The Morning Stream - TMS 2351: Hesitant Evil

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

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Coming up on TMS, Brick and Motor. Eating your pet peeves. Squirrel versus the Batman. Beyond nose meat. There are four links. Hello from the Eisner's side. You're basically Adele.

That's amazing. A sonic mastication revulsion. Karenina. You can make you sing them all. I didn't plan that. Vegan cannibal horror. So no one told the baby that life is going to be this way. Chewing aluminum for fun and profit

That didn't end in a humane way Isn't there a saying about books, covers, and how you judge it with Amy? Breaking all the streaks with Wendy and more On this episode of The Morning Stream Why are women so happy about new tickle antiperspirant? Is it because tickle is the first roll on with a big wide ball? Is it because tickle has a new quick drying formula?

Or is it because tickle helps keep you dry all day? Make yourself happy. Staying drier is nicer with a little tickle. Is that my applewood smoke bacon? We can't date. This is the morning stream. Good morning and welcome to a Thursday edition of the morning stream. It is TMS for Thursday, September 22nd, 2022. We got ourselves a 922.22 going here.

Ooh, I love those. Yep. Or if you're in Europe, we got a 22, 22.2.9. Nope. No, I'm sorry. 22.9. 2. So it's a 22 sandwich.

It's palindromic, yes, exactly. The nine is the meat. And then you get your bread. as the 222s. It's a nine sandwich. That's right. Sounds all right. I'd eat that.

Anyway, we're back. But only if Jim put it right in front of you. Yeah, only if she put it in front of me. Pre-show people. You'd have to be a patron. Yeah, I need to be a patron to understand what we were talking about or catch the live show. But she actually brought me that Big Mac while I was recording DTNS. So you didn't even see it, really.

You just started putting it in your mouth because you were distracted by doing a show. Kind of, yeah, except I didn't, well, I didn't eat it while we were. recorded, but when we ended and just did our post-show banter, talking about what's going on next week and all that, that's when I ate it. And it was probably annoying to everybody on the air, but I don't know. You know how eating can be on. Oh, no, I, believe me, that is one of my biggest pet peeves if I'm doing a podcast with somebody and they start eating. Absolutely. It's no good. It's no good. Yeah, yeah. We need to get you into some muckbang ASMR streams. Yeah, we do not. We do not.

You know, and it's funny because we used to eat on this show, like we used to get food, and we'd still, you know, we'd still eat it. If we got food to taste on this show, we would still absolutely do it. And we've done it before, and I know it irritated people, probably the way it irritates me to hear, you know, to hear us eating on the show when we were sampling Kit Katz or whatever. Well, at least in that case, we were kind of, there was some science going on. Not science, but, you know, some discovery and we were learning. Right. It was experimentation, right? Yeah, how else you're going to get Brian to gag really hard unless you get the thick and look with it?

Or put my headphones down and throw up. I even, you know, I even make it a point not to slurped my coffee when I drink it on the show. It's like, oh yeah. It's good stuff. Do I have that one? Didn't even know I drank anything. No, I had no idea. No idea.

If you wouldn't have seen it, you wouldn't have known it happened. Yeah, liquid is great. Do a liquid. Don't. Oh, that's one I don't like. I don't like that. No, me neither. Not a fan.

You know, we talked about Chris Brown yesterday. today. Chris Brown's biggest pet peeve is scraping your fork on a plate when you're eating or any metal scraping on the plate. So, like, if you're, you know, if you're, uh, something I do with my eggs, I cook them over easy so that the, um, yolks are runny. But then I take my fork and I go, shoo, shoo, shoo, shun, shun, shun, shun, and I basically shred them or, or, or cross-cut them so that the, uh, yolk makes a nice sauce for the rest of the, eggs. Yeah, this is all correct process, by the way.

Okay, good, good. This is the appropriate behavior. So salt and pepper on all that business. But in that, in doing that, it's like, he, he, the tines of the fork and the knife are going across it. Sure.

And you didn't like that. Chris Brown don't want any of that. Does not like that. Oh, no, I take that back. It's not the, it's not the plate. It's the teeth. It's if your fork, if you hear the sound of metal going against

your teeth, it that drives him nuts. okay that's what it is it's not the uh it's not as much the plate as it is the you know the i don't like it either it's something about metal on teeth i don't either yeah now that you just say it it made me cringe a little all right so chris claire is absolutely having a heart attack in the chat room with all caps well i'm glad it was her because in the last few days it feels like claire and chris brown are the most talked about listeners we have so um yeah congratulations you too i'm hoping that uh Vegas 2023 at TMS Vegas

23 brings those two together so that it'll be the perfect storm of having Chris Brown and Claire in the same place. I would love to finally meet Chris Brown myself. I would love it. Yeah, you should. He's a hell of a dude.

I'm excited. I actually literally am excited about that. And seeing Claire. If Claire can be there too, that'd be what a topping for your chicken you'd have there. That's my name. I would just be icing on the cake.

That's right. Well, don't worry, everybody. You'll never hear Brian do this again. only this Unless we do Was that for thick and liquid Was that what that was for? Yeah, I think it was

I think it was Every time you play that though I think it's that guy Who keeps Who can't stop hiccuping Or belching or whatever No, that's it Yeah, that's that guy

Nevermind, yeah That guy's amazing I know that I know Jeannie hates these So I'll stop playing them Jeannie But just one more There you go, that's it Did you see the video by the way?

Yeah of the, the guy doing like a Zoom call, some business thing. I'm trying to find all the right letters to Google Fu this while I'm talking, but he's doing a Zoom call and, yeah, here we go. Here's the video. Oh, I'm excited now. Now you have me excited. He's doing a Zoom call.

Okay, it's a TikTok, so you'll love this. Oh, yeah, I'll love it because I love TikToks. I love the TikToks. up your alley in the TikTok. Yeah, everyone knows I love the TikTok. Let's see. Let's see. Let me go in here. Okay, I'm clicking.

Okay, here we go. Oh, is this the guy with a squirrel I heard about this? Hold on. Chat, we'll show it to you. How about that? Put it right up here. And we'll take a look at it together here on the internet. I can't find the...

Wait, is this the link? The, like, yeah, the link I put in Discord. If you scroll down, there's a TikTok. Looking... I see two deer fighting. Do I go too far? I must have. Two deer fighting.

Oh, yeah, you went too far. Yeah, go back up. You'll see. Unless it somehow... Is it somehow being blocked or something? No, if it is, that's crazy. You see the video, right? I'll go right to the TikTok.

Oh, yeah, do that. Send me the source. Something's weird to the site. They're on bed is broken or something. Chat's like click the link. I'm not clicking the link, chat. There's too many links to click. too many links too many links too many links that's what you say when there's 24 holes in your golf course

too many links you want to have that uh all right well here's the guys profile there we go okay yeah so on the uh yeah so he's got four videos on the top of his pay oh there we go like icor put put in a youtube video that's probably a better one use that is it the one where oh okay is it the one where he's standing on his desk is this the one Yes, the one that's called just your average conference call. I'm going to pause this. Here we go.

All right, chat. Here you go. This is the one. Enjoy. Let's just get in to. Let's just get in. He freaked out. Yeah.

Oh, my God, I'm out of the air. Go! Go on my! In the air! Call it! That's an amazing! That's an amazing! Oh my gosh!

That's an amazing video. That's amazing. It was seriously like Jason Voorhees just came in the room, basically. Yeah, why was he? I mean, he must have a thing with rodents because that wouldn't have freaked me out that bad. I would have been like, oh, my gosh, hold on you guys. I got a squirrel in here. chased it down.

Some things to think about with this. Number one, he's got a bat right next to his desk. And he was, it's almost like he knew that the squirrel, there was a squirrel that could come in his, in his room. I don't know I had a separate video recording from behind him. Oh, right. That is like he had an office security video or something going on. Maybe.

Yeah. Also, the video ends a little abruptly. which makes me think that maybe it didn't end in a in a pleasant to watch fashion. Entirely possible. This is either like conveniently real or. I don't think this is staged one bit. I mean, he may be, no, I don't even think he's overreacting to, I mean, he's obviously overreacting to it. But I don't think he's faking his reaction to that thing.

No, it doesn't seem like it. That looked like a legit thing. That's like when I saw Lady Domas Skrissk or whatever name is in Resident Evil 8 for the first time. That's about how I felt. A lot of people in the chat are yelling fake. I don't know. Hey, what do you know about the internet anymore? It could be.

It might be. It might not be. It says, oh, it's staged and a cyborg dude says fake. Please show me. If it is, I'm very impressed with the... If it is, though, how do they know that? What are they basing that on? Are you guys just geniuses?

Is that what it is? You saw this video very briefly and went, yep, I know it's fake. Is that what happened there? All right. Let me go, Snopes. Well, no, that's like a, what is that? Snopes.com, fact check, Malabar Giant Squirrel. I don't think that's the thing that word.

