The Morning Stream - TMS 2255: Don't trust the Corn Nut

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

Is that a crossbow in your pants, or are you just happy to see me? There were 5 Highlanders. We were told THERE COULD ONLY BE ONE! HBO Doesn't Care If You Fall Asleep. Flush the Floater. Uppity French Turd Monkey. Horkin' Macha in the Morning. You say Lamb Bear, I say Lamb Bert. Put your Moist Trousers on the Chaise Longue. Nobody Wants a Soggy Dorito. Neil Gaiman, Smooth and Convincing with Amy. Huffing Doritos with Wendy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, is that a crossbow in your pants? Are you just happy to see me? There were five Highlanders. We were told there could be only one. HBO doesn't care if you fall asleep. Flush the floater. Uppity French turd monkey. Hork and macha in the morning.

You say lambbert. Put your moist trousers on the chaise long. I'm glad you had to say it. Nobody wants a soggy Dorito. Neil Gaiman, smooth and convincing with Amy. Huffing Doritos with Wendy and Moore on this episode of The Morning Stream. George Cooper is a scientist. He's putting in the electronic brain at the research center. Well, say, he doesn't have any small portable brains for sale, does he?

Could sure use one in chemistry. I'm about to go down to Taco Bell and give me a blast. The morning stream. Rambling goes in, podcast comes out. Can't explain that. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, March 3rd, 2022. I'm Scott Johnson.

And today, my guest co-host is the returning, the triumphant TV's Travis. Travis, welcome back. Well, thank you for having me back. Heck yeah, man. Like, look, you were great last time. Why wouldn't we try this again, you know? Just to see. Because what if it was a fluke?

What if it was just a one-off? We got lucky. He seemed to do well, but who knows? Maybe today will be shit. But I don't think so. I think you're going to be great. Well, I guess now I don't have any pressure whatsoever. So that's good.

Sorry, I know that I'm way over-caffeinated. Somebody sent me these little, I don't even know what to call them. There's these, okay, so there are these little chie, macha-chi bottle caplet things. you put in the fridge they're supposed to be cold you take them out you shake them up because there's like a little sediment down there but it's full of like macha caffeine match match match tea caffeine in them and uh i hork one of those down once in a while just to kind of give me a little morning focus or whatever because i slept like crap last night too many dreams kept waking up that sort of thing maybe too much matcha tea caffeine but anyway hork that down get on the show and now i'm just full of piss and vinegar man just ready to rock so feel feel happy you showed up today i guess because I've got a lot to say. It's been since last fall, so it's good to have you back. We've got a lot to talk about today. I thought it would be fun to begin the proceedings today,

messing with you a little. Okay. As you may know or may not know, Travis is a huge fan of Highlander, both the movies, the lore, and the TV series and has a show about it and all this kind of stuff. Yes, I do. I wanted to test your actual...

Not not. It isn't like a quiz, but there's some really interesting facts about that, about that series, about those films, about all that that you may or may not know. So you tell me if these are new to you or not, and I'll share them. And hopefully the chat and those at home will enjoy this. For example, here's one. How about this? The script began as a college kid's senior thesis. Did you know that? Yep. Oh, see, of course you did. Greg Wyden. Yeah, he wrote that when he was at USC film school, I believe. You are correct. Oh, UCLA, but close. UCLA. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I always get those mixed up, so never feel bad about that. He was a student in 82, right? It was asked to write a feature-length screen playing in his final project, and this was all just a pass-this theater arts class. And he ended up winning a prize for his deal, and the script got sold, and boom.

The rest is history. Highlander. Yeah. There only one shall pass. Nope, that's not the thing. I can hear Gandalf's yelling, only one shall pass now as Anakin Skywalker took the final blow. Oh, I want to see that. That's not a bad combo, right?

It's a fun little mashup we could watch. Here's another fun fact about that film. The role originally, and you probably, this seems like one you'd know. In fact, I'll let you tell me if you know this. Who was the role originally offered to before it went to, what's his beak? can't give his name all of a sudden. The guy who was the Highlander.

Christoph Lambert. Yeah, him. Who do you think got it before he did? Or who was going to get it? I've heard a few names. I mean, I want to throw out Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sly Stallone, you know, all the 80s action people,

because that's what I MDB trivia would have for you. Totally would. But I can't remember a specific name now. Well, the answer is, Kurt Russell was originally offered the wrong. Yeah, yeah. And that was because of his turns on, at the time, it would have been escape from New York and the thing were kind of still hot and heavy in people's minds. And the director met with him. He seemed ready and excited to take on the role. And then his then ex or his then girlfriend, Goldie Hawn, talked him out of it. I'm sure he doesn't hold that against her at all.

No, I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure he has, I'm sure he has many regrets about not being the one. It would have been a very different movie. I think so too, yeah. Like, I don't know. Lambert's not like Mr. Fancy. Is it Lambert or Lambert, by the way? I go with both. Okay.

I vacillate between the two because he was, I mean, he's French. I think Belgian was his father, but he was born in the States. Oh, I didn't know that. Is that why his accent's so broken up and weird? Because it's kind of all over the place. It's not full, like Belgian, Belgian, French, but it's kind of. kind of half that and half like there's some of that i mean he moved i think they moved away from the u.s when he was like three and um so they grew up in europe got you but he didn't speak

fluent english until i want to say he had done the tarzan movie that he did oh gray stoke the legend of tarzan yeah yeah that was a bad movie but i mean whatever i mean his accent in highlander was kind of specifically supposed to sound like he could be from anywhere like it wasn't supposed to uh but it's just you know it's just the way he talks yeah that's just that guy sure yep um i'm trying to imagine what life would have been like if raden had that role i call him raiden because that's what i think of he's lord raiden yeah uh all right well done how about this one um okay oh apparently he was super dangerous with a sword because he's myopic did you know that yes i did hear that he just you can't see at all so has to wear glasses

or else if they're off, and they always are when he's filming, he's swinging that thing around and really can't see what's in front of him. So watch out. Christopher Lamb Bear's got a gun. And it's not like Highlander is the only movie he's ever done where he's swinging a sword around either. He tended to do a lot of those kinds of movies for a while. I feel like he got,

I wouldn't call him typecast per se, but there was a time where, well, did he ever really break out of that? It's not like you ever saw romantic comedies with him in it, right? No, he was always doing kind of the, kind of those action the movie action is what I think of Fortress

Oh Fortress dude Oh my gosh dude Didn't he do one called like adrenaline He had a lot of single word titles For movies that he was in Drive was one Drive I think it was drive or driver

Yeah for a while He may have had like the lock On the single names While Steven Segal had the lock on like something of something you know for the words like killer or no uh a death death of silence or uh yeah march for death march for above the law above the law there's a real one so no so you had you had lambert was single word segal was was something of or something the and then

van dam was all two word knock off got sudden death yeah yeah uh in fact uh when i was in high school, we messed around and made a movie where we took two John Claude Van Dam movie titles. Yeah. And we mashed them together. Yeah. And so we made maximum impact. That's fantastic. It was maximum risk and sudden impact. That's amazing. That's, and it's basically the same movie, even if you combine them. They're not really that different. Time Cop's the only one that's really unique in the entire Pantheano films. Here's the thing I was going to say about that and I forgot what a while. Oh, do you still have that? Like, do you hang on to things you made when you were like in high school, like movies and videotape and stuff?

a few of the things that we used to do floating around on YouTube. The guy who was kind of our de facto director put up some of our old stuff. The high school stuff, I think there's only one left. It was a movie we made when I was like 16 called

Runner. Oh. Oh, fun. I like it. And that was fun. That's floating around somewhere on YouTube. I'll have to see if I can dig that back up. But a lot of that got lost to VHS tapes and moves. He might still have them though. He's a bit of a hoarder. So he said have them in his basement.

You mentioned Runner and you mentioned floating, floating around, like this type in that video may be floating around. That reminded me of runaway and those things he called floaters. And he'd send in a floater. Do you remember this movie? Oh, wow. I haven't thought of that. It was Magnum P.I.

versus KISS as Gene Simmons was the bad guy. And it's called Runaway. And he had a bunch of little robots that crawled around, but also he had these things. things he called floaters and he was like a future detective and he'd be like all right well we got to send in a floater to see what's going on in there kind of like a bomb robot kind of sort of thing oh boy that movie find that and watch it again that movie is shite it's not good but i loved it when i was younger i think i saw that in high school and then uh we did a film sack on it

and i'll just never forget why can't i think of his name uh magnum p i why can't think of his name. Why am I blanking on his name all of a sudden? What's wrong with me? Oh my gosh. Chat room. Tom Seleck. Geez, Louises. All I could think of was Thomas Magnum, and I'm like, no, it's not his actual name.

I don't know why I do that. I'm Selick. It's a weird, weird name to not remember. My mom loved him and kind of was weird about him, if I'm honest. All right, let's move on to this. Sean Connery only filmed for seven days and then was out of there. That makes sense, though. You know? Like, he's not. He wasn't quite the James Bond level star he had been.

His resurgence hadn't happened again yet. So he was doing these kind of crappy roles. But he was still a guy you couldn't get for three months on set. He kind of came in, got out, and that was as good as you got. No, and in fact, another fun fact about him on that movie is he does the voiceover at the beginning of it. Yeah. Was recorded in the bathroom of his home in Spain. Oh, that's awesome.

