The Morning Stream - TMS 2359: Zero points of articulation

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

Tall Guy with the Small Fry. Shit Out of Luck Dot Com. Fletchamentals. Unboxing the 4 eyed Cactus. Coitus, Amphetamines, and Mating Possibilities. I just assume they are all dead. Gallon O'Shade. Make... America Greasy Again. Reagan is shitting in his grave. drinking the Tubi KoolAid. 5 McDonalds Later, poop out of luck. Get your ass in Mars. Graveside Manners with Amy. Fighting FOO with Wendy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Coming up on TMS, Tall Guy with the Small Fry. Shit out of luck.com. Fletcha Mentals. Unboxing the four-eyed cactus. Coitus, amphetamines, and mating possibilities. I just assume they're all dead. Gallin-o-shade. Make America greasy again.
Starting point is 00:00:16 Reagan is shitting in his grave. Drinking the tuby Kool-Aid. Five McDonald's later, poop out of luck. Get your ass to Mars. Graveside manners with Amy. Fighting foo with Wendy and more. On this episode of The Morning Street. You can't enter my magical computer world without first creating an account for our social media platform that's actively destabilizing the world's governments.
Starting point is 00:00:40 I'm not Walmart and is a cat in the ice machine. Good morning. And welcome to TMS. It's the morning for Thursday, October 6th, 2022. I'm Scott Johnson, and he's Brian Nibbitt. Hi, Brian. I am. Yeah, I am. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Prepping for the, we talked about a pre-show. He's pre-show. He's prepping for the big game tonight. That's right. Going to the big game. Yeah. Go to the big game. What's your go-to food at the formerly mile high stadium? What do you get there? Oh, they've got like a, a new section they added this year to the bottom level, which has three local restaurants, three local good, good restaurants, Cherry Cricket, Astero Marco, and a tacos place that are all owned by the same restaurant tour, run by the same restaurant tour.
Starting point is 00:01:48 And you go up and you get a little, do little touchpad to place your order, and then you just go up and you pick it up. And I think we're going to do Astero Marco tonight, which is Italian food. They make these really good pizzas there. And the team and I have been waiting to try the ones at mile higher at Empower Field or whatever it's called now. Whatever it's called next week. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:08 So I don't know if I'm alone in this and you can confer or deny, but I feel like some of the best, I don't know why this is. It must be because you're in the open air or you're even in closed spaces like hockey arenas. Even if the food's terrible, it's so good there. Like, I love eating at a sporting event, and I don't know why. There's truth in that, yeah. And the, um, there is, uh, there's, there's some really good. So 303 hot sauce or hatch chili sauce is a sponsor of the, of the Broncos or the stadium or whatever. And, um, they have these nachos there that are like shredded chicken, this hatch green chili sauce.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Of course, a queso, um, tomatoes, onions, jalapinos. Um, and it's so. So damn good. That sounds so good. And it's all stuff. She's in my freaking weakness, man. Yeah. And it's all going to, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:02 haunt your gut probably later in the night. But the point is, while you're there and in the moment, it's amazing. Something about that. Yeah. Even crappy little hot dogs. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:03:11 Yeah. But you give me that same hot dog at home and I'm like, why are we doing this? This is terrible. It's like camping. Did we not have any real food? Yeah. It's like camping.
Starting point is 00:03:20 You go camping and whatever it is you brought to cooking the fire or however you're doing it, it'll taste like the environment. Environment. Environment plays a big part of the, that and creates a showcase for the food, a foundation for the food. Yeah, that's right. Now, speaking of foundations and showcases.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Yes. I don't know if you knew this, but back in the early 60s, the show Dragnet predicted the future. What? What? What? What? So I found a clip watching, just had it randomly playing in the background for whatever reason when I'm working, especially art stuff. I love having old shit.
Starting point is 00:03:58 That's a good background thing. Yeah, just old stuff. It can be comedies, dramas, I don't care. Stuff from the 50, 60, 70s, just playing in the background. And usually it's something like, um, Bernie, niner, I can't think of the name of anything. Rockford files, yeah. Usually something like that or Columbo or something.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Well, yesterday, I'm like, oh, they got Dragnet. Let's put this on. I think it was tuby or something. Okay. And I just let it run. And I heard this. You've gotten full, full, whole hog into the tuby, haven't you? Yeah, Brian was right.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Dunaway has gotten you to drink the Kool-A he was he was right and with ad blocking it's just like a big free streaming service And also it has a ton of good shit in there I feel like I owe him an apology, but anyway I'll never do it publicly here's here's what I found Brian and this is just interesting Because it feels like they successfully predicted the future So you got Harry Morgan as the agent whatever and then the other dude who's the famous web This is the city that guy, Jack Webb, yep.
Starting point is 00:04:58 And here they are talking Joe Friday about stuff that's come true already or is coming true now. Here you are. Have you been smoking marijuana? Marijuana is illegal. I know that. That's right. For now. In a couple of years, things may change
Starting point is 00:05:12 when all the kids grow up and start wearing ties and going to the polls. Marijuana is going to be like liquor, packaged and taxed and sold right off the shelf. I doubt it, Mr. Shipley. Look, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it seems to me there must be better things for cops to do, then chase down wild rumors about something as innocent as marijuana.
Starting point is 00:05:29 Why don't you go after the big bad guys, the heroin peddlers? I won't argue with you about them. They should be stopped. That's right. We'd like to put them out of business. That's why we're here. What do you mean? We're trying to keep them from getting a new customer. There's a big difference between marijuana and hard narcotics. Yeah, but it's only a small step. And everybody who takes a drink is going to be an alcoholic. We know that's not true,
Starting point is 00:05:49 don't we? Let's face it, we're on opposite sides of the fence and there's nothing we can do about it. For you, if there's a law against it, it's wrong, black and white. I just don't see things that way, that's all. Well, you ought to give it a try, fella. It might keep you out of jail. Maybe, but we'll change the law, so even though your friend here thinks we won't. See? See? That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Isn't that crazy? I mean, that's straight up. That's exactly what happened. I don't know if at the time that sounded like crazy talk. It might have. Yeah. You know, I never marry a horse hockey. Marijuana's never going to be legal.
Starting point is 00:06:19 You always do. Like, when I'm watching this, I want Harry Morgan to go full current. Potter, you never got. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Of course. But I just thought that was something. Boy, that sounded like Tony Dow. Oh, yeah, it did. It's not him, obviously, but it did sound like Tony Dow. Weird. Good ear on that. Gosh, you know, marijuana is going to be legal, dad. Can I borrow the car? Me and Eddie Haskell are going to go check out the pictures. I don't know who it was. It was some young up-and-comer in 1960. two or something? And did you look up to see if he's dead now, by the way?
Starting point is 00:06:57 No, I just assume it. Oh, okay. I just assume it. I assume they all died. I know the old guys did. I don't know about him. I had some, you know, 20-year-old kid in 1967, so what, he's 50 or he's 70-something. He's probably or 80, yeah, something like that.
Starting point is 00:07:15 He was probably around that. But, yeah, everyone's dead. That's the rule. Everyone's dead. So here's the other thing. So that was, I just wanted to share that. Then I get this email, and this email is amazing. It's from Scott Fletcher who rarely emails us.
Starting point is 00:07:29 You guys hear him every morning when he does, you know. The morning stream. That guy, Scott Fletcher, right? One of our favorite human beings on this planet. Without a doubt. The golden voice of podcasting. The tall guy with a small fry. I got no other names for him.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Yeah, well, maybe. Maybe. Might have been a bridge too far. Maybe. But his wife, Christine, listens. is the show. We love her. They're amazing human beings. We love them. Right?
Starting point is 00:07:57 Anyway, I get this email from Fletcher who says, hey, we got me and my wife have recommendals for you. And I went, really, and they sent it in the form of audio, which is also exciting. So I'm going to play this, and you guys can hear it. So this was sent on the fourth, Phoebe Strauss birthday, the fourth. And here's what they had to say.
Starting point is 00:08:16 And now Fletcher's do Recommendals with my wife, Christine. What's your clip? I watched a movie last weekend that was big when we were kids, and I really hope that everybody loved it as much as I did and that somebody will make a remake of it. Here's my clip. Oh, man, I love that one. What is the name of that one? It was so great. Do you remember it? Do you remember, like going to the theater and Watching it there.
Starting point is 00:08:51 I might have been eight or 15. Maybe. I can't remember exactly when it came out. That was the age of blockbusters when the lines were really long and stuff. So what was the name of that movie? It had that actor in it that we really liked. And then he went on to make more movies that we loved. Oh, he was in that movie with like the Tommy LaSorda.
Starting point is 00:09:08 But he was in that movie with the soccer ball and that woman. He made several movies with that woman that weird. Oh, right. Those rom-coms, right. That lady whose breath probably smells like milk. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right, right. I really.
Starting point is 00:09:20 I'm desperate for people to watch this movie and watch it so that somebody will make a remake. Right. So what's the name of that movie? Actually, I think they did make a remake of it, but not the same director. Yeah, yeah, with that one guy, Johnny Whiplash, Tommy Tutank. So that's my recommendation. I hope everybody goes out and watches it. That's awesome. So we don't need to do a recap. All you got to do is go to shit out of luck.com and look at the show notes and we'll tell you all about the movie titles that we talked about today. We don't do a recap on a podcast. We want you to go to a web, website. So just go to shit out of luck.com and you'll know what we talked about today.
Starting point is 00:09:54 This has been Fletcher's do recommendals. Wow. Wow. Okay. All right. Okay. We get it. We get it. Big old gallon of shade poured right on the fire there. We get it. I would like everyone to take note that at the end of yesterday's recommendal segment, after even we let Randy go, I went back and said, all right. So we've got blonde, which is a blechamental. We've got licorice pizza, which is on this service. I did do a recap, but we usually don't. So they absolutely. And they send that before yesterday's show.
Starting point is 00:10:26 We're actually doing it. That's a really good point. Yeah, no, look, we'll cop to a little of this. Sure. Yeah. It happens. It happens on my game-focused shows where we forget to say the name of the game we're talking about or we don't do it enough.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I totally get it. Fair play. We've gone, you know, five, six minutes into film sack and forgotten to say what the movie is that we were watching. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely we have. So, look, Fletcher's, tushay. Point taken. Yeah, point taken.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Now, the real trick is, will we improve on the process? Oh, I'm going to go, I'm going to go so overboard in the other direction. So, in case you're just joining us, the movie I watch this week is Lickrish Pizza. And, all right, so, yeah, it stars that kid who's, what's his face, his son, and the chick from home. And, by the way, in case you're just joining us, that movie is Lickrish Pizza. It's available on them. We'll still have our little tangents, but we'll make sure to say the name every two seconds. We got this.
Starting point is 00:11:24 We got this. Yes, perfect. Thank you, guys. I'd love to know which of the two of them. This feels very Scott Fletchery to me. Oh, really? No, it felt very Christine. I'd be curious, you guys.
Starting point is 00:11:36 This is a good, yeah. I'm in a vet Christine said, you know, they keep doing this thing where they recommend something, and then I don't, then they don't come back to it and tell me what the movie is. And Scott would be like, oh, well, then. we should do a recording about it. Yep, we absolutely, you know what? You're probably, you're probably right. Yeah, that's, listen, what's for breakfast, he says every day?
