The Morning Stream - TMS 2385: Herd of Freaky Turkeys

Episode Date: December 1, 2022

Give me the uterus, i'll give you the deck! My Haterade brings all the trolls to the yard. You know, the Never Ending Story flying dog thing. How many fallopian tubes do YOU have? Going out on a high note with Milli Vanilli. Stevia. I barely knew her. Brian is healthier without his Soul. What's a phone book? It's not a good segue if you need to explain it. Tears Are The New Handshake. They Kept Saying Yuh-Rine-Al. Uteruses can't use Mac products. Stevia Nicks is my favorite Mac. Girl Pee with Amy. Adopting Ope with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, give me the uterus. I'll give you the deck. My hater aid brings all the trolls to the yard. You know, the never-ending story flying dog thing. How many fallopian tubes do you have? Going out on a high note with milly-vanilly. Stevia, I barely knew her. Brian is healthier without his soul. What's a phone book?

It's not a good segue if you need to explain it. Tears are the new handshake. They kept saying urinal. Uteruses can't use Mac product. Stevie A Nix is my favorite Mac. Girl P with Amy. Adopting Opie with Wendy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. What time is it?

There is no time in space. This is to say there is no chronology that can be calibrated. I said what time is it? What time is it on Earth? Can you tell me that without an exercise in Euclidian geometry? Just tell me what time it is on Earth. On Earth it would be 12 noon. Just remember, you have to know when to hold them and know when to fold them.

The morning stream, your painting privileges have been removed. Hello everybody, welcome to TMS. I just noticed the chat room. So, Twitch changed something. Something I keep seeing mention of a shield or something. and yeah something got weird because i guess they're trying to fight hate raids they call them hate raids and so as brian and i do the show maybe some things will be weird and i know jeanie's trying to stay on top of it and has

put settings where they need to be or whatever but i don't know what that even means uh like i understand i guess probably the concept of a hate raid but i didn't know that was like a i don't know what so what do people do like just rate a channel that they hate and fill it with people who watch the stream i don't understand what a hate rate does i assume what a hate it's like a roving band of like let's we don't like this person so we're going to go in there and just just spam up their channel spam their chat and okay all right sure put asky penises in there and stuff like that a little do they know we we provide our own yeah we've already made we've already made our own gravy we don't need uh yeah we got our and our potatoes are happy

to be soaking in it so just uh you know back off anyway i've never been hate rated so I don't I don't really understand it but I assume it's for bigger streamers and stuff just sit there and drink your hater aid yeah hate your your hater aid hmm you know it's refreshing and replenishes my electro lights that's right uh it's nice to see you all we're gonna do a show here for Thursday December 1st 2022 and uh it's the first of the month so happy uh December it's okay to play Christmas music and stuff now right you're you're down it is I have been playing I've actually been playing it a lot the perfect moment is now as my Splenda packet tells us.

Yeah, the Splenda right there, that's very splendid. It's like, it's like, part, magic eight ball, part, fortune cookie, basically is what it is. It's like, was it Spenda that killed, what's her name on Breaking Bad? Oh, no, that was, I always forget. Well, technically it was Risen, but it was Stevia. Stevia, Stevia. Yeah. But it was a brand, they did call it a brand name.

They called it the brand name, Stevia. They did. Yeah. I always thought that was a little scary, like a little edgy to. to, like, call out a brand name like that. Right, especially right, to make it, like, you know, we saw what happened with Peloton when it killed Mr. Big in Sex and the City. That's right.

Three or whatever it was called or just like that. Maybe they, maybe they, so I've always wondered about product placement when a negative connotation is with your product. So let's say, you know, I know Apple's not down with the idea that if you use a MacBook in one of their, in some TV show, the MacBook itself can't be the reason for a problem. Like if it explodes or battery or something. Somebody can't lop off somebody's head with the sharp edge of a MacBook air. No.

Is what you're saying? No. Although that sounds great. But no, they can't do it. Sounds both great and doable. And doable, yeah. Because those things are really razor sharp. But like in the case of the stevia, the story is very clear that, hey, he put ricin in the stevia.

And so you're probably still okay. having your name associated with this because you're not the problem someone made it a problem and so when cars explode or when like you know you get a I don't know you got a bunch of Ford's

because you got a Ford deal for your movie and a bunch of Ford's get wrecked Ford's okay with that because it isn't the cars that are wrecking themselves, people are wrecking them I just I don't know you know who may know this is our pal and uh oh yeah he might too

but oh Bobby but also Dr. Tolbert and uh no not Tolbert. Dan? I don't know. How would they know? Would they know about car wrecks and stuff? Oh, I'm sorry, not car wrecks, but just like, uh, Stevie.

I seriously. Oh, I seriously about like using in movies and stuff. Yeah, like props and movies and like the, even the MacBook thing. Um, I'm thinking of, uh, I get, I got stirred out because somebody said, Stevie is the name of the leaf, not the product name, so it's okay to use it in movies. So I was really quickly looking that up to, to stave off some, some emails from people. I didn't know that. I thought Steve you was the brand name.

you know what look I'll tell you this Dr. Tolbert's been probably been in a car wreck and Dan Patrice has probably been in a car wreck and Bobby's probably been in the car wreck might have might of yeah

I'm thinking of uh I totally paying attention Scott 100% paying attention I'm thinking of our pal in Atlanta I can't think of his name all the sudden Dodd Vickers God Vickers gosh dang it because he is in the movie industry

as a location location scout or a location head location scout and he also married a an eternal elf lady who is the most beautiful human being ever made and somehow Dodd Vickers married her. I don't know how that worked out. That probably reminds him that it's time to re-up the restraining order. Yeah, get that going.

But anyway, I just find that stuff curious. I think it's weird. Now, here's what's weird. And I think Dice Tomato even the chat said that Apple, like villains can't use Apple products in movies. Oh, I didn't know that. Dennis Hopper in Speed can't be. you know hey hot shot i got a pop quiz for you let me pull it up on my iPhone uh interesting

so even if i watch like um you know i've noticed all the apple plus tv plus uh originals they all if there's computers they're all max yeah they're all macs or all ip phones yeah nobody's got an android phone or any of that all they all products i wonder if i'm trying to think if anyone could be considered villainous in any of those. I mean, Steve Carell, is he villainous? His character was kind of villainous in the morning show as a sexual predator. Oh my gosh, I didn't know any of this. I didn't know this.

I haven't seen it. Did you not watch the morning show? No. Oh. I was all mad about the TMS part. So I didn't know you. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Yeah, no, he basically gets caught, uh, um, let me some sexual harassment and stuff. And then when they come to him about it, he goes, well, that's what she's. said. Well, I mean, when you're around Steve Correll, you can't help it. It's just part of the deal. Thank you. I'll be here all week. Tip your way and stuff. That was really good. You'll be here all week and don't forget. I was going to make a bad joke. I'm not going to do it. I am going to tell you story, though. I had a dream last night that I would like to share and shed from my life ever, forever and never think about it again. Okay. All right. Last night, for whatever reason. vividest dream ever remember every detail of this thing the never-ending story dog i don't even know

its name you know the big furry flying dog i'm gonna i'm gonna be the last person to ask this question too because i've never seen never seen oh film sac says what i know right film set not never never covered on film sack i don't think we have the time for a never-ending story on film sack listen uh randy's already complained about how much time it takes to do watchalongs. We're never going to do the never-ending story because it will never end. It never ends. Yeah, it just goes and goes. Somehow there's a sequel and it's garbage.

But, all right, so it's Falcour, says the chat. I don't remember the name of the thing. Falcour! Anyway, this dog is in my dream, whatever it is. Dog dragon, dragon dog. Sure, sure. And went crazy and started killing everybody. Just killing everyone, just slaughtering, had no regard for anything.

Women, children, old people, everything in between, just reckon every soul it could find and it was scary and all I could do is run and keep running and stay away from it. That's the dream. And it didn't feel like a nightmare as much as it just did kind of a weird action movie. So I wasn't like scared. That's hard to explain. But when I woke up, it was as real as anything I've dreamt. I woke up and I was like, yeah, I'm in this world. This is happening. And then slowly about a minute later, I'm like, oh, okay, that was a dream. Um, so there's precedence now, right? That, you know, that we could see stuff like this happen because, uh, Bambi, they're making a, uh, a Bambi as a killer movie.

Oh, I didn't know this. Is this true? Now that Bambi is in the public domain, but somebody is making a horror movie starring Bambi. I didn't, I didn't know this. That sounds great. Is that true? Let me see, I want to see this. It's totally true.

Yeah, 100% true. Oh, Bambi, uh, what are they, is their name? yet or anything? Uh, no. Oh, Wendy the Pooh's getting it first. Did Winnie the Pooh enter? I mean, Wendy the Pooh might be. Winnie the Pooh does, uh, I think Disney doesn't even own, never own it, right?

No, but somebody owns it. I mean, somebody, somebody should have owned it to, I think Disney does own it because they have Winnie the Pooh rides and stuff there. You'd think they would, but they also, they also take stuff like, you know, I'm trying I think of a good one here. I mean, Sleeping Beauty isn't there. There's a ton of stuff that's just not there like Tarzan. Right, because it's generic fairy tale.

Yeah. So they just use it, you know? I don't know how that works. Money of the Pooh, Blood and Honey comes out February 15th, 2023. Oh, my Lord. And, uh... Is it animated? Uh, I'm reading this.

I'm reading this. I'm not... No, I think this is going to be poo and piglet. Go on a murderous rampage for human flesh as they antagonize a group of university girls occupying a rural cabin. Oh my gosh, dude. I can't tell if it's... No, this is live action. I'm looking at the list.

It's totally going to be live action. Listen to this old lady. This old lady's comment on the page here. Hollywood has gone completely mad. They can't think of anything original, so they have to turn poor Bambi into a killer. I can't believe any foolish person would waste their money on this garbage. I would argue that turning Bambi into a killer is very original. Yeah, it's pretty original.

Pretty original. I don't have a problem with this. Fine. It's do whatever. I can't believe it's in public domain. See, that tells me it's not a Disney-owned thing then. Right, right. It must have been some, you know, like beauty and the, or not Beauty and the Beast.

Well, sort of like Beauty and Beast. But like any of the stories that they convert, they're taking from some other common story. They usually have their own twist on it. Like hunchback of Don'tredom is nothing like the real thing. The Hugo, Victor Hugo novel. Yeah. I mean, he's got a punchback. That's about it.

Obviously, Hercules came from something from Greek mythology long before Disney got their hands on it. Yeah. They do like the, they do give you the feeling that they invented it, but they don't. They never do. Right, right. They invented their take on it, for sure. Sure. And, you know.

Sometimes that overwhelm. It's like those covers you talk about, the covers that are bigger than the originals or whatever. That are so iconic that you don't think about there being a thing before that. Like, Sleeping Beauty or Cinderella or whatever, it's like, oh, yeah, that's such a total Disney thing. But, you know, a fairy tale or a story before that. Like, even Little Mermaid is like some Danish thing. Right. Some Danish thing.

