The Morning Stream - TMS 2414: Portal Fixation

Episode Date: February 1, 2023

America: We have the ports. Neither Guinea Nor Pig. Pure Frickin' Water. I can't Stand the Guy but I want his hair. I'd tap that cactus. That Doesn't Make Any Sense, So No. Distill my beating heart. W...hat letter isn't in there? 7. Man of the Dessert. Cactus-Fried Kidneys. Canceling Just to Spite You with Tom. You shouldn't have to ask for recommentals with Nicole and Randy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Coming up on TMS, America, we have the ports. Neither guinea nor pig. Pure freaking water. Can't stand the guy, but I won his hair. I'd tap that cactus. That doesn't make any sense, so no. Distill my beating heart. What letter isn't in there?
Starting point is 00:00:15 Seven. Man of the desert. Cactus fried kidneys. Cancelling just to spite you with Tom. You shouldn't have to ask for recommendals with Nicole and Randy and more on this episode of the Morning Stream. I hope you're not taking it out on your wife. What?
Starting point is 00:00:30 I would never hurt my wife. That's not the rumor I started. I hope that you get ran over. The morning stream. I wonder what kind of world we're opening the door on. Good morning, everyone. It's the morning stream for February 1st, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson today with Bobby Frankenberger.
Starting point is 00:01:07 Hello, Bobby. Hello, thank you for welcoming me. Well, you know, you're always welcome. Bobby's here sitting in for Brian because he's got a physical therapy back thing today. Got a good last second appointment and was like, oh, it's going to be Wednesday. What can we do? And I said, I'll bet Bobby can. And then you said yes.
Starting point is 00:01:26 And then everything was fine. And that's what happened. yeah that's uh that's the story that is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth we're glad to be here uh nice to see you all there's a few things going on today of course the usual we got tom later we got recommendals after that bobby you even sent in a recommendal fantastic i sure did i was prepared this time yeah yeah good job um i think all four of us uh i think randy and Nicole will be here today so we got full house on that yep so that'll be fun in the meantime i just want to share well a short story with you people all right gather around gather around the fire you're all okay chat room
Starting point is 00:02:06 you're already here so settle in you know in fact you know what let's do let's get a little something here that's uh you have any story time music we use it we usually use us on core but i'll use it today it's uh the dear martha music for your average ken burns documentary and um and i'd like to share this interaction i had on twitter all right here it is somebody posted the following and I replied to it, so I'll read what the first poster posted. Just because you have a piece of paper saying that you're an American doesn't mean that you have equal claim to this country, or as those who can trace their ancestry on this land back to before the government that gave you that paper. So this is just setting the scene for what the following conversation would be, right? Yeah. And then I replied to it with a very simple reply. My reply was, Native Americans were here first.
Starting point is 00:02:57 right not even looking for a fight just kind of pointing out it's a there's a flaw in your weird xenophobic tweet about you know if you're if you're an immigrant to this country like my brother he got his nationalization when he was like 12 or something uh that he has any you know more or less claim a claim quote unquote claim to this country than this guy does and so i just wanted to point that out that like uh you know there were things before uh certainly before you were born your weirdo. Anyway, so that's my only reply. I just said Native Americans were here first. That's it. Left it in the ether. Some stranger, I don't even know. I just was in my timeline. I get a reply from a separate dude, not the same dude, different dude.
Starting point is 00:03:40 This is a third person. A new challenger has entered. A new challenger has entered the arena. Yeah. And he says this, then why didn't they found the U.S. build ports and cities? Okay. So that was his question. And I replied in a way that you might not be surprised how I replied. I replied thusly. Good point. Wow, I'm blown away by your knowledge. I said, I have read a lot of incredibly stupid things on the internet since 1994.
Starting point is 00:04:11 And I have to say, in those 28 years or so, I have never read anything this stupid. Truly, the new level of shit right here, I said to him. So again, poking the bear a little bit. I probably shouldn't be doing this. I try not to, but I was super annoyed by this answer. Sometimes you can't help yourself. Because when people, when you say something like, well, how about the indigenous people are here before?
Starting point is 00:04:33 And their answer is, why didn't they found U.S. build ports and cities then? How come they didn't invent beer? Like, what do you even talk? What are you even saying? Right. It's so profoundly stupid. I couldn't not answer.
Starting point is 00:04:46 So, he replies. After I said that, he says, why didn't they build a single port? he's really hung up on ports. This is what that person said, right? Yeah, he's really hung up on ports. Why didn't they build a single port? Yeah, he's probably got like five USB hubs at home because he just has to have more ports, all the ports.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Anyway, my answer to him was, keep digging, use this, it will make it faster, and I attached a pitcher of a shovel. All right? So I was getting a little snarky there, Johnson snark. Then he replied to me with the following, and I, oh, geez, that's not supposed to play so that. I apologize. He replied to me with the following. He says, oh, no, then I, sorry, I added to that.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Oh, and change this utter horseshit at your earliest convenience, and then an attachment that was a picture of his profile where he was describing himself as a sensible centrist. Oh, oh, shots fired. You're saying, you're calling him out. I'm not even saying centrist is the problem. I'm saying sensible is the problem,
Starting point is 00:05:51 because what are you, you know. That is some horse shit right there. So then he writes, can you actually state an argument? I said, can you? He said, where are the ports? Where are the ports? Where are the ports?
Starting point is 00:06:09 And then I said, that's not an argument. And I linked a definition to argument on Merriam-Webster Dictionary. He's not replied as of this reading. Maybe he really didn't know what an argument was. He might not. Maybe I, you know, this whole time, you know, he just didn't know. I don't know. Look, man, I'm not, I try to stay out of really stupid conversations where clearly I'm dealing
Starting point is 00:06:34 with somebody who's either really young or just trolling or whatever it is. Like, it doesn't even matter. Right, right, right, right. But this one just got under my skin. It just annoyed me. Well, what is it about ports? Does, like, a port, does, does the country the port make? I don't know, like, the idea that if you don't have, all right, let's say you've got, I don't know, take any time or era and is the complaint, if you have ports, you're great, if you don't have ports, you're not, and therefore, like if some, okay, here you go, how about this?
Starting point is 00:07:11 We're, we are who we are now. And let's say somebody comes to this country with some vastly superior technology or whatever it may be, they come to the shore with. it although they'd come by air probably but whatever it is whatever equivalent to you know explores hitting north america and central america back then whatever that equivalent would be today whatever superiority they would have and they came here and they went oh well the people are already here no big deal we're just going to give in our strength and our on our uh our guns and our willingness to shove them to the side we're just going to push them all into what we'll call reservations or whatever little little zones uh around the country and then let's say he's one
Starting point is 00:07:56 of those dudes in a modern version of this so that so now what's your what's your argument now you know what I'm saying you were you were second level indigenous because you were born here okay fine I'll give you that but now you've been pushed into this hole too so so and the new guys are going well it's ours now And now we're going to build space ports. Yeah, they're going to build space ports. Why didn't you build a spaceport? If this was your country, where's your spaceport?
Starting point is 00:08:27 Right. Exactly. And then what's your argument? Like, it's just so narrow of a view, above point of view, that I couldn't let it go. So this is two things. This is me confessing that I broke my own rule this year. I was not going to engage in this kind of bullshit at all.
Starting point is 00:08:45 I was going to avoid it. Yeah. But, man, I don't know why this one just. jumped out of me couldn't have been dumber. And does he think it in the reverse direction? Does this person think that if you want to found a country, all you have to do is build a
Starting point is 00:08:59 port? Yeah, see, that's weird to me. Because you could argue there are lots of countries in the world that don't have any you know, what does he even a port? What does that mean, a port? Does he mean trade? Does he mean, like, there's no nuance to this dude's brain. Or he's just trolling hard, and it's
Starting point is 00:09:16 entirely possible that he is, okay? And that I fell for a troll. I'm not saying it's not possible. Stuff's happened before. But it didn't matter. This is one of those interactions where I was just like, if I'd have met this person in real life, I would have had this. I would have had to have had this conversation. Like in a restaurant, if I overheard someone
Starting point is 00:09:33 behind me going, well, if you didn't have ports of cities, then you don't belong here or whatever, I would have turned around and said something. Yeah, I think we can get some insight onto this person's where they're thinking just at the very beginning. You said Native Americans were here first, and the
Starting point is 00:09:49 first thing they said is, then why didn't they found the U.S.? Yeah, why didn't they found the U.S.? As if the United States is like an inevitability. Well, see, all right. No, I think you touched on it. I think you touched on this. What's that divine, or no, what's the name of it? There's a thing term for this. Oh, the manifest destiny. Manifest destiny. People get that in their head really hardcore, be partly because it's been pounded into their head, really hardcore for years. And the older I get, the more I realize just that can be that's an insidious little thing that gets under your skin and just like starts to eat away at your morality and I hate it. I freaking hate it because I love my country. I love the United States of America. I love living here. I'm glad I was born here. I like a lot of things about it. We've got our problems, but I'm a proud American. But I'm not stupid as dirt like Mr. Ports and Cities over here. I can look at things realistically and make an honest assessment of our own complicated history. not that hard, you know?
Starting point is 00:10:49 Right. Also, they probably did have ports. Yeah, probably did. They probably had coastal stuff. They were just small fishing port. Like, what's the, they didn't have giant cities. Yeah, neither did we when we got here, by the way. Like, we didn't just show up and go, New York, poof.
Starting point is 00:11:07 There it is. Look at New York with its shining, glistening, uh, tall things and whatnot. So that didn't happen. We didn't do that. So they just have this idea in their heads. it's all in their heads it's this made up freaking story and i don't know why they don't have a moment in their life where they're sitting there you know pouring over a burger and fries and just think to themselves well wait a minute maybe it's more nuanced than i think it is they don't have that
Starting point is 00:11:31 moment and they're going to grow into be a grumpy old piece of shit sitting in their lazy boy yelling at the tv convinced that this has always been the way right that annoys me and that's true New York was once New Amsterdam, but very briefly, as we've learned from the... Why they changed it, I can't say. That's because the Giants showed up. Yeah, people just liked it better that way. Anyway, so start you off in a trolley mood, but I also got a text about Bobby or for Bobby, all right? I love it when you get these.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Yeah, they're great, because, you know, you deal in science discussion when you're on the show. And so I think a lot of people, if they hear anything that goes off their version of the wagon, they want to pipe in. I'm not sure this is what that is. But anyway, here it is. Let's read this thing. Came to us at 801471062. Here's a TMS comment. Bobby was talking about a rudder on his airplane.
Starting point is 00:12:34 I work at golf. Yeah, exactly. I guess it's not technically your airplane. It's an airplane. That's correct. It's the one you fly. Is it always the same when you go on there? It is always the same one.