That's not it. Also, Snopes isn't going to have a post for every single video, but anyone ever does. I doubt they even have this. Yeah, exactly. Claire, just search for the word squirrel on Snopes and sent us the first link that she came to. I'm guessing he had a different window open. Oh, okay, hold on.

Icor says, read the comment in the YouTube video. Oh, hold on a second. Okay, we might be getting something here. Wait, a comment from like another viewer? Because they're just like you, though. Oh, my God, there's 130 comments. Which comment should I be? Are you kidding me?

Like, what? Does it say in the description? Probably. Oh, they say a description. Oh, in the description. Over the years, I've been terrored by squirrels. This particular scroll got into the chimney in my study and created $6,000 in damage. After returning home to the destruction, after being out of town, I called 911, and an animal control officer assured me the flu was open and since then he had it closed.

It would not get through again. Well, that was not the case. Damage was excessive. And I had people cleaning until 3 a.m. in the morning. Well, 3 a.m. implies in the morning. Only to be terrorized the next day again by this pesky squirrel. So he's not So the description says it's not saying anything

I think the chat room's insane today I know what I think they're Which part of this is Who has a camera No I get it That seems a little weird To have a security camera

Is the thing behind him That's the part I don't understand Is having the security camera But I mean the bat by his desk Is because he's been terrorized By the scroll before So he So he

And he clearly has a fear for that thing He doesn't like it He didn't like it So I don't know. I mean, listen, it's damn funny. It's a damn funny reaction if it's planned and staged just because it's so unintelligible. I agree. All right.

I don't know. All right. While you guys hunt down, while they sleuth the answer. Yes, please do. Please do. Because this is all riveting. Riveting radio. It absolutely is.

But let us know. And then while we're doing that, I'm going to do this right here. Send and receive. email we got a couple of email follow-ups i think are a little bit important here uh one is about utah tacos i'll get this one out of the way quickly uh it's my all never mind i'm not going to say it i'm not going to say uh instead i'll read the email this is from barry ricks barry ricks who signed his email with winner of the doghouse pc at nerdtacular 2014 i think that's awesome i love that he uses that as a title yeah it's pretty great uh let's also know

the barry's still around it's good to know anyway yeah hello lord's of morning jump into the taco conversation, I wanted to say that, in my opinion, the best tacos in Salt Lake City are from Jurassic Street Tacos. They started as a food truck and now have three brick and mortar stores in Provo, Orum, and Lehigh. You need to give it a try. Problem is I never get over the point in the mountain anymore, Barry. I don't go that way. Barry! Hold on. I've got to play that for him. Oh, damn it, I don't have it handy. There we go. Berry.

So that's not our usual Barry, but I'll try it out. That sounds great. Jurassic Street tacos. I do like that he uses the term, that he gets the term brick and motor as opposed to mortar. Oh, brick and motor. Like it's a food truck and now they've just put bricks on the food truck and it still has a motor, but it's a brick and motor location. Yeah, that's awesome. It's a great misspelling. And also, I love a good street taco or a street, sorry, a food truck turned brick and mortar is always a great success story. I always love that.

Always hearing it. For sure. It's like the one you went to. cup bop the other day it's kind of like that yeah uh yes here's one for brian uh brian and disney here's the question or the statement from jeff smith not bone he says he's not that jeff smith not the bone jeff smith not the bone jep smith just the other jeff smith he says dear brian or dear space mountain and big thunder mountain oh nice i guess you're big thunder because you're bough so yeah yeah brian's trip to dizzleland also because i fart yes and you fart big thunder brian in the morning

Big Thunder Mountain. Tina calls you. Big Thunder Mountain. Brian's trip to Disneyland. Scott playing the Tim Cook Products mentions and former Disney CEO Michael Eisner's name being mentioned in the most recent episode of FilmSack made me want to make sure you check this out.

It's Michael Eisner's pronunciation of hello. As Disney CEO, Eisner got to do introductions to a lot of things. Here is a supercut of Eisner just wanting to say hello. enjoy just Smith not bone all right okay so I went and capped a bunch of this not the entire thing because it's huge uh but I didn't know this about Eisner here it is hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello he says the same hello to every video it's the same inflection every day hello hello like he doesn't really want to be there hello

Like it's, you know, you just, let's get this first word over with. Hello. Yeah. Like, why? What is this? Hello. Hello. Hello.

Hello. Hello. Hello. It spans his entire career, dude. That blows my mind. Hello. It's just constant. Hello.

Yeah. It's so good. It's so good. Oh, man. I love that you sent us that. Thank you for that. And we will cherish it always. That was awesome.

Thank you so much. All right. Let's get some reading done. How about that? Yeah. I like that idea a lot, but to do it, we have to add red fraggle to the damned call and play her theme, which we will do now shortly, which happens here, if I can click it right, here it is. Oh, that's quiet. Here we go.

Let me turn that up and start over. Oh, my gosh, start over. Okay. Oh, look who it is. It's Amy with Read This. We're going to find out what books she's got tucked away and of interest to those in the audience and those listening. So, Amy, welcome back to the program. How are you?

Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. It's good to have you here. Hello. Hey, real quick here, somebody was I going to ask you a thing.

What was it? Oh, no, no. I'm going to read you this email. That's what it is. I was going to say there's an email in here. Should we read? I knew there was a special email and I totally forgot. Okay.

So we got this email for Amy. I'm going to start with that and then we'll get into what you brought this week. Okay. Cool. Okay. Here's how the email goes. This is from Corinna. Karinina, Karina, Karina, who says,

Hi, Scott, and Brian and Amy. Ever since the edition of Amy's segment, I have since found that I absolutely love audiobooks. Well, look at you making an impact. Oh, cool. Wow, that's awesome. Says, I can't get enough of them, and I would like to thank Amy for suggesting them.

I listen to them on my runs while I do housework, puzzles, et cetera. I'll make up any excuse to plug in my earbuds and tuck into a good book, she says. Anywho, the most recent audiobook's main character name is Philip. spoken in a British accent. I don't know whether to thank Scott or not, but every single time I hear the name Philip,

I can only hear Scott's voice yelling. So thanks, I guess. If this does make it on the show, I had sent a birthday shout out to my brother-in-law, Jordan. You may remember his favorite artist was Taylor Swift. We are Canadian and we're sad about the queen's passing. I know it would just be a thing to raise his spirits if Brian was able to play a cover of the second most favorite artist,

queen. So obviously this didn't make the request list because it went to the wrong email. But, Brian, if you want to tuck that one away, it's up to you. I will absolutely do that, yeah. So thanks so much, fellas, from the best sister-in-law ever, Corinna. Karina. I keep saying Karinna.

I don't know why I do. Karina-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. Anna-Karenna. Anna-Karenna. Is that the book you're recommending today? No. No, but that would be that would be an amazing coincidence, but no. I've never read Anna-Kirinnana. No, me neither. So wait, did you, so have you, how do you feel about being such an influence on somebody else's reading habits? Oh, I love it. And I get, I get Twitter messages and some Facebook messages from people who say that like, in particular, it tickles me when people say that like some of my recommendations for the kids books and stuff, like they gave them to their kids to read and now they can't get enough of them like the like the Tiffany aching, Terry Pratchett stuff. I've gotten a few.

messages like that. Oh, it just makes my day. So thank you so much, Karina or Karina or however you. I'm sorry. Yeah, whatever your name is pronounced. Thank you so much for your message, because that just warms my heart. And I, I'm happy about that. Because, yeah, I mean, audiobooks are totally reading. And yeah, it's, it's wonderful to hear that. So, yay. Good. That is good to hear. So today will be no different. You're going to offer up some recommendation or another. We got a clip. Do you want to do anything for set up here before?

Well, yeah. So I want to set this up a little bit. We're going to get kind of a double dose of therapy Thursday today, guys. So, but, you know, obviously I am not a licensed therapist like Wendy. So, you know, take what I have to say with a grain of salt. And this is all just my personal experience. Okay. But as, and I don't talk a lot about this anymore.

but it's so a lot of people in community know this about me already but some people don't so we'll just go ahead and get the unpleasant thing out of the way tear off the band-aid back in 2011 my sister was murdered by her husband and that was horrible tragic obviously very traumatic experience for me and everybody and my family and we had to go through a lot to to heal over that So, Scott, your news this week about your, your brother-in-law kind of brought some of that up. And it's like, I totally relate to, you know, some of the shock that you guys were feeling and, and seem to be expressing is like, this doesn't happen in real life. This happens on the news to other people. Like, this doesn't, you know, that is so true.

Like, there's a feeling of, wait a minute, this is usually a news story that I see. and go, oh, that's horrible and then move on, right? Like, you just don't, you don't personalize it until something nasty like that happens. And real quick, just for a fast update, his status as of last night was they, there was talk today. They were going to take his leg because they just could not save his leg. Well, they took it yesterday because it was that bad. And they wanted to do it sooner than later. So they did have to amputate his leg.

