The Morning Stream - TMS 2285: Asterods Deloxe

Episode Date: May 5, 2022

He's Science Disco Ball Jesus! Red on air fraggle. The Frogpants of Vegas. I bet the Dictionary of Sarcasm is SOOOOOO useful. Extra Virgin Arcade Machine. Cinco del Miracle Whip. Roach Clip posers. First, let me take a selfie. The Vuh-Jays. You REALLY Have That Hat?!? I PROMISE I Wasn't Fixated On The Nipples! The Plaza's Soul, Face, and All Other Parts. He's Averagely Tall! Unruly Scotsmen with Amy. Tab Management with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, he's science disco ball Jesus. Red on airfraggle. The frog pants of Vegas. I bet the dictionary of sarcasm is so useful. Extra Virgin arcade machine. Cinco down medical whip. Roach clip posers. First, let me take a selfie.

The Vajas. You really have that hat? I promise, I wasn't fixated on the nipples. The plaza's soul, face, and all other parts. He's averagely tall. Unruly Scotsman with Amy. Tab management with Wendy and Moore on this episode. of the Morning Stream.

I don't see why you let that girl eat up so much of your time. Doesn't she have any life of her own? Mom, if you would just stop thinking of Vicki as a threat to my virginity, you would live a lot longer. Dave, don't talk to me like that. Yes, Mom. I drink. quiet the voices in my head. This is the morning stream.

Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, May 5th. Cinco to Mayo. Mayo. Mayo. Mayo. Mayo. Mayo. Right? Not Mayo. Yeah. Not Mayo. No. It is Mayo. It's not the fifth of mayo.

That's Cinco to Hellmonds. Sinkgo to Helmonds. Cinco to Helmonds. Well, it depends on what side of the country you're on, and we don't want to get in that fight. People always fighting over that, who has the best mayo. Yeah, geez. And then there's Jerry who says no one should have mayo, because mayo is gross.

No mayo is a good mayo, according to jury. Yeah, it's good to have you all here. Hope you have a nice, the 5th of May, and get all sorts of good food and all sorts of stuff like that. I think we're doing tacos tonight? I'm not sure. I would assume so, yeah. We're going to be doing right by the theater

where we're seeing Dr. Strange and the Mayo of madness. Oh, right. There's a Chewy's, which is an Austin staple, an Austin Mexican food staple. We've got one, we've got a couple up here in Denver now, and, oh, they have such good food. So good. It's probably going to be busy as hell, though. It's like Tex-Mex style business. Yeah, yeah, that sounds good right now. Jeez. Yeah. Yeah, you guys had Chewis there, too, right? Because I know, oh, no, I guess Kim brought you back a Chewis shirt, which you went to Austin or something. Yes, I have a chewy shirt from Austin, and I have a have fond memories of that shirt, but no actual food tasting.

Oh, look at Kim and her sombrero. Look at this. Oh, look at that. She brought me. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Where'd you get that? Is that really a... We have that hat.

We should throw it on the ground and dance around it. Okay. She agrees. Got full agreement from the wife. Excellent. Anyway, so happy that to everybody. I thought we'd start things off today with a little bit of an email, okay?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, please. One from Brent P. And I don't know if we have any of our, oh, we do, TVZGone is here, so this will be kind of a question for him. Here's what he says, Hey, Scott and Brian, did you guys take any picks while you were in Vegas?

I've not seen anything. I want to relive the experience vicariously through you two, Brent P. Aw. I know there are lots of pictures being taken, both portions of it anyway, were being shot by both TVZGON and um oh i lost the guy's name crap i want to give him credit uh name name his name i haven't met him

and i said oh you're the other photo guy who's taking pictures here and i can't remember his name oh i felt bad because i mean monkey bananas was was streaming the whole thing yes we got video out of monkey bananas but somebody did like you know these two did like real you know pro photography men is who they were like uh slr cameras pointed at us all the dang time that's right except for when I beat that guy and I felt bad because he was also part of my um my streak that was uh that was cheesy no no no not the not the final game the uh my my one of my first games was against that photo dude I'm talking about when cheesy G beat that guy oh yeah did we so that all did it but how did she doesn't have to go like return there and do any kind of testimony or no no and uh here's

here's the difference between the plaza and every other hotel in Vegas go So I was talking with our contacts there, and I said, oh, yeah, they said, hey, how did everything go? And I said, oh, you know, went all right. We had one little altercation where one of our guests got assaulted or, yeah, I guess assaulted, touched inappropriately by another person at one of your bars. But the bartenders helped her out and the police, you know, were on her side and everything. She even gave him warning, said that, hey, if you touch me again, I'm going to, punch you in the face and when they touched her again she punched him in the face and so I told them all this I mean I you know paraphrased of course and said yeah so

if there's any way that we can get the footage from the camera above the Omaha bar from Monday night we'd love to see it and you know maybe she'd want to keep it in case there's any any future issues with this person like any any sort of yeah pressing charges I can't imagine you know yeah she probably wouldn't either would he I mean they're gonna obviously he should he's in trouble so yeah that's all happening but i don't want her to have to deal with it more you know they replied back to me and said oh usually they scrub those after like seven or eight days but i'll see what i can do let me see if i can find it and i'm thinking my god if i were to ask the bellagio for something like that they would tell me to go off oh yeah they wouldn't even

it wouldn't even answer you you wouldn't even get to ask the question they'd like go you're not giving you any security footage forget it uh yeah but the plaza man that's That's why we love the plaza. They are... They're pretty great, pretty down the worst. They're the frog pants of Vegas, really. They kind of are. It's nice, because you're right.

Usually dealing with these places, they're just monolithic and impenetrable. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Souless, faceless organizations, but the plaza has a soul and a face. Yeah. We love that soul and that face. Yeah, we love the face, the soul, and really all the other parts are nice as well. That's right.

Anyway, so back to Brent P's question. Well, if you're in the Discord, Brent, then boy, oh boy, have we got a channel for you inside the Discord? There is a, it's now called other meetups, or Freight Pants Meetups. Oh, yeah. Gene's been doing a great job sort of culling these groups into where they should be after they're done. It's great. She's doing a good job. Great job or like a really heavy-handed job.

I'm trying to decide. No, you don't like the heavy lifting. kidding, Jeannie. I totally am kidding. I really like it. Yeah, no, these things need like, you got to call that. We don't need the, here's what we're all doing Monday. Oh, chat in here if you need to remember where we're at. Yeah.

But we do still have the TMS Vegas Photos channel. That channel's not going away. TMS Vegas Chat's not going away. But the TMS Vegas Photos is, well, now there's a bunch of chat in there. Come on, move it to the other channel. But there's a ton of photos in there from the event. And there's a picture of me somehow force choking red fraggle. I don't know how I did that.

Just like, you know, did the Darth Vader business on her, but she's far away. Sure. You got people getting tattoos, absinthe, lots of stuff from Area 15. Look at all this great stuff. Stuff from the karaoke night. I think that's Shave Maddox up there on stage, rocking it. Yeah, that's who that is. What is he?

Oh, wow. Look at him up there. I've been zooming in on these photos to actually look at the TV behind him and see if I can figure out what he's singing because little girl, something in the middle. Oh, he must be doing... It takes some time.

The middle by Jimmy World. Jimmy is what he's doing? Yes, that is the song. There you go. I think that's what he's doing. Just from those three lyrics, hey, everybody, check out shliric.com, S-H-H-L-Y-R-I-C. If you want to play lyric games like I just did. Yeah, he's interesting because he's super fun to be around, like totally cool guy, right?

But he's kind of quiet and unassuming. Yeah. But also he's got that, I don't know how to describe this. There's something about his demeanor that makes me smile and laugh for no reason. He doesn't have to say anything. Yeah, yeah. But there's something about his chill state where, you know, I have resting bitch face. I look terrible and I'm just like, if I'm just looking at my phone, people think I'm pissed.

It's just how I look. I can't help it. There's no around it. You're pretty neutral looking. My sister looks like she's trying to help everybody. Everybody's got a thing. Shave Maddox, just a delight to see sitting there. Yeah, about him.

Yeah, exactly. Don't know what it is. It's really weird. Anyway, well, so there you have it. We want to see your photos, I guess is the point. Brent's asking. And we'll see those soon and spread those far and wide. There's a really good red fraggle one of me and you outside of the high roller.

I think that's where this is. Oh, really? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's out and it was day one. It was out in front of the pool. Oh, is it the pool party. And you're like whispering something to me and I've got like a little card.

So people should caption this. I know. Yeah, that's a really good idea. Oh, my God. Caption contest. Yeah. Oh, what can we give away? I have, um,

I can do a swag pack of A&B, Coverville, and soundography swag. Yep, and I'll throw in some stickers and magnets and stuff. We'll make a combo pack, ship two different things to the same person, make their day happy. So here, you know what, we'll start the contest here, so you've all heard it. You've seen the image. Redfraggle, give them a permalink somewhere so they can just get to it. And then I'll put this up on Twitter after the show. oh good and push it there for everybody who can't be here live and then we'll give away the prize uh we'll give it away monday for this caption contest okay yeah it works for me look at this random like i don't know yeah give you the weekend you yeah give you the weekend you guys need the weekend well done brent you uh you you somehow goaded us into doing a caption contest there it is um all right uh let's see yeah he's averagely tall i'd say sure yeah yeah he's not a short short guy

by any stretch. Put me next to Bobby, and then you'll think we've done something terrible. I mean, Bobby's a little tiny person compared to me. We look like, I look like his dad. He's, he's, uh, he's science disco ball Jesus. Yeah, I feel like he is science disco ball Jesus. Why don't you change your name, Bobby? That should be it from now on.

All right. Well, enough inside baseball. Let's get to a segment. Do you like reading, Brian? How do you feel about reading? I like reading. I like books. I like listening to books and I like looking at books.

I have books. I have books around me. Are you currently reading anything of note? I'm not. I'm about to start. Hold on. No, it's a good. You're reaching for it, grabbing it, got it.

Oh, here we go. Because there was two I wanted to show you. There's the one I'm about to start, J.L. Civ. And it's a book called L Extreme based on the songs of Benji Hughes. This is an original novel that Jacob Lissiveta, who is a TMS and Coverville listener, wrote. Oh, that's cool. It's a second book. Timely Persuasion is the first one, and that's one I'm doing books on tape.

I'm doing an audiobook form of. Oh, you're doing one. Yeah. I'm doing one. And then there's this one, the official dictionary of sarcasm. Oh, sweet. Which is probably the most useful book I've ever seen in my damn life. I imagine so.

This is going to help the show, too. This is content. It's going to help the show because it's sarcasm. Like, give me, tell me a topic, and I'll tell you a sarcastic thing about it. All right. Here you go. Ariola size. Oh, geez, Louise.

Really? I don't know what that popped into my head. Why is that the first thing? I don't know. I feel bad now. I promise I wasn't fixated on the nipples or anything. It just came out. Are you looking at.

