The Morning Stream - TMS 2331: Peanut in Bed

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

The cleanest rock in Utah. Zoe Brings the Red-on-air light. Torso Pillow Man. Whats his power? Hugs! How does Space Force Work? You're a collapsing version of me. Dink More Pineapple Juice. Hourglass half full. This Panic too shall pass. Space Junk Larger Than a Marble. I need a break, you're too nice. Don't Yuck Somebody's Yum. Even if it's very yucky. Pooperation for later. You want Choco in your Taco? Scanning Our Noggins with Bill. Space Katamari Damacy with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hugs. How does Space Force work? You're a collapsing version of me. Dink more pineapple juice. Hourglass half full. This panic too shall pass. Space junk larger than a marble. I need a break. You're too nice.

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I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian Abbott. Hi, Brian. That's right. Oh, my gosh. She gave him my last name. Now I'm going to get hounded. You're half-doxed.

Now we just need the address. Give us your phone number. Give us your social security number. My address is one, two, three, main street, any town, USA. That's right. Come on by. See? We're back.

We got a show. It's Tuesday. We're doing stuff. We hope you're all well, wherever the freak you are. And, you know, hope you're okay. You know, I don't know. Like, you know, it's a precarious world we live in. You just want to make sure everybody's, you know.

That's true. Good point. All right. Good point. I hope you're all safe. Yeah, safe, listening in the, in the, whatever preferred method you have. Whatever preferred position.

You like to listen to a sin. If it's curled up in a fetal position on the floor or sprawled out on the couch, whatever, you know. I just realized I say preferred instead of preferred. It should be preferred, right? PR, not perfect. No. Preferred?

It's P-R-E, preferred. P-R-E. Yeah, I put it, I, but I did it perfered. Oh, yeah. You said, yeah, don't say preferred. Yeah, I do it backwards. You get some sort of prevert. Yeah, I'm a, how perverted of you?

Yes. All right. So, I'm going to lay my, I'm going to lay my soul out today a little bit. Oh, no. Okay. Bear it. A little bit. Just going to bear it.

I'm not, you know, it's nothing new for me because I've talked about it on the show before. But if you didn't know this, Scott Johnson here has experienced since he was a kid, occasional panic attacks. It's just in me. It's just happened. and usually out of nowhere it's not any kind of lead up it's not like you know hey i did a thing that stressed me out therefore panic attack it doesn't work that way can't predict when they're when they're going to happen no they just happen and you know what that's it's okay because after that much time dealing with it uh you kind of learn you you learn how to deal with it and you learn to

recognize it and it's really not as bad as they were when you didn't know what the hell's going on and uh anyway for some reason yesterday massive one just out of nowhere really having a day getting stuff done had a great show with you went on to get a bunch of other crap going busy day you know but otherwise uneventful and then suddenly out of nowhere massive panic attack and it's the kind of thing that just like gives me tunnel vision makes me shake it's awful it's really bad but because i know what they are i can sort of do whatever i got to do i can get through it right now these were brand new and like out of nowhere i would probably gone to the er or something Right, exactly.

But the fact that you've experienced them before, you know, it's like, all right, this two shall pass. Yeah, this two shall pass. It doesn't feel like it at the time, I'm sure. Like, it doesn't feel like it's going anywhere. Yeah. And it's kind of genetic-y in my family. There's lots of history of it. Anyway, so here's what I did.

This is the part that I wanted to tell everybody about because who cares about this? Because I've had them all the time. It might sound a little weird, but here's what I do. Yesterday, for some reason, my brain just said, hey, let's go outside during this let's take a bottle of windex with us and let's just spray a rock let's go outside there's a big old rock stone in the backyard that has been there since we moved in you can't move it let's just take some wind decks normally used for cleaning windows let's take that out there and just randomly a giant rock that's how interesting that's how i dealt with it is that

weird that's a little weird isn't it it's weird it's weird yeah i've never i've never heard this method of kind of uh i've never done it before so this was new yeah um and i i think what it is is my when this happens i just sort of need to find a thing a small task a task there you go yeah a small task and then focus on it sure exactly and i could have you know i could have said well i should focus on my office it's freaking a mess right now i should do that sure or whatever but no it was like nope get out into the sun get out into the open air let's long you know the dog will be out there let's just spray a little windex on a rock and Carter you know the rock the one over there

that Rainer's always jumping on to Bark of the neighbor dog behind the fence So it's a dog It's a rock big enough support of dog Oh yeah big old big old rock This is no pebble large rock The little dog Moira couldn't get up there But Rainer couldn't jump up there no problem

Interesting okay Yeah so there's that What have you thought of doing that before Or what made you think of No of cleaning a rock I don't even know I didn't even take like a rag or anything to wipe it with it was just spray it and watch it evaporate like that's the other thing is it didn't know you are

you're the shittiest rock cleaner i am never hiring you to clean my rocks i know you'd think i would at least bring a rag or something right exactly something yeah so i went out there with uh so here's here's how i think it happened i looked up and just on the counter was this glass cleaner and i went yeah okay i'm taking that and i'll take it outside and let's just spray this rock yeah okay all right it was just like i mean you knew you knew that you needed to do some sort of task, focus on a task, completely separate from everything else that. Yeah, and it makes it go away. Just like makes it, makes it pass. It's not immediate, but it's like a nice little ebb and flow. That's really interesting. And then I was fine. The rest of the day,

just fine. No big deal. Oh, this has to be when Wendy, because I know Wendy's out this week, but this has to be a Wendy thing at some point. Yeah, we should bring it up. Actually, that's a great point. It's brilliant. Yeah, maybe she knows. Maybe there's a thing, maybe there's a word for this, or a book she'll make us read or something. Did you have, or a test, an online test that she'll make pay for that she's probably getting some sort of commission for is uh do you feel like it helped make the panic attack pass faster than they have in the past oh yeah yeah definitely i mean but it but it's always something like this it's just usually something more practical like um you know i might go i don't know i remember one time i went and just got in the car sat there for a second

and then got out of the car that was a little weird but it worked um sometimes i just take the dog on a walk that's a great way to clear it it's just a stupid freaking sucks just don't clean the dog with windex don't don't try and combine all these things no i'll never do that well maybe i will i don't know we'll see we'll see if there you know if it's ever bad enough maybe the dog could use a little uh maybe the dog could use a little bit of wash uh the getting out in the fresh air as claire's pointing out it's probably you know very helpful to any of these things that you do for a for a panic attack just getting outside a changing your environment but be also the fresh air yeah i think the environment thing's a big one um yeah kind of

trying to put your brain somewhere else really is right right so if someone at home can hear this and go hey that's a not a bad idea i'm not saying go spray a rock but i'm saying you know if you haven't if you deal with these and i know plenty of people who do uh do that i know people who have who get them in just like during these last couple years of weirdness like suddenly they came out of nowhere they would get panic attacks probably due to you know pandemic reasons and all this other stuff yeah um those people i feel terrible for because they don't have like a lifetime of having experienced it and it's very unpleasant like you think you're dying uh if you don't know any better the other downside of it is this is where my brain goes if you have them enough and they feel

like you're dying and you get good at managing them how would you know if a real problem was happening you know what I mean oh I sure I mean like what if you were actually dying doesn't doesn't would you be able to would you confuse a panic attack with a real problem I mean yeah yeah it happens all the time like that's the problem with them is that

they feel like heart attacks they feel like um oh oh oh oh I see what you're saying like a real like a real medical problem yeah like a real emergency medical problem oh sure some of them feel like you're having a stroke or you just had a you know your your your head you'll

you get sudden migraine on the left side and you're sure it's like a you know you burst a vein or whatever i guess if you if you do your regular you know do the things that you've figured out going outside spraying a rock whatever yeah and it doesn't seem to be helping take the dog out for walk etc then it's like okay yeah let's this is something more serious let's let's go yeah that's true yeah the hard part is being logical in the moment but you can yeah of course of course so it's Do you tell, do you tell Kim every time you've got one, like, hey, having a panic attack right now? Oh, yeah, sure. Like, there have been times where her and I are somewhere, and I'll just be, she'll feel my hand tighten around hers a little bit.

And she'll go, she'll look at me and go, you have them one? I'm like, yeah. But I can usually just sort of, like I say, most people can't even tell that I'm, that it's happening. It's just happening, you know. And a lot of you out there, anyone out there who's gone through these, you know, A, you know what this feels like. And B, you also know that it's extremely difficult to describe for anyone who hasn't had them. And some people are like, well, I've been nervous before. And it's hard for me to explain.

It's just not the same. It's like I don't know how to explain it. It's like if there was suddenly somebody just ran up to you and put a gun in your face, that would produce these feelings, right? But when there's nobody there with a gun in your face and those feelings still happen, that's it. That's what it is. It's like this sense of like complete doom, utter doom is happening right then. And so if you're not used to them or you haven't figured out ways to cope, they can be just devastating to you get anything done.