Also, his kidney shut down. So he's on dialysis. right now. And I didn't know this, but in the surgery right after the incident for the abdominal shot for that bullet, it just wrecked his colon. They had to take his entire colon out. So he's lost his leg, his colon, his kidneys aren't working for some reason. They're not sure exactly why his kidney shut down. He's still considered in critical condition, but in stable condition, critical stable, there's some kind of in-between status. I forget what it is. And that's where we're at right now.

So we don't actually know what the, we don't know what's going to happen in this case. Like in there, and there's all this like a whole bunch of lawyers are knocking at their door saying, yeah, this is really fouled up. You're going to need representation for what happened here. And, you know, the cop's still on leave. And, you know, we don't know. We don't know what's going on. So anyway, that's the update for anyone that was wondering. It's been chaos around here.

I'm trying to keep a, keep a fun attitude on the shows and not, not be. too bogged down in it, but it's all very gnarly at the moment. So anyway, there's the update there. It didn't mean to derail, but that's where that's at. No, you didn't derail at all because that, that feeds directly into kind of what I, what I wanted to talk about. And, you know, and it's, it's funny you say, like, you know, I'm trying to keep, keep fun things on the show.

And the show, that's absolutely like, you know, that's what these shows are for. Sure. You know, you've got your diary and stuff like that to work out through other things. things. But, you know, we'll get into it more when we get into the book itself. But, you know, I just kind of wanted to to touch on some of this. Like, it's just absolutely, it's completely surreal and it's just, it's just a shock to your system that in a second, your life changes forever. And, you know, obviously your brother-in-law's life is forever changed regardless. Like, it's either, you know, hopefully it doesn't.

end but he's definitely he's he's a different person altogether than he was four days ago right forever uh and certainly kim's sister that's going to be the same and and it has like these these trickle down effects you you guys are going to be different everybody's going to be different because of because of this happening and uh and yeah like lawyers are going to be knocking on their door press is probably going to be knocking on their door also um so yeah It's kind of a gnarly business. But anyway, what I wanted to talk about is today's book kind of deals with some of that, some of the idea that like, oh, I try to keep things positive.

So now all of that said, let's go ahead and play the clip. All right. Here you go. Whoops. Wrong tab. Here we go. Making meaning out of suffering is the basis of the human capacity to survive evil and transcendent. The purposefulness of these dark emotions is evident when we can experience them mindfully,

tolerate their intense energies, and let them be. Unfortunately, we don't learn how to do this in a culture that fears and devalues them. Emotion phobia toxifies dark emotions, leaving our hearts confused and numb, depressed and anxious, isolated, and lonely. In emotion phobic culture, we internalize the idea that befriending what hurts will hurt us. whereas suppressing and avoiding it will make us feel better. We only end up feeling worse. The cultural baggage we carry weighs us down,

a major impediment to the art of emotional alchemy. But we weren't born with our bias against the dark emotions. We can change what we believe in how we react to grief, fear, and despair. We can transform the way we experience these emotions and begin to taste the freedom and power of letting our emotions be. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So, and a lot of that sounds very sort of, you know, and it is kind of, you know, it would be if you're going to the bookstore for this book, it probably would be in the self-help section. So all of that said, this was a book that was recommended to me by my therapist when I was going through all the stuff I was going through. And it's called Healing Through the Dark Emotions by Miriam Greenspan. she makes a good point right like we all our culture is such that oh we you know there's a lot of

toxic positivity right like oh don't be sad cheer up you know it's it's going to be okay like oh or well at least at least your brother-in-law isn't dead already right like no no empathetic response ever started with the phrase at least right and so you know i also thought of of bringing up when bad things happen to good people, which if you haven't read that one, it's also a good one to read, particularly if you're a person of faith of any, of any flavor, because, you know, that this sort of thing leaves you questioning, like, how, how does something senseless like this happen in a world where there is any sort of just deity or, you know, larger force or whatever.

And so, but I figured, you know, everybody's heard of when bad things happen to good people. So I figured I'd go with this one. But this one was directly recommended to me by my therapist. And essentially, the crux of the book is it is not only okay to feel sadness and anger and despair. And it is, in fact, important because those emotions have something to tell us. They have something that we need to learn. And if we don't learn it and we just ignore it and push it away, it's just going to keep bubbling up. And it's just you're just going to, as she says there, in the long run, you're just going to feel worse.

So if instead, if, and Wendy has sort of talked about this before, right? Like when she did her little IFS exercise, Scott, where you were like, my foot keeps tapping. And I, you know, and like she had us kind of listen to the parts of ourselves that are trying to kind of tell us something. Sure. Same same idea, right? Like, just just if you're feeling a thing, just sit with what you're feeling and then and try to figure out what it's trying to tell you. You know, what does it need you to learn? What does it need you to accept?

And, and, and then, you know, I don't know, you're, I have noticed. My life has gotten a lot better. I'm still in therapy. I'm probably a lifelong therapy person because, frankly, I just really enjoy it. And I'm the kind of person. I always love learning any kind of new thing. And therapy has allowed me to learn a lot of things about myself. And so, did you feel, but did that start for you after this heinous incident that happened to your sister?

Was this? Yes. Yes. That's when it, that was, that was when it started. but it hasn't all been that it's just you know i mean i you know we we dealt with that first obviously and it it bubbles up from time to time you know um like earlier this year i had a friend who was killed by her abusive boyfriend and of course all of that bubbled up for me there resurfaces everything yeah right so uh so but you know understanding how how how our emotions

are telling us something is important. You know, understanding what they're trying to tell us and what they say about ourselves is an important thing. And it leads to being much, much better attuned with, okay, what is going to make me happy? What is going to make me feel better? Because you can't get there if you're depressed.

Right? And depression is, in my experience, Once again, all of this, I am not Wendy, right? All of this comes with like, like, big old. This is me, right? This is me talking. But for me, I'm not, depression comes about usually when I'm not listening to something that my feelings are trying to tell me. I'm just, I don't, oh, I don't have time to deal with that right now.

I don't have time to sit with that right now. Sure. And then it comes up, a lot of times it comes up when I dream about it. And Scott, I know you have weird dreams. I hate that I have those dreams. I hate it. I hate it with hearing with other people deal with that stuff too. It's so annoying.

I feel like two different lives. I feel like at night I'm a different human being. I hate it. It's annoying. Yeah. And your dreams are even, you know, stranger than some of, like mine often I can get up and I make sense of them. Right. I'm like, okay.

Like that some of them are really obvious. Some of them are just like, what the hell? What connection does that have to my life? What is that dream trying to tell me? I was building a phallic snowman with my third grade teacher. I don't know. That's a great question. Why is Brian severed head on a chair?

None of these things make sense. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So some of them are just really bizarre and surreal. But, you know, anyway. But our feelings are there to tell us something. And so if we go through life saying, no, I want to be happy.

I want to, I don't, I don't want to feel that. I don't want to feel sad. I don't want to sit and cry. I want to be happy. I want to be the positive person. That's really not good for us, right? And it's, in the long run, it's not good for anybody around either because it's going to come bubbling up.

Oh, yeah. It's just going to. No doubt. It just will. No doubt. So, yeah. So anyway, like I say, I don't, you know, I know, I know you're trying to keep the, the show positive.

And that's, you know, that's important. right like you don't want to come to a silly place and get heavy stuff but i figured okay well my spot happens to be on thursday and there's been some big hard stuff that's come up this week and if it just felt like wendy on here let's right it felt like the right moment you know yeah no i think it's a good uh it's a good use and also you know i don't know why but i look at the cover of this book and i think these are the books windy recommends on here yeah for sure by that i mean Like, I don't know why this is true. None of these authors go too glitzy on their covers.

They all are real basic, basic fonts, basic design. There's like a kind of an idea of a sky and a grass background on this thing. And that's it. Like they're all like this, the one she's recommended. And what that tells me is, forget about how awesome a book's cover is. Maybe I'm just doing the old adage of don't judge a book by its cover. But forget about these awesome frilly covers. those self-help books with fancy covers aren't going to help you it's these basic ones man

these are the ones yeah they don't focus too much on making sure the uh the cover looks good yeah on the content yeah i feel like yeah it's more yeah it's more about the substance of it and um yeah so i mean obviously right we're human beings and so we have things like fear for a reason i know wendy has talked about this before like fear exists at a very basic level to warn you of danger right and but a lot of times we're sitting there and i know scott i know you deal with anxiety stuff like anxiety is the most annoying thing because it's like why am i afraid right now like there is not there's not a squirrel in my office yeah no it's the worst you just played that video that cracked me up it's funny oh my god it's great i love it uh just as a complete aside i was i i i put

my earbuds in and I I too Scott enjoy a good TikTok so I was I was scrolling through TikTok and that thing came up and I had my earbuds in but you know chuck is of course right next to me and all of a sudden this guy starts screaming and Chuck is like what the hell it's loud yeah yeah no you're you're not wrong I didn't expect that because when he was talking on the zoom call he was very muted and I thought well this would be a quiet video no no it's a loudest video ever made of all time. Anyway, anyway, okay, so that I completely like, hi, ADHD, shiny thing. So, yeah.

