The Morning Stream - TMS 2313: Whispers of the Sheep

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

Arvada. Population: Brian. Well Oiled Date Night. There are FOUR Hobbits. What things do you like about Vegas? Mowing a lawn with a fully exposed John Deere. Thunder Jacket is my Ac/DC cover band. Joh...nny Helmets. Just Salt The Earth. Dude, you've got Adele. They made small talk very small talk. Red Flag Means Someone Barfed. The kart company needs better matchmaking. Conoco: the Funniest Gas Station. He can draw my women any time. 31 Flavors of Omicron with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:36 Well-oiled date night. There are four hobbits. What things do you like about Vegas? Mowing a lawn with a fully exposed John Deere. Lender Jacket is my ACDC cover band. Johnny Helmits. Just salty earth. Dude, you've got Adele.
Starting point is 00:00:52 They made small talk, very small talk. Red flag means someone barfed. The cart company needs better matchmaking. Conoco. The Funniest Gas Station. He can draw my women any time. 31 flavors of Omicron with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. How big is the honeycomb?
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Starting point is 00:01:26 their milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard this is the morning stream hello everybody welcome back to tms it's the morning stream for tuesday july 5th 22 i'm scott johnson and that's brian ibid hi brian hello it's revenge of the fifth revenge of the fifth everybody let's do it every month every month. Go and put out all the fires and clean up all of the paper wrappers from your legally bought fireworks that you did until 11 o'clock or 1130 at night last night. Yeah. How was your dog?
Starting point is 00:02:07 In the neighborhood where people are trying to sleep. She's deaf, so she's fine. This is like, last night was silver lining. Basically, it was like, oh, it sucks having a deaf dog, except last night. Yeah. So who do you, so does anyone need the blanket that? the tight blankety thing, whatever it is? Oh, yeah, the Thundershirt or whatever it's called.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Yeah. Under jacket, whatever it is. No, you know, we haven't, obviously, since she's been deaf, we haven't had to put that on her at all. Thunderstorms come and go, firecrackers come and go, but, uh, yeah, no issues. We had both yesterday, so I was really glad that I have dogs that don't care about thunder or fireworks. They neither are deaf, but they just don't care for some reason.
Starting point is 00:02:50 And I can't quite figure it out. I mean, Ripley gets a little skittish. Consider you're lucky. Yeah, I feel lucky, I do. But, you know, there's a little skittishness with Ripley once it starts. She just is like curious, not really freaked. But Rain is just like, whatever, and tunes it out and lays down and doesn't care. So we got lucky in that regard with those two dogs.
Starting point is 00:03:10 But I feel bad for everybody else with dogs who get freaked out. Also, we had really weird wind yesterday. And all I could think about all day, it was like, oh, man, this is just going to blow that stuff and make fires. and we're all screwed. What are we doing? It's a dry summer. This is terrible. And then, I don't know, somehow, miraculously,
Starting point is 00:03:30 as if, as if handed down from heaven, the wind subsided while the fireworks went off. So it was okay. Yeah. The thunderstorms you had probably helped with that as well. It did. Yeah. We got some weird microbursty stuff prior to all this.
Starting point is 00:03:48 But the worst part was earlier in the day, we had, Kim had this, like, awesome. what do you call it avocado toast type bar she set up oh I saw the brunch photo yeah it is crazy we had all the kids over it was so good my gosh that food was good
Starting point is 00:04:04 problem was it was blowing so hard outside we couldn't eat outside which was like the original plan it was going to be all nice out there and shaded but it was so windy it was just blowing everything to pieces so we had to eat inside but then later in the day it was fine that all worked out well good yeah it was okay it's all right now
Starting point is 00:04:21 here's a question yes as you guys all know uh Brian like like Adele and you know Britney Spears before her uh he hasn't a he has a residency in Las Vegas I do residency in Las Vegas yes yeah and you're and you were going to go some time at the end of the month but I guess you had to change it I'm really curious how this all went still still going at the end of this month just even more closer to the end of this month so it was going to be on the 17th 18th and I moved it to 10 days later the 27th and 20th because my buddy Chris Brown, not that one, that email or called me and said, hey, I've got to fly to California and pick up a car for my daughter and then drive it back to Colorado. Do you want to come
Starting point is 00:05:06 with me? Oh. And I thought about it for a second. I said, no. I don't. That's what I would have said. Not because I don't think it would be a blast to do that, but because, you know, I've already got some, you know, some trips coming up in this month and in September, and I need the time here. But I said, what are the dates you're doing it? Because I'm actually going to be in Vegas. You're definitely going to be coming through Vegas. You'll want a place to stay. Sure.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Maybe it all times out. And he says, oh, it's going to be at the very end of the month. I said, all right, well, let me, let me see what I can do. Let me work some magic. So I got on with Southwest. I got my flight changed. It was actually $11 cheaper to move it to the middle of the middle of the. the week. That never happens. That's fantastic. That's great. Yeah, it was going to be a Sunday night and
Starting point is 00:05:52 a Monday or basically I was going to get there Sunday morning, have all day there, then spend the night, then have most of the day Monday, fly home Monday night. Sunday night's not a great day to go to Vegas, right? I mean, the crowds are down, but a lot of things aren't open, right? If you, you know, you want to do some cool, like, I don't know, Jules Verne inspired whiskey tasting on a rocking a submarine, you can't do it on a Sunday night, but you can do it on a Wednesday, I believe. Yeah, yeah, they like to have at least, you know, Vegas, one day of rest, please. That's what they can't like. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:06:25 So Sunday happens to be, happens to be that. So, no problem changing over Southwest. I hop on the, um, the M-Life website because I was planning on staying at MGM Grand. I get into my reservation. I say, okay, let's change the dates. They say, oh, sorry, you're going to have to call us. A little message pops up on screen. Sorry, you're going to have to call us to get this change.
Starting point is 00:06:44 I'm like, all right, no problem. So I get on the phone with MGM Grand. Get somebody very helpful, and he's asking me, all right, what are the new dates? What's your reservation number? Okay, let me plug it in and let's get it changed it over. His system was going a little slow, though. So in the meantime, he had to make some small talk or, you know, basically say, all right, well, what other plans? What other things do you plan on doing while you're here in Vegas, right?
Starting point is 00:07:11 kind of like the, do you want me to set you up with tickets or you want to buy some tickets for Ka or get reservations for Kraftsteak or one of the other many restaurants at the MGM Grand? I'm like, oh, you know, I'm just there for the night. I'm probably going to, you know, go hit up a couple restaurants that I know that are upstrip and things like that. Yeah, it's a cookie. All right. Sure. Still waiting, still waiting for your reservation to come through. So what things do you like about Vegas? they have to make small talk that's great i start laughing and i said oh my gosh i guess uh i guess
Starting point is 00:07:49 you've run out of things for your little for your script there and i'm laughing silence on the other end like he doesn't laugh with me or anything it's just silence oh that's the worst he goes no i was just curious about what you liked about las Vegas okay your reservation your reservations uh switched over all set mystery but thank you for calling mGM grand click wow what things do you like about Vegas like oh i don't know the high prices the uh old people blowing smoke in my face constantly the uh the heat uh heat the uh the constant need to walk through a bunch of crap yeah every every potential super spreader event going through the casinos uh that you know all that stuff i love it thank you the chad that live under the city the city i love that
Starting point is 00:08:38 there's lots of things to love cities in my mouth sure what What's not to love about that? Sure. But, yeah, poor guy. I feel bad for it because I was joking and he really seemed to kind of take it personally. He wasn't in the mood you were in and it was just, it just clashed. And that's unfortunate because I think I would have heard you laugh and I would have gone, yeah, I did kind of run out of stuff anyway.
Starting point is 00:08:59 I would have linked into it, but he's clearly not having that kind of day. No. Clearly there are more things I like about Vegas than he likes about Vegas. Yeah. That's an unfortunate deal. Well, anyway, but you got it all working. worked out. You're good. Got all worked out. Also, since we last spoke, since we, I guess, right before our play
Starting point is 00:09:17 date on Friday, Tina and I went karting. This was a mystery date surprise thing for me. We have an indoor cart track. It used to be an Al Unser racing, and now it's like Axelrod racing or something like that. But it's, it's an indoor track with, I think, up to eight or ten go-carts on it really windy kind of thing um and i'd never done anything like that before right like you know bumper cars autopia at uh disneyland kind of and then you know driving a real car that's been my only real experience of um of doing anything even remotely close to that so we get in there and they're explaining the whole thing to us they said all right well um you know because of COVID. We don't have the suits anymore. We don't
Starting point is 00:10:07 uh, uh, you know, we don't have the neck bra or the, there was some other thing that that we weren't going to get because of sanitization and COVID and stuff like that. Oh, they used to have suits like a jumpsuit type thing? A full on jumpsuit that you would wear. Yeah. Oh, wild. Okay. I don't know, I don't know why. But, um, but we do get a head sock to keep, like just basically it looks like a ninja, a ninja deal goes on under our helmets. Nice. Head sock. Those don't get reused, so I still have mine upstairs. They're like, oh, yeah, we don't want those backs, sir. It's a good look for you, by the way.
Starting point is 00:10:41 I'm just going to go ahead and put it on the record that I think Brian looks cool in a head sock. Thanks. I'm thinking about wearing wearing like a burka, basically. There's something about it. It's like, I can't put my finger on it. It's because you have no hair bulk, right? So it's just your, it's the shape of your head. It's still that same head shape.
Starting point is 00:11:03 It's the kind of guy, like you feel like if somebody who's robbing your house and they're wearing that, for some reason, Brian seems less intimidating in a head sock than other people. Yeah, but I'd also be very easy to identify in the lineup like, oh, that guy has the same shape as he did when he had the head sock on, so I know it had to be him. Yeah, and if you squint really hard, he looks like an uncircumcised peen. Right, exactly. Yeah. I get that a lot. So we get up there and basically they try to, you know, if you've been. got a big group your group all goes together but when you're just a couple going in there
Starting point is 00:11:37 they're going to pair you up with some other people maybe a uh two some or three some or four some or something like that so that they can have enough people on the track to keep things moving because that place was busy i mean it was a constant on a thursday night it was a constant people on the track people who are not on the track getting in their cars and waiting so that as soon as the last car is in the pit boom these guys are going and it is like bam bam bam wow uh You're not redundant. Ironic to call it a well-oiled machine or coincidental to call it a well-oiled machine. Because they're all oiled machines, I would assume.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Exactly. So we're sitting in the waiting area, and they're getting ready to call our number, and we look over and we see a guy pull, you know, he's not going to use the helmets that they provide. He's got his own helmet. It's got his name on it. He brings it in a cloth bag. He's sitting with some other people who've got their own helmets. So I'm like, oh, look at these guys. I'm thinking to myself.
