The Morning Stream - TMS 2322: Thiquid

Episode Date: July 21, 2022

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Coming up on TMS, hey, go away. It's been one week since the beastung me. Tickling the beans. I don't like people watching me pee. Wolfheart Mongo. The food-born identity. Happy dumb 24th of July. Hornets are dicks.

Bloody Gross Burger. All the good tribe names are taken. You are wrong. Google it. Dodging COVID balls. Pepper Luigi commits assault. Heavy fragel rock with Amy. Projecting buttholes with Wendy and more on this episode. of The Morning Stream.

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Good morning all, and welcome to TMS. It is Thursday, July 21st, and it is 2022, as you all are aware. I'm Scott Johnson, and that is Brian Hippett. That's right. All of that is right. So here we are, 2322. Episode 2322 in 2022. Oh, crap. You're the one that noticed this time. Holy crap. Yeah. Nicely done. Yeah, I missed that entirely. I feel like I was starting to look toward, like, when will be the next big thing? Well, it would be like 2.20. I mean, tomorrow will be 722, 20, 22. I mean, that's something. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. The seven should be a two, but yeah, we already had that on 2222. 22. That's right. And our next episode, obviously, our couch cushions don't count as episodes, but our next episode will be 2323. Oh, there you go. And if you're European, you flip it all backwards and you got a whole new number. Oh, yeah, look at that. Yeah. So somebody just pointed out,

TRPW point out episode 23, 22 on 21, on the 21st. Oh, wow. That's cool. Count it down. There's something there. Nothing really of note, but there's something. Yeah, I'm not moving to Europe for this, okay? I'm not moving there for it, but I like mentioning it.

Anyway, I got a funny story to tell you if you'd like to hear it. I'd love to hear it. Great, because it's kind of a hoot. So Van Straw, my little grandson. Yes, yes. Is three and a half now and is going through the, the the machinations of potty training okay oh fun all right yeah he's uh he's doing okay doing pretty good like you know when he has to pee he'll come guy of his mom and go i need to go

potty that's the kind of thing and she'll take him and whatever he's very private about it doesn't you know as as maybe you should be i don't know but he's very like you know he doesn't want he doesn't want he doesn't want it's not a it's not a show you know yeah so he barely even likes his mom around let alone anybody else so yesterday he's over the house who's here last night and he goes walks up to to my to my wife to Kim and says nana I need to go potty because Kim Carter was there Taylor was somewhere else so we said okay the kids are over for dinner so Kim goes okay no problem let's go buddy so they go run into the bathroom and I'm just so proud of him because he's at this little stage you know it's important where we pee matters you know

so I come around the corner and I poke my head around the corner I just kind of go around like this and he's standing there you know trying to pee not going yet but he's trying. Yeah. And he's doing the stand-up, you know, a little, little man pose or whatever. And I turn my head around and I go, hey! And he goes, this is his exact words and exact tone. I wish I could have recorded it.

I would have loved to have this audio. He says, hey, go away. He says to me. Just like that. Just like that voice is like excited to see it. Like, hey, go away. They get, this is a private woman. He's kind of getting, uh, over.

Yeah, he's developing the, it's almost a sarcasm. What is it? It's like, go away. I don't know what they call it. I don't know what that is. I don't know what there's a word for it, but it was so funny. I could not stop laughing, which didn't help any, because he just, he just gets self-conscious and, you know, whatever. I think he got maybe two, three drops out before he gave up.

Sure. But, yeah, that's a riot. It was a riot. Yeah, he's doing, I mean, three and a half, can you believe that? That's insane. Yeah. Holy cow, I can't believe how time flies. I was in my 40s when he was born, and now I'm not.

Anyway, so there's that, and it was fun. And we had homemade curry, and that was great. And I showed Dylan my steam deck, I could pronounce that properly. Oh, I didn't know you had one of those. Yeah, right here. You haven't mentioned it. Didn't I? Oh, I get it.

You're being sarcastic, I see. I've mastered the sarcasm. Ah, it's very good. It was so good. I suddenly missed it. But, yeah, he was all, like, jazzed about that. And we had fun and sat around, and I almost ate a B, and it was a good night. Oh, tell me, it was that you just,

like almost, was it in your food or was it, uh... I was outside laughing and it just almost just went in my mouth and then came out. Oh my gosh. I don't like that. And I went, blah, lo, a little bit. And I thought about what that might have meant for me and, you know, catastrophized about what it's like to have your throat bitten by or stung by bee. And then I, and then I forgot about it and ate the rest of my curry, my homemade curry.

Nothing good could come from that. I mean, it's like, there's no, like, well, you know, he swallowed a bee, but at least it only stung him in the esophagus. Yeah. You know, there's no like, there's no, make an argument. Make an argument for any positivity about getting a bee in your throat. Exactly. I dare you, anyone, to do that.

You can't do it. It's not possible. But even people who love bees, do you really want one in your mouth? No. No. Sorry. No. I keep my mouth closed at the apiary.

That's good. Oh, that is called an apiary, isn't it? I always think it's called a... A be... A beeri. A beeri. No, I call it a bee... Ah, I used to have a...

I will say it wrong. and then Carter or somebody that's smart will correct me. If she's in the chat, she'll tell me what it is. I forget what it is. But I don't know what to call it. And she loves bees. She wants all bees to live and to breed and to, not sting, but, you know, go do their pollen business. Sure, sure.

Hornets, though, F. Hornets, F those guys. Yeah, yeah. Their dants and yellow jackets, so they can just go eat a dick. Yeah. They suck. Yeah, they do suck. Do you know what's good? So we got this little, we got a little ecosystem going in the backyard.

We want bees for pollination and also these plants and stuff Kim and Carter are growing in the backyard. They do what bees. Bees are good for them. So we want bees. But we're having a hard time attracting bees. So the word is what you need to do is put a few little standing water things around. They'll attract some of the bees. So then the bees come in and then the bees will also chase off and or kill the hornets and keep the hornets from coming out.

Really? Oh, that's cool. That's what they tell me. I am not an entomologist. I don't understand these things. I don't know what the F's going on. But bees. Wow. Catch them.

Oh, that's, that'd be, uh, you'll have to let us know. I mean, if, uh, if you don't have a lot of hornets to deal with and you do have bees,

then, uh, I guess that's a sign that it's working. That the bees are doing their job. Yeah. Bees are fine. They don't want to hurt you. If you leave them alone,

they'll leave you alone. It's hornets who are dicks and want to, uh, fly up your butt hole and destroy your life. Yeah. Exactly. they'll just get in these keep like like hovering at you and stuff it's like I'm not what you want

I am not the thing that you're looking for nope I'm not the fleshy beast you I may be wearing bright Hawaiian shirts but I am not a flower I promise you I didn't even think of that do you attract more when you wear those you probably do yeah do they look more colors or do they look more like smell or do they go more my smell

I wonder what that is I don't know I thought so when I grew up everybody said well Yellow jackets are drawn to your bright colors. But I don't know if that's actually true. I just was told that. Could have been a wife's tale. It could have been, you know, home-brewed philosophy. I have no idea.

But my mom would always say, oh, don't wear a yellow shirt if you're walking to school. Why, Mom? Well, those bees will come after you. That's what she say. And I believed her. So to this moment, I really don't know. Yeah. I really don't know.

Do you need yellow jackets like yellow jackets is that how it works. But yeah, I hate, I freaking hate bees. When was the last time you were stung by a bee? Could you tell me? Oh, geez. It's been, it's been, it's been, it's been at least five years, maybe longer. I can't think of the last time I was stung by a bee. I got stung by a yellow jacket because the lawnmower was too loud.

Oh, geez. It pissed off the yellow jackets in their hive or the hornets in their hive, which I promptly destroyed. I said, oh, yeah? okay yeah you showed them you want to play let's play yeah you showed them who the dominant species was that day i'll tell you exactly yeah so for me i can tell you exactly when it was it was in june of 2002 okay and uh it dive bombed me as i was going out to feed the dog in the kennel outside and they were living inside of the chain link kennel fence posts so inside of them they like that in there i guess and one of these hornets came out the first thing the first sensation i felt

was one of them dive bomb me and hit me in the head but it didn't sting me it just bounced off so I was like what the frick was that I look up I don't see anything

back to my business this one got me right in the freaking head and I didn't do anything I was just walking back there I didn't even mind in your own business yeah it's my fence

you little pieces of shart I freaking hate him so I love the fact that you remember it was June 2002 I don't remember the day day but I always remember

June of 2002 My puke thing was... Your arbitrary streak measurements is something I absolutely love about you and I hope you never change. Well, as long as I don't break these records. So the puke one, July... It doesn't matter if you break these records. No, it doesn't actually matter. What is going to happen if you puke tomorrow?

It won't matter. Well, then I have to tell everybody because I've set up these expectations now. Not just on the air, but I mean, like, you know... Really the expectations. I think the expectations you've set up are not as much with us as they are. We're all not going to be like, oh, everybody wear a ribbon on your shirt. Yep, yep. It's going to be.

Well, Johnson threw up on Friday. Everybody wants it to be a massive event. I don't. I don't want it to happen at all. But, yeah, July the three years later, 2005, that was my date. The black armbands have come out because Johnson puked on a weekend. I hope it's after I eat a black and white cookie. Here's what I'll do.

This is what I'll do. Wait a minute. Yeah. Do you remember you've seen that Seinfeld? Is that a Seinfeld? Okay. I remember the Seinfeld, yeah, where he buys the black and white. He buys the black and white.

Where he chases the lady down for the marble rye, isn't it? No, that's the one where they're in the bakery forever trying to get a bobka, a cinnamon bobca. That's right. It was a cinnamon bobka. I was thinking it was when he, he's going there for the marble rye, but that's a whole different thing. Yeah, and he goes, I haven't thrown up since 1987, whatever damn that. That's right. And then he goes and does it.

And then she asked how it was. He says, as good as it gets. And then that was the end of that. But what was my point? My point is, oh, my point is, I think that that episode informed how I would view such things. I think I kind of climbed on to that and went, oh, I'm going to make it a big deal then. Because I hadn't, before this, it was 98. Before that, I don't remember.

It's not a puker. I don't barf. So, anyway, I'll let you guys know if it happens. I'm, all of a sudden, I'm thinking, oh, what a fun TMS Vegas game. No. We're live TMS. Can we get Scott to puke? No.

Can we? No. What can the audience come up with via scent or description or? You'd be hard pressed because part of the reason I haven't barfed in that long is I don't, I hate the experience of it so much that I, there have been times where I should have barfed and didn't. So, yeah. You would have a hard time, I think. Now, the only way you could really get me is if somebody cheated and put like epicac in my drink or something. Well, yeah, exactly.

I think stuff like that would be off limits, right? Like what's the castor oil or epicac or? Yeah, none of that. You do that and it's cheating, I think. You can't do that. I wonder what would gross me out enough. Yogurt soda. Spoiled yogurt soda.

