The Morning Stream - TMS 2293: Benefit from her exit

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

Done with a Marvel. Here we go a-floundering. Why Isn't He Called He-Hulk? Going down a monkey hole. Talking a Stand. Marv Stone, action journalist. Fish 'n' Chips... OR EXTRA Fish 'n' Chips? Buster Keaton was Alive! White Man Combo Meal problems. Benedict Ratzenberger. Deny that, YOU CAN'T! It doesn't suck, until it does. Samplin Janes Fudge. TMS suggests you do your own research. Full-Throated Southern Accents with Amy. Jumping off a Cliff with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, done with a marvel. Here we go a floundering. Why isn't he called He Hulk? Going down a monkey hole. Talking a stand. Marv Stone, action journalist. Fission chips or extra fish and chips. Buster Caden was alive.

White man combo meal problems. Benedict Ratzenberger. Deny that, you can't. It doesn't suck until it does. Sampling Jane's Fudge. TMS suggests you do your own research. Full-throated southern accents with Amy. Jumping off a cliff.

Wendy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Eddie and Ray are friends. That's why Ray's walking his bike instead of riding home, so he can be with his friend Eddie. Here's Jane. She's a friend. And guess what? She's going home to make some fudge. And she's inviting the fellows to come over later and sample it. Yes, sir, friendships are worth having, aren't they? The morning stream, the morning stream, The morning stream, the morning stream, Because knowing is half the battle.

Good morning, everybody. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, May 19th, 19, 19, 19, 22. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian David. Hi, Brian. Hello. It's Thursday.

It is, man. on the downslope of the week. Yep, I got one more, let's see, about 24, no, about 30 hours until my wife gets back. Oh, my gosh, I bet you're counting down. This is a long time for it to be awake, because this is like a solid full week, right? Yeah, a whole seven days. And she, I was talking to her yesterday, they went floundering last night in the dark glow of them. I do that any time I podcast.

They went a floundering, which basically means they walk around the beaches of, basically, St. Louis and catch flounder. Really? And you bring it back and those cook up real nice and have a nice little flounder dinner thing. It's all been about like getting back to all their southern roots. All the siblings went. All the husbands and wives all stayed home. So these are just a sibling trip.

And all they've done is like crab and have a big crawfish boil and go pontoon boating. She is going to come back with so many yummy recipes. I'm envious of the food. that you're going to be enjoying over, you know, the next several months. Either that or should be sick of it, right? Should be come back. Oh, I can't do something. Possibly.

Yeah. Which really suck because I want to benefit from her exit. Anyway, that'll be a... Hello, Jamie. That one's for you. That one's here for you, buddy. All right, we're going to start things off today with something that I hesitated as to whether I should share it or not, but I've decided I think it's the right place to do it.

Also, I don't know for sure if this person's serious. because it's the internet and I don't know anymore. I can't tell anymore if anyone's ever serious anymore. Yeah. Oh, I hope this is serious because I want to, I do too. I hope they write back. I don't even know what shows they listen to. I assume they listen to this one. But here's what they wrote.

I cross their name out. I'm not here to smear anybody's name. I know. It's very nice of you. Here's what they say. I'm done with Marvel, I think. Suddenly the Hulk is a girl now? Question mark, question mark.

Oh, no. I should read this exactly how it was written. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. I'm done with, I'm done with a Marvel, I think. With a Marvel. Yeah. Suddenly, the Hulk is a girl now, question mark.

Enough is enough. Capital, or lowercase, W. Will you be talking a stand on your shows about this? I assume he means taking. Uh-huh. Or letting it slide like other woke things. Signed anonymous. All right.

The typos definitely make me feel like this is, a serious email like there is nothing uh yeah why would they do that if they were i mean i don't know i can't tell but okay so let's just take issue with the whole with the with the with the claim suddenly the girl is or the hulk is a girl now i assume this is referencing she hulk's trailer she hulk attorney at law which uh they showed off for disney plus the new series i'm excited about that like the the trailer they look really wondering how they're going to do there's just one point where it's like oh is that shrek am i looking at shrek there A little bit of Shrecken going on.

A little bit of Shrecken, but, no, Tatiana Maslani is going to make a great Jennifer Walter? Jennifer Walters. Is it S? Yeah, right, because I'm thinking, right, I don't want to confuse her with Jessica Walters, the late great Jessica Walters. Jennifer Walters. Yeah, I think that's it. Now, I'm going to argue that this person who sent this message maybe didn't see the full trailer, because in the trailer, the Hulk is in the trailer.

Sure. The actual, you know, Bruce Banner business. Right. Well, I'm also going to be, I'm also thinking that they're unaware of the last 40 years of Marvel history where there's been a She-Holt. Well, that part, I am 100% sure of it. 40, yes. Yeah, 80-something, right?

Early 80s for her? I think 80. I think 1980. Jim Starlin created her? I think so. Oh, I could be wrong. Or was that a Stanley, a late Stan Lee edition, maybe? I can't remember.

I'll have to look right here. Well, I mean, yeah, I see what you're saying. Like, like he, oh, yeah, created by Stanley and John Basema. Yep. Okay, there it is. Let's see. And you were right about the year, 1980. So the Savage She Hulk number one is where we first saw her in 1980.

Right. And, I mean, were there people then that saw the cover and went, Did the whole transition? Yeah, what happens? A transition going on? I'm going to point out Marvel for me. Did that happen then? No.

Or are we only that stupid now? Is that how stupid we are now is the question? Yeah, yeah. It's well said. That's how stupid we are now. Because this person, I mean, if they'd watch the trailer or gave a crap, they would have seen, oh, there's Mark Ruffalo playing the role of the Hulk, and he's talking to this other person who's clearly not him and duh.

Just duh, just a big giant D-U-H. I don't know what to say. Just a big, fat, duh. I have nothing else to say. I don't know what to say if this guy's listening. I don't know if you're serious. We should take a stand, or we should talk a stand, Scott. All right, let's talk a stand right now.

Because I don't want to let this slide like the other woke things. Let it is slide. Yeah, here's my stand. They're going to make a black Spider-Man. I'm done. Yeah, no kidding. I'll bet that dude probably thought that too when he saw Miles Morales. What?

They made Spider-Man black. What? There's a spider woman now? Oh, I'm done. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what to say. Because here's, I really feel this lately. I feel this thing of like...

Oh, this person's really going to poop when they see Thor Love and Thunder. Oh, boy. They'll lose their minds. Yeah, watch that trailer. You want to see who Thor is? I'm not going to want to give anything away here, but, hmm. But no, like, I can't tell. Irony is over.

Parity is gone. I can't tell anymore. This person might be totally yanking my chain. Could totally be, yes. I don't know. I don't know. No, but also I could see somebody saying this because everyone's stupid now. So I don't know.

I don't know how to take it except to say, do a little research. If you're hearing us talk and you're serious about this, go read up on the history of She-Hulk. A really great recent run of that comic happened, and I cannot remember who wrote it or drew it. But it's amazing. It's very good. My guess is the tone of the trailer reminded me of that read. Oh, nice. So I think they're probably pulling from that.

Kind of like the Matt Fraction stuff, heavily influenced. the uh the hawkeye tv show so i think they're pulling from that more recent thing anyway uh and learn maybe go learn do some learning yeah dual research find out that oh this has been around for a while she's a cousin

uh there's there's something actually more to this than just you know woke things yeah woke things as he says also uh turn on auto correction in your browser uh because a lot of these would have had a little red

Talking is a word and done with a marvel. I mean, none of these would have been caught by spell checker. Yeah, but the grammar, yeah, the grammar checker. You should get a little green line under everything is what you should get. Right, exactly. Yeah, Gramerly. They were a sponsor for a while, Gramerly. Oh, yeah, Gramerly.

What happened to them? They're around, right? I think they're still there. Yeah, I think you can still install their little deal and do their stuff. Anyway, She-Hulk, a long history that this guy didn't know. I recommend he learn. Okay? I didn't know she was a member of the Fantastic Four for a while.

She was, one of her, like one of those great costumes. She was in that, in the era of the Fantastic Four where they had the light blue and white costumes. They were kind of cool. As a matter of fact, the She-Hulk Mini that I painted is wearing that costume. I believe, or a version of that costume. So did that mean that there was someone else in the Fantastic Four that was sidelined? Holt. I mean, a thing was out for a while, so She-Hulk stepped in.

They'll never have more than four is the rule. I want to say Ben Graham had gone back to human form and was paling around with Alicia Masters for a while. And so She-Hulk came in and, yeah. What do you think? Okay, so one of the problems people seem to be having with this is that she's not Hulk-y enough. Right, right, right. And my experience with She-Hulk has always been, she was never, she was never just shredded the way. Yeah, she was never built like, right, she was never built like Mrs. Shrek.

