The Morning Stream - TMS 2379: The Old Ball and Chainsaw

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

Your Kidneys Are Incredible. Airlines Can Bite My Left Buttcheek. I Can Only Taste Hand Lotion. Upper Deck of a German Toilet. Aria Stark's Shit List. Hallmark: Porn without Naked People. The guy at J...iffy Lube lied. Bruce is a lumberjack and he's ok. T Stands For Dumb. Coming to the Stage...Jerry Atric! George Donkey Bite Washington. Fiddy-Centaur. COVID Makes You Think There Are Two Marleys. French Fries Are Disgusting with Dan. and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Coming up on TMS, your kidneys are incredible. Airlines can bite my left butt cheek. I can only taste hand lotion. Upper deck of a German toilet. Hallmark, porn, without naked people. Aria Stark's shit list. That guy at Jiffy Lou Blyde. Bruce is a lumberjack and he's okay.
Starting point is 00:00:18 T stands for dumb. Coming to the stage, Jerry Atrick. George Donkey Bite Washington. Fitty Centaur. COVID makes you think there are two marlies. French fries are disgusting. with Dan and more on this episode of We're back, the morning stream.
Starting point is 00:00:35 Yivo is the lover of all beings, male and female. But Yivo has no gender. Thus, Yivo has proclaimed that instead of he or she, we are to use the word shklee. And instead of him or her, we are to use the word schlimm or schler. Phew, I've been sweating a nomenclature all week. I'm here.
Starting point is 00:01:00 The morning stream. Let's just get some shot at. I forgot I put that in there. Hi, everybody. Welcome to TMS. Yeah, that's right. It's the morning stream for Monday, November 21st, 2022. I am Scott Johnson. That is Brian. it. Good morning, Brian. Hello. Oh, my gosh. It's so good to be. Hello, morning, stream. Oh, my gosh. How are you? I'm fine. Thanks. Hey, we haven't heard that in a bit either. I guess we're hearing that on Wednesday. Yeah, no, it's, it is, as long as it's been for you, it's been a couple extra days longer for me because TV's Travis and Bobby filled in for me while I was in Orange County, seeing the
Starting point is 00:01:47 concert. We'll talk about that. We've got a lot of stuff to talk about, a lot of stuff to catch up on. It's so much bad timing, though, right? Like, you're, you're, you were perfect. perfectly well-suited to go when you were going. And we already thought it was bad timing because I was supposed to go out of town last week. Right. I was going to barely be here anyway for a work thing. And then you, you know, so we were staggered and we hadn't really coordinated that. And it's not like we could.
Starting point is 00:02:10 We really couldn't in this case. So it wasn't a big deal. But then I got sick. COVID, the COVID-19 had to cancel the trip. Brian, uh, obviously home like, all right, showtime. We're doing shows, right? And I'm like, shit. I don't think I can.
Starting point is 00:02:26 get out of this bed so that's how we'll even talk about like how the time the crap timing for this week for for for another thing for me that would have come in really handy but we'll talk about that after after the COVID update but yeah so before we even start talking about the COVID are you able to reschedule that thing you were going to go to Texas for yeah but we can't do it too after the holidays now so oh bummer sometime in possibly March or maybe oh gosh wow yeah so it's a ways off we're working on it's still up in the air we may be able to squeeze something in in December but it's not
Starting point is 00:02:58 it's not you know none of that's just hard with the holidays and travel stuff's weird during this time of the year and I don't know we just don't know what we're doing yet but hopefully that gets itself worked out they were incredibly nice and gracious about it and we're like that's good
Starting point is 00:03:12 and I'm glad we got the cancellation insurance although I have a bone to pick we got cancellation insurance or whatever the fee is you pay so they'll let you cancel stuff nine usually like nine 10 bucks or something per ticket it's not bad okay but you know it's a little bit of a racket but you're what you're paying like 250 350 bucks for a plane ticket it feels kind of like you know you should you should just refund this if something goes wrong like something you know
Starting point is 00:03:40 an act of god kind of situation yeah and i think they're they're all in cahoots it's a freaking racket the airline industry can bite my left butt cheek they suck yeah yeah uh but basically So as I thought this did, because I'm dumb. I thought, well, if we paid that, then they'll just pay you, they'll just cancel everything. Well, hotel, of course, yes, no problem. Sure. Car rental, no problem. Airlines, which is two airlines, because that was the only way I could get the flights on the dates I needed them.
Starting point is 00:04:08 I had to do Delta on the way out and American on the way back. Okay. Both of them, of course, are like, oh, you got the insurance, great. And I'm like, what does that mean? Well, it means we don't, we don't, you know, We can, we're not going to just. Yeah, we don't refund you. And I'm like, wait, I thought the whole idea is like cancel means cancel. No, no, no. These are now credits. These can use toward future flabber bra blah blah blah. Freaking F off, dude. The only difference between now and 2020 is that they used to do that as a standard for COVID. And now you got to buy the insurance to do it. But they still get you, man. These bastards still get you. And yes, I still have to go. And yeah, it'll carry for a year. And that's fine. But I'm still annoyed. I think that industry can take a dump. And I don't understand, you know, like if I don't buy the insurance and something happens
Starting point is 00:04:59 and I miss and I can't do that flight, I was under the impression, and maybe, you know, falsely so, that I can just say, yeah, I need to, I can't go on that flight. So I'll just, you know, rebook that same trip for another time. And I guess, you know, I knew I wouldn't get my money back if I didn't even like that. the insurance. But I thought, you know, oh, Southwest, I'm not going to be able to make that flight, you know, just put the funds and credits and I'll make that flight when I can. But apparently that's not the case. Not the case. I don't know if something changed recently or if this is just normal procedure, what the deal is. So it's fine. I'll live with it. But honestly, it was like
Starting point is 00:05:40 right before COVID, the airline industry was having problems anyway. And they started saying, well, all right, we got to charge for this. We got to charge for this other thing. We got to charge this. Then COVID hit, and they relaxed a few things. But just when you think they should be kind of rolling back some of those temporary measures that they had to put in place that cost us money, it's like, oh, you know, we're making more money because we're now charging people $15 to pick a freaking seat on the website that doesn't cost us any money to maintain or have a representative have to work with them on. No, it's pure profit. It's pure profit. It's like the ticket The Ticketmaster convenience fee of buying online. It's like, oh, well, I'm buying my tickets
Starting point is 00:06:24 online. Oh, well, then that's an $18 convenience fee. For who's convenience? Yeah, whose convenience. Them getting zero cost profit is the convenience. It's like the whole thing when you say, oh, we're at a 40 year high for inflation. That's true. But we're also at a 70 year high for corporate profits. So, F off all y'all, bastards. Exactly. Yeah. Anyway, so here's my, here's my, here's my old. overall take on the COVID experience. Please do. A lot of my friends, you included,
Starting point is 00:06:54 vaxed as I was, boosted all that, had their version of COVID, and it wasn't so bad, you know, a couple days cold kind of sort of deal. And, you know, I knew people, obviously, who've had much worse than that. But I just thought, I just assumed that I was going to have
Starting point is 00:07:10 a nice little sail through it kind of experience. I just thought, well, this will be no big deal. Everyone else around me is, no big deal. The vax is supposed to do that for us, Like, you know, that's what happened with me. It's like, oh, wow, you know, thank goodness I got the vaxes and the boosts because it made, you know, I still got COVID, but at least it made the experience almost imperceptible, sadly, for all those fine folks at D23. Sure. Rub it up on.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Hopefully they all had minor experiences as well, if anyone caught it. But the way it worked for me, couldn't have been more hardcore. Like, I don't know. I mean, obviously everybody's different. and the way I was talking to Bobby off air about this just from a kind of like a science discussion sort of about it but I basically said and I agree and I think this is
Starting point is 00:07:58 this holds it's a little bit like all right well I wore my seatbelt like the guy in the passenger seat did and we got in a horrible wreck and he came out unscathed because of a seatbelt wearing I lost a shoulder or pulled a shoulder out of socket but I still I still lived do you understand
Starting point is 00:08:18 it's like the point is like the vaccine didn't make me impervious to all harm it but I think had I lived or had I had it in early 2020 I'm a statistic dude there's no way I'd have made that
Starting point is 00:08:32 it was so bad yeah it makes me wonder like what would have been what would it have been like for you if you hadn't gotten the vaccines and the boosters like what I wish you could quantify it I really do because the only thing I could think of is I would have been dead it was so bad I know I would have at the least at the very least we'd have gone to the ER on like Wednesday because that was really at its peak of bad you never had any sort of like breathing issues right it was all like coughing and fatigue like major fatigue and of course the sense of smell and yeah massive fatigue was the biggest thing yeah fever is obviously The fever is the...
Starting point is 00:09:14 You know what I'm going to do here? I'm going to break it down. Let me give me the top five symptoms that I have. Okay. All right. Here we go. This is the top five. Oh, that's weird.
Starting point is 00:09:27 I just find a glitch in Ventura. Maybe not. I had a weird thing happen on screen just now. All right. So, any weird thing that happens? Is that Ventura? No. I'm going to blame it on Ventura instead of my addled brain from my horrible fever
Starting point is 00:09:41 dreams last week. So here are the worst symptom. as far as I'm concerned. At number five, you might think this would be more or it would be worse, but loss of smell, I'll put at number five. The reason I think loss of smell is at fifth and not first or second or something is because it's actually more fascinating than it was bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:00 I found that to be really odd because I would be in a room where the cat just took a dump and I'd have no idea. And Kim would be like, oh my gosh, can you not smell that? And she lost a little bit, but it all kind of came back for her real quick. Okay. Mine's about, I don't know, I probably smell. I probably got 20% of my smell back or something. So it's actually coming back already.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Some people I know go months, maybe a year without their smell or taste. But for me, it's been just during the week. But anyway, that was just weird and interesting. Yeah. Like, oh, one of my senses is gone. I can still. Yeah, it doesn't impact you as much. You know, obviously it affects your, and we'll probably get to the tasting.
Starting point is 00:10:39 But it just, that's kind of its biggest thing, right? it's there to protect you in case now there's a natural gas leak it's to help you taste but you know you can get by without a sense of smell yeah you can live with it for a few days and kind of go oh interesting and sort of observe it or whatever
Starting point is 00:10:55 that was number five number four was taste losing taste is kind of sucky also interesting a little bit but also super sucky because people brought over really good food very nice very nice people we had some wonderful tadpoolers call in door dashes and junk like that
Starting point is 00:11:11 It was super nice. I'm going to send all these people something in the mail. But very kind. Anyway, we would get things that were good that I couldn't tell if they were good or not. Already couldn't smell them. And now I can't taste them. Freaking, that kind of sucked. So I didn't enjoy that.
Starting point is 00:11:25 So then it became just, what you ate was just textures. Right. You know? And for me, that would be a great diet plan. Like, basically, if I could take a pill that for 30 days makes it so I can't taste food, I would, it would be like, oh, great. So really, I just need to eat to survive. Because I eat because I like the taste of food.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Oh, let me taste that Italian sub. Or let me have the chips and salsa. Or let me have, oh, a French fry with salt and ketchup, blah, blah, blah. You take away that for me. And it's like, okay, just give me oatmeal for 30 days or whatever. And that's all I need. Nothing but mushed up vegetables. I can't tell the difference between that and a steak.
Starting point is 00:12:03 I mean, let's go. I agree with you. That part of it, if that was still, because that's now coming back also. um although i so i'm sipping on this dr pepper zero here and it tastes like hand lotion a little so so the receptors are coming back but not all at once it's like how about we give him let's give him uh sour and umami yeah and we'll keep sweet and salty yeah we'll hang on to bitter for later you know they're just it's kind of having its time i guess um so So that was number four.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Number three, the cough is horrendous. It is a little better today, better than, it's been better than every day since. But there were a couple days in there where I thought I was registering on someone's Richter scale. It was so, so hardcore. And producing nothing, right? Like, it didn't really get into my chest, so that's good. But it stayed all up here, kind of upper respiratory sort of esophageal area zone up through my head. And coughing felt like my, my eyes.
