The Morning Stream - TMS 2445: Stray Chicklet

Episode Date: March 30, 2023

Brian Eat, Craps, and Leaves Vegas. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. The FULL Irish. Monkey see. Monkey can't be bothered to do. Mr Dot McGoo. Microsoft Bingos 95. I am Grogr...oot. Gym Bros, Working Out Everything But Their Issues. What is this horse doing here and why is it named Charlie? What about the old guy with the bowl of Kix? Judge a Breakfast Place by Its Pancakes. THAT'S the Queen song you go to? 1 Tooth, 2 Tooth, Red Tooth, Blue Tooth compatible. Jack Glasscock and the Charlie Horse. Chore Core: The Novelization with Amy. Rubbing Butter on it with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Coming up on TMS, Brian eats, craps, and leaves Vegas. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong. The foul Irish! Monkey C, monkey can't be bothered to do. Mr. Dot Magoo. Microsoft bingoes 95. I am grogroot. Jim bros working out everything but their issues.
Starting point is 00:00:20 What is this horse doing here, and why is it named Charlie? What about the old guy with a bowl of kicks? Judge a breakfast place by its pancakes. That's the queen's song you go to? One-tooth, two-tooth, red-tooth, Bluetooth compatible. Jack Glasscock and the Charlie Horse. Chorque Horror, the novelization with Amy. Rubbing better on it with Wendy and more on this episode of the Morning Stream.
Starting point is 00:00:42 We'll put a peanut on one end of the string and a stick on the other. We'll hang the two ends through a wire screen. This time, Squeak has to do more than pull the string. He has to pull the right end. Will he find the end with the nut? Hmm. There must be something to eat around here something. place. Let's put another peanut on the string. Ask about horses again. I'll slap you red.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Welcome to TMS. It's Thursday, March 30th, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson. He's Brian Ibitt. Hello. I am. Just wrapping up a wonderful three-snees sneezing fit that I had just as that music was kicking it. Wow. Geez, those are... I'm not on camera because I kind of sneeze like Freddie Mercury live-aid, like basically. Achoo! You know, with my hand straight up, the other hand covering my mouth. Yeah. to live forever that kind of thing you're just ready to rock exactly yes that's the that's the queen song you go to that i love that song i think that is it's a good song but uh even though it's written
Starting point is 00:02:10 for a freaking highlander yeah i love it it's one of my favorites uh does does mercury do all the vocals in that or does he share vocals with it feels like uh oh i don't know there might be parts in there with brian mason maybe not maybe he's going i'm as astrophysicist with a degree. There's no time for us. I think that song is great. I'm not merging TV's Travis. Listen, I'm just saying it's a movie.
Starting point is 00:02:42 Usually when something's written for a movie, we take it slightly less seriously than we do something that was written, you know, just for an album. And Brian knows all the lyrics. Well, love must die. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there it is. It's really good.
Starting point is 00:02:58 You won't hear me say this about Flash Gordon. I don't like that song. I think it's annoying. So, you know, it doesn't work every time for me. Oh, that whole soundtrack is cheeseball. I mean, you know, you do get Brian May doing the wedding march. I wonder if anybody has ever used the Brian May guitar heavy instrumental of the wedding march for their actual wedding. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Somebody's somewhere. Somebody has to. Is it the wedding? Yeah, it is the wedding. with like hardcore queen queen addiction they love the queen you know yeah they're like uh we're getting married what do you want to do
Starting point is 00:03:36 let's make it queen themed exactly have like a freddie mercury cake with a big tooth hanging out of it i i could see oh jeez he had two you know he had two big friend teeth sure it's not like he was yeah you'd only have to make the cake with one though why i don't know it's a little fondant tooth
Starting point is 00:03:52 sticking out of there why not if you're gonna do one do two all right you're otherwise otherwise it's like uh like a white trash trailer tooth kind of, hey, welcome to my wedding cake. Yeah, I kind of like that too, though, for some reason. I feel like I... Shotgun sticking out of one part and a single tooth sticking out of the top. That's right.
Starting point is 00:04:11 I would visit your wedding. I would go to that wedding. I would leave a gift. I would have a real hoot-nanny. I'd eat whatever snacks you got there at your wedding. I'd go to your redneck wedding. I would. I would totally go there.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Besides, one tooth sticking out of it just looks like somebody dropped a straight chicklet. somewhere near the wedding cake if you have two at least it's like oh that looks intentional i guess those are teeth yeah the chances of two chicklets getting tossed in there low low chains well anyway you're back how'd things go how was your uh your rest of your trip second day um yeah i gave back a little bit of the money i felt bad so i gave back a little bit of the money that i won on tuesday from various craps and slots and stuff like that i played i did play a little bit i had some really good luck played in the area that is the I think it's called the Brian Christopher
Starting point is 00:05:00 non-smoking slot zone or something like that I don't know who this guy is I want to say he's another podcaster that somehow got to be friends with the plaza folks a lot
Starting point is 00:05:16 sooner than yeah there it is Brian Christopher slots a lot sooner than we did otherwise I think it would have been us we could have We could have easily tucked them into the TMS slot zone. Oh, I guess he's a YouTuber. There we go.
Starting point is 00:05:35 He basically does YouTube videos of him playing slots. And it's funny. It's like, I landed the impossibly hard to get bonus for a comeback like it took some skill. Yeah, I don't know why those things are really popular, especially those streams. I don't know why that's popular. I mean, I get why people like slots. I get it. There's this game of chance. You might win. You win. Ding, ding, ding, ding. It's great. But I don't understand the, like, watching somebody do it is like watching rainfall and waiting for the rain to hit the penny you left out there. It is, but I'd say it's also, I mean, it's akin to watching unboxing videos. You're watching somebody else do a fun thing that you yourself are not really experiencing.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Yeah, I guess so. I could see it. And obviously there's popular, you know, he's popular for doing it. Somebody play video games really isn't a whole lot different. Obviously, there's more, there's actual skill involved with the video games. But again, you're just still watching something rather than doing it yourself. So why him and not some other guy? What's what makes him show? Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:06:42 I don't know. But anyway, he's got this whole zone. So I played in his zone for a little while, his little area of the casino. And I guess they're building more of that out with that whole front entrance. addition with pink box and carousel bar and stuff like that. Right. And you said yesterday the steak place is staying, right? Oscars.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Yeah, yeah. Oscars is still staying. They're just redoing a little bit of the outside of that dome. Because the dome that sits out in front of plaza, I mean, it is a, it's a landmark. It's kind of like the Bellagio Fountains or the Eiffel Tower in front of Paris. It's something that makes the plaza entrance unique. and so they're definitely keeping it. They're just going to put the carousel bar directly.
Starting point is 00:07:26 It'll follow that same circle on the ground and be like a little bar. And I was looking at the concept photos. I don't think the bar at, I don't think the seating area is going to spin, but I think it's possible that the area in the middle might spin. We'll have to see. Nice. And do you think they ever get rid of a guy who's out there with this bowl of, it looks like kicks, but it's gold, a little gold digger guy that's like across the street
Starting point is 00:07:51 from the plaza. Do you know the one I'm talking about, the big sign? That's like way further down. Is it? Above a gift shop. Yeah, that's like the, you're talking about the old-timer, minor guy with a... Yeah, I thought he was right across the street. I thought I could see him from my window last time, no?
Starting point is 00:08:07 I, if it's the guy I'm thinking of, he's way further down, which... But maybe there's something that you're saying that I'm missing. I'm thinking of one thing, you're thinking of another, but like a big three-dimensional sculpture of a dude. an old minor dude squatting down with a With a pan full of gold Like a bowl of kicks I always notice it every time I'm there
Starting point is 00:08:27 I thought that was right across the street Maybe it's further in Who knows? We'll have to see We'll have to see when we go back down there Must be further in yeah Yeah But anyway it's just the reason I ask
Starting point is 00:08:38 Is that thing is a I like old timey Vegas stuff That thing's an eyesore and was never cool ever Ever Right it was never Yeah exactly The whole you know That whole
Starting point is 00:08:50 casino thing where they had they really tried to connect it to the gold rush and mining and getting gold that way versus just like Vegas Vic or or is it Vicky
Starting point is 00:09:05 with the one that the sculpture that we're sitting on on our coasters is Vegas Vicky I'm trying to think of what the name of the cowboy dude who's like hey come up in here Is he doing the thing with his hat? I think he is or something like that. He's gesturing is that guy's name
Starting point is 00:09:22 I thought it was Vegas Vic but I'm obviously thinking of Vegas Vicky. Unless they, I mean, that would be a creative naming convention to give him Vic and Vicky but I don't know. I don't know his name. Yeah. Cowboy B-B-B-B-B-Bop.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Just guy downtown. Guy with a hat. I have no idea. Cowboy of the B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-M-T. Mr. McGoo, yes. I like the, they typoed Mr. Magoo in the chat and it came up as Mr. Dot McGoo like it's a domain.
Starting point is 00:09:48 I would buy Mr. Dotmagu. I'd love, yeah, any domain with the ending, dot Magoo. Coverville. I got some stupid domains, why not add that to the pile? That'd be great. Well, anyway, whatever that guy's name is. That was, yeah, it looks like it is Vegas, this says Vegas Vic. Okay, so they're playing off the name, that's fun.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Yeah, so Vegas Vicky and Vegas Vic. Also, I got to hang out for a little bit with Mizzula. Yeah, Mike Rula. We went to a really good restaurant called Seventh and Carson. And it's, it basically is caddy corner from the back of the container park to give you an idea about where it is. Sure, sure. Is it, which side of, which side of the giant flaming bug, robotic bug? It's southwest of the big, the big grass, or cricket or the cage.
Starting point is 00:10:47 did that shoots fire. I guess it's a praying mantis that shoots fire. Praying mantis, yeah, that's why it is. Yeah, but it's, uh, yeah, it's not even on that corner. Like when you're at the entrance of the container park, you don't see it. It's, it's along the south, um, west side of the container park. Caddy corner from a place called eat, if you're familiar with eat, which is also a really good place for breakfast.
Starting point is 00:11:10 Uh, sadly, only going to be open Monday morning. Uh, no, yeah, Monday morning. They're only open Thursday through Monday. The Tuesday and Wednesday morning you got to, you can't, you can't go there. But Seventh and Carson, man, they had the full Irish breakfast, which I had. They had a breakfast pizza, which is what Madzula had, but they also had the kimchi chicken and waffles with like a kimchi syrup, maple kimchi syrup. What the heck? That sounds amazing.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Yeah. You got the, oh yeah, look at this Irish breakfast. Holy Lord. It is, it was the full Irish. I mean, it was the horrible baked beans. I like baked beans, but for whatever, these were a little, maybe they were true Irish baked beans. They were really dry.