Starting point is 00:12:34 I didn't say it out loud. But, man, like the ultimate pros. They're like bowlers, you know, with their own ball. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yes. Sure enough, we, they call our number.
Starting point is 00:12:46 We go out there and we happen to be going out there with the pros. With Mario Andretti. Yeah. With Dale Earnhardt Jr. With those are the only ones I can name. Waltrip. Dennis Waltrip, that's a name, right? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:12:59 You got me. All these F1 people. The people love all the F1 guys. No idea who they are. I have no idea. I mean, I could say Daryl Earnhardt Jr. Or Dale Earnhardt Senior. Senior.
Starting point is 00:13:08 That gives me two of them, really. Yeah, one's a ghost. One exists. Yeah. Anyway. Oh, Dick Trickle. Yeah, of course. Oh, Dick Trickle.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Gosh, dang. That's right. And in the sign-up process, you actually get to choose your name. And you kind of get put on the spot. It's like, oh, they didn't tell me I'd have to do this. Of course, it was mystery date. So I had even less time to prepare. So I'm like, uh, uh, uh, axel rolled.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Like, like, the play on Axel Rose, the very ham-fisted play on Axel Rose. I love it. Tina, Tina's like, I don't know what I'm going to put. I said, I don't want you to be Mad Maxine. Yeah, that's great. That's great. Came out very well. So, we get in our cars, and of course, we're sitting there next to Johnny helmets, and, you know, all three of these guys with their pro helmets.
Starting point is 00:13:56 And they're telling us, like, all right, yeah, you can, you know, here's what all the different flag colors. I mean, there's like six or seven flag colors that you've got to memorize of like, oh, no, this one means stop. This one means pull over because somebody's faster than you. This one means hazard on the track. This one's like, okay, I know final lap. I know the checkered flag that you're done. Yeah, I didn't know there were other ones. I know there's one that's like a yellow flag when someone's wrecked and so everyone else has to slow down or something.
Starting point is 00:14:23 That's the hazard. White flag means this is your final lap. So, you know, get ready to wrap it up the next time you see me. kind of thing. Wow, they get hardcore about this. They do. Red flag means just stop. Just stop.
Starting point is 00:14:36 There is a big problem on the, on the chorus, so just stop. Yeah, someone barfed or fell out or something. So wait a minute. So let me understand this. Like, are they trying to do like, are they being hardcore about it or is I, because I picture like bumper cars or something, you know, where it's a little silly. Oh, no, you get a, you get a, oh, what's the color they give you there? They give you a
Starting point is 00:15:00 It's a whole different black flag. Oh, yeah, black flag. They give you a black flag if you do something. If you're like excessively hitting the walls, if you're hitting the other cars too much, like you're, they can tell you're not doing it accidentally, but that you're doing it on purpose.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Damn. That means you're out? It's a green flag. It's a green flag. You're right. And then they hold up a sign that says what you're doing. You're skidding too much, which is like, I'm surprised they didn't call me on that
Starting point is 00:15:27 because I was trying to do some drifting. And I was gunning my gas pedal too soon during the drift. And I was like, fish tailing is out round corners and stuff. The fast and the Brian, Tokyo drift out there. That's right. So we get out there and, you know, obviously these guys are lapping us. I mean, we are basically chum in the water for them to, like, zip around. We're additional obstacles that have been placed there to give them more of a challenge.
Starting point is 00:15:59 I'm kind of chuckling about it. Tina, it is stressing the crap out of Tina, having these guys like constantly zipping around her because they'll flat out cut her off. Well, they'd cut me off a couple times too, but they'll just like, no, I need to be on the far right side going into this turn or I'm not going to maintain my 39 second lap. So they'll like, and cut right around Tina. And I swear to God that she gave the Luigi stare like more than. once as these guys were passing by her. For those unfamiliar with the Luigi Stare, go Google it. It's amazing. It's an amazing thing. That's great. So that would stress me out too, I feel like. I feel like I would be just a little bit having. It's so funny because I can see you going.
Starting point is 00:16:48 And I can see Tina being more like me going. God damn it. What the hell's going on here? The way I look at it's like, you know what? They pay the same amount as us. They're entitled to, you know, they shouldn't have to say, okay, you know, this amount that we paid to do this lap, let's, we'll just, we'll just, uh, kid gloves it because we've got some newbies on the track. That said, yeah, for more more of this, I actually blame on the, the cart company or the,
Starting point is 00:17:14 the venue, because what they should do is say, hey, what's your skill level? How, how much do you do this? And if they find somebody who says, oh, this will be our first time, then put a little asterisk in our, in our, you know, reservation. Sure. And pair us up with other people who've never. done it before who are a brand new don't put us don't put the the uh greens in with the black diamonds yeah you're basically describing like first person shooters don't put the newbies in with the guys who are trying hard all the tryhards should have their own you should figure out a way to
Starting point is 00:17:45 put them where they're supposed to be yeah i guess that's hard to know though right how do you know i guess if you see somebody bring their own helmet it's a sign yeah i mean you just ask you know basically when you're sent when you're calling to make the reservations say all right but uh have you done this before, first time? Oh, no, I'm a regular here. I've even got my own named helmet. Okay, like, Marri, put this guy here. What's the, what's the MoBA term? We need to know it there. MR. What is it? Ah, there's a thing. There's a term. E-Peen. No, it's not E-Peen. It's, uh, your E-Peen is what you show after you've won, but it's, uh, what am I thinking of here. Oh, M-M-M-R is what Becca smiles. M-M-M-R, that's like a, that's basically
Starting point is 00:18:25 code for, I forget what it actually stands for, but it's basically, the computer's determining what your skill level is based on your play that you previously had. Problem isn't with humans, you can't. I mean, you don't know who's in there. Yeah, yeah. So is it cart with a K or C? That's the big question. How do these?
Starting point is 00:18:41 Cart with a K, I believe. Oh, okay. They're going full Mario Kart there, are they? I guess they probably all do that. Yeah, I think Go Kart was always with a, well, I know, Go Kart I've seen both ways, right? I've seen it mostly with a K though when I think about it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Did it have like, so were these, were these, sorry, gas powered or battery? They were gas powered and you you find out pretty quickly why you wish they had the suits when you wrap up for the day and you come out of that thing smelling like you just mowed the lawn with a fully exposed John Deere writing mower. I hate that smell. You smell like you've been rolling around on the ground at the Conoco basically. Yeah, I don't like that. By the way, that's a funnier joke because it's a Conoco. Then I it would have been any other any other gas station brand and i don't even know why why is conoco funnier that's funnier shell not as funny no no any of them you could have said ex on i would
Starting point is 00:19:38 have gone oh yeah but conico is a great right poll i love that conico yeah so well i'm glad uh that sounds like fun like i would it was a lot of fun i would do this again in a heartbeat with the one requirement that it's either with tadpoolers or with family members or friends I never you know it's like if I ever go there again it's just not because you know I like I feel like I've got more of a chance to beat him I don't care I don't care if I beat my lap or do a faster lap I really just want to like you know get good at
Starting point is 00:20:12 making the turns and drifting just the right amount and then going and stuff like that but it's more like just having a bunch of people that you know that are like oh man Scott just zipped right by me or oh coming up on ice warm gonna overtake him Oh my gosh, I just remember would be a ride on one of those things. It would be a right. We saw him this weekend.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Oh, you did. How's he doing? Denver Comic-Con, what it's called Fan Expo now, or FanEx for short, was this last weekend. He's great. He was working the Wizard's Chest booth. He works at Wizard's Chest, which is best store, I think, in Denver to get games, cosplay, costume stuff, magic tricks. I mean, that place is a.
Starting point is 00:20:57 it sounds awesome it is awesome and it's all done like it's all all like you know done up inside to look like you're inside a tavern kind of thing that place is so so good so ice form listens to the show and i just wanted to say uh you and i both have him doing things on the side for us like background things that nobody ever sees or hears about no but that dude is one of the most like reliable on point constantly consistently consistently good at doing that stuff and there's There's no way he gets enough credit for this. So shout out to ice for him. That dude's awesome.
Starting point is 00:21:32 We think he's great. He absolutely is. So it was so great to see him. We weren't expecting to see him there, and so it was great to see him. Also saw Dean Swedberg, member of the Denver Tadpool there as well. Nice. It was great to see him. We actually got tickets free because one of Tina's coworkers, her daughter does the marketing
Starting point is 00:21:48 for Fanax, got this job in March and has been doing all the marketing for this. She's like her mother. like Tina's co-worker, zero experience or idea, not an experience, zero idea what any of this stuff is. Doesn't know comics, doesn't know anime or sci-fi movies or hobbits or anything like that. And it's actually really good, we found out, because she, you know, she gets, she's hanging out in the break room with all these celebrities who are there for signings. And she's like, oh, yeah, how are those nachos?
Starting point is 00:22:26 Oh, yeah, they look really good. Okay, can I get you anything else? Do you want a Coke or a glass of water? No, you're good. Okay, fine. Then she gets up and leaves and somebody says, do you know who that was that you were just sitting there talking to? She's like, no, he says, that's Jim Lee, comic artist, Jim Lee.
Starting point is 00:22:39 Jim Lee. Hang it out with. Four Hobbits were there, including, you know, Dammecimanhan. Oh, good. Those guys, I mean, they're not doing anything else, right? They're just chilling these days. No, and freaking Elijah Wood still looks like he's 20. I don't know how that, I don't know what.
Starting point is 00:22:56 what he's done but he freaks me out that guy's got to be i mean he's 40 or close to it probably yeah yeah exactly got to be i think uh let me ask you this when you uh you were there with those people um and uh wait who was the first person you said that you saw and they were like oh that's you know who that is don't you who did you say well oh jim lee not only is that comic book artist and writer and creator jim lee that's dc chief editor uh jim lee oh Oh, right. See, I even forgot about that. I think, basically, I think Jim Lee, I think image comics, but I also think of that amazing X-Men, non-uncanny X-Men number one giant five-cover thing that he did.
Starting point is 00:23:40 So good. It's so damn good. So good. Also, if anyone out there, so he's, you know, does a lot of D.C. stuff now, but just going back through his catalog, Jim Lee is one of the greats, man. The day he goes is going to be a rough one because, and he's still kind of a young guy. It's not like he's in trouble or anything. But he is so good.
Starting point is 00:23:59 And if you've never read Batman Hush, you're missing out. It's one of the greatest. And I got the big, fat, hardcovered thing. It's one of the greatest things, man. Oh, my gosh. It's so good. Well, that's cool. Dice Tomato, yeah, Wildcats, yes, was Jim Lee.