Starting point is 00:13:08 were on the upper deck of a German toilet, just ready to fall off into the hole. It was really weird. Wow. Anyway, so there's one to take apart. And then, too, fatigue, by far, fatigue was one of the worst things. I was so tired. And in some ways, on some days, not all, but some days, I could sleep. And when I did, it was beautiful, wonderful best sleep I've had in months.
Starting point is 00:13:36 because I'm just knocked out cold, right? Just like... I kind of want that, too. Like, can I... I know, right? I know. Can I just have some of these? Can I pick from the COVID symptom menu and just say,
Starting point is 00:13:47 yeah, I'll take, from column A, I'll take the good sleep. And from column B, I'll take lack of taste and smell. Yeah. And that's the problem is I don't think the good sleep comes without the horrible fatigue. So it feels like you've got to have one to get the other. The worst, by far, at number one, the fever. And I thought I'd had bad fevers before. And I have.
Starting point is 00:14:09 I've had a couple of real doozies in my lifetime. I've never had one that was this miserable. And overall, I will say, I have never felt this bad or felt this sick in my freaking life. So if I've ever made any of you who dealt with COVID in any sort of way feel like I didn't fully understand, or if you felt like I didn't give the proper amount of understanding. I think I just said the same thing. with different words. If I discounted
Starting point is 00:14:40 the sympathy for you having COVID at all. At all. I would like to take all of that back and iterate my newfound understanding and respect for you because that was bad. And I'm vaccinated.
Starting point is 00:14:56 Already I got some protection there. In fact, you know, my doctor said the good news is your body is fighting like crazy, which means that means that's good. It's an ally to have the vaccinations. Some people, you know, anti-vaxxers who smoke all day had nothing and didn't even know they had it. So you can't go around comparing everybody's case.
Starting point is 00:15:19 But my case, dude, was the shits. I hated it. I don't recommend it. I don't wish it on anyone except for Hitler. He's dead, though, so it doesn't really count. But I'd give it to Hitler if I could. Give it to Hitler, sure. At the height of his growth to power, not even his height of his power.
Starting point is 00:15:36 his lead-up, I'd say it'd be good time for Hitler to get COVID and maybe he wouldn't have done all the things he did. But outside of that, I got people I dislike greatly. I don't want them to get this. You're a better man than me because I've got Aria Stark's list right here of who I would like a non-fatal, a COVID experience to happen to. Well, there you have it. And non-fatal, maybe.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Oh, ha. I will hire, the American people. Yeah, so I don't, I don't recommend it. It's bad. And, you know, my experience with it, notwithstanding, you know, try not to get it, try not to give it to each other. The thing is, you know, we're heading into high infection time of the year. A lot of family get-togethers and groups. Do you, by the way, were you able to kind of trace it back?
Starting point is 00:16:24 Do you think you know where it might have come from? Oh, we absolutely do. So I forgot to mention that. And this is not to call them out because they did. They stock somebody. Well, and they didn't know either. It's not their fault. Of course.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Of course, yes. Jim and Robin Jensen came by the house a week ago today and we hung out for a while and they brought gifts for Kim's birthday and they were very brought some baby stuff and hung out with Van and you know we were all we were here Taylor was here at the babies and it was me and Kim and then they just showed up and she was about to have another surgery so we were checking in on her and all that very wonderful nice yeah they are the absolute nicest people like the cards we get from them on a regular basis are she's so talented in those generous and nicest things she's so good at those i don't know how she does those but anyway she's they're amazing people
Starting point is 00:17:10 they didn't know it but they had covid coming in yeah so they gave it to us they started feeling rotten just before we did um that wednesday i guess and then by friday or thursday kim kim was was saturday whatever it was kim was really sick and i'm like oh please let me dodge this and i started feeling bad that day so it all kind of cascaded from there i think they're doing okay I think Jim got it worse than Robin did. That's what I usually hear is that in married couples, one of the other gets it worse than the other one does. For sure.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Tina definitely had it worse than I did. Yeah, we didn't get it at the same time. We got it months apart, but she definitely had it worse than I did. I was talking to Justin, and he said that his wife had it way worse than he did. Other people I talk to her locally, same thing, but flip, like the guy had it worse, the lady barely had it. My sister barely had it, but my brother-in-law had it really bad. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:18:02 So, like, there's usually this disparity that I'm used to hearing about. Yeah. Kim and I had none of that disparity. We were dead on every day for the same symptoms. She was just a day ahead of me. So she would feel a little better one day and I'd be like, oh, please let that be me tomorrow. And sure enough, the next day, I would feel a little better in whatever regard she was feeling better the day before. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:22 But she had it just as bad as me. And I don't know if we're sick of each other or not. Probably not. But we watched, we binge watch a lot of things. sure and it was good you know we watched all of avenue five until until we get new episodes and loved it so years later i finally watched the thing everybody told me to watch um what else we watch you finally watched the thing that i recommend told a couple uh like a month ago yeah and then almost recommended it this week so i'm glad i'm glad that came up um what else uh there was
Starting point is 00:18:57 something else oh and then last i was this is actually what i did want to mention this um last night i watched that new, I forgot the name of it. Spirited. Spirited, thank you. I keep getting mixed up with Enchanted for some reason. Yeah, which is another thing. It's a big musical take on the Dick and Story, the Scrooge thing. And I went in actually very low expectation.
Starting point is 00:19:20 I didn't think I was going to like it. I just thought this is a little too much. You've been burned by Scrooge's. I have been burned. Comptly comedic take on. Yeah. I mean, look, I know there are a lot of people love Scrooge. I think Scrooge is kind of bad.
Starting point is 00:19:32 and so know that about me going in here but i like generally speaking i like these kind of things i like adaptations of the christmas carol sure um and i like when they get creative and go different directions or whatever this is that and it's very good and it's a musical and if you don't like musicals i think you might still like it because i don't generally love musicals i don't mind them um but this one really worked for me and i thought will feral and ryan reynolds and um tracy morgan of all people Oh, really? Okay. I didn't know. The only two people I knew that were on this are Ryan and Will Ferrell. So cool. And you'll see a bunch of people. There's a bunch of cameos and a bunch of other people you didn't expect to see it. It's subversive. It takes the whole thing and flips it on its head in some ways. It does some weird world building I didn't expect. I was surprised how much I liked it. It was pretty great. How would I compare it to? I mean, I would probably put it right up with Muppets. Muppets is my favorite of the Christmas Carol things. Which brings me to this final point, and that is this. So I'm not going to spoil anything or say anything else, except it's wonderful and you should see it. It's an Apple TV Plus. It's an Apple original.
Starting point is 00:20:40 Sure. Oh, Octavia Spencer's really good in it, too. Oh, cool. Cool. Oh, that's right. I didn't know that she was in that. Yeah. She's a very different thing for her, and she's got pipes. That girl can sing. Cool. Anyway, something happened, and I'd love to blame it on COVID, but I can't blame this on COVID. I'm watching it, and I'm like, how can they just keep showing the one Marley guy? Where's the other Marley? Like, where's,
Starting point is 00:21:04 Hey, Jake, Jacob Marley, where's your brother? How can me, this movie decided not to have anything with the brother? And I went, oh, shit, Scott,
Starting point is 00:21:13 this is all in your head. This is because the Muppets took the two dudes in the balcony and made them Marley and Marley. Oh, gotcha. I was like, I don't remember a Marley brother. So Statler and Waldorf and the Muppets Christmas Carol were.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah, they do their home. We're Marley and Marley. They're like, they basically, that, that, the Muppet one took.
Starting point is 00:21:32 liberties and said, well, what if they were brothers? And we'll use Statler and Waldorf as the brothers, and it'll be funny. And it was, and it's great. It's a perfect way to use those two. But I had so cemented that in my head that when I see any other version of this, I'm bugged that there's only one
Starting point is 00:21:48 dude in there. That there's just Jacob Marley, and that's it. So the Muppets have, not ruined, but the Muppets have altered. Have altered your, right, what you think is is Christmas story or Christmas Carol lore. Yeah, Muppet alteration has occurred in my head.
Starting point is 00:22:05 And I'm not sure I can change it. But Kim's looking to me like, what are you talking about? I'm like, aren't there two? She's like, I think you're thinking. And what happened to the 17 ghosts of Christmas past and future and present? The ghost of Christmas trash cans or the ghost of Christmas imaginary elephant-looking things. Of course, all those things. What happened to the little red one you can tickle?
Starting point is 00:22:26 The ghost of Christmas throwing fish. What happened to that guy? Oh, now that guy. Bring him back. But anyway, it was really fun. fun. I think you all should see it. We were going to watch it this weekend and we've not gone to a drag show last night. Oh, that was a drag show.
Starting point is 00:22:41 It was a drag show. That was not a woman that you were looking at that photo I sent you. And I couldn't do much more than that because they had a relatively strict no phone rule. Although you'd think they'd be like, oh yeah, if you like what you see, take a picture of us. But it was, we went to a. Was it because of the shooting? I wondered about the. as a geriatric drag show.
Starting point is 00:23:01 Oh, geez. There was no performer there under the age of 50. Most of them were in their 70s. Do you think they were weird about cameras because of the shooting over in Colorado Springs? No, no, because they actually did talk about that separately. You could not, right? I mean, you know, you're going to a drag show with several transgender performers, not just men in drag, but actual transgender performers.
Starting point is 00:23:27 and so that that absolutely came up several times during the show as like in a moment of silence and and you know talking about people that they knew who were there and bartenders and stuff like that so that was that was heavy duty but yeah i i've been to two other drag shows here in denver place called hamburger mary's which is really cool uh and then a place in norleans Tina, when we were there in February that was also a drag show. Is the hamburger Marys one, the one
Starting point is 00:24:02 with the guy that... Yes, the jeller shots on the bare butt cheeks guy. Yeah, okay, I remember this now. Yes, that's what I said to know that. And all three of those experiences, the performers actually sang to a pre-recorded track, like it was a karaoke
Starting point is 00:24:18 track with no vocals, and the performers sang. Yeah. In 99% of the performances last night were lip-sinking. and in some cases it was almost as if the performers had never heard the song they were lip syncing to before
Starting point is 00:24:35 it's like when you're that classic scene from Tommy Boy when it's the end of the world as we know it by REM comes on in the car and they're like that's great it starts with an earthquake Bruce is not a freedom it's kind of like
Starting point is 00:24:52 what the lip syncing was like wow that's unfortunate i thought that stuff was always live singing i guess i guess not i thought so too and we had another we one of our friends that went is an actual uh performer who did some performing as a drag queen before and and we were talking about that and they said oh yeah no and most of the shows i've been to it is they they are lip syncing i'm thinking wow then we've just been lucky and gone to ones where the performers actually had some pipes and singing and that sort of thing but sure it was still a really really good show anyway that's good how many uh did
Starting point is 00:25:25 And, oh, what was I going to say? What does it cost to get into it over 50? This was for a charity event. It was for, normally they do Parkinson's disease because one of the main performers actually performs, and she has Parkinson's. Although I don't know if she's transgender, so I don't know. It could be misgendering him or her. Because some people are just there to get up on stage performing and they go home.
Starting point is 00:25:55 and play dad and do all the normal... Right, right. Anyway, it was $5, and then of course you bring a couple $20 bills, turn those into singles, and then they either walk around or you go up to the stage in the case of the 85 and 90-year-old drag performers, go up to the stage and hand them the dollars, and they just drop it in a bucket. They're not coming out to the fringe of the stage anymore.
Starting point is 00:26:20 They're not going to go out and work the crowd, because it's got to be something like the extended version. version of in a gada de vita for them to have enough time to make it through the rows of tables to get around hats off to him though for performance for sure oh yeah it was a great it was a really good performance and they were like yeah we were trying to decide if we were going to cancel the night's show and we said nope the show must go on we're not going to hide we're not going to um cower down we're going to especially because this is for such a good cause that we're going to you know we're going to do it yeah if that shooter kid um real quick here did you know the
Starting point is 00:26:54 Did you know that one of the symptoms of your friends getting severe COVID is that you don't get your car for a week? Were you aware of that? Yeah, I'm very, very aware of that, Scott. Yeah, we got back from Orange County and I was all excited to, well, let me be excited, but anticipating having to lift that Friday after we got back to start making some money back for the trip. And on the first ride, the first lift ride that morning, the check engine light comes on. Like, while I'm actually in the middle of a ride. And then the car definitely feels throttle. Like, I was going 55 on a, you know, on this road.