Starting point is 00:11:56 A little too authentic for a little too authentic, but it did come with black and white pudding. Traditional bacon, so like the back bacon like Zoe's familiar with, as opposed to the crispy strips that we're familiar with. Eggs, salad, mushroom sauteed mushrooms tomatoes uh toast for whatever reason i would eat it all everything you said i would eat it was really really good oh man the chicken waffles so i'm looking at the chicken waffles spicy chicken tenders with kimchi waffle and uh gochu jeng yeah go shi jeng yeah is syrup
Starting point is 00:12:35 and pickles weird yes we saw a lot of people order it it is it is clearly one of their popular um popular entrees isn't the deal is that you you judge a breakfast place on its pancakes how'd they do in that regard is you don't have them no no didn't do pancakes but that is that is it's like uh for chinese restaurants i judge their uh sesame chicken for breakfast places i judge them by their pancakes but i saw the full irish and i said all right that's what i've got to get
Starting point is 00:13:05 yeah why not and the french toast you know at bacon nation we talked about a little bit yesterday. I want to go back and try more stuff at Bacon Nation. That French toast, I guess I did talk about it. It was good, but not great. Just too sweet. It was all too sweet. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:21 You mentioned that. It seemed like it was, just looking at it, it looked like a freaking sugar bomb, that thing. Yeah. I noticed also, so Brian put up a picture here at his chat of him playing bingo. Yes. It reminds me, the color scheme is like Windows 95 or maybe Windows 3-1. that round definitely was right that that bright yellow blue yeah exactly looking like it's really just an excuse for me to do the photo bomb face because all of the other that's one round where you only get one card for each packet you buy so i obviously had three packets and three cards the rest of the time you're looking at uh six cards or 12 cards depending on how how what you know uh touchscreen buttons you touch to see but it still always sorts everything by which card is the close
Starting point is 00:14:10 to winning. Man, I had a couple wonaways, but it's actually just more fun people watching that place, because there is like here's the group of younger people who are like, oh yeah, we're going to kind of make noise, and one person just screamed bingo
Starting point is 00:14:26 when they got it, which I think caused four heart attacks among the other demographic that you see a lot there, which is the blue hairs that you think are probably there, every day all five sessions a day so there is some there is something to the stereotype that old
Starting point is 00:14:45 people like bingo isn't there absolutely is and those are the people that bring five different daubbers you know one for each color so that they can color the sheet with the the complimentary color daubbers and stuff like that i you know hey like i like i do like the physical bobbing a bingo card but i like a dober and dauber's good yeah but this this actually worked well, because then for my two free drinks, I actually got two Bloody Marys. And I kind of almost not really napped, because obviously I still need to look at my cards to be able to yell bingo if I get it. But, yeah, I mean, you know, here's the deal.
Starting point is 00:15:23 I go to Vegas. I always try and do something new, try and do something I haven't done before. Go to a new restaurant. Try a new table game that I've ever played before and do that sort of thing. I'll probably never play bingo at the plaza again, unless there's a little. a big group are like hey we're all going to the two o'clock bingo you want to go but uh yeah i did it tried it got the t-shirt and done with it yeah you never it's one of those things where you can now speak to it but you never have to do it exactly yeah well speaking of speaking to things
Starting point is 00:15:56 we got an email from a listener from savanna georgia uh this is corinna georgia it's a question for you or comment toward you i guess okay this is good morning scoot and bud i was listening to episode 24 42 of TMS on March 27, 2023, and I had to say, I've never disagreed with Brian's opinion more. Oh, gasped. Oh, no, you're obviously not trying hard enough. Yeah, you've got to try a little harder. The intro to Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is probably the only time in my over 30 years on this earth that a two minute into a starting movie that I turned it off and walked away due to the cringe factor.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Baby Groot felt like an executive watched the Minions movie, did a line of Coke, and then told the marketing team we need to be like that exclamation points it immediately felt like the children's advertisement for all the merchandise and funco pops that would be sold ad nauseum in the coming years it took me over a year to come back and force myself through that intro to watch the movie that i ended up really enjoying uh show the fro yo corey well corey hmm interesting take brian it seems to be antithetical to your love of that scene listen uh i'm i'd obviously disagree but you're opinion is opinions are one of the few things that we can own in this world and so absolutely uh you're you're absolutely entitled to years and and it's one of those things where i say all right more for me
Starting point is 00:17:19 yeah you know if you're not going to finish that i'll finish it for you yeah um i don't know you know my my love for electric light orchestra obviously helps a lot um but i'm not going to say i'm not going to tell corey like ah you're wrong you're totally wrong well that brings up a good point. If that was like some country hit, modern country hit, would you have been less inclined to enjoy the scene? I probably would have been less inclined to enjoy it. I feel like
Starting point is 00:17:44 that's the one thing that obviously the Gardens of the Galaxy stuff established really early is this great soundtrack that the other MCU movies didn't have. And obviously centering everything in the 70s and 80s. If Star Lord
Starting point is 00:18:00 had gotten a country, had gotten a Merle Haggard truck cassette from his mom instead of an awesome mix that he got. The awesome mix I have I have right here in the Ark of the Covenant right behind me. Yeah, look at that. Don't look at it, Marion.
Starting point is 00:18:16 This awesome mix right here. Yeah. Yeah, the Star-Lord got. That's pretty awesome. If he would have liked that, would I've enjoyed the movies as much? Probably not. I feel like that that soundtrack resonated with me because that's all the music I listened to growing up as well.
Starting point is 00:18:32 Yeah, I think he's James Gunn's got his finger on that pulse. He knows what we like, you know? Yeah, I'm absolutely going to miss, you know, his input into the MCU. I know we do still get Guardians of the Galaxy 3, and now we have the new Groot, which is a buff. Buff Teenager Groot, yeah. Buff Teenager Groot. Does he re-Gen like that in the comics all the time, or is this just a movie thing?
Starting point is 00:18:58 I don't know. You know, I've never read a series that had Groot. So that's I don't think I have either now I think about it I've read some guardians stuff but it was like crossover stuff and Groot wasn't there Yeah
Starting point is 00:19:12 I don't remember what it was early guardians right It was like the old Yeah old school The old guardians Anyway so Goofy assudes So Corey you know what You're absolutely entitled to your opinion on that
Starting point is 00:19:24 And I'm sure you're not the only one who feels like it You know like baby Groot was kind of a cash grab In like the way that the Ewox and minions, and, I mean, you can point to lots of franchises that try to do a... I wonder how he feels... How do you feel about the Mandalorian, Corey? Do you... Does Grogu drive you crazy?
Starting point is 00:19:46 Or do you like it in that context? Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah. Because it may be the same problem for him, you know? Sitting there watching a little goofy baby, baby... Might be, yeah. I don't know. This is just their way of selling little Funko Grogu Pups,
Starting point is 00:20:00 because I'll bet you they sold a lot more Grogu than they did Groot over the last time. They sold a lot of Grogu although there's a pretty good bobblehead version of Groot. I think I have him. Yeah, down there somewhere.
Starting point is 00:20:12 I have one of the few pop toys I retained because I like their design was the Groot one because his head moves. He fits as a pop toy. Grute is a very, you know, his Funko Pop dead eyes style works perfectly for Funko Pop. Yeah, does the job.
Starting point is 00:20:29 It gets it done as the kids. say. All right, look at this, you guys. One of the things that I enjoy also is reading. It's time for read this with our old pal Amy Robinson. Hi, Amy. Welcome back to the show. Oh, hello. We're going to see you in not even a month from now. I know.
Starting point is 00:20:51 Hardly a month, barely, let's see, 3.5 weeks or something. Geez, that's insane. It'll be four weeks. Yeah. It's four weeks from this last Sunday, so. It's fast. And we'll see Chuck. It'll be fun to see Chuck there.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Yeah. Fun to see Chuck. I'll tease him about his testicles. It'll be great. Yeah. It'll be good time. Yeah, it'll be good. It's all going to be great.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Yeah. Can't wait. Well, it's good to have you back. Amy, of course, our reading expert, as she likes to read. And she likes to share her reading selections with you at home on Thursdays for a regular segment called Read This. So let's do that today. Amy, what did you bring? I do.
Starting point is 00:21:29 I do indeed. like doing that. So, I hope, I promise everybody, I will get back on a fictional, like, escapey kind of, uh, kick in a minute. But I, I have been, you know, real steps is, is going on right now. So I'm kind of in the therapy, you know, kind of nonfictiony mode. And, uh, yeah. So I, I came across this book. I actually bought it for my niece for Christmas. because it was, I felt like it would resonate with her really, really well. And so, yeah, we can, we can play the clip. And I will just say that it's not all about, the whole book is not all about cleaning your house.
Starting point is 00:22:16 All right. That gets an interesting hint. Here we go. My professional experience as a therapist had shown me time and time again that being overwhelmed is not a personal failure. But as most of you know, the gulf between what we know and our minds and what we feel in our hearts is often an insurmountable distance. In that moment, I couldn't help but absorb that lie that my inability to keep a clean home was direct evidence of my deep character failing of laziness. In reality, this could not be further from the truth.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Even tasks that appear to be secondhand thoughts to most people, brushing your teeth, washing your hair, changing your clothes, can become almost impossible in the face of functional barriers. In my work as a therapist, I have seen hundreds of clients who struggle with these issues. and I am convinced now more than ever of one simple truth. They are not lazy. Main point. I do not think laziness exists. You know what does exist? Executive dysfunction, procrastination, feeling overwhelmed, perfectionism, trauma, a motivation, chronic pain, energy fatigue, depression, lack of skills, lack of support, and differing priorities. ADHD, autism, depression, traumatic brain injury, and bipolar and anxiety disorders
Starting point is 00:23:31 are just some of the conditions that affect executive function, making planning, time management, working memory, and organization more difficult, and tasks with multiple steps, intimidating or boring. There's an old saying that neurons that fire together, wire together.
Starting point is 00:23:45 It simply means that your brain can start associating feelings with certain experiences. This means that if a person was in an abusive situation, either as a child or in a domestic partnership where cleaning or mess was used as a punishment, or was the subject of abuse, then that person is going to have post-traumatic stress around housekeeping,
Starting point is 00:24:03 and they may avoid it because it triggers their nervous system. When barriers to functioning make completing care task difficult, a person can experience an immense amount of shame. Hmm. I wish I had that kind of shame about my, I wish I had a good excuse for why my office is a freaking sty right now. Yeah, right. Well, okay, so you don't need an excuse,
Starting point is 00:24:22 but that is the name of the book before, Christine Fletcher comes for me is how to keep house while drowning by Casey Davis. She is one of my favorite TikTokers, and she has written a book about essentially how to make your home functional. It's not about how to make it clean and tidy and look like Instagram worthy. It's about how to, you know, how to make it function for you. And I feel like the more I listen to her, and the more I dig into this book, that whole neurons that
Starting point is 00:25:03 fire together, wire together, ought to sound familiar because Wendy has said it about 800 times. Yeah, I've heard her say it on the show before. Is this where she got it? Did she coin it or get it from this lady? Oh, no, no, no. She, I mean, it's a very common, like,
Starting point is 00:25:19 psychology phrase. So I think they learn it in psychology 101. But, yeah. So it's, it's really about, hey, you are not a bad person for having a mess in your, in your house, right? Like, and I know that sounds ridiculous for me to say, but if you think about your internal way that you talk to yourself, you, you know, we shame ourselves all the time for, oh my God, this place, like you just did. Yeah, I'm doing it now. You know, like, oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:25:59 Yeah, I wish I had an excuse for why my office is a mess. I had some lasagna last night and I left my bowl down here. Look at this. Look at this. Some crusty ass leftover lasagna in my thing. And it's just sitting right here. How gross. Just going to have to throw that thing away.