That's great. It had this like echoey effect and they just left it. Yeah, why not? Why not? You're shitty. It's a shit movie. movie. I mean, you know, you know what I mean. It's like, you know, they were less worried about it then. Let's see. A couple more of these. The sword sparks came from a car battery. That's

kind of cool. Yeah. So they would have a car battery and they would run the wires down their sleeves. And so like for any of those shots, they'd have to haul this car battery in like a cart and set it out of frame so they could hit, which I can't imagine doing that because I don't want a car battery like lead running up my arm past my hand and no uh nope no thanks uh all right this one's good connery had a no bond rule on set it says here virginia madsen had the misfortune of being cast as mcloud's loves interest in the sequel that that second movie is really bad um when she was hired she was told that the returning sean connery uh had instituted a written policy and demanded no one ever speak to him about james bond anyone who did would be

fired on the spot. Madsen thought it was ridiculous. She told the Onion Navy Club the first day that Sean came to work, I went up and said, hey, oh my, oh, M.G, I love James Bond. And he turned around with a big smile and hugged me. So apparently he was okay if the ladies did it, you know, hubba, hubba. I mean, that seems on brand for Sean Connery. You had a little reputation. That's fine. Whatever. That second movie is rough. although still not the worst oh hold on now let's i'm sorry what do you okay are we looking at the the mario van people's thing or what do we what do you think's worse oh no the the worst one is the there's there's five by the way there are five highlander films yeah uh and the fifth one is by far

in a way the worst is it way though who's did he come back for that lamb baron everybody no uh they have it's adrian paul um oh from the series from the series It's set. Yeah. It's worse because while there are a couple of moments in it that I actually very much like, the movie itself feels like it was made by people who hate the Highlander lore. Oh, okay. All right. And it was, what's his name? Brett Leonard directed it. The guy that did Man Thing. I don't know if you remember seeing that. Yeah, that's a real get. and it was it was originally supposed to be a theatrical release and then it was going to go direct to video it ended up going direct to sci-fi channel oh debuted on the sci-fi channel in like 2007 i think

nice and it's it's not good it's where it belonged at the time yeah yeah all right well that's good to know i will avoid that one uh like the play good it is uh and then finally this one feels like it's aimed at you the tv series was an early internet sensation um a series was a series was syndication from 92 to 98 and often slotted in late night or weekday afternoon time slots. It wasn't huge. But anyway, the series grew into a cult hit. Several

active discussion groups and hundreds of webpages were devoted to the show in the early internet. And even today, guys like TV's Travis making a show about it. Yeah. I did know that because the show introduced the characters of the watchers, which were just normal people that

observed and knew about Immortals, but They never did anything. They just sat back and watched and recorded everything for history. Yeah. And so that sort of fed into kind of internet chat boards and you have like websites of watchers and stuff. And it was kind of fun. Yeah. It definitely became kind of a cult classic.

Yeah. People are into it. If you have never seen it, everybody, I think you can get this on a couple streaming services, right? It's just out there. I know, yeah, I know IMDB TV, their free tier, has ads supported. and the ads are like 30 seconds twice an episode or something. Oh, that's not good. I can deal with that.

So it's not terrible. I actually kind of like IMDVTV. It's a great thing you just turn on and walk away and just let it be on. Yeah. And I want to say the seasons are super cheap on like Apple. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. For like 10 or $15 a season.

I think they've missed an opportunity though. You remember that pop-up video thing that VH1 used to do? And they'd show a video and then little boop and it would give like trivia about certain things in the video and stuff. I used to love that. And it was always for videos you've seen a million times, so it's fine to watch it in this way. Sure. And they should let you do that because IMDB is so chock full of trivia.

Maybe none of which can be truly confirmed is the problem. This might be why they'll never do this. Because, you know, it's crowdsourced and everything or a lot of it is. It would be cool if you could watch something on IMDB TV and turn on a feature that would say, give me the pop-up video version. And then all through the thing, it would go, Boop, this was Max Van Seidow's first time naked or whatever it is, like just little pop-ups.

I would watch the hell out of that stuff. That'd be great. I would. It would be boring for Highlander episodes because I go and check things like Wikipedia and IMDB TV and some other things when we're covering an episode just to see if there's anything I haven't known. And I'm lucky if I find one thing on an episode of Highlander. That's funny how that works out. All right.

Well, that was a lot of fun. Thank you for enduring it. You probably heard a lot of those before. All right, here's what we're going to do now. Thursdays are two guests come on the show on Thursdays. Early on, we got a little bit of the old Red Fraggle, aka Amy Robinson. She's going to be joining us, and we're going to be doing this.

Yes, that's right. It's time for Read This with Amy. Amy, welcome back to the show. Hi. Hi. How are you? Oh, it's right. You're in the car today.

How's that going? I am. Oh, oh, I don't hear very well. You're probably doing it, are you doing it over the speaker-speaker thing or the car thing? Yeah, that's a rough one. That usually depends on the car I've learned. Like, it's not... We're going kind of fast, so there's a lot of road noise.

That's better? That's way better, yeah. Entirely better. Yeah, I just took it off of the speaker part. Yep, you're all good now. Put the phone up to my face. Yeah, good old-fashioned. Somebody somewhere's going to draw.

drive past you and go, get off your phone, they're going to say. Well, thankfully, I am not driving, so yeah, I can deal that at my husband, and I'll just ignore them. Well, we're looking at some time where you've got some, you know, you got some stuff to do during this time slot, but we really appreciate you doing this with us anyway, and it's very nice of you to continue doing it despite that. So thank you for that. Oh, it's my pleasure.

I have so much fun coming on with you guys. I did want to, I didn't want to bring up one thing, one little point of clarification from last week's show. I went back and I listened to it and I realized it may have sounded to a listener like we were saying that it was part of the tripod network that you guys were talking about. Right. I was not. I mean, you know, I did make like little bumpers and sound clips for you and for Lynn and Brian and whatnot. But that was just because I was an enthusiastic fan.

I was not actually a podcaster in that period of time. But I just wanted to just want to clarify. Yeah. And you were you were doing. stuff with like VO and some other, you know, stuff like that. And so you were perfect for it at the time. Yeah, I guess we didn't make it very clear. But yes, she was the voice. She was often the voice of it, okay? That's what we should have said. The voice of the pod, the pod track network. Yeah. That was a long ass time ago. Anyway, all right. Let's get to this week's book. You

sent me, pre-sent me some stuff on this. Do you want me to play the clip and then we'll discuss or how you want to do it? Sure. Yeah. Go ahead. Play the clip. And then we can talk about it after. All right, here you go. I'm an author, often an author of fiction. I write for children and for adults. For about 30 years, I have been earning my living through my words, mostly by making things up and writing them down. It is obviously in my interest for people to read,

for them to read fiction, for libraries and librarians to exist and help foster a love of reading and places in which reading can occur. So I'm biased as a right. writer. But I am much, much more biased as a reader. Okay. That's just a taste of these silky smooth tones of Neil Gaiman. What's the book? And why should we listen to this? Because I'm already interested just in that tiny clip, but why is this so great? He's so good. So, yeah, this book is called Art Matters by Neil Gaiman. And it's illustrated by Chris Riddell. So, and the subtitle is because your imagination can change the world.

So I figured, oh, this is going to be, you know, this is just going to speak to Scott for sure. And probably several of the listeners as well. It's a little bitty book. It's great for just casual pick it up, read a thing. It's mostly like short little essays that are illustrated by Chris Riddell. And the illustrations are fantastic. they're like just little sketchy pencil drawings but they're they're just really they're they're those kind of drawings that do a lot with a very little yeah if you if you haven't heard of

chris redell's work his notable stuff things like the edge chronicles uh late 90s uh children's book which he co-wrote with paul stewart and did all the illustrations on there amazing stuff like award winning illustrator guy um very unique style he he's very cool seems like a great combo to have those two working together. Oh, definitely. And like I say, this is a small little book. I mean, this is something you could give to, you know, I mean, not a kid fans age, but like, you know, a kid that's starting to read, you know, and starting to maybe get

interested in making art, this would be something that could, like, inspire them and say, hey, you know, you can make something simple. One of the first pages is the world always seems brighter when you've just made something that wasn't there before. Oh, wow. I like it. And I can't disagree with that at all. And so it's just great. There's like five or six short little essays in here.

You know, so, I mean, you can read the whole thing in 20 minutes. But it's just good for just, you know, sitting and wanting to. wanting to quickly be inspired and um you know so i just i love it and of course i love everything new game and does but um yeah i just that it felt like i was like you know i'm going on vacation so i'm gonna i'm gonna give an easy book this week that seems like a vacation itself no this is like i love books like this especially you know like i love stephen king's on writing i think it was called um i loved that it was super inspirational even if you're not the plan isn't to write If it's some other venue of creativity or whatever, it's art or, you know, drawing, whatever, painting, both, I found that book to be inspirational just like on a ton of levels.

I imagine for authors even more so, they would be super inspired by it. But that's what I see this as. It's like one of those books to get from one of the greats. And why not? This guy, I don't know how he does it. He somehow definitely makes children content, adult content, everything in between, scary stuff. inspirational stuff. His interpretation of the Norse God stuff is amazing.

I love that book. Love that book. Oh, it was so good. What was I just, that was just called? What was that called? Well, there was North Norse mythology. And then, you know, before that was American gods. I think it may have just been North mythology is the name of it.

Yeah. And that's the one where he basically did interpretations of big stuff in, in Norse mythology. Norse mythology. Yeah. That's hard to say. I keep wanting to say North mythology. Yeah. North mythology would be that the movie North was any good and it wasn't.

That's mythology about that. No, this is great. I'm going to totally get this. In fact, I'm already getting it. I'm clicking it now. I'm hitting by now. So that shows. You definitely should because it's not a big commitment.

It's something you can thumb through and just get, you know, entertained and inspired by, you know, both Neil Gaiman and Chris Redell at the same time. So it's fantastic. Very nice. Very, very cool. And you guys are on vacations? Is that what's going on? You guys are partying? Yes.

We are going on vacation. This is our first like real vacation vacation since before the Panini. Yeah, the Panini. We haven't had one since the Panini started either. Later this fall will be our big post-Panini thing that we're still sort of working on what it's going to be. But yeah, if the Panini could just keep to itself and quit mutating, that'd be great. that'd be great because right now things are looking pretty good.

