The Morning Stream - TMS 2456: Bed, Bugs and Beyond!

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

Pour Some Coffee On Me. I Don't Like Rapid Unscheduled Disassemblyyyyyy. Vending Machines, They Have the Meats. Without me, how would my headache get around. A Bicycle Built For Chuck. You're wallowin...g in your own Filth Jerry (Kramer). That one gets in my cheese and melts it. Caffeine Bear. Open the Pod Bay Doors, Brian. You Almost Became a Bear Sandwich! Once There Was This Guy Who Sang Karaoke and Came Down to Vegas. If drunk karaoke singers are know for anything, itâs coordination. They Call Me Caramelo. Teats on the Moon with Amy. Third Eagle of the Therapists with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:34 Pour some coffee on me. I don't like rapid unscheduled disassembly. Vending machines. They have the meats. Without me, how would my headache get around? A bicycle built for Chuck. You're wallowing in your own filth, Jerry. That one gets in my cheese and melts it.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Caffeine bear. Open the pod bay doors, Brian. You almost became a bear. sandwich. Once there was this guy who sang karaoke and came down to Vegas. If drunk karaoke singers are known for anything, it's coordination. They call me caramel. Teets on the moon with Amy. Third Eagle of the Therapist with Wendy and Moore on this episode of The Morning Stream. We'll only air episodes involving whales and really big sea creatures. Isn't that every episode?
Starting point is 00:01:26 I could host on location from the Caribbean with a few humpbacks. Maybe a giant sea horse. That's ridiculous. Obey your air, Red Lord. The morning stream. We're back. We're bad. You're black.
Starting point is 00:01:50 I'm mad. I don't have any memory of what. That's about, why isn't this turning down? That was lethal weapon two, I think? Was it? Yes. Somebody wrote that in a screen. Well, you know, it's certainly possible that was improvised because I think a lot of the lethal weapon stuff was improvised.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Yeah, it must have been, yeah, because what I have is I have a whole bunch of ancient Fletcher clips that aren't, they're not new. Some people think they're new, like he's giving me new ones. But some of them are just really old that we never used for Filmsack as a movie got bumped or I held on to his little intro bits or whatever. Yeah. And now they make for really good TMS intros. So that's what we got here. Perfect. Yeah. Especially, especially that one, which is not even on the first page of dumbest things that Mel Gibson has ever said. No, there's a whole list, man. We don't even want to get into that, do we? Yeah. I do not. Well, anyway, hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian Nibbitt. And we have a show for you. Hello.
Starting point is 00:02:52 Yeah. It's a Thursday. And there's a lot going on around here. I want to remind people of the morning forum. We're not going to actually give. it away on Monday because it won't be here. We'll be in Las Vegas. That's right. But the winner will be picked the following Monday, and then we'll do a new one and all that. So anyway, if you haven't already entered, go do it frogpants.com slash the morning forum. A frogpants fun pack is on the line, and you could be the random winner. So go check that out. Frogpants fun pack. I hear some coffee. That really wakes me up to hear it. I don't even have to drink it. Do you hear me pouring the coffee? Yeah. Isn't that weird? I have a psychosomatic.
Starting point is 00:03:27 My diner craft. Hey, honey, can I refill your coffee? I feel a weird sense of like, I don't need the caffeine that's in there, but me hearing it does something to my head. That's weird. Oh, it's great. Does Kim drink coffee or no? She does, and she has
Starting point is 00:03:43 all sorts of fancy tastes and that sort of stuff. So let's see you guys go to a diner. Yeah. And having your breakfast, you get your coffee, and Kim puts, does she a sugar and cream? She'll do some cream, a little sugar, maybe. She's more of a like, ooh, what weird flavor do you have here?
Starting point is 00:04:02 Gotcha. Like, oh, a hazelnut. Yeah. Blah. Yeah, okay, gotcha. Yeah, she'll try that. So then she doesn't, she probably isn't then getting the refills when they come around and say, could I refill your coffee?
Starting point is 00:04:13 Oh, right. Yeah, not normally, I guess, yeah. Yeah, Tina works very hard on getting just the right balance of sugar and cream until it's, until the coffee is just perfect. and then she drinks some and then when the waitress comes around or the server comes around to say can I top you off
Starting point is 00:04:33 she physically blocks sometimes with both hands her coffee because she's gotten it to exactly the right flavor profile oh wait so she'll like go like hands over cup like like she'll just
Starting point is 00:04:47 especially if her mouth is full you know she'll be like like cover it up like no try try pouring that coffee through my hand into the cup just try it Oh, man, that's hardcore. Yeah, but she is, you know, I'm like, oh, sure, I've already, I've already, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:04 splendid and creamed mine. Tell them. That's a title right there. Yeah. And I don't care if, like, they top it off and it's like, oh, well, now it's a little bit more coffee flavored. How is it? Oh, it's very good.
Starting point is 00:05:15 It's a different thing. Yeah, that's crazy. So when she does it, is she just, like, full on, like, here's, here's a little creamer, here's a little sugar, and she's going, taste it. Yeah, it is. A little taste. M. Nope, a little more sugar. Nope, a little more creamer. And it's not a far-fetched thing to see Tina after her first cup of coffee with an array of empty little plastic creamer cups and scattered sugar packets, partially and full, partially empty, partially full. I love it. I love it. It's quirky and weird. I love it. It is totally quirky and weird.
Starting point is 00:05:55 but that's way lover that's great here's some here's some quirky this is just in we got breaking news oh good breaking news it's almost it's almost a terrible use of the word
Starting point is 00:06:07 because it's kind of well you'll get why SpaceX had a big important launch today and they launched their Starship rocket and it was a big deal and what I love about it was
Starting point is 00:06:18 this is my favorite thing they did a little report afterwards and this was the quote from SpaceX directly as if the flight test was not exciting enough, the Starship experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly before stage separation. Disassembly.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Yeah. A forceful disassembly. So I'm going to start saying rapid unscheduled disassembly. Anytime something breaks, explodes, pops, whatever I need. A tire blows out. Oh, what happened? My tire had a rapid unscheduled disassembly. That is a, that's as great a euphemism as a
Starting point is 00:06:53 conscious uncoupling. That's all so good. We didn't break up. We had a conscious uncoupling. Yeah. It feels like they're trolling us just a little bit by calling it that. That's right. I beat you Jeannie Saras.