Starting point is 00:26:11 It's not salvageable. No, what am I going to do? So soak this in acid for a month. Forget it. I'm just going to toss it. Break it. So Barkeep's friend will take care of that for you. But, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
Starting point is 00:26:26 The crux of that is it doesn't make you a bad person, right? It's not clean does not equal good, just like, you know, messy does not equal bad. It's, it is, there are a number of things. And the phrase that I have taken from Casey Davis that I have found so helpful is that these things are morally neutral. You know, you there is no, you haven't like, you haven't, uh, what's the word I'm liking for, violated your value system by leaving your socks on the floor or by having a bowl on your desk. I mean, Scott, I have a bowl on my desk all the time. The only reason that I don't right now is because I'm in the process of actually reorganizing my office, which if you follow me on TikTok, you will have seen all of that.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Showjo is following me a whole bunch and cheering me on, which is awesome. But yeah, it's like a whole ongoing multi-day saga. But, you know, and typically Chuck will occasionally come by and be like, hey, I'm going downstairs. You know, you got any dishes for me to grab and we do that for each other. But, you know, it's not the worst thing in the world. You know, do you have cockroaches in it? No. No, then it's okay.
Starting point is 00:27:44 I don't have mice. I don't have any of that. If your health is not an issue, then it's fine. It's fine. Quit shaming yourself about. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I mean, you know, so just in, and the.
Starting point is 00:27:54 The crux of that is, hey, if you can only do a little bit, then just do a little bit. And that's okay. Yeah. You know, it's your, your house functions and serves you. You don't serve your house. And, you know, it's there to provide shelter and, you know, a place to be and safety and whatnot. It's not, you don't have to serve your house. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:20 And so, so whatever you can do is okay. Okay. And on other days where you're like, yeah, I'm kicking ass today, then that's great too. You know, but nobody would ever, nobody would ever say, you know, we get on social media and whatnot and we brag on ourselves. But nobody would ever say, I'm so much better than you, because I did more than you today. Right. So why do we do that to ourselves? Sure. There are some people who would do that, but I don't want to be around them anyway, you know. Exactly, exactly. And, you know, that's like Jim Bros, who, you know, go on people in larger bodies videos and be like, oh, my God, you're so fat, you're disgusting. You know, that's not a person you want to be around anyhow. That's that guy. Yeah, that's that guy. Exactly. Well, and that guy clearly has, has issues. He hasn't worked out as well. Yeah. So, you know, anyway, as I say, the book is not only about it just the, I think the vehicle for a lot of the good messages. in the book is, you know, keeping house. But it applies to just about anything. Like right now and y'all both know this because y'all are both self-employed. So you do the small business thing. I cannot make myself do our taxes. Like I need to do our taxes. And I just can't like I have this
Starting point is 00:29:47 block about doing it. So actually one thing that I have discovered that helps me, is kind of having having company and a lot of people with ADHD call it body doubling and you can kind of get more done if it's you the other person that's there with you doesn't even have to be doing anything they'd just be sitting there and but you know you get more stuff done that way I found that a lot what I would I would fold laundry or do dishes or whatever if I was on the phone with my mom and, you know, like, I don't know why, but it just held, I know it was like, all of a sudden, hey. Would you end up, though, missing something she said because you're going, uh-huh, oh, really? Oh, wow. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You'd be basically like, well, no, how did that? But did you hear what I just said about your father or the neighbors? Like, oh, yeah, maybe you better tell me again just to be safe. Yeah. Not that I know of because honestly, the way it sort of works is it weirdly, I do. I have. I have.
Starting point is 00:30:49 ADHD brain bad and some days are worse than others particularly if I haven't had enough sleep like yesterday I had a Charlie horse that woke me up at 430 in the morning oh my God it hurts so bad I actually like called out I woke chuck up and I was like I'm sorry I didn't be to wake you up it just hurt I did this exact same thing scenario to Kim the other night and there was no there was no getting around it was so bad I was going to make noise so you're going to wake up And you may as well help me stretch my stupid calf because otherwise I'm going to die here. I hate that. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:31:25 They are so bad. I took a muscle relaxer last night because I was like, I'm not repeating that. But yesterday all day, man, I was my brain was somewhere else. I would walk into a room and be like, what, what was I? It was a good thing. I wasn't on the show yesterday because I'd have been like, what, what was I going to? Who am I? Where am I?
Starting point is 00:31:45 There's a book or something. Yeah. so excuse me and I just did it now but no Brian because the way that my particular flavor of neurodivergence works is there it's like I call it monkey brain and so I keep my monkey brain busy by folding the clothes and that actually makes it easier for me to focus on what my mom's saying makes sense because it's a mundane it's not something you're really have to focus on. So it's a lot easier to do that mindlessly while you pay attention to. Right. Right. Exactly. It's like it's something that keeps my monkey brain busy so that my main brain can focus on doing something else. And it and it's like because and, you know, things like dishes and laundry and whatnot and those things are boring. I don't want to do them. And so, you know, if I have something else that my main brain can focus on and not be like, oh, boring.
Starting point is 00:32:47 thing. So today, the real stepers, I have organized the little thing that we're calling, let's do the thing. And so we're just going to get together on Discord, and we're going to all get together and say the thing we're going to do. And then we're going to spend 30 minutes and just
Starting point is 00:33:02 set timers and go do it. Just go do stuff. I like this. Something we've been procrastinating or whatever, and just go do it. And then at the very end, we come back for 15 minutes, and we say what we did, and then we say a thing we get to do that day. I like that a lot.
Starting point is 00:33:18 That's a great idea. See, this is why we have, so I have an accountant for, you know, talking about taxes earlier and I have accountant who does everything for us except for we got to gather crap up, right? We have to get things ready. Well, same. That's me too. That's why I cannot understand why I can't make myself do this. All I have to do is gather all the crap and send it to the guy and I can't make myself do it.
Starting point is 00:33:39 What helps us is he hounds us, but he makes us feel very deadlining about it. and that helps because now I've got somebody who's on the hook for it. It's like, oh, well, I can't make Mark wait for these. I have to hurry and get all this stuff to him. I think that's a big motivator for me. If it's just me, I'm terrible at it. We have an accountant that is very much texting me right now. Okay, well, I got all these things.
Starting point is 00:34:06 Have you finished that spreadsheet, Brian? I'm like, no, I'm still working on it. It's like basically, you know, every coverville related film sack morning stream, every purchase. And I buy a lot of music for all of the shows, soundography, like basically individual tracks that we need, whatever. And it's so much like getting spreadsheets from five different sources and then adding a category field and figuring out, all right, what was that for? Oh, yeah, that's show content. Or this one is professional services or this one is travel and entertainment and all that stuff. Yeah. I just wish there's a way to, um, I wish we had flat,
Starting point is 00:34:43 flat rate taxes. That's what I wish we had. I know it's never going to happen, but it'd be cool. If we're all paying 20 to 30 percent, whatever our rate is, I don't even know what the averages are. Just do a flat one. I know that doesn't work for billionaires. Then they're all going to be pissed when I say this. But just go bork. Like everybody bunk. You have your 30 percent. Bam, you paid it. You're done. We're off to the races. Anyway. Yeah. Oh, I agree. That would make things so much easier. But yeah. So the stuff in this book doesn't necessarily have to apply to, you know, housework and things like that.
Starting point is 00:35:16 But it can be, it can be really helpful for, hey, you know, if you, if this task feels daunting, this whole project feels like it's just too much, then just do a little bit. And then if you feel great and want to keep going, awesome. If you don't, that's okay. You did a little bit. And that's it. That's all good. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Well, listen to this. I found the origin of Charlie Horse. Would you like to hear where this came from? I would. I would indeed. Check this out. Base ballasts. Okay, so this is July 1886 issue of the West Virginia newspaper called the Wheeling Daily Intelligencer. Okay. They were using those stupid, that intelligence are stupid name all the way back in the 1800s. Anyway, base ballasts have invented a brand new
Starting point is 00:36:02 disease called Charlie Horse. It consists of, and this is taken right out of the issue of the paper, consists of a peculiar contraction and hardening of the muscles and tendons of the thigh, although I usually get him in the calf, to which ball players are liable from the sudden starting and stopping and chasing balls. Jack Glasscock is said to have originated the name because the way men limped around reminding him of an old horse he once owned named Charlie. There's your origin. The guy had a horse named Charlie. He limped around like a weird old horse. That looks like these guys with their pulled muscles. Boom. I'm going to call it a Charlie horse. That's awesome. By the way, my old GP was Dr. David Glasscock.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Yep, yeah, old Glasscock. It was so fun going to see the doctor and saying, all right, well, I need to go get a physical from Dr. Glasscock. You know, I feel bad for people with, like, unfortunate names sometimes. So, like, I went to school with a guy whose last name was butts. Yeah, just like straight up butts. And then another guy whose last name was Dix. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Did they hang out? Did they, did those two ever come out? Hang out together? It's going to be my exact same question. So I'm glad you asked it. Yeah. They did. They did.
Starting point is 00:37:19 Good, good. So dicks and butts out on the town on a Friday. Fantastic. I love it. Yes. Anyway, so don't, you know, shame never, I'm going to Brune Brown for a second here, but shame never helped anybody get anything done. It just makes you feel worse, you know, about yourself.
Starting point is 00:37:39 And especially if you suffer with depression or anything like that, that shame is just going to make that worse and make it less possible for you to get anything for a hot second of that he said Shane Shane never did anything for anyone Shane never did anything for anybody yeah so Shane Maddox he's out he just barely submitted a title funny enough but um Shane on you Shane on you Shane Shane who has a surprisingly lovely singing voice who uh what I need to yeah yes okay I know he's coming If he's coming to Vegas, I need to hear this lovely singing voice. I believe we've played his stuff on the show before.
Starting point is 00:38:18 Have we? Yeah. I need to hear it again. From his band, yeah. I didn't know that was him. Here's what I think of and I think of Shane. Stand in one place, hold your camera way out here, and then slowly rotate until you've done a full 360 of the entire room. That's what I picture when I think of Shane.
Starting point is 00:38:38 Well, anyway, Shane, it's not your fault. Well, all right then. This sounds like great. Tell people the book one more time and, you know. The book is called How to Keep House While Drowning by Casey Davis. And she is domestic blisters on TikTok. Domestic blisters. Okay. Well, get in there while TikTok stays.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Get that book and put some salve on it. That obviously is up on the site at quicktms.l. Yeah. It's a really short book also. That's like, and I find. with a lot of like self-help books and like like that book uh oh what was it called it wasn't called just do it was like um getting things done getting things done yeah oh i have freaking i was like great the first chapter ought to be finding time to read this damn book yeah like it's a very
Starting point is 00:39:31 good book it's a really it's a really good book i read it front to back but what the one thing it misses or the one thing it just assumes is you're coming to it with the motivation to start with right so if you've got the motivation it's a brilliant way to get things done like it's a really good it's a great system people have copied it tons of software builds that builds their entire software systems around the concepts and getting things done but it the one piece it misses is this a little bit right before it where you got to like be you know motivated enough whatever the motivation needs to be to get going and that's the tricky bit so I guess that's why real steps exist.