It can lead to horrible depression, like all that other stuff. But if you can recognize them for what they are, usually it's just like, oh, shit, this again. Okay, hold on. Wow. Yeah, I guess I've never, I haven't experienced. I've had, I've had anxiety and I've had what I thought were panic attacks, but I think compared to what you're describing, it's like, okay, I just had some, some major anxiety and not, like, anything on the level of panic attack. What you described that one time in Vegas going up to get the awards that one year, do you remember that? Oh, yeah.

The way you describe that, that's as close as it sounds like, that sounds a lot like it. profuse sweating the the uh walls were closing in kind of the peripheral vision was starting to go gray like it's a taste of it for sure no no doubt yeah did you get like that was the funny head guy time that was that was the um that was the hall of fame award the hall of fame award when they called you up right to go get yours and you know what easily could have been some sort of imposter syndrome thing there easily well that's usually a part of it sure but like did you get did you get little tingly fingers or anything like your extremities yeah oh yeah totally you you had as close to cold cold and clammy everywhere yeah that's pretty close to what i'm describing okay so that might have been an actual

panic attack but in that case but in that case you've got actual stimuli to say this is causing me to fill this way as opposed to out of nowhere yeah the out of nowhere is the is the debilitating shit part and you know one would expect to have you know your first time on a roller coaster you should be nervous should be a little freaked out like that all makes sense but if you're just at dinner and suddenly you're gripped by it it's like what the hell man carter carter defines it better right what i had was an anxiety attack as opposed to a panic attack yeah an anxiety attack brought on by panic but not necessarily an out-of-nower panic attack yeah they sound like things that should be similar or the same they're so different anyway so there you go everybody my new advice

wind decks a rock when you feel that one coming on that's great get that happening all right Brian, yesterday you spoke about being at the airport and faking a phone call to go in and do your business. So that hopefully no one would tow my car while I took a massive, while I wrecked the airport bathroom. Maybe your story stuck around in my head and created a false panic attack. You were saying that you were getting stressed just thinking about what was going through. Just that whole story was like my worst nightmare. I freaking hate it. Well, anyway, we got an email from Jeff Sire, a good pal up and Grafton,

Ontario, Canada. Oh, whoops, sorry. Can't mention it without playing it. Yes, please do it right. He wanted to talk about that phone to the ear thing. He says, just to back up, to back up Brian's holding his phone to his ear in the airport to avoid notice. When I was in the Army, I took my reconnaissance patrolman's course in the late 80s. One of the things they covered was escape and evasion. Essentially, they trained us how to be on the run behind enemy lines and make it safe, make it safely back to friendly forces.

Let's see. in a dog handling cops to tell us how dogs would be used to track us, etc. One of the things that really stuck with me was how important it is to carry something in your hands. Our brain subconsciously try to categorize everything and the idea that was just to lean into it and carry something that made you look like you were part of the scenery. The thing they suggested was a shovel. People would see you with a shovel and just dismiss you from their mind thinking you were

working on the roads or something. We're so crazy. It's crazy. It totally makes sense. Makes sense to me. Yeah. Nuts. Anyway, fast forward 10 years of the late 90s, and I run into a buddy who was on the course with me. Let's see, he was out of the Army and working in telecommunications.

We were catching up, and he mentioned the course and the idea of carrying a tool to blend in. He said it was indeed very true. And when he had his hard hat, tool belt, and toolbox, he became essentially invisible. Very interesting. So much so that when they had the G7 meeting, meeting, Toronto. That's all the world leaders coming to Toronto. For those who don't know. Anyway, he walked past Toronto cops, U.S. Secret Service,

and multiple other security agents without being searched in order to install additional phone lines at the Royal York Hotel where the G7 leaders were staying. So Brian's plan for using a phone to stay unobserved was a good one, says Jeff. Well, that makes me a little nervous, though, that he was walking around basically invisible at, like, the meeting of the world's biggest leaders. Going right past, like, you know.

A lot, man. yeah well okay uh well let's not give anybody any ideas don't try this at home because now it won't work when when was that meeting was that a recent one uh toronto does he say when the g7 oh yeah you're able to look at the uh i just have to see but yeah just curious if that's been the last few years it just seems like security would have been insane and the fact that you just kind of walk around as a as a worker dude that's pretty interesting yeah anyway thank you jeff for that we also got an email about how space works, all right? So this is important on a Tuesday where we have Bobbi. 88 or 2010 is one of the last time. 2010, okay. Yeah, nice.

How space force works, all right? Because we don't know how space force works. Yes. How does it work? How does it work? Greeting star and black hole. I like that. Sure. Wait, you're a collapsing version of me then. Yeah, I am. When you collapse, you turn into me. Oh, man. It's any day now. That sounds worse, actually. Yeah, I don't like it. He says on Wednesday show you we're questioning what Space Force does. I can answer those questions on a basic level. Space Force supports.

Space Force provides, he says it provides space domain awareness, tracking everything up there and their purpose. There's a half a million pieces of space junk larger than a marble and 4,500-plus satellites from various countries. Here's some trivia. Luxembourg has 40. oh my gosh oh wow no kidding luxembourg uh it also does space electronic warfare there are pieces of of crap up in the atmosphere from luxembourg than there are people in luxembourg that's i'm i don't know why that's surprising that's a weird number it is very surprising imagine what we have up there like it must be insane by the way we're about to get a lot of emails

from people in luxembourg yeah i'm sure they're all listening yeah sure let us know we'd love to hear from you that'd be great yeah exactly anyway says they also do space electronic work warfare, missile warning. Well, can we, wait, wait, wait, let's, can we break that one down? Space Electronic Warfare. Yeah, so I assume what that is, it'd be like, you know, via satellite, the Russians are saying, doing something. Oh, okay.

All right. We're fighting and, you know, it's like cyber warfare on the ground. It sounds like some Mattel again. Sorry. Space electronic warfare. You got me. It's only from Mattel. Yeah, that sounds right.

New from Galube. Glob. Okay, good enough. All right. By the way, Michael, don't, you know, come up and beat the crap out of me because I'm close. I'm a neighbor. Yeah, you're a neighbor. Oh, that's right.

He's in Colorado Springs. Yeah, can I get a tour of Space Force? Yeah, well, they let you up there? Let's see. Missile warnings, that makes sense. Space launches, stuff you launch in space or from ground to space. Space Electromagnetic warfare. Now, that one I don't get.

That's the sequel to the Mattelah game. That one's on handhelds. It's really good. right uh intel which is like spy satellite stuff uh satellite communications and gps the GPS systems were developed for the military and it's continued to be operated by the military we just get the side benefit of that so i didn't know that that's interesting so when you do GPS on your phone you're just you're an ancillary user of that that's already a it's already yeah you're we're all part of the space force really helping with that yeah we all should get the badges with the

star trip off logo uh he says brian mentioned the space force has left color there are currently six space space force bases in the country and three of them are in Colorado I didn't know that okay I thought I seriously thought that um you know when when Trump was mad at us and he said I'm taking my space force bases and putting him somewhere else he probably did but he can't he's all of a Sunday's comic book guy which is great actually he like a lot of you know politicians they'll say a thing and then not do it so I think that's all that was poll politics explaining yeah uh it says let's see he's got names for it tell me if you know this place buckley space for space do you know

absolutely yes all right yeah i didn't realize buckley uh is now a space for space space it's fun to say space for space wow that's hard space for space yeah carter we need new uh we need new animation of uh yeah let's have brian and i doing uh tongue twisters all you have to do is just you know change a couple pieces of art you don't even have to do a whole lot of work it's just A piece of cake. Yeah, I definitely know Buckley. That's crazy. That is crazy.

I didn't realize Buckley turned into a Space Force base. You know why? Because all the weed you got there. You got all the weed. It's obscured by a green cloud. All the weed access and then the green cloud, yeah. Yeah. He says Space Force will continue to grow.

For example, the Air Force base has nine missile wings and are not currently part of the space force. Eventually, they will be. Back during missile wings, it seems insane. They're intense. Back during the World War I period, military leaders declared that planes were good for reconnaissance, but did not see... Whoops, I skipped the whole thing with one click. I didn't mean to do that. But did not see any future for them.

Air Force has been around for 74 years now. There are many things cheesy about Space Force, but the mission is the future. Proud to work for the Space Force, Michael, and Colorado Springs. That's really cool. All right. Can I direct your attention to the Buckley Space Force Base website? I'm in. First thing I want you to do, I'm going to give you a link, so give me a second here.

First thing I want you to do is take a look at the first picture that comes up in the slider and tell me that doesn't worry you a little bit. All right. Let's see. Buckley Space Forest. Yeah. Okay, the first image. It's a few guys standing around a giant hole in the ground with smoke coming up out of the hole.