Although I don't know if anyone heard, but Justin Robert Young may have gotten COVID like while he was, why the symptoms started sitting in while he was on the show on Tuesday. I was like, dude, how did you catch COVID doing a podcast? Yeah, that was weird. He started getting a sore throat that this morning, didn't think much of it.

It felt worse throughout the day that day. Did great on the show. But then later did a test, came back positive. And he was just raving on. unfortunately in a room full of people for their night attack stuff or a great night I guess they call it they they he was just talking about

how he avoided this this bullet you know like oh yeah I'm never going to get it well he should have kept your mouth shut there's right and I hope the rest of that room didn't get it. You invited the demon you know tempted fate one too many times exactly one too many well here's hoping that he has as good a luck

with it as I take you know I had it back in December. I never had any symptoms. And I just, you know, I had to take a test to go on the strip and, you know, it was negative. So, and that was just this morning. Well, that's all. Oh, that was today. And I never had any symptoms.

So, woohoo. Oh, you're, I'm glad you didn't have symptoms because I did and they were awful. Oh, yeah. I knew a lot of people who did. And I just, yeah, it was scary. And like some of the potential long term. damage was also just really frightening, so

sorry, a little boy walked in and sat on my lap and he's being very embarrassed right now. Are you okay, buddy? Aw, hi, Vian. That's a light. That's a light. What? Say hi, everybody. What? Say hi, everyone. Hi, me. Aww.

I'm cute. Don't touch that. It's hot. It's very hot. I get a little floor heater thing. I don't know why he wandered in here. I think the door, I left the door open. And this is like a hazard room. Everything in here could burn him. Okay, there he goes. Oh, no.

I thought I had seen him and then he went behind you. And I was like, maybe I'm seeing things. He was a ghost in the room. And I was going to say something, but I wasn't sure. And then he popped up over your other shoulder. I was like, oh, okay. I did see Van. Yeah, there is a small human in this room.

But I didn't see him until I, I don't know, I turned around. And there's suddenly there's a little kid here. So I'm glad anyway. If I had a pushed back on this thing, we'd be having a very different conversation. Anyway, well, there you go. Amy, I hope you have a wonderful trip. Thank you. Party hardy.

Yeah. I shall. And I will see you guys in April at TMS Vegas. Yeah. Very excited to see you there. Cannot wait. Hugs all around for all of us Vaxed mother efforts. All right.

I don't know what I'm saying. That's right. We'll see you later. Bye. I don't know why I'd said it that way. But hey, what are you going to do? All right. Well done, Amy.

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Not either. But I also never leave my house, so charging my phone is not an issue. But I've never had trouble with low battery anxiety. I don't know why. I don't ever have a low battery. I feel like I'm really good about putting it on the charger at night, and I don't use it so much in the day that it's gone, ever. So I always have, I'm usually like, I have like maybe 40 to 50% battery life at the end of the day.

like I use my phone a fair amount I just run it until the phone says it's at like 15% or lower and then I'll plug it in that's what you're supposed to do right is that the whole deal is you get better battery life over the long haul if you charge you don't charge past 80

and you charge in the 20s or something yeah yeah they say it 20 to 80 yeah I just when it gets down below 15 I plug it in but like I say I never never leave my house for more than an hour or two at a time So charging, it's not a problem. I used to work with a guy who had this low battery anxiety to the point where his phone was constantly plugged in all the time at work. And he would unplug it and walk away and then plug it in somewhere else.

I'm like, dude, what's the point of having the phone if you're just going to have it plugged in all the time? Just get a desk phone. I don't want to throw anyone under the bus here, but a friend of the program, John Jagger, co-host on core, he has this thing with gaming specifically in a phone. he doesn't like gaming on a phone at all and I used to think oh that's just because micro transactions or the games aren't that good or it's all pay to win or whatever like I was thinking those are his reasons and those are some of his reasons but his main reason is I don't want to worry he doesn't want to worry about battery life all the time and because it's a device he's using for more than just a game right it's different than say a switch or something and so I think he's got an adjacent kind of bad anxiety because of what gaming can do to your phone yeah I think that's part of it he doesn't have battery anxiety but he's a carrier he's a care yes he's a carry he can give it to others that's exactly right he's asymptomatic no he has a few symptoms I don't know what I'm trying to say there's nothing medical about this don't take our advice no no let's

see one in eight people according to this recent survey 2000 smartphone users doesn't seem like a very big sample size but whatever six out of ten people said they couldn't cope with being separated from their phones for a day It's another finding of the study. Additionally, one out of eight people said that a dying phone battery gives them anxiety. Well, I mean, if it's down to, let's say your phone's down to like half a percent and you're trying to finish a call, I get that. Is that what they mean? Or do they mean all day they're worried about the moment they're going to have a low battery?

I think they have to be more distinct about that part of the data. Yeah. I'm no expert. So what do I know? It says here, smartphones offer so much, it's unsurprising that we are. are dependent making the common complaints around battery life for real issues, says Peter Heyeran, I think I got that right. Peter, Petri, Petri.

Oh, Haranan. Could be Petri. Hey, Reinen. Hey, Reinen. See, it's hard, right? I'm not making this up. He's with the HMD Global. He said in the same of the survey was commissioned by H.D. Global, home of Nokia phones. Well, that's why his name's weird. Everyone's names are weird over there.

no offense everyone who lives near what netherlands right yeah i think that's right anyway uh does it i thought microsoft still own them do they not own mocha now i can't remember what microsoft owns anymore i forget if they let that poop out and sold the naming rights or i don't remember or finland that's i meant finland yes finland i knew it wasn't the netherlands but i couldn't remember which other scandinavian country how did i do that because finland you know Finland because, and chat room's probably ready for this. Oh, somebody already is. You know what? Shane, I'm not even going to say it.

Not going to do it. I'm not bringing up the baby fish heart or any of that. It's not coming. You guys know me too well. All right. Anyway, there's ways that we can preserve our battery and offset that angst. From using network connections selectively to muting unnecessary sounds and stopping apps from running in the background,

these all help with the cause and keep you switched on for longer. I don't know if that's a good thing or not yeah probably isn't because you know these companies they're starting to have both Apple and Google both have like some of their new feature sets are always like things like

if you're on too long we'll let you know and we'll give you a report every week of your usage and so you can help curtail how much time you're on your phone go out and be in the yard or you know like they're weird like Nintendo used to do with the Wii they would always say hey you've been playing with this for like two hours

you should go outside and do something. It's always weird. Yeah, it's like Netflix saying, are you still there? Or did you fall asleep, binge watching this show? Those bastards. Part of that is them saying, hey, maybe you should, you know, you've been binging this for a long time. But also, I think a bigger part of it is them going, this is how we control bandwidth by turning it off because people just leave it on.

You know what I mean? That's 100% what it is because I have definitely fallen asleep binging, you know, shows on Netflix or I've done it on YouTube. too, and it just keeps going. What I like about HBO Max, they never stop. If that's what I want, I mean, I guess it doesn't bother me that much that I have to hit a button once in a while. It's not a big deal. But we like to fall asleep to Seinfeld for some reason in my house. I don't know why. What the deal is there? What's the deal? With that?

And anyway, because now they're over on Netflix, on Hulu, it would just go in perpetuity until we had the thing we have a shutdown sequence on the TV to turn off so we control that but when they moved to Netflix now it does the pop up and say are you still watching and then it gets awkward and where's the remote and it's like 1130 and you're like I'm tired and yeah ain't that these are these are very first world stupid problems okay it's true I realize that and any of our Ukrainian listeners I apologize for being so petty about such a dumb thing all right I heard from one yesterday. They don't like this to be called an invasion, by the way. This is something I learned. And it's one person telling me how a lot of people feel. So I take this for as much of the sources

I have. I believe him. But he says, yeah, we don't call this an invasion over here. You guys do, but we don't. We call this. It's just war. We just call it war. That's what it is. It's an active war. and now it's an active war and it's a war between the country who started it and us and there ain't no invasion. They don't like all these cleaned up terms for

for what's happening to them. So hopefully he can still get the show and hear this today and I hope he's okay. Yes. His family was going to somewhere. I don't want to give away his whole story, but they were going to like Romania, I think. Yeah, that's what.

was um because i guess a bunch of them that's where you go is romania and so now they're all split up and i just i just really felt for this guy so if he hears this i hope you're doing better i hope your family's fine that you're in contact that you have internet and that you're nowhere near missiles and bombs okay yes uh all right well there's that story how about this story here we got one about um florida man i like when these always good when it starts that way yep and i always like when they when a foreign news organization covers Florida stories because they always use different terms

for things like, I actually change the headline from trousers to pants because saying trousers just feels wrong over here for some reason. But anyway, Florida man arrested for stealing a crossbow and stuffing it down his pants.

Duran, Darren Durant, oh man, that's like Duran Duran kind of. Isn't it? It is. He certainly never heard that joke. I'm sure it's never come up. someone just run by hey her name was Rio and she dances on the sand oh man

it's pretty bad he was shown on CCTV which is closed circuit TV I always want to say close caption TV but I would be right either way I guess either and or both yeah he was at the true value store and this is on second of February

the 46 year old man can be seen walking into the shop with a crutch before taking a pair of cutting tools and removing the security tag on a Raven Rio crossbow. That must be a brand. Don't know. It's got to be. Yeah. Raven. Ravin Rio? I would say Raven. Raven seems like it's correct.

There's just no E there. So it's R-A-V-I-N. Yeah, probably still Raven. Them being cute. They're trying to be cute there with their name. Yeah, that's somebody's last name. Could be. He was seen there shoving the weapon down the front of his pants before walking out or as they say, trousers. Hate that term. Just saying it hurts. I love the Wallace and Gromit wrong trousers thing

But it's the name is not why I hate the name I have a lot of words like this Gymnasium trousers doily Laveratory Oh my gosh Back in the day my like old Aunt Phyllis or somebody Be like are you holding it

Do you need to use the laboratory? Don't say that word Moist How do you feel about Davenport? I don't like that either. I don't even, I've never even heard, I don't hear it that often, but I don't like it. I don't like gymnasium at all. Like Jim, Jim's fine. Yeah, ejaculate, terrible word. A duvet cover. Duvet, dude. You know what's worse? Uh, chaise laurge.