I mean, if I drink the whole thing, it would probably make me sick, but tasting it wouldn't. Yeah, thickened liquid. You guys never want to put an E.D at the end. It's just like, you know, it's a description. It's a, it's not a verb. Yeah. It's an adjective, thick and liquid. It'd be easier if it was thick liquid, then, but people always have to put the ED.

It would be better. Thickwood. Just portmanteau that shit. Like just, just, uh, Brian, he's drinking some thickwood. Thickwood. Oh, that's so good. I'd love that. That's an amazing portminto.

Anyway. What would you do? What do you think would get me there? I don't know. Would get you. All right. You'd have to, like, kill a family of 12 in front of me or something. Oh, geez.

I don't know what it would be. I'm just trying to think of something that would make me round. Something to make you throw up? Yeah. I think making you watch somebody eat a plate of wings and then slowly lick all of their fingers. No, I wouldn't do it. That would gross you out, but it wouldn't... It gross me out, would make me pick, well, no.

I'd have to... You know what might give me? What's that? Somebody eats a plate of wings, licks all their fingers, uses the same figures to make themselves throw up the chicken wings, and then eats the chicken wings again.

Then you might have me. They'd have to be so gross. They'd have to be like... Oh, dears? Who do we got? But keep in mind, I've seen all the jackass movies and the terrible stuff they do to each other in there.

It's not a problem. I can get over it. I don't know. Maybe it'd have to be... Is there anything that makes you nauseous. Oh, yeah. Getting up on that high roller would have made me nauseous, yeah.

Okay, all right. Yeah, heights get me. Yeah, I'm going to try to break this record before next Vegas meetup. That's what I'm going to do. Just so this doesn't become a challenge and unplanned. Because now even if I don't say it's an official game, now it's kind of become an unofficial secret game. Yeah, and all I have to do is like the weekend before I'll go, oh, you guys, sorry.

I hurled. Really? tell us all about it. And I don't really want to give you details. I just, you know, just know that I hurled. And a new record, new, new time stamp, set the, set the clock to zero. Right. Exactly. Reset back to, back to zero days. Well, anyway. All right. Also, we got, we got a call out here from somebody. It's more aimed at me, unfortunately, but whatever, we'll deal with it. Here's this. Send and receive email. This is Evan from Michigan. He says, a passionate fan who wants you to be happy and stop depriving

yourself of happy things. That's how he signed this. So that gives you an idea where we're at. Wow. Okay. He says hello, Steve and Barb. I feel like I'm taking... Barb and Barb. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills anytime Stranger Things is mentioned. The fact that Scott hasn't watched Stranger Things is absolutely insane to me. Well, reminder, I did watch season one. I'm just

not caught up. Dungeons and Dragons, check. Well, a version of it. They couldn't use the actual D&D. Anyway. 80s theme, check. I'll give you that. Sci-fi fantasy elements? Absolutely. Check. Check of the... Sorry. Cast of fantastically acted kids. Check. Well, you got that weird Wolfheart Mongo, whatever's name is.

What's his name? Finn Wolfhard? Finn Wolfhard. Yeah. Wolfhardt. Mongo. He's kind of weird-looking. Anyway. Yeah. These are all elements we know Scott loves and pair that with the fact that it's an insanely popular show. I just don't understand why it is up for discussion.

Brian, you are going... Far too easy on to him, and so is the chat room. If he doesn't want to watch Parasite, whatever. If he doesn't want to watch Loki, whatever. That's one he can definitely read the synopsis of. No, it's not for sure. He says it's so good and such an easy binge. And anyone who mentions just reading the synoption should really have their nerd card question.

Rant over, watch the damn show, love Evan. Wow. Not just like, do it, Scott, but now a line in the sand like your nerd card. card. It could be revoked if you don't hurry up and watch. Yeah, and he threw your Loki under the bus. How do you feel about that? Yeah, it's not one that you can just read the synopsis. Thank you very much.

That's the corpse of Loki languishing under the bus now. Exactly. Because of Evan. I don't know. I'm not, I'm actually planning on watching it. It's not that I don't want to. I saw the first season. I liked it. You're right. It kind of tickles all the beans.

The problem I have is the problem I have is it's that thing I always tell you about which is it's a Netflix original what does that mean to me it's there forever so I can just kind of Disney plus Loki's going to be there forever Hulu has parasite never shows any signs of that leaving no it seems permanent and so that's the problem is I get this this feeling of permanence makes me go well that'll be there I'll go do something that's less permanent so I know I do a second thing too and it's a very valid one for all of us us. For both you and I, I think Randy as well, that we need stuff that we can talk about on recommendals. And if we watch something that one of us is already recommendal, that's been out for a while, we can't use that. Like, if we binge a 16-hour show, 20-hour show that somebody else has talked about, that leaves us with no time to watch something else that we can talk about on recommendals. Yeah, which is kind of what I ran into this time, because I did watch some stuff with Kim, but it was a recommendal you made, and I forgot the name of the show, but

like, that's why I did the Wallace and Gromit thing. Tell me it was after party. If it wasn't after party, I'm hanging up right now. I don't remember. It wasn't after party. You'd remember if you watched After Party. No, it wasn't that. It was something else. After Party was one of those shows that really slipped under the radar, but then as soon as the Emmy nominations came out, everyone's like, oh, after party got snubbed. After Party should have been on there. Why isn't After Party on the list? Well, mainly because these reward shows are bullshit. but whatever. I mean, they are what they are. I also, by the way, so there's another

example. Someone brought up the boys in the chat. I'm a huge fan of the boys. I know it's not for everyone, but I love it. And I am two episodes into the new season, but I'm just ridiculously behind. 1883, another thing that sings my name. As you like Yellowstone.

I love Yellowstone, and this thing's set in the 1800s. Sam Freakin Elliot is in it, going, you know, he's in it. And so, there's that whole thing going and why hasn't Scott eaten that? Partly, because I know Paramount Plus has it or Peacock, whoever has it. Has it in perpetuity? It's theirs. It's their

original. Just be there. They need to tease like oh, you know, we're not sure we're going to keep parasites. So if you haven't watched parasite, we don't know if we're going to have it forever. Yeah. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's it. Yeah, I don't know. Get some artificial scarcity. You know what? I actually realize what I'm asking for and I don't want it. Because Disney famous for the vault.

What a horse shit concept that was. So it was like, hurry up and get the little mermaid before it goes back in the vault. What vault? Exactly. You know, vault. So, yeah.

There is a vault. There is a vault. Is there a vault? Tina saw the vault. So in Stone Mountain in Georgia, no, where was it? It was when she was doing her investigator job and they were training her, she had to go to Pennsylvania. And basically they had training inside this vault where she actually had to go into a mountain,

kind of like NORAD, right, where it was like, you couldn't drive in there. You had to get onto a bus, and the bus would take you under this mountain to this training facility where the investigators were. And she saw the Disney vault, which is also there, an actual Disney vault where they can temperature control all of the original. films and all that stuff, all the original stuff. It is Iron Mountain. Okay, I was trying to think if it was Iron Mountain. But when they were doing it with DVDs, it's digital. You're done. There's nothing to protect. You just have... I mean, it's... Right. It's not like they...

We can only produce 120,000 copies of Lady and the Tramp, and then we have to stop. Right. They can't have enough ladies in the tramps out there. Yeah. But Song of the South, never coming out of that vault, probably. I assume it's in the vault, though, right? It's in the vault. For sure, it's in the vault. Okay. That's cool. I didn't realize there was an actual vault. I thought it was all bullshit. There is an actual, actual Disney vault.

Shows what I know. Okay, well, the answer to the, and TV Strav says it best. These things, to my point about it, it's always going to be there. Yeah. Yeah. He's right. But I'm not always going to be here. So maybe I should think of it that way and panic, panic watch everything. Right. What do you need to see before you die? How much that Riverdale is there now? Should I just watch all the Riverdale until I'm bleeding.

It's feeling like a George Carlin man. What do you need to see before you die? Your George Carlin's a little, yeah, a little more Jackdickson. It was a little Jack Nicholson. I have not been working on my George Carlin at all, ever. That was awesome. Here's Johnny. All right.

We're going to transition to... Well, I guess I need to watch Loki. That's right. It's pretty good. We're going to call Amy. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah. I've been reading, but it's been comic books.

I feel like I don't have much to bring to the table today. I don't know why we couldn't recommend comic books as a reading material. I mean, we sure could. I guess I've already done it, though. It's right there in the name. I guess I already did it with that 8 billion genies. It's so good. Yeah.

It's so good. I'm only three issues in, and I just freaking love. Billing Genies. Can't recommend it enough. All right. Anyway, here's this, everybody. Right. Freaking here. Look who it is, everybody sauntering up the path in our idealic idea of what it looks like when Amy joins us. It's Amy Robinson, aka Red Fraggle. Hi, Amy. Welcome to Read This with Amy. How are you?

Hi, good morning. Yes, I do a little dance in my chair every time my little theme comes on. It is dance of music. Yeah. I see you skipping I see you skipping down a pathway that's lined with flowers and you're carrying a basket that's full of books That's what I visualize

It's like one of those old Like those documentaries I always capture For the show, it's like Amy is on our way to school What will she find on the way? You know, that kind of thing Well anyway, it's good to have you here Of course, as always

We're going to talk about some book recommendations You also sent me this little Twitter link Did you want to do that first? Yes, okay, so yeah You can play the Twitter I sent you. Just be aware that the sound is awful and I'll explain why after. But you know, it's, this is more for the chat room, I think, than it is for the, for the people listening. But we'll, I'll explain it for the people listening. Fair enough. For those of him,

we're looking at the preview image before I hit play is, is Amy. This is your natural hair, right? This, uh, yeah. That is my red fraggle hat that I crocheted. It's pretty good. Anyway, I'm going to play it for the chat. Here you go. Let's see what we get. You're right about that audio. Yeah, there were people vacuuming in the background.

So wait a minute. Is this the Fraggle song but like heavy metal or something? What is it? It is. Yes. So a number of Tadpoolers have sent me this link. I've been like, oh, my God, Amy, have you seen this? And so I think ICOR said it to me first in Discord, and I was just dying.

I was loving it. And KT. Data said, okay, now I need a video of Red Fraggle headbanging. And so I said, well, all right, here you go. Asking ye shall receive. And that's part of why the audio is bad is because at that moment, there were people vacuuming my house. And so I was like, okay, but I have to give it to you like right now. Oh, man. You have people for that?

That hat is great, by the way. Yeah, the hat is awesome. Thank you. Tell me more about these. Firehouse subs. This video sponsored by Firehouse subs, apparently. I know. I noticed that.