Starting point is 00:12:45 They have a trainer airplane that they use. So it is always the same one. But you're right. It's not my airplane. I'm just renting it when I'm using it. And when you do, is that on purpose that it's always familiar and you're not working in different environments and stuff like that? Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:12:58 This is a smaller flight school right now. So they only have the one trainer airplane. So I don't know how it's always done at other schools, but I would assume that they like to keep you in the same plane if they have more than one. That would make sense, right? the controls are going to be just a little different. Yeah, and you want to get good at one set before you start, like, throwing around a bunch of different kinds. That's right.
Starting point is 00:13:23 All those different, the very different flavors you can get of plane. Yeah, lots of different flavors. That's right. So it says, I work at Gulfstream where we build aircraft. Gulfstream's a, I guess, an aircraft manufacturer, but I don't know this. Is that a name I should know? I guess I should know that. Yeah, it's a pretty big one.
Starting point is 00:13:39 I always just think of Boeing. What's the British Airways? I guess British Airways? Yeah, they make jets. A lot of private jets are Gulf Streams. Yeah, for whatever reason. I've heard G700, the G500, all those G-planes. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:14:00 I didn't realize that. I'd heard the term Gulfstream. I didn't know they made, I don't know why I didn't know that. It's weird. Anyway, so they make private jets and stuff? Anyway. Yeah. Says I had just started in the accounting department.
Starting point is 00:14:13 And my boss asked me to email a guy about the rudder from an earlier meeting. I had no idea about airplanes yet. Oh, that must have been a little scary. My email referenced the rudder and that guy sent my boss and I an email that the new guy needed to know how to spell parts of the plane because he spelled it R-U-T-T-E-R instead of R-U-D-D-E-R. Right. Exactly. It's got D's not T's. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:37 So the typo frightened him, I guess. Anyway, needs no, let's see, he got me, oh, gave me a hard time for that for years. Still at Goldstream over 23 years and I will research parts in the system before I screw up again. Well, that's good to hear. That's good to hear. That's very funny and probably it was very embarrassing. Yeah, no, right? I agree.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Do you ever want to, okay, what, is there a future where Bobby's flying a private plane, you know? Like my own plane that I own? Well, no, no, like you're hired to like, by, I don't know, you're flying post Malone around the country or something like that. So I would love to, you'd have to be a commercial pilot with a commercial license to, to, if you're a private pilot, so there's basically three general levels of pilot licensing and, um, and they're the private pilot. there's more than this i will say so save your emails people i do know that there are more than this um but uh there's a private pilot there's a commercial pilot and then there's an at p pilot which is an airline transport pilot okay um so the highest level is airline transport you got to that's that's you're flying for the airlines but a commercial pilot is is anybody who gets paid to fly a plane
Starting point is 00:15:52 so as a private pilot with only a private pilot's license i cannot fly a plane for money it's illegal oh i didn't know that that seems a little harsh how do they ever get pilots then how does that work well you just have to get a hot you just have to go and get your commercial license it's more more training it's um maybe the next step after after you're a private pilot you'd usually get an instrument rating after that and then many people go on after an instrument rating to get their commercial license okay um and it's just you just you're learning to be an know, more proficient and an expert at flying. Okay. That makes sense.
Starting point is 00:16:31 But I would love to be a commercial pilot, actually. I think it would be really amazing to get to fly and get paid to do the things I love doing. But you have to have vision that is corrected to 2020. You can still be blind in one eye. That's fine. But in the vision that you do have, it has to be corrected to 2020. And it's not clear. Most doctors have told me that my vision.
Starting point is 00:16:57 can only be corrected to 2025 because of just a defect in my eye because I have what's called a nastagnus, it moves around, it shakes. Oh, yeah, so that'll, okay, that's interesting. So that's too much of a variation. That seems pretty slight. It's not very much. Yeah, and I do want to get to my eye doctor and, like, say, look, just, I'm not going to be devastated if I can't get a commercial license.
Starting point is 00:17:22 It's always in my, I've always thought that I won't be able to, but I want to go to my doctor and be like, look, is there anything that is possible to do to correct this to 2020 just because if it is possible, then maybe I would start thinking in that direction. But if it's not, I want to know, so I can stop. Just so that's a door I can close. Yeah, you can just say, well, all right, I can't do that. Right. I'm surprised.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Like I said, it won't break my heart or anything because I assume that I can't, but I would like to. So the 2020, this is a dumb question. I'm going to get heat for this. The 2020 thing is per eye. It's not both eyes somehow. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes, yeah. Yeah, because 2020, the two numbers don't refer to the two eyes.
Starting point is 00:18:09 It refers to how close you have to be in order to see the same things that a person with perfect vision can see at a different. So a better example, instead of thinking about it 2020, to understand what it means is, It's easier to think about non-perfect vision. So if your vision is 2030, then what a person with 2020 vision can stand and see at 30 feet away, you have to stand 20 feet away to see the same thing. Oh, it's feet? I didn't know that. I don't know if it's feet.
Starting point is 00:18:48 It might just be, I don't think it matters if it's feet or meters or anything because it's really just a ratio. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So if you have 20-50 vision, then what you can see, what you have to be 20 feet away from to see, someone else with 20-20 vision could be 50 feet away from in C. Well, the good news is this. You have better eyesight with one eye than I have in both my eyes total. What's yours? I don't remember the number, but it's not anywhere close to 2025. I mean, it's good enough to see for what I need to do for functioning, but if I needed to fly a plane, I don't think they'd let me.
Starting point is 00:19:25 be like, what's that? Oh, it's a bird. Where is it going? Right into our engine. Oh, no, I was wrong. It's a freaking Russian mig and we're all going to die. Like, I think I would misread that. I don't know. Like, it's definitely a distance thing, right? Like, you want to be able to see far enough. Like, close enough. Yeah. You got guys in that cockpit are like 60-year-old pilots who, you know, they got atrophied muscle movement in their eyes. So they're, they still got the good long distance, but they got to use, you know, readers for short stuff. Yeah, honestly, it's not as much about seeing things that are far away, which seems counterintuitive because you're giving the example of a plane out in the distance. It's about seeing the instruments in front of you and stuff inside the plane.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Oh, that's more important. Well, I'd be okay. Yeah, yeah. I might make it because I think I can do, well, I don't know, it might not be 2020, but I think I can do 2020-ish right here. Like instrument distance. And you can be a private pilot with 2020-ish. Oh, that's true, because you're just getting hired like a contract. tractor and off you go.
Starting point is 00:20:27 You can't get paid at all. And it's funny because you have to be careful about that. Some people will like get together and like I could say like me and some friends be like, hey, let's go on a trip. I'll fly us in my plane if I had one. Or I'll rent a plane and we'll go and everybody pitch in for fuel and for the rental costs and all the kind of stuff, you have to be really careful because if the FAA for some reason decides to view that as them paying you to fly them, then you can get into trouble.
Starting point is 00:21:06 So wait, so how does, like, Post Malone's got a private jet? How does he pay the guy that flies it? You know what I mean? The person who's flying it is probably a commercial pilot, so they can be paid to fly. Okay, I get it now. But you can't just like it. That's the main distinction between private and commercial pilot. Okay. So that's just a gig for them like it would be working for Delta. It's just a different gig.
Starting point is 00:21:30 Yeah, exactly. You're just like a limo driver. Okay. They often even call the airline transport pilots. They call them bus drivers. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. That seems derogatory somehow. I don't know why. Yeah, it's funny. I don't think they like being called that, but the airline pilots are definitely viewed as like the high echelon, the upper echelon of pilots. You have to, you, the industry standard is you cannot even, they won't even consider you to be a pilot at an airline if you don't have at least 2,500 hours of flight time.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Oh my Lord. That's almost as much time as I spent in Skyrim one time. Hey, anyway, let's do this now. I'm coughing as I spent so much time on that treadmill. Look who's joining us all the way. from another part of South Carolina. It's Brian Dunaway. Hi, Brian. Oh, hi, Scott and Bobby.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Oh, hi. Hey. Hey, what's going on? How are you guys doing today? Pretty good. What are you doing? Well, I'm looking out the window and seeing that the weather's not too bad today. How is it in your neck of the woods? Not too bad. It's supposed to rain all week, and I'm only seeing sunshine. That's right.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Holding it down here and still cool, Lidna. What's the temperature right now? Around a little too warm for me, really. Yeah, it's around, I went for a walk earlier. It was in the 60s with the sun beaten down. My light jacket turned into a sweat box. Yeah, you bastards. It's 17 degrees here.
Starting point is 00:23:05 I would not have that experience here. Yeah, although it's hotter in Alaska, Ethan, says Ethan Kane, aka a couple months. You'll be laughing at us. Okay, I'm looking forward to it. Well, it's good to have you here, Brian. We're going to play a game. It's a little different than we usually do. We're going to call it Bobby's game or something.
Starting point is 00:23:23 something. I don't know. It sounds like a Bobby's game. The book or it sounds like a book or a movie. Anyway, we're going to do that. Oh, I'm thinking of Gerald's game. That's why it sounds familiar. Anyway, this is nothing like Gerald's game. You and Bobby's World. Yeah, nobody's going to tie anybody up and then die of a heart attack and leave you to starve on a bed. Okay? That's not going to
Starting point is 00:23:39 happen here. Let's just wait. Count it out. Yeah, yeah. Here's the fun part about this though. We're not taking live calls, but we are going to ask that if you want to win the prizes I'm going to send out, which I'll tell you about in a second, then you need to send me a DM in In Discord, I'm going to take the sixth person, number six.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Just slide into my DMs. And that person will receive a frog pants print and sticker pack, and I will send it anywhere in the world absolutely free. And it will include one of these new lake run stickers featuring Beau Schwartz of the Corps podcast, jumping into a lake to take a dump. No. I'm disturbed. Do you have any listeners who are doing research in Antarctica? Oh, I don't know. Maybe. I believe we could ask, hey, any listeners.
Starting point is 00:24:27 It would be hard to send it to there. Yeah, it would be hard to send it to there. But even if they are, I think it will go anywhere we send it. I think anywhere that has a receiving address, I think I can do it. Even if it costs money, I don't care. We're doing it. So if you want to win that, you got to be the number six. We'll watch for that in a second.
Starting point is 00:24:44 But in the meantime, Bobby's got a game for us. Bobby, how does this work? And how are we going to do it here? It's a simple game. I'm going to present Scott and Brian Dunaway with Statement. that might be true or false and they have to decide which one it is. I'll keep
Starting point is 00:24:59 score. You're going to take turns and we'll see who can logic out the most correct answers. Okay. I like Ryan's 50-50 the best. Yeah. Who can flip coins the most best? Because isn't the
Starting point is 00:25:14 most accurately? The thing with coin flipping is you do it long enough you end up with a perfect 50-50. Right? Yeah. Yeah. That is how Well, as long as the coin is all equal. I mean, isn't one side of the coin a heavier, right, if it's a fair coin? Yeah. What's a not fair coin?