But yeah, so don't let the toxic positivity people convince you that it's good to just, oh, just ignore those bad feelings, those bad emotions. That's what's bad for you. Yeah, those people are full of poo-poo. It's been my experience, you know? Yeah. They don't really know. They're not actually helping you with that stuff. So it's okay to grieve.

It's okay to feel bad. It's okay to, I mean, that's all we've, the last few days have just been like a combination of out of body, kind of out of mind sort of feeling about this whole mess with her brother-in-law and then also very personal feelings. And then sometimes we're just too separated from it and we can't actually feel as bad as we think we're supposed to. Like it's a mix. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That is absolutely 100% a real thing. And I went through that exact same thing because obviously the. initial shock after my sister was, you know, it was huge and, you know, we're just all, we're all kind of walking in a fog. And then I started therapy and everything. And I literally didn't cry at all for like, I don't know, I can't remember how long. It was weeks. It was a long time. And I actually said to Chuck, I was like, well, I guess I'm broken now. And I can't cry anymore. And then one day I just like, just floodgates just opened. And I don't, it was probably

something minor. And, you know, and it just, yeah, that was when I was ready to start dealing with that. Same thing happened with my, my friend Kim. I was like, of course, I was completely devastated when I first heard about it. And, and I just, I just kind of broke down and I called out sick from work for the whole rest of the day and uh you know but then i i said to my therapist i was like uh it's kind of weird but i think i'm okay yeah and not i had a dream about her last night so i was like nope still got stuff to work out there i just wasn't ready i just wasn't ready to to actually have a good hard look at that yeah um and uh so you know it it bubbles back up and it's okay for that to happen if if something comes up like six months after the thing happens

That's another thing. Don't ever let somebody tell you that, like, oh, it's been a year. Like, shouldn't you be feeling better by now? Telling you when you should be done grieving or feeling emotion about something. Yeah. I mean, let me tell you. I hate the word should. I'm like, and I tell this to my kids all the time.

I don't know how much they listen. But I'm like, nah, should. It doesn't come into play when you're talking about how people feel because it's just, you know, they feel what they feel. Yeah. Uh, so, you know, and everybody has the right to feel what they feel. Um, but yeah, uh, the should is not, not a thing and nor is a time period, right? And it's, and it's going to be weird. You're going to like when, when bad thing, a bad thing happens and you feel some kind of way about it. And then, you know, then you're kind of, okay, I think I'm okay again. I think I'm, I'm crawling back out of this. And then something else will bubble up and you'll, and you'll, you'll, be you swoop right back. And you'll feel like you're right back where you were. But you tend to climb out of the hole quicker each time. And when I say you, I mean me. This is the thing my therapist fuses at me about all the time is using the word you. But you guys know what I mean when I say

you. That's one of those things where it's like I'm saying it relatively, you know, but really I mean me. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get it. Well, all right. I hope this helps some people. And if this book sounds like it's for you it's available everywhere just checked uh can get it in kendall hardcover audio book paperback whatever you want available now again that book is healing through the dark emotions by miriam greenspan no relation to uh the fed alan green span no i don't think so as far as i know he needs to heal himself for other reasons uh anyway uh well that was fantastic uh amy once again it's always a pleasure check out red fragel three wherever you uh find her she's everywhere with name. And sometimes it's spelled out three. Sometimes it's the number three. Sometimes it's spelled

out like a three, but you'll find her. And we'll do this again next week. Thanks for being here. Cool. Thanks, y'all. Bye. Thanks, Amy. Bye now. Bye now. All right. We're going to do one news story today. Just to cleanse our palate before Wendy gets here. We're doing a follow-up with Wendy this week because last week we put out a request. Yeah, we got a whole bunch of replies. So we'll do that in a second. But first, this. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Everybody. in the news this morning, good morning. The news today is brought to you by. If you don't tune out when Scott talks about Kim's Garden, euphemism, and cooking,

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Check it out at thegarden isgrowing.com. That is the garden isgrowing.com. I love it. I love it. All right. We had to do this story. Beyond Meat, C.O. Chief Operating Officer. Okay, so the Beyond Meat guy, the guy that sort of runs things at Beyond Meat, they make a meat alternative. Sure.

They sell it to fast food restaurants and other restaurants and have their own products and all that. This big deal was arrested for biting a man's nose. Now, did he eat the nose is what I want to know. I mean, you can only be away from real meat for so long before, you know, that urge kicks in, Brian, and you're like, I could use a nose meat right now. Hmm. Food company executives arrested on a pair of charges after reportedly biting a man's nose in a parking lot in Fayetteville. That's in, where's Fayetteville, North Carolina? Indiana. Indiana? Indiana. I think Indiana. That might be right. What is NWA? Well, it's a rappers. It's a band name, but I don't think that's, oh, Arkansas, Fayetteville, Arkansas, thank you. F. The police come straight from the underground.

It's right, exactly. That's a whole different NWA. That's right. Northwest Arkansas is what this NWA stands for. Oh, Fayetteville, Arkansas. Okay, that makes sense. Doug Ramsey, age 53 of Fayetteville, was arrested on September 17th on charges of terroristic threatening and third-degree battery.

Hold on. Doug Ramsey, isn't that cipher? Oh. In the comics? Oh, weird. Yeah, we got another same name, but not same guy. Yeah. I like it.

Obviously not in this case. He's not a fictional Marvel character. No. He just had to confirm. No, it's all good. According to a preliminary report, the incident happened at a parking lot near Razorback Stadium following Arkansas's victory over Missouri State.

Just after 10 p.m., this is when no good things happened. An officer was dispatched to Gate 15 for a disturbance that had previously occurred in the Stadium Drive parking garage or the SDPG. I don't know why they had to tell us that. It's great that the Stadium Drive parking garage has an accurate. or as an initialism. Oh, yeah, you know, the old SDPG. Yeah, you'll meet me down there, you guy.

I'll park it at the SDPJ. Where are you going to be parking? That's a weird thing. Yeah. The responding officer found two males with bloody faces at the scene. Oof. It says, let's see, the officer spoke with both parties and witness, then determined Ramsey was allegedly in the traffic lane of the structure,

trying to leave, when a Subaru inched its way in front of him, in front of his Bronco, making contact. with the front passenger's side tire. Ramsey got out of his vehicle, allegedly punched through the back windshield of the Subaru. The owner of the Subaru that got out and said, I know, right? That's something to be, like, that almost should make the headline as well.

Yeah. Well, he got the unmeat COO punched through the back window of a Subaru. Yeah, let's see. What were the two charges? Like the freaking Terminator. Charges of terroristic threatening and third degree battery. He feels like they should also have like a damage of personal property or something. Yeah.

Holy mackle. Which I think puts it in felony territory. Maybe the rest of this does too. But anyway, the owner of the Subaru then got out and stated that Ramsey pulled him in close and started punching his body. My body. My body. According to the report, Ramsey also bit the owner's nose ripping the flesh off the tip of his nose. Just the tip, just the tip, just the tip.

The victim and the witness also reported hearing Ramsey threatening to kill the owner of the Subaru. Occupants of both vehicles both got out and helped separate. operate the parties. Ramsey was arrested at 1027 and booked in the Washington County Jail. Yeah, that's a little worked up. One has to get awfully close to someone's face with their mouth to bite their nose.

How? I just think biting exactly. Well, he got right up on him, like pulled up on him and grabbed his shirt and yanked him. So I get the road rage angle, kind of people have it. It happens. Sure. Biting a dude's nose. Yeah, I know. That's like.

And you didn't stop for, one second to think, I'm the chief operating officer of beyond meat where we avoid meat and I'm about to bite meat off of somebody and now the entire world is going to make fun of me eating nose meat. You know what I mean?

Like I just would have thought of that, I think. I think that is a long leap to go to for somebody to think about in the heat of moment right there. You're probably right. He could just as easily think I'm the owner of a black schnauzer and I'm about to eat someone's schnaz. What is the connection here?

Yeah, that's a good point. I still just love this idea that, like, you really want this to be a Doth protest too much, right? Like the, ah, meat, it's got to be fake meat, fake meat, but I'm going to eat some real meat. Yeah, do you think he, so if he is a vegetarian, he's not now, he can't, he can't claim it because he had a little bit of man meat in his mouth, right? I don't, again, I don't, eating a man's nose isn't necessarily eating a man's nose. But if you come away with a chunk of that and it's in your mouth, I think that makes you... But if you swallow it...

Well, that's true. Okay. So can vegetarians flate? Does that mess with their vegetarianism? Okay. Let me ask you this. If you have a piece of hamburger, you're a vegetarian, you get a little piece of hamburger and you kind of slosh it around your mouth and then spit it out. Did you break your vegetarianism or did you not?

I don't know. Because you didn't eat the, you didn't eat the meat. That's what I'm saying, because does that where the, is you have to digest the meat? You have to digest it. Okay. All right. Hell, hell, uh, I'm just visualizing like, oh, I've got some hamburger in my meat. Let me slush it around, uh, in my mouth.