It was like I had ordered lunch for, you know, everybody in my house from them. And they gave me this big humongous paper bag. And so I keep those big empty paper bags in my office for stuff, like recycling, you know, stuff I have to shred and things like that. When you say they're people vacuuming, who, who are these people? Oh, well, I, no, Chuck was not back to me. So I have, I have a, a lady who comes in, like, every three weeks or so and just helps me out with, like, basic cleaning stuff. Just because I, the last time I tried to scrub my shower clean, I literally fell on my butt and I was scared to death that I had injured my back somehow. And so I was like, that's it.

Yeah. Forget it. Well, plus you got that. I am hiring a service. You told us about that thing where you got the, you got the, what's a. called the sleep thing, the you fall sleep easy. Whatever that is. So yeah, yeah, that's a good idea.

That's a good idea. I would love a cleaning person and here's why. Yeah. Because then Kim would stop telling me how little I clean. You know what I mean? But I'd want her to be able to come in and do it while Kim's not paying attention. And then she'd come home and go, oh my gosh, Scott, what'd you do? Oh, well, you know, just trying to do my part around here.

Anyway, see you later. And I'd just, that'd be it. That'd be great. Anyway, my fantasies aside. Let's get to this book today. Oh, for a second if that was Brian's chair. I'm looking at the wrong link. Sorry.

Did you get your chair, Brian? Did you order that thing? I'm just curious. No, not yet. I've been trying to decide which one I want. And I'm not, you know, there's good chairs, bad chairs. I'm looking at reviews. I'm not, you know, not a hundred percent.

Expensive chairs, cheap chairs. A lot of expensive chairs. Yeah. It's all over the map. I feel you. I do not like chair shopping. It's like the freaking worst. And part of me was like, oh, you know, why not just spend the money, Brian, and get a good one for for four or five hundred bucks?

Yeah. There's, you know, Secret Lab, highly recommended Secret Lab looks like they make some amazing chairs. Reviews, five-star reviews across the board. But, you know, spending $500 on a chair right now is, is, I need to drive a lot of lift to do that. Yeah, I need that chair to give me a bidet wash as I get up, you know what I mean? just constantly be cradling me. Yeah, you better be massaging me and doing all sorts of things for 500 bones.

Well, anyway, Amy, let's get to this book. Do you want me to play the clip or do you have any setup for it or anything? Or what do you want to do? Yeah, let's just jump right into the clip because it's super fun. All right, here we go. The last version was almost there.

Doc said she definitely saw evidence of a tumessen cloaca. I laughed. Was it got you chuckling, Satie said. I was just thinking that Edwards, too messent cloaca would have been an excellent band's name. Emo, obviously, Cahurangi said.

Their first album glistened with promise, but their follow-up was a little flaccid. Their third album was really shitty. To be fair, the competition was stiff that year. I just thought that they should have showed more spunk. I was going to add more to this terrible, disgraceful conversation. But then we crested a hill, and I got my first look at Edward. Holy shit, I said.

Sotie grinned. Cute like a panda, right? Kahurangi made a noise at this. Mate, if you think that's cute, you've been on this planet too long. Seconded, I said. The thing looks like H.P. Lovecraft's panic attack. Satie nodded. Wait till you'll see is glauika.

Well, that's Will Wheaton, isn't it? That's definitely Will Wheaton. That is Will Wheaton. Quil Wheaton, yes. Quil Wheaton. Yeah, the name of this book is the kaiju Preservation Society by John Scalzy. And I apologize. I don't remember who actually recommended this book to me because I had put a call out there. I was like, okay, y'all, I really want to get

into reading Scalzi's books, but I'm intimidated and I don't know, I don't know quite where to start. And a number of people said, go for this one. It's really fun and it's easy. And they were correct. And it's really fun and hilarious. And, you know, I see some of the people in the chat were like, it might be distracting listening to an audio book that was narrated by Will Wheaton. And I had the same thought. So I started just reading the book on my Kindle. And then I was like, okay, I need to move this along a little quicker so I can get through this book. And so I listened to the audiobook. And it's great because his delivery is as much fun as the text of the book. So, and it's a really,

really fun book. I explained it to my mom this morning as, you know, you know those people who go out into nature reserves and things like that and they work with endangered animals and they try and, you know, get, make sure that they breed and they, they keep them. Exactly. Yeah, stuff like that. So imagine that, but like for Godzilla's. Oh, okay. Interesting. Love it. Okay. That's awesome. Yeah. It is really, really fun. And, And the great thing about this book is that if you, I actually recommend read everything after the text of the book, like all of Skalsy's acknowledgments and all that stuff because he puts an afterward on the book and he says, okay, look, I was in the middle of writing like super heavy, serious sci-fi novel in 2020. And then 2020 happened. and I hated the book I was writing and I did not want to make it anymore.

And so instead, he wrote this book and he said, it's a pop song. And every once in a while, we just need a pop song. And it is. It's a great, fun little book. It's not unintelligent or anything. It's very John Scalzi. It's very sci-fi. It's got, it kind of explains how the kaiju exists and, you know, all of that.

And it's got lots of, lots of good techno-babel, like sci-fi. And it's just a, it's a, it's a fun popcorn book, I guess. If they made a movie of it, it would be a popcorn movie. So, so there you go. His old, actually, I was just thinking about this dude, because Scalzi wrote Old Man, Old Man's War and then a bunch of follow-up. models to it. And I loved that book. Just absolutely loved it. I only read the first two and probably should have continued, but, um, and maybe you still will. But I heard they were optioning it for a movie or TV or series or something. And I don't know what happened to

that. I was really looking forward to it. I don't know. Maybe it's still in the works, but, um, if you haven't read Skalsy's work here, you're missing out. That guy's, man, he's got another book called the And it's got sheep on the cover. And I'm thinking, dude, come on now. Quit trying to make people accidentally buy your book when they're looking for Blade Runner. Yeah. that's right Blade Runner back in 2017 he was trying to capitalize on everybody's interest

in Blade Runner right exactly no this sounds great I didn't realize you know what I'd seen this book title before didn't know it was John Scalzi that surprises me

I don't know why but I didn't know that and this is new rightish yes it is new he wrote it in 2021 so it's right and it it sort of

it takes place during that time like there are references to the pandemic and everything in there so yeah it's great and it's it's like I say it's it's it's a lot of fun it's a quick read uh yeah I I totally recommend it so thank you to all of you who recommended that I I read that I took it under advisement and now I'm recommending it nice all of you there you go and if you're if

you're if you really enjoy it keep moving through his books because he's a good author yeah and I'm glad actually to be reading his stuff now because I have followed him on Twitter for a long time, and I've actually met him, which the photo I sent you, in addition to the little Twitter and all the other stuff I sent you, I sent you a photo. So I have met John Scalzy because he goes on the Joko Cruise that I go on every year. Oh, cool. That's right. Here it is.

I found it. That's John Scalzy and a puppet hanging out. That's my puppet. Yep. I built that puppet. I am there just out of frame, like a good puppeteer should be. but yeah that was at the dress party on the jocco cruise so you can't really tell there but john skullsie is in fact wearing a dress and uh so my puppet and i were sort of busking around the party and uh i don't know kind of doing a joan riversy kind of thing you know like a red red carpet commenting on everybody's dresses and whatnot and yeah that's cool that's cool super fun that's awesome all right well definitely check this one out. Once again, the title of that book is, remind me, where is it? Oh, I had it right here

and I lost it. It is the Kaiju Preservation Society. There you go. Available now on Kindle audio book, hard book, hard book. What do you call it? Hard book. What are they called? Hard pack. You can get in a hard book form. All right. Amy, always good to talk to you. I hope you have a fantastic week and we'll see you later. Bye now. See Amy. There she goes. I should play her music The last version. Whoops, that was the audio book, sorry. All right. Well done, everybody.

Let's see. Oh, we got time for news. Let's do a little bit of news right now. It's time for the news. Brought to you by. Brought to you by Coverville today, celebrating the birthday of Don Henley. That dude does. Taking a break from building the perfect beast to celebrate the boys of summer.

And there's a new kid in town. I don't know. Something like that. Anyway, Don Henley, a solo artist, responsible for songs like Dirty Laundry, all she wants to do is dance, leather and lace with Stevie Nix, but also he was a member

of this band way back called The Eagles. I don't know if you've heard of them. So of course, songs like Hotel California, Life in the Fast Lane. I tried to pick Eagle songs that were Don Henley fronted as opposed to

things like, I can't tell you why. And I'm trying to think of another one that I bypassed because it wasn't fronted by Don Henley. Anyway, Sergen here covers today by folks like M.D.R.E. and Ingrid Kiosavik and the Hot Stewards and the Smoking Popes. And, of course, be first in the gimmie-gimmies, who we just talked about. All this and more coming up today, 1 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.tv.tv.com. Nice. Did Henley, I know he had to, there was some controversy some years back. I suppose he's probably fine. I know. I don't know. Let's see.

Yeah, here. I just found it. Some controversy about what his... His lifestyle. Oh, here it is. Really? Okay. Last, yeah, it was in 2020, I read this and I just found it. It says back in 1980, 9-1-1 call from Henley brought the fire department to his Los Angeles home. They found a naked 16-year-old sex worker who had overdosed on cocaine. Oh, gosh.

He has a tragic history with Stevie Nix, Jamie McCarthy, Getty Images. Oh, that's in photo. has coke orgies something to do with that and quailude overdoses and all that he said apparently had a moment there I mean who didn't I mean it was 1980 we were all there man we had it going on

yeah that's right he was dating Stevie Nix when she broke up with Lindsay Buckingham Oh there's your problem I just remember him in the car I just remember him in the car going the boys of summer have gone like driving around singing i remember that video like it was yesterday yeah and how every cover artist uh changes the the sticker the bumper sticker on the cadillac

uh to something else like um what is it it's black flag sticker by the if the ataris are singing it's the black flag sticker on a catac and oh right there's other ones uh if you want to find out who the hot stewards if they change the lyric you'll just have to listen to coverville today uh 1 p.m mountain time. You know, it's weird. I did a search for John Scalzi, and I thought it was a one-off because every time I clicked on Scalzy's Wikipedia page, it would crash my browser. So I thought, oh, well, that's just Scalzy, or there's something wrong with his link. I do it again with Henley, same thing. So I wonder, like if I go to just Wikipedia by itself, hold on, wikipedia.com, seems fine. I don't know what that's about. Something with the Google search results is

crashing my browser every time I click the Wikipedia. Oh, no. Yeah, that's fine. Well, don't do that. I'm not going to do that anymore. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to avoid doing that now. All right. Well, we go from a 75-year-old Don Henley to a strip club owner. A man made off a 22K and $1 bills at the strip club.