That makes me want to shit a brick, re-eat the brick, and then shit it again. I hate it. Well, but you have, you have that next to the Davenport and you have the duvet laying over the back of one of them. Yeah, that's true. I do wish me. called toilets water closets again that'd be cool I don't know if anyone still does that but I like that but she's long it's just impossible to say without sounding

like a uppity French turd monkey it's just bad chesterfield too yeah Chesterfield what's it Chesterfield you have the Chesterfield and the Davenport in the same room well then no I think I think they're just two different terms for the same thing

It's the same thing. Okay. Or a couch. Okay. Just say couch, you guys? Sofa, something like that. Oh, some words. But Chesterfield, I was thinking of cigarettes.

Chesterfield, cigarettes go down smooth or whatever. That's what I was thinking of. All right. Anyway, so he's got this thing and jammed it in his pants. And he made it out of the shop. Was arrested a few days later, though, at a nearby store. The arrest warrant has been issued in Brevard County for Durant, who is currently in custody on unrelated.

related burglary charges. Sounds like maybe this guy's what he does. He steals things. Yeah. What I want to know is how did he get a crossbow in his pants? It's got to be collapsible. Yeah, right? Because there's no way that thing unfurled.

You're getting it. I agree. There's a photo of this. Hold on. Let's see. I don't think it's video, unfortunately. So I can't quite see how he got it in there. But the security footage, oh, maybe there is video.

Let's see. Oh, there is. There is. Okay. So, chat, we're going to. we'll play this for you. There's no, I don't think there's audio

and this may not play. Oh, there we go. So here you kind of got a cane. He's looking around. He's wearing a mask. Okay. You got points for wearing a mask. Oh, there he goes.

Just jamming it in. They put this coat over the top. Wow. Okay. And then he walks out. It is not the most clever way to do it. It looks like he's got a nightmare testicle problem.

It's really bad. How did he think he was going to... How did he get out of the store like that? I don't know. That's a better question. That's why I'm amazed. It's because it's like, for those at home, we can't picture this, try to imagine putting like a ladder in your pants

or anything that would just add extreme bulk to your person. It's not simple like, you know, I don't know, smuggling a liter of Coke is fine. You can kind of hide that, you know, half in your crotch, half in your shirt, whatever. but an entire crossbow it's a big thing it's probably i don't know two and a half feet long and another foot and a half wide or something easily it's a large bulky cumbersome thing he's got it shoved down the front of his like it looks like he's wearing sweatpants so at least he had an elastic

band yeah but then he puts his shirt over top of it i mean the crutch i suppose makes it makes him like reshape himself while he's walking but oh crap yeah and what if you what if you trigger that thing what you know suddenly thunk it's like the side of your thigh you get it right in your jugular or whatever your vein is down there what's your big vein on your leg what's that called femoral femoral artery oh my lord look at you at the the correct answer that's awesome uh here's the sound it made this is the sound of that guy in his car here you go yeah right to his right into his chode right to his gnarly chode all right well that's that's the end of our news stories for today we're going to take a break when we come back my sister windy will be here

Yeah, that's right. Returning after a couple of weeks off. She's been traveling. She's doing that again next week coming here. I'm excited to see her. But in the meantime, we're going to bring her back on today and have a little chat. Between now and then, oh, you know what I just realized I didn't do? I didn't pick songs today. So here's what I'll do. Mystery Day. I'm going to pick a song and you guys won't know what it even is. I'm just going to pick it. And then I'm going to play it in post because I don't play it live anyway. And you'll just have to groove on whatever I chose. I'm sure it was really good. It was maybe even a local band again like I did all week. Or maybe it wasn't. I don't even know until you hear it. It might be an Africa cover. Chatroom seems to hope it is. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.

But you'll have to listen to find out. When we come back, Wendy will be here. So don't go anywhere. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. How could you know, how could you know that those were my eyes? Deep into the floor, it's like they know, it's like they know I'm looking for me outside. I'm creeping to the doors like they know

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Bhaaaa Pretty clever bird, the parrot. He can actually talk, what the word, he can actually talk, pronounce words. Of course, he has no idea what the word means, so we never take him seriously. Unfortunately, that's not true with gossips. They use words just as carelessly as the parrot, but sometimes we take them seriously, and often innocent persons are harmed. Woo!

You're threatening me? You're threatening me with P? This is the morning stream. All right. We're back, everybody. Welcome back. That song, once again, was a thing I chose and didn't tell you about. And you have no idea what it was until later. All right. We all found out together. Yeah, we all did. Yeah, you probably don't even still know the name because I'm not here telling you the name. I don't know. I don't know what I played. I'm sure it was great, though. I have amazing taste in music. So I'm not worried. It'll be fine. All right. Let's get my sister in here, a trained licensed therapist who actually knows what she's talking about. And see if she's got some thoughts on a certain thing. We were going to do a real doozy today of an email, like a real rough one. And then we decided not to. We're going to do something a little lighter today, which will be nice.

So I'm going to play this. Hey, look who it is. It's my sister Wendy joining us all the way from Minnesota. And I guess you've been traveling and stuff. Where did you even go? I didn't even hear. I went to Mexico. What?

What did you do down there? Yeah? No, my, you know, my friends from high school are a gang of ganglings, gangly gang, that we've, we've been traveling a lot since, I mean, we all went to junior high and high school together, so it's been a long. You guys go all the time. Like, well, I mean, the pandemic kind of changed some of that. Yeah, we didn't go during those two years.

So this was our first time, like, really being back together. So it was so fun. I bet it was great. Yeah. Did you, so when I went to Mexico, the first thing that happened to us is we walked into that airport and a thousand people tried to sell me things. Did that happen to you? So we went to Cabo, which is like the tip of Baja, you know, just south of wherever. And I don't know if it's a little different there. I don't know if I have a look of like, don't mess with me or I look poor. I'm not really sure.

No, didn't we determine this once? You look like you're, you work there. Didn't we determine this? Yeah. I look like I work everywhere. So you look like, yeah, you look like somebody who's supposed to be helping. A white girl with a plan. Right. But the line was something else to get through customs. It's kind of, I mean, I think as every place is now experiencing the flood of people, I was like in customs for an hour and a half. Oh, my gosh. Is this worth it?

And then I walked outside and it was 75 degrees every day and not a cloud. And I was like, yeah, this is worth it. It is worth 20 hours in line at customs. Totally worth it. We didn't go to Kava. We went to, um, it's the other one everyone goes to? Crap. Can't think of it.

The other one. Cancun, there you go. We went to Cancun, really enjoyed it, except, as you know, I am very white. And I was telling this, talking about this with Kim yesterday, because she guest-hosted. But anyway, I was in the shade, and I still got sunburn all the time. I never was in the sun, but I got sunburn. It was the worst. Speaking of which, by the way, Travis is here.

Brian is out. He's in Disneyland this week. So Travis, Wendy, Wendy Travis. Hello. I don't think you were here on a Thursday last time you did this, Travis. So it's been a bit. No, it was a Tuesday. Yeah.

So, you know, Travis is here for also your hard homework-type questions that you ask us every week, Wendy. Okay. Are you ready, Travis is ready. Oh, no, you're ready. Brian just giggles at me and laps off whatever I say. Yeah. You can do that. Yeah, you can do that.

It'll be easy. All right, well, let's get to it, actually. So I was saying before we sent Wendy a real doozy and then we thought, you know what, let's go a little lighter this week. See if you can't do that. I need to still recover from paradise. Yeah, I feel you. By the way, Steph, was it last week? Yeah, Steph.

Stephanie, yeah. She was amazing. She was great. Really liked having her on. So I'm glad that worked out. Yeah. I created her in real steps. So you guys should join.

I made minions named Stephanie, who are amazing. She Frankenstein out of parts of other other. Did you take three people and make one new person out of her like some kind of Frankenstein monster? No. Okay. So thank you for having her on. That was really cool. She did really well.

she didn't even seem nervous to me. She just was ready to rock. So there we go. That's awesome. Let's get to this email. This is one you received. And it says, hey guys, could you help me understand why I binge eat junk food only at night. I will naturally eat healthily and in moderation during the day. But in the evenings, I am ravenous. And end up staying up very late, digesting it all and or having terrible heartburn and disrupted sleep. It is a cycle I would like to change. Help. This is from someone calling you. themselves snacks after eight um this ring for me because this was me until i started not doing this and we'll get into what i did you till i didn't okay but we'll get into that later i'd like to know what you would uh do here for snacks after eight i mean in my true form i'm going to ask both of you if you have this problem so let's start travis Travis hi i don't know you at all tell me about your eating hours and i i have tons of terrible eating habits that all started from my high school days when I was an athlete.

So I had, you know, I had the metabolism of a methed-out hummingbird. And I ran five to ten miles every day because I was a distance runner. Yeah. Okay. So I developed all sorts of horrible food habits and I'm slowly trying to break them. And it doesn't work. And one of them is eating snacks late. And I don't know why.

Yeah. Okay. This is a, good to know. This is a very similar problem that I have. except it didn't start because I was an athlete in high school but go ahead Wendy continue on okay so how about you sky you said you had this well all right so you know when I was younger I mean I was all the way up to my I don't know late 20s even I had the metabolism of a hummingbird I was I was fine all the time I could eat in a whole pizza and not even think about it um but then

this weird thing happened where well not weird thing the thing starts to yeah it starts to catch up to I'm getting old. And then your 30s, you're like, oh, okay, well, I'm putting on weight, probably you could, whatever. And I got better and more moderate with the way I ate, didn't really have an issue. Then come the early, let's say the early 0405 2000s. And I start to just get weird stomach issues that would only seem to be helped if I just ate a whole lot less.