Let me slush it around a little bit. Well, Chad says, or Claire says, nose isn't meat. Why? I've eaten the pigs now before. That I'd, that I'd argue with, because then. one of the main ingredients of an armor hot dog would not be considered meat because it doesn't come from snouts.

Oh, he says it's not vegan. Well, wait a minute. Eating a nose is vegan or isn't vegan? I thought the entirety of vegetarian was contained within vegan and vegan added the other, like, you know, leather and animal byproducts and stuff like that. That's what I thought. That's what I thought.

Oh, geez, Claire, geez. No, I get it, but if you eat somebody's nose meat, are you still that, okay, but that's not animal products. I guess that's just human products, but aren't we animals also? I don't know. I don't know what you people do. You guys have to explain. Vegans need to explain it. I don't know.

I'm going to have bacon later, all right? That's how it's going to go here in my house. Well, sure, sure. But you're also not neither a vegan nor vegetarian. So you could eat and swallow a man's nose and have no, you know, and have no. moral dilemma to face afterwards yeah the moral dilemma i have right now is ever looking at uh clare's all caps it's always a mistake who like fighting with that guy on twitter you know the first step is to is to uh is to not look don't look don't look in the first place all right and uh hopefully you don't

have to edit out a word i used earlier in the show no you'll be fine filet is a nice word i tried to I tried exactly. I tried to, you know, put it in as, hold on a second. Let me rephrase that. Hey, we can say you can blame it on brain fog. It's fine. Brain fog. Yeah, it's COVID fog, everybody. But yeah, fillet is a nice clinical word. You're good, I think. Okay, good, good. Someone will have to tell me otherwise. A medical term is a medical term. Yeah, nobody's in their car right now with an eight-year-old where the kid goes, I know. falate means they don't know or asking yeah next time what is filate uh it's a chicken sandwich at the

it's a fish sandwich at the McDonald's honey it's the seventh sequel to the uh full movie yeah that's right it's the chicken fillate uh we're gonna take a break when we come back my sister will join us we're gonna do a follow-up from last week we put out a question you guys did a bunch of answers we picked one in particular because we think it's perfectly suited for the follow-up but uh we get to all that in a minute uh before that though a song break brian's got the song what do you got over there. Yeah, how about a band called Adaboy? They are in LA indie pop quartet, and they're getting ready to release their third studio album next month.

October 21st is when the third studio album from the band Adaboy comes out. It's called Crab Park. We want you to listen to part of it right now, because you're going to dig it. Here is the first single from Crab Park. It is called Deep Sea Ladder. A face To carry you along And see your face

And just miss you To wait And just for once Have everything to say To just I abuse you Deep sea letter

can't pull you up too fast and thanks exotic fish without the filtered tanks I abuse you and thanks nobody ever notices this place

it'll harm you deep sea letter to a house that's in the middle of an ocean in my mind I know this house is sinking every single out of wine But this house is mine But this house is mine How are you? Good day, there's just some issues with this place

I can't feel your face I have never seen the sunshine on your face I never get to deep sea letters to a house that's in the middle of an ocean can find I know this house is broken

you remind me all the time leave sea letter to a house that's in the middle of an ocean in my mind

I know this house is stinking every single out of line I know this house is broken you remind Me all the time But this house is mine

But this house is My But this house is mine But this house Is mine By now you should know your bitch is pregnant What's your bitch? What is normal for your bitch?

You're bitch. I'm low on gas and you need a jacket. In a world ruled largely by logic. This is the morning stream. And we've returned. Hey, Brian, I'd like to know who that was one more time. I'll happily tell you. That's a band, Addaboy,

from Los Angeles. This is coming from their upcoming album, Crab Park. That's a song called Deep Sea Ladder. Excellent. All right, let's get my post-momm visited sister Wendy. Yeah, but she's got some stories. I mean, I would if I were her, because my mom is the provider of stories. I think it went well.

I talked to her a little bit about it, and I think they had a good time. And, you know, grandkids get to see grandma. Nothing wrong with that. That's all. All good in the hood. Here's this. Everyone knows it's Wendy. Well, well, well, look who it is.

It's my sister, Wendy. She is. Well, well, well, well, I hope you. Finally showed up. Yeah, look who drug the dog. No, dog, cat drug in. I don't know the face. Whatever it is.

That's close. Anyway, it's Wendy, everybody. She is my sister, but also a trained professional therapist who helps people with their problems all the time and does it for free here on Thursdays in a little segment we call Therapy Thursday you probably already aware of all this but it never hurts to tell the new people. Wendy, welcome back. How are you? Thanks. Good. How are you? I'm fine. How was mom? Mom's good. You had a good time. Yeah, we had a good time. It is good. You know what? I feel like your kids, it's good. They get to see their, you know, their grandma here and there. They got two

grandmas, but, you know, it's good to see this one. And so I was happy to hear that. I guess this weekend, Becky and Mark will be here. So we're going to see them at Lishes House. We're A family mini reunion happened. Yeah, I'm hoping for some. Yeah, we had a, we had a good time, and we did some fun stuff. I told you we were going to go sailing, and I, none of us had ever been, so everyone's first time, you know, and we got some good wind, and the captain was hilarious, and he'd been basically captaining this boat since he was 13.

His parents built the boat. Oh, geez. And it's. Makes it somewhere. Yeah, I mean, it was so cool. But he just steered the boat with his bare foot. Like, he stood up above the wheel and just, it was so funny. Really?

Yeah, like, he was so calm and natural. And, you know, everyone on the boat was their first time. And there was a lot of us and lots of kids, like, hanging on to edges. It was pretty fun. But at one point, we tip pretty far like you're supposed to, right? You've seen this. Yeah. And you are bracing your feet against a bar, so you don't fall in if you're on.

on the deck and then mom's in and mom and john are sitting on these inside like you know so they're safe but they're on a chair well that it is tipping so far yeah that mom it comes off her seat and is sliding across the boat to this other guy who's 88 years old and weighs like a hundred pounds oh no she's going to kill jack it was hilarious and no one died died. No one had a camera out or anything. Dang it. I don't, I mean, we were all hanging on for our lives, so I don't think anyone. And my friend, that exact moment was laying down when it turned and she was going backwards. So she's going head first into the bar. We're all trying to save her. It was so fun. And the captain is laughing and steering with his toe. It was crazy. That's great. Did John ever get up and try to pull a Captain Phillips and go, I'm the captain now and take control of the ship? No. Okay, that's good. It was very cute. His parents built this boat to sail around the world, and they got as far as the St. Croix River, which is about 20 minutes from their house.

And they were like, this is awesome. And they just stayed there ever since. So it never went around the world. Wow. It just goes down this cool river. That's really cool. That's awesome. Well, I'm glad everything worked out.

I guess they're home now, right? They're not there anymore. No. I haven't heard. So I assume they're home. They made it, I believe. All right. Well, if I hear any good conspiracy theories this weekend, I'll let you know.

And we'll see how it goes. Let's get to this. So last week, you had put out a request for those who felt like they maybe had some experience with rejection sensitivity to Sforia, which we talked about last week at length. And we got a bunch of emails. So thank you all for sending them in. So many. Yeah. Wendy read every single line of all of them.

And we picked one because this one just feels like, I don't know, this kind of encompasses it really well. At least I think that's why you pick this one. It does seem that way to me. But let's go ahead and read it. And we'll see how we go with this very concise. But really quick, everyone else, no, we aren't rejecting you. No. Not at all.

Because we didn't pick your email. Yeah. That's important, right? Like, you want to make that clear because we're asking people to do a thing where your email may not be read. And we don't want you to feel rejection-sensitive dysphoria as a result. Right. And it may feel inevitable that you risked yourself, you put yourself out there, and then

we're not going to read it and respond to it. But no, it was red. And this one was just concise enough and had a couple elements I wanted to make sure we covered. So this is why I picked this one. Yeah. But everyone's was good. All right. I'm going to read it.

This is from someone who said they have no problem with us saying their name and their location. So not the exact location, but it's Travis from Aurora, Colorado. So somebody from your home state there, Brian. Yeah. It says, hello, Scott, Brian, and Wendy. I just listened to Wendy's Therapy Thursday episode about rejection-sensitive dysphoria. I'm 31 years old and was diagnosed with. with ADHD from a very young age.

As early as I could remember, I've always struggled with rejection and emotional outbursts, though, as I've grown older, my emotions have mellowed out. What Wendy said really resonated with me, and I was able to really identify with a ton of symptoms she listed, particularly the embarrassment on top of the fear of rejection. I remember when I was 15 years old and was on a day with a girl that I had met at a party. We were at the movies, and I was holding her hand. When I think she just got either uncomfortable with the intimacy or something, she pulled her hand away from mine. I remember just breaking down crying and for what seemed like something really insignificant.

I may have been young at the time and didn't understand what was going on. But another time when I was 19 years old, I had another experience of breaking down crying when I was spurned from a kiss. It makes me cringe thinking about it now. Speaking of cringe, my mind tends to bring up super cringy moments in my life. I absolutely hate it. I'm certain this is why I avoid social situations to prevent further cringy moments for my brain to remind me of. When it comes to perfectionism, I tend to do this as well. Thankfully, I take my D-E-S.