Right. And she also didn't go extreme, like, you know, how the Hulk loses his mind and can't even hardly talk in the beginning. And eventually can say words. And then, you know, if you follow the MCU, there's a whole thing there. But, but the beginnings are all, you know, smash is the biggest word you know. But in her case, she didn't lose any of her, like, stuff. She still has all of her intelligence and wherewithal. Like, she still, you know, she still gets angry.

And also, for a while, she just couldn't, she couldn't change back, right? Like, she was always in She-Hulk form and wouldn't, like, shrink back down to normal. So she would do her lawyer things as She-Hulk. She would be a lawyer. She'd be in court doing lawyer things. Doing lawyer things, like Allie McBeal, but green. That's how she did. Right, exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. And I hope Exxali. Exactly. What I hope is they focus, because this last, the run I read, what made the comic good wasn't that she turned green and kicked ass. Right. Was that she was

just a really kickbutt lawyer and everybody had to kind of deal with the fact that she's strong, tall, and green, but really smart. Her cross-examination like it was more of a courtroom drama, that comic. Kind of hope that's what they do here? Like I know fans are going to

want smash and kick about you're going to want both i mean we don't need we don't need another boston legal or something just with one of the characters happen to be big and green yeah that's a good point but uh no i mean we want uh you know i don't know who the i saw the little snippet of uh who i think is a villain guy but i couldn't tell i don't know who the marvel bad is going to be in this one right like you know we had uh uh we've had kingpin we've had what would you assume Do you have any guesses what they'll do? Like who they'll tap for that? No, I don't.

Well, you do see a little bit of the abomination in the trailer. Oh, right. And what's his name's in it? We like a little Emil Blonsky. Yeah. What's his face? Tim Roth. Tim Roth, yeah. Yeah.

I like Tim Roth. And he was that in something. Was it the Hulk movie? He was in Shang Chi. We saw Abomination recently. Oh, okay. I can't remember. Not Tim.

When we saw, you know, full anger abomination not not we didn't see tim roth in there but some reason tim roth i thought was already shown off as something or he was teased in another thing but maybe i don't remember i don't remember i don't know well anyway uh watch for that yeah coming soon jo guy art says it's titania oh that's right that's right because she's played by oh shoot who uh now that you say that or titania i can't i don't know how uh titania titania sounds like something my cars made out of. Let's see. And Wong is going to be in this probably. Oh yeah, Benedict Wong is in it. He's straight up is. Like that guy is now everywhere. I'm telling you, was it this show where I said my theory is that he's going to be the, the Nick Fury of the new phase, the new Avengers phase? I think he's going to be the one that gathers Avengers together. Feels like it. Maybe he'll be the one that rescues the Nick Fury from wherever the hell he's stuck right now. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's some.

Things I haven't seen, so I probably would know the answer to that. Played by, oh, yeah, Jamila Jamil from the Good Place. Oh, yeah, she's good. She's great. She's great, yeah. Well, I'm all in for all of this. I think it sounds like a good time. The trailer made me happy. All the other, here's the only thing to say.

This guy, if you have, if you hear this and this teaches you something, send us a follow up. I'm open to it, you know. you sound like maybe you're a little bit you're playing some sports team sports here and that's fine everybody's got their weird thing they glom on to and all their little little favorite words everyone says and all that i'm not i don't want to judge you too harshly because i don't know you but i'd love to hear you're now what do you say now that we've fed you the information that is actually correct about she hulk and he's he's getting email and say you know what you guys are absolutely right i'm sorry i've installed a grammar checker on my browser and i'm back to loving marvel and thank you Thank you guys for opening my eyes. Please, more woke things. Yep, I'm sure that's it. That's going to be the email we're going to get.

I'm sure that's it. I will take, look. Woe things. I will, I will talk a stand right now on the show. You're ready? Here's my stand. All right, please, talk a stand. Taco stand.

She Hulk is cool. Scott is, I'll talk to myself in the third person. Scott is happy that Marvel is doing things. side weird low-key things I don't mean low-key things with the MCU right now

they're not they're not like just going and the next Captain America like they're taking their time they're doing fun little side sidey things and I like that even though I'm not cut up on all of it I think it's a really cool way to do this

I agree and since we got because we recently got a Miss Marvel trailer as well with the Kamala Khan Kamala Khan yeah Kamala Khan yeah

Kamala Khan yeah are those two shows going to be are we going to get to a point where Disney is airing two Marvel shows

at the same time because usually we don't get the trailer for one until the other one's done yeah no kidding plus you're going to run business I think there's some crossover on the Star Wars side

with Kenobi and what his marble's going to appear in Canobi? No, no, but this idea that they cross over stuff, I feel like they're stacking their deck this year. They got a lot going on. Although I guess obviously the, the, the, the, Obi-Wan stuff doesn't take place in the same time frame as the Mandalorian and Boba-Fet stuff. No, but the, but the Asoka stuff does or would. Oh, no, no, not necessarily.

I don't know. Are they doing prequel crap with the Asoka character or Shoka character, however you say your name? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a good question. Because she was there all along. Well, they wouldn't be able to use, what's her face, if they do, right? They'd have to de-age her some. They'd have to de-age her quite a bit, yeah.

Or maybe they do it as like they do it in flashbacks or something and then do the crossover with young Ben. Do you think in a live-action way, Marvel ever, Marvel and Disney, or Disney in general, ever crosses Marvel with, Star Wars, like some kind of stunt one-off type thing. All right, how would they do this? This is a really good question. All right, how would they do this? I don't know. Gosh, dang it. No, you know what, they can't? Because in Civil War, Tom Holland talks about

the Empire Strikes back and taking a giant man down like they did the Walkers in that old Star Wars movie. Okay, you're right. So they've acknowledged they live, the MCU is they've acknowledged that Star Wars is a movie in the MCU. Yeah, they can't, I don't

they can do it either. Like you can get away with this in comics all the time, like that Doctor Who, TNG crossover, and you know, you can do weird stuff in comics, but I don't think you can get away with it in live action like that. Could you do in Star Trek? Could you say Star Trek? I think Tony Stark has ruined any possibility of a lot of these

crossovers with the nicknames he's given people, right? So we can't, you know, we'll never get a point break, um, CU crossover. We'll never get a, uh... Yeah. All his smarmy Smarmie talk has gotten him painted him in a corner.

We can't have these crossovers now. Transformers, there you go. Bring them over. We got it. Transformers meet X-Men Sentinels. Then I will be done with a Marvel, I think. That would be the last

a Marvel movie you see. Exactly. I'm done with a Marvel. Hey, you know what I, so this is so cool. So yesterday, Tadpooler Mo Ornos, and I'm sure,

I'm mispronouncing their name, but they said, hey, if you ever see the on-the-hook food truck come through Denver, you need to go and check it out. It's excellent. On the hook? Yeah, it's like, oh, on the hook. Yeah, it's like, oh, okay, on the hook, sounds good, I don't know. Can I predict, it sounds like fish, maybe, some sort of fish? It is fish, yeah, I follow the website, and sure enough it takes me to their menu, which is like fish and. chips and um uh wild cod alaskan cod and um and chips right i mean they're they literally have

two things on their menu three things on their menu yeah fish and chips yeah extra fish extra chips it's like you walk up and basically they just say how many orders would you like they don't even like you know do anything like outside of that sure um so i'm like okay well Well, I'm at their website looking things and says, oh, see when we will be in your area. And so I clicked over there and it's like, oh, they're in Wyoming and New Mexico and, you know, Montana and bouncing around on all these different places. And then I says, oh, Denver. When are you going to be in Denver? Because I click that and it gives like a little schedule of when they're going to be in Denver.

Oh, May 18th at the Arvada 24 hour fitness until 7 p.m. Oh, my gosh. And I look up at the calendar. It is May 18th. And I think, well, what the heck? I'm going over and getting fish and chips. It's like the most perfect timing. Yeah, no kidding.

How was it? I was going to tell you that I am going to keep their calendar on my like alerts list. And whenever they're in freaking Arvada, I'm going and getting fish and chips from them. It was fantastic. Well, let's see. We had some good fish and chips in Ireland. We had the best fish and chips in Ireland, the best fish and chips in Ireland. The best, yeah.

been better. However, this is, this is, uh, some of the best like good, not overbredded, crispy breading, thick fat, uh, um, french fries with it, chips with it. Yeah. Uh, yeah, this is, uh, oh my gosh, dude. Yeah. Oh, okay. You look at the photo? Well, I have to wait until June, sorry, is this May? Yeah, that's, I have to wait until June 12th, but they're going to be right up the road from me on June 12. There you go. Put it, put it on your calendar, Scott. Okay. I'm dead serious. Yeah. I'm going, this is a weird thing. I've never heard of a food truck that travels around the country. It's weird. Isn't it? It's a little weird. We'll see the west, but this, this wide of earth. Yeah, absolutely. I would think that it'd be,

um, you know, like, like, oh, we're in Colorado. We just have one truck in Colorado and zips around all these other Colorado spots. Yeah. And maybe they do. Maybe they have, um, uh, I'm sorry, battered, not breaded, Claire. Oh my gosh. She's going to have a heart attack. Calm down, Claire. All those caps and question marks. My God. Gin battered for her.