Starting point is 00:11:58 Yeah, let us know. I'm going to go out and get the paper. You know, she is, she's like a professional speech therapist. It's possible that this is a pet peeve of speech therapist where people don't discuss the topic or the subject of their topic often enough or something. Right, where they don't. Yeah, you're supposed to do the. Tell them what you're going to tell them, then tell them, and then tell them what you told them.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Well, I can't wait to see those guys again. I love them. I can't either. Let's do TMS Vegas this weekend. Let's just say, screw it. Let's do it this weekend. Yeah, let's do it this weekend. And everything else that we have planned.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Forget it. And everything else that we've got planned for this weekend, which is everything. Yeah, which is everything, you know, all those things. I went to the, I'm not supposed to say this out loud. Maybe I'm not supposed to talk about it. But I'm good anyway. Well, let's just put it this way. I got a sneak preview of a certain new release
Starting point is 00:12:52 that happened on Tuesday and nobody else was supposed to be able to see this new release until Friday but I was able to get in to see the new release that happened Tuesday I saw the new release last night and let me just say this content
Starting point is 00:13:15 were you on Needles and Pins. I was on pins and needles. And the content itself is adorable and very cute for all audiences done there. I've been vague enough. Oh, wow. Okay. Now I'm totally confused because I was thinking you were talking about a hellraiser and you definitely weren't if it's... No, I didn't get to see that. I got to see the baby. That's what I said. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Yeah, the release, the new release from Tuesday. The new release. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Now I see what you're talking about. Yeah, she's ridiculously pretty. The new project that just dropped on Tuesday. Babies are supposed to be gobliny and ugly. I don't know what happened here. She's adorable. She's really cute. Of course she is.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Anyway, enough of my gushin. Let's move on to Brian and his unpackaging. I realize that's our register of complaint music, but we're using it here. Well, you could register a complaint music. complain about McDonald's running out of these things so fast. Because I basically had to go to three, well, not go to. I'm not dumb enough to actually drive to a bunch of different McDonald's to... Who would do that?
Starting point is 00:14:26 Who would stupid enough to drive around a look? I mean, come on. Yeah, I used the app, and I had to go, I'd like keep expanding the circle out to find a McDonald's that had this one, so I had to drive 20 minutes to get this. And I did. I have a, in my hand, the cabbage, the cactus plant, makes just as much sense, right? Flea Market, toy. that comes in an adult happy meal.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Yeah. And this is like a streetware company of some sort. I'm sure there's a whole, there's a whole throng of people who know the name and I already like it or whatever. We get it. Just not me and Brian. We don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:00 We don't get it because we're old and our fashion senses. Oh, is that on sale at Coles? Excellent. I'll take it. Nice, nice, nice. No, so let me, from my side real quick, the goal was we're both going to unveil our toys today. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:13 And so Brian did find a location. I tried using the app, found two that had it, but didn't use the app to order it. I just thought that meant, oh, I can go get it. Yeah. That was a mistake. Five McDonald's later, nobody has it. Nobody has it. She is.
Starting point is 00:15:30 So last night, we tried one last time. I sent Brian a text while I was in the drive up. It was a big long line. Get up there. The girl goes, we don't actually get ours until tomorrow at 11. Like, my show is over by 11. And we don't have another one until Monday. It does me no good.
Starting point is 00:15:44 It does me zero good. So I was poop out of luck. I did get a sandwich, so it was nice. Brian was lucky. He got it. So today we're going to unveil which four-eyed thing. Even my wife. So she hadn't heard the show, but my wife yesterday goes, have you seen the toys in that?
Starting point is 00:15:58 And I said, yeah, Brian and I've been talking about the show. And she goes, they have four eyes for like no reason, she says. She's right. It's true. I mean, yeah, you can say, oh, well, it's based on the whole cactus plant flea market design, which is four eyes on a smiley face but that doesn't even make sense so the four options are grimace
Starting point is 00:16:19 hamburgler birdie which was introduced in our lifetime in the 80s and then the actual cactus plant dude wearing a trucker cap do we have any memory of what birdies what was birdie's role was she like the chicken sandwich she was introduced with the actual
Starting point is 00:16:37 happy meal in the 80s okay I know the nugget guys came and we also got the nugget guys in the the 80s too yeah that were the fry guys before that because we had the fry guys fry guys i think we're 70s they're pretty old okay okay um because i got some old i got a picture of them when they were old and really raggedy and terrible looking uh hamburgler was there mary mccheese was there whatever grimace is was there yeah uh i don't know about the the old guy the professor guy that everyone's informed me about on twitter there's an old dude
Starting point is 00:17:07 he's not wearing any he's not a costume he's just a dude oh really yeah i don't remember that guy at all. I don't either. He's, to me, he's a mystery. He might be a late 90s guy or... Could be a 90s edition, yeah. All right. Anyway. All right, here we go. Let's do it. The unveiling, and I'll be honest, this bag is not super
Starting point is 00:17:26 opaque, so I can kind of tell which one of these I've got. What's the color? What's the color leaking out of there? Well, don't tell me yet. Let me guess. Let me guess. Let's go with I'm trying to think what my luck would be. My luck would be like birdie, because who cares about freaking birdie? Right, of all the four of them,
Starting point is 00:17:47 that would be the least desirable. No, I'm happy to report that, indeed, I got the weird Mr. Bill looking. Oh, no way. Yeah. Look at that. It's the actual weird dude. Okay, so he is the, he's the,
Starting point is 00:18:02 like it took all of two minutes to design. He's the cactus street, whatever thing. Cactus flea market party. This doesn't feel like a party. It's a flea market. All right. So does he move at all? No articulation?
Starting point is 00:18:18 No, there's zero points of articulation. Not even his neck. Not even his neck. He doesn't turn his head. He is, for all intents and purposes, a block of plastic. Yeah. With some, yeah. Is that a mega hat with the big M on it?
Starting point is 00:18:34 Is that that it? It is. Yeah. Make America greasy again. Yeah. Very greasy. That's awesome. I'm glad you got that one because who cares about the stuff we already know.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Who cares about the other ones? Like if, you know, this is the one that, oh, yeah, let's actually take a look. I wonder if these are on eBay. Actually, yeah. Still in bag, cactus plant. Yeah, was it? Cactus plant, flea market. Is he have a name?
Starting point is 00:19:05 I don't know. All right. Let's see. McDonald's, can't just plant flea market. I've never heard of this. Let's see. Individual toys look like they're 2999.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Geez. That's a lot more than I thought you were going to say. That's just the regular ones? That's just the regular ones. A full set, $99 bucks. Okay. So $30 each or $99 for all. four. This is why you can't get them, Scott, because
Starting point is 00:19:39 somebody is saying, oh, I must get all of these. Yeah, no, I think you're right. There's people, it's like during the, every time they did the monopoly thing, people just run around and get all the stuff. It drove me crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, grimaces are going anywhere from 1799 to 59 on a buy it now. Oh my gosh. You know what those probably cost to make like 14 cents in China. I'm telling you. Right, right, exactly. What a joke.
Starting point is 00:20:08 I don't think I'd want one that bad. No. No, I'm not even sure I want this one. Are you, uh, are you, uh, you, he'll sit here for a while. He'll actually go over here somewhere on the, uh, the wall behind me. If they start going for like a hundred each, would you put him up and sell? Oh, yes. If this, if I see it seriously, you know, unbagged, if I see this thing selling for 50 bucks,
Starting point is 00:20:32 I'll, I'll sell it. I'd do it for 50. Yeah. Yeah. In a heartbeat. I'd do it for, you do it for whatever is, you know, there's not, if it went for 10, it's not convenient because you got to, it's going to cost you that to ship it. Exactly. Yes. Right. Oh, doing and having to do fucking auctions on eBay.
Starting point is 00:20:50 It's not like, people say, oh, you would just put all that stuff on eBay. Right. I hate when they say that. You know, which is you just put that stuff on eBay. I'll make a fortune. Yeah. Do you know what you need like a. And I have to devote a year of my life to doing it. Yeah. Or a full-time employee that just does nothing but sort. your eBay business. Forget it. Exactly. Exactly. It ain't that easy. Not going to happen, man. Well, anyway, what an eventful pre-show or early show here. It really was. What the excitement. I don't know how we're
Starting point is 00:21:18 going to follow that with books. Well, it's palpable. And we're going to see if Red Fragel can follow it up with some energy as well. Good luck. Good luck, Red Fragel following that. Yeah, good luck. We got four-eyed Mr. Bill. What do you got? All right, here. Let's play this right here. That music means it's time for us to read a book. Yes, it's read this with Amy. Amy, welcome back to the show. Good morning, friends.
Starting point is 00:21:47 How are you? How are you? Good. How are you? I'm going to try and follow that hideous looking thing that looks like it came off of nailed it. Yeah. It does. It looks like a nailed it attempt to make a sports bobblehead or something.
Starting point is 00:22:05 I mean, what's nailed it? Tell me, I need to know who nailed it is. Oh, Nailed it is a Netflix game show hosted by Nicole Byers, where amateur bakers, you know, who aren't nearly good enough to be on the Great British Bake Off, try and replicate a fancy schmancy cake or cupcake or some sort of pastry design. And the results are usually hilariously awry. Oh, interesting, dude. It's like, here, make this cake with fondant that it resembles Ronald Reagan or something like that. So this isn't the whole, is it cake thing or any of that, right? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:22:49 No, this is a... Oh, no, this is, yeah. I'm being told my mic is hot. You are a little hot. It's a little crusty. I turn you down on this end, but you're a little bit on the... You're capping on the high end. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:00 This is what they say in the biz. Is that a bit better? Say something for me. Hello. It's quiet. but it's still capping. Still capping. It's like you sound a little bit like you're right up here like this.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Oh, there, okay. I'll just sit further back. I'll just sit further back. Is that a little bit better? That's much better. Yeah, that's right. Clipping is the word we're looking for. Yeah, what are we thinking here?
Starting point is 00:23:25 All right. Well, it's great to have you here. We have Amy on to talk about reading in books, and she's made some fine recommendations before, but I'm sure today will blow our mind. So Amy, Amy, what to bring? Oh, yes. So it's October.
Starting point is 00:23:36 So it's fun, spooky time. So this is one of my favoriteest books. It's not scary, but it has a little spookiness to it. So go ahead. Let's play the spooky clip. Strike me silly, said Mr. Owens, if that isn't a baby. Of course it's a baby, said his wife. And the question is, what is to be done with it?
Starting point is 00:24:02 I dare say that is a question. Mistress Owens, said her husband, and yet it is not our question, for this here baby is unquestionably alive, and as such is nothing to do with us and is no part of our world. Look at him smile, said Mrs. Owens. He has the sweetest of smiles, and with one insubstantial hand she stroked the child's sparse blonde hair. The little boy giggled with delight, a rattling. Someone at the main gate of the graveyard. was pulling and shaking it, rattling the old gates and the heavy padlock and the chain that held them.