Starting point is 00:27:34 All of a sudden, it's like I cannot get the car to go over 30 or 40 unless I'm going downhill. I'm like, well, this is crap. So I get the guy to where he needs to go and shut off lift and then pull up, you know, both Google to look up the code and also immediately get online to the dealership that I usually go to for service and say, all right, you know, I've got a problem. I need to bring it there now. What's, how soon can we look at it? And it's basically like, oh, it's Friday? Cool.
Starting point is 00:28:05 The soonest we can see you is Wednesday. Oh, geez. Really? All right. So I then get Midas, which is the second place that we normally go. Yeah. Tell them the store and they're like, oh, yeah, no, bring it in now. We can actually take a look.
Starting point is 00:28:19 We can do the, we can do the diagnostics and figure out what the problem is. Get it there and kind of, you know, as somebody described in the chat, limp mode, with my hazards on, basically taking as many streets where I don't need to go over 35 or 40, get it there. They run the code and say, okay, well, here we go. Here's the code. It's a P1, 326. They basically plug in a little machine into the little thing in the car. Right. And they say, okay, well, it's either being caused by this recall.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Recall, recall, that was for the wiring harness sensor to basically, it's a sensor that determines if your car, your engine is knocking, if it's got a lot of movement. Sure. And so it's either this recall that causes this problem, or your engine is knocking and it's, you know, shaking and you're going to throw a rod and die. Damn. In the middle of the highway or something. So I'm like, oh, okay, well, I'm not sure I'm pretty sure I had all the recalls done unless this is a new one. And they said, yeah. So if you just take it to your dealership, they'll, you know, if it's the recall, they're certified to perform that recall.
Starting point is 00:29:35 It'll be, it'll cost you nothing. And then if it's not, then, you know, you're already there to have it solved. Sure. So I, then I actually call and speak to somebody at the dealership. And I say, hey, here's the deal. It could either be this recall thing or it could be a much bigger issue. and the person I speak to there or I'm really frustrated with
Starting point is 00:29:53 says oh no problem I can actually get you in today to look at that can you get it here in the next hour I'm like yes and so I arrange a tow truck I have it I'm not going to drive it at this point I tow it from Midas to the dealership
Starting point is 00:30:08 and I let them know they're like okay let us know when it's going to arrive you don't need to be here with it when it arrives but let us know when it's on its way and what the towing company is and that sort of thing. That sounds like people are on it. To me, that sounds like they're ready.
Starting point is 00:30:22 They're rocking. Does, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it went great after that. So I do my part, Scott, and I have the car towed there. And I called them and I let them know who's bringing it.
Starting point is 00:30:33 And I tell them, oh, it's just arrived. You should be seeing the guy right now. Like, great. Okay, sounds good. We'll let you know what we find out when we do the diagnostics. That was early afternoon, Friday. Yeah. And Friday afternoon, that was the last I heard from them.
Starting point is 00:30:51 I called to check and say, hey, if you had a chance to look at it, called late afternoon. Nope. Okay. What about, you know, Saturday morning? Nope, no response. Like, not even a call back, not even a response to say, oh, sorry, we haven't had a chance to look at it. Just no communication whatsoever. Just nothing.
Starting point is 00:31:12 Nothing. Monday, I call, hey, just want to make sure you got my car. oh yeah we got it this time I'm talking to a different person I'm talking to a person whose name I'm not going to say sure yep we got it haven't had a chance to look at it yet okay
Starting point is 00:31:28 do you know when you're going to be able to yeah I don't know could be could be later what Free Rangers their hours they are open from 8 to noon on Saturday so they're you know they could have they could have had a chance to look at it on Saturday yeah
Starting point is 00:31:44 and I'll kind of shortened this to a, you know, shorter story, even though it's too late for me not to make a long story short. But so far, we're on day whatever nine of me not having the car. They, Carfax basically
Starting point is 00:32:01 tells them that, okay, whenever I didn't take it to them for an oil change, those things should still be reported in Carfax. But apparently some early visits I made to Jiffeylube didn't get logged into
Starting point is 00:32:17 Carfax with my oil changes. So there's a couple early gaps in the requirement that I need to have taken my car for service every X,000 number of miles in order to keep it under warranty. If this thing's under warranty, this engine issue is relatively free for me. I pay for a couple hundred bucks and couple fixes kind of thing. If not, we're looking at a $6,500 cost. And I did poop my pants when they told me that. And apparently the guy there, I don't know if he's just been sitting on his hands or doing whatever, but it's like he's been waiting for me to like say,
Starting point is 00:33:00 let's get this thing fixed, even though that's kind of what I said on Monday and Tuesday. Oh, on the Friday before, and every call that I've placed, let's get this thing fixed and I'll figure out the either warranty or whatever. So finally, Friday, I actually drive there. Because he's not returning my calls. He's not doing anything.
Starting point is 00:33:18 I just get Tina's car and I drive to the freaking dealership and I get in his face. And I say, okay, number one, let's get the process started. Oh, okay. Well, I have to order the parts and they're probably going to be five to seven business days. And five to seven business days on a week where a couple of those business days are not business days because of Thanksgiving and probably the Friday after. Right. It's like, well, what have you? Why didn't you order?
Starting point is 00:33:45 the parts the day i like you know yeah why didn't this happen when the problem was yeah when when the when you had all the excited person who said bring it down we'll take care of it what why not then yeah and he is so freaking vague and grunting these one word answers to me when i'm trying to say all right well what's the process then with getting key to pay for this so i actually i want to get this in writing so i emailed you have i have his email address emailed him and ccd the the GM of the shop, of the dealership, and said, here's my exact email really quickly. While we're waiting for the parts to come in for my 2014 Kia Soul,
Starting point is 00:34:22 I'm going to be calling Kia from the number you gave me yesterday to talk to them about this being covered under warranty. A couple questions, so I'm prepared for the call. Have they already said they won't be covering the partial cost of the repair? Or have you not submitted anything while I've been finding the records of the gaps in the Carfax report? Does a payment request get submitted to them at the end of the repair process? So the three questions right there. Also, can you give me a better description of what's specifically wrong with the engine so I can be more educated about it when I talk to them, question mark?
Starting point is 00:34:50 So far, we know the diagnostic return to P-1326 code, and you said there was some scoring in the combustion chamber, but I need to know more when I talk to them. They must hate it. When their customers know their homework, they must hate this. They must. So, you know, that's a fairly detailed and a lot of questions in that email. I got a response a couple hours later. I'm putting it in our Discord because I'd like you to read the nine-word response that I got back from the service manager. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:35:26 Okay. Do you see it in Discord? Oh, hold on. It's not popping. Why, am I in the wrong group? Oh, maybe you're in the wrong group. I'm in the wrong group. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:35:40 this is it, this is all you got. Yes, this is the response I got. Yes, that, that the correct of the cylinder wall uscored. What the hell happened? Did he break? That is the response that I got to four very well thought out questions that would have helped me with my call to, uh, to Kia service. Oh my gosh, dude. I mean, that's not even, did you look at it when you hit send? Like, what, what did he do? I did. I read it like, like, what, what did he did? I did. I read it, like, I read it, it didn't take very long because that's nine words, but I read that thing over and over to like, oh,
Starting point is 00:36:17 can I parse some additional answers to my questions out of these nine horribly put together words that... Look at this chat room. I just put it up in the chat so I can read it in whole letters. Yes, the correct, the cylinder wall, a scored.
Starting point is 00:36:35 I don't even know how to it. I can't even start to interpret that. I know. I mean, he's just basically saying yes that's correct the cylinder wall is scored and and even like if that is the response then that's amazing yeah oh my god so yeah so my anger right now is you know i'm at i'm at defcon before probably right now and uh yeah uh and his cc by the way when he replied he didn't reply back to the the gm it was just just back to me of course he did because of course he did and in the complete in the continual lack of
Starting point is 00:37:10 professionality, dude doesn't know how to reply to all or probably doesn't want to because, you know, his boss has already broke in with this. Right, exactly. He certainly doesn't want to show his, you know, ability to provide
Starting point is 00:37:22 real good customer service back to his GM. So as it stands right now, are they going to, how long do you have to wait now? Do you know what the progress is? I mean, I'm still waiting for parts to come in. I'm going to talk to Kia service today
Starting point is 00:37:34 and appeal to them and say, look, here's the deal. I did take it in for regular service during that time, Jiffy Lube split into two franchises here in Denver a few years ago, and they don't have records that go far enough back. Lame. And they're the only ones, I mean, I can put in, I can go into Carfax, and I can say, but it's going to say, user-added, you know, these user-added oil change description on this date,
Starting point is 00:38:06 and user-added oil change description on this date. but at least, you know, Jiffy Lube would be able to make it look official, or it would be official from Jiffy Lube. Right. Anyway. Wow, dude, that sucks. So I'm, you know, and if it, I just got to, I've got to get the car back. I haven't been able to lift. This would have been a great week for me to lift while you were sick
Starting point is 00:38:23 because I could be working every day. Yeah, no, it was perfect. Like, I mean, sure, you could have taken the car and winged it, but you shouldn't have to. Plus, they should have been way better than this. That's bad. Why does it feel like all these kinds of companies are bad, right now. I know they've always not been great, but it feels like it's a little worse.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Yes. You know? Like the guy Applebee's gave you a hard, gave you a hard time. The dude of the Jiffy Loob sucks. It seems like all of these like walk in, have your shit done places are in a weird place right now. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I don't like it. We had 10 and I had the last, you know, seven years. We only keep the last seven years of, of, of bills and invoices because of tax returns and stuff. But we had that like spread out all over the dining room table, like going item by item trying to find those things. And sadly, the ones they're looking for would be
Starting point is 00:39:12 before that time. So Damn, dude. Yeah. It's like whatever, I'm prepared to friggin' eat the cost if I have to. I don't want to, but I'm going to do what I can. I'm going to call Kia today and say hey, can you help her brother out? Yeah, dude. When Brian told me this kind of short version of this on text,
Starting point is 00:39:31 I was kind of, I was actually livid because I hate car shit. And Kim goes, what's the matter? I go, Brian's story is now our story. It's everyone's story. We should all be pissed at this. Freaking F-car people. That's so bad.
Starting point is 00:39:46 Oh, my gosh. Well, anyway, I hope it's resolved soon. We are going to also resolve another part of our lives. And it begins with this. Hey, look who it is. Brian Dunaway is joining us here on the old show, doing a little half-asses with us here on a Monday. Hi, Brian.
Starting point is 00:40:03 Welcome back. A ye old show. Oh, hi, Scott and Brian. hi oh hi hi we missed you yeah we missed you you know i miss you guys yeah well we talked to you saturday so we really miss you it was okay well i guess so fine i don't miss it all then all right forget it goodbye you talk me you talk me out of it i'm i'm no longer miss you well it's good to have you here we're gonna play uh play some half asses and uh do it kind of a weird it's almost uh 10 o'clock but we don't care all right today's weird we don't
Starting point is 00:40:29 have uh normal stephen we got dan sitting in for him a little bit later oh we do okay yeah he's good so we're we're all good even uh dan dan dan steven uh dan Stephen. Hey, let's get straight to it. Brian, explain this game what Brian and I have to do and who might win some prizes today. I don't know. I'll tell you all of those things. Welcome to the morning, half asses, a trivia game where I'm actually going to be giving Scott and Brian the answers. I'm going to give him a category and six possible answers. Three of those answers are correct. Three of those answers are bogus. Depending on how confident you feel with the category. You can give me one, two or three guesses. But if any of those guesses are wrong, you get zero points for that round. Getting one right gets a point. Getting two or two. right gets you three points and getting all three correct gets you five points but if you get any of them wrong you get zero player with the most points after three rounds
Starting point is 00:41:14 wins the prize for their contestant and I pulled a couple contestants for members of the tadpool that aren't able to be here live Scott you're going to be playing for Jostin in Oslo Norway oh okay oh Norway oh nice Norway and Brian you're going to be playing for Danny in
Starting point is 00:41:31 Columbia Maryland Oh Danny Columbia It's not quite Columbia South Carolina, but it's not It's a whole different Columbia. Yeah. But it's also not Colombia of South America.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's true. It isn't a whole different state. That's true. All right. So, let's get to this and I'll tell you the prizes after we play the game. First category, sirs, for you. Okay. Let's go history. World history, because I know you love world history.
