The Morning Stream - TMS 2348: Octa-Canarians

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

Congressional Medal of Jesus. I've got Covid too and I feel fine. Covid Zero. Holy Trinity of Hemsworth. THERE ARE TWO LINES! Rashy in the wet. Johnson got Fingered. Hot Throbbing Frog Off. Teepee She...nanigans. You get a pinky, and you get a pinky. Get in a canoe and EFF THE MONARCHY. Who would give Jim Henson 1 star? Show us on the puppet, what you did in Only Fans. Shenanigans with Amy! Hanging out With Dingus, His Wife and Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Coming up on TMS, Congressional Medal of Jesus. I've got COVID-2 and I feel fine. COVID-Zero. Holy Trinity of Hemsworth. There are two lines. Rashi in the wet. Johnson got fingered. Hot throbbing frog off.
Starting point is 00:00:17 Teepee shenanigans. You get a pinky, and you get a pinky. Get in a canoe and eff the monarchy. Who would give Jim Henson one star? Show us on the puppet what you did in Onlyfans. Shenanigans with Amy. hanging out with Dingus, his wife, and Wendy, and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Three tours in Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Desert Storm, three purple hearts, two silver stars, and the Congressional Medal of Jesus.
Starting point is 00:00:44 This man is a hero. This is my house. A great pair of nerd glasses in about an hour. This is the morning stream. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, September 15th, 2022. I'm Scott Johnson, and that is Brian Nibit.
Starting point is 00:01:20 Good morning, Brian. Hey, now everybody. Hey, now everybody. Hey, now everybody now. Now. Yep, that's how that song goes. That's exactly right. Uh, hey, so it's halfway through the month and that doesn't sit right with me.
Starting point is 00:01:32 I don't like that. Right. Already, right? It's the aides. We always do this, right? The aides of September. Yeah. That's just too weird because I was on the ship when the dates crossed over. And, uh, that feels like two days ago. Oh, when the month, when the month crossed over? Yeah. I'm kidding. I don't like that. No, sir, I don't. And you've been to two major cities since then. I have. And I remember saying before I went to those two major cities. I said, uh, on this very Joe, Scott, I said, with all this travel, I'm pretty much just banking on the fact that I'm going to catch COVID-19. Finally. During these trips, right? Like, I'm just, like, already resigned myself to the fact before I went to Vegas that, yeah, these two trips, I'm totally going to catch COVID-19.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Yeah. And I'm happy to say that two and a half years into the pandemic, everybody, I could finally say, there are two lines. Yep. You did it. You caught it. I did it. Yes. I'm out of the contest, Jerry. When did you do you test a positive? Test positive yesterday. And so, but here's the thing. I was telling Scott, I feel like I have COVID zero. Yeah. It's basically no sugar, COVID. COVID light. Sense of smell, fine. Sense of taste. You know, as fine as my taste has ever been.
Starting point is 00:02:54 Sure. Look at the shirt I'm wearing if you have any doubt of that. what else sinus issues no not really headaches not so much sore throat yeah a little bit last week like I had a sore throat the night after Disneyland which I attributed to
Starting point is 00:03:15 running around completely soaked after Splash Mountain because they've adjusted something in that ride to where you just are taken over by an entire wall of water Like you were just, you know, brah!
Starting point is 00:03:30 So basically for the whole night, Tina was soaked. We even went and bought, because both of our shorts just weren't drying out. Shirts were drying out, but shorts weren't so, sure enough, we went to the Star Wars store. And I bought a Marvel pair of shorts, and Tina bought a Star Wars pair of shorts. So well done, Disney. You figured out how to make sure that we buy your damn clothes is by making tuning Splash Mountain. it's good that you get new shorts though because you get rashy in the wet if you don't if you walk around all day forget that that's a terrible idea yeah i was really worried about getting the yeast infection but yeah you don't want to get yeasty no yeah but uh um had a little bit of a sore throat that night woke up the next morning completely fine yeah you know um went to the con um had a little bit of a sore throat on sunday didn't go to the expo at all that day came home fell Well, fine, tested yesterday of COVID.
Starting point is 00:04:32 So you got the little, you got the two lines, baby. Oh, yeah. So basically the only thing I've really been experiencing is just fatigue. Like basically, the universal symptom, fatigue. It feels like that's it, right? Like, that seems to be, there's no, there's been no like, oh, well, you feel this? Guaranteed, you've got COVID. But the fatigue does seem to be.
Starting point is 00:04:56 that the most common thing and then the second is like loss of smell and taste. I'm glad you didn't get the, uh, the, because the stomach version of COVID sounds miserable. A lot of people I know got that, including Jeannie and her chat. Oh, really? And you get the farts? No, not the farts. Just like the horrible, like, gut version of this.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Oh, geez. I think that's what Brushwood had, too. He had the stomach version. I have a neighbor that had that version. So they all tested positive for COVID, but it was like this horrible, like, three-day projectile both ends awful freaking flu bug and then other people are just like I'm a little sniffly and have a headache sounds weird oh god no that that I don't want it all so honestly I I don't know how long I've had it I've checked with Ashley and Jason they're both feeling
Starting point is 00:05:46 completely fine checked with I well see we heard from yeah Randy Yandy yesterday Randy how's Yandy he's fine Gary's doing fine Tina by the way Also totally fine She had COVID in May And then she got her booster more recently than I did I got my booster in July
Starting point is 00:06:06 She got hers in August So Four shots in You're about to get your fifth right Yeah I'm doing the BA 5 one on Tuesday So yeah I'll see how that goes Kim and I are going in for that
Starting point is 00:06:18 I don't I suspect nothing will They want me back in for my second shingles one That first shingles one freaking floored me. That was rough. So I'm trying to schedule that one in a way that'll be like on a day where I don't have to do anything. Jeez. Yeah. But I'm not worried about the COVID one. Yeah, I wouldn't be worried
Starting point is 00:06:34 about the COVID one. You've never had a reaction to that one. No. Been fine. Unless the B.I.5 one's like going to suddenly suddenly that one's going to have a reaction. I don't know. Maybe it will, but we'll find out. I doubt it. If you haven't had it before, I feel like, you know, it's a, it's a consistent
Starting point is 00:06:50 thing. If you have a reaction to shot number two, you're going to have a reaction to all of the the boosters and if you don't then you won't that's true if you don't you won't and so this may so if this is our battle royale Brian is out I'm still in I feel very alone in this game I feel like there's hardly anybody left so circle is finally closed in and Scott's the Scott is the victor you and Kim are the Victor I was sure I thought Bobby had it no oh no you're right his family got but he didn't right exactly so on the TMS is still in there drenched wildfire fire is still in there
Starting point is 00:07:31 yeah yeah we got a fair number in the chat and stuff yeah exactly but I'm look and it's not leave it to Johnson to turn it into a competition yeah it is it isn't a competition however I was sure this is like sure that I was going to get it on the boat that's where I thought I would get it I was sure you weren't because people were required to do a 72 hour test before they got on the boat. Yeah. I don't know why. And they don't require that in Vegas or at Disney.
Starting point is 00:07:57 I'm leaning towards the fact that my, you know, the sore throat I had a week ago, Thursday night probably means I got it in Vegas. And I just have been so asymptomatic that didn't even, didn't even notice. Yeah, I mean, that's the problem with it, right? Plus it tests late the way it works now. So you can't. Right, right. Yeah, Tina tested, like, she was.
Starting point is 00:08:21 sick for a week before, in testing, before she finally got a positive result. And she got a positive result pretty much as soon as she was feeling better. So it's, uh, same thing happened with Taylor. Yeah. She did the same thing. And it was, that was hard because the baby also had it. She had it. Dillon had it.
Starting point is 00:08:38 They all had it, but they're testing negative. They're like, what the frick is going on? Is this just some cold? And it just seemed bad enough to like, well, we better lock down and whatever and not try to spread this around. And then sure enough, like four days in, they got. positives. And if it weren't for being tired, I probably wouldn't have even tested.
Starting point is 00:08:55 The crazy neighbor, by the way, said, oh, that sucks. You know what the problem is? And I said, what? He says, that you tested. Yeah, that sounds like Dave. That's Dave. That's Dave. That's 100% a Dave thing to say. I can't think of any. I was trying to think, what would Dave say? No, that's it. That's it, right
Starting point is 00:09:11 there. He wanted to go and get sushi last night, wanted me to join him for sushi last night. I said, uh, not unless you want a side of Corona with your wasabi. He's like, oh, what happened? I told him. He's like, yeah, you know what the problem is you test it. Yeah. Because otherwise it's no problem if you didn't test, right? That's his thinking. Yeah. That's great. Dave, you're awesome. Well, I'm glad you're feeling mostly, you know, pretty okay. That's good. Yeah. I mean, you know, to put it in, to put it in my typical terms, I'm seriously, if it weren't for the fatigue, I'm still sitting at like 90%. See, that's pretty strong. That's good. Um, there's a little bit of, uh, like, you know, I get the sniffles year, year round.
Starting point is 00:09:53 People can verify by watching old YouTube videos of the show year round. I'm like, constantly going back to the Kleenex box and blowing my nose. It's allergies or some business. You had the right strategy, though. You were vaxed to the hilt. You had all the, you did all the stuff. You were precautioned all that time. We got down to a variant that is the dominant one now that is less harsh on people anyway.
Starting point is 00:10:12 For sure. And I wore, I wore a mask religiously. like Jesus, really, religiously, at both the airports, on the airplane, and at D23, when we weren't taking a picture or doing something I had a mask on. So, I have a very, I don't know, I don't know, this is maybe, everybody feels this way, maybe. But I was surprised by it, because my first flight since the pandemic was this trip. I haven't flown anywhere else. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:42 And so it's my first time on a plane since then, and also my first time wearing a mask. on a plane. And you're not required to anymore. So I did, but I did. I'm like, well, I want to hedge my bets here. Let's, you know, go in safe, come out safe, you know, whatever. Yeah. So I wore, I wore my mask the whole time. And the strangest thing happened. I didn't expect this to happen. I felt, um, it was, it's not just a COVID thing. Waring a mask on a plane just made me feel better overall like just sure there was something like a how do we put i was afraid it was going to make me feel like um claustrophobic but it had the opposite effect oh i see what you're saying it was like it was like putting a hood on a hawk you know when they do that to chill them out yeah right right
Starting point is 00:11:29 it metals them out or like putting a thunder shirt on a on a shivering dog or something like yeah so all my normal plane jitters all that was gone i just wore this mask and i just it felt better wearing it it was weird it's a great side a great side effect of this i mean you know look we haven't had we even had flus since the um since the beginning of the pandemic and us masking up and and kind of staying away from people and stuff like that so there's there's something to that extra layer of yeah you know COVID or not wearing a mask on a plane not such a big deal not such a bad thing what did that thing turn out plus I can stick my tongue out at uh the flight attendants every single time they walk by and they never know even know they have no freaking idea oh yeah yeah uh so
Starting point is 00:12:13 did you when you had that horror you had a weird flu thing like a weird one-off a while back that wasn't covid right what was that you had like no it definitely wasn't covid um did i have the flu since maybe i did it was bad you were off you you weren't here for like a week do you remember that it was bad do you not remember that i didn't remember that oh that's hardcore that was this year i believe you it probably uh affected that portion of my brain that remembers having the flu yeah or whatever whatever it was i think you were pretty convinced it was covid and then it wasn't and then and it was just hard. Yeah, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, that did knock me out for several days. Isn't it ironic, though, that this thing, which is like
Starting point is 00:12:51 the thing of the last three years, like the omnipresent, you know, bug in the air, and the one that really kills, you know, the one that's really wiping people out now are just regular old seasonal bugs. And I don't know, I guess that's good. It means we're getting to the endemic version of this. Yeah, I mean, I feel like the, you know, hey folks, uh, vaccines, work. It won't prevent you from getting it, but it'll give you these light symptoms. And I feel, I feel, I'm not taking this for granted because I know that other people who've even had the vaccine still have had a worse time with COVID than I, than I'm having. So, yeah. Still seems to be like who you are makes a huge different. Like, just, it's just different
Starting point is 00:13:33 for everybody. Right. Exactly. So, yeah, so I'm definitely lucky and grateful for that. Oh, Benjin says maybe it was after the New Orleans trip. Maybe that's right, because that was February, February. Oh, yeah, earlier, it was definitely earlier in the year, for sure. Yeah, I think so. And that was, yeah, it was, yeah, it was right after New Orleans. And I, you sounded brought in. That's, I, you sounded so sick.