Yeah, they even have a little statue that keeps getting vandalized overlooking the the fjords. Yeah, the fjords. Well, we'll keep our eye on. Does Denmark have fjords, or is it just? Oh, I actually don't know. I have no idea what they have over there. They have a lot of free weed, I think.

I don't know much else about them. How many, let's somebody please keep track of how many wrong things we've said so far on today's show. I know the stevia thing, not being a brand name, I guess is it, but, but did she have Truvia then? What did Lydia drink? Stuvia? Her camamil.

It was camamil tea, wasn't it? It was camamil tea, and it was stevie? Stevia? I thought it was stevia, yeah. Stevia? That's my memory. But I, you know, and I've seen that series twice through. Camamil tea with soy milk and a ton of stevia.

Okay, there you go. Because she was hooked. She'd love the stevia. She's all into it. So that's probably why, like, all right, it's a, it's a, a leaf is a opposed to a brand name so they can probably get away with that as opposed to saying she had truvia in it or sweet and low or neutra or what not neutral sweet but uh equal yeah yeah i'm just surprised they didn't make one up to be honest yeah yeah seems like a thing you could do or you'd want

to do given the poisoning part of it and all that uh dr tollbert in the chat says the counter is at 12 things we've gotten wrong today so thank you very much fantastic i've always thought we can end our show with an I'm sorry segment where we kind of list all the things that we got wrong. Kind of like that, that SNL joke with Fox News where they list all the things that they got wrong. Yeah, yeah. I just, we just need someone to do it for us. We don't, we can't, we can't get the list that we could just read through. Yeah, we don't, we ain't get no time for that.

No. Anyway, so I don't know why the dog and the never in the story dog was in my dream. I don't know why all these people had to die for it. It's a bad time. And, uh, I'm just glad I wasn't in that one. yeah you were not in this one at all you weren't even like mentioned and nobody was that i knew personally like okay it was me and then the world and by the world i mean just random people i've never met my kids my wife none of my family nobody none of my friends were in it so i guess

that's good but it's very yeah chat says i think the uh these area covid leftovers fever dreams oh you easily could be right yeah that's possible i mean i look i'm still the cough won't go away. I freaking hate it. I'm feeling a little less tired all the time, although at night, man, I am beat like nothing else. Holy crap. Last night, I barely move.

I was supposed to prep to do some early prep for the show for today, so I wouldn't have to get up too early to worry about it. Right. And I just couldn't do it. I was just like, no. Good for you. You know what? Your body is telling you what you need to do, and you just need to sit back and listen.

I get the best night of sleep I've gotten in a couple weeks, and it might be because dude from the dealership service thing did finally call me back oh update ding ding ding ding let's hear about it what happened update with air quotes oh crap he says I just want to let you know we're still waiting for the parts and um but kea corporate has asked me to resubmit the work order

so I'm going to put that together now I'm like oh is that good news he says oh it could be could be I'll keep you posted so really it's kind of a non it's an update it's what I asked for it's communication that just says hey wheels are still turning we're waiting for the part i'm resubmitting your stuff blah blah blah blah and and that's that's all i ask for that is something that right there if you did that from the start uh five stars on yelp google yeah you would already had you'd have brian's devotion he'd already had he'd already been buying three new keys by now

okay right exactly red freggle says did you ask for a loaner i thought of that right after the i hung up with the call i'm like oh yeah i don't want to call him back and ask for a loaner. Then I thought, here's the thing. Yeah. Without a car, I've been eaten a lot more salad, like making lunch here having more salad. I've lost two and three pounds, three and a half pounds. I've been walking when I need to go somewhere and get

something, just going to like the Ace Hardware up the way or the grocery store and stuff like that. I, I've been getting a lot done. here in the office, not just some freelance stuff that needs to get done, but also, like, fixing up some stuff in the, in the room I do all the 3D printing in so that I can actually be more efficient with the stuff that has to go out via Etsy. So it's like, I'm all right right now without a car. I know. I don't, don't necessarily, like, if they called and said, hey, we're going to give you a loan, right. I'd say, all right, cool. You know, lift me over there so I can pick up the

learner but I'm not I'm not complaining about not having a car right now yeah that's how I feel I was so worried when I when I sold my car to one of the kids and it's just the one car Kim and I use I was so worried it was gonna just kink me but it really hasn't it's been fine I need it I'm when I need it it's around and if it's if he's got it and she's somewhere it's like ah I can walk I can do whatever see it helps because Kim doesn't have a job that that makes her have to drive around all the time. Tina does, you know, with her adult's protective services thing, she's out all the time. So if I kind of in a pinch say, oh, God, I need a car.

I need to be able to get to. Yeah, that's harder. Nothing I can do. But, um, what if he called you and said, hey, Mr. Ribbitt, uh, we've got a loaner for you. And you come up there and you walk in the door and they just, they just give you kind of a quiet, keeps to himself guy with a hat on. Uh, uh, uh, would you take that loaner?

This is my loner and so, yep, okay, well, I'll take him home. Yeah. And they would do it with a straight face. Part of the joke would be they wouldn't laugh or crack a smile. They would just do this as if this was normal. They would just pass this guy over to you. And you'd have to spend, you know, the rest of the afternoon with this. And he would keep to himself.

He's not like he's going to be a problem at your house. Sure. No, I mean, I don't even have to like, you know, entertain him or anything. No. Give him a bowl of Fritos. I really just have to bring him home and just kind of let him do his own thing. Which would probably just be kind of sitting in a corner. Yeah, because that's what loaners do.

It's been my experience. Oh, loner. Here's my Steam Deck entertain. entertain yourself here's here's my steam deck different loner okay and and barb her um um i think it was her maiden name or married name i think maiden name was oh it is it's absolutely loner yeah her her maiden name is loner barb barb loner nix dating a girl whose last name is bonner so that's problematic oh two ends yeah it's still hard though hard to

I didn't mean that I didn't mean that we're done there's no we're not topping we're not topping that it's like there's no better

it's not quite what I meant damn it as soon as I said it I was like shoot look what has what hath come out of my mouth all right well let's let's

pepper that comment with this this is a text we got from a listener named Kendall who simply says, Hello, skirt and bow tie. I like that. It's good.

Yeah. Skirt and bow tie. Although, I don't know, I wouldn't wear a skirt. I'm much happier being the bow tie. Yeah, I agree. So as you guys know, you're huge nerds, right?

Kendall. Yeah. That's it. That's the whole thing. It feels like a weird thing to take time out of your day and text people. But, yeah, I don't have any shame

about my nerd level. I mean, it's, it was right there in the phone book. That phone book that, somebody listens to the show worked on the Denver phone book or the Arvada phone book and put me on a page that began with

huge nerd I took a photo of it That's amazing. Is it a listener of something you said? It was a listener, right? So like basically, you know how at the top it says the range of things on that page? It was from huge nerd to something else

and Brian Abbott was on that That's great That's freaking great What's a phone book says clear I can't find I can't pull it up quickly But we are Yeah with the phone book

Yeah look there is a dying out A bunch of humans That remember phone books barely There's a whole The generations, the Zs man They're not gonna know What the frick we're talking about Phone book

What is a whole book of phone numbers Is that even a thing? What do you do is there a button On the front that you can push to ask it a question and have it find a phone? Is it like Facebook, but with phones? All right, well, that's, there you go then. We are nerds.

If we don't have phone books, what are we going to put on top of things that need to be compressed that you've just glued to stay together? Encyclopedias, but then you'd say, well, wait, what's an encyclopedia? We have the same problem. So, I don't know. We're getting rid of all of our heavy things. And people, well, we need to keep some heavy things. World of Warcraft Collectors Edition boxes, all their stuff in them. Those are heavy.

Do you have one of those, Scott? I have one for every expansion except this new one. The new one I don't have. I didn't get that. I'm not playing it either. I'm kind of not. I'm just not feeling motivated. Came out on Tuesday.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Dragon Flight now. I've been hearing good things. Yeah, me too. The biggest review that I've heard is people like Dragon Flight because it's not The last expansion. Because it's not shadowland. The previous shadow lens.

Yeah. It's funny because that seems to be the constant. Everybody's saying that's the number one thing they're saying, oh, I like it's so much better than the last one. And it's like, well, how do you like it on its own? Well, I don't know. I'm just comparing it to what I just did with the chatelaine. I don't know.

Maybe it's amazing and maybe I'll get time. I just, I'm not feeling motivated at the moment. Because usually, look, there's never been a problem with any of these expansions first few weeks of content. Like the leveling stuff's always top-notes. it's always amazing stuff. Great story, great cutscenes. It's just what happens after you've maxed your level

and then you have to kind of do your progression for the raids and stuff like that. Yeah, and it may be incredible this time. I don't know. Last time it felt incredible was like, for me, it was Legion. I loved Legion, but everything since has been a little. Yeah, no, I'm certainly not going to get involved with another big time sink of a game.

But anyway, so, hey, some good news, Scott. at Thanos and Marvel Snap. Oh, nice. You're a huge nerd. That's what I did there. I'm not going to waste my time with a huge time sink of a game right into the game. It's been a huge time sink, toilet game. It actually hasn't been a huge time sink for me.

But, yeah, that's awesome. I have a picture right here. I may put them up. Look at that. Look at that, chat. Shiny logo. Yeah. So he's part of the new.

So, okay, some of you hung around the show yesterday after we finished. And Brian and I did a little brief interview. and some of you may have heard it on the core podcast, which is where I put it. This is part of the new series of cards that are now available, right? Pool 4 and Pool 5, which basically you can still get from random pulls, but you now have this thing called the collector's coins, and you can spend those to get cards that you want. And there's this like four-hour rotation in the shop of like,

here's another card want to buy it no okay um oh adam 12 she just got shehulk that's the other one i want to buy as soon as i see she hulk in the store because she will work with so many of the the decks that i've built but anyway so the thing with thanos i thought well great his like that's going to be such a fun character he's a lot of fun to play but he is by no means uh instillin he if you start the game with him in your deck then it also puts six infinity stones into your deck. And as you draw those and play them, they're one point each to play

or one energy to play. They all have individual powers like draw another card, your opponent's cards are minus one at this location, et cetera. But once you've played all six, your Thanos goes from being

a 6-8 to a 618. Oh. It becomes a huge beast to put in any one of the rows. How many total cards are there in this next? you know, that are now available that you haven't gotten yet?

Like 18 or something? It's like 8 in or 10 in pool 4 and 8 in pool 5 or something. It's not very many and I'm not, you know, there's a couple that I want, but I'm not in any hurry to get all of them. You're in no rush. Big rush.

I'm going to play as I've been playing. Oh, 16 total. Thank you, Sarenx. Cool. It's 10 and 6, right? 10 in pool 4 and 6 and pool 5. You'll have the. those by midnight.

Not at the rate I go. I know it sounds like I play this game a lot, but... No, you're hard... Like we said on the thing, you're casual hardcore. I'm casual hardcore. Like, oh, I'm uploading something to Dropbox. That's going to take a minute.