Tractor. Are you on a tractor website? I'm on a tractor website and something just came up. Now I'm there again. I can't stop myself. Let's see here. I'm going to play this way. I've got, I'm going to play this way you look here. While Brian looks up his sarcastic reply, welcome Amy to the program. Hi, Amy. I'm certainly not going to say this sarcastic reply now. No, yeah, of course not. Well, I have one for you, sir. It's almost as though I see. I see. suggested there be a caption contest for that photo. Oh, you did? Did you really? Yes. Oh, I missed it.

Where did you do this? Red on air fraggle. I mean, really, come on. Did you really do this? I missed this. Was it in the thread there? You did it in the TMS photos channel? Oh, crap.

Oh, I'm sorry. That's my, our bad. That's okay. It was just funny. I was like, oh, that's what, and Claire even caught it. He was, you know, Claire was like, oh, if only someone had suggested that, Red. Yeah, Claire's on, she's on, she's on some kind of high alert, that girl.

I don't know what her deal is. Well, it's good to have you here. Brian, what you, do you have a retort, a sarcastic retort? No, well, I'm not going to do one for breasts. Plus, this one that they have in here really isn't that funny, actually. All right. How about, how about a sarcastic retort? I'll just get to do, I'm going to randomly pick a page here.

Here's a sarcastic retort. Go. Oh, photographs. we're talking about photos, right? Sure. Oh, my God. Hold on. I've got to get the reading glasses.

It's light peach type on white paper. Here we go. Oh, they're just trying to get you. Photograph. An irrefutable, I'm sorry, irrefutable visual record of the fact that between the ages of 11 and 15, you look like a total dork. Oh, wow. Sarcasm just dripping out of that retort. Oh, zing.

Whoa. Put that book in a safe place between now and the next. time you read it. Good Lord. Dangerous business. Let's see. Hold on. Hold on. Perverted. A word used to indignantly describe an abhorrent sexual practice that you might like to try. That one's better. That one's all right. Yeah, that one's all right. I can feel the true sarcasm. I've actually read timely persuasion, Brian.

Oh, have you really? Well, yeah, you probably don't remember this, but I actually won it from you as like a coverable contest years ago. Oh, okay. Weird. Long, long time ago. But yeah. And I enjoyed it. It's good. It's an interesting take on time travel and pop culture references and things. It's interesting. It totally is.

Nice, nice. By the way, I ended up with that. So Amy gave me the Dugie Houser game, the single person sit down and play thing that you sent her. Yeah, that one. Yeah, that one. I have that to do. So we've now, it's gone from Denver to Georgia to Salt Lake City, where it'll go next. who even knows.

Who knows? I was thinking Tom Merritt might like something like that, so maybe we'll do that. I don't know. Oh, yeah. That would be fun. You probably like that. You should make some content out of it, though, Scott, because like watching you try to figure out things, as we know is really fun.

I will have my wife film the entire ordeal. How about that? You absolutely should. By the way, Desk, something on the top of which you have always wanted to have fierce animalistic sex with your coworker, but somehow only ever managed to use for data entry in the occasional power stapling job wow wow the sarcasm yeah that's sarcasm right there yeah it doesn't feel like sarcasm it more feels like uh it's like a the tasteless jokes for 2022 or something yeah exactly remember those books those were must-havs when we were in junior high

in high school you had to have the truly tasteless jokes all those thin books in in uh a variety of colors yeah what a weird thing he wished he had invented urban dictionary yeah yeah Right. Yeah, exactly. Kind of do. All right, Amy, we've got you here, of course, for read this, our segment about books and cool books. People should be checking out, especially books that fit our community. Brian found something good in there. I found a good one. I'm a bookmarked that one. That's good. That's good. Yeah. Amy, do you want me to play this clip ahead of time? Do you have any kind of set up for it? How do you want? Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, you can go ahead and play this clip. I will just say today, we're going back to Discworld because I love it there. Oh, my gosh. All right. So this is about, that's about two minute clip.

everybody, so sit tight and enjoy. Another and larger part of Tiffany's brain was thinking of the word sorceress. It was a word that not many people have thought about ever. As her fingers rubbed the trout under its chin, she rolled the word round and round

in her head. Susserous. According to her grandmother's dictionary, it meant a low soft sound as of whispering or muttering. Tiffany liked the taste of the word. It made her think of mysterious people in long cloaks, whispering important secrets behind a door, Susseris. She'd read the

dictionary all the way through. No one told her you weren't supposed to. Something else was in the water. Only a few inches from her face. It was a round basket, no bigger than half a coconut shell, coated with something to block up the holes and make it float. A little man, only six inches high, was standing up in it. He had a mass, untidy red hair. into which a few feathers, beads, and bits of cloth had been woven. He had a red beard, which was pretty much as bad as the hair. The rest of him, that wasn't covered with blue tattoos, was covered with a tiny kilt. And he was waving a fist at her and shouting,

Krivens, gang away out here, you daft wee hini! Where are the green heed? With that, he pulled it a piece of string that was hanging over the side of his boat, and a second red-headed man surfaced, gulping air. No time for fishing, said the first man, hauling him aboard. The green heeds coming. Crivens, said the swimmer. Let's off ski.

And with that, he grabbed one very small oar, and with rapid back and forth movements, made the basket speed away. Excuse me? Tiffany shouted, are you fairies? But there was no answer. The little round boat had disappeared in the reeds. Probably not, Tiffany decided. Then, to her dark delight, there was a sussarous.

Ooh, a sussarous. Susserous. Ooh, that girl reminded me of you with an accent, Amy. Oh, it's almost like that's exactly what it was. Oh, my hell. Is that really you? That was totally you. Yes, that was me.

Weird. Oh, really? There is an audiobook version of this book, but, um, I mean, I'm sure that, I'm sure the married. I've had no freaking idea that that was actually you. I mean, I really, I thought, oh, well, there's a passing resemblance to the tenor of this person's voice or something. That's really amazing.

Yeah, that's very good. Yeah, that was me. I, you know, okay, so the name of the book is the Wee Freeman. The name of the series is the Tiffany Aking series, and I absolutely, Scott, if you want to put up the little picture I sent you with the little disc world map, this would be a good time for that. But, yeah, like there's a whole series that's just about this girl named Tiffany Aking, and she is the main character. So it kind of just bugged me that the narrator on Audubborn. was a man. And so I decided, I was like, oh. And plus, just to be honest, I just kind of wanted to read all the silly voices myself. I just thought it would be fun. So I recorded it myself.

You're the first person I've ever met who made their own audio book from a book. That's, I'm sure someone else has done this. Interestingly, I used to do that all the time. I used to do that for my kids. You know, my kids always wanted me to read out loud to them, you know, before they became hideous teenagers and now have no time to hang out with me. But yeah, they used to always want me to do the voices for everything and and read all stuff out loud to them. And so some of them I actually did. I recorded a few of them and gave them to my cousins for their kids and stuff like that.

That's great. I love that. Yeah. Cool thing. So, man, I'm still a little bit blown away by that and I'm having a hard time forming questions. So when you, um, uh, you do the entire book.

Take that as a compliment. I did this section for the show. Oh, you did this like, this is fresh. This is right off the printer then out of your voice printer. Okay. Awesome. That's amazing. And it's actually, I edited it down so that it would be under two minutes because there's actually a little bit more to it.

And I was like, okay, we don't really need that part. And that's why I sent you the message was like, is it okay if it's two minutes? Because I usually try and limit it to one minute. Sure. So this chart you sent me is interesting because it's basically a, well, it's literally what it says. The Discworld Reading Order Guide 3.0. And it shows not, I guess it's an order to read them, but also it breaks them down into their chunks. And this is curious to me.

Like I didn't know there was some, like there's a whole section here. It says Industrial Revolution. I didn't know that was a part of his. I had no idea. There's the death novels, the watch novels, ancient civilization. witches novels. Like, I guess the whole point of Discworld is that it is kind of all over the place, but I didn't realize how all over the place it is.

Oh, yeah. I mean, if you, and the reason that that exists is because Terry Pratchett was sort of all over the place with the way he wrote them. And so he would bounce from the watch over to witches and whatnot. It didn't matter. So if you try and follow Discworld just in the order that they came out, you won't be lost or anything. I mean, it's all very self-referential and you'll get it. But if you want to have a sort of linear, this leads to this leads to this, leads to this experience, then that

reading guide is a really good way to do it. Yeah. Or if you just particularly like certain characters. Like, I love, I love Tiffany aching. That's my absolute favorite. And I also love the time monks. And again, the way he released the books, they're sort of all over the place. And you could see how some of them link to some large lines link to other lines in tangential ways. So if you just want to read everything that contains death or everything that can as a character, you know, everything that contains the time monks, you can follow this little chart and go, oh, okay, there's a reference to them there and there's a thing here. and, you know, but if you don't particularly like the guards books, you can just avoid them. I don't see how you wouldn't like the guards books because I love them.

So it's probably, I'm going to save that for another time. It's probably a lot. Well, I mean, obviously, you have your favorite little thread there. I'm sure everybody does. And that's why a chart like this exists, right? For him, like it feels like required Terry Pratchett breakdown data so that you kind of know where you want to spend your time. Right. Exactly.

Because it's, it is. It's very. He did a wonderful job of building a world, and it is sprawling and all over the place. So if you have a particular thing that you want to stay in this little part of Discworld, then you can do that. That's pretty awesome. Very cool. Where can people find this link other than our show, obviously? Because they're hearing me talk about it and seeing it on stream.

But is this like a thing anyone can just get somewhere? Oh, yeah. I just searched for it on Google. I searched for Terry Pratchett reading order or Discworld reading order. And that's the Google search that comes up. That's awesome. All right. Do that, everybody.

I keep, look, you've been, you've talked about Terry Pratchett a few times on here. And I still don't know where I want to insert myself. Like, I know. I was actually going to say, like, Brian has Parasite and Loki to bug you about. I'm going to start bugging you about disc world. Oh, great.

Great. That's all I need. Do not try to consume all three simultaneously. Your mind will explode. Well, now that moon night's over. The dreams, the dream segments we would get out of him, Brian. Like, think about the massive weird dreams we would get if he were reading, you know, Hogfather at the same time as watching Loki.

It would be fantastic. Oh, my gosh. I already have weird dreams. I think this, I don't know, every time you do talk about it, I get tempted to start one. And I'm right now kind of not in a book. So between books. I'm between books. I really, really love that Stormlight Art.

archive book one thing from Brandon Sanderson. I loved it. And I'm tempted to just keep moving, but maybe I'll wait for his fourth book. There we go. A.V. Tech John found the link to the Oh, there you go. Use that. Oh, we can always count on Avey Tech John. No, it's his job. He literally, this is his purpose for

existing is to find cool things online. Yeah, that's his job. You even get to talk about the actual books. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm just glaring on about Terry Pratchett. So Tiffany Aking is a, it's, she starts out as a nine-year-old girl who lives on what in Discworld is called the Chalk, which is essentially an analog for the outskirts of Scotland. And she wants to be a witch. And ultimately is a natural witch.

