The Morning Stream - TMS 2439: Kiss your ant

Episode Date: March 21, 2023

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are belong to us hello everybody welcome back to TMS. It's the morning stream for Tuesday, March 21st, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian Abbott. Hi, Brian. Yes, hello, yellow. Hello again. Hello. I just kind of

That's the end of that song. We're going to be stuck in forever. If I let that one go. Yeah, don't let that go. Hey, I got to tell everybody a quick recommendation before we do anything else. Ooh, okay. If you have not yet heard it

and are any kind of fan at all of Dead Mouse albums, his new collaboration with, I forgot the other guy's name, hold on, it's mostly collab with him, but it's also got some of his solo tracks. Smokey Robinson. It is, yes, the corpse of Smokey Robinson. Oh, Cascade is the person he does it with.

anyway known for you know his deep house sort of business anyway um out of nowhere so i got the backstory on it my nephew chuck who runs the or who's the head of the band brother who performed at uh one of our tms vagues a couple years ago yeah the tms Vegas we had at container park i think our last uh one before the pandemic right 2019 yeah so 2019 yeah um anyway he back in 2020 some producers asked him to come into a studio to record some tracks and they didn't say what for they were just like okay well he was working with the label and they were going to try to see if anyone would pick these up so they were doing some demo tracks so he went to record these tracks and they didn't hear anything about these tracks until like a week ago okay and a week

ago they call him and go chuck good news um your songs on the new dead mouse album Oh, yeah, that's great. What a great way to find that out. It is great. He kind of, like, freaked him out. He's like, what, really? Whoa. And so basically what happened is he, you know,

Dead Mouse took that track and then added, you know, the Dead Mouse part and made the track out of it called Powder Blue, which is the fifth track on the new album. Anyway, the whole record is freaking slamming. It is so good. I love it so much. And that particular song is really good. So there's a little nepotism there for me on track five, but the rest of it really good. So just a quick album recommendation.

It's called KX5, which is really just Dead Mouse at the 5. Yeah, it is. It sounds like a Mazda, doesn't it? The new KX5. It's, and it's his, again, this thing you do with Cascade. It's up on Spotify and Apple Music, and it's great. Really good. So go give it a listen to that.

I just actually listened to the T-Pain, brand new T-Pain cover album, which is surprisingly good. Like, I didn't know what to expect going into it because, you know, I think, I think T-Pain, I think, I really think Lonely Island, I'm on a boat. I'm wearing flippy floppies. Oh, yeah. I just think auto-tune. That's all I think. That's why I think auto-tune as well. So far, I don't know how much I've heard.

It's not as noticeable if it's, if he's using it. But he's got a cover of, don't stop believing by journey. Change is going to come by Sam Cook. Stay with me by Sam Smith. War Pigs by Black Sabbath. Oh, War Pigs. I love that song. It's actually really good.

Really? It's surprisingly, yeah. It's, um, it feels, it's like very immersed in just soul. Just your R&B 80s, 90s soul. No, you know. That's an interesting take on that song because that song is so like, I don't even know how to, I don't even know how to describe it. It's not even metal.

I don't know how to describe that song. Warpigs. Yeah, Warpigs is like, I mean, it's Black Sabbath. so it's metal, but it's like a different... But it's not your typical... It's certainly not your typical metal song. I love that song, though. So good.

When rolls gather in their masses. Taking home economic classes. They are wearing contacts instead of glasses. Emitting stinky. lentil gases. Why lentils? Because lentils make you fart. It's been scientifically proven.

That's true. I mean, it's a bean, right? Yeah, it's a bean. It's a legume. Those beans will get you every time, man. I got an important note here from Tristan, Tristan, not your son, different Tristan. Sure, sure.

He's from Edmonton. He spells it horribly. Yeah, it's T-R-Y-S, I guess it's Tristan. Try Stan. Like you're just urging. Stan to come on give it one last go try Stan one more time just do it for us well try Stan from edmonton alberta

wrote in about episode 2426 and says those aren't m&Ms in your trail mix they're smarties i think they're m&Ms here right yeah here they're m&Ms the what we call m&Ms the UK and i guess Canada i didn't realize canada as well

called smarties those uh candy coated chocolates here smarties are little non-choclet little hard sugar sugar discs yeah they're the ones

my friends used to I had a friend in high school used to crush him up and snored him because he was weird wow I know he has nose issues now

like legit does he I'm not surprised but I'm not sure it's from the smarties in high school or the cocaine he did in college it could be that really I can't believe

smarties were a gateway drug to cocaine I love it I think that guy just wanted put powder up his nose. It really just felt like it. Exactly. Yeah. Was Snuff, like when I was in junior high school, snuff was huge out here. I haven't heard of that in so long. What happened to snuff? Is it still a thing?

I mean, I assume it is, but there was a hot minute there. Yeah, there was a hot second in the 80s, early 80s where every kid thought it was cool. Yeah. Except me. Except for me and Scott. Yeah. I thought it was dumb and did not follow. I think that was the the first salvo in my war against the sheep following the herd in high school like no i'm not doing that garbage what you stupid

yeah snuff was a weird thing i was basically just was like powdered tobacco product or something i think so yeah but there was something that they they snorted too wasn't just the because it was the um snuff was the stuff you snorted right as opposed to the i think so they'd put it on their little knuckle uh crease here and go yes like that and And then everybody would go, whoa, and you'd wear like a rush shirt while you did it and stuff like that. That's my memory of it. Let's see. Yeah, powdered tobacco, you're right.

There you go. Powdered preparation of tobacco used by inhalation. It can't be good for your membranes and whatnot, right? Like, chew is pretty bad, too, for the same reasons. Don't be doing that stuff. Rebel scum in the chat says snuff is great. Well, all right, then. That's right.

It was made by Copenhagen. And so that's why I thought it was like a, yeah, like it was a cheek and gum kind of thing. For a long time, I thought that snuff, when they would say snuff, I thought they meant the movies with death in it. Snuff films. Oh, yeah, snuff films? Sure. So I'd hear that and go, ooh, that sounds scary. I didn't know what those were until I was educated by Nicholas Cage, I believe.

Yeah, he'll let you know what's up. His face is a death movie. As in 2018, he got a job in Seattle and sat next to a guy who spit his chew into a soda can. So gross. My college roommate, a guy named Jay, I won't reveal his last name, although I should look the guy up and see what he's doing these days, used a transparent plastic Mountain Dew bottle and spit his stuff in there. So it wasn't even like, at least in a can, you just get the sound of it and you forget about it for a second. There, it's like it just sits on our shared desk.

that's so gross and he'd reuse it oh yeah jay was uh jay could get four wares out of out of his clothes because he would wear it frontwards backwards inside out frontwards and inside out backwards jay jay was just about conservation it turns out he just wanted to yeah jay was the laziest f but god he was a talent artist pissed me off like let me tell you what's gross though that is so gross in that bottle here's the reason yeah it's one thing it's gross that you're spitting it in anything. One, two, it's gross that it's a, it's a bottle. And three, I guess the two doesn't really matter, but three, it's a semi-translucent yellow tinted bottle, which means, or green, which means that you're going to not only see the crap he spit in there, but it's going to have

the tint, which makes it look worse. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, the green tint on that brown, but then there's this kind of minty smell. That's foul, dude. I just found them, by the way. Oh, he's, what's he up to? Anything good? He owns a, oh man, do I even say, he owns his own studio. He's been doing 30 years experience in the animation, graphic design, and gaming industries. Wow. Yeah.

Had a career then. I should, I should friend him. Friend him. Find out what's going on. He might spit in your, he'll spit in your reply. And you'll smell mint when you get it. There we go. Oh, good. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, incredibly talented artist just takes me off. Yeah, man, the better they are, the weirder they are. That's what I was always told. Well, anyway, so thank you, Tristan, from Alberta, and we'll keep that in mind. If he sees that I follow him, he reaches back out. Should I say, dude, so good to hear from you. Man, you were so talented.

By the way, still spit and chew into a plastic mountain dew transparent box? Yeah, ask him. Are you doing that? And you also still, is that sure? The shirt you're having on right now, is it four days old? That's right. Oh, yeah. And he listened to Nights and White Satin incessantly, like over and over.

That was his favorite song, and I think at least I heard it once a night while we were roommates in college. And we were in, this was not like roommates where we've got, oh, a couple rooms, a bathroom, blah, blah, no, this was a one room dorm room with two beds in it and a shared desk and two closets and that's it. Like basically, I heard whatever he was dishing out. He heard whatever I was dishing out. He probably, you know, he could probably say, oh, yeah. Well, Brian, you were like, you did this and you did this and you did this to be irritating. So I can't, you know, I can't speak. Maybe he has a list of things Brian did.