Starting point is 00:24:14 But Gen 13 was... Scott. Who's the guy is just really good at drawing... Oh, his women. Incredibly attractive women. Scott. Shoot. Scott something. Yep, it is. I know it is, but I can't think of his name. Last name. Oh, Jay Scott Campbell. Jay Scott Campbell, that's it. He has an initial. I forgot. He puts before the Scott. Yeah, Jay Scott Campbell did Gen 13, but they were, I'm pretty sure Jim Lee has done a cover or two and maybe even an issue or two. He definitely has. And dice to me. It confirms that that he did some covers for that. I still have a ton of Wildcats, Gen 13.
Starting point is 00:24:55 I loved Wildcats. Can you make a Wildcats movie? Why not make a Wildcats movie? Oh, no kidding. Yeah. We need an image cinematic universe, an ICU. Oh, that doesn't quite work. The ICU.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Oh, yeah, no, we can't have the ICU. That's right. Hey, what's Samuel Jackson? Oh, he's in the ICU now. Yeah, he's in the ICU. Have you guys heard about that? Sam Jackson has jumped ship and is now in the ICU. Oh, oh, no.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Is there anything we can do? well yeah go watch the movie it's a good movie yeah but he's in the i see you yeah hey what's matthew mildine doing these days oh he's in the i see you i know it feels bad before they get excited exactly that's amazing all right i had a i had a thing about july fourth that i'll probably well i need to share it but i probably won't forget it there was uh so we so what we do because we live in this weird place where the actual community we live in called daybreak uh fireworks are not ever. And so what happens is the surrounding areas around daybreak, like parts of South Jordan and Harriman, and on the other side, I guess that would be, I don't know what that is over there.
Starting point is 00:26:05 But anyway, all these other places, they can do fireworks, unless there's some broader state law that says, hey, too dry this year, don't do fireworks at all. But they can. So what we do, all of daybreak basically does this. Some people cheat and do it anyway, and nobody really enforces it. But there, if you walk down just, just a block from where I, where my house is, there's a big giant park kind of down below and then the valley continues on. And you can see basically mountain to mountain the entirety of the south end of the valley before the point of the mountain. So it's really a cool view and it's this amazing thing.
Starting point is 00:26:41 And during the fourth and 24th, because it's stupid like that with our Pioneer Day. Utah Day or Pioneer Day. That's right. And we do it again. So all those fireworks just keep happening. But anyway, Kim and I usually, to avoid crowds and crap, I don't want to go to a big one, like a concert one or any of that crap. I don't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:26:57 So instead we go out there, we pull up some, we get our chairs that we take from home, some snacks, a couple of drinks, whatever. Go up there and we sit on the ridge there, and then we can see everything. And we just wait for the sun to go down. It's always nice, always a nice chill, just sit and talk and chill out. And there's other people, but they're all kind of scattered around. They're not, nope, it's not a crowd. and then the whole valley when they start popping off is just
Starting point is 00:27:21 boom boom boom boom boom you see them everywhere including the big ones are just in the distance or whatever so you're getting to see the big ones some people are just doing a lot or whatever and I always have this game where I try to estimate how much money they're spending that probably cost them a pretty penny oh that one's definitely your price you yeah because some of mine go that's 20 bucks that's 20 bucks that's 20 bucks that one's probably cheap that's probably a $45 box they got at Costco
Starting point is 00:27:47 but still so try to add it up we usually end up it around now that was about 300 grand worth of fireworks in the general area you know or whatever it's it's probably annoying that I do this but I do it anyway so we're sitting there and up behind us is one of these new town homes which weren't there last year or I guess two years ago and up on the top balcony they have this awesome view of everything and I hear these people up there talking and I thought what I would hear was like oh wow look at that one oh bring me more whatever. Bring me more pigs in a blanket. Or whatever they're doing. Is that what they're having up there? Fins in a blanket?
Starting point is 00:28:23 I don't know. Actually, I have no idea what they're eating. But here's what I hear. I hear this guy go, I'm never trusting my brother-in-law again. And I picked up. And I went, oh, what's this? I kind of... Yeah, that's the story I want to hear. Yeah. I turn this way a little bit. And it's before the big noisy winds have gone. So I can kind of still hear them. It's, you know, what they're saying is carrying to where I am. And the wind's actually blowing that direction a little bit. So I listened a bit more. What it was, was this guy's brother-in-law convinced this dude to buy up a bunch of
Starting point is 00:28:54 NFT crypto stuff. I was expecting this to be a crypto or an FD thing. Oh, my God, that's awesome. And he says to the lady, he lost $420,000 in these NFT. And he can't unload anything. Like, he can't get rid of anything. He's, like, super stuck with it. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:29:15 And it's like, it reminded me that. There's a story floating around about the guy who bought Jack Conti's, or not get Conti, Jack Dorsey's first tweet. Let's throw some shade of Patreon now. So Jack Dorsey's original tweet, the founder of Twitter, his original tweet went for $2.9 million as an NFT. Oh, right. Yes. Yeah. And that guy's projected to lose $2.9 million on a thing. So he's going to lose 100% of its value. Anyway, so that's what they're talking about up there.
Starting point is 00:29:44 And he's like, yeah, well, I lost $420,000. dollars and I was I almost went 420 Blaze up or something But I didn't And all I could think of Yeah And he was just that's all that guy wanted to talk about The rest of them up there
Starting point is 00:30:01 There's one guy was going yeah So I'm hoping the Raiders this year This and that you know talking sports And this other guy goes And damn it's like it's not like you know It's not like real money where I can just go get the money out of the bank I have to brubber brub he just complained the whole time And all I could think of was like A
Starting point is 00:30:16 your brother-in-law sucks. B, yeah, you could have maybe not done that. Yeah. Maybe you could have not. Maybe this speculation on very ridiculously hard to track and figure out what the up and down's going to be every day. Maybe you could have held back a little and not spent $420,000. Listen, it could have just as easily been, you know, oh yeah, he told me to put all my money
Starting point is 00:30:39 into Chevron and now I'm down, you know, $420,000. I mean, you know, we have a. We have a special place in our hearts for cryptocurrency and NFTs because it's, you know. Yeah, but it's also a much more, it's a safer bet to say, to bet on Exxon that it would ever be for this. Like, I wonder if these, these JPEGs I can right click and save for myself are going to do well. Like, I feel like they had, he had, you know what, like if you go, what would they call that? Not volatile stocks. Whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Like there's a difference between investing, let's say, $1,000 in IBM. where you're looking at it's consistent but then you're going to market like 900 800 or something like that and it'll go back up yeah it's like but whereas crypto goes up and down every five seconds yeah like just constant and right now just totally bottomed out it is hooping the bed so I would have done okay if I had 10 grand just laying around okay yeah invest some that's fine sure do what you got to do have a have a bitcoin yeah yeah but see if I lost $420,000 yeah I'd be talking about it too.
Starting point is 00:31:47 Poor guy. Yeah. And he didn't sound like a guy that was, uh, he didn't sound like somebody who had the 420 to spare based on the, based on the complaining I was hearing. That's the problem is it was like he probably had some good savings going. His brother-in-law convinced him this was the get,
Starting point is 00:32:03 this is how to double it quickly or something. You'll walk away with a million. I'm sure he told him. And anyway, it's a pyramid scheme and they're all getting screwed. I do like watching, uh, you know, I,
Starting point is 00:32:13 early, not early on. But a while back, I bought $100 worth of Bitcoin just to see. And so any time we bring it up on the show, I'm like, oh, well, let's pull up. Let me just take a look and see where I'm at. It's like, oh, yeah, $100 now worth $45. So, great. Yeah, pretty good.
Starting point is 00:32:31 At least it's only $100, though, you know? Yeah, it's not $420,000. That felt like a, that's money I'd put on a craps table. There you go. You know, it's basically, that's the way I look at it. It's like, that money is spent the second I set it in front of the, the croupier to turn into chips. If I walk away with
Starting point is 00:32:49 anything, icing on the key. And you've got this weird little piece of history thing. Like, I wish I owned a tiny bit like that. I do. Even if it goes negative, I don't care. Like, I just kind of want to have it and say... I don't want to go negative because then don't I owe somebody more money?
Starting point is 00:33:05 Oh, good point. Yeah, yeah. I guess you'll never owe anybody, but... They'll never drop below zero, I hope. Yeah, let's say it hits zero. That's fine. As long as I have this thing or I can say, Yeah, I got one of those. I just have one, you know. But I'm not going to, I'm not going to bet my damn future on it.
Starting point is 00:33:20 I got, you know, people in my life are scrambling now because they got so hosed at this crash. Guess what, son? You're going to college, hopefully, in a few years, and it'll all be crypto. What? Yeah. Yeah. No kidding. The worst part is this.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Like, they came to it with real money and said, you know, here's my 50 grand of real money. Let's convert it to Ethereum. and then did their thing. And now now it's just literally, if you're going to go pull it back out, what are you pulling it out? Like, what are you, you're just going to pull out half or less of the money? It just seems like a bummer. Yeah, no, at this point, I'm, I'm letting it ride. You know, it's like, all right, it's, it's half gone.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Let's just, let's just see where it goes. Yeah. And maybe one day, Brian. If I see it go back up to $100, if it even goes up to $150, I'll be like, you know what? I'll pull it out. Yeah. But, why not? Either that or, you know,
Starting point is 00:34:15 $100 is worth it to have a weird experiment that goes on for years, you know? Just a thing to try. And then maybe one day if it suddenly goes bananas and you're suddenly worth, you know, half a million dollars from your $100 investment. Great. Pull it out. Right. Yeah. But I wouldn't bet on it.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Nope. Nope. All right. There's all that. Good stuff. Good, good conversation this morning. Mm-hmm. Now this.
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Starting point is 00:36:08 Hey, a giant concrete eating snail, a bunch of snail. a bunch of snails have triggered a Florida quarantine. It's too bad an actual pandemic couldn't do that in Florida but uh... kidding. These freaking snails will do it. I'll bet they're fine putting masks on these snails. Oh yeah. They got no problem with that.
Starting point is 00:36:27 They'll probably even take those snails guns away. It says here, sounds like a horror movie. Night of the Giant Snails. Stucco snacking, disease-carrying mollusks invade Florida in 3D, but it's real. Florida issued a quarantine order. after the June 23rd confirmation that the giant African land snail
Starting point is 00:36:45 known as the gals or GALS shows up in Pascoe County. Snails in general seem like slow, relatively harmless plant snacking animals, but these are on another level. I've never seen these before. Look at the size of this thing. I haven't either. It's huge. I like the one in that guy's gloved hand. If it can eat through concrete, dude, it can eat through that little thin
Starting point is 00:37:05 sheet of latex glove that you're wearing. Yeah, and it doesn't... Oh, look at that. Oh, gosh, dude. Do we, oh, geez, the next picture. Wow. Do we need to do the abbreviation gals? That feels like, it feels like gals. I know.