Starting point is 00:42:01 Yeah, I'm big fan. Codenames for D-Day beaches. So, you know, the beaches that they landed on D-Day, June 6th. On D-Day. On D-Day. Here are your choices. Utah.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Silver, Tallon, Cross, Juneau, and Sword. Well, I know two of these for sure. Okay. I might go three. I feel like I know three. I'm going to really wing it here with the three. Okay. You know, with three?
Starting point is 00:42:35 You know, I've been really sick. With the one. I'm sure my mind's not addled enough Is it be a problem? Right, exactly. This is fine. I forget. COVID morning half-asses.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Post-COVID morning half-asses should be great. All right. Utah. You guys both locked in on Utah. Yeah, of course, Utah. Utah. Yeah. I think that was the code for Normandy was Utah.
Starting point is 00:42:56 I think so as well, right? I think so, but I can't be sure. And Juno, Scott, you also said that is correct as well. But Talon is not correct. correct. Brian gets a point because he just settled on Utahans. Yeah. Yeah. But Sword, Utah, Juno, and Sword are the three that we're looking for. So, you know what? It's not even retrospect. Does that sound right? Sword sounds just wrong to me, but I guess it clearly. Because Utah and Juno makes sense, but then Sword. It's like, and then Sword. It's like, and then Sword. Yeah. Oh, well. That's all right. That's right. There's still a chance. And then tip. Let's go to something that's even more important than world history, something that's even more reflective of who we are as a culture and as a society. Question number two is Justin Bieber songs.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Which of these are actual Justin Bieber songs? Choices are, ee-meany, one less lonely girl. You're just in time, catching feelings. I heart emoji love and so sophisticated. Which of these are actual Justin Bieber Sundance? It can't be your just in time.
Starting point is 00:44:08 It can't be. Right, nobody... Oh, shit. E meanie? I'm doing one. I can't... Doing one. Too lucky I'm giving you to that.
Starting point is 00:44:21 I don't know any of these things. All right, you guys are both locked in. Scott, you've got one less lonely girl. And bribe, bribi, you've got eye emoji. a heart emoji love. I love love. I guess one of you is correct. One of you is incorrect.
Starting point is 00:44:38 And it's Scott this time. Yeah. Well done. A point for Scott. And no points for Brian. There's an Eni-Meany song. That sounds. There is a song called Eni-Meany.
Starting point is 00:44:47 I almost did the Eni-Meany. It felt right. Ine-mini, one less lonely girl and catching feelings. I hate everything about this list. It gave me a bad case of the feelings. Yeah. That's right. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:45:00 He was singing something about a ghost yesterday. That's popular right now, I think. Some ghost song. Yeah. But I don't follow Bieber. Well, there was that song that he did a couple years ago, or maybe last year that I kind of liked, which was, I'm not even going to bother trying to remember the lyrics or singing it, but it's like, you know, talking about, I get my oranges. Where a friend? No, it was like a recent, like Justin Bieber with his, with his pedophile mustache going on.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Yeah, his pet a stash. It always makes me laugh because I'll hear a Bieber song and I'm like, hey, that's not a bad song. And then I'm like, who sings that? Oh. Right. Yeah, it totally is. It totally is like, oh. I don't even know.
Starting point is 00:45:41 I don't even think I hate him. I just don't follow. I just don't know. But I got a point. So, hey, Bieber and I. You got a point. So, all right. We are going into the last question tied.
Starting point is 00:45:52 I love this. God loves Bieber. Yeah. And let's go to our first president and, you know, cut down the cherry. tree. We'll not tell a lie, all that stuff. Oh, I'm talking about George Washington. Come on now. I'm kidding.
Starting point is 00:46:07 George... So not 16. Okay. George had some dentures. But what were those dentures made from? Three of these are things that George Washington had dentures made from. Are they? Donkey teeth. Frosted glass. Gold.
Starting point is 00:46:22 Hippo ivory. Sandstone and pine wood. Let me ask you this. Three of these things are real. Are all three of these made up one set of dentures or are we talking three sets of dentures three sets of dentures like so basically he probably tried this one and said oh that didn't work and then tried this other one is oh that didn't work or yeah all right well i'm going all in because why not i'm guessing i'm going to
Starting point is 00:46:48 i'm going all half half asses okay oh gosh i hope that's right all right oh i love this i love this all right Gold, you guys both settled on gold. And he did have teeth made of gold. A set of dentures that were made out of gold. The original gangster. Yeah. That's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:47:08 His grill. George Washington's grill. Scott, you also said donkey teeth. Yeah. Guess what? He did have a set of dentures made from donkey teeth. Really? Sweet.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Brian said hippo ivory. Yeah. And yes, he did have, really, stayed from hippo ivory. That is hilarious. Apparently not. That's a lie. I would have thought that, you know, we always hear about, oh, yeah, did you hear George Washington wooden teeth? No, apparently not.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Yeah, I heard that was a lie. At least not had wooden teeth. See, I thought that was true. I didn't know. Sandstone, probably one of the, well, a tie between sandstone and frosted glass as to the worst things you could have ditches made from. What is hippo ivory, like straight off a hippo's horn or hippo's teeth? Hi, hippos, uh, tusks. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Oh, yeah. I don't ever think of those as a thing you'd want to keep. They're so gnarly and, like, steady. Right, because they're so short. Yeah, you just, If you, if you, uh, sand the outside of it, I guess it's probably just fine ivory inside it. I guess so. Brian, you scored big time on yours.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Geez, Louise us. Right. So off of my like three in a row, zeros. And then last week I got a one. And this week, I win. Oh, you've redeemed yourself, my friend. You've redeemed yourself. How do you feel?
Starting point is 00:48:22 Who, actually, who was Scott getting COVID? I'm sticking advantage of Scott's COVID brain for as long as you can. Who had, who's our big winner then of these team fine people? Our big winner is going to be Danny in Columbia, Maryland. Congratulations, Danny. You're getting a copy of Book of Demons and System Shock Enhanced Edition on Steam. But Justine in Norway, you're not going away empty-handed. You're getting Driftland, the Magic Revival on Steam.
Starting point is 00:48:47 All of these are good. Courtesy of Weisler. They're all excellent games. In particular, the one, the two that you'd mentioned for our winner today, let me pull it back up. Book of Demons and System Shock. Book of Demons is the raddest little weird game. It's like Diablo, but turn-based, but everything's made of paper.
Starting point is 00:49:06 I can't even explain it. It's the weirdest, coolest game. So he truly did win. Made a paper. Yeah, made a paper. You ever seen paper? Congratulations. You're a winner.
Starting point is 00:49:14 Congratulations. To both of you, really. And mostly to Brian Dunaway for coming back and hanging out with us today. It's been a real treat. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Thanks for doing that, man. Tomorrow we'll finally get around to an episode of Play Retro we've been holding
Starting point is 00:49:28 on to for a week and a half. And that'll be finally happening. We're talking about Balders Gate one and two. Oh, cool. If you're a fan of the Balders Gate and original bioware games, you're going to be stoked about that. Plus, we got a third one on its way, and so it seemed like a good time to talk about it.
Starting point is 00:49:44 That'll be on Play Retro, where all your retro video game news and talk happens over at FrogPants.com slash Play Retro. Brian Dunaway, do you have anything else you'd like to offer to the fine people here right now? I'm glad you feeling bitter, Scott. Thanks, man. You too. No you. No you.
Starting point is 00:49:59 what I meant by I mean of the COVID's in our groups I think maybe me and Dunaway had the most similar experience yeah I think so too but I think he had it prior to maybe there was one Vax when he got it I don't remember maybe yeah mine's the BA freaking Q whatever the new one is right and I you know I had a crappy flu experience but even that still wasn't you know that plus the two booster sicknesses or after effects that I got, I still don't think even came close to one day of the crap you went through. Plus it was like, what a shitty bunch of turn of events? Brian gets the flu.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Yeah. And he's all sick and down. So we, you know, thankfully I had some co-host step in. I'm thinking, yeah, I got the flu shot plus all these boosters. That doesn't matter what happens to me. I'm going to Texas next week. everything's going to be great just all of it then your car thing i just feel like the the i don't know the sirens are out to get us right now but you know and if i weren't i'm such a happy go lucky
Starting point is 00:51:04 guy scott i like to let this stuff just kind of roll off my back but when you feel less lucky the happy go lucky doesn't work as well no the happy goes a little bit and the lucky leaves that's right yeah and then nobody's logan lucky all right let's do that oh quick follow-up Was it you that said I should watch the Channing Tatum What's her name? Rom-com thing out in the jungle? Oh, no, it definitely wasn't me.
Starting point is 00:51:32 That was Randy who recommended Sandra Bullock, Channing Tatum, Lost City. Lost City, is that it? Yeah. Okay. That was, we watched that. That was great. That was a good time.
Starting point is 00:51:44 That's a thing that's better than it has any right to be 100%. 100%. clone of uh... uh... uh...
Starting point is 00:51:52 romancing the stone basically yeah and the last I think the final last bit is real stupid and kind of formulate but everything up to that
Starting point is 00:52:01 like the comedy is like legit and it made me like uh what's his hunky more than I used to before yeah this is a good time
Starting point is 00:52:08 and kind of Brad Pitt for that matter yeah and I didn't even know he was in it that was a big surprise amazing little short roll and I thought um uh
Starting point is 00:52:16 Harry Potter was really good in it again his name Dan a ragcliffe. Degger Radcliffe is the villain. Yeah. He was really funny and interesting and, you know, different than I expected. So anyway, that's not a bad movie to spend your time with.
Starting point is 00:52:28 I liked it. All right. Let's take a break. When we come back, Dan, Dan the Tabletop Man. Yeah, that's right. Steven's out for the week for his holiday, starting early. He's doing some traveling, seeing some family. And we'll not be here today.
Starting point is 00:52:40 So we've got Dan stepping in. We're going to talk a couple of things. I got a couple of COVID treatment questions for this guy. Oh, interesting. We'll recommend some board games. Don't worry, okay? We've got your tabletop ideas in mind. Before all that, though, Brian's got a song when you got to play it.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Yep, and this music break is brought to you by. Are you forced to be an adult and do responsible things like job, bills, and or parent? Would you rather be doing fun things like FPS, RPG, and or TCG? Then take a listen to the part-time gamers, the gaming podcast for people with full-time lives, SirenX, 9 of 12, Mr. Bingo, and the occasional guest. discuss a different game each week that can be played to satisfaction on a busy schedule. You can catch the show live
Starting point is 00:53:24 Sunday nights at 9.30 Eastern Time at Twitch.tv slash Syrenx or listen to it later on the podcast app of your choice. And this Sunday, the 27th, we have the covermaster himself joining us to nerd out about Marvel Sappen Sappen Sapp Sapimann. Snipe. Sinepe?