We don't know. I bet he does. He'll reach out and say, hey, what annoyed you about me in college? What did I do? Well, let's look into some deeper in Brian's life. Be courteous and obey traffic regulations. I would send a list by an anonymous sender. Okay.

I don't have their name, but I love this. Do you have the background on this list? I don't have a background at all on this. I don't know where it's from or what the deal is. So this is, this comes from, somebody posted this like on Instagram, and this is a list that somebody printed up, laminated, and put on the back of their seat, the back of their passenger seat, so that somebody getting into their lift ride could choose from the following 10 options for the kind of ride they want. It's like a menu for them. A menu. And so when they get in, they, you know, they look at this list and say, I'll take the number five, please, or something like that, right?

This is great. I didn't realize that this was like a selection thing. Have you thought about doing this for your, for your rides or? I don't want to go to the effort. I really, yeah, well, let's go over the list and I'll talk about why I don't want to do this. All right. All right. Here's number one.

The awkward ride. You ignore this menu completely. Then we sit in silence for the remainder of the ride. That's number one. Uh-huh. So I'll bet a lot of people. would choose one. I guess if it's paper, though, you're not really choosing anything. It's just like a fun thing back there, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because you're not going, I'll have the number one

driver. No one does that. Right? No one does that. I mean, especially number one, because you ignore the menu completely. So it's, number one will never get chosen because it immediately, uh, it immediately destroys rule number one. Yeah, that's a good point. By choosing number one, you've, you've eliminated number one. All right. Here's number two. The funny ride. I tell you jokes, uh, or entertaining. stories from my life. That would be Brian in this case. I don't want to do it. Like, you start a conversation with me. I'll talk.

But I'm not going to be like, ah, let me tell you about the time that I had a concert in Las Vegas with Richard Cheese. Yeah, see, yeah, I agree. That's a bummer. That's like the Chimmy Changa on a Mexican restaurant menu. No one really wants to make it. It's a pain in the ass.

It's a pain, but you have to have it because you're a Mexican restaurant. You have to put it on there. Yeah. but it's hard to make it's a very interesting like there there's a that's an analogy i love man oh good i got one right that feels good you get them right all the time i get i get them they're always right to me yes um they're real to me man all right here's three the silent ride and then there's that's all it is obviously that's all it is like not even any description because what more do you need just no just be nice and quiet that's so that's the number one

if they read the menu. As soon as they read the menu, the number one becomes the number three. Yeah, number three and number one are swappy. Number four, the creepy ride. I don't say anything, but I keep staring at you in the review mirror. I like this one. God.

I like this one. Because if you're a little, you know, if you're not sure about somebody or they got like two mouths or something, you're going to be checking them out, going, oh, what's that about it? I worry about the four, the creepy ride, because, um, I'm a conscientious driver. I like to know, like, who's in front of me, who's behind me, who's on either side of me in the car. And I, like, you know, I'm constantly checking the mirrors so that I know, like, oh, if I need to change lanes really quick because the exit's coming up, I want to know what car is on my right that I need to look for it to beware of, right?

Oh, I know there's a red sedan coming up on my right side, and I just kind of look for it. And if I don't see them, then I know that they're either hanging back in my blind spot or they've moved. over a lane and I missed them. Right, right. And so I'll constantly, you know, be looking around and driving and kind of looking up and looking, you know, and then I'll look in the rearview mirror to see the cars behind me, but my eyes will just for a second drift over to the person in the back seat who will then be like, look up from their phone and see that I'm looking at them and I'm, I don't like it immediately. Yeah. Just look at, just look at the red sedan, make wait for the red sedan. Yeah, you don't want to make eye contact in those awkward

situations. I get it. Exactly. So, so, it reminds, what does that remind me of? Oh, that reminds me of that movie with Tom Cruise and Jamie Fox, where he drives Tom Cruise around, the Michael Mann movie? Can they get the name of the movie? Collateral? Collateral.

Oh, I love that movie so much. That's a good movie. So good. All right. Here's number five, the karaoke ride. We rock out to hits from the 80s, early 2000s, or literally whatever you want. You're closest to this, I think. I've done this.

I've had people who got in the car and said, oh my God, you like Oingo Boingo. We love Oingo Boingo. Play this song by Oingo Boingo. Because they see I have the sticker on the back of my car. Right. And so I'll like play that. And then they're like, oh, play this.

Usually, I mean, the only time it's ever happened is when I pick up drunks. Drunk girls, yeah. And they want to hear specific songs. And they don't know the words to them. And I don't want to sit there. And while I'm driving, constantly be. telling my Apple device, my smart assistant on my Apple's device, what song to play. Because inevitably, they will be yelling,

the other people in the car will be yelling and talking and, you know, saying everything while I'm trying to get S-I-R-I to do what I want. Yeah. And you're going to say, like play, I don't know, landslide by Fleetwood Mac. Instead, they're going to start some song by T-Pain again. Exactly. Because they didn't hear it right. By the provider of my Oingo Boingo sticker, TVZGon, right there on the channel.

Oh, very nice. It's been a few days, TVZGone. It's nice to see you here. Here's one. The Bubbles ride. We blow bubbles the whole time. F that. Who would do that?

That seems like a real bad idea to me. Just bad. Oh, yeah. That bubble juice is never going to get spilled in my car with, you know, drunk people blowing bubbles or setting it down on the road. Yeah, you think bubbles. like, oh, it's soap. What harm can it cause? Dude, it's the worst. It is the worst. Why not? Yeah. Maybe I'll set up a fog machine in my car, too. That sounds like a great idea, too.

Yeah, don't do any of this. It's all bad. All right. How about this one? The talks, I'm sorry, the small talk ride. We talk about how crazy the weather has been lately, and I ask if you caught the game last night. By default, that's most of the rides I get. Yeah. Kind of that and a combination of another, another ride we get to. But that's... In the Mexican restaurant situation, this is the smothered burrito. This is the Spothered Chicken Frieda. Yeah, everybody wants. Yeah, combo one.

Everybody always gets it. It's just the common thing. They're always making 10 of them in the back. It's just an easy one to make. That's the one. Yep. Number eight, the therapy ride. You vent to me about your problems and I listen.

That happens sometimes, right? Good. 10% of my rides are therapy rides. And I've tucked people into going back into rehab. Like one of my first weeks of driving I got sent up to Longmont, and I picked up a guy. We were going to pick up his car because he left at the bar. And I said, oh, man, it's super, you know, very good responsible if he's like, well, it's responsible of me, but, you know, but it's my one responsible thing I've done in a sea of irresponsible things. And so we talked the whole time about, you know, he's had this drinking problem and he's just not sure. And I said, well, you know, just go, you need to find someone just to talk to.

You don't have to go jump right back into rehab or jump into something like that. But find somebody, you know, find somebody who can, you can just talk with. Because we're almost at your car and your time is up. Yeah, your time is up. I'm sorry, I have other appointments. You're going to have to get out of the car. Exactly, yes. Tina's great at the therapy ride.

She turns all of her rides into therapy rides. Oh, every ride is a therapy ride, but Tina, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Oh, so how did that make you feel? Yeah, I'm going to the mall to just want me go to the gap and get some pants. Oh, how do you feel about the gap? Do you feel like there's a gap in your life that needs to be filled? That's right.

Why do you feel required to wear pants from the gap? Interesting that you chose gap instead of H&M. Is there, or the sister store, old name. Tell me, how was your childhood? How did the Kmart touch you or something? the drunk ride you throw up in my car not a chance no thanks

I don't drive after 7 p.m. And I know people can get drunk before 7 but that really significantly reduces the chances that I'm going to pick their drunk butts up. Yeah, you don't want that. Nobody, freaking nobody wants that. No, and I do have barf bags both in the pockets in the back of the passenger and driver's seats.

Oh, like the airplane type, but the little hooks and the stuff on. airplane, not the airplane type. I got some that are like little green rings with a bag and the bag kind of presses into the plastic ring. Tina got these when she was going through chemo and we saved them and turned out they were the perfect thing to put in our cars for this sort

of thing. Have you had anyone use one? Nope. Okay, I guess. Cross those things. Nobody's ever puked in my car. That's awesome. You don't ever want that. I don't ever want that. Number 10 and finally on the menu we have the cliche ride. You ask me how long I've been driving for lift. Do you get that a lot?

