The Morning Stream - TMS 2244: Kirby your enthusiasm

Episode Date: February 10, 2022

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You think maybe he should be taken to a doctor. When do you think maybe he should be taken to a doctor? You're supposed to eat pizza, not wearing it. And this is the morning stream, and we're going to need a bigger boat. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to Thursday's edition of the morning stream. It is February 10th, 2022. I am Scott. He is Brian. Good morning, Brian. Good morning, Scott. Hey, did you happen to watch any of the Nintendo Direct yesterday? I watched it this morning. Oh, you did?

I can't watch those live. It's too much. excitement for me all in one time. Boy, oh, another, another JRP. What? I can't take it. I know. It's hard to contain yourself. I get it. So, yeah, I just wanted to mention, I think that that new Kirby game looks incredible, and I cannot wait to get my hands on it.

Listen, I'm kind of excited about sports, about Wii sports, Switch sports. Because we were big, we were big sports players here at the house. We had it on the big screen. We did the bowling a lot. we did the tennis this doesn't surprise me at all i can see brian with his we moat standing there getting ready to roll a perfect uh you know get a strike i can see it oh yeah yeah with uh i mean this was this was uh this was the neighbors came over drinking game kind of you know

friday after dinner we go out to dinner come back hey we'll do some bowling yeah let's do some bowling make some gin drinks bring them down to the basement and play uh do some bowling take the skinheads bowling is what we did the good news is we moats and uh I'm sorry, Wii motes are way less sensitive and good at motion control than the freaking, what do they call, JoyConns. Yeah. So you'll actually get a way more, you know, kinetic experience, I think, out of those. And I think that's cool. A little part of me that is kind of excited about Advance Wars, even though it's really just, it's just very excited.

There's no, a little excited here in this house. I am beyond stoked for that. I love those games. But it's Advance Wars 1 and 2. It's really, it's the games we've already played just brought, brought to the Switch. Yeah, but made modern, like looking all beautiful and stuff. So they're redoing those things entirely. They're complete remakes, and there's some extra content as well.

But you're right, they're mostly those original games. But, man, those games owned me back in the day. I loved Advance Wars 1 and 2. Me too. Yeah, me too. Listen, if they were announcing an Advance Wars Switch, like new game, new content, heartbeat, like, you know, be pre-order. it right pre-ordering right now or pee-ordering yeah pee-order

don't I need a new P-order please there'd be a little bit of P-ordering coming out of me and I'd be pre-ordering it well I just thought the whole thing was pretty good and I'm maybe in the minority here I don't know obviously I'm not because they're going to make it and sell it but uh Mario strikers is one of my favorite soccer games ever made I loved that game back in the day that was also a Wii game didn't depend so much on we moats though which is nice and uh it's they're making a new one of those that looks awesome and what else? Oh, they announced like 40-something new courses coming to...

Right, to Mario Card. Old courses made new, like all the old courses from all of the old Mario Kart games brought to this, which is great. Which is totally great. And last night, they put Earthbound and... What's the first Earth? What's the first one on this? N.S. Anyway, Earthbound, I never got to play these games back in the day. They're very rare.

Most people are even heard. heard of them, these weird little RPGs. Those are now up on the little SNS and Ness online play thing deal that just comes with your Switch. So those are on there. And that happened last night. So I played that till like midnight, like an idiot. I just got real Nintendo yesterday. But I'm telling you,

man, Kirby can eat a car and then drive around like a car. And everyone's calling him Carby, which is amazing. And I'm just a sucker for Kirby. I love Kirby. All Kirby games are great games. I've never played a Kirby game I didn't love.

He's ridiculous. He's ridiculously cute and then there's creepy shit at the same time. This game looks like massive amounts of like, it's a, it's a dead world that humans used to inhabit. Somehow Kirby's there to save it. Well, he's a ghost. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't die. It's so insane to me. And no man sky, I come to the switch, which is insane. I can't believe that's happening. Oh, right. No Man Sky. I know. It's like, oh, Astraneer Heavy. I don't need Astroneer Heavy. I want no man sky light yeah i wonder how that'll be though because i mean obviously it's they've had to

cut some corners for performance but um yeah we'll see i don't know yeah um it's a good game who is it the mentioned uh stoic squirrel says you know they only called it advance wars because it was on the game boy advance yeah well they only called these podcasts because of the ipod but sometimes these words take on a life of their own yeah there's no there's no getting around that look half the half the time when nintendo has a new console out they put super in front of everything for the super nintendo era The N-64 era had 64 on the back of every game on the 64. It was stupid. It was the way they do it.

Stoic Scroll says, that's true. I kind of going back to the Ranscott made before about every game in the N-64 having 64 the title. And like as if on Q. Yeah, yeah. They do a lot of that. Sega avoided it mostly, but Nintendo loves to embrace where they're at. So that's what they do.

And they did that with the Wii. They did it with the Wii. They're just weird. Hey, guess what, everybody? Nintendo's weird. and I love it and I'm super jazz to play all those games

but Earthbound is as good as everybody told me it was I didn't know how that was going to be that's an awesome little game it's Brad I assume the NES

prequel but the game became a four is also good just haven't touched it never played it back in the day anyway I'm feeling very Nintendo today as a result Yeah actually and I did miss

misquote Kirby is not a ghost Kirby is a hostess snowball. Yeah. He's a nightmare with legs. He's what he is. He eats cars and then drives around with the car inside him. Goes out at night eating bars.

And then he only eats cars. Look out. I actually laughed out loud when he became a vending machine and shot juice cans at people. Laughed out loud. I just love him. I love Kirby so much. Anyway, so that's all coming. Um, hey, Brian, I thought, you know, you're always playing games with us.

Why don't I play a game with you today? That's totally fine. Let's, let's prove that, uh, my knowledge is only, uh, paper deep. Paper deep. Paper deep. Why is that fun to say? Paper deep. Isn't that fun to say?

Yeah, because it sounds like you're saying, uh, well, you could get your, your deep free, but not anymore, because it's paper deep. Oh, there's something on, yeah, I like that. Paper deep. Paper deep. Paper deep. Paper deep. Paper deep. All right. I'm going to, uh, I don't know what to use for this. so I'll just use this, even though those recommendals, I don't have any other kind of hooray for Hollywood stuff.

So this is a movie-related thing, and since Brian loves movies, we're in the middle of Oscar season, he's about to go see all those movies. I thought I'd try a little trivia thing with you that is specifically about science fiction movies and famous quotes from them. Oh, God, okay. So what I'm going to do... Did it all right. Did all right on the movie quotes last week, so I'm hopeful.

Yeah, I think you'll be all right. Now, this one is even... Maybe more helpful or less. I'm not sure, but they're audio quotes. And now you're going to say what movie these audio quotes are from. Oh, okay. Oh, no. Are these non-memorable quotes from non-memorable sci-fi movies we watched on film set?

No, none of these, in fact, none of these are from film. Well, no, that's not true. We've seen a bunch of these on film sack just by our nature, but some of them we haven't. And I chose them. You're not pulling them from, like, you know, from movies we watched on film. Oh, no, no, no. In fact, these are freshly recorded because I think I should do more work for myself, I guess. but so yeah it's a good at you make a good point i should have just used old clips no no i'm glad

you didn't because as soon as we're done talking about a movie on film sack that movie is erased from my memory unless it's uh you know breakfast club or t2 or or something like that which is to say something good hudson hawk yeah hudson hawk yeah slurped my butt and all that so here's uh here's the list now i i recorded a bunch of these and then i mixed them up like a deck of cards it Totally shuffled, okay? Okay. So no rhyme or reason to this. There's no hints as to years or anything in the way that I play these.

So you're just going to hear them. And then you have, I'm going to give you, I think I should time this somehow, but I don't have a timer. Sure. You know, just as quick as you can. Yeah, as quick as I can. Sure. Quick fire movie quotes. Okay.

Here's number one. Run! What's the movie? Oh, geez. Is that Planet of the Apes? I don't have a buzzer. I'll just do it my last. loud myself because I'm on the wrong tab.

No, that is. And if you listen to this little bit of the beginning, you hear that. Oh. Predator. Yeah, you had it almost. All right, it's okay. You get warmed up.

It's okay. It's warm up. Yeah, it's a warm up. I wasn't sure that the music for some reason felt like 60s and not 80s. But yeah, no, it's fair enough. I'm going to make a little note here. We got zero on the first one. Zero for one.

Yeah, that's easy to keep track it. No, I don't. But I also know if I don't start writing. it down i never will all right here's number two all right um no hints here i'll just play it here you go look at me we're all just looking out for something real okay it's a little tricky just looking out for something real i will say some of these are obvious and some of them are you know a little tricky yeah that one's tricky and i'm not looking at the tadpool for this um none of them know it yet seems like look at me i'm just looking for something real i'm gonna guess

she's not but it's not blade runner i was thinking like replicant kind of thing stepford wives uh now let's see what uh i mean it's not really science fiction i got nothing on this uh let's say let's say blade runner be even though i know it's not i'm going to give you a correct blade runner 2049 that is blade runner 2049 well done cool all right that was princess bride telling um pretty boy jim over there that he was uh you know whatever i don't know she was saying but that that was the deal so Well, well done. Your instincts were correct there. Nicely done. Woo.

Well, all right. All right. Let's try this one on for size. But God's sake, what now? Who run, Bader Town? That'll be Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. I am putting you that down before you even answered because I knew you'd get it. Now, real quick here, side note, this new book, Blood and Chrome, the making of Mad Max Fury Road or whatever, this book, this book,

that just came out. Apparently, I got to get my hands on it, but there's a, there's stuff in there where, for a while, they were considering, so there's two, two bits of casting things in that it blew my mind. For a while, they were considering Eminem for the role of Mad Max. Oh, no, really? Yeah, like legitimately, apparently, George Miller was so into his eight mile performance that he was like, I think I can make this work. And maybe he could have, I don't know, but he ended up not doing it, obviously. Hi, my name is Mad Max. Hi, my name is.