And also if I was in, like, anxious situations or any kind of anxiety, my natural inclination was not to eat. I wouldn't feed the anxiety with food. I would do the opposite. I would just like not eat. So there was a time there where I got real skinny, too skinny. And that would, that kind of happened all the way up until like, I'd say 2015 or so. I was still that skinny.

And then something changed. In 2015, 2016, I started to, it flipped the other direction. Stress and anxiety and just like, you know, whatever, whatever that stuff was, or however it manifest, was making, I would start to get really hungry. And I stopped having like stomach issues of any kind, which was one of the big blockers to stop me from doing it. It felt like, like a natural way to say, hey, you know, if you do this, you're going to wreck yourself tonight. And it's, I stopped having those problems. So now I've got this thing where I was like, oh, just to eat, I'll eat my stress away. And it just

like almost feels like overnight. It wasn't. But it felt like overnight. where I was now eating for stress instead of avoiding food for stress. And that has continued pretty, that continued pretty consistently up to about 2019 when I got that borderline diabetic diagnosis from the doctor. And they were like, yeah, you got to cut back. You're not in like danger zone, but you got to cut back. So since then, I have done that. And one of the things I committed to do to then,

and I've stuck to it amazingly, with very few exceptions. is I don't eat anything past 7 p.m. at night. And it was really hard at first. But that was my bad zone, like where I snacked and ate things I shouldn't and we're like, oh, let's get a pizza or, you know, whatever temptations there are. They always seem to happen at night.

And so if I, you know, even if it was a big meal at 6.30 or 6, I would still just be like, that's it for tonight, nothing else. And no longer, no more heartburn. No more food-related wake-up-in-the-night stuff. That just went away almost overnight because I gave myself this room. And I also don't eat till 11 every day or tell the show's over, basically,

and then I go, you know, get lunch or whatever. And so it's like intermittent fasting without actually trying to, without actually kind of calling it that. It was just like, yeah, I'm going to do this. And my doctor recommended this also, by the way, I should mention this is not just me having ideas. They were like, yeah, try not to eat after seven. and try to, you know, start later in the day and also don't start with carbs, start with proteins and, you know, morning's the worst time for carbs because, you know, that just turns

to straight. Sugar goes straight to your gut, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, there was all of that. And since I started much more hardcore adhering to this, I don't know, I lost 14, 15 pounds again. I'm not, I'm not exactly where I still want to be. But, but I still have this thing, Wendy, where I'm like, oh, I could kill a hoagie right now. Just could destroy it. And if things get stressful, it's like, yeah, well, it's like, oh, yeah, for sure. I still feel the cravings at night. And when things are in particular stressfulness, pandemic things, or like the night, for

example, the night we heard or the day we heard that Russia was invading, the Ukraine, or Ukraine rather, I'm one of those people, has to quit saying done in front of it. um they that night i was like i could kill four pizzas and a in a in a in a cheese steak i mean i could just do it and it'd be the worst thing for me and and this stuff what it used to make me do is used to make me feel kind of sick so i couldn't eat this kind of stress now i go like oh i got to eat so i don't know what chemical change flip what switch flipped in me or what happened but that's my history with it and and i hate how tempting a bag of doritos is or an orio sleeve or I hate that I look at those things and go, oh, yeah, let's do that.

And that's the one is it's not some Doritos. It's the bag of Doritos. Yeah, that's the truth. I'm going to have some Girl Scout cookies. No, I'm going to have a sleeve of thin mince. Yeah. No, that's exactly right. Like, that's the, it's a, I hate to say, you know, everyone says moderation in all things.

Easy to say when you're feeling very moderate. Yep. But when you just have it and it's there and you're just grabbing it and boom, boom, boom, like what do you even do? So I feel like a somebody, I feel like everybody can relate. to this a little bit unless you're just perfect at all your self-control and then good for you I guess but then you have some other problems going on yeah that's not real uh I'm all of my real steps people in the house are like God and Travis need real steps sounds like it sounds like it

that's the whole thing right this the whole thing is nutrition and mental stuff and yeah and it's all mental like the and the starting point is that you guys have a list of of forbidden food. You just listed them all. You just listed all your temptations. And, okay, so let me actually answer the email question before I get into some of that, which is, why would somebody crave food late at night? Now, obviously, if you are working at eight to five job, I'm kind of talking about folks

in that category. There's going to be people who work, you know, night shift, and then it's, or whatever, some other shift that means that's dinner or whatever. Okay. So I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about it's not the time to be eating. You're about to, you know, you're going to sleep in a couple hours and you're being disturbed. Like you don't feel good.

We're not 16-year-old track stars anymore. So you are going to have the effects from it. But you do it anyway. So, I mean, you're probably familiar with some, you know, anabuse is the name of it. It was a drug. I don't know if they use it very much anymore, but alcoholics, if you would drink anabuse before or take anabuse. and then you would drink, you would become very, very ill. And the idea is that you're using, you know,

operant conditioning, basically, so that when you taste, drink alcohol, it's now associated with being violently ill, and that would stop you. And I'm sure that has worked for many people. You could do that with a lot of things, like, you know, take you to your favorite restaurant and put a giant cockroach on your plate.

You might not want to eat there again, right? Like, you can solve lots of things you don't, want to do by associating it with something really negative or disgusting or painful. Do you think it's easier to do that when you were a kid? Because I remember I couldn't eat Cheetos for about 20 years after I had a ate too many Cheetos and then barfed on the couch after jumping around with friends or something. And I remember thinking, well, I'll never eat another Cheeto again. And it was actually really hard.

So I feel like that stuff gets burned into you when you're younger, much easier as a stop sign. Because when you're older, you don't know what happened. But you can't remember. We're like, did I, what did I, what did I, I sat wrong? And now my neck feels broken, you know, like, stuff like that. Yeah. And so it's harder to make that direct connection. But, you know, your brain's pretty good at like, hey, what's bad for me?

I'm not going to do that. But if it's too much time between doing a thing that feels awesome and a bad outcome, the brain's like, I don't know, you're laying here in the middle of the night, awake, worrying about your future and your stomach hurts. I don't know what that's from. but when you were eating that you know six slice of pizza last night that felt great so it's just too far apart to have sort of that natural consequence okay but if we look at like why do it um so you you pointed out a couple of things we eat because dopamine floods our brain we get a 50%

increase when we eat something yummy and most foods you guys listed has been prepared chemically enhanced sugar added or whatever to hit all the right sort of buttons in order to give you a dopamine rush so it tastes great feels awesome for a half minute and you know it's sort of nutrition nutritionally not super dense so you're not actually getting your brain is getting the message like awesome all the calories are coming we're going to live and then you get something that's just like cheese and it's like well I kind of need more than cheese so you might eat more, et cetera, et cetera. So part of it is, you know, how the brain is interacting with your food system and your

life, right? So take your morning. So this person said specifically, like, I feel like I make yummy, good food choices in the day, and it's kind of moderate. Like, I'm not craving anything. I just feel normal, right? Right. So then what, so I want you to guess, what do you think happens?

Why at 8 p.m., 9 p.m., would at any modern, let's say America, any modern American want to show food in their mouth. Oh, geez. Is it because they're hungry? Boredom. Boredom? I don't know. I feel like it's the boredom thing never worked for me. I'm never bored. I'm never bored. I haven't been bored since I was a little kid.

And I hate that. I hate that I'm never bored because I know we've talked about this before. Bortem is good for you sometimes. It gives you room to think and create and whatever. I have too many things going on. So I've ruined my sense of boredom. but so for me i'm just trying to relate it to why i would be that way it's clearly not because my body needs it right so so i'm gonna i'll answer your question by saying um actually for me it might be this i i kind of dread sleep right now i don't sleep great i have a lot of weird dreams and they wake me up and i don't know why yet i don't know what that's about but it's been going on

for a couple months where it's just every night is dream filled sleepless weird thing happened to dream wake up with a start can't go back to bed heart's beating too fast okay finally i can sleep again oh great at seven o'clock i gotta get up like that kind of thing and i don't know what that's about but whatever that is i feel like at night i'm like oh sleep i don't want to get rid i don't want to do this tonight and i think that's thinking about that makes me want to do whatever stress copers i have yeah at the end of my day because the end of my day represents well i have to enter you know nightmare zone again yeah i think that's it for me that could be right how about you Travis what gets you eating a bag of Doritos at 9 p.m. usually because um it's just an association

I'm sitting watching something or I've gotten a little bit better at late night snacking because I'm usually in the middle of recording a show or a stream and I don't want to be crunching Doritos doing that but I think it's a lot of it is boredom and just association with like I'm sitting down watching a movie watching a TV show that's what I did growing up and again I was so in such calorie debt for most of my teenage years that I needed all that food yeah totally okay so you there's two things you said there that I think are are probably really common and people are going to be like calorie debt there's no way I'm in calorie debt but they are at you might be nutrition debt.