And she meets up with these little blue men who are called Pictsies or Nack Mac Fegel. And they believe that they are dead and that this is their heaven. and thus they get to run around and butt things with their heads and drink all they want and and basically they're like, you know, unruly Scotsman. That's awesome. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, so it's a little, she's got five books where she goes on different adventures and it's a great, it's a great book for, again, it's sort of staying in my little thing I mentioned. the last time about loving Y.A. novels. It's very appropriate for, you know, young readers.

And Tiffany sort of grows up with the books. So by the fifth book in the series, which, as an interesting footnote, the Shepard's Crown was the last novel that Sir Terry Pratchett wrote. So this character, do we ever see her in any kind of adaptations, movies, TV stuff, or any of that? That ever happened? Not yet. I keep hearing. mutterings about it on things like, yeah, I'm on a Facebook group for people who love Discworld. And I keep hearing people muttering about it, but nothing has come to fruition just yet. They tried to make a TV series that was loosely based on the guards, but it made them, it didn't put them in Discworld. It put them in sort of a modern setting.

And it didn't, yeah, it didn't go over very well. I never actually saw it. There was so much backlash about it. I don't know if they just, you know, chucked it or what, sorry. My husband hates when I use that as an expression for throwing things away. He's like, you mean you throw it away, right? Chuck did it in the bin? Yeah, would he prefer that I Charles did away?

No, you probably wouldn't. Nobody wants to Charles their leftover Applecour or whatever. They want to chuck it. No, I understand why you feel that way. All right. Well, definitely do check all of this out. And as usual, Amy's full of great recommendations inside and outside of the show. Amy, tell people where they can track you down and hear more of your cool stuff.

Yeah, so I'm doing stuff on TikTok again. So Red Fraggle 3. I'm kind of trying to very intermittently be on Twitter, but I just kind of pop in there, say something funny, and then pop back out because it's bad for my mental health to be on there right now. So yeah, you can follow the hashtag Chuck says weird stuff if you want to see just wildly inappropriate things that my husband says. They're always fun and entertaining. Also, for anyone in the southeast or who is willing to travel to the southeast, we are trying to put together a fall tadpool meetup in the southeast. We're thinking like Asheville. So there is currently in the

other meetups discord there's currently a survey posted there so very nice feel free to feel free to weigh in on that and um i think chuck and september and i are trying to trying to put that together oh i didn't know september that's when you could possibly get brian dennaway to go to because uh it's close it's in his back yeah he might even drive there that's my hope yeah that's my hope is it to get done away there's a lot of i know we have a ton of listeners in the um in that area specifically in georgia i think you'd probably have a pretty good turnout if we get the word out so uh go check that out if you haven't been to the discord yet you can get in there easily and for free and without any kind of code or anything if you just go to frogpants.com slash contact or TMS any of the slash forwards has

has all that info so join up today if you have not already plus it's a good community nice people in there join the do gooders lovely yeah go do some good too you can do that there's food there's music you can promote cool stuff you're doing we let you do it all there except show naked pictures of yourself. That's the only thing that's off limits. Brian Beckford. If you want to go see my frogs that I made for everybody, not everybody, but lots of people.

There's pictures of those posted in the Discord as well. Yeah. And if you want Brian naked, he has an only fans page. It's fine. You go there. No, that's a separate Discord channel. I'm looking at right now. It's right under TMS Vegas photos. Oh, I didn't realize. I thought we'd move this off site. After dark photos, I think is what it's

called. Excellent. Well, once again, Discord wins. All right. Amy, it's always good to have here. Have a fantastic rest of your week, and we'll see you next Thursday. Bye. Bye. I can't hang up on her. That's a good question. There she goes. All righty, that was good. Let's see. We have time for some news here this morning. Yeah. We missed reporting our news yesterday, and I feel like we've journalistically let down the people. So now's the time to re-up our journalistic efforts by playing this. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. In the news this morning. Good morning. morning it's the news and it's brought to you by do you like a comprehensive video game focus

podcast then listen to core brand new episode tonight search for core on all the podcast apps or get it now at frogpants.com slash core yeah you want to hear what what dirt we want to say about the clash royale rip-off blizzards making you want to hear about that tonight you want to also hear about Square Enix selling off all of its Western studios and IPs such as Tomb Raider and others I can't think of in the moment. Why that's happening, why they're focusing entirely on their Japanese development. Well, we'll have a lot to say about that as well. So check it out tonight. It'll be live at 5 p.m. Mountain if you want to watch live. That's when we do it. Okay. Yes, with noted mobile game superfan John Jagger TV again.

In fact, we did a live watch-along. I put the audio up on the feed, and I know you heard part of it, Brian, but man, he really, really dislikes mobile gaming, really doesn't like it. So does Stephanie in our chat room, in our occasional chat room, she said, yeah, I'm with John. I don't like mobile gaming. And I say, what do you do when you're waiting in line somewhere, and it's a long line, and you have to sit there? She's like, oh, I look around and I talk to people around me.

And I said, well, you know, you're probably saving humanity from turning into a bunch of bunch of bet neck, uh, antisocial introverts. Yeah, you're probably right. She's probably going the right direction. But for me and Brian, I'm going to, I'm going to put some words in it. I got to, exactly. Yeah, put some letters into squares for points. That's right. I got to jump over chasms and, and, uh, yeah, I got to push some JPEGs around, you know, you got to get it done. Right. Merge some pixels together to get points. Yeah. Got to watch those numbers go up. Uh, all right. Let's get to this story here. Yeah.

Our first story of the day. Speaking of Vegas. Yeah, this is very Vegas focused. Actually, our first two stories are. To save water amid a mega drought, Las Vegas is outlawed grass. Outlawed grass. Yeah. First, they allow grass.

Yeah. And now they're outlawing grass. Yeah, and for all you 420 heads, they don't mean that grass. Okay. They're just talking about. That grass is still just fine. Oh, you can get that anywhere. What if you grow pot plants in your front yard?

Is that okay? because it kind of feels like it. Oh, that's a great question. It solves both issues. I kind of want to see somebody's lawn made of nothing but cannabis grass. I kind of want to see what that looks like. Because would that even work because they grow tall, right? They don't grow short.

So you'd have to, you'd basically get knee-high lawn. And then you could go out whenever you wanted, pick yourself off a bud or two, is my understanding. And then you take them inside and you do whatever you do. and then you roll those into some sort of doobie, right? A doobie. You dry out the leaves. Yeah, but then it's in duby form. That's right.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And then you might, yeah, if I remember anything from high school, you have a roach clip of some sort. Do you remember that? Remember roach clips? I totally remember roach clips. Yeah, absolutely. We had kids I knew in high school who never smoked an ounce of weed in their lives, but still had roach clips on their hats and clothes and backpacks.

It was just like the way of saying, hey, I'm cool. If you need a roach clip, I got you. I'm not partaking, but I got you if you need one. Such an 80s counterculture BS. I'm so dumb. Anyway, so here's what they're doing. For southern Nevada, dwellers, dwelling is almost 2.5 million folks. There's a lot of people there.

And visited by upwards of 40 million vacationers every year. The issue is especially acute. The area is determined by Lake Mead, the close by reservoir behind Hoover Dam in Colorado. for 90% of its ingested water. So all that water you're drinking while we're in Vegas, it's coming out of... Well, not in my case. I took a case of Costco water in our car.

Did you really? So we drank that a lot. So I probably had some, I guess, at the restaurants and things, I had some water there. Got to stay hydrated. The lake has been shrinking since 2000 and is now so low.

The unique water consumption was overall... Sorry, was uncovered final week. What does that mean? This is so poorly written. It's really weird the way it's written. Yeah. Yeah. So now the unique water consumption was uncovered final week. It's not just me, right?

It's uncovered final week. No, no. That's broken. All right. It's now slow low, the unique water consumption was uncovered final week. That makes no sense. You know, I wonder if it was, well, what is it, global online moni? It's not even money.

They, like, misspelled the word. What is it? Global online. line money i don't know what the what is this website line money low global linnomony global on litemone this is aft global online money is the name of the of the site if you go to the site and it says up in the header but it's spelled m o n y yeah on the on the URL boy this is a trustworthy source we oh that's awesome well at least they got it notice let's just put we bought the damn URL nobody will notice. Hopefully they don't...

I love the idea that somebody accidentally left the E-off when they'd search for it. Good Lord. I've done that before. I bought a domain and went, oh, shit. And had a typo in the name? Yeah. Or I searched for one with a typo and it said it was already taken and I was like, oh, dang it.

So then I went and found an alternative, but really the one with the correct spelling wasn't taken. Was available? That's great. That happened with Fred and Cairns. That's why I had... So I went to go find Fred and Can.com. and it said, oh, sorry, taken. And I went, oh, well, that's lame.

How is that even possible? So then I went to do anything else, and I found Fred and Can Comic Online or something, and that's what I ended up using. And then later, just for fun, I went and searched it again, and went, wait, it's here. I could have had it. What happened?

And so I don't know what I did, but I put some letter in there that made it something else, and it was taken, and I was so pissed at myself. It's all good now. It's all forwarding back to where it needs to go, but it was annoying. It was $15 I didn't need to spend either. anyway.

Yeah, Terry Zee in Chicago does point out, we did just give away an award a week ago that had a typo of our own show's name. Oh, yeah. But think of it this way. Like, we knew, okay, so when Brian pointed that out, could we have fixed it, redone it, whatever? Yes, but Brian, A, Brian had already done most of the work on the front panel

when we realized it. And second, so having him redo that to, pain. It's a lot to get ready for Vegas. He already had his plateful. So that was my main motivation. It's like, we're not going to make Brian redo a thing that I effed up with the spelling. But also, it's more fun than it's misspelled.

It was a very short trip to, you know what? This is way more fun than it's a typo. Way more fun. Yeah, it didn't take much for us to agree. It's more fun. More fun as a type. And less work. It works out. Anyway, I think a monkey bananas ended up with that thing finally, because again, his brother has no

idea who we are in no connection because when monkey bananas, Mike was carrying that thing around at the, at the bar, at Artifice, like it was the statue that Indiana Jones rescues from the rolling ball at the beginning of Raiders. Like, he was prizing that possession. He was carrying it like Belloc wanted it. Oh my gosh. Yeah, Belloc, he'd say in his feet of the director. Exactly. So, it is nothing that you can possess that I cannot take away. So, uh, when, so, but then, Monkey bananas ran around and had all of us sign it. That made me think he was going to keep it, but I don't know. Maybe.

I don't know. You know, Mike earned it fair and square? No, he totally earned it. He kicked my aim. Hopefully he listens to the show now. Like, can you imagine the guy who doesn't listen to the show gets brought along as a plus one or plus two to this fan event for a show that he doesn't listen to? He ends up winning a prize, a one-of-a-kind prize from the hosts of said show and doesn't start listening? I don't want to know that person.