Starting point is 00:25:30 Like a weighted one or something? A coin that might be weighted more on one side and the other could have imperfections that could skew the statistics a little bit. But aren't all coins? The U.S. mint doesn't go through trouble to try to make sure a quarter is exactly weighted properly with the headside. Well, I know, but I mean, you've ever gotten a quarter in your pocket and like, wait a minute, what's wrong with this quarter? It looks like you got ran over by something or, you know. Yeah, the ones that are flat on one side? Sure, I get that. Or the ones that have heads on both sides? Joke coins.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Oh, yeah, joke coins. Those are good. I could use a joke coin. Anyway, let's see if we can joke our way through these coins. Bobby laid on us. What's our first car? I guess we're going back and forth. I'll keep asking questions and we'll go through it. You tell me when we've got time for one more because I'm not keeping track of the time. Okay. That's cool. And we'll see. So the first one, we'll go to, I'm going to flip a coin in my head and it will go to Brian Dunaway.
Starting point is 00:26:21 All right. Do it. All right. Here's the statement. You tell me if this is true or false. Here we go. Guinea pigs, wait until I get to the end because there may be statements you want to declare true or false. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:35 So this isn't a rush to hit a button or anything, right? Right, right. Yeah, based on the final twist, yes. I got you. True, guinea pigs. Gitty pigs poop constantly. And that is true. So guinea pigs poop constantly.
Starting point is 00:26:50 and often in the places where they eat, which is surprising because despite coming from their own bodies, their poop is highly toxic and could kill them if accidentally ingested. Oh, I think I know this. I've raised guinea pigs. I've had some rodents in my house,
Starting point is 00:27:10 but we've never had a guinea pig. They're neither guinea nor pig. I don't know why they're called that. They don't look anything like a pig. And they aren't from Guinea. They're not from guinea or new guinea, any of the guineas. Anyway. That should have been the question.
Starting point is 00:27:26 I'm trying to think, yeah, so I mean, so it's deadly poisonous. Like, not just poisonous. So the crux of this question is that their poop is highly toxic and could kill them if accidentally ingested. They poop pretty dry. Do they? I'm going to go, you have, pellets and stuff. I'm going to go true, true. you're that's your i don't feel good about it but i'm not i don't feel good about it i'm going true going
Starting point is 00:27:54 all right well the answer is false oh oh well there's an appropriate that's our new oh i should have mentioned if you get it right you'll hear that if you get it wrong there's that all right it's false it's false okay does it mean as anything they can eat it and recycle it 30 times yeah well that's that that's the thing and some people in a chat room have have hit it on the head they might be guinea pig owners. Guinea pigs eat their own poop as a matter of normal everyday function. Yeah, they're not, it's not weird to them at all.
Starting point is 00:28:25 They don't see it as off the way to it. So instead of a second, third, or fourth stomach, they just poop it out and process it twice. Right. Well, yeah, it's similar to how cows eat cud, in fact. Right. It's just coming out the other end. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:40 You know what's crazy? Rabbits do this as well. Yeah, rabbits do it as well, I was going to say. And so ferrets will sometimes eat their own poop and act like it's normal. I don't have any of those nasty animals. We did and it's a mistake. Never get a ferret. They freaking stink. They stink so bad. And they're the worst and they can get in the tightest little spots and you can't get them out of a friend who had one. They're adorable and you just think, oh, I want to cuddle with that and have it run all around my arms. And, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:04 that all sounds fun until you get one. And then you realize, I bought the stinkiest animal on the planet. It's so bad. You may as well have bought just the, the tail end of a bonobo monkey. Just bought his butt hole. That's it. That's what you get with a ferret. So that means no points for Brian so far. No points for Brian. Yep.
Starting point is 00:29:24 They eat their own poop. It's how they do. Just for more nutrition, they want to get every bit of nutrition they can out of it. That's right. All right. You ready, Scott? Yeah, I'm ready. Give it.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Here's the next one. The brightest star in the sky of the northern hemisphere is the star serious located near the Are you serious? Yes, I'm serious. That's the statement. The brightest star is the star serious. In the sky.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Of our, of our viewable universe that we can see. Of our planet. Of the northern hemisphere, at least, which is really, honestly, that's the best hemisphere. It's pretty good. No offense to all you guys down low there. You have some good weather, though. Some of you. Um, uh, I'm going to say that that is a little outside of my wheelhouse, but I'm going to say, I'll say sure, true. True. It's true. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:22 You're saying true? Yeah. All right. You're sure it's not something like Polaris, the North Star? No, I'm, well, I may be, but I'm sticking with my answer. I'm going to say true. All right. It is true. You're right. Yeah. That's one point for shot. I was hoping to maybe get you at that North Star thing. Well, I can tell you were, if that helped me, that confirmed, I needed to double down. That confirmed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Well, your answer had already been locked in when I tried to tease you with that, but I thought maybe you'd already known about the North Star. But anyway, a lot of people do think that the brightest star is Polaris, the North Star, and that's why people use it to navigate. But that's not true. It's not the brightest star. In fact, it's like the 50th brightest star. But it's good for navigation, though, right? Yeah, it is good for navigation, though. Do you know why? Is it because it's not the brightest star and it's a little easier to track? That doesn't make any sense, so no.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Right? It's kind of by, it's more in an area by itself, maybe. It is about where it's located. It's high in the sky. Is that the deal? Maybe. It's because it's located above the celestial pole, which is above the part of the sky above the North Pole that doesn't move. So it always will guide you to North.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Less wobble. So it's reliable. You can count on it. That's the other thing. Okay. Very wrong. That's why old maritime ship people. That's not a star. That's Mars.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Yeah. How would you? Brian, do you see the big bear on Mars? The big bear face? Have you not, have you seen that? Big bear face. I've got to send you that if you haven't seen it's cute. It's really cute.
Starting point is 00:31:55 All right. Anyway, there's that. All right. Next up, oh, it's Brian's turn again. Yep. Scott's got a point. Yes, he does. Scott's got a point.
Starting point is 00:32:03 All right, here we go. Here's the next one. Now, some of these are left over. ones that we didn't use before, so if I accidentally repeat a question, please let me know because I might not have marked it off and said why I asked it. All right. Here's the question. Water
Starting point is 00:32:17 this is it. It's very simple. Water is not true. You got it. You got it, too. Wow. Water does not conduct electricity. Oh, that feels like a trick. That does feel like a trick.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Yep. But I think you're up to the challenge. You got this. Sorry, I'm just outside. It's against the rules. Right. I mean, they always talk. I don't want to help you. Never mind.
Starting point is 00:32:48 I was going to say something. Right. I'm trying to win here. Because it feels like a trick and I don't feel like thinking too hard about it. Oh. Water does not conduct electricity is what you're saying. That's correct. That's the statement.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Right. Pure water does not conduct. electricity is basically what we're saying. That is what we're saying. Yeah. You can change the words if you want, yes. Right, but water, water, when we think of water, we think of, we, we say, oh, it's H2O, but there's a lot of things in water that is not H2O.
Starting point is 00:33:25 That's true. So, if you want me to define water, I will say H2O, yes. Just H2O. Yeah, like pure fucking water. Yeah, I'm going to say, yeah, I'm going to say that. No, water itself, H2O does not. I think it's the bed for it. Yes, I'm going to say, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:47 You're saying no. I'm saying it's, you're saying the station is true. I'm saying water does not, correct. Water does not conduct electricity. I'm about to be educated. Do it to me, Bobby. Well, well, it is true. Oh, nicely done.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Well done. It is true. It's surprisingly true. Water does not conduct electricity. and you hit it. The nail on the head, Brian, it's pure water, is actually an insulator. It does not conduct electricity. So wait a minute. If I'm in a tub and someone drops a toaster in there that's plugged in. Oh, you got so much stuff in that water. That is not H2O. That is right. There's so much filth in that water. Is that what it does? Is that what it is then? The impurities are there and stuff?
Starting point is 00:34:31 That is exactly what it is. The reason water seems to conduct electricity and is famous for conducting electricity is because it has a bunch of of impurities or ions in the water which which do transmit electrical charge it's um it's in fact a common science experiment to add salt to water and make it more conductive oh don't do that don't take a salt bath and then dump your radio in there don't do that you should not rely on this fact though because it's very very hard to have pure water yeah that's true yes we're not even talking about like yeah and once you put your body part in there It's no longer pure water. You are, like, sloughing off all kinds of crap.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Once you put it into a glass, once you expose it to air, it is not pure anymore. Yeah. Well, I don't know what body part you're putting in there, but I like the way you said it. Big toe. Do you only put one body part into the bath? I mean, if you had to put one, well, you always go feet first, right? So it's your feet, your nasty-ass feet. That's the deal.
Starting point is 00:35:30 It's your nastiest feet. We are currently sitting at a one-to-one tie at the moment. That's correct. That's correct. No matter what, the sixth person who writes me, he gets the prize, by the way, there's nothing on the line for you. So this is just for bragging rights. Yeah, it's just for funds. I just want to make sure we gave something out. So, all right, what's my next one? All right, here's another one. Ready?
Starting point is 00:35:49 Yeah. The statement is, for Scott, an asteroid hitting the earth killed all the dinosaurs. Woohoo. Um, I mean, that's such a blanket statement. I'm going to say false because I don't think all the dinosaurs were killed. Plus, it took time. It wasn't like, bam, everyone's dead. There was you know basically the equivalent of nuclear fallout there was cloud you know dust in the clouds carrying from continents all that stuff so i'm going to say no it's false that they were killed because i think it's the way you asked the question so yes false i like the idea of thinking of all the dinosaurs huddled up and then the asteroid hitting them right i like that idea they all
Starting point is 00:36:31 got together they saw it coming and they were like oh let's uh what is that uh because i don't think we got is here. I ride us here. I'll gather it together. I was thinking like alligators, crocs, lizards, monitors, that kind of stuff, snakes, whatever. Birds even. They made it and they didn't
Starting point is 00:36:49 make it in one hour. It's all like they all went, all right. I was shortening in the water. I'm good. I don't think it was that. So I'm going to say no. Well, the real answer is false. You're right. You're correct. It's a asteroid hitting here.
Starting point is 00:37:04 It's killed by the cold. Are you good at those types of like SAT questions, true false questions? I was. Because you, that's a good strategy, which is large, all-encompassing statements tend to be false, right? Yeah, that's true. Also, so my SATs are always really good except for math. Terrible. Terrible.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Just a horrible math student. Oh, my gosh. I'm so bad. I know it's two to one right now. That's the only math I know for sure. Yeah. So I was counting, though, in this statement, I was counting all the fallout from the asteroid, like all those clouds you were talking about.