He'd be a better war boy. Just paint him up white and make him a war boy. I'm trying to decide which one of Morton Joe's girls I want to impregnate. I had a baby brother. He was perfect in every way. So he didn't do it, obviously. But then there was Army. So I guess Army Hammer.

And Tom Hardy were in the same room auditioning the same day. And at some point during his performance or his audition, Tom Hardy spit in the direction of Army Hammer for no one knows why. Oh, my God. Is it like a Richard Kind accidental spit thing? Or he just like said, puh on you Army Hammer. No, like that. And we're like the second, like kind of a vindictive spit on the guy. And that's according to the book, why.

why he went with Tom Hardy because he was like, I need this kind of, I need this level of like, weird. Yes, it's British, British accent. And you're baking soda. Anyway, I gotta get that book. I got to get that book because apparently there were some really hard stuff to deal with.

I'm amazed you don't already have that. I'm amazed that they didn't send you an advance copy. I know, right? I'm bummed out that I don't have it yet, but I'm going to get it. All right, here's one for you. All right. So quick, this should be, I don't know if this is easy or not, but here we go.

Start the reactor. Okay. Start the reactor and then he gets cut off. Can you play it one more time? Start the reactor. I don't know what the freem part is. I must have cut that weird. It's not doing.

Is it like he's about to say Freeman or anything like that? Start the reactor. Jeez. And he sounds like he's dying. Yeah. Well, it's just good. I like how you do this. Chipping away.

chipping away at it. It's good. I'm going to say, geez Louise, I got nothing. Start the reactor. Crap sci-fi movies all have a reactor. Yeah, they all do. Yeah. There's a lot of reactors.

Start the reactor. I know we said we do these fast, but I can't. I've got nothing. I'm going to say, let's say, Dune. Dune. Incorrect. The answer is. A little recall.

Boy, the chat room had it in Spades. They got that one quick. That was Quato. Oh, that's Quado. Yeah, Quato going, that's the Pummy Monster. The reactor. And this is after he was like, his host who had gone down. And he was laying there.

Right. All right. Here's your next one. Okay. This should be easy. I got him. Great kid. Go get cocky.

Yeah, all right. That'd be first Star Wars. A new hope. Yeah, new hope. The new Pope. Yeah. You young Pope. Yeah.

Well done. All right, how about this one? This one's probably also obvious. It's not at first, but then it becomes obvious. Your move, creep. Oh. Up away from your weapon. That's a robo cop.

Hopper burpipi. What's your name, son? All right, here we go. Next up, this one's tricky. You are not in Kansas anymore. Oh, geez. Okay. Yeah.

I'll play it one more time You are not in Kansas anymore Jeez Yeah that's super familiar Is that The chat got it But only one so far Oh two now two have it

Oh my daughter got I'm not in Kansas anymore Is that escape from New York Let me find out Is it escape from New York Now The answer is Avatar Avatar. God, it's funny how some of these sounds so much older.

I know, right? Wow. And some of them, I mean, I got them all off YouTube clips, so some of them might be, like, crappy versions, which might help me in my ability to stump you. I don't know. Yeah, no, it does. It definitely helps. You know, I need to see that.

I only saw that movie the one time in the theater. And I guess as we get ready for the 48 sequels that are coming out, apparently all at once, when James Cameron finally gets done with him, they want to be ready. Yeah, I'm not a hater. I think people don't like it because it's just too popular and people don't like it. It's like Frozen or anything else where it's just so popular. Exactly, exactly. I liked it.

Backlash because of its popularity. I saw it twice, three times maybe. I enjoyed it. All right, here's one. Come with me if you want to live. That's, uh, uh, is that, that's the original term in here, isn't it? Correct. Well done.

Yeah, it's Reese. Reese. Reese. Yeah, Reese, uh, played by, uh, Sean. Sean Bean. No, Michael Bean. Michael Bean. Wrong being. Michael Sean Bean. Yeah. Although Sean Bean also would have died if he was in it.

All right. Here's one that's maybe tricky. Maybe not. It's a line I wasn't used to. Here you go. Are you, Alice, menstruating right now? What has that got to do with it? Back off, man. I'm a scientist. All right. Yeah, that's a ghost busters. That's, uh, I think that's during the ESP test, I believe. You are correct. Nicely done.

It's just one you don't hear as often as like this man is a penis or whatever. Yeah, there's so many other quotes in there. We came, we saw, we kicked its ass. Soveremohemian says, an old Western. No, it was a ghostbusters. All right, here's one for you. Enjoy this one. Clever girl.

Okay, Jurassic Park. Nicely done. Easy one. That was a softball. Okay, this one might be tricky. We mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling. Oh, that's all I'm getting? Yeah, and the trick there, or the hint there, may be the music, though.

I'll play it again. We mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling. Oh, that music is super familiar. It sounds like Jude Law talking, maybe not, though. You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling. Jeez. Yeah, the music is super familiar. And I will say we did this for Filmsack, if that helps.

Yeah, yeah, I'll bet we did. Ding. Tricky one. It is a tricky one. Let's say Deep Star 6. You are, are you correct? No, I know I've got. That is Inception.

That was Tom Hardy. Inception. Oh, it really? Oh, that's funny. Wow. Yeah, Tom Hardy talking to Third Rock from the Sun. Joseph Gordon Levitt and it's about to shoot something out of the sky

and also proof that I don't think he can be I think he physically can be James Bond acting can be James Bond I don't think this voice You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling I think it's too Tom Hardy has a higher register and it's fine for almost everything else he does

I don't think it's Bondi No You know I think he's great in every other way I really like him but I think that's a weird thing All right here's one for you You probably get this says he's too short. I think he's taller than Craig, isn't he? I think he's, yeah, I think he is, isn't he? I think he's taller than Craig. Free Rangers, he does not mumble too much to be

Bond. He's in lots of movies where he doesn't mumble at all. Yeah. I know he does. Mad Max, he mumbles. I get it. I don't watch a Venom because that voice, uh, I mean, obviously he's affecting an American accent, but he's, oh, it's just hard to watch him. Yeah, I don't like that. You know, it would have been fine. Eddie Brock could have been, uh, British, totally fine for the Venom movies. Yeah. I agree. Just let him be himself.

No problem. Yeah. Edward. Maybe Edward Brock that way. That's what you do. Yeah. Edward Brock. Yes.

Here's one. This is another film sack film, so that's your hint. What the hell is going on around here? Who are you people? Is that invasion of the body snatchers? You are incorrect. That was. You're close, though.

It's third, sorry, close encounters of the third kind. Oh, that was Drifeth. That was Richard Dreyfeth. Wasn't it? I almost said. It's worth something. I can make some, I can make a mountain out of these mashed potatoes.

Massed potatoes. He did the weirdest tweet the other day. He said, I'm so grateful for my 300 plus film career, whatever the number is. And he goes, in the first half, there's some real bummers in there,

but not because they were bad. They just didn't match up with what their potential could be. Then there's some really great stuff in the middle. And then some really terrible stuff in recent years, but those were about the money. That was the tweet. I love it.

Oh, my God. That's the greatest, like, the greatest Hollywood admission in years. Yeah, I love it. There's some real truth there. Okay, here's your... Everything after Mr. Holland's opus has been crap. I mean, the guy's, what, 70-something, so he's getting there. Here's one that is so stupid and obvious, I don't even know why I included it.

But here you go. Okay. Do you know what? oh my god I'll do it one more time I'll play it again buried alive buried alive

yeah shit what is that oh my god it seems obvious doesn't it um the part that happens after that oh it's a con

that's con saying it about uh it's uh Star Trek 2 Rath a con okay I'm gonna play the whole thing yeah there you go you would have had it Yep, well done.

You get a point. All right, so now we have two left. Here is a tricky one. You'll recognize the voice, but will you recognize the film? Nature can be lethal, but it doesn't hold a candle to man. Nature can be lethal, but it doesn't hold a candle to man. Can you play it one more time? Nature can be lethal, but it doesn't hold a candle to man.

All right, I think that's Samuel L. Jackson, would I be correct? You would be correct about that, yes. It's totally him. Yes, he is in some echoey space. That might help as well. Yeah, okay. That narrows it down to half his movies. He is often in a place like that.

You're right. Yes, exactly. So I don't think it would be, you know, I mean, it sounds like that line could have easily been from Jurassic Park, but I know it's not. Nature can be lethal, but doesn't know. Kindle to Man. Is that the deep blue sea piece of garbage? You are correct. Well done.

Nicely done. That was great. Suss that down right to the thing. Good job. He was about to get eaten there. He didn't know it, but he was going to be eaten. Yeah, exactly. The famous last word, Samuel.

Yep. And it was like right. It was like 15 minutes into the film or something. All right. Final one, maybe the hardest. Oh, God. Okay. I don't know if it is or not.

Maybe you'll get it right away. Here goes. The day the earth stood still. Oh, my lord, you got it so fast. Latu barada, Nicto. Nicol. All right. So that, oh, shit, you know what I stopped doing?

It was writing it down. I lost track on the score. That's all right. I think I probably was getting 50-50 on that. Yeah, you did all right. Yeah. Do you know how many total there were? There were one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

11, 12, 13, 14, 15 total. 15, I probably got 7 then. That would be my guess. I'm going to say you got 10. That to me is, I made that up, but you did great and well done. Congratulations. Brian, you've passed the test. You can now recede into the West and remain Galadriel.

When we play the game where you play me a spice girl song and I have to name which spice girl is currently singing, that's the, by the way, do you notice that they are They're coming out with Lego blockheads of the Spice Girls. About 48 people have either texted, tweeted, or Facebook posted me a link to the new Spice Girls Legos. Oh, look, I know this for a fact that if there's a Spice Girls related to anything, you immediately tell Brian. I'll give you an example. I'm going to pause the YouTube for this because they'll strike me for this. Why is it not pausing?

Oh, it is. The YouTube will go, stop right now. Thank you very much. Yep. I'm going to get banned your account, you piece of crap, they'll say. So here's what I sent Brian. I think this will work. Hold on. Let me make sure. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is great. I'd never heard this. Yeah, see, and that's funny. The thing is, you haven't heard it? That thing is, it's at least two years old, maybe three years old.