Almost every time. And that was the, like, the joke I made during the spree, my spree intro for film sack was that every single writer asks me, how long have you been driving for lift? And I say, oh, yeah, a couple of years, but I took a year off for the pandemic, blah, blah, blah. So it is like the every, it is the every question. It's hard for people to avoid that one, I'll bet. I bet they just can't stand not asking it. It's, you know, though it tells me It's like weather

They'll get in It's like the weather, right? Exactly, yeah, it is. And it's like they'll get in the car Hey, looks like we're going to 1824 South Market. Yep, that's right. Okay, cool. Hey, if you need, there's a phone charger in the back,

bottles of water in that cooler by your feet. Let me know if you need anything. Right. Oh, no problem. Sounds good. And then if they say that, then it's like, oh, okay, that tells me that they want to chat while we're driving. I don't need a stupid menu to tell me.

No, you don't need a menu. Yeah, you know what? Just intuit this stuff, everybody. You don't need to freaking have a menu. All right? You'll be fine. Right. Exactly. There's four or five on here that I don't want them to choose.

No, hell no. Just have a, you know, have a smaller menu, like a fancy little place that only opens from like 2 p.m. to 9 or whatever. Right, exactly. It's a prefix. It's actually you, you get basically you get these three options or you get nothing. And those are your choices. The one thing, spree taught me. the movie spree, is that I will never drink a lift or uber driver's water.

I'll never do it again. I know. It sucks because, you know, I mean, I'll think of it immediately. He'll say, hey, there's water back there. If you need any, I'll just go, oh, no, I know what you're up to, dude. I've seen your glue gun. You might if I check it for residue from a wax gun, a glue gun? Yeah, do you have any glue gun balls on there that I missed the first time when I looked?

I think it's just good that that movie was so. seen by so few people because I have to worry about that because I pick up people from the airport all the time and they've never been to Colorado and they are not used to the altitude and that you basically have to just stay hydrated the entire time. Oh, right, right. Altitude, that's why that was when we did an artacular up there, we always said to tell people, you know, drinking stuff, but you're going to get dehydrated quick because you're higher elevations and drink. Alternate your booze with glasses of water. And even in Vegas, I know it's not altitude there, but dude, when you're in Vegas, Yes, make sure you alternate your alky beverages with some water because you need it. Especially if you go in there in July or August, it's really hot. Yeah. I mean, I'd say out of regular rides, 5% of the people actually help themselves to a bottle of water.

Airport rides, when I pick somebody up from the airport, probably a good 30, 40% of people. Well, you look trustworthy. Like, I'd get in your car and go, oh, wow, this is the friendliest thing I ever did. I'll just have that water. Like, I wouldn't think about it twice. but now I've seen this movie and I just feel like flat general rule I'm not drinking anybody's water ever again.

I know, yeah. Too tamperable. I'm certainly not going to drink it if it's like, hmm, this is some weird tasting water? Is this some sort of like, is this natural water? Is this smart water? What am I,

well, what am I tasting in this? Ew. You reminded me how much I don't like smart water. But you use a, you reuse a smart water bottle. Isn't that bottle next to you a smart water bottle? No, this one is just a Kirkland.

Oh. Kirkland okay it looks like the the uh it does you're not wrong it does kind of but the smart water flavor ones are like oh this one's peach or whatever no it isn't it's freaking saccharine nightmare it's awful terrible oh speaking of music brian in your car yeah yeah we got a call and uh oh cool you know we sometimes have people who we'll make a claim or a comment on the show and they'll say yeah i got to pipe in and give my opinion on a thing well that's what happened here they have to rebut they have to rebut yeah this is a rebut from Jason. This is about vinyl records and the difference in sound and that sort of thing. So enjoy.

This is Jason from Pennsylvania. I'm just calling to comment about a discussion I think of last week or so about whether records sound better than digital or CDs. I'm a music producer and I get this question all the time. And the actual answer for whether records sound better than anything else is depends what you put on it. You can put CD quality on TV quality music on to a record, and it's kind of sound like a CD. If you put a higher, you put a higher quality version on it, it's going to sound like that high quality version. If you put an MP3 quality version of your music onto a record, it's going to sound like

an MP3. But where this really gets interesting is if you think about your older records, like, say, Dark Side of the Moon, like you have you talking about last week, if you, then they took that straight, completely analog front tape and put it on. to record. I guarantee that that sounds better than a digitized version on your CDs, or even the digitized versions, which technically take samples of the music like a film would at a certain rate, and turn it into a digital file. If it's completely straight from the tape, it's going to sound better than a digital version of it anything. So that's your quick and easy answer

for whether records sound better. They can, they might not. Have a good one. Bye. Interesting. They can, but they might not. You know? The irony that we get a sound call and explanation from that phone call. Yeah, I was going to say, it's like this, you know, obviously in his car and it's a little rough and all that, but it is kind of funny that we're talking about sound quality from recall. That's not that great. And Pops at Recline made the same joke, but I was thinking about doing it before I even saw Pops and Recline's comment in the chat room. That's right. You stay in recline, Pops.

That's a very, very good point. And, you know, the 180 gram vinyl records versus the thinner, because you've got, I don't know if it's, this might be another question for it, like deeper grooves in the 180 gram vinyl or it's just sturdier, so it doesn't flop around or something? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wondered, yeah, I didn't think about that. Maybe the density of the grooves or some other factors play into it. I don't know. Yeah.

There's so many, there's so many factors in that. And this, you know, this is like a $200 turntable I've got up here. With so many records on it, stacked on top of it, you probably wonder, how can Brian listen to anything on there? And the truth is, Brian hasn't listened to anything on there in a couple weeks, and he needs to. But the $200 turntable isn't going to sound as good as a much higher direct drive, better needle, you know. I mean, basically, there's so many factors that if you can throw money at it and have a very, very good listening experience. And this is connected via USB to my computer.

So it's, you know, I'm, again, at the mercy of whatever my speaker sounds are. Sure. Or my headphones or whatever. Right, right, right. That's a lot of it as well is how good is your output, not just your input. Yeah, I don't know. I've always been, I've kind of from afar watch people argue about fidelity when it comes to records or vinyl versus, you know, other formats. And I kind of just don't care.

It's like, as long as I've, like, I'll put on these. where are they right here i'll put on these like it's sound isolating monster headphones and i'll listen to that dead mouse album and it sounds incredible to me now you know it is apple's lossless format which is a better sound and and all of that but and you know spotify does its thing or whatever so you're getting the probably the best you're going to get digitally but right it just to me it's the it's aces and i don't yeah i don't know i just i'm enjoying it it's loud it's Basie, it's fine. For me, the turntable advantage is that experience,

that experience of slipping the insert out of the record sleeve, pulling the record out of the, I guess the sleeve, the inserted sleeve. Right. Putting it on there, using my disk washer to clean the dust off, and then putting the needle on. There is something to be said for that whole routine, right? Yeah, that's pretty great.

It's like why there's so many, Japanese people who kind of swear by the fold the napkin the particular way and drape it over your arm as you carry the you know there's the ritual that goes along with the what am I describing sepuku or something I don't know but whatever it is there's a ritual that goes along with it

that's as much of the experience as anything else yeah the uh the ritual of committing sepulcule clean you clean off the katana very carefully and then you sit on the ground holding the katana with both hands. We're wearing that fancy robe you kept just for this occasion, all that stuff. That's right. Well, that's great.

We like the deeper dive and we like hearing from experts. So thank you very much, Jason, for your expertise. I want to give a quick thanks to somebody before we get to the news. Good pal of the show, A.J. Bobo, been listening for a long time, been out there for a very long time. So a while back, I don't know if you remember this, but I drew a. a Warhammer 40K character. Okay. Just a big, cool-looking, you know, buff.

Once I get in the mood for this sort of thing. And he just looks like a big space-marine-looking dude. And kind of nondescript, I wasn't going for a particular army or whatever. So all you 40-K heads out there, chill. I'm not doing, I wasn't doing anything super serious. I just wanted to make like a cool-looking 40-K guy. So I did. I drew it, put it out there, didn't think about it again.

AJ Bobo is a guy who paints 40K figurines. Oh, cool. So he painted one exactly the colors and style that I did mine in, and I love it so much that I will never let it leave. I will hold on to the, I didn't bring it to put on camera like an idiot. I will never let it leave until right this moment when I did not bring it to the studio. Yeah, I meant to put it in here. It's upstairs, but it's so freaking cool. Oh, that's awesome.