Mike, can you let us know? And if not, Monkey Bananas, did he fall to temptation and is part of the deal now? I'd love to know. I'd love to know, yeah. Tell us. By the way, I have one more. I didn't tell you. No, when you got there.

I have. Because I did two prints, right? So I have a second one that is unprimed, unlabeled. Yeah, virgin. A virgin, a virgin arcade machine. I don't know what we do with it, but we do something. Come up with something, yeah. Let's do, I don't know, we'll talk about this,

but I think we'll do something really cool. I'll do some more art and we'll make something rad out of it. Sure, exactly. We'll come up with a label for a game called Asteroids. Asteroids, yeah. Spell that wrong. Asteroads. Dulks.

Oh, I would love to play a game of Asteroads. DeLokes. There are you. Asteroads delokes. Will the arcade let me eat Donnette? while I play, or is that going to make things? Yeah, there you go. Donnets. Some delicious donuts. Donnets. You know what we could do.

Let me think about that. Oh, you got an idea? Well, I'm trying to think of it. I have some cool art I did for Brian while back some Modoc art. I was trying to think of it. Oh, yeah. Just make a cool thing that you could display and have. We don't have to give it away, you know. That's true. Good.

Something Brian wants to have. Because, you know, he doesn't have enough trinkety stuff. He needs more. I know. I know, exactly. No, let's give it away as a prize. I don't need one more thing to dust, Scott Johnson. Plus, I don't know where I put it. Yeah, where would you put it?

Everything's so symmetrical back there. I don't know where you'd even put it. Yeah. I don't know. Who knows? Final story now. We're going to stay in Lake Mead for a bit. Wow.

Well, well said. I like that. Stay in Lake Mead for a bit. Yeah, this is what happened to literally somebody. A body in a barrel was disneyed. discovered at Lake Mead and is likely a gunshot murder victim from decades ago. Wow. The plunging water level line in Lake Me, the country's largest reservoir.

Oh, I didn't know it's the country's largest. But of course, this is written by real people who are smart and actually right now. Well, this is not written by online moni. Yeah, an AI bot that wrote the whole thing. Online moni and tractors.com. Making that sweet mooney. That's right. Let's see.

They unveiled another disturbing discovery this week. weekend, or over the weekend, police say a body in a barrel. The person was spending, or a person was spending time at the lake on Sunday afternoon, found the barrel, according to Las Vegas Metropolitan Homicide, Lieutenant Ray Spencer. The person could see the remains in the barrel because it was corroded. You know, corrosion happens after time. The investigators believe the person was likely a murder victim who died of a gunshot wound. According to the release, an investigation is now underway, and detectives believe the victim was killed sometime between the mid-70s and early 80s. based on the clothing and footwear the victim was found with.

So this is like some casino era. Right. Yeah, this would have been, you know, bugsy taking him out and, uh, yeah. You want or you should rub them out, you know, that sort of thing. Yo, yo, Vinnie the Hands or whatever's name would be. Right. Take care of that guy, that sort of thing. Investigators are working to confirm the identity of the victim, which was released

to the Clark County coroner's office, about 25 million people in Arizona, Nevada, California, and Mexico were lying like mead. which is running out of water at an alarming rate. They think, well, let's see, the barrel was likely dropped hundreds of yards off the shore back then. But now that's shoreline. So that makes sense. It's pulled back that much. So my guess is it ain't the first, it ain't the last barrel they're going to find more.

They're definitely going to find more barrels and more bodies. Because that late 70s, early 80s period, it's a little dirty in Vegas, a little bit of, they hadn't quite got the mob out of town yet. Robert Eurek himself, I think, was responsible for at least five of those. Oh, easily. Him and a man called Hawk. They were out there all the time. That's right. Him and Commander Cisco out there burying bodies.

That's it for your news. We are going to take a break. And when we come back, my sister Wendy's back. Everybody, she's back. Wendy's back again. And it's been like three weeks. So we've missed her terribly. She has a lot to say.

And it'll be fun to have her here and talk about this cool email that we got. She has a lot of advice all piled up that she's just going to spew out. Yeah, be ready. Yeah, be ready. It's like the front row of a Gallagher concert. You're going to want that tarp. Okay? So get ready for that.

Hey, Brian, before we go to her, we need music. So could you please give me some? Sure. Let's go to Pasadena, California, and meet Charlie Hickey. He's releasing his debut album later this month, and it's via satisfactory records, which is run by Phoebe Bridgers, who's a friend of Charlie Hickey's. We know Phoebe Bridges, and she's great, and we love her.

And so she's put her stamp on approval of this song, this album. The album is going to be called, Nervous at Night, comes out May 20th on Sadist Factory Records. Got to say that slowly so you know it's two words. Here is the new single, Gold Line. By the way, that describes me, saddest at night. That's what, or not saddest, what was it? Nervous at night.

That's totally me. Nervous at night. I don't ever get nervous in the day. At night, my brain goes on full alert and I can't sleep. I hate it. So, yeah, that's me. Oh, and I took one of your muscle relaxers last night, so I thought of you because I had to.

Did you wake up all foggy this morning? I did. A little bit, yeah. Yeah. That stuff's not, it's the hard stuff. You got to, you know, you got to pace yourself on that. Good night's sleep, but boy, do I wake up foggy. Yeah, Grog, gorilla grog in the morning.

It's not really his name. All right. Anyway, here it is. We're going to play this song. Come right back, everybody, because we're not going to be long. We'll see you in a sec. In a college town, fall asleep to the sound of drunk walks home.

I'm in California trying to pin you down. Do you feel the same way I do you sense? to know but I sure think so Oh God I think I'm in a bad spot

I think feeling things is too hard Is he and I'm gonna get what I want? Turn around my phone so you can watch the gold line leave. You see their local coffee shop where that be this film was shot i know it's not that interesting but i want you to see what i see oh god i think i'm in that bad spot i think i'm in that's far i think we're The things is too hard.

I've got this feeling I'm not going to get what I want. Because for God's sake, you live in a different state. A great league college football but isn't a mistake. to think that we're not just old on dampy lines What's the point of even trying to? Oh God I think I'm in that's in that time. I don't think I want to fall in the heart

I think that it's already done. I think that it's already done. I think that it's already done. I think that it's already done. I think that it's okay. I'm not 18 anymore. By now I'm fat and can't do nothing. The Morning Stream. It's What's in the Yogurt.

We're back, everybody. Remind me who that was one more time. That was Charlie Hickey from his upcoming album, Nervous at Night, in a song called Goldline. No relation to William Hickey. Uh, probably not. You asked for it. You got it. Toyota. Toyota.

he's the best he is he is the best or what's the best blessing he's so good he's so good all right um well done let's see if we can get windy all up in it i bet we can i bet if we try if we all close our eyes and wish hard enough a wendy will appear it seems possible um though she is offline but that might just be out of practice you know she's been a it's been a bit yeah since we've had her on but we're about to find out if we're going to get lucky today doorbell button power harness it with all your life oh look who it is it's my sister windy who has not been here for like three weeks or something yeah where have you been i know it's been me the whole time i had a dental thing

that got in the way one week i had to go to Vegas had to go to Vegas by the way a lot of people there going oh we love windy tell windy hi windy's great and we tried to face time you with a couple of them but it didn't go through or you thought i know i thought you but dialed me I didn't actually see it, but... Yeah, you saw it later, and you're like... FaceTime butt dial. That's the worst kind. Yeah, we call it butt time.

Anyway, it's nice to have you here. I've got to tell you a funny story about your son, Peter. Can I tell you that story? Oh, sure. It's really funny. So, not that funny, but whatever. Last night, it took me this long to see it. Last night I'm playing a game on my Xbox Series X,

and I'm on the couch and just chilling. And playing this game, and then I got a notification on the... dashboard that said, hey, you got a bunch of captures that you haven't done anything with. Do you want to, you know, do you want to do anything with these captures? Basically, that means, you know, I captured some video or some screenshots of a game or something. And you can take those and export them and put them on social or whatever. Anyway, um, I thought, well, why do I have that many? There's like 50 in there. And I know I've only ever done maybe 10, 12. And of our, and the ones I do use, I end up deleting immediately. So it's not like they're there for a long time. Like, what is going on? So I go in there. And, and I go in there. And, and. And, and the ones I do use. And And I noticed that nearly all of them are short video clips, like 30-second video clips, of the game I played with Peter when you guys were in town. And so what it was, the controller, do I have one here? No.

The Series X controller has a little button in the center that's a share button, basically. And it's a button that you only push when you want to capture like the last 30 seconds of gameplay or a quick screenshot or whatever. And you only do it when you mean to do it. And it's not like in the way. so you don't accidentally hit it very often. But Peter, when he plays games that are competitive at it all, he is jumping around the couch, swinging all over the place, pushing, mashing buttons like there's no tomorrow.

And he pushed that button more often. So I ended up getting 50 images or videos of nothing because Peter was just like a spaz on the controller. It was amazing. Oh, yeah. Now he is, it is hard. So I'm leaving those on there. him at dinner.

I'm leaving those on there. It's our legacy of Uncle Time or something. I thought he would do it by on purpose and then like he was just like. No, no. He didn't do like a trick. Like where Brian did this in Vegas where somebody'd say take a picture of us and Brian would take pictures of himself with the reverse camera before he'd take the reverse camera before he'd take the rip of that.

I always do that, Brian. What does that mean about us? Yeah, what does that say? I think it's that we're awesome and funny and that we like the surprise that they will inevitably feel when they look through their camera roll. and see 15 pictures of us making faces. Totally. I do it with strangers all the time.

Oh, my gosh. So, like, if somebody at a plate, like a vacation says, can you take this picture and you take it straight? Really? You'll still do that? Always. And I always act like I don't know how their camera works. And it just takes to take a second.

Yeah. And then I'll see what I do. I do is I flip it around as they're handing it to me. And I say, okay, now nobody makes some weird faces like, oh, this one, you're taking pictures while you're doing it. Yes, exactly. Awesome. That's great.

You're the human behavior expert. What does it say about you guys? Yeah, and that's exactly what Brian said. We're awesome. We're funny. Exactly. We're bringing people joy. Delayed joy.

They'll find it later. Delayed joy. Yeah. Like when the, it always reminds me back in the film days where you couldn't do it. You couldn't preview whatever pictures were taken recently. There was always these stories that if you went to the wrong hotel in Mexico and then went back home and got your pictures developed, you'd find one of,

like one of the maids or something putting a put in your toothbrush in their bum or something weird like that right yes yeah that was always the thing that freaked me out i was always terrified of that you're so old they were called the maid yeah they were the maid yeah that was a long time ago and also uh i am old yeah that is great um all right let's get to this week's question uh for those confused because you've just started in the last three weeks Wendy's a real professional therapist who comes on therapy Thursdays or Thursdays and talks to us about your real problems. People usually send us emails. We respond to those. And today is no different. So we're going to start with this one from somebody we're going to call AG. All right. Well, you know what? They're the

attorney general. Why not? I don't like that. Oh, yeah. Totally. It says, hi, everyone. I've been listening to your show for a while now, but I just got a burst of courage to send you an email. My boyfriend, Brandon, introduced me to TMS and Skim. I guess we're not giving Brandon a fake name. Oh, whatever. Alright. We'll leave it. It's in there. Go Brandon. Yeah, go Brandon. There's a lot of Brandon's, so it'll be fun. Jeez. Introduce me to TMS and Skim, and I have to say, I love listening to Scott and Kim and how you interact with each other on Skim. It's very nice. And I told Kim about this, so she knows as well. I have a question for Wendy. I've been going through some mental health stuff lately, and I wanted to get your opinions on it in terms of how my boyfriend may be able to help or even if he can. I was diagnosed. I'm going to say this word wrong with Trickholatim.