Yeah, why is that a space force? That's the community risk reduction program, but boy, is that a scary photo. Yeah. I don't like that at all. That looks like a sink hole or something. I guess, you know what? It looks like a hole. I think it might just be, now that I'm looking at it,

it might just be a burnt piece of ground. But it looks like, you know, Jeff Bridges is about to walk out of there and make us all run red lights. I'm ready for Star Man. Let's do it. Yeah, look at it. So this is interesting.

Oh, there. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like it's a grassfire. Yeah. But it does look, it does, it is just a grass fire, but it looks like a hole. Like the black part, the burnt part of the grass is... The edging of it out here has an optical illusion of looking like the edge of a hole.

Yeah. In the rear there in the foreground, or background, rather. That's crazy. Yeah, it's, look at all this. Man, I got a whole COVID-19 section. Let's see what they say about that. Here at Space Force, we believe in vaccinations. All right, well, there you have it.

Space Force. Catch it. Thanks, guys. Space Force. That was awesome. Love hearing weird stuff. Yeah, actually, and it did see something about a visitor center. So I'm going to try and check out the Space Force Visitor Center and get some photos for TMS while I'm there.

Oh, I'd love that. You should do that. When can you do that? Do it now. Do it now? Just leave now and go. Just go now. No, for real, that sounds like a really cool. That'd be a cool thing to do it. Yeah, so there's one, so next time I'm on the east side of town, I will, because it's, you know, it's, it's not convenient for me, Scott. No, no. But often when I'm lifting, I'll end up in, you know, in Aurora, east of, southeast of the airport. Gosh, I was just really close to there last week.

But next time I'm in the area, I will totally. Yeah, drop somebody off. The visitor center. Drop somebody off, turn off your thing for a sec, go in there and let them. Yep. Walk you around, go to the gift shop. Do they have a public bathroom that I could use? Do you have a space shitter I can borrow?

That is a new thing that I'm discovering with Lyft is like, all right, Starbucks has gotten so much of my money because I know that they will let you use their bathrooms. And it's like, well, I'm not just going to go in there and pee. I've got to buy something. So I get a, yeah. Yeah, so you get like either a coffee if it's in the morning or a pineapple refresher or something like that. But they all have to tell you the code to get in the bathrooms because they have little locks on them. Oh, they have codes, do they?

They have code little code buttons. Not all of them, but most of the ones I've been to. And so, hey, can I wash out my cup? Because I don't want to say, hey, can I go pee? Because I have my own Starbucks cup and I do have to wash it out before they'll put something in it. So I'm like, hey, can I go wash this out? Like, oh, yeah, codes one, two, three, four, five. why even have that on there has anyone written a movie i know the invention of lying is a little bit

like this but maybe that's actually the best example but i wonder if there's ever going to be a movie or has been a movie where everybody doesn't have the social mores of you having to pretend like you're on a phone or you having to say i need to watch my cup out or somebody turning somebody down for a hang like this say some couple wants you to hang out and you really dislike being around i see what just saying so all of those nice cities and like so you know so like if you're somebody who's i have friends i have a couple friends who are like severely autistic and and they they present as autistic mostly when it comes to that sort of thing so they're just used to saying i don't want to go or i can't do it you know like

just say actually what they think right exactly yeah they should make a movie about that but i always wonder what society would be like if we were just more i don't know like just say what we're say what we mean instead of dancing around it you know yeah because we all do it. I know. I wonder what kind of, you know, we just find out that there are times that we kind of all secretly all hate each other. And it's so hard to come back from that, right?

It's like people that I love hanging out with, people that I consider very good friends, there's just sometimes like, oh, I kind of need a break. And I, you know, wouldn't want to offend them of like. Exactly. Exactly. But what if you did? And they also lost the inclination to do the niceties. And they would just go.

That's what I'm saying. I think we would all become very solitary people because always in your mind you'd be thinking of that one time that they needed a break from you. And you'd be thinking, oh, my God, maybe they really don't like me. They just need a break from me. Oh, that sucks. Yeah. But see, the idea would be they wouldn't even, they wouldn't have to wonder. They would know exactly what you meant because you would say what you meant.

They would know because, right. They know that there's, that if I ever don't, that I don't want to hang out with them, that I tell them I don't want to hang out with them as opposed to pretending that I do want to hang out with them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I, for whatever reason, I just find that, I would love, someone asked me the other day, what super power do you want?

It's easy to go. Flying, invisibility, blah, blah, blah, all these things. Yeah. But I sometimes think what I want is the ability to change huge aspects of culture temporarily and make it so. I don't want anyone to get hurt. But I would love to just say, for the next four hours, I will observe everyone only saying what they think and no nice. Like, I want to see the experiment. without it actually hurting or altering or effing anything up.

That'd be a fun power, you know? That would be, that's what I want to do. Can I, can I tell you just how much I love Zoe brings bacon? I love her, too, but tell me why she has earned more love for you today. Because in the chat, she just said, check out the movie with Ricky Jervase and Jennifer Garner where people can't lie. That's like, that's an international red on air light right there is what that is. Yeah, thank you for being the red on air light today because, It wasn't me.

And I'm happy to... I love you, Zoe. What does Zoe bring? She brings the red on air light. Yep, she brings the red bacon. Nicely done. All right. I had one other thought that...

I had one of the thought I was going to share, but now I'm... Wasn't there a lying movie about some sort of invention, something? Oh, I know what I was going to... Should I even tell you this? Should I, though? You don't want to hang out with me anymore. No, no, no. Go ahead.

Just tell the truth, Scott. See, here's me. Here's me worried I'm going to offend you. some listeners you know what i'm just going to tell you okay i'll just tell you here's the thing somebody the other day said to me because i said i called somebody like a poop eater or something like that i was being sarcastic and someone said were they divine from from the john waters no okay all right good i raised him her her did she did how was he she presented as a woman i she though i thought i thought it was just like cross-dress just an act yeah i don't know yeah i think

Right, I think it was cross-dressing as opposed to... There wasn't like a gender reassignment thing going on there. No, no, no, no. Anyway, so I said that or something, and the comment back to me via email was, I know you don't mean any harm, but there are actually people who, you know, if you're trying to kinkshame people who are into poop, poo, then maybe you should be nicer about it. And I thought this, there's, so forget about that for a minute. Corpaphasias and that like the...

Is that what it's called? It's got a name. Poop eating, like if you've got the kink of corpaphasia or a... Sure. Whatever. To me, it sounds like a horrifying nightmare, but one man's horrifying nightmare is another person. Now I've got to look it up because I'm not 100% sure. Yeah.

Yes. So anyway, and this story isn't really even about that. What I wanted to say was my brain goes places. You know, when it's not having an intermittent panic attack, it goes places. And here's where my brain went. Let's say you're a couple. you're a married couple even and you're just really into this

man you just cannot wait for Saturday night at about 9 o'clock because Bill's going to conjure up a deuce and it's going to be great you know I don't know but I always wonder did those did that couple were they having breakfast earlier that morning and did they look at each other and go

you have an eggs let's see what else you got there you got your you get a little coffee this morning one else over there. Let's see. You got about 12 hours before all this. Hmm. Maybe you want to eat a little fruit too as well.

Maybe. Do they do that? Like, do they have those thoughts? Like, if they're into the thing later, are they also into the moments of like, well, we're got to prepare. What do we, what are we having? Probably, right?

I mean, I assume so. I can't even imagine this lifestyle. But the con, but the conversations that must exist around it must be, to me, it just sounds insane. sane that they would be like, all right, I have an oatmeal. Oh, I love when you have oatmeal. Like, what?

I don't know why the head goes there. Could I interest you in some lentils? Yeah, would you like some lentils? Have another serving of corn. Perhaps some cinnamon with your dessert. I don't know, man. The whole thing just gives me the wheel. I could go down.

I knew a woman who, I don't know. Do you know what? I'm not even going to. I can't even do it. It's hard. It's hard to talk about. And I'm not, look, I'm not shaming. I really aren't. I just don't get it. I don't understand it. I was friends with a woman and a girl in high school who really really wanted her boyfriend to drink more pineapple juice. Tell them in a sec. What a golden opportunity for them, you know?

Oh, no. No. No. Not that? No, it's, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. In every way, store, you might find yourself a pearl. No, I heard, I remember this, there was a story in high school. She. Claire's gross. It reminds me of, it reminds me in high school somebody said that, but with, you were supposed to chew big red.

That was a thing. Really? Yeah. Huh. Interesting. No experience. I have no idea. But I'm just saying that was a thing because high school's weird and everybody's weird.

All right. Oh, welcome to TMSP. PM, but it's in the morning. It's TMS AM. That's right, everybody. Hope you enjoyed it. Tell your kids not to listen to that last part. All right, here's this now that we're going to do now.

I don't watch the news. It's time for the news, and it's brought to you by. Brought to you by a loose peanut in the bed. I think it's the one that Scott ate yesterday during Babel Royale with Brian Dunaway. So I must have. I took some peanuts. Here's a little lid full. I just have these at the handy here.