Oh, geez. $22,000. How much, like, how big a container would you need for $22,000 and $1 bills? No kidding. Because that's, I mean, that's literally $22. thousand strips of paper the size of dollar bills that's i mean that's got to be is there a photo oh yes not because they don't do they they don't know who this guy is no they still can't find him um he's smells like vanilla and glitter just follow the trail of glitter on the ground maybe he's got

the world's largest g-string and it's all jammed in there i don't know anyway the cadillac lounge uh this manager ed imondi tells 12 news he was preparing to open the strip club and was counting the money in his office. When the suspect walked in, pointed a gun at his head, uh, he says at first thought, I thought it was a joke. And then he said, this is a robbery. I said what? And he says, I'm going to rob this place. And Modi said, uh, or sorry, said he had one of the clubs two safes open with roughly 3,500 bucks in cash, uh, in hand at the time, which the suspect took that. The men then demanded he opened the other safe, which contained the 22 grand in one dollar bills. He took all the ones. I could hear him stacking them into a big bag he had.

obviously he knew he had a lot of money in there he loaded up the bag and said that's it don't turn around I'm leaving says the guy the man then left the club through the back door hopping a fence and ran across nearby train tracks the suspect knew the layout of the building which is how he knew where to get him and get the money they don't know where he is

he's out there so a stack of $1,000 bills would be 4.3 inches so 22 times 4.3 would be 88 and change 88 inches, so close to 7 feet. But that's if you just have one stacculum.

So if you, you know, you split that in half, you've got three and a half feet. Yeah, he must have had a hell of a bag. Probably just a big hefty cinch sack would do it. You think that would do it? I think so. I think you could put 22,000 hefty cinch sack. I'm guessing that the limitation maybe was, the bag and not how much money was at the strip club, right?

Like he was, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his bag of holding and not what was available. I would have to think that. Yeah. This guy claims there was only 22k in that one safe, but that's, oh, he, okay, so really. I mean, he's claiming that, who knows, I don't know, right? If I were him, I wouldn't even be talking to the news. Why do you want to tell everybody what you got in your safes now that this guy so easily walked away with 22 grand? I think I, I think I'd, I'd, I think I'd keep it more quiet if I were him. Yeah. Yeah.

By the way, you didn't even get to the, uh, the, uh, co-owner of the club is a guy named Dick Shappie. Yeah. Or if you move that, uh, if you move that space, just one to the right, it's Dick's happy. Dick's happy. It's probably what it is and he did it just to, probably what it is. Yeah. Just to function in society. All right.

Well, there's that. Here's a story about, uh, oh, here, hey, we're saving animals, everybody. Oh, good. Thank goodness. Where's my daughter? She'll love that this giant sea bug got saved. A super rare orange lobster named cheddar was saved from becoming seafood. These are really, really rare.

Bright orange lobster was rescued from its fate as a meal at a red lobster after staff members recognized the crustaceans' unusual coloring. The lobster was named cheddar in an ode to the restaurant's famous cheddar bay biscuits, also because it was orange. Cheddar arrived in the shipment of Red Lobster to two Red Lobster in the shipment in Hollywood Florida according to July 12th news release says sometimes ordinary miracles happen and cheddar is one of them says Mario Roke

Wow, that is an ordinary miracle Yeah just an ordinary everyday miracle True words have never been spoken A lobster was saved from a red lobster the other day Yep he says in the same press release A group of incredible people helped us make this possible we are so honored to have been able to help save cheddar and find her a good home. F all these other lobsters, we're eating those tonight.

But this one, because it's colored funny, well done, everyone. I bet he was delicious. Yep, let's see. Would have been delicious, I should say. So I guess this thing is like super rare. There's a few like this, like the albino ones really rare. Sure, the blue one. Oh, yeah, the blue one's so weird.

They mentioned blue ones not as rare as the orange. Yeah. And I always thought they were all. all orange, but that's after you cook them, right? And it's more red than orange anyway, like a hot. Yeah, I mean, they, right, they kind of all turn red once you've, once you've cooked them. When Kim went to Mississippi on a recent trip, they all went crab, crabbing, they call it. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. And they all got out there in the bog and they're up to their knees, you know, pulled their pants up to their knees and went crabbing and they caught a bunch of crab. And they all looked just gross, like these disgusting crabs. Brown, green, yeah. Yeah, horrible. And then they cooked them. beautiful red looking just beautiful coloring so that's just know that but when you go to a restaurant

it's all lovely and red uh-uh they don't come that way that's not how they start out nope like crad same thing they look great yeah there's a lot of food that looks worse before you cook yeah i guess this isn't breaking any any records here there's that's true of almost everything you cook i guess nobody wants ground beef until it's cooked right right yeah it's a it's a it's a it's a bright red color you don't want to eat that it's red is danger who here's a hot here's here's a hot take that'll get some emails uh anyone who eats raw hamburger or or likes a rare burger yeah you're you're you're effed they don't be doing that around me you want to make me puke in Vegas eat a eat a raw bloody burger oh my gosh okay raw or rare because i mean you know

i like my steak's rare i do too i like a rare steak i like a lot of blood in there but the reason it works with a steak is you're searing the outside and it was always in that form, right? So you got like the slab of meat. It was never mixed up, charred up, gooped up, and then put back together into a ball and then mush down on the thing. So it's not the same char.

You're still have meat inside of there that needs to be cooked or else you're risking freaking salmonella or something. I mean, you need to just get the whole thing up to temperature. It's not necessarily there's a char on the outside. It's the fact that you got the whole thing. You could suveed it, keep the whole thing red and not have a sear on the outside, but bring the whole thing up to temperature. That's true.

Is that all it takes then to kill any bacteria or whatever? Yeah, just have to get up to a foodborne or whatever, like something temperature, not foodborne, airborne, no, what is it? There's like a, there's a word that I'm trying to come up with. Foodborne, foodborne. Foodborne. Foodborne. Not foodborne. Foodborne allergies is probably where I'm getting that, but foodborne illnesses.

Anyway, killing, I just need to get up to the temperature and you could do the same thing. with ground beef. If you want to suede ground beef up to the temperature that will kill any bacteria, any harmful, E. coli or Seminella,

not Ecolea, seminella. Yeah. It'd probably still be red and it'd probably be delicious, but it would still, it would not look the dark brown that you want your hamburger to look.

Well, I, you make good points. You make good points. Check my, did Claire Gack send me a meat, DM, Hold on.

I bet she did. She sent you a, it's Morrissey singing, Nate is murder. Oh, I found it. She got this while she was in New York. Here, Brian, I'll put it in our Discord. All right. It's horrifying.

I could never eat this. Is this steak tartar or like a... No, it's just a burger. Yeah, look at that. Oh, yum. Gross. Gross. It's all in the bun and stuff.

Oh, my gosh. It is the bottom bun. The bottom bun is just soaked with blood juices. Did you get this at Sam and Ella's burger joint? Is that where they got it? That's foul. Oh, man. Now it's like, oh, where am I going for lunch and dinner when I was in Vegas?

I got to take advantage of, you know, I can't just go to like. Go nuts, dude, because if you end up getting the freaking COVID while you're there, you may as well eat like crazy. Just eat it worth it. Oh, yeah. Put on a couple of pounds that you're going to lose for a week of COVID. You know what I mean? Right. I'm funny. I'm dating my pre-COVID weight. Yeah. I say go for it.

Not going to the heart attack grill. I'll say that, though. That's a, that's a negative. I don't even think I'm going to be going downtown, although I need to, uh, I need to hit up uh, Mizzula and James and Svet. And, uh, probably meet you wherever. I think so. Yeah. They're easy. They'll go, they'll go up to the newer part of the strip. Yes. Um, uh, let's do the story. So, I guess the, there's, there's, a global lost luggage crisis. Oh, yes, yes, there is. Oh, my God, I hope they're going to talk about the plane from the UK.

Oh, is there a, is there a story I don't know about? There is, I don't see it mentioned in here. There apparently was a flight, a luggage plane from the UK that went to Detroit or something. I got to look this up because I'm using all the details wrong. It was all lost luggage. Oh, the plane was entirely full. The plane did not contain any... There it is.

A Delta flight from London to Detroit contained no passengers but 1,000 bags. How did this domino thing happen? Like, how do these fly... I don't get it. I don't even know how it got here, but... Well, here's what this article says. When Jen Choi packed her in her family's bags,

she feared the worst hearing horse. stories about checked airline luggage going permanently missing. She bought tracking devices for her suitcases to ensure it would not have to rely on critically understaffed aviation industry right now, which could cause its worst meltdown in history. So talking about staff shortages, they are having a rough one. Lo and behold, all three bags contain the possessions and blah, blah, da, blah, da, let's see. Oh, let's see, her husband and their one-year-old child remained almost 10,000 miles, sorry, 6,200 miles away in Germany when they arrived in Cancun, Mexico.

our bags are still not been found and we will be without them for at least a week I feel like it's part of the traveling these days is becoming so common many people here in Mexico are on vacation without their bags it's a mess and I've never seen anything like it um and then it goes on to talk about the stories of you know thousands of pieces of luggage obviously this this flight you're talking about to Detroit was to try to solve some of that but that's bad also I don't understand like I know you're if you're short-staffed I get delays right delays make sense to me but why would we have

this nightmare lost luggage problem because so much of that is automated right like you know the the bags have the little tags and stuff that have the sensors on them or I guess somebody has to put them on the right belt is that the deal? So there still has to be human

involvement before it I knew that there was a whole bunch of technology with the DIA bag system, which is what delayed the development of that airport for such a long time. Yeah. But I think somebody still has to be involved to move bags around. Interesting. It says that across the world, the mishandling of bags is on the rise 24% year over year from last year.

Let's see. 8.7 suitcases per 1,000 international travelers not arriving. So that may seem like not much, but that's a big percentage jump. And you don't want to be that guy. yeah i'm not checking my bag um i mean listen folks it's probably worth picking up a apple air tag and putting it in your bag so that you know maybe you can see where it's at where it's going yeah i might do that actually when we go i've got one in my uh in my suitcase that's a great idea i would hate that though because then you might know where it is but you're still going to

be like oh my gosh it's in indonesia and i'm i'm in idaho like yeah but you'll but at least you'll know that it's in Indonesia. I guess so. But then how do you do anything about it? Can you like... Well, you can probably do more about it if you say, hey, I meant to, I wanted to get my bag from baggage claim, but it's showing up in Indonesia. Can you do something about that?

Yeah. And then it's not like, we've lost your bag. We don't know where it is. You can say, oh, here it is. Right here. I can show you on my phone exactly where it is. Yeah. And once again, someone in the chat mentioned it.

I was going to mention it as well. American Airlines posted their quarter to two profits. They are record high. Marriott put this in here. they've never had a better quarter something's effed man you got it y'all need to you all need to pay living wages there's no record high profits is that going to the right people i don't think it is i think maybe higher pay people a living wage right we're effed yeah we're effed we're off here's one no no we're done we're going to wait we're going to wait because

wendy this one here's not one here's this instead we're going to take a break when when we come back when you'll be here but we can't do any of that until there's a song played so brian let's do that part of the show i will do that this is a brand new song from the band sister jemini i'm pulling up my notes here because i was too slow usually i'd do this during the last news story and i completely screwed up uh she's an la indy pop artist sister jemini she's not a band she's a person and her name is anakin no it's not it's a gasman but probably i'd change my name Remy Gassman. Gassman.