You know what that is? It's an amphetamine, M-Y-D-A-Y-I-S is the name of it, similar to Van As, which, again, I don't know if I'm saying that right, which helps me focus and gives me the ability to follow through on things, whereas when unmedicated, everything I do is either half-assed or takes way too long. perhaps I'm unrelated, but I have also dealt with self-loathing from a very young age as well. I used to self-harm frequently while in school, culminating in the suicide attempt during my freshman year in college. I have not cut myself since then. However, I have attempted suicide a couple of times. I no longer wish to die as I have changed my perspective to being intrigued as to what will happen next.

However, I feel like I'm not living up to my own expectations as I want to be involved with the IT systems management, but haven't made any progress towards my goal. I've always wanted to write in, but never felt like I could broach a decent topic for the show. Thanks, Travis. P.S. I don't know if my writing's intelligible. No, you did great. You did awesome. But I think it's important to read this. It says, I rarely talk to people anymore and haven't written in a while. So I think that's, I don't know, something to key in on. PPS, I have, you have permission to use my name and location. All right. So there you go. That's Travis. And he really laid it out there. And it feels like those examples when he's younger, even though he was younger. And we all think we may have had

similar experiences, those feel like the definition of what you talked about last week to me. Yeah. So I'm going to redefine it for those who, it's not a clinical diagnosis in the sense of like, I have RSD, but you experience this and it often is accompanied by other diagnostic or a neurotypic stuff, right? Like so, for example, well, okay, let me just define it. So rejection sensitivity, dysphoria is extreme emotional sensitivity. pain triggered by the perception that a person is being rejected or criticized by important

people in their life. So it's not, we all have some sensitivity to rejection. We as a human being, you, it's one of our fundamental needs is to not be rejected, right? And so we're all sensitive to it when it presents itself. And we all misperceive things all the time, right? So to misperceive something as rejection is going to be a pretty common experience. But the dysphoria, apart is what sets this aside for folks. It is an extreme reaction. So the Greek word for, you know, dysphoria is a Greek word that means difficult to bear. I mean, we're talking, you're not just like, it is like a significant weight or, and his description of like getting rejected for trying, you know, she just pulls her hand away and he is sobbing in tears, right?

That is a weight that's just much bigger than someone. else might experience that same perceived rejection. But then here we have the trouble of the snowball effect. So you're sobbing, crying in the theater. And now this person is going, whoa, I think I've made a good choice not holding their hand because that doesn't seem stable and that is threatening, right? So you can see how the response of this dysphoria can then lead to even more rejection. And then it's really hard to tell what is rejection, what's not, and what's where it's coming

from and it can just be an incredibly burdens of situation to be experiencing. So does that make sense? Yeah, that does make sense. Okay. So the thing about this is it's, you know, definitely two ways to handle it, two ways that this occurs. And I wanted to mention this. And then we can talk about more specifics from the email, but there's an internalization

of this emotional response. So some of you might be like, wow, I am really sensitive to rejection, but I don't ever I'm not going to cry or I'm not going to yell at someone or lash out, but their response is to internalize it. And this can look like a major mood disorder with suicidal ideations. This cutting behavior he described, that could be connected to that. I mean, to fully know that, he needs to be evaluated by someone who's an expert in this. But that is not unusual to be under that much distress.

about being feeling rejected and then not having suicidal ideations or self-harming ideation, right? Because, you know, you're feeling this incredibly intense feeling super sad or, you know, from one minute you're fine to incredibly sad. And so people can just get diagnosed sometimes as, oh, it's bipolar or it's some other kind of mood disorder because it's rapid cycling. when it might be that you're very sensitive to rejection and then there's a dysphoric response. And so you really want somebody who knows what they're doing in diagnosing this, because especially if ADHD is involved. So we mentioned this last time that ADHD is a really common, RSD is a really common symptom of ADHD,

particularly in adults. And I have a theory behind that. Like, he gave him some stories from when he was younger and then, you know, things have happened as he's gotten older. And I now have everybody's stories in my head that I read in the emails. And a lot of them will describe troubles at work. Yeah. Thinking something's going on at work and having just like a really explosive response to that. And, you know, so they're managing, unable to manage that emotion, either outward or inward.

So the other way, obviously, is turning it outward, right? Right. exploding towards others. And this is one of those, sorry to interrupt, but this is one of those things where I feel like everybody's had some version of this. Let's use work as the example.

At work, someone's had some version of this where you feel like, are they in there talking about me? Are they, is this about me that meeting they're having? Why is he looking me that way? Like all of those sensibilities,

I feel like everybody's had some form of that. I guess what you're talking about today is when like a lot of, not disorders but a lot of mental states it's when it explodes or goes too far or is a thing that ends up ruining everything else like it's natural to sometimes feel a little paranoid around the manager who doesn't like you or you think doesn't like you or you read an email you weren't supposed to and he was rude or whatever so you have reason to think that guy's out to get you like those things happen to people the trick is trying to not let that be every situation that you

see you automatically see that this is all a problem or that you're going to be rejected to matter what because obviously that's that's what the situation you know what I'm saying like that's what you're saying is that this is not this isn't that this is like a level above that a level above that you can't control it feels like like you could extrapolate from what you just said oh well just try not to let it bother you right like the answers it's always like when someone has never experienced depression and they tell someone who is like, just try not being sad, you know, going to walk, right? Like you don't really get it and you're giving advice that works for you.

And I think this is another great example of we've all experienced a taste of this so we think we get it, but you don't get what it's like to lose complete control because it feels like you have been rejected. Right. Right. And so the externalizing of this emotional response, let me just give this as a definition to show sort of the extremity of, right? It looks like an impressive, instantaneous rage

at the situation or person responsible for causing the pain. Right. So we have seen this when people film it. Right. And there's been versions of this is what fuels the Internet of, you know, we can see or we can think someone is an enormous jerk how they're responding to something they perceive as this other person causing them pain, right?

I'm not saying that's, this explains everything we've ever seen. No, but this certainly could be the cause of a lot of what we've seen. Right, right. And so, and so to me, what's more interesting about, like, people just having tempers and exploding versus this, which is, can look like a bunch of things, right? And that's what's hard. When this stuff mimics other things, it's really hard to dissect it and find out what stuff really is.

That's why this ADHD sort of connection is, can be powerful. Right? Because there's a lot of folks who know they have ADHD. They've struggled with it, you know, and them hearing this and all those emails relate to this is they have felt this feeling of it's just so big. And it's not what other people around them are doing in similar situations. And it can cause so much shame and, you know, create challenges in their relationships. But here's my current theory. I haven't checked this. So ignore me. This is just, you know. Me throwing out of thought. But that why it is so commonly connected with the ADHD and it doesn't really show up until adulthood is something that's been happening to a kid struggling with ADHD their whole life. Is that when, so just take, let's take this stereotypical,

because men and women display some of these symptoms a little bit differently, but the stereotypic little kid you see who is bouncing off the wall. right all over the place not you know maintaining a conversation long enough you know you're just they're just all over the place and that kid so now just imagine trying to interact with that kid as an adult as a teacher as a peer and you're not able to connect or sustain connection very long with a child like that or they're not going to follow through on the thing that they're supposed to if you're that adult giving them an assignment. And so again and again, and this is typically kids who are untreated, and there's

many who've been, you know, and sometimes they're the distracted daydreamer kid, not the hyperactive kid. And similarly, people think something's getting through. The kid's not really paying attention. And so they're going to get in trouble a lot. Right? They're going to get reprimanded. They're going to get rejected socially by a peer who's like, hello, did you even hear me?

okay bye you know like that that ongoing feedback loop of i am and and think of it from a movie screen perspective or like you know the point of view of the kid you know you see something shiny you run after it you are thinking about something in your head that you want to do later that day while the teacher's talking to you you are your your camera lens is focused on whatever it is focused on and you're missing a bunch of different things so when you bring it back to see this angry face, right? Yeah. And you're just in trouble.

I think from a young age, that's really hard to understand what's happening for a child. And then there's defense mechanisms that get built around that as they grow. And so a hyper awareness of somebody's anger towards you or disappointment towards you or if we just clump it together with rejection of you is you've been training for this Olympics your whole life. And then suddenly, as an adult, when you are supposed to be paying the bills and keeping that job and making this relationship work and all of the real, really difficult pressures of being an adult are on top of things, this sensitivity to rejection and the resulting dysphoria probably are connected. This is my theory, probably connected to just the training of having to protect yourself from being in trouble and hurt and rejected. So then it's double what it is for a kid who never had those experiences or for, you know, adults who are like, yeah, I don't like being rejected. That's not fun.