Never heard this. All right. System of a down, want to be. Well, here it is, chat. I'll play it. You guys can hear. That's good, really, really want. So tell me what you want, what you really, really want. I want to, I want a, I want a, I want to, I want a, I want to, I want to really, really, really want to sing and sing. Oh, that's good. Yeah, it's great.

However, that's at least the third reaction clip I've gotten in the last week of that song. And I tend to think 99% of those reaction clips are fake, because it's like, watch me react. to this song. Well, how did you know you were going to react to this song unless you heard it and knew you would have a reaction to it? No, they're almost always fake. The only time that they... It's always the same thing. It's like... Yeah. Because if you're going to stitch, either way, if you're going to hear it, if you're going to hear it on your own, or if you're going to stitch one in, you have to make the choice to stitch it. You don't randomly hit a video, not know what it is and start stitching it. Right, right. Exactly. It's like all of a sudden, all right, well, I got a new

song from a new indie artist, but it's something new to me, so I'd better watch myself reacting, or record myself reacting to it. Yeah, that annoys me. But I like that mashup a lot. I don't know why. That's awesome. Super got into it. Not system of the down, though. It's a... Not system of a down.

Down with the sickness. Down with the sickness, yes. What's the band, though? The band is... The band is disturbed. Richard. Disturbed. Thank you. Jeez. Richard disturbed. Richard. Cheese. It's Richard Cheese. from whatever the Left for Dead or whatever the Dead movie he did that for. You should send him a message, a text and ask him if he still hates cameras.

Just see what's going on with that. Hey, how you feeling about all that social media now, cheesy? Yeah, what's going on, buddy? What's going on? All right, Red Fraggle's coming in. I bet he's fine. I bet he'd love some attention right now. Oh, he'd love it.

As far as I know, he doesn't have a lot going on, right? He's sort of just sitting there in. He's re-releasing his old albums. Thank you. No offense to him, I suppose. All right, check this out. Plenty. Plenty of offense. Plennyville offense, his direction. Hey, that music means it's time to read this with our old pal Amy Robinson,

aka Red Fraggle 3 in the chat. Hello, Amy. Welcome back. How are you? Oh, I don't hear Amy. Oh, no. She's muted. She's decided that she'll be doing American Sign Language today. And she'll be hanging up. Yep, she'll be hanging up immediately. I'm going to hit Ring again. Let's see what happens.

Maybe we'll get lucky. Maybe we won't. Amy, you there? I don't know. Oh, I don't hear Amy. I'm going to pause everything once again. I'm going to put everything on pause. Hold on a second.

Oh, we hear you. We got her back. Hello. Chuck. Yeah, Chuck. See, it's always Chuck's fault. It's not Markets, Chuck. He did it, didn't he?

He fiddled with something, didn't he? Changed it. I have no idea. I have no idea what happened there. But, yeah, I just had to restart the score to kick it. Look, when you share a significant other, or with a significant other, you and you and that person share a computer, there's always going to be this. I mean, if Nicole and Mark taught us anything, it was that. It's always going to be some weird thing going on.

Did you go, can I kick it? And Chuck went, yes, you can. Can I kick it? Yes, you can. Yep. The beat was hot over there at the Fraggle House. Hey, Amy, it's good to have you here. Sorry about all that.

I don't know what's going on, but we're back. We're here. That's all my fault. That's my mistake. What I did, I changed it to push to talk, and I wasn't pushing a button to talk. Oh, yeah, that's required when you have pushed a talk on. You got to push that button to talk. Yeah, I know.

It's right there in the name. Well, all right. So, welcome. Hey, we're going to talk about, you know, some recommendations today. You come on the show and talk about reading and books and stuff like that. Sometimes it's a book. Sometimes it's an author. Sometimes it's just, hey, what are we talking about?

And I'd love to know what today's about. So what are we doing? Well, mine, the inspiration for today comes from a couple of different places. So, for starters, last week, it was, it was just as well that last week's show was pushed because I could not have been on last week's show because I was chaperoning a bunch of high school kids at a theater conference. Fun. Because I am, I don't value my life, I guess. I don't know. How many kids or how many chaperones per kid?

What's the ratio? Because that's usually the hard part. If you have enough parents, it's easy. But if it's just like you and 20 kids, it's really hard. keep we had about we had about four kids each that we were responsible for and that's because we were you know we were all driving them ourselves it was largely the number of chaperones was bigger than it needed to be because he needed he needed car space more than he actually needed warm bodies so that made it a lot easier so we were only responsible for four kids and in my case one of those kids was mine sure so i would hope so you gotta have some in yeah yeah nothing a kid like more than their mom chaperoning an event where they go with all their friends. They love that. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Well, it was him and his girlfriend. So, yeah, that was interesting. Did you find some kids in a corner making out or anything weird, like any kind of cool like busting kids for snorting something off their finger or whatever? I don't know. What a kids do? No, I did not. But I will tell you what, apparently I got some cred as the cool mom

because, man, the kids that were in my car were spilling a lot of really hot tea. in my car on the way back like they were all like landing at all hang out oh the hot tea okay so this is a term these are teenagers that are like oh let's go out get some hot tea to drink no they when you say hot tea you mean like gossiping about oh oh oh oh oh got you okay I was I was thinking man these are the weirdest kids uh what what tea shop did you pick them up ice you were just saying so the hot goss I yeah I had heard this I've heard that phrase one other time I think is my aunt used to say hot tea. I'm glad you knew it. Yeah, that's crazy. So, so did you get anything good

out of that? We get some, uh, oh, I cannot, I can either confirm nor deny. Wow. These kids are living, yeah, it was good stuff. They were, they were spilling. But anyway, it may be very nostalgic for when I was in high school and, uh, you know, because I used to do a bunch of theater stuff too. But let me tell you, man, the level of performance that's coming out of these high school kids now. It's amazing. They did a Cirque de Soleil style show. And I forgot they were high school kids. I was like, how the hell does their insurance cover that? That's great. I mean, yeah, it was, it was really impressive. Some of these kids are really, really talented. Are you saying the future's bright? We all might need to wear shades. These kids

are going to kick butt. They're all good. Is that what you're saying? You got future. You've got hope in the future. Yes. That is indeed what I'm saying. I think there's definite potential for some good entertainment in the future. I think there's a whole generation of, let's say, 10 to 20 year olds who are going to take this world back and make it better than all the olds made it, if you know what I'm saying? I really do think. I'm hoping for that, man. I have a feeling. I just have a feeling. I could be wrong. There'll be a few bad eggs. There always is, but I just think there's a movement coming. We'll see. Hopefully not a bowel movement. No, no, we don't want a bowel movement. That's why that's why you bring chaperones. Nobody poop. Nobody poop. I'll tell you

parents um all right hey clean up that tea yeah so yeah so that made me nostalgic for when i was in high school it also occurred to me that this month is february which is black history month and i remembered there was this book that i read when i was in high school um by an author named gloria naler and the name of the book is mama day and it was i actually read it several times after I graduated, you know, after college and whatnot. I made Chuck read it just recently. It is an excellent book and it is, it's all fictional. It's sort of fantasy, but it's set in a fictional island off the coast of Georgia and South Carolina. And it's completely, like exactly on the halfway mark between Georgia and South Carolina. Thus, in this world, it's not part of either state.

And it's sort of, that island sort of owns itself because the, there was, back in 1823, there was a woman who was a slave who sort of cast a spell over her owner and got him to will the land to her and her descendants. And so, oh, interesting. Yeah, it's, it's really, it's a really, really interesting book. And it's, it's set more modern day. the really cool thing about it is that she writes it in various perspectives so it's written like parts of it are written in third person omniscient and parts of it are written in the first person but it'll switch between which person is the first person perspective and it's easy to keep track of like you can tell who you know where where things are happening and what's going on but it moves moves quickly enough that it doesn't it doesn't leave you bored you know you're not like okay yeah all right with we're with george again uh-huh okay yeah get on with it like by the time you're saying that they've switched back over to another character or something and so it's it's it's really

interesting um and it's sort of i think it i think it's fair to say that like the the culture in the book is sort of inspired by gala culture and um and things like that but it's it's really good i really enjoyed it and it's i think it's it's a really it's a really fun read it's pretty easy read but um you know because i read in high school but um but it's i'm gonna say this came out and let's see 88 it came out i'd never heard of this i'd love the i love the idea of uh mixing some fantasy into a into a slavery tale you know what i mean like something about that i really like that i'm gonna have to check it's really interesting because like almost the the magic is where you know they they are kind of reclaiming their power and they just have their own space there and they and

there's a guy who comes over from the mainland and they have to kind of tell him no no this is how we do things here you know and um so it's it's a great it's a it's a great book i really enjoy it really recommend it um and i felt like it was a good opportunity to you know recommend a black author since it's uh it's black history meant yeah why the heck not yeah for sure this seems really great. There's a whole, see, I'm looking at her Wikipedia page. She's got a bunch of books. I know I've heard her name before. Oh, women of Brewster's Place, or Brewster Place. So that's a famous novel. Oh, okay. That's why I know Gloria and Ailer. I think we had to read that at some point. Oh, really? Junior high or high school? I don't remember. It's an older book.

Let's see. 82. It's their first book. I guess that's the one that really brought her on the scene. And then she did the men of Brewster Place in 80 or sorry, 99, like a follow-up. I want I don't know what that was like. Her last book was in 2005, a book called 1996, which I assume has to do with the year, 1996. I don't know. It seems like a safe bet, right? Seems like I'm okay, making that assumption.

All right, good recommendation. Gloria Naylor, go find that book. It looks like it's available everywhere, easily, and still in print, so you can grab it now. Audio book and Kindle and everything. I got a link on Quick TMS for the, whole Amazon page where you can choose your format. Oh, nice.