Tictotillomania. Okay, so this is a common thing you've heard of? You know, of course you know. It's not common, but it's common enough. You know it enough. All right. Yeah. When I was six years old, she says she got this diagnosis.

It's an OCD condition where the victim pulls out their own hair unconsciously or consciously as a coping mechanism for anxiety and release of serotonin. My mom saw it on Oprah in the 90s, checked my head, and put me into child therapy. Oh, man. How many people did that with O'Donautil? Oprah, I wonder. Probably a lot. Probably many. Yeah. I don't know if that's good. Seems like it might be not good. Anyway, whatever. I'm getting ahead of myself. Anyway, I've been in therapy ever since and I really love it now, but it took me a while to get to the point or to that point. Cut to high school and along with getting diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder and depression in my sophomore year. In junior year, I took on too many activities slash classes slash jobs when I, that I went, she ended up going catatonic and ended up in the hospital for two weeks. I was then diagnosed with by the, bipolar at the age of 17, which is a bit early to diagnose someone with that harsh of a disease and has actually been proven wrong as of late. I had an on and off again relationship with my depression medication, but I have now accepted that I need it for the rest of my life. Turns out I may be adding another mental illness to the laundry list I already have, ADHD. I learned recently that its symptoms manifest differently in women than in men and a lot of the symptoms are characterized as characteristics in women. for some reason.

I need to get officially tested by my psychiatrist next month, but I have a strong feeling that I'll need to go through the whole experimentation process of trying medications to help me cope. Okay, so here's my question. How do I explain all of this to my boyfriend, Brandon? He doesn't suffer from any mental illnesses that I know of. I'm anxious to hear what Wendy says about that because I think we all have something. Anyway, thank goodness, but I probably have enough for both of us.

but I'm not sure how he'll react to my mood swings and things like that if I need to experiment with different dosages or different ADHD medication. Have you two or anyone here ever gone through something similar like this? In the past, I was dating anyone while my psychiatrist put me on different meds. Oh, I wasn't dating anyone. Sorry, I was dating anyone. I wasn't dating anyone while my psychiatrist put me on different medications. I feel I love Brandon and I know we're going to get engaged and married soon and I don't

want to scare him off. That's not giving him enough credit at all. I know he'll be able to handle it, but I want to do this in the most delicate way possible for his sake. Have a wonderful week, AG. Okay. So that's a lot. Um, where do you want to start with it, Wendy? How do you want to? I just have one question that she did not answer, which is, is he aware of any of this? Or are you? It sounds like not. Is he aware of the history? And then now we just don't want the experiment to experiment with the meds radies. Does he know about the trick to telomania or does, is it all new to him? I mean, obviously not knowing about the potential mood swings from the meds, but, uh,

yeah. Okay, we'll get to the meds in a second. Yeah, I, I, that would be really helpful to know if he, this is all news to him and you are keeping your whole history from him, then that's a problem. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah. Or if it's just, I don't want to experiment with the new.

drug to help you know right she's like she's stable dating things are going great she just doesn't want to destabilize anything yeah yeah but we don't listen could you just quick text that yeah just text us that information i don't feel like we know enough about the length of the relationship either not that that's maybe all that important but it does seem like maybe what have you been through yeah is this new thanksgiving dinner at sure sure and she had any had any bad days where it was like oh man she's you know she's he's seeing me now and in this way and he's never seen it before like all of those things seem like they would help us you know know more about where you're at but right and the other question or the other thing you know he knows he knows about all

of it so is uh okay wonderful okay um and then also he doesn't suffer from any mental illness that i know of thank goodness i would just assume that she really does know that he doesn't suffer he knows that he doesn't suffer that that's not a guess right right right we'll assume that sure So some of it, and the reason I'm even asking any of those questions is, you know, anyone dating and getting to know each other and then getting married, you know, if I could have your 20-year-old selves talk to your, or your 20-year-later self come back and talk to you, they'll say, you don't know each other at all. Right? Because you're changing and growing and learning and there's no way to know everything about everyone, right? Right. And so that's just a reality of relationships that, you know, I wish we, what do we have normalized, right? We have sort of the like the falling in love stage is highly anticipated and shown over and over and over in all of your media. Like, you know, you experience it's wonderful and then real life for the next however long, a lot changes. And we don't have a lot of, I don't, I mean, maybe I'm wrong and maybe this is more so out there and I'm missing it. But just what my. mature, healthy relationships look like later. And some people may say,

oh, my parents have been married 50 years, but I wouldn't say they've been happy. You know, so there's, it's up and down what people are sort of seeing and knowing. So sometimes I just like, it's my two cents. I always start one of just like, yeah, it's going to change.

It's okay. You know, like if there's enough now, you can make it work and you can figure that out. But it also means you're signing up for the old in sickness and in health. situation, right? And so being really honest with what you already know can be really important. So I'm hoping that's the case. That was my real question is, you know, if Brandon is fully aware of her history, what does he think about it? Does he have any idea? Has he read anything?

You know, like there's some due diligence, that's the wrong word, but like some due diligence on his part of just like really understanding that stuff. Because most of us just meet people where they're at in the moment and these words are just big scary words and on what that means but you seem to be fine and things are great so maybe a little research on his part can be helpful but let's talk about the ADD ADHD thing okay is it still considered super overdiagnosed these days not not that that applies here I'm just wondering because there was always talk like oh everyone thinks they've got ADHD now and it's like yeah and it's because everyone has a form of it now oh interesting okay so so that wasn't all that's not crazy it's just that

We're all... Well, okay, hold on. So let's back up. All right. The difference between... Well, okay, and she brings a really good point. It manifests itself differently. And women, let's add that to a list of things like heart attacks, depression, certain things.

Right? We have a male default model in medicine, which is we study how men experience things, and then we think that's how it's experienced. And that's not true. Women have a different response because we're not you. Anyway, so that's become new in sort of some of the understanding of it. It's why a lot of girls got missed in the 80s and 90s when things were starting to be more and more diagnosed because they just didn't present the way the boys did and the boys were acting physically more.

It was harder to ignore because they were jumping around quite a bit, right? And so lots of the inattentive daydreamer types sort of got missed. So, okay. So here we go. We're looking at all these things. I mean, you're hospitalized at 17. They are seeing these major mood swings. I mean, she's giving a lot of interesting background that could look like a lot of different things. She's diagnosed with multiple things as time goes on. Bipolar has been misdiagnosed for, definitely for people and actually as other things. That's not that uncommon, unless you get a really good clinician who diagnoses. that all the time, they can really see it. Because all these things, if we wrote a list, like we had a whiteboard and we put symptoms of generalize anxiety, symptoms of depression, symptoms of ADHD, symptoms of bipolar, symptoms of trictotillominy or any other anxiety, OCD type of disorder, you would say, wait, what? Because so many can look, they can look like each other. And then when you have

multiple things going on, it's really hard to pull apart. So it sounds like it's been a complicated history. She's found some good things that are working. All that's good. The ADHD part, and here's what's crazy, is that someone with ADHD and didn't know it forever, could have been diagnosed with other things previously, and really it was ADHD. Sometimes it's, there's other things going on, and they're getting diagnosed with ADHD when it's not. So it is, this differential in diagnosing is incredibly difficult when you're a complex case. and often sort of we find a new diagnosis

it answers our question and now we take a med and now maybe we're feeling better but humans are way more complex than that right she doesn't talk about anything that sort of else right we're talking in clinical terms

so I look at this one line where she says I took on too many activities classes and jobs okay so raise your hand if you've taken on too many classes activities and jobs before can I raise both hands

that we're doing that now Exactly. Exactly. And she ends up catatonic. Now, if everyone takes on those too many things, now everyone's going to end up a catatonic in a hospital. That's probably because they have a, you know, a type A situation going or they're very driven or there's a perfectionist thing. There is something else going on mentally and emotionally that leads someone to do too many things that they can't handle. It's approval. I mean, there's a long list that it could be. And then there is ADD or ADHD where it's like, I start a million things, I can't finish anything. I can't manage my time. It's hard to focus. And then I hyperfocus and drop everything. Like there is a version of taking on too much stuff with ADHD that is going to probably

make you catastrophic and end up in the hospital. And those listening who know they have ADHD or suspecting that they might, you know, there's symptomology to this that is pretty extreme. So for the rest of us, we just sort of like, I got on Instagram and I wasted an hour. I don't have great attention. Or, and I mean, talk about an attention training machine. Have you ever been on Twitter so long that you could not have done anything else that long, that mindlessly?

Like, do you have ADHD? I mean, no. But have you trained your, are you training your brain to get it? I'm teaching. Right, exactly. I'm trying to get it. I'm working towards getting age. So, okay, before we get too far from that concept, there's been, I feel like, and this

was controversial for some reason, I even said this on Twitter, I feel like in some ways I have given myself ADHD and I don't mean like some big pronounced acute case or anything or any kind of particular, you know, marked version of it. I just mean some of those tendencies to lose focus and jump to something else. else when I absolutely had no intention of doing it or whatever like I feel like I've done that to myself a little bit over time because I don't remember being like this when I was younger and I had somebody on Twitter go don't say that that's not how it works you can't get you can't give yourself I'm not I'm doing this voice not trying to make fun of them they were just were mad they're like

you can't give yourself ADHD it doesn't work that way or ADD or any of those things you don't you either have it or you don't and you have it at birth or you don't have it at all So I would like some actual, you know, someone in the field who could tell me one way or the other. Because is that true? Are they right? Are they wrong? Well, you're saying it flippantly too, right? Like, oh, I have OCD. I always clean my house really good, right? Yeah. There is a version of where we co-op mental health diagnoses in order and we make it flippant or it's thrown in movies in certain ways. And like, obviously, it's way more complex than that.

but that's that's what humans do with things they learn about right yeah and it's because all of us can sort of see ourselves in something right yeah yeah so take bipolar can you guys see yourself in bipolar from what you know from popular media and not from studying it and having a degree um that's interesting see ourselves developing it like no just that you have elements of it oh by the way it's been portrayed by popular media yeah yeah because Because popular media, I assume, gets it wrong. It just is basically, oh, popular media says, it's mood swings. It's you're angry some of the time, but then you're happy some of the time.