That's how they do it. Gin battered. But I'm looking here, so they've got like, they are coming to Utah in the 26th, so just next week, but it's Salem, then Logan, then Hurricane, then Cedar City. Like, it's way far from me. So I'm going to wait until the 12th and do this. That sounds fantastic. So it was good then.

You really liked it as the point. It was excellent. Yeah. Like you said, when I see them coming back through Colorado, I'm going. I'm, yeah, it was damn tasty. That sounds great. I'm not even like a fish and chips guy, but when it's done right, it's, you know, you can't deny it. You can't deny that.

No, you can't deny that. 12th of June. There you go. Off the hook. Or on the hook, rather. Because that's the whole thing. All right. Well, now it's written down and now I will get it and I will, like, compress and compare when we come back.

There you go. Yep. But right now. I did send the crazy neighbors, the Wisconsin crazy neighbors there last night. It said, you know, it was really good. They'll be the final decision maker because, I mean, if anyone knows fish and chips here in the U.S., it's going to be somebody from Wisconsin and, you know, they'll say, yeah, it was baby, blah, blah, it wasn't very good. Proper, proper cheeseheads need to weigh in on how that went.

All right, check this out, you guys. It's time for this. Yes, that's right. Time to read this with Amy Robinson. Red Fraggle 3 joining us as she does every Thursday to talk about books we should read. Hello, Amy. Welcome back. Good morning.

How are you guys this morning? Pretty good. How are you? Pretty good. Yeah. I feel... You know, I actually got some sleep last night, which is a departure from the rest of this week. So I feel moderately human.

I haven't slept at all this week. It's been a bad week for sleep. In fact, this morning, as my goal this morning was, all right, Scott, you're going to, you're tired, but you're going to get up, you're going to shower, you're going to take the walk or take the dog for like a 30-minute walk. You're going to take this morning by the shorties and give it what for? Nah, just kind of rolled out a little late and put on this shirt. Who knows if I, I don't know how I smell today.

Who knows? Whatever. Kim's gone. You just live like, you live like thieves while she's gone, and that's just the way it is. Carter, do some dishes. Well, I'm down here, will you? Get that going. Do you have the thing?

I have the thing, like, when Chuck is out of town, I don't sleep as well. Like, I just, it just doesn't, I don't, it's just not, I don't know, it doesn't feel right. It's someone not right. You know what else happens is I'll wake up, like last night I sneezed really hard in the middle of the night because there's some allergies going on around here. And my first thought was, oh, crap, I woke him up. And then I was like, no, it's not even in here. Oh. I could Blair like heavy metal in here.

She would not wake up. I could do whatever I want, but I don't want to. I'd rather have her here. I'd rather have her here to wake up, you know? Anyway. Right. It'll be... Meanwhile, she's like...

She's sleeping great and going a floundering. Oh, yeah. She's fine. She's living... And her accent came back. A floundering, we shall go. Yeah. I got to record with her for Skim before she loses it again because I can hear her accent.

Like, Southern accent has come back kind of full swing every time she goes down there. So I got to try to capture some of that for listeners. We'll see if we can do it. Oh, that's fun. I should call in to you. you guys sometime like I should call my mom right before I do this segment or something and then you guys can hear what my accent really sounds like oh my gosh I would love to hear your your full-throated southern bell accent it's a thing yep yep well I have I have two things

I need to two little housekeeping things I need to mention sure one is a couple weeks ago I was talking about Terry Pratchett novels and we had I had sort of mentioned that I had heard that there might be a TV adaptation of the Guards books, but I wasn't sure. Turns out there is. And I was correct that it's set in the modern day, but apparently from some friends of mine who are fans of Discworld, it is not bad. So they enjoyed it. It's on BBC America, which is why I don't have that, so I didn't know that it had come

out. So correction there, there is, in fact, a, it's called The Watch, is the name of the show. So, yeah, so check that out if you like the guards books. Is it good? Is it well regarded, received? I mean, yeah, I mean, like I said, I have friends who I trust who are fans of Discworld, and they said they enjoyed it. So, you know, I'm willing to, if I can find a way to get it, I'm willing to give it a shot. Because, you know, at one point years ago, Scott, you said a thing and I've held on to it for a long time.

It doesn't suck until it does. Yeah, there you go. Nailed it. Well done. How do you know? There you go. How do you know until you know? You don't know, right?

Exactly. This new, look, I don't know if anyone heard, but, and I didn't even know about it. I don't know how this slipped under my radar. But George Miller's about to put a new movie out, and I didn't even know he's working on one. Mm. And it looks insane and amazing. And I can't freaking wait. It's called, hold on.

Babe three, Paking the pasture. I wish. Although somebody... Take on my plate. Somebody did tell me that. Someone did say, this Babe 3 revival sure looks weird is what they said. But it's called 3,000 years of longing. It's completed and it's got your...

It's got Idraselba, Tilda Swinton. Here's your summary. Oh. You had me at Idraselba. I know. And then I had you again at Tilda Swinton. She's great. A lone scholar or a lonely scholar on a trip to Istanbul,

discovers a gin, so like a, I guess, those are like, DJ-I-N-N-J? Yeah, like those. As opposed to a Claire gin. Yeah. That's all I think of when I say, Jen. Who offers her three wishes in exchange for his freedom, what she wants is love, but can, but can and should he grant it to her.

That sounds like, who knows what the hell all that is? All I know is George Miller's making a movie, and the trailer looks crazy. So, I'm losing my mind. I'm so excited. But, hey, that's one example. love, it won't suck until it does. Right. Exactly.

Exactly. And my husband always says whenever we see a movie or something and we're like, I heard this wasn't good. My husband always says, I hope this is the best movie I've ever seen. Oh, there you know. That's such a good positive attitude. I agree. Right.

Like, I mean, you know, why would you go into an experience expecting it to be bad? Yeah. Like you hope that it's good. Because then your expectations are low, Barbies, and then you won't be disappointed in him. Yeah, more than... Sure. Oh, yeah. Well, you can expect a thing.

You'd be like, okay, you know, I'm here seeing, you know, some horrible, you know, I don't know. I can't think of a thing right now. But I'm seeing something that looks campy and dumb. I expect it to not be great cinema. But I can still hope that I have a wonderful time watching it. Yeah. You know? I think you probably will.

Well, all right. It's good to have you here. Let's dive into these books this week. So you've got two files for me, but I guess one is the book and then the other is the thing that made it self-based on the book or something. Yeah, let's go ahead and play the audio book one, the one that's labeled the audiobook. And then I'll tell you about it. And then, you know, you can decide if you want to play the other clip or not, like, based on if we have time. All right, here we go.

I went into Dad's study and found his biography of Francois Rabelet. I liked reading biographies of writers, even if, as was the. case with Monsieur Rabelais, I'd never read any of their actual writing. I flipped to the back and found the highlighted quote, never use a highlighter in my books, my dad had told me a thousand times, but how else are you supposed to find what you're looking for? So, this guy, I said, standing in the doorway of the living room, Francois Rabelais, he was his poet, and his last words were, I go to seek a great perhaps. That's why I'm going. So I don't have to be to wait until I die to start seeking a great perhaps. And that quieted them. I was after a

great perhaps, and they knew as well as I did that I wasn't going to find it with the likes of Will and Marie. I sat back down on the couch between my mom and my dad, and my dad put his arm around me, and we stayed there like that, quiet on the couch together for a long time until it seemed okay to turn on the TV. And then we ate artichoke dip for dinner and watched the History Channel. And as going away parties go, it certainly could have been worse. that sounds like Will Wheaton to me. Yes, it is Will Wheaton. Yeah.

So, yeah. So this book is, it's another John Green book. It's called Looking for Alaska. This was actually his first book that he published. And, yeah, so the narration is done by Will Wheaton. And, you know, so I get kind of a two-for because there is a TV series that goes along with this book. Now, I will say this is a young adult. adult novel, but there's a lot of mature themes in it. So this is not for, you know,

don't just like hork this book at your 12 year old and tell them to go have fun. Right. Like, there's a lot of drinking and, you know, underage drinking and sex and smoking and that kind of thing happening. So, you know, parental guidance is advised. But, but it is a really, really good story. I have a story about reading this book. It's slightly, slightly spoilery. So if you don't want to Spoiler, like, fast forward a little bit. But everybody knows when they go to read The Fault and Our Stars, right? You know to have your tissues ready for that book, right? I mean, you're reading about teenagers with cancer.

It's not a spoiler. It's going to be sad. What? So, you know, you know what you're getting with that one. So I read, that was my first introduction to John Green as an author. And I read The Fault in Our Stars and, of course, was weeping copiously. and I needed to just like jump into another book. And I thought, okay, well, his first novel, looking for Alaska, that one, that'll be safe, right?

Yeah. No. No. You need tissues for that one too. And I'm not going to say why. I'm not going to be quite that spoilery. But no, you definitely have the tissues ready for this book as well. And I actually, it was, it was the middle of the night and I was doing the insomnia.