Starting point is 00:07:07 By the way, I know that there's a delay on the chat. Yeah. But I, Scott can verify. I said that right before you typed in chat. Confirmed. But it also says that you're both of the same mind and also quality smart people. Yes. So well done, you guys.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Well, but done to both of you. You're the bestsaurus, I should say. Oh, yeah. You're not a prickosaurus, which is what we used to call people we didn't like in high school. You're a prickisaurus. Prickosaurus. Yeah, if it was somebody super rude, like they'd say, you know, what do you think of, I don't know, Terry? And I'd go, that dude's a prickosaurus.
Starting point is 00:07:40 That's how you'd say. I don't know why. That was just the thing that stuck, and we did it all the time. Okay, we got a morning form reminder. We've done that. How about a great Vegas question in the form of a call, Brian? How about that? Love it.
Starting point is 00:07:53 I love Vegas questions. All right, good. Send me your Vegas questions. Here it is. I'll play it. Hey, Brian and Scott. This is for TMS. This is Andy.
Starting point is 00:08:00 I hope y'all are doing well. We've got TMS Vegas coming up next week, and I'm excited about that. I'm going. I'm going to karaoke night. And that got me thinking of this question to ask you all. I'm wondering if you could sound like any singer that you wanted to, any singer that you wanted to, who would it be? For me, I think it's either Chris Cornell, just because.
Starting point is 00:08:22 He's just got an amazing voice and can be so much energy and, you know, so much passion, you know, just from one moment to the next. Or it's Brad Roberts, the crash test dummy guy. Yeah, I like that he did a little sample at the end. That was great. Yeah. Brad Roberts is, I think, an even better pick. I love Chris Cornell's voice. I think there, you know, nobody, just like the title of his cover album.
Starting point is 00:08:52 nobody sings like him anymore. That's true. But in the context of like getting up and doing karaoke, there's no better choice than the Crash Test Emmys guy. Because it's just so awesome. You get up there and go, doesn't mean what the song is. Yeah, but he doesn't have, I love Brad Roberts.
Starting point is 00:09:12 I know there's a great, he did a great solo album, a live album called Crash Test Dude. And he covers things like Androgyny. He covers, he covers, he does some old crash test dummy songs. But I feel like, you know, people are going to get sick of you going up there. At first I was afraid. I was petrified. Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side.
Starting point is 00:09:38 I don't know. You're selling me on it, though. Really? Yeah. You're selling me on it. I don't know. Maybe I would get tired of it. But I like it.
Starting point is 00:09:46 You could be my silver spring. I love that Superman song he does. I could hear that right now. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. So who would you choose? What do you got? Adele.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Listen, if I could sing like Adele, hell yes. Yeah, why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? Yeah, especially in her, like, even her high-pitched female voice. Imagine that coming from Brian from a stage. No, I will tell you exactly who it is.
Starting point is 00:10:19 and people are going to go, who? As if I just said Starlord. But I'm going to say Paul Carrick, and there's maybe eight people in the audience who are saying, oh, Paul Carrick, good choice. So Paul Carrick, you know from Squeeze. He was lead singer, he only was with the band for two albums, two albums about 15 years apart.
Starting point is 00:10:40 But his big song with Squeeze was tempted. Tempted by the fruit of another. Oh, that song's great. That song is great. But he was also with Michael McCann. panics for a long time, and their biggest hits, Silent Running. Can you hear me running?
Starting point is 00:10:55 Can you hear? And what was the one about his father? Say it loud. Say it clear. You can listen as well. Yeah, that one. He's got some cool music. Dude has some amazing range,
Starting point is 00:11:11 and one of the most controlled, soulful voices still sounds absolutely amazing but um all right yeah paul carrick if i could sound like anybody freaking paul carrick okay without a question that sounds fair he's done oh man he's done songs with linda ronstadt the eagles
Starting point is 00:11:31 diana ross tom jones michael mcdonald hey that ho you go from somewhere back in a lot of the oh no no please give me a sandwich Maybe throw some change I miss that guy
Starting point is 00:11:50 He was not dead I think he's still alive No he's still alive Yeah he's still alive Yeah he's still with us Elton John Eric Clapton Rocks music man that guy
Starting point is 00:12:00 Busy Ringo Star Yeah Like here's what you do And I'll bet I haven't even looked But I'll bet if you go into Apple Music And say Paul Carrick Essentials or something like that
Starting point is 00:12:10 You will get a playlist That will blow your mind as far as the range, the width and breadth of his music. Yeah. See, in my concept of this is, how goofy do I want to be? Do I want to be, thank you, dear. Do I want to be like...
Starting point is 00:12:29 Tiny Tim? Yeah, or something. You know, like Ronnie James Dio doing feelings or something, you know? Like just a... Like one of those metal hair guys. Rob Halford or something. Yeah, yeah. Something like that where everyone's just like, whoa, I can't believe that
Starting point is 00:12:44 version of uh i don't know what's a what's a what's a what's a karaoke staple uh total eclipse of the heart total eclipse of the heart is it really i don't know if it really is you know what that's a really good question i bet that uh jeez cara caravan and all these karaoke apps should be able to tell you what the most karaoke song is i'll bet it's different now than it was 20 years ago but 20 years ago clearly it was it was total eclipse of the heart well let's see what billboard says Oh, is there like a billboard chart of most karaokeed music? There's one that's, it's, they're just, their list is the greatest 100 karaoke songs. So this might be just their picks.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Okay. I think it's just their picks, but let me see if I can find. Oh, sweet Caroline's got to be up there. Yeah. So it's number one, number one they claim is Shania Twain's man, I feel like a woman in 1998. Oh, God, yeah. It's, oh my God, we're here at this bachelorette party. We should totally get up there and do, man, I feel like a woman.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Let's get all six of us up there. They're totally drunk. Yep, you're not wrong. And then for the men, it's, uh, or maybe the women still. Backstreet boys, I want it that way as number two. Ah, wow, man, my fire, my one. And you see the little dot going. Desire.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Yeah, and it's always videos of, uh, some random couple walking on the beach, uh, with the, with the words in front of it. Yep. That's the rule. There's also, they got Gloria Gaynor's, I will survive. It's a pretty good one. I did that one with my Brad Roberts. You got your queen bohemian rhapsody. You might make sense.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Oh, that's a bad choice. Sorry, but... Bad choice? I think bad choice. Because there's so much going on in that song. You're not going to be able to do, you know, oh, mama me, mama me, a mama me, let me go Biosie bubub, and which, you know, there's harmonies going on there. Which voice do you do for B.LZBub's got a devil put aside for me?