Starting point is 00:40:08 So there you have it. Yeah. And the Casey Davis book addresses that piece and the motivation piece. Nice. Yeah. It's really good. All right. Go check it out.
Starting point is 00:40:18 It is Red Fraggle 3 everywhere you want to find her, including that old TikTok thing until they pull it down. Although, I don't know. I got a theory on this. This restrict act, the proposing, that would be the one that would take it out, is so broad with its powers that there's no way. there's no way this passes it can't pass it's so bad it's so bad it's really bad it's not just i thought oh well they'll just make a very narrow thing that's just attacking the ticot china thing and that's it that's that's what this is this will be for no no no they have they have put a ton of language in there that basically broadens it it feels like patriot act 2.0 it's like real gnarly
Starting point is 00:41:02 it's very 1984ish kind of shit yeah go read it's it's bad it's it's It's bullshit. You don't want it. Anyway, so I'm kind of hoping it's so extreme that they won't, they won't pass. And I don't think they have a majority, so they won't anyway. But anyway, good luck on that. And Amy, thanks for being with us. We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye now. Bye now. All right. All right. What do we got? We got time for a little bit of news. Let's do that. Yes, that's right. It's time for the news, and it's brought to you by. Core, podcast, live, tonight, 5 p.m. video games, be there. Listen. It's yours for the taking. That's right. It's very good. Just how Scott wrote it. Yeah, it's perfect, dramatic reading. It's exactly what I intended. Yeah, Core will be tonight. It'll be at 5 p.m. And that's Mountain Time. And everybody should come watch us live or check it out later but we love doing core and it's that time of the week so come check it out that's tonight cool uh Miami man in the news Miami man Miami man yeah what's his
Starting point is 00:42:13 power you haven't done that in a while what's his power we have not done that in a while Miami man his power is to uh boy about a practice with these damn uh powers here it's been a bit able to get such a dark 10 he looks like a raisin And we'll smell like one, too. Excelsior. Ah, the sweet smell of dried fruit. Yes. Speaking of it.
Starting point is 00:42:40 Silly question. No, that's not him. I'm going to win. That's a silly question, isn't it? No. Oh, I don't have it. I thought I had the Excelsior. That's a stupid question or whatever he says.
Starting point is 00:42:51 What does he say? Oh, silly person is what it is. Oh, silly person. That's right. Let's see. And he was talking to Veronica. Hold on. Now that I've mentioned it, I have to do it.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Oh, I don't have it. Legally obligated. All right. This is one of those on a weird hard drive. I haven't moved over yet, so wish me luck. I'll find it. And a Miami man was injured by a falling iguana during an outdoor yoga class. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:19 We talked about the iguanas when stuff was cold out there. They would freeze in the trees and then drop on people, right? Yeah, they would get too cold for them. But you just have any kind of cold snap in Florida, and these iguanas just fall out of the tree. Yeah, like old fruit. Well, the class proceeded as usual for 47 minutes. They were doing breathing exercises, upward and downward dog. Oh, I don't know what the upward dog is.
Starting point is 00:43:45 I know, right? I don't either. I've never heard of it. I don't know what that is. I've done downward dog before. Anyway, Warrior, I've heard of that. Triangle. I don't know what that is.
Starting point is 00:43:56 And seated stretching poses, sure. Okay. Sure. They concluded the instruction, instructing yogis to roll on their backs, lift their hips, and begin to look inward. All right. It was then that a series of noises,
Starting point is 00:44:10 tree branches rustling a loud thud, a cacophony of gasps. All of this ensued. It's very dramatic. No kidding. This is like written by Steinbeck or something. Yeah, no kidding. This is what the yogi says.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Guys, I think we're going to, going to have to close the class. His name is Sanchez, said in this Instagram live video as they were, right, we got recorded. I'm going to take care of someone who just got an iguana
Starting point is 00:44:38 dropped on his face. Oh. Yeah. That's someone would be Michael agreed to speak to the New York Times or the New Times, rather, there's no New York Times involved here.
Starting point is 00:44:46 The New Times. Miami New Times, which is fake paper. Oh, doesn't. It's not the, not the Herald. I mean, it's probably just an online thing. Oh, gotcha.
Starting point is 00:44:56 Okay. The Herald is the Miami actual newspaper. So Miami Newtimes.com. Probably just an online online newspaper thing. All these are cropping up. Some smaller one, who knows?
Starting point is 00:45:06 Yeah. It says on the quite understandable condition. Miami Intelligencer. I hate that name so much. Yeah, I think the Seattle Times and post-intelligencer still exist.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Or is it just Seattle Times now? Somebody from Seattle can answer that one. If I live there, I would stop with Times and never put intelligence are in my mouth. I hate that word. Yeah, exactly. It sucks. This guy says, I didn't see it coming. It felt like a sandbag hit me in the face. First thing that went through my head was I must have been, or must have been a coconut,
Starting point is 00:45:38 but there were no coconut trees. And then I thought maybe the guy next to me slugged me, but I mean, we're in a yoga class and it's so calm and peaceful. Why would that guy hit me, unquote? Yeah, why? Really the first thing that went through his head was the iguana. The second thing that went through his head is that it must have been a coconut. That's right. Oh man. I saw something, oh, I can't even talk about it. I saw a death in a movie yesterday that was so gross. Well, I've talked about it before. Have I talked about bone tomahawk? I think I've talked about it. Oh, yes. You've mentioned it before, yeah. It's a 2015 movie. What's his name? Can I think of his name all of a sudden. No one's names are working for me today.
Starting point is 00:46:19 Give me both. Guardians 2, dad. Oh, Kurt Russell. Kirk freaking Russell. We just watched him on Filmsack. Anyway. Ego. He's an old sheriff. It's a Western, but it's also a horror movie.
Starting point is 00:46:33 And it's got an amazing cast. And if you've all seen that movie, it's 2015, you guys. This isn't new. If you've seen that movie, Bone Tomahawk, then you know about the death scene I'm talking about. And for some reason, for some reason, this iguana lining on this dude's head reminded me of that, but I don't know why.
Starting point is 00:46:55 I was just trying to come up with a wall of voodoo. I wish I was in Tijuana. Getting hit in the face with an iguana. Somewhere along the line, there is a song there. There's a cover in there. There's a weird owl moment. A parody.
Starting point is 00:47:11 There's a parody in there. Yeah. I can hear Dr. Demento to getting ready to play that record. You know? That's how I know. Should there be a policy? I hope not. But should there be a policy on when I do my,
Starting point is 00:47:24 my film sack intros, am I allowed to do my own parody of a song that Weirdall, Yankovic himself parodied prior? I think so. Yeah. Okay. I don't think there's any rules against that now. Because I'm thinking about one for this week. Again, haven't even watched
Starting point is 00:47:39 Cobra yet, but I think I've already got a thought in mind for a song parody intro. Trying to think of a song with lyrics that have Cobra rhyming song. You can guess it, but it's A, I don't think you'll get it. B. I'm not going to tell if you're right. Yeah, you're not going to say whether I got it right. You want to save it.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Exactly. Cobra. What rhymes with Cobra? It might not even be, Cobra might not even be in the chorus. I might be talking about Stallone or, uh, oh, that's true.
Starting point is 00:48:09 It could have nothing to do with it. That's right. Cutting pizza with garden shares. Who knows? Yeah. There's so many directions I could go with that. It's endless, really. Your list, your choices.
Starting point is 00:48:19 You could go anywhere you want. That's right. Exactly. Speaking of going somewhere, we're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister, Wendy, will be here, an actual practicing therapist. She's got a very interesting email to tackle today. So that will be what we do after this break.
Starting point is 00:48:32 This break involves a musical selection. Brian, what do you have today? About a week ago, the band Heartworms released their debut EP called A Comforting Notion. Perfect, perfect for Therapy Thursday. Big thanks to Speedy Wonderground and P-I-A-S marketing for sending me this one. This is the brand new song from South London heartworms. It's really just one person. It's a she.
Starting point is 00:49:00 And her name is, do I have that in here? Nope, she just goes by heartworms. She's not one anybody tracking her down and finding her. So she's, she's heartworms. From the brand new EP, A Comforting Notion, here is 24 hours. I wonder what it's like to feel less troubles more than a day like being a child again excited to wake up and do a little while the sun goes up.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Bleaving teeth became money and money became a souvenir. Feather in my eye and a stone cold asleep Better watch you escape like a refugee Keep their faces covered from the deputy Gathering while you shit and thinking Heavy iron armor slag on her back for a heart to tap
Starting point is 00:50:24 loyalty loss for the love you lack radio head playing radio whack I don't think I got to stay away from that I miss your head detention
Starting point is 00:50:41 heart feelings abolition dancing for our sick condition I wonder what dislike to feel less troubles more than a day, like being a child again excited to wake up and do a little. While the sun goes up, breathing teeth became money, and merely became a souvenir. Heavy iron armistacked on our back Could we feel better
Starting point is 00:51:29 For a heart to tie Loyalty lost for the love you lack Radio head playing radio whack I don't know how to stay away from there I wish I had detention Heart feelings abolition 24 hours in a sick condition I don't know how to stay away from that
Starting point is 00:52:00 I will shy a detention Heart feelings abolition 24 hours in a sick condition I'm going to be able to be. I'm going to be. Thank you. Next, you'll be telling me, you'll be telling me you don't like strangers around here. Pinching is not allowed, not around me.
Starting point is 00:53:47 Here's your meatball. This is the morning stream. And we're back. Tell me more about that song. Yeah. That song is called 24 hours. And it is by heartworms from her brand new EP, a comforting notion.
Starting point is 00:54:17 They have medicine for that for heartworms, I think. Yeah, and it provides you a comforting notion. Yeah, that's true. Can people get heartworms or is that just dog thing, I wonder? I think just dogs, but I don't know. I don't know if people can get them. You never hear about somebody getting heartworms, so I think it is, it's got to just be a dog thing. Or maybe we're just, I don't know, you'd have to go back to like.
Starting point is 00:54:38 Our hearts are impervious to worms. Oh, look at this. There's the American. Worms, Rockman, Worms. The American Heartworm Association. Oh. uh says it is all pets so i think i think we're correct that people do not get heartworms maybe they can if they live bad like if you're living in a dumpster you know i don't know i don't know
Starting point is 00:55:01 we're just too just we're just you know a licking ourselves to clean ourselves short of getting our own heartworms basically yeah that's what it sounds like to me i'm i'm all in on our dystopic future uh speaking of uh futures let's talk to wendy and see if we can't improve our features. Here's her thingy. Wendy. I mean, random. Not a chance. Ooh, look who it is. It's my sister Wendy. Hi, Wendy. Hey. Hey. How are you guys? What's going on? When you're
Starting point is 00:55:28 here, your family. That's true, isn't it? You know? Wait, what? You know, it's like Olive Garden. You've been there. All when you're here, your family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You are family when you're here. Yeah. I know. As wherever you are you, our family.