And so, because notice what we usually reach for, no one's just like, I will make myself taking potatoes at 10 p.m. You know, or my, my vegan soup that I love so much, you know, it's going to, it's going to be quick, fast acting, you know, the carbohydrates that give you the hit. And so you're actually craving energy, right? That's ultimately what you're asking for. for is I need some energy and often I mean think of think of and everyone's done this right you're really tired you should just go to bed but you happen to open up Instagram or Twitter or you happen to

just like turn on something some show and you are now awake again right that can happen just being awake like you can cycle in and out and like oh now I'm awake you know it doesn't always require you know screens necessarily but screens will give you dopamine as well right so it wakes you back up like oh time to be awake again okay so food similarly wakes you back up like your body's like oh i guess we're not sleeping now okay and we'll just do that thing but we all do that where we're like we really should just go lay down and instead we make another choice that wakes us back up yeah yeah i'm wondering where we're all sleep deprived okay so that calorie deficit i would say maybe a better way to put it is nutrition deficit so if you are not eating very much in the day and you're just

like living your day and you're busy and when you finally slow down and stop you might actually be hungry but you're probably not tuned to is it hunger or not because like you said on your second part it's association right so i sit i pull out popcorn i eat it i watch a thing i sit i want something to do with my hands or my you know like it's just built in so scott you used to have this habit probably it's a hand mouth habit and action like i sit here it's associated back to that association or that um operating conditioning you are conditioned to want a thing to eat while you're sitting there right yeah so when you stop scott and you stopped at 7 p.m it was very difficult at first but you you i assume have broken a bunch of associations with eating and what you do

past 7 p.m. correct right yeah so right now if you i said okay it's at 9.000 p.m. sit on the couch. Yeah. And what is associated with that now to watch a show that used to be associated with food? What do you do now? Now it's me usually Kim. Kim's usually like this is be about the time of night where she's watching one of her British dramas or something. And I'll sit down and don't call it doom scroll. But I'll catch up on like I'm not all that into whatever she's watching. So I'll just be there to kind of be with her. And then I'll check email and see if there's been any, you know, recent anything and check all my stuff for work things. And, you know, stuff I probably don't need to be doing. But I do fill that time with with stuff that's probably

not conducive to me going to bed later. Yeah. It's also dopamine, right? It just isn't going to give you heartburn. But it. So we're all dopamine addicts is what you're saying. At the end of the day. What I'm saying is that. Right. And typically when other things are required of us, like getting work done or having meetings or, you know, whatever, getting a kid out off to school in the morning, I think. And people can be different. They can have, you know, most people, though, it's fatigue that creates the cravings for something, right? It's rarely that it is, you know, like you wake up full of energy and you're like, you know what I need? I need 20 popsicles. But maybe. but but you're going to get your energy from the things you're getting you've you've rested so in theory you have energy so your body's doing all sorts of different things here and we're just pretty unconscious of them um and so my advice to this person would be and this is what's tricky is that i'm very anti-diet. No diets ever again everyone stop stop stop dieting yes

throw your scales away and learn how your body works so we talk a lot of about this in real steps of intuitive eating. And there's a book that we all read together. I'm going to look at the name of the authors. I forget. It's Roche, Nevelin. I think I've talked about it on the show before, but it's intuitive eating. And the idea, oops, I drop my phone, the idea is that you get better at understanding your cues. Are you hungry? Or are you tired? Are you bored? And then you sort of find the activity to do that thing. This isn't about don't eat your favorite foods. Mm-hmm.

In fact, most people probably need to eat more. Yeah. More full, whole foods, more stuff that just gives them the right nutrients and vitamins. And, you know, they'll crave less things later if they have, if they've eaten a, you know, decent-sized lunch or whatever. Sure. Um, and dinner. And so, and drinking plenty of water.

Like all the good stuff we know psychologically is good for us. If we did those things, then we'd have less of the sort of craving late a night for something else. The tricky part is, how does anybody know this? And that's what we always are trying to get at is. So say your family, and this person doesn't give us any drama. No. I wish they would have thrown in some drama.

Like, well, I was never allowed to, I had to clean my plate at dinner. Or I was never allowed to have dessert or something. And then you'd be like, oh, okay. So maybe there's more going on where it's like, this is how I express my freedom as an adult. I could do what I want at night. Or maybe you have little kids and when they're finally in bed, you're like, finally, I could just be free, you know, and then habits form and suddenly you're like, why do I do this all the time?

We had such, because there's reasons. We had such stereotypic upbringing. Mom always used that people are starving in China thing. She always used that. That was a classic. It was a classic, but it was also so stereotyp, like everybody said that or at least everybody on TV said it. So I always was like, mom, you got to have, you got to come. up with one of your own like um there's a i don't know i don't know what it would be i don't know

what else you would say to get a kid to eat she couldn't have thought of it either yeah i guess maybe maybe that's why people fall on that one but well and that's that's one thing we like to explore i'm sorry this sounds like a real steps commercial but we like to explore is that uh like what's your family of origin talk around food and um what it means and so um like it could mean something to you like popcorn in a movie might feel like just a treat you've forgotten but you were never allowed to get popcorn as a kid so now you're going to yeah or you were essentially um you know like things were controlled and you had no control of something and so you controlled the food or it could be even you know just as simple as i'm tired i don't quite know how to manage my sleep and

my time and so I've got to stay up or I'm working too much or whatever and so you're just fueling a lifestyle that is you know works because you're 25 but eventually you know sort of catches up to you so so kind of this more gentle approach of like just understanding why you have hangups about certain things or where they come from and they can be even positive right so we do this thing where we eat our favorite treat very mindfully and mine was I don't know if you could guess Scott, but it's red vines. Oh, a shock. I can't believe it's red vines.

What a shock. I know. Can you believe? Like, I go to Mexico with all my friends and guess what one brought all this red, all these red vines? She's like, I knew it was your favorite. I'm like, okay, I was kind of hoping not to eat that while I was here, but okay. Yeah, that's the other problem is we have friends who enable us by sending. Totally.

We have somebody in the chat room. I don't know if she's in here today, but she, whenever, whatever chance she used to get, she'd send me lemon heads or lemon pez or lemon whatever. I love lemon heads. They're so good. And I love lemon anything. This is before all the sugar cut out. But it wasn't doing me any favors to get those.

Right. Right. And take that for example. That's love, right? My friend brought the licorice because she loves me. She sends this to you because she knows you love them. And it's a way to like, so that family, that connection, that, you know, breaking bread together is such a huge part of being human and important. But it gets a little weird sometimes.

and has maybe not having that or it does help fill some of the emptiness, right? So dopamine does a lot of things and that's one of them and food in particular is filling yourself with something when maybe you need love or connection and it's really hard to tell the difference. You may even know the difference

but you don't know how to get the other so the food is sort of really appealing. So anyway, we did this thing where you eat something very mindfully. I think we did on the show once. Do you remember this when I had you guys eat it? Oh, yeah. We had to eat it all slow. And yeah, that was a slow and think about where it came from and, you know, the love that went into making that banana or whatever. Anyway, we did this, we did this with treats, like your favorite treat. And I did it with red licorice, with red vines. And she asked if there's any meaning with the food. And I was like, oh, it's like every road trip. It's every fun family trip to some random cabin or camp. or it just had so it's so associated with fun and relaxation and family yeah that's why I love it but then when I eat it and I eat it slowly and I'm trying to decide what it tastes like do you guys

know what it tastes like I mean I don't even know what to compare it to I know it if I tasted it yeah it's not great classic with a little bit of an aftertaste of maybe what licorice that's red could I don't know if you really slow down there's nothing about that that you would choose to want to eat right yeah it's not great but here's the thing about it it's still my favorite, it still represents all those loving feelings. But having done that and having really noticed that the flavor isn't fantastic and eating too much of it actually makes me feel ill, then I can now eat a couple pieces of red licorice and I'm done. I don't eat a whole bucket anymore. I've cured myself with real steps. I didn't even mean to. And it's because you start to like

just bring some awareness to your relationship with food. So that's what I would suggest to this email is really pay attention to one day. Like, why is this happening? What's happening in that, you know, are you feeling sad, alone, bored? Is it associated to the activities you participate in the evening? You know, what is going on? And like, just be aware of it before you try to change anything. Don't change anything.

Just notice for a couple days. Just see what happens. And in the morning, you're like, yeah, I don't feel hungry at all. Well, it's because you had a cheeseburger at 9 p.m. the night before. that's why um but you know just notice notice notice see how you're feeling and notice the voices we all have sort of associated inner critics or voices if we have damage around food and our bodies so right you know if i'm a bad person because i eat this thing and you hear a voice you have to hear it though you have to stop and really listen like did a voice in your head just say you're lazy you're gross

what's wrong with you, you know, was there criticism happening as you're eating? And you've got to get curious about that. What's that from? And maybe get some help to deal with that because now take any person who has nothing in their head. And then while they're eating, just tell them they're disgusting. What are they going to do? It's going to mess with them, right? So if that is happening, maybe it happened because you were when you were a child or maybe it happened, you know, maybe Travis, you were like, you know,

your metabolism confused you and you thought this is how life would always be. And so as soon as you eat crappy or gain a little weight or don't feel good, maybe there's instantly a voice that's just like, dude, what's wrong with you? Right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And maybe it wasn't a person in your life going, grass, you know? So it's all varied for everybody.

Everyone's got their own different relationship with this here. But it's complicated. So maybe compassion is our number one ingredient here. it's just like, hey, there's reasons we're doing all the things we're doing. Some of it is that, you know, they've put something in it to make you crave it fortnightly. But also, maybe there's that, but maybe there's also just association or, you know, I need a little joy in my life or, you know, and if you can acknowledge some of those things, maybe you drink more water and eat a bigger dinner and you go, oh, yeah, I'm not as hungry.

Or maybe you say, I'm going to try the Scott thing and not eat it after seven for a week and just be really curious. Like, what happens to me? And then eat a little more in the day because your body does need food. And so, yeah, it's about flexibility and openness and sort of curiosity to see, like, what is really happening with you? Not go on a diet, use all your willpower up and tell yourself you're an idiot and weigh yourself every day. It's really the opposite. It is, right?

Because none of those, the whole reason that's such a booming business, I mean, there's a lot of reasons why people get in there. But part of the reason it's a booming business is because like a lot of products, there's, none of them are really perfect. You just jump around and tell you think you found the one you like, but really you're just in the churn. You're part of the product testing. I don't know. It's never felt right to me. And every single diet will work because you will change, you will eat less. Yeah.