Yeah. And it's quick. You can just like, good mood, bad mood. Totally, right? It's iceberg, yeah. All of us. It's all of us. Everyone could be diagnosed on a bad week with this thing.

And so that's kind of the age old behavior of humans is to make stuff about them, right? Or see a face in your toast or whatever it is. Yeah. Pete's been, by the way, talk about ADHD, guys. He has, he bought some googly eyes and has literally googly-eyed my whole house. But I didn't know he did it. So suddenly I'd like pick up the TV remote. It's got, it's because you can see a face everywhere, right?

The human ability to see a face everywhere. Sure. Then we have a human ability to also see, sort of take shortcuts to explain stuff. And, you know, popularizing of mental disorders and challenges has, been that thing where we can just easily see something label it and and then we don't take it as seriously because we aren't actually living the life of someone with bipolar right it's an incredibly difficult disorder to live with um and needs to be treated or your life is ruined truly right versus i'm mad and now i'm happy that's not the same thing so yes do we need to be more careful will the popular

culture just do this anyway yes they will so ADHD is very similar We are all a little more attention deficit, absolutely, because we're literally training our brains to be. And I don't know long term what that looks like, but we've only had attention devices in our hands for 10, 20 years. Yeah. You know, so is everyone experiencing some form of this? Yeah.

Now, this is probably, so let's talk about diagnostic rates really quick. So when you think of why are so many more people being diagnosed with ADHD, a. ADHD, a piece of it is that we are all more attention deprived or deficit in our behaviors, right? And people are procrastinating or failing at things or feeling crappy or, I don't know, pandemic maybe has played into that a little mess with a lot of things and you're trying to find an answer or a reason. And I'm going to give you the criteria for ADHD so you can just hear it, what it is.

And then, of course, this is not how you diagnose. This is the first step or like you explain, are you. experiencing these things, and then there's actual testing that will diagnose you. Okay. And the worst thing that could happen here is Wendy will describe this, and I'll be, and either Brian and I will be distracted by something. So we're going to try really hard not to be distracted while you say that. And you guys focus.

Right. We totally focused. Ooh, shiny. Yeah. And think about that exactly. Like a dopamine delivery system grabs your attention. We are built to do this, right? I think we talked about this a while ago, but just this idea of like,

how is our brain, you know, it's wired around a couple experiences that are very fundamental and almost instinctual. And one is eating distracted, right? Like, eat the berries off the bush. Right. Right. You're watching. And make sure there is no tiger coming to kill you while you're eating these berries that you're never going to get again. So that is, think of that as like historical training for, like you're saying, watch YouTube while you scarf something down and not think about what you're eating, right? That's an example of, like, our survival brain will do what it takes to survive. So if I get dopamine from a tweet suddenly showing up, I'm going to go where the dopamine takes me.

Right? So just real quick. How many tabs? How many tabs you guys have open on your glasses? Oh, this is hilarious. You're bringing this up because I'm always teasing Brian for this. But I only have three. I have our show notes.

I have the chat room. and I have oh the other one's blank so I have a blank tab up I don't know why that's up so I only have basically others do you just have minimized no I don't have any that's it you have nothing open no I'm weird well I have other I have software to run the show but that's it I don't have any other distractee things up and here's the thing that's that I do Brian is Brian I'll let Brian speak for himself but um we've had this conversation many times about why I'm so anti I hate tabs being open I close them all the time I always feel like they're using Too much resources.

Yeah, they totally are. Bugs me. So Brian, I certainly use them. They're background attention getting too, right? Like, you're actually helping your... My problem is that I use them as a to-do list, right? So I have nine open right now. Nine? That's not bad.

Yeah, that's not bad. I've got show notes. I've got today's music. I've got orders on Coverville that as soon as the show's over. I've got to put together some t-shirts and ship them out. I've got eBay open because after that I have to put three computers on eBay for a client. I've got an SSL checker because another client is having problems with their SSL certificate, and this is like a refreshing thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've got one for the correct placement of bicycle cleats because at some point today I got to reset the placement of my bike cleats before I get on the bike. So it is absolutely a to-do list. Yeah. I am 16, and that's only one of the windows I'm using. The rest, each one has three to five, and it's all subject.

project-based and it's all my to-do list right now brian do you consider yourself having ADHD um i do in the pop culture sense right like the the uh trying to keep all the balls in the air but i don't think i really do have it no yeah i don't either um but i have definitely gained the pop culture sense of us and i think because right here we just described a technological way to balance way too many things and start to feel like you're not actually doing well at any of them, right? Because humans actually can only give our attention to one thing. We believe we can multitask. There is so much research to show. We are terrible at it. But we also have this wonderful ego thing that says we're actually doing it well.

So that illusion is a tough one. Okay. So let me go through, well, let me answer, actually go back to the email for just a second. I want to answer one question she had about experimenting with medication for ADHD while, you know, being in this relationship. So the difference between ADHD medication versus other things is, especially antidepressants or any kind of ongoing treatment, is that you need a sustained level in your system of an antidepressant for that to work. It takes up to three weeks for that to sort of kick in, to really get benefit. You have to raise the dose until you find the right therapeutic dose for people. Like, it's a process. So she's coming from that experience with all these different diagnoses.

and that you should be afraid and have a little see I'm going to use PTSD in the same way that we use it yeah a little lowercase PTSD about trying meds and seeing if you know they work or not so understandably that you are concerned about this right but the actual medication for ADHD is a stimulant it's some type of it's either Ritalin or Adderall or you know there's variations in between of things that they can do. And sometimes, anyway, those are one a day. It works for the day. It doesn't work tomorrow. You don't, it doesn't stick in your system. It means, you know, and the figuring out usually is something like I take it in the morning. I run out and steam by four o'clock.

Okay, I need an extended release one. Or if I take it too late in the day, I can't sleep at night or don't drink caffeine with it. That's the figuring out. and the immediate relief from the medication should be apparent. This isn't the, as much as a crapshoot as some of the other medication testing is, and it doesn't take as long to figure out. You kind of know pretty quickly. Oh, okay, I have less fog.

I'm able to focus. There is a normalcy. I'm using quotes. You can't see them. Normalcy factor that happens when folks with ADHD get the right medication is that their brain goes, it actually, the part that's going slow speeds up and the whole system just sort of feels more comfortable. And then they look around and go, is this how everyone else experiences life? Because it is alarming. I hear that all the time. Yeah. It reminds me when I got

my cataracts fixed. I couldn't believe how other people see things. I was like, really? Really? It's not all yellow and gross? Weird. And then you're like, you guys complain about what now? Because you can see. You know, it's that, it's all. Yeah, it's revelatory. And then you, but then you ease into it and now it's the new normal, but, but there is that moment of like, wow, this is life, I guess, yeah. And not to say, this is not clinically solid. So everyone just half listen to this.

But when, when you, I mean, it is and it isn't, in the sense of you take the medication, you have ADHD, you will feel that benefit. And you actually are calmer and focused. and can, you know, some of the chatter stops in your head, like it's coming out of a cloud. If you do not have ADHD and you take a stimulant, you're going to focus. You might be high. You might have a ton of energy, right? Like, but you're not going to have.

You're not going to get to your homeostasis, right? Yeah. So that's, and that's not a way everyone can do diagnostically, right? Like, okay, give me some maritalin. Let's see what happens, you know? And there, a lot of states are. doing a lot more, um, as they should and always should have, um, a lot more sort of quality control in the sense of you can only be diagnosed by certain people and those who can prescribe

that medication. Like there's some, I know this is true in Ohio and some other states that I'm familiar with of just like, like, we're not handing this out to college kids like candy anymore and we're not anybody who comes up. Just because it does help you get your finals done. You You know what I mean? Like, you can sniff it and feel like God for a weekend, right? Like, there is some abuse of this kind of drug that clearly is like all things humans do. We like to mess with something helpful and make it fun. Okay. So can I just read these for everyone's sake? Sure, yeah, of course. All right. So there's ADHD stands for attention deficit, hyperactivity disorder. There is an inattentive type and there is a hyperactive, impulsive type. So we've got two subgroups. So if I'm reading this and you're like, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, and it's messing with your life, okay? That's really key because being on Twitter for two hours, accidentally one evening and losing focus, if it ends your marriage and you're, you know, losing your job, then, right?

But if it's just the kind of normal stuff we have because we get dopamine in lots of places, not the same. So, okay, so the inattentive type, I'm just going to read through them, and you can raise your hand if you guys want makes careless mistakes lacks attention to detail I do pretty good occasionally sometimes occasionally yeah but I do pretty good there okay so when I'm talking to someone who definitely has ADHD they're like yes like there's no doubt there right next difficulty sustaining attention we ask you this because can it be to kind of speak to the previous one can it be that you are is if it's dependent

dependent on the situation, that might mean something different than just good old fashioned clinical ADHD, right? In other words, if you're just prone to making those mistakes because you hate email and you're not really reading what it said and you're just sort of flippantly answering and it turns out you were wrong with the answer because you don't really read it versus I'm making a project and it's for a big deal and I've got to get this done and it's a big commission and I'm very meticulous about focus on it. what does that mean? Does that mean that it's not really? That just means I need to tighten up, tighten up the graphics a little bit on my email, on my email usage. Or you're just not perfect at everything or you just have a tendency this way or that, right? Like this will just be a consistent pattern, usually from childhood, if not always from childhood. Sometimes we're not as aware that, you know, you're just compensating for these things all the time. You're exhausted because, because you're, so let me keep reading these.

I'll just read them through really quick. So does not seem to listen when spoken to directly. So you can imagine that, how that plays a role in someone's life and development. Oh, yeah. Are you listening to me? Yeah, exactly. And then you start to feel crappy about yourself because the feedback is all of that. Okay, so fails to follow through on tasks and instructions, exhibits poor organization,

avoids dislike tasks, requiring sustained mental effort, loses things necessary for tasks or activities easily distracted, including unrelated thoughts, is forgetful in daily activities. I'm going to tell you right now, I would have said no to all of these things until pandemic. And now I feel like I can say most of those things. Oh, interesting. I wonder why that changed it. I don't know. I wonder, like, did I secretly have COVID and not know?