Starting point is 00:55:41 We're still family. Your family no matter what. But that's not the issue today. Today is a very different kind of thing. going to read an email. We're going to get somebody some help for their big question. I feel like this one might be interesting for everyone, especially, I don't know. I feel like us in general, because I don't think Brian and I know anything about this subject. I don't think this is a thing. No, definitely don't. But I do want to say before we can get into that, that I have been repeating my handwritten.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Oh, yeah. We've got to follow up. Oh, your mantra. Yeah, me too. It's been going very well. I have it basically sitting right here in front of my monitor, and I don't do procrastination. I tackle the most urgent items first. Okay, so tell me this, when the rubber hits the road and there's a chance to procrastinate this last week, what happened? Nine times out of ten, I won't say that I completely stopped procrastinating because I did have some fun stuff I wanted to do, but nine times out of ten, it did work, and I did just say, all right, well, it's, what's, it made me actually think about what was the most important thing, because I found that one of my problems was I would intentionally not prioritize in my head what was most important. important so that I can easily excuse doing the fun thing first. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Because fun should be a priority as well. It just maybe in a different order. Yeah. Yeah, it shouldn't be all fun. I can't live on just icing. I need some cake. I need some actual cake. Nice.
Starting point is 00:57:04 That's awesome. How about you, Scott? I don't worry about things out of my control, I wrote. And I was better at that. I had better sleep this week. I think part of that was me, like, I'd go to bed with all the things I got to do tomorrow, all the existential worries I always carry with me, all that stuff. And I started to go, you, you don't need, you can't control any of that.
Starting point is 00:57:29 So just go to sleep. All you can control now is your sleep. Let's do that. And that, like, weirdly helped. And they didn't have any weird dreams, which is too bad for the show because those are always fun to talk about. But I had no weird dreams. Like, it was just kind of a better, a better week of sleep, having this around and reoccur. it. So, success. Also, can we just all geek out about that for a second that writing something down and reading it a couple
Starting point is 00:57:54 times changed your sleep? Yeah, no. Well, it makes sense, right? Personally else I can write down to help my sleep because this didn't help my sleep. But it's an important point, though. It's an important point to think about, like, what makes us have bad sleep? It's us reading a couple of things too often or thinking about a thing too often. And then we're having bad sleep as a result. So it's not, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that flipping the lid and doing this positive mantra or thinking about it more is having the same effect but in a positive way. It makes perfect sense to me. I'm just bad at. I'm just bad at normally doing it.
Starting point is 00:58:30 It's logical. It's not like it was some magic trick. It is in the sense of like bringing something further up in your awareness. That's pretty hard to do when your attention is being drawn all over the place. Right. So that's a little magic. But like, yeah, it just is framing a thing differently. and your brain will respond if you frame it that way.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Like, it can be malleable, and that's actually exactly what we're going to talk about today. Teaching old dogs new tricks, you might say. Right. All right. Well, let's teach a couple of old dogs some new tricks here with today's anonymous email. I'll just read what we got here. Greetings last week, you and your wonderful sister. Oh, that's very nice of them to say that.
Starting point is 00:59:10 That's so nice. Way to butter me up before I break it down. says you and your wonderful sister asked for mushroom questions. I'm eager to learn more. My sister's new wife recently divulged to me that she is microdosing. That's the term you always hear. This concern me because, as I understand it, all hallucinations are severely harmful to the brain
Starting point is 00:59:32 and self-medication without prescription can be dangerous. All hallucinations? You want to say that differently? Didn't I, what I say? All hallucinogens. Oh, all hallucinogens. That is a very different word. All hallucinations.
Starting point is 00:59:45 Genogens are severely harmful to the brain and self-medication without a prescription can be dangerous. I'm not looking to judge her decisions, but she is now family, and I am concerned that her microdosing practices could rub off on my sister, whom I love so dearly. What are the dangers of microdosing? How would Wendy recommend an approach, or I approach my sister with my concerns without coming off as a drug nark regards anonymous. I love the drug nark. All right.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Drug nark. Okay, I have two questions that I would love answered. what does this person do for a living what is their background yeah be interesting uh and their they're hating the competition uh and also just like what is yeah yeah like what is well i'll save my second question okay that would just be an interesting i don't know so people when you send an email just be like uh i work with yeah i t or whatever just because it gives me like i don't know that's sometimes a helpful thing. And age,
Starting point is 01:00:45 age probably helps too, right? You want, you want age. Right. Because if this is somebody, I mean, my sense of like, okay,
Starting point is 01:00:52 my sister's new life, this is, could be any age, but like, maybe not 90 year olds. Right. Upper 20s, lower 30s.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Yeah, could be somewhere in the middle, the TV range. That's what we call it, where you look like you could be on TV. Is that a thing? I hadn't heard that before.
Starting point is 01:01:11 Between 18 and, And 39. Okay. That's the TV range. That's when you're presentable for television, I see. Yeah, your collagen still works. And then after that, we don't want to see you. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:24 Okay. So here's the thing with this. So let's just start with some basic understanding that is a misunderstanding. Okay. Hallucinogens do not severely harm the brain. That's fundamentally not true. Right. Now.
Starting point is 01:01:43 Because that has a big blanket statement. So what I'm interested in is where do they get to that assessment, right? So when I'm working with anyone and they come in and they have this idea about something, often when it comes to things that, you know, really out of their purview, that's why, like, if he's a car mechanic and he's like, my sister's, you know, doing this thing and it's terrible. And just not daily working with the brain and having not a lot of information, you're going to just go with whatever A experiences you've had or kind of the vibe, right? I mean, that's a weird way of putting it.
Starting point is 01:02:20 But, like, actually, let's talk about the vibe a little bit with psychedelics historically. So I'm going to use a couple different words. Hallucinogens, you know, that's, I think what they're referencing here is psychedelics as a class of drugs, which are found usually in natural sources. you can, you know, LSD is a, um, was synthetic, synthetic, but, you know, most of these were found in plants and mushrooms and, you know, different sources and a lot of indigenous and, um, first peoples have a lot of, a lot of deep knowledge about these substances because they've used them for various rituals and, you know, historically that's where
Starting point is 01:03:00 most of this stuff was. Well, it's, it gets discovered and like all good things, white people take it and break it. And, you know, there was a lot of cool initial research going on in the 50s and 60s with some of these substances and in the mental health realm of just like this makes, this does this to the brain. You know, it's pretty fascinating. We did not have. I mean, you got to remember like just a baby ultrasound like came out in 1975 or something. Yeah. I can't remember the exact date.
Starting point is 01:03:30 But, and it was, you couldn't see a thing. Let's all be honest. So we're talking. We don't have the imaging ability, any of that to really know. and they're just kind of looking through figuring stuff out. Well, it's also apparently a lot of fun to hallucinate. So there's lots of counterculture stuff that gets wrapped up in it, and then it's used all over the place in recreational ways and gets a bad wrap.
Starting point is 01:03:54 And then in 1970, it is basically the U.S. government bams it as an illicit substance that, you know, is illegal, right? So that put a sudden stop to any kind of research that could be done on these kinds of things. And then in recent years, there's been a resurgent because some of these substances have been legalized in various ways for research purposes. And then Colorado, by the way, and Oregon are the only two states where like psilocybin is legal. Oregon has made a law about this, which is a really smart one, which is it's legal for recreational use with a couple factors in place because there are some risk factors, which I'll get it. into what the risk factors are but um you know there is a big shift in the zeitgeist around this right maybe you guys have noticed this like it's been really sudden in the last couple years and some of the research that's come out has verified you know some of its therapeutic use and so clinics have
Starting point is 01:04:56 popped up to do that work in my industry i've i've already had two or three trainings where the best in my field are talking about this and how does this affect trauma? work and how do we make sure this is, you know, does no harm, but really does the good that we think it might do. So it's definitely all over the place. Yeah. But that usually means when it is in the very public sphere, it has been in a less public sphere for a hot minute before then. And so I forget, there's a term for it in San Francisco. It's like the secret, whatever, because it really starts there, you know, on the underground. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, I know this. There's a word. Oh, crap. I'm not going to remember. Okay, I won't either. I'll think. But essentially, it's like a little
Starting point is 01:05:44 secret hub of where a lot of this experimenting and early therapeutic sort of intervention using these things started. So, you know, it's just becoming more mainstream and being studied. So John Hopkins University has done a lot of work in the last five years. Let's see. see, 2017, wherever the heck that is six years ago. Lots of cool studies, lots of double-blind. We're getting into the real meat of research and then how this can help other people.
Starting point is 01:06:14 So let's just do this. Let's break it down real quick into what is helpful about it and then what is not. And we're going to start with this big, big umbrella is that we don't know everything, right? I think sometimes as a consumer or sort of a person watching this, like your doctor's like, okay, I don't take so much vitamin C. And then later they're like, you've got to up your vitamin C.
Starting point is 01:06:41 And so your own experience is a little, you know, frustrating. You want black and white answers. You want the expert to be the expert. But we are talking about the brain people. And the brain, unlike any other part of us, it's a lot harder to know. definitively certain things or to control certain things. But we know some really good stuff about it. Even person to person, right?
Starting point is 01:07:07 Like, you know, what works for somebody might not even work for, might not work for anybody else. Yeah. Yeah. So let's get to the fundamentals of what these types of substances do. And anyone who's probably taken one, then Molly at a party can tell you that their brain suddenly is not like your brain. Knowing is Molly is mushrooms?
Starting point is 01:07:29 Is that a thing? I didn't know that. No, Molly's like MDMA. And MDMA is being studied for some really cool mental health benefits. So everything kind of has a different thing. Cilocybin is in mushrooms. That's the magic mushroom room. MDMA is this other one.
Starting point is 01:07:46 DAT is another one. Anyway, there's a few stuff that's in ayahuasca. You guys know that, like the Peruvian drink where you're hoes me. So what they're doing is they're actually looking at all these things that are studying them in mice, of course, which is where you always got to start. and finding out different things. And then they are now doing double-blind studies with adults. And what we're finding, and I'll get to microdosing in a second,
Starting point is 01:08:11 but what happens is the brain gets these chemicals will, think of a snow globe. You have a snow globe, everything's settled. Your neural networking is kind of what it is. You flip the snow globe over and then things can fall in different places. it's like that's what it can offer the brain. It will grow new dendrites. It will make new connections.
Starting point is 01:08:34 It will, you know, kind of the stuff that was stuck isn't stuck. And so, for example, ketamine is another example. And ketamine has been used by, I'm not sure, ethically by police officers to calm suspects down sometimes. It's a diminution without, you know, consent, which is a problem. Anyway, we're not going to get into that. But that has been used for a while. It is legal. It is legal to use in treating treatment depression or treatment resistant depression and to some great effect for a lot of people.