Choose your adventure. Passed away in 2016. Not available in that version, sadly. Passed away kind of young. That would be a little intimidating in that world. I would be like, I don't know what to choose here. There's a guy with an old whiskey still

and there's like an old woman who's kind of a shaman and it's like, I don't know, I wouldn't know which way to go. They had a TV show based on this Women of Brewster Place deal. Oh yeah, here it is. The Women of Bruce Place, 1990 television show. It was just called Brewster Place, and Oprah had paid, was the producer.

Yes. Yeah, I remember that. I think that's why that name's ringing so familiar to me. Anyway, that's awesome. Do you have any of the Deborah Harkness stuff? I have not, but I'm going to write that down now. Okay. DeBora. You guys know me. I'm always on

the prow for... There's a lot of magic fantasy kind of stuff too that, well, we'll connect to a future. It'll actually connect to a future recommendal of mine. Oh, really? Brian,

giving us mad hints here on the show. Mad hints. Angry, angry hints. Yeah, my favorite board game as a kid. Mad hints. All right, hey,

great job, as always, always good to have you on. Anything else you want to mention or tell people about where they can find you, that kind of stuff? Sure, yeah, you can always follow me.

You know, I'm Redfragel 3 on all the places. Twitter, you have to spell it out, but on TikTok, it's just a letter it's just a number three and you know brought to you today by the letter three that's great I love it brought to you today by the letter three I was just on weight you haven't seen with TV's Travis this past week we talked about the movie the apartment and so that was a lot of fun I had technical difficulties on that show too so it's not

just you guys you know what's great about that show with TV's Travis he had me on as well and we did the movie Wanted, which I'd never seen, the Angeline and Jolie. That's what the bullets you can direct. Yeah, a little English on that bullet. Yeah, based on a comic and all that. So I thought, well, I'll watch that. But because I did that with him and on his show, it's permanently in my head that we film sacked it. But we have it.

I just think we have. Because it is a perfect film sack movie. Oh, yeah. That movie is definitely sackable. Can't get it out of my head. But he's a good guy. He'll probably be on one of those days. Ryan's gone in May, or March, is when you're going.

Anyway, hey, that's great. Have a fantastic week. I look forward to doing this next week. Thanks, me too. Bye now. All right. There she goes. She's off.

She's off to land of book reading. Let's get in, let's get in a, Deborah Harkness. I'm trying to think if we got time for one of these. Yeah, why not? We're going to do one new story, and it starts with this. I don't watch the news. Brian, who's this news brought to us by? It's brought to you by Luke Johnson, who's a patron who says season four, The Gilded

playlist is ramping up and will hit your podcast players in January. Each week, panelists and listeners anonymously throw five songs onto a playlist, and after sudden marination blind voted, we gather to see which songs are tossed aside and which received enough votes that were written in their place in the Gilded playlist.com. Join us at thegilded playlist.com. Nice. Jesus. Do we still have time for? Yeah, we got time.

We got time. Okay, good, good. And it's a Vegas. The Gildedplaylist.com. Nice. There you got. There you go. This is a slot machine story in Las Vegas.

We always, we always like those. Oh, look that. Appropriate. Yeah, the website, by the way, for Viva TMS Vegas is up. There's no information on there except for that fun looping video of flying over old Las Vegas. Oh, good. Nothing wrong with that. I like that. Slot machine in Las Vegas malfunctioned and did not tell a tourist that he won.

The gaming board tracked him down and got him his winning. So the next time you think that they're just out to cheat you, sure the house has an advantage every time. But if you think they're out to cheat you, They actually do good sometimes. This is a heartwarming story because the casino could have easily said, don't do bad. Yeah, it's your fault. But the gaming commission says nay.

After, let's see, the tourist hit the jackpot on a slot machine last month. He was never informed due to a malfunction in the machine, according to gaming officials there in Vegas. Now, after an exhaustive search, the Nevada Gaming Control Board says they have identified the winner of nearly $230,000. That's awesome. Yeah. January 8th, the man later identified as Robert Taylor. Let's see, played a slot machine in Treasure Island Hotel and Casino, gross. Due to a communications error, according to the gaming officials,

the slot machine malfunctioned, did not notify Taylor or the casino personnel that he was the winner. By the time the air was noticed, they were unable to identify the man who was from out-of-state. Gaming Board took an exhaustive search to make sure the man was awarded his prize. To identify him, here's what they had to do. They combed through hours of surveillance videos, several casinos that the guy visited. So they have video from all of that. Interviewed witnesses, sifted through electronic purchase records, and even analyzed ride share data provided by the Nevada Transportation Authority.

Wow. Really? Yep. And one of the ride share companies doesn't say who. Probably both. According to a news release. I say both. Seriously.

If you would have had a player's card, this could have been done in two minutes. Right. Exactly. Right. But he's like me. He's probably a dude like me. He's like he came in, put a few. bucks and something, said, whatever, and walked away.

But anyway, the jackpot winner is determined to be Taylor. He's a tourist from Arizona. He's getting his money. What a nice, what a nice story, you know? The guy in Vegas got his money. What a nice story. All right, there's your story for the day. It's pretty cool.

I hope if I ever do this that they would track me down. That'd be nice. They would totally do. They would totally track you down. This happened to my mom in Blackhawk, which is, town. It's the gambling town closest to where I live. She won

something. She hit the cash out button. It didn't spit out the paper ticket. She put the service button. Nobody came for like 10 minutes. She finally got up to go get somebody. Apparently it did spit out a ticket after she left. Somebody took that ticket.

And when the people came back like, no, the ticket's gone, but it's all right. We'll figure out who it is. And they analyzed security video and they found the person who took the ticket they were still in the casino oh i was going to bring it to the desk yeah yeah i'm sure someone on this planet would do that but if you're going to do it you do it right away exactly you don't hold on to it that's just not the way baby yep yep uh break time we're going to take one when we come back Wendy'll be here that's right my sister's back with her

uh her knowledge in the world world and workings of uh social issues and uh dealing with uh your own personal stuff she's a therapist is what i'm trying to say and uh she'll be here to talk about some of that. We've got a question from a listener. That's all coming up right after this break where Brian has prepared a song. Yeah, this is another fun one from the UK. This is a band called Los Bichos, and we've played Los Bichos before. What's great about this band is that they all have, they all come from different countries, different backgrounds. So you've got Turkish psychedelica, you've got Argentinian Cumbia music, you've got Peruvian chicha music and a little bit of surf rock and it's all combined into one song and it's great this

whole album is really really good uh the brand new album is called let the festivities begin just came out on city slang and big thanks to uh katherine from motor mouth media for letting me know about this one here is one of the first singles we've actually played another track early advanced track from this album months ago but uh this is the the brand new single it's called The Link is About to Die. Here are Los Bichos. I'm going to be. I'm going to be.

I'm going to be. Oh, and I'm going to be. I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be.

I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to be I'm going to be. You know, I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to do. . We're going to be able to be.

I'm going to go to be. So, I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be. I'm going to do it. I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be. We're going to be. I'm going to be able to be.

So, I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be. You know, I'm going to be. I'm going to be the I'm

I'm You've just seen one way to meet in every day to meet an everyday situation. You've just seen one way to meet an everyday situation. was it the best way Fisher Price presents The Adventure people And we're back. And we're back.

That song once again was, who is that groove right there? That's good, too. It's grove right? It's groovy. The Link is about to die by Los Bichos from their brand new album called Let the Festivities Begin. I like the sound of their jib. No, the cut of their jib, sorry. The cut of their jib.

Or their jib sounds really good. Yeah, jiblets. All right. We're going to get Wendy in here. Let's see if we get her to the call. She wasn't here last week either because Brian was sick and we didn't have. Because I was sick. I wasn't here.

Finally over that, I think I'm as close to 100% as I'm going to get. There you go. I took about... I never get 100%, but... No, 100% is unreachable. I don't think anyone's ever hit it. Yeah, no, nobody's ever... I've never been...

100%. What even is that? That's a dream world, maybe. When I was 12 or 13, maybe I was 100%. Maybe, yeah. Not now. Forget it. All right, Wendy, no answer.

Let's see why. See, when you're not answering? I don't know. I don't know. Then we get her. There she is. Yeah. Yeah, all I had to do is say it.

And there she is. Hi, Wendy. Hi. Hi, how are you? What's going on? We bring you. a bunch of times and didn't get an answer, so we thought maybe something was wrong, but it appears it was just being weird on your end, and now you're good. You're here. I just had to go to the

bathroom. Oh, well, all right. There you go. Fine. If you have to. Look, take you. And you know, if I just run, it'll be faster than texting and then. Yeah, no, I feel you. We're Johnson's as well. We all have to go to the bathroom at the least convenient times. That's how it works. Yeah. 100% true. That is 100% true. We get it from her mom. I don't know what she did, but genetically, if you say, hey, we need to run up the street and grab a thing. I'll go, okay, I got to pee. And I didn't have to pee before that, but I suddenly have to pee. That's how it works. That could be a whole episode of its own. Let's get into today's discussion. And we missed you last week, but you know, Brian was sick. We were out. And it didn't have you. Brian, you're all right.

Yeah. Oh, I'm fine. Fine now. Yeah, he's good. Yeah, I had a cold. Was nothing nothing stronger than a cold, just a cold. Yeah, he did the double tests and they were all negative. Yep. Did not bring home any Cajun fried COVID. Yeah. Yeah, he was in New Orleans, which we thought, well, maybe, you know, maybe you touched something or who knows what you did. And then, you're good. Oh, you probably still touch something, but it just wasn't COVID. I probably did still touch something. I just didn't touch the thing that had COVID.

I touched the thing that had cold germs. Right. I lick the correct doorknob. Yeah, if you're going to lick a doorknob, make sure it's one that doesn't have COVID on it. Nice work. Well, all right. It's nice to have you here. I hope everything's good on your end.

No COVID over there, right? You guys are good. You're all clear. Yeah, we're good. I don't know why. Yeah. It feels rejecting. Like everyone got Omicron with us, literally everyone I know.