All right, I'll play a quick game with Marvel Snap. Or waiting for the filament to heat up on the hot end of the 3D printer. Then great, I'll play a game while I'm waiting for that to heat up. Yeah, why not? I think that sounds great. well notwithstanding you want to see oh I'm sorry no go ahead what you're going to say I was you say if you want to see me play Thanos then then watch coverville we'll talk about coverville in just a couple minutes oh yeah you will be doing that uh yeah today that'll be good

live stream snap and music everybody music snap snap to the music is what we're saying fleetwood snap fleetwood snap now this whoops now this Do do, do. Hey, look who it is. It's Amy. Amy. It's Amy. Everybody. It's Amy Robinson. She's Red Fraggle 3. You know her in the chat room is that, but we know her as Amy Robinson. She's joining us today to do a little read this with Amy. Hi, Amy. Oh, hi, Scott. It's Phil. It has been a minute. It's been a minute. It's like you got sick and then it was Thanksgiving. And like, you know, I of course hung out with Brian a bunch and we played a bunch of snap, which was fun. But we kind of wrecked our Thursdays pretty hard for two weeks, which sucked.

I hated that. But we, I assume you had a nice holiday. Everything go okay? Yeah, yeah, I had a pretty good time. We did a Friendsgiving, which is kind of our tradition. We have a friend who is a serious foodie, and he spends the entire week of Thanksgiving cooking and then has like, you know, between 20 and 50 people over. Oh, wow.

That's awesome. Yeah. I would... That's a huge group, geez. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it takes over their whole house. It's, yeah, it's an amazing thing.

And, yeah, it's one of those things where they put all the food out and, you know, it's like buffet style and everybody comes and, you know, you kind of drop in, drop out as you, as you will. That sounds fan freaking-tastic. My gosh, that sounds good. That is the way to do it to, like, open house so you don't have to, like, say, everybody show up at 12 o'clock. We're going to eat at one. Exactly. Exactly. Some of us get invited to breakfast that day also, which is extra special.

It's the VIP list, right? You have to be real friends. Yeah. Well, and in fact, I was really honored because the year that they, that, you know, of COVID, they were like, okay, we're really pairing down this year. So it was literally like him, his wife, his wife's sister and her husband and us. That was it. And I was like, and we all, thankfully we had really nice weather because we live in Georgia. So we were able to sit out on the back deck and, and, you know, everything was outside and whatnot. So we felt pretty safe in that little gathering. But yeah, I was really super honored by that. But that's not what I came to talk about today. So I have a list because it's been so long, I have a list of things I wanted to mention to you guys.

I had to write them all down. Oh, wow. This is all like piled up over the course of several non-thursdays. Indeed. Yeah. Well, to the point where I had to start a Google Keep list on it because I'd be listening to back episodes or whatever in my car and I'm driving. I can't write crap down that I want to respond to.

So I'd be like, Google, put this on my frog pants list. Do you have a frog pants list? well I did for this one yeah that's amazing that's great I love that sometimes I do like because I'll think of something that I want to talk about on the segment and then you know it'll fly out of my brain and then I'll of course remember it 20 minutes after the segment and go damn it yeah I forgot to talk about that thing so happens to us on the show all the time so don't feel bad oh yeah I know so Scott you mentioned that you and Kim were watching great British bakeoff and you know Kim will was like, I want more of that, but you've run out of it. So I have, in addition to Brian's recommendation of the, you know, the junior version of that. Oh, good. I actually, I felt so, like, I wanted to cry watching them because it's so, it's so, like, stressful that they have, they don't have any time management skills yet.

No, they really don't. Oh, sweet child, you're not going to have time to do that, you know. I don't know if you've seen, uh, the, first challenge for Heat B, but I think, I think Tina and I counted between eight kids, 47 cupcakes that fell on the floor. Oh, my. That's a lot of cupcakes. Gosh.

It's too bad they don't have a dog. They just have like, you know, Falcour comes through and just eats all the cupcakes, you know. Perfect. Yes. That's the way to do it. Wow. So I have two additional recommendations for you that will give you that same, that same kind of vibe, okay, as the

Great British Breakoff, but with grownups. So one is called the Big Brunch, which is on HBO Max. And it's not British people, but it's produced and hosted by Dan Levy. And

it's like, Kim started watching this. Yeah. Yeah. Is it good? Because I was worried. It's really good. Yeah. I was worried about it because I it looks like one of these typical ones that are the competition ones I don't like as much as the British one? No, no. It's very, it's very got, it's got the same kind of vibe like they're all very

supportive of one another. And there, yeah, it's, it's great. I really enjoy it. And the judges, frankly, are rooting for them as well. You know, like, it's great. I, yeah, we're really digging that one. The other one, if you just really need the British part of the vibe, there is the great British pottery throwdown, which is amazing. It's the same exact format as the Great British Bankoff, but it's with pottery. And it's, it's fantastic. It's really, really good. And same thing. They're all very, you know, supportive of one another. And it makes me want to make more pottery stuff. I tried. I could not get through the first episode of that because they just kept playing unchained melody by the righteous players. And it just completely.

Took me out of it. You can only take so much of it, right? You can only do it for so long. I'm kidding. I've not seen it. He's joking, but yes. Okay. I was like, I don't remember that, but yeah.

That's amazing. It's really, it's really, really great. And like the judge that is sort of the Paul Hollywood analog is actually much, much kinder than Paul Hollywood. And he, like, when somebody does something really, well, he cries. It's so precious. Oh, really? That's adorable. You'll get a handshake, you get tears. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was what everybody was like, yeah, like the goal on British Bakeoff is to get a Paul Hollywood handshake of this one. It's, oh, can we make Keith cry? Like,

that's, that's the thing everybody shoots for. It's awesome. It's great. And they always, every season, they have, like, bathroom week, and it's towards the end. It's like usually like the semi-final. They do bathroom week. And, you know, they've made sinks and stuff like that. But like they make them make working toilets and. Oh, my gosh. Wow. I know.

And one season, this, this will tie in. I have a whole see this. I have a whole roadmap for how this is going. One season, they had them make urinals. But fun fact, did you know that in Britain, they say it like urinal? Urinal, yes. Oh, yeah. I did not know this.

I seriously thought that they were being funny when they first started saying, And then, like, they kept saying urinal over and over get it. I was just like, what is that? Sounds so weird. It's not, you know, it's not like pee is urine. Like, I don't know, whatever. I don't know. Anyway, maybe it is over there.

Maybe they say things like, well, what would be a urologist over there? Would it be a urinerist? Your rhinorist? You're right to just. It's a urologist. I don't know. Zoe, you have some explaining to do. But anyway, that's fascinating.

So, yeah, so that kind of ties into what I kind of wanted to touch on from the show with Bobby from the other day. You guys spent a lot of time talking about, you know, P and specifically boy P. So I thought I would bring, you know, I figured, all right, well, this is not an off-off limits topic. So I'll go ahead and talk about girl P. Thank goodness. There's some equal representation here. We've been dying for. Right.

So I mentioned this to you guys, but I thought I'd go ahead and just announce it on the show, partly because it serves as a PSA. Ladies, if you've been having chronic pain and your doctor's not listening to you and just telling you you need to lose weight or whatever, advocate for yourself. Because I was in that situation for three years, and it turned out I have a condition called adenomyosis, which is sort of endometriosis's lesser known evil twin sister. So on Monday, December 5th, I will be going and having a hysterectomy. So, yeah. Kim did this, by the way. So I have some experience as the husband and the reason. So you know what, Chuck, it's not as bad as it sounds.

It's all going to be fine. All right. That's all I'm absolutely. Frankly, I am really, I'm really super excited about it because I'm like, I've had, you know, my kids are all teenagers and I am done with that particular appliance. I don't need it anymore. and I am all for Ursula can be, you know, just evicted, that's the word, yes. Wow. Okay.

Ursula. Is she based on the little mermaid, the evil lady? Well, I mean, think about how a uterus is shaped. It kind of works, right? Yeah, no, it does. If you flip a Ursula upside down. How many fallopian tubes do you have? After Monday, the answer will be zero.

Nice. No, it's an interesting way to do it. I've never thought about naming it a Disney villain, but this is pretty good. Oh, but the naming parts thing gets better. So it also turns out, like they referred me to, you know, my surgeon referred me to her, the partner in her practice because I was also having, and this is, again, a thing I kind of just assumed that, you know, us ladies of a certain age who have given birth to kids, like it's just kind of normal for us to. you know, pee a little when we sneeze. No, that's not normal and they can fix it. So it's called stress incontinence and they can totally fix it. And so they're going to fix that while they're in there. So, you know, Ursula is going away and urethra Franklin is going to be, you know, put into a little hammock. Wow. Wow. There's so much respect for you right now. Wow. Well, I have to give credit where that one's due. Chuck came up with ureth refrain. Euretha Franklin, nicely done, Chuck. Well done.

Yeah, the guy that none of this affects, he's got all the time in the world that come up with some cool jokes. And I think that's great. So this is all, this is kind of a big deal, though. I mean, you know, it's surgery. It's major surgery. Yes. Yeah, I'm, I'll be very excited for it to be done.

And, you know, but yeah, be thinking about me. I obviously won't be in chat on Monday and I'll be a little iffy for most of the next week. But I think I'll probably. be okay to do next week's show on Thursday, but we'll see. So keep, you know, keep a, keep some extra news things on the back burner just in case or something. I don't know. Absolutely. Just in case my pain meds are too, are too effective. Just don't have any kind of cough going in because that was, Kim had was getting over cold when they did her surgery and her cough hung around. And she, watching her try to cough quietly and softly while post-surgery, not

splitting any you know stitches or causing any issues she that was rough freaking real bad like so just don't cough you'll be fine you got this yeah you're all so yeah well thankfully currently i do not have a cough so you know i will i will try and keep it so nice um so all right so that's all by housekeepingy things that i had to do so now we can get to the the actual read this portion of this. So I don't have a new, my plan because really next week sort of will mark the one year anniversary of this segment on the show. Has it really been a year that we've been doing this?

Wow. I know, right? That's crazy, dude. That's crazy. So, but as I mentioned, I might not, I might not be available next week. So I figure we just do it this week. Um, plus, you know, my life's been too crazy and hectic for me to prepare a book. So I just, I just figured we would discuss. I got some feedback from the tadpole, uh, dreadnecks was very kind enough to, uh, to create a cool survey so we could get some, uh, some feedback from listeners and, and whatnot on on the segment. And, uh, so I thought I would share some of the responses here. And honestly, I figured I would get,

what you guys thought about these questions as well. That sounds great. No, that's awesome. It's basically a Google forum chat. I just put it in there if you haven't had a chance to fill it out. Feel free. Never hurts to have more data. But I'm very curious about how, you know, what people read this year, why they read it,

that sort of stuff. So let's get to it. For sure. All right. So first question, what was the best fiction book you read all year and why? Oh, man. I'm going to answer this. Can I tell you what I like the most?

Please do. Because then I'll do mine. I read the first book in it's old. So I feel like I'm just getting to the party here. And I brought it up before because I was in the middle of reading it. But I read the first book in the Stormlight Archive series by Brandon Sanderson. And I loved that book. I finally get it why people are so freaked out about it.