Starting point is 00:13:55 I think that was, was that a flu, though, because I don't think I even had fever then either. I don't know what that was. I really can't remember. I almost need to relive it. You know, if only there was some place where people could document all of their health issues. Yeah. Well, speaking of health issues, this is pretty funny. You were in another dream that I had. Oh, good. All right.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Don't know why you were in this one, but you were. So here's the deal. I guess I've been playing too much cyberpunk and watching that cyberpunk series and just kind of getting into it a little bit. I even started reading Neuromancer, which I've never read. Oh, yeah. And it's all kind of in the same vein. And I love that stuff, you know, Blade Runner and all that. I love that.
Starting point is 00:14:37 And so in this. dream you and I owned a business it was called fingered okay oh let's let's just stop right there because there's there's no way this is I mean what people are imagining right now it's it's I'm sure your dream was a lot better than what people are probably oh yeah this is the name of that store I think was just to get people in the door although the dream was not about picking the name so I don't know how we landed on fingered hi Can I help you? Yes, one or two.
Starting point is 00:15:13 What it ended up being? Actually, you're not that far, but in a different context. Oh, no. The world of, you know, cyberpunk and those kinds of things, there's a lot of body augmentation going on, you know, cyborging yourself by adding chips and ports and augmentations that make you stronger or smarter or give you heads-up displays. Like, that's the whole, that's the vibe of that whole thing, right? That's what they do. and they called doctors rippers in that world anyway in this world you and i were rippers and our job was to give people additional fingers specifically one additional pinky per hand
Starting point is 00:15:54 so okay right we're basically adding adding a pinky or ripper docks you're right sorry a pinky to people's hands. Yes, pinky augmentation. And chat room is right. It is Ripper Docs, not Rippers. Sorry, I get that wrong. Anyway, we would add, so people would come in and say, yeah, I've got the normal five-fingered hand here, but I really like to have a sixth finger. And in the dream, it made sense.
Starting point is 00:16:16 And not outside of it makes zero sense. Why would you want the extra finger? I actually want less fingers. Like, I don't think I need my pinky. But anyway, whatever. And we would graft that on there. How do you do the shocker, Scott? That's a good point.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Yeah, how does one? If you've lost your pinky. Maybe you turn it around to use the thumb. I don't know. Oh, man, don't do that. That sounds terrible. Anyway, I didn't know what the shocker was until like four years ago, by the way. That's a relatively new thing I learned.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Anyway, so the point is, yeah, so we had this successful finger add-on business, and it was just really busy people coming in and Brian would be in the back room putting a new finger on. All right, thanks there, Bill, get out, and then the new person would come in, and I would take care of that one, and you'd work the front desk. It was just us, and we ran our fingered business. How do you feel about that? That's hilarious. I think I'm trying to come up with something like,
Starting point is 00:17:14 I think it's something we need to do in Vegas. Yeah, TMS, Vegas. 3D print, 3D print fingers. Oh, speaking of which, I should look and make sure. Oh, do you have something printing right now? I have something printing on the FDM, and I got to make sure it's not making spaghetti. I hate it when to make spaghetti.
Starting point is 00:17:31 Yeah, you don't want that. That video you sent me, by the way, was hilarious of, uh... Oh, that video is both funny and anxiety-inducing at the same time. Right. So, a description for folks, it's a time-lapse video of a 3D print. I'm sure you're pulling it up, right? That's right. 3D print getting made, right?
Starting point is 00:17:50 A layered, um, filament 3D print as opposed to a resin. And it starts building it up from the bottom and there's majestic music. I think it's, what, September by Earthwind and Fire? something like that actually i'll play it let's see uh okay chat you want to see this let's put yeah it's up to it's right i'll stick it right here it's that whole build up to uh september yeah here it is the uh the the the print gets disconnected from the plate and it just starts wandering around with just spaghetti spewing like the melted film and going blah-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l.
Starting point is 00:18:34 Because it's time-lapsed, you know that that represented a huge print time that is now lost, and the guy didn't know about it until later. Right, right. But I think he's getting more time and leverage out of this video than he probably would out of whatever that 3-D print was going to be. Yeah, it did really well. He's at 1.9 million likes. I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:18:54 There you go. 6,000 comments, 8,000 shares. I think you did all right. I love the, uh, The recorder, like the Jurassic Park was the first one I ever heard, whatever that's called. Oh, the discordant Jurassic Park one, yeah. Welcome to Jurassic Park. Oh, Titanic. Yeah, that's another one.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Oh, yeah, the Titanic one is good. I do like those. Well, anyway, be careful with your filament, everybody, and don't do, don't open a fingered business. I don't recommend it. Freddie got fingered. Freddie did indeed get fingered. All right. Never saw that. Did you ever see that, by the way?
Starting point is 00:19:34 Never saw Freddy got fingered. No. I reference it like you all the time. Yeah. There's a fingered reference. You said, Oh, Tom Green.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Yeah, like, and Rip Torn, right? Oh, I don't know. I like Rip Torn. But I was in that. That's cool. I want to say he's the dad or something and never freaking saw that.
Starting point is 00:19:54 And I can't imagine it would be good to film sack because it's trying to be funny, and usually that's harder for us. It's usually bad, yeah. I don't know. We could float it and see what everyone says, but it sounds like it wouldn't work. It could be a coucher. Well, speaking of couching, not really.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Here's this. No. That was somewhat inappropriate. Hey, look who it is. It's Redfraggle 3, aka Amy Robinson, joining us for Read This with Amy. Read this. Yeah, that's what we call it. Read this with Amy.
Starting point is 00:20:25 That's right, damn it. Fresh off her fun little TMS meetup they had down there in North Carolina. How did it go overall? Everything went good. It was great. Honestly, like, you know, we were kind of, Chuck and I especially were really stressed because we did a really silly thing and scheduled this thing for the weekend right after Dragon Con because we're crazy people.
Starting point is 00:20:50 And so we were kind of exhausted and we were like, oh, man, I don't know. I don't know if we'll do this again. but then we had such a great time we're already talking about what we're going to do next year what you know how we're how we're going to plan the next one and also how we're going to convince you two guys oh you don't have to convince us we're coming we just as long as we know we just basically have to pick a weekend where there's not something else yeah my my my strategy currently is for us to pick a weekend like you know nowish and then lock it in and be like okay so we're far enough ahead to where you guys won't have anything else. That kind of works unless, you know, D23 says, hey, that's the weekend we're going to be doing our thing because... Oh, are you now a permanent D23 year, Brian? I think I might go every year.
Starting point is 00:21:39 It might supplant BlizzCon for me, honestly. Interesting. Because I'm finding out about all these things that I completely missed over there that it's like, oh, we never even went into that section. I didn't realize there was a bunch of stuff to check out there. And it's like, damn, I want to go next time. So, all right. Well, that's cool.
Starting point is 00:21:58 I'm glad you know it. And Claire is even in the chat saying, let me know, I'll book it now. Really? You'll come to, oh, you couldn't come to Vegas, but you could go to the thing. Oh, sure. Sure. Well, we're the closer coast, you see. So, like, she just has to, you know, get in a canoe and paddle to get to us.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Whereas, you know, it would be, like, you know, she can F the, much longer. She can F the, F the monarchy all the way over. Go ahead, Brian. Sorry. I want Claire in Vegas so that I can experience. it anew through her eyes. As you say, her closer to the ground eyes, because she's
Starting point is 00:22:34 short. She's short. Yeah, she's way down there. She has a perspective none of us have. She can see. That's right. Oh, gosh. Maybe that's a bad thing in Vegas. Maybe it's like I don't want to go down Fremont Street and be looking at things foot lower, two feet
Starting point is 00:22:50 lower. Do you think, do you think we're kind of boob level with all the all the, all the, all the The nuns. The nubs. The nuby nuns. So when she looks up at us, do you think Claire sees us as bad selfies?
Starting point is 00:23:03 You know, like when you take a bad low selfie? We're all going to look bad to her, right? We all look like, I know. Imagine how handsome we'd be if Claire was taller and above us and looking down. It's like, oh, oh, you guys are lovely. Oh, I don't know why she's British. F the British, she'd say.
Starting point is 00:23:21 All right. That's the British. Well, Amy, it's good to have you here. We're going to do one of the. here segments called Read This where you're you know you got like a book or something for us to get into. Well before we get to the book I actually so if you
Starting point is 00:23:33 want to play that second clip I sent you and apologies for the sound but you asked how things went this weekend I figured I'd give you a little taste of some of the shenanigans we got up to and I'm going to pull up Twitch so I can watch this because otherwise I won't be able to see it because it's here I'll stick it in Discord
Starting point is 00:23:53 if it's a better quality for you. Oh, that's right. There you go. Oops, I sent that to Amy. Just don't start for 29 seconds because I'm watching a progressive ad featuring the lovely John Ham. Ah, John Ham. Everyone's favorite progressive available now.
Starting point is 00:24:09 All right, here we go. Scott, you stuck that in my Discord, by the way. I know, I re-posted it. I screwed up. I always do that. If I have one up before I'm talking when I'm on another one, I always forget and paste it there. Anyway, here's a, so if you can't see this on stream, I'll describe it for those at home.
Starting point is 00:24:26 It looks like Brian Nibbett being attacked by something with fire in it or something. That would be your first takeaway because you don't really realize that's a cutout of him. That looks like actual Brian about to get attacked. Oh, yeah. Oh, geez. But anyway, here it is. I'm very scared. And you'll have to explain it to me a little bit, Amy, after we're done,
Starting point is 00:24:42 because I don't actually quite know what I'm watching. Oh, absolutely. But here you go. I, it's like, I guess that should be moving in the farm. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. This is, I have the great and powerful Ibs.