Every single diet. Because you suddenly put me on the Mediterranean diet, which is the healthiest version of any kind of. And it's just, you call it a diet, but really, it's just, yeah, just eat, you know. That's what always makes me laugh is those ones that actually have something to them like that. I always laugh because I'm like, well, that's not going to last as a business model because people eventually can figure out, oh, I just go to a grocery store and buy the stuff to eat that's better for me and that's it and I'm done. Well, and it depends on where you live. And we have to call it a diet in America because we don't have access to that good fish and we don't have access to the, you know, some of the stuff. And so then it is something you can sell products for, right, or whatever.

But anyway, you take anything like that. And at first, as you use your willpower, which will last, you know, 30-something days, maybe, then of course you're going to lose weight because you're eating less. You're doing all sorts of different things. But can you sustain that? And the answer is no. The only sustainable thing that gets you out of the churn is to learn to trust yourself and trust your own body and listen to it and, you know, adjust. things and because if you think of it like the yo-yo of the dieting is you're all in and

then you crash and you gain 30 pounds past where you started and so people are getting heavier and heavier and heavier I mean you look at the evidence it's definitely not working but but really what I'm the most interested I don't care so much about the food and that stuff I'm more interested in what happens between your ears what are you saying how how do you believe you know when you're there's you know the supermodels in the world that's our ideal and they can barely eat an apple a day like how it that what you know like it's insanity what we are all exposing ourselves to and thinking is who we should be and really so that stuff in between your head obviously is has so much power every single bit of food in front of you is neutral

you have made a story about each one someone has made you know a story about that each one, right? Because if you could eat a little handful of those Doritos and feel satisfied and enjoy the taste and really taste them, there is nothing bad just happened. Nothing. Well, here's the fun bit. So I got right here, this is funny, bring up Doritos. I have a bag of salsa Verde flavored burritos burritos burritos. Doritos. Burrito Doritos. And as you can hear, we're down to the final, I don't know, 15% of this bag. I normally, like if I took a handful of these, put in a little bowl or whatever, called that a serving, had it with lunch or something. Great. No big deal. It's not a problem. Whatever. The problem is when

I bring a bag and leave it here. Yep. And before I know it, I just don't think it's right that I ate all of these. You know, even if it spread it way out, even if it was over a week's period, it's still a bag of these that I ate. Like, I pushed this much Dorito through my body and that's dumb. It's so dumb. And why? Because I, I, I so. I associate Doritos in a lot of the ways to my youth and good things happening as much as you do with red vines. To me, Doritos are it. Even mom's weird salad she used to make with Doritos in it. Like, I associate that with like Powell and fun with the family and road trips and all that stuff you mentioned earlier.

That's Doritos for me. And, you know, even though you smell like 12, 12 year old boy feet when you eat them, I love them. I love them. And I shouldn't love them. In fact, you know what? I'm going to do a hard thing right now. Final 15%. Oh, wait, stop.

Before you do that, I'm going to take one out. Okay, all right. Take one out. Okay, I'm pulling one out. I can't see you. So everyone tell me if he's doing this. I promise I'm doing it.

I promise. All right, I want you take one out and I want you to smell it. Jeez. All right, you know what I'm going to do? I'm actually going to send you video. This won't be hard. Okay.

There, you should see me. Okay, so here I am. All right, so I can see you. Okay. So I want you to smell it. Just like, puff it. I'll put it. Was it smell it?

Smells. I mean, it smells like somebody's old, some kid's socks and gym. Okay. Now I want you to think about how it was made. They, okay. I don't actually know, but I bet it was a whole ton of corn all mushed into a paste and then flattened out and then banged out in little pieces by a giant robot machine that then pooped them out into what looks like triangles. Okay. And covered in preservatives on its way out, the door.

I assume, you know, the ingredients are here. It's not like it's, let's see here. There's, I'm on corn, vegetable oil. And then a bunch of names I don't want to read because they scare me. A bunch of words. Yeah. Okay. All right.

So I want you to think about Mary Beth, who works in the factory that makes these. I don't know. She runs something. She does a thing. Just like appreciate. Let's just take a second. Like, oh, man, there are people bringing me this. All right.

So Mary Beth in the big free to, or who makes the, who's, is free to lay? Is it? I don't know who makes these. I don't know who the company is anymore. Anyway. Just pretend she has a livable wage and things are going. Yeah, she's going all right. Yeah, she's wearing some kind of hair net.

She's got some, she got a mask on because of the, she didn't want chip dust in her lungs, all that stuff. And Mary Beth's working hard. She wears Halloween when it's around Halloween. That's Mary Beth. Totally. We love her. She's great.

And we just appreciate her for a second. She'll be the one that brings a cake or the donuts or the bagels in for the birthday. They're having that. Totally. I love Mary Beth. All right. So now what I want you to do is close your eyes. Okay.

Closed. And I want you, don't do anything until I finish my sentence. I want you to put it in your mouth and let it just sort of sit there. Okay. Hold on. For about 36. Don't swallow. Stop yourself from swallowing and chewing.

It doesn't have to be the whole chip, just the piece. No, no, no. Just a piece. Yeah. So it's comfortable. Okay. Go on. Don't do any.

Don't swallow. Just let it sit on your tongue. I just want you to notice. Like what it tastes like. What does it do? Does it kind of get squishy and melt around? Ugh. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's doing all that. Okay. So just resist the urge to swallow it. Okay. Just fill the taste. Can I chew it? You can chew a little. Okay.

So you want a microphone? Because people like it when people eat on mice. People love that sound. Yeah. S. Some are Dorito from Marybeth. Okay. All right.

Now you can swallow it. Okay. Now open your eyes. Okay. So what was that like to taste it like that? Weirdly unsatisfying. Right. Right.

Because one of the powers of it is the crunch, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's a good point. No one wants a soggy Dorito. And the hustle. Yeah.

So I want you to think about your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandparents and how they had to survive. Okay. So when they could get food that was calorically dense or full of energy or, you know, specifically sweet things. So let's take a blueberry bush, right? Yeah. And you're pretty dang white. So they were probably north of the Arctic line or something. So it was rare.

It was rare to see a blueberry bush. Yeah. So they would see a blueberry bush. Now imagine you're not going to see another one probably. So what would you do? you would hork it you would take as many as you could yeah we get as many as we could this is our last chance for the that for those rare berries up here in the arctic line exactly and then what else would you be doing you would be looking for the yeti or or some kind of

animal that might be coming after you so you need to have your eyes darting around while you are shoving food in your mouth yeah because there's a survival mechanism mechanism there about I need it first before. So guess what we're good at. Shoving food in our mouth while we are distracted. Yeah. Okay. So what we just did with the Dorito is just slowed down one of your favorite foods.

Yeah. Thought about Mary Beth for a second. Tasted the slime that it actually is. And so right now, do you want to eat the rest of the bag? No, I don't. I don't. I'm being honest, by the way. Nobody at home should assume I'm a plant for this or whatever.

I really don't want the rest of that. Yeah. And here's the thing. And then another day you might want some too. That's fine. There is nothing wrong with your Doritos. This is not about the food is good or bad. It's about you actually choose one or you choose to scarf something down while you're distracted. Like choosing what you eat versus mindingly doing that. Like those are the different behaviors. And one just takes some effort in the moment. And so, you know, maybe you pick one meal or one. one bite where you just go, let me think about Mary Beth. Well, there's so much like, what's the way of putting this, there's so much of our human evolution that is designed or tweaked by years and years, thousands of years, hundreds of millions of years, whatever, of survival instinct-based behavior, and that's so built into our monkey brains now, that we now live in a time where we have figured out more than ever a way to make sure as many people as possible can eat, we can do better. But you know what I mean.

Like there's, there people starve less now than they've ever starved in the history of the planet. Um, again, I'm not diminishing those who still do. I know they exist. I'm not, just want to make that clear before my email box fills up and it's stupid. Right. Um, but my point is like, now that we figured that out, I have access to all the good foods I could eat and access to all the junk food I'd want. Like, it's not a problem anymore of me having to look for that saber-toothed tiger is about to eat my face, I can just eat. Why is it that we can't flip that some of that stuff back quicker? I guess that's the way evolution works and the timeline's different, right? I mean, you know when sliced bread was invented? It's not long ago. What I mean is,

like, this is so recent in terms of evolution that it, there's a reason none of us can handle it. Right? I mean, take cell phones as a dopamine delivery system. I mean, that is. is 12 years old, 15 years old? That's like nothing. Yeah. Right? And so, yeah, we're not going to flip any switches. So don't worry about that.

It'll be thousands of years from now. Okay. But also, like, this is where hacking your brain a little bit can come in handy. So we also have this front part of our brain that developed afterwards, which is like, hey, let's think this through. If I do this or this, you know. And so it isn't that. And the truth is we have studies on willpower.

and this is what we know. People who seem to have the most willpower seem the most disciplined are no different from anyone else. The only difference is they don't have as many of the temptations in front of them. They don't put the bag of chips on their desk. That's the difference right there.

They just don't require, because guess what our brains also do? They're like, scan the scene, where are the sources of food and enjoyment and sex and water, you know, whatever it is to keep us a lot, That's what it's built to do. So you put your favorite, you know, bucket of red licorice on my desk.

Every minute I have to decide whether I'm going to follow my absolute biological impulse to get those in my body or not, you know? And so it's, it's brain hacking really. And obviously, mindfulness eating or mindfulness meditation is ultimately a brain hack. It's to calm the monkey mind. It's to sort of allow you to be present and not be darting around in your head all the time like we are built to do. And so, you know, there's other ways to do this besides getting a scale and buying a new program and, oh, man, the money that we could all save if we just ate intuitively. Yeah. But no one wants that, right?