I love it so much, and I just wanted to give him a big, hairy shout out for making such a rad little thing. And it caught me by total surprise. I didn't know it was going to be there. It was in the PO box. Bam. Made my entire week. So thank you, AJ Bobo. That was really nice.

I mean, I could have gone through the trouble of saying, hey, Brian Ibiter, hey, Brian Dunaway, print me a 40K guy. Sure. Send him in the mail. Okay, now I'll paint him and try to be exact. No, I had a perfectly suitable expert named AJ Bobo do it, and he's amazing. So anyway. That's awesome. Let us now drift over to the newsroom.

And do a little bit of news brought to you by. Wet, day old salad. Okay. So we went to Kim's parents, or no, Kim's sister's house and her parents. Everybody were there. We had a family thing on Sunday. And her sister, Julie, who I call Jolie, just for no reason. I don't know why I always have.

Just always called her Jolie. don't know why. Okay. She made, and her other sister, Danielle, I called Darnell. So I don't know. I just the thing I do. Oh, really? So you just do it with, okay.

I don't know why I do it. I don't do it with Sarah or Angel or other two sisters. But anyway, they're all there hanging out, doing their thing. And she always makes the salad. It's always amazing. Just this, like, spinach with mixed greens and amazing, like, homemade dressing stuff she does and all these little bits. So good.

And it was incredible. And at the end of the night, I'm like, I'm bagging some of that and taking what's left. because I love that. I'll eat it tomorrow. So I did that. Yeah. Now, this is a pre-mixed salad, meaning while we're there eating it,

prior to us eating it, she had mixed it. So all the stuff's in there, including the dressing. It's perfect. All good. Here's the problem. You make a bag of that,

you take it home, you put it in the fridge, you open it the next day for lunch. It's not the same. It's been soaking in that dressing, that whole time. Yeah. I expected Shrek to pop out

and go get out of my swamp, for real. It didn't happen, though. Yeah. Anyway, don't recommend it. Let's do this. Let's tell you about this story. Canada, boy, you're in the news now.

Hold on. Here's your thing. Canada! They're given the middle finger to everybody by saying it's a God-given right, according to a Canadian judge, to give the middle finger. All right? Yeah, but do they do they do with a sorry? Sorry.

Oh, I'm so sorry for this. Sorry. I love it. I love the idea that. while they're yelling and insulting you. You could put some Tim Horton's on this. You could put a couple donuts or even one of our coins on this middle finger because there's a whole. I'm double sorry.

I'm so double sorry. Anyway, we love Canada. Giving your neighbor, the middle finger may not have been polite, but it's protected as part of a person's right to freedom of expression under the Canadian constitution, which often I think we forget other countries have constitutions. We act like ours is some holy writ. Oh, yes. Other people have it, too. Because people have been wrapping themselves in it for the last three years. That's why they don't have to wear a mask.

In a 26-page decision, Dennis Galactis. I'm just going to call him. The World Eater from Canada. The world eater, yep. Galiasatos. Galiasatos? That sounds right. Galiat Santos, yeah. Dismissed a case against a man accused of harassing his neighbor in the Montreal suburb.

To be abundantly clear, says the judge. It is not a crime to give someone the finger, you said in a ruling on 24th of February. Flipping the proverbial bird is a god-given, charter enshrined right that belongs to every red blood of a Canadian, he added. Referring to Canada's charter of rights and freedoms.

Well, that's cool. We have the bill of rights. They've got the charter of rights and freedoms. The charter, yeah, the charter of rights and freedom. That's cool. I like that a lot. Or the Coraf, the C-O-R-A-F. Oh, even better.

It's just a big thing full of juice. tune out as somebody uses the term God-given. Yeah, I kind of do too. Do you don't get it if you don't believe in God? Is that a deal? What if you're an atheist? You don't, uh, it's just given. If you believe in Allah or uh, Jha, or, or one of those other ones.

Well, those are other gods, so you could technically say it's under the, under the thing. Oh, that's right. But if you go, God given right, man. If you say it's a Jesus given right, then you're, you know, you got a bias there. If you say uh, crom, then you, or wait, who is the

god of the uh yeah crom is crumb is the is uh conan that's right uh conan right canaan right it was conan it was conan yeah okay by crom i i i'm here with my sword kind of because i thought he would say no you're right i think crom might have been a deity but i was the it was like is ah crumb man i just i stepped on my sword ah crumb i can't remember it's been so long so i've seen that But anyway, the accused is Neil Epstein. He's a teacher. He's been arrested by police in May 2021 for uttering death threats and criminal harassment against his neighbor. Which was, which is like, I'm going to kill you.

Sorry. I'm going to kill you. I'm so sorry about wanting to kill you. In his decision, he launched the stinging rebuke of the neighbor and complainant. And he says, nothing more than mundane petty neighborhood trivialities is what this was. reduced to? You know, there's, it feels like if he issued death threats and harassed his neighbor, but also gave him the bird, it feels like the middle finger is probably the lightest of the

problems. You think he's over, he's over focusing on the bird and not enough on the death. Maybe you're looking at the, maybe, maybe let's, let's, let's just take that middle finger and we're going to put it over here and we're not going to look at it. Let's look over here at the death threats. That little middle fingers over here We're not looking at it We're not paying attention to it

But over here we've got the death threats Let's focus on the death threats Yeah And even even this person claimed That previously this Epstein dude Assaulted his parents in March of that year And that claim that claim also got dismissed by the judge So I think we may have a judge with a like a bird bias

You know Yeah He's just super into that middle finger And he's just bird bias judge Like nope I'm really focused on this bird bias bias By the way, Rainbow Bright, that was my attempt at a Gilbert Godfrey impersonation. Also, you know what's fun to say in line or together? Braembow bright, bird bias. That's fun to say.

Rainbow bright bird bias. Yep. Rainbow bright bird bias. You're better at the tongue twisters than me. I screw up on it. Not all of them. Like, seashells, seashells by the sea shores. See, already.

Already. Yeah, see how I'd do that one bad too. 20 dwarves doing handstands on the carpet. but 20 dwarves doing handstands on the carpet. That's not a tongue twister, though. That's like what you say to prepare for doing a newscast, right? Yeah, yeah. That's when you do the peas and secotash,

secotash and peas, or whatever they do. Boots and pants and boots and pants. That one I could do. Not a tongue twister, but just fun to say. Have you ever heard John Jagger do his tongue twisters? It's insane. Oh, is he really good? He's, he doesn't have the problem.

He can do any of them in rapid succession without a single air. It's crazy. if you've never seen that weird short animation that Carter did of us talking on court. Oh, that's right. That was that was sitting around some tongue twisters. Yes. Unbelievable. I love that thing and I want to make little 3D

Johns and bows and ewes based on that and Carter won't, Carter won't do anything. She won't help me. She won't create little, you know, those animator things where you have like front view, side view, so you get an idea of what they're shaped like. Yeah, she needs to help me.

She needs to get on it. She's in the chat right now. Carter? What's with the slacken? What's with all the slacken? She's like, oh, I'm sorry. I, uh, you know, I gotta go to Iceland. Screw you, Brian. I think is what she said. I haven't recorded somewhere. I think her and her friends are working on a plan for London or something. Oh, really? Oh, that's awesome. And by the way, Carter, I'm, you know, I'm 100% kidding. She didn't have time. She was getting ready to, uh, that was right before she'd love to go to Iceland. Exactly. There's, she had other things going on. And, yeah. Well, now you have no excuse. Get on it, girl. Although I'm mad at her because last night she was, we were, well, it's not her fault. I totally spaced it. But we were supposed to watch Brian and Charles again because I need her to see that movie.

And, uh, the robot, the dude is robot friend, right? The weird Northern England robot movie. I loved it so much and I was like, I have to watch it with her. And then I keep locking us in. And it was, why isn't 100% my fault? She, she, she, you can have 20% of that. You could have said that, aren't we supposed to watch us? And I go, oh, shoot.

Yeah. Okay. Let's go. But I forgot. So tonight. Carter, tonight's the night. If you, and you like that main actor that's in there, you need to watch Afterlife with Ricky Jervais.

Like put that next on your list. Even one 30 minutes, just watch the first 30 minute an episode. Oh, I thought he was only in, um, I didn't know he's in both that and Dexter, he's in, not Dexter, Derek, he's in Derek as well. He's in Derek as well, but he's, uh, I didn't know they collaborated more. That's cool. They, they did, yeah. And he's absolutely in, uh, in afterlife.