Starting point is 00:25:09 I don't know how, I don't know how the sequel to Midsummer's going to turn out in the end when it hits theaters, but wow. Oh my God. Yeah. So that was after we had been, we'd had our three foot pizza, which, by the way, is kind of cool. for a novelty item, but it wasn't great pizza.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Yeah, I only liked my pizza with two feet. Yeah. That's one foot too much. You miss out on some of the other flavors. He just too many pinky toes. So anyway, we'd had our three foot pizza. We had had, you know, had our trip out to the retrocade, which, by the way, it was pretty fun.
Starting point is 00:25:48 It was not, yeah, it was fun. It was not the size of the place that we went in. Vegas, but it was the same idea, right? Very few places are. Like that place in Vegas, which was called Player One. Oh, I can't remember what it was called. Player One, right? No?
Starting point is 00:26:07 I think Player One, God, there have been so many that have come and gone that have had names like that. One up is Denver. Player One. Okay, it is Player One. That place is cavernous compared to even the places here in Denver that have been around a long time. And I've never found any place that's as,
Starting point is 00:26:25 big as that one in Vegas. Yeah, it was, that place was humongous. Can't measure by that bar. Yeah, right. Well,
Starting point is 00:26:32 Retrocade was pretty good. It did have, the, the DDR machine had the same problem as the one in Vegas where you couldn't hear the music because, you know, that makes it difficult. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Yeah. Right. Like, I'm sitting there. I'm hearing whatever's playing in the bar, but that's not what I'm supposed to be dancing to. It's impossible. I'm just,
Starting point is 00:26:51 you know, it's a poor craftsman who blames their tools, but there it is. So anyway, we'd already, we'd already been out and, and, and, and, and, and, and had that fun. And we decided to go, uh, go commit some shenanigans up in the, the, the aforementioned teepee room. And, uh, so we were having, having our little campfire up there in the tepee room. And we decided if it needed to come with us. So that's, uh, that it is like, you, you set, you spotted that correctly. It's like a little, little light that's supposed to look like a thing is on fire. And then we just started the shenanigans. And then we just started the shenanigans. And, just ensued from there. I think at one point we were playing Master of Puppets and you were head banging
Starting point is 00:27:32 with the Peepers puppets to master puppets, you know. That's fantastic. Good stuff. So you see, that's what happens when you don't come. We will create shenanigans with you. Faked me and effigy, basically is what... Yeah, have I mentioned how glad I am,
Starting point is 00:27:50 there are no floating heads of me that you can put on a stick. I'm really glad about that. Yeah. And those go all the way back to... Challenge accepted, Johnson. Look, it's been... That face is as old as, let's see, Brian was 2009, I think we did it, right? Oh, 9?
Starting point is 00:28:06 Yeah, I was going to say, it was an nerdtacular. It was one of the first nerdtaclers. I even want to say it was it Gillians. Jillians. Or not Jillians. Noah's. Noah's. Oh, yeah, it would have been for sure.
Starting point is 00:28:17 It might have been... No, it may have been before that, because I have pictures of you making that face in my house. Oh, I made that face. but those cardboard cutouts, that batch of cardboard cutouts was something that B4 Tank Girl had printed up and brought to like the second
Starting point is 00:28:33 nerdtacular at Noah's. Yeah. A bit 2012, I guess. So 10 years ago. Yeah. And when I got like the first introduction, the TMS or even whatever we were doing then, as soon as I came out, everybody pulled them out. And it was like an audience full of those faces staring back at me.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Yeah, which is a little nightmarish, really. very much so. I still wake up with a cold sweat from that. Who can blame it. It's a little uncanny. It is a little uncanny. We went from the TP room. We then decided we were going to go find
Starting point is 00:29:05 the creepy basement. There are videos and pictures all up on the Discord. If you go to other meetups, we've posted everything there for everyone's enjoyment, including like September's and Chuck's impression of
Starting point is 00:29:21 Brian of it using said face on a stick, you know, and the creepy exploration of the basement. And, yeah, there was, I mean, we didn't find anything that was directly creepy, but there was like just this walled in, brickton area that was seemed out of place. And I was like, oh, there's totally a body in there. Yeah. This is like a cask of a Monteado situation happening right now. Like, there's somebody.
Starting point is 00:29:52 yeah somebody got tricked into coming down here and then got bricked in there that's right why are there no reviews for this Airbnb it's been rented out by so many different people but there's never any any reviews afterwards yeah weird it's such a strange house I mean you know we we joked about how how how weird it was but I mean honestly the beds were really comfy everything was clean we had two fully stocked kitchens it was great it's good fun no no uh hauntings or anything that you're aware of? No, no, none that we didn't create ourselves.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Oh, gotcha. Yeah. So whoever shows up next is screwed. That's what you're saying. They're going to. Yeah. I think Panky actually created like a little series of photos with, again, with the Brian on a stick.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Like that was, it provided endless entertainment, Brian. I will, seriously. I will say that watching Chuck where the face on a stick gave me hope that maybe I could eventually be that thin again someday if I like I need to put Chuck wearing my face on a stick on my refrigerator so that when I open it up I'm like
Starting point is 00:31:00 oh maybe I'll just have an apple oh you know what you guys did you screwed up you should have taken the head on a stick take the stick off glue that thing to the underside of the top of a toilet lid and then left it there so the next people come in they open it up and go bah exactly
Starting point is 00:31:18 you know well we did We did leave, so there was, again, with the odd things in this house, there were some odd design choices going on. And when we came in on the mantelpiece in like the main living room, there was just one of those wooden hands, you know, that people use for, you know, drawing and like learning to draw hands and such. You know, it was like a poseable, uh, wooden hand. And so we put a pair of peepers on it and left it there for the next people. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah. It's like, just like geocaching in the modern.
Starting point is 00:31:50 day is what it is right yeah but it's funny you mentioned brian about you know chuck being all that's all just cycling so just keep keep riding your bike also it's the cycling and not following the cycling with a package of twinkies or zingers or right or on the bike i've earned a snickers bar because i went out on the bike yeah strapping a box of ding don't he eats like three times as much as the rest of us now because he bikes all the time and that's what he says he just like shovels food his face and he's like, oh, yeah, I'm, I'm biking now. I eat all the time. And he, he doesn't ever, it's completely unfair because I just, you know, I, of course, you guys have met me. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm plump. I'm pleasantly plump.
Starting point is 00:32:34 And, uh, but, uh, yeah, no, he never, he, in fact, has lost weight even more. And I'm like, where did you lose it from? Yeah. Where did you put it? Okay. All right. I need to, uh, yeah, back on the bike. Back on the bike, Brian. I've only written, I've only written one time since the big 150 mile business like it's it's that bad yeah yeah well so it's it's interesting this is what i would have put as my little plug after the book but since the conversation has gone this way i'll go ahead and mention chuck is doing a charity ride for the cystic fibrosis foundation and um the um the URL if you wish to donate is tiny url.com chuck bikes oh that's great what a great uh what a great a URL to snag.
Starting point is 00:33:20 That's going to be much easier to remember. Chuck Bikes. Chuck Bikes. And he has said that if he manages to raise at least $500, which currently he's at like $150, he will record himself doing a ukulele cover of the song, Cover Me. So there you go.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Listen, I heard his rainbow connection, which I thought was fantastic. Which, you know, aside from forgetting some of the words, his performance, his ukulele performance was great. Well, speak in a segway, Scott, you can play that first clip I sent you. Oh, very nice. Okay. Let's do it. This is like Christmas.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Hold on. Shit. I've lost the page. Hold on. Here we go. Okay. Now we're back here. The first clip is this one, which is now opening.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And I will hit play on. All right. Here you go. Is it playing? It's trying to play. play. I'm waiting for Google Photos
Starting point is 00:34:19 to let it happen. Here we go. He'll figure it out. And what's on the other side. You know, no, Chuck could do this? Yeah. For idiots And we've always
Starting point is 00:34:52 Have nothing Too high I can never remember the song But I've been told And some choose To believe it I know
Starting point is 00:35:04 They're all waiting And see Someday we'll find it The rainbow Connection The lovers The dreamer It's like one of those movie tropes where like one person starts singing and then
Starting point is 00:35:23 And then slowly it like filters through all the the whole audience and then by the end everybody's singing it Yeah Yeah, that's pretty much how it went He does it great, by the way, he does it great Kermit the Frye That's pretty good for him, yeah, I think Scott Fletcher's going to be pissed He did this one Why are there so many? I'm telling you there's there now we got to get through though
Starting point is 00:35:43 Now we got a fight I think we need to have a frog off at TMS Vegas 2022 or 23 frog pants frog off let's go that sounds that sounds like a great idea oh yeah no he actually met jane henson and he was he was introduced to jane henson and somebody who said oh by the way jane come meet chuck he does a great kermit check this out
Starting point is 00:36:07 and chuck's like uh uh okay wow yeah pressure i would have freaked out dude that's uh yeah You're in front of the wife of one of the greatest voices of all time, and boom, you got to do it. How did he do? Did he do it in front of her? Yeah, he did. And I mean, you know, he's Chuck.
Starting point is 00:36:29 He, you know, yes and, you know, I mean, he improved it. Sure, sure. But just did the high hole, Kermit B, frogs here. Side note, his socks looked like they got holes in the front and the back. I know they're not. They're like pink or whatever, but they look like his feet are. of these things, which I think is kind of great. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Yeah, no, they're bombas, so they have those pink, but yeah, you're right. It does, it just looks like he's barefoot, but with, like, gray things over his. I love their socks. They have the best socks. Yeah, he's raving about them as well. They're so good. Yeah, they're fantastic. Anyway, all right.
Starting point is 00:37:06 All right. So a book. We have a book about books. Yeah. So that brought me into today's book. So today has just been like, you know, just kind of a meandering path to get us to the segment. So it's been really good.
Starting point is 00:37:18 So I figured I'd just do a couple of readings from there's a book. It's called It's Not Easy Being Green and Other Things to Consider by Jim Henson, the Muppets, and Friends. So essentially this was a compilation of quotes, stories, anecdotes, et cetera, from Jim Henson's world. And I think this was compiled actually after he passed away. But so there are many quotes from Jim himself in here and also from like Frank Oz. So I'll just, I'll just read you a couple. If just one person believes in you deep enough and strong enough, believes in you hard enough and long enough, before you knew it, someone else would think, if he can do it, I can do it. Making it two, two whole people who believe in you.
Starting point is 00:38:08 And maybe even you can believe in you too. That's from Robin and the Muppet game. and then this one's from Frank Oz Jim didn't tell you what to do he just was and by him being what he was he led and he taught but by not answering sometimes you answered your own question
Starting point is 00:38:30 and you could do more than you thought you could and then one last one that's from Jim himself as children we all live in a world of imagination of fantasy. And for some of us, that world of make-believe continues into adulthood.
Starting point is 00:38:49 Certainly, I've lived my whole life through my imagination. But the world of imagination is there for all of us, a sense of play, of pretending, of wonder.