But they don't need to survive it like a kid who's had to learn to survive it their whole life survives. And that's to me that huge response is survival. Right. So externally. Why is it all of these things tend to be? Why? This is a dumb question I just realized. Because, of course, it's happening.

formative years like of course it's the time we're learning it always starts yeah and our brain is like molding and changing and what you told me once or told the show once it's like 26 or seven your brain stops finally doing stuff like think of that era of time zero to 26 it's like of course so if we get hung up on one or two things whatever it is then those haunt us forever that sucks I don't like that about humans I feel bad it's debilitating and lame it is it is and it is It's frustrating, but it is also, I mean, the point of most of the work I do with people is to find those places and where that pain has occurred and help people with that, right? Because once that is relieved and there's some compassion they can experience towards

themselves about what they've been through. And doing some of that hard internal work, I mean, the rewards are endless because There's a freedom from having to do your defense mechanisms, having to interact with the world in the way that keeps you the safest, et cetera, et cetera. You know, I look at, I work right now with a bunch of college students. I don't know. I go on waves with things. But I know.

I'm in a college phase. Yeah. And, you know, every one of them is in line to get their ADHD diagnostic test done and perform to see if that's what's going on for them, right? And some of that is awareness and everyone around them has it and everyone's naturally distracted problematically so, but just this feeling of not functioning very well and not handling the things that are happening, et cetera, right? And I don't know the answer to everything here. I really don't, but here is, again, according to me, I think a big piece of at least this generation's

challenge with anxiety and depression is not, oh, I know it exists, so now I have it. I think you can make an argument for, you know, sort of absorbing what the culture is telling you is maybe your deal. But I think another piece of, a big piece of it is, you know, take one of these kids and ask them how they were parented around safety and is the world a good, safe place. And you will find again and again and again, it was just messages of you're going to get kidnapped. And, you know, anxiety can be transferred from generation to generation. I think there is with media and accessibility to information, you're having more and more of

those fears transmitted to other kids. I watched a friend recently describe in front of her son and me how, you know, he's not even motivated to go to college after high school because what is the point? Because the world's such a hot dumpster fire. And I just saw the kids' shoulder slump and kind of like, see? And I was like, oh, guys, I'm not saying we got a fake makeup stuff. Yeah. But like, we're taking our stuff as adults. Kids just are having adult realities way sooner than, you know, before remember

we used to have to go find a newspaper and like, go sit down and read it. Yeah. No, now the anxiety just comes at you from everywhere. Every corner. And so figuring out how to manage. that the world isn't safe and I'm going to get rejected all the time is a really difficult job of being an adult. And so there's where my theory goes. These kids have been struggling with that throughout their childhood of, I'm getting rejected. I don't understand why. And it hurts

really bad. Yeah. And so as an adult, they're having really big, big responses. So there's treatment for this. So let's get into that for a second. And then maybe we should talk about some elements of so is there anything else about the email that you guys think we should um tackle before i go to treatments the cringy the recalling of cringy experiences i assume on those past yeah yeah it feels like it goes to a lot of conversations we've had on the show already about bringing up past stuff or think worrying about future stuff that you can't control and trying to be in the moment kind of thing so maybe maybe that's all maybe that's you know part of this is learning to be present and doing, you know, perhaps meditation to create that, you know, focus on what's

happening right now instead of what has happened or might happen. So maybe that some of that stuff would help him. But, you know, I don't know. I don't know if that's any different in his situation or if RSD is a thing for him. If those things are harder, easier, like, I don't know. Well, I would assume it's probably more. It's a form of anxiety and rumination, right? Why do we ruminate about a thing that happened, it's essentially our system is trying to plan out what we're going to do next time so we don't get hurt. So I imagine if with RSD you are getting hurt in huge ways, and it's relative, right? Like someone outside and you may go, wait, what?

But you are experiencing wounding internally that the rest of us would downplay because that's not what we experience, but if you're experiencing it, there's your wounding, right? but his email also points to like how isolating ultimately this is right um i'm so afraid of being rejected then i won't put myself in any places where i get rejected which means i might the world get smaller and smaller and smaller um and that is anxiety's favorite trick it's to keep you in a cave so that you'd never go get shot or eaten by a bear right right and so if it it gets to decide what's happening your world will become tiny and and and quote unquote, safe, right?

Right. But you'll still be suffering in that place because we also know that our systems need other human beings connection, meaning the power of story in our own lives to be healthy. And so it is a constant battle between keep us alive

and keep us sane, you know, there really is a biological battle happening. And so I would say that ruminating and rethinking what happened and, you know, that's just another piece of his system trying to keep him safe from being rejected again. So take, Scott, every time you got on a plane, you vomited violently. No, I did not. I never did that.

No, I'm just saying, what if you did? Let's say, what if? Oh, okay. If you're saying what if, okay, I would never fly. Well, I just wouldn't. Two streaks would be broken in one shot. Yeah, all my streaks would break. I'd have to use a plane bathroom and throw up for the first time since 05.

Um, no, I, by the way, yeah, but by the way, I, I, I need to apologize to everyone for something that my, um, husband and son like to remind me of, is I say stuff, but I have no visual imagination, right? We've talked about my A Fantasia. Yeah. So I can say something crazy, but I don't picture it so it. So it doesn't hurt me. Right. And other people who can picture things. I'm so sorry. Oh, that's a like, yeah, I never really thought of it that way. No wonder you're so impervious to, uh, emotional damage. Yeah. It doesn't get to me because I'm like, I see nothing. I can close my eyes and like, okay, Scott puking on a plane. How did you get born by the same genetic parents? I see everything. You see nothing. I don't get it. Because Scott got all of it and Wendy got none of it.

I guess so. I think it's truly what has happened. Because the other day I was like, come on, Wendy, you can picture a thing. Just try it. I can't. It's gray. There's nothing but gray when I close my eyes. You know what it is.

When they pulled out one of your ovaries when you were seven or whatever, they yanked out your, whatever this is. Anyway, and that's another thing, I can picture. entirely that you don't have to picture at all. You know, you don't even have to see it. So I can say garbage and my whole family will start gagging at dinner and I'm like, oh, I forgot. You guys can't, you see what I just said and I did not see it. Sure, sure, sure. So I apologize to all of you for that.

But okay, so let's, so that's a piece of actually the compliment or the cool thing about an anxious brain. It is very creative, right? It's visual usually. In fact, on the boat, one of the kids. All the kids are like, yeah. And one kid is hysterically crying because she's picturing everyone dying. Yeah. Right?

That's the anxious kid who doesn't yet know how to manage the visualization that her brain will do to keep her and her family safe, right? So if you're more sensitive to this stuff and it, you know, it tends to be in already there, you probably, you add ADHD and childhood maybe experiences of rejection. and boom we are in this space that is incredibly difficult and most of us experiencing it would just not go outside again right we'd be very motivated like you're not getting on a plane after one experience with that embarrassment oh I would be in your nightmare I would be very hesitant hesitant to reticent probably is the other word you're reticent yeah that is the better word or at the very least I would be like okay here we go freaking that was a nightmare here we go again, like I don't know why, you know, I would get into my head that I would never

want to repeat such a thing. And your brain's pretty good at saying, doing the math and saying, all right, since every time we've been on a plane, you violently throw up everywhere. What if you don't get on the plane? Do you know what I mean? Like your brain can tell you that. And your brain would go, the rest of you go, yeah, yeah. If I don't get on, there's no chance. Right. I'm good. 100%. So if I don't interact with the outside world, I'm not going It was humiliated. Exactly. Yeah.

100%. And especially when there's specifics. I like this email for this particular region of like romantic rejection is a great place for this to find you, right? Because, you know, the reality of dating and getting to know people and relationships working and not working, I mean, it is rife with rejection and the opportunity for rejection. It's part of the deal. But enough painful, you know, really big experiences. And sometimes this suicidal ideation is just like, I can't, I can't live like this. Another piece of the cutting behavior or self-harm is just relief from this intense

humiliation or agony from experiencing these things, right? And so it really is understandable. But you don't have to live like this. This is the point of everything here in the end. So a couple quick ways this may show up. for people. So we have the really isolating option, right? Yeah.

And so they just are not going to do anything with that. And so that's really tricky and it has a huge impact on people's lives. The other thing that people can do is they become people pleasers. So they end up scanning every person they meet

to figure out what that person might like and then you present that false view of yourself to be like, to and to never trigger rejection. And that just becomes your dominating goal. And you can't make, you know, your own decisions because you're always worried about making other people happy.

Right. So you can imagine that, right? Right. Sure. Okay. So, well, there's another quick version of this. And that's just trying to overachieve, do everything perfectly. So perfectionism is really common here, too.

of if and I think Brne Brown said this at some point like a car analogy if perfection is ever driving the car shame is in the front seat next to it it's like how do we never feel shame

how do I get out of shame well I do everything perfectly right yeah okay so something to think about with RSD it is part of ADHD for the most part it's neurological it's genetic

early trauma makes it worse, of course. Sometimes just knowing there's a name for this can be really helpful. Not everyone with ADHD experiences this, but it's kind of a subset. But nice to know it's not your fault. You're not damaged. Your system, it's like your just tuner is up really high. And so therapy is so fun and I love it and I think it does all sorts of good, good things.