Starting point is 00:24:41 "'Come on, Mistress Owens, leave it be, there's a dear,' said Mr. Owens, when he saw a ghost, and his mouth dropped open, and he found himself unable to think of anything to say. "'You might think, and if you did, you would be right, that Mr. Owens should not have taken on so at seeing a ghost, given that Mr. and Mrs. Owens were themselves dead, and had been for a few hundred years now, and given that the entirety of their social life, or very nearly, was spent with those who were also dead. But there was a difference between the folk of the graveyard and this. A raw, flickering, startling shape, the grey colour of television static, or panic and naked emotion which flooded the Owens' is as if it was their own. Three figures, too large, one smaller,
Starting point is 00:25:27 but only one of them was in focus, was more than an outline or a shimmer, and the figure said, my baby he is trying to harm my baby a clattering the man outside was hauling a heavy metal garbage can across the alley to the high brick wall that ran around that part of the graveyard protect my son said the ghost oh so we got neil gaming obviously doing a deal yeah baby i just keep saying the word baby baby he's got he's really good at that northern um rural english accent when he needs to pull that out where that's that whole like we don't know where where we found him, that whole, like, thing. I love that so much.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Can you say that again? Never again. Never again. You all had your one shot. That's all you're ever going to get. It'll be able to clip that. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, so this is a bunch of people in the chat have spotted it, including Carter.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Yes, it is the graveyard book. This is one of my favorite, favorite books. It's got great rereadability. it's an easy read so you can easily give it to anyone probably I would say maybe 10 or 11 up can read this and it's just really fun it's a little boy who gets
Starting point is 00:26:45 raised in a graveyard by the ghosts in the graveyard and it's a really fun cool book and it's it's got lots of sort of mystery and intrigue around it like why is this, why is this man, this man, Jack chasing him into the graveyard? Why is he chasing a baby, you know, and, and all of that. But then it's also just watching this kid grow up in a graveyard and, and all the, all of that entails.
Starting point is 00:27:19 So it's awesome. It's amazing. Yeah, there are two versions of the audio book that I found on Audible. One of them is only narrated. by Neil Gaiman, which I myself, that's the version that I have and I love it. And then there's another one that was released about six years later that has several different narrators, including Neil Gaiman, but in the sample they gave, Neil did not read any of the sample. And so I was like, well, I can't be doing that because I can't abide that.
Starting point is 00:27:59 Neil Gaiman is lovely and sounds amazing. So how would it be? This is the nice. So you got guys like Stephen King obviously can write huge storied career. Nothing wrong with Stephen King. But then he reads his own books and you're like, oh my gosh, turn that off. It's horrible. I can't hear him talk.
Starting point is 00:28:16 He has a horrible voice to match his content. Whereas Neil Gaiman, brilliant author and then this amazing silky British voice that you can narrate anything. What a great two for one you get there with him. Oh, yeah. I mean, I could easily fall asleep at night to Neil Gaiman reading me the phone book. You know, I just, I mean, can you imagine Stephen King reading the phone book, though? What a nightmare. Oh, God. No, that would be, that would be what would put me to sleep every night. We got Peterson. We're in the peas now. Peterson. Alvin.
Starting point is 00:28:52 I couldn't do it. I would have to slit something. Anyway. Yeah. Continue. Sorry. So, so this is, did he do, he hasn't done much of this, right? This kind of book feels like a weird one-off to me. It's almost like his, his, neverware kind of. Well, yeah. So there's this one, there's neverware. There are several, you know, I mean, Coraline is kind of in the same thing, right? Where it's, it's kind of creepy. But, you know, he does this thing where he talks about, you know, people think children's literature should be all, you know, sunshine. and rainbows. And he's like, no, the books I grew up with were incredibly traumatic and scary. And so he, you know, he kind of returns to that a little bit. And he says this book in particular was sort of inspired by time spent in his youth where he used to go and just, you know, sort of ride his bike and stuff through graveyards. And then his son actually did the same thing.
Starting point is 00:29:52 He was on his little, you know, his little tricycle. And they would just ride on the paths through the graveyard and it's actually a lovely safe place to be in a graveyard, you know, it's nice, it's quiet. Oh, yeah. Especially if we've ever been to any of the graveyards in the UK because, I mean, the architecture and some of the, some of the artistry on the headstones and the tombs and things is just gorgeous. I could spend hours in there.
Starting point is 00:30:21 Tina's an absolute, like, you know, when we go somewhere traveling, she likes to see if there's a cool old graveyard nearby. And we went to Boston, of course, there's Poets Row where you see all of the famous writers' headstones and things like that. It's just so cool, such a cool, a cool time. Yeah, we get this book for Tristan, but both T&I and I read it as well and loved it. Oh, yeah. We didn't do the audio, although now the audio just sounds like it'd be so much fun.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Yeah. Oh, it's great. Chuck and I specifically got it when we were driving down to Florida. We had about an eight-hour drive, and it was like, perfect, we'll listen to the graveyard book. And, you know, so we're driving, it's night, and it's pouring down rain, and we're listening to Neil Gaiman read us the graveyard book. It was great. It was really fun. Nice and relaxing.
Starting point is 00:31:09 It looks like it's on sale right now on Amazon for a buck 99. So, like, the cheapest. Really? That's cheap you get it. Yeah, normally $8.99, but on sale now for a buck 99. I assume that's the, that's the Kindle version, right? That's the Kindle version. Yeah, I don't know if it's the only.
Starting point is 00:31:23 only neal or if it's the um if it's the let's see here if it's the one with multiple narrators uh it is the one with oh geez even the paperback's only nine bucks that's a real good deal um i didn't know i can't tell you how much it is on audible because the voices yeah yeah i can't i can't tell you how much it is on audible because i have audible and so it just says one credit you know so it's doesn't tell me how much it costs. It's worth one space credit. Congratulations. By the way, it looks like the forwards from Margaret Atwood, does she get all dystopic
Starting point is 00:32:02 and go, ah, the plight of the woman and all that? I wonder how that goes. Oh, you know, she like everybody else talks about how wonderful and charming Neil Gaiman is and how great his writing is and all of that. He's an international treasure, really. Oh, for sure, for sure. So I've been waiting for this one. I'm like, I can't do the graveyard, but I have to save it for October.
Starting point is 00:32:25 So now it's October. You've done it. You've finally spilled the beans. Congratulations. Yes. Well, there you have it, everybody. Very exciting. I'm going to, I'm going to pick this up on my Kindle for two bucks.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Are you kidding? It's a stupid, stupid cheap. It's a good read. It's a fun story. It's super, super quick, and it's very engaging story. And it's, it's wonderful. It's a great little escape. It's a lovely little fictional escape.
Starting point is 00:32:50 It's a weird that I want. that new, I want that new Kindle they announced that let you, you can kind of use it as a drawing tablet. Yeah. Yeah. What's it called? The Oasis or something? I forgot the name. I love my paper white.
Starting point is 00:33:03 I've had it forever and it still works and it's, it's great. Yeah. When they're good, those candles are some of the coolest devices. They're awesome. Once in a while you get one. And I love having the whisper sink where I can listen to the audio sometime and like, and then it knows where I was. Yeah. And like, so it'll.
Starting point is 00:33:21 catch my, it'll catch my regular reading Kindle up to where it read me in the audio book. I love that. Yeah, that syncing stuff is, I don't even know how they do it, but it's super rad. Love it. Yeah. It's very cool. Have you guys, have either of you guys read? I'm going to start bugging y'all about this, mainly Brian, because I know Scott, your answer is going to be no. But Brian, did you, did you pick up Thief of Time? Did you read it? Oh, no, no, no. I picked it up, but I haven't read it. But I did buy it. Cool. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:51 Well, I'm just going to start asking y'all because I'm excited. I'm always excited to get new people into, especially anything, Discworld. And, you know, I know you guys have read Neil Gaiman. So, but, like, I'm always really excited when I introduce new people into that new world. I'm glad you did it because a lot of people would never know, like, this is book, what is it, book 25 or 6 or something. It's like some, but in this Discworld series, it's some huge number. It's like way down the line.
Starting point is 00:34:20 How would anyone ever know to jump to 26 or whatever it is without you? Right. Yeah. That's true. We owe you a great debt of gratitude. Aw. Yeah. The kingdom owes you a great debt, as I say on House of the Dragon.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Excellent. Excellent is right. Well, it's always good having you on. Amy, I hope the rest of your Halloween month is full of thrills and chills. and uh and that we'll get to do this again next week when you'll bring yet another book to us how's that i will i will indeed thanks guys bye now thanks a little crunchy microphone it's fine though yeah yeah it's fine once in a while we have how i think over the course of the segment she she was sitting away she just got right back close and then on it again yeah she's right up on it
Starting point is 00:35:10 and it's okay we're okay with it totally fine we know complaints here all right about this stuff too. That is absolutely true. All right, we do have some time for news, and I'm going to go ahead and kick it off with this. I don't watch the news. Well, you should watch the news because it's brought to you by. Coverville, where today we're going to be focusing on Motley Crew. Why? Well, because inexperienced film buff Tommy Lee is celebrating his 60th birthday this week, and so it's time to like that. That just isn't insane to me that he's going to be 60. I can't even deal with it. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:46 So covers of things like Kickstart My Heart, Dr. Feel Good, shout at the devil, too young to fall in love. Girls, girls, girls. Of course, all that stuff. And more today at 1 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.tv.
Starting point is 00:36:01 You're going to have a smoking in the boys' room. Is that in there? It's not, only because that's a Brownsville Station song that they covered. I've played their cover of it on the show before. Once again, Scott doesn't understand how music works. Someone did a cover of a thing. I would never knew that. Never. Yeah, they did such a great version of that song that it became, you know, forever associated with
Starting point is 00:36:23 them, but they're not the first to do it. Well, I don't know. That's quite an accomplishment. It's a much older, like 60s era song. Every time somebody does, you know, something like that, like the Tainted Love cover and, yeah, or whatever. And that's another one I didn't know until Brian told me. They become such the de facto version of that song. They're iconic. Yeah. And, you know, when you're somebody like Joe Cocker and you do that, get by with a little help for my friends, or just a little help for my friends, that then becomes a new keyframe and people start covering that version as opposed to covering the original Beatles version, for example. That's insane. And I'm going to, you're always the guy I'll go to, you know, because you know this stuff. Sure, sure, sure.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Did you know, oh, you know what? Here's, I found this link. So, you know, I was telling the other day that apparently the concerts are very bad right now. Vince Neal is like incoherent. People want their money back. Like it's, Motley Crew Concert's not a good time. Yeah, he's not looking healthy that guy.
Starting point is 00:37:25 So here's what he's, I want to play what he sounds like a little bit. Okay. So here you go. Whoops, I'm going to turn this up. Please take your seat. All right. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:37:37 All right. Well, Dr. feel good. Sing. Oh, yeah. It's not actually singing? Hold on. There's just a lot of hair, man.
Starting point is 00:37:57 It's just a lot of hair. It sounds like somebody when they superimpose what it looks like the lip reading, bad lip reading. Yeah, it does. He's just doing scat up there. That's amazing. Oh, Vince Neal, what happened, man? Well, time, drugs. Time, drugs, and alcohol, probably.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Hard living. A lot of hard living. All right, look at this here. There's a new study just came to light. This is an exciting one. Okay. And I don't think it's true at all because you're a shining example of the opposite of this, but it says, according to this study,
Starting point is 00:38:37 dudes only play extreme metal to impress other dudes according to a study. all right so extreme metal i don't i just feel like brian doesn't do this but as my go-to music guide well no this is not saying that every dude plays extreme metal to impress other dudes it's dudes who play extreme metal only do it to impress other dudes oh see okay that's interesting i love that this is from a site metal injection dot net oh my god like they like to cover the metal stories you know you got so yeah wow research shows that heterosexual men who learn to play extreme metal guitar are mostly motivated to do so in order to impress other heterosexual men. This is a tweet sent out by the quite interesting Twitter page.