Starting point is 00:38:59 It's there with us as we live. So, it's nice. So it's great. It's one of these, you know, it's not a, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:08 get really engrossed and it, read it cover-to-cover kind of book. It's a, it's a book. that's great to pick up if, you know, if you're having kind of a down day or if you're like, you know, gosh, I need some inspiration or I need some, I need a pep talk, you know, it's a great little book to just pick up. Yeah, I mean, less than like stories or an autobiography, this is, is just, um, quotations and things that'll brighten, brighten your day. Brighten your day. Exactly. I like that a lot. Yeah. I just bought it. I spent, it's a really nice little book to just have a round. It's only 10 bucks on Kindle. I read all this stuff on Kindle. I read all this stuff on Kindle. I,
Starting point is 00:39:42 just bought it. It's available now as you grab it. It came out in 05, so that would have definitely been after his death. But the reviews on this thing are just like pristine. Everyone loves it. Sure. Yeah. I mean, there's there's stories from... Who wants to be the A-hole that like thumbs down on Jim Henson's like, oh my God. Yeah. Who's the one star in there? And don't hang with that guy at all. Oh, my gosh. Right. Yeah. I mean, so there's, let's see, there's contributions from, like I said, Frank Oz in here, um, Jerry Jules. Brian Henson You know
Starting point is 00:40:17 I mean there's there's lots of Lots of people who contributed to some of the stories and the Just the little anecdotes and and impressions of of Jim Dave Goals You know there it's all it's all great great stuff so Definitely recommend anybody who wants you know just a just a nice little pick me up To have around I will be reading that that business asap it looks good uh very very cool nice recommendation uh if you are uh into
Starting point is 00:40:50 just cool recommendations from amy she's red faggle three everywhere okay all the places yeah only fans red faggle three right we had an only fan that happening no oh wow i can't wait to see what happens with those puppets and peepers you've never seen peepers like these peepers uh anyway i hope uh september still has the Brian face. That's a whole different place for, you know, the red fraggle pom-poms to go. That is true. Who keeps the face, by the way? Who hangs on to that?
Starting point is 00:41:23 Is it September? Oh, the Brian face? Yeah, that's that belongs to September. Okay. All right. Keep that thing safe. Keep it secret. Keep it safe.
Starting point is 00:41:34 I don't know if there's a possible to make any more. Yeah, we don't have the technology to reprint any. So hold on to it forever, all right? A collector's item. It'll be worth, you know, 50 cents one day. It's always good having you on. I hope for nothing but a great week for you and a little bit of rest because you've been kind of running around like crazy. Yeah, that's why I'm like, I keep getting offers from friends to go do stuff this weekend and I'm like, no.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Yeah. No, I'm staying home. And you too, Brian, be sure and get rest because I realize you feel okay. But yeah, like I'm still kind of feeling the effects from when I had COVID a while back ago. Just when I, when I do stuff like, you know, climb stairs or lift heavy things or whatever, I'm like, okay, I can, this is, this is not just, you know, I'm in my 40s now. This is like distinctly harder than it used to be. So, you know, be sure and get, get you, you know, don't, don't try and push yourself just because you feel okay. Make sure you rest.
Starting point is 00:42:33 We'll do. Rest is best, says all the doctors when it comes to COVID. So, yeah, good idea. Do it undressed. What? Hello. have a good one, Red Fragles slash Amy. We'll see you soon. All right.
Starting point is 00:42:45 She's out of here, and that means that we've got time for one story. How about that? Sounds good. Let's do that. News story. Here we go. Time for the news, real quick, and it's brought to you by.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Yeah, still going to do a Coverville today. I know, because I'm just a freak, a workhorse, or whatever. Fiona McAfee Maggert. That's her full name. Good Lord. Fiona Apple, McAfee Maghirt. It turned 45 this week. So let's do a special cover story episode featuring the music of Fiona Apple.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Covers of and by her. By the way, she even did a cover, not of Rainbow Connection, but of Pure Imagination, which is one of those songs that I kind of put in that same basket as a rainbow connection. You'll hear that. Covers of paper bag, criminal, of course, extraordinary. machine as well as probably her cover of Sally's song from The Nightmare before Christmas. All this and more coming up on today's cover of 1 p.m. Mountain Time Twitch.tv slash coverbill. Was it not easy being green written by Paul Williams, do you know? Paul Williams, or Andy Williams?
Starting point is 00:43:57 Andy Williams? Paul Williams? Paul Williams, yeah. Paul Williams, yeah. It's not easy being green. I didn't know Paul Williams wrote the Love Boat theme. I have no freaking idea until I started noticing it in the credits. I'm like, Paul Williams did the thing. I'm like, are you kidding? He did that and all the Muppety shit, and he was a busy dude, that Paul Williams. Right. Yeah, he really was. And he looked like a mole.
Starting point is 00:44:19 He did, a little, little short dude, big mop of blonde hair and glasses and stuff. And then he blew me away in Goliath. He was really good in Goliath. He was the guy in the camper that Billy Bob Thorne would go to. That was Paul Williams, and he just blows my mind. He's just in there, write more music, probably. I guess so. All right, here's your one and only story of the day.
Starting point is 00:44:40 before we bring Wendy in. Australians want Steve Irwin on their money, not King Charles. They don't want Charles' face on there. I love that. Yeah. I don't think they're going to get it, but that's what they want. Australians have been suggesting iconic Aussie celebrities to replace the queen on the country's bank notes with zookeeper and national treasure Steve Irwin being a popular choice.
Starting point is 00:44:59 The British monarch is Australian's head of state and features on the country's currency. I mean, they are the queen's prison after all. following the queen's death on September 8th, the Australian National Bank announced the next day that the King Charles III would appear on the $5 notes in the late monarch's place. The same goes for coins,
Starting point is 00:45:18 which will be minted with the king's portrait. And let's see, the image will face left the opposite direction of his predecessor, a 17th century tradition that says the direction must alternate when there is a new monarch. Very important. Wow. I want to know who else is on this list,
Starting point is 00:45:37 I've pulled up a, like, there's a mock-up of the Steve Irwin. I found a tweet that's got all the, from Charles Rockhill. Someone put it on. Yeah. Yeah, so Steve Irwin, let's see. Who's that? That is, I cannot tell who that is. Oh, Kylie Minogue looks like one of them.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Yeah, you've got to go through your list. Yeah, I can't tell who any. I'm going to put this link in the chat. Maybe some of these, maybe people recognize who some of these. people are. I would like to submit George Miller for consideration, please. Sure. Sure.
Starting point is 00:46:12 The director, writer, and creator of all things, Mad Max. Of course you would. Yes. You could also, hey, Russell Crow's had his trouble, but get him, you know, get little Russell Crow in there. Why not? And make it fat old Russell Crow. That's what I want.
Starting point is 00:46:26 It's like current Russell Crow. Yeah, who's like, oh yeah, Colin Hay belongs on currency. Yeah, Australian currency. You got a bunch of different coins and stuff. Any Hemsworth? sure you want to put a Hemsworth put the ugly weird one on Westworld put that one or just all three on one like yeah the Trinity the Holy Trinity of Hemsworth the holy Trinity of Hemsworth yeah or this girl this new oh you still not are watching it so
Starting point is 00:46:51 you don't know about her but this new girl um a relatively unknown actress who's in the the house of the dragon she's playing the the early episodes of the princess as she's young and my gosh she steals that show she's so oh really cool what is it with you Australians and your talent and your ability to just kind of suck up the room. I just don't get it. Yeah, Millie Alcock, Alcock, Milly Alcock. She's amazing. Really?
Starting point is 00:47:18 Mind-blowingly good. She needs to be in everything after this. She's so good. Anyway. Margo Robbie's Australian, isn't she? She is, yeah. Yeah, put her on there. All the good people are Australian.
Starting point is 00:47:31 Yes. And they can fake our accents, so we don't even know when they're here. Exactly. it's it's Australian money that'll sound just like American money let's see all Australian banknotes issued from 1913 retain their legal tender status so as we spoke earlier about that happening in Canada same thing here if you already have the money it's still good you just the new stuff will roll out with Charles's face on it and I'm sorry
Starting point is 00:47:58 I want you to get Steve Irwin I want you to have these other people it ain't going to happen won't happen yeah be great if it did but It won't happen. I'm sorry to say. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister Wendy will roll on up to the front row here and talk to us about a mystery topic today. She's going to lay, what was it? She's going to lay some monumental psychotherapy on us or something like that.
Starting point is 00:48:23 Her exact words were, let's see, I got it right here. She says to me, a psychological phenomenon, I'll have it ready by your call. That's what it is. A psychological phenomenon. For nominomon. Phnomon domenon. Do, do, do, do, do. Claire, who are you effing off?
Starting point is 00:48:40 Who are you telling me? Oh, she just doesn't. She wants no more King News, King Charles News. Oh, no more Charles News. What about the other time he was mad at a pen? Because it didn't work, right? How about that? I like that, yes.
Starting point is 00:48:51 All right, we're going to do that break, but we got to have music. Do you have some? I do. One country that's not going to have to change what their money looks like is Japan. And from Japan, we get Shintaro Sakamoto, who has a brand new album. his fourth solo EP called Like a Fable. It's out now on Zillone Records.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Big thanks to Secretly Distribution for getting this out to me. There's actually even a new animated video that is associated with this one. I watched. It's a lot of fun. The new song is One Day. Here is Shentaro Sakamoto. Two, three, four. The other side of the boat of up and
Starting point is 00:49:38 have been a-nook-n-lawyer-co-to-de-a-le-cote-to-de-a-lew. My foot-de-gwa, my gick-shack-to-shack-to-chit-cuit to have-n't-nigh-n't-nigh-it-kka y'all-n't-cuit-cook, but... The house of the family are do you? If you're going to,
Starting point is 00:50:08 I don't know what I can't say. Stuck there's a lot of there, so I'm going to, I'm down to and then I'm going to sit. you know,
Starting point is 00:50:25 I'm trying I'm looking and when I'm jacks
Starting point is 00:50:34 you see with a clas and I know
Starting point is 00:50:42 I I people people and they're me look at
Starting point is 00:50:50 I'm what I'm going to be I'm going to be it in a lot of it. The real kind of feeling is, I'm doing, I'm going to be doing,
Starting point is 00:51:09 I'm going to do you know and I just say, and I-sacet to come back
Starting point is 00:51:23 Do you know what I'm going to do with Do you know what I'm going to be able to do you. You know what I'm going to be able to do not be a good grubrame in There's time But there's time, but This is good I'm going to I can't get it
Starting point is 00:52:04 But I can't I'm going to get I'm going to I'm going to I'm down and I'm up and Aisett
Starting point is 00:52:17 Siette I'm To get back I'll get a little a day of I know I know.
Starting point is 00:52:50 I think we should start seeing other people. Then you're going to have to pay for your own bananas. This is the morning stream. And we're back. Who was that again? That was Shintaro Sakamoto. Brand new song called One Day from his fourth solo. LP, which just came out, called Like a Fable.