Yeah. Same thing. Circle closes. But, you know, it's, well, one thing, you know, vaccines do work. And at the very least, if you get it with Omicron, you still are having a less bad experience. So maybe you could have fought it off four or five times now. All six of us just had no symptoms and had it. And there we are.

It's possible. I don't know. It's just strange. I know. I hate that feeling. I guess we could all do, we could all do, what is it, antibody testing and find out, but that's not like cheap or easy. Pretend it's over. That's my plan. Is you pretending this is all over? Oh, great. I'm sure that'll work. That's how you get rid of a pandemic. That's how you handle it.

Yeah, that's how you just ignore hundreds of thousands of deaths. Anyway, let's move on. Hey, we got an email that we're going to read today, and it's a tricky one, but we're going to read it. All right. So here it comes. This is from Anonymous. Says, hey, obviously anonymous. Want to bring up a topic for Therapy Thursdays. Have you guys ever covered the concept of being raised slash indoctrinated into a religion and having to come to terms with that and what it means to use you get older? If not, this is my spiel. He says. He or she says. I was raised as a very fundamentalist or fundamental Christian. Secular music is satanic. D.N.D. is Satanic scripture being used as a way to control slash get your way. Sorry, get your way. sort of what get your way sort of household yeah like to get control get your way just a oh it's a get your way sort of house sort of household yeah it's a true there's some hyphens missing there that we need

there should be hyphens there yes or quotes or something yeah there may be hyphens uh sunday morning sunday morning was away for my parents to bring us to church and show off how normal in quotes our family was and how good a mother slash father they were to other people they uh or the quote, how, or say, hey, look at how good we are sort of thing. Hence, why we always were dressed to the nines. We were all very much Sunday Christians. As I truly believe my narcissist of a mother loved religion is a way to exude the most control over her children and church was a good way to show everybody how she was. Anyway, as I get older, I have attempted to discover Christianity for myself. I have gone through the entire Bible cover to cover almost. It's interesting

almost and what if you got hung up in that song's a Solomon or something because that stuff's weird stuff's real weird in there anyway and have really tried to subscribe to the mindset of what being a Christian is something has never sat right with me on this and lately Christianity has felt extremely suffocating to me and I have felt some shame and guilt in the areas of my life that don't line up with the quote Christian Jesus like unquote walk you should be walking I'm now at this sort of impasse where I want to back the F up and take this whole thing with a massive grain of salt especially considering everything else that's going on in life. I just, I won't go into detail my family life has been enormously challenging and depressing. And feeling the guilt from my, from religion, coupled

with that, has made my life quite miserable lately. I've decided I need to do what makes me happy and taking a step away from Christianity seems to be freeing to me. The transition from indoctrination to own beliefs is tricky. And I want to eventually move from hardcore Christian slash religion to spirituality and what it means to me personally. Scott always says his, says his religion is how he treats people, leaving a place better than you found it, et cetera, et cetera. This is all dad stuff. I would love some advice on how to

navigate these waters. Sorry to drone on. It's been a hell of a year. Anonymous. Unfortunately, I think this earlier part in his email says, not to get into too much detail, you would probably want more detail on that. I want lots more detail. Yeah. Yeah. As soon as I read that, I went, oh, that's the windy hole.

Yeah. How has family life been challenging and depressing? I need to know what you're saying. Yeah. No. But it's okay. It's okay. I get it. Like you're saying, you're revealing yourself and it feels like you're just telling everything. And then you're like, ah, this is too much when really the therapist wants to know what your grandparents used to think. Do you think there's like a, I could be wrong about this. I don't know how I feel like there's a general sensibility about this right now that maybe is more than usual. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's just me feeling it. But there's a real disconnect now when you're, you know, the pandemic has had a way of magnifying this where people behave a certain way and you can easily in other times assume that, oh, well, that's just them being churchy and normal and that's fine and that's great and good for them and whatever. And then something like this happens. And then

somebody like that who you thought was maybe, you know, as religious as they portrayed themselves to be, will say and do things that are 100% counter to the things they say they believe in. you know, that hypocrisy, at least as you perceive it, starts to just fall out of everybody during a time where people are picking sides and there's weird tribalism about, you know, even simple stuff like masks or vaccines or whatever. And then suddenly you're like, well, you used to sort of act like you were behaving like Jesus. But now you, there's no way he's doing this. Like I don't see, I can't see Jesus in a red hat at an anti-vax rally yelling horrible things that people across the way. It just doesn't match up. But there you are every Sunday

pretending like you're this thing. I think it's just been so much easier in the last couple of years to see that in a starker relief than we have before. And I feel like that's a little bit of what this person is describing. Yeah, totally. And there's also just a general trend that happened pre-pandemic, but I think also has been accelerated. I mean, first we should note, America is special, right? We think we are. It really is. And specials means lots of things, but we're special in this regard. We are amazingly, we're good at this kind of thing in that, like, we really want to think we're awesome, right?

Like, lots of people are this way. It's not just Americans, but we want to, we're awesome. And then you show us any data that shows we're like not as awesome as we think. We're like, no, we have eagles, you know, like, we're better. And that is not unique to Americans, but we have a special sauce of that, I should, I should probably say. And then Christianity is America has historically been a very Christian nation. We thank goodness, some early folks were like, we need to really separate this from the state because that is where problems have always happened. And, you know, holding that line is really important.

And, you know, anyone who wants to break that line is delusional that their religion is the one that's going to be picked. Like, oh, they'll pick mine. Yeah. Yeah, no, they won't. What if they pick any of the religions you also hate, then you wouldn't want the religion and, you know. So we have our own history with this that is interesting. So someone may be hearing this who was not raised, you know, in a, in that type of environment in a Christian way, but maybe some other religion or even just some other family culture way or sort of different kind of cultural way. I have a client that lives in Saudi Arabia and just absolutely lost her mind at a bank the other day

because they wouldn't let her withdraw money from her own account without her husband standing there. And that is cultural norms. It is tied up in religious norms as well. And the government and the religion in the state have zero separation there. And she just lost her bonkers. She just said, I turn full Karen. And she's like, and he could literally get kicked out of the country if she behaves badly or gets a speeding ticket. Like there's a lot going on in there that is, woo.

And you go, oh, yeah, I kind of like that we can all just fight here freely and no one goes to jail. You know, like it, ah, the comparison. So I just want to point out, like, this is a very specific to the United States feeling. And obviously there's other countries and other places that this can happen to. But we have a special form of this. And one thing to note is that, you know, You know, there's a lot of money that gets made in this department, too, because churches in America are tax exempt.

So they're not paying property tax. They're not paying sales tax. They're not playing all sorts of taxes that the rest of us pay, which I think is, on one hand, it's to encourage. And on the other hand, it's corrupting, right? Like, so it's a tricky followax in a lot of, in a lot of forms. And what this person is describing is a family life that, well, because. Before I say that, let me say one last thing. The trend, this is what I was getting at. The trend has

slowly been dipping of people not coming to church anymore or not claiming their religious identity as anything specific, like I'm a Catholic or I'm a Lutheran or something. Gosh, I wonder why. I wonder why they would want to distance themselves from the toxicity of their, of their, you know what I mean? Like, this is not shocking to me at all, this trend. It makes perfect sense. No, no, no, not at all. And it was definitely happening. And then it, I think the acceleration, you know, I think a pandemic really kicks out into high gear, too, when you can't attend church and you were kind of thinking you maybe didn't know if you wanted to go anyway. You just get to stop.

So I think, you know, I don't know all the numbers from that, but I do know the decline has been through all age ranges, but especially younger people, right? So if you think of what happened in the last, I don't know, 20 years that would give anybody more. access to information about things. Yeah, the internet. So it's like, how do you work in a system where, you know, you take abusive priests and you find up that there were cover-ups and that, you know, all these things you thought were just like so great in your childhood or part of the your family culture or all the positive experiences maybe you had. Suddenly they get tainted. That can be really difficult for folks. And so they're sort of, with things maybe a generation ago, they just had no access to information that would make

them grapple. And it just became sort of, this is their people and their tribe and they don't think twice about stuff. They just kind of do what they do. So I think that's a big piece. I think another piece is people moving around a lot more. And so their exposure to other thinking as well as like, you know, they're not in a small town where everyone goes to church on Sunday and they know if you're not there. Like there isn't quite the same social pressure. So you have a lot of dynamics happening and then you have a lot of like reality checks that are occurring like this email or so we'll narrow it down to to his or her specific experience which is I was raised in a particular family with a particular take in a particular religion that felt suffocating

felt cult like like you're in you can't leave you're this is everything and then it's wrapped around mom's need for approval and accolades. And here's the truth. We could pop religion out of this story and just put it, like, change it with the country club or change it with the school or the mom's group or whatever, right? Like you get a narcissistic-based kind of personality raising children. They're going to find whatever it is that helps them look good and feel good and et cetera. Now, we throw narcissism around a lot.

I don't know if this person's mother was actually a narcissistic. It was narcissistic, but maybe narcissistic like and or incredibly insecure or, you know, whatever else was going on. But it didn't sound like kind of figuring things out for yourself was very valued. Yeah. And that's what the Internet has provided, right? Figure this out for yourself. Now, we can see that it can be dangerous because. Yeah, not all information is correct on there.