Starting point is 00:37:21 Florida has been invaded by a bunch of gals, see? Exactly, yes. Yeah, I agree. Just salt them. Just salt the earth. Nice, yes. That's all we need, right? Just helicopters dumping massive amounts of salt everywhere in...
Starting point is 00:37:36 Isn't that work? It works on snails, right? They don't like it, as far as I know. Do they, is there any connection between this? and that high-rise that collapsed down there? Like, was it... Oh. Should this have had anything to do with it?
Starting point is 00:37:47 I don't know. That's an interesting... I don't know if they ever... I mean, I think the results of that investigation were like old, you know, shot of workmanship or something. Yeah. It was just a really old crappy building. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:58 But imagine these inside your walls eating your stucco and your freaking whatever else they eat. No, thanks. No, thank you. Yeah, that's nasty, dude. Mayor Watts says, nope, not the Florida collapsed last year. Oh, well, then citation. needed uh whoever that is uh anyway these things can reach more than seven inches for those around the world that's 18 centimeters and all the places that are smart to adopt the metric system the metric system yeah uh these
Starting point is 00:38:28 are that's the length full length of these things they lay thousands of eggs during its lifespan and can travel by clinging to vehicles and trash well how does trash move i guess trash. No, let them eat the trash. It's totally fun. Yeah, yeah. It says they can also carry salmonella. They also have a parasite called rat lung worm. I don't like any of those words altogether. Yep.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Causes meningitis and humans. That's a rough eye pat a friend with meningitis. You do not want that ever. No. It's basically a infection under your skin and you can get cranial like in the brain infections which you can't get to. It's really rough. The Florida Department of Agriculture
Starting point is 00:39:07 Consumer Services or F, Dax. Caution people must wear gloves and follow proper protection and sanitation rules when handling the mollusks. Don't eat these is one thing you don't want to do. Yeah, please don't. Yes, that's very bad. You don't come home from a long day of work and go,
Starting point is 00:39:23 Oh. Escargo! Where's, my plate was just here a moment ago? Where's my plate? I mean, the animal is still here, but what is the plate go? We go a stereotype. as possible here. Yes, we do.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Yes. The quarantine for part of the county calls for nurses, or sorry, nurseries, solid waste facilities, trash haulers and landscapers to abide by certain conditions, including reporting snail detections, applying pesticides, and allowing inspection of equipment. Their precautions are designed to prevent the spread of the snails. Again, doing more against these snails than they did against COVID-19, which actually proves my point about if COVID-19 was more visible, we'd have a very different
Starting point is 00:40:07 discussion in this country about it. Like if you look like monkey pox or it had some kind of outward expression, you wouldn't have people going to fake or it's that they wouldn't happen.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Yeah, they would just go, oh shit. Yes. I don't want to be orange. Yeah. I don't want to be I don't want my skin to turn pink. Oh my gosh. Let's yeah, let's not catch COVID. I hate to say this. I just wish it had a physical component.
Starting point is 00:40:37 That healed up and went away. I don't want you permanently scarred. Yeah, but something, right. We want to see the star-bellied sneaches. We want to actually see the stars on their bellies so that we can isolate them. That's right. If you're going to, look, if you're going to, what's the secret invasion? What are they called?
Starting point is 00:40:51 Scrolls. Scrolls. If there's a scroll there, I'd like to know. Yeah, exactly. All right. Okay. Here's a nasty one. 13 decomposing bodies founded in Indiana funeral home.
Starting point is 00:41:07 Now you might say to yourself, well, wait, the funeral home, isn't that full of bodies? Isn't that where decomposing bodies are supposed to be? Well, they're not supposed to decompose. They're supposed to be treated and then, you know, buried or otherwise burned or disposed of, but that's not what happened here. The decomposing bodies of 31 people, along with the cremated remains of 16, were discovered by officers during an inspection of a funeral home in Indiana. The inspection of Lake Ford Funeral Home and Family Center came following a tip from the condition of the business. said one of the police officers at the department there, says the bodies were said to be in various stages of decomposition
Starting point is 00:41:43 and not clear if police suspect there was any wrongdoing and no arrests have been made. It may just be a really poorly run. We just have a really bad backlog. We're trying to get these bodies through the incinerator. Sorry. It sounds like a lot of them are, I mean, families would definitely be aware that there's a problem.
Starting point is 00:42:02 So this sounds like maybe people that don't have a direct connection to anybody Or they were just homeless? If you're trying to schedule a funeral and it's like, oh, yeah, no, we still have your still have your uncle's body here. Sorry, it's going to be a while. Yeah. And also, them being in different stages of decomposition, they should have been, if they're going to embalm them, they would have done that or they'd be on ice.
Starting point is 00:42:23 There's like a bunch of things you would do. You wouldn't just leave them laying around and have them blow it out and be gross. No, I know. Oh, the place must smell like hell. Oh, can you imagine? Oh, my gosh, dude. Oh. Let's see, they had some people, oh, no one answered the phone, the funeral home,
Starting point is 00:42:40 some recorded messages. Okay, so they, it sounds like something's up. I have a question about the name. Langford, funeral home, and family center. And family center. And family center. Like, you know, come say goodbye to your loved ones and have a birthday party in the next room. Yeah, is that what that is?
Starting point is 00:43:04 I wonder if that is what it is. Like, they've got a little, like, convention space or something. I don't know. Seems really weird. Play our ski ball and enjoy our collection of arcade games. That's right. We have a television with the latest Pixar films running 24-7. Also, dead bodies everywhere.
Starting point is 00:43:23 Exactly. That's really odd. I don't know what that is. Family Center. Because when I think Family Center, that's what I think of is, like, oh, we're going on vacation. We're going to go to the Family Center, and the kids are going to swim, and we're going to... Yeah, there's. There's a water slides and stuff like that, family center, some arcade machines or some, you know, paintball or whatever.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Jeannie. Sounds like a movie for next Halloween. Yeah, it does kind of. It does. I don't like the sound of any of this. I watched a horror movie. Say 10% when you bury the whole family. I watched a horror movie over the weekend that I'm terrified to recommend.
Starting point is 00:43:55 I don't think I will recommend it. Really? Terrified like it scared you or you're... I don't think anyone will... I don't think... How do I put this? It's an Australian film. that I watched on Shutter
Starting point is 00:44:06 because I got Shudder for the month because I wanted to watch Mad God so yeah I just I thought well I'll watch other stuff on there there's this Australian thing and I forgot the name of it movie or yeah you said it's a movie right it is a movie yeah it's like an hour and a half
Starting point is 00:44:22 or mid little hour and 45 minute Australian thing and it's really disturbing and I forgot the name lions or wolves I forget it's basically a couple that lures people into their basement and traps them there and tortures them before they
Starting point is 00:44:38 kill them and then they go bury him. And it's the kind of horror me of my wife would hate because she like if you say hey we're going to watch this Freddie versus Jason thing or whatever she's like whatever there's supernatural bullshit going on. But when it's like actual like potentially your neighbors
Starting point is 00:44:54 kind of thing. Yeah. When you can when someone's kidnapped held against their will tortured horribly you know these sorts of things you can't do. I can't I mean I normally don't like him either but it was This is a movie that came out a couple of years ago that I heard was really good, but it was a family that was, there's basically a home invasion where they took the family hostage in their own home. Oh, right. What was that?
Starting point is 00:45:18 Some big name actors in there, and it, you know, it got a lot of good reviews. And for whatever reason, it's like, I don't know if I can watch that. That stuff does freak me out. What is called? It's called. Somebody in the chat room. Not hostage house. That's not that, right?
Starting point is 00:45:34 No, no. Not inside. That's something else. Less, like a, uh, strangers. Was that it? Was it strangers? Or the strangers? That's nobody I know in terms of,
Starting point is 00:45:47 Liv Tyler, Scott Speedman. I don't remember. That might be. Kidnap, Tiles on the left. Single white female, that's definitely not it. No, I don't think that's it. Yeah, I don't know. Liv Tyler was not the most well-known name in that thing.
Starting point is 00:46:02 The owners? When a stranger calls it? no I don't know what the I know what you're talking about 100% like there's something with big name actors that was really well regarded but just seemed like a harrowing nightmare yeah exactly and I couldn't watch it either for the same reason anyway not panic room see even panic room's not in this cat Kim could watch panic room yeah right it's something I don't know what it is when they get but there's something about kind of bumbling you know you know that The people in the panic room thing, the intruders, the burglars are kind of kind of be bumbling, you know, almost home alone level doofuses. I spend most of calculating, no, we've planned on taking the people into this house hostage and. Yeah, and it's always like, like even like the, not dances of wolves, whisper with sheep. What's that called? Sheep.
Starting point is 00:47:01 I don't know. Oh, silence of the land. At least that also has a feeling of like, of almost like otherworldliness to it, even though it's not. It's hard for me to explain why some get me and some don't, but whisper of the sheep. That's not. Whispers of the sheep. Yeah. Was it, uh, and I think they had masks on and on the movie poster, darn it.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Yeah, it's going to drive me nuts. For some reason, I was thinking Tony Colette was in. it but I'm not I don't I think I might be confusing it around the same time was hereditary oh hereditary so it was about 2018 when that thing came out that game that movie's still in my head freaking hereditary messed me up that night that was a hell of it that's a that is one I will recommend if you like horror movies because it actually scared me yeah gosh dang it scared me plus it was filmed in park city which I think about every time I go up there now it's like oh shit this is where that was made um speaking speaking of which you know what I got really into and it's
Starting point is 00:48:03 partly your fault, and for years you've been telling me this, so of other people, you're not the only one, but finally jumped in and started watching a ton of the Orville. And here's my take. The Orville is fantastic. To the point that, I can't believe how long this took me. I'm irritated at myself. I'm going to feel this way about Loki.
Starting point is 00:48:25 Everyone shut up. But the point is, and a parasite, and this. It's so good. it's so like I don't even I don't know how to say this it's such a love letter to next generation and I don't just mean like yeah it's got its comedy bits and it's got some other stuff but but they they have a handle on the whole let's use science fiction to explore hard to discuss topics yeah like let's make I forgot his name but the the the Cleon like dude who's always gruff boredus boardus and his and his husband right because that they're an all-male society
Starting point is 00:49:02 They have no females. I don't want to spoil anything because this was all awesome to learn as I went. But then they have this episode where the baby they have, which is in the history of that world and those people have always been male because they're a male-only society. They have a girl and they got to figure out what to do about it. And then they find out they're not the first ones. Like it's these issues of today, but through the land,
Starting point is 00:49:27 like Star Trek's always been. Yeah. And this is better than they do it. Like, I mean, you could argue TOS and TNG did a great job, and they did, of dealing with these things, and DS9 to some degree, and even Voyager. But these guys, oh, it's so good. It's so good. I absolutely freaking love it, Brian. Yeah, it's so good.