And now I have brain fog forever. Or is it just, I don't know, I had to homeschool for a kid suddenly. And, you know, like, was it just ongoing stress that then as a. it's, you know, alleviating to some extent, it's different. I don't, I don't know. But I do suspect, because self-referential processing, I am here, I'm experiencing that. And so somebody else must be too, right? Like, I can't be the only one who is feeling some of this, like, I don't know what day it is, you know, does anyone else have that? I feel like there's some just things that, that, you know, I'm not clinically ADHD, never have been, hopefully never will

officially be, but I definitely can find some of this going on just after difficult stress, right? So you can, everyone's going to be in different places for different reasons. I also want to throw one other thing out is when a kid is living in a really chaotic home or an emotionally cold home or, you know, there's other things happening in a childhood sense of difficulty, a child will respond in lots of different ways, and some of it is to leave the room in their head, right? To dissociate to, so you, this is why, you know, diagnosing children and other things are really complicated. Is there something else going on for this person that is, you know, they're only safe

space for them to be as an imaginary world or, you know, that type of thing? Or on the hyperactivity part or impulsivity, impulsivity, you get a kid who's abuse. It's going to act impulsive in class, and we're going to label that ADHD, and then we're going to put them on a medication that maybe it's going to help, but the core chaos at home isn't being addressed. So this is where, you know, we love, humans are so funny. Like, we want a simple answer. We want Occam's razor to always be the thing, right? But then humans are just, there's way more to it. We are not going to talk about the abortion debate, but it is a perfect example.

of this thing. It's one or the other to certain people. It is much more complicated. Oh, it's always binary to some. That's the problem, right? Like that or any other big issue, the nuance is almost always lost when we're when we're doing macro use of anything. And there's a good reason for that too. Like understanding this can help me have a little more compassion for it, which is like, oh, it feels so safe, right? Yeah. It's just safety. Like you can know that, right? And see what's wrong and feel good. Yeah. Like, there's a, they're talking about a dopamine hit, right?

And so we all have our versions of it, maybe, and everyone varies, right? It's a miracle we have anything functioning. Okay. Anyway, so let me talk about hyperactivity and pulsivity, because this one, you're going to feel less connected to maybe, but, you know, you think about kids or how this might work, right? So, fidgets, width, or taps, hands, or feet, squarms and see. This is for adults, by the way. Sorry, I'm giving adults.

symptoms, not children. Often, yeah. Okay. Leave seat in situations when remaining in seat is expected. Oh, geez. No way. You kidding. If I'm expected to remain in my seat, by golly, my butt's planted.

Yeah, I'm trying to think. I don't think I have that problem or ever have that I know of. Have you experienced another adult doing that? Oh, yeah. And you're like, hello? I used to work for one and he still owes me $89,000. So that was probably an undiagnosed ADHD block run. Okay.

Experiences feelings of restlessness. Well, that I definitely feel. Yeah. All the time. Has difficulty engaging in quiet, leisurely activities. What would you say, Brian? Often. Yeah, often.

Yeah, like if it's, it's, dude is like, Brian, it's reading time. We'll have the TV off and she's reading a book and it's like, no, I want to put on mash. Can I put on mash? Do I play the PlayStation? Yeah, I want to binge a show that's a 50-year-old. What are you doing? It's like, fine, I'll play something. I feel like I have a problem with that, but only in, like, I know when it's like, all right, I need to be leisure right now.

Like, I've had a long day. I've done a lot of stuff. It's time for me to chill. Where I struggle is, okay, what do I, which of the 5,000 things I like doing should I do? Right, right. I hate that feeling. But I feel like once you settle in on it, I feel like you're really good at, like seeing, oh, here's, here's me outside in the hammock reading a book with the dog in my lap.

Yeah. Once I choose it. Yeah. Once I choose it, you're right. I'll be, I'm kind of all in. You have a paradox of choice. I do have a major paradox. Or what's that called?

Choice paralysis or something. Yeah, choice paralysis. I have that so bad with things. I just, I'd like too many things, you know? That's a different. It's a different issue. Yeah. It's a whole different thing.

All right. Keep going. Is on the go or acts as if driven by a motor? No. I feel like that's all Silicon Valley. Sometimes. Sometimes. Like, you know, the one thing that was really good about Vegas is it felt like a big recharge to the, to just, I don't know, it was just good to finally have one of these.

So it's instead of us talking to a bunch of names and a chat, it was like, oh, well, also we know them by their face and we got to interact with them. And only three of them got COVID and it was great. Oh, good. Yeah, only three. That's good. And they all seem to be doing fine, as best I can tell. They're all recovering. Yeah, they're all vaxed and triple vaxed and all that.

Anyway, and one of them yelled like in my face next to me, not mad, but barking out rules to a board game. And so far, we're all good. So I don't know what happened there. Anyway. All right. Next, real quick, I'll just read fast. Talks excessively, blurts out answers, has difficulty waiting their turn. Yes.

Interrupts or intrudes on others. I feel like we just got tested there. You did. So really, you know, I'm not telling our email or, you know, anything to do specifically with this. Other, it sounds like progressing with getting analyzed and find out if, you know, this is a correct diagnosis for her. The medication thing is such a different ballgame. it's more like instant relief rather than hoping this works and waiting it out and feeling crappy most of the time. And so I think she's going to have a different experience. But if we

sort of summarize what I hope for her or what I hope for them is it's not that mental illness will destroy every relationship. It has the power to really make things difficult. What really destroys most relationships, it's the same thing, whether there's a mental relationship. It's the same thing, whether there's a mental illness or not, and it's this sort of inability to figure out how to communicate about the stuff, right? Because you can take two people with no history of mental illness, and then they're just like run into whatever problems that come

because they come, and they have no way to communicate about it. They're just as at risk as this not working out as someone with a mental illness in the sense of, because at that core level, what the other person needs and how to communicate. communicate back and forth is going to be how you navigate anything, right? And so that's why I was the most concern is, has she told him all the things, right? And getting him, you know, the gift is only one of you has to struggle. Great. The other one is the struggle will be how do I help support this person. And that person will have, you know, Brandon's going to have some struggles in his life too. This is

just how real life works. And really navigating that underlying, can we communicate, Are we safe with our weaknesses and vulnerabilities together? How do we handle when, like, I am really struggling and I need to lay in bed for a couple of days? You know, what does he do to get support for himself and also make sure you're okay? This is just the secret sauce to a healthy marriage and ultimately a family, if that's what you choose to do. And being a part of community, right, is getting to know what you need and asking for it. Now, a lot of us aren't very good at that because A, life is either. been okay for a while and we haven't needed anything in theory, or we've got some skills and

we apply those skills and then they're not really tested until they're tested. So, you know, it's a, it's kind of flexibility and growth mindset of like, this isn't, no, nothing's pre-written here. But being prepared and smart about it and open and, you know, gain as many skills as you can really is your best bet. And if this ADHD diagnosis is it and the medication does what it's supposed to do you're going to have a lot of relief right there's a lot of good things that can come from that yeah um yeah i like it um i feel like every well that was kind of your point everybody's got little versions of this i definitely feel an uptick of this since the pandemic started and if i'm honest maybe without getting into details around two 2016 or so and forward i've i've had

an uptick of this these sorts of things in my own life and um And it just all sounds way too familiar. Now, I don't, I would never want to go, well, that must mean I'm, I got ADHD. Like, there's always like this, I was thinking about this yesterday. Sorry, I'm all over the place with this, but I was thinking about this yesterday, I was going to bring it up with you. This feeling of like, you know, if I broke my arm and playing basketball, let's say, broke my elbow or whatever. I could strut around all my friends going, yeah. I broke my arm.

How'd you do it? I was playing basketball. I was going in for a layup and, you know, stuff went south and, boy, howdy. It'll heal, though. We're all good. So, you know, it's almost cool to have that injury. Yes. If I walk into a room with those same people and say, you know, if you kind of had a bit

of a nervous breakdown from blah, blah, blah, blah, this that or the ABC, like, why are we so weird about those? Why is that so different? Because one of them Mental injuries versus physical injuries. Yeah. Yeah. Or, you know, and I realize some physical injuries are not great.

If I walked into a room and said, well, I sat on a bike, but the seat was taken off and that pipe thing went all the way up my butt. So I'm bleeding from my anus now. No one's going, yeah, I'm bleeding from my anus. It's been a hell of it. So nobody's doing that. So part of me thinks, well, that's why, because we have things that as humans, we are, we find, gross or put off pudding because we're designed to survive and we'd never want to have a pipe up our butt because it means we're you know that's a big death risk versus an elbow breaking is just not a big deal

and i and i don't know why some mental health is why that's in that category and then why people use it to just brush off simple things like to say oh i clean my room this morning i have such ocd like shut up right you cleaned your room give me a break that's like people saying I spoke to God today. Oh, what do you say? He helped me find my car keys on the couch. Okay, well, you're weird. You know what I mean?

Like, I guess I don't know if this is making sense, but why, what is that? And is that a whole other episode and I should save it for another time? I think it's a whole other episode, but I will say a couple things. But maybe someone could write us something to launch off of that from, like, their own experience. Like, just the other day I was talking to a client who her husband struggles with mental illness. and he's like, you know, we walk through if he had cancer, how differently she would behave. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. Not only how differently would everyone else behave. They'd bust in with casseroles and make sure, you know, she got support or, you know, whatever. And I've thought about this in terms of cancer specifically. Cancer feels like something that happened to you and it's not your fault. And I mean, we always have to decide if you have lung cancer of what kind. Did you make it happen or not? You know what I mean?

So there's that kind of version of things that is like as long as it's not your fault and it could happen to any of us because that's become the reality. It could happen to anybody. There is some compassion that just kind of comes naturally. But this is why stigma around mental health has been so bad for so long. is I do think there is a very core. And I don't, I don't know if it's survival, maybe. I have to think more about it, but just that it's, it's got to be your fault.

You must have done something. That's why advice for so long has been, well, just get up and go on a walk. That'll fix it, you know, as if behavior is the only way, you know, this is explained. And there's some versions of, you know, maybe I've told this story a long time ago, I had a client forever and ever ago who worked in a cancer clinic of all places. and started to have some psychosis and just personality changes. And so I started working with her and, you know, it seemed like a psychiatric disorder and like, let's get you in. We might need to hospitalize you.

All this stuff is happening. And she had a lot of traumatic things happen in this date. And then finally was in a hospital and begging someone to give her an ultrasound. Because this is someone who knew about cancer and how the body was. works for the most part, right? She just said, something is wrong with me. That is, and you all think it's just my brain. Anyway, she had a tumor, the size of a football that was emitting, she was a bit overweight, so she didn't know. And it was emitting these toxins and these neurotoxins were acted as a psychosis mechanism. And so they removed the tumor. She recovers. We're having a

conversation. She has no memory of those times of all the things that happened. And you just think, what? So let's be clear. Everything that is happening has some biological origin. We just aren't advanced enough to know what it all is, right? And patterns of behavior that we think are controllable because it's confusing. What's controllable or what's not, you know? So it really gets complicated. And I just think we shortcut it to it was a choice. Just don't do that. I don't experience that so that doesn't make sense to me um and then the more and more people can say out loud they're experiencing something get help get treatment the more it's sort of normalized more stigma is dropped more people say oh i love therapy is so great and the more you hear that you realize like

literally every one of us has something going on we're all on the spectrum of human experience right yeah some might just be a little further down the road in a way that's uncomfortable or painful than you are. So it really is not unlike cancer and that, you know, we're all sort of not that different from one another. I just think we don't know how to fix it. A broken army put in a casket. I can see the cast. It's not about your private part or some inner thought. It's just feel straightforward. So maybe it's a survival responsive. Like that's not going to be effect. That's not contagious. I wonder if there's a contagion feeling too. Maybe. Some people have. I always wonder about that.