Starting point is 00:37:43 But still, the asteroid and it's, you know, the subsequent winter that followed from all the stuff in the atmosphere, when it struck, it did kill 80% of all life on Earth. Oh, my Lord. But it did not kill all the dinosaurs. It killed a lot of the dinosaurs, but mostly, though. that were over 50 pounds. Yeah, the biggins. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:07 A lot of the small dinosaurs survived, and guess what? If you knew that birds, like you did, if you knew that birds, and you hinted at this, and you said it. I've watched Jurassic Park. Yeah, we know. If birds evolved from dinosaurs, then of course they couldn't have all died, or they couldn't have evolved into birds. Or they wouldn't have been too that quick, or they wouldn't have been already all set
Starting point is 00:38:29 and ready to rock as birds, you know? Like, they weren't all like... I love watching... I love watching documentaries where they fully feather out dinosaurs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Make them colorful. Oh, feathered up dinosaurs are badass, dude.
Starting point is 00:38:42 I think they're cool. Yeah, all colored up and everything. Yeah, instead of just slate gray looking things. I like that. Yeah, instead of slate naked. Yeah. We have no idea. Dinos.
Starting point is 00:38:51 We have no idea. I mean, we have an idea, but we don't have the perfect idea. Anyway, all right. So it's two to, wait, two to, yeah, two to one, Brian. The pressure's on. True or false. The score is two to one. All right. You ready for one, Brian? Give it.
Starting point is 00:39:06 All right. Here's the statement. Many species of cacti contain significant stores of water that can be used as an emergency source in the desert. Any? Now, I didn't say all. This isn't one of those all or nothing statements. Many species of cacti contain significant stores of water that can be used as an emergency. source in the desert. Right. If you've seen movies. No, don't drink cactus water. Isn't that like super dangerous to drink cactus water?
Starting point is 00:39:36 Well, only... I don't know. That's the question. I guess that is the question. If he tells you that, then you'd probably get the answer. I feel like I'm being tricked. I'm going to say false because they drink. Okay, so drinkable water. Right. Potable water. Yeah. Something you could drink and not die.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Yeah. An emergency source. You don't have anything to drink. You need to. You might not taste the best. You tap a cactus. Now, Now emergency sources got me backing out. No, I'm breaking each word. I'm writing a cynist diagram over here and going, what does he mean by emergency? You've beamed down to a planet.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Kirk's like, hey, don't die, red shirt. And the red shirt says, I'm trying to this guy. What does is mean? What does is mean? I don't know. Ask Clinton. He knew what it is meant. I'm going to just for fun, I'm going to say, just to break everybody.
Starting point is 00:40:29 belief, because that's what everybody thinks. So I'm going to go counter to what everybody thinks and go, I'm going to just to blur everybody's mind and go, no. Okay. Faults. It's not palpable. Yeah, don't be, don't be drinking another of that cactus water juice.
Starting point is 00:40:42 It's liquid. It's not really like water. It doesn't like, it's more like goo. It's like liquid, right? It's like aloe, yeah. I think it is. As a man of the desert, do you already know the answer to this? Well, man of the desert.
Starting point is 00:40:57 I don't actually know for sure. I'm pretty sure that it's not the liquid water people think it is. I don't think you can just wring it out. I think it's like aloe and not very... I just can't imagine this is going to be good. You're going to get sick at the least, is my guess. So I'm thinking his falseness is... Then you're lose more water.
Starting point is 00:41:13 It's kind of like you're in the ocean surrounded by water. Don't drink it. Yeah, right. It's like that. So Brian Dunaway is correct. The answer is false. Nicely done. Never, never try to get sustenance from a cactus in the desert.
Starting point is 00:41:28 If the first it hurts Owl Most cacti are in fact toxic You should not eat them They have an alkali poison in them And it'll fry your kidneys You'll be done Yeah
Starting point is 00:41:42 Everything about a cactus says back off Yeah get the hell away from me Yeah exactly Why would you want to mess with that? And in fact they've evolved to be poisonous Because guess what We're not the only ones who would want to get water from them In the desert
Starting point is 00:41:56 There are other animals there In fact, we're probably close to the last who would, you know. There's other... Yeah, so in order to make it so that other animals won't try to seek them out for water, they're poisonous. They protect themselves by having an alkali poison inside of them. So your best chance at survival in the desert is to just hunker down in the shade and hope for the best. Hope for the best. So this, okay, so I think this next question is going to be our tiebreaker because it's 10 o'clock.
Starting point is 00:42:22 We've got Tom coming up. This is the big one. If I get this wrong, Brian wins. No, no. If I get this wrong, we're tied forever. If I get this one right, I win. I've got a tiebreaker that makes more sense. You ready?
Starting point is 00:42:33 Yeah, go. Give it. Both of you are going to be thinking about this at the same time, and the first one to give me the answer wins. Okay, yeah, got it. It's not true or false. I'm asking for an answer. And you'll probably hear him first because you're in the same state, which means you're on the same back part of the backbone. You're going to get less latency from Brian than you are me.
Starting point is 00:42:50 So, Brian, you actually have a slight advantage here to make sure you use it. Yeah. All right. We'll see. We'll see. Which letter does not appear on the periodic table of elements? Oh my gosh. I'll ring in and say X.
Starting point is 00:43:06 I don't know. X? No, X is definitely on there. Is it? I'm going to say, oh, shoot, I'm going through them as quick as I can. It's like, uh, oh my God, that one's in there. That one's in there. Uh, uh, uh, uh, no, I'm seven.
Starting point is 00:43:24 No, I. seven that's i like it the good answer uh no why he says why i say x who got it yeah you say neither of you have have said the correct answer yet oh you said i it's not i yeah no every letter i go through feels like the the it's in there i'm looking at the chat now i just brought it up to see what they said they're all no one they don't know either look at that it's all over the place. F. Someone says Y.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Someone says B. Someone says J. That might be why they do that. Q. Is it Q? It's probably Q. I think it F. Is it F?
Starting point is 00:44:06 So Q is not the answer that I had, but I'm looking through the periodic table. I don't think Q appears either. Oh. So I will give it to, uh, technically to Scott because the, all my criteria was whoever said the letter first. Oh. All right. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:22 That's right. That was the secret to win. Oh, shoot. I should have just said, ABCD. You should have just gone here. You were quickly ripped through. Because the other one that I had on the list was Jay.
Starting point is 00:44:31 Jay does not appear. Jay does not appear. Jay. Tag going. I skip through J. It doesn't mean that we might get down the road, a new element's discovered. We give it a new thing and put a J in there. We give it, we call it jam. Yeah, jam.
Starting point is 00:44:44 The new element of jam. Jamconium. Yeah, jamconium. It's good on a slice of. Unobjianian. Yeah, unobtain a Janium. It's very nice. Well, well done.
Starting point is 00:44:57 And let's announce the winner here, because I haven't even actually looked at who was number six. We got, hold on. We got one, two, three, four, five, six, ladies and gentlemen, Ethan Kane, aka Amos, is the sixth person to pipe in. Amos. And he will be winning these things.
Starting point is 00:45:15 I like Amos a lot. He's a good dude. And I'd love to send him some stuff. So I'm going to. Amos, watch for that private DM coming to you soon. And I'll hook you up with some cool stuff up there in Alaska. And congratulations to you. Oh, I guess I could play this for you.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Congratulations. You're a winner. Well done. You know who else is a winner? You guys for tuning in later today for the play retro show where Brian and I are going to talk about the R-rated movies turned games of our youth. And you'd be surprised how many of them got made before the movies came out and had subsequently nothing to do with the movies. That's real weird how that stuff went down. Yeah, we're talking Rambo.
Starting point is 00:45:52 How did we get die hard? a rated R movie. I know. How do you do that? Oh, I know. You have, you have feet health. That's right. This game has feet health. Feet health. And it's got, what's his name saying? Shoot the vents. It's pretty, or in the ducks. Shoot the ducks. Yeah. Ducks? No, the ducks. It's a shooting game with ducks in it. No, you got to shoot. You got to find John McLean and he's in the ducks is what we've been told. So anyway, the NES and the world of rated R turned kid-friendly video games. That's later today on Play Retro, where every good podcast. Except for the one where he goes to Mars and he shoots his wife. That's not kid friendly at all. No, that's not kid friendly at all. No, I completely agree. Brian, kiss our butts.
Starting point is 00:46:37 All right, he's going. He didn't have time to say no you, which I feel bad about. But what are you going to do? All right, we are going to take a break. When we come back, Tom Merritt will join us. I just made sure he's good. He's good. In fact, he answered.
Starting point is 00:46:49 I said, hey, running a little late. Talk to you soon. He says, no provolone. That's cheese speak for no problem, say. So we're all good there. So here's the deal. I don't have any music from Brian. So instead today, I have decided to share with people a couple of my favorite video game music tracks.
Starting point is 00:47:08 There's a couple advantages to this. Number one, it shouldn't get us kicked off any streaming services. But two, I also like video game music a lot. And if you come to pre-show on the show, you'll hear me play it a lot. And so I'm going to do that today. Today we start with a middle selection, and I'm sorry for the timing here. Hold on. I've got to bring it up. This is the only good thing I can say about the game it's based on. Back in 20, what was it, 2013, I think. Yeah, 2013. Everyone was very excited because electronic arts was releasing a brand new kind of reboot, restart of the Sim City games called Simply SimCity. And it was expected to be really cool. What they'd shown to the 3 looks. amazing. Everybody was stoked. Turns out it was hot garbage. It was not a good game. It was riddled with
Starting point is 00:47:56 issues, mostly dealing with EA and their business plans and stuff like that. But it features one of the greatest video game soundtracks, I think, ever made. And I think partly why I like it is just so perfectly suited to the content. So I'm going to play The Sim City theme about a three-minute song. This is all written by Chris Tilton, by the way. He is a good author of video game music. This isn't his first time to the rodeo, but I think it's his best. And so I am going to play that song, and when we come back, it'll be Tom Merritt and recommendals and more. So stay tuned. ...notice...
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Starting point is 00:49:41 I'm going to be. I'm not I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be the I'm going to I'm going so.
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Starting point is 00:50:11 a bit of I'm I'm We're going to be able to be. We're going to be able to be. Intuition test time. What snack is behind my back? Are you ready?
Starting point is 00:51:23 It's popcorn. Did you guess right? If you did, congratulations. And listen to the song of my people. Shallola lay ha. Donal glisen. Affirmative. One, two, three,
Starting point is 00:51:47 May West. Hey, wait a minute. They're going to strait them in the water. Request permission to arm and fire. That's a little long one. Wow. Thank you, Scott Fletcher. And thank you guys for hanging out there.