Starting point is 00:53:42 Snipe. Something like that. Some Marvel game. Come see what we have to say about the newest edition to the MCU world. That's this Sunday at 9.30 Eastern Time at Twitch.tv. TV slash Sirnax. Interesting. Does that mean Snap is part of the MCU? Or I wouldn't think so, right? No, it really doesn't. I guess it's not really MCU. I just didn't want to say Marvel World again, even though that's what they had in the text. Marvel, Marvel, Marvel. I was like, yeah, MCU. But there's, you know, there's no,
Starting point is 00:54:09 there's, so far, none of the cards have, like, the actor, they look like the actors who've played the parts. It's very much based on the comic. I was wondering if they were going to do any at a crossover on that certainly could right i mean we could see that i was surprised we didn't see that with wakonda forever or anything like that sure yeah they'll probably have more crossover as time goes on yeah anyway let's do a song what do you got over there i have got a song scott for you that's uh by a band from detroit they're an experimental slash noise rock band but don't be afraid of that this is really cool they have a uh sophomore album called tragic comedy which just came out this last weekend
Starting point is 00:54:48 So this is brand new. The song is called Fortune Teller. Here are The Messenger Birds. Feel you tired in my grief. How could I still be so paralyzed and depressed? Well, happiness is a thin mess. Go put through the pain blast. It often blamed you for the mess.
Starting point is 00:55:18 When everything looks dead, it's hard to feel alive. I leave the little house, I don't want to go outside. Can't escape my torture to you. Everything I think keeps coming true. Got no plans, nothing to do. Throw my life away. I wanted to If I covered up both eyes, you'd call that a fair fight,
Starting point is 00:56:04 Let's get this over quick The bad news comes in an onslaught Well body's piling up We're gonna need a bigger ditch I swear I take my best to meet you where you're at. I'm on keys if you've got a better plan. Can't escape my torture you. Everything I think keeps coming true.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Got no plans, nothing to do. Through our life away, Because I want to Now I'm loving on a deficit It's a feeling that I'm following All I want to do is give in I just got nothing to give Can't escape
Starting point is 00:57:47 torture to you Everything I think He's coming true Got no plans My thing to do Do my life away Because I wanted to Now loving on a deficit
Starting point is 00:58:06 It's a feeling That I'm borrowing All I wanted to Is giving I just got nothing to give Used to be in the olden days That it was okay when Miss America waved you And her underarm waved back
Starting point is 00:58:31 These aren't tentacles, they're genticles! but that boy's going to get a whoop in anyway. And we have returned, because I can't remember anything, please repeat the name of that song. Well, it's been three and a half minutes, God, I totally understand. That is a song called Fortune Teller by Band, The Messenger Birds, from their brand new album, Tragic Comedy. Very, very nice.
Starting point is 00:59:12 It's a great little contradictory term. I like that. It is. uh oxymorons right tragic comedy yeah if i was naming a band i would aim for something similar to that i think sure like wet rain i would my uh my artist's name uh would be fitty centaur oh i like fitty centaur that's pretty good fitty centaur i'd be we're gold chains and have a horse's body walking up in the club we got my four legs in my club that's right exactly don't ask me to rhyme today came up with that last week and i was going to draw it and i decided not
Starting point is 00:59:45 I'll just sit on it for when the moment arises in the moment. You should have drawn it. I would love that. You got to draw it. It's good. Okay. Maybe I'll still draw it. All right.
Starting point is 00:59:54 Let me know how that goes. We're going to bring in our old pal, Dan. It's been a bit and always talking to him or talking to him is always fun, is what I meant to say. So we're going to ring him, see if we can get him. Let's get him. He's a busy boy. He's got stuff going on. So we're going to see what we can do here.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Where the hell is his thing? Oh, I know where. Hold on. I forgot. We moved this for Dan. Here's a tangent for him. be careful may cause drowsiness that's right dan dan the tabletop man joining us after about a month or so uh dan it's always good having you here thanks for stepping in today
Starting point is 01:00:26 greetings programs i'm uh extremely happy to be back i just actually got back from detroit yeah what were you doing to detroit more uh hockey stuff or what's going on over there no actually i was just visiting some buddies up there you know every now and then we do like a friend con where we just kind of have like a a bunch of us just go to somebody's house and we just play games for like three days. That's great. Do you call it FriendCon? Like, do you have to get tickets in advance?
Starting point is 01:00:51 Well, so the guys are Matt Riddle and Ben Pinchback and Adam Hill. So they're kind of from Motor City GameWorks. So we call it kind of like Motor CityCon because they're off in Detroit. But yeah, it's funny because they were going to, they made up like a little poster just for, you know, chits and giggles. So it was a fun time, you know, because I haven't, it's hard to get together with people because everybody's busy. Everybody's got stuff going on. Nobody, you know, and everybody's got a little bit of the. of the Johnson vid so nobody really wants to get sick so this stuff you plan far enough in advance
Starting point is 01:01:20 and you really look forward to it pretty much like all year so it was a it was a great time but man it is cold as hell in the north but I'm not sure if you're aware of that yeah it's cold here I can't imagine what it's like in Detroit right now it's got to be freezing I think it was like 18 one night yeah and it snowed when we first got in so it's fine because down here in North Carolina it's kind of coldish but sure I still sit you know in you know when the weather outside is frightful I still sit here and work in my uh in my shorts and t-shirt as i you know work from home so sure sure delightful i spent um i was only i was only in detroit for a little bit for for a layover so i've never actually seen the city or anything but um it was in the middle of late october and i thought
Starting point is 01:02:00 it was cold and the guy i remember saying something as i was walking into the back into the place or something and somebody heard me that lived there i said boy it's cold outside it's cold in detroit and this guy laughed at me for like 10 minutes. It's like you have no ideas. Like basically just saying you have no idea. It won't until it's winter. Then it gets really cold. But I don't know why he thought that was so damn funny that I was, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:23 Mr. Fish Out of Water thinking it was cold in Detroit. I really like their airport, though. The airport was rad. It was cool. Yeah, the airport does not give you a good indication of what Detroit is like because it's one of the nicest airports I've ever been in my life. Yeah. It's really nice.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Like super nice and big, cavernous. I went to work to the Detroit Free Press. newspaper back in the day and I could not I could not tell you what the maybe the airport didn't look great in the 90s that could have easily been the case it could have just been possible it has like a tram in the sky
Starting point is 01:02:51 too oh yeah I definitely know I would remember that wow let me tell you the worst that I was in worst airport I ever went to I've said on the show before was was Dallas Fort Worth I hated it there I don't know why I just hate that total runaround I liked Denver for everything except for how big it was
Starting point is 01:03:07 because it just took forever to do anything oh my god if you could walk for days and not get to the other side of the Denver airport. Yeah, it's bad, especially when United F's your flight up and you got to run across both ways and then get on a tram and do it that way, and it was a nightmare. But I really like the airport in general. The one, and ours finally kind of looks like here,
Starting point is 01:03:26 it's like we got our new one now, our 2.0, it looks real good. But the one in Seattle, I thought, oh, I'll get here. This will be some cool hipster shit, American Northwest, you know, everybody's still thinking about Kirk Cobain and his impact. and, you know, you're going to be Seattle, you know. Everything's in flannel. Yeah. Or, you know, Microsoft's here.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Google's here. Like all of that stuff. I thought, well, this will just be reflected in the airport. Nah, that place is a freaking dump. It's a horrible airport. It's garbage. Anyway, no offense, Seattle. I liked everything else about you.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Everything else about you sucked. And the Phoenix one was also bad until recently, but they fixed a bunch of that up. Anyway, we're not here to talk about airports. Dan, I got a question for you. It's COVID-related first. Okay. Pax Lovid. We're going to talk about this just for a second.
Starting point is 01:04:16 So this was called like the, you know, if there was a miracle response to COVID, it was vaccinations. And if there was a miracle treatment for active cases, it was seemed like Pax Lovid was all the talk there for a while. Famously, both Trump and Biden received treatments of Pax Lovid to combat their stuff. And I think even in Biden's case, his rebound version of the virus was attributed to the rare but side effect of sometimes Pax Lovid causing rebounds. And he didn't have a symptomatic rebound, but he did test positive for it months later. And they attributed it to Pax Lovit. Anyway, so there's this whole story behind the drug. It's like, think Tama flu for the flu.
Starting point is 01:05:03 It's meant to combat. It's a perfect way to describe it. It's supposed to combat like the hardcore, severe symptoms, keep you out of the hot. hospital basically. And my doctor had reservations about it. And I talked to a couple of doctor friends, Dan being one of them, who on the pharmaceutical side also said, yeah, it's for the worst cases. You know, it's not this for our grandparents. Like maybe not, you know, if you, if you don't feel like you're going to die, you maybe, maybe not. And I had to say the same thing, my own doctor included. And so I got the prescription. I have the box upstairs. And it sat here the whole time
Starting point is 01:05:40 without me taking it. My question is this, in the delirium of the hideous freaking fever nightmare shit show that was my week last week, how would one know whether they should take it or not? Or how would they know if their stuff is bad, bad enough to like, oh, yeah, this is a Paxilovic case, take that thing, like go for it. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, and nowadays, getting COVID is still kind of rare in people. And if you get it, you're probably only going to get it once for it.
Starting point is 01:06:10 a long time. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like for you probably won't have a severe effect or severe case of it for, you know, a year, two years or such. So if you've already got it and your symptoms have just started and, let's just say you test or, you know, if your symptoms have started, you know you have COVID and it's within, you know, the time of flu was really within like the first 36 hours.
Starting point is 01:06:31 And they say apex all of it is within like five days. Yeah. I'm not sure I buy that. I think that's kind of like early testing. Hey, we have some data for this. so we can claim it. Yeah. So I'm still thinking, just because the way these drugs work with these kind of antivirals, like I'm still thinking you're really looking at 36 to 48 at best hours as far as they're
Starting point is 01:06:52 going to be the peak effect of helping you. So it's really going to decrease the severity of it. And like you said, keep you out of the hospital. So the people that are really going to want to get this or the people that are high risk for the big side effects, if you have underlying, especially if you have things like asthma and just severe diabetes or other conditions that are just going to make you at higher risk to have higher side effects from having COVID. Those are going to be the people that are really going to want it. Kind of like what I always say about like the flu shot.
Starting point is 01:07:22 Like I tell everybody to get the flu shot, but who is really effective for are the people that get the flu a few times a year. It's going to decrease the length and severity of your flu. It may not do anything for, you know, those of us that just don't really ever get the flu, but it's still kind of good to have. packs a little of it. I'm not sure if the benefits to a healthy person now weighs the risk, and it's generally pretty expensive. Scott, was it covered fully or did, I mean, not to, that was the interesting thing. No, no, no. I'm glad you brought that up because you and Tolbert and a bunch of others had said it's very, very expensive and hardly any insurances cover it. So I'm like, well, I'm going to at least ask about it. And in this case,
Starting point is 01:08:01 they claimed anyway, we got it for free, first of all. And we have terrible insurance. So I like, well, how did we get it for free? Apparently, it is still covered by the U.S. government as a quick response, part of the quick response program that they have around COVID, whatever that is now. I don't know if it's state by state or if it's like a, I have no idea. It might be because a lot of those things are going away because you started to see a lot of the free testing start going away because they weren't really reimbursing a lot from the government.
Starting point is 01:08:33 And same thing with like some of the immunizations were that were starting. you weren't seeing it as much because they weren't paying as much or paying at all. So it must be state by state or, again, I'm not in retail anymore, so it's hard to say, I can't say for fact what, with some of the prices of us. I just had, kept reading, kept hearing that this was
Starting point is 01:08:51 a pretty expensive med, but it's good that they're not charging as much still. I mean, passes the, you know, the government's writing all that crap off and, you know, who is, I don't know if it's Pfizer, or whoever makes this, is probably getting fat on nose checks, but it's great that, I mean, if you've got
Starting point is 01:09:07 really probably you could have been good because you could have been good to take it because and of course you can just hold on to it uh you know you don't hold on to it too long it's it's probably got like a two year you know on the on the prescription buy a bottle if they put it in a bottle it'll say automatically like no don't take this after one year that's a this kind of a pharmacy law because once it's not in a controlled state you can't really go by the expiration date on the bottle itself but really that's probably going to be a few years so you can hold on to that uh keep it out of uh the reach of children of course oh yeah uh i mean i I'm going to do it. I'm hanging on to it in case one of these comes back.