But sometimes it actually doesn't help. it's not going to help maybe specifically with the RSD. Maybe it helps to talk about it afterwards with their therapist, right? So there's value in maybe helping to manage this, but there are medication solutions for this. Yeah. And this is why I would recommend people talk to their doctor, who is really good with ADHD slash a specialist,

because most doctors are not going to be saying, well, I know all about this. Because this is, this is, I've been in the same, field 20 years and this is still pretty new to me. And maybe not and not the ADHD specialists. It's not new.

Anyway, so there is a alpha agonist. It's kind of a blood pressure medication Clonidin and Clonphasine. Yeah, there's a couple different ones there but it's originally designed as a blood pressure medication. They found that there's an optimal dose there

that they can mix and match a little bit, and people will have relief from RSD. So that can be life-changing. Think about that. Yeah. No kidding. And sometimes that's even more impactful than taking a stimulant for the ADHD. And some people, the stimulant for ADHD, you know, Ritalin or whatever,

is effective for this as well and can kind of treat both. So you would have to work with somebody. to figure out. But they seem to work equally well, but just for different groups of people. Okay. So get some help with that. The other option is a M-A-O-I. Oh, yeah. That is the monamine oxidase inhibitors. Yeah. And you have to be careful with those. So make sure the person really knows what they're doing.

Because there's other meds you can't mix with those. That's real serious stuff, right? Low blood pressure, it has some, some effect. that if you mix that with stuff, you have to be careful. But that can be, you know, they're looking at that being as another helpful option. So, so, you know, you don't get to eat certain foods or take other medications. So it's a harder route. But, you know, if this is something that's taking over, be worth talking to someone about it. Yeah, for sure.

Interesting. Okay. Well, I mean, as usual, I feel like this is the case. where somebody needs to talk, I mean, would you say, you kind of alluded to it before, these ADHD specialists know about a lot of these things you're talking about? Is that the kind of person he should see? I think so. I think, you know, my sense is this isn't somebody who's talked to many people about this, right?

And for some of the other folks who wrote in, they've tried therapy or they've done different things. I think, you know, once you sort of flew into this as this is maybe what's happening, if you talk to a therapist who has no clue about this, they'll just say, well, yeah, I mean, we all feel rejected and, okay, so let's tired, you know, so you're just going to treat it and manage it a little bit differently than someone who's like, of course, or says, do you have RSD and teaches you about it and helps you, you know, sort of understand this emotional dysregulation that can happen and is often overlooked. So that's why I would really recommend, you know,

starting out with someone who knows what they're doing is always awesome, right? It's not always easy. But it might be tricky to get there. And that's why this is, you know, I always, my beef with therapy is the reality of finding someone, making sure they're a good fit, it's affordable. All of those things are really tricky to do. And when you are so worried about being rejected, it's so hard to just shop around.

I mean, like, man, I'm really like that person or they weren't really helpful for me. When you are absolutely guarded and prepared to be rejected and the whole point is you open up, I mean, that is a big step. Yeah, yeah. So even the medication route first here might be more optimal in order to then be able to do any other work with a specialist because you know you have to bring the temperature down in order to then be vulnerable enough to communicate about it right so you can see why this would be one that doesn't get treated and it's rarely treated right because i got to go in and tell someone all my thoughts and feelings uh that's the whole thing yeah it's the entire problem yeah so yeah so your your

resistance to going in and doing anything about it is probably upped compared to anybody else yeah um So I would actually, and I usually like to recommend the other way around for a lot of things, but this might be one where I would recommend the medication route. Communicating with a psychiatrist who specializes in ADHD and RSD specifically, you know, like going right for that, they're going to know how to handle that rather than just hoping you find a therapist who maybe it says on their bio like ADHD, but they also have 300 other things they do. Yeah.

That's not the one I'm talking about. No, that's more general purpose. And this is not easy to do. I realize, as I'm saying this, like, oh, my gosh, I don't even know how to find this person. So let me think about how I can help them find this person, right? Because they do exist. You just have to do some searching. Let's do some digging around.

All right then. Let us know, Travis, how this lands on you and how you're doing and what you end up doing for yourself. And everybody else who participated, you guys are all awesome. Thank you for all of that. It gave Wendy a big broad window of people to look at. emails to choose from, yeah. So we really appreciate that. In the meantime, RealSteps.org is taking sign-ups.

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Have a great week. Take a picture. We'll see you later. We will. Bye. She'll need a picture because she can't, you know, she can't imagine these things without taking a picture. That's what she said earlier.

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We haven't decided yet. We'll figure out something. We haven't. I have been invited to a barbecue, so we'll need to you and I need to talk about timing and what's a good length of, you know, we don't have to, it's like, all right, we're going to do a five-minute YouTube video, bye everybody, but it'll be like, you know, 75 to 95 minute, 90-minute thing. Yeah, or even like another, like I had a lot of fun with that incredible Hulk episode. We could do something like that. Yeah, actually, that would be perfect.

Yeah, something would give you a little buffer there. So there's no rules there. So we can do whatever we want. We do what we want. Oh, Free Rangers says the first episode, Moon Night. That's a nice thought, or even Ms. Marvel or? Interesting. You guys are trying to get me to watch things. I see. Yeah. Well, yeah. All right, we'll see.

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I brought one. You know, I always have to bring one, Scott, because, you know. Brian Hitchcock, aka Grey Malkin 13, wrote in, said, 51 years. We'll play a little happy birthday thing for him, and you can pull that. Congratulations. It occurs on this Saturday, day after tomorrow. So Thursday or Monday works. So something, he says, so what by Dee Snyder, rock on, test the ship's fish sandwich, beep.

Ah, love you guys, keep up the work. All right, well, I'll try. Talk about a complete dump blade. Yeah, just a blah, blah. All right, so let's see if I can get it. Let's test the ship's phaser. The Tendicus, bacon, cheddar, what are the other two?

A fish sandwich and beep. Ah! Hey, two are I get a fish sandwich? And... No, that's not it. Hold on. Bad. No.

No. Yep. No. Diabetes. No. No. Bad gay pobies. How about a booby.

Oh, shit. I can't find the honk one. You know what? All those were so... There it is. There it is. There it is. Wow. I think it's time to maybe do some more merging and, you know, have... Hey, is it too really a beep? Ah! Yeah, I'll just do one big fat file. Why don't I do that? Oh, my gosh. We should totally do that. A massive mashup.

Yeah. There's only... I mean, there's, like, literally the same ones get asked for every time. So why don't we? Some of the chat says there's a place to submit these requests right there on the website, frogpans.com slash TMS. there's a link exactly link and that's the only way you can submit if you send me an email i will not only ignore that email but i will forward it to a nigerian prince yep uh and let him start talking to you so sweet sweet uh hey brain hitchcock remember him he wanted to hear this song so what by d snider uh well all right two things it's not a cover first of all i looked at that song that was written by d snider it's from his brand new album which is not brand new one of his newest albums. It came out in 2016 called We Are the Ones. On there, there's a great acoustic cover of

we're not going to take it. But then there's also this cover. So I just slid up a couple tracks for you, Brian Hitchcock. It's good. It's not transformative, but it's good. And it's fascinating that this is D. Snyder. It's D. Snyder covering nine-inch nails, head like a hole. Oh my gosh. I didn't expect any of that right there. Mind blue. Yeah, my brain is on the wall all right uh well here it is enjoy it we'll see you guys on monday for a regular show and all that other crap we talked about this weekend we'll see you then head like a hole i'll know you know i'll know anything for you know i'll know Just tell me what you want me to

We'll leave against the wall Don't want everything he wants it all No you can't take it No you can't take it No you can't take that away from me No you can't take it No you can't take it No you can't take them away from me

Head like a hole Black and your soul I'd rather die Then give you control Head like a hole Black and your soul I'd rather die Then give you control

Pound out before the one you serve You're going to get what you deserve Bound out to follow the one you serve You're going to Get what you deserve God money's not looking for the cure Not concerned about the sick among the pure Let's go dancing on the pack

Some of the bruise Got money is not one to choose No, you can't take it No you can't take it No you can't take that a way to me No you can't take it No you can't take it No you can't take that away for me

Head like a hole Black as you're slow I'd rather die Then give you control Head like a hole But I can't you soul I'd rather die Then give you control

Bound out to follow You're going to get what you deserve You're going to get what you deserve Bound out to follow the one you serve You're going to get what you deserve And like a little bit more Black as your soul I'd rather die

Then give you control Head like a ho Black as your soul I'd rather die Then give you control Head like a ho Black as your soul I'd rather die

Then give you control Head like a ho Black as your soul I'd rather die That give you control Pound out of the follower one you serve You're going to get what you deserve Bounda the form of one you serve

You're going to get what you deserve Now down the follow one you serve You're going to get what you deserve Bow down before the one you serve You're going to get what you deserve Bow down but for the one you serve You're going to get what you deserve Bow down to follow the one you serve

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