And I would really like that to be, you know, if you're going to make a bunch of book to TV translation stuff like we're seeing these days, Wheel of Time, rings of power, freaking. and the peripheral, all this stuff, make one for that. Maybe something's in the works, but that needs to be a TV show or a movie series or something because it's really fantastic. Yeah, I hear great things about Brandon Sanderson books.

I am also, you're not alone. I'm late to that party as well. So, yeah, it's definitely on my to be read list. Yeah, it's awesome. I also, chat mentions the Miss Bourne series is also very good from him. That is definitely on my list. I will get to it.

there's so much of it though like there's a ton of it he's you know he took over wheel of time when robert jordan robert jordan robert jordan yeah um i think he did something with dune i can't remember if he was the one that helped do some post dune post um passing away of the author dune stuff maybe maybe maybe not anyway he is amazing everything he writes is great and um he's a local boy so i like to support that as well just lives out here in american fork like 25 minutes for me. Oh, nice. Cool. Anyway. Brian, yeah. What do you got? Yeah, the best book I read this, the best not, or I'm sorry, fiction book I read this year was the invention of sound by

surprise, Chuck Polonic. That's kind of like, you know, if I, if I'm going to read fiction, the first thing I go to is, is to see, oh, does Chuck Polonic have something brand new and just realizing he has a Fight Club 3 that I didn't even more existence. Oh, really? That's cool. I didn't know. He was still writing, actually. Fight Club 2 was a graphic novel, and I think I've got the color, like, it's basically a coloring book as well. Fight Club 2, coloring book and graphic novels, so I need to get to that one. Anyway, Invention of Sound is about a... Don't run out of red.

Yeah, right, exactly. Bruises and blood. Invention of Sound is about a folie artist who has a unique way of capturing very realistic sounding screams for the movies that she's hired to. to provide sound for. And it's, you know, it's right up, obviously, if you know anything about Chuck Polonick, you can probably guess what she's doing to get perfect screams from people,

but it's still really, really good. I would like to check that out. I mean, I always forget Fight Club was his first novel. Like, that was his beginning. It was, yeah. I mean, that's where we, exactly. And then it wasn't even the order that I read. Like, I read, I guess I saw Fight Club,

and then I said, oh, I need to check him out. And I read Survivor and Invisible Monsters and then went back and read Fight Club and it's like, oh, my God. And I've read, looking at his, his bibliography here. And there's only like four or five things of his that I haven't read. And I need to, I need to rectify that situation. Invention of Sam was, oh, 2020. So new. 2020.

So newish, but that's the newest thing. He's newest nonfiction. I'm sorry, newest fiction that he's released. I think he's done some short stories or something. Yeah, he's got short fiction, something for Playboy in 2019 called Repercussions. He did, oh, he writes a lot for Playboy, but also Vice. Yeah. Anyway.

Fangoria. Yeah. He's an interesting dude across the board. He really is. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there you go. Cool.

Very cool. All right. So, and I would have, I'm having a hard time actually answering this question myself, but. Um, you know, I, I'm kind of like, when I asked, like, what was, what was my favorite thing about, you know, or whatever I often answer at the same way you answer, like, what's your favorite beer? Oh, the last one I had or the next one I'm going to have. You know, kind of thing. Yeah, right. Exactly. But, uh, yeah, I mean, in this case, literally I did. So I read, obviously I read a lot this year. Um, I, I read a lot of non-fiction this year, but I think probably my favorite fiction is the one I just, talked about last time, which was the invisible life of Addie LaRue, that one was really, really good. I really enjoyed that book a lot. Do you feel like with movies, like sometimes the last really great thing you saw so present in your head that you're not, that it's hard to give credit back to the thing you read in February or saw in February? Does that affect you as well?

Like you feel like, you know, kind of like award season. Like the Oscars focus on everything that came out between October and December, whereas, you know, there may have been something amazing in May that everybody's forgetting about or whatever. Yeah, for sure. And if I had actually, you know, sat down and prepped for this part of the segment, like a smart person would have done, I would have gone back and looked at TMS, you know, quick TMS. Lee and looked at the list and actually my favorite from that. But, you know, I didn't. So, but yeah, I honestly, like, that one was a, a cool surprising one like you know whenever i read uh you know an author i'm super familiar with or whatever it's it's lovely and it's exciting and fun but it's not surprising that i love it

uh if i pick something at random and i'm like ooh look neat new thing i found you know that's that's always really fun and satisfying so so yeah i'm gonna keep i'm gonna keep that you guys are both way better than i am at the you know what i don't know anything else by this artist i'm just going to go for it and see how it is. I'm like, no, I really need to like pick something that, you know, from somebody that I'm familiar with or that, you know,

has a track record with me because I'll be honest. I don't read a lot of books. I'm not much for the book reading. I don't read a lot of books. It's only because the, you know, I've got this list of things that I have to watch

and so at night when it comes time to like, should I read a book or should I watch that next episode of 1899 or that episode of the thing I'm going to recommend until next week. I've got to do that. No, you're totally right. I do the same thing with like the Stormlight Archive book was the only major fictiony thing I read this year. I read more last, the year previous year, but that's for the same reason. I just, I've got video games and television and movies and all the things I love.

I just can't, I can't read as much as I probably should, you know. There's only so much time and only so much brain space, honestly. But I have suggestions for, you know, potentially, basically this works for everybody, really. But particularly I was thinking about Brian. It's like you're off season on the bike and you've got your recumbent bike. You could get audiobooks and listen to them on the recumbent bike. That's a really, really good idea. Instead of doing the perennially smiling fitness plus instructors that I just want to.

I just want to punch them. But they're so positive, Brian. They're so excited for you. They are exactly why I want to punch them. But that's, you know, that's what's great about that is that I just need to figure out some sort of trigger to like, all right, you know, every time they mention a certain thing, I'm going to up the dial for resistance. And then when they mention another thing, I'll lower the dial for resistance. So read one of your recommendations and then I'll like. Like, you'll finally do a ring world or a, uh, uh, uh, you mean disc world?

Sorry, disc world. See? Okay. No, I met ring world, which is the, uh, yes, that's the weird owl version. Um, so, all right. It's the, uh, J.R. Tolkien version of, uh, of, uh, of disc world is ring world. Much, much darker. Molly, Molly is the star of that one, by the way. Yeah, sure, yeah.

Sure. Yeah. Okay. So what was the best nonfiction? book you read all year. Okay, this is where I get. Same question, but with the instruction manual for my 4K TV. I could not put it down. It was riveting from page one to the end. Until it became Spanish and French, I loved it.

I didn't, I don't think I read a nonfiction thing this year. The closest I came to it was a comic book that was about a real thing called. Oh, crap. Sliker make fun of me right now. Asian, the Asian something. I'll look it up. It's very good. And I would highly recommend it. I won the Eisner

this year and all that stuff and deserved it. If I can find the damn thing, here it is, comics. I don't want to not do this now that I've gone this far. So I'm just keep looking. It's called shoot. Oh, the good Asian,

volume one and two. Excellent, excellent comic book. Real good. And it's about an actual historical thing. That's right. I remember you and Schleke are talking about that. And I meant to read it. I know it's not quite the same because there is some fictional aspects of it.

But it's as close as I came to reading a nonfiction book this year. I just didn't get around to anything. Brian, how about you? Brian, do you have it? Yeah, I read Kevin Smith's autobiography called Tough Shit, Life Advice from a fat, lazy slob who did good. This is what makes me feel, like reading this is what makes me feel like I I could do an autobiography, talk about, you know, the life and times of a podcaster in the basement and a former wedding DJ, former lift driver, hope to be again one day.

Lift driver on hiatus. Let's call it that. Yes, exactly. No, his writing style is super accessible. Like, it is like listening to him, do one of his talks, which, um, uh, you just basically hear his voice in your head when you're reading this and he loves all of you know it's no surprise he loves all the same things we do he's uh he's just this schlub who lucked out with uh with putting all this clerk's money on his credit cards created a movie and we all went and see it and he and he became a thing and uh and good for him but hearing him talk about he talks a little bit about the bruce willis thing and uh Oh, right. I forgot about that.

Yeah, him being on set and just basically ignoring everybody, and kind of now we know a little bit more about that, we think, anyway. But it's a really, really good read. And a really quick read, too. It's, what, 480 pages and it's, um... That just came out this year? No, that came out. Wow, it came out back in 2012.

But it got sent to me in a, like one of those geek fuel or, loot crate boxes. I can't remember which one I was subscribed to and it sent it sent it to me and I'm like oh you know what I'll read this and again it was kind of like a it was such a quick read I couldn't put it down so before his heart attack and his weight loss and all yeah it talks about his

weight his uh it's before his hard attack but he had he did some weight loss stuff before 2012 I thought yeah well have you seen the no he did because have you seen the stand up there's a standup special that was released and it was literally like the special that he recorded and then he went to the green room and had a heart attack in the green room like and they just released that this year it's great it's hilarious and whatnot and you're but it's kind of weird to what you're like what's going to happen before that which is yeah and he talks about how much weight he has already lost and he talked you know he talks about all that and he's like yeah man you know i'm healthy now not going to die we're we're we're all like oh god so you know i mean thankfully he made it through all of that but like that was

that was after obviously that was 2018 yeah he he did the eliminating sugar and did juice fast in 2014 so two years after the book it went from 330 to 240 pounds that's a that's a chunk of weight gone that's huge yeah yeah interesting gave up the shug that's like when uh gilbert godfrey died he recorded a podcast and then died and I always think about that because the podcast went fine no issues everything was good and then he went home didn't feel well died crazy god I sure hope my last podcast you know is like a coverville on millie vanilla or something I want to do something like best Bowie podcast I've ever done and then and then Brian died that sounds right all right yeah I'd say mine was probably born a crime by Trevor Noah

that thing was fantastic and you know again i love consuming autobiographies uh an audiobook form particularly if the author you know reads their own stuff and so because it's you're actually listening to them tell you their story and it's great uh so i read a lot of those or i listen to a lot of those uh but yeah man uh that that Trevor Noah one just had me It was, first of all, of course, Trevor Noah, so I was in just stitches, you know, cracking up at it. But also, it's a very compelling, very emotional story. So it's really, really good. Right.

Definitely recommend. All right. If you read one or more books that Amy recommended this year, what was your favorite? I didn't read any of them yet. You, like that Trevor Noah thing, Tina and I listened to, well, she listened to the whole thing. I listened to a lot of it when I was around or when she was listening to it. And then the graveyard book I had read. I think it was, was there another one that you had recommended that I'd already read that, I mean, there was the, that was the recommendation that I gave you.