And he's, I don't remember him in Derek. I absolutely remember him in afterlife because he's such a creepy, memorable character. He's so weird. I love him. Yeah. All right. Here's a story about a man who invented a device that will allow him to kiss insects. Oh, sweet.

Okay. See how you feel about this. Have you ever wanted to kiss your favorite insect? Well, now you're able to do it. Do you have a favorite insect? Let's ask the question. Do you have one? Do I have a favorite insect?

Yeah. Of all the insects, what do you like, oh, that one is the... I like dragonflies a lot. I think dragonflies are freaking cool. That's a good answer. I like that, too. I like those big, bulky-looking beetles that have, like, horns on them. I don't know what they're called.

Horned beetles. Horned beetles. Is that what they're called? Isn't there a beetle called horn something? Stag beetles, I think, are also a porous. Okay. Yeah, they're big horny beetles, which is really only two of those left. get it uh-huh anyway uh i don't know that they're horny i have no idea what's going on

with wringo and paul they're still alive most of them still alive yeah they're well they're still round wringo is not going to sign anything you have to send with peace and love if you send me something for my signature i'm going to send it right back with peace and love peace and love to you why would he send it back just throw it away you know i think actually maybe he does that oh does he be discarded. Unceremoniously flushed down the loo. It'll be thrown in the bin. Yeah.

Ah, the bin. I love that you guys call the bin. The bin, I know. And like, bend, oh, it totally bend that. Like, I wish we to carry that over. What did you do with my magazine? Oh, I bend it. Yeah, I bend it.

It's for the bin now, you say. America, we effed up. We took a bunch of stuff from Britain, but we didn't keep the cool stuff. one of them was calling it a bin, you know? Garbage day is bin day over there. It's bin day. I love it. Yeah.

Binday sounds like something to wipe your butt. Anyway, moving on. All right. Anyway, yeah. Where was I? Oh, I'm on this story. Kissing insects. That's right.

So you have a favorite insect. Yeah, yeah. Mine is that horn beetle. No desire to kiss a dragonfly or any insect. Yeah. Yeah, but maybe the dragonfly wants to kiss you. Oh, maybe. Maybe that's why it lands on me.

Well, a company named Leg Boot makes weird and funny products. One of the products they produce is Dr. Odom's Bug Kiss, which has little lips for bugs-loving. Bug-loving. There's a picture of this. Bugs-loving. Let's look this up because this is a gnarly dude. There it is. So it's really stupid.

I mean, it's the most basic-looking idea, but you just put this thing in you. your mouth and on one end it covers your lips and then the other end's like a little tiny version of that like a little pair of lips and then you can aim that down and kiss kiss an insect with it okay you can buy this is a thing if you want to like a website legboot.com I'm on their side they've actually got a bunch of stuff that is pretty cool actually if I'd play this video we're going to see a guy kiss something let's see oh good is no here we go yeah there's a YouTube video. Oh, he did it.

It has an add-on, so if the lips are too big for its really small insect. And it comes with a little booklet to mark off what bugs you've kissed. Okay. Really? I feel like... Oh God, look at that. That is... I don't know what to make any of that.

That's wild. I feel like I've seen into the heart of darkness now. And I don't know how to get out. This is so bizarre. It's very weird. Oh, God. So go look it up. If you're interested, you know.

The related posts down below are, well, one of them is just absolutely frightening. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, maybe don't like it. Maybe never go there. That's going to do it for today's news. We're going to take a break when we come back. We've got some stuff with Bill, including a big question for Bill from Amy and some stuff with Bobby from another question from someone in Canada. Man, what's with the Canadians today?

You guys? So much, you know, we'll just have to give him the bird. Do you know that Rob or Jeff Seyers coming to Vegas? Yes, I saw that in his message. I can't wait. I'm so excited. Yeah, stoked to have him here for that. I mean, I'm excited to see everybody who's coming.

Don't get me wrong. No. But there's a few names where it's like, I haven't seen him in 100 years, you know? Yeah. Just get excited about it. I can't wait to hug that big old beast. He could beat me up if he wanted. He's great.

As Bill and Brittany said, if they're going to make it or none, I can't remember. Bill, yes. Bill's coming and bringing, oh wait, Bill and Brittany, sorry. I'm thinking to Bobby because I do that. I haven't heard, I don't know anything about Bill. I don't know if he's, I don't know, have we even mentioned it to Bill? We probably should mention it to Bill. We should probably mention it to Bill.

We just assume everybody who's on the show listens to the show and knows what's going on. Yeah, we're probably a bad assumption. Anyway, we're going to take that break. And when we come back, those people will be here. Before that, though, we need Brian to play us a little song here in the middle. Yeah, so I don't know. you've heard recently on the radio

but the Bono's son has a new band. Bono from Uto's son has a new band. It's really good. And there are times that it's like, oh my God, that sounds like Bono. And I'm trying to remember the name of it.

I'm trying to remember the name of the band, but it's really, really good. I hope it's called me also instead of YouTube. As opposed to YouTube. Yeah, yeah. That's what I want. Yeah. Probably not going to happen.

Now let's move over to another member of the band that Claire, I think, love so much because everybody when they find out she's from Ireland, they always ask her if she knows the members of you too. Another band called, or sorry, a performer named Levi Evans

and he is the son of the edge. He's the edge's son. Does he also wear a little skull cap hat thing? I don't know. I haven't seen a video of him singing, but... To cover his horrendous wound or whatever. Anyway, go ahead.

Yeah, it's a massive seeping head wound. This is Levi Evans and a brand new single that he's released called Faith. This is great. He's going to be touring the West Coast supporting Big Loud Rock Labelmates Yam House. So April 6 and 7, you can go see them. This is great stuff, and I hope you enjoy it. Here is Levi Evans and Faith.

We talk as if it's gracious On what you put on me A bed under a tree We spoke a sweet nothing Can't miss what's detrimental You know it to be true We're all a little mental Just look at us too

I found my faith In a garden far away With a pill so hard to take Both equally true I found my faith Don't seem so mundane Still it feels I chose my breath It's the only thing

It's keeping me from you Eyes wide shut It's somewhere to be You know it ain't cheap Just take it from me Oh, I've been there out on the sea No one to be Just take it from me

I found my faith In a garden far away With a pill so hard to take Oldly will be true I found my friend Though it seems so mundane Still it still it feels I chose my brain

It's the only thing It's keeping me from From you From you From you Around you Round you Brown to

round you Around to round you round you round you around you round you Wait, are you gaming on a Chromebook?

Yeah, it's got a high-res 120-hertz display, plus this killer RGB keyboard, and I can access thousands of games anytime, anywhere. Stop playing. What? Get out of here. Huh? Yeah, I want you to stop playing and get out of here, so I can game on that Chromebook. Got it.

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Tell me one more time about edges. son. Sure. That's Levi Evans in a song called Faith. And if you're doing a search online, good luck because you'll find a lot of Faith Evans. Oh, yeah. Just to what you know right now. Be careful.

But, yeah, if you go to Levi Evans official YouTube channel, which is just called Levi Evans, then you can see his music video for Faith. And you can see that the dude looks a lot like the Edge without the skull cap. Is the Edge last name, is his real name Evans? Yeah. Okay. Edge Evans. Edge short for Edgeworth.

Edgeworth Evans. Is it really? No. That's really not. I want it to be. That would be great. I can't remember the Edge's real name. I know that Bono is Paul Hewson.

I don't see. I didn't know that either. I didn't, man, not, not, I didn't know any. Well, of course these aren't their real names. What was I thinking? You know? Let's see. David Howell Evans.

Is the name of Edge. David Hal Evans my gosh what a boring ass name no wonder you changed it to yeah David Hal Evans oh and and I'm Paul Houston I don't know maybe we should uh change our names for our band Adam Clayton do you know I'm good I'm good you guys go on ahead yeah that's right he was just like the normal guy yeah Larry Mullen Jr I'm good I'm keeping it I'm even gonna keep the junior you guys go ahead and be silly names let's play we'll play dress up you guys could do whatever you want but that's wild keep it my name I don't No, I do that. Like, the internet has, everyone has a nickname.

I don't have one. Yeah. Not really. Like, I have it on nicknames. I choose for gaming and stuff, but I don't have one. You don't really have one, I guess. People call, I mean, I've been called Bibby, but not in an online presence, but people I've worked with, Hey, Bibby, how you doing, man?