Exactly, right? And religion is particularly. Exactly. Well, and prove religion. to me. Ready go, either of you. Can't be done. Anything religion's ever said. Can't be done. Like life after death. That's the whole point of it is if you can't, then you just say, now look, I know, I'm going

I'm translating the Bible this way. Oh, I'm translating it that way. Well, even that. Like, no matter what you say, I could say to you right now, I have my own religion. It's called bugaboo. And here's my, here's what I believe. I believe that this controller I'm holding my hand can hover five feet above the ground all the time. And it speaks to me. And when it talks to me, it tells me, it tells me what to do with my life. life and the other day an apple also opened up and inside was a diamond now i could tell you all of that and you'd say well i need to citation please i need to see some proof of that and i'd say well you got to have faith that's the answer and that's that's the beauty of that's the beauty of belief

and the curse of belief yeah i don't begrudge anybody for belief whatever their belief is you have it and it's fine whatever you're going to do but it in every single case the answer always comes down, well, I can't show you. You have to just believe. That's just it. And whether that offend you or doesn't offend you, I think it just depends on how, I don't know, it shouldn't offend you because that is it. That's all it is. And you may have, somebody may be hearing this and going, well, I have a firm faith. Great. That's great. But you still have a thing I can't see or he can't or she can't see. Nobody can show you. And so you've got this automatic out every time. And it's a little infuriating because what's changed in my life is I used to when I was younger,

I know people who I thought seemed very faithful in that they, they really, you know, really held a strong belief and it reflected in their, in their actions. And, you know, it was a, it was a positive attribute to those people. But I see people now who just use it as this standard get away with it card to say, well, I'm a believer in what? This. Okay, well, what does that mean? Well, I don't have to tell you. It's faith. You have to have faith. You don't have any faith. Like, it's just such a tool now, and I hate it. So there's Scott's opinion. Enjoy it. There's Scott's trigger button. Yeah, enjoy my trigger button.

Well, and I think, you know, one aspect of understanding that is that it's really hard to understand motive, right? Like, what is somebody's actual motive? If I have experienced something that I can't explain that is. is life altering for me. And I want to share that with other people. Like, that's the best version of this, right? But it's also like my experience, and I think everyone else can be like me or should be like me.

We start to get in trouble. And that's very human, right? Like, oh, it's not so bad. And it's not until you've been through something that you really wake up to like, whoa, that is so bad. I can't believe someone else has gone through this before. And you have a new sense of empathy and understanding and that sort of humility of like, yeah,

I guess I know nothing, right? And so when that's lost and can be pretty easily in organized religion and can be pretty easily when there's power dynamics at play or whatever, you know, it can get pretty dang toxic. And when a family needs structure and identity and it's all the stuff we need, right? We all need structure. We all need identity. We all need to feel belong. that we belong we all need to feel safe loved religion guarantees some awesome prize after this life like

let's just all like this is great and and old timers will go yes that's how it was when i was a kid well that's because nobody knew nobody questioned it and maybe someone snuck away and then we just ostracized that person or thought well that's crazy jerry he just took off i don't know right and that's because you lived in a small town or because that that unit was so strong and it served everyone and everyone's feeling good. Well, when you starts to see cracks in things and it doesn't feel good or you don't feel safe, you don't feel like you belong, you feel like you're the odd man out,

like, you know, this stuff starts to fall apart. And that is, you know, just the reality of where this is. And so you take this guy's experience, I think it's a guy. Ari, I'm just going to stick with that. Sure. I think it is too, for the record. But just this idea of like, you've got to tease about. part, what's mom stuff? What's religion stuff? And his, his idea of, I need to back all the way out of

this for a minute is a really good one. Because to some extent, you have to sort of start over. Once you start deconstructing everything in your life that was just given to you, right? It was like, this is what it is. This is what you believe. This is how we act. This is what we do every week. and there was not a lot of room for your own opinion or that you couldn't influence that in any way or ask certain questions like kids pick up on that quickly and you know they can pick up on hypocrisy quickly too right they can just sort of smell it it's like dogs and kids can smell it and so then it just doesn't feel awesome so then then suddenly you're an adult going okay well the construct with how I think about how things work and, you know, it's my place in life and

religion's place in my life. It's really hard to deconstruct that and just like know what to do with it. So I would recommend what, you know, following through with like backing out and starting over and figuring out what really matters to you. But maybe it has some help in the deconstruction part. So you're not sort of floundering and just going to find another place that just feels good for a And, you know, but you really do the work. And this is just human, right? We could, again, replace religion with other words. Like, you know, understanding your family dynamic,

understanding why your relationships keep falling apart, understanding why you don't trust yourself. Right. You know, and you may find the threads that lead back to the culture of the church you belong to as a child or the family you belong to as a child or the literal physical neighborhood you belong to as a child. You know, what messages were you being given? Because a fish doesn't know it's in water.

until you take it out and you go let's see it you're in water and it's incredibly challenging and painful and ego destroying and all the things you thought were safe and good and this is what's the irony ultimately is is when somebody questions or struggles it within a community that doesn't value struggle or questioning um everyone kind of doubles down because it's terrifying and they're not I don't think they're always conscious of that, but it would be really scary to think of losing everything, right? And that's what that means for some folks, right? I think we can, like, watch someone escape a cult and just be like,

wow, that's amazing and, like, hear their story and the people, there are designated therapists and counselors and professionals that work with folks who have gotten out of some of these situations because it is so intricately, like the need is so great to do good work and helping them, right? Because they were really in such a difficult place. I'm not saying everyone's in a cult if they're in a religion, but I am saying there are cult aspects to every kind of group you belong to because it's groups. The definition of cult is that, right?

It's just group of like-mindeds or whatever the definition is. It's not even like necessarily in a fairest definition. It's just, you know, if you're, If you're in a really awesome group of D&D players that play every weekend and you love it and you just live and breathe it together and you can't wait to be together to do it, you're kind of a, you're a cult and not in a pejorative way. You're just, you're, that's what you are and it's okay. And if it gets dodgy because now you have to like drip blood in a bowl every time you walk in to play the game and then they, you know, take your identity. I mean, you know, it gets worse if you're in an actual cult. But you're right.

It's at its core. We're all sort of whatever we belong to, whatever group. groups we associate with, there is this aspect of my identities wrapped up in this, which is why, you know, divisiveness is just so easy to find when we over-identify with belief, right? So there's this great podcast, and now I can't remember where it's, it might be the, I don't know, but it was about policing and racial issues and what we always do. and I am really annoyed. Can I just vent for a half a second?

Yeah, please. I'm really annoyed. We are watching the Olympics. We might be the only ones, but we're having a lot of fun watching it. And I just want to strangle every single reporter who asks the same ridiculous questions about the person's emotional mental situation. I get that that's like the hot topic because that's the angle to take. But I think they've always done it.

And I think it is incredibly reckless and unbelievable that we're asking an 18-year-old. Just like these questions, it makes me so mad. I can't stand it. Like, give me an example of a question. It'd be like, because they're talking about like, oh, you're 90% of this event is mental. And so tell us about your mental. You mean like that kind of thing? Yeah.

And then when they, I think. It's the generic question that drives me nuts of, Hey, how did you feel when you got that gold medal? Well, how do you think I felt? Yeah. I was a little disappointed, honestly. I thought it would be bigger. Yeah. And I, part of me is like, what could we replace this with?

Because I get the point of it, but I also just think, can we not ask the 18-year-old who just accidentally missed the gate on the Super G and cannot, is not going to win? Like, what was that like? It's like, I've spent every minute of my life to be in this moment. What do you think it was like? Like, it's just so maddening. And I get it, but I don't get it. And I think, okay, what can we replace it with?

The person can just stand at a mic and say, this is just what I want to talk about. Like, I love no asking questions. Don't ask any questions. Just let me talk or not. I think most would just walk away, right? Yeah. Anyway, I forgot why I'm on that rant. Because he just felt like letting it rip.

You just needed it. Yeah, that's totally fine. Yeah. You've been feeling that. Nothing about that. I don't know, no. It's a very Johnson. It's a Johnson trade as well.

It's a Johnson trade as well. I need to pee and what was I talking about? There's a lot of going on. So let me, let me throw this at you just real quick about this person's email. If they, this feeling, I think a lot of people can relate to this. There's a feeling that can come to people when they get to, I don't know, maybe it comes with age, but you hit a certain age and you're like, you start to feel a little bit like a lot of what you, quote unquote, believe is Santa Claus for adults and then you start to resent that.

or you go all in like i'm not even i'm not this is not me saying you're all thinking you're all believe in santa claus not what i'm saying what i'm saying is you've made a decision at some point because the conflict comes up in your head where you're you can either call it a a challenge of faith or you can call it a awakening to truth or whatever you want to define it as that may lean you one direction or another by defining it one way or the other but what i'm saying is when you reach that moment, people either get into a rejection of what they have been taught for their whole lives, or they go all in on it out of fear of rejecting it. Is that, am I right about that?

Totally great point. Totally great point. And like Leonard Cohen said, if there's no cracks, there's no light that gets in, right? like cracking of what your childhood mind believed wholeheartedly should happen. Like you should have some experiences or you're in a bubble? Like what, first of all, and don't even get me started what actual Christianity should be teaching if it follows what Christ did, which was like way different than how most Christians practice. This is my, you just basically summed up my entire frustration with it all. like it's just completely pisses me off in every possible way and why people always you know say oh you talk about gospel of blaine because it was all about you know what you do and now you treat other people and that was kind of it and yeah that is what i believe and i think it's as important as anything and i had somebody email me the other day and say i've heard you mention this on the show and i just want you to know none of this works our actions mean nothing it's all about the if you truly want to be safe he was doing one of his whole you know you can't pay your way into heaven and i

What an awesome way to live, though, to just think if you could say it out loud once and then claim that's your belief? That's all you ought to do. Yeah. Freaking F that guy. I was so annoyed with him. And I know he may even be listening right now. And I'm sure he's a nice guy. And we'll hang out and we'll be friends. He seemed like a totally nice guy.

But I think he missed the point. When I grew up, there was a common saying, what was it? Is it biblical by their fruit? You shall know them? basically the idea is if you're a good tree, you're making good fruit. And good fruit means you're productive and you're making a good impact. You're making a difference. And if it's shriveled up shitty fruit, then you're not such a good tree. And you can pretend to be a nice tree. I'm a great tree. I'm the Lord's chosen tree. Yeah, the tree doesn't need to tell you it makes good

fruit. No. The tree just needs to make the great fruit. And I just, I cannot, I cannot abide by this concept that. How many plums? You neither take plums or leave plums, Brian. I don't know if you've heard that. But this idea that you can just, I don't want to get in a specific dogma here or anything because it's not really my point. All I'm saying is if I see somebody who's not religious at all stop and offer help to someone in need, and I see somebody who's suited up, ready to go to church, you know, does all the bows and amends and does all the stuff, but does not stop to help that person? Sorry. It's backwards. This other guy's the religious guy in the definition I'm talking about. Not you in the suit with the fancy car thinking you're somehow Mr. Hotshot at your local church.