Right. But for the horror week, yeah, because I'm like, yeah, I don't read those. But, you know, graveyard book, just, I just remember loving that book when I read it. And so that's a great, that was a great recommendation. And I back it up completely. cool um yeah so like i'm not going to talk about which ones of my recommendations are what was your favorite of your segments well honestly it's like so i'm looking at i'm looking at there are some of the responses from the listeners and you know a lot of people have the same thing they're like oh i didn't get to

anything but you know they're on my list and whatnot but a lot of people talked about uh you know broken by jenny lawson and how like it was it was just really really impact for me to, you know, recommend that to them and they just absolutely loved it. A couple people said, fortunately, the milk by Neil Gaiman, because they weren't aware that it existed and they were really excited to read it with their kids. That's cool. You know, that was the kids' book that had the illustrations that were so cool and everything, you know. And so, you know, and I did a little reading for that, for that segment. So I don't know, it just, that always tickles me when people tell me like, oh, I read this and I loved it.

I also, I had a listener that was messaging me on Facebook kind of in real time as she was reading the Invisible Life of Addie Leroux. She's going, oh my gosh, this is the case. And I'm like, oh, honey, just wait. You know, like,

just keep going. Just let it ride. Yeah. All right. What types of books or authors would you like to hear recommended more? Recommended more See that's interesting because I do like Horror books, zombie books

Apocalyptic stuff I'm into you know I like the book wool Short story of wool but still I think Apple's making an adaptation of that I'm very excited about that But anything that deals with like that Those kinds of themes and elements I love But I don't think you're into that

Yeah you're gonna have to start reading some horror To make Scott happy I love I love Stephen King I love all this that sort of thing So I don't know. I don't know why I even like any of it, to be honest, but I do. I like it all. Big fan.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I can read. I can give you guys like I will I will film myself watching Alien. I'll give you that one. And then I'll, you know, clip it up and give you some good like, you know, like Scott plays a scary video game style mashup of that because that'll be fun. I did put in there. I can read a scary book though because it'll be in my brain forever and I won't sleep.

When I, when I filled out the form, I put science fiction, I think, is what I wrote. So I would like more, you know, I love science fiction of any kind, really. It doesn't have to be scary or space horror, but I don't mind space horror either. Yeah, a lot of people said, a lot of people said stuff like, you know, a couple of people said, horror, please. Someone, Claire, I think, said, I want some more raunchy adult stuff. Of course, she does. Of course.

It's a hundred shades of gray is what she's looking for. Right, yeah. Someone needs to keep their eye on her in Vegas, by the way. Sky-Fi and, yeah. Yeah. Vegas, we have to, yeah. Just keep your eye on her in Vegas. That's all I'm saying.

Just nobody lose track of her. Yeah. Yeah, Claire, you're on a leash. So, yeah, sci-fi fantasy is the most popular answer here. That's what she wants. Yeah, she wants to be on a leash. You're not wrong. I think you might be right.

And then someone said cookbooks. And so I'm like, oh, that's interesting. I can do that, you know? I can, because we got some cookbooks in our house for sure. So, yeah, I'll totally take that under advisement, y'all. So good stuff. All right. And then the last question is just any other comments or thoughts on the segment that we haven't asked about.

I mean, I really like it. I think it's been a great, I can't believe it's been a year, but I think that's part of its charm is that it doesn't feel like it's been here. It's been, you know, a perfectly suitable thing for the show. It was a great thing to slot in and it feels natural. So I just think more of that, you know, I really enjoyed it. Exactly. Yeah. Very cool.

Yeah. Seconded. Well, thanks, guys. Yeah. And everybody was super kind. And I want to thank you guys because this, I'm really enjoying doing the segment also. And, you know, I love you guys. Oh, that's so sweet.

I love you too. We really like you a lot. Like, listen, of all the people getting uterus removed this week, you're my absolute favorite. Aw. Absolute favorite. Yeah. And everybody in the tad pool with their response was also just, you know, really, really sweet and kind. And I appreciate that.

So, yeah. And like, somebody did say, and I think this is a good suggestion, you know, that I, I I sometimes repeat authors. Yeah, I'm going to do that because I get a hold of one author and I read a lot of them. Sorry. Yeah. But they said also, you know, maybe we can sprinkle in some lesser known authors, you know, like people who are either just getting started or, you know, just maybe people haven't heard of, you know, less stuff like Neil Gaiman. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe less Neil Gaiman and a little more, you know, like, you know, lesser known folks. And I absolutely agree and a good, good suggestion. Yeah, I like that a lot. It's very good. Well, we'll have more of this soon. Whether you're here next week or not, I mean, you had to take whatever rest you need. But if you're here, great. If not, we'll think of you.

And maybe Brian and I'll bring our own little book recommendations that day. Sure. Very cool. September in the chat also said that she would be glad to sub in for me some week and do horror suggestions. Oh, yeah. Look, here's the deal. If you're down next week with recovery, which again, totally fine, September, feel free to be ready for that because we'd love to have you.

Be totally fine. Cool, cool. Also, very awesome thing that my husband got me was a steam deck. He gave it to me early because next week is my birthday as well. And so he gave me my steam deck as my birthday present early. So y'all bring me your steam deck game suggestions. I got a whole list for you. And the good news is the steam deck weighs exactly the same amount as the average uterus.

So you're just trading them. Hey. Yeah. You're Indiana Jones. You're just like swapping the bag of sand for the island. There you go. There you go. That's a terrible, terrible comparison.

Wow. I don't think I've ever heard lady parts compared to a bag of sand. Oh, well, yeah. It's more of the idol, I suppose. No, I'm very excited for you to hear that. My Steam deck's my favorite thing this year. I freaking love it from a gaming perspective. So I will send you a big old list of stuff that I've been accumulating that is really the best games on the device.

It's a great list. I've gotten stuff from that list myself. Very nice. I need to update it. I got about 10 games that need to go on there. But I'll send that link to you after the show. Cool. Congratulations.

Early happy birthday. And good luck on the surgery and let us know how it goes. Thanks. guys. It's Amy Robinson, everybody. Chuck will be updating you guys on, you know, progress of the surgery and all that stuff. So, you know, you guys are on. I made him a list of people to, you know, text and keep in the loop. And you guys are on that list. So. Nice. Well, I appreciate that. That'll be good to know. Amy Robinson, a red fraggle three, wherever you find her. Amy, have a great week. And good luck at the doctors. We'll see you next time. Thanks. Bye now. Bye. Bye. Southern uterus removal. That's right. We are going to take a break and then come back with my sister Wendy.

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The morning stream. God have a handsome guy. Look at that. All right, we've returned. Tell me once more who that was. You know, Fletcher's not wrong. Fire Sale is the name of that band. Brand new song called A Fool's Errand.

And a great, great super group to check out right now. Nice. All right. We're going to get my sister up in it here. Cool. She's, you know, we're coming today prepared for an annual kind of thing. We've talked about this a few times before. There's no reason why we can't talk about it again.

So let's do it. Hey, it's my sister, Wendy, all the way from Minnesota. Minnesota. Yeah. Minnesota. You don't have any accent yet. That bugs me. I want you to have it.

Every once in a while, it'll come out. And I'm like, ooh, no, no. When was the last time you said, don't you know? Don't you know. I say, okay, here's what I've fully adopted. Go. O-P. O-P.

For like when you make a mistake or something, oh, or you're in someone's way. You say, oh, and they say, oh, back, and everyone says, I love it. The other thing, I said totally naturally the other day, and I was like, okay, here we go. Keep her moving They're all very like folksy things

And it just makes me laugh I love that kind of stuff Big fan of that I wonder if OPE is like It comes from something Like the original The Swedish settlers Was there a version of a word

That Ope came from Or is it just Yeah totally It's got to be like an oops But you say oops Oop yep And it's just OPE now They've changed the spelling and everything

I love it I love it. The OPE is also a terrorist organization on the, what's that show, The Expanse, I think, OPEE, isn't it? It is. You're right. OPEE, OPA. OPA. OPA. Opa. That'll be the next evolution of this. It's also a Norwegian origin to that. Hey, real quick question. Did you get that dumb gift I sent you? I did. It wasn't dumb. First of all, I love the stickers. I'm excited about that. And you know you've sent that to me before, right? I now have two.

I didn't know you had two metal ones. Did I really send you two metal ones? Did I really send you two metal ones? Yeah. Oh, crap. It was probably 15 years ago, so I'd be surprised if you remember. But I was excited because here's what I do every year is I put it on my Christmas tree. So now I have two of them. Oh, that's nice.

So this isn't confusing to everybody, but Wendy and I have a tradition, or we had most of our lives for Thanksgiving, which a lot of people did. But we would be the ones that would get the wishbone. And it got very competitive, like very competitive. And Wendy would often win, I think, not because of cheating, but she just, know stuff. I don't know whatever. She knows stuff about the phone. But since she's gone a lot or we're not, you know, around during Thanksgiving anymore, I found her a little pewter wishbone, like a turkey wishbone. And now I've learned that I've sent that before 15 years ago and don't remember it. So there you go. This is a sign of something.

Thanks. I expect one in 15 years. All right. If I make it that far, I got you covered. Don't you worry. Keep her moving. Keep her moving. Hope. All right. Here's the deal. We're going to dive into a perennial discussion about, well, some people call it sad because that's short for seasonal effective disorder. This is something my dad had, our dad had in a big way. He had really struggled with this in the winter, specifically. And he would do the whole like, well, I'm getting these lights. And I heard if you do the thing with the light at a certain time and the, you know, would help or whatever. I don't know if any of that stuff ever helped him. But. I got a little bit of this. I don't think it's as bad as dad did, but, you know, darker, it gets darker earlier, the cold, the just kind of, yeah, feeling of some parts of winter. If it wasn't for the holidays, it would just be really stark, you know. And I think a lot of people probably feel that way.

So we're going to touch on that again this week. Yeah. Have we talked about it before? I guess we had before. A couple of years, not last year, year before that maybe we talked about it. That was also more in like the, hey, it's 2020. and COVID sucks. Yeah, there was a lot more to be sad about.

More sad that's happening. Right. Yeah, I was talking to an older gentleman last night about his experience. He loves to ask me things like, okay, well, you're a therapist. That's how he always starts conversation. You're a therapist. It's a great opener. Yeah.

So I'm like, okay, what do you need to know? Anyway, but basically it was just, he's like, you know, he's lived there's all life. There are some serious winters in this part of the country. And, you know, how do you manage it, what to do? And it got me thinking, like, this isn't common knowledge. Like, you know, and he's an older guy. You know, he struggled with his whole life. Kind of just thought that's what it was.

Anyway, so we went through a couple things that made me think, I think we should chat about it. Just because there's a couple really important things to be doing that your whole entire system, especially when it gets going and you feel really crappy. It's like the opposite of what every fiber of your being wants to do. And yet those are going to be really important things. So let's just talk through what it is. Okay.

So let's start with the body needs a couple of things to function emotionally at its peak. So neurotransmitters need to be in a decent order. Enough vitamin D. That's something we've discovered over. you know, the last century. Yeah. We're in the next century, aren't we? And we've known it for a little while, just how important vitamin D processing is in mood

regulation. And it's, it feels kind of weird and elusive because, you know, you're like, going to get it through your milk and then you're going to get it through the sun and then you're going to get it through your vitamins or, you know, whatever. And not everyone processes it exactly the same. And there is potentially some genetic differences. So what's interesting, speaking of the old Swedish. Norwegian heritage, you know, living over there, there really is a whole season.