Yeah, I guess that's true. And then Kathy Bates used that name in fried green tomatoes and everything. It just went to hell. It's all gone straight to shit. Straight to hell. Well, let's see if we can go straight to Seattle, Washington, right here, right? now. There's still something wrong, isn't there, Bill? Hey, look who it is. It's Bill Durand, joining us from PunishProps.com and the beautiful, wonderful Seattle area roundabouts. It's nice to have you back, man. How was your week? How are you doing? Hello. It's been a great week, productive and exciting. I thought about you a lot this week because I played both a handful of satisfactory hours as well as a more Dyson Sphere program. And every time I play a game like that, I just think of you, and I think of how organized and how well-run

your factories are, and how mine looks like a big bowl of spaghetti when I get it. That's how I play, and it's really embarrassing. I've been playing satisfactory lately, and I've been thinking about Bill. Yeah, that game's great. That game's great. I do wish, the one thing I wish that game let me do, and it's because I'm spoiled by Dyson Sphere, because Dyson Sphere has this, like, very quick, early game. where it doesn't feel like you're taking forever to get a couple of mineral or, you know, a couple of iron and go make a thing.

And satisfactory, it's like, no, you really got to work for those early bits. You got to like. Yeah, you have to use a screwdriver to chip away at a rock to get a couple hunks of iron. Yeah. I mean, I think it's ultimately satisfying, no pun intended, because everything else is worth it later. But it is a weird early game. Yeah, they make you crawl. They absolutely do.

It's good to have you here. I'm going to start things off today. by asking you a question that Amy has real fast. We got this via our text number 8014710462, and she asked the following, have you ever had any experience with melting down plastics or into styrene? If we had, say, a metric assload, a metric, sorry, metric, yeah, that's right, metric assload of plastic spoons and forks and wanted to reconstitute them,

what should we use and how do we make sure to keep ourselves safe while doing it, says Amy. Have you ever done that to, you know? So it depends on the plastic. If it is a thermo set, if it's a thermoplastic. Thermoplastic, yeah. It can be remelted. A friend of mine on Twitter was remelting 3D prints, PLA 3D prints into little reasonable cubes.

Yeah. So that's possible, but I don't know about like, I've seen people do that into pellets, too, like where they, you know, turn 3D prints grinding down into pellets and then turn them into new filament. I don't see, I haven't seen any non-DIY way to do that, though. Not a lot of people are doing things like that, but I guess it's possible. I don't know about a disposable fork or something, though. I don't know exactly what plastic that's made out of it.

Those tend to burn pretty caustically at camps and stuff. Like when you're camping and you put one in the fire, they're like black smoke. It's kind of awful. So I have to wonder if those are safe at all, whatever those are made of. Yeah. And also, though, like certain plastics, when you melt them, they change their structure and they just don't work as plastic anymore. Yeah, good point. So if somebody's melting down, if somebody's melting down their PLA extras, how do they spool them up?

Is that I assume there's probably a machine that'll spool it or melt it down and then put it in a spool? Because that's how you need it, right? What I've seen is people melting it down into stuff that's not meant to be re-3-printed, just into something. else. Got it. Or, like Brian said, put it into pellets. Yeah. But you would need a special piece of equipment to then reuse that again as filament.

And I haven't really seen that. Yeah. I'll tell you, somebody's going to make a lot of money when they make a PLA printer that's fast, high resolution, all the other things you want out of these these days, but also has like a little hole in the back where you feed broken stuff into or the struts you had to make. A little wood chipper. Yeah. And then it comes out in a new, like, oh, I've got reusable, whatever. And maybe you can only do it once. You can't recycle it every time or something.

I don't know what the answer will be. But there's a future in that. Someone's going to make a lot of money when they do that. I like the idea of just a little door, a little trap door. And if you don't like, throw it in there. You just push a, you pull a lever in the trap door up. Yeah, it looks like a little tarlack pit or something. Yeah.

Pretty good. Well, anyway, it's good to have you here. We're going to talk about making stuff. stuff because that's what Bill does. And it inspires us and you at home, hopefully, to make more cool things. Bill, what are we looking at this week? We have a new video out over on our YouTube channel and our website, PunishProves.com. And it's a doozy.

It's nearly an hour long. We've been working on it for a while. Quite proud of it. We made one of the butterflies that Jinks uses in Arcane. I believe in the context of the show, they are called Firelights. but they look like butterflies. Sure. And I wanted to make mine out of brass

because I wanted to learn how to do that. So I've spent a few months on this. We use a few different sort of shapes of brass stock. We got these telescoping tubes. So they're tubes where each one is just slightly smaller than the necks and they nest into one another. I use those on things like the legs and the wings. I used some flat plates of brass, so the wings are made out of that.

It's about 0.8 millimeters thick, the brass on those wings. It's very thin. And I used a rectangular bar of brass to make the body and the head. And this is the first time you've messed with brass? It really is, yeah. That's my first real attempt here. Is brass, okay, so that brings my question. Is brass, the properties of brass?

Like, what do you have, is there, like, stuff you have to do to me? Is it soft, softer metal, easier to pliable work with like that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, compared to, like, steel is actually quite soft. It's pretty similar to brass. You can use a lot of your woodworking tools. I'm sorry, similar to aluminum. You can use a lot of woodworking tools on them.

For me, mostly it was the CNC machine. And I have a Shea Poco, which is like a hobby level one, and it worked pretty well. You just have to be a little conservative. when you're cutting things like metal. Yeah. You can hand work brass really well, like with files and stuff for shaping it or bending it. So if you're looking to get into metal,

working with metal, brass is a great place to start. It's not, you don't need a crazy amount of tools. You can buy a bunch of, I'm just looking here, you've got a bunch of like different dowel diameters and they fit inside of each other. That's cool. Look at that. Yeah, that's a telescoping, too,

So if you look that up, like telescoping brass tube, KNS makes these ones. I'm sure other companies make them. But they make them specifically for this purpose because they fit exactly into the previous one. There are a lot of reasons why you want to do that, both aesthetically, but also if you're making pistons and stuff or things for like hobby planes, you would use those telescoping tubes. Oh, wow. Look at that. Okay.

That's awesome. When I was a kid, I thought brass was super, I thought it was cooler than gold or silver or any of that stuff. and I think it was because it was everywhere when I was really young, it was popular like as a thing you'd have in your house, you'd have a lot of brass, you know, stuff. But then something happened.

It's like people thought it was cheesy or something happened there. And I feel like for like 20 years, brass was on the outs. Are you going to single-handedly bring brass back into the mainstream? I think other people have been doing good work as well.

So I know a lot of woodworkers will like to use brass along with wood like walnut. Walnut and brass is a very common combination. Yeah. But also just the application. I think a lot of I'm looking at this

lamp in my dining room here and it's got some faux brass looking pictures on it that are tacky A. F, as the kids would say. And it looks hideous, right? Yeah. But if you're using

brass in a more selective way you can make some really really elegant stuff nice nice we ended up using a lot of C and C on this guy I used a lot of learning to cut out all the parts that's the part I think I was the most excited about learning really getting into getting the repetition

and to learn that C&C machine a lot better yeah oh my gosh this looks so it looks like you're almost doing watch parts is so tiny oh isn't it great we have this um 60 millimeter macro lens that we use, the Panasonic. Oh, you can also see cat hairs just everywhere in this video, because we're so tight. There's cat fur just everywhere. Yeah, it's, I'm allergic now, just looking at it.

Mm-hmm. That's how much good. Did you, so this stuff, can you describe the stuff you're using to create the seals? It's almost like a liquid, and then when you heat it up, it becomes, what, bonded to the metal? How does that work? Yep, so that's silver soldering. The goo, the white goo, is a flux. Flux prevents oxygen from getting in there,

oxidation and everything. Yeah, yeah. And then you hit it with a torch that melts the silver solder and the two pieces of brass get bonded fairly permanently. This stuff is really, really robust. So how does the brass not, I guess silver melts at a temperature lower than brass does? Right, yeah, the silver solder melts a little lower. Okay.

Interesting. Wow. This looks so hard. It was tedious. tedious is the right word not hard but tedious there you go tedium did you are you happy with the results you think things turned out good yes i am overjoyed um the the butterfly lights up we put an LED in its butt and the way it's powered the batteries are in the base so its rear legs are actually the contacts for the LED and when it's set down on its base it lights up that's awesome and it has been

the nightlight in my bathroom um all weekend long oh that's great and it'll only be like 30 days till it's completely buried in cat hair. So you got a lot of time. That's really great. You guys go check it out. It's, of course, at punish props.com and the YouTube channel, and it looks amazing. If you're a fire, or if you're a firefly, sorry. If you're a, what's the name of the show?