Starting point is 00:14:38 Yeah. You'd have to have, it has to be mandatory multiple people at once, and they'd have to be coordinated in a way that's it have to be organized and one of you only one of you can do anyway the wind blows yep and it has to be the guy that can go a little high uh lady gaga and bradley cooper shallow from that movie uh the star is born dale is what they have uh alanus maurcettes the you ought to know is number six okay that's that's uh i'm drunk and i'm gonna do this because i'm pissed off that's right i'm mad i got a jagged pill stuck somewhere and i'm mad um Number seven, they have Nikki Menard. By the way, I want to commend to you, this might be the first time you haven't said bitterest. Yeah, I got it right. For Alonis Morrison. I got it right.
Starting point is 00:15:21 I have a little post-it note right here that says, never say that again. Alonis equals bitterest, or Alonis equals jagged, the jam equals bitterest. That's right. Number seven, a song I don't even know. Maybe I do. Nicky Minaj is Super Bass from 2010. Do we know that? Yeah, we probably know it.
Starting point is 00:15:37 I can't, I wouldn't know people too well. I do not know what that is. Garth Brooks, Friends in Low Places. I don't want to be at that karaoke I don't need to hear that song ever again Thanks to the 90s and being a wedding DJ Yeah And I got a lot of
Starting point is 00:15:50 I have fond thoughts about Garth Brooks as a person Sure, oh yeah But I don't like his music for him He's a mensch Yeah Oh Brian number nine Bonnie Tyler total eclipse of the heart There we go
Starting point is 00:15:59 It had to be up there somewhere Finally number 10 Brandy and Monica Singing the boy is mine A boy is mine Sure Okay 98 A lot of 9798's in here
Starting point is 00:16:11 yeah what happened there that's weird isn't it girls just want to have fun there's an old one some of these down the list sure uh four non blogs somewhere some pet benatar on there i'm guessing banatar's in here ritha franklin's respect is a big one yeah uh b 52's love shack it sounds right i do that i got me i cry i do that part sure well let's uh you know there there is going to be a karaoke night uh going on in Vegas and uh we'll will drag you there and The only thing you have to do is, I got me a Chrysler. It's about $20. All right.
Starting point is 00:16:46 You know what? You may have just, I hate karaoke, but you may have just made the one case for what I would be willing to do. I'll get up and do Fred. What's his name, Fred. Schneider. Fred Schneider? Yeah. I'll do that.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Down, down, that guy. He's great. And then we get Claire to go, Ted Roof. That's right. Rusted. Rusted. Yeah. Goddummit. All right. Goddammit. Yeah, there it is. Let's say, oh, a quick fond farewell to my in-laws. Many of you who have come to Nerdtaculars before will remember Steve and Sarah, Kim's sister Sarah and her husband, Steve. They're always there and they're always helping with stuff and kind of a, you know, you'd always see, if we had an event, they were there, if it was local. Anyway, they got, they bought a bunch of land of Mississippi. and they left today in a giant 25-foot truck and three cars that includes them,
Starting point is 00:17:46 their two kids, they're still home, and five dogs because she's a breeder. And so she has to take these dogs with her. I don't know how that's going to go for a 25-hour drive. But they're on their way down there. They're building down there. They've got this amazing property. It's 10 acres, but part of the acreage overlays a lake, and that will be their land. so they can like put a dock on there and you know stock it with fish and all that yeah it's pretty
Starting point is 00:18:14 awesome it's going to take him a while and Steve's going to build like his dream shop and I'm really excited for him but it kind of sucks because they've been here as long as we have her her sister moved up here shortly after Kim did back in the 90s and this is their first time going anywhere else that's like out of state they were in Ohio for a couple of years but anyway fondest farewell they might be listening right now everyone be nice Oscar don't be You need your mom. What else? I hope the dogs don't puke.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Good luck to everybody. Because that dog is a car puker, one of them is. Oh, no. Oh, we got it in 25 hours. I mean, you basically have to just give that dog nothing but liquid. Liquid diet for the whole ride. Yeah, it's funny, though, too, because the other four are all pretty chill, like no big deal, but this one. Just a little bit of a nightmare.
Starting point is 00:19:04 But anyway, we're going to miss him. But they stayed here last night. slept on a mattress because their house is all cleared out and all that stuff. We had five dogs sleeping down here. The mattress. It's the mattress. It's the mattress. We've got to get rid of that mattress.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Got to get rid of the mattress. Yeah. Everybody go watch Hellraiser. Watch Hellraiser. It'll make you, you'll understand. The weirdest out of context comment, I think. I think so, but it works for me. All right, we're going to get Red Fragel in here.
Starting point is 00:19:34 You might know her as Red Fragel or you might know her as Amy. Amy's coming to Vegas, but also a part of the show on the weekly. She does a Thursday episode thing, and we're going to do it right now. One of the things that I enjoy also is reading. Oh, us too. And the reason we enjoy reading, oftentimes, is because our good friend Amy comes by and gives us great recommendations that we can then go read ourselves. Amy, welcome back to the show. Good morning, friends.
Starting point is 00:20:03 You know, every time I hear my little, you know, welcome music, I, I sit here in my chair, my head bops back and forth. And I'm just like, I'm skipping along now on the path. I love it. I love it. There's a little visual, right? A little animated visual that seems to go with that in our heads. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:19 You know, you're our Jordy, or not Jordy Ford. You're our Lavar Burton here. Oh, wow. Personal reader. I do picture Avey with actually like a picnic basket full of books. Yeah. Like you said, skipping down a path with flowers on either side. And perhaps there is a rainbow behind her.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Oh, look. Oh, this is a great visual. Well, it's good to have you here. Take a look. It's in a book. That's right. Take a look. It's in a book. The Reading Rainbow. Hey, you brought something with you this week for reading. That'll be good because, you know, for people who are traveling, maybe overseas for our big event, maybe they could grab this book and read it on the plane.
Starting point is 00:20:53 You know, that sort of thing. Well, in light of that, I actually, as far as the books are concerned, it's several, but they're short. And so today, Friends, is Poetry Day. Oh, Poetry. It's going to be lovely. I'll see you guys in back ten minutes. No, trust me. I'm kidding.
Starting point is 00:21:16 Brian was a, he's a poet at heart, all right? We're going to find out just how much here. All right, go ahead, lay it on us. What do we got? Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. Well, we can start with the clip that I brought. This one, Claire will enjoy this one, I think. Oh, geez.
Starting point is 00:21:29 All right, well, we like doing things she enjoys. Here you go, check it out. The moon's gravity is only one's sixth of ours. My tits will be awesome there. Taking a bath on earth, breasts float. The liver lifts off the kidney. The small of the back arches up and off the bottom of the tub, curling like an in step.