Starting point is 00:52:02 That was again, the artist, his name is, there it is Chris Tilton, the SimCity soundtrack from 2013. It's available streaming on both Spotify and Apple Music if you're looking for it there. Or, of course, you can find it on YouTube. and it's a fantastic soundtrack. It's very good.
Starting point is 00:52:18 I have another one lined up for the end of the show, which is very different. So stick around for that. All right. Well, we've done that now. Time to get Tom on the line. What do you think of that? You like that?
Starting point is 00:52:29 I love it. I do too. I like having Tom on. He's a good guy with good things to say. And I bet today's no difference. So let's get in there. With the computer, as with any tool, the concept and direction must come from the man.
Starting point is 00:52:43 That man is Tom. Merritt, he joins us as he does every Wednesday to talk about the latest and greatest in tech news around the world and around you. I don't know where I was going with that. Anyway, Tom Merritt, thanks for joining us once again and welcome back to the show. Yes, like the arms of technology. I embrace you with news. Oh, wonderful. There's some Samsung business going down or something today. Yeah, yeah. We're going to be talking about that once it happens later today, Samsung unpacked. By the time a lot of people listen to TMS on demand, all the details are out there, but it's probably not going to be that surprising. New Samsung Galaxy S and probably a tablet. You think they get any note? There's the note done? Is it just now the big galaxy is the note?
Starting point is 00:53:33 The note usually was announced separately, but it is on hiatus as they go for the fold. I think the idea is to see if they can just switch all the note partisans over to the fold, which seems to be working. So, yeah, I would guess you won't see another note out of Samsung. Their singing days are over. I don't want to hear one more note out of them. Are they, are they, so the fold's doing good? You know?
Starting point is 00:54:03 Yeah, the fold is doing well for them. But the flip and the fold are the two foldables. And I think the flip is actually selling even a little better. but the fold makes more money because it's more expensive. Yeah, I'm interested in that, whatever the fruition of that is. Like right now they're a little thick for me. Like it's a big old fat looking thing, but at some point, it feels like that's the road we're going down. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:29 I could be wrong. I never see them. I've only ever seen one out in the wild. Yeah. They're pretty weird. I used one to the store, and it was weird. It's cool, though. Like, I can tell why people who like them like them, and I can tell.
Starting point is 00:54:41 why Samsung is betting that there's a future of that. And again, that's not what's going to be announced. No, no. None of this will happen today. Because I know there's somebody out there like only half listening. So, oh, I guess there's a new fold. No, there's not. It's
Starting point is 00:54:57 going to be the Galaxy S-23, the Galaxy Book 3. I don't know. There might be another accessory in there. I'm not sure. Well, keep your eyes out for that. What else is percolating today? What do we have? Oh, Netflix. Netflix has coming for your sharing.
Starting point is 00:55:16 They're finally releasing it worldwide, crackdown on sharing, and they put up some rules in their help center. So what they're going to be doing is not as simple as where are you logging in. They're going to look for patterns of behavior. So what IP addresses do you normally use, and is this one a little different? What device ID is being used to log in? and is this one different? And does one device ID always come from out of the house? And one device ID always in the house.
Starting point is 00:55:48 And general account activity, like what kinds of things are being watched, they're being a little cagey about how they're determining it because they don't want people to game it. But they will decide whether they think you are connected at your primary location or not. They will know your primary location by the network you log in on. So they say Wi-Fi, but, you know,
Starting point is 00:56:09 if you're just wired, it would still work. They're going to know like, oh, you're logged in from, you know, Salt Lake City, Utah. So we know that that's your home location. They will, if they think you're logging in from outside the house, prompt you to sign into your account elsewhere and instead block your account until you do. Oh, geez. So they'll say like, hey, it looks like you're signing in from, from. outside. We're going to block your stuff until you've signed in from the same device in your
Starting point is 00:56:47 home location. Oh my gosh. That's if you're like, I don't know, if you're logged in on something else, but you're at home, you can do that. If you're traveling, if you're vacationing, a lot of people have had this question. Like, wait a minute, what if I'm just taking a trip and I want to use my Netflix? Users who want to use Netflix on a hotel, smart TV company laptop can request a temporary code from the service when signing in. That will give you access to your account for seven consecutive days. Okay. So if you're on the road and you get the prompt that's like, hey, it looks like you're not in your home location. We're going to block you. You can say, send me a code. And it doesn't say it'll send it by email. So I don't know if it sends it to a
Starting point is 00:57:28 home device or if it just sends an email to you. But theoretically, you would get that code if you're the account owner. If you're not the account owner, you wouldn't. You can, however, make a device trusted so that it will never be blocked. You can make a device so that it'll never run into that check. And even when you're traveling, it'll be fine. And the way you do that is to log in from your home network connection once every 31 days. You have to log in, open the app or the website, and watch something on that device. And then Netflix will kind of white, list that device and will not block it and if you travel it's fine.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Okay. So this sort of stuff's easy to get all worked up about but I don't think that sounds so bad. That sounds okay. I mean, I've got, I have a situation right now where my son uses our login for Netflix. That's probably going to have to end because this will flag that. Like he'll... Well,
Starting point is 00:58:26 could he come to your house once every 31 days? Yeah. That's actually, he comes about once a week. So yeah. You know what? You're right. He could do that. Again, it's a little little clunky if you're logging into Netflix from a smart TV app and the smart TV's 65 inches but if it's just a laptop
Starting point is 00:58:42 he can make that device work right and if you're doing there's going to be a lot of little workarounds like that but if you've got this white listed device and you take it on vacation with you let's say it's an iPad pro yeah yeah like I use for watching stuff when I'm gone then you're that's no different than what I already did
Starting point is 00:58:59 like that's fine that seems fine like the white listed like trusted device thing seems like a decent way for me to not feel overly taxed by this. I understand the seven-day thing seems a little weird, but if you can do the whitelisted device, just do that. Yeah, for, I'm going to run into this where I'm going to be like, ah, I forgot to log in at home on this iPad that I never watched Netflix on at home,
Starting point is 00:59:22 and now I want to watch it on the plane. And now I don't have a network connection that's good. Or actually on the plane, I would have downloaded it. So I probably would have. But yeah, I'm in the hotel and I want to watch something. Claire Gack is bringing up. an interesting one. You go and just park outside the house of someone you no longer live with, but you're sharing a Netflix account, log in and authorize. Now, you would have to have the
Starting point is 00:59:49 cooperation of the person involved because you can go in and deauthorize any app or any device that's logged in on your account. So on your side, you can just get anything off here. You can kick anything off if you want. Right. That makes sense. bio cow is this idea that Netflix should charge by the inch so how big your TV is or how small your TV is is how Netflix it is obviously a very different business model but Amos has a really good one which is they've got a dual household they've got they've got a uh his wife is in Washington state he's in Alaska uh it's legit they're a household yeah so and it's not like he's gonna fly down every 31 days with with his television and his Roku box or whatever, right? And log in. So that's going to be annoying.
Starting point is 01:00:40 D.HL, your iPad over there? Yeah. Yeah. I don't, like, that's a good point because there is no one-size-fits-all, probably. Yeah. I mean, there are going to be a lot of edge cases like that. And those are going to be the big headlines, right? This is not going to affect most people, except for people who are doing what Netflix doesn't
Starting point is 01:00:59 want them to do, which is sharing an account with someone who doesn't live in their house at all. Like, you know. But then there's. legitimate edge cases like Amos is talking about that I think any corporation is going to say, you know what, we'll just, we'll just deal with the bad press over those edge cases. It's worth it. And that's unusual. Netflix for years was like, you know what, if you're sharing, that's just promoting. But their shareholders have put pressure on them as they've reached saturation in North America to say, well, you could have, there's estimated 100 million subscribers sharing.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Now, granted, not all of those are going to start paying if you kick them off. Right. Right. But even if only 1% of them, dude, that's a million subscribers, right? And when you're at saturation, that's another million that you could bring into the tank. So, yeah, they're going after small percentages here, but they're at the point where that is at least growth. Well, I don't want to be conspiratorial, but I
Starting point is 01:01:52 just wonder, you know, just wonder if Reed Hastings is making his hasty exit from Netflix right before all this. You know, he's like, I'm retiring. I'm handing it over to this other guy. It's been a great run, everybody, 20-something five years, whatever it's been. I'll see you later. And then bam, they have to enforce this new hotness. And he doesn't have to tell it. He doesn't have to answer to anybody anymore.
Starting point is 01:02:17 That is definitely not why he stepped down, but it certainly is a benefit, right? It's like, oh, you know, I'm glad I planned this for now because I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. It's like, when you leave any job, there's always that one thing that you're like, and I won't miss that. Yeah, that's true. He would definitely not miss this. But, Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens, especially the aftermath of like, if it's really 100 million people, let's say, that do sharing. And what percentage does belly up and pay? That'll be weird. Like, I want to know what that.
Starting point is 01:02:50 If it ends up being like a lot or very little, like that's a shareholder problem, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, the shareholders just want it to be done. And any increase will make the shareholders say, see, it was worth it. got more people. A bunch of people in the chat are saying what people always say is, well, I'm going to cancel if I run into this. More people always say that. Now, you mean it. I know you mean it. Of course. But a lot of other people say it and then don't do it. That's what the numbers have shown. So I wouldn't expect they're going to lose a lot of people from this.
Starting point is 01:03:26 What I think the biggest risk for them will be is that they will run into a situation where they misjudged an edge case or one of these has a side effect that nobody anticipated and is and they have a bunch of negative press that they have to deal with and that could cause some people to have a backlash against them. Yeah, but you know like they have a whole department of people whose job is to look at the statistics, to look at market trends to crunch the numbers and they have determined at the end of the day that the amount of subscribers that they will gain from doing this will be greater than the amount that they will yeah that seems like yeah and and the only thing to watch for is uh oh more people are running into this problem
Starting point is 01:04:15 than they expected because that throws their calculations off yeah also icore is now going to cancel Netflix just to spite me uh because i said that that they didn't count on that no fully support that yeah here's one i'm i'm perpetrating an unintended side effect right now put that in the reason you quit when they give you a little form there But Tom Merritt is the reason I quit. Yes, everyone. Everyone do that. Please do that.
Starting point is 01:04:39 Tom Merritt said I wouldn't. Yeah, he said I wouldn't. Six months you're going to start seeing that on a list of things. Tom Merritt at the bottom. Yeah, I can't wait. Well, that's an interesting discussion we're going to have about that, of course. And much more, I think Rob Dunwood's on today as well. Is he part of the deal?