She creates pop-infused bedroom beats, as she describes them. Big thanks to Dark Secret Media for getting me this one. This is a brand new song that's called Scooter Song. Here is Sister Gemini. I'll be on before the street lights turn on I'll be on before they realize where I've gone one my bare feet along the warm sidewalk I'll be on before the street lights turn on

and the summer thunderstorms rage on parents are worried where we've gone but my metal scooter home left it on the wall and the summer thunder

storms rage on Now that I'm older, I can still see things you say But I can wonder if you've grown into your face And I give everything to go back to that place I think we'll start remembering things now Laying in the backyard at my house I take a deep breath and then take a look around I think we'll start remembering things now

There is a swing set and a sandbox And I'll launch in my dog on the porch That's the thing I found the old dogs They just lie there They don't too much And when they put her down They'll take me out to watch Now that I'm all the right

I can still see things to say Look back in wonder if you've grown into your face and I gave everything to go back to your face ooh ooh-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oh. Ladies and gentlemen, madamez and monsieur, it's time to play future sport.

Then you're going to have to pay for your own bananas. The morning stream Goh-blug-B-B-U-G All right, we're back. Tell me again who that was, please. Sure, that is Sister Gemini and a brand new song called Scooter Song. Nice.

Bedroom, bedroom melodies. I like that. Bedroom pop. Bedroom indie pop. I don't even know what that means. Does it mean bedroom? I don't either. Like made it in your bedroom or it's good for...

I think so, right? Like it's not a full, like, lush arrangement. It's like her on a ukulele or something and... Okay. I'm, you know what? I'm going to... In a nighty. So pandemic music creation. I get it.

Right, exactly. Hello. We have to do it. Hello, Wendy. How are you? Hi. Oh, hi. Oh, I forgot to play this. Look who it is. It's my sister Wendy all the way from Minnesota.

Where I guess it's been really hot and humid, right? Like everywhere. Not so much. Maybe I'm just used to it. It just feels good. I mean, it's been hot, but it's hot everywhere, isn't it? Yeah, it's hot everywhere. It's 100 here today, but it's, there's no humidity, so it's kind of, you know, I just feel like I'm baking out there.

You're just like on the, the sear. I'm searing, yeah, I'm searing the outside. The royal setting. I like, I like medium rare when it comes to my body. Right. Well, Winnie knows what it's like to be white and not tan very well, but that's not what we're talking about today. We're going to talk about other stuff. my Wendy my Wendy is here

I don't call her my Wendy that'd be weird she comes on Thursday as we do some help for folks out there because she's an actual therapist unlike Brian and I we have we're licensed for nothing we play therapists on television but we're not actual therapists yeah that is correct I wear the white coat that's about it

I actually kind of want one of those but anyway that's a different story for a different time let's get to it Wendy poked me and said hey what do you think about coming up with something around the concept of defense mechanisms and had something happening. Everyone's defense. Yeah, everyone's very defensive right now.

And even this morning, I went walking the dog with Kim early around the lake and and it's all houses now. That lake is full of like $3 million houses because rich people seem to be doing fine. Anyway, I'm walking around there and everyone that we pass, I am automatically in this weird mode of it used to be you know we're always very friendly it's like oh good morning to whoever it is stranger it doesn't matter and they're almost always in the past oh good morning nice to see or whatever but it feels like in the last couple years people a little more like me you know they want they don't want to say good morning you just kind of want to keep their head down and

keep moving and so we we still do it we make sure we're saying good morning but now there's this feeling in the back of my head is that guy's not going to say good morning back right like i'll say hi to people i pass on the bike path if i you know right by them no matter walking, whatever, say, hey, on your left, and they go over, I say, thank you, have a good day. Yeah, they just don't want to talk. You too. Yeah.

What's so hard about that? Be a freaking human being. Anyway, so that's not what we're going to talk about, though. We're going to talk instead about this thing that I shared with Wendy. It doesn't seem like defense mechanisms. That just seems like a rant. Yeah, that's just me ranting. Which is one of the many defense mechanisms.

So I will, I will now expose myself as a. Well, let me do this. Before you tell the story, which I think will be great. I just want to define it. So we all are on the same page. Go ahead. Okay. So psychoanalysis Freud, this is where this term comes from.

This is kind of the origin from psychoanalytic theory. Okay. Okay. So it's basically the perspective that personality is made up, you know, of id, ego, super ego, okay? Right. And we have the unconscious. Maybe everyone's familiar with all the things I'm saying.

Okay. So the idea of a defense mechanism is that our unconscious or subconscious picks up on things that might lead to emotional harm. And then in order to protect us from that harm, it presents a defense mechanism. So it's a protective response to perceived harm. But that harm is picked up very subtly. It doesn't have to be really obvious, right? So, for example, walking by your neighbors and saying, hello, neighbors used to not feel like a threat, but now that your neighbor could actually secretly think in some crazy thing and

hate you or whatever, right? Like we now have these ideas because we've learned how people think on the internet that people around you may not be so safe anymore. And so there's a perceived, really sort of unconscious threat that maybe wasn't there before because we're tribal right so it's like a stranger walking into your tribe and you don't know if they're a threat or not but they don't look like you talk like you sound like you eat the same food as you whatever they're they're so different they are potentially a threat we've moved from those aren't the boundaries necessary those are still boundaries but it your tribe could look like

you and eat the same food as you and live in your neighborhood uh and not actually be in your Still not being a tribe, yeah. Yeah, so it really is this sort of unconscious and getting picked in. Okay, so we'll go through what all the types are after you tell the story. Okay. So I just want to get everyone on the same page. Okay, so this is brief. The other day on Twitter, so I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who was a policeman, a cop here in town, works for the Salt Lake PD.

And he's a uniformed cop and doesn't, you know, I figure what his beat is, but it's somewhere downtown, you know, part of town where there's some crime on the weekend. and stuff like that. And he is always telling me how he's trying harder than ever. I mean, his dream is to be a cop and he was a kid, and he's trying harder and ever to be the best possible person in that job and make a real difference. He wants to make a difference in communities. He wants to help kids. He's always volunteering for the stuff they ask cops for volunteering for, you know, helping people do fundraisers, all that sort of stuff. So he's always trying to do that stuff and he's actively trying to be a force for good and change within the department because no department is perfect certainly not in law enforcement these days and um i got i got

annoyed and kind of defensive of him because other people around him were just lumping him into this group of all cops are bad and so what i did is i got online and i farted out my my hot take of I think, you know, once again, you're just blanketing a thing without actually knowing anybody who does it. And so if you know people involved, it's much more complex. There's more nuance to this than just all cops suck. And boy, howdy, did I get reamed by the Twitter mob for this? Like, I got yelled at. And I made me even more defensive, at least at first, about people saying, you know, they were using simple examples of like, here's the problem.

if you're if you get four policemen and one of them does something awful on the job and three of the other policemen witness it and they don't do anything about it they're all bad cops and I understand that take I do I get it yeah and they help me understand that more by listening to some of the people online to you know giving me their their reasoning or whatever some people are just outright just freaking out the ones that the ones that explain their reasoning you know calmly and uh yeah intelligently yeah that happens once in a while but there were a few there were a few that were just like you know whatever they're always going to be those few but um anyway the the my point with all this is i just and i still to this moment i realize this might be coming from a position of naivete um but i just always hate this idea of everyone gets lumped into you know blanketing an entire group of what turns out to be actual people like these are people they're not robots they're not whatever you can you can say the system's broken you can say the management's busted, you can say that there's systematic issues across the board. And there are, there are 100% it is. But I also think it's fair to say there are some people. Maybe it's a lot less than I think, but there's some people in that world trying to do good work. And I got really

defensive about it because I know this guy and I know where his heart is. So to say that basically to me it felt like they were saying, well, your friends as bad as any cop because the whole thing's broken. The whole toilet needs to be flushed, basically is what people say. Right. You could say that about America. You could say that about a lot of things. There's a lot of things you could say about a lot of things. That's my point, actually, is that it's so complex and nuanced. It's just not as simple as saying it's all bad because you don't, how do you even know?

You don't know. I mean, we have a lot of high profile reasons to be very angry at the way police systems are being run. Hell, you live in the state where the biggest mess and recent memory happened in 2020 and caused some of the biggest riots we've ever had and the biggest protests and all that other stuff. So I know, especially right now, we're at a point where, you know, systematically massive, massive overhauling needs to take place. What police are actually responsible for, what they're actually committed to do in a community, stand around and not try to save those kids in Texas. Like, that's busted. It's just freaking busted.

I get all that. But I know this guy and I know his heart. And I know him and I know at least a couple of others, maybe not as well. But I know him for sure is not this guy. I know a listener who's a policeman who I do not think is the problem at all. So I got so defensive about this. And I don't know what that mechanism is in me that did that because the answer can't just be everybody's out. We're done.

Like when is that the answer? I don't know when that's ever the answer to anything. If that's the answer, that's just like scorched earth. You know, I don't know when you do that or how you do that. So I guess what I'm saying is, is that a. But, well, I guess we'll get to this and what kind of defense mechanism this is. But is that a normal one or was I up in the night? Was I crazy?

That's not a Freudian defense mechanism. That's a, well, okay, so we'll clarify the difference. But let's stick with that for a minute. You feel defensive because you know a person, right? And that's because you have access to your, a little data set. it's not big enough or scientifically rigorous enough to really prove anything other than it means you cannot just jump into one tribe or the other. So just let me share a brief thing.

If anyone has a fan of Hidden Brain, there was an episode recently that you should check out about sort of tribalism. And it's this researcher who she goes to a Yankees game wearing a box. Austin T-shirt with her date, who's a Boston fan, and she hates baseball and is not a fan of either, didn't care, but by the end is ready to get in a fist fight with the Yankees fan. And how she, and this is, her research is all about this, but just this very amazing, quick, tribal identity that we get into. So another example, she's done tons of research on this, and one being five minutes ago,

I assigned a group to wear red shirts and assigned a group to wear blue shirts. And within five minutes, I can get them to talk trash about the other ones. I can get them to demonize them to, you know, if something bad happens to someone wearing a red shirt and you're a blue shirt, you're finding joy in that. In fact, they can measure your facial muscles to see if you smile at all subtly when you hear something terrible happened to whoever your arch rival is. Yeah. I mean, we have this built in very quick. I mean, that sounds so stupid. Five minutes ago, you were assigned to a group.