I'm reading, reading, reading. And I got to a really page-turny point in the book. and then I realized what had happened and I texted my friend and I was like, what the hell is wrong with John Green? Why does he want me to ball like this? It sounds like books I need to make Carter read. Continue.

I mean, they're great, but yeah, it is to be to be read expecting to, you know, need some Kleenex. But it's great. And I recently found the TV show is on Hulu. That's the other clip I sent you So if you want Let's play that Because I'm curious

Totally what this is like Yeah So let's play the Hulu you say is where this is showing Yes I'm going to play it real quick Here we go I'm fascinated by last words

My favorite last words ever I go to seek A great perhaps You must be the new roommate Welcome to Colorado Creek Miles I call a Pudge. Ah, the colonel in his irony. Who's that?

Alaska Young. Alaska? My reputation precedes me. What's up, Scrub? You grow the summer bud? You have to excuse them, Pudge. They had everything in life handed to him. Looks like we're going to war.

There has been an outbreak of pranks on campus. I hope you two are staying out of trouble. Oh, hot damn. I didn't think you could look any more handsome. Simon Bolivar, you know that his last words are. How will I ever get out of this labyrinth? What do they mean? That's a mystery, isn't it?

How much is he trying to escape the world or the end of it? I'm interested in those things, too. Interesting. So what do they call this? What's the name of the show? It's called Looking for Alaska. Oh, okay. Same, same.

And John Green was an executive producer, so it's a pretty, so far, it's a pretty direct adaptation. And, you know, there's some extra things in there because they expanded it out into a limited series. So there's some things in there that weren't in the book. But so far, I'm not missing anything. And they haven't really changed anything on me. And so it's really good. The only thing I will say is that it takes place at this boarding school in rural Alabama. And there's a guy in it, they all call him the eagle.

He's, you know, one of the teachers. there he's basically his job is to catch them doing bad stuff and uh but the he he this dude lives in deep south alabama and the guy they cast has no accent all right there's no freaking way that dude would sound like hicksville you know like that one it's it's that one is that just that little part of it is all almost takes me out of it just a little bit kind of like watching uh kevin costner and robin hood you know where he's the only one that doesn't have an english accent but but yeah so but it's it's a it's a really it's a really good book it's a really good story and so far I'm only like four episodes into the TV show but I'm really into the TV

show as well so I am quite enjoying and Brian um you would probably like it for the music in it because there are some fantastic covers in here there's a the episode we just watched last night had this really really good haunting cover of um that song take me out, you know, the, I say, you don't know, you say, you know. Yeah, but like, it was this really great cover and, um, and, and they did it like this in like a minor key and the, you know, like a woman's voice and it was very hot. And I was like, oh, wow, that's a take on this song. That's really cool. So. Oh, very cool. I'm looking to see if there's a, um, a soundtrack. There's, looks like there's music. We're being corrected. It's

Franz Ferdinand. Oh, I'm sorry, Franz Ferdinand. See, okay, I will say that that is a, I always get those two confused. Damn it. And I've even seen Franz Ferdinand in concert, so there's no excuse. We have similar sound, though, for the, to your credit. They came out right around the same time. Yes, thank you.

Thank you, TV's Travis and Hank the Crab. Yeah. Hank the Crab. That's a great name. Hank the Crab, you're my new favorite name in the chat. That's amazing. I really like this. track with the covers on it sadly it looks like oh nope i take that back oh oh there it is yep young

summer does that cover and uh there's modest mouse there's a cover of i will follow you into the dark yeah oh i haven't gotten to that one yet because i love that song yeah this looks like it's um a mix of originals and and covers but i'll be checking this out later nice the uh that christian That Kristen Froseth, who plays Alaska, she's great. She's really good in things. I'm trying to think the other thing I saw her in. It was something like, was it, oh, the first, not the first lady. What am I thinking of?

The society? Anyway, she's really good. So that's enough to make me want to check. Oh, my gosh, she's my daughter's age. I'm old. Anyway, she's still good. She's good no matter what. I mean, what do you expect?

She's in a YA, you know, young adult series on Hulu. Yeah, it sounds like fun, though. Cool. Well, I didn't, and the book as read by Will Wheaton, also a good experience, I assume. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, this is one where I haven't consumed the entire audiobook,

but, you know, I typically like Will Wheaton's narration. So I would say, yeah. I mean, I like, I like this one for just reading it myself. Yeah. Um, but yeah. And I've, I've read it a couple times. I do have to be, I do have to kind of prepare myself for reading this one. But, yeah. But it's worth it's worth it's worth reading. It's good. Well, uh, again, it's called looking for Alaska. The 2019 miniseries is also available on Hulu. So you can catch that if you want to. And of course, the book and audiobook found wherever you find audio books and books. Uh, very nice. Uh, anything else going on for you before we see you next time. Oh yeah. So Brian. I'm sorry. I ruined guest connection last week. I just, I have such a thing with games. I'm like, oh, I have to play the game.

And I have to, oh, wait, I haven't answered. So I just, you know what? It's totally fine. And again, I've got a compliment Chuck on being able to, like, he got it way quicker than I thought anybody would get it. So you didn't ruin it. You're absolutely fine. There's no. But it will cause me to put some new rules up on the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

which overlay that I use. Next time, if I have won recently, I will just, I will text you what I think the answer is. Yeah, exactly. I'll be like, I'll be like, okay, I know I can't win, but I want you to know that I got this. Very, very cool. No, but the person that we bequeathed the prize to still hasn't emailed me. So I still have those really cool prizes sitting here on my desk. Oh, this little story.

Tomorrow, if, you know, if I don't hear from them. Yeah, a little bit of a. redemption arc for you there for their Amy there. I was going to ask you real quick. What was it? Oh, shoot, you threw me with that. Now I forgot. It was a question about a book and now I don't remember. Damn it. Gosh, dang it. All right. I'll remember it later. I'm between books right now and it was a question specifically about what I'm doing next and I can't remember what the hell I was going to ask. Oh, okay. Start reading Discworld. Start. And now the time. Now is the time. Now is the time. you're saying. Now is the time. You should start with Mort. Start with a book called Mort. Mort.

Mort? Okay. Yes. That M-O-R-T. That is my specific Scott recommendation for where you should start Discworld. Is it about a guy who wears plaid or about death? Because those are the two things that I think are when I hear Mort. It is about death. Okay. But I mean, you know, the capital D death like in I mean, if you've read Good Omen's, it's a similar death character. Okay. I have read. Well, I've seen Good Omen's. I haven't watched it, but I like the death character and Good Omen's.

Yeah. All right. Well, I'm wearing plaid. So I got half the Brian's deal done. Oh, you know, I'm good. I'll start reading it. Okay, that's, you know what? That's as good as any question I would have had.

So there you go. That's the book I'll read next. That's my recommendation for you is a, if you need a book to read, go, Mort is a quick read. and it is a great introduction to Discworld. And that way, if you don't, if you absolutely are like, I don't like this, then you kind of know Discworld isn't for you. But I know that it's huge sprawling universe, and so it's kind of intimidating. So I feel like it's good for somebody to give you like, okay, start here.

Start with this one. No, I like that. I like a little bit of direction with this sort of stuff. So thank you. And also, have a fantastic week. Make sure you look her up everywhere you want to look for her. She's Red Fraggle 3 on everything. and she's got a great TikTok account, so I recommend following that.

Amy, have a great week. We'll see you next time. You too. Bye. Well, that was cool. All right. We're going to do one news story. It's going to be a good one.

So sit back on me. I know one. I don't watch the news. It's the news and it's brought to you by. Brought you by Coverville today at 1 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.com. slash coverville. We celebrate cover songs, covers of songs that are now able to join

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or hold your head up by Argent. Listen the music by the Doobie Brothers. Anyway, really good covers of all of those things. Suffragette City by David Bowie for Pete's sake is 50 years old and and David Bowie did predict Kanye West on the cover of that album that this is featured on Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders for Mars does have a sign that says K. West on it. Oh weird. Yeah. Weird. Well, now I'm mad at them and now I don't want to talk to them anymore because he's weird. Whatever. No, that sounds good. A good

coverville awaits all of you tomorrow at 1.30. That's right. Yeah. Not tomorrow. Today's Thursday. Today's Thursday. Today. Today's Thursday. Today, 1 p.m. Mountain Time. Twitch.tv. TV slash cover. Yeah. Why did I say 130 and why did I say tomorrow? I don't know. You'd like me to do this tomorrow at 130. I could change it. If you really want me to. I could totally. We'll be in the middle of our play date. We can't have that. So forget it. Oh, that's right. Playday tomorrow. Oh, can I? Hmm. That's interesting. Can I do a guess the connection tomorrow. I'll make it happen. Yeah. We're going early. So you should. Right. Should be able to. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Real quick story. A mystery monkey in the news. pretty excited mystery monkey yeah mystery monkeys are always exciting this is in borneo uh they say it may be a rare hybrid monkey and scientists are actually worried about it

so six years ago tour guide brendan miles was traveling down the kinabatagan river do you think that's right sure sure i think that's exactly right yeah i don't know i don't feel good about it kinabatigan battengan Bad Tengen. Kinibetungan. There you go. That's probably it. That's probably it. This is that river in the Malaysian part of Borneo.