Starting point is 00:53:24 I can tell them playing too much freaking cyberpunk, because that name, Sakamoto, I think, is in the game. I'm sure it is. That's a, I want to say that's a fairly common. That's like a, well, it's probably like the Williams or the Johnson of, Yep. It's one of the big corpos, too. It's not the Smith or Jones, but it's up there.
Starting point is 00:53:44 No, no, no. But the whole corporate side of those, of cyberpunk is so fast. because it's very Japanese corporation heavy. Yeah. Whether or not that's actually what will happen in the future, I don't know. But in the 80s, we had this notion that Japan was going to just run everything one day. And cyberpunk leans into that. Of course, that was all written in the 80s, so why wouldn't it?
Starting point is 00:54:07 But that's so good. That game is good right now. Stray, which also has that kind of takes place. Oh, yeah. Right, because it's all robots and future business, right? Yeah. Yep. That's how I'm getting rest is.
Starting point is 00:54:20 just playing, playing stray. How are you liking it? I like it so far. I mean, it's heartbreak in the beginning, but I love the controls and I'm just, I'm just, you know, like half an hour into it, barely into it. Hearing really good things about it. I need to play it. Still, on plus, I think, I should just get it.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Why am I not playing that? Yeah, I don't know why. You've got access to it. I have access to it. You're right. Still like in the top 10 sales chart on Steam. It's doing really good. All right.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Let's get Wendy in. Yeah. Before, you know, that little timer runs out that we have that we don't actually have. That arbitrary timer. Yeah. And see how she's holding up with my mom visiting and all that stuff. Let's find this thing to push this button here. Hey, look who it is.
Starting point is 00:55:07 It's my sister Wendy, the professional therapist who comes on the show on Thursdays and helps people with real problems right here on TMS. Hello, Wendy. Welcome back. Hi. Thank you for having me. Sure. uh so you uh Brian hi Brian hi Wendy how are you so you have you have two uh oxigenarians what are they octicanarians oxygenarians oxygenarians uh staying with you 90 so what's that oh nova nava genarian
Starting point is 00:55:37 I don't know they never talk about them uh you never hear that because most people don't make it I guess um yeah I forgot he's 91 or whatever he is uh how's that going any special needs are they is everything smell like talcum powder and mothballs or what's going on well i we don't have room for them to stay here so they are at a hotel oh oh that's much better that's good well i mean we offer we have we have a guest bed that whatever but it's they're just it's not a comfortable thing you got to be like 60 and under wrap probably to do it yeah i thought misha was going too but i guess she was going on a separate trip but at the same time she's gone somewhere else yeah uh yeah no so they're at a We have a bunch of places to stay about five minutes away that's surrounded by, you know,
Starting point is 00:56:23 Chick-fil-Ais and Trader Joe, so they're taking care of over there. There's someone else is babysitting them while I work today. That's good. So when, so what, you guys have massive plans with them at all or anything big going on? Yeah, we're going to do lots of fun things. So we're taking up to a cabin. Mom's so funny. He calls the other day, she's like, do you have bug spray?
Starting point is 00:56:45 Yeah, she's like, I know. I know a lady here from Minnesota, and she says that the bugs are, the mosquitoes are unbelievable. And so you've got to have bug spray. And I was like, yeah, I mean, they're here for sure. But I haven't had like a whole, a single bite all summer. Yeah. And she's like, but this lady used to live there. And I'm like, mom, she has lived in Orham, Utah for 20 years.
Starting point is 00:57:08 She maybe doesn't remember exactly. Or she had a rough summer that year and the one she doesn't remember. I don't know. But I'm like, I'm literally here. right now. Yeah, I live here. That kind of thing. I live here and I know what the mosquitoes are like right now.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Right this 20 years ago. That's funny. Anyway, so we're going to go to a cabin and you just watch it. There'll be just a thousand mosquitoes. Yeah. Well, I'm excited about the stories you're going to have. And we're taking them sailing. A friend of mine has like kind of this old boat that she can, I don't know, you get a skipper
Starting point is 00:57:42 to run it. I don't know. I hope we don't die, but we're going to take them on a sailboat down. I hope you don't die. either. I think that would be really sad if he died. But John, I think John would make a pretty good flotation device if you needed. It'll all work out.
Starting point is 00:57:55 He'd be so grumpy about it. No, it's good. They're, they're having fun and it's great. My favorite thing is Kim gets back. Kim took him to the airport while I was on the show. Yeah. And she came back and I go, how to go? And she goes, first thing John did when we pulled up into the, because we have a brand new airport here in SLC and it's a little different
Starting point is 00:58:14 the way you drop people off. And so they pulled up and there was somebody, you know how you, when you're doing drop-offs. There's always somebody who's trying to get out, but there's traffic, so they're slow and you can't quite get their space shut and all that. The very first thing out of his mouth was, if this was New Jersey or New York,
Starting point is 00:58:30 that guy'd be fired or he'd be arrested by now or towed out of here. I'm like, dude, you're not even in that plane yet. I don't want to, I would never want to go on this trip with you. But anyway, Wendy, have fun. I'm sure it'll be great. He'll be no problem. It's going to be great. Yeah, you'll do fine.
Starting point is 00:58:48 All right, you're going to lay an egg on us today. We have no idea what today's topic is. Because we didn't have any sort of premonition about this. We didn't talk about it. We don't know. And I kind of like that, actually, once in a while. So, why don't you tell us. So I'm going to start with something weird.
Starting point is 00:59:04 I just threw this in, and I'm going to do it first because I know I'll forget once we get started. But it is kind of related. All right. So you know how every once in a while I like to pimp one of my friends' little things they're doing. Yeah. There's not an actual prostitute, everybody. This is just a friend of the thing.
Starting point is 00:59:19 That's the words you've always used and I'm just copying it. That's fine. You're doing like me. Yeah, that's good. So anyway, so I just, I want to try something. So she runs a really cool business out of London and it is a, it's so cool. And this will lead to my topic, which is about sort of creative people and sometimes a thing that can be pretty common about that.
Starting point is 00:59:47 So anyway, this is a creative person. That's my tie. Here we go. Anyway, it's called the Museum of Architecture. And she's done this super cool thing where she has combined, she went to architect's school and then has combined, like, her love of architecture with creating really cool things. So if you Google that or follow, and really what I want to do is I want a bunch of people to follow or just to freak her out. That's all, that's all I'm asking.
Starting point is 01:00:11 That's the whole thing. Okay. Got it. I give you free therapy. You just follow. follow this personal on Instagram. It's not hard. What's your account again?
Starting point is 01:00:19 We may as well say it up front. Yeah. Museum of Architecture. I think the Instagram is at M-O-A underscore News. M-O-A-U-A-U-Sew. Looking it up here now. Instagram.com slash M-O-A news or search for it on Instagram. Oh, it says, sorry, this page is not available.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Oh, boo. Look at me already doing it wrong. Hold on. Let me find it. Okay, do this. Look up Museum of Architecture. And here's the cool thing. This is the reason I want you guys to check this.
Starting point is 01:00:44 out. It is, hold on, of architecture in London. Looking it up here. London. Okay. And so it's dot org, museum of architecture.org. There you. I found it.
Starting point is 01:00:57 Yeah. And what's awesome? And so let's figure out how you follow them. There's probably a contact us here somewhere. Yeah. So what is so cool? And if you can. Found it.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Check it out. Oh, it's literally museum of architecture on, on Instagram as well. That's the whole username. Yeah, there we go. Give her a follow. And this is what's so cool. Because just, you know, this is the way the world works. You need more eyeballs on these things.
Starting point is 01:01:24 Yeah, I agree. Anyway, this is what I love. And if anyone is in Europe or anyone is in London, this, you have to participate in these things. It's just so cool. So they do these tree houses. What they do is they get architects to design these incredible tree houses. And then it's in Kew Gardens. So that's one of the projects.
Starting point is 01:01:45 And they're tree houses you can climb in and they do. I mean, it's really cool stuff. But this is the one I want, I want her to bring to America because how cool. I mean, it would kill here. But basically it's called Gingerbread City. I don't know if you can find it on our website. Looking. I did just see that on the main side.
Starting point is 01:02:04 I found that. Yeah. It pops up like, well, it's a pop up. Oh, yeah. There is right there. The Gingerbread City. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:02:13 So look at gingerbread city, and it's having architects build, and it's for the public to go and see, but these architects get, you know, the equipment from her. And then they have this entire city of these incredible gingerbread houses. Wow. And, you know, they're so fun. What the frick. Holy shit. I know, dude. I love it so much.
Starting point is 01:02:35 I think it's just such a cool. And I love the combination of, like, you know, all these different professionals getting to do this fun, creative thing. that, you know, maybe they're building buildings all the time or something and they get to do this cool tree house or whatever. Anyway, so it's really fun and she does lots of cool stuff there. So give her a follow, a mention. I don't know how this crap works, but I think it's rad. Yeah, so museum of, uh, museum, sorry, what's it called? Museum of architecture.
Starting point is 01:03:03 You go to the gingerbreadcity.com, by the way. It's, it's its own URL. Yeah. Oh, they have their own thing. That's cool. Yeah. And she's been trying to get it in Chicago and maybe New York. and I'm like constantly like please please I'll come I'll bring people let's do this oh I'd go to this so cool so cool here right y'all would murder this would be amazing yeah it would be very fun so just somebody could follow just so she gets a couple numbers and goes well because it will surprise me well I follow just now I'm sure others have get in there everybody let's let's let's do a little life hack here and get her some followers I love the life hacks that you guys do nice awesome okay so I start with that and that leads to this which is
Starting point is 01:03:43 Um, anyone in the creative world, you two who I'm talking to are in the creative world. Um, a common thing that can happen. And this, and we'll, we'll get to sort of how it might be connected to some other things, too. Um, but there is a thing, have you ever heard of this called sensitive, sorry, rejection sensitive dysphoria. I've never heard of this. No. Yeah. Okay. So, so let me just find out. You sound like you didn't believe me. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Okay. Well, let's see. Okay. So, well, basically what it is, let's get, you know, it's not like a disease in itself. You know, like any kind of dysphoria or disorder or, you know, we've labeled things lots of different things. So let me start with this caveat. And lots of people might recognize if they have ADHD, this is a lot more common with folks that have ADHD, actually.
Starting point is 01:04:38 Yeah. And it is not a medical diagnosis, but it's kind of. helps you understand some things you have that often go along with ADHD. You can have this without ADHD just tends to be more common, okay? Right. So dysphoria, as we all know, we think we all know, it's kind of hard. It's a Greek word for hard to bear. So people can have, like, being just sort of totally dragged down,
Starting point is 01:05:05 and it kind of causes almost an other experiential kind of thing, kind of, you know, think about dysphoria or euphoria, right? Like, you're in a different plane almost, right? So dysphoria is the D part of the rejection syndrome here, is that it really does get you in a completely different headspace. Okay? Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:05:28 So what it is is that you get easily embarrassed. Yeah. Another form of this, you get really, really angry or have emotional outbursts when it feels like someone is rejecting you or hurting you. Really high standards you set for yourself and they're almost impossible to meet. Often this results in low self-esteem, feeling especially anxious in social settings, having problems in relationships because you kind of are perceiving everything as rejection. You stay away from social situations and withdraw from other people.