Freaking F off. Like, I'm telling you, the people that claim that hide behind the Jesus flag in this country, okay? Oh, I'm going to get emails, man. I'm just preparing for this. The people, the people that hide behind that. Before you go there, let me say. this. And this is a good caveat for every, like, every one of us does this in some form. Of course. Of course. So when you're telling your boss, your boss is like, you know, I'm just excited to listen, to hear the ideas you're all having and, you know, and then talks for 45 minutes straight and doesn't let anyone talk. And then you say, hey, you know, maybe you could listen right now and they're defensive. I mean, that's the same version of this. No, no, you're

totally right. You're totally right. You're totally right. It's not exclusive to religion for sure. It's really just a mastery over. That business is not tax exempt and can do as much. Yeah, that's the other thing. But, you know, tax exempt status plays a big role in this. But my point is like, the battle is that is to be better at that. So for that boss to be a better listener and less of a talker, for that guy to be less quick to say, I think that guy cut me off and instead pay attention to his own driving. You know, the battle isn't, the battle isn't won. Nobody's won it. It's just this process. And it's, you know, it's the whole, it's not about the battle.

It's the war. So you're working toward an ultimate end. I hate the war. I hate the, you know, the war comparison kind of sucks. But the point is like, like you want to be better at life and you're not going to be perfect and you're going to screw up all the time. And, you know, I'm one of those people and I'm not as good of a listener as I am a talker.

And I need to be better at that. That's a great. I'm glad you brought that one up because that's one I have to work on. I don't think anybody should be claiming they're perfect at anything. That's part of my whole point here. But I guess what I'm saying is if you're looking for my respect, you just saying that. If you, oh, back to my original point, a lot of people that hide behind that flag now do it as this default. Oh, well, then I, you're fine because you're, oh, you're a God fear and whatever.

That's fine. I guess then you thinking poor people suck is okay. And I just want, here's what I want. I want all those people in a room. and for the Jesus they all claim to follow to show up and tell them how they're all doing it backwards. That's what I want. Because until that day comes,

they'll keep doing it backwards because it's easy and it's an excuse and they can get away with it and they think they're justified. And I'm not, I'm pretty sure a lot of those people really truly believe they're justified in whatever bad behavior they're doing because they've somehow twisted. twisted it around to be this way.

And I hate it. I hate it. I remember my point from a long time ago. Oh, good. We brought it back. I knew we'd get there. It took so long. Because I was talking about another podcast that I didn't remember.

And it was about policing and racial stuff. And this researcher is amazing because he's like, listen, everyone, when there's a shooting and when, you know, police kill another person with a no-knock warrant in Minneapolis, then we all ask ourselves. Is the cop a racist? And that is the wrong question. Does he believe? Because you ask anyone right now, anyone, are you racist?

And if they say yes, it's the only one being like straight up honest about it. But every single human has racial biases because that's how the human brain works. Right. Now, are you working on them? Have you exposed yourself to other people so that you are less racist? Are you, you know, sure, lots of versions of that. But most of us have biases without questioning them. We just have them, right?

And so he had made this great point of like, we don't, we don't need these police departments to find just the bad egg that's the racist cop that does all the bad stuff. It's the actual way everything works that allows a person to behave in certain ways and their bias shows through. So you, so then what we do is we put cops on trial to find out if they believe what they believe. Do you think black people are bad? No, I have a black best friend. Okay. Then how come you have killed multiple unarmed black men? Well, it's because they threatened me. Well, that's by its very nature, you know, a racist thing. So, I mean, I'm not going to, I don't understand all of it, but I just thought, wow, what a great shift in perspective to stop thinking in terms of that belief is the end.

And this is very individualistic Americanism, right, which is what I believe trumps what everyone else thinks feels and, you know, whatever. like my belief is I mean that's crazy right because you can believe in Scott's weird religion where he floats an orange on an apple off the ground now I can't remember it's so complicated oh is this controller it's a it's a game controller I have my hand it floats both there we go exactly right and so so sort of looking at the greater good can be it's much more difficult right when it's all about well how does this affect me and that's because we have a processing a process in our brain which is self-referential how does that this impact me? What makes me nervous? Why do I feel unsafe? And this is why when every kid grows up

differently in every different scenario, they have certain things that make them feel safe and certain things that don't. And sometimes as they get older and realize some things about their childhood, they never realized because they were fish and water that they didn't know they were in. They start to have to evaluate some of these things. I think that's what's happening here for this person is, you know, maybe his Christian upbringing is getting all the attention and it's really more more deeply held things and so pulling that apart can be really important to see what is what so when someone has been traumatized in a certain culture or family um you know we always want to find I mean think about just your your when something bad happens don't you just want to know

whose fault it is? Yeah. Like, we're so built to like, well, what was his intention? Yeah. Or, you know. And you don't want to be the one that it's at fault. That's the other thing. If it's you,

they're pointing fingers at, you immediately are in a defensive position. Exactly, right? That's all human tendency showing up all over the place. And then we just add a layer of belief on top of it that can be really convoluted. So the part he didn't say much about was the family dynamic, just that it's a hot mess, right? Yeah.

So if this was a client coming to me, first of all, I'd listen to all the things, and then I would say, all right, let's start with the family stuff. Because you're going to go try to fix your belief system that is so integrated with the trauma and the dysfunction in your life, maybe, that, you know, we're trying to patch up an outside thing, though it feels so big and scary and all of those things. Like, let's start smaller and start a little more inward. like what else has happened, what is going on, you know, sort of exploring that. So that would be my advice is, yeah, take a step back from everything and do some work to figure out what's going on. You may have to deconstruct all sorts of parts of your life.

I think it's easier because it's socially more acceptable to deconstruct your religious life and have that be the focal point when that might just be the tip of an iceberg actually and you may miss doing that other important work because this feels, you know, but go back 50, 60 years when there was no social reason that would benefit you ever to walk away from your church community because that's where you were going to get married, get married, get all your benefits that have everyone love you and take care of you, right? And now there's a lot more options. And so you don't maybe have some of that.

But did it mean there was functional, awesome things happening for people? know there's never been the case where everyone's just a hunky door and doing great no that time never in that time never existed like this thing i'm saying about it's all about the battle not the war it's always the process that's hello it's literally the human condition all the way down to the individual like you're all we're all doing it i don't care who it is and how they claim they're not you know you can be tony robbins i don't care man you got problems whatever it is tony robbins is doing it's i don't want to know but i mean i'm not you know i don't want to accuse people of things that run toward. What I mean is, well, actually, I think he was accused of something bad. But anyway, the point is, you was it. Yeah. But these surface veneers are what I dislike the most. And people always say, well, one of the things I like about the Frog Pants Network and the people you work with and the co-hosts and yourself is that you guys just seem like you are who you are. Yeah. And for good or for bad, like me, you know, you may not like it, but we just are who we are and we're not pretending to be anything. We're not. And off air, this is us. On,

air, this is us. And for whatever reason, we've been able to carve out some monocum of success. And, you know, I feel like that's been good. But my point is, it's made me more aware of veneer than anything in this world. Like, I just see it everywhere I go. And you just go, ugh, surface level stuff. But then again, I look at myself and go, yeah, Scott, but you wake up in the morning and you see that mole on your head and you're like, man, if I could just dig that out with a spoon, I would. because I hate that thing. It shows up on camera. Well, what is that?

That's veneer. You know? Or me worrying about the one tooth that's missing in the back. Should I get an implant? Shows up on camera sometimes. I'm worried about veneer. Like, it's just part of us to do that. It is.

And my point is, just, I don't know, freaking fight it. And for whatever reason, during a pandemic and political upheaval, where I live and in this country right now, has just made that stuff more obvious everywhere. And in places you maybe didn't expect it from people you didn't expect it from.

And that makes it harder to deal with. And this listener's case, you know, growing up with a certain idea that already conflicted with, he was experiencing at home, I mean, I can only imagine that that just feels really bad. Like, I think you and I were lucky. We grew up in a house where mom and dad were kind of what mom and dad were, warts and all. And they really pretend to be anything else.

And so, especially dad. He was just, you know, he was. was dad and he also like openly talks about hypocrisy and how problematic it is so it wasn't like we didn't know walked around thinking the world was like oh it's all good and then it cracked open right that never happened we knew there were cracks and and you know there was that kind of honesty about it which i really liked about it growing up and i appreciate it about it the older i get the more i appreciate it yeah um but i don't know how if you if you didn't experience that i don't know how this is that case right i don't know how well that's what we're trying to do we're trying

to help them i don't know how to help them so one thing everyone should know is scott does not talk about poop and farts in real life as much as he does on the show well i've had dinner with them i seem like it was still a lot of poop talk being thrown around all right um carter will confirm and you could take you know people who are just like yes see here's the problem with religion It is not the problem with religion. Because if I go to a TED talk and I say, is this not your church people in here? Is this not church for you? It is.

Right? Like everyone, you name it, D&D. It's your church. Like, we can find everyone's church where they feel excited, hopeful, happy. They're getting what they need out of it. Or in some cases, they're miserable and feel like, you know, it's the way to keep them not burning in hell. Whatever. Everyone's got their same form.

So it's not, here's the problem with religion. Yes, problems come from religion as humans practice it and create it or sometimes. It'll end. Force it. But everything is that it's really just the human problem. And then we show it up in different forms. Are we more dangerous sometimes when we collect ourselves in ideology? Heck yeah.