Starting point is 01:09:08 So I personally have multiple clients that have done this and have had really helpful when nothing else has worked. So what it does is creates more plasticity in the brain. And plasticity is a thing we've known about for a long time. we haven't quite known how to create it. We know the most plastic the brain is or the most malleable, the most wiring and rewiring it is at a very young age. So one to four is the most plastic our brains are. So imagine, you know, you teach a four-year-old to ski or you teach a 50-year-old to ski,
Starting point is 01:09:40 like really different abilities because no, those networks can be built very quickly, learning a language, whatever it is, right? It just goes really fast because it's so plastic or malleable, right? valuable yeah so the sciencey words plastic and so I just know that's what I'm talking about when I say that because it feels like a weird word right yeah your brain is not actually made of still forming still still able to get input and deal with input a lot easier yeah and that's why all the things you learn as you age it gets a little harder more effort to do those things because it's just not as malleable so what this does is create some malubility again which can have a really great effect and it can also have risk. So let's just talk about the good things about it. When I'm done with a trained provider and a setting in which you're safe and it's managed. So for example, let's imagine you give you a psychedelic and then I push you out in traffic. That is not a great setting. Right? Or you're just doing it for fun with a friend and your brain suddenly gets all loose.
Starting point is 01:10:52 open and then you remember some unresolved trauma from a younger age. You can actually give yourself PTSD, and that's one of the risks here of just doing it on your own. You can give yourself PTSD from that experience. And your brain is so open. It's just kind of think of it as like a very vulnerable state and then you just stamp some trauma right in there. In the past, they'd call it like a bad trip, right?
Starting point is 01:11:19 Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. But you could also have, I'm just recovered some very, you know, something I've been suppressing. Yeah. And I'm just with my buddies here on a couch. And I realized I was abused, you know, half my childhood. And I have no one here to help me.
Starting point is 01:11:36 I don't know how to integrate this, you know. So there is the, was a baby, basically. Yeah. Yeah. The very is, it's a, that is the risk of sort of of not having help as you work through these things. So I'm talking about kind of bigger trip situation, and what they're finding is this makes huge strides for people with treatment resistant depression when nothing else has worked. I mean, we're looking at people who have done two to four other treatment regimes, have done therapy, have met, you name it, they've tried it, all the drugs series, every single kind, nothing touches it. And then they are able to do, you know, one session with psilocybin with, you know,
Starting point is 01:12:20 it's like a four to six hour session. They have two psychologists with them the whole time kind of guiding them. And they have benefits that sometimes can last six months from that one dosing, which is mind-blowing, right? Right. The other thing ketamine does is it helps with suicidal thinking very quickly. and that's one of the reasons it was, I think, legalized so quickly because of the benefit that it can give to just, it's like it gets your brain to stop going there in this kind of an amazing way. So all this to be said, these are trips, though. This is not like you're getting
Starting point is 01:12:58 this and you're like, just feeling comfy. Usually you are dreaming of something weird, you know, like it is bizarre. So you can't drive after. You have to have someone with you. This is costly. often it's given intravenously, like, this is a production to get this kind of help, right? And so people who are really desperate and need this help, they're going to do this, right? But, you know, lots of researchers now are trying to make this more accessible and helping more people. So introduce microdosing. So microdosing is the idea of it's like some like 2% of the total dose, it's some small amount. So if a regular thing is two to five grams or something, you're doing.
Starting point is 01:13:38 100 milligrams. And administered by a professional is the other key part of that. Exactly. It's monitored while you're taking it. Right. Well, the microdosing, what happens is you don't have the same level of, it doesn't have the same hallucinogenic effect, but it doesn't have side effects like you can have with antidepressants.
Starting point is 01:13:58 I don't know if you guys know this, but antidepressants, when you think about like, oh, when did those come out? What's your guess? Just what pops in your head are like, how long have those been around? Probably right around the time that, uh, Mushrooms and hallucinogenics were demonized, as my guess, just right around then. Yeah, I don't know. I think of the 40s and 50s and Mother's Little Helper and, you know, the Rolling Stone song,
Starting point is 01:14:20 but I'm sure it's much earlier than that. Well, what's funny is everybody's needed one, probably before that. Yeah, right. The sort of initial ones were in the 40 and 50s, but those are MAAIs and some other types that are more significant side effects and interact with other medications and life in a tough way. Those are tough medications. So it was never fully adopted. But the ones you know today, the ones, the SSRIs that the Prozax, the Lexa Pro, you know, Zloft, that was in 1988.
Starting point is 01:14:53 Oh, wow. 88, geez. Right? I was like, Scott, you just graduated high school. I just graduated high school. Yeah, that is weird to me. I didn't know that. I thought this was like 60s or at least.
Starting point is 01:15:04 No. No, 1988. And has made a big difference. for some people, but across the board, there's a third of people with depression that it doesn't help at all. So that's really one of the motivations for doing the psychedelic research is that we've got access to these compounds and chemicals that make a huge difference in someone's brain. And the improvements are substantial. But now we're getting into double blind, placebo effect, checking, all that kind of stuff. And what we're finding is that microdosing is not
Starting point is 01:15:38 they can't they're not showing yet that when you when you take out the expectation that it's helping that it actually helps but we don't know that fully yet only some of these studies support it and this is what's hard is in order to really like you know think of what you know about Tylenol that's from so much time and effort to know what you know about Tylenol we are babies this was 2017 I think the first time people said it out loud that we're going to be doing this and looking at this. Yeah. So it's a big change.
Starting point is 01:16:10 And so for me, going from, I don't know anything about any of this to having a client just bless his heart slowly helped me understand the stuff he was learning because he was so desperate for help. Yeah. And I'm just thinking, no, I don't know, to a couple books. And now I've done a couple trainings. I don't work with it directly, but I will, without hesitation, refer my clients to get this kind of help.
Starting point is 01:16:37 But of course, it's following a bunch of different rules as opposed to like, you know what? You just go find some in a back alley and give it and go. I'm sure you'll be fine. You could totally do it. Once again, it's this combination of societal shame, not societal shame, not societal judgment or whatever, where we placed these kinds of things. And I think weed falls into this category as well. We put them in whatever cultural taste or distaste they've been in for so long. So now that there's actual science and stuff around the benefits,
Starting point is 01:17:17 we still have a hard time separating them. We still think of it as like, oh, we're going to get them. Those colors of. Yeah. It's like you're going to get them mushrooms out of the backyard and then you're going to hide in the garage and smoke that shit. Like, that's what people think. All they think are people with bell bottoms with flowers printed on them and leather jacket. leather vests with fringe on them.
Starting point is 01:17:36 It's hard to separate the counterculture of it from new knowledge or whatever, which is a human, I know that's a whole other human trait we could probably talk about sometime. Yeah. So that's why you'll see the younger generation is being like, well, why do you even care? Like this has nothing to do with anything else. And we need to respect the indigenous people who create it. You know, like there's a total different vibe than someone who, you know, grew up at a time where the 60s hippies are just a joke or demonized in their world, right?
Starting point is 01:18:07 So you're absolutely right. And so it is kind of a, I wonder, I sometimes wonder, like, what else in history is this exact thing? And maybe it's in a different culture or something where there was a stop put to something that really could have been helpful. And it just wasn't, I don't know, someone can come up. I couldn't think of one. But I feel like humans always do the same thing over and over and over again.
Starting point is 01:18:31 This is not the first or the last time. The Romans did some bull crap like this. We just don't, we just can't think of what it is. Everybody does. Yeah. Well, and in the end, you know, the people looking at this, and this is the other thing that can be difficult in modern life is, you know, are all these attempts, you know, people have really good intentions to really help people.
Starting point is 01:18:54 But we always have sort of money grab and opportunity folks. And so sometimes distinguishing the two is tricky. Or, and actually, this is really important, sourcing, where are people getting this from? And is it actually quality? And is it safe? And that's just like any drug. This is the reason we have the FDA. And we sometimes can be mad at it like, wow, they don't sell this thing I need or, you know, St.
Starting point is 01:19:19 John's works, but they've never said it or whatever the thing is. And it's a bit of like, whenever we're grumpy about a thing, we probably really just don't understand it. right we don't understand what it takes to create something safe and then that gets put on the mass market and doesn't kill a bunch of people then we are furious when there's a hiccup with something or something's recalled like how dare they well it's just puts them in a rough position so they're they're going to do the thing that they always do but i would recommend for this person because you know maybe he's listening to me thinking okay cool but also this is scary because this is my relationship with someone I really care about, and I think this thing they're doing
Starting point is 01:20:00 is so terrible. And that's really what this email is about. The email is like, you know, I wanted to talk a little bit about the science of it, and there's so much out there you can read. It's new, right? Nature, I have a bunch of links I can send you. But there's a lot of, you know, really serious people talking about this and working on this and doing this. This is not just like nothing and and so take a minute and before you go tell your sister you are concerned that you have us a basic understanding of this right and dive in a little this is not going to make you into a distributor of psilocybin this is just going to make you more informed right because this the stigma is real around this right and so you might be hearing me going
Starting point is 01:20:51 well no this is nuts you can't how dare you yeah you think you think cannabis is you think cannabis is hard to just demystify in 2023 guess guess what's harder freaking mushrooms yeah yeah it is yeah here's a thing uh marijuana smells so bad yeah it does suicide there's no smell i just tell you you can make a bunch of strains can someone make the stinkless strain i really no kidding I got a question. Kim makes me this amazing. She makes amazing, like, homemade mushroom soup for me all the time. It's so good. It's one of my favorite things in the world. Is it possible to do that with these without having it be macro dose? Like, could they do, is there a strain of these things? We're just like a little teeny bit in there, but it's still also really good soup. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Okay. That's what I want. I'm sure. That's the future. A restaurant where everything is a microdose is something delicious. Yeah, sure. I mean, you can just basically do that by putting a little bit of an actual measure. mushroom into the mushroom soup with all the other mushrooms. The problem with magic mushrooms is that they taste horrible.
Starting point is 01:21:58 They ruin everything. They ruin everything. Okay. So you have to find something else. But I think, I mean, I think as time goes on, I mean, even just take what was unfathomable to you in your high school years that exists now and everyone just goes, okay. Right? Like that will be this.
Starting point is 01:22:15 And it will be, you know, these will be prescribed. Some version of this will be prescribed at some point. they will be, I mean, that's my prediction. I could be wrong, but, you know, you just cannot ignore someone is on death's door, suicidal, their treatment, their depression has never been treated and they've done literally everything and this thing works. Yeah. And not that it cures everything and they're perfectly fine forever, but it's longer lasting. The side effects are way less like there's just really exciting things that are coming out of this but like all things we touch and do we make it stupid and worse and uh but in the end the the goal is to help people now
Starting point is 01:22:58 when you're struggling and you maybe think it's not working with the therapist i have or i can't find a therapist i can't afford this or um everything i've tried isn't working i've read everything whatever and this is what i'm going to do you're at risk of maybe not getting the best help. So maybe this concern of the e-mailer might also just be once they educate themselves a little more on this stuff. And I'll send you some links. So for example, fireside project is one of the maps. MAPS. It's a foundation working for on the clinical research with psilocybin and MDMA, the Beckley Foundation. E-R-O-W-I-D is a great source for dosing and sourcing and all things. You know, these are these are, these are,
Starting point is 01:23:45 Lots of people who can teach you and help you understand. And you might say, oh, well, they have an agenda. Okay, great. Then find something that criticizes it. I mean, I went through, I read a bunch today just to, you know, prep myself. And I read a bunch of like, here's our concerns. Here is our concerns. And all the concerns from any angle is just maybe we don't know enough and we need to be careful.