He was spotted, or he spotted an odd-looking primate he had not seen before. He snapped a few pictures of the monkey. And then upon reaching home, check these images. At first, I thought it could be a morph of the silvered leaf monkey, meaning a member of the species with rare color variations. But then he noticed other details. Its nose was long, like that of a proboscis monkey. Or Barboscis monkey.

You know the kind with the weird. Yep, with the weird, yes, with the very prominent proboscis. Yeah, the Jimmy Durante one looking one. Yeah, exactly, yes. Ask your dead grandparents about that guy. Hachachah. I only, my only connection to him is cartoons that made fun of him. That's it.

Totally, yep. Throwing up watching Bugs Bunny on the weekend, you would see that guy once in a while. The other connection you should have is it's a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad, mad, mad, mad. world because he's the he's the guy that starts that whole thing his car goes like he's the one who has the car accident and then says it's buried underneath the big w and then he dies and everybody races off to

so this is where I admit I've never seen that movie I know I know oh let me be let me be the Scott to your Carter and tell you you need to watch it's a mad mad mad mad mad mad world it is I'll do it I just have never done it Dude, this is like a, you're going to spend the whole movie going, oh, that guy's probably dead now. Oh, she's dead. Oh, they're dead.

Oh, he's dead. Oh, she probably died right after the movie, Ethel Merman. But it's funny, Greg for Walkman says the original, there, but it is the, I mean, whenever it was a remake unless you count rat race. Yeah, rat race is no, is no, from my understanding. No true remake. I mean, it's similar premise and everything, very similar premise, but. So like the, the Cannibal Run movies? they in the same vein? No. That's more like a, like this is an actual staged race that people

compete in. Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World is, oh, this guy just said that there's a lot of money buried under Big W in Santa Monica. Okay, well, let's, let's go on about our lives. But then everybody says, no, we're going to go. I just wanted to tell everybody that we weren't going to go after the money. And so everybody like, buddy hack it. And the dude for the father from my three sons and uh oh jeez bull merman and jonathan winters and i mean it's such a great cast it sounds like a season of loveboat is what you've just described no it doesn't oh it does all of those all those guest stars there are those are all loveboat people every one of them they were they were like a very special guest star on loveboat by that time because they were the ones that were still alive that's true

all right i'll finally watch this movie i've just never and everyone's always said to rent it i'm not sure i've i hardly ever see it streaming currently oh you can stream it on amazon prime what there you you go tonight are you doing core tonight damn it yeah i've core of core and then tomorrow came gets home so tomorrow's fine some time to watch it with carter because she would love it too okay all right carter did you hear that brian jim freaking bacchus milton burrell sid caesar spencer spencer tracy mickey runy well you had me a jim bacchus uh edy adams yeah phil silver Yeah. Who else are you got?

Not Art Carney. That sounds like he should be, though. Now we're getting into the lower. Oh, Peter Falk. Norman Fell. Mr. Freaking Roper is in this. Now that's your love boat right there. That guy was like that.

Yeah, he's a love boat for sure. Stan Freeberg. Don Knott. Buster Keaton. Geez, Buster Keaton. Carl Reiner. Buster Keaton was alive? Buster Keaton was alive.

Jerry Lewis, Jack Benny. doodles weaver oh doodles weaver thank goodness and finally doodles weaver I don't know who that is and the Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra Oh man

All right Well I'm going to watch it Yeah It's so good Yeah it's so good The point is they found these monkeys That aren't supposed to be crossbred That's such a monkey hole

It wasn't a rabbit hole It wasn't a rabbit hole as a monkey hole We went down a monkey hole. But they're worried because they're not supposed to be hybrids of these two species. And they're concerned about what that could mean for stuff. So that's your whole story. That's the story. I like where we went instead.

I'm much happier where we went. It's totally fine. Did you, by the way, just a far better place. I just realized something. That girl that was in the Finding Alaska show that we were just talking about, she's in a show called, or she was in a movie called Prey. And then I was like, oh, yeah, there's so many things called Prey, video games. There's multiple video games. called prey everyone gets confused and then i forgot in summer 2020 this year we're getting a movie called

prey which is about the it's the origin story of the predator and it's set around the world of the command sheet nation yeah and guess who directed that freaking dan tractonberg directed that movie i'm so excited that's way cool good yeah set 300 years ago by the way he's that guy who did that uh that that short uh featuring uh portal Yeah, it's a portal short. That guy. The portal short guy. He did the pilot for the boys, I think.

Oh, did it? That's right. Yeah, he did. And then the 10 Cloverfield Lane. He's great. Which I thought was really good. Dan's legit. He makes cool shit.

That rhyme, I mean, too. Anyway, we're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister, Wendy, will be here. And I've got a really interesting topic today. So stay tuned for that. Before that, though, we need a song and Brian Brung it. Sure. Let's look at David Canutes.

It's probably just pronounced... No, I think you do pronounce canootson. Yeah, I knew a canootson growing up. Yeah. Hey, this dude is from Minus the Bear, you know, one of that new crop of bands that has three words with the word the in the middle, Cage of the Elephant, Young, the Giant.

Also from the band Botch, really, he's got a brand new solo LP called The Only Thing You Have to Change is Everything. This thing came out this week, or I'm sorry, last Friday. So it's out. If you like this song, you can go listen to the rest of it. This is so good, man. This is the song VARV, V-A-R-V from the brand new album.

The only thing you have to change is everything by David Knudson. All right. We'll see you on the other side. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, and, yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

I'm going to be able to be able to be on the other than the other than I'm going to be. As for you, there's two musts. You must be Jewish and care about it, and you must not smoke. The morning stream, lights, camera, Kong. All right, we're back, everybody. Who was that again? That was David Knutzen and the song is called VARV, VARV, and it's really good. We knew a kid name, I don't remember his first name, Eric, maybe, Knutzen, and we all call him Canutes. That was his name.

Canutes. I love it. Where are you guys going? Canute's house. Okay, then what? Oh, well, if his mom's not there, we're watching. Robocop. Okay, cool. See you at Canoots his house.

That's how I'd say. Nice. There's a whole story for you. Let's get Wendy in here. See what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. She's, you know, my sister. She's a professional. She's smart.

She's S-M-I-R-T. There she is. She's personable. She knows a lot of stuff. She knows a lot of stuff. And really, that's what we're going to tap into today. Look who it is. It's my sister Wendy, a practicing therapist who calls all the way from Minnesota. Hello, Wendy. Hi, I thought you said a practical. You're practical as well, I think. You're practical. I'm incredibly practical.

Yeah. How does that feel? I don't do that. So how are you, what's practicality like? What's the deal there? I, I'm actually not that practice. I'm, I guess I'm, what am I? Adam's very practical. He is practical. What does practical mean? Just it means you're just like, do this? things that make sense? You do things that make sense. You use your surroundings to their best, to their best usage. Yeah.

That's a good way to put in it. It started out as a good way to put it, but. Use the word use a lot, and I respect that. But no, somebody who's like, well, all I think of it is like, you're not, okay, let me put it this way. Wendy's are not afraid to bungee jump off a high building. sure but she would do all the practical things around it to do it does that make sense so you're not like do the research and say yeah how many people have died doing this and sure and uh yeah

and you'd look at it hilarious that's not me at all i would i would bunch you jump off a building and do no research really i know i mean that's you that's the one weird different what we bet is you're spontaneous and what we love about you yeah what we love about you is your spontaneity and it's okay i would say maybe what you mean to be saying is that I'm I am down to earth that doesn't mean I'm actually practical or good at any basic things but I'm pretty pretty unless you're bungee jumping and then you're down to earth and then you're down to earth and then you're down to earth and then you're up to earth then you're up to earth then you laugh and then they unhook you and then you do it again yeah a little just a little bit

of pee that's right comes out that's that's gravity that's nothing well it's good to have you a few inches from earth while we have this discussion today so um You got a contact from somebody. I don't know. Did you forward the email? I don't think you did. I did, yeah. Oh, let me pull it up real quick.

I didn't see it this morning, so I will grab it real fast. Two seconds ago, because I'm not practical. Oh, look how unpractical you were today. Wow. Yeah, we take everything back that we said about you. All of it was ingest. Just spontaneous, that's all. I don't see it at all.

Which email did you send this to? I used your morning stream one. Oh, that's why. It's in, I have it filtered. Okay, there it is. oh this is super interesting all right so we're going to read this email and then it'll make sense on the other side and wendy will explain it so here we go uh hi there windy i'm actually contacting you on a friend's behalf since well i'm a regular uh show listener to you scott and

brian um that is the proper billing by the way Wendy Scott and Brian that's how we like to do things that is the order that they should you should be saying our names that's right says my friend emily has worked in residential caregiving for several years having been a care manager working up from DSP position over time. I'm not sure what that is. DSP, uh, uh, direct suspicion penis. I've no idea.