They've done this with just separating people in rooms and saying, okay, there's a group of people in another room coming up with their ideas. Let's get them. You know, like we're immediately in the Thunderdome. Like, we're just, it's kind of a built-in thing. So you take this topic of a difficult, nuanced, problematic, systemic. I mean, there's so many underlying things happening here, and there's no all good people or all bad people anywhere. In fact, there's not even a person who's. all good or all bad let alone groups of people are all good or all bad um and so you you have all

of that and you get some information that makes you not tribal so you could go the other way around i bet i could the minute i said to you hey scott here's a group of people who think the police are the greatest thing that's ever happened and they're just keeping us from all the nightmare that would be without it and you need to praise them you'd be like yeah i would have i would That's funny. I hadn't even thought of it that way. I would course balk at that. So would my friend, by the way. He would be like, that works. And that's the conundrum is that. And this is what's hard about getting news from whatever source you decide is the right one is you do the one that feels good. And usually that feels like someone else is bad. Or you can, or what's the

word, predictability or feels safer to you. Because in the end, we're as human beings, our tribes are about safety, our relationships are about safety, which this is where it ties into these defense mechanisms. When we don't feel safe, our internal system has a bunch of things it can do to try to maintain safety. And in your case, it doesn't feel really safe to have everyone bash the police with no nuance either, right? You've benefited by living in a police state. Everyone has. you've also been harmed by it, but not as much as certain people have been harmed by it, right? And so everybody has some skin in the game in here somewhere, right? But if you take either one extreme position or the other, you're going to make someone feel unsafe.

And when people feel unsafe, they start to use certain techniques. Okay, so I want you guys to guess what techniques. So, Scott, you were defensive. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Not of the, by the way, not of the institution. I'm just offensive with my friend. who's a really good guy trying to do a nice job.

That's it. Defensive of nuance, right? You're defensive of like, hold on, can we think about this? And you're doing it in the medium of Twitter, which is like, so good at nuance, right? Yeah. No, I realize the forum that I'm in is not the best place for nuance. There's no question. And taking these examples of the, you know, the red and blue team t-shirts or the Yankees and Boston fans or the, you know, like the demonization of the other is the only way you can stay out.

that's how you stay out of nuance. Nuance means knowing somebody and connecting with somebody and having another piece of information about what's going on, right? Right. Anyway, so you defensive of your friend, that was protective. It was, this isn't fair. That's kind of more of an outward version of maybe some of these mechanisms. But we're going to get to some of the more internal ones.

Okay, so any guesses? Can you name, without Googling you two, name a common defense mechanism in terms of, you know, kind of this Freudian model. Is there a just walk away kind of, or, you know, ignore it and move on or a... Yeah. Ooh, you're getting close to number one. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, number one is denial.

Oh, sure. Okay. Yeah. I mean, the sort of repression is number two, and that's like not just not even seeing it. So you combined the firm number one and two. Pretty good. Nice. Excellent.

All right. And Scott, you got one you want to guess? Um, on a Freudian level. Defense mechanism. Um, my brain goes to people don't like being told what to do. So like, I don't know if we're close to anything there. But like in, even basic stuff like, I don't know. If your HOA says, you can't have rocks in your front garden, we're going to find you.

You get very defensive about that because you feel like the man's keeping you down. Gotcha. Good, good. Yeah, you're both tapping into, I mean, really common stuff, right? Yeah. Okay, so before we go, and I want us to go through it, we're going to go to the top most common ones, okay? Yeah. And we're going to find slight examples of each, just because I think it's, I think it's interesting for people to hear it outside of their internal world, and then they can kind of see it, right?

Yeah. That's what's so tricky about us as humans is our defense maker. make it so we can't always hear each other, right? Or we can't always see reality. Is that worse because we're doing a lot of it through keyboards and not? Yes, 100%. And you can see that as we go through. But I first want to just note what is problematic about these.

So sometimes defense mechanisms can actually serve you and help you get through life. Every one of us uses a defense mechanism when we get into a car. Yeah. Right? You don't have it when you get on a plane. it's gone. You're like, we're going to die, right? But you're not, probably.

But in a car, you might. But you have to have something in the happening that prevents you from seeing realities, right? And so we're using these to our advantage. Like, there's an advantage. I can live my life and drive my car around, I guess. But, you know, I wouldn't otherwise if I had to feel the real fear of that

every time I got in the car. Yeah. So this is, so sometimes these are helpful. Sometimes you learn them as kids and they really start to backfire as an adult. that kind of thing. But I want to just give you a quick list of how you know it's getting in your way and it's problematic. Okay. Okay. And you might hear these and go, oh, this is all of us in modern life. Okay, you're ready? Feeling sad or depressed, having difficulty getting out

of bed, avoiding daily activities, things are people that once made you happy. Yeah. Having difficult to forming or maintaining healthy relationships and communication problems that hinder your professional or personal life. So if you have any of those, you might be like, oh, that's depression. Well, sometimes overuse of these things can actually lead to this because it disrupts your life's life. What if you only got like one or two of those? What does that mean?

Okay. All right. So let's start with number one. This is the most common? Denial. Denial. It's the most common. Okay.

And it occurs when you refuse to accept reality or facts. So what does that look like? It's when somebody will basically block external events or circumstances. I mean, you've had conversations with people who can only hear what they want to hear. Oh, yeah, sure, yeah. And really, if you really think about what might be happening, it's that they just don't want to deal with the emotional impact. This is where I'm dangerous in conversations with people because I don't keep arguing my point to them.

I get real curious about where they got their point from. And that's really scary sometimes for people. Oh, they don't like it at all. They hate it. No, and it's because that's not what their plan was. The plan was to break down your argument, not to analyze their own. But really, I don't understand where they're coming from. So I had a conversation with someone once about Trump. They thought he was literally the savior. He was going to save all these children. And I just said, I don't understand what you're talking about. What is he doing for children? And I was sincere. Like, I don't watch your media, so I have no idea. Yeah. She's like, you know. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know. She's like, Google it.

I'm like, I can't Google Trump. He's like, I'm not going to get to it. So I just said like, no, truly help me understand what you really like about him. Well, she doesn't really like him. She can't. She doesn't. She just needed to fight. And I was like, oh, okay.

So then what I'm doing is, and this is dangerous, so I don't recommend it all the time, is I'm pulling down the denial part of like, there there are other options to think about here it's I'm right I have to be right and again come back to this safety piece yeah I am safe defending my my point because over here this feels important to me and for whatever reasons that may be right that and this is going to show up a lot in interpersonal relationships right like I just am not going to see the thing that's true in front of me you're like Jordan Kepler by the way yes what Jordan Kepler does for the, or Kepler, whatever it is. You know who I'm talking about

in the Daily Show? Totally. I have a hard time watching it because I'm like, oh, are you brave? Because this is what he does. He's doing this very thing. He'll turn it. He's not confronting and he's not argumentative. He's just letting them try to explain themselves into a whole. It's amazing. He's amazing. And it works with anyone who is holding so tightly to something as an identity and as fact or truth to feel secure. And we all do it. Nobody is immune from this, right? So you'll hear people say, oh, they're in denial. Like you know, you've met people in denial before. You know, you've seen it. You can picture it. But when you're the one in it, man, denial has a lot of houses in it. Like a lot of people live in there. Okay. So there's denial. All right. So

that one, I gave an example. So you guys have to give examples on the next ones. Okay. Repression is the second one. This is unsavory thought. painful memories, irrational beliefs that upset you. So instead of facing them or working through things or talking them through or getting help, you just choose to hide them, hoping they go away. So you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you are acknowledging that they exist. You're just choosing to like, let's forget about that. Yes.

And hoping they just fade or go away. Okay. And some of that might, I mean, okay, do you have any examples of this you can think of? You don't have to share your own, but just, like, repressing something. You just kind of want to go away. Probably do, but if I've repressed them, then I'm not going to. Yeah, talk about someone else. Right, yeah.

I mean, what about the people who just want COVID to go away? It's a big general one, though. But that's a form of denial. It's like, whatever, it's like the flu. I'm not going to stop my life for this. I'm just going to, you know, that whole thing. Is that a form of that? I mean, I think.

So, or maybe even on, like, more individual levels, you could find a large number of people who maybe they're grown up or are very religious and they repress sexual thoughts or they repress negative thoughts that, you know, are like, I'm a bad person because I think this, you know, that type of thing. That can be a really common form of this, you know, yeah, just where you're not supposed to, or you've been through something, you know, rough and it's still a person in your life who is maybe abusive to you or something, and you just, I mean, it's too painful to see your mother at family dinner every week and really think about what, how she treated you

when you were younger or something, right? So that repression. So this is a very common thing people work on in therapy is stuff they've been trying to shove down. And it will cause problems, right? It's never a good thing. Okay. So this is one. This is one that's fun. This is projection. I feel like this should be bumped to number one. Projection should.

It feels like projection has moved up in the ranks to me, but. It really has. It's not a number one. Taking the lead. Okay, so projection. I'll define it. And then I want you to think of some that you've seen. Some thoughts or feelings you have about another person or group that make, make you

uncomfortable. But then you project those feelings and misattribute them to the other person. right so example is you dislike your new co-worker but instead of accepting that you choose to tell yourself that they dislike you oh i see everything they do you're interpreting as sure you can do this with yourself too right like something you hate about yourself and you project it onto somebody just to pile on to something you might not like about them yeah yeah yeah i think so i think that's totally it um is this the same thing as when i hate to go big or go home here but like if you're if you're let's say you're a preacher and every week you tell your congregation that gay people are terrible

and drugs are bad and then on the weekend after you know on the on the days that you're not up in the podium you're um piring male prostitutes and taking meth as an example that's a that's a pretty that's projection right i mean that's literally you living away and then telling everyone else they're doing it and you're projecting it on to yeah that's what i always think of i know it's an extreme example. It's what I always think of when someone says projection is they they are judging somebody or giving somebody else crap for a thing that they actually do. Which it can be minor even. It can be just nothing. It could be like, oh, I'm on Twitter saying that guy in traffic was a butthole, but also I'm probably a butthole sometimes in traffic,

you know, like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, totally. That's projection. The next one kind of explains a piece of it too. Right. And so you can look at historical examples of, you know, Like the woman who started Mothers Against Driving eventually worked for Budweiser. Like what? You know? Like there's some, and this is everybody, right? I don't talk about abortion, but there are plenty of Republicans who have had abortions and or had their girlfriends get abortions or, you know, like, okay, it's good for us, but not for somebody else. Like those are the examples of like, I can't actually feel the feeling of disliking my coworker because that makes me a bad person.

so I flip it, so it's tolerable. So it's not weird. It's more comfortable to be disliked in your making up of the story than it is to actually dislike the person. And so you can see how this might happen in lots of ways. So displacement is number four, and that's fairly similar. It's where you are, like it's an example of having a bad day of work and then taking it out on somebody else. You're displacing your experience or emotions onto someone else's. So that's why, you know, I'm always suspect when anyone is exploding online about something,

if you got curious and compassionate and they would talk to you, you would find there is a reason that that vitriol's coming out. And it's because there was vitriol that came in at some point. And it may be projection. It may be displacement. It may be a bunch of these different things. But if you think about how this impacts your relationships, imagine you're projecting your feelings on other people on a regular basis. Yeah.