Yeah, it's a nice little protein source. You know, you grab a peanut and go for it. And for some reason, one of these peanuts, a little half peanut, was just in the bed. I didn't take him in there, in the bed. I don't know why I was in there. It must have been in my shirt. Could have been. I was going to say, yeah, do you ever, like, you know, get a couple of them and, like, toss them.

And maybe one of them didn't land in your mouth and went down your shirt. It must have. I mean, it's the only explanation I have because how else would a peanut get in there? And Kim's like, I didn't eat a peanut. Yeah. I'm like, all right. I guess it was me. I'm not going to kick her out of bed for eating peanuts

No, she can stay in here all she wants Oh, but speaking of that voice, it's Sam Elliott's birthday today. Oh, yeah, happy birthday, Sam Elliott. 78 years old and still kicking, doing great, looking good in that 18-A-year. I don't know that you, the bear. Somebody sent me a text or a tweet today said, He's awesome, you should watch 1987, he's amazing in it. And I went,

1987. Do you mean movies from 1987? Like, you know, I know he's in a roadhouse and, you know, maybe he's, that's what you mean? He's in that new Yellowstone thing, right? Which is 17. That's 1883. 1883. That must be what they meant.

Because why would they say 1987? It auto-corrected. It basically, uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because 1883, I'm aware of, in 1987, I mean, I would watch whatever hell that is, but, you know, It's not like even, you know, those keys are right next to each other. You're like, oh, if they said, you know, you should watch 1772. Oh, I just, I had my home row.

My hand was to the left on my home row. Yeah, your home row. All right, here's your first story. You know, you heard about, we didn't talk about it, but Klondike got rid of the Chaco Taco. I know. You know, I'm glad we didn't talk about it because I would not have been able to keep from crying that day. Well, listen. I have great news for you.

today. But keep going. Really? Really? Scott? What's the great news? Well, tell me, Wayne, do you have a special connection to Chaco Tacos? I like Chaco Tacos? That's my special connection. I like that, you know, Tristan with the ice cream man, ice cream bad would come down the street. Yeah. Man, I miss those days. Ice cream man doesn't come around anymore. No, they don't live, I don't see him ever in the summer anymore.

Yeah, we used to have them like, you know, on this very street when Tristan was a little kid. He'd run over, he'd get the Super Mario Popsicle, which was your basic, you know, shaped like, Mario's head with a gumball for a nose. Yeah. And I'd get a, uh, and I'd get a chaco taco taco. And we'd sit there on the porch and we'd eat our iced confectionery. Do you think popular culture has finally killed the, uh, the, the, the, the ice cream man, because it's been creepified and there's a crazy clown in there.

It's going to murder you. They're going to kid. Twisted metal. Twisted metal. Single-handedly destroy the ice cream man industry. Yeah, sweet tooth, man. He was a jerk. It was a jerk.

That guy. Uh, well, anyway. It probably was, who knows, because you think COVID would have been perfect. It's like great ice cream, curbside delivery to my curb. Yeah, you're not wrong. Dice Tomato, you're kind of on the nose here. I'll go ahead and read what happened. Klondike looking at bringing back the Chaco Taco Taco after Consumer Uproar.

They say it'll happen in the coming years, whatever that means. Klandyke officials Wednesday said they would look at trying to bring back the apparently beloved Chaco Taco in the coming years after facing an uproar. We know this is disappointing. We've heard our fans, and we're hoping to bring back this favorite treat back to ice cream trucks in the coming years. Except we just determined there are no ice cream trucks anymore, but whatever. There's got to be, you know, they're in the works of like an app, an ice cream man app where you basically, you know, if there's enough demand in an area from kids, I'm home this summer, I want ice cream on these days. They can plug it in and actually get a, that's not bad.

It's not a bad idea. That's something you could do, right? easily we got this gig economy going why not let's do it ice cream man would you trust some sort of rand i guess would you trust the randu who drives an ice cream chuck versus the randu who drives a subor that happens to have ice cream in the back yes the same thing isn't it it kind of is yeah i mean the one there's no vetting the ice cream truck company doesn't vet the people it puts in there and say okay do a background check on this fella well they try to fully it because i got music you know they got pretty colors or whatever so you always

think, oh, that's more legit, but really, that's the same serial killer, you know, rapist man inside there. And it's one of the few... Yeah. What a few jobs where we still just say man. We don't say ice cream person. We say ice cream man.

Ice cream, you're right. Sure, there's many women bringing... Yeah, why did that never have a big uproar, I wonder? Yeah. No women wanted to be associated with the creepy stuff that happens in an ice cream band. I don't know. Right. Ice cream man ban. Ice cream person. I got a picture of Van the other day down, or no, this is not the other day.

It was a while ago, but we got him down near a river. And we literally now had a picture of a van down by the river. A man down by the river. Yeah. That was a thing I've been trying to do since he was born. Oh, that's fantastic. Excellent. I can't wait for this new one.

I'm so excited. I miss Chris Farley. I do too, man. So freaking funny. What the frick? Bring him back. Can we reconstitue? So I've started listening.

to, in my free time, started listening to the podcast, David Spade and Dana Carvey put on about the old Saturday Night Live Days. And the Rob Lowe one is fantastic because he gets, they talk a little bit about this fight that Farley and Spade had during the making of Tommy Boy when David Spade got to hang out with Rob Loeb while Farley was on the other side. the country having to do like a sketch thing or record something and so he comes back he's like had you have fun with did you have fun with rob low and they got into a big fight about it well they were such they were so inseparable i think they were as close to best friends as you could be right so they probably had their little fighty moments or whatever i need to listen to that that sounds great it's really really good uh Jedi 71 is is correct they do need better microphones i'm on an early episode so I don't know if they ever get better but there are times that you can't tell Carvey's voice from Spades because they're they're very similar in in tone it's you know you get

that that kind of nasly they both have that kind of nasly thing going on yeah they just got to wait for like some real sarcasm and it's like oh that's spade I forgot those two had any crossover but I guess I guess Carvey was there when those two chuckleheads came on yeah it was I think a little bit, right? It was, you know, during the changing of the guard of the 80s. A little bit of a spread there. Oh, Chad, here's a picture of the Taco Taco for those asking what it looks like. That's the delectable item there. And so this is an ice cream, you know, it's basically just an ice cream cone with a different formation. It's, you know. It is. It really is. It's a drumstick. If, you know, if you want to know what it is,

it's a drumstick that's been flattened out and turned into a taco shape is all it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I mean, and look, I'm sure. It's very good. It is the, you know, it's the Taco Bell of drumsticks. It's the same ingredients just arranged in a different way. Yeah. So they're bringing it back because they've heard you, which probably just means the stunt worked. And now they're going to have a huge run on these.

And they'll make a lot of money. You remember what they did with the Mexican pizza? We talked about it here, speaking of Taco Bell, and said, oh, we, because of demand, we're bringing it back. We're so sorry. We took it off the menu. It's here to stay forever. Oh, we didn't anticipate. how much you guys wanted it and now we're out of it again and they've been out of it for

for months yeah i don't i don't buy it i think there's some bullshittery some weird bullshittery going on yes i agree um all right speaking to make speaking of food you shouldn't eat probably sure right uh here's a macdonald story an artist segue yeah that's pretty that's not bad an artist threw the pickle from a mcdonald's burger on a ceiling and is charging $6,325 for it. Okay. The grammar of that sentence, I think it should be onto a ceiling, but I'll let it go. I agree with you, actually.

It's bad, bad writing over at today.com. Today, wow. I know. Hoda. Fenta. Hoda, please, get on the case. Willie Geist. What are you doing over there?

Yeah, I don't know who any of these people are. Savannah Guthrie. Wait, what happened to Matt Lauer and jingle von Dengel? You don't want to know what happened to Matt Lauer. Yeah, never mind. I know. I know exactly what happened to that guy. First he made, he got rid of Ann Curry, and then they got rid of him. Oh, poor Ann Curry. Yeah.

She did give us this, though. No. Good morning, good morning, everybody. In the news this morning, good morning. That's amazing. It's the best. It's one of the greatest things ever. Anyway.

Yeah. So here's the deal. Australian artist Matthew Griffin debuted a piece of work he called Pickle. It's very simple. It's a single slice of pickle he plucked from a McDonald's cheeseburger and subsequently stuck to the pristine white ceiling of a gallery space. And no, it allegedly never fell from the spot. Quite an arm, Picasso, they say. That's stupid.

Yeah. Anyway. It is stupid. But what I do like in this thing is in the sentence, they do manage to use both plucked and chucked without trying to make it run. The adventures of pluck and chuck. Coming to Nickelodeon. That's right. The work, which was recently shown at Michael's.