Starting point is 00:49:51 It basically does all the things that we wanted Star Trek Discovery and Picard to do, but doesn't do. It gives us that, like, oh, this feels like the next generation. It's got that, that, you know. They're over there trying to be Star Wars whilst these guys are like, no, we're going to try to be Star Trek, even though we're not allowed to be. We'll call it the Orville and we'll just be Star Trek. Like, they're not afraid to be the thing that we all love and that for whatever reason, Paramount. Plus, although it sounds like Strange New Worlds is bucking that trend, but, and I haven't seen any yet, but they just are afraid to do it. like they're well no today's sensibilities and the way we film things it's not going to work today
Starting point is 00:50:33 no it does it freaking does and not only does it work it works in spades and also you don't have to sacrifice effects you don't have to sacrifice humor you can actually laugh a little bit it's it is freaking great yeah so if you were like me and you've been holding off sleeping on freaking getting getting orville going don't do that anymore watch the orville it's all on hulu there's new episodes coming out now yeah this new season and i hope they never freaking stop. Yeah. Especially, and if you're like,
Starting point is 00:51:02 I'm not a big, I've not a big family guy fan. I'm not a big fan of that, you know, Seth McFarland's humor. Don't worry. It's such a small part of the Orville. Don't hold if you're not a family guy fan. Don't hold a family guy against. No, if anything, it may improve your
Starting point is 00:51:17 opinion of your opinion of Seth McFarland, just go, man, this dude's got range. He also clearly has like an unending supply of love for the source material and it shows in every episode and I don't just mean hard social issues like you know Kirk Kiss and uh uh youura back in the day was a big deal for interracial uh couples and stuff in the 60s there's a huge deal then we don't think about it so much now but it was a huge
Starting point is 00:51:43 things that happened on TNG with you know or even DS9 with uh or um what's her name where she had the the symbiote in her and he uh and he was a what she would that that character was Oh, yeah, Dax. Dax, that's right. And Jadzia Dax is now got Kerson Dax as her thing. And that thing used to be a dude. And so there's like, you know, they dealt with gender issues there. So, yeah, you can have those kinds of social issues.
Starting point is 00:52:13 But also Star Trek does science issues. Like, there's this episode of the Orville. I loved it where they go to the home planet of what's her name. I can't remember anyone's name. But they go to What's Her Name's Home Planet where everyone, Picardo's her dad, Robert Picardo. Oh, yeah. That's the other thing. You get a bunch of Star Trek people on this thing.
Starting point is 00:52:28 You need a lot of cameos. But you go to their planet and they're all stronger than anyone else because it's 10 times the gravity of Earth or something. And so when Captain Mercer, played by Seth MacFarland, needs to walk over there. He's got this special suit on that makes it so he can exist in the gravitational pole. By gravity. And not be mushed. But then the suit breaks down because he gets shot by the doctor from Enterprise. And he ends up on the ground.
Starting point is 00:52:56 ground with a timer that basically when the timer ends out he's just going to crush his bones are going to crush it's going to be awful and I just love them playing with those kinds of hypotheticals playing with societal hypotheticals it's great it's great watch it I mean it all right that's it for news we're going to take a break when we come back we're going to be joined by bobby frankenberger bills still on his vacation so as a result he will not be here when he gets home when he gets home he'll be making something we know that oh he'll There'll be lots of making going on. You'll never see so much making, but today it's science.
Starting point is 00:53:31 So stick around for that. Before that, though, Brian, can you play a song for us all? Yeah. How about Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania? I don't think we've gone there for music before. No. An alt-rock duo called Observe the 93rd. They have a brand new album called An Eariness to Everything.
Starting point is 00:53:47 These guys are really, really good. And I don't know who I'd compare them to, but they've got kind of a supergrass, I think was who I initially wrote down. Maybe a little bit of panic at the disco, Brandon Ury and stuff like that. Anyway, hey, why wait anymore? Listen to it yourself. Here is the brand new single
Starting point is 00:54:10 from an eerieness to everything from Observe the 93rd. It's called dopamine. I was a fiend for dopamine. But sometimes what you're real. need always to take on when you
Starting point is 00:54:32 tried to escape we evolved by our living of pain I was the fiend for dopamine oh My self-esteem collapsed effect on its knees The lonely a.m. greets a glow of a scream
Starting point is 00:55:07 I fantasize for a temporary high It's not enough I make a post and get a hit from each like But I'm still lost and I'm spiraling down Slither up there so I can forget the sound of my quiet agony I was a fiend for dopamine but sometimes what you really need is to The unaddressed can turn a mind obsessed
Starting point is 00:56:02 A night won't dress won't tear the pain from within And the shallow caress Of strangers' flesh is overwhelming and it's emptiness All the subtle ways we try to distract But it won't bring the past back A reason of what has passed Isn't that what this is all about We watch our old lives fall away
Starting point is 00:56:26 and then we desperately reach out. I was a feat for dopamine but sometimes what you really need. Take on what you tried to escape We evolved by your living of pain I was a fiend for dopamine I was a fiend for dopamine I was a fiend for dopamine
Starting point is 00:57:16 I was a fiend for dopamine Will the owner of a white Pontiac firebird, oh never mind, zero! You fight for Sparta! sit down and listen punk this is the morning stream all right we're back everybody uh i want to write down who that band was so tell me one more time sure that band is called observe the 93rd brand new album called an eeriness to everything that song is dopamine that's awesome and lately they opened they just opened for lit um on tour so i don't know who lit is should i know lit lit uh
Starting point is 00:58:25 I could swallow my line I can none of the thine Oh Leave me empty in style No that's not lit That's somebody else My own worst enemy That's it
Starting point is 00:58:38 It's no surprise to me I am my own worst enemy That's it Yeah Eve six Eve six was the one I was just singing Yeah that's right Okay
Starting point is 00:58:46 Well you do what you can do Listen they kind of come up In my shuffle like One right after the other Because they're kind of similar You're doing a genre play. You're going to get them all. That's right. Thanks. Thanks for the myriad of corrections in the tadpool between Eve's Sakes and Lit. Thank you. Well done, everybody.
Starting point is 00:59:06 Science. Look who it is. It's Bobby Frankenberger, joining us all the way from South Carolina to talk about some science today. Hello, host of All Around Science, Bobby Frankenberger. How are you? I'm doing well, host of the morning stream, Core, and many other podcasts. No problem. Hey, did you notice? Bobby reached out to me once and said, on Core. could you please repeat the name of the game you're playing more often? Have you noticed I've tried to do that more? I don't know if you've noticed that
Starting point is 00:59:29 yeah and it's helpful I appreciate that who says I don't listen to one listener so for anybody listening just know if you have a very specific request all you have to do is email Scott and he will absolutely make whatever change you want yeah no matter what it is
Starting point is 00:59:47 if you say to me I want Brian to speak in his falsetto voice for the rest of the show's history it's happened. I'll do it I'll have to do it. Scott will make me do it. Yeah, there's just no getting around it. But, no, I really did take that to heart because I actually think that's a thing I wish more shows I listened to did. And not just with games, but like movies and TV or whatever. Like, I want to, if they're going to make recommendations, I want to remember the damn thing.
Starting point is 01:00:11 Yeah, well, core is so long the show is that I have it on in the background throughout the day doing different things whenever it comes out. So sometimes I'm half listening, and then I'm, I catch in the middle of you talking about a game. And I'm like, wow, that really does sound good. And then we don't say what it is again. Yeah. That's a problem with a long form show like that. I mean, for the record, the show's not a day long. It's usually about two hours, two hours 15, something like that.
Starting point is 01:00:41 Yeah. And Bobby's right. So let this be a lesson everybody out there. Try to, if you're going to make recommendations, whatever the format is, whatever the thing is, say at the top, say it. the top say it again at the end at the least okay yep all right hey bobby it's good to have you here um the world of science never stops moving no matter what we do to it so what's going on today that you think would be of interest to our listeners well there's a lot of things going on but you mentioned last week something about uh all the how there's a bunch of different omicron
Starting point is 01:01:12 variants of covid 19 yeah yeah one with like neuro something something eat your brain it's just All of the variants that are out there have there's so many now. I thought, why not do a quick roundup of what they are and what the differences are? Like what the different flavors of Omicron are right now and what you should know about them, you know? Yeah. So let's talk about it. Like should people immediately go, ooh, freaking not only is it easy to catch now even if you're vax, but now it goes after my brain cells. probably so the short answer to that is probably not and it has to do with why it's they and how they
Starting point is 01:01:57 name variants and what counts as a subvariant and all that kind of stuff so um the fact that they're all omicron means that they're all kind of this similar to each other okay um so when you go you know before omacron was delta and when it when they when they named so delta you know beta gamma over omacron all of these different variants they were they were variants of COVID-19 so they're all the same virus but they're they're quite different genetically from each other and so that's why they have these different names but the difference between delta and like it was quite different from Delta so they renamed it a completely different variant omacron but within those variants you can have uh still genetic differences that
Starting point is 01:02:52 that make them different enough from each other that you might want to point that out and so that's what a sub variant is and that's where you have like these b a dot one b a dot two and so on now they're up to to dot five with homicron do you think this stuff the way the way science has to categorize and name and stuff do you think it confuses the less red parts of our communities you know what i'm saying like do they this isn't how do i put this i'm not trying to be rude but there are people who hear this sort of thing and just go ah science what do they know all i know is my dog loves me or whatever like you know what i mean like it feels like it's complicated that was took a left i don't know what i don't think of another
Starting point is 01:03:38 thing to do without offending somebody but you know what i mean um well you you Yeah. So I think there are definitely people who are exhausted by the fact that things are always changing. I mean, that's the nature of science. We're constantly updating our knowledge and having to. And when you update what you know with new information, sometimes you have to change your opinion about things or you have to, you have to, I don't like to say your opinion about things. You have to update what is what is true. true in your mind, right? And that can be frustrating to people because sometimes it's very difficult in the first place to take effort to learn something. It is difficult. You have to read and do research and understand it. That can be really difficult by itself, just understanding something. And when you finally do that and you turn around and a day later it changes, that can be frustrating, right? Yeah. And exhausting. So I sympathize with that. But, but, and, and, and, and, it doesn't make it easier when everyone and especially the news are so laser focused on
Starting point is 01:04:50 everything that's going on with COVID, something that is like an existential threat we're being told, which is, you know, it was true at least at some time, at some point. It was very threatening and so it's like, oh my God, this is a big deal. I need to pay attention to it. There's so much information coming at me with every little change and that can be really exhausting and I don't blame anybody. And I do sometimes think maybe we shouldn't have a headline about every sub-variant of COVID that comes out, right? Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:05:24 That we discover, because as I'll get into in a minute, most of these really are not super concerning, not in the way that people might be thinking about. Now, the dot-4 and dot-5 sub-variants of Omicron are a little. little concerning for reasons i'll get to in a second but but not like life-threateningly you know nothing nothing to to just throw up your arms and and just give more more than the base the baseline that is already the danger or the concern or whatever yeah if it doesn't change what we have to do to keep from getting it or or anything like that or procedures we have to take yeah it shouldn't we you know don't let us know about it just that's yeah that's a really good way to think
Starting point is 01:06:11 about it, Brian, is that nothing had, nothing, none of these sub-variants that we're discovering are changing anything about the way you should be behaving. Right, right. Still, be careful. If you're in a public place, especially if you're at higher risk,
Starting point is 01:06:27 wear a mask. If you're outdoors right now, still not a huge deal with a mask, but, you know, if you want to err on the side of caution, wear a mask, everything we already know. I'm not saying anything you don't already know when I say all that. Well, but, um, but what about these variants should we know? Um, a quick history.