Starting point is 00:21:51 And very quickly, the body forgets forgets everything it knows about gravity and burden bearing. It's a house cat who was whisked through the legs of a visitor out the screen door into the night, and even before she's off the block, she loses all recollection of what her life has been, the food dish in the afternoons, the name you call her, the collar around her neck,
Starting point is 00:22:12 whose tag may as well be blank. There are two ways to end a bath. In the movies, women step out of the tub and into a plush towel, often reflected in a steamed mirror in deference to the sensors. I prefer to pull the plug and let it drain around me. The organs acetyl heavy on each other,
Starting point is 00:22:35 settle heavy on each other. The breasts flattened down against the ribs, hair clings to everything it can, and the body is re-yoked to itself. The posture that was appropriate for floating looks limp and broken now. The steaming human form on the bottom of the tub looks like it might have fallen there.
Starting point is 00:22:56 The porcelain crater, a product of the impact, or maybe it was dropped there from the jaws of the house cat, out all night, play hunting. Whatever you get when you take a bath, the bath, bath takes back and those five-sixths are yours to carry. I absolutely love that. That is awesome. This is the weirdest haiku ever.
Starting point is 00:23:16 I think the syllables are totally wrong on this one. Oh, it's this kind of poetry. He's like, oh, my God, there's like 18,000 too many. Exactly. Wow. All right. So that sounds awesome. Who is this?
Starting point is 00:23:29 She sounds familiar too. I don't know why. Well, her name, her name is Dessa. And she is a hip-hop artist and poet and also a short-story author. She is amazing. And that was called Tits on the Moon. I just loved that. I saw her perform that live.
Starting point is 00:23:50 And I just love the imagery because I do that. I don't know if you guys do that. But like when you take a bath, you know, like she says, you got a choice, right? You can get out when the water's still in there. or you can just sit there while it drains out and as it drains out you get heavier and heavier and I was like oh my god that's so relatable obviously it's been a long time since I've taken a bath I mean I don't know how obvious that is obvious Brian how horrible of a bath it's obvious how long it's been since I've taken it'll be obvious when we get to Vegas
Starting point is 00:24:24 that I've used any cleaning products whatsoever but no I'm not a I'm not a bath person for whatever reason but when I did take baths that's absolutely what I did and it was less about oh let's feel the gravity of stuff like going back where it was when it's not floating
Starting point is 00:24:43 and more about dang it this wet's cold out there I want to be in this warm water as long as possible yeah yeah no that's a good way of putting it and I just did a bath the other night just to sort of self-care chill out relax my muscles kind of thing
Starting point is 00:24:57 and same deal I hit the thing and I listen to that sound of it swirling away and sucking its way out and I just lay there until it's gone. I love it. So she was speaking my language for sure in this as well. And it sounds like even Brian back when he took baths and back in the day.
Starting point is 00:25:14 In 1985. Back in the day. When Brian bathed. When I took care of myself back then. Yeah. Yeah. I have several books that I can recommend with like a little short form poetry. If anybody's interested, these are, some of them are great.
Starting point is 00:25:30 And some of them are, are, in fact, hikus or, you know, just little short poems. One of them in Dessa's book called Spiral Bound, which is it contains poems and also some short stories. But this one is called My New Purpose. Without me, how would my headache get around? That's it. That's the whole poem. That's awesome. I love that.
Starting point is 00:25:58 And then I also wanted to recommend there are a few that you can go out on YouTube. And I'll put links up and everything for all of these because some of them are available on YouTube. Vance Gilbert has a poem called The Day Before November. And it is, I wanted to play that one, but it's like five minutes long. And there's no good place for me to clip it. But just trust me, you want to go listen to Vance. because Vance Gilbert, of course, is a singer-songwriter, but he has this one, you know, one spoken word piece that is so haunting and it's really good.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Never heard the name before, and he's known for this? Like, he's, you know, I should do, should I know him? I feel like I should know him. I don't know. I mean, Brian probably does. But, yeah, Vance Gilbert, he's a singer-songwriter. He has a lot of songs, but they're not like, you know, he's kind of an indie. artist.
Starting point is 00:27:00 No karaoke hits from this guy that you're aware of. No, no, I mean, I would, I would, because Chuck knows how to play a bunch of them on the guitar, so I karaoke that, but that doesn't make it, you know, that doesn't make it so. And then I've mentioned before Jim Infantino, he also has a slim volume of poems. A lot of them are like lyrics to his songs, but there are also some poems in here. like one called I woke. And it says, I woke in the blue morning. You smiled and kissed me.
Starting point is 00:27:34 I rubbed your belly, dissolving all fats, a warm ellipse, a smile, a kiss, and this, and this. And the sky would be out all day. Wow. I love that one. Wow. That one gets into cheese and melts it. That one makes my bottom tingle. Oh, hello.
Starting point is 00:27:54 All right. We're not in Vegas yet. Okay. so yeah these are great i don't mean i probably is it hard these days to know like i feel like if you go to the kindle store or you go to a bookstore even it's pretty obvious what the hot sellers are or what your genres are you know regular book reading is kind of an easy access kind of deal in our modern era but if i walk into a bookstore or even go to amazon or something i don't know what to even look for when it comes to poetry i don't even where to start like it doesn't feel like
Starting point is 00:28:25 even have a section at Barnes and Noble, but I don't know where to go over there and what to browse and who to talk to or, you know, any of that stuff. So how would, how do you suggest finding new and good poetry? Well, okay. Um, you know, ask me for starters, but also and, and I mean, a lot of times, um, Brian might be a good source because like I say, a lot of times singer, songwriters, you know, they'll come up with lyrics first, but then they never quite get a melody down, but they still write the thing down, which is kind of how legitimate gripes came about. And Jim Infantino also used to do like what he called napkin poetry.
Starting point is 00:29:02 Like he'd do these live sets where it was almost, it was just like improved. And, you know, he would write poems on the spot on people's cocktail napkins. Oh, that would be so cool to have something like that, you know. Really, really cool. Yeah. I found out about Dessa from going on the Joko Cruise. She was one of their artists there. And then some of these I just kind of found out about, like, Chuck, Chuck knows about Vance Gilbert because he's one of his favorite artists.
Starting point is 00:29:33 He's also from New England, which is where, you know, Chuck is from Connecticut. So he knew of that. And then you guys may have heard of Taylor Molly before. If you haven't, you should go and look up his poem called What Teachers Make. Taylor Molly is the name? Taylor Molly. I'm writing it down. And like M-A-L-I, what teachers make.