It's like Alaska where it is really dark. And so your access to vitamin C or vitamin D is not going to come from that source. You have to find a different way to get it. So, you know, you can take cultures that have always been in those areas and sort of see how they handle it. So I'll talk about that in a second. But, you know, I think that is a big challenge that people don't have enough. vitamin D. So when you go to your doctors and they do a blood panel and they kind of check

things out, they'll usually check your vitamin D. Do you guys know what your vitamin D levels are? Yeah, I got a blood test, uh, or my last blood test said that it was finally in a good place, but for about a year, it was real bad. And I didn't know that. And so they gave me, she's like, just take, was it 10,000 B TUs or BTUs. It's some hot vitamin D. Yeah. What am I thinking? You know, PSI, that's pounds per square inch. I can't think of it anything. Yeah. Anyway, whatever it is, units.

Just over the counter, you know, normal supplement, whatever. And I started doing that in the most recent blood test showed that D was finally in a place we want it. So, and apparently it's just some people are just lower than others or can't maintain it as much or whatever. And there can be genes. So there's a couple genes we've discovered that do certain, um, processing better than others and they can run through family lines and sometimes cultural lines like very common gene disruptor well a gene that doesn't process folic acid very well we can often find in people are descended from Germanic folks

and so surely you know some of your your and my ancestors Scott did not process vitamin D in fully the way God intended anyway yeah So that can be a part of it. So honestly, when you look at your family history, so we obviously know our, at least one member of our family history, our dad, my first exposure to his light therapy exposure was I just walked into his office once and he's surrounded by bright lights. And I'm probably eight or nine. Yeah, I remember this. And I'm like, that's a lot of light. What are you doing?

I had, I mean, no sense of what that was. And he kind of explained it, but, you know, I just was a kid, so I don't care. So I walked away. But I just never noticed, right? Like, is this in the winter? And then he would do lots of other sorts of trying to balance different vitamin deficiencies in different ways. Like, we joke about it on the show about him. What did he do?

He juiced wheat grass for a long time for what he was doing those. It would be like a plod of lawn on our front on our kitchen camera. That's what it felt like it was like a big piece of sod in there. Yeah. So gross. And he used to make me drink, like in high school. You'd be like, you need this for basketball. And it would be the grossest combination of something.

I mean, like, no, and I would almost throw up. Now I might be like, oh, cool. And I would try it. I got to say, I mean, that's really forward thinking for a dude. You know, usually like. In 1991. Yeah. There's a long time ago.

And I think, and this Scott and I probably have inherited a little bit of this of just our, are reticence with the medical profession sometimes. And I think he just didn't get good answers back in the day. And so he just kind of did his own things that made him feel better. So yeah, I mean, I didn't, that was not ubiquitous to have the lights, I think, in the 80s. No, and getting that information, he didn't go find it on Google. Yeah, there was no internets. No.

91 or prior, he would go like, I don't know where you got them, books. I don't know where you got them. You said like a magazine? Did he subscribe to like healthy living or something? It might have been like that. Yeah, like a magazine. Yeah. They're crazy though.

So he did some funny stuff. So I think we inherited a little of like, are you sure, doctor? Are you just? Yeah. And I'm worried because my kids would probably never go to the doctors themselves because I'm so bad. But anyway, I also have very low vitamin D. I was told that in Sweden. And of course in Sweden, it's really hard to get vitamin D.

So I should have believed them. And then I move here. And every year my doctor's like so are weak. stop being in denial about your vitamin D. Because I don't feel much mood effect. I say this right now. I don't experience sad very often if I do it all. And I think there's a couple of reasons which I'll get into that I do pretty naturally,

so not to try too hard. But I am doing things that are the prescription for seasonal effective disorder. So I probably have the biological, obviously I don't do vitamin D well. And I am, everyone, clap for me now. I'm taking vitamin D for the first time after being cold for 10 years. Look at you. Nicely done. When do you find?

I guess you'll find out next time you get a blood test. Yeah. So next time. I just had to have at least one embarrassing second blood test where she's like, yeah, it hasn't moved. You clearly have not done this. I'm like, oh. Oops.

So now I'm going to be a grown up and take my vitamins. And I think, yeah. So that's what's happening there. So let's get into how it's experienced. so when you Scott you say I sort of have this or we know dad did you know like what you tell me what you sort of experience give me an example and then okay um it's like uh I wouldn't call it I wouldn't compare it to like I and I don't want to say that that's not true for someone else so this is just my experience but um I don't feel like depression per se more of like a

just kind of a malaise like I don't want to do this like a little bit almost like too much sun does to me like if you're out in the sun too long get a little heat stroke enough water or whatever that feeling of like i'm just going to lay here i don't want to do anything like that feeling is how i feel with it in the winter yeah i have to like wrestle with it and go no damn it i got stuff to do and i got to force myself through it and it's it sucks i hate it like a little slug you should be born and raised in san diego it sounds like let's go let's do it and that's a lot of Cool, right? And, okay, so let me go, let me go through the signs and symptoms. And you described it pretty well. It's feeling listless, bad or down most of the day. And it's usually happening every day. It's kind of like, just like a weight on you. And energy drain. So losing interest in activities that maybe you would normally enjoy, having low energy, feeling sluggish. And then having problems with sleeping too much, kind of like a hibernation feeling. It would be really common. Craving.

I didn't have a problem with me. Yeah. You're not a hibernator. No. Carbonation, carbonation, carbohydrates, craving carbohydrates. Oh, yeah. A lot of overeating, weight gain. It's kind of a winter, like, really is bear-like.

Right. You're storing up, exactly. And then having difficulty concentrating, feeling a little bit guilty or hopeless, and then having thoughts of not wanting to live is where we get real dark, okay? so that can that can be seasonal effective and it can happen most people think oh it's just a winter thing it can happen in the fall and winter and it can also happen in the spring and summer right and so it kind of depends on some of the symptoms are different spring and summer tends to be I thought spring and summer would be the relief I mean it's the relief for me so it's all I know but I mean I assume that that would be kind of universal I didn't know it would still be or a different kind of problem I guess I don't think people call it sad often they'll just call it like summer depression or just you know different things and so

you'll have kind of the opposite problems where you want to sleep less you're experiencing insomnia your appetite is poor you lose weight it's like the bear has now out and hungry i guess um lost weight or something um agitation or anxiety and increased irritability that's what it shows up more like in the summer which is interesting um okay so why is it happening so your biological clock now this is why we hate daylight saving so much right yeah is it's like a kick into it don't you feel like it is it's like a kick you right into this feeling yeah it sucks it really does if i feel it tangibly for the fallback one the the the one we're in now where when i was a kid i was like yeah we're getting another hour because i was

dumb you know but now i see it and go oh you're just going to make it dark earlier this is lame Now I see through. Yeah, I get it now. You're lying farmers or whoever the hell. To get me to shop more later or whatever. Yeah. Okay, so you can have your biological clock can be one of the causes, right? Your circadian rhythms are off, less light, disrupts your body's internal clock.

It thinks it's winter, you know, night all the time. Serotonin levels will drop and that can affect mood and play a role. And sunlight can cause a drop in serotonin. So this isn't made up for you if you're like, oh, I don't feel so good in the dark, the winter. It's because literally there's less serotonin. And also your melatonin levels can be disrupted too. And they play a role in sleep. Right.

So risk factors, we already talk about family history. So you're more likely to have it if a blood relative had it in some form or even any other forms of depression. Sure. Having major depression or bipolar will put you at higher risk for seasonal effect. disorder, living far from the equator, all of my northern friends, and then low levels of vitamin D. Yeah. Got to get that D.

That's what I always say in the morning. I say in the morning, kid, like, you're going to take your vitamins. I go, got to get that D. Yep. Is that really what you say? I really do. I literally do, and it irritates her to death, but I do it every day. Okay.

You do it on the show, too. Yep. Okay. Good to know. All right, so then why is this a problem? So this is where I'm going to tell you about the Swedish handling of seasonal affective disorder. Okay. Which at the time, I think it's, I think it's more problematic than it is cute like I used to think it was.

Okay. And that is, so we get there and I'm in a Swedish class with immigrants from all over the place and they start to just teach us different things. So it's still light and summary outside. them. Swedish class. And then, like a language, language class?

Okay. Yeah. So then they teach us about the, they call it the winter swede and the summer swede. And you're like, oh, what's this? And it is.

And then they showed us funny pictures. And it's like cozy hunkered down, lit candles, very, you know, night, that whole cozy vibe that Swedes love and the dames love. And you hear about their little huggy,

that stuff, right? Yeah. That's the winter coziness thing. And then the, summer swede is and it's pictures of people like sunflowers just standing in the street like the sun is out for the first time and they're just absorbing the rays okay yeah that's not weird at all but yeah that's weird yeah that was so weird until my first winter yeah and then I was like oh this is

I see this is just seasonal effective disorder they've called it something they've made it cozy because it's really tough on you biochemically anyway and so then in the you know this sun comes out for the very first time, sometime in, you know, March or something, and every person stops on the street and looks at the sun like flowers, and they just stand there. It's, and I did it. And I was like, oh, okay, it's not funny anymore. This is the only way to live. Anyway.

And so some of that is, you know, an old culture that, you know, maybe mental health, I mean, they're definitely more advanced than other places. But it has been, you know, slow going to get different generations to understand the depression's a thing and that there are ways to treat that and whatnot. But really, it's the winter sweet is what I call seasonal vector disorder. And it is, can be kind of cozy too. Anyway, okay, so how do we prevent it or how do we treat it? So you guys throw out your ideas. What do you think you're going to do to manage it?

Maybe you do it yourself. I'll bet you say, I'll bet one of these is exercise, always, always on the list, right? Lots of, yeah. Okay, so why do you think exercise is on the list? I think it's because your body's real good at doing the thing it does. Producing a energy. I don't actually know. Is there an easy way to say what it does?

Because I don't actually know how to say it. Let me back up really quick. To diagnose this, I should tell you this. I forgot, is you would get a physical exam by your health care provider to make sure there's not something else going on. Right. You do want to do. Don't just jump into treating. Yeah, yeah, I should, sorry, I'm clarified.

Also, there's lab work that just looks at your blood to see if it's like your thyroid or something else because mimics all these same symptoms if you have a thyroid dysfunction. So they want to rule out other things first and then a psychological evaluation will basically tell you that you have it. sure um okay so then we get into to to treatment so let's talk about exercise so if we think about why exercise from think of from an evolutionary standpoint what does it mean if you're moving in your sort of ancient hunter gatherer sort of community what would be what would is moving around mean and do um that's it protects you you know you're not sitting in one place No one's going to come to kill you. Yeah, that's true.

What else? You're getting food. You're accessing the thing that will keep you alive. So in both instances, moving means getting to food sources, preparing food sources, eating and surviving, and then it also means running from threats or, you know, that type of thing, right? Because think about just, you know, the modern human sloth that we become sometimes, how dangerous that would be out in the wild. Yeah, yeah, it would be no good.