Starting point is 01:06:51 The, the, the, the original COVID classic is called, you here referred to as the ancestral strain. Yeah. Have you ever heard that? I have heard that. I was wondered about that term. I haven't. Yeah. Ancestral strain refers to the original COVID when it was discovered back in 2019. And so the ancestral strain was already very concerning because it spread very quickly, right? And it had an R value. I'm going to say R value a couple times here. And just to refresh anybody's memory who might have forgotten or anybody who didn't know, the R value just refers to how quickly it spreads. The ancestral strain had an R value of about 2.8. which means that for every person who got the original COVID,
Starting point is 01:07:45 they could expect, on average, to infect about 2.8 people around. Delta was the first major variant that everyone was really panicky about. There were a couple before that, but Delta was like the big one. That's when we had the first really huge surge in cases. right is when delta delta came around and that had an r value of 5.8 that's what was such a big deal about that it's it it spread so much more easily um that was nearly for every person nearly six other people were likely to get infected by every person who had delta wow but then yeah then when omacron came this is it got even worse because that r value jumped to 8.2
Starting point is 01:08:39 and so these are the big changes that that were happening now there are a lot of other things with omicron omicron umacron uh was there were you might have remembered them talking about how like with omicron they discovered 50 mutations or or more than 50 mutations right in the in the virus and um 26 of them. I think it was 26 were unique to this variant and hadn't been seen before. And a bunch of them, like over 30 of them of the mutations were on the spike protein itself, which is how it attaches itself to cells in your body and all this kind of stuff. And that was what was a big deal about Omicron. And all those things together made it very easy for it to spread or to infect people effectively. And so that's when we started paying attention to Omicron. Very, very quickly
Starting point is 01:09:36 Omicron spread everywhere. It was first identified in November in South Africa. This is November of last year. And by early December, the first case was found in the U.S. And by the end of December, it was by far the majority of cases in the U.S. And I think early January was already and the 90% of... Does that mean the previous variant or the previous flavor went away? Did it die off? Original flavor?
Starting point is 01:10:06 Yeah. Because that's the idea, right? The more dominant thing takes over and everything else kind of says bye, right? Yeah, because if it can't spread, if something else is spreading more quickly than it, then it can't take hold because they're all the same virus,
Starting point is 01:10:24 so they're all trying to fill the same niche in our bodies in the environment so if some other strain comes along and and gets to you first then then the other one isn't going to so it does get pushed out i don't actually know if they do find the ancestral strain anymore out in the wild i think delta is still out there and like but like globally it's in the single digit percentages i think interesting um because that but that is the point right the dominance of a strain is i mean it's the whole that's the whole thing there's like uh the virus is mutates and changes so that it can try to, I don't know, it's easy to assayant a brain to these things, but like, you know what I mean? Like it wants to, it wants to keep going. So how does it
Starting point is 01:11:06 propagate? Well, it alters its, it's, it's smear. And then now everybody's got it again. Well, why? Well, because that one's much more contagious, but less harmful. But that's the tradeoff. And, you know, it's, it can get confusing. I guess what I'm saying is, you know, we call it ancestral strain. We should call it COVID classic. COVID classic. Then the common man. Yeah, that then common man would understand what we're talking about. You can say someone in the chat mentioned crystal COVID, but that wasn't here very long. You know, so you could do that with one of the short run strains. Vanilla COVID.
Starting point is 01:11:38 Yeah. These are the brains we're having to appeal to these things. I need COVID zero. I'm not doing any of that. Oh, yeah. COVID zero sounds great, doesn't it? Yeah. All the great taste of the original COVID.
Starting point is 01:11:51 That's right. Well, anyway, so that's interesting. Yeah. But that's just Omicron. What I was just explaining to you is just when Omicron came on the scene, right? That's just a variant of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. But what we wanted to talk about were sub-variants. These, you can subdivide that.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Because the thing about viruses is mutations are happening all the time constantly. You could go crazy with naming every single mutation. and calling it its own sub-variant or sub-sub-sub-variant or something like that. But scientists aren't going to do that. Epidemiologists aren't going to do that because most of them are not of concern. The mutation that happens either does nothing or very little, and we're just not going to look at it. So what the CDC does and the World Health Organization, they look at variants of concern. You've probably heard that before.
Starting point is 01:12:50 And these are when a mutation or a cluster of mutations happens that is concerning and likely to make the virus behave in a different way in the population. So the main things that they look at are whether or not the mutations will make it spread more easily or quickly or whether the mutations are going to. spread more easily or quickly or whether the mutations are going to make it more dangerous or or change completely how it works that's very unlikely to happen and that's not really how it's happened with COVID at all but but the two main things are how quick is it changing how quickly it spreads and and or is it making it more deadly or or causing more severe illness, right? Yeah. And so when those changes happened, that's when they label it a variant of concern. Now, one of the tricky things about COVID is we're so hyper-focused on it that
Starting point is 01:13:56 sometimes variants get named and get into the headlines before we even know if these changes are going to impact the population. Because our technology is so good at looking at these things, we can see the mutations and think, oh, that might be, like the mutation right there has changed how the spike protein works. So that might be something that could be a problem. And then it ends up in a headline somewhere because it's someone founded in a pre-print scientific server somewhere and said, oh, we need to be worried about this. But the ones, and that happened with like dot three. So the dot three, I'll start there. The dot three variant was everybody, it raised alarm bells.
Starting point is 01:14:49 There were a lot of changes that were happening, but it never really took off. Right. So that one, nobody really, nobody talks about that anymore. No. Because it didn't go anywhere. It's not cool anymore to talk about that. It's not cool anymore. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:04 It was one-hit wonder. And whatever other metaphor you want to use. Sure, why not? but uh but the very first one you'll you'll see b a dot one sometimes that is the that is just the first omicron variant that was discovered so it's not that's not really a that's not really like different from omicron when it first came on we just called it b a dot one yeah um the real like i already said that one was spread very very quickly that was the big deal about that and that's why we named it Omicron and separate from Delta because it had so many, so many mutations and it
Starting point is 01:15:46 spread really, really quickly. The other thing about Omicron, B-A-D-1 was it, it was when we started to notice that symptoms started to get much more mild than previous variants of COVID. So that was a promising, hopeful thing. Yes, it was spreading more quickly, but the symptoms were mild. There was a lot less of the, you probably don't hear about this very much anymore. There was a lot less of the loss of taste and smell symptom going on. That indicates probably that there are less neurological impacts happening, although it's still not 100% clear why the loss of taste and smell was happening. Yeah, which is in itself a neurological condition, right?
Starting point is 01:16:35 Yeah, it can be. It can be. It could be that you're losing taste and smell because of, other things going on in your sinuses or your, you know, just other parts of your airway and everything that aid with that. But there were, I think some of the leading hypotheses were that it was somehow neurologically. My son-in-law still can't eat strawberries. And it's been really, wow. A month and a half or something. I think Dan still can't, Dan Patrice, our very own damn patrice still can't eat french fries for some reason yeah guy across the street uh who
Starting point is 01:17:13 normally does the bike ride thing he he still doesn't have capacity in his lungs so yeah he gets winded still and it was it's been weeks we had this guy well who we just heard about yesterday who when he's super anti-back so that's part of the equation but he's you know relatively young 42 year old dad of three kids i think went to ended up in the hospital on a respirator for original COVID for legacy COVID and then what's the word you used primordial ancestral ancestral ancestral ancestral COVID there's something like primordial COVID anyway he comes home he's like yeah I beat it I didn't need no vaccine to beat it and like hey me not I had to have gone in if he didn't anyway whatever so he he he's he's home and then he starts having weird issues like the smell and taste thing
Starting point is 01:18:06 don't come back for him for a really long time. He can barely breathe. It's like a lot of residual stuff, long COVID-y kind of stuff happened to him. And then he caught it again two months ago. Didn't end up in the hospital this time, but is now dealing with some kind of weird neurological stuff, nervous system stuff. What's that nerve pain, nerve ending pain thing that he's never had to deal with before, all right in the wake of this recent infection.
Starting point is 01:18:38 And the problem is, we haven't done enough to know for sure that you can say, yes, 100% we're sure this was COVID-related because we can't. Right. But, you know, nobody knows what else to say about it except, well, they're all mysterious conditions that you got out of nowhere only after a second dose of this COVID thing. And that's when the conversation started going into this direction of, well, I hear the new revarian attaches to your neurological cells and turned you into a monkey or whatever. like they had there's there's some panic around that and this guy seems to be like you know a little bit
Starting point is 01:19:09 of an example of it he's still anti-backs by the way um the point of course and his poor kids oh he's in the hospital now for sepsis but the sepsis is it not your normal like it's not even it's not called sepsis but it's basically like a meningitis type thing that's somewhere in his up here in his head or something and they have no explanation for it like we can't find we can't figure out what the frick happened to this guy, except that he had two really rough bouts of COVID. One almost killed him. The second one just left him a mess. So anyway, it's so easy for us. It is scary, but it's easy for us to take these anecdotal examples, people that we know or whatever, and then apply a broad blanket to it. And I think that that's... I'm glad you said that because there actually
Starting point is 01:19:54 isn't a lot of evidence or none that I found that these Omicron subvariants are any more or less likely to do neurological damage. That's probably data that's going to take a long time for us to hash out because that stuff usually just takes longer. You have to look at people for a long time and see what's happened. Probably years, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how they do, how they monitor that exactly.