Lett, a New Zealand gallery that hosted the former cucumber at its show called Hosting Fine Arts, Sydney. He's known for all sorts of bullshit. He's known for other art and stuff. Anyway, he wants to sell this thing for $10,000 Australian dollars. There's about $6,329 U.S. Brian, would you pay for this pickle at that level? Well, first of all, I'd like to, let's do this on Cliffways.

I'd like to point out that it's not really so much about the pickle. It's about the ketchup and the tenacity of the adherence from the ketchup to said ceiling. It is. It's not about the pickle. It's about the ketchup. Let's let's face it. It is. You're right. I don't think the pickle is of the worst here. You throw a clean, a clean pickle at a ceiling. It's not going to stick. But you need that ketchup. You want that ketchup. That's right. Your car is not cool, but the gas that drives it. See, think of that. Think of those things.

You've got to look at what's underneath. It's not just a pickle. There's some adhesive ass ketchup business going on. I think the whole thing, here's what sucks about the whole thing, is that, oh, here you go. Here's, you know, here's the pickle that I threw at the ceiling. You want the ceiling, too. Like, the only way really to make this work is to cut that chunk of ceiling with the pickle and the ketchup and sell that. Yeah.

Yeah. You're right. You know what you need. You need the ceiling at the McDonald's. Well, yeah, yeah. Did he do it at that? It was at the McDonald's? No, he did it at the gallery.

Took the pickle with him and then flicked it onto the ceiling in the gallery and said, here's my art. I just think this is trolley as hell. When people do this sort of thing, they, they, for it to work, they count on people being suckers. So, well done, you suckers. Yeah, that's, that's effed up. Dumb.

It's dumb. Diffin. Check your watches, everybody. broke the record for the shortest day since atomic clocks were invented as of, let's see, what day was it? June 29th. June 29th. He recorded the shortest day

on Earth since the invention of the atomic clock. Planet's rotation measured at 1.59 milliseconds short of the normal 24 hour day on June 29th, according to the international Earth rotation and reference system service an organization to, in charge of global timekeeping,

the rotation of the length of time, sorry, A rotation is the length of time the earth takes to spin once on its axis, which is roughly 84,600 seconds. The previous record was documented on July 19th, 2020, when the day measured 1.47 milliseconds shorter than normal. Anyway, you may not think that's very much. It's not really, because it isn't. It isn't very much.

It's not very much at all. It shows a weakness. It shows a weakness in our ability to get that 100% correct. Because Earth's going to do little changes here and there and do weird shit. Humans have whatever thing we came up with, the measure of thing. And now it's not exactly right. So I don't know who you're playing. That's why we have leap ears and stuff like that.

We need to have adjustment, things built in for adjustments. I agree. So go check your clocks. Set them accordingly. Listen, the Mickey Mouse is on me and my wife's Apple Watches still sync up. So as long as that's happening, then... Do you guys still use that face? I like that face.

No, I don't. This is my favorite face right here is the one that's got every piece of information. Let's tap it. There it is. Oh, yeah, I like all the info too. Before mine broke, I loved having all the data like that. Yeah, I want time. I want to know what the weather's going to be for the next six hours.

I want whatever battery power I have on here, how far I am on my rings, and what's the current temperature. Yeah, I like that. Bobby Frank says he thinks it's the opposite. This shows how good we are at tracking things. No, that's a good way of looking at it. I don't want to see all the... I don't want to see the poop-to end of the stick here. I think it's a good point.

We are really good at this. You're right. Our glass half full. Well done, Bobby. Oh, that was good. Thank you. Someone write that down. Holy shit.

That was actually really, really perfect. You know, sometimes our jokes are cheesy and whatever. That was enlightened. That was really good. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. Uh, you're welcome. We're going to take a break. When we return, speaking of Bobby, he'll be on. But before him, uh, Bill will be here. Bill will be here first. It's like cut the ring green wire. But before you cut the green wire, cut the red wire. Anyway, that'll be up coming to see her soon, but we can't do any of this shit without a song. So what do you got there? Yeah, this is a guitar driven indie classic. Um, this, uh, listen, the, the label describes this guy as an ace new UK indie artist. And I agree. this guy is ace uh i agree with nub music you're completely true this guy's from st albans in the

uk and he's been influenced by bands like the pixies radio head and smashing pumpkins i can hear a little bit of that in here the song is called my friend uh brand new single from mark j giddden here is my friend so well no one would ever know you're all to tell if they would have wanted so it could be bad but only if it is said you knew before when you were dead in your Your courageous time you've seen it all somewhere above the cloud You made up hard to try to make the norm But that was too loud It's all burned out of sight

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My friend. Hello, my friend. Hello. Your bat caves open there, Bill. All right, Bill Duran joins us. As you know, it's speaking of friends. Good friend Bill Duran joining us. on Tuesdays to talk about the world of making things. And Bill, I assume today's probably no different.

How are you? You assume correct. I'm doing great. Good. I try not to assume, you know, I do what I can. I got a fun project I'm working on and I have a cool technique I want to talk about. Ooh. I can't wait to find out what this is. So lay it on us. Have either of you tried to do any 3D scanning with your phone? No. I did early on. Um, yeah, there was some app where it was like, uh, basically I stood in one place while a crazy neighbor waved the phone all around me to try and get a, uh, a recording of me. So is it the iPhone supposed to have a really, really good spatial thing, right? Like, supposed to be good at it. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a long time ago. I'm sure things have gotten better, haven't they? Yeah, probably. They sure have. And I've been playing with it a whole bunch. And I've even started using it in projects. Uh, mostly I've just been doing it for fun. I've just been doing it for fun. I got the app on my phone. I can grab things out in the world with it.

Like I'm taking a snapshot, which is kind of neat since it's in my pocket. So, for example, when I was in Hawaii, among other things, there were these 400-year-old petroglyphs, just a rock with a cool carving on it. And I scanned a couple of those, and now I have them forever. I have a perfect 3D, quote-unquote perfect, 3D representation of the petroglyphs on my phone now. And I can take it up 3D, I can scan it, or I could 3D print it if I want. I could put it in a movie if I want. It's just kind of amazing that I can take my phone, run the camera around an object for like a minute, and then I just, I've captured the whole thing.

That's really cool. Which app, what's the app, DeJure at the moment? There's so many in here. Right. Polycam is one I've been using. It seems to be one of the better ones. Now, a lot of the phone, so my phone, I got the 12 Pro Max, because it has a light. LIDAR camera on it, but you don't need that to use these apps.

You can scan with LIDAR, but you can also scan with just using images. But also, Polycam has a website. So you can take a bunch of photos of an object from every angle, like 100 photos, and then upload those right to their website, and it'll do all the processing right there. You don't even need to use your phone. And I've been trying both of those methods to great. results. Ew, weird.

People are doing their faces and stuff. Uh-huh. Well, I just, I just tweeted out an image of my 3D scanned head that I'm using in a project. You go to check that out. I am going to go there right now. So if you do have a LIDAR camera on your phone, you can use that option. And it's generally good for, it actually projects a real-time 3-D model as you're walking around, which is kind of neat.

But it's better for scanning large things like the. inside of a room or the outside of a building. It doesn't do detail really, really well. If you want to get small detail, if you want to scan small things, then you want to use the photo mode. And like you were saying, Brian, you just walk around while you get your crazy neighbor to point your phone at your face. Oh, this is so cool.

Wow. It's really fun. Yeah, so we scanned our noggins for this project. Why did you close your eyes, by the way, for that? Um, so that I don't have some images with my eyes open and some of my eyes closed. Gotcha. Myles will just keep them closed. Yeah.

I had Britt try. Uh, I, I did a, a model of Brits head and she had her eyes open for some of it, which means one of her eyes was looking kind of weird because she blinked while it was taking a photo. So, uh, we don't need our eyes for these models. So we just, uh, we just kept them closed. It seemed to work really, really. Yeah.

It's so, it's so much better than it was years ago. go when I had like I said had crazy neighbor to do it yeah yeah and this one was just with my phone just waving my phone around my head so can you now print that like you know what I mean I could yeah I could I wouldn't have the the color on it obviously I'd have to repaint the color but you could 3D print that now the files it spits out need a little work they're they're not perfect all the time sure so mine I had to chuck into a couple of applications before they were, before I could put them in Fusion 360, I had to use

mesh mixer to clean it up a little bit. I like trimmed off some of the geometry I didn't need. And then I had to simplify the geometry. That was like 90,000 polygons. Fusion, Fusion doesn't like anything over 10,000 polygons getting imported, so I

decimated it down and then I threw it in the fusion and it works great. Yeah, I can take measurements off. Kind of thing, yeah. Yeah, I can take measurements with calipers of real head, which is what I did to confirm the scale. So I measured that from eartip to ear tip, it's like 181 millimeters or something like that. And then I went in fusion and I measured the same two points to verify that it's exactly the same size. And it is.

And then I can just 3D model around it. That's cool. That's pretty cool. I love it. Very cool, man. That's great. I'm looking at my office here. That's crazy how good that did.