Starting point is 01:04:55 Yeah, yeah. Rob's coming in because he's an Android user, a big Samsung fan. So we're having him on to give us the user perspective on Unpacking. act, so that's going to be fun too. Always enjoy hanging out with that guy. So looking forward to the Wednesday edition of DTNS today. Check it out today at 2 p.m. Mountain Time. Tom Merritt, anything else you're doing on the side or otherwise you'd like to mention?
Starting point is 01:05:17 Well, you know, I've been walking the dog and, you know, I went to the Harry Styles concert on Sunday. How'd that go? It was fun. It was really fun. Does he smell as good as everyone says he smells? I didn't get close enough to be able to judge, but he looked like he smelled great. All right. I've always, keep hearing this, or I've heard it a few times,
Starting point is 01:05:36 that Harry Stiles is the best smelling guy in music today. Well, I didn't find any evidence to the contrary. Okay. All right. I mean, if I got close enough, I'd take a whiff. I'd do it. But a couple of irons in the fire coming up. One's a little farther off.
Starting point is 01:05:52 We are going to relaunch, no, a little more in April, with some additional production. We're going to make a good use of Amos, who's always done the editing for it. but I've always, I haven't really made full use of his talents. And Justin Robert Young's Dog and Pony Audio, Dog and Pony Show Audio, is going to come in and spice some things up as well. So no little more is going to get prettier. Oh, very nice.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Starting with RSS. Look for that in April. And then a word with Tom Merritt is coming back with a few different interviews to be scheduled. The one that I've nailed down is Derek Gould, the beat writer for baseball and the St. Louis Cardinal. in the St. Louis Post Dispatch going to come on and we're going to talk, we're going to talk about sports. Oh my gosh, Tom. That seems knowing you, as long as I've known you, that seems huge. It's huge. It's huge. For me, it's huge. I grew up venerating the beat writer of the St. Louis Cardinals in the post. So having the current holder of that chair is pretty fun.
Starting point is 01:06:53 That's awesome. Yeah, very cool. Very exciting. Well, all right. I'll look forward to all of that and more. And, of course, DTNS today. Everybody check that out. It's Tom Meredithist Detect on Twitter. next time. Bye. Bye, Tom. All right. That was great. Always good to have Tom on. I say. Always. I say. All right. Let's get. He's a fine fellow. Yeah, he's a fine, you know, find a better guy. You can't do it. It's not possible. Good luck. You just can't find him. He's not out there. This better guy, this mythical better guy. Try it. You can't. You try it, you can't. Prove it you can't. Doodle do. It's time for us to do a little recommending of recommendals things we've seen this week or recently on streaming services that we'd like to come to you and say hey check these out you'll like them too joining us as always we have Nicole Spagnolo hello Nicole how are you
Starting point is 01:07:43 I guess what what I've never met Bobby oh well that's true Bobby and Nicole together at last have hovered around each other yeah he's uh I guess you've never met in person but first time on the area that's cool that's great have you ever gone to ner attack I have not. He has not. Okay, so we definitely didn't. He's been to two or no, he's been to one, TMS Vegas? TMS Vegas last year was the first frog pants event I had the courage to show up at. And Nicole went to 2018s, I believe. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:16 So there's a big divide there. But yeah, maybe one day, one day. These two will meet. Claire, I wish I was coming to Vegas. I'm still recovering from my sickness. Yeah. My guess is by April, it, Hopefully things are better, but, you know, you never know.
Starting point is 01:08:32 April might be weird. It's slow. It's so slow. Yeah, I get you. I feel you. But anyway, yeah, well, I look forward to that. Also with us, Randy Jordan, AKA Randy Deluxe. Hello, Randy.
Starting point is 01:08:44 Good morning, morning. Stream. Nicole, can you believe it has been 15 years since I met you at the Las Vegas Hilton? Whoa. Brag about it, what? Oh, wow. Whoa. Is it really that long?
Starting point is 01:08:55 Holy crap. That's crazy. Wow. I was, I just happened upon, their podcast. I happened upon the Wood Whisperer. It was you and Patrick, right? You and Patrick was there. Yeah, yeah. Patrick was
Starting point is 01:09:08 there. Molly Lynn was just an awesome time. We met Veronica Belmont in person for the first time that day. Just 15 years. They still had the Star Trek experience at that Hilton. It was still a thing. Remember that? So, Scott, you were there for like
Starting point is 01:09:26 a second and then you left. I was there for like a day, not even a day. and I got so sick that I finally was like I got to get out of here I just get out of here so we left I went and recuperated in St. George about an hour north
Starting point is 01:09:41 and we thought about going back but by the end of all that we're just like we're done we're spent but yeah that kind of suck but I did get to see everybody I got to see Patrick I got to ride in a minivan with Patrick that was fun
Starting point is 01:09:53 didn't think that would ever happen to me but it did on a different trip out there I toured Vegas for Patrick I took him all around Las Vegas on a different trip, and that was really fun. Oh, I bet. Yeah. He's a really good tour patron. He's a good patron of a tour guy.
Starting point is 01:10:11 Yeah, he's a patron of the arts of the tours, exactly. He's not a tourist. No, he's just a dork. But anyway, it's good to have you both here. We're going to do some recommendals. Everybody's got them. And we're going to start with this order this week. We're going to start with Nicole, actually, at the top of the show.
Starting point is 01:10:27 Nicole, anything to say about your clip before I play it? All right, so this is going to be a documentary, and I hope that this is received well. Don't get defensive. This is all for the good if you're in a relationship. So there's a thing called the default parent. Okay. It's a thing. All right.
Starting point is 01:10:53 So most of the time, not all of the time, it's usually. the mom. So the mom has the things in the brain like, okay, so-and-so they haven't had a dentist appointment, I needed to do a dentist appointment, we got to get an established, we got to do all these little things. And it's just a invisible workload that happens.
Starting point is 01:11:17 For me, when I got sick, I didn't realize how much I did until I couldn't do anything. and it's it's been it's been weird and a weird journey just from that perspective and this documentary kind of dives into that invisible work it's meant to be helpful and here it is it came out last year okay here we go play right now I had the breast pump in the diaper bag and the passenger seat in my car I was racing to get Zach at his toddler transition program had a client contract in my lap the pen would stab me in the vagina
Starting point is 01:11:55 Seth decided to send me a text. I'm surprised you didn't get blueberries. I remember thinking to myself, I'm the default for literally every single household and domestic tasks for my family. When I became a mom, I felt like my identity completely changed. I really didn't understand the amount that she had to endure.
Starting point is 01:12:17 It goes back to the twisted notion of where you just got to ask for their help. I don't want to ask. What time? Yeah, I have two phone calls from work already things. I became obsessed with a quest to figure out what was happening to us. Interesting. Wow.
Starting point is 01:12:33 Yes. So stressful, though. That seems stressful. Like I said, it's going to be hard for some people to watch this documentary. But if you care about your partner and you want it to get, like, better, like, the one thing where she said, if you just ask me, she's like, I don't want to have to ask you, that. It's me managing your task. It's like you need to invest in. And it doesn't just complain.
Starting point is 01:13:03 The documentary is called Fair Play. So it's not just a complaining documentary. It's like you can actually work together to help your partner to be part of everything. So like for Mark, he's really stepped up and helped me so much. But there was a period of time where he was asking me tons of questions. and I'm like, I can't even think right now. I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:30 So it is, it's just about, you know, recognizing it's there, building on your communication. And I like that it highlighted, not just one family, but many families, and they highlighted Hispanic family. and their trials and like the workload of the mom and the workload of the dad and how it shortchanged the kids and like it's it's a whole thing so it's a wonderful documentary and you may watch it and not even realize that's going on with your partner but I guarantee you and and even for me I get very nervous when I talk to Mark about it but I know he's to be part of it but I have such a hard time asking for help I'll just do it does it focus on the
Starting point is 01:14:29 the gender expectations yes so it talks about that for women and men so it's not just it's what the historically and like what society is expected of men and like
Starting point is 01:14:45 going to work and providing the reason I ask is because I am the stay-at-home dad my wife is the one who works so I am the default parent here but one thing that me and my wife struggle with is that she sort of like it's almost like we're both we both expect that we are the default parent and I think it's because she has spent her whole life feeling like that's supposed to be her job right yes and it's just ingrained in our society in the workplace and it dives into all of those So this is the documentary, but there's actually a couple books that it was based off of.
Starting point is 01:15:24 And I got the impression from the documentary that there's like couples counseling to kind of break those barriers and kind of join together as a team more. And it could be something as simple as a 10 minute talk, you know, walk around the block, talking about, okay, what's going on with the kids and what's happening? But we get so caught up in everything that until like a crisis happens, we don't even realize the. That's right. You don't notice it until stuff goes down. You're like, wait a minute, shoot, what's the redundancy here? How do we, you know, there, there have been times like that in our marriage. And I always, I was, I was, I look back on this and realize I was, it was me, it was another way of me making an excuse. But at the time, I thought I was being legit about it. And it would happen like, you know, Kim would say, I don't know, we got to do this thing. And I'd say, okay, cool. And then she'd, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, packed for it she would just do it yeah book the trips me like you just show up and then she'd say well I didn't I could have used some of your help I said well you didn't I think I probably said you didn't ask me yeah I didn't know and you you I think that's probably a natural response but the idea is to shave off some of that naturalness of yourself and be better and obviously
Starting point is 01:16:40 that sounds like the point here is they're they're trying to push that home but that's awesome it sounds good this is where streaming what's the service I think I think it was on who Lou. Let's see. Yeah, it is on who. Yeah, it's on Hulu. Fair play is what it's called. Nicole, is this, does this one have an appearance by my superstar, Katie Porter? It does. She's
Starting point is 01:17:01 wonderful. And she's a single parent. She's a single parent with three kids. And it talks about the history of child care and it dies into all of that stuff. It's a really great watch. I cannot tell
Starting point is 01:17:18 you. There's not, there aren't words. for how good it feels to send someone great to Congress. I know Scott has never actually experienced. No, we don't know how to do that here. You now live in a place where I'm sorry, Nicole, but this is not going to be any fun for you next cycle. The feelings are just enormous. And it's like it's almost like to a point where I'm like, is this hero worship? I need to watch out for that, you know?
Starting point is 01:17:44 Yeah. I just think it's nice looking. When I see her like talking stuff, it's like watching a nice mom. I'm like, I don't want to get stereotypic about it, but it just gives me hope. She can get me. Oh, she can get, she can get feisty. She doesn't take any crap. She's like, look, this is not, this is like, it's an attack on, like, it's an attack on men too and not just went.