Starting point is 01:09:39 Two years from now, let's say, big one happens. I think I'm taking it day one. Yeah. And also, I mean, you don't ever want to share meds with family. That's my official, you know, or family or friends. That's my official stance on this. But since you have a larger family, it may not be a bad idea to keep it on hand. I'm not going to, as a pharmacist, tell you not to give it to them. No, no, no. I get, hey, hey, I'm winking right here as you're talking about.
Starting point is 01:10:07 I'm winking right back at you. No, that makes sense. Like, if my mom caught this, which we, you know, purposely avoided yesterday because we were still showing positive. We didn't go to the big family 30-person get-together. And my mom's 84 and I already breathes funny. I don't think she, this would be bad. And so if she got it, I would probably run this out to her. Well, you would make sure she checks with her doctor first because she, being 84, having underlying conditions, you want to make sure she checks all the boxes.
Starting point is 01:10:34 And again, the benefits have to outweigh the risks, which they more than likely will. But I'm 100% honest here. I wouldn't just give it to her and tell her to take it without checking what a doctor. Now, if her is willing to let her take it, like if he says, yeah, you would benefit and you don't have any of the risk that I would, you know, as far as, you know, kidney liver, blah, blah, blah, like all the things that would be bad to take it. Then I would say, yeah, go ahead and give her yours instead of having her having to go buy it. But as long as he's as long as the doc is okay with that, again, not. my official stance, but I'm really, you know, that I'm going to tell you that, you know, before you do
Starting point is 01:11:08 that, like the official part is let her check with her doctor. The unofficial part is the do not give it to her if he says it's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. I totally get it. Let me ask you this, though. This is a final thing, and this is nothing to do with any of this. I just thought it was funny, and maybe you could give me some insight. Last time I went
Starting point is 01:11:24 in for a full blood work thing, it was some mixed results. One of them was like, well, your cholesterol is a little high, but, you know, we see you got a family history and that. We're going to work on that with this and then. the other and you know and this is a little high and this is normal and this normal most of it was normal holding steady on the blood shug thing like all that stuff's looking good and he says at the end um and this is in writing that i got this report back it says your kidneys are incredible
Starting point is 01:11:51 and i didn't know quite how to i didn't know quite how to take that like he no because they can look at your serum creatinine and then there's all these different calculations they can see your creatin in clearance is that your kidneys work very, very well, which is great to know, especially, you know, with things like cholesterol and, you know, kind of, you know, kind of diabetes, pre-diabetes, things like that. So, I mean, it's good that those are working well because kidneys are kind of a lot of times one of the first things that are affected by things like diabetes and some of the meds. And some of the meds that you've taken into past are renal protective, like some of the ACE inhibitors and the ARBs are renal protective, which is good. So that kind of
Starting point is 01:12:30 helps out that as well. But the other thing I want to say is, if you've got COVID tests at home, Scott, I wouldn't even bother testing anymore because you're only wasting them. I would wait, I would hold on to those to use them later because it doesn't matter what you test because you still don't want to be around anybody
Starting point is 01:12:46 for a little while anyway. I mean, our goal is just trying to... Negative or positive, you're not going to want to be around people for a while, so you might not be... And you could still test positive and you still may not have anything that you can give to people,
Starting point is 01:12:57 especially since that fever's kind of gone away. I mean, I know you're still kind of feel a little crudy and a lot of that gunk that you're going to be coughing and sneezing out for a few weeks because that's that's what i had and um and you're talking about what done away had i had covid before uh anybody even knew a vaccine was in development that's i remember that yeah uh cov yeah and you were talking about french fries and how gross french fries were and they still are kind of like it depends and right now i'm kind of it's funny you know you do little tests and stuff you're like oh uh you know these tastes pretty good i'm like
Starting point is 01:13:25 what oil do you guys use and the people look at you like what are you like well i'm trying to find out like what makes the taste better than some of these other french fries it tastes like ass you know so i mean again anyway staying away from french fries has helped my waistline quite a bit but uh yeah but yeah i mean you'll you'll be coughing in uh that you know your breath you'll be like man i used to be able to run like uh five miles and now like one mile i'm out of breath and you're still not sick but it's just the recovery phase like your uh maximum o2 uh you know your max volume and stuff it's just going to be down until your body clears it until you're until you heal yeah which is nuts well this thing is poop
Starting point is 01:14:03 and I hate it, and I hope no one else ever gets it ever again, all right? Yeah, I mean, I was, like you said, I was on my ass for two solid days, and then it started going away. And just from feeling better, you probably thought you felt better than you really did because you just were like, well, I don't feel like yesterday. I feel like a million bucks, but you still were, you know. Yesterday was like that. I got up and I was like, man, I feel pretty good this morning.
Starting point is 01:14:25 I'm going to walk the dog. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And then by about noon, I'm like, I'm going to lay down. I'm going to take a nap. Yeah. Yeah. So you tell me you watch some, um, some, some,
Starting point is 01:14:33 some Hallmark channel with him because unfortunately unfortunately yes oh come on they're great oh they're not great like I don't want to watch them in the middle of July
Starting point is 01:14:42 they're not great though they're great here's what they are Dan they're porn without the naked people that's all it is like it's bad acting it's bad everything it's just bad
Starting point is 01:14:56 I like me you got Dan I like how your defense of it is you don't want to watch them in July like in other words like you have to watch them. You just don't want to watch them then? Yeah. Yeah. Just July. So you don't want to watch them in July because like the overwhelming complete, you know, most
Starting point is 01:15:11 movies have like, you know, if you're a movie scholar person, it's like, oh, here's the introduction. And then we're crescendoing and we're going to crash on a big conflict and then we'll, we'll seal it. No, a Hallmark movie is just a constant rise. Like there's almost, like the biggest conflict is, oh, I'm in love with Scott, but Scott's moving to the West Coast before Christmas. Yeah. No, he's not. he's going to fall in love with you and then that's going to be ever happily ever after that's the the cool thing about those those hallmark movies is you can actually get the same experience by watching just one storyline from an episode of the love boat it's like oh uh we're competing uh writers from
Starting point is 01:15:50 newspapers and we hate each other because we always have two different sides of the same story and oh my god we're on the same cruise and oh i hate this they put us on the same table at dinner oh no we fell in love you know what you're not right Wrong. The only thing missing is Christmas stuff in it. That's it. Right, exactly. You throw us some Christmas music in, and it's like one, it's one love boat segment, basically. I'm telling Kim this after the show today. She's going to be mad. And they have the same, so they have usually like the same five dudes or same five women, but then they've been using like, so I said Bruce Campbell is going to be on one like next week. And you usually have like, yes. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 01:16:25 And it looks great. I mean, again, temper this. When I say it looks great. It looks great for a hallmark movie. Because it's exactly what you want to be But they have all these It's like people just want to be in them Because Brandon Ralph was in like two of them They were like connected They were like two years apart And they're in the same universe
Starting point is 01:16:43 I saw Katie Sackoff the other day I'm picturing Bruce Campbell one I found this weird book about love In my house and it's got like a human face on It feels like it's made from human skin Oh man Now you're talking about it will it help me Finally reconnect with the bubble gum salesman
Starting point is 01:17:01 that I ditched back in Schenectady, New York, back in 1994. Oh, man, I haven't been to this small town in a long time. Sure is a lot of blood and stuff here, but boy, that girl at a candy store, I've fallen for it. I don't want to go home now.
Starting point is 01:17:14 I'd hug you, but one of my hands is a chainsaw. I mean, look, you're describing exactly something much, but... Oh, yeah, right? Do you think he'll be out, if he's not out like chainsawing a log or something? Oh, he's a lumberjack, actually. Is he really?
Starting point is 01:17:29 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's like a lumberjack, And there's like a legend in this town of, you know, Jack who brings, the guy who brings presents to kids is actually this lumberjack. And it's him, you know, and then the girl doing the story on it is his long-lost daughter. They give you all this in like a two-minute trailer. Okay. So people should watch all the Hallmark movies and really support Hallmark and get them some money because in a perfect world, I'm imagining that Hallmark gets the money to hire folks like Sam Ramey. and David Fincher, and, like, have some directors, you know, a Quentin Tarantino directed Hallmark Christmas movie.
Starting point is 01:18:08 I would, if that is, if that is an end game for this, I'm in. That's how I'll support this. Yeah, Quentin Tarantino directs barefoot in the snow. Why coming this Saturday? Oh, my gosh. That's perfect. That's perfect. Barefoot in the snow.
Starting point is 01:18:21 One fun in Christmas. Coming soon. She works in a small town shoe store. He walked in one day and couldn't believe the feet on display. He has ginormous feet She Show us your feet And they'll all die in a horrible shootout
Starting point is 01:18:37 Anyway, that's amazing I'll watch for that How about I also watch for some cool board games To play during these holidays We've got, you know, people who aren't sick We're all getting together for Thanksgiving Dan, do you got any recommendations for these people? So I got some board game recommendations
Starting point is 01:18:49 I wanted to give you a video game recommendation Real quick because it's pretty new to Steam And we always talk about these kind of Roguelight Ones that we love This one just came out It's called One More Gate, a Wakefu legend. So the art is amazing, and it's another one of these card things,
Starting point is 01:19:05 like a slight aspire type thing with a little bit less of the artifacts. But I don't know the anime or whatever's behind it, but the art is great, and I know it's based on some sort of IP. Can you do the name one more time? What was it? It's called One More Gate, a Wake Fu Legend. So I guess Wake Fu must be what it's based on. It's called Wake Fu Legend.
Starting point is 01:19:27 Oh, there it is. W-A-K-F-U. legend okay oh i always thought that was i'm thinking a wifu which is a whole different thing okay i'm seeing this on steam but it's also it's what the digital version of a board game is what you're saying no no no it's like those other ones those other road lights that uh gotcha like uh right slate spire or a rogue book and things like that yes okay all right uh it's a lot of fun it's a little it's kind of reminds me of the obelisk one where it's a little grindy where you got to like just fail a few times so you can get some resources to pump up your cards right and that's a lot
Starting point is 01:19:59 kind of the whole gist of it. But it's a lot of fun. And the art is amazing because it's a different art style than like what we normally see. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. No, that's cool. I'm looking at it now.
Starting point is 01:20:10 I don't know the anime or whatever this is based on, but I like the look at this a lot. The style is really cool, yeah. Yeah. I like the battle of the combat animation is really nice. This looks pretty good. I'll play this. Yeah, and I don't think it's all that expensive. I mean, I think it's early access too, but it's, but it's solid.
Starting point is 01:20:26 It's a fun game to play. Yeah, it's 18 bucks currently. which is not bad and yeah I'm wishless in this right now I think I'm gonna probably pick this up I mean you know the the winter sales coming you know what in a month or so
Starting point is 01:20:39 so it will probably be able to discount it then if you want to wait until after that sure yeah good point I've been playing non-stop a game called Soulstone Survivors and it's almost all I could play to all I was sick because anything too brainy was not working for me
Starting point is 01:20:53 so I had to play a lot of dumb stuff and that game people are familiar with vampire survivors. It's that, but in 3D with, like, way more depth. It is one of the most addicting damn, like, I don't know, it's like it's a little, it's like a little dopamine pump in my head. Just constantly going, hey, you like that? How about bigger numbers here? Pump, pump, pump. Hey, how about this? You want some of this cool stuff? That one's gold. That one says legendary. Pump, pump, pump, pump. It's like that. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it's really
Starting point is 01:21:21 good. Anyway, all right, well, that's a good one. I'm going to give you three recommendations for games. The last one is the recommendation that I'm going to want, I'm going to kind of give a little synopsis up, but I'm going to cover it more in depth than a later date for us. But these are all great Scott games and great Brian games. This first one is perfect
Starting point is 01:21:39 for a stocking stuffer. This is called Holly Jolly. It's made by 25th century games. It's only about 10 bucks. It's a cool little card drafting game, and you can learn this game in literally like two minutes. You're basically, it's all about getting ornaments or presents from the Christmas tree.