Wow. I mean, I didn't do it very long. and it kind of was very quick about it, but it got my microphone, the two monitors, it rendered Brian's face. Yeah, really from...

Yeah, I'll send you this. Right now it's a little squabas, but I'll send you this image is pretty great. Yeah, that kind of stuff. This stuff fascinates me, and I don't know even why. I mean, I could take a picture of my desktop and it would look cool,

but there's something about, I don't know, just having all this 3D... Of having, like, the object, like knowing the facets that make it out. Yeah, it's like a photo, but you can turn the object around and see the other side of it. Did you, can you,

was the, oh, does lighting matter? Like, does that have a big impact or a factor here? Yeah, so you want good light just so that you get good images anyway. And then it depends on the output of your model. So for me, I'm using these for scale reference. It doesn't actually matter what the texture looks like. It's kind of nice that it includes it, but it's not necessary. So if you're going to use something, let's say,

let's say you were going to scan something. and I see people do this all the time now. If they're making a 3D scene of some kind, they're making a short film or something or a movie. And they just need to fill the background with stuff. They'll go outside, 3D scan a treat, and then chuck it in the background. It's blurry.

In the background, doesn't need to be perfect. Throw it in the scene. However, you don't want to take, if your scene is supposed to look overcast, you don't want to scan something with lighting that is direct sunlight because the model will permanently have direct sunlight on it. The texture

will look like it permanently has direct sunlight on it. So depending on your output, you may want to be more, like, you may want to try and scan something with overcast light anyway, so it's nice and soft, doesn't have hard shadows, but anyway, there's a ton of practice to do, like

learning how to take photos really well, learning what is good lighting for what your output is and all that. And it's worth just playing with a whole bunch because it's so cool you could just make models and they're like oh that didn't work throw it away um i signed up for i paid for an account i think it's like six dollars a month and they'll let you do 150 of them a month so that'll keep me busy wow wow yeah that's awesome

dude i love this kind of stuff you made me want to go try all these apps and just see what's what's you know good this one seems to the one you tell us about is like tons of reviews almost full five stars it seems like that's yeah yeah the one to have like the yeah and it anyone's interested in this like I said just grab the app and when you're out and about give it a shot if you're out if you see a non-moving object I even scan my cat when he was asleep yeah there's a really cool um sculpture in downtown Denver that I think it would be awesome to like scan and 3D print and see if I can make a little desk desktop version of it yeah that'd be I've scanned um I made some props for our friends at film riot that they used in a film so I mailed

the props off to them, but before I mailed them, I scanned them. So I still have 3D models of the props I made. Brilliant. Oh, that's great. What a great use. Oh, yeah. And then, uh, uh, some things to keep in mind, um, shiny things still don't work great. Sure, that makes sense. Yeah, reflective. Yeah. So I, I tried to scan my car and it's just a mess. It didn't really work all that well. Yeah. Uh, now for our, we're making helmets right now. The, the, the head scanning is for making some space helmets. And the visor, I have a visor, a store-bought

face-covering visor that I want to use. So I scanned that. But since it's reflective, I covered it in masking tape. I just covered every service in masking tape and scanned it, and it worked perfectly. Really? Great. Yeah. So I dropped that in Fusion

360 as well, and now I can 3D model around that visor, and I know it'll fit. That's cool. Which is kind of awesome. Yeah, that is awesome. Well, you new tool in your toolbox man oh yeah yeah i hope i hope people give it a shot and go play with it it's really mean i agree uh go check those out and i know some of the android phones also have similar features you can probably find similar apps uh so for those android users out there get your lidar scanning on um and uh you bring a little bonus link for it for us this week what do you got

i do yeah so this is our friends over at kamui cosplay and a year ago they did a video on 3D scanning for a costume they were working on. So if you're interested in learning more about this for cosplay, they've got a video. And then we'll have a video out soon showing how we're using it to make some space helmets. Yeah, no kidding. Oh, see, look at this. Wow. Dude, some of this is creepy good.

So glad this guy has a weird, is making a weird face with his YouTube title card, by the way. Yeah, oh yeah. It's the way of the future. it is it works obviously I hate that it works I really hate it but all the videos I've done that have more engagement

are with that stupid outline in a face every time see see if I put my face in a thumbnail it's poison the only thing people want to see my thumbnails are a big photo of the prop

yeah and if you're doing it see similar situation right like if you're going for whatever you can argue whether it's good personality or not but if you're going for somebody who's just your favorite commentator or he's funny when he plays video games or whatever face with the outline that makes sense but if you're like a serious crafting dude nobody wants to see

you going oh if you made a video though there was 10 things you don't ever want to do when you're recreating props yeah you need to have your face on there going yeah i bet yeah holding up holding up a handful of melting hot glue and looking like i'm screaming yeah i can see that you know what it is it's the current it's the it's the today version of what all those old infomercials did when they did the black and white like have you tried to put a blanket away and the lady's going black and white in that like i can't fool this that's kind of what this modern day equivalent it is drives me crazy anyway bill as always it's a pleasure if people want to check out your work they can go over to punish props.com of course or the youtube channel with the same name uh thanks for hanging out with us man i hope you're good. Oh, you're going to, there's a new con coming up. When's that? What's going on? Oh, I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah, so Silicon is Adam Savage's con. Great name.

That's great. SiliconS.J.com is the website. That is August 27th and 28th in San Jose. And there were going to be a ton of maker guests there, including me, but just a crap load of my friends. I'm excited to just go hang out with like a dozen of my friends. And you can too. So if anyone's going to be in the area, that weekend please come to the event it's going to be awesome lots of making i agree also i was watching ticot the other day and uh one of allie's videos popped up and there was bill again doing some shit i forgot go watch alley video yeah that'll be my recommendation next week but i helped allie spagnola make a bear head yeah with deer antlers

deer bear deer bear deer yeah a bear deer uh go look at it it's great uh bill have a great week and we'll look forward to hearing the four other rad things you did when we talk to you next time see you i know see that all right cool very cool it is cool i'm gonna mess with that scanner today i'm sure you are yeah i'm gonna take a minute for myself that's what i'll do next time i'll scan the i'll scan the rock that i sprayed with um oh there you go that'll yeah that'll distract me good good solution all right uh bobby time everyone put on your bobby clothes because he's coming in here hot and ready to trot. I don't know what any of that means, but sure, why not?

Let me find his intro first. That'd be good. Science. Hey, look who it is. It's Bobby Frankenberger joining us for some science talk. He is the host or one of the hosts of the Fine Podcast all around science. And a great member of the Frog Pants community. Welcome back, Bobby.

Thanks for having me back. It's good to have you back. Good to have you. Are you, I forgot what I was going to say? I had something to say to you about a thing that was science-related, and now I forgot. Oh, how much of that space junk up there is ours? You know, we talked about, you know, we're joking. Luxembourg has 40 pieces of it.

Yeah. We probably have thousands, right? I'm sure we have quite a lot. I don't know. Because we're pigs. We throw our trash in the space, and we're gross, right? Yeah, well, it's hard to get it down, you know? You say we just throw our trash in a space, but when you put it up there, like,

nobody it's complicated like I guess nowadays they talk about having a reclamation plan for all that stuff you know you could put there's a lot of ways you could do it right if you're going to put a booster on your rocket that you're sending and you know the boosters fall off yeah you know you um this is a bad example because the boosters will fall to earth but just imagine that it came it was intended to come off in orbit and it would be still around orbit you could attach a little rocket to the booster that just shoots it towards the earth. I got it. Okay. Yeah. Like a time, that reminds me a video game, and I can't think of what it was, but there was a game where you could do this very thing,

attach a little, they were like a gun shot these rockets, but it shot them to attach to something and then shoot them somewhere else. Oh, interesting. That wouldn't be how we did it, I'm sure, but it was a cool idea because you could change the trajectory. Oh, that's what it was.