Starting point is 00:39:21 This, of course, sparked tons of discussion ranging from the unexpected criticism of, no, I don't shut up, to people poking fun at the idea, but most importantly, where the hell did this idea come from? Well, it turns out there's a study called Extreme Metal Guitar Skill, a case for male-to-male status-seeking, mate attraction, or by-product. That's a question. they're asking. Yeah, yeah, that's the name of the study itself.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Yeah, authored by Tara Deleis, Deleuze, something? Delece. Delece. I think you're right. Deleche. Yeah, there you go. What would you like in a coffee? I'll get this next one too.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Okay, here we go. She's in Oakland University, and then it's working with Farid Pazoohi. Yeah, I think so. I think that's it. Of the University of British Columbia. That was one of my favorite NES games, by the way, was Freed Pazooey. They got that bird sidekick and... Yeah, Fri Bizzoui.
Starting point is 00:40:18 What a good time. It inspired a whole generation of platformers. It really did. Totally did, yeah. Anna Salzla, Sala. Probably Sala. Zala. I think it's just Zala.
Starting point is 00:40:29 It's one of those Eastern European names where the S and the Z are differentiated from as just a standard S sound. Oh, there you go. Oakland University also. She's Hungarian. It could be Shala. Oh, yeah. Yeah, see, the Hungarian connection. Czechoslovakian Zala.
Starting point is 00:40:44 Nicholas Copernicus of the University of Torren and Todd K. Shackleford. I can say his name. Yeah. From Oakland University. Anyway, according to the study, music is believed to have two functions. As a vehicle for sexual selection? Hmm. Or because the human brain is so complex, we can actually make music.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Through the authors, or as, not or. I only play. I write the songs by Barry Manilow to select which sexual partners won't have sex with me. That's right. That's how you eliminate those who don't want to be there. That's exactly right, yes. Through, uh, see, though there are, author argues, uh, that because extreme metal is so
Starting point is 00:41:20 heavy male leaning, and by the way, I'm not quite sure what he means is extreme. Probably screamo type stuff, probably. I don't know. Yeah, extreme metal. I think like, uh, speed metal thrash, Metallica, Megadeth, anthrax, that sort of thing. I wonder for those guys if Metallica's too
Starting point is 00:41:36 melodic. I remember there's a lot of complaining when, um, uh, what's their names? down with the sickness took off. Disturbed. Yeah, they took off, got real big, and I really liked them, still do. And people were like, they're not real metal. And I'd say, why? And they'd say, there's too much melody in their music.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Yeah, I know, which is the worst argument ever. It's like, no, that's actually kind of makes them listenable. Yeah, that's why I like five-finger death punch. It's why I like, you know, these kinds of bands, because they're actually making music, you know. So Darth Swifty says, Cradle of Filth. Dimu Borgier or Borgier, these are extreme metal? Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:16 They're not just talking about Gary Sharon's band, right? Extreme metal? No, probably just not extreme. Yeah, just not extreme. The material is cars made of. No, they're not talking about that. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Says, however, oh no, sorry. Okay. Okay, authors argue the extreme metal is heavily male-leaning, quote, it is unlikely that extreme metal musicians are primarily trying to increase
Starting point is 00:42:38 their mating success through their music, unquote. Probably not. Probably not. Says, however, musicians in this... It treats their mating success. Oh, my God. It's just so clinical. Right?
Starting point is 00:42:49 You know, everyone says sex, drugs, and rock and roll, but we say, coitus... Amphetamines. And this, whatever we said, mating possibilities. It says, this raises the question... Oh, no, no. Wait. However, musicians in this genre heavily invests their time in building technical skills,
Starting point is 00:43:08 i.e. dexterity, coordination, timing, which raises the question on the purpose behind this costly investment. It could be that men engage in this genre, mainly for status-seeking purposes, to intimidate other males with their technical skills and speed and thus gain social status. I would argue that technical skills like dexterity, coordination, and timing are probably very useful in mating. I mean, look, if I had a little more dexterity in timing, sure. Lord knows how many kids I'd have.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Yeah, right. Cardi, you like that? You like that? She's in the chat today, unfortunately. She just, she just disconnects. Okay, I'm done listening to this episode. Thanks, Dad. You can hardly blame her.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Anyway, that's an interesting study. If you want to read it, it's all right. I'm really good with my fingers. That's right. I'm really dexterous, dexterous. Dexterous. I just did that. By the way, what Brian just did and what I just did,
Starting point is 00:44:08 that was better than what we heard from Vince Neil a minute ago. Yeah, I kind of was. Yeah. Sorry, it ends. Feel bad. The rest of them seem fine. Mick Mars looks like he's about to die, but he's there. It's doing what he's got to do.
Starting point is 00:44:20 Carter said, I wish I could express in chat how much I just rolled my, how hard I rolled my eyes just now. Don't worry. She'll tell me all about it later. She's leaving soon. She's out of here in like, oh, for Iceland, right? 20 days, Iceland, yeah, for two months. To the land of Bjork. Yep, all Bjork all the time.
Starting point is 00:44:39 She's got all these cool. We got some listener who hooked her up with a bunch of cool meetings. I'm so excited for her. Just me talking about this makes her nervous. Is Bjork going to be at those meetings? Because I would assume so. I think she's moderating everything. There's everything there.
Starting point is 00:44:52 She'll sit down and the guy will go. The guy will go, so I hear you're interested in working in the games industry. And Bjork will turn to her and go, I hear you want to join the games industry. check me out in the Northman she'll say as she leaves anyway here's a new one here's a here's a story kind of like my Adam Sandler you're not wrong
Starting point is 00:45:21 yeah it's a little Adam Sandler it's okay though I watched that Chris Farley documentary a couple days ago just for fun I didn't do it as a record up his brother the big focus on his brother yeah his brother does a bunch of stand up in it and then later you hear from like all the you know Mike Myers
Starting point is 00:45:39 and everybody who worked with him it's it's quite good i recommend it but uh it is really good yeah it was sad but also i always like hearing adam sandler just talk like a normal guy something about that i don't know something about it makes me feel good can't explain it yeah i mean as much as he can yeah as much as he's possible the the brooklyn thing in there but yeah he can't help it was a really good doc but it made me really sad i felt bad the guy was brilliant oh my gosh he really was yeah yeah just too much drugs too much alcohols up it.
Starting point is 00:46:11 So that's such a problem. And only 33. That just seems insane to me. Can you imagine the continuation, the movies that we would have had with him in Spade if things had if he had a cleaner
Starting point is 00:46:22 lifestyle? Yeah. And I wonder if he'd still, like, he'd be in it, he'd be what, close to 60 now. Mm-hmm. He'd still be doing the physical comedy, I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:46:31 I hope so. That's what you hope. He was a big fella. Who knows how things would have gone. Anyway, new evidence suggests the presence of an underground lake on Mars. Oh gosh. Where's Bobby?
Starting point is 00:46:40 Bobby, check this out, buddy. Wow, no kidding. All the science correspondents, listen up. There may be a lake buried beneath the ice on the south pole of Mars. This is according to another new study. Scientists found hints of the lake existing back in 2018, but new evidence further supports their hypothesis. Wow. The lake could be as large as 18 miles across and likely remains liquid due to geothermal heating.
Starting point is 00:47:03 This according to the Times, or Time, rather, Time magazine. Study findings were published in the Journal of Nature, Asthmael. astronomy. Water has been found on Mars before, but largely in the form of ice. So a liquid water source is a major revelation. They figured this out by analyzing 2018 findings from the European Space Agency's Mars Express spacecraft radar device. That's a mouthful. Let's see. In 2018, radar surroundings, or soundings conducted in the area of Mars known as the Ultima scopuli. I don't like that name. Ultima scopula. I don't like it.
Starting point is 00:47:38 suggested a large area of water under the ice, but these results were not enough to confirm the presence of the lake as a number of other factors could be contributing to the false readings. Anyway, based on computer modeling, they think they figured it out. There's a big old lake in there.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Get ready to get your vacation home on. I'm just wondering if, you know, whatever, whichever discovery or rover, whatever the vehicle that we put on Mars, which I guess is a rover, if it starts digging and then it finally just releases this monster that somebody, finally said, oh, I think we can finally trap this thing in the lake under the surface.
Starting point is 00:48:14 Yeah, I don't know. As long as nobody digs a hole to release this thing will be fine, and then all of a sudden this thing's like, oh, man, it's too bad that they didn't figure out on the Martian how to tap that, and then he could have watered his potato potatoes. Yeah, shit potatoes didn't need him to pee on him or whatever he did to get wet. Oh, no, exactly. Yeah, urinate. Oh, that's so cool, man.
Starting point is 00:48:33 I just. It is cool, right? Yeah. The concept is awesome. Water on, like a lake on Mars, just so damn cool. I want to find out under there, because there's a lake and therefore possibly other life-giving sources of things, that there are never people living on Mars, they're living in Mars, you know. Get your ass in Mars. Yeah, get your ass in Mars.
Starting point is 00:48:54 I want to know, I want to know if they're all like walking around like Chud in there, like what's going on. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like the Chud. The Chud. It's right there, the U, underground, right there, Chud. Yeah, but unfortunately, the sea means cannibalistic.
Starting point is 00:49:06 So we're screwed. Yeah. Well, they're going to try and eat our rover. That's right. Check it out, y'all. It's time for a break. We're going to do one of those. And when we come back, my sister Wendy will be here.
Starting point is 00:49:16 We got a question, an email from a listener. So that'll be fun. But it'll be after this break. So, Brian, play the break. Sure. Well, this band called The Standstills are releasing a brand new album due November 4th. Big thanks to MNRK Music Group and The Syndicate. They're going to be starting off a Canadian arena tour with three-day
Starting point is 00:49:36 Grace also in Vancouver on November 8th so it gets your chance to see them. They're releasing a first single from this thing and wait till you hear who's joining them on this song. So the standstills and the Eagles of Death Metal
Starting point is 00:49:52 who only are doing this to impress other dudes. Standstills and Eagles of Death Metal with a song Mother Lode. So many miles from home I hit the bottle in the bottle with me I'm feeling fine I want you to know I'm looking for someone to set my life
Starting point is 00:50:22 on fire And I'm putting all my bets in you How could I lose Stone on the mother load? You move like, you move like heaven. Stone on the mother load. You move like, you'll move like heaven. I'd be a northern rain.
Starting point is 00:51:06 I'm eye on you Are you high on me I'm feeling fine I need you to know I'm looking for someone To set my life On fire And I'm putting all my bets on you
Starting point is 00:51:26 How could I lose Stone on the mother Lord You know like You move like heaven Stone of Mother Lord You move like heaven Stone I'm a mother who'd like, you know, you're a love like, you know, you'll love like, you know, like.
Starting point is 00:52:36 The missile like heaven. Like heaven. from where it isn't or where it isn't from where it is to a position where it isn't and arriving at a position where it wasn't it now is oh yeah say one word about this hat and I'm out of here this is the morning stream and we've returned I'm pretty sure i already forgot who that was could you remind me i'll remind you because it was such a long time ago yeah the standstill's a brand new song called mother load featuring the eagles of death metal check out their brand new album called shockwave which comes out in about a month
Starting point is 00:53:50 november 4th uh anything else going on november 4th i can't think of anything no check it out the standstills and mother load nothing else happened that day or no i will be what is that week what's going on the 4th it's just a friday i'm thinking like election day which will be on the first is that right oh right we got midterms man everybody get out there is the yeah are the uh the the commercials just in full swing where you're at oh yeah big time watch local tv though do you yeah i don't but i still get the texts and the they show up in web stuff all the time local stuff i ended up with um so there's a big fight here and they're kind of neck and neck right now between senator current sitting senator mike lee which nobody likes we all hate
Starting point is 00:54:34 him. He sucks. The reason he stays most of the time is because people just vote Republican and they don't pay any attention and don't actually care. They just vote ticket. But Mike Lee is a is a literal piece of shit. And he's, you know, Mitt Romney's fine, but Mike Lee needs to freaking go. So this guy, Evan McMullen is running, who is a former Republican, now independent. He ran for president in 20.