It means you aren't in connection with your own feelings. And you can't have a real relationship with someone who cannot connect to their own emotional thing. And let alone that, they then put on you whatever the heck they're actually feeling. So you're not a real person. I had an experience that I can't believe I didn't tell on the show. It's actually a long time ago. So I would have to have to remember it. But I just thought of it.

There was some time ago, I don't know, probably 15 years ago or something, I was driving. And the person in front of me, I thought was being so stupid. like pumping their brakes when they shouldn't going too slow i try to change lanes they move over like just being the dumbest traffic ever right and i finally got to a place where i could get out and pass them and get in front of them and i do that and i didn't flip them off or anything but i look over at him and i'm going to give him this face and kind of you know mouth like learn how to drive or whatever yeah and it's a guy i know who is the sweetest nicest man he's older really nice guy who was like always super sweet he would mow our lawn no one would ask or say or do it like just the

nicest neighbor guy that I and I knew him um and it just hit me in the face I was like oh my gosh it's that guy and why I would never say anything bad to him I don't care how bad he drives it doesn't matter like I already I already know he's great what am I doing and then I felt like the biggest idiot that day because I just was like you know I was I was as mad at him as I was any stranger ever in traffic. And then I'm like, oh, no, this is like being mad at my, my grandpa or something. You can't do that. But maybe someone should get his license. Yeah. I mean, you know, the truth, the technical truth is maybe he was driving beyond his years. But my point is, you know, like I'm no longer mad. In fact, if anything, I was like suddenly

compassionate. I was like, oh, no, oh, shoot. Well, maybe I should help him. You know, like I had this different reaction because that knowledge of who he was. And by the way, I'm making this face. and he looked back at me and smiles and waves. It was a really weird. It's a really weird memory for me. Was it a quick, like, adjustment of like, oh, yeah, it's you. What's up?

You know, like, I'm glad it. Did you have BRF? So he might just be thinking, oh, that's Scott. Yeah. I do have BRF or RBIF. That's your cover, man. Yeah. I do have a grumpy face.

You have a helpful face. I got the grumpy one. Thanks a lot, Mom. I'm happy to get that thing off the top of the shelf for you again. Okay, so that's a great story. Yeah, I think, yeah, projection. But projection is I'm late and this guy's a terrible driver and the fury that you should feel it yourself

or dinking around and being late goes towards someone else and then gets exemplified or, you know, amplified because you're entrusted. Right? So projection is happening all day long for all of us. And displacement similarly is very common where we're just getting whatever feeling or frustration we have towards something else. take it out on who's ever easier to take it on on. So you can't take it on your boss or you lose your job.

So you go home and, you know, berate your child for not doing the dishes. Sure. And so you can see how these types of ways to handle our emotions are dangerous, right? Yeah. Because it starts to interact, impact your relationship with your kid, which has nothing to do with them. Your bad day at work has nothing to do with that kid, but now it does. And so you can see how this gets more and more traumatic.

That's time going on. Okay, number five is regression. Regression, okay. Yeah. So this is essentially, and it's really easy to see this with younger children, but it's when somebody who feels threatened or really anxious, they may unconsciously escape to an earlier stage of development. So a kid, you'll see, like, something stressful happens.

They go get their binky in their blanket that they haven't used in years. Right. Or wetting the bed, sucking their thumb. Those are like really obvious forms of child regression. But adults can do this too. And it's not, it's just that, again, that nurturing safety, you know, fetal position, right? Maybe holding on to your stuffed animal again or comforting foods, overeating comforting foods can be a form of this, right?

Something with chewing or, you know, chewing on a pencil or a pen or smoking, those kind of mouth behaviors. sometimes can be regressive acts. And then a really common version of regression is just like, I'm just going to stay home and play video games and watch TV and not do anything. Like, just feeling overwhelmed. And so you regress to a state of not adulthood, right? And we all do it. We all feel this.

Sounds really good right now. Yeah, I know, right? It's very tempting. And, you know, we worry when we watch a kid do it, but I just think it's so common among adults we've stopped. Paying. Yeah. Okay.

So rationalization, this is, these are the, there's a couple here that are going to hit home for most people. So rationalization is, you know, I think we use this more commonly in language, right? But it's when people attempt to explain undesirable behavior with their own set of facts, right? Yeah. So it lets you feel comfortable with the choice you made, even if you know on another level, it was not a good decision. Right. So do you guys have an example? examples of rationalization. Any rationalization you've done lately? Lately? Well, here, I'll give me an example. You didn't get a promotion at work. No. And then you say to yourself, well, I didn't want it anyway. You tell people you didn't want it. Sour grapes approach. Oh, that's okay. That's an interesting one. You just change the facts to make yourself feel better. Yeah, I got one. Okay. So I got fresh blood work done.

And I knew going into this blood work that my last three months were not the three months I was hoping to provide to my physicality. I had goals and I didn't reach them. And I also cheated a bunch and on what kind of food I ate. My blood work came back high, high on my A1C again, not super high like dangerous high, but high enough to like, I regressed basically to use that word again. And I know what I have to do to fix it. but my initial reaction was well i mean look at the world look at all the stuff we're dealing look at it no wonder i satinate that bag of chips that night of course of course i have to do i have to eat like this because i'm coping with what's going on in the world exactly like you know and then i was

like oh this isn't my fault somehow i lost two pounds in three months but this is still a problem i mean it was all my own fault but i still had these feelings of like well where else can i push some of this regret that isn't me. Yeah, because that's hard to have the full weight of responsibility on your shoulders. And yet, and if you think of, and I keep bringing this back to relationships contextually, right? Yeah. Like, you rationalize your bad behavior and you do it so much. You start to see that, like, other people, you're not taking responsibility for your life.

You're not as trustworthy. you're maybe um the other person just doesn't know what you really i don't know like you're not you're just not taking accountability and that has impacts in any relationship right um so and we're really convincing right like i'm always late leaving out the door i'm always the last one i've done a million stupid things on the way out like literally one time i was mopping as i walked out Like, it's just how I get crap done in my life, and it means I'm late, and everyone's in the car waiting. And I get in the car, and I'm instantly like, let me tell you all the things I've done, you know? And Adam's just quiet.

And he's just like, yep, I know. And it's so I don't have to take responsibility for making everyone like. I get to be the hero for having mopped the kitchen floor or whatever. And so it's funny how this can just sort of build in your life. And you may not realize the damage that it does. I realize the damage it does, but I still do it. So no judgment. Okay.

Number seven, sublimation. Have you heard this one before? No. Not without the word die before it. Di sublimation. Die sublimation. Okay. So this type of defense mechanism is considered a mature positive strategy.

That's because people who rely on it choose to redirect strong emotions or feelings into an object or activity that is appropriate and safe. So, for example, instead of lashing out of your coworkers during a stressful shift, you choose to channel your frustration into your kickboxing class. So the difference between I have a bad day at work and I go home and I kick the dog, I go home and I kickbox, right? So you funnel or redirect the feelings into music, art, sports, you sublimate, rather than letting it destroy relationships.

So it's like positive redirection. Yep. Okay. So that's a good thing. Maybe you guys do it. That's number seven. So that's a good thing. You should do that, right?

Okay. Yeah. So number eight, reaction formation. This is people use this when they recognize how they feel, but they choose to behave in the opposite manner of their instincts. So it would be, an example might be, let's see, they feel they, you feel like you shouldn't express any negative emotions like anger or frustrations. So instead, you react in overly positive ways. So I don't know if you've ever done. done this, but you've surely been around someone who has.

Oh, yeah. You know, it's a great example is the page on 30 Rock. Oh, 30 Rock. Kenneth, yeah. Kenneth is a person who has reaction formation. Right. Okay, yeah. Yeah, okay.

That's the devil's temperature. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. So this one is really common. The next two are probably, I think, should be one and two. Well, I think projecting should be one.

I think nine and ten are really pretty common, especially in modern life. So compartmentalization. So sometimes you think this is all good, right? Oh, yeah. No, people praise compartmentalization, but it hasn't been my experience. It's just holding it back until it explodes. Yeah. So it's really just putting your life into independent sectors to protect each part from each other and essentially like, you know, keeps these these lines.

minds and so to keep you safe. So an example might be you never talk about your personal life at work or you block off or compartmentalize work from your. Politics or religion or anything like that. And some of that we have to do nowadays, don't we? Tina's a new job is working with adult protective services and she sees kind of the horrific ways that people treat their grandparents are just, you know, like taking advantage of them like, oh, grandma, let me go ahead and help.

help you with your bank account. Can I have your account number and password and all that? Lame. And so I don't know how Tina comes home and is still positive and is still cheerful because she doesn't appear to be compartmentalizing. She will talk about her work and she will talk about these things and still be like, you know, but I help five people today or I, you know, really felt good to help this one person and she just does this amazing job of, I don't know if that is Well, maybe she's doing it. She's processing with you. Yeah, that's the key, I think, isn't it?

And it can lead to, well, I was just because it can lead to some beneficial compartmentalization. Like, if we had every ER professional take their work home every minute, they can't function in their lives. And this is why you have compassion burnout. And this is why you have, you know, folks in these intense situations that just can't keep doing it. Like, it's really, so it's necessary on one hand. I think when we get to the extreme of compartmentalization, you start to block off emotionally or, you know, like there can be other challenges.

But it can be beneficial. Some people just can't even do it. And some people do it, maybe a little too much. I can't do it. Kim can do it. That is the simplest way to describe Kim and I and how we differ in that one way. She is very good at tucking everything away in the compartment

it was meant for, and I cannot do that. I am processing 100% of the time. I process all day. Like, I'm going to go up after this show and go, how was the show? It was great. We talked to Wendy. We did this. We did this.

And I'm going to process. And she's going to be like, I'm busy. Leave me alone. I don't know. Right. End up with your list. Yeah. Okay, so the final one is intellectualization.