Gosh, dang it, Arcane fan. Then no-brainer. Get over there and check that out. Bill, do you have a little bonus something today? Sure do. Also, at the end of our video there is about a minute and a half of blooper. So enjoy that, everyone. Oh, love those.

My favorite parts. This video I'm sharing is for my friend David Petuto over at Make Something. He took a table from Goodwill and did a restoration on it, completely changed it up. And then he brought it back to Goodwill. That is a great idea. Oh, that is a great idea. So he basically gave someone an upgrade. They're never going to know what they got.

Absolutely, yeah. It's this really tacky-looking, like, 80s-style. I totally had a table like this with the in-laid. Oh, yeah. And if you go to Goodwill right now, you can probably get one yourself. When we were in wood shop, we made things like that with the inlaid wood and the glue. That's how my brother made that horrible chess set that had an extra row. It wasn't supposed to have.

Eight by nine, or was it nine by nine? It was something, no, it was like, what is it normally? Eight by eight? Eight by eight. Yeah, so it was eight. So it would be 10 by 8, right then, because you had an extra row on each side, basically. Yeah, so it ended up being, and that's where I learned chess. Oh, my gosh, it's so stupid.

I could still be 8 by 9. Yeah, anyway. Whatever it was, it was too long on one side. And so it wasn't square. And so when I played chess with a whole different set of rules, I had a whole other space to go because of my dumb brother's mistake. But anyway. Oh, I love that new top that he put over the parquet, the regular parquet top. it's really good

oh that's cool yeah go check that out you guys very rad stuff uh bill always a pleasure hope you're doing well up there and uh look forward to doing this again next week uh punish props.com everybody chin beard on Twitter

mm-hmm we'll see you next time to do loo bye oh we should have asked him about Vegas off you again ah we'll do it off air it's fine uh Bill if you're still listening let us know off air if you're coming to Vegas we'd love to see you

yeah no no pressure or stress but we just, we're dumb about this sort of thing. Jeez. Yes, we... Who are we adding now? Bobby is who we're adding now. Writing Bobby. Yeah.

We got a little Bobby in coming. I just put on Bill's video recommendation onto our... Oh, very nice. KTMS.org. Yep, go there now. There's still something wrong, isn't there, Bill? No, wrong one. I did Bill again.

Hold on. Here's Bobby's. I got a new Bobby one. Here we go. Science. Bob is hungry and the soup looks good. I agree. It does look good.

Bobby, the soup looks good and so do you. It's Bobby Frankenberger, aka the, I don't have a good name for you. You're just who you are. You're just Bobby. Okay, Bill, apparently. I'd call you a Bill, yeah. A.k.a. Bill. He's joining us today.

Bob and Bill, they're just too close to each other, I guess. I don't know. It throws me off. Yeah. You're only seconds apart on this show. That's right. He's our science expert, our guy that comes in and talks about the hot science of the day. He also has a great science podcast, which we'll talk about later.

Bobby, welcome back, and what do you got going? What's going on, man? Not a lot. I got a, so recently my younger daughter's, it was my younger daughter's birthday, and she got an ant farm. Oh, fun. Fun. And, you know, they make ant farms nowadays, it's not got dirt and sand in it.

They put this, like, clear or semi-translucent gel in it. Oh, yes. Tristan had that. It looks like toothpaste. It's like... Yeah, and the light will shine through it, and you can see the tunnels that are burrowing. Do the ants like that, okay? They don't mind it.

Yeah, apparently they don't mind. I mean, they are digging through this. But apparently what's cool about it is it's food as well as, like, substrate they can dig through. So you don't have to do anything. You just dump the ants in, and they're fine. And they don't like... But they don't pile it, like, obviously, because they're eating it, they don't pile it up like you usually see with sand around the holes of an ant farm, right?

You just, like, they just consume it as big. They pile it up a bit. You do get to see some of that, but it's not as much. You're right. They are eating some of it. Weird. Anyway, the reason I bring that up is because I was thinking about insects. Like, you look at those little insects, and you can kind of see, like, when you look at an insect colony,

it seems very directed and smart, but when you look at an individual, ant, like, I watch one of those individual ants, and it's very clear that that ant is dumb. Yeah. Right? Like, they don't have, they're just pre-programmed to do a thing. Like, it'll, I watch one of these ants, it'll pick up either a little piece of this substrator or, like, another ant's head that died. And it'll just walk back and forth for like. Yeah, it doesn't care what it is.

Its job is to grab the thing, whatever that thing is, and then take it back. until it runs into whatever stimuli causes it to drop it and go do something else, right? Yeah. So that's kind of how we think about insects as these pre-programmed dumb things that just aren't smart, right? Yeah. But there's some research that has been published. There's these two different groups of researchers that have found evidence of social learning in bees. Ooh, bees.

I like bees. Yeah, bees are awesome. but social learning and possibly even evidence of culture inside bees and their in their fives. It's funny you bring this up today. I just saw, I think I may have even retweeted it. I saw a video of some bees or a hornet got into a bees nest. Everything ignored it. Yeah.

Until it ate one of the bees. So it walked up and went ham-nom-nom-nam-nam and ate this bee. And then the bees dog piled or bee piled this hornet. it like you've I've never seen anything quite like it was the most brutal freaking reaction and they all did it at once it was like the queen went two arms or something and all these bees just went in a huge pile and devoured that freaking that freaking they were willing to give that wasp a chance you know yeah they were gonna you know they were gonna you know they were gonna you know don't if he doesn't bug us we don't bug him but no he ate one of the b a dorman or

whatever like a it's like a walmart greeter version of a bee and the rest of the to the Walmart bees went, no, F that, and they killed him. They're not going to tolerate that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, they've got, bees have got a little bit more going on up in the cranium, seems like. Yeah, so apparently, because this research shows it. So the first thing, I said there were two groups of researchers. The first group looked at problem solving in bees.

There's actually been past research, I think it was published last year, or maybe just early this year, that showed that bees can learn to solve puzzles, which was really cool. that was never it was not known before that that was possible what they did was they had these wooden balls that that they would uh put around the bees i guess and then they would the bees would could push the they would learn to push the wooden balls into these like depressions or holes yeah um in order to earn a sugary solution which is what they eat right yeah gotcha um so like nectar uh and uh and so the the bees would learn how to do that. That was the past research. So these researchers wanted to take that a little bit

further. And then they became pre-cogs and they could predict murders and stuff like a minority report. Well, that's what they do is it goes through the little track and down the little bees are like pushing it. It's a murder. Oh, no. Murder. Oh, crap. Exactly. And then they tracked down and kill the wasp. Okay. That's how works. Okay. They saw it before it happened. I see. Yeah, exactly. And they were just waiting. It's the law. You can't, you know, you saw the movie. You have to wait until the crime happens. Right, you can't, right, yeah. Well, that's what they, anyway, we're not, just watch the movie.

Watch the movie. Get in there. So this new research, they wanted to take it a step further. They demonstrated the same thing, but it was a different puzzle. And what they had was this small container of nectar, of sugary solution, with either a red tab on the top or a blue tab. And the bees had to learn that if it had a red tab, they needed to turn that tab. clockwise to open it and if it was a blue tab they needed to turn it counterclockwise so I mean it's a simple

puzzle right but it's still still I mean for a bee yeah yeah that's crazy so the bees would easily learn to solve it reliably and this is the next step that they took is they would then put that same puzzle into a group of bees and with

the puzzle they would put one of the bees that had already learned how to do it oh cool to see if you would teach all of his buddies and so they found, exactly, they found that the other bees that were put in a situation

where they had, they called it a demonstrator bee that would demonstrate how it's done. Sure. Those bees learned much more quickly how to solve that puzzle. It's almost like a hive mind. Yeah, like a hive mind.

But also it's like a little bee TED Talk or something. They all had to learn. Exactly, exactly. He had like a little bee earpiece on and love it. Exactly. Love it. But that's amazing. So that says that it's not just like stimulus. We were just talking about it. It's just stimulus response, right? Like you bump into another aunt's head. It looks like a piece of food, so you'd pick it up. But that's not what this is happening here. This is clearly a bee was doing it. And the bees were watching that bee do it and learning from that.