Starting point is 01:20:30 So I wouldn't want to say, but I know that. that from what I could find, I couldn't really find strong evidence that these current Omicron variants were any more or less neurologically active or anything. I think the word you were looking for was neuropathic pain. But anyway, so that was what happened with Omicron. And the story of Omicron and all these sub-variants really is a story of every one of them being faster to spread than the other ones. All right. Because Omicron by itself was really, really fast, but then the BA.2
Starting point is 01:21:07 sub-variant was discovered. Also in November, but we didn't really get our first cases in the U.S. until January. I don't know if you heard. That one was called the Stealth Variant. Did you ever hear that? Oh, I do remember that one.
Starting point is 01:21:20 No, I don't remember the names, right? It wasn't because of no symptoms. The symptoms were basically the same, still mild. Actually, there was a, with this variant, there seemed to be more, sore throat became more common and also gastrointestinal stuff
Starting point is 01:21:37 oh yeah that stomach thing that's right yeah some people had that real bad I remember now I didn't know it's called the stealth variant it sounds like only Klingons I'd get it or something birds of prey it was called the stealth variant because it was really hard to distinguish from Delta in the PCR tests
Starting point is 01:21:53 at the time and that was when Delta was still around so they were trying to find how much Delta versus omicron was out there, they were still trying to figure out if Omicron was going to completely take things over, and
Starting point is 01:22:08 spoiler alert, it did. But at the time, they were trying to figure that out, and it was very frustrating because these PCR tests would show up saying there was the Delta variant, but it was actually this Omicron sub-variant, and so
Starting point is 01:22:26 they called it the stealth variant because it was hiding and masquerading as Delta. but it was spreading even faster than the original omacron yeah three three of my neighbors got that version of it it got the stomach version of it and um yeah they are a mix of vaccinated and not vaccinated but even in all their cases it was a rough couple days yeah and then doing great i kind of wish this thing would morph into the rough couple day stomach thing i don't want to wish that on anybody but it seems like that that's more of a in an act
Starting point is 01:23:01 out and we're done type which would you rather have all things being equal i'm curious about this which would you rather have you know sinus congestion cold type illness or or stomach stuff if you're saying four let's say both cases last the same amount of time or or do we not get that option no you don't get that option because because i'm thinking more real world like like congestion sinusy stuff usually and like stuff in your airway usually sticks around for like a couple of weeks like two weeks you know but but diarrhea stuff gastrointestinal stuff usually is like more severe like to me it's it's more severe but it's yeah it's harder but it's over faster exactly i think i would go with the latter despite the fact that it would wreck my barf record um i don't i don't want
Starting point is 01:23:54 that to happen i don't have a i don't have a runny butt record i wish i did but i don't I'm like everybody else in that regard but yeah other than that like taking that off the table I think I'd rather have the hard hit and get out you know definitely would rather have the stomach stuff
Starting point is 01:24:09 just because the sinus stuff for me more impacts my sleep because of the apnea than the stomach stuff would so oh good point at least I could sleep and yeah yeah that's why I would pick definitely the
Starting point is 01:24:22 the gastrointestinal stuff too because of my because I like to run and so it when I get, when I get like a chest cold and stuff, that puts me out of running for like two weeks, you know. Yeah, it takes a while to get that back. And if it's COVID, maybe worse.
Starting point is 01:24:38 So, yeah, I think we'd all take the guts over the, over the breathing air. So we said before that BA.3, we never really cared much about that because it never really took off. But right now, everybody's talking about four and five. I'm going to group those together because even though they're technically different, they are separate subvariants. people are concerned about them for the same reason. And it is because, as has been the story, they are spreading even faster than all the previous
Starting point is 01:25:06 Omicron subvariants, which Omicron already was the fastest spreading version of course. Oh, we got a record breaker then. What we got? Right. So it's spreading even faster, but the other part of the continuing story is that there are even less severe cases of this version. So it's moving in the direction. that you would expect a widespreading virus to move,
Starting point is 01:25:33 which is easier to spread, faster spread, less severe. That's just a successful virus wants to do that, right? Because in terms of its success, if it can spread really, really quickly but not kill people, then it can spread more easily. It spreads more easily and re-spreads because it wants. wants to be he finds homes and lives there it's like a lot of i mean if you look at historical viruses that are a big deal that's what they ended up doing right they leveled out or it goes
Starting point is 01:26:08 completely in the other direction and that makes it a big deal too like it's incredibly deadly and fast um and uh we don't want that one yeah um so i'm just letting you know in case you have any sway with the virus yeah yeah yeah that'd be great so um i'll i'll i'll i'll send it on up the line um the uh you mentioned re re infection yeah and that's the reason that people are talking a lot about these dot four and dot five sub variants is because for some reason well there are two two big concerns about this right now first it seems to be able to more easily re-infect people who had earlier forms of covid and that's why you're it's probably why you're starting to hear, I know I have, starting to hear a lot more about people who
Starting point is 01:27:02 had, who are getting COVID for a second time. Yeah. Definitely. And it's probably because of this. For some reason, this, this, uh, subvariant is different enough or, or something that it's able to re-infect people more easily who already had earlier forms of COVID. The other thing is that this version of COVID is much is able to get around vaccines more effectively. The vaccines are becoming
Starting point is 01:27:33 less effective against these particular sub-variants. Now, they still, the vaccines still work, so this is not a call to hold up on your getting your vaccine. Don't throw your needles out. That was a weird thing to say,
Starting point is 01:27:49 but don't, don't avoid getting a vaccine just because of that, because it's still somewhat effective. It's just not as effective. Remember, these vaccines have been so great because starting off, they were at like upper 90% effectiveness, right? So being less effective might still be like they're only 60 or 70% effective, but in terms of vaccines, that's still pretty good. Pretty good. So still get vaccinated. But that's the concern, because if it continues to go in this direction, now good news is, with MRNA technology, we can respond, scientists and companies can respond to that very quickly.
Starting point is 01:28:33 They can come up with new vaccines and get them out into the boosters and everything more quickly. Yeah, which is what you want. That's what we want. I was listening to a song by 311 yesterday. And it's called, it's called Dodging Rain Drops. It's from their latest album in 2019, Voyager. It's really good, by the way. They make great music right now.
Starting point is 01:28:56 I'm going to pause us for YouTube. Sorry, YouTube. I'm going to play a little piece of the song because right when I was in the car discussing how I feel like I've been really lucky and still haven't caught any form of COVID that I know of. There's always, you know, asymptomatic carriers and that. But Kim and I have not done this. And we were in the middle of discussing it when we heard this lyric. Okay, I want to play this.
Starting point is 01:29:18 Hold on. Hold on It's really low Oh you guys can't hear it Hold on No I'm going to hear it And the world is not waiting on me
Starting point is 01:29:29 I've been dodging rain drops For far too long I've been dodging rain drops For far too long Says the song Right as we're having a discussion About how I'm dodging these raindrops For two year, three years
Starting point is 01:29:43 Yeah I'm just saying it made me feel COVID drops Yeah it makes me nervous It makes me nervous Anyway I thought to share that little anecdote. Bobby, as always, it's very interesting to have you on the show and talk about these things.
Starting point is 01:29:57 There's another outlet where you do this in a more meaningful long-form way, and that is All-Around Science. Tell people about it, what's happening this week, and where they can get it. Yep, that's our podcast. Me and my co-host, Mora, do All-Around Science. That's what it's called. Search for it, and you'll find it. We've got a website all-around science.com. Yesterday, the episode that came out was all about traffic.
Starting point is 01:30:19 You remember we talked about some traffic. A few weeks ago, I told you I was doing some research for an episode. Well, that's the episode. It just came out. Traffic like car traffic, right? Car traffic, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes. What caught like those slowdowns that then turn into giant...
Starting point is 01:30:37 Yeah, phantom traffic jams. Right, right. That was the term, yes. Oh, very cool. I want to hear this. You live in a big city like Atlanta. You're very familiar with phantom traffic jams. That's true.
Starting point is 01:30:49 For a hot second, we looked at a house in Atlanta last year. It was a hot second. Yeah, it was a hot second. Part of the reason we didn't do it was how hot every second will be. So we didn't do it. But also, it's now really expensive to buy that house in Atlanta. Nobody's moving anywhere. Anyway, well, this is all good stuff.
Starting point is 01:31:09 Check it out, all around science. Wherever I get your podcast, Bobby, having you on? Man, it's just a treat. Thanks. And we look forward to having you on next time. We'll see you later. see you bobby it's a big grinny long hair jeez i know it's a good dude he was ready for a freeze frame really with that luck oh yeah hell yeah yeah uh i would too if i had his hair sure all right to get
Starting point is 01:31:31 out of here we're going to do a quick email uh this is an email that we received not long ago send and receive email it's the morning stream at gmail dot com this is from taylor who says brian this is mostly for you says hi scott and brian i have a question for brian that surely has been asked an answer before, but I can't keep up with the thousands of stories I've heard from the show. I was watching Kitchen Nightmares, and a restaurant in Arvada was the episode's focus. Did Brian ever get to experience the old neighborhood restaurant? Hardly an exciting question, but Brian is the only person I know in Arvada that exists or anyone that I know that in Arvada exists. That's not what that sentence says. Brian is the only reason I know Arvada
Starting point is 01:32:11 exists. There we go. The only person in Arvada that exists. Oh, man. Tomorrow I'll take... I'm the Tyler Durdin of Arvada. I'm going to tell you guys tomorrow about this giant new floaty that fell off my lens. Oh, no, new floaty. Stuff gets in the middle and I screw words up even worse than I do normally. Anyway, he said it made me think of TMS.
Starting point is 01:32:28 So before I go on, because there's more to this, what, do you know this place? You ever been? I do know the place. We went after, like, that place has been around forever. And I remember even as a kid going by there. It was, it's right by a target that used to be on a, you know, on a typical bike riding path that I would go along, but I never went there until maybe about, I don't know, 10 years ago with the crazy neighbors, we went after the Kitchen Nightmares thing, and I think we even saw
Starting point is 01:33:02 the episode beforehand, or we just knew, because they had signs up that said recently featured in Kitchen Nightmares, and we actually, the person who served us, or at least came to our table at one point was the owner and we asked how the whole kitchen nightmares experience was and he's like oh you know he came in he complained about all the stuff we had stuck on the walls and the and on the shelves and how it was never dusted and we threw a lot of stuff in the dumpster but a couple things i went back and got and hid in my house until they left and then i brought them back there was a big mannequin that was at the entrance um the place closed and reopened recently as the butchery, or open again in the last five years as the butchery.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Same people or new people? Same, might be same people. I don't know. I never saw that guy, like, and I've been to the butchery maybe three or four times. They have incredible breakfasts, or they did. They no longer do breakfast there. So it's like lunch and dinner only. And I haven't had a reason to go back there and try lunch or dinner because their breakfasts were so good.