Yeah. Cancer, I know cancer, cancer diagnosis is make people nervous and it shouldn't. You know, it's not, it's like it doesn't catch or, you know, you're not going to spread it or whatever. So I've always wondered why people are a little bit like, oh, they have colon cancer. Yeah, Tina, a couple of Tina's friends, like, kind of backed away from her communication-wise when she. Ooh, I freaking hate that. I hate that. Yeah. It makes me want to kick him in the Bajas.

That makes me really mad that they did that to her. Sorry, that makes me pest. The be jays? The vaginas. Yeah, the vaginas. I didn't say what sex they were. Oh, yeah, that's true. Brian did not mention gender, so it's fine.

The penises. Why you genderize everything, Scott? I don't know. I would love that, actually. If someone wants to have something that this has resonated with and send us something in to jump off with, because it really is, it's tricky. It's, it actually relates to a lot of the political thinking that is divergent among folks too of just what repels someone and what doesn't what causes disgust in

someone and what doesn't and just humans really you know we vary in how we experience these things but we do react when something disgusts us or when something scares us or when you know we're maybe more tuned to different things so i kind of throw one other thought yeah i think so i mean this is my gig like i can see you across the room and be like that person and struggling, I can talk to you all day. Like, I am not afraid of you. Yeah. But what I do experience is, oh, no, if they start talking about it, it's going to be a bunch

of my time, right? I don't get to control my time if they bring it to me. Yeah. Because I do know what this is about. I know how hard this is to be, and I need to be, you know, empathetic and present. And I think sometimes people don't do that regularly in their life. They don't have a lot of practice being present with someone in pain. A lot of nurses and doctors do.

A lot of therapists do, right? Like, we train in this. We know how to sit with this stuff. And I can imagine when you don't have a clue, and there's a party that needs to fix things if someone brings you a problem, you can't fix it. It's incredibly uncomfortable. So someone's going to need my time.

I don't have the answers. You know, that is, though the person is like, I just need support. You're just going, I am not capable of any of any other. that. So there's maybe a self-protection thing of like, I can't actually deal, you know, it must be their fault, something I, because I can't do anything about it. Sure. All this said, I do think we're better than we've ever been. Like we still, we've got issues, but I think mental health awareness and how we deal with it and how we treat each other. I think that stuff exponentially

better than it was when I was growing up. Like, we're not even near where that was. So, you know, we're a rising road on this stuff, but there's always progress to be made. Right. All you got to do is watch good news videos of kids being amazing that you're like, oh, right, we're going to be fine. Yeah. Yeah. I got, I know, join the do-goaters group. I got a good one. I'm putting in there later. Anyway, there you go, Wendy. Always fun and felt weird not having you for so long. I know. Where? It's like empty. Where has my Wendy gone? Only would have known about Vegas and could have joined us. Yeah. If only your own brother had told you ahead of time so that you could have planned maybe to come.

Do you know what? I almost did this. I almost emailed Brian and just said, I'm coming. I want to surprise Scott. That would have been amazing. And then I looked at the dates and I was like, I don't have time to buy a ticket. That's such money. Never mind.

Yeah. Yeah. The flight's outrageous for that short amount of time. But don't worry. I'm glad you guys got back safe and only three people. Only three COVIDs. Yeah. And you know, my thinking is that if things continue to go well on that front, then, well,

for sure do this again next year. And then I will give you not only well ahead notice, but really well ahead notice. You should as well as maybe come out this direction. I should come that direction sometime. But as Justin Robert Young has said, Scott only likes Vegas and Anaheim. It's the only two places he ever goes. And that place in Ohio that you went. Oh, I like to Columbus. Yeah. Columbus I'm telling you, there's more things like Columbus than you know. Oh, I know. I need to leave. I want more towns where the airport can be seen from my hotel. in the middle of the city. I loved how small Columbus was.

Because I don't mean it's a small town. It's not. It's a city. But it felt like everything was just junk. Because the west is so spread. Oh, spread. And you go to other parts of, you know, early parts of the country, older states or whatever. And you just see these like cities where it's still a city,

but everybody can just get to everything. I love that. I thought that was so rad. Anyway, revelatory. Wendy, have a great week and tell Peter, thanks for all the video. clips. I will. And we'll see you next time. All right. Take care. Bye. Bye. Thanks, lady.

All right. There she goes. That was a good one. Long one, but a good one. And it was nice having the person in question in the chat. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for, thanks for being here. A.G. Yeah, I hope you're doing good. I think that was really cool that you laid it all out like that. And I hope it was helpful to hear some of that stuff today.

Okay. We are going to get out of here before we do. a reminder to the folks at home that this show cannot subsist without your help over at patreon.com slash TMS. So if you would like to support the show and have not done so already, even a buck a month would be helpful. And it's that easy to do.

Just head on over to Patreon.com slash TMS and do that today. Some new shows today. Brian, you got a new coverville coming up. Yeah? I do. Finally, after two weeks off for Vegas and other things, coming back strong with a show about Paul Heaton,

who's turning 65. you're like, Paul Heaton, I don't know that name. No, you probably don't. He is the lead singer of a band called House Martins back in the 80s, which morphed into the Beautiful South. And while those band names maybe don't sound super familiar to you, the songs they made will be familiar to you. So check it out, House Martins, Beautiful South,

and Paul Heaton's solo coming up on Coverville, Twitch.tv slash Coverville at 1 p.m. Mountain Time. I owned that, the people who grinned themselves to death. That's it. The grin themselves. I had that album. Yeah. That is a great album. Yeah. I could never remember the name of it because it's so weird. With a happy hour and, uh... It was a great album.

Me and the Farmer, I think was on that one. Five get me... Five get over excited. Yes. Ah, such a good album. It was a really good album. Yeah. So covers of a couple of those songs you just mentioned are going to be on the show today. You were going to make me go back and listen to Somali. Katie's music, I am. Nothing wrong with Listen to the House Martins. They were a fun band.

Indeed. And one of their members went on to become Fat Boy Slim. No. Yes. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. That's one, that's all I know. I love Fat Boy Slim. We've come a long, long way together. From the heart of the good. All right. What did Carter say? Oh, I love this chat.

I love this chat. You all make me feel. I thought she was making a joke about her dad, and I was going to give her a hard time. No, no, but she easily could, and it would be fine. She's allowed. It's like anybody else. Okay, so, Core also tonight, I know I mentioned it earlier, just real quick again, a reminder we do it live at 5 p.m. Mountain Time right here at frogpans. Or twitch.tv slash frogpants, whichever you prefer.

And it'll be me, John and Bo. Breaking down this week's news, talking about games we're playing. I want to talk about baking simulator. oh good another another chore core game another chore core game that I really like that's what that's what uh arc light what a rumble needs to be is like um mowing azaroth yeah or uh yeah cooking cooking for orks or whatever i make one of those games absolutely absolutely absolutely i also uh i think i'm gonna finish the gunk and if you're like what the hell's that it's a really cool game that came out late last year that not enough people are playing So we'll talk about that tonight.

What was the game you told me before Vegas that was really good on the switch? Oh, it's by the same people who make the gunk, which is why I'm playing the gunk. It is SteamWorld Dig 2 is the game you want to get. Steam World Dig 2. Okay, cool. Don't worry about Dig 1. You don't need it to play 2. One is fine, but 2 is such a leap forward.

It's so good. I might actually buy that before Covervill and play that instead of Pokemon Archaeus. And it's so cheap, cheap. It's like... It is, 20 bucks. Yeah. It's cheap, cheap. It's totally worth it.

It goes on sale all. the time. It's just a great, what a jam of a game that is. Anyway, so that's tonight 5 p.m. Mountain and, of course, Coverville today at 1.30? 1. 1.m. Why did I say 30? I don't know. I don't know. I'll still be playing at

130. Yeah. So who knows what I'm saying. That's it. Thanks everybody for being here. Go to frogpans.com slash TMS for all your TMS needs. Let's get out of here with a song and once again, Brian has one. Yeah, this one's going out to a guy who's always in our chat room, resident

resident Tadpooler James Karen Grammer. I don't know what his real middle name is, but I'm going to say it's Karen because it's Kay. J.K. Grammer says, for my 50th birthday this May 5th, could the Modoc-loving Covermeister play me a cover of Forever Young by Alphaville? It's such a great cheesy 80s song.

I'd like to dedicate it to my wonderful girlfriend, Sarah. It's kind of become our song as it was one of the clues when we played song-pop party the night we first met. I love you, Sarah. Oh, and much love to Scott and Brian and the entire Tadpool and a caveman. Oh, that's all nice. Hold on. So we do this twice.

I do that. 50's a big one, dude. Welcome to the club. And I'm happy to have you here. You're a super nice guy. And I love Alphaville. So you're speaking my language. And then this is me killing time while I try to find that other clip.

What was it now? I forgot what he wanted. I don't know. Oh, I had a caveman. And a caveman. Oh, shit. Do I not have that handy? Hold on.

Oh, for a 50th birthday. I got to get it. Oh. Hold on. Cave man. Here we go. And a caveman. And a caveman. Well, that was a lot of work. There we go. Well, done. It satisfied all the anticipation for sure. Good. I love now that everybody's calling him Karen, James Karen Grammer. Yep. It's now the law. It's the law of the land now.

That's right. Love you, man. All right. So how about a cover of Forever Young? Listen, a buddy of mine, one of my former roommates in college got me. into Alphaville as well and I bought all their albums and still buy them like they're still putting out music and they kind of did the aha thing where yeah that album we all know uh which was called for ever young uh and the afternoons in utopia which was the um the follow-up both were like super poppy but the stuff they've been putting out more recently is way more mature sounding and adultness really really good uh all right how about this cover by scary pockets You know Scary Pockets. It's the other band formed by Jack Conti besides Pomplamoose.

This is from their Best of 2019 album, which came out in 2020, which makes sense. Wouldn't come out before. Here's Scary Pockets featuring Madison Cunningham and Forever Young. One, two, three. Let's dance in style, let's dance for a while Heaven can wait, we're only watching the skies Open for the best but expecting the worst Are you gonna drop the pommonaut?

Better stay on or let us live forever We don't have the power but we never say never Sitting in a sandpit life is a short trip The music's for the side man Forever young I want to be forever young Do you really want to live

forever, forever, forever, endeavor forever young I want to be forever young Do you really want to live forever

forever young? Some are the water and some are the melody and some of the beat. Sooner or later, they will all be gone. Why don't they stay young? It's so hard to get old without it because I don't want to perish like a fating horse. Like diamonds in the sun And diamonds are forever So many adventures

Giving up today So many songs We forgot to play So many dreams Singing out of the blue Or let them go true Forever young I want to be forever young

Do you really want to live Forever, Forever And ever Forever young I want to be forever young You really want to live Forever, forever, forever young Oh.

This I want to be forever young. You don't want to live forever and ever and ever. Forever young. I want to be forever young. You want to live forever. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Frog Pants Network. Get more shows like this at frogpants.com.

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