We're just all soft sitting there. It would not go well. No. Okay, so there is chemicals that are released. The body is functioning in certain ways for, you know, exerting energy, requiring energy. It's doing all sorts of things that are live, aliveness, right? And I think that's a big piece of what it can counter when you are having the slowing down hibernation feeling. is that it forces your body to remember that it has to move and it's alive.

And you don't want to. You're having the exact opposite experience of like, no, I think I'll sit here. I think I'll just stay right where I'm at. Yeah. So you have to force it to some extent for you to have the benefit of it, obviously. For people, sometimes they can just keep doing their routine or maybe they slow down a little bit, but it really does bring endorphins trick their system into repairing muscle that gets, you know, like it has jobs to do rather than, you know, the, it's a constant pull between rest and conserve energy.

Right. And you've got to expend energy to survive. And if we only rest and conserve, then our brains really don't like it in the end. So that's one of the things. Okay, good. So exercise. All right. I like the light idea.

Like having lots of light on you. I mean, it feels like it, especially if you can get the warm light as opposed to cool, like lots of yellows and oranges. and that sort of thing. So is that stuff like, okay, so again, here comes skeptical 80s. My dad used the light and I always wondered if it was working kind of brain. But did, does, I mean, do the lights do stuff? They do stuff then. They work.

I mean, they do. Okay. They do. All right. It's one of the first treatments to try when you have fall onset seasonal effective disorder. And it'll generally start working in a few days, up to a few weeks. And obviously it doesn't have many side effects, right? but it's the research is limited and that's why i say it works and then i hesitate um because it is

effective for most people um lots of people can kind of not feel that much of the difference but it maybe it's fine yeah um but then maybe it's more complex and so it is one of those things like we don't have enough longitudinal really good studies to to know i mean we have some evidence for sure but it's a lot of it is people and I've worked lots of people who've used it and it's anecdotally 100% for everyone who's tried it now could that be slight um like wishful thinking and hoping and yay or whatever maybe but the reality is real sunlight yeah absolutely does it yeah right so I don't know how it's if it's not going to harm you it really is either effective or neutral because some of those lights they claim that they do a thing

I know. And that's where you get into the, the hokom, the hokom of it. And who's going to make money off you? And, you know, so you'd need to do some research on ones a lot of people have tried and that are not out to rip you off. Because there is some quality you need to make sure you're not getting like skin cancer from this because it's just someone putting in a tanning bed light. Right. Right. But that it's also not just a like a regular LED light bulb that's doing nothing for you. Okay. So that is something to consider. The other is a natural form of this. And when you live in the Great North, you don't really have this option. So travel really is your best shot if you can do it in the winter. So we had some friends in Sweden. She had, it was their daughter had, it's not rosacea, but some kind of skin disorder that got really bad. And it would get really bad in the winter. And so her prescription from her doctor was to go to Spain every winter. So every winter, they go, and part of the payment, it came from the doctor, you know, the clinic that was covered by. So that was a actual prescription that they could cover with their national health care. That's crazy. And I will tell you why, you know, and this is not, this was, it was astounding to watch. She would turn to like a snake shedding skin. Like, she looked terrible.

She was like 16, 17. It was awful. And then they'd go to Spain for a week and it would heal it, clean it up, whatever. She'd come back. She'd be pretty fine the rest of the winter and then the next winter it would start over again. I mean, it was the only treatment. I mean, I guess you could try creams and stuff, but it was nothing like the sun. I want my doctor to go, oh, your leg hurts?

Spain. Here's a Spain. You need a trip to Hawaii. They'll send you a three weeks to like a relaxation place so you can relax so your shoulder stops hurting. Yeah. He's a board clinic. I'm sure. I'm sure my

insurance will definitely cover that here. Talley, who's one of the scientists in our world, says that the optic nerve has direct neural inputs into the super chiasmatic nucleus, almost called it the chasmatic nucleus,

the area that regulates circadian rhythm. So that's why the light does help us. It does. And it's the thing that's saying it's night or day. So pre-artificial light, that's all you had to tell you if it was night and day. Right. Yeah, yeah. And so that's just how we're built.

It's just basically you're fooling yourself into believing that daylight savings hasn't made it dark at 5 p.m. And here's the key. So, Scott, you probably remember this. Dad would be up early doing this. Oh, yeah. Right? So if you want to do light therapy, you don't start at noon. That does not help you.

You've got to start. You train the circadian with rhythms like, like. like the good scientist said. So that is key. You can't just like, you know, randomly have. And I have a friend here who just has it on while she works all day. And I'm like, maybe. I don't know.

But real light, if you can do it. And this is, so, Scott, I sent you a little, a little meme thingy. Oh, yeah. I want to show this. Text. Yeah. So share that. I love this.

It's like mindful fitness set it. Whoever the heck that is. I don't even know. But I love this. idea. If you choose not to find joy in snow, you will have less joy in your life, but still the same amount of snow. That's true. And that, to me, we could translate that into finding sunlight in the winter. Right. It doesn't matter where you are, right? Like, snow is a good, you know, exactly. Like, you know what it does it for me is if I see little kids, when my kids are little or

van now, they see snow and they lose their minds. They're so stoked about it. They want to go play in it. They want to go make, you know, snowballs and snowmen and all that. And I see it and I go, I got to shovel that stuff. They don't have to drive in it. They don't have to shovel it. Right now, it's just a toy. So you say, you say I should go outside and

freaking get wet. Let's go. Let's get some snow going. And think about that for a moment from a kid's perspective. I can run and jump on hard ground and it doesn't hurt. That is a metaphysical miracle. You get enough of it pile of

up you can jump off the roof and land in it and then of course ride down it on boards and you can have snowball fights and you know all those things so we had a huge huge snowstorm the other day it snowed from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. So a whole workday of just snowed. It's a lot. And everyone reacts differently to it right. And so some of it is finding the and this is why the mindfulness thing pops up probably with this is like how you perceive it you can change how you perceive it so for example when you first think i got to go shovel you have a story about snow that you are saying and believing and going to go make true right yeah or could you take 10 minutes and go lay in it yeah like when's the last time you did a snow angel it's been a long time

but i love i used to love doing them it's great 30 years 40 years 40 years There is nothing like a snow angel. It's been a long time. To remind you of all that is like the childhood thing, right? The thing that kids access very easily because they don't have to shovel or drive. And so if you could just take a minute and do a kid thing first, throw a snowball at Kim. And that's just enough to just be present with it, right? And then you've got to still do all of those other things.

I highly recommend a really good snowblower and a really good. podcast. You find ways to find some joy in it. So here's the thing. If all of that just makes you miserable and the stories about it are misery, then it is misery. So you just have to be able to mess with those stories. And it's the way to get outside. So, you know, Minnesota is clearly a very cold place in the winter and there's always tons of snow. There is an endless supply of things to do here outside in the winter. Endless. Every single park has two, skating rakes, one for the pros and one for the not pros. And a warming house where you can get warm and change and get in your gear. Like that's every neighborhood everywhere, which is why a lot of

hockey comes from here, people. But. Not so much here. And that's because that ice will stay all winter and it makes sense. But then there's also things like, you know, we fly kites on frozen lakes in like 1,000 people meet and fly their kites. Like you have to find a way to do it. And usually your community will have ways. So maybe you guys remember this. They started a long time ago called the November crap. And they all work out together in like the worst. Not the polar bear club.

It's not the polar bear club. November something and they all get together and work out no matter what the weather is. I don't know what they're like huge groups and they're running up stadium steps. Crazy people. Almost like a crossfit kind of culty thing or just kind of. Kind of. And I think what it is is like. It gives you a couple things, right?

Like you're braving the cold, you're doing the exercise thing, you're bonding with people. The polar bear plunge is another one. Yeah. I've heard of that. There's also this really fun thing in Denmark every New Year's Day. Every one, like thousands of people all jump in this free things. It's so crazy. They do that here too, yeah, and Cherry Creek Reservoir and stuff.

Here they have an open. You can keep ice open, obviously, on a lake if you just keep cutting it. maintaining it. And it's like a cold hot tub and it's in downtown Minneapolis on one of the lakes and people just go and have a cold hot tub swim with each other every day. And their mental health is way better than everyone else's by the way. So there is, there is so much value to the accepting of the adverse conditions to and still finding joy. It's not easy. We aren't actually built to do it. We're built to hunker down and protect ourselves from elements. But we have to use our front brain that says no one no one's going to die getting in this cold water unless

you know you can but you won't um and no one's going to die being with a big group um hiking up this hill even though it's raining like you you can push through some of those biological necessities to survive and there is a mental benefit from that it's interesting because usually um it feels like when we try to go counter to our evolutionary aims right right like survival stuff and all of that we sometimes get in trouble um but this is one where we want to kind of resist those primordial well okay so tell me real quick in modern life yeah an example of what you just said oh gosh um yeah it's funny you ask that because I was just my brain was thinking when you stand on the edge of of something and your your body almost tells you to jump

off of it that sort of thing that or or to shrink back from it like it's still a good example like When I go, when I go to the Hoover Dam down in Vegas, I love that place. I think that's some of the most, I just love that whole area there. Beautiful. But when I get up on the dam, I need to crawl and hide because I'm so, I get really heights issues up there. And, you know, whereas Carter has none of that. She's swinging over the edge and being awake too busy. You and I probably have different experiences at Hoover Dam.

Yeah, I love the dam, but I can't stand the heights. And so the feelings I'm getting are, I assume, are these, like, built in, like, warnings. And so, but I don't need to be afraid where I am because I'm in, I'm on stable ground. I'm in a place where I'm not going to wipe it. So I don't know why. I mean, those feelings are still going to be there. But my need to follow those feelings to the letter isn't there anymore. Like it was when I was, you know, running away from, say, were two tigers or falling out of trees or whatever.

the crap our ancestors did. And so I think... That's actually a really great example. A great example of a anxiety doing its job or fear doing its job, which is like this, our visual perception of depth here is telling us that death is imminent if we are not careful. Yeah. So it's heightening your body to do the thing it needs to do. So it's doing its job.

Good job, body. Good job, body. The problem is most of us, like doom scrolling is a great example. Let's bring fear and, like, let's create the perception of we are in danger with, there's no way to relieve that. I can't back away from the dam and then have my nervous system calm down. I can just keep diving into terrible things, right? And depression is a response to that kind of constant, not all depression is caused by this. let's put that caveat out there, but for some of us, depression is the body's response

to powerlessness, it can't do anything about that, too much fear. I've never met a person who hasn't had chronic anxiety their whole life and eventually experienced depression because it just burns through their endocrine system in that sense and suddenly, you know, like it doesn't hold up to the constant fear. Sure. So it's about experiencing the cortisol, the stress. you know, all the things that get released and then having a break from them. The problem with modern lives.