Starting point is 01:06:03 You can feel like a failure because you're not living up to what you think other people are expecting of you. And this can sometimes lead to thinking about her. hurting yourself. It can be readily disorienting and overwhelming to have this kind of experience. Does it count if you are just annoyed with everyone and don't feel like hanging out with them? Where does that land? That is not it. That is just losing steam in your daily. Burned out. I don't know. It could be burned out. It could be just maybe and maybe a sign you're not taking care of some things. Yeah. You know, like, okay, so I assume you're feeling that right now. Well, I am, I shouldn't say it's everybody.
Starting point is 01:06:45 There's plenty of people I'd love to hang out with right now. But the idea of like, we need to see the so-and-so's. It's been a while. I just go. Obligation stuff. Ugh. No, I don't want to. They're weird anyway.
Starting point is 01:07:00 That guy posts stuff on Facebook that makes me melt. I don't want anything to do with these people right now. Like that kind of stuff. I just have no time for it. Whereas I feel like in my earlier life, I would force myself to, just go through with it. It's like, okay, sure, we'll do it. We'll, we'll deal with it for one night, no big deal. Now I'm like, dude, life's too short. I don't want to hang around Dingus and his wife, you know? I don't know. That's an age, developmental age appropriate
Starting point is 01:07:27 thing, actually. Like, think about, like you said in my younger years, you know, you're still building your social connections and you're figuring out what you like and don't like, and you will override what you want to do for other social reasons. relationship reasons or whatever, right? This is, I mean, how do you think you get grumpy old men? Yeah, that's true. It has to start somewhere. And it starts about 40 and it starts to be just like, I don't want to do what other people
Starting point is 01:07:54 want me to do. Like some of those old rules maybe or kind of the general things that you felt pressure to be or say or do, they just kind of fade because you realize none of that matters. None of it actually matters. Like all of that stuff is just a waste of time or feels like a waste of time. And so I'm much more picky about that sort of thing. So if, you know, Kim said, hey, do you want to hang out with the so-and-so's who we haven't seen three, four years for a reason? Do you want to see them and hang out on a Friday night with them?
Starting point is 01:08:27 Or would you rather, you know, build a snowman with the neighbor kid? I'd rather do that. In a heartbeat, I would build a snowman. Like, I don't, I just don't think the other stuff is, I don't know how to explain. It sounds selfish, but I just, it just sounds like, it seems like a waste of time. Like, literally, it's, it's practically a bad idea now. But whereas before I'd be like, oh, really? Well, okay, I guess so. I don't feel that way anymore. Now I'm like, oh, really? That's not. Right. Okay. So, so let's just think in terms of, of what advantage that is to have. We will get back to my topic. I'm not even more. Sorry, I didn't mean to tear you away. It's okay. It's okay, because this is actually, this is great and I it's great because it's very common too right and people start to not feel like themselves in ways like or people don't recognize you in the same way because you aren't following
Starting point is 01:09:23 the same rules or you know whatever and so there can be conflict that comes from this um it's like letting relationships die or letting a friendship end even if you've had it for a long time because some of our real feelings are finally being allowed to be there as opposed to obligation. So let's start really quick with how, how, why is it an advantage in a society to have people feel these social obligations first? Like, why is that a beneficial thing? And is it a negative thing too? Or is there value, what's the value in that? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. You know, it's, it's protection right now, right? Because. Yeah, there's a bit of that, I guess. Less exposure. Didn't think of it that way. I wonder if there's, that maybe is part of it.
Starting point is 01:10:11 part of it. I don't know. I mean, I'm often, one of the problems around here is, and Kim will attest to this, but I get so much of my social fill. Like, those needs are usually filled by my work relationships and the shows and listeners and fans and those interactions all day are, by the time the day ends, I'm like, okay, I'm done. I need. you know, a foot massage and a freaking, right, like I don't want it to go out and then do it again. And you might say, well, it's not the same as face to face and it's not. You're right, but, you know, it'll take something out of you. Yeah. It takes some, it does. It takes all that energy, that social energy that you have gets sucked away. And so when everyone else is all stoked to go be all social on a Friday night, because their jobs are in front of a computer and a spreadsheet all day, I'm like, I've been talking to people all day every day. I don't want to go talk to people, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. I'd rather,
Starting point is 01:11:11 watch TV. Yeah. Well, and if you think about, you're getting what you need elsewhere so it doesn't feel that way. However, then does Kim have the opposite thing happening? Like she needs the face. She needs that sort of thing more. Pretty often, yes.
Starting point is 01:11:28 So, like, today she's out, doing who knows what with her sister. They're out. It's her sister's birthday, but they're spending the day being very social, seeing a bunch of friends. They haven't seen doing a little shopping, having a little shopping. having brunch somewhere like doing the whole the big social get out there thing which sounds miserable to me um but she but she's you know that's her her version of it and and and so i like i'm not pretending i don't know i know that that's the case like i know that it's that it's
Starting point is 01:12:01 if anything hers is the more normal normal hers is the more normal activity for having your social needs met and mine is unusual but I just can't kind of help it because that is where I'm at like that's what I do and so I don't have really a choice you know yeah yeah well and everyone's going to be different here I think you know the binary of introvert extrovert isn't isn't a hundred percent binary or accurate but there is a reality that you can get energy from things and energy is taken from you from those same things and you know you're married to each other That's usually how that works. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:41 And so that's normal. I always refer to, what the heck is that show? You guys are going to help me because my brain just cramped where there's the emotional vampire. Oh. Oh, what we do in the shadows. Yeah, Colin Robinson. He's the best. I love him.
Starting point is 01:12:56 One of the greatest characters I've ever seen. No, it's an inspired freaking amazing role. It's genius. And when the other lady goes in the office and she's also in a. That's an amazing arc. It's so good. I haven't gotten the end of this season, but apparently that Colin Robinson has a huge part of the ending of this season. I can't wait to see what they did. Anyway. Well, and that is, I always use that example when I'm talking to introverts who are like, I just need to recover. I, you know, like I can't expend all this energy, but I feel bad because
Starting point is 01:13:33 the world seems to be successful for those who just are ready to go to the fifth bar in one night or whatever. you know, there's that pressure to feel like, especially when you're younger, because you're now older going like, I don't feel that pressure, I don't care. Yeah. But I think when you're younger, part of that is, again, building your social life and what you're supposed to want and whatnot. But I always invoke Colin Robinson to just be like, just watch him and recognize that introverts are sucking your energy. Like, they're actually taking from you. Now, maybe not in the same way, of course, but just like they get energy. from social interactions and this kind of leads to the getting to know yourself thing of like what do
Starting point is 01:14:14 you actually need um often i'm spending time with clients going through this exercise of like take a minute and and what do you need and we'll find that a lot of people have not done that much in their life it's what does someone else need what is needed to be done um but like slowing down and saying do I need a nap? Is it a powerful question? And then what happens often is we find that folks are like, what I need is someone to help me to do this thing. But then we realize, oh, I don't ask people for help.
Starting point is 01:14:49 That's not something I know how to do. Yeah, I'm terrible. And so we're sort of peeling back these layers of what you have to do to conserve your energy or to thrive in your life requires a couple layers deep of like what were the messages you were taught? on where did your energy go? Like I recently had a client tell me about some little crocheted thing her mom had on the wall that has nearly destroyed her life.
Starting point is 01:15:16 And that sounds really dramatic, but it was some way of just like, you know, make the best of hard things. It was supposed to be like motivational. But what's ended up happening and not to say this is the cause of everyone's problem, but what it did was sort of validate all the crappy relationships everyone had because you're not supposed to have perfect relationships.
Starting point is 01:15:35 It's supposed to be hard. So everyone's in a crappy relationship. And so, and her case is very dramatic. So, you know, we were joking about, like, what should actually be crocheted on people's walls to have a good effect? Because that stuff impacts you. Like, what we do in our family with our free time is this or we don't do this. And you just have to listen to parents for five minutes in a grocery store to hear some of those rules, you know, that they're placing, you know, and repeating and repeating. Um, a great trick to do at dinner with your family, anybody, is to ask everyone what,
Starting point is 01:16:10 this is a terrible game, but it's super funny. And because you get a lot of feedback you didn't know you were ready for, which is, what is the thing mom would never say? Yeah. Or what is the thing dad would never say? Or what's the thing the kid would never say? And it got a little rough. Like, um, like one kid said about another kid, uh, that kid would never say, you know what?
Starting point is 01:16:34 I need to shower and put deodorant on. Oh, man. Who would have thunk it? You know, whatever it might be. But it's a great way to get some unsolicited feedback and feel pretty crappy. So I recommend that highly. Yeah, get right in there and get that done. Wow.
Starting point is 01:16:50 Yeah, you know, just real quick, you're talking about that thing on the wall that's supposed to motivate. Yeah. I really do think I took this from dad. And I don't think it was a malicious taking or giving. but he was notoriously unwilling to ask anyone for help for anything ever and so when things were tight financially or when he needed help moving something or whatever it was um he just never did he just wouldn't ask and i am exactly the same i just don't ask like yeah the last thing i would do like if we had to suddenly move to a different house and i know dozens of people that would be willing to
Starting point is 01:17:30 show up and help immediately if I needed them. I refuse to do it. I'm just like, it's even with shows, Scott. Like, you know, I'll offer like, hey, you want me to take on this part of putting together the notes for TMS or do this other thing for this other show or TMS Vegas or things like that. I had to wrestle. Get some TMS Vegas stuff away from you. Yeah, no. I, that wasn't, I mean, I'm actually glad that we that we did that as well as we did because Brian does an incredible job running what we do in Vegas and I finally was able to kind of let go of needing to worry about it as much
Starting point is 01:18:06 and as a result I have a much better time in Vegas because I'm not... You can sit back and kind of enjoy the enjoy it as opposed to feeling the stress of assembling. So I have like this it's kind of a weird combination of control and
Starting point is 01:18:20 I don't like being beholden to other people and it's usually manifest itself in things like you know like I mentioned the moving example but like if I needed someone to take me to the airport most people it's no big deal to ask a friend to do it I can't do it I'm going to take the car I'm going to park it there and pay the 60 bucks for it's sitting there like I just don't do it and so but if somebody were to ask you you'd be like oh yeah of course no problem yeah no problem
Starting point is 01:18:48 I wouldn't think twice exactly I wouldn't even think twice about it if somebody asked me for the same exact kinds of help no problem I'm in let's go what do you need and I would never judge them and go, oh, not independent enough to handle it on your own. I would never do that. So I don't know why. You just pay the 60 bucks and park your own butt at the airport. I think it's just this weird, pounded into me thing of this idea anyway that you, that fierce, sort of fierce independence trumps everything.
Starting point is 01:19:16 And it's not great. I don't, it hasn't served. And I think I have it too, because I was raised in the same house. But I think you could do something here. We won't do it because no one needs to see us. do our own therapy on the show. Even though I do that a lot, but you could, like what I would do if a client came to me and started to say this, these types of things, like I'm just fiercely independent.