Starting point is 00:55:04 2016. Wait, 2016? Yeah. I think that's what, I think that's right. To challenge Trump because he was super upset about that. Of course, nothing ever came of it. But he's got a real chance to beat Mike Lee and become a new senator. And I'm all for it. I'll take McMullen any day. X-CIA, cool dude, total family guy, nice guy from all accounts. Seems like he actually gives a shit. And send Mike Lee packing, dude. He sucks. National disgrace, Mike Lee, leave. All right. Nice, nice. Hey, if I disappear off screen anytime during Wendy's segment, don't worry, I've got audio on and I'm just stepping out of frame to fix a move basically something from a 3D printer that has to get done this morning. Oh, did something get tangley? It's not broken. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:55:56 I have an order that has to go out today. And if I don't move it from the printer to the washer to the cure, Yeah. So it'll just be like a minute gone out of frame. Oh, you're all good. No worries. Hey, Wendy's here. How do I know?
Starting point is 00:56:14 Because she, oh, she updated her, your avatar, Wendy, in, uh. Oh, I did. Discord. Yeah, that's cool. Oh, look at that. Is that the salt flats? I don't know what that is. No, that's Peter on a frozen lake in Sweden.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Oh, cool. Oh, that's cool. Borka, borka. It's like salt flats, though. Yeah, it's a little salt flattie. Hey, do you, you're, I don't know if you're following any midter. Fermy things, but we might get rid of Mike Lee out here. We're pretty excited.
Starting point is 00:56:38 You know, for the love of all that's holy, could you do that? Yeah. Geez, that dude. That dude sucks. No one even, even people who like him, even people who vote for him don't like him. But people are so stupid up and down the ticket that they don't care. But he's the worst. He's the worst.
Starting point is 00:56:53 You know, his dad was Rex Lee, and there's a little halo effect because people loved that guy. He was real nice. They had a 5K run for him. like you know he was he was kind of the old school version of a conservative and but like there was a little love there and i just run out right can we be done now yeah rex e lee was that the guy i think that's him uh let's see he was a u.s solicitor general from 81 to 85 yeah i remember this whole thing uh argued 59 cases before the u.s supreme court he was kind of a big deal mike lee strikes me as a dude who was like hey dad what what do you do for i want to
Starting point is 00:57:34 do what you're doing like if just one of those guys. It's just an ass. Yep. I freaking hate him. So we're done right. Please come on. And yeah, can we yes. Let's do it. We'll do it. I think he's got a chance that right now they're neck and neck and Mike Lee is like on fire with the negative ads for against
Starting point is 00:57:50 McMullen, but I think McMullen's going to win. And if we had an independent, elected independent freaking senator in Utah, that's crazy talk. It's crazy. Amazing. But it tells you how bad. Like the guy running for governor here for the Republicans.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Oh my gosh, you guys, I feel like I should do an intervention. He straight up is saying that the schools need, you know, all sorts of change because furries have litter boxes in all the schools. Oh, he believes that thing. Do you know what a fat lie that is?
Starting point is 00:58:24 I hate that one. This is a grown man with a medical degree, but he's just, he's not. Either that or he's saying stuff because he knows he's playing to this base that believes anything they've, freaking here. What happened? Dude, you know what? Go wake up here. I'm sorry to get political
Starting point is 00:58:38 everybody, but I wish I could go to the grave of Ronald Reagan. I wake him out of a stupor and and he won't have old timers anymore. You just wake him up and you pull him out of the grave. He won't be all dead. He's just in a stupor. Yeah, he's just in a stupor. You pull him Reagan out and go and go, hey Reagan, what do you think of this phrase? Pro Putin Republican. And he would just shit himself. He would just shit himself in his grave and that'd be the end of it. Anyway, whatever. Hey, Wendy, let's get into it. We're going to read an email. How are you guys doing? Okay.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Doing great. Doing great. We have, you have a new niece or a big, grandniece. I know, it's so cute, little Phoebe. I can't stop saying Phoebe Cates. I know that's not her name, but that's what I said. No, not Phoebe Cates known for her topless acting in the Streets of Rage. No, what was the game? Fast times for Rich.
Starting point is 00:59:28 You know, Streets of Rage is the famous movie. Streets of Rage is the comic for the video game where. She's got topless. The old Genesis game. So sorry about that. She's, everyone else has friends, so don't feel bad.
Starting point is 00:59:40 It's all good. Everyone has their own origin for Phoebe. And all I know is she's really cute and I can't wink until I get to spend more time with her. Anyway. Congrats. Let's move to this email. Wendy, thank you.
Starting point is 00:59:52 A grand aunt, I guess you are in this case. Yeah, I'm super grand aunt. Yep, your grand aunt. It'll be no time for Abraham brings home a little one, though. You know that. Don't even say that.
Starting point is 01:00:02 He can barely like, honestly he has had a cold and I'm like all right I'm going to teach you how to handle life with a cold it's not going well no really well see men are not care for another human so no men or wusses when it comes to colds I've learned I know I am we're going to break that tradition of man cold in this house and it's not going well all right well good luck with that so Wendy's an actual therapist everybody she comes on the show on Thursdays helps people out with her problems because you know we're just nice like that and today we got an email to read from somebody called Anxious in Austin. We're not going to use their real name. And they say
Starting point is 01:00:37 this, hey, whiskey, scoge and beer. So I did the game, Wendy suggested the what would I, what would I never say at the dinner table the other night? My wife said, quote, I've saved up a ton of money and we're taking a two-week vacation because I don't save money and I hate vacations. I'm a workaholic only child who came from two workaholic parents, warp level F-O-O-Engage. I'm not sure what that means. But he wrote that. I've been recently, oh, yeah, FOO is family of origin. Oh. Oh, okay. A warp level family of origin and gauge. Yeah, like your food issues. It's like, oh, here's my few issues. Okay, wait. So this would be like, I'm, my parents are, um, uh, let's say Korean immigrants and they scraped, worked eight jobs and scraped together and built a restaurant.
Starting point is 01:01:28 And they just, you know, did everything they could. And we got to go to college. of their work, but now I'm expected to be as good as them? Is that what that means? Well, that could mean that in every single which way. And here's what I love. Fu is like it's a funnacle reference of like your family of origin and just write your family now and then your family of origin. And there's different things, of course, that arise from your family of origin.
Starting point is 01:01:51 But I like that they add a Star Trek reference to it. This is a great combo of worlds colliding. Yeah, exactly. Nerd meets things you've heard before. way. So as I've been recently diagnosed bipolar and I've gotten on meds and it's better, my manic phase was mostly rage. Oh, geez. But I get straight up euphoric while I'm working or while I'm working and I always have. I don't like vacations and I realize I've stolen many great experiences from my family because of it, but I just don't. I like traveling and active vacations,
Starting point is 01:02:23 particularly foreign countries, but my family just wants the get away from it all in a cabin for a week in the U.S. and I climbed the walls after two days. For years, I got considerable anxiety before a vacation during packing and actual traveling. I can relate to this. I feel that stuff. The disruption of routine was crippling for me and the lack of that feel good from working from working was the double whammy. I just could not enjoy it. I've even had nearly a few state incidents after being stuck in a car for more than eight hours with my family. um let's see hypercritical yelling screaming driving erratically picking fights over nothing etc i've tried being really curious about all the above in wendy's words but the recent mental health diagnosis
Starting point is 01:03:11 is tough to discern how much is the bipolar and how much of it is just i hate vacations help signed anxious in austin so yeah i relate to this little bit i always feel this way before i go on any trip of any kind even ones i'm really looking forward to i feel like the disruption and routine really messes around with my like emotional buttons and I hate it. So this may help some others out there who feel that way about that sort of thing. What do you want to do to help anxious in Austin here? Yeah. Okay. So yeah, I mean, bipolar could explain definitely some of the rage and, you know, the quickness to be destabilized emotionally, right? Like, you know, I think often we'll, Well, think of bipolar as someone, I mean, we, we always ruin things by using them colloquially.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Colocally. And it's, like, you have bipolar because you just suddenly were sad. Or, you know, like, it's, it gets thrown around quite a bit. And there's lots of versions of experiencing this. Some people can have technical bipolar with only experiencing sort of mild, mild manic symptoms. they just have to have one of those to get that designation. So it's all over the map, but
Starting point is 01:04:30 I think the rage piece it's helpful to understand in context with bipolar, so that makes some sense. But I am suspicious that the foo is actually more relevant than and this is a guess, right? I haven't met this person. Sure.
Starting point is 01:04:48 But you're, first of all, you're euphoric working. Yeah. I mean, straight up, euphoric while working. Yeah. Okay. If anyone is euphoric while doing anything, they're going to want to do it a lot more.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Define euphoric. What does, what do we mean when we say that? Like just the ultimate and like, oh my gosh, I mean, this is a blissful experience every second. Every,
Starting point is 01:05:11 yeah, firing and also as pleasure was like, yeah, flow, you're just nailing it. You know, that feeling of killing it. It's that.
Starting point is 01:05:17 And it's, you know, that's not something usually people experience all the time while doing something. But the fact that, um, A friend here is feeling it while working. So you think of what happens.
Starting point is 01:05:29 So you're going to go on vacation. You're going to stop the thing that makes you feel euphoric. And you're going to sit in a car and do drive for eight hours while people are hungry and have to stop to pee. And it's just it's not where you thrive. And so that contrast seems like a really obvious one. So the food question or the family origin question that I would be interested in and want him to get some curiosity around is what well okay how i would start this let me let me just
Starting point is 01:06:02 phrase a couple questions and see if this is helpful um because i have actually worked with the client very similar thing not the euphoric when working but just maybe feeling more control when working right yeah and what happens on vacation is nothing is in that person's control the place the sleeping, all the things that have left the control. So I start with asking questions about, hey, tell me about vacations when you were a kid, right? Yeah. And you start to go down to like, what was it actually like? So, for example, I'm a workaholic only child who came from two workaholic parents.
Starting point is 01:06:45 Yeah. My guess is vacations were rare or work-based anyway. you know, our vacation was to go help clean a farm up or something, you know, like it had something that, you know, he doesn't, he doesn't know how to relax, he doesn't know how to follow someone else's agenda. This has not been modeled to him. Yeah. So it could be, yeah, that's the only family of origin issue.