Starting point is 01:24:07 But we are not seeing the kinds of things that, you know, other treatments people use to survive their life, have serious side effects. Yeah, the ones that aren't, the ones that aren't, the ones that aren't demonized and maybe should be are the ones that hurt people. It really is frustrating to me that, that we take so long as a, I don't want to talk about everybody in the world, maybe, maybe others are leaping way ahead of us, but at least here, it just feels like we're so resistant to what we see is like a moral, historical moral item, you know, like mushrooms or weed or whatever it may be.
Starting point is 01:24:44 It's just like, we can't get over ourselves. It's like, well, my grandpa said this. How could that not have been true? Well, your grandpa didn't know any better. Right. Yeah, science was a lot different, a lot less understood. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:24:56 1988. Did you see the hair they had at the time? Oh, yeah. And that's the first time they had an SSRI, which you look at the numbers of how many people are in SSRI. I mean, you look at the numbers of people who struggle with depression in this world and the, you know, including like, the um you know second leading cause of death or whatever it may be right you look at all those numbers and go okay we got we we got to do something and to find something that is helpful with way less side effects and and and actually is effective especially for people who have been
Starting point is 01:25:29 suffering just for so long it's hard not to get excited about it really is so if a little research would go a long way before you go and have this conversation because what you're doing is you're going in with not not enough knowledge to then express a concern. So once your concern is a little more educated, right, you might still think, I don't love this. This sucks. And I don't want anyone who is married to my sister doing this thing. And then, but get some more knowledge, calm yourself down and then have a conversation with your sister about your concerns. You're not a narc. You're not, you know, at this point, whatever this person is, doing is mildly illegal, but one day will be fairly legal, right? Whatever this thing is going to,
Starting point is 01:26:16 you know, I don't know how long that's going to take. But just go to Oregon or Colorado and it's totally legal, right? So you are. Well, we'll test it out for everybody else. Don't worry. Yeah, yeah. Just do some microdosing. We've already decriminalized it here. You know, it's really close to just being offered in dispensaries with everything else. Yeah. And one of one of the main concerns this person wrote is that they don't want this to rub off on their sister. Sure. Like, I love her so dearly. I don't want her microdosing.
Starting point is 01:26:46 Yeah. And here's the thing about that. Yeah. Once again, this is just such a bit, such, I mean, it's not criticizing. I understand the fear. I totally, I get it. Of course, because you're around people. You're going to do the things they do.
Starting point is 01:26:57 Absolutely. But it's a fear, it's a fear based on fear. It's just fear based on fear. But also, let's be clear, microdosing is not recreational. It isn't fun. It's not like, Friday night, it is. You're not getting the big.
Starting point is 01:27:10 You're not high from it. You're not like chilling and sticking your head out of the freaking sunroof in your car like an idiot. This is different than that. No, and if you have good information, you're not, you're taking a small amount every 48 hours because that's how it's done. You know, like if you're doing it right, this is not drug abuse in any form. You're taking more drugs.
Starting point is 01:27:31 Every one of us is taking more drugs than maybe someone doing some microdosing of something every three days right like it's however if your sister's wife is treating anxiety depression mental illness in some form that doesn't rub off on the other person so your sister wouldn't need to be microdosing unless she's also suffering those things right yeah yeah that is funny that the the writer didn't go into detail about why his sisters what is yes because if this is is just for funsies all right then that's a different thing then you're doing it wrong with micro dosing. Yeah, you are wasting money.
Starting point is 01:28:10 Yeah, go get some medibles or something, yeah. And some people like to think, and there's studies on this too, of like, okay, this makes my brain feel sharper, dress better, I'm funnier. Like, we're trying to find a magic pill. That is the human way, right? And it's not. You can't not still do your work. And like, this doesn't solve childhood trauma.
Starting point is 01:28:31 This does not heal wounds in relationships. What it does is gives your brain. a chance to not be stuck in repetitive, ruminating suicidal thinking. It gives your brain a chance to, you know, because it's growing some new dendrites to have some other neural connections that matter, right? But that work does not come because you're just ignoring everything else and dropping a little tablet every 48 hours. Like it just doesn't, that's not how this works. What if I took? What if I microdosed and the first thing I see is a vision of me chasing you through the house with a cold soldering iron that you think is hot and threatening to burn you with it
Starting point is 01:29:07 over and over on repeat until the thing wears off that doesn't sound like a good trip see that's the worry i would have i'm using my example here but my worry would be if you said microdose if microdosing if that ever happened you have too much that's not a microdose you are no you're talking about a real dose right all of a sudden help you remember that the actual memory is wendy chasing you around the house of the hot soldering iron and you blacked it out then that Now we're getting to the gritty and the nitty here. Yeah, I just, I just, I guess I'm, so if somebody asked me, hey, Scott, would you do this? Of course I would do this.
Starting point is 01:29:43 I would totally try this because I've talked to people who's, who's microdosing regimen with, again, with a professional, seems to have changed their life for the better in, like, drastic ways. And I'm hesitant to ever go, oh, somebody found a magic thing. but knowing them as I know them and knowing their experiences it sounds like you know I hate the word miracle drug but it sounds like that you know like wow finally something after all the years they dealt with this all the therapy all the other treatments all this other stuff nothing worked not really not in the long term and it's not like this person I almost said their name this person has done the work like you're always saying do your work
Starting point is 01:30:27 and they've always done their work but it just it wasn't enough you know know to get over whatever hump there was and then this was it and it was like this revelation for them and so i i am i'm on anyone argue with that yeah i'm on team like let's demystify it demonize it and make it happen for and help people and also it'd be nice if the biotech world wouldn't swoop in and decide to charge 400% higher for it than they need to yeah that'd be good love i know that'd be good because that sucks and yeah he smelled an opportunity and the people need it and here we go. But like taking SSRIs as a thing that has
Starting point is 01:31:06 destigmatized a little bit over time. Someone's on an antidepressant. They might just say it at work or you know, like it's just a little more open and as a new generation is more open, maybe you hear more things like that. That, that, those drugs have side effects and sometimes they don't work at all. And the premise they're built on, we're really questioning now that the serotonin
Starting point is 01:31:30 imbalance is a thing now it's really helpful for some and then it has not been helpful for others like it is not that's the hard thing with the brain we it's like we're opening the trunk of a car and we're pouring oil all over and hoping some of it gets in the right place and that is crappy when we really want black and white answers and understanding but i mean we'll we'll get there and this is one piece of figuring out some of that and relieving distress in the meantime And so I hear where this person is coming from. I really would encourage them to, you know, do some more research on their own before they make any conversation rather than having, you know, explain to me what your partner is doing or I don't want you to get hurt before you really know much about it. There is, it's a Netflix series.
Starting point is 01:32:23 Is it Hamilton's Pharmacopia or something? Have you heard of this? Oh, yeah. It is Netflix, I think. I think it's Netflix. That, if you want to just sit on your butt and you don't want to Google, watch that. And you will see this, none of this is about, like, his is just traveling around the world and understanding it and trying to understand the cultural connection to these things.
Starting point is 01:32:44 And, you know, just you don't have to go do drugs because you are learning about this. And maybe that's some stuff from yesterday year where good people do certain things and bad people do other things. And I will not do what bad people do. Yeah. And really, you know, so I get why this can be a little bit scary. But your sister and your relationship with her matter, obviously, very much to you. Yeah. So if I said, hey, your sister's wife is on antidepressants, would you go and confront her about that?
Starting point is 01:33:16 Because you're worried she'll go on out of depressants as well. Or is it more that the stigma of this is maybe what's driving in. That's a great way to frame it. That's exactly that I was trying to come up with in my head is how would you frame it so you could see the fallacy in it. And that's it. That's it right there. If your sister said, hey, I'm taking her into therapy and they're going to start her on a, you know, well, butrin regimen or something. You wouldn't, you wouldn't even bat an eye. You'd just say, oh, well, good luck. And I hope your insurance is okay. I hope that doesn't rub off on my sister. Yeah, nobody does that. Or depending
Starting point is 01:33:51 how you were raised, you might be like, oh, no, we don't do that. We rub butter on it, right? Like some of this maybe old stuff that runs deep because how did mom and dad talk about mental health, right? I mean, I work with a lot of folks when I'm like, okay, so how did they, how did your parents think of mental health? And I'm like, oh, you didn't have it. You just shoved it all in and never spoke of it, right? And so everyone's different. They come from different places.
Starting point is 01:34:16 And, you know, it helps, you know, when our dad would juice wheat grass to feel better. Yep. That we're like, oh, I guess there's different ways. He'd spend an hour in the corner hypnotizing himself to try to find his wallet or his keys or whatever. And he was always doing these little things. And they were all kind of coping mechanisms. He was biohacking himself. Yeah, he was biohacking.
Starting point is 01:34:37 Yeah, which means, see that. It's easy to see that and laugh because we certainly did. But I see it differently today. When I see people do stuff like that, I see desperation. Not desperation in a sad way, but a need. Yeah. And it's somebody who's trying to do the best they can to address. dress the knee because other traditional stuff has not done it for them. So what else are you going
Starting point is 01:35:00 to do when you're that desperate and you don't have the right help? It's like, you know, that's where it's at. So it'd be nice if we didn't have to do that for ourselves. And access is a problem, right? Like if I, I've got to go smear butter on my brain thinking that's what I got to do. And that's my first attempt. You know, all of the other things you really should try beforehand. Sometimes it's cost prohibitive. Sometimes it's just logistically prohibitive. There's there's challenges and there are people trying to solve that problem and navigate this and figure it out and believe me no one's got this down elsewhere in the world we're we're actually a little more advanced than everybody in this yeah um in terms of just you know and the joke is i mean
Starting point is 01:35:42 i have a couple british people in my life who are like oh americans always going to therapy and it makes me laugh and i'm always like well stiff upper lip see how that works for you Yeah, good luck to you. It's tricky. And so you may just feel, and this is where those risks can come in. You're desperate or you're not getting good information. You talk to your doctor about it and they're like, what? You know, like you can feel, this can be a little tricky.
Starting point is 01:36:08 So lots of resources out there to get some basic education on this and feel maybe a little better. And then I'm going to say something weird here, but just take your sister out to lunch and like check on her. See how she's doing. make sure she's good and happy and like you're you have more influence than you ever knew and it's not going to be because you're coming in saying I'm a narc yeah you should announce it that way just walk in I'm an arc rub some butter on it and then run get out and you know maybe get real like I don't understand this and I'd like to understand it you know rather than you're some police you're not you just don't know what this is and so yeah it can come as a shock if you
Starting point is 01:36:52 A, don't know what it is, and B, all you have is the demonization of the thing that you just heard about. And so if that's all you come with, you've got to reach out and get more. Got a little more. We've got a quick follow up here from somebody. I just noticed this in my inbox. I want to read it to you. This is about last week and what we talked about at the beginning, our can't statement and all that. This is from Barbara who says, hi, Scott, Brian, and Wendy.
Starting point is 01:37:12 I just listened to the show last week. And I decided to try changing my can't statement to a don't statement. I didn't really define my can't statement. but the don't statement was clear and it worked. I found myself reaching for the bed or the bad habit. The bad habit twice that night, both times my don't statement came into my head and I didn't do the bad habit. Yay me.