Starting point is 01:19:40 That first of all, it'd be hard for them to be in my office in the first place, right? They would really struggle to even get in that door. So it would be a miracle and I'd be really excited about that. But let's say they did. And we start talking about like this, you know, so then I would start to go back in time and sort of how did that message come across? cross, was it cross-stitched on the wall? You know, how did that play out? And then even go a couple generations, right? Because sometimes you can find, especially as sort of time
Starting point is 01:20:10 marches on, you know, certain generations seem like they got, they get further and further in the past and who even knows, right? But then the reality is your great-grandparents or your great-great-grandparents or your whoever went through some stuff, like anyone will go through some stuff that has an impact on how we think about a lot of things because it is then sort of generationally transferred to the next group. So a really common one is sort of anyone who lost all their money in the Great Depression and, you know, stock market failing and they couldn't get their money out of the banks. They behave around money very differently than someone who has not been through that. But then how does that get past to their children and then their
Starting point is 01:20:54 grandchildren. And sometimes I'll meet someone who's great, great, you know, grandfather lost everything on, you know, whatever that day it was in October in 1939 or 29. And Friday or whatever. Yeah, there we go. Black Friday. And they are so unclear why they're so weird about money, but it's ruining their relationship. So sometimes we'll go pretty far back to find like, oh, okay, so mom handled this way and then her dad taught her to handle it this way. And, you know, and sometimes you don't know those stories and that's harder to do. However, you can find a thread that makes things make sense. So that's what I would do with someone who can't ask for help is like, I'm really good at giving help. I am really not good at saying, okay, my turn. But what I find
Starting point is 01:21:42 is when I do actually need someone to listen or to help me, I'm like, oh, no one is good at this. And that's because I'm asking just regular people. I am not actually. asking a professional so um but it really and then then it reiterates itself so maybe scott you can think about a time you have asked or we're forced to ask and it was ask and it wasn't very helpful or like confirming bias right like it's it's sort of like see it's better i do this by myself or someone move helps you move a thing and they break it is a great example of like yeah then you you get punished for doing a thing that was kind of risky to do. Do you have this, Brian, at all? Is it hard for you to ask
Starting point is 01:22:28 for help? Yeah, it totally is. Like, I'll do a lot of the same things that Scott does. And I just have to basically force myself. I have to, you know, push myself to say, okay, let them help. A lot of the show production, I mean, Coverville is a one-person show because from start to finish, assembling stuff because it's like, ooh, do I want to have somebody else helping pick the music? No, Do I want to have somebody else editing the show?
Starting point is 01:22:52 No. Do I want to have somebody else doing tweets? It wasn't until, you know, doing this show, especially A&P, that I'm like, all right, let's get some help. I'm not going to edit this thing completely by myself. I'm not going to try and come up with all the challenges myself or things like that. So is there a difference between do it all myself and I don't, and sort of perfectionism? It has to be done right, like control. yeah it's uh it's a hard thing oh go ahead i'm sorry versus i'm just going to say versus
Starting point is 01:23:27 um being vulnerable or need and they're probably connected to some extent but just like i need help moving physically i i've got to get 100 boxes out of my house like truly logically it's going to go a lot faster if other people are there just pure logistics pure logistics of a move is a really good example to use and why that why that's a problem versus controlling a product that matters to and not trusting someone else to do it well enough. To do it the way I would do it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:23:59 There's probably a correlation there. It feels less like, ooh, you know, if I don't control this move, it's not going to be done right. Because it'll be, it's a lot easier to just say, yeah, you're, you know, you're putting that stuff into a box. I might, you know, if it would be, I'd probably be like, oh, let me go ahead and do those, you know, those action figures. I'll go and pack those or I'll pack these glasses or plates or something like that. You go ahead and handle the books and stuff that doesn't break because I don't want to be, I don't want somebody else to feel responsible if they do something and something bad happens because of it, only because I know, ooh, I know what parts of that are liable to cause a problem, to break or to be fragile or whatever.
Starting point is 01:24:45 I have a similar issue, especially with moves. it moves for whatever reason moving stuff is a good you know it's in some ways it's a neutral action and so it's a good one to look at and ask why we have these emotional attachments to either asking or refusing help and that sort of thing but you know when i'm moving when i'm helping somebody else move and it's one of those moves where it's like i'm moving your peepee mattress and i also got this you know loose box of of hanger clothes that are just loosely laying everywhere you didn't really planned very much. I'm not actually really judging them that much. I'm still there to help. But in my head, I'm going, I would never make anyone move this pea mattress. I would never make
Starting point is 01:25:25 anyone move a pile of clothes that aren't put in a box somewhere that aren't, you know, at least organized or whatever. Like I do, I have that conversation happening in my head as well. And I never want anyone to be in a position where they're like, oh, this piece of furniture is sort of old and lame. Why are we moving it? Like, I don't know why. Whereas if I move it, I'm like, well, Well, it's my own damn fault. It's my furniture, and I own it, so I'm moving it. Boy, you sure own a lot of old magazines, Brian. Why do you have all these old entertainment weeklies?
Starting point is 01:25:56 Right. There's just some of that. I don't know. It's like letting someone organize your computer hard drive in a weird way because it's like... Your underwear drawer. Yeah. So I would say the word that maybe fits best there is the vulnerability, right? You're vulnerable because it's maybe really you.
Starting point is 01:26:14 underneath your, you know, bedroom floor, like that's maybe the dust bunnies or the real you. And we all have different ideas of what that might mean. And this is where it gets interesting, I think, with the family history concept. Maybe I'm thinking about this because my mother's in town. But just this idea, just this idea of like, where'd you learn to not be vulnerable? Or where did you learn to ask for help or not ask, you know, like some of those different things? What was crocheted metaphorically on the wall next to the door, and you saw it every day. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:51 You know, clear eyes, pure hearts, can't lose. Can't lose. Something like that. Yeah. I mean, and here's what's tricky is those messages with all good intent can sometimes create. So take that phrase, can't lose. If my heart's pure, okay, well, my heart has to be pure all the time. Like you can see where anything could go south in terms of like it's supposed to be a good thing.
Starting point is 01:27:14 thing, but what might end up being is creating some neuroses around something. So the not being vulnerable with somebody else may show up in the not asking for help. Then you get curious about, okay, so how did I learn that? And what does it mean? And it doesn't, because all of us are going to get old and need someone to do some stuff for us, right? In the end. So you two are not ready. No. No, I can totally wipe my own butt. I've got this. Oh, I'm so not ready. And you know what?
Starting point is 01:27:47 Part of that is my, that's, again, it's back to dad going, oh, I'm, I need to go quick. I'm not going to have some long drawn out of illness or someone has to change my diapers. Hilariously. My dad, not hilariously, but my dad was, was famously, maybe privately, but in our family famously, the only one that would go over to Grandpa Ward's hospice bed and change his diapers, change his pans. Like he was all about helping him. him but the idea that freak him out so bad and the fact that he died of a sudden heart attack was exactly what he wanted like he didn't want a drawn out thing in his 80s where he's going to
Starting point is 01:28:25 you know and all of us and our and our morning aside he went out exactly the way he he told us he wanted to go um and i've never quite got my head around how i'm going to deal with that you know if my if my demise in this mortal coil is a long drawn out illness that sounds like the worst thing not because I'm in pain or it's long drawn out in this it's because everybody's going to have to help me and I don't want them to have to do that I don't want Taylor and if you've listened to the show more than two minutes you know it's also a big poop fear for you no you're right I'm going to be crap in that bed every five minutes my kids are going to have to take turns you're coming in there you think your fear
Starting point is 01:29:07 is pooping on an airplane wait until you try just pooping in a bed yeah and my kids are going to have to like have these conversations about well we need you know I'm going to have to take some additional work off of we're going to help dad on the weekends and I just I do not want any of that this even talking about it that's a miserable prospect I don't like it at all right which which the future is going to be full of clinicians needing to work with the elderly on their emotional stuff because it's everybody like this is super normal and we don't have a lot of things that have made it more accessible, right? Like caregiving isn't happening in a family home in the way, you know, maybe more so there's been a new sort of emphasis on hospice and having people
Starting point is 01:29:50 in their own homes. So maybe people are getting more access to that. I mean, I, you say that about dad, when Adam and I were dating, I watched him carry and clean his grandmother and help change her diaper. And we are 24 years old. And I thought, oh, yeah, I'll sign up with this guy. He can change my diaper one day. But, like, that is the model I had. It's the model I married. Like, it's an awesome thing, but he's never going to ask for help. I married someone who also will never ask for help.
Starting point is 01:30:21 So it's problematic because he and I never ask for help. But if you think about, like, okay, is there, sometimes there's some really good things to that. Sure. But is it, and this is the question for most people, where do these things prevent other, prevent you from, like, living a full life? it may be that it keeps you disconnected from others or it may be that um you know and you get crotchety as you get older and you you're you tighten all up to protect yourself and that maybe isn't so healthy for you so usually it's finding a thing and if it's working for you a great but where
Starting point is 01:30:54 it's not working you can sometimes dig in and see something differently so I'm going to read and I promise I'll get back to rejection since they've dysphoria because I have an assignment about that But here's a quote from Dr. Glenn Patrick Doyle. And this is not saying any of us were neglected, but this is kind of a stark way of putting it. He said, you bet people who were neglected, overthink. They couldn't count on anybody else to think of them at all. So they had to make sure all their bases were covered in order to get their needs met. Anxiety is kind of the baseline when you've had to do everything yourself for years.
Starting point is 01:31:30 Okay. So lots of a struggle with overthinking. it doesn't mean everyone was quote unquote technically neglected but no perfect parent exists nobody ever did all the things you needed in the right amounts in the right way right because you you over love or help a child you ruin it you underdo it you ruin the kid like there's just a caveat we've all we can all try our best but we're still going to screw up somehow right it's like the great it's like the great british bakeoff you're gonna your whole thing's gonna you got to do it perfect or you're screwed.
Starting point is 01:32:04 Exactly. And that is really what perfection is. Perfection is about avoiding shame. It's about avoiding rejection or looking bad or not being lovable. So the more perfect we can make something, we're trying to ensure, it's like an insurance policy that will be okay, right? But perfectionism is a very difficult mistress. Never lets you reach it, right?
Starting point is 01:32:28 So this idea of the overthinking, though, if you think about that, you know, no one can help me or I have to think through every last thing or I need to control all these different aspects of something. It could be related to, I had to do that from a very young age. I had to figure out how to make sure everything was working and the overthinking pattern is just a response to needing to protect yourself in that way. I mean, Scott, you and I, we came from a big family. There was not enough attention, no offense, everyone, but not enough attention for six of us. Because that's not. really possible. No, that's not even zone defense. That's just, uh, that's overwhelming.