Starting point is 00:29:59 And it's really, really good. And it's, yeah, it's kind of a, it's a bit of a rant from a former English teacher turned poet. But it's, it's really good. My son is freaking out right now because that's his favorite poem ever. Really? He loves it. So he's like, ah, you mentioned my favorite poem. Oh, that's great.
Starting point is 00:30:19 I'm looking through the Amazon store, and I'm trying to figure out if Henry Rollins ever did. Because he does a lot of spoken word stuff, Henry Rollins, punk, punk artist. Incredible, incredible spoken word artist as well. And I'm wondering if he's ever done any actual poetry stuff or if it's all just been social commentary. You could see that guy getting up on a small stage and like doing that. Easily, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Probably has.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Probably hasn't. We just don't know about it yet. Somebody out there go find some Henry Rollins. Some Henry Rollins poetry. Yeah, for sure. I'll be on the lookout for that. If I come across it, I will post it for sure. But yeah, so go and, you know, as I say, I will put up the full list of all the ones that I listed today. And then also some other ones possibly.
Starting point is 00:31:10 In our DMs and Discord, send me one that I can put on QuicktmS.L.I as kind of like the, If you only buy one thing of poetry, one audio book of poetry, it should be this one. That's great idea. Yeah, I love that. TMS. Yeah, very cool. Cool. Yeah, I'll send you the link to Tits on the Moon then.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Oh, cool. Perfect. That's awesome. You know, there's something for everyone. And turns out Tits on the Moon is out there. Turns out, yes, because, boy, Google searches, it's really returning some unusual stuff. Yeah, don't search for. Yeah, I'm saying this one for later.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Yeah. Well, you know, they say, you know, if you're going to come out and, and. do, you know, spoken word or poetry, you got to get the audience on your side. There's nothing like talking, you know, saying, my tits would be fantastic there. It's a great. It's a great start. You know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Imagine, see, I always think about what, how would it be, you know, because we humans, humans are uniquely set up and, and have evolved here based on earth gravity, earth's conditions, earth's everything. Uh, you go over to like Jupiter. That's called tits on the ground over there. Right. because there's so much gravity that's not that's not a place that you'll be my
Starting point is 00:32:20 you'll be you know you could be 20 but you look like my grandma you gotta tuck them in now anyway they're like concave at that point yeah nobody wants that but I'm looking forward to seeing you next week may when you get there may you get showered with questions
Starting point is 00:32:36 about your favorite books I'm so excited you guys have no idea I'm still like in deep in preparations but things are, things are working out. Do you, are you bringing stuff I'm stuffing in bags? I can't remember. Are you doing that this year?
Starting point is 00:32:50 You are. Oh, oh, for swag bags, you mean? Yeah. That is a good question. If you are, it's totally fine. What do you think? What do you think? We can.
Starting point is 00:32:59 You totally can. If you want to, it's up to you because we're doing the major assembly of these there. So, you know, if you've got like a bag of stuff and you want us to do it as part of the little assembly in there, we can totally do it. Yeah, let's do that. Just let me know. That sounds good. All right.
Starting point is 00:33:14 that sounds great i'll be glad help him i'll be glad to hang out with her and stuff bags full of stuff oh heck yeah she'll she'll probably love the help um hopefully i'll hopefully i'll be of some help but you never know with me uh amy it's a pleasure as always to have you here and can't wait to see you next week tell chuck uh the same okay i will we really mean it we really mean it we really mean it oh i know don't we ryan we totally mean it i'm very aware i'm like i'm just a vehicle for Chuck really sure well may your flight be safe no a bicycle is a vehicle for Chuck that's true ah yes that's true that's true if you end up on a plane with marjor taylor taylor green uh you have my permission to throw your pretzels out all right all right all right we'll see you she she must hate
Starting point is 00:34:01 having her as a state she's a state rep what is she's a she's a senator right no she's a she is congress yeah yeah she was never senator representative right right yeah and i think she just got some small rural deal oh that's right no it's bober that we have uh to you know call locally our our uh gun barbie yeah yeah you guys get the real you get the real raw into the stick over there with her we really did yeah unfortunate uh why did that music play i don't know uh still getting used to these new tools let's uh take uh ourselves right straight into the world of the of the podcast morning news all right and uh here's how that starts good morning Good morning, everybody.
Starting point is 00:34:44 In the news this morning, good morning. Good morning. Welcome to the news. It's brought to you by. Brought to you by Coverville today because I've got the MS-150 coming up. And it's time for me to start pushing it and getting some donations for MS. It's going to be an episode all about bicycles and other things with wheels. So look for songs about bicycles, cycling, punctured bicycles when you don't have a thing to wear.
Starting point is 00:35:12 You can probably figure out what song I'm talking about. about there and motorcycles even all this coming up at 1 p.m. today Twitch.tv slash coverville. Nice. Live coverville. Never hurt anyone, you know? Never hurt anyone and you can watch me play some snap! Yeah, how's that going there? Isn't there big
Starting point is 00:35:27 update or something big going on? What happened? Yeah, they just had an update and they leveled out a couple of the cards that were breaking the meta. Shuri and Thanos were over-dominating in battles because, like, if you had one of those, you could just wreck people and they Nerf both of those
Starting point is 00:35:44 And I think it's a little bit more, I don't know A little more even now Yeah, a little more down the middle Like we like it? A little more down the middle I've got a deck that I'm enjoying playing right now That is, well, I won't say Because I think Amy wants to play against me
Starting point is 00:35:58 So I'm not going to say what it is Because I don't want her to... Oh yeah, don't give her an advantage I'm not going to give her any ideas No I don't know if anyone noticed this But during the show My replacement headphones showed up
Starting point is 00:36:09 So I very slyly changed them You're not wearing the, right, the HyperX ones he had on a second ago. Yeah, I had these on before. And these are fine, but they're kind of my gaming headphones and they're not really, they're kind of muffly for audio talking. So I ordered these Sonys and they just got here. So while we had Amy on, I switched over. That's pretty fun.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Didn't even notice, man. I know. I was looking at tits on the moon, Scott, is the problem. That was what I was busy doing. Yeah, well, I can't blame you. Let's get into the news here today. We got a black bear in the news. This is the actual animal, not people from Idaho.
Starting point is 00:36:44 I know. We can make that joke. I have friends in Idaho that are big gay bears, and I love them, and they know it. Why Idaho? I mean, you know, it's just a large gay man. They have a big community up there. They got a big community. Okay.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Yeah. I think they're just, I mean, I don't know that they have like conventions or anything. But my friend Scott, who lives up there, who calls himself a bear, says the reason he moved to Idaho was because it was this big, vibrant community of gay bears. And I said, well, I'd love to come up there sometime and just meet some of your friends. And he never wrote me back, so I don't know how I'm supposed to take that. Okay, well, fair enough. Maybe he thought I was up to something.