Yes. Oh, yeah. I never heard that. Direct suspicion police. Yep. That's it. Yeah. Um, however, well, she's considering going into school to learn to be a therapist in

her own right. We've discussed some concerns and I wanted to get your professional opinion. So there are three things here. Number one, she's a professional that happens to be trans. And that's led to. two issues, both from the current legal landscape and in the work that she does with clients, as you might imagine. Number two, she's worried about not being able to be detached enough to do the work because she very much throws herself into what she does in the name of helping

others and has had mental and emotional breakdowns as a result of that. Number three, she's aware as a result of her own issues to work through. Would you suggest she'd look into therapy of her own despite apparently no one anywhere near local having an opening that's trans friendly anytime in the next eight months or so or would you have another recommendation thank you for your time and everything you might be able to offer this person on behalf of another person I won't say their names so that's interesting if you had to guess Wendy how many people are I mean it's probably not even a percentage but how How many people in your line of work are, like, trans, but also in your business of, you know,

some form of like therapy or whatever? I think it's very common. Just curious. I don't know. Yeah, probably not much, right? I don't know, but it's definitely a niche that needs to grow. So. Interesting.

But I don't know the number. I mean, there's definitely sort of LGBTQ plus friendly therapists that have good training. And, you know, they'll usually advertise that, right? like that's that's something you can know about them and ask about um and so you know being able to find someone like that in a bigger city is pretty easy yeah uh easy being a relative term because it's not easy to find anyone at the moment because everyone's booked let me tell you something that came off top of my head i was thinking last night when you were telling me about this and you and then you can tell me if this is i don't know that where my head's

at with this it seems like if you let's say you were somebody seeking therapy uh and you were either in the middle of transitioning or you just had transition or whatever we're considering it and you find out oh i can there's a there's this therapist who is not only uh skilled in these specific areas and coping mechanisms and all of this but they're also trans themselves that seems like a gold mine like oh sweet i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna have this their direct connection to somebody with not only the the the knowledge and the know how you know the the wherewithal but they've also been through this they understand they know who i am and they because they're doing it themselves um some might see that as how do i put this like you're it could be a

benefit or a harm yeah not maybe a harm but like like you're going you're already feeling like you're you're in a world that's hostile to you and your decisions um and you and your you're you know they're hostile to who you are and now you're you're going to go to somebody to try to work through some of that, who is also in a position in their life where people are hostile to them for who they are. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm not saying it doesn't make them neutral. That's not the way I'm looking at it, but like, you know, empathetic or empathetic. Yes, and that'd be ultimate. I mean, they'll have the most empathy, but do you, but is there an issue with like, you're going to be, how do I put this? You're not robbing Peter to pay Paul.

I can't think of a good analogy for this. But do you know what I'm trying to say? Like, is it, okay. Yeah, well, okay, I'll put it in therapeutic terms. Like, so the therapist's background should not matter. In fact, it poses some danger when it's exact same as your background because therapists have to work pretty hard to not project their stuff on their client. So we have some words here. So one is counter transference or transference.

So you think of transference. I'm transferring my feelings on TV. you, right? Countertransference is that your client comes in, tells about some trauma they've had, same trauma you've had, you are now picking up on their experience and you're reactive or reacting to it and you're not in your best sort of neutral state of positive regard towards the person because they're triggering this sort of part of you, right? And so not that you can ever avoid any of that, because this is just humans talking to humans. right but when you get very clear about what your lines are like um you know i'm this or that or

only work with these people or these different people you're usually drawing a boundary about what you're you're sort of you do your best working because you don't get triggered in that realm a lot of therapists come from you know they're helpers right um the residential caregiving is an you know there's there's an extension of like get more education you're really good at talking to people and listening to people and they feel better after they talk to you, you know, so you can see how you would, you know, progress from there. Lots, I've known lots and lots of women in my life who had no professional degrees, but were lovely people and very good listeners and would say to me when they found out what I did, just, oh, I always wanted to do that. Because it just kind of

as a natural extension of some of their, their natural bills or gifts or whatever, right? Sure. And so you have caring people. You also have people who've been through some things, very commonly because most people have been through some things, right? But maybe they needed help and they got help and that inspired them. Like I have a friend who's an orthopedic surgeon. He was born with a club foot and like all sorts of physical challenges. And his buddies through his childhood were orthopedic surgeons, right? He, his life has been altered forever for good because of that.

So that was a driving force even when he made it. the medical school twice. Like he's still, he's there now, which is amazing, right? But that mattered so much to him how they were treated. So sometimes you'll have therapists that came from that kind of background where they got good help, or they just feel called to it or whatever it might be. So the actual, what I am and what I work with, that has to be dealt with by the therapist, which is really what the question this friend is asking for her friend is, is this a good idea? When, you know, she is trans, she's had all sorts of issues. It's currently a pretty scary time to be openly trans and have, you know, sort of the news every few minutes is something horrible.

And, you know, you're just not sure what's up and down in that regard to just jump right into, I'm going to do this and I'm going to help other people and not maybe have a good grasp on your own stuff. That's the concern I'm hearing from the friend is like, you know, is she detached enough to do the work? And I'm going to say right now, there's no such thing as detached enough to do the work. You have whatever triggers you and whatever doesn't. So I'm detached enough to do the work because this doesn't trigger me versus, you know, someone coming at me with all my same stuff. That's going to trigger me. I can't detach from my own self. And so it's because you're not working with a robot.

You're working with a human, right? But these very sort of obvious challenges that this trans woman is going to be dealing with, and then, you know, she wants to create it, maybe she wants to create a niche for trans clients. You know, that's a great idea. But you can't do that, just like any therapist shouldn't really do any of this without working on your stuff, right? So working on your stuff before is great. Often programs will have you do therapy while you're in the program. and, you know, as much as the work you can do without having to work through it because your

client brought it up, the better, right? Like, you're just going to be a better professional if you can make sure you've gotten your own care. And that's true. I think if you've heard me talk long enough, that's true for parents. This is true. We're all the people, right? Like, if you think of, I don't know, think of anyone recently doing a thing that you're like, what in the world? And it's so obvious from the outside. side how dysfunctional that response was or how dangerous or, you know, whatever it might be. I can tell you right now, they haven't done their work, right? They haven't figured out what was driving them or why that impulse was there or, you know, to some extent, most of us. And that's why

people often will have something hard happen or they'll behave in a way they really are not proud of. And then they go seek treatment to figure out what in the world that was about, right? So it's just very common, very normal. I think if I could do anything, it would be to normalize this. you don't have to be perfect to be a therapist, but you are going to have a much harder road if you don't understand yourself and deal with your own trauma, right? Because trauma is what usually is triggering, is the most triggering thing in therapy sessions. And so you're just going to have a harder time doing the work. And it may mean, like she said, I think it was number two, she does think in the name of helping

others, throws herself in and then has a mental and emotional breakdown as a result of it. That is not a great sign if you're going to spend day and day out listening to people's challenges because you can, we call it vicarious trauma, you can actually be traumatized by the things that you're hearing. And you do build up some sort of calluses around some of that. But especially when it's not related to you, you can have empathy and hear it. But if someone, like say you lost someone in a very tragic way and then you have a client come in and talk about losing someone in that same kind of tragic way.

And you haven't done your work. This is going to turn into your therapy session, right? So really getting, you know, feeling solid before starting school would probably be important. Now, the third point was a problem is finding a trans-friendly therapist who has an opening locally. Oh. And that's why there's a need for her to work. Right? Like you can see that there is a large gap in these in these services. And this is going to be true everywhere. Unless you are in a big, big city in even still, I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but I recently met a therapist. And what we normally do is exchange cards so that we can send each other referrals if we need to. And both of us are like, do not send me anyone. It's like the opposite now. It's like, I'm not getting give you my card because I don't have I don't have. have any room. Everyone's burned out. Like, it's just, as you all know, for the various reasons.