Starting point is 01:07:09 It could also be, and this is, I've discovered with a couple people when you go down this road of tell me about those vacations and finding out that their father was angry the whole time. Yeah. I'm thinking of a Jim Gaffigan bit about why all dads seem mad all the time. Yeah. Because they're standing in Disneyland, sweating and spending money, gaining weight while eating crappy, no, while sweating to death or something. Like, it's just funny, right? And it's because it sucks to be the adult paying for everything and making sure everyone else is happy. And so what was your experience as a kid? What was, and modeling is powerful, right? It's what you watched it's what you felt so was dad mad the whole time if you never went on vacations um you know
Starting point is 01:07:58 what what version of like a sunday drive did you have what breaks look like and just ask yourself some questions about what did i see what was the feeling of those those times you know so this person i'm thinking of um shared just this idea about their dad traveling is everything would get started and packed and they'd be ready to get in the car and dad would have a meltdown and the entire thing would be canceled. And so they'd never even left the house. They'd always just sitting there as kids on their on their suitcases and mom's trying to make it better and dad's refusing to go and then suddenly there is no vacation. So you take that experience as a young person that really imprints on you some weird stuff about vacationing, even though you are not really
Starting point is 01:08:47 conscious of it as an adult. Maybe you're just like, yeah, I just don't like this or this or I don't know. I'd rather be in my own bed. And so that would be my, some questions I would get, start digging down into the food thing. It's like, what is your actual experience? And, you know, as an only child, maybe there's not someone to commiserate with or to check facts with. That can be tricky.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Like, hey, do you remember this? So a lot of us will forget a lot of different things. And so this may take a little effort and introspection here of life. like, okay, what was it like? What was I feeling? And then that curiosity there leads to what the brain likes to do is open up and give you some memories or some thoughts. Or, oh, yeah, I do remember that. Or, you know, those kinds of things that usually we're just ignoring and hating the vacation and going to work and feeling good. And so we're not getting curious about, we're not getting specific to then be curious about it. So this general, be
Starting point is 01:09:47 curious is a great piece of advice I've given many times. But in a lot of cases, we have to get down a certain road to get curious about the right thing. So I'd like Austin, what is it, anxious in Austin, to
Starting point is 01:10:02 you know, go down the, what did my family do for fun? And scrape it together. If you think nothing, we just worked. Okay, but people also slept and ate food, and maybe you didn't work 24-7. So find those spaces, see if you can bring yourself to remember some of those. And then that's where to start to get curious.
Starting point is 01:10:24 Like, not critical, it's the opposite of critical, right? It's, huh, what was it like? Maybe jot some things down, see what comes to you, give it some time to think it through. Because that reactivity on a vacation comes from somewhere. if it's bipolar does not choose to only show up on a vacation or not it shows up whenever the hell it wants and you can you know make it worse and and obviously not sleeping or eating well and you could trigger different episodes different ways so i'm not saying it's i was actually that was going to be my question or i mean it's maybe this is a whole different subject but if you
Starting point is 01:11:04 got a you know diagnosable bipolar condition and and they're going to be variations right no one it's not everybody's getting the same version like anything. It's like, yeah, just, it's hard to explain what I'm trying to say. And medication is really your best friend. Yeah. And complying is the hardest thing anyone ever has to fight with with bipolar because once you feel normalized in terms of mood management, it's, you think you're fine. And sometimes it's really tempting to quit, especially if you don't want to be on medication
Starting point is 01:11:34 in the first place. and I've known many people who just really love the manic and it's really hard to give up. But manic rage, maybe that's easier to want to give up because it's, you know, other people in your family are not happy about that. I don't know, you know, it varies. But, I mean, that is going to be really important to treat that and, you know, learn skills around that. This is like a side gig that I'm talking about. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:03 is getting curious about your travel because obviously he brought it up, right? Right. So you would get curious about what did you see and really even more than like some story of something. It's like the feeling of whatever that felt like, right? Kids are really perceptive about, they may not have language for stuff, but they feel it. And they sense a shift and they know things aren't okay or something scary. You know, we're just humans. That's how we pick up on each other's cues.
Starting point is 01:12:35 And so there was cue picking up, like work matters. Work is important. And so here's this person who's got a family who's demanding some attention. Yeah. And taking him away from something that fills euphoric. That's the other thing I'd get curious about why work is so euphoric. And is that the only place that he experiences euphoria? Yeah, does it matter, which maybe it does matter.
Starting point is 01:13:00 But maybe it doesn't matter what he's doing. like he could be doing any kind of work? It's just the act of work or... Yeah, that would be a good question to find out. Is it you're at the office doing this specific thing and that's when you feel the euphoria or is it... We could send you out in the yard, cut down a tree, you would also feel it.
Starting point is 01:13:19 Is it just being productive? And I'm going to make a guess about his foo is that productivity equals love. Mm. And goodness or worthiness. And so when that's the case, just being you without doing something will feel like maybe unworthy or unlovable or somehow problematic. Whereas, you know, working like crazy all the time is the way to have that feeling go away, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:51 So that's another thing to get curious about. Like, what does your work? What does it do for you? And if it's just a chemical high, okay. And that's understandable. But most things are not just chemical highs. I'm sure some people are hearing this and going, man, I sure wish I was re euphoric about my work 24-7. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:12 But that seems. Where do I get some of that? Yeah. But I think that's asking for. I need to be less euphoric on vacation. I would love that. That would save me a lot of money. To me, that's like the little German kid saying, oh, a whole lake made of chocolate and then falling into it and getting sucked up a tube in Willy Wonka.
Starting point is 01:14:25 Like, you don't actually want that. don't want all of that you want you want to moderate you want to enjoy your work but you don't want to be like in a euphoric state when you do your work because then that's all you're ever going to want to do it just seems really dangerous you know well it's very and genetic in the social sense right um and we talked i don't know it was a couple weeks ago we talked about sort of generational trauma or generational connections to things sometimes of um whatever your great-great-grandparents went through, affected how they parented and what was modeled,
Starting point is 01:15:02 and that keeps going down generations. But people sometimes have to be chain breakers because sometimes those chains are really dangerous, abusive, whatever. And then sometimes they're the most socially acceptable version of intergenerational trauma, and that is hardworking. Right. And most of us are like,
Starting point is 01:15:22 see, that's not a bad thing, that's a good thing. That's how you bootstrap. That's how you become a millionaire. when you're 25, you know, like, we have a lot of our, a lot of stuff, uh, around that, right? Um, so this, this is sort of slightly related to what I'm going to go with it because it popped in my brain, um, but I was telling one of my kids who is struggling with some stuff. Good night. I'm a therapist all day and all night, by the way. Anyway, um, we were talking about just a perception on certain things. And, and I gave them this cultural,
Starting point is 01:15:57 example that's sometimes really helpful because especially if you're in an American-centric framing, you just think this is normal and it is not. And the example is a researcher went to study how sort of schools worked in Japan in like the 80s or 90s and shared this experience. And I thought it was a really fascinating example of just how different the framing could be. So anyway, this kid, they're all dry on three dimensional objects. And this kid can't draw it. He's struggling.
Starting point is 01:16:29 He can't, like, connect the lines. It looks bad. And the whole class is working on it. And so the teacher comes and takes that kid and puts him up at the board to have him work on it in front of everyone. Okay. Take that in American context. What does that mean? I don't.
Starting point is 01:16:44 Humiliation. Oh, yeah. Parents are coming knocking down that door. And it's what do we, who do we put up at the board usually? The, the struggling kids, the kids who are having. No, no, to show the whole class how to do it. Oh, the teacher's pets or the, you know. Yeah, the kid is awesome at it, right?
Starting point is 01:17:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in Japan, the framing is that struggle and, listen, this is not a commentary on their overworking workaholism, okay? Yeah. But just the framing of what solving a problem or learning includes is that it should always, it includes. And so they put the kid who's struggling in front of the class, and then the class is working with him, encouraging, cheering when he gets it. Like, what a different story, right? Versus I'm the kid who does it right, and now I have to go stand up and perform and get it perfect, right? So I am talking about my perfectionist child in this story.
Starting point is 01:17:48 And thinking, shall we move to Japan so you can learn that struggle is important. Anyway, just that idea of like, you know, what the framing is around working is unique to the culture you're in, unique to the subculture of your family. And, you know, if we really boil all this down, and when I've worked with many workaholics before, and one of the things I find in the end is that there is a sense of accomplishment, euphoria, control, value. and when we peel and peel and peel down, there is often a very sort of tender center to this of just like, this is my value. And you can expand this out to how Americans see a lot of things, right? Who do we demonize?
Starting point is 01:18:37 Who do we think is amazing? Right. And we love it when they do it really young, right? And no matter how amazing someone might be, if they didn't earn it, we're mad about it, right? Like there's just some stuff that culturally, we all can sort of, it makes sense. But then you take a very significant situation like it sounds like. So vacation is frivolous.
Starting point is 01:18:59 It doesn't make him feel good. It doesn't prove he's a good person. And in fact, he reacts like a bad person. It only spends money. It doesn't earn money. Yeah. And he's freaking out, right? Like he is screaming, yelling and going to turn this car around and losing all of the.
Starting point is 01:19:17 all the sort of family quality loving connection stuff. And if anyone has this kind of outward reaction in moments where we're supposed to be having a good time, either the attempt to have a good time is the wrong attempt or a lot of the times, it's not actually a very comfortable situation chatting and laughing and having eight hours to bond can feel really threatening. if that is not what you're used to, it's not your love language, you don't understand why it's happening. And so anytime anyone's really reactive about anything,
Starting point is 01:19:57 and this is what's powerful, you can say bipolar all day long and medicate it and never talk about it again, or you can find out some of what drives some of the dysregulation. Yes, there's chemical stuff for sure happening. Sure. But a lot of times,
Starting point is 01:20:12 it's getting curious about the triggers. Why so triggered on a road trip? Why so triggered when you have to come home from work early? And that's where the curiosity, you kind of find up a few trailheads and dig in. And usually there's something at the core. It's hard to find by yourself because we got a lot of blocks not to look at it. Sure. Because what would that mean to disrespect my dad by being upset that he only modeled work and not connection?
Starting point is 01:20:41 That means I have to face some things. Right. So it's tricky. so yeah be gentle here with yourself yeah and also um i don't know like in my case my i feel like i it's weird this is a bit of a revelation for me this email because i feel like i do this exact thing but i don't i'm not euphoric about work i mean i like doing what i do but i'm not like oh man 24 seven this is you know i don't feel that way i need a break like everybody else and you know there's it going to be a time today where i'm like finally i'm off my computer and i'm
Starting point is 01:21:15 I'm hanging out with Kim, you know, I don't want to do this all day or whatever. Like, there's that aspect. But on the vacation side of things, I do often see it as like, well, that's a total waste of money to do this. Or even our trip on that cruise, which I was excited about, there was still this thing of like, oh, the hassle of the travel and the thing. And I got to get the Canadian passport thing signed off before I can go there. You know, like just all of this hassle and mess and whatever, I way fixate.
Starting point is 01:21:45 on that and not the like yeah i can just chill and sit on the deck and you know they'll bring me pizza anywhere i'm anywhere i am or whatever like all the benefits of of the thing and it's were you able to do that once you were there i did but there were also still times where i would go oh geez when i get home i got to go brer like i think about what i still had to do and uh that got better the longer i was there, so that's good. Yes, Brian. I tend to notice and dread the halfway point of a vacation. Like when I'm, like, if it's a week-long vacation, like the middle of, I'm having a great time. And then it's like, oh, no, this is like the halfway point. It's half over. Oh, no. And I tend to just dread that moment because then I start fixing it on like, oh, there's less of my vacation in front of me than there is
Starting point is 01:22:35 behind me. And I don't know why I did that. I did that. I did that too. I hate that I did that too with this trip and I did it. I did both things. I was like, uh, work, this, that, and then I got to the midway and went, oh, no, we're halfway. Like, I felt the same, same stupid thing. And I'm guessing a lot of people have versions of this. But I really, if this exists, I admire people who can just go, disconnect and go. I wish I could be more like that. Well, I would argue that the people who can do that have done that already on a regular basis in order to then have it magically work on a vacation. And that's the problem is we actually have more enjoyment planning vacations as a general rule than not being on them. Yeah. And that's because that anticipatory, it's the planning mode,
Starting point is 01:23:20 and this is different for different people, but they've shown this in enough studies that we are terrible predictors of actually the happiness will experience. And the main reason is we're not present, right? And so let's say you are sort of hyper-focused. at work and you're getting a bunch of stuff done and you're feeling flow and it feels good. You can feel successful and like, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then you've got to transition to something you are not killing it at, right? Like, I got to go to a kid's thing and watch my kid be bad at a thing, right? Right.