Starting point is 00:37:26 I don't know. Anyway, this black bear is nothing to do with that. He broke into a vehicle and guzzled 69 cans of soda. Nice. So look for caffeinated bear coming to theaters this fall. Let's see. A woman on British Columbia's Sunshine Coast had walked to a sticky situation last Thursday when she found a bear with a sweet tooth had broken into her car
Starting point is 00:37:46 and crushed dozens of cans of soda where she had left them overnight. Sharon Rosal said when she was awakened by her dog at 3 a.m. On Thursday, looked outside to see a black bear surrounded by shattered glass from her car window. Damn, dude. And he was drinking massive amounts of soda, says Roselle or Rosal.
Starting point is 00:38:05 I want to know what the soda was. Was it jolt? Was it? Yeah. Uh, Coke zero? What was it? What do you think a bear? What do you think a bear is like? Oh, she says it's cola and root beer. Oh, all right. All right. And some soda, diet, so only stopped when it reached the diet soda. That's funny.
Starting point is 00:38:23 That's great. Oh, yeah. Started with orange soda. Coal of root beer. It only stopped when it reached time. Oh, this sucks. Gross. Um, it says she watched from her balcony for an hour and a half as the bear used its teeth to break open the cans and then slurped their contents while making a sweet mess of her car's interior. I'll bet. sweet mess yeah this is pretty funny though you start with orange yeah you move to cola this sounds like it's like the gateway drug is the orange soda then you go through the colas then you got the root beer and then you stop when you get to diet because you're like the aftertaste I guess exactly yeah I don't want kidney disease from the neutral sweet yeah I feel like I've gotten I'm in a weird place where I've only drink zero and diet and diet only if I have to but
Starting point is 00:39:09 zero usually is my choice. And it's gotten to the point where I can't tell the difference. I don't actually know for sure. So if I go to a restaurant and they do a fountain version, I oftentimes will taste and go, I don't know. Is this regular Coke? Is this zero? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:27 And so I'll make Kim try it. She's like, oh, definitely diet or whatever. And then I'm like, okay, I'm good. But it's weird. My tastes have just evolved to not care about that aftertaste. It doesn't bother me at all. Yeah. Huh.
Starting point is 00:39:40 It's actually true of a lot of stuff like the chocolates that Chaco Mama makes for us. Oh, yeah, because you get the sugar-free ones. Yeah, and they used to taste weird to me. Now they're chocolate to me. I don't even know if I've had sugar-free chocolate. I bet I'd notice it obviously since I'm just used to regular. I'll bet you'd notice it. Since I'm disciplined and can limit myself to one piece.
Starting point is 00:40:03 Yeah, you and your little bowls you'll bring to the thing and then you'll fill just enough, you know, so it's a perfect portion. I don't know how you live. I don't know how you do it. We went right there. See, look at that right there. Yeah, let's take a look. Oh, see? Look.
Starting point is 00:40:14 See? What are those, by the way? Those are almond butter-filled pretzels. Oh, my Lord. That sounds good. They are really good. I've had the peanut butter ones, but almond butter? Almond butter.
Starting point is 00:40:24 A little less sweet and balances out with the saltiness of the pretzel. And the fact that I've got half a bowl sitting here and have had it sitting here since yesterday afternoon and all morning without refilling it is a testament. Yeah. to my self-discipline. Unfortunately, what's going against the testament to my self-discipline is this giant gut that I have underneath me. That's the, for whatever reason, that might prove the rule. This one proves the ancillary.
Starting point is 00:40:53 Yeah, I got you. Well, good luck with your pretzels. I will eat them if I see them. They're making me thirsty. They really would make me thirsty, and I'm very hungry now. All right, a man has been found dead. Okay, so this is a story about a dead man, just warning everybody. Oh.
Starting point is 00:41:10 He was eaten by bedbugs. Eaten by bedbugs. Uh-huh. Can you believe it? I can't believe it. Really? It sounds unbelievable. But that's what this says.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Let's find out more. This is why he was... Bitten by bedbugs, I 100% believe it. Yeah, Bitten makes sense. He was... So he's in an Atlanta jail. Speaking of Red Fragles hometown. Sure.
Starting point is 00:41:30 An Atlanta man died in a jail after being eaten alive by bedbugs alleges his lawyer, representing the man's family. The family of LaShawn Thompson, H-35. He is calling for a criminal investigation into Thompson's death for, sorry, for the closure and replacement of a local jail after alleging that Thompson died in custody from bedbugs in a squalid jail sale. It says here they had placed him in the facility psychiatric unit after determining it some mental health issues, but notes he was otherwise physically healthy before going in there. Their claim is that since the 13th September 22, three months after being arrested, he was discovered dead. inside his decapitated, sorry, dilapidated cell covered in grime and insects. The cell was so filthy that the employees wore a hazmat suit upon entering, according to the
Starting point is 00:42:18 Washington Post. They left him there essentially, they said. Let's see. Then they had a plan to take him to the medical observation unit, but their plan never happened, and they found him dead eaten by these bed bugs. God. Ugh. Yeah, one of my clients that I do freelance work for regularly.
Starting point is 00:42:38 is a bedbug exterminator here in Denver. And so I have folders of photos of what bedbugs look like and what they're different, there's like six different stages that they go through. Really? What is the first stage, so I know what to recognize. Yeah, little eggs, little tiny, tiny eggs is the first stage. Okay, that's wild.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Yeah, we're being visited by a kitty cat. Hey, Anara, how you doing? Well, she heard about bugs. Straight about, ooh, bed bugs, yum. But, yeah, the only way to really treat them is with heat, heat extermination. So basically, you have to get all of the vinyl albums, photographs, paper products, and stuff out of your house. And then they get some machines in there that crank the heat up to, like, 135 or 140 degrees or something. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:43:29 And it just kills them instantly, gets rid of them. Because if you use, like, sprays, insecticide, stuff like that, the bastards come back. I don't know that I've ever seen them, so I wouldn't even know what I was looking at. Yeah. In this case... Would you like your photo? Yeah, send me one of your gross photos. I'll put it up on the screen today.