You could fire the rocket. It would go clunk, and then you had a secondary control where you would aim the rocket. where you wanted to go and then you ignited it and then that thing would go off whatever it was attached to would go off in that direction. And you could do it to players and their ships and I don't remember what game was. It was. I remember liking it. It may have been late 90s or something. Anyway, well, that's interesting. But that's not really what you brought today. What are we discussing today in the world of science? Well, I was thinking that we've

been talking a lot about, like we as in everyone's been talking a lot about heat lately. Like Amy came on last week and talked about how gross and sticky the heat was and how U.K. It's hot out there for those things. Yeah. The U.K. has been getting a ton of heat and unprecedented over in places. So I thought

not only would it be interesting to talk about heat and our body's ability to deal with heat, but there's actually a study that was done not too long ago that updated what our understanding is about what the maximum temperatures

that are safe for humans to be in are and it's a you'll never believe what it is now oh wow I'm going to click this I'm going to click this link bait and find out tell me more how make a face Bobby quick make a face to make me check out that there we go okay good there's the now I'll check out this video sure yeah somebody at home cap that and go make some fake YouTube art from that that would be great so you guys have heard of heat stroke before. Oh yeah. I've had that before. Have you really? What happened? What was the

situation? All right. So I was in Mississippi. I was on a bike and there was a period. It was really hot. And we were, I can't remember why we didn't get water that morning. There was something going on where we didn't get water. And I went out on this long bike ride and I'm like, I don't know, 20. And I'm driving this bike and I got a friend there with me. And I looked down on my arms i'm starting to feel just kind of woozy and tired yeah i look down on my arms and i'm actually sweating like pee it's like yellow liquid coming out of my arms god okay um a doctor once told me that that that's that's that's your body going we're all out where is do we have any liquid what's the nearest takes it yeah we got some pee left probably your your kidneys are starting to fail at that point yeah kind of yeah i mean it was it was pretty gnarly and i ended up passing out and wiping out in the

bike in the ditch and he turned back around and came to get me and anyway it took me a while to come to got some water in me and I was okay within a couple hours but went to the doctor he said yeah you had full on heat stroke nice job maybe drink some water that's what he said yeah they can do blood tests to determine whether you've had a heat stroke because a lot of things are going on inside your body during heat stroke that are very dangerous and concerning and it makes sense that it might happen you said you were in mississippi yeah mississippi yeah very hot because it's very humid there and one of the ways that or the primary way that your body keeps cool is by sweating and in order for that to work you can sweat all you want in fact in when you're in

100% humidity let's say you sweat quite a lot and you notice it because it's not evaporating and that's the really important part right is when it's very humid there's too much moisture in the air, that it can't easily evaporate the sweat from your body. And it's that active evaporation that actually cools you. So heat stroke is more likely to happen in very humid hot places than it is in dry places. Right. And so that makes sense that it happened there. But literally, when you're going into heat stroke, your body is like, it's almost boiling from the inside, right? It's when your body temperature gets over about 104 Fahrenheit or so or 105 is when this starts to happen, your body goes through a bunch of inflammation. Your blood actually

starts to coagulate inside your body. And it's not great. No, that seems bad. That seems really bad. Probably worse or way worse, the older you get, right? Because your body's not as good at handling that kind of crap. I'm glad I was 20. Yeah. And one of the the things, one of the first things that shuts down are your kidneys, and that's probably why that started to, the weird thing with sweat happened. I'm guessing. I don't actually know specifically if sweat is connected. I think that's what he said. He said something like, it was obviously a really long time ago, but he said something about kidney. That's when your kidneys are over, you know, they're doing a thing you don't normally, they don't normally need

to do or something. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's, you're lucky that it was happening because of, it sounds like you said you were on a bike, you probably had exertion related heat stroke, which is you're just over-exerting yourself in a situation like that. And in those situations, having permanent damage or even death is very unlikely. And it's because your body's real good at saying, hey, you shouldn't be exerting yourself this much. We're boiling in here. And then it makes it so you can't do that anymore. It just shuts muscles down and says like, stop, just stop. And so you won't continue to do that.

And you'll start to cool down a little bit and everything. But you can experience heatstroke just by sitting there and not doing anything if it's hot enough. And if you're going into heat stroke, it can happen very quickly and cause a lot of damage quickly. But anyway, so what, this is all related to temperature. And like I said, you can go into heat stroke just by sitting around. You don't have to be exerting yourself to get into heat stroke. Your body just has to exceed a safe temperature, and your body has to stop being good at keeping yourself cool internally.

So what is a safe temperature? And that's what this is all about, right? Yeah. Actually, I want you to guess. Can you guess what is considered to be a safe temperature in which your body can handle what it needs to be able to handle? I don't know, Brian, what do you think? What do you think?

A hundred degrees would be, because, I mean, you wanted something close to 98.6 where your basic internal body temperature. That would make sense to me. I'll say, as far as you're thinking, Brian, that's a really good place to start in terms of, like, logically thinking this out is your internal temperature versus the external temperature. Right, exactly. I know that I withstood at like 120 once in Phoenix. That doesn't mean I could do it for long.

So as far as optimal, Brian's must be right. Like, you want to be right. It's probably higher than mine, right? Because you're not talking about the optimal. You're talking about kind of the maximum.

Or are you talking optimal? So we're talking about if you're just sitting around, what is the temperature it could be outside before your body will eventually. Like there's a certain temperature that when you hit that temperature, than anything above that, you're on easy street to heatstroke eventually. If you don't do anything, you will get there. And actually, in the chat, we might have some heatstroke experts here.

Claire apparently knows a lot about heat stroke. Because I'm not going to jump the gun. What I wanted to start with is what we, has traditionally been the common, knowledge of what safe temperatures were. And that's about 95 degrees Fahrenheit. So humidity is really important here, as I said. So that's 95 degrees Fahrenheit at 100% humidity. Or if you're at 50% humidity, you're talking 115 degrees Fahrenheit.

So there's a big range there depending on the humidity. And the way that they, it's interesting how they determine and measure these temperatures. It's based on what's called the wet bulb temperature. and this is really cool so what you can measure is the if so if you take a thermometer

and you throw a wet rag over top of it that's called measuring a wet bold temperature and what happens is it measures what the theoretical lowest temperature

that any chunk of air can get to by evaporating water right right so when evaporation happens it what close to the place where the evaporation happens, the air gets cooler. And it's because you're literally cooling the air by putting water into it and diffusing, like, energy and spreading that around and, and just cooling it off.

And so if you put a wet towel, so speak, it's more technical than this, but put a wet washcloth over a thermometer and, and measure the temperature, once it equalizes, It's going to, that's going to tell you what the wet bulb temperature is, which is the theoretical lowest temperature that evaporation can make that the area around that thermometer. And the reason that's important for your body is because that can tell you theoretically what the lowest temperature you're evaporating sweat can make the air around you. Interesting. Right. Okay. Because your body is kind of like when it's sweating, you can think of it like the wet rag, right? You're just a wet rag at that point.

And so when they did a lot of these tests with people and all this kind of stuff, they found that that number. It was a 2010 study that showed about 95 degrees Fahrenheit at 100% humidity. That's safe. That's your body, if it goes beyond that, your body can no longer regulate its own temperature for a typical healthy person, by the way. This is not for everyone. Yeah, if you've got other issues, sure.

beyond this the body can't cool itself so what they did was they actually um recently just this year or maybe it might have been the end of last year they they updated that because they have new tools where they can measure this they have these little things called um what are they called uh there they're these little pills that they can telemetry pills these little pills you can put in and you can swallow and they can record your like core body temperature from from inside your body. So what they did was they gave people these these pills just normal healthy people and had them sit around in a room and just do normal things in your day-to-day life, sit and read, do stuff on your phone, cook or eat, just things that you would do. It's going about your life,

yeah. Yeah, going about your life just like as if you were just a normal person, not doing anything strenuous. And in the room that they were in, this room, they could finally adjust the temperature and humidity of the room. And so what they would do is they would add a certain humidity, they would slowly increase the temperature or increase the humidity and watch the body temperature of the person. And your body doing its job keeps you out of steady temperature, even if you increase the temperature in the room, right? Right. Right. And so the at the moment when your body's temperature starts to increase as read by this telemetry pill that's the point right there once your body's temperature starts to increase that's what

they call the critical environmental limit um and that's that's the same thing and so what they expected to see was this 95 degrees Fahrenheit right because that's what had been thought once you reach 95 degrees Fahrenheit you're on the path to heat stroke interesting so they found Do you think it's going to be higher or lower? Brian, this is fun. I'll go higher. I'm going to go lower just to see what we get here. I mean, the expected thing is higher, so it's probably going to be lower.

Yeah, you're right. They found out at 100% humidity, it actually was 88 degrees Fahrenheit. Oh, really? Really? Yeah, much lower than people expected it to be. that's when you're you're the critical environmental level and limit that's when people's body temperature started to go up and these are healthy I think they even said athletic adults um so so it could be even lower for many people and so that's the 30 that's the 30 around 30 C

that I saw people 30 Celsius oh the Celsius yeah right right um so does that so does that actually add to the I feel like you just gave us some bad some bad news because it means with these increased temperatures and with overall, you know, global temps going up, even if there are small incremental ones, but you're seeing, you know, big heat waves in places that usually don't get heat waves or whatever, we are critically in a bad position for this because it needs to be much lower than that for us to not start having issues or potentially issues. Yeah. Yeah. That's bad. Yes. Yes. That's not a great thing to know that. Now, nothing's changed in the sense that our bodies have not changed. We just now,

know that it's lower. So you could think about it as a good thing because now we know. Yeah. And we've updated our knowledge. It's actually, so at 60% humidity, by the way, which is, which is much lower than 100%. It's that, that temperature is 100 degrees Fahrenheit. So still pretty low. Yeah. And we're seeing places all the time that are getting up to 100 Fahrenheit. And it's not great. So there's a lot of parts of the world that are, that don't have air conditioning. And so what can you do? What would you do if you were,

what would you think you could do to combat heat stroke in these situations? Other than, you know, just flicking on the air conditioning, I mean, jump in the, maybe jump in the shower with the cool water going or something like that. Sure. Yeah, like if you're experiencing heat stroke, you definitely want to do something extreme like that. Now jumping in the shower is not.