Nobody, I mean, Doritos does a bunch of things to get you to eat them. Yeah. Like if they just hand it out those soggy little slabs, you wouldn't be eating them. Yeah. I mean, you're right. You're absolutely right. And I wouldn't. And now I don't think I want them anymore. I don't know. I do love the description. It smells like, you know, a middle school locker room. They reek. They're like corn nuts. They're the worst. They stink. Corn nuts is another good example of this. Like, I could kill a bag of corn nuts. Yeah. But what a crunch, dude. One of my freaking eating there. Like, what a night. I'm recklessly putting my teeth in danger every time I do it. You smell like a gym sock. You, you, You know. So tell me this. What's your, what is a good memory around corn nuts?

High school hanging out with my friends driving downtown, screwing around. Freedom. Yeah. Freedom. Like no worries, right? And you can get a new tooth. It's fine. Yeah. I mean, honestly, there have been times, well, I'd learned this recently. Like, I'm, I shouldn't eat anything that's, you know, like fruit snacks are bad for me. Why? Because I have a couple of crowns that will pop out when I eat gooey things. So I'm supposed to just avoid those. And the only crown that never comes out is my gold one. As you know, gold stays forever and never has problems. It's amazing. We were meant to have gold in their mouth. It's crazy.

They should have just, our evolution should be, we just grow golden teeth. That'd be amazing. Get on that. Yeah, I'll get right on that. But I ate some fruit snacks because Vam was over and they looked good. And I was like, well, I'll just eat this fruit snack. Boop. Out came a crown.

Oh, my God. And I knew that was a risk. And I knew that this would very like, not just maybe happen, likely because that one crown's always just barely hanging on the way that it had to be made. It was just the best they could do. And I always know this. And most anything else, I'll say it's going to be fine. But anything like that or a dot, I mean, dots are just asking for your whole face to pop out.

They're the worst. That is the dentist lobby that got dots out there. Yeah. Just kidding. And then I had to go all the way to the dentist, get an appointment, spend a few days in pain because I didn't have it fixed, went in, do the whole smear. they want to put it on without any deadening. That's a giant anxiety of mine.

It hurt like hell. Had to listen to the dentist. Tell me about his kid in his damn soccer tournament. Like all that. All for one. All for one stupid fruit snack. And it wasn't worth it. So think about it.

One fruit snack with my grandson. Yeah. Like this is the point, right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's not close enough. If you had to immediately, you know, like every time you ate a fruit snack, someone punched you hard in the face you wouldn't be eating a fruit snack like it's just that there's

too much good associated with food and and my I postulate that making food and food experiences lovely and healthy and warm and safe and good and like family dinners and you know like really enjoying your food is the antidote to all this it's not eating less it's not eating less less junk food. It's having all sorts of good things surrounding it, right? Like, you could eat a fruit snack because you're with a van. You wouldn't have done that otherwise. No, I didn't want them. I wouldn't even have thought about him. Wouldn't have been a thing. You're totally right. So that's this, you know, you've been talking for years about mindfulness and eating mindfulness and all that. But maybe this is the first time it's actually sinking in for me a little more. Like at least the association part of it.

Yeah, you made me do it. Yeah. For some reason, the banana worked, but then I forgot. Now the Dorito. Did it. Yeah. Just imagine if you ate just one bite mindfully every day might remind you. So I don't know if you've seen this, but it's in, I want to say, Canada. Oh, shoot, I think it's Canada. There is a cool, like, big old black screen on the street. And you look at it for a minute and then it turns on and it's scanning your skeleton.

So you're just like moving and all these people stop and are playing and dancing and seeing their skeletons. and then all of a sudden a car comes through and brashes into you and your bodies fly and all the brain bones break wow and it's like oh they're not messing around but what they're doing is say and it was it's a don't jaywalk thing like don't jaywalk it's not worth it so they're showing you like in your la-di-da life and playing around and looking at your phone and then they shock you into this is what could happen right because humans don't learn quickly we don't learn we do but we don't it has to be fairly immediate it has to be everyone's a little different but usually visually right um or experientially so you just tasted a soggy Dorito and you

had a shift and that's kind of the power of you know doing something differently um so you know try eating more emailer in the morning and you know go on a walk in the evening and stop and ask yourself why you're feeling certain ways. See if that association, it just needs to be broken. We can break associations. But of course, have your snack foods when you want your snack foods. But if this is really problematic in your life, there is things you can do to shift and change. And as everyone gets older, all the things that used to work stop working.

So at some point, everyone will face this, you know. Yeah, you're all headed there, whether you like it or not. Some of you out there right now are going, I'm fine. I'm as skinny as a rail, big muscled man, and I'm running 10 miles a day. and I just ate a whole pizza in this conversation. It'll catch up here. I promise. I promise.

Because we were you. Travis and I were you. We were skinny dudes with like the, it didn't matter what we ate. We could eat a metal box and we'd be, we might go burp. Okay, well, I'm fine now. Like, we didn't care.

It doesn't matter. Yeah, it all changes. And then when you start mat, you know, when you start having your food and your intake directed by your emotional state, oh man so i guess what i'm saying is paying attention now and don't eat metal boxes all right just enjoy the corn nuts while yeah enjoy the corn nuts while you got them but don't don't think that corn net is your friend your corn net is never your friend it's your dark dark enemy uh well

wendy it's always a pleasure to hang out and talk uh do realstops dot org is a place people can go sign up and become a part of this cool program if you want to uh if it sounds like it might be for you go check it out and uh anything else you want to mention or talk about Yeah. No. Yeah. Good to be back. Yeah, that is good. Next week. You'll be here. Next week I'll be traveling on Thursday. So I got to bail on that. But the week after, I'm there. I'm there. Oh, I didn't realize you were here that long. I guess you got other family to see and stuff too as well. Yeah. We'll be there on Thursday. That's awesome. I'm looking forward to it. And all the kids and everybody? It's like the whole thing. Do you want to take a few of them? Just like permanently?

Yeah, we might do. I don't know. I love hanging around my nephews and. my niece. They're pretty great. All right. Well, that's perfect. I look forward to seeing you then. Hopefully it won't be too weird with that thing we're doing with mom and all that, but it should be fine. And I'm not. Yeah, I might eat Doritos. Yeah, we'll report on it. Yeah, we'll report on it, let you know if it was any good and whether it drove us to E. Red Vines and Doritos. Wendy, have a fantastic rest of your week and we'll see you soon. All right. Bye. Bye now. I'm going to turn my video off in two places here. There we go. All righty. We have gotten to the part of the show where we're about done.

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Be like them. Sign up today. Patreon.com slash TMS. Oh, man, Travis is great having you on, dude. I'm really glad you were able to be here today. Why don't you tell the fine folks at home Some of the stuff you're doing and they can check out Yeah, so I have a couple of podcasts I do

One is called Wait You Haven't seen And it's a movie discussion where somebody is watching a movie For the very first time It's a lot of fun I record that Sunday nights You can get that at TVs Travis.com We mentioned the Highlander show earlier I do that with Audie Norman, also a fellow member of the Tadpool We do that

That comes out on Thursdays at anchor.fm slash let's watch Highlander And I'm also co-hosts now of a horror movie podcast called Gore. Oh, I heard about this. I'm just excited about this show. Yeah. Yeah, Wicked Kitten. Monica hosts it.

And there's us, the Dreadlord and Phelan, and we talk horror movies. In fact, we're recording tonight. We're going to be talking about leprechaun. That's going to be out in a couple of weeks. Oh, very nice. Yeah. So that's been a lot of fun. I've seen some horror movies that I had not seen before that I was very impressed with

and some that are... Yeah, pretty rough. Yeah. I watched that new... Well, two things. One, I should say this. I watched that new... Texas Chainsaw Masker on Netflix, the new one.

There are some gnarly scenes in that thing. Holy Moses. That's one thing I wanted to say. So you'll probably cover that on gore at some point. The other thing I was going to say is... Oh, sure. Now I forgot. It was really good.

What was it? I totally had a cool thing to say. I was going to bring it up. Now, Cameron. remember it. Can't remember. I don't remember. Why don't I remember? It doesn't matter. The important thing is Gore is a show and you can listen to it and

horror movies are great. So go do that. What was I going to say? It's going to kill me that I remember this after the show. I really had to... You'll remember it this afternoon and I'll get a text from you. Yeah, that's fine. That one is at anchor.fm.fm. slash Gore Podcast. Gore Podcast. Go check it out. Yes, Core is on tonight. And I understand that Wicked Kitten got our name from or got the name for Gore from Core.

She told me that the other day. So I'm going to believe it. And I sanctioned her use of the spinoff name because Gore is its own word. You know, it doesn't have to be tied to anything. So it's great. Yeah, Core tonight. Don't forget to check that out. We got a lot to talk about, including I ended up getting Eldon Ring after all.

I installed it last night. I've not played it yet. I plan on getting some time in before tonight. Everyone knows my adversarial relationship with most soulslikes. So if you want to hear what I think about that, and also the venerable John and Boe have been playing it a ton. So they'll have a lot to say about it. Plus all the stories and news and stuff happened to this weekend gaming.

So check it out. That's tonight at 5 o'clock p.m. mountain time right here at twitch. com slash frogpants. For everything else, frogpans.com slash TMS. The morning stream at gmail.com is our email address. keep those emails coming in now we'll get out of here with a song again i don't know what it is it'll just play i don't know what it is man i feel bad uh because i didn't plan on this but it's okay there'll be a song you'll love it that's all that matters in the end of the day or maybe you won't

love it i don't know send me your emails and let me know what you think and Travis once again thanks for hanging out with me today dude i really appreciate it yeah thanks for having me i had a great time super fun uh stick around chat we're going to do your titles in a minute and uh hang him around for a little post-show action, so don't go anywhere. Here's your song. We'll see you guys on Monday. Brian will be back. We'll see you then. You're afraid to pay the fee So you find yourself somebody Who can do the job for free

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You have sent the made only like a thousand times before Like the castle in its corner In a medieval game I foresee terrible trouble and I stay here just the same I'm a fool to do your dirty work oh yeah I don't want to do your dirty work

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