Starting point is 00:43:48 I'll just send you a link to the website because the very first thing you see, actually you have two. I'll send you the link to hotbugs.com. Yes, I'm serious. That is one of the sites. Awesome. Really hotbugs.com. Hotbugs.com. With Zee, even.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Whoa, this is... Yeah, this is really cool. He does, like, a membership service for people who own VRBOs and Airbnbs and assisted living facilities and stuff like that. And so that bug in the background there, oh, I guess it disappears with the logo in front of it. Shoot. Did you give, here, let's see. I put it in our Discord. Oh, Discord, there it is.
Starting point is 00:44:30 Okay. Let me pull it up here. Take a look, chat room. Oops, let's put it right there. go away shoot yeah i need to maybe need to send you a different photos is that thing for 80 bucks a year emergency priority services free video inspection services access to leading bug experts compliance documentation man this is quite a deal it's a deal it's a deal it's a deal and you made this you made this the site brian made yeah very nice well hot bugs gross me out
Starting point is 00:45:01 it's gross let me ask you this though so like if you um i'm trying to Like a hotel room, it makes sense. You have a pretty limited number of things that are made of paper. Right. Or something's going to buckle or burn or whatever. So easy place to fumigate and get done. Like a house house. Like, I'd have to, oh my gosh, the stuff I have to do.
Starting point is 00:45:23 All of your files have to come out, your albums, your photographs, things like that. And there's really no better way. Like, this is as good as we have. There's no, like, infrared. This is, this is as close to 100% effectiveness as you're going to get. All right. Yeah. So don't get bedbugs, people.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Just don't get bedbugs. It's got some Dale dribble. Gribble. Gribble. Gribble. Gribble. I don't know I said dribble. Real quick here, they did say, so he did have an autopsy, and the cause of death is noted as extreme to severe infestation of small insects on his body.
Starting point is 00:45:56 So I guess if you have enough of this. Yeah, I think I would agree that he probably was partially killed by the bedbugs. they didn't I mean I don't know eaten by bedbugs in the headline makes it sound like all that's left are his bones yeah yeah which I don't think happened a voracious group of piranhas or something yeah how much could a big bug eat really
Starting point is 00:46:19 they're gonna eat like I'm gonna find out they eat like 20 times their body weight or something and right exactly anyway the bottom line is don't try not to have bed bugs if you can help it yeah there you go that's probably the best the best solution how do they start do is it just because things are dirty they start because you get them from somewhere else like you you go to a really horrible hotel room or motel or something like that and then you just bring them back to your house so awful it is yeah my gosh it's a big worry like not a big worry but there's a little bit of a worry with with us here because Tina will with adult protective services she's frequently having to visit people who don't practice a lot of self-care yeah and so we actually have the equivalent of an airlock in our garage where she can, you know, get rid of the shoes she was wearing, not get rid of, but like put the shoes she was wearing into a thing and we can hair dry heat them and stuff like that if we need to kill them. And, you know, she doesn't sit down on anything when she's in any of these places. Like basically her feet touching her, her shoes touching the floor, the only way that she goes into these places.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Well, I had a friend who worked for one of these cleanup places that the, that you call and they come. And like if there was a death and they were there for three weeks, they come and take care of stuff. Has teen ever had to go to a sight of like, oh, this guy died in his chair and he's been there for a month and none of that. No, fortunately, as far as I know she hasn't, and maybe there's a story that she hasn't told me, but I think she would tell me if she. That'd be a rough job. There was, I mean, there was a story of a person that she had to help who basically stayed by his wife. side and slipped in the same bed with her after she passed. Oh, wow. She had passed. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, man, can you imagine that? Yeah. I can't even
Starting point is 00:48:15 imagine the night where you wake up and find out that the other one died. I know, I know. I'm, I might be getting the story wrong, but, uh, something like that. It was just heartbreaking. That is heartbreaking. Oh, yeah, anyway. I'm going to have Kim taxidermied. Just, you know. You're going to put her bad. the wheel of a driverless car. Yeah. Basically, just never, just still drive you wherever you needed to go. Well, that way I get the, you know, I still get the benefits of the carpool lane.
Starting point is 00:48:42 And I can fall asleep 20 minutes into a ride. It's all, it's all good in the hood. I love, I love the chat room responses after you say something like that. I know. I mean, what do you guys expect? You've been here long enough. Yeah, come on. Stupid shit's going to fall on my face.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Come on now. Yeah, hello. All right. We got one more story here about an Alberta woman. Alberta. Oh, that's Canada. Kaneda! It is. The woman deliberately trying to get rid of 133,000 rum and butter chocolate bars.
Starting point is 00:49:14 So, hey, if you're all into that, I got good news. There's a place for it. Rum and butter chocolate bars. Rum and butter. Speaking of sugar, geez. Anyway, a few years ago, you couldn't buy rum and butter chocolate bars if you wanted to, but now Crystal Regner, Westregard, has 103,000 of them, give or take a few, she says. The entrepreneur resurrected the old.
Starting point is 00:49:34 fashion candy in 2021, but thanks to pandemic production delays, she now has to get rid of several pallets worth of these before they expire in June. So she's ready to eat the cost and let somebody else eat the candy. She'd rather not spend more money just to let them go to waste. So if you want to get a hold of her, I don't know how you'd do it. It's going to be really hard because she's covered with butter. Yeah, yeah. It's going to be very hard to get a hold of her. I always wonder about this. There's certain things that were being made up in until the pandemic that just basically crapped out for a bit
Starting point is 00:50:05 and then there was a shortage of everything and now there's for a lot of companies there's a glut of things and I don't know what you do when you have that like in her case
Starting point is 00:50:15 it's a very physical thing but I know there are people with like you know a lot of these layoffs at Netflix and at Disney Plus and all this were all about because things getting back to normal people are signing up less
Starting point is 00:50:27 to the services because they're not trapped in doors and have no other option but to watch entertainment so I wonder you know I wonder who else that affects it didn't really affect businesses like ours you know like we're still making content and and all that but anyway if you're a listener out there and you were like affected in that way i'd just be curious to hear your story yeah i'm actually curious more about the rum and butter
Starting point is 00:50:48 chocolate bar this is not something even you know they say well a few years ago you couldn't buy these i've never heard of these things ever and it looks like it's a very canadian thing like even the it's cadberries and even on the label of the new version it says Canadian candy nostalgia. Oh, wow. Rub and butter, so... Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:06 I'm under Jeff, we'll probably write in and say, oh, I was raised on this stuff or something. Yeah. Hey, Jeff, if you can find one, bring it to... Bring it to Vegas.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Yeah, we'd try it. Yeah. This says... Oh, no, that's a different story. Never mind. I thought that was part of this. It's not. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Final story. Vending machine in remote Japan sells meat from intruding bears. Oh, terrific. More bear. We begin with the bears. We end with the bears. That's right. This is a bear sandwich. Check this out. A remote Japanese town is taken to selling bear meat from a vending machine, sourcing its supply to Asian black bears, or of Asian black bears, listed as vulnerable species, cotton traps or in the mountains by hunters. Bear attacks are an increasing problem in parts of rural Japan due to a shortage of food in the forest that brings the animals closer to inhabited areas. Quote, the bears can be dangerous when they come into town, so hunters will set traps or shoot them. says Dal-Da-Shi-Sato, who placed the vending machine outside his Soba-Noodle shop near the railway station. Asian black bears are listed as vulnerable, but not critically so. So it is legal to eat bear in Japan.