This is not a time to be starting up with the therapist if you haven't met one yet. It's hard. It's really hard. But I have a couple of suggestions. Okay. First of all, do you guys have anything to say? I'm on a roll. No, no. Keep rolling. No. Roll like the wind. This is an area that I definitely don't feel like I can contribute to. Right. Right. So number one, it is really important to find someone who is trans friendly. And there are going to people who are trans unaware and, you know, capable of certain things. So I have a number of trans clients and I am trans aware and I am doing my best, but I am not fully skilled like someone else might be. And so, you know, someone's, you know, one client's going to do a full transition. And I am just working on other things that are in my

wheelhouse and they will, you know, eventually meet with someone differently for that transition thing. So I'm working on the underlying anxiety and depression, et cetera, right? And then another one, we've worked together for a long time and, you know, lots of good things have gone into that and it's going well. But if I start to feel out of my depth or not really sure what to do, it's my ethical responsibility to refer them to someone else who is qualified, more qualified to do that work. So I'm the neutral to positive. example like you could come to me and we'd work on some things and I would you know but there might be some education I still need to do and I have to be honest about that right um but

there there's a there's a spectrum here and all the way to people who are well trained and this is like a thing that they do um and they're awesome at it great all the way to well-intentioned folks who really can do more harm than good and so especially when things can feel very suspect right like just it's not you're not sure is a little is a little bit like going to a brick layer to learn how to do accounting you know what I mean like just the wrong person for the wrong job and I guess the hard part is you know there's an assumption I guess I will admit there's an assumption on my part that if you are a working psychologist who's seeing clients all the time that you're just kind of up on everything but that would be like saying every dentist

has the latest equipment. And that's not always true. Some of them are still jamming. Not at all. And we have to do training all the time. It's, you know, most states it's 40 hours of continuing education over a two-year period. And you don't think 40 sounds long, but it is when you have to do it. And so you really should be upping your skills.

But you may be hyper-focused on this and you can't study everything, right? And your practice could just be a different thing. And then there are folks who have agendas. And that's because humans sometimes have agendas, right? Like they're uncomfortable. They haven't worked on their own stuff regards to LGBTQ stuff. So they really shouldn't be seeing somebody until they are at a different place or that's just not a good fit for them because they haven't figured that out or whatever.

And not everyone should be seeing everyone, right? though we sort of often are like generalists because you have to be sometimes that's not always accurate like you're saying but also just like that it's a vulnerable place to be right you're going to open up about how you're feeling through about all these things and so there's this concept of self-determination that you can understand and when a client comes in you have to meet them where they're at and what's tricky is this has been a recent thing that that's happened for one of my clients is just having someone be so supportive of her trans identity. She's just telling her what to do. You got to do this and this and this and this is the only

way you're going to be happy because their kid or their friend did it. And that's not therapeutic or helpful. But even though it's supportive, it lacks that self-determination and like really letting someone be where they're at and help them as they go to where they want to be, right? And it's just as bad as, well, it's not just as bad, probably it's better, but it's also problematic. And the other way of don't do that, you're going to lose your family, you know, basically parroting back society's prejudice and fears towards them. And so that's tricky. And this, I've said this a million times on the show when you're looking for a therapist is you've got to click. So I get that this is a maze of nightmare to there's no one to find.

And then when you find someone you have to click, like it's. so frustrating. That's why a lot of people like CBT, because it's very, like, homework-based and directive, and, like, you know, you're going to be able to work with your thought. You don't have to love your therapist all the time for that to work. Like, you can be really effective with your therapist being not your favorite. But there are definitely other versions of therapy where you really have to click. You have to trust them. You have to open up. You have to be vulnerable. Yeah. For anyone who doesn't know what that is, CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, right? Therapy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

And so this, this is going to matter. And so a couple of ideas on her third point with, which is just, you know, yes, I would suggest she looks into therapy. And you might have to get creative about how to find it. So, and I'm sure this resource on here before, but psychology today.com has a find a therapist search button. Pretty much every therapist is on it. I'm not. but plenty are and and it's because you have to like opt out of it when you do a bunch of continuing education so a lot of people just have it and and it's a good resource and there you can

read it'll list anyone in your zip code that's available to you it will show you if they are trans friendly or not you can specifically search for that and do your best to find somebody locally now because of telehealth and statewide licensing there might be whatever state they're in, there might be someone they could see online that's still in their state who's trans-friendly. That is probably the best bet, is to look for that. And then if there is literally no one, and this is risky because it is not the same thing as therapy, but there may be some type of coaching services that are trans-friendly that can help you sort of work through some of this. I don't know the depth of this stuff and life coaches basically are trained to if

it's out of their depth, they refer on to therapists very quickly. So this really would be more about positive, it's kind of a positive psychology thing of like, how do we get you to your goal and that type of thing? It's not going to be dive deep into any of your trauma. But it may be helpful in the process of just figuring out if this is really the work you want to do. But my first, that's the desperate part. There is some resources there, but the key really will be finding someone within your state, which is now an option that wasn't sort of two years ago. Therapists were not doing online, and now many of them still do it. And so that is an option to find someone not so local, but that is trans-friendly. So that's what I would suggest. And just to boost her

career chances of being successful and balancing these things is to get help first would be really helpful. It sounds like she starts the program in eight months. Yeah. According to the way they're email. Yeah. So that's some good time to do some good work. And then school will trigger a bunch of stuff and we have to work through that then. And, you know, that's part of what grad school for this actually is, is a lot of that self-work. So, you know, she'll get lots of practice at this and it'll help her decide if this is what she wants to do. Yeah. I know maybe this is a strange thing to say.

I don't know. Maybe it isn't. So I'm just going to say it. If I had a therapy, I don't have therapy right now. But if I did, and Wendy's always saying everybody should have therapy. So maybe I should. But not in any kind of therapy or anything. But if I did, is it weird that I would love it if I had a trans therapy.

therapist. Is that a weird thing to say? Because the reason I'm saying that is, I think I like that, to me, there's a wealth of experience there that I don't get from just some vanilla therapist. It's somebody who understands a lot more about a lot more stuff than you're, it's a weird assumption, I know, because you're all real smart. Don't get me wrong. All you practicing therapists out there, all you psychologists, even psychiatrists, you're all brilliant. Okay. But for some reason, I want somebody with some... It's been through some things. Been through some stuff because I feel like that... Then, I mean, then I'm just in awe of them almost. It's like, wow. Not that I need them to be on a pedestal, but I mean like, not only when I talking to somebody who understands all this human behavior stuff, they understand all the human

mind works, they understand all the baby, blah, blah, blah, and they, they're going to know how to help me, but they really had to learn how to help themselves, too. There's something about that for me. Is that a weird thing? or is that not way? No. I mean, no, and everyone's different. Like, someone else might have the exact opposite feeling of like, I want someone who has their, like, their life looks like it's really functioning well so I can like get that energy or, or I want somebody who, uh, yeah. So, so for example, it's really difficult sort of on a general level to find a black therapist.

And there's a really cool, um, foundation. If anyone has some money, they want to donate somewhere. that does some great stuff. It's the Loveland Foundation. And basically it's to help support black therapists in their training and then providing scholarships essentially for black women to have access to that therapy. And that's because that worldview, you can't replicate it. You can't get it. You don't, there's no way to empathize with that in a particular way that sometimes I think people might need. And then there's sometimes where your empathy is sufficient, right? So I had a good friend with, had a sort of really terrible medical thing happened and became disabled in her mid-20s and, you know, tried a bunch of different

therapists to just sort of figure out how to live a new life. And it was difficult. The matching up was very difficult. And the one that finally clicked with her was a guy who went blind in his late 20s. Oh, geez. And so, and the line to get into him was like a million miles long because, A, he was very good, but he was very good because he dealt with his stuff, did his own work, and then that was an asset. And that can be the same thing for this person, right?

It's either a hindrance or an asset if you come with too much stuff, but you have to put it in order and you have to know what it is. to be able to work with yourself so that you don't make your therapy for someone else about you or your issues or your agenda usually unconsciously right like it's very rare anymore that anyone's just like yeah i'm going to go out there and make someone not gay or not trans or not whatever it's it's not that at all for the most part i mean well there's also there's also a tendency i think for people to see what you and others do and go well they're almost like robots they they've got it all figured out clearly or why else would they have this job and that's crazy

to think that right because you're all human beings and you've got your own you know tendencies weaknesses strengths whatever and you may have have a big toolbox of coping mechanisms that you can now share and and stuff but it doesn't mean that you don't need them in fact what's that Brian what was that HBO show that was so good with um oh geez Irish actor in therapy no uh oh yeah Yeah, Graffin, or Gabriel Byrne, in treatment. In treatment. And then they came back and did one with Udo Azubo, or Udo Azubo from Orange is the New Black. Oh, yeah, I never saw the new one.

I meant to do that. The new one was really good, too. Faced followed exactly the same format. Yeah, I really liked it because there was these, the parts where Gabriel Byrme would have to go talk to Diane Weiss, his therapist, was this like, oh, right, right. this is how you deal with stuff like you've got your own things in his case i think like was it like a divorce or dealing with his kids or whatever it was and it's just so easy on the outside to see this i do this with doctors too or i think a lot of people do it with doctors and professionals of lots of types but especially those who deal with like human beings so whether it's your mental health

or your physical health you see them and you just think well they're obviously eight levels above everyone else they're you know they went to school for 10 years to do this like they must not be able to do anything wrong well of course they can and do like or just mistakes or whatever and I think that's an important part of this for whatever reason I think it's important anyway that we at least acknowledge that you know these are people and people sometimes therapists go on vacation so everybody it's going to be all right that's true right it's like a teacher a little bit like They live in the school. They need to not be outside of the school.