Starting point is 01:23:54 And, you know, and you're just like worried and annoyed or, you know, whatever you're doing. And it's, you're not killing it. So the next time you go back to work and you're killing it, it feels great. So it sounds like, you know, he found a great job for himself. However, it's no practice anywhere else for most of us, right? So, especially Americans, you know, with our average of two weeks of vacation a year, when you go, I mean, two weeks out of 52 weeks is you have no practice. No, that's not practice. If you're lucky to have two weeks.
Starting point is 01:24:25 Yeah. Whereas, you know, you love the Europeans. We're like, oh, for the six weeks, I am in Egypt. You're like, okay. Yeah. You relax. At week three is when they're like, oh, I guess I have to go back in three weeks, whatever. But just like we don't train for this.
Starting point is 01:24:39 We don't know what we're doing. And being present is one of our, probably one of our biggest challenges is to not be thinking about the past and not worried about the future. But you know it'll help us. I know it'll help us, dude. Here's the deal. Like in Europe, you talk about, you know, in Europe, they're like, oh, six weeks. I'm going to Egypt. You know, they don't have to, they're no longer in the mode of we must colonize everywhere we go and we must take over the world one colony at a time and bring the king's love to everybody.
Starting point is 01:25:06 and all that they stopped doing that thank goodness uh the effects of which still haunt the world sometimes but you know they they stopped and part of that was them going all right we're no longer the biggest chicken in the yard we can we can relax a little you know we don't have to be so we don't have to constantly act like we're all that and then a bag of chips they can they can just relax i feel like that's a that's an evolutionary sort of on the level of like national evolution these countries have been through it all including the rough early parts, the bloody middle parts, the waning ladder parts,
Starting point is 01:25:42 and now they're just kind of like, all right, let America, China, India, and them just strut around like they're the leaders of everything and we'll just sort of sit here. And I kind of want that, you know? I know that's a weird, broad thing to say, and it's probably totally not accurate. But I look forward to the day
Starting point is 01:25:57 where we're just a little less, feel like we have to be so damn competitive all the time. You know what I mean? Yeah. Uh-huh. We're just always like, gosh, dang it. we must be at best at everything. And if we're not, we're going to complain that we're not.
Starting point is 01:26:10 And part of the reason we're not is because we're complaining that we're not, you know, like all that stuff. I realize this is all over the place, but. You're hilarious. I am literally making this face like, wait, what? You know what I mean, though? Like, I feel like. I do.
Starting point is 01:26:26 I do. Like the French, the French, you're no longer interested in taking over anything. The French are interested in chilling out, taking a long time at lunch, having small portions and sipping on their weird little. coffees. Okay, you know what the French have done? Speaking, this actually, this is tying back. You've finally found a thread I can grab.
Starting point is 01:26:42 Okay, do it. Go. So the French have passed a law where you cannot, it is illegal for an employer to expect employees to respond outside of business hours. Oh, wow. Now, you can send an email and a text all day, but there is no, it is illegal to require them in any way to respond outside of that. So you can respond, but you're not, you are bylawed.
Starting point is 01:27:06 not required to. Okay, gotcha. Okay. Yeah, you can't, but so again, let's leave it up to you, but it is illegal for your boss to then have any, there's any ramifications for you not working while you should work. So if you don't answer it, they could go, ah, you're fired and that would actually be grounds for, you know. Yeah. And the Swedes are moving towards a six hour work day. Yeah. And I forgot where, so maybe you're European theories, right? I think it is. Do you know the origin of the eight hour work day? No, but before you jump off of that, because I do want to hear that. How do you go from, we're Vikings and we'll gutcha with all our axes and shit.
Starting point is 01:27:43 And then they go, we're going to have a six-hour work day. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm telling you right now, Swedes love the research. And the research shows you are not productive for eight hours a day. And so they're going to follow the research. You're maybe productive for four, let's all be honest. But like six makes them feel like they're still doing their jobs. Right.
Starting point is 01:28:01 And they work. This is not a country where you're, you know, everybody works. Everyone's expected to work. It's not that, but it's like an effective research-based thing. And also, like, the reality is mental health isn't good anywhere. And so, you know, some of it's like having an honest look at that. So anyway, the origin of the eight-hour work day is railroads. Did you know that?
Starting point is 01:28:26 No, I didn't know that. Railroad workers were working, like, ridiculous hours and death and chaos. Eight hours equates to the live-long day. All the live long day. Because I've been working on the railroad and they were overworked and they were dying and huge numbers from accidents and different problems
Starting point is 01:28:46 and so this is 1900 something so that's FDR right I think. Anyway but the idea was that a bill was presented like we're not going to run the railroads so the unionized and said we're not going to do it
Starting point is 01:29:01 you know here's what we want we want eight hours so they pass something to give them that time. And then that law was then later used by other groups to get everybody on an eight-hour schedule. So our entire work mentality is based on that railroad folks were getting murdered. Oh, we love tradition, though, and we're afraid to change it. It's like, hey, why do we have daylight savings? Daylight savings, a good one.
Starting point is 01:29:30 Like, why, why? Because we've always had it. Because we've always done it. Yeah, exactly. I hate that. Hate that. Right. And I understand that that's, whatever.
Starting point is 01:29:40 And you're not wrong about, like, a younger country needing to work pretty hard and, you know, strut around. And that was those early days of, like, industrialization, it wasn't complete by any shot. And so to say, oh, wait a minute, we're going to actually. And then the death rates went way down, accidents, drop. So there was no turning around after that. because it made a lot of sense. And that's your eight-hour workday.
Starting point is 01:30:06 So the Swedes are like, suck it. That's a British accent. It's really good. It's, uh, the Johnson's doing, uh, British accents today on, uh, yeah, by the way, my whole family does this. And it's Irish and then it's Scottish and then it's New Zealand. It's so bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:22 None of it sounds good, but we, we all do it. Is this genetic? This must be genetic. We're idiots. But anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to do that in public. Usually I just do that alone. yeah it's uh it's to me this is a fascinating thing just an issue from you know how how nations evolve because you could it's just such a difference and i think you're right about them being
Starting point is 01:30:46 young hungry scrappy and needing to do you know show whatever and now when you're the big boy which just usually means financial dominance uh in a modern sense when you're that then then you're faced with all these issues these growing pains of like well but how are we mentally as a group how are we as a society what are we treating each other like and you have to start to answer for things like there are swaths of the population who don't have access to clean drinking water right or health care is right or there we have this many we have this many suicides compared to some other society we have this many shootings or whatever maybe we're a freaking hot mess but we're so slow to look at it like I feel like they would have been that way back then if you said to the
Starting point is 01:31:29 king back in the 1600s uh you know this being and being the biggest country in Europe's kind of a problem because this, this and this, and people would be resistant to that. They'd be like, no, we got this going on. Get out of court. You're now behead that man, you know, like, that's how we were then. And now we're, now we're kind of that now in our own way, in our own modern way. And it's, I don't know, it's a thing to grapple with, I guess.
Starting point is 01:31:52 And your snapshot of history, I mean, this is, this actually, I'm tying it back to Anxious in Austin. Like, it's hard to see your own place in, in your family. of origin or the drama that has surrounded you just like it is in history, right? Like, you know, did anyone during the whatever, no, they were living during that, whatever? No, it was named later, right? They were just living their lives. And I think sometimes this happens with our families, we're so used to how it is. It's the water we swim in. And sometimes it's not until you have really different other experiences. And sometimes it's about going inward, right? So, and that's kind of what I'm getting at here is finding out what sort of things he's hanging
Starting point is 01:32:35 on to in order to be okay. Because we run out of energy at certain points. I mean, a lot of my clientele ends up, you know, 40s and late 30s to like early 50s of just like everything's flipped on its head. And it's because everything we were doing up to that point before the midlife was, you know, grappling or managing or hiding or segment or whatever sort of tactics to survive and chase the dollar or chase the whatever ways to feel relevant and loved and then suddenly it's not working yeah yeah well I hope anxious in Austin takes this stuff to heart and um send you know just
Starting point is 01:33:18 send a tiny piece of your euphoria in my way and then I'll just do that for a little bit you know Like, we just spread it out. It seems like it always comes back to equilibrium, doesn't it? It's like the right balance, the right mix, the right levels, because it's normal to sometimes feel in the zone for working, but it's not normal to feel that 24-7. And if you did, I mean, imagine. That is what mania is, by the way. That's a definition of mania.
Starting point is 01:33:45 And people lose a lot of good things in their life when they are stuck in that. So, yeah, and balance is not a thing, by the way. But it's balancing is maybe a better verb to use because of just trying to reorient and manage and shift. And that's why life's not easy. Do you think the entire cast of Jackass all have mania and they just have never been diagnosed? Yeah. I do too. Yeah, I'd believe it too.
Starting point is 01:34:15 It would be fun. I would love this. If someone, this just popped in my head. If someone sent us something to watch and then analyze, but it can't be like 400 episodes of something. It has to be like one Faulty Towers episode or something that you just, a character you find interesting, it'd be fun to analyze. Because I think there's a lot of stuff like that that's out there that's interesting. I'm a fan of Ted Lassow. I'm sure anyone has seen it, likes it.
Starting point is 01:34:46 It's good, right? Yeah, that's great. I love that his character, like, the weaving of like this super chipper dude and then the realities of what that actually is for him and stuff. Like, that's a great example of seeing the arc pretty quickly and it's played out pretty well. But, you know, anyway, so that'd be fine if anyone's bored and has a character, they want to. But I need time to see it because I can't. I've seen everything you've seen people. you're a busy you're busy seer of things that's what that's that's your new title uh all right well this has all been good uh let us know how things go down there in austin and uh wendy where you're getting to the wire here on the signups oh we already started oh my gosh on monday yeah oh my heck that's great if you didn't get in sorry too bad so sad but uh i know a few that are in and they're all stoked as usual uh sounds like it's going there's always another round but this this uh this uh This round's going great so far.
Starting point is 01:35:45 We have a lot of new people. It's really fun and we're really focused on doing stuff that scares us. And it's amazing how similar and different we all are in the same time, right? Like, you know, doing something that's hard or scary. And sometimes it's just making a dang phone call. Like, let's be honest. Sometimes it's using a bidet for the first time, you know? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:06 You don't know what you're getting into. That's the number one I wasn't thinking of. Whoa. But boy, do I feel braver now for sitting on that thing? Thank the French. Once again, the French come up in our conversation.
Starting point is 01:36:17 Seriously. Excellent. Well, Wendy, it's good to have you on. As always, I hope everybody is safe and well, and we will catch you next time on the next therapy Thursday.