Starting point is 01:18:07 It's just like. She's pretty great. It can be frustrating, but there are things that you can do to help. Yeah. So now, for all those people who thought we just gave a bunch of. unfair praise to a Democratic person in Congress. I will now make a compliment about a Republican. I really
Starting point is 01:18:26 like, I can't stand the guy, but I would really like to have that guy's hair. Who's the dude that has the crazy curly hair? It's always real stupid looking in a professional sense, but I would totally have it if I had his hair. Can't they give his name? Wow. His dad was also in politics. Pramer? No.
Starting point is 01:18:43 I want to give Rand Paul. This is the only good thing I'll ever say about Rand Paul. I'd have that curly hair if mine would grow that way I would totally do it That was the most hedged compliment I've ever seen
Starting point is 01:18:55 Oh hell yeah Because he sucks otherwise I can come up with all kinds of Republicans to compliment You should have asked Oh no there's some nice You know look I like some things Romney does I like there's plenty of things
Starting point is 01:19:08 Look I'm a happy I'm a sensible centrist Like that guy I talked about earlier Hey let's get to the There's no such thing as that But am I up next? You are up next Let's do you now
Starting point is 01:19:16 Randy what's what's your deal and what's the setup it's a new comedy it's uh it's like 22 22 minutes long um this show takes place in an alternate world where every human gets a superpower when they turn 18 years old except one and that's our protagonist she's 25 years old and as far she knows she never developed her superpower she uh she lives in london with two flatmates and in this clip, two of them have just gotten home from work. All right, here we go. Hello. How's work?
Starting point is 01:19:52 Everyone always gets angry with me when it goes badly. I'm just a messenger. It's not me saying it. Yeah, you're just a vessel. Like a sexy little carafe. Oh. Thank you, babe. Why don't you just quit?
Starting point is 01:20:05 Yeah, quit. I can't just quit. Right, leave dependents. I'm looking for a job. Yeah. He spends all day in his room applying for jobs, don't you, babe? Yes. It pays well
Starting point is 01:20:17 And they don't just use me for my power They also ask me to make teas and coffees Oh no I'm basically an appliance Look it could always be worse Don't Put yourself down like that Jen What do you mean in general
Starting point is 01:20:34 In general didn't you Yeah You were such a brave little soldier Carrie I haven't got a power yet I'm not like terminal Hey maybe the real power is just being yourself. That is the dumbest
Starting point is 01:20:47 fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. All right. This is extraordinary. And there's a number of things for some reason. The word extraordinary
Starting point is 01:20:56 is the word of the year for some reason. Right? So like there's like the extraordinary attorney woo or something. Anyway, this is extraordinary, just the word extraordinary.
Starting point is 01:21:06 It follows a bunch of extraordinary. Extraordinary? It depends on where you're at. Extraordinary works. Extraordinary works. an extra ord... I thought it was extraordinary.
Starting point is 01:21:18 Dineri. I think it works either way. I don't think you're wrong. It's six syllables, but it's just about how fast you run them together, right? Right. I think so. It doesn't matter. The stars of this show
Starting point is 01:21:32 are all 20-something English, Irish actors, and so you're seeing people that, you know, like kind of for the first time as an American. They are amazing. the casting of this show is so brilliant. It's hard to believe.
Starting point is 01:21:50 And again, it's, it's this fantasy comedy that, like, I just can't, I can't get enough of this idea that, you know, like everybody has a superpower.
Starting point is 01:22:00 It's so like, everything they do is so normal work-a-day stuff, but everyone has something. Everyone, you look around the city, this is in London, you see people just flying around, you know,
Starting point is 01:22:13 in the sky. and those are people who can fly and everybody and of course you know there's some uh mystery men stuff in this which is which is fine i love mystery men big fan yeah uh you know so one of the characters decides to put together a super team and only attracts people with weird powers and this kind of thing that's three-d printing but was probably my favorite three-d printing butt guy had a he can three-d print anything out of his butt really okay i'm in i'm all in i'm gonna watch this now. I mean, there's a, there are a lot of jokes like that. Like, this show is just jam packed with weird people with, you know, their, their one superpower is something you
Starting point is 01:22:54 would never expect. And, and, and, and that makes it funny. Yeah. I, I, I didn't even know about this. Another Hulu joint looks like. Uh, it is, uh, very British, which I'm always in on. Yes. Uh, on Hulu for us, um, created, created by a writer named Emma Moran, who, like this is almost first time out like was was writing for another very brief series a couple years ago as the only previous credit and awesome on you like this person has knocked it out of the park with their first foray into making it a comedy nice this guy named luke rollison who's in the who's in the thing he plays plays jizz lord he plays jizz lord yeah um he looks like his photo on imb he looks like an ai generated portrait I'm just going to put that out there. Most of them do. This cast is put together to look a sort of strange as you look from one person to another. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:54 And it's very, very helpful because you come to associate the weirdness of how they look with their superpower. Do I want to know what Gislord's power is? Do I want to know? No, no. You want to watch the show. Oh, watch the show. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:24:11 Yeah. it's am i going to am i going to hate why his name is jess lord no no you'll laugh all right i'm in i like dude whatever british stuff i'm already in before you even tell me what it's about so i'll watch this that's good my only you know as always standard disclaimer with anything made in england uh they're not going to be very many episodes of this and you're going to have to wait to find out if there's even a second series and as with all things that are oh no it said it was renewed for second season on january 23rd oh good for sure what i'm what i'm saying is this series this series starts with a big question and like most british series you might not ever get that question resolved oh i see what
Starting point is 01:24:59 you mean just let me yeah because they're just going to do like six of them and then another six of them and then they may never do it again and you may never hear and this one this one has eight episodes in this first series. Oh, that's a lot for a British for a British show. They usually go short. But anyway, all right. I'm in. I'll watch this. This sounds great. Bobby, it's your turn. Tell me about your clip. The setup is it's a scene that takes place in a long abandoned building overgrowth is in there. It's maybe decades long abandoned building. There's a man and a woman in the building and they're sitting over a young girl with a very big gun pointed at her and they've got some questions for her. Oh, wow. I think I might know what this is. Here you go. Do I look like I'm
Starting point is 01:25:40 infected? Show us your arm. Yeah, it's not getting any worse, is it? If we're out in the open city, why aren't we getting swarmed? Don't worry about that. Well, I'm gonna. What was Marlene doing with an infected kit? I'm not infected. She found me after I was bitten. And she didn't shoot you. Clearly not. She locked me up and had her guys test me every day and see if I was getting sick. Test you, how? I have to pee. Test you how? They'd make me count to ten and hold out my hand and then keep it steady.
Starting point is 01:26:13 But you know, I think what really impressed them was the fact that I didn't turn into a monster. Now, can I please? Fine. Back there, you can find a spot. I'm here. Tear out a few pages. there's not going to be anything bad in here just you oh funny all right well that is clearly the hot new last of us show on hboh max yep and i was i was thinking about doing something else for recommendals and i i mean it's only three episodes in
Starting point is 01:26:52 everybody's talking about it um it seemed like too easy of a pick you know yeah um but i picked it for two reasons first i keep seeing questions from people that that are asking like if i've never played the game before. Will I like this show? Should I watch it? And I have never played the game before. Me neither. Oh, great. Great. Yeah. And I haven't watched any streams. I barely know anything about the game, so I thought I could be a good perspective on that for people who might be, have that question floating around in their head. And the second reason is because even three episodes in, it is amazing. It is an amazing show. 30 minutes into the first episode, I was already in tears. it's it's so good it's such a great show third episode is uh the best hour of tv i've seen in
Starting point is 01:27:42 years yes that is absolutely true and um i'll just say they should give offerman on an emmy like just do it the other guy too the other guy is amazing this is a third consecutive week i've said this and i think i should just now say this on every episode of tms that i'm on uh just give craig maize and all the Emmys. Like every, from, from now on, if Craig Mason makes something, he just gets all the Emmys. That's just how it's going to be. Yeah. The other, and to your point about whether you played the game or not, you know, everyone's like,
Starting point is 01:28:12 ah, the video game to TV or movie curse is lifted, which I take issue with, because this is a cheat in a good way. This game is mostly about a narrative that's really well told and really intensely told and all of that. So the moving from game format to this format is almost like... Also, you can't say it's lifted like for the seventh time. Like, I think we should call that off with arcane. Like, that's the point where we say, all right, there's no more curse.
Starting point is 01:28:42 Yeah, I mean, you could argue Sonic was a good movie. You could argue... Sure. Detective Pikachu was awesome. Yeah. And I'd love what's the one with, like the Castlevania anime was amazing. Like, there's a lot of stuff and you say, well, how about live? action well there's lots of examples of that too i think that but also scott saying that it's already
Starting point is 01:29:04 they were starting with a game that was already basically a narrative i don't think is giving the creators of the show enough credit because this is sort of a double mental i've never done this before but i decided to do it with this one you know how hbo shows always have like a companion podcast that goes with it yeah i decided to listen to the one for this show this time and they talk Troy Baker hosts that, right? I think. They've got the voice of Joel in the game. Anyway, keep going. Yeah. Yes, exactly. And so it's him, Troy Baker, and Craig Mason and Neil Druckman, who are the, those last two names are the creators. And they talk a lot about the decision-making process of how they made things different, what they thought about, how they're very clearly trying to think about an audience that is. not familiar with the game. They made a lot of storytelling decisions
Starting point is 01:30:02 to depart from the game for very good reasons. All the way down to how you meet the girl in that show, Ellie, her character, is very different from the game, and they talk about that and why they made that decision and it has to do with,
Starting point is 01:30:17 you know, they're thinking about things like when you're playing a game, you are embodying the main character, Joel. So you are Joel. but as a viewer of the show you are not Joel you are you watching these things happen so the experience is very different and they're very aware of that
Starting point is 01:30:35 their adaptation is obviously really strong here I mean Druckman VP at Naughty Dog created this game in the first place super smart creative dude but I think it's Mazen who's stepped in and said look this is how this has got to go and I agree with everything they've done
Starting point is 01:30:55 as a fan of both mediums, I think that they've killed it. And the way that they, like season three, or sorry, episode three is basically them taking a thing that's barely alluded to in the game and blowing it up and saying, here are those 20 years. Let's really look at them.
Starting point is 01:31:12 And it made some massive changes to how some of that turns out. But it's so incredibly intimate and interesting and incredibly well acted and just blew my frickin' mind. mind. Yeah, the acting is amazing. So Joel, which is the main character...