Interesting. Yeah. That's crazy. I didn't, I mean, I don't know. I like to think that. Do you think that indicates anything about how they may have, they could yet evolve, meaning, you know, probably not in their lifetime, but... Living things don't stop evolving at all. So, yeah, it could, sure, go in a direction. That requires, you know, is there going to be some sort of an advantage to this? I would think so. I mean, there's got to be a huge... Bees are social creatures.

They live in groups, so you would think that there has to be a big... advantage to being able to learn quickly different behaviors. And maybe that's what leads to this next thing that I was talking about. Remember, I mentioned culture. So culture, like, operationally defined, you might think, is like a social learning that is being passed on to other groups, but also down through generation. Right. right um so you're passing you're learning socially but you're also passing that on down to from generation to generation that could be an operational definition of culture right so they found

this in honey bees honey bees um famously have this a dance that they do they like they've the wiggle dance yeah the waggle dance the wiggle or waggle dance yeah and that the what they do is that whenever a bee finds pollen or nectar actually the bees are are just collecting pollen by virtue of being around the flower. But they're looking for the nectar. So when bees find nectar, they go back to the hive and they communicate that to other bees by doing this dance. And the dance is pretty interesting. It's complicated.

It has different dimensions for how they can tell other bees which direction to go, how far to go, all this kind of stuff. It's like, you turn right, and then waggle, oh, okay, 10 feet, all right, and then waggle, oh, go another 10 feet, and then turn right. And it is just like. that it's like the direction of the figure eight because it's in a figure eight and everything it's very cool um and so what they found is in hives of bees what will happen is the way bees learn that dance and this is what the paper is about that they were able to show the ways bees learn is at about eight days old a new bee will start to shadow an experienced dancer a newbie yeah a newbie yeah i love puns have i ever told you how much i love puns oh yeah Yes, we know you love puns. I mean, puns are fun. I like puns. They're great.

So at eight days old, the bee will start to shadow an experienced bee dancer and learn from that bee. And at 12 days old, that bee will start to dance on their own. And they will mimic, their dance will be the same as the dance of the bee that they shadowed. And then they pass that on to another generation and so on and so forth. And interestingly, this development. different styles that bees have or what they're what they call dialects

because it's a form of communication, right? Right. And so not only can individual bees have their own style or dialect, they were able to show that on the colony level or the whole hive level, there are distinct dialects

between hives, different types of dances. They all are communicating the same thing, but in slightly different ways. And so this can be, from our operational definition of culture, this can be thought of as a culture, right? Interesting. A bee culture. That's a simple culture, but a culture nonetheless.

Right. I mean, it's generational learning that is being passed on. And that's just, it's not, the point again is that it's not simple stimulus response like, like was previously thought. This is social learning. It's actually being demonstrated from one B to the next. Wow, that's crazy. So you ever done the thing? This is for, it takes back to ants, I guess.

Maybe it works with bees, but I saw it on some video, so I thought I'd try it. If you get an ant on a piece of paper and you draw with just a ballpoint pen, just like a big pen or whatever, you draw a path or some walls, he won't go past them. It's that whole chemical thing. I've seen that with ladybugs. Maybe you're talking about ladybugs. I thought it was an ant. Well, I did it with an ant and it worked. But it was a Sharpie, and that may have helped because it was stinky, you know, because Sharpies kind of reek a little bit.

So maybe that, you know, the chemical reaction is stronger or something. But they would see, they'd get up next to it and go, oh, shit, and move the other way. Oh, shit, can't go there. So I'd create like a little path and he could only go through the path and he just followed through the little two lane path where I wanted him to go, which I thought was pretty wild. Yeah. Nothing doesn't really tie in the bee culture. I have seen that, like I said, with a ladybug. I've never tried it myself.

Yeah. Well, try it with a man bug next time. And he's just going to tell you, F off off. well yeah uh well that's fascinating before he gets to the sharpie and asks for directions that's right yeah the ladybug always stops an ass the man bug's like f you i'm not talking i'm not stopping for nobody i'm not lost everything's fine if i follow this table whatever that's just the way life was meant to be uh bobby fascinating stuff as always i always love hearing about this stuff and uh there'll be more uh great science content coming up on uh this week in science

Nope, that's not the name of it. It's all around science. All around science. Tell me about the show and what you guys are talking about this week. The show is all around science like you finally got to. And we talk about science every week. We talk about what's in the news and just what we find interesting. The episode that came out yesterday, we talked about it was inspired by what I talked to you guys about recently, which is speed reading. All right.

We ended up breaking this up. into we recorded the whole thing but we ended up breaking it up into two parts and the first part came out yesterday where we just talked about the science of reading interesting and just how our brains learned to read why we learned to read an interesting thing called the the reading paradox which is that our brains evolved in the state that they are now a hundred thousand years ago but we only but we only learned to read about six thousand years ago but there's distinct places in the brain that process language in its reading form and written form. So it's just an interesting why is that and how, what parts of your brain are you using and why and stuff like that? So we talk all about that. Sounds fascinating. All around science. Yeah, go check it out.

Wherever you get your podcast. It's Bobby Frankenberger. Have a fantastic week and go fly a plane. You do. Bye now. All right. Let's see if we can cross my fingers. I'm going to close this.

Oh, God. I'm worried. I think they solved it. Oh, because we haven't had a problem for weeks. I think we're good. Never knew, though, for sure. All right, before we get out of here, a quick note, Play Retro got moved again,

and actually we're going to make this permanent. It's starting to be that Tuesdays are hard for both Brian and I. Things keep kind of coming up, and we're bumping to Wednesdays a lot. So we decided, hey, why do we do that? Let's just make it Wednesdays. So it's a busy day for me because I'm on DT&S right before, but we're going to do Play Retro tomorrow at 30 p.m. And from then on, Wednesdays, unless otherwise told,

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I have at 11 well it's not stupid look I have a secret to tell you oh uh there's another game called factorial that's a lot like satisfactory but it's top down oh yeah I've heard about this yeah plays on the Mac real well and it's a perfect thing to play say, wow, boring people on a Zoom call. You know what I mean? Like, you know those calls where you have very little to do with what's happening, but you still need to be there? I'm just going to throw it out there that,

Factorio, beautiful way to spend your time. Is that on Steam? It is on Steam. It's a great game. You'd love it. It's very much, it's basically satisfactory, but what if the camera was up here? Oh, see, I like that.

Yeah, you control it more like an RTS sort of thing, but it's the same kind of game. That is the one, I mean, I love satisfactory, but as the only complaint I have is like, oh, all right, oh, too close to the... Yeah, there's a lot, especially when you're putting down buildings. It's like, oh, shit, it's right in my face. I've got to put it over here.

Yeah, so if you like that game, but you want to have a little bit more of a godlike view, that and Dyson's Fear are both excellent, really good. Cool. All right. That'll do it for us. Hey, Brian, I need you to play a song, if you don't mind. Yes, sir.

Yes. Another sad one here. sad, another sad dedication. This one coming out to Tinak, who says, today marks one year since the passing of one of my best friends to cancer. We went through many choirs together, and he had this amazing bass voice. I was imagining walking through the wide open fields of gold, and it gives me some solace. Love you, Jacko. You are surely missed more than you could imagine, signed Tinak. Promise tomorrow, by the way, is a birthday request. Another sad one

We can't have so many sad ones in a row All right, so this is Fields of Gold Of course, the song originally done by Sting This one covered by The Idea of North From their album Ballads from 2016 I may have played this one on the show before I can't remember but it is really, really good Here is the idea of North and Fields of Gold

That'll do it for us. Thank you all for being here. We'll see you tomorrow. Oh, ooh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. You know

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wind moves Among the fields of barley You forget the sun In his jealous sky As we walk in fields of gold So she took her love For the gaze a while Upon the fields of barley

In his arms she fell As her hair came down among the fields of gold. Will you stay with me? Will you be my love? Among the fields of Bali? You'll forget the sun in as jealous sky as we lie in fields of gold.

See the West wind Like a love a love her soul Among the fields of barley Feel her body rise When you kiss her mouth Among the fields of gold I never made promises lightly And there have been some that I've broke

I swear in a day still left We'll walk in fields of gold We'll walk in fields of gold ...that... ...me... ...me... ...no da da-da-da-a-da-a-a-haea-da-ha-ya-da... Years have passed since those summer days

Among the fields of Bali See the children run As the sun goes down Among the fields of gold You remember me When the west wind Among the fields of Bali You can tell the sun

In his jealous sky When we walked in fields of gold When we walked in fields of gold When we walk in fields of gold When we walk in fields of gold. frogpants.com. Is it a human bone gramps? Might be, boy.

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