Starting point is 01:36:26 Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye now. I can't remove her. Now I did. Bye. All right.
Starting point is 01:36:32 That went great. How's your 3D print? Let's check in on Brian. That's good. Yeah, it's in the curing machine. Then I got to take it up and paint it. And then the paint has to dry before I can put in the mail
Starting point is 01:36:42 in, an hour and a half or two hours. Wow. I guess I could take it to the to the post office by five, but I don't want to drive anywhere. No. Who wants to do that? Nobody is the answer. Nobody wants to do that.
Starting point is 01:36:55 No. I had something I wanted to share with you. I totally forgot about it. Yesterday on DT&S, we talked about a story. Let me pull it up here. We actually have it in front of me. Here it is. This is.
Starting point is 01:37:08 Oh, shoot. Where's the actual article? Here it is. this was scientists at Stanford University published an article on science advances describing a 3D printing process that is 10 times faster than the fastest high resolution printer on the market
Starting point is 01:37:24 here's the actual data on the how much you can do let's see 50 to 80 millimeters per hour wow yeah and it's one and it's a it's a resin one like yours oh it's a resin one it's not a filament total resin printer and people People are stoked about this. It's significant.
Starting point is 01:37:44 But right now it's just a, it's prototypical. They're not, there's no retail thing yet. You can't buy one yet, but, oh, well. I thought of you and went, oh, Brian would like this. I need that. Yeah, because right now, the, the Khyber crystal holder things that I'm making are 14-hour prints. So it's a basically got to start at midday. It works overnight.
Starting point is 01:38:06 And then in the mornings, I've got a product I can ship out. Nice. Well, we will watch for that. Uh, quick emails, some, uh, some very fast ones here. Send and receive email. Uh, before I get too deep into those, I do want to make a mention here. So Jenny Josephson, uh, fellow friend of the program, uh, used to do a show with Tom and Garrett called, I think let's talk about Star Wars.
Starting point is 01:38:29 Yeah, they ended that show. However, Jenny was like, no, I need the Star Wars to keep on. I still want to talk about stars. Yeah. She still wants to talk about it. She loves Star Wars. So she launched a new show called the Folkrum Feed at Folk. fulcfede.com. That's F-U-L-C-R-U-M-Feed.com. I happen to do the album art for it, but that's not the reason I'm bringing this up. Cool. I was also on her first episode, and we talked about Andor and all things Star Wars growing up with it, what it meant to us, how the prison warden's son used to get us bootleg copies of all three original movies. Great stories came out of that. Anyway, if you guys want to check it out, please do. Jenny's doing a great job with it. And getting production help from Amos, who's all
Starting point is 01:39:12 Always good at this stuff. Anyway, that's fulcrum feed.com or wherever you get your podcasts. And you can hear our first episode where we talk about the first three episodes of Andor. Oh, very cool. Yeah, which I quite liked. Awesome. Very good. Yeah, we're going to be talking music.
Starting point is 01:39:26 At some point, we've been figuring out what day works, works. Oh, that's great. Star Wars music? That's amazing. Star Wars music, yeah. Oh, I want to hear that. It's a lot of John Williams business and all that stuff. Of course.
Starting point is 01:39:38 Yep. You got to talk about that disco thing that came out when we were kids. Mecco, yeah, exactly. That's great. For sure. Anyway, check that out. Upcoming Brian's spot. I didn't even know about that.
Starting point is 01:39:48 That's amazing. Let's also now read this from Captain Ed. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Captain Ed. If you look down to your right side. He says, hey guys, on Mondays and Tuesday's show, you were talking about bad names and mentioned Katrina, meaning bad names because they get hurricanes named after you. Anyway, a few weeks before my son. son was born back in 2005. We were convinced we were having a girl, and we decided on the name Katrina.
Starting point is 01:40:17 Luckily, we had a son because he was born three days before Hurricane Katrina decimated New Orleans, and he would have had a lifetime of being asked if he was named after the hurricane. Keep up a great podcast, Captain Ed. Yeah, see, see? There you go. Got to be careful. It can bite you in the ass. That's right.
Starting point is 01:40:35 Here's one from Jeffrey. This is just in. This just in. All right. Hot off of the email. presses. I'm glad I check because I put this in during windy and I thought it was good. Dear John Holmes and Big Dick Bambon, sorry. You two can decide which is which, he says.
Starting point is 01:40:53 That's all right. You can have whichever one you want, Scott. He says, I went to Mickey D's last night to pick up my mom a hot fudge Sunday. The man in front of me ordered the adult happy meal because his little girl, probably four or five, wanted the toy. When he gave it to her, she cried. and said it was an alien because it had four eyes. Have a great stream, Jeffrey. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:18 I agree. That's a toy, McDonald's toy that comes with free therapy in about 15 years. That's right. By the way, today's selfie should have that. You should have that toy. Oh, I will. Yeah, I'll use that. Yeah, you got to.
Starting point is 01:41:30 Why else would, you know, can you Photoshop a pair of extra eyes on me? I totally could. I could dupe your eyes. We're doing it. It's in. We're locked. Good. All right. Show stuff coming up. Don't forget today. You got Coverville at 1 p.m.
Starting point is 01:41:47 Being here for the stream. Coverville.com. Yep. Very good. Bunker in better days back in the day. Later tonight, we got Core. That's happening. And that'll be at 5 p.m. We got a lot to talk about tonight. So check out Core. You want to know how the Overwatch 2 launch went? Well, not well. From a technical standpoint. The game's fine. There is it in my launcher. I can't find it. Yeah, all that stuff was weird. The DDoS attacks were weird. Everything was weird.
Starting point is 01:42:14 We'll talk about that and a whole bunch more tonight on CORE at 5 p.m. Mountain right here at the Twitch channel. Guess the connection happening tomorrow? Yeah. Tomorrow, like before Couch party, about an hour before Carch party. Carch party. Crotch party. Cotch Pote.
Starting point is 01:42:32 Yeah, Pote. Crotch Poutty. That'll be happening about 2 p.m. Mountain time and then Couch Party right after that. Yeah, we're doing man on fire. The Denzel Washington. movie man on fire and uh we're going to watch it live through the discord via uh if you're a patron you get in it doesn't matter what level too dollar that's fine get in watch that live yep and i'll post it uh this is what early aughts 2005 yeah it came out uh 2004 uh it's a it's a hour it's 146 minutes so
Starting point is 01:43:01 two hours and 25 like two and a half hours scott whoa it's a beast it is a beast big one well is that gonna mess you up i gotta get across town for dinner uh We'll figure it out. If we need to do something shorter, we totally can. It's not a problem. Or we could do two parts. We could do first half of man on fire. Well, we'll figure it out.
Starting point is 01:43:19 Yeah, that's not bad. I don't mind that. We'll figure it out, you guys. We've got to make sure you make your time. So it's all good. Anyway, that's tomorrow. Couch Party. Be there for that.
Starting point is 01:43:28 If you're like, wait, how does that work? Just check out the Discord. People explain it to you. It's all good. FilmSack this weekend. We're doing the haunted mansion. That's the Disney haunted mansion from the Eddie Murphy one. From where...
Starting point is 01:43:39 Also from the early 2000s. Yeah. Not a good movie from what I've heard, but I've never seen it. So, first time for me. Oh, cool. I'm curious to see what you think, because I had a different reaction this time than when I originally saw it. You saw it last night, right? I watched it last night because, again, Broncos tonight, dinner, Saturday night.
Starting point is 01:43:59 I will be probably drunk for 24 hours after the beer fest on Saturday. And it'll lead right into film sex Sunday morning. Perfect. Perfect. You'll just step right over. It'll be great. yeah great so anyway check that out we're looking forward to that reminder that you can be one of our patrons and get that couch party stuff along with lots of other things that includes if you can't physically be there for couch party that's okay because i put the video archive with all the audio stuff right up on the patreon after or soon after so you can get it that way as well if you're a patron so anyway sign over at patreon dot com slash tms be like gab geysendorfer who's been with us since 2004 just wanted to shout his name out we got no new patrons yesterday. That's a bummer.
Starting point is 01:44:44 But it's okay. And if you are a new patron by Monday, I'm going to send you something special in the mail. We did that recently. I'll do it again. All right. So we get like the next three patrons that join us over the weekend. Actually, I'll tell you what, any new patrons over the weekend, I will send one, I don't have one handy, but I'll send you a print magnet sticker pack that you can only get in that way. So anyway, go check it out, patreon.com. Even though it's film sack and not TMS. Those cassettes are already going out in the mail. So if you are a top level
Starting point is 01:45:15 film sack patron, then those are on the way to you as well. Awesome. Frogpants.com slash TMS for everything else. Brian, let's play a song and get out of here. What do you got? I've got a song that's spooky but fun because Leah asked for that specifically.
Starting point is 01:45:32 She said, hey, Scott and Brian, I've been updating my Halloween playlist while I'm sorting candy and doing costume work and I don't have it perfected yet. I want to know why you're sorting the candy. Don't you just have it all in one big bowl and throw it out to the kids? What's what we do? Kids are getting stale Japanese kidcats
Starting point is 01:45:48 this year. Looking forward to it. I'm trying to fill my playlist with spooky but fun music. So there's some Alice Cooper, but also some jackbox, silly spooky stuff, a bit of wow and some Indiana Jones since we're going to be dressing as Indiana Jones and the Grail night this year.
Starting point is 01:46:04 You chose wisely. I think I've got the John Williams section of playlist covered, but the rest I'm still deciding on. I would love to hear what you come up with. Thanks, signed Leah. Well, this is an easy choice for me because when I think of fun and spooky Halloween music, my mind immediately goes to Denny Elfman, who of course did the score for The Nightmare Before Christmas. Anything from that would fit the bill. Everything from that would fit the bill. But also from his band, originally Oingo Boingo, the Mystic Nights of the Oingo Boingo. Of course, a
Starting point is 01:46:39 a staple of that list should be dead man's party here is a rock inversion by the syndicate from their album reloaded from 2008 here is dead man's party All dressed up with nowhere to go Walking with a dead man over my shoulder I'm all dressed up with nowhere to go Walking with a dead man over my shoulder struck my lightning walking down the street I will sit my songs
Starting point is 01:47:46 the last night in my sleep It's a dead man's party Who could ask for more Everybody's gonna be your body at the door In body and fool at the dawn Waiting for an invitation to arrive Going to a party where no one's still alive Waiting for an invitation to arrive
Starting point is 01:48:28 Going to a party where no one's still alive Walking down the street I was in my song last night in my scene It's a dead man's parting Who could ask for more Everybody's gonna leave
Starting point is 01:48:56 Your eye at the door Hey, I'm gonna show I know what you're through Who? Was it with a jet flag? Was it with a jackman? We're not here to change your right What you're gonna turn right
Starting point is 01:49:17 One of my best suit and my tie Change the silver dollar on either eye One by one coming to my door Get some room for only john one more I was struck by lightning walking down the street I would sit by something last night in my seat
Starting point is 01:49:56 It's a dead man's party Who could ask for more Everybody's gonna leave Your body at the door With nowhere to go Both are strong I'm nowhere to come Walking with
Starting point is 01:50:14 Dead over my shoulder Walking with a death Out of my shoulder Waiting for an invitation to arrive And I'm working for an invitation to why Got of a white shirt in my side
Starting point is 01:50:28 We're going to be. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Frog Pants Network. Get more shows like this at frogpants.com. I'm moist like a towelette.

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