I wouldn't, you know, most people wouldn't call it extreme, but extreme in the sense that you need to do something now, right? I mean, Nelly told us to just take off all our clothes. Yeah, it's getting hot in here. Yeah, it really is. That guy, I think he's one track. So, okay, I just watched Prey, and Prey has a plant you can eat. The movie shows this plant that the natives that the Comanche Nation were eating to reduce their body temperature massively, and then they could. they wouldn't bleed out, was the idea.

Do you think that was made up, or do you think that flower exists? Or are there medications like that? Can I just get something that'll go, hey, we're going to make you all cold until the predator can't see you no more? Cool off plans. Sure. It sounds like made up stuff. And if it does exist, it's probably not something you want to do.

It's actually mess with the internal temperature of your body. That's not how you want to. combat this, what you want to do is help your body maintain, like in terms of heat stroke, help your body maintain that temperature, not actually have your body's temperature change. Your body's trying to keep that temperature because that's the temperature at which your internal organs operate the best. And so you can drink lots of fluids. You mentioned, Scott, when you were in Mississippi, you think you forgot to bring water.

Yeah, I just didn't drink that day. Because if your body runs out of fluids and it stops sweating, then you're very quickly going to head to heat stroke, because that's the main way your body keeps cool is through sweat. You can stay out of the sun, of course. You can be in a place out of the sun and get the air moving. If you don't have air conditioning, turn on fans, open windows. Definitely don't be in like, if you're going to be inside with the shade, don't keep the windows closed if you don't have an air conditioner. because then it's just going to get hotter. Yeah.

And limit your activity because exerting, exerting yourself can speed up. It increases your body temperature, so you don't want to do that. Yeah. Move very, very slowly to the window and open it. Yeah. Yes.

Roll on the ground. Almost imperceivably towards the window. Yeah. That's interesting. So, and the idea, of course, being creating an alternative breeze if you don't have an air conditioner yes you're yeah you're yeah you're yeah to be moving because moving air also evaporates thing that i was going to say that contributes the evaporation that you're that you're not getting okay interesting i just is why

heat stroke is why you don't leave pets and children in cars because and and the elderly like pets children and the elderly are all more susceptible to heat stroke than than younger healthy people it makes sense yeah well uh so so the trick is everybody stay hydrated really stephen tells us right who knew that we get some stephen in our science too with buddy didn't plan on it that stephen was trying to save your life well i always had a notion but now i know for sure that guy that's all it's that's his superpower why do you think he's obsessed with comic books that's what he does uh well this is great uh if you would like to learn more about all this stuff science related it's often discussed and talked about on bobby's show all around science what

are you guys doing this week well this week it's funny that you guys mentioned uh earlier about the the earth spinning faster yeah um because we there was a news item i covered on yesterday's show that just came out so if you want to i dig in deep to what that means why it is the earth is spinning faster um if it's going to keep spinning faster and what it means for us because it actually has does have some implications for how we do things every single day here on Earth. But you don't need to be scared. People are dealing with it. They're not, like, it's GPS.

They just have to keep calculating it, right? So to make sure we know. But we do need to know the speed of the rotation of the earth in order to be doing things. But the main feature on the show was we, have you ever thought about why roots actually grow downward? Oh my gosh Yes Well some go kind of

Parallel and irritate the hell out of me And ruin your lawn But yes But they first go down Into the earth Yeah right They have to go down to go across But yeah

I just never thought about that When you plant your garden It's not like you take a seat The instructions are not to place the seed In a particular way Right It's just the plant The seed somehow knows

Some bulbs though You do want to plant With the you know A certain spot down But that's because That's true I think that that's a good point. But, you know, when you're talking about like a contained seed.

Right, right. You sprinkle them. Yeah, who cares. You just throw them down. So how does the seed know which way to grow the roots? We dug in real, like, we talked all about it on yesterday's episode. Interesting. Oh, that's cool.

Yeah. It was all around and all about science yesterday. All around and all about, but it is all around science is what you need to. Yeah. Yeah. I need to get the other thing that I won't say. so that people don't get confused. I need to go ahead and get that domain and redirect it.

Do you have people who get confused and go to the wrong place or can't find you because they think the name is that? No one's ever told me that they do, but every once in a while, people, when they're saying it out loud, they say the other one. And I have to correct them. And make sure you get the Canadian version to all a boot science because you don't want any Canadians going to the wrong place. Yeah. Good point. That. Geez.

You have a lot of Canadian listeners. Yeah, I'll bet you. So do we. Canada's there, man. Those guys are awesome. They're all listening for that. They're listening for that sound drop is what they're... Here's another one for them.

All of their little receptors just went bing. And now they're on for the next episode. Bobby, it's always good to talk to you. I hope you have a fantastic week. We'll do this again next week. And may your frozen camera ever be unbroken. Okay, it wasn't just me. Yeah, yeah, it was not just you.

That's how he keeps cool as he freezes his camera. Yeah. I mean, wouldn't you if you were bought... No, Bobby's a handsome man. He should, he wants to be moving all the time. It was a great, it was a great view of him, you know, with his like, uh, he was gesticulating. Shrinking. Yeah.

He was doing, he was doing Muppets. He was going, hello. That's right. Science. All right. Check this out. We got a quick email to get out of here. Um, and it's more of a shout out than anything, but, uh, Robin and Jim, fantastic members of our

tadpool, locals here. Uh, Jim's just one of the nicest people I ever met. And Robin, for sure. It's amazing. Every time one of my kids has a birthday or an anniversary or something, one of her amazing custom cards comes in the mail. They're just really wondrous people. Anyway, he says, hello, Renan Stimpy.

I just want to get some good vibes flowing toward my wife, Robin. She's going to go under the knife this Wednesday, as I guess that would be tomorrow, tomorrow morning for hiatal hernia surgery and includes either a partial or full wrap of the esophagus with her stomach to reduce acid reflux. She's been on a diet since early this year, and today it has lost 85 pounds. That's really great. It is great. Post surgery says that she will be on liquids between two and three weeks.

I'm going to be a champ slash chump and do the liquid diet with her if I can. Good. That's no chump at all. That's incredibly nice of you. It sounds hard, but I am in awe of you doing that, Jim. Appreciate what TMS does for our spirits as well as the tadpole and the friendships we've made over the years. You guys all rock, Jim. Well, Jim, I. B. de bloke in the chat, you were thinking about you.

Robin will do great. I have no doubt. And tell the doctor, don't be slippy fingers. Get it all done right, you know. Don't be dropping stuff or doing any weirdness. Make it his best work. Okay? That's all I'm saying. I've been to West Valley. No, I'm just kidding. You guys are going to be fine. That is good to hear. I'll be really good to hear when she gets out. So let us know. Give us a follow-up.

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frogpants.com slash TMS. We're going to go, but we can't until there's a song. So make that out. until I do this. Jeff wrote in and said, Hello, Simitar and Bardish. Today is my 56th birthday. I don't know if this has been played before on TMS.

It hasn't. But recently, I heard this song on Spotify and thought the cover master and the Tadpool might enjoy it. I do. If somebody already has dibs for request on August 9th, then feel free to play it whenever

you need to fill in an open date. Can I get a tender crisp bacon cheddar ranch? Always, and it's right here. Whoops. The tender crisp bacon cheddar ranch. There you go. There we go.

Love the show, though, signed Jeff, aka Keg Tapper when he's in the Tadpool. Well, first off, happy birthday, 56th birthday keg Tapper. Nice to see that there are people older than us, I know. I love it. I had a guy yesterday going, he was actually being kind of rude. He's a listener to the show and he's fine, whatever. But he goes, he goes, I looked up, washed up, 52-year-old internet cartoonist on Dally Mini or whatever.

And I went, 53, try to keep up. And he wrote, oops, I will, still love TMS. So I don't know why he was throwing shade, but whatever. Trolley, trolley, trolley, trolley, trolley, Trolley, McTrolley. But anyway, 56, well done, man. It's nice. Very good.

Ripe old age. All right, so the song that Jeff wanted to hear is Electric Avenue. You remember that song by Eddie Grant that goes, oi at the beginning and then in two separate instrumental breaks he goes oh yeah but then also in another one he goes oh no it's such a weird you know make up your mind edie grant i'm not sure which it is um cover is done by a band called skinred from their album shark bites and dog fights uh they released this thing back in 2009 here are skinred and their cover of electric avenue Down in the street there is violence, and there's lots of work to be done.

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