Oh, yeah, dude. We do. And so that's why, you know, anything can, you know, get dangerous and so so all of that said i want to point out just one more thing for this person like there's a lot of pain here right we can talk about this like bigger structures and you know ways to understand it and that that's typically talking around the actual pain right um because that's what we do we use our front of our brains which is the most newly developed to rationalize to reason to think through to save ourselves save the very deep parts of us from being terrified of death

and being terrified that everything we love could go in a second and also a barricadidas right like that that's what this these structures typically are for and when things start to sort of unravel you know that pain and what it's the difficulty of being a human of being in these complex relationships this is where getting help getting compassion compassion for yourself like this is going to take work just naturally you can't order this online and get it you can't no i mean this is this is work you have to do yourself and i i think i would throw out one suggestion for reading material is to find others who have written an actual book and i get that you can just find this in a couple tweets but i prefer someone who took the time to get it published um just means they had to think about it maybe

a little longer than 45 minutes um cover or kindle uh how hard do we need to go here just needs to be And kind of olden days. I'd prefer them a little older. So, for example, one with Christianity specifically that is C.S. Lewis's writing about doubt. And, you know, I think he became a Christian later. Then his wife died. And he was just like, ah, maybe everything sucks and this isn't, you know, like, what about

reading someone else who's had this journey before you? Or better yet, if you can't find something better yet, reading is if you can't find a real person. find a real person that has you can respect and connect with and understand and this is obviously why the internet is like good and evil right you can find people to help support you as you figure some of these things out support groups still provide support yeah um and so there's a lot of pain and a lot of things to work through so don't do it alone um because that's what really is the the biggest wound here often in cases where people are doubting whatever their their origin origin or tribe is, is that they're really alone. So, you know, you take the, I mean, let's modernize this outside of religion. You take people who have spent the last couple of years preaching the anti-vax gospel and then having to face real hardship because of it or being rejected and losing everything. And then, you know, I'm speaking a particular case of this man who, like that, he built his

life around what Trump was saying. And then Trump gets vaxed. And he's like, what if I built my life? I've lost family. Like a reevaluation, right? Because you can drop everything. Because we value some of this of like, stand up for yourself and do your own research. And like individualism, your rights over everything else.

And then, you know, let's follow these stories in the long run. And losing and being disconnected. It's really damaging to the, to, to a human being. This is why we glom on so hard to things. Because we just can't be alone and it's scary. So funny. It always comes back to that Simpson's quote for me. I always

think of it where it's not even two main characters. It's Lenny and who's the other guy, Carl. Lenny and Carl who work at the plant with Homer and Lenny and Carl did something together and got it done and Carl goes, or no, Lenny goes

we got it done with teamwork. And Carl mutters, or Lenny Mutters, or I think it was Carl. Carl Mutters, yeah, my teamwork. Like, there's something that that stuck with me so hard. I know that it's just a dumb cartoon and everything, but there's something about that lesson of, you know, it's impossible for people to not do this, it feels like, where they're like, well, yeah, my or our blah, or whatever. Some of the chat would have said very, very good, I think, I Fleming said, especially when a particular ideology makes a point of directly saying your group is objectively better than everyone else's group.

It's dangerous. And leaving that behind is disorienting and essential. Yeah, I agree. I completely agree with that. You're now cavorting with all the enemies. And you're like those atheists, they're supposed to be the worst. And turns out there's some of the kindest, best humans you've ever met. What do you do?

Yeah. Well, you deconstruct everything and figure out what, you know, you have to heal, grieve. I mean, I just before this had a call with someone who is grieving. she is leaving her the faith of her childhood and I mean we are having to proactively grieve all of the things it's incredibly distressful so so when people are just like that they're just they just want to go sleep with all the ladies whatever they're way to just not actually see the other person as human or understand or ask questions I mean again it's this is white tribes are what they are and will always be is like how do I stay safe well I conform

or I don't leave or I don't put myself at risk. And so some of the bravest people in the world are the ones that are questioning the culture they live in. I mean, I talked to a couple 18-year-olds who are just like, should we really think about capitalism? I'm like, whoa, if I was 18, I would not even have had that thought. No, yeah. This generation's, they're different. They are not different. They've always been this way when you're 18.

That's just, this is again. Nothing is new. When you were 18, though, what were you asking? I wasn't asking that. I was like, how can I pay money to a college to work for the man? Yeah, I was, that's all I was thinking about is, is there a way for me to sleep on the roof in the sun and watch videos all day and not do anything and still make a living? Yeah, all right. You're right that there's that difference.

And again, in the internet, like, what do you do when you know things? Yeah. Right? It's hard. It's hard when you know things and no more things. No more things. The key is to just go back to living in our villages with our. our own tribes. This would really help.

Yeah. Let's get, let's get Hamlets back. I want Hamlets again. Yeah, we're the Hamlet. Yeah, get some hamlets. The only problem with Hamlets is nobody knows how to make roads around them and then you end up with London, which is just a freaking spaghetti mess, you know? No one knows how to do it. Carter and I were just talking about that. All right. Well, this is all good. I hope that the listener will let us know how things go. And follow up. Let us know. Hopefully your journey through this is one of both enlightenment and kindness and I don't know I usually find this when I'm frustrated I'll usually text Wendy and go what do you do when a bear pa bear and she'll go usually go help somebody and

like forget about that and do something for somebody else that'll take care of it she's right it does it always works so let the gospel of Blaine wash over you um all right uh good stuff Wendy, anything going on with RealStops.org? You'd like to mention or promote? Yes, please. Go to RealSteps.org. Sign up. We are starting February 28th. The next, this, like we call it the spring round.

So it's six weeks, starts February 28th, and we have so much fun things happening. I'm super excited. So please. Yeah. And if you have questions, you can email me at admin at RealSteps.org. And I'm happy to answer any of them. Excellent. All right.

Sounds good to me. It's Wendy, everyone. We'll see you next week. Have a great one. Bye now. All right. You too. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. All right. Well, that was a raucous episode of Wendy's Therapy Thursday. Yeah. Good stuff, though. That was good. Yeah.

Hey, we're going to get out of here. Before we do, though, I assume there's a coverville today. There will be, yeah, after last week's break due to cold. We're back today with two birthdays celebrating Axel Rose, who's only 60. but looks like 73. And singer Melanie, not one of the Spice Girls, not Melanie Chisholm, not Melanie Chisholm,

just play Melanie or Melanie Sofka, if you really want to get technical. She had a brand new key and a brand new pair of roller skates. And she, if you've seen, righteous gemstones, her Lay Down,

Candles in the Rain is featured prominently at the end of a recent episode. Anyway, covers of both of those people on today's episode of Coverville. I might even try and figure out a way to work in John Williams, because he just turned 90. Yeah, 90 years old.

Still composing, man. That dude's awesome. Still, he's still composing, not yet decomposing, which is great. Not yet. Keep that up, and I just jinxed it, didn't I? Oh, no. Anyway, that'll be today on Coverville, 1 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.com. That's awesome.

Do check that out. I love that key song. There's no more new key. Yeah. Something about it. Look what they done. to my song, ma. It's so...

What they've done to my song. It's so good. That stuff transcends time. It sounds like you could have made it yesterday. Yeah, she really is. All right. So check that out later. What else?

Today's Core Day. So tonight, Core at 5pm, live, if you want to catch it that way, or the podcast later, if you want. Big Nintendo releases this week. So lots of talk with me, John and Bo, about that on Core, where we talk about video games and the news

and games we're playing and all that sort of stuff. So if you want to tune in and find out what I think of, uh, dead by, no, not dead by daylight, uh, die, don't die. Deadlight. Day, hey, night. No time to die by deadlight. I can't remember the name of the damn game, but, uh, it's very fun. It's parkour and a zombie apocalypse. And I really like it. Uh, we'll talk about that later tonight. Uh, all right. That's it for, oh, Lost Dark talk as well. That'll, that'll happen tonight. Lost Dark's all to talk

with my, all my action RPG and ML. Is TMS your last podcast that isn't about video games? I'd, hold, Hold on. We've got to check this out here. It feels like it. Instance, core, well, play retro. Yeah. What else? That's it.

You've named all three. Skim, I guess, is not about... No, skim. Film sack. You're on that one. You'd know that one, right? No, film sack. Of course, film sack.

I've heard of that one. I'm familiar with that one. Come on. We did Max Payne. That show is about video games. Let's face it. We did Nact Pain on that show. Good point.

We've done Mortal Kombat. We've done Super Mario Bros. That show is a. about video. I do love, I do love the games, I admit. Well, all right then. We're out of here. All your shows about music. We're going to take our leave. However, a reminder, tomorrow, we'll be back to a PM show tomorrow, and I think Dan will be there.

I've got to check with him, make sure, but that'll be fun. I'll let, well, Brian and I'll talk if it's not, and we'll do apps. If not, then I'll do an app, I'll probably talk about Alien Isolation, which I've bought and spent an hour downloading because you download the game and then you download about an hour of assets. I hate that. I hate that.

That's all right. I'm ready to play this thing, so I'm going to play it. All right. I'm excited to hear about it, no matter what. All right, that's it. Thank you for watching.

Thank you for listening. Frogfans.com slash TMS for our website that has links to everything, including our Patreon and everything else. So get in there, check it out. We're out of here. Let's play a song. What do you got?

Yeah. Ian from Memphis wrote in, said, hey, sousaphone and baritone. long-time listener, first-time caller on Saturday the 12th. I'll be turning the big 3-0. Oh, I miss 3-0. In honor of that, I would love to hear

any cover of or by Rush. I was pretty much raised on the band, I thought he was going to say raised on the radio, and was lucky enough to see them twice before they stopped touring, and I believe everyone could use some more of that Canadian goodness in their day. Thanks for all the great content.

P.S. Rest in peace, Neil Peart. Oh, yeah, that guy's awesome. Happy birthday. in a happy new year. There you go, buddy. 30, it's a big one. So good. Yeah, congrats.

All right, how about this one? This is a cover of, speaking of, well, where is it? There we go. Speaking of Tom Sawyer, which we weren't, been wanting to do something heavier for ending music for a while because we've had some Russian dance pop. We've had some lighter covers. We had some German country music yesterday. How about some just straight up rock and roll? Here is the band.

mindless self-indulgence from their you'll rebel to anything album from 2008. Some of those words I just said were correct. With our cover of Rush's Tom Sawyer. All right, sounds good. We'll see you guys soon. Bye now. I'm gonna never navigate

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