So that's why I asked you to give me an example because there is actually no example that isn't, isn't, so there's the safety things of don't like, you know, don't actually jump off the Hoover Dam. Yeah. But it's getting yourself into stressful situations and having yourself relax again is actually the most healthy thing for us. Most of our disease, heart disease, diabetes, other sort of. of long chronic killing us slowly from the inside kinds of things come from too much comfort,

which we are really driven to have. Yeah, we like comfort. And not enough exposure to, you know, action, death, you know, threats. And then the relief of those things. Instead, we have a chronic drip of cortisol, get up and work and do the same things, that type of thing. I wanted to do this on a different show, but this fits really well. I don't know if anyone, if you guys have watched. Is it limitless?

No, not Hemsworth. I hear he's shirtless in it, and I certainly don't need to see any more of that. That's the only reason I'm watching it. It's so good. Making us all feel inadequate. It's fine. No, I love it. I love it, first of all, because the science is good, and he is funny, and he takes his buddies

and his brothers on all these different things he's doing, and they just relentlessly tease him the whole time. Do they, does he take the lumpy brother from Westworld, the one that no one knows about? I don't know, maybe, maybe, but my favorite is his two buddies. He's doing one on, on what fasting does to the body, and they're supposed to fast with him, and they, like, sneak off and eat pizza, and they just rip on him. Anyway, it's, it's very, I think they've done a good job of, like, taking Thor, making him seem weak and human, and he still has a good body, but his... Yeah, but he still can't humanize that guy for him as too.

funny and like the way he is with his kids and like it's really funny anyway but watching it the science and it's really good and why I would recommend people doing it and it'd be fun to talk about sometime is it's this very thing of pushing ourselves

to be uncomfortable to give us actual health and longevity he's you know and maybe you saw the news where in the last episode he realized he has the genes for Alzheimer's. Oh I didn't realize it was in that episode I thought it was just uh I saw the news, but I thought it was just some other side thing. No, no. It's in doing this project,

he realizes. And the whole thing is, I think he's 40 now. And I think he's just like aging is hard and he wants to live and his kids are young. And they are, they seem like wild banshees. They're so cute. Whoa. It's very funny. But anyway, I would recommend it. If you, if you're interested in all in this, like getting out of your comfort zone as an important way to, be healthy. And SAD really is an example of the only way to treat it. Now, you can medicate it like people do, and you can, you know, try the light therapy. You can do all these different things, but time outside, exercise, and light are the most effective natural forms of doing this. And then secondarily are some of these other things. So if you could combine a few of those things,

it really helps. So when I said earlier, like, I don't struggle with it. I should take a picture of my office it is it's like um a three season room yeah that i have to heat so i'm freezing all the time but i am i'm surrounded by windows so all day i have natural light and and deer run by and all this herd of freaky turkeys and a herd of freaky turkeys they're like 11 they're so freaky and they're always the day after thanksgiving walk around so they're like well we made another And they will not get out of the road when you need to drive. Anyway, and then trees. So I am in a very natural setting all day long.

And I think it's absolute key for me. And then I spend a lot of time outside. I like the snow. I have lots of fun in it. And that's not hard for me. But I have the predisposition for sure. And I also have the vitamin D problem. So maybe it's not the answer to everyone, but I feel like it really has been.

And it's something I couldn't do in Sweden. And I felt like I had SAD in Sweden, absolutely. Really? I'd have to go to Egypt to get sun. And I just didn't do that and couldn't do that. And so it was just. How often did you feel that way just in a certain time of that year? Was it kind of all the time?

So it's basically winter whole time. But what it was is I could sleep till 10 a.m. I've never slept until 10 a.m. Since I was a little. How late would it stay dark? Because I'm guessing that during the peak of winter, it's like. Oh, yeah. four hours of daylight or something.

It's like seeing the sun just doing like a little blip over the horizon. And then it would be at high noon and then it would go down. Wow. So it was hard. And we were, you know, we're in the bottom third of Sweden. There were people up north who it's just dark 24-7. Yeah. And then in the summer it's sunny 24-7.

That's a magical brain that can handle that. But that's also, you know, people can move there and figure it out. I feel like you have to come from generations of people to do that. So anyway, so it was very clear to me. And so while we were there, it was my 40th birthday with a bunch of friends. And we all met in Mexico. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, middle of winter.

And I got off that plane. I had to fly 24 hours, people, but I did not care. And I got off that plane and it felt like a reach, like a like I could feel it refilling. And I was like, oh, I don't. I don't know if I'm okay. Yeah. So I didn't have much of the mood stuff. It was mainly fatigue and she just felt like a bear.

Like, good night. No one touched me and let me have more carbs. That's what it was. So it's tricky. So it depends on where you live. And there are people who have plenty of sunshine and still have this experience or they'll have it in the summer. So it isn't all just like, you know, be out the sun and you'll be fine.

So I would recommend a good evaluation to determine this. get your blood work done make sure there isn't something else going on sure um and then you know there's a couple of things i forgot and i was trying to be different this time and tell you that psychotherapy is an option too oh yeah always right yeah let's not forget that uh at the end of thing oh and the other thing was i thought it was you that told me to watch the uh the stuts thing that uh no recall recommended yesterday it's not windy somebody else told me this i want you to see it now and then tell us what you think okay um the person i do you heard from is also in therapy and they said it was an amazing thing and what they described to me

sounds like how you work. Oh, okay. So S-S-T-U-T-S? S. Z. Yeah, you're right. Z. And it's Jonah Hill made this movie about his therapist who he claims just like completely turned his life around and wanted to share how this guy works. And apparently, apparently this stuff's like right up the windy alley. So, okay, what if we do that for next week? I'll watch it and then And other people can watch it if they want. Oh, yeah, that's great. Well, I want to watch it anyway, so let's do it. Okay.

I love it. I just want to be finished with Dahmer. My God. Oh, Dahmer. I watched that the first week it came out. Just walk away. It is, it's rough. It's rough.

It's rough. And there's, you know, we're now on, we just finished episode eight, I think, last night, or seven maybe. And really, you can skip episodes three, four, and five. I mean, it feels like. Like, you know, Ryan, what is it, Brad Falchuk and Ryan, whatever, the American Horror Story guy. Yeah, Glee, I can't think he was his name. It's like he, you know, he said, how can I stretch this story out to 10 episodes? Yeah, it could have been a movie, to be honest.

I think I could have pulled that off. Yeah, exactly. What's his name's very good in this? Evan Peters is great. He's very, very good. And Duda plays his dad, who, character actor that we see in everything. Oh, uh, he won, he won for that lady. in the water.

Yeah, right. Yes. Hey, guys. I'm going to raise my hand here and say, I'm going to go. I love it. I love that we did that to you. All right. Have a fantastic week, Wendy.

We'll be back with more. Enjoy your turkey bones. Whatever's left. I'll see you later. Bye. That's amazing. Yeah, what's his name? Richard?

Richard. Yeah, yeah. Klein. No. No. You're trying to do this without a look at the chat room. Richard. Richard?

something. First time I ever saw, not cheese. First time I ever saw him was in Silverado. It was very young. I think of him as the dad in six feet under, too. Yep, he's in that. He's in a lot of stuff. And we always like him.

And he does Gilmore Del Toro movies all the time. He was in the American version of Let the Right One in. I can't think of it. Richard Prime Climb. Richard. I can look it up. Yeah. Jenkins.

Jenkins. Gosh, dang it. Thank you, Free Rangers. Yes, Richard Jenkins. He just sounds like

somebody's neighbor. It's such a hard name to remember. Jenkins. Jenkins. Jenkins gets in here. That's right. Give me the Penske file. All right.

That is a lot. 11 o'clock already. Sorry, folks. This is a long show today. But don't worry. We're done. We're going to get out of here.

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party tomorrow two three sorry three p m three three more miss marvel more miss marvel we're going and keep tearing through that. Maybe a couple of them. We can squeeze in. And film sack this weekend, core tonight at five, Coverville today at one. I'm just all over the place on the time. You're doing a great job remembering because I don't think we've got it listed here, do we? No.

We don't even have it listed. But yeah, I probably guess the connection tomorrow. I'm going to give away a, oh, like a teenage mutant ninjas turtle's figure or something. What is that? I'll show people what I'm giving away. Let's see what you got. Oh, Street Fighter 2. You're going to win Balchie, or Zangif, Ball Chief.

Ball Chief. Oh, I like Ball Chief. Ball Chief. You're going to win Ball Chief. How come he looks so spindly in his figure, but the... Yeah, I mean, because it's, you know, he's a Capcom Super 7 action figure. It's not great. It seemed better.

But that's still fun to get. Yeah. Maybe even better to get it that way. Anyway, so there's that win a ball chief. What a ball chief. Ball Chief. Ball-Rog is who you were thinking of, and he mixes it. up with Zangeefe. So Ball Chief.

That'll do it for all of that then. So just lots of content is the point. Make sure you check all that stuff out. I've also updated the frogpants.com slash contact listing of all the social places that we post things now. And if you're interested, if you're like, oh, I'm on Mastodon or I'm on freaking whatever, it's all up there. So go find it. So much better at that than I am. Well, I just feel like I got to be wherever this all lands. Who knows where it lands? I don't know. Freaking, the whole thing gives me gas.

All right. We're out of here. Let's play music. You have music? I do. Rob Blander wrote in and said, Hi, guys. My wife, Teresa, is a huge fan of TMS and Film Sack, and she's turning 50 this weekend. Could you play her a cover of Billy Joel for her birthday? I realize it can't be on the day, but maybe during the week of December 5th. She loves scenes from an Italian restaurant and Vienna. Or anything from the album, The Stranger. I think I'm supposed to say Love the Show.

though, but honestly, I do love the show. You two do great work. Please keep doing it best, Rob. Oh. 50, big one. Nice job. Congratulations. You said it, kid.

All right. So, yeah, happy 50th, Teresa. And we love having you and your husband listen to the show. So appreciate it. Let's get to a cover of Vienna. You know, you just can't do a cover of Vienna and not open it with that fantastic piano riff. This one changes it a little bit from the Billy. Joel version, but sometimes you just need something that honors the original, just with a different

vocalist. This is Tony Luca and a cover of Vienna from his album, Rendezvous with the Angels. Here is Vienna. Slow down, you crazy child. You're so ambitious for a juvenile, but then if you're so smart, tell me why are you still so afraid? Where's the fire? What's the hurry about? You better cool it off before you burn it out. You got so much to do and only so many hours in the day. But you know that when the truth is told

You can get what you want Or you can just get old You're going to kick off Before you even get halfway through When will you realize The Anna waits for you Slow down You're doing fine

Can't be everything you want to be Before your time Although it's so romantic On the borderline Tonight Tonight Too bad but it's the life you leave You're so ahead of yourself

But you forgot what you need Though you can see when you're wrong You know you can always see When you're right You're right You got your passion, you got your pride Don't you know that only fools are satisfied You're going to dream on

Just don't imagine they'll all come true When will you realize Vienna waits for you Slow down, you crazy child, take the phone off the hook and disappear for a while. It's all right you can afford to lose a day or two. Why don't you realize? The end up waits for you But you know that when the truth gets told

You can get what you want Or you can just get old You're gonna kick off before you even get halfway through Well you'll realize The inner waits for you Why don't you realize the inner waits for you? This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Frog Pants Network.

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