Starting point is 01:33:06 That's penalty box all the time. Yeah, right? It's just like, it's hard. And so what everyone, you know, we all got good enough, but it doesn't mean there were some things that got, that got missed. Then you have, Brian, you're one kid. That should have worked fine, right? Kind of did. See, Brian, quit talking. But you know what I mean? It could happen any, any direction. Or too much of emphasis on one kid and you have to do all of our hopes and dreams are on you so you must do it well or something so yeah this can go lots of different directions um okay so going back to rejection sensitive sensitive dysphoria yeah uh the truth is i had an idea to do with this and then you got me sidetracked because it wasn't solid enough so uh here's what i would like if someone is
Starting point is 01:33:57 willing to do this if you have experienced really high levels of sensitivity to rejection. You possibly also have ADHD. Not necessary, but like those two things kind of come together. If you would write us an email about the ways you experience this and maybe it's that someone has complained that you're just too sensitive all the time or you get really angry in a meeting at work and you're worried you're going to lose your jaw because you keep having such strong reactions to different things. Send us an email and then we'll tackle it using that to guide us because I'm easily distracted
Starting point is 01:34:35 today apparently. No, I love that. I love that idea because when you were talking about it early on and again now, this idea of like what does rejection, what is my reaction with rejection or what is my action towards not getting rejected? Right. Because that's preemptive, yeah, preemptive rejection. modification. I've been trying to kind of have a little bit of a think about that,
Starting point is 01:35:03 and I'm not sure what I do. Is that weird to answer it that way? I don't, I mean, I'm just trying to apply it to myself. We'll figure out. We want to talk to, we want someone to write us in who feels it kind of more on the extreme and can't prevent it. And then we can sort of dive into how most of us are doing this all the time, managing a fear of rejection. That's one of of the greatest human fears, right? So we're all handling it somehow. But then there are folks there are the sensitivity and the dysphoria occurs. So if someone could give us a concrete example of what that's like for them, I think we can
Starting point is 01:35:40 kind of explore the spectrum pretty well. Yeah, I agree. To that point, if you guys were out there and you're like, oh, I've got a perfect one. Just a simple email I'll do. If you don't want to be named, whatever, like we make that a rule here anyway. It could be totally anonymous. The Morningstream at gmail.com Or if you're over at the Realteps.org site
Starting point is 01:36:01 and use their contact form, you can absolutely do it and Wendy can field them. However you want to do it will work great. So please, please get those to us. I have a feeling that you, Wendy, this week, will bump up against some old ideas of independent old people. And I hope that goes well for you.
Starting point is 01:36:20 Yeah, I mean, they're using our car and we both just plan on never seeing it again. That's how they have. It's written off. It's written off. It's, it's, we were like, give them the one that's the least expensive. They've lived good lives. It's not the bigger one that'll protect them, but it's okay.
Starting point is 01:36:41 No, it's going to be fine. They are actually right now at a conservatory. It's this beautiful indoor. It's every Minnesota goes there in the winter because it feels like you're in a tropical place. It's awesome. Anyway, so that's where they are, and they're going to eat lunch, and hopefully it's fine. Yeah, that'll be fine. It's going to be great.
Starting point is 01:36:56 Speaking of the people are out of breath, I'm almost 100% sure that mom's got like delayed COVID stuff with her breathing. I'm worried about it. Oh, I guarantee it. Yeah. You know she refused to ever test herself when she coughed for six weeks straight? She wouldn't do it. And she lost her taste and smell.
Starting point is 01:37:12 Still wouldn't do it. Oh, she's really. Yeah. You have that many signs. Yeah. I'm like, mom, you've freaking got COVID. And she's like, oh, I don't know. And she still says that even though now she has like, she's super winded all the time.
Starting point is 01:37:24 she can walk 10 feet and if she feels like she's run a mile like it's it's clearly that you know and you know what it was didn't want to stick the thing in her nose yeah she didn't want to think of her well i do hate that part too by the way i don't know if you heard the you didn't hear the first part of the show wendy but i currently have covid oh yeah what brain fog because that thing sucks what is it brain fog oh yeah no i'm kidding no at least i don't know if i do again it could be affecting the one part of my brain that would recognize whether or not i have brain fog yeah it's really possible it's uh the bright fog i've got a very light version of it i've got covid zero covid zero sugar yeah which is really good they've really formulated the flavor down
Starting point is 01:38:06 to my family yeah my family had that and i had covid new coke formula i don't know what i had it was classic covid yeah you had a bunch of you had triple sugar jolt cola is what you had it was so bad in fact i had a june 1st october 5th Sorry, August 15th, I woke up and I went, I feel normal. It took that long. Wow, that is a long time. Matt's birthday. Like the full symptomology, but I woke up and went, oh, I feel like myself.
Starting point is 01:38:37 Where have I been? I don't know what happened all summer. Anyway, it was rough. Well, I'm sorry you said, Brian, that's garbage. Yeah, yeah, it happens. So are you, just get to wait to lift later and see how many people I can give it to. You just infect all your lift passengers? Four stars gave me COVID.
Starting point is 01:38:53 Yeah. It tasted like real COVID. It was amazing. Is your wife avoiding you or how's that going? Are you guys trying to stay away from each other? Yeah, as much as two people living in a house can do. I mean, we're still sleeping in the same bed. We figure if she would have gotten it, she would have gotten it already from me.
Starting point is 01:39:11 But she had it in May and then she got her second booster in July. So, so far she's feeling totally fine. Yeah. Nice. Okay. I hope it's quick recovery. road. A real nurturer she is. You're feeling fine. Go get it yourself is basically what I hear a lot of. Oh, I wonder where you've got to get it yourself from. Maybe it's from your wife.
Starting point is 01:39:34 Oh, no. See, there's where the independence comes from. Full circle. All right. Okay. So how about this? Can I just say one last thing about realteps.org? Yes, please. I'll just sign up. Woohoo. Let's do it. Yeah, go sign up. Realsteps.org. If you haven't done it before, now's your chance. Get in there. Realstups.org is an easy place to find on the website and then get in there and sign up. not hard. Yeah. We are, there's some, yeah, I mean, I hate to be cliche about this, but it's October is the month we're doing it. So it starts October 3rd. Midnight, October 2nd is your deadline to sign up. I'll send out one more email and bug people, but I won't do too many of those. But we are going to talk about fear a lot. I know it's, you know, October. But just how much fear plays a
Starting point is 01:40:16 role in our changing and doing different things. So yeah. So it's going to be awesome. I'm very excited. So, yeah, please head over to realsteps.org, read about it. Email me at Admin, RealSteps. If you have questions, you'd love to have you. Dot, real step, or wait, admin at real steps.org. Right. Yeah. Okay. Just make sure there's no dot com in there that I forgot you had. Awesome. It's always orgs. All right, Wendy, this has been great. I do wish you the best this week. It's going to be fun. Whatever. You get to see Mom. It's fine. It's going to be great. And I've learned you just change subjects and rooms. And, activities quickly and then
Starting point is 01:40:54 the 91 Italian year old or the Italian year old the 91 year old Italian guy it's a great way to get him off track is to go he'll go can you believe a burp and you just say oh the rain the rain or whatever and he'll stop
Starting point is 01:41:10 all I have to do is say something nice about my kids and he will then go off about his grandkids like it's his other kids perfect yeah and I'm like say hey kids why don't you play the piano for grandma and grandpa john and so they do and at the end and he kind of falls asleep and then at the end he's just like have i told you that my grandchildren i'm like yeah if i was in new jersey
Starting point is 01:41:34 your kids have been arrested by now if it was new jersey all right anyway uh i hope it goes well my best to everybody okay all right yeah and everyone pray for windy by now okay oh it'll be fine they're just kind of they're a little bit of a handful right now they're they're just kind of he's a crank and she's you know she's getting old and she doesn't she's kind of at a very i don't care anymore mode of like eh whatever john and he hates that talk about your control freaks that dude really oh my gosh dude i couldn't live with him for more than five minutes that is the truth anyway uh so there's that uh real quick here we got some upcoming stuff yeah tonight uh core it's uh five five p m normal time uh mountain time
Starting point is 01:42:20 time. We got all kinds of new stuff to talk about the Nintendo Direct this week, the big Sony state of play, PlayStation VR2 details were announced, all sorts of stuff. If you want to catch up on all that, that'll be tonight with me, Bo and John. Tomorrow, we will be, oh, today, coverville, one 30. Why do I say 130 every time? Why? I don't know. Should I just change it? Would it be easier for you if I changed it, Scott? Don't do it for me because it's stupid that I can't remember it. You'd think it would be easier to remember on that. top of the hour anyway. I don't know what's wrong with me. At 1.30, I'll have defeated five people on Marvel Snap while playing cover songs. You and Apple cover songs. Then, tomorrow, we've got a couch party, and Brian and I and you all who want to come that are patrons will be watching Willow together. Willow, the movie Willow for reasons we discussed yesterday. That's right. We're going to see how well that holds up, get prepped for the new series, and see if Scott has been wrong all these years that it's.
Starting point is 01:43:20 It's bad. I always thought it was bad, and we're about to find out. Does the Ron Howard classic Willow hold up? Let's find out tomorrow. Yeah, there was a whole ANTP week where somebody did, somebody did a whole episode about Willow, and I can't remember what the deal was, but. I don't remember that either, but it was a, you're right, they went all in on Willow. They did, yeah, and I don't even remember what they thought of it. And I know there are people who really love Willow. Like, I am not going after you. I'm just saying, my memory is a little salty on it and I don't know why so here's our chance
Starting point is 01:43:54 to figure it out we'll watch it together we'll have some laughs sign up for the Patreon even today and you could get in that's over at patreon.com slash TMS that's great and then we got a film sack this weekend and we got a skim coming up later today the assassins on film sack yeah
Starting point is 01:44:12 1995's The Assassins with Sylvester Stallone and Antonio Banderas right fun stuff TWBD this weekend as well So lots of content, none of you will be bored. Check it all out when you can. That'll do it for us. Hey, Brian, we should probably play some music to end our broadcast week.
Starting point is 01:44:29 What do you got? Totally fine doing that. This is a funny cover to play this week because I am still dreaming about California, fever dreams. I'm just kidding. But Mrs. Taffy guy wrote in and said, I just love the song, wanted the whole Tadpool to hear it. And I love this song too, so I'm happy to echo her sentiment. This is the song California Dream and performed by Sia.
Starting point is 01:44:55 Seea gets those lyrics right, by the way. It's, you know, I walked into a church. I passed along the way, and I got down on my knees, and I pretend to pray. Changes the whole meaning with you say, and I began to pray because he's faking, praying so that he can hang out in the church where it's warm because it's freezing where he's at, which is why he's dreaming of California. Interesting. There you go. So get it right. If you're going to cover this song, get it right.
Starting point is 01:45:25 It's one word, changes the whole meaning. Here's Sia's version. She released this on the San Andreas soundtrack back in 2015, originally by Barry McGuire, but also covered very famously by the Mamas and the Pappas. It's not theirs originally. California Dreaming by Sia. I always learn these things about who did what and when,
Starting point is 01:45:44 and it always floors me. Barry McGuire. I know so little. All right, that's it. Thanks everybody for listening this week. We appreciate it. We'll be back next week with more and all that other stuff I mentioned this weekend. We'll see you then.
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