Starting point is 01:21:55 little card game. It kind of has this really cool little drafting mechanism where depending on either tinsel or the lights that you put onto the tree, depending on what number that is, then you can draft either ornaments or presents from the tree. And it's kind of a set collection game. So easy. That's great. I love this robot. A donkey horse looking cover. I'd love that stuff. That era of toys. Some of my favorite looking art. I love that. And the artist is Robin Banks. It's a fantastic game by it's funny. It's a great name, by the way, Robin Banks. What a great name.
Starting point is 01:22:30 His name is Robin Banks. It didn't even hit me until you just said it. Yes, I know. That's great. I mean, his parents are probably having a laugh, right? That's what happened there. Yeah, probably. There's no way they didn't know this when they named him Robin at the Banks house.
Starting point is 01:22:47 Robin Banks. Anyway, sorry, Dan. Actually, I don't know if it's he or she, because Robin is one of those names. I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. And it's, again, from Ben Pinchback and Matt Riddell, those actually, it just so happened to be the guys that I spent the weekend with, with Motor City Game Works. Those are the two of the designers. And they've done a lot of things like Fleet and plenty of other great games that I've kind of mentioned a bunch of in the past.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Anyway, that's Holly Jolly. Get it for your stocking great games. Probably only like 10, 15 bucks that you can find it. The next one is, this is another great one called Marvel Remix. Okay. Now, this is based off of a game called Fantasy Realms. This is, Scott, you love this one too, because all you're going to do, you get seven cards in your hand. You have a deck in front of you that's a villain deck, a hero deck, and then there's just cards that'll be discarded.
Starting point is 01:23:32 Each card will tell you how it scores at the end of the game, and all you're trying to do is try to get, you're trying to score the card. You're trying to score all the cards in your hand, trying to get the best score. So you may be, you may kind of pick a card from the hero deck that will go a little bit better with Captain America, and then you're going to discard, like, Baron Mordo, things like that. So you're going to discard things in the deck. And somebody else, you know, Brian may be going for a villain deck, and he's got things that are going to score there. So he may either picked up that card or maybe nothing in front of him is kind of useful yet,
Starting point is 01:24:05 or he'll kind of draw from one of the things. Will you keep playing with kind of drawing and discarding until there's, I think, 10 or 12 cards in middle. I think it's player-dependent cards in the middle in the discard pile. Then you just add it all up. Now, some of these cards can be, some of these cards can be a little bit tough to figure out, but the original game, Fantasy Realms, they have like an app in like a website
Starting point is 01:24:26 that all you do is plug your cards into the app and it tells you what your score is. Yeah, yeah. And it's amazing. I think Marvel Remix, it's made by WizKids, so there may be an app out yet. I'm not sure if it is,
Starting point is 01:24:38 or maybe somebody might have kind of put something online. That helps the scoring a little bit. But the game itself, it's only, again, less than 20 bucks is just a little card game. Perfect stocky stopper or Christmas gift. It's amazing. That's really cool. Getting this, I'm buying this today.
Starting point is 01:24:51 This looks great. Yeah. I think I might also, Scott. It seems like something Brian Ibitt might buy. Seems like if you think you might be? Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to be crazy or anything, but it seems like something you'd love. In the final one, I'll just, again, I'm going to mention,
Starting point is 01:25:04 I don't want to get into too much of this because I really want to cover this on a later one because of just how good I think this is going to, this is going to be on a lot of kind of best of list next year because it's just starting to arrive and it should be at a lot of FLGS either. It's supposed to be out now, but you may start seeing it pop up in December. This is called Verdant, V-E-R-D-A-N-T. I think it's a word having to do with, like, planting or grasses and stuff of that. This is kind of made by the same company that made Cascadia.
Starting point is 01:25:29 And if you remember Cascadia, it's all the bees' knees where everybody, it's a great kind of introductory game, but it's great. All you basically do is you're just kind of drafting two things and putting them into your little tableau. Same thing with Verdant. It's all about you making plants, you're putting plants and kind of like rooms together. There are some rooms that'll, I don't want to get into it. Anyway, because I'll get into this another time, but just get it because it's going to be, it's even easier to learn than what Cascadia was. Because I really want to get into this another time because I really think just talking about this for a few minutes would be great because I think you guys would absolutely love this. But if you're out there and you love things like Cascadia or kind of intro games, just get it.
Starting point is 01:26:06 Do you like that bird, the bird one Brian loved? What was that called? Oh, wingspan. Wingspan. A little bit like that. I think, trying to remember if wingspan, and it's online too, you can actually get that on Steam. there's two or three expansions there's a new expansion can't remember if it was only kick started
Starting point is 01:26:21 or if it's actually out now because there's like an Asia one, an Oceanic and there's a bunch of different expansions that are out and it's also on board game arena if you want to play it online. Brian, if you think you're good at that game, go play it on like BGA where there's people from around the world and you'll just get destroyed. It's amazing how these people
Starting point is 01:26:37 are. I can't beat anybody on that site. I only couldn't even buy or beat the AI like a third of the time so I definitely don't think I'm good at it. So Wingspan is one of these games where I talk about, like, the destination is better. I mean, I'm sorry, the journey is better than the destination.
Starting point is 01:26:55 Because the game itself is just so much fun. Then you get done and you're like, wait, I lost by 40? I just had, I did everything I wanted to. And I had so much fun. So it's interesting how that kind of goes with some games. All right. Well, Verdant's our third pick. Before that, was it, the Marvel shit?
Starting point is 01:27:10 Marvel Spike. Marvel Remix. Marvel Remix. Marvel Remix. And if it's based off a game called Fantasy Realms. And I think there's another one that's out that's Star Wars missions or something like that, that is basically the same game because people just keep copying kind of the main. It might be WizKids do as the Star Trek license.
Starting point is 01:27:32 But I'm not sure if that one's as good as remix or fantasy realms. But if that's your thing, just look into that one as well, because that might be decent. It bugs me that when I was making Rock Runners, I was so overly careful not to take anybody's names, not to take anybody's game types to, like, avoid all that stuff like crazy. But since then, all I've noticed is everybody's, everyone iterates on everybody all the time. Yeah, everybody changes something a little bit. The only thing, now Scott, this will be right up your alley. The only thing you cannot do is take people's art.
Starting point is 01:28:00 Right. It's the only thing you can't do. You can do pretty much anything else. It's like video games. You've got a slay the spire and then you got a rocket, or sorry, the train one. Monster Train. Oh, yep, and Monster Train. And those two games, obviously, they have some differences.
Starting point is 01:28:15 but it's at the core it's like no we're playing off the same stuff same with this soul survivor thing i'm playing i mean or sorry soulstone survivors it's taken that vampire survivors game type and said let's take it in this direction so i guess i always knew that this was the way you did it but i was so nervous about that i was so scared that i was going to like walk out of somebody's ideas and all you really have to do is like in the back of the rulebook be like oh special thanks to uh you know uh rock runners for kind of these the uh what you say like the spiritual successor or giving me the
Starting point is 01:28:47 not influenced my design quite a big thing. Yeah, that happens in Steam descriptions. Like what you're going to do is about that. Steam descriptions will say things like this game set in the planet of blah blah blah, inspired heavily by so-and-so game.
Starting point is 01:29:01 They'll do that a lot. Yeah, right. And that's it. All right. You know, you really can't copyright. You can copyright, art, and that's it. Deep impacts. Inspired heavily by Armageddon.
Starting point is 01:29:12 Yep. That's right. There it is. All right. Well, excellent stuff, as always, Dan. I love hanging out with you. I'm glad we got a chance to do it this week. Yeah, well, happy holidays, boys.
Starting point is 01:29:21 Yeah, you got any big plans for Thanksgiving? You're going to do anything cool or, you know, fried chicken? No, well, no, we're going to go up to Greensboro to visit some family, and then I actually have to work on Friday a little bit. It's one of those things where nobody's sending in prior authorizations on a Friday. Like, no doctors are working on Friday, so it'll be a nice easy, easy weekend for me, and I don't have to work this weekend. So I'm looking forward to that.
Starting point is 01:29:42 Yeah, you can play a pill soccer where you set up a little fake net. a paper on one side of the table and just flick a little pill across the yeah just with pills the big old horse pill your grandma has to take one of those things you could kill you can put an eye out with that thing yeah you get careful
Starting point is 01:29:58 Dan it's always good talking to you a geek jock blog everywhere else you go yes sir what else you use no geek jock Dan now oh Dan I keep forgetting Dan and the geek all stars and we're recording tonight we may have a special guest of his schedule permits I'm gonna I'm gonna
Starting point is 01:30:13 I'm going to apologize to you right now live on the air, Dan. There's a conflict tonight, and I'm sorry. No, it's fine. I knew that's why I kind of made sure I had three guests, and I had a, we're going to do a show about the great game of Snap. I don't know if any of you guys have heard of that. There was a show about that. We're going to have, well, Brian, we'll have you on in the future, though.
Starting point is 01:30:35 Please do. I will, you know, it's like the second one this week that I've had to do that with is, like, reschedule because of something else. It's like, oh, my God. I'm so sorry. Busy boys. McGee, you know. Yeah, I guess so.
Starting point is 01:30:46 So next time you have it, I will 100% be there. Absolutely. So your penance is you have to put up with me, message you on Discord every now and I'm saying, hey, how do I make this deck work? Oh, I will happily do that for you. And I will, you know, there's going to be times when I'm doing the Marvel Snapstream like I've been doing with Red Fraggle where if she can't make it, you're going to be my first, like, hey, you want to come on and be guest star?
Starting point is 01:31:12 so the color commentary i'm all about color commentary yep snapped where it's at baby happy thanksgiving hopefully you know if you've got time for me next month i know december's nuts but uh maybe we'll talk to you before christmas and maybe we can get it to verdant a little more at that time oh we'll find you a hole don't you worry and we'll stick you straight in that hole it's happening it's happening see you boys see you dan well there he goes off to be the dan we love and know uh and we are almost done i'm going to read some texts though and emails cool all right just to catch us up a little bit. Uh, let us start with this, with these texts here. Hold on a second here. Here we go. Here's one from, uh, Logan, aka Dreadnecks. We know Dreadnecks. We do.
Starting point is 01:31:53 Pretty common face around these parts. He says, Scott and Ryan, this one's sticking for some reason. I don't know why. Um, I think you figured out why that Overwatch player kept calling your co-host Ryan. Um, and this is, I guess I told the story while you were gone, but you heard it, I think, right? Yeah, no, I think I was here for you here. I don't know. I think so. Yeah, I can't remember. It could have been while I had the flu. It could have been while I was in Orange County. The last two weeks are seriously. It's just a blurry mess. Anyway, I have recently been busy and fallen behind on podcast.
Starting point is 01:32:24 So to set you up at 1.5x speed, when listening at that speed, I was unable to consistently hear the B in Ryan's name. My thought is that this guy has been listening to you at double speed. Love the show, though, Logan. So that's an interesting point. It is. I know I almost wish we would have had the. time to like play one of the shows at 2x speed just to hear here confirmation of that right like because the way that works is it trims out the space when you listen to a podcast at x speed it keeps the voice it doesn't like chipmunk the voices it just takes out as much space as it can and jams things together and then it even takes out the beginnings and ends of words if you
Starting point is 01:33:07 you know if you uh need it to go that far it depends a little bit on the players. Some players are better than others, but my experience has been, yeah, sometimes it will cut off. Not cut off. It's hard to explain. It's not kind of late. It's not the normal cutoff. It's a different kind of cutoff. But since everything's getting compressed and tiny and you're keeping the pitch the same, honestly, I still don't know how people do it. It would drive me crazy. It drives me crazy. And listen, we have music in our show. You can't be listening at one and a half speed because it's, uh, or at 150% speed. Huh? I see what you did there. Good call back. Yeah. Uh, because, uh, you Yeah, you're going to, it's really going to F with how the music sounds.
Starting point is 01:33:45 So come on, be careful. Yeah, be careful. Careful with this. Don't you, don't overabuse your, your 1x, 2x speed power. No, that's all we're asking. If you can do that, then what else is there? All right, check this out. I got this, I get this email or another text here from, who's this from?
