regardless, let's talk about Tiger King and, uh, and that, that bitch Carol Baskin, uh, did she really kill her husband? Well, we don't know, but there was the song that, uh, that kind of played that up. Uh, here, it's being covered by, yes, the offspring. Yes, got to keep them separated. Covering here, kitty kitty by Joe Exotic. All right, here it is. We'll be back, uh, Friday or the PM. Yeah, Friday, PM. PM edition of the show. Be there. PM Friday tomorrow. That's, uh, for patrons.
Starting point is 01:41:44 And the next week we'll have new shows and hopefully never internet problems again. That's the goal. Thank you all for listening. We'll see you then. rich taste she felt the blood running through her veins she liked the life she had she loved her big cats and the beauty of being untamed everything was fine just as sweet as wine but her husband wouldn't disappear but then it got a little crazy got a little hazy and the cops said there's something wrong here
Starting point is 01:42:43 Oh, yeah, kitty, kitty Mama's got some treats for you Oh, yeah, kitty, kitty You can't find this chase in the zoo Oh, here, kitty, kitty Mama cows, she sure loves you Oh, kitty, kitty, kitty Mama made this phone with you
Starting point is 01:43:13 So if you're ever down in Tampa on a big cat refuge, don't pick a fight with your wife, because it's a big 40 acres, and if you're not careful, you'll be gone in the blink of the night. No, Boles are remains, but that won't change. The fact that dawn sure ain't coming back. But you can't prosecute. There's just no use. There's nothing left but Tiger tries. Oh, yeah, kitty, kitty,
Starting point is 01:44:03 Mama's got some treats for you. Oh, yeah, kitty, kitty. You can't find this taste. the zoo. Oh, yeah, kitty, kitty, Mama's got some treats you sure love you. Oh, kitty, kitty, kitty, Mama made this for you. Oh, yeah, kitty, kitty,
Starting point is 01:44:31 Mama's got some treats for you. Oh, here, kitty, kitty, kitty, you can't find this taste in the zoo. Oh, here, kitty, kitty. Mama car, she sure loves you. Oh, here, kitty, kitty, Mama made this hole with you. Mama made this for me.
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