Starting point is 00:52:13 Meat from trapped bears is tastier since the blood is drained immediately, according to him. What? Why is it drained immediately? What? Hold on. I know, yeah. Meat from trapped bear. Is it because the bear is bleeding from the trap?
Starting point is 00:52:27 I guess caught in traps. Yeah, so they just get caught in the trap and bleed out. And it's like, oh, perfect, let's turn this. And it doesn't even say, like, is it jerky or is it just like? Like meat? Vacuum sealed meat chunks, bear meat chunks. Yeah, they don't actually, let's see, there is a quote. Okay, bear meat isn't very common, so we want tourists to come visit our town to buy it.
Starting point is 00:52:49 That doesn't tell me. It doesn't say what form it's in. No. I would think dried and cured or something. I would think jerky as well. Yeah. So maybe it dries quicker because of. the blood removal.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Let's see. This is just foul. Yeah, I know. It's kind of gross. And not because of the bear meat. I mean, I would try bear jerky for sure, but just that whole like, oh, it's, you know, it's really tasty because the blood drains immediately from their bodies. That's right.
Starting point is 00:53:16 That's so good. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Vending machines throughout Japan offer everything from drinks, snacks, surgical masks, and more exotic fair, such as insects and whale meat. So this isn't that unusual, I guess. we don't do this here we should have more weird stuff in vending machines in america i agree yeah you know Vegas does some of that but i want like a little bit yeah you can get mohe shandon champagne and vending machine as a matter of fact i think the sand dollar even has a champagne vending machine
Starting point is 00:53:43 right and isn't that car dealership there that has the multi-story car thing you buy a car at the bottom carvana we even have them here and uh we have one in denver as well oh i don't think we had do we have i don't think we have one here maybe we just called carvana and what do you do there you don't gamble on which car you're getting, right? It's not like a slot machine. But you, I don't know how the whole thing works as far as like being able to finance it. Like do you do it all online before you go and then you just show up there and say, I'd like a E7 and it just lowers down to what you need. No idea. That's crazy. It is a weird thing though because it's like this tower. I want to see it actually operating when somebody gets a car out of the, out of the, out of the
Starting point is 00:54:28 Carvona. Yeah, I've never seen that. I wonder if we could catch that just by being near there or something. I'll bet, yeah. Okay, I found some packaged meat. This is what it looks like. I'll put it in Discord.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Okay. All right. I bet it's not going to be as good looking as that rum and butter chocolate bar. No, it will not. That is a beautiful looking thing right there. Oh, so really you're getting raw bear meat. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Well, you're, so you can't, this isn't like a typical vending machine where it pops out of the machine, open the package, start numb, numb, numb, no. This is like, all right, well, now you've got to take it home and cook it. Unless that's somebody else's bear. meat. And that does look frozen, I think. It does. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that chill packet behind it. So, yeah. That makes sense, I guess, because the weird stuff they put in their vending machines, uh, probably a lot of it needs
Starting point is 00:55:09 refrigeration. I don't know. Here's that butter bar. Look at that thing Brian put up. Oh, you guys. Isn't that gorgeous? I want to eat that. It looks really flat, like a, um, not rollo. What are the, the, the similar to rollo like it's just chocolate with a, with a caramel filling, but in this case it's rum and butter filling, but... What is that called? Caramello? Caramello. So like a caramelo, they got run over by a car. Is what that looks like. By a carvana car. Wow. It all comes back. It all comes back. Bears, cars. Look at us.
Starting point is 00:55:42 All right. We're going to take a break. When we come back, my sister will be here. We have an audio version of an email we got. And we're going to do that today. So stick around. Brian, we need a break song, though. Do you have a little something? We could do. A little break song. I got a little break song. I got a little break song, Scott. This one big thanks to let's see, RK record kicks or just record kicks and pavement public
Starting point is 00:56:04 relations. The Soul Funk Quartet, the Sex Tones have a brand new studio album that's going to be coming out this later, much later this year. My gosh, much later this year, September. But this is the first single from that album and
Starting point is 00:56:20 it's awesome. So if you like Monophonics, Kelly Finnegan, Duren Jones and the Indications, and these sacred souls you'll like this. From the album Love Can't Be Borrowed. Here is the first single, Better Late Than Never. I believe that you still love me.
Starting point is 00:56:54 It's better. late they never I believe I believe that you love me Why did you stop calling Why don't you pick up the phone You and I you won't know till we try There's a good thing that'll pass you by It's better
Starting point is 00:57:21 Late than never you still love me My baby It's better Late than never I believe I believe that you love me I hope you keep on waiting I'll be gone
Starting point is 00:57:44 Come tomorrow Stop wasting all my time Because a good thing will pass You by Yes a good thing will pass you by Yes, a good thing We'll pass you by It's better
Starting point is 00:58:00 Lake than never I believe that you still love me Better Nothing Never I believe I believe that you love me My baby
Starting point is 00:58:16 Make up your eye Oh Show me the reasons why words because a good thing will pass you by because a good thing will pass you by better think you never I believe that you still love me my baby better better than And never It's never Too late
Starting point is 00:58:56 It's never too late Never hate And never And never Never And never And never And never
Starting point is 00:59:11 Don't let it It ain't No I'll ask you about Never Never Never There's a special opening just in front of the place where you have your B.M.
Starting point is 00:59:27 God damn it. The morning stream. I've only got one gun. That's six bullets. They're six. That's 36. Maybe that's they've got two guns. That's 372 bullets.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Maybe they've got rifles. you never know where that guy's going oh my cow welcome back everybody hey tell me again where i can get that music there sure from the upcoming album love can't be borrowed those are the six tones feels like we've had quite the theme on today's show especially with that uh dating audio clip about the special opening uh anyway uh that's uh the song better late than never yeah that sounds uh great i haven't heard this song yet or you know what i should i should lie to the people at home boy i've heard that song. It's really good. Is that great that we just heard? Oh, we can