And this one's interesting because I work with, a number of very brainy people who are paid and praised and have been praised since they were precocious youngsters to intellectualize everything. And so it is real tough to get through sometimes. And this is when you are hit with a trying situation and you are just trying to remove all emotions from your responses, just focus on facts, you know, make a surprise.

spreadsheet that's going to that's going to solve the problem you know that type of thing sure and that gets you in trouble in some of the sort of the requirements to have emotional connection um but it's really powerful stuff it you know you get praised it's hard when some of these things are praised and they don't allow you to have other things that are healthy in your life because everyone need you to be this or that because that's what you've been to them or whatever right they've compartmentalized you. I mean, parents do it. We label our kids and, you know, growing up, that was super obvious in our house. Everybody had a label. And it seemed fun in a way to go, oh, he's my sensitive one, or she's my smart one, or she's my helpful one, or she's the rebellious

one or whatever. That's fun when your neighbors are over. But your kids hear it. And then they think that's what they are. And then they actually become that thing. And if you're lucky, you're, you know, you were one of the positive labels. I guess. I don't know. Even then, now you got something to live up to and yeah yeah but then you can't be something else right like exactly it's pretty weird yes okay so those are the fun top 10 and so if anyone's listening you're like wait well you know i realize i'm doing one of these things yeah and i am also feeling crappy or having trouble in my relationships or i'm communicating poorly at work or at home you know it would be worth if you're seeing a therapist to bring it up and talk about some of them or you know get to know this a little bit better

What's really helpful, so my early training was with sex offenders, and this was crucial to their care, was to really go deep into defense mechanisms. Because, you know, they have behaved, they have behaved in ways that they found even repulsive and hated themselves, you know, so they're not all one thing. And so you'd have to figure out how do you go from, you know, how you see yourself. to doing something so horrendous, how do you recover? And a big piece of that was to really look at how are you using these mental mechanisms to protect yourself from hard truths, hard feelings, hard stuff and like really learn to sort of stop using those things and allow yourself to feel. It's tricky. And this is why, you know, Tina's amazing. There is some hard work people have to do in every community out there that goes usually unfunded,

underfunded, but just that humans can do some things to each other that are not okay. And that damage, especially when it starts in childhood, has this impact of just feelings aren't safe. It's not okay to be scared. It's not okay. Your voice isn't heard,

et cetera, et cetera. And your psyche builds all these ways to protect yourself, you know, going forward. So, Yeah, these are a thing you're doing. There's a reason and someone can usually help you with it. There you go. Defense mechanisms, everybody.

Take all that advice, compartmentalize it and then... Find the one that's right for you. No, that's great. I don't know. I felt like I needed some closure on my Twitter fiasco this week with this thing with my cop buddy. So redirect it and get a punching bag. There you go. And put a big blue bird on it.

And the question, too, I mean, this is, to go back to that, there is some healthy ways to handle it, there is some. Yeah, yeah. But there is also, I mean, curiosity kills the argument, you know, where it's just like, okay, so tell me what has happened in your own life that got you to this conclusion. Yeah, I got to do that more. There's a lot of white people who have never had one bad interaction with a cop who are feeling like good allies. and jumping to the defense of others and, you know, trying to do all of that thing. But, you know, what is their reason

that they're feeling that way? And then what do you do when your neighbor across the street's an awesome guy and he's a cop? How do you rectify that? Our brains are kind of crappy to do anything that isn't tribal, protectionistic, et cetera. It takes effort.

It takes communication. It takes exposure. It takes actually looking. The irony is when people say, do your research. Like, it really would be great if people did open-minded research that isn't just finding what you already believe. It's like talking to another human. And this is why we have research, right? In the end, we have to, you've got to talk to a thousand people for it to feel valid because one person isn't, you know, enough. So, I mean, there are versions

of, are you being curious? Ask yourself, the next time you're in a Twitter fight, are you being curious at all about where that other person came to this position? And most of the time, We are not. We are in full armor mode. Yeah, almost 100% of the time. We're not. Right. And that's because you don't have a face and you don't have a person and you don't have to go to the store with them next week.

You know? And so it's really tricky. I know what I'm saying is like almost ridiculous because it's really hard to do. Yeah. But there is a version of, and even in your own personal life and people you are connected to, if you stop trying to make your point and try to understand them first, it's shocking what will happen. A, their thing will fall apart, or they will have a very good reason that you will get. And not that it'll change your mind, but you'll get.

You'll get that they're afraid that the police will be taken away. And what will they do to feel safe? Because this is how they felt safe. Oh, all right. Versus your danger to the rest of us because you still want to feel safe. Now, there's other nuances. I mean, nuance is dead and lesbian. Okay.

Nuance and irony are sharing a great. I like to act hopeful and then it breaks apart. Yeah. Well, it's good, though. This is a good topic. I really enjoy this one. So I'm glad you, uh, we, we kind of last minute at it, too, but it's one of my favorites. I mean, we're going to always jump in with psychological principles that are a little, uh, underrepresented in, in conversations.

Yeah. So if we don't have one of your emails one week, you guys, we'll find a way. Nature finds a way. We'll get weird. So you might want to send in some emails. Yeah. Get those emails in here before we get too weird. that email address is the morning stream at gmail.com or if you're already connected with

Wendy's stuff you can always contact her and let her know whatever however we get them we'll get them and we'll talk about them here on the show uh Wendy this weekend is of course the big dumb 24th of July holiday thing and everyone's coming over but you and that makes me sad but I hope you guys have a nice safe I mean I wasn't even invited maybe I would have come um I doubt that but you know if you did it would have been great um but John already texted and says what's the main dish and I'm like I don't know so I'm going to to try not to be defensive. You should.

And make some type of Asian dish. Yeah. Kim almost did that. She almost said, we're making Sharshuka or some kind of weird, you know, psycho thing that he would not, he would think is on a different planet because he hates anything. If it's not pasta and boring American food, he's out. So.

That's so funny. It's a good deterrent. There is a defense mechanism there. Yeah. We'll see how it goes. Anyway, my best to all of you and whatever statehood day you guys have in Minnesota, which is probably a lot more, less fireworky. But enjoy that. We'll talk to you next week.

Have a good one. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. All right. There's a good one today. I really enjoyed that.

Yeah. Yeah. Next week is going to be an interesting animal with Vegas. Like how, because I have a road microphone. That's so weird to me. It is weird. I don't know how July, whatever. I know I complain about time.

It flew by. Get it. But anyway, yeah, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. I've got a road microphone that I can use in the hotel room. We'll just have to figure out timing and that sort of thing. Yeah, we'll figure it at you guys. We'll do our best, our very best. The Wednesday is going to be tricky. The Wednesday may not be me. Yeah. If not, we'll either get a guest or we'll figure out something. Yeah. But I'm excited for your trip and you dodging COVID balls the whole time you're there.

Dancing, what is it, dodging rain drops or something like that? Yeah. How's it going? That's a great story. song. It is a great song. It's a great song. It's dodging rain drops. Oh, it's that band. I love that.

Who is that? Now it's going to bug me. Oh, 311 is 311. Yeah, yeah. It's a really good song. All right. That's it for the show. Everybody, thank you for being here.

Quick note, we got a bunch of shows coming up. Core tonight at 530. Course Coverville today. One still, right? 1 p.m. Mountain time. So watch for that. That'd be great.

Mountain time. If you guys want a big roundup of what I did with that steam deck, core is the show to check in on tonight. Oh, cool. Yeah, it'd be good to see that. There will be a guest to connection tomorrow before the couch party. So 2 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.tv. slash Coverville.

So win a prize before you come to the couch party. And I can tell you the prize, because it got the person who won last time was out of the U.S. So the prize includes those Mario's salt shakers, Mario and Luigi salt and pepper shakers. And I know you have a set of those. They're awesome. Yeah, I love those things. They're great. I wish Luigi was making.

and a side-eye kind of Luigi face. It's salt. Hey, Mario. Anyway, so there's that. Then this weekend film sack, we're doing the Transporter 2. Yeah, I watched it last night. Is it better or worse than the first? Is it?

Some of each, right? There's some parts that are better. There are some parts that are worse. And there is one scene that that just had me saying no freaking way more than deflecting a missile with a tray with a metal tray

more than deflecting a missile with a metal tray there is one thing that that I can't wait to talk about that happens I can't believe there's something weirder than that okay I'm looking forward to it yeah and like you mentioned for patrons we got the couch party on Friday

3 p.m. we're doing the first two episodes of Loki yeah that's right Loki you heard us Loki. Oh my gosh, Scott. We're breaking your Loki streak. Yep. Breaking my Loki Street. I'm glad you didn't say something else. Anyway, so that's- Your Loki, Terry. There you go. That's what you're meant to say. Patreon.com slash TMS is how you support the show. And if you're looking for everything else, it's over at frogpants.com slash TMS. We mentioned it before, but we'll say it again. Our email is the morning stream at gmail.com. You are all welcome to use that any time you want. That's going to do it. Brian, we've got to play them out, though. And I know you prepared some sort of request here. What do we got?

I've prepared it. I've served it up, heated it, warmed it on the hot plate. And this one is going out to Ferry Viking. Hello, Covermaster, and Mr. Johnson. My birthday is July 25th. Back in 2014, I sent in a birthday request at a point when a lot was about to change. The woman I proposed to is now my wife, and I could not be happier about it. I left my hometown and a job I loved to get my degree at the age of 40 back in 2015.

I graduate in 2019 with honors. Now I'm getting ready to shake things up again in hopes that fortune favors the bold one more time. I'm accepting a job offer that will relocate the both of us and create a host of new opportunities. Having said all that, a TMS birthday request seems like the perfect tradition to set off on the next set of adventures with my lovely wife. My request, this go-round, is a cover by one of the few bands that Heather and I both agree on, A-Wall Nation. They released a cover album this year and did a fantastic cover of Take a Chance on Me, since she took a chance, and my new employer did as well. This seems particularly poetically perfect. If you could plug this one in the 25th or somewhere near it, I would be ever so grateful.

TMS remains one of the things that I look forward to on a regular basis. So a big thank you to Scott, Brian, the TMS All-Stars, and the Tadpool. Thank you all for providing some positive energy in this crazy world we live in. Hopefully it's not too early for a test, the ship's bacon, cheddar ranch scooters. Oh, man. He wants it all. Good luck. He wants it all.

Okay, hold on here. That last one should take Scott a minute if he can find it at all. so here's this one. Let's test the ship's phasers. What was the other one? Tender Krisp Bacon, Cheddar Ranch. What else was it? Not really for a fish sandwich. Too early.

Hey, too hard to get a fish sandwich. And then what? Now the pieste resistance. Scooters. Oh, scooters. Shit. You're right. It is harder.

Hold on. I'm going to find it. It's so old. It is old. Okay, I found it. Oh. That won't offend nobody. No, it's just a lady.

We got scooters Once again Oh no no I did find it We got scooters No it's another Sorry I don't have the lady All right You got a little bit of these kids

That's fine Oh that's all you get Love the show though Free Viking And happy birthday Give him a happy birthday Okay we can do that Oh real quick here though

That scooters one with this little Sebastian voice This one We got scourers So that kid's probably what Three at the time That was 2011 That was 2011

That's 2011 That would make him, sorry, what would that make him? 11 years, 14. 14 years old. Think of that. All right. Anyway, oh, happy birthday. Sorry, hold on.

We got to play that one. There you go. Done. That's the best one. All right, Awall Nation and Jewel. Yeah, Jewel got together for this one. This is from the, My Echo, My Shadow, My Covers, and Me, which came out this last year, one of my favorite cover albums of the year.

be my favorite. We'll just have to see when the end of the year rolls around. Here is Abbas, take a chance on me. All right, that's it. We'll see you guys soon on the weekend for you patrons. Everybody else we'll see you on Monday. Bye now. If you change your mind, I'm the first in line.

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