Starting point is 01:37:34 Thank you for all the great advice and weird analogies over the years, Barbara. Yeah, it's awesome. I love it. Cool. Yeah. So if you need to change it to a don't statement, that's okay. Yeah. Re-listen to last week.
Starting point is 01:37:46 And if that doesn't work for you, you can microdose mushrooms. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Go back 10 years and I can't even hear that coming out of your face, but there it is. Oh, it is like I, 180 for me, 100%. I would have never thought that because I just had no idea until I've learned. And I have, because I have access to stuff y'all don't have, which is I get to watch like the best in the world do therapy in trainings. And I'm watching them work with, you know, my methodology that I work and do and I love and I love. I think is really effective with someone who has used psilocybin and then sort of as they're processing afterwards. And it's like, it's like cheating. It's like skipping 50 sessions.
Starting point is 01:38:36 I'm like, what am I watching? It's amazing. Amazing. But that's, of course, in the confines of a monitored, well-run situation. And so it's exciting. Sure. A well-regulated militia. Wait, that's a different thing.
Starting point is 01:38:49 Yeah, exactly. excellent well as always a pleasure hanging out and talking to you and people should check out real heaps real steps dot org you got a bunch of promo for that earlier today because amy was here amy robinson oh yeah amy who yes uh it's good we're we're wrapping up our last week we'll have another session in the fall we have a couple of different other things happening i will let people know but you can put your email i i promise i will not spam you at all i'm very bad at the email but uh real steps dot org just so we know how to find you yeah she's not going to spam you could She doesn't really know how to do that.
Starting point is 01:39:22 And so take heart. Take heart in that. I'm terrible at the spam. You start microdosing before you know it. You'll be a brilliant hacker and programmer, Wendy. Yes. And then next week, I have a really cool thing. I'm going to ask you guys to help me with it.
Starting point is 01:39:38 I just can't forget. If I forget, so I'm just telling you to remind me. So next week, we just say. You've met us, right? Like, you know, we're not the anchor by which you should chain your don't forget, Is anybody in the chat willing to remind us next week? There we go. That's much better.
Starting point is 01:39:56 Much better. We'll remember to say something. We'll just go, hey, you had a thing. And then you'll go, oh, shoot, I forgot to do it or whatever. Yeah, perfect. This is how the sausage is made, everyone. Go make your sausage. This sounds great.
Starting point is 01:40:09 Say hi to the kids, the family, and the what-nots. And we'll see you next time. Bye now. Okay, bye. Bye. All right. That was pretty great. I don't know a lot about that world either,
Starting point is 01:40:21 so it's interesting to hear about it. Yeah, for sure. Somebody famous the other day I was saying it changed their whole freaking outlook. Oh, comedian Bill Burr always talks about it. Oh, really? Interesting. He micro-dosed in the method Wendy's talking about, and he just says everything's different.
Starting point is 01:40:40 Yeah, just changed everything. I mean, he's still kind of a sassy comedian, but, you know, it changed things. All right. We're going to be done here. And to do that, we have to say goodbye. However, oh, I'm on the wrong screen. Here we go. There it is. I do want to mention some cores, some shows that are coming up. No coverville today. You're in the return mode right now. Sorry. I didn't. Yeah. Even though I'm here and I could do a show, I didn't have the time to prep one for this week. So we're taking the week off, which. Nothing wrong with that. Which, nothing wrong with that at all. Once in a while, you've got to do that to yourself. But tonight, you'll be getting Core at 5 p.m. He'll be getting a skim later today.
Starting point is 01:41:22 Kim's coming in the office. We're going to sit down. She won't complain, but she'll look around at my messy office and just kind of make a face. That's how that'll go. Just, test. Yeah. I need to clean it. And I guess the connection tomorrow before Playdate, that'll be good.
Starting point is 01:41:35 Right. So there you do get some covers for me this week and a chance to win some prizes. I think I'm giving away a pair of 90s X-Men. animated series glasses. So there's a rogue and a Wolverine with artwork from the 90s animated X-Men series, which is getting its comeback later this year
Starting point is 01:41:53 from Disney Plus. Yeah, I'm excited about that. I'm not sure quite what to expect, but I'm excited to find out. Someone in the chat mentioned it, and I tweeted it earlier, but they announced this morning they're doing a Scott Pilgrim anime
Starting point is 01:42:07 on Netflix, a series. And everybody's coming back. Yeah, the whole cast. Everybody. Yeah. That's amazing. and Michael Sarah and... Yeah, everybody, Chris Evans, all those guys.
Starting point is 01:42:18 And it's going to be... It's because they can do that from anywhere, really. Right. Executive produced by the director, getting his name all of a sudden. Not Simon Pegg. Not Edgar Wright. Edgar Wright, that's it, Edgar Wright.
Starting point is 01:42:31 It is Edgar Wright. Yeah, the one that works with Simon Pegg all the time. Right. Yeah, so that looks awesome and is very exciting. Oh, also, we mentioned it, play date, 10 to noon tomorrow. So we'll have a two-hour block there to play among us with the community. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:46 Yep. So come on by. You don't have to be a patron to be there. Although patrons will get first added to games. So if you want to play with us, you're going to want to be a patron. But even then, there's often room on the tail end for extra people. Always room. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:04 So we are going to be playing that and having a blast. That'll be tomorrow 10 a.m. to noon mountain time. And then FilmSack this weekend, we're finally, finally, watching Cobra. Yay! I guess we got a hurry. Because Randy might have been right. I think maybe they're dropping it on the first.
Starting point is 01:43:20 Really? Yeah, I was so sure he was going to be wrong on this, and I think he might have been right. Which service is it? HBO, I think. And I think HBO lists when something's leaving. That's what I was going to go check and see. I think last time I checked they did that.
Starting point is 01:43:36 Jeez. God, because they, you know, it feels like they just got it. I don't know how long it's been up there, but it can't have been up there a super long time or we would have noticed that. Somebody would have said, hey. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:50 Yeah, this one doesn't say leaving soon. Doesn't? Okay. Maybe we're okay. Maybe we're all right. Yeah. I mean, we're definitely all right for the next couple of days, everybody. So if you want to sneak it and get in quick.
Starting point is 01:44:01 Yeah, just do it. If you're planning on doing it, do it. Yeah. But I am rather stoked because it's like our white whale. It just keeps being available. and then going somewhere, and we're like, oh, damn it, we're not going to get it. It pops up with the little head, a little cobra head, and then pops it back down. Yeah, so I'm all in on catching it this time.
Starting point is 01:44:20 Featuring music by Miami Sound Machine and John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown band. Good Lord. Yay. Good Lord. Get that soundtrack, Brian. Get that whole, get that on vinyl. Oh, sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:33 Sounds good to me. Cobra. Who said this, Icor? Cobra, two female detectives have to share underwear. That's a great idea. No, but it's not that. The Traveling Bra. Yeah, I like that a lot.
Starting point is 01:44:44 Anyway, there's your line up coming up. It's all up on the calendar as well, so check that out. Please join us on our Patreon. If you have not already, we are nearing the end of the month in the beginning of a brand new month. There's no reason why not to hop in now because you'll be eligible for all the stuff we send out and do in the month of April. It's going to be a busy month. There's TMS Vegas in there and all that other stuff, but being a patron will help it all happen. So go to patreon.com slash TMS today and sign up.
Starting point is 01:45:10 We're going to get out of here now, but I can't go unless there's a music song. Well, I've got a music song for you. Music song tune. This one going out to Chad Rasmussen, Rasmussen, Rasmussen, Rasmussen, probably. Hi, bacon and sausage. Let's say that one. Today, which both were on my plate, my full Irish. And then I left an empty of it and wrecked a casino bathroom.
Starting point is 01:45:34 Today, I'm requesting a song for my 50th go around the sun. Oh my gosh, 50? Shit. Let's party. It's half a century, man. That is. I couldn't decide it on a song, so I'm leaving it up to the covermaster. I'm a slip knot, especially Corey Taylor, foo fighters,
Starting point is 01:45:52 Florence of the Machine, and in this moment fan. So anything you think would fit among those would be great. I'm Dayron in Discord, and the rare times I get to listen live in Twitch. I'm that too. I'll be attending my first TMS Vegas this year, so I'm really looking forward to meeting both of you in person, us too. Before I go, can I hear Veronica? enjoying some sausage and maybe Scott
Starting point is 01:46:12 making one of his weird scared noises. Oh, sure. So here's Veronica. Let's see. I know I have it. Sausage. Okay. And boy, it just seems to go forever.
Starting point is 01:46:27 And then... God, it really does. Where's me screaming? Hold on. No, that's a honking sound. Let's see. No. No.
Starting point is 01:46:35 Hold on. Where is that? I have that handy. Here it is. There you. go. Enjoy. The good news is I'm playing Resident Evil 4 remake now, and every Tuesday at 5pm, you can
Starting point is 01:46:50 hear me do that more. So check it out. Fantastic. Anyway. All right. All right. So how about a cover of All My Life by Foo Fighters? This one came from the BBC Radio Live Lounge, 2013.
Starting point is 01:47:02 It's a nice, almost acoustic, but not fully acoustic, take on all my life. This one performed by Frank Turner. Of course, like I said, back in 2013 for Live Lounge. Great, great rendition. Hope you'll enjoy it. Frank Turner, All My Life by Foo Fighters. All right. For everybody else that won't see us this weekend, we'll see you on Monday.
Starting point is 01:47:31 All my life, I've been searching for something, something never comes, never leads to nothing, nothing, nothing, that's right, but I'm getting. close closer to the prize at the end of the row all night long yeah I dream of the day when it comes around then it's taken away leaves me in the feeling that I feel the most feeling comes alive when I see your ghost And you have such a delicate wrist And if I give it a twist Something to hold when I lose my breath I'll find something in that Give me just what I need Another reason to bleed
Starting point is 01:48:25 One by one hidden on my sleeve One by one hidden on my sleeve Hey, don't let it go to waste I love it but I hate the taste Wait, keeping me down. Hate, let it go to waste. I love it, but I hate the taste. Wait, keeping me down.
Starting point is 01:48:57 Will I find a believer, another one who believes, another one to deceive over and over. down on my knees and if I get any closer and if you open up wide and if you let me inside on and on I got nothing to hide on and on I got nothing to hide hey don't let it go to waste I love it but I hate the taste way keeping me down hey don't let it go to waste I love it but I hate to take it away, keeping me down. Done, done on in the next one, done and done and I'm on the next. Done, done on the next one, done and done and I'm on the next.
Starting point is 01:50:00 Done, done On to the next one Done and done And I'm on to the next Done done on to the next Done done I'm done Out of all to the next Hey don't let it go to waste
Starting point is 01:50:15 I love it but I hate the tape Way keeping me down Hey don't let it go to waste I love it but I hate to take Way, keeping me down. Done, done, on the next one, done, and I'm on to the next. Done, done, on to the next one. Done, done, on the next one, done, and I'm on to the next.
Starting point is 01:50:49 Done, done on the next one, done, and I'm on to the next. If you like what you just heard, there's a very good chance you will like all the shows on the FrogPants Network. Get more at FrogPants.com. Let's see some activity!

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