Yeah, they just exist there. And part of that is because when you're really relying on someone, and for a period of time, sometimes it's that therapist is like holding, helping hold your life in their hands, right? You're incredibly vulnerable to them. And when that's the case, sometimes we need that person to be kind of perfect. Yeah. And so, you know, that's understandable. And then here's where it's tricky is that therapists and doctors, also know this and have also thought of doctors and therapists this way. So there is a huge pressure

to know all the answers, which is why sometimes people can do work out of their scope, because they want so bad to have the answers and find the answers and work hard to get the answers. It's not usually because they're jerks. It's usually because they're just really trying to help everyone, because they're supposed to know, and they're supposed to be able to do it, and they're supposed to be okay, which I think the pandemic was a great little lesson, especially for me, of like, oh, what happens when I'm in the same pandemic as my client? Yeah. Yeah.

You don't like you to live in some rarefied air where there's no pandemic where Wendy lives. It doesn't work that way. It doesn't. And sometimes we'd be talking about homeschooling our kids while, you know, Pete's outside my office door, hot glue gunning his hand to, I don't know, something on fire. and I'm and I'm telling my client about it and I'm like oh man should I pay you I don't know whose therapy this is right now like it was really difficult to figure out that line and I had to just stop reading stuff and paying attention so much to to news and things because I was just like losing my capacity to not be be traumatized myself you know it's really hard and so that's why therapists need therapists and that's why therapists need calls. colleagues to work it out through and, you know, talk through cases and, you know, all those different things. And everyone's at a different place in their training, too. So it's like I wish we could, you know, you can still be helpful, but also infuse a lot of compassion with, you know,

everyone's growing and figuring things out. And so this friend of this e-mailer maybe end up being fantastic at this. Right now, looks concerning, right? Like, you know, when whenever she's really helping others, she has emotional mental breakdowns. That does not seem like a good idea. And so it's that, you know, where she is at this moment is not where she will be after two years of graduate school and four thousand of supervised hours and, you know, working in clinics and with people and doing her own work. It's going to be a very different place. That's a lot of stuff ahead of you. So, you know, support and having people with you as you do it, it's going to be important too. It's nice having this friend reach out for this person.

I know. Yeah. It's really cool to see that kind of support. So I don't know. I think you're on the right track. And I think it was a good discussion today about what to do and how to do it. And also if I could just go. Oh, yeah. I was just going to say if I can get a, I would like a black gay. You and categories. Black gay, little person. Little person. Trans. That's trans. I want. That's the therapist that I want. Someone who's been through it all. and come out on the other side. She is booked until 2026. Sorry. And she'll be like, excuse me, heterosexual white guy.

What do you mean? I know. I know. Look, I will fully copy. You have problems with combo meals? Darn. Let me see if I can help you with that. Yeah, seems pretty lame. Yeah.

But whatever. Anyway, sorry, you were going to say something, Wendy. Oh, now I forgot. Oh. Yay. Look at that. That's so easy to get me to forget things. Just say something else.

That's what happens to me. I had a question earlier for Amy when she was on for a book segment and I forgot what the crap I wanted to. I still don't remember. What do I even do? Yeah, what do we even do? I have a question generally. And I would love an email about this if somebody wants to divulge. Just generally the burnout people are experiencing.

Yeah. and how, again, like, the global experience, the global experience of a pandemic, right, was just such a fascinating social experiment. It might be fascinating again, since the numbers are more. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like the sort of the winding down aftermath of this is interesting in some of its global application as well. And just the numbers are showing it in lots of different ways. but just my anecdotally, there's not a client I have who's not a little burned out and everyone I know.

And I just wondered if there's, you know, someone wants to talk through and we could get into what are the actual symptoms of it because it's not just burnout from work. I think we always think, oh, I'm burned out from work. Burned out from taking care of kids all the time. I'll just switch work, right? So that's kind of been one of the things people have done in the past. They just switch it up and then they feel better or whatever. But I think it's. It doesn't work.

I mean, I shouldn't say. It doesn't work for everybody, but there are people I know who, myself included, like, you're like, oh, I just need a couple days away. And then you do a couple days away. And you're like, that didn't really help because all I did was think the whole time about this other thing. I still feel burned out. So it's like a different kind of burning out. It's like a. It is. It is. Existential. I'd love to have someone's take that we could kick off from. And we could. Yeah. I would as well. So if anyone out there has any thoughts on that, send those in the morning stream at gmail.com. In the meantime, make sure you bookmark real steps.org, not currently taking new people, but when it does, you're going to want to have that handy. Yes. And if you have, if you, well, I promise we won't email you many times, but if you want to sign up, get on our email list. We're going to send something out in the next week or so that's some previews of some different things we're doing.

And we'd love people to, we're actually going to interview a few people if anyone's willing. And you don't have to have already participated in. Real Steps. We'll interview some people who have, of course, and then we want to, you know, see if anyone outside is willing to just talk through with, through us, through, thank you. Talk with us. Through it with us. Through it with us. Yeah, just their sort of thinking and what has worked for them and not in the past and just for the market research, if anyone is bored. I know everyone's bored and burned out. Don't you want to talk to me about? Not bored, but definitely burned out. Yeah, that feeling of like, I wish I was bored.

I would love to be bored. I don't know how to do that anymore. I've lost the ability to be bored. I don't know how to do it. I want to. I've tried yesterday. I was like, you know, I'm going to sit in this chair in the sun for a while. And I'm just going to try to be bored.

I couldn't do it. I couldn't be bored. I still had lots of ideas and lots of things and lots of stuff. And I was just still like, you know, the time went too quick. I could make that. Ooh, I could draw that. Yeah, it's too much. It's too much.

I need boredom. All right. It doesn't happen. And anyway, well, it's always good to hang and chat. I hope that I hope Peter's not glue gunning anything to anything. That seems bad. Oh, he's making his own greenhouse now. And I said, hey, can't we just buy a little one?

And he's like, no, I need the glass and I need a glass cutter. And I'm like, okay, no, what? He's going to retire. He's going to retire you guys. He's going to retire you guys. He's going to be the one that does the most amazing stuff. and you guys can just like easy street it for your golden ears, I'm telling you. Yeah, if I could get him out of a house and to school on time.

Just glue get him to a school bus and you're sad. Yeah, you're all set. There you go. I don't know if it'll adhere that long. Hopefully, don't sweat. Just tell him, don't sweat. Don't sweat. It's fine.

Have a wonderful week and we'll see you next time. Bye now. Thanks, guys. Bye. Okay, see you. All right, there goes my sister. She's off. She's out.

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I'm like, oh, my God, that song is 50 years old. Oh, that one's 50 years old? But the good news is I've got great covers of all of them. So that will be coming up today. 1 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.t.v.com. Coverville. Coverville. In the meantime, help us out over at patreon.com slash TMS. We are halfway through this month and heavily directed toward the June month. So get out there and get it done. A dollar a month is all you'd have to get in to be a, you know, a baseline supporter. And it's really nothing like a buck a month. Can't beat that. It's easy. In this world of like hyperinflation, look at what we're doing. Keeping it real, man. exactly get in there for a dollar even though everything else costs way more than that patreon.com slash tms everything else is at frogpants.com slash tms brian has music play your music please i music play my music okay all right matt rodin said uh may 22nd is my 40th birthday he's not a patron

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Sorry. And I would love to hear a cover with bagpipes. If not, anything Scottish or Irish would be great. Listen to Claire, for example. It would be just fine with me to play this any time in May. I'm not currently a patron, but I listen to every show available for free. And I have since the beginning. Thank you, Matt.

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All right this is great There's a band that I follow that I love called the Red Hot Chili Pipers and they are a bagpipe band that does as you might guess

covers of pop songs not just Red Hot Chili Peppers As a matter of fact I don't know if I've got a cover by them of a Red Hot Chili Pepper song. However, I do have this great one right here.

What they do, by the way, is they mix in traditional Scottish jigs and stuff in with the covers that they do. So, for example, this cover you're about to hear of everybody wants to rule the world, combines

the Tears for Fear's song with a song called The Bung. The Bung! The Bung! Sweet. The Bung! Yeah. Which is, we learned yesterday is uh what was it it was like a law firm or something or the law no they were suing it was the bald guy getting sued because he his boss called him the c word oh and they worked for some bung corporation or something you work for the bun corporation whatever they do yes exactly listen uh when you work with uh alcohol when you're a distiller or a

winemaker the um the cork that you put in the keg i believe i believe is called the bung that's the bung. Okay. So when you say something got all and it plugs the bunghole. So when you say something got bunged up, you mean it got the holes been, the bung hole. Yeah. The bung. The bung, the cork has been lost. Yeah, the bung. All right. Cool.

It's been bunged up. All right. Red Hot Chili Piper's from the album Octane from 2016. Here's the cover of Everybody wants to rule the world. See you guys at Playdate Date and the rest of you on Monday. I don't know. You know, and so on, you know, and so on, you know, and so, you know, I'm going to be.

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