Starting point is 01:34:05 Oh, interesting. Okay. But I wonder if that actually gave them, at least at the time, a boost. I'm sure it gave them a boost. Yeah. They wouldn't have promoted like recently featuring Kitchen Nightmares because then people are like, oh, well, that place now has got to be a lot better than it used to be. Let's go there and check it out, even if they'd never been there before.
Starting point is 01:34:22 It's what drew us and the crazy neighbors there. It's, oh, that's interesting. So it did work in that regard. So I know this has, like some restaurants that diners, drive-ins and dives goes to, actually, some of them were like in huge trouble and it turned them around, like, completely made the place success. and now they still exist because of this one appearance. I think that's really actually very rad. Yeah, I do too.
Starting point is 01:34:46 If it does help that sort of thing, you know, you don't hear about any backlash of like, oh, you know, Gordon Ramsey came here and basically made the restaurant just like another restaurant that lost all of its charm and that sort of thing. Sure. Yeah, I don't know. I'm looking at their website and their steaks look fantastic.
Starting point is 01:35:06 Ooh, I'd go for that. Yeah. I'm having a bison steak tonight. Oh, bison. That's nice and lean. Yeah, have jealousy, everyone. Have jealousy. I do have jealousy.
Starting point is 01:35:18 We got a good deal. I could have a steak tonight. We're going to trivia tonight. So, and the place we're going does have. But not bison. Not bison steak. No. No, it's something from a less endangered species probably is where you go.
Starting point is 01:35:28 Right. Yes, probably a burger is what I'll have. Or what they call, what is actually on the menu as their really good chop salad, which is a really good chop salad. I love chop salad. I love chopped salad so much. Just give me a big wedge of cold wet lettuce and cover it in shit. I'm in.
Starting point is 01:35:46 Covered bacon and chicken and avocado chunks and Swiss cheese cubes and stuff like that. Oh, man. I'm so, I'm so into it. After singing with that guy I did with Charity for Money, what is this? Yeah, it's a TV Zigan talking about Guy Fieri. Oh, Guy Fierry's fine. He's fine. I am so on the, you know, totally on the Guy Fierry.
Starting point is 01:36:07 he's a great dude he just looks like every accessory in the truck catalog is basically the yeah no I mean it's easy to look at the guy and go whatever whatever but the when the wildfires hit that dude's out there cooking and helping and donating and here's nothing wrong with that guy he's there's no like that guy has no shortage of heart and and puts it all into everything so seems like he's got good kids like he's fine absolutely yes stereotypes aside you can have all the you can make all the fun you want about gangster town or flavor tent. If you want to look like smash mouth, totally fine. Just, you know, keep doing all the good things you do for people in trouble. Yeah, and all we ask for is don't put the sunglasses on
Starting point is 01:36:45 backwards. That's all we're asking. Yes. Don't have them back here. Inside a restaurant with the, with the thing that keeps your glasses from falling, like from you losing your sunglasses if they were to fall off in a high wind. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's a good point. All right. The rest of this email, PS, this is Taylor still speaking, says, a truly special thank you, to Brian for his dedication to raising awareness for MS. Recently, my father was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease, and it's been a rough thing to come to terms with.
Starting point is 01:37:12 He's truly the best man a father can be. I admit I've never been one to think about fundraising events to spread awareness for disease research, but I greatly admire Brian doing this as, sorry, doing what he does for his loved ones. He has inspired me to find some chode butter and search for similar events. So I'd love his first thing is to get some chode butter. Chode butter.
Starting point is 01:37:32 That's the step. I'm in a bicycle. What's the first step? Chode better. Chode better. Step one. Chode butter. Step two.
Starting point is 01:37:38 Bike. Anyway, so I can do my part to help spread awareness for the continuing fight to cure these awful diseases. From the bottom of my heart, thank you, Brian. Well, that's really nice. Oh, that's super cool. Yeah. Good.
Starting point is 01:37:50 Well, thank you, Taylor, and happy to do it. Worth all the sweaty uphill business, all that stuff. All worth it. For sure. And sadly, it's been, it's been just a little over a week. It's been like nine days since my ride. I haven't gotten back on the bike and I need to. You know, you train, you basically, do this training thing every day, day after day after day.
Starting point is 01:38:11 And I look at the bike and I'm like, oh, I need to get back on that bike. But there's all this other stuff that I put off while I was doing all my training that I need to get to. Yeah, look, those resin sculptures aren't going to print themselves, okay? Oh, I wish it was something that fun. No, it's mostly work. I record a training video for this client of mine who doesn't know how to add a product to their database. Oh, those poor sons of bitches. Yeah, but I need to do that.
Starting point is 01:38:38 I've got a seat that I need to swap out and then see how that does for long distance writing. Nice. Bust out the chode butter and make it happen. Today, later today, play retro is happening with me and Brian Dunaway, 330 Mountain Time, the per usual time at Frogpants. If you want to watch it live, we get the podcast after, we're talking about pitfall. I don't know if you'd say it's here. I don't know you call it like the original platformer, but it's, you know, it deserves a place in historic memory in gaming. It also, you know, probably helped Activision become what Activision would eventually become, although to mixed results.
Starting point is 01:39:17 We'll talk about that some as well. But yeah, play retro today. Pitfall. Pitfall Harry, baby. Was that game, am I remembering correctly that it was, you know, it also was kind of a precursor to all these randomly generated dungeons where you didn't. know what the next screen was going to be if it was going to be a three alligator vine or if it was going to be rolling logs or anything like that like it was it was very early in that in that in that regard absolutely yeah because most games you know predetermined everything this was like hey you don't know what you're going to get in the next screen and uh love that you can memorize patterns or stuff like that you basically had to yeah and in some ways i mean my favorite game series of all time diablo
Starting point is 01:39:58 one two and three and soon to be four uh thrives on you you you It's never the same dungeon twice, no matter what you're doing. Even in a single player, it's always mixed up and changed. And without those kinds of texts, I'd be less of a gamer. I'd love that stuff. For sure. It's emergent and new and replayable. And it's great.
Starting point is 01:40:16 So, yeah, we'll talk about all that tonight. Play retro, wherever you get your podcast. A reminder that we are supported by you. It's a brand new month over at patreon.com slash TMS. We had a weird bunch of declines on a bunch of your cards for some reason. And we're still trying to figure out why. So today we'll do a fresh thing. But anyway, usually not an issue.
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Starting point is 01:40:50 For everything else, it's frogpants.com slash TMS. That's it, Brian. Hey, let's play a song. You got a song. Let's play it. I have a song. Let's play it. Keith wrote in and said,
Starting point is 01:40:59 Hey, school and bored. As the school year comes to a close, my girlfriend and I want to request a cover for our great friend Buddy. Yes, his first name is really Buddy. He's a school teacher and has made it through another year of imparting wisdom to our future leaders. Can I prevail on the covermaster to choose a cover of any Olivia Newton-John song on an open day you need to fill? If that's not possible than any song with his science theme, as this is what he teaches. With any luck, this will alleviate some of the pain of the dreaded and yet inevitable. Hi, Mr. Smith, do you remember me from his former students when all out and about?
Starting point is 01:41:34 Noah's last name isn't Smith. I'm just trying not to totally embarrass him. It's rather hilarious as to the age range of the person saying this because he's been doing the teaching thing for a few years. Like, he is going to retire soon, length of service. He never sees it coming, and I've been witness to this happening from waitresses, bartenders, and clerks. I keep waiting for the exotic dancer story, but alas, I don't think that one is going to happen. Thanks ever so much for doing this. of the morning stream.
Starting point is 01:42:00 Have a great summer of fun, Buddy, from Keith and his cupcake. Long story. Well, apparently, Buddy loves Olivia Newton-John, and I can't blame him. I made my dad drag me to see Greece over and over and over. And it wasn't the music. It wasn't the high school hijinks. It wasn't Travolta. It was getting to see Olivia Newton-John as, you know, the moral of that story is,
Starting point is 01:42:24 if the guy you like keeps forgetting you and, you know, disregard. guards you and dumps you, change yourself to be more of the guy or more of the woman that he wants. It's a lesson that we can all learn. Anyway, let's get to this cover right here. It's a cover of Olivia Newton-John's, one of her first earliest singles, have you never been mellow, grammatically incorrectly titled, performed here by the trailer park troubadours from their album, Way Cool World. Oh, I love the name of that. That's great. Here it is. Thank you all for joining us. We'll be back tomorrow with a fresh hot Wednesday. Oh my gosh,
Starting point is 01:43:01 it's already Wednesday again. It's already Wednesday. Yeah. That's effed up. Anyways. We'll see who joins us tomorrow. My guess is it'll, oh, nobody. It's me and you because Randy.
Starting point is 01:43:11 I think it's just going to be two of us for recommendals. Yeah. We may. Nicole's a maybe, but Randy is a definite no. Yeah, it sounds like it's going to be rough. But if not, we may ask Donaway. I don't know. He may be willing.
Starting point is 01:43:21 Oh, right. He said he'd be up for it. Oh, we should totally get done away. Yeah. We'll basically get him. We'll book you on the show. with him. We'll get him for a feud and then we'll end the show with recommendals. Yeah, we'll see what that guy likes. I mean, we assume he can
Starting point is 01:43:33 do this. We don't know. He's got work, so I don't know. But we'll find out. I can recommend something he's got a Blu-ray edition. He probably does in his pants. He has it everywhere. It's all over the list. Yes. All right. That's it, everybody. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. We'll see you tomorrow. There was a time when I was in a hurry as you are, I was like you, there was a day when I just had to tell my point of view, I was like you. I don't mean to make you proud I just want you to slow down Have you never been mellow
Starting point is 01:44:44 Have you never tried Find a comfort from inside Have you never been happy just to sing your song? Have you never let someone else be strong? Oh, yeah, fancy man, feeling so good. Let's talk to all the people got to hear in the cul-de-sac. You all never been so mellow. Running around as you do.
Starting point is 01:45:24 With your head up in the clouds, I was like you. I never had time to lay back, kick my shoes off, to close my eyes, I was like you. Now, you're not hard to understand, you need someone to understand, you need someone to to take your hand. Have you never been mellow? Have you never tried to find a comfort from inside you? Have you never been happy just to sing your song? Have you never let someone else
Starting point is 01:46:23 Have you never Let someone else Have you never let someone else Be strong That's bad for the I say be strong Yeah Talk to the people
Starting point is 01:46:39 I mean you never feel so good Come down into the cul-de-sack We gather we meet we chat We barbecue we cook out Feeling so good Everybody mellow I'm mellow I feel good
Starting point is 01:46:51 You feel good You feel good This man Oh, I can stand it Everybody's dancing, man Oh, they're grooving, they're singing, they sway, and they eat This show is part of the Frog Pants Network Frog Pants Network
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