Starting point is 01:33:59 This is from Josh P. in Martha's Vineyard, which is a place I only hear about on TV in movies. Never been there. Right. You ever go? Desired. Never been to Martha's Vineyard. We're taking the, we're going up to Martha's Vineyard, Jerry. Yeah, I see it on a sign. I guess it's true. I see it on Seinfeld all the time.
Starting point is 01:34:16 It says, greetings. We've got another Josh texting here into TMS. We hear from a lot of Joshes, I guess. We do. Have you or Brian listened to any of the Marvel Wastlanders audio drama podcasts? TLDR, the villains kill all of the heroes post-apocalyptic setting 30 years later? I believe this is the original old man Logan setting. I think so, yes. Incorrect, which I have read. anyway, 10 to 12 episodes per season, 28-ish minute episodes with the style of Wolverine
Starting point is 01:34:48 The Long Night. I'm sure the major spoilers fellas have, but I wanted to recommend it during all of this Marvel Snap hype. They have old, let's see, old man, Star Lord, Black Widow, Wolverine, Dr. Doom, and Hawkeye, give it a shot, give it a shot, love the show, Josh. So I have these downloaded and have for months, and I haven't listened to them yet. Oh, really? I have never listened to a single Marvel, you know, audio drama podcast, and I guess I need to.
Starting point is 01:35:14 So maybe this would be the one I do. Heard really good things about them. And I downloaded them in the wake of me finally reading Old Man Logan and loving it. I absolutely loved it. And Old Man Hawkeye or Old Man Star Lord? Is it one of the two? Yeah, Old Man Star Lord too, yeah. Yeah, I think Geyser Hawkeye was in it in the comic as well.
Starting point is 01:35:33 And I remember thinking, this isn't a radio? Ooh, dude, no way. I'll totally listen this. I went, found it, I downloaded it, and then it's just sitting in there. So I'll get around to it, Josh, and I'll bet Brian does too. It sounds good. Email, this is for the morning stream in gmail.com. It's for somebody named Young, Y-U-N-G.
Starting point is 01:35:54 It'd be a great rap name, just straight young, you know? Young. No young MC, no young little bow-wow, no young whatever's. No, just young. And it's just your name. I like that. Anyway, let's know how your rap career goes. He writes in and says,
Starting point is 01:36:12 Good morning, Scott and Brian. I've been a long-time listener and appreciator of frog pants, vast array of other shows. TMS in particular has become a stalwart, regular podcast of choice over the past decade from its inception. Naturally, there have been instances of repetition over the years in terms of show content, games played, discussion, show titles, etc.
Starting point is 01:36:30 I'm sure somebody has already brought this to your attention by now. No, they have not. So, young, you're the first one. But I was listening to the recent episode, TMS 23, 367, maize, maize, which is like corn, maize, maize, maize, yeah, M-A-I-Z-E. There you go. Sorry, and as I also listen to the archive T-M-S shows regularly because who is a glutton for punishment, the episode TMS-1991 was called Maze of Maze.
Starting point is 01:36:57 Wow. And came up in my listening list. While not a complete duplication of a show title, it still tickled me enough to bring this useless fact to your attention. Love the show, though. hope that you and Brian continue as long as you give both of uh as long as you both sorry you both as much enjoyment as you provide to everyone meaning get that enjoyment as he left out the word get anyway young thank you uh kind regards he says well kind regards right back to you it's very nice
Starting point is 01:37:22 of you to say and yes this will happen uh happened with the instance more often than it does here because on the instance we would pick i would pick titles on my own and so if i did one that was the same as three years ago because of some reference to the lich king or something that was just me not remember that did it come up yeah exactly but in brian and i's case we at least have this double layer chance of catching each other of wait haven't we done that before sort of thing this one clearly got through i will never ever remember a show title you could you could we could put the same show title week after week and i'd be like oh that's a really good show title and i never you know probably would never catch it's a good point i don't think i would i don't have to do album art
Starting point is 01:37:59 for it so that's that's one layer that keeps me away from no one yeah but anyway i and also i think in In 1991, we may have not been doing chat room suggestion yet. It might not have been, yeah. So. I mean, that was in the first 2,000 episodes. Holy crap. That's the other thing. You're lucky this doesn't happen every other day with how many shows we do that.
Starting point is 01:38:20 I think it's probably the two times I've been in a corn maze since we've done, started doing TMS, probably these two times, basically. I think they are the two times you went to that cool corn maze. Exactly. And talked about it on the show. Anyway, if you want to be like young, the rapper extraordinaire, send your emails to the morning stream at gmail.com, or you can text us 801-471-0462. Quick note to our pal KT data slash Kevin in the chat. He also had COVID the exact same time as us.
Starting point is 01:38:54 Oh, no. So I don't know what's going on here in Utah, but all the Utahans with their freaking final. And these are all people who haven't had COVID the entire three years. suddenly we all have it. So, you know, can't explain that. Yeah, he's got one of these making its way to him right now, one of these 3D printed, articulated yetis that I've been selling on the Etsy store. I saw Nicole got one of those, I think.
Starting point is 01:39:19 Oh, really? Was it Nicole? She probably printed one because she's all about doing the articulated stuff. That's pretty great. I'm sure she printed her own, but yeah, no, this guy's great. It looks like a Richard Scarry or a. Maurice Sendak or you know
Starting point is 01:39:33 or Ludo from Labyrinth kind of Oh yeah I always forget about Ludo Friends Friends Well there you have it That's it for the show
Starting point is 01:39:45 I'd like to thank our patrons For supporting it And if and without you I don't know where if came from There's no There's literally no show Like straight up there's no show Imagine last week but writ large
Starting point is 01:39:57 Oh man That's hard to think of So if you don't want that in your life keep contributing, we need it. Patreon.com slash TMS, especially this time of year. You'll never get a commercial or an ad of any kind. You'll get pre-show content every week, art in the mail, couch parties on the weekend, as well as game nights or game play dates, is what I'm trying to say. That's right. Which is happening this Friday, and we're going to do it in the morning.
Starting point is 01:40:18 The normal TMS time is Friday, which is a benefit for a whole ton of reasons, one of which is Brian's got a thing later, so that'll help. I've got to go deep fry, whatever. Yeah, if you have ideas for something I should, uh, take to deep fry. I'm thinking about making little like basically taking pumpkin pies but making miniature ones with like a cookie cutter
Starting point is 01:40:41 for the crust and then the filling putting them in like a one of those mini cupcake trays freezing them batter dipping them and then refreezing them and taking those to deep fry in the
Starting point is 01:40:57 deep fryer so like little deep fried mini pumpkin pies. That actually Sounds really good. Doesn't it sound good? Maybe I don't do the crust, because I guess you don't need the crust if you've got the battered dip. So maybe just like a layer of whipped cream, frozen whipped cream, and then batter dip that and deep fried. Even if you get a little hint of chicken, nut chicken, turkey on there. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:19 Then you've got, that's okay. Absolutely. It's Thanksgiving and one bite is what it is. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You've got a nice combo of flavors there. I think this sounds good. Yeah, I don't think you're going to get the hint of turkey in any of the things that they're, I mean, it's all, it's the only thing. that they deep fried in that fat
Starting point is 01:41:33 before we get to it and it'll be like pulled out with a strainer so I don't think there's gonna be little turkey bits left in there or anything oh yeah you won't get anything like turkey food in your thing I'm just gonna be I'll be curious if anything just
Starting point is 01:41:46 has the hint of that kind of poultry's taste you know what I mean like this Mexican place up the street that used to be old school 70s international house of pancakes I've talked about this place before It's called La Marelias now.
Starting point is 01:42:03 But, and the food's great. Great Mexican food. But as soon as you walk in there, you smell syrup. Okay. Just never, never freaking goes away. And I always think of that with all kinds of, like, if you make one kind of food for long enough, like there's an H&R block over here that used to be a taco stand. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:21 That H&R block smells like tacos. And it's been like three, four years, still smells like tacos in there. Weird. Okay, well, maybe there's something to that. Maybe they will, uh, yeah. I'd just be curious. You're going to have to report back on this now. Totally, yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:35 That'll do it for today's show. Thanks, everybody from being here. Oh, and we're going to play Drawful and Among Us on Friday. Yeah. And you're all invited. This isn't patrons only. This is everybody. So.
Starting point is 01:42:43 This is everybody. Yep. Get in there. Patreon.com slash TMS. It's a Black Friday miracle is what it is. That's right. Get your miracle on right here at TMS. For everything else is frogpast.
Starting point is 01:42:53 Yeah. Everything else is at frogpance.com slash TMS. And we'd recommend you go there. But before we get out of here, let's see, if I missed anything? I don't think so. Yeah, we just got, we gotta play a song. That's it. That's all we got. We do. Yeah, it's all that's left on the to-do list and I'll check that box
Starting point is 01:43:09 right now. Jen wrote in, she is J-K-L-M-A-A-A-S in chat, J-KL-Maz, or Jackal-Maz or something like that. Anyway, Jen said, hello, squash and butternut. One of my favorite things this time of year. I'm responding to your call-out for a request. Boy, a lot of you did, by the way.
Starting point is 01:43:27 Thank you for all of these requests in November that we'll never be able to get to. Maybe I'll fit of it in December. My family is headed to Portugal for Thanksgiving as my stepson is stationed in Italy. We decided to meet him in Europe for a holiday gathering. I'll also be visiting Spain on this trip. My mom was a fan of Three Dog Night while I was growing up, so never been to Spain was frequently played. I've enjoyed the cover by Susie Vinick, but if you're kind enough or be kind enough to play any cover of it for our travels, we'd appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:43:57 Love the show, though. Jim. That's awesome. What a cool trip. God, no kidding. Portugal, Spain. I'd love to go. Both of those places are on my list of places I want to go. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, so her request, a cover of Never Been to Spain. Now, Three Dog Night did have the popular cover of that song. However, this is not originally a Three Dog Night song. They did a lot of covers. A lot of their big hits are songs that they covered by other people.
Starting point is 01:44:25 This one included. Originally, it was performed by Hoyt Axton, who, in addition to being a country star, also Zach Gallaghan's dad in the original Gremlin's movie, the inventor. Oh my gosh, I love that guy. He's great. He is great. So that's
Starting point is 01:44:45 Hoyt Axton. He did the original version of Never Been to Spain. Cover I'm playing is exactly the one that Jen mentioned. It is Susie Vinick from her 2011 album, Me and Mabel. Here's her cover of Never Been to Spain. All right. That'll do it for today. Just a reminder about programming. We'll be here tomorrow. also Wednesday, Thursday off for Thanksgiving, and then Friday with our play date.
Starting point is 01:45:06 All right, so that's the plan. Nothing should change or alter from that. All of those shows currently scheduled as constituted, that'll do it. We'll see you then. Well, I guess we'll see you tomorrow. Bye now. Well, I never been to Spain, but I kind of like the music. They say the ladies are insane.
Starting point is 01:45:31 and they sure know how to use it but they don't use it never going to lose it they'll refuse it well I've never been the England but I kind of like beetles Almost had it for our lives fast
Starting point is 01:46:05 And I made it out to Natives Can't you feel it? It must feel really Feels so good Well, I've never been to heaven But I've been to Oklahoma Oh, they tell me I was born there, but I really don't remember.
Starting point is 01:46:47 In Oklahoma, not in Arizona, doesn't matter, doesn't matter, yeah. Yeah. Well, I've never been to space But I kind of like the music They say the ladies out and say men And they should know how to use it They don't use it
Starting point is 01:47:58 They're never going to lose it I can't refuse it Oh Well, they'd never been to heaven But I'd be to Oklahoma Yeah Oh, they tell me I was born there But I really don't
Starting point is 01:48:25 I really don't Lauren to remember in Oklahoma, not Arizona. Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Oh, oh. In Oklahoma, not Arizona, doesn't matter, doesn't matter. In Oklahoma, no, Arizona, doesn't matter. This doesn't matter, but I kind of like to go out of the frog of the Frog Pants Network. Frog Pants Network.
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