Starting point is 01:31:28 So for anybody who is not familiar with the game, it's a very simple premise. It's a zombie apocalypse premise, and that's basically what you need to know. Joel, who is the main character, is Pedro Pascal. He's a smuggler, and he's been tasked with taking the girl, who's Bella Ramsey, who you know from Game of Thrones. He has to take her to a place to outside of the quarantine. zone where they are in and she's important because apparently
Starting point is 01:32:01 and this is all revealed in the first episode it's not really spoilers she's she's apparently somehow immune to this infection so that's very important she needs to be transported and Joel is not doing it out of the kindness of his own heart
Starting point is 01:32:15 he's got his own motivations and so as you might expect things don't go according to plan but the acting you're right is amazing Anna Torv is also Oh yeah It took me hot
Starting point is 01:32:27 It took me Like most of that episode First episode For me to realize Who that was Because I was like Gosh dang it I know her
Starting point is 01:32:35 Why do I know her And then I was like Oh freaking mine hunter And that other That sci-fi show From years ago Fringe It's like
Starting point is 01:32:42 Of course that's her And she's always good And she's so good And she's so good in this She melted into it And I just Forgot who she was She's so good
Starting point is 01:32:49 It's got all the Hallmarks Of really good Zombie Stories like the zombies aren't really the real focus you know they just are creating the tension to tell stories about the real
Starting point is 01:33:00 bad people in the world which are other people and and they talk about on this podcast even that every this in a strange way this whole show is an exploration of of love and relationships and and
Starting point is 01:33:20 boy do they have every kind of loving relationship and good and bad. Here's what I like about it. It's that, but it's doing it. Walking Dead, okay? My problem with Walking Dead was, as much as I enjoyed parts of Walking Dead, my biggest problem of Walking Dead was, it was just black and white. It was like, we're a few survivors that sort of trust each other, but the rest of everyone else sucks. Everyone else sucks. There's nobody who's any good. Even if you meet somebody you think is good, they are not good, or they're going to die right away. Like, it was a very
Starting point is 01:33:54 dour view of humanity. This show already, and the game to some degree, is already better at bringing out the humanity and saying, no, there is, there are these points of light. There are these people where kindness matters first or
Starting point is 01:34:09 commitment matters more or whatever. And that, that for me, really is what sets this apart outside, you know, outside of other movies in the genre. Even more than that, they aren't just painting this rosy picture of love conquers all that's not the point
Starting point is 01:34:26 they're talking about how there are even love can bring you to do terrible things and that everyone they talk about how everyone like most people their motivation when you boil it down comes down to some sort of love
Starting point is 01:34:42 of some type and they want to explore that right even the bad guys even the even the zombies in a way and so yeah And Scott, you've got to listen to this podcast. You will love this podcast. It starts with Neil Druckman kind of like looking around, wishing that someone would make a TV show out of this thing.
Starting point is 01:35:04 And he can't, he can't ever find a place for it. And Craig Mason comes along and loves the video game. And Craig Mason says to Neil Druckman, are you kidding? I can get a meeting with HBO. Let's go. And like the next day, HBO is just agreeing to anything Craig Mason will want. to do. It's just like, it's so, it's so happy. I assume that was in the, the glow of how well Chernobyl did for him over there. And that is, oh man, if you haven't seen that yet, you got to watch
Starting point is 01:35:34 that too, but it's really good. You are asking that question, should you watch it? I've never played the game. Should I watch it? I don't know anything about the games. I'm loving it. I definitely don't feel like I'm missing anything or finding it difficult to understand things. They're doing a great job. And if you don't like zombie stuff, obviously, there's a lot of zombie scary. stuff going on and there are lots of that. But I would actually say there's less of that than I expected. And the zombies are beautiful.
Starting point is 01:36:00 I don't know. It's crazy. They're mushroom people. I mean, even their origin of where this thing came from. Oh, that's the other thing I really like about it. The game doesn't do these flashbacks where we're in the 60s and two experts are on a TV show talking about the potential of this
Starting point is 01:36:15 thing jumping between humans and fungi or whatever. That wasn't in the games. but man is that stuff really good like so like world-buildy and and just makes you feel like this hot fire of like what really went down instead of just while I'm in the game and I'm playing and I got to make sure to headshot these guys
Starting point is 01:36:33 and not run out of ammo. It's good. It's the right format and I love it. All right, excellent stuff. That's HBO Max. They're on episode three, episode four years this weekend. Here is mine. Much lighter note. All right.
Starting point is 01:36:48 This just landed on Netflix this week and I couldn't be more happy. Here's my clip. What's ironic about Jesus Christ becoming a carpenter was he was actually named after the two words you're most likely to shout after hitting your thumb with a hammer. Scholars believe he was a real historical figure, like Justin Timberlake or Garfield.
Starting point is 01:37:07 Whether or not they think he was the actual son of God who performed miracles, like walking on wine or helping a deaf man see, they all agree preach tolerance and forgiveness. A message so important his most ardent followers, us would eventually start killing anyone who didn't want to hear it. All right. So I feel like we've already recommended this a hundred times and I cannot prove it. It looks like we have never recommended it.
Starting point is 01:37:31 We've never done it because it's hard to get. I mean, the BBC app, I guess, had a bunch of it. There's some stuff on YouTube. I was made aware of it through TikTok shorts where they just cut out bits of this stuff. But this is kunk on earth, which is this. I've got to pull up her name because I was forgetting her name. Hold on aside.
Starting point is 01:37:50 You need to. Diane Morgan. There it is. Diane Morgan. She's an amazing comedian. You've seen her in a bunch of Ricky Jervais stuff. But she's done a whole bunch of these. Cunk on Britain. Cunk on Shakespeare.
Starting point is 01:38:03 She plays a character called Philomena Cunk doing these sort of fake documentaries where she's just learning the history of things. She's another funny stuff. Like Mandy is really funny. She's just a very interesting woman. And she narrates this entire thing and talks. about that there are five episodes on Netflix or maybe it's six five I think I burned through them all yesterday because I loved it so much it's really funny stuff and they cover everything from
Starting point is 01:38:30 the origins of religion the origins of warfare technology where we are today on the final episode it's basically just like a history of our planet and of humanity told by this really dry droll sort of you know wit of a British person presenting it and she really doesn't know anything and her observations are always ridiculous and funny. And she sits down with real experts in the field she's talking about who a little bit like Borat are sort of just fielding these questions and not really prepared for them. They're not, they don't know why she asked such a dumb question and they kind of have to stumble around to answer it. Here's the weird thing about it. It's meant to be satire, obviously. It's meant to be funny. But it comes off as almost better
Starting point is 01:39:19 than like history channel documentaries and I can't really explain why it's it's like she's subversing she's subverting it teaching you to something about history but doing it from this ignorant place and you actually I feel like you actually learn a little more because they do always explain
Starting point is 01:39:37 the real thing like the guy the expert will go well no that's not how that's not how volcanoes work actually this and this so they tell you real things but she's always asking it the stupidest way possible and it's wonderful. I love it and I can't get enough of it.
Starting point is 01:39:54 And you should watch Kunkn, Britain. They're all on YouTube, at least in the States. I have watched everything she's ever done because it's just all on YouTube. Yeah, it's all really good. Kung Kong, Britain is so funny. I've seen clips from it, but never full episodes. I need to get over there.
Starting point is 01:40:09 It has quickly become legendary, that little series. Well, this is a lot of that. It is Netflix. I hope this means more of it's coming. It's, you know, currently being universally lauded. Oh, and you guys know the song Pump Up the Jam from the 80s. Pump up the jam. Pump it up.
Starting point is 01:40:28 Get your body moving, that thing. I don't want to give away why that song matters for this documentary series, but you need to freaking watch it because that will now, that song from Technotronic or whatever will now be forever burning your mind in about 100 different ways. I can't even explain it. You just have to see it. cunk on earth amazing and uh just imagine if she makes a cunk on america oh my gosh oh there's got
Starting point is 01:40:54 to be like we sure and this thing includes a bunch of like you know civil war stuff and american uh world war two american stuff and how the nuclear bomb worked and what we did to get it made and all that so she covers a lot of american stuff but uh you know they they keep it real straight lace too like it's beautifully filmed lots of soft background focus beautiful outside shots she's in Italy and Ireland and all these places and it just comes off as an incredibly well made as sort of expensive BBC production, but she's a total Nimrod and made me laugh harder than I've laughed in a long time. So if you're in the mood to laugh. I'm so glad it's streaming and you recommended it. Like I say, it's just, it's so funny. And we've, I just feel like we already
Starting point is 01:41:39 recommended it. So it's good to get it out there. Yeah, it's really, really good. Anyway, there are your recommendations for the week. And these will all be up on quickt ms.l i if not in full yet they will be later when brian's done with his appointment because he puts those up and uh can't wait to see what you guys bring next week that'll be a lot of fun Nicole thanks for being with us oh she's muted yes i made it you made it woo-hoo have a great week brandy you'd have the same damn good week and we'll see you soon hey bobby guess what that's the end of the show pretty much uh there's some there's a couple things here let's just rip through the final dregs of today's program play retro tonight all right it's at 3 30 mountain time normally it's on
Starting point is 01:42:24 tuesdays we bumped it to wednesday this week for reasons don't have to get into them but we're doing that tonight and i can't wait so if you want to hang out with me and brian done away again then tonight at 330 mountain time at fraudpence dot tv is where the live show will be or you can get the podcast wherever you get your shows and uh we'll be back to a normal show tomorrow brian will be back we'll probably have a story or two about his physical therapy I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe it all went well and there was nothing to talk about. I don't know. I don't know what tell he gets here. But it'll be exciting to find out. Patreon.com slash TMS is where you can support your favorite show. Please do. We would love it. It's a brand new month. No better time to get no commercials ever. Our couch parties on the weekend. The pre-show content every day, including today. Me and Bobby did some pre-show. It was great. Yeah. So do check it out. That's patreon.com slash TMS. Bobby, make sure you tell people at home where they can find you when you're not here because you do a pretty good science podcast, I hear.
Starting point is 01:43:23 Yep, the science podcast to do is called All Around Science, and we cover science stuff every week. Just stuff in the news or what we're thinking about and interested in and where we take questions from listeners and all that kind of stuff. So if you like science, even a little bit, because we try to approach it from a non-scientist perspective and from we try to break it down for you then check out all around science.
Starting point is 01:43:53 Nice. Do that. You won't regret it. All right, to get out of here, I'm going to do some music. Again, I don't have proper songs today, so I'm doing video game tracks that I really like. And I wanted to contrast that kind of softer, middle, bit that we did earlier with something a little more hardcore. Many of you know I'm a huge fan of the Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal soundtracks, which were done by an amazing musician named Mick Gordon.
Starting point is 01:44:20 And they're very heavy medley sort of approaches to the Doom stuff, but it really fits and really works for me, and I really like this stuff. And so I'm going to play one of those. This is the Doom 2016 original soundtrack and the track called Rip and Terror. That'll do it for us. We'll see you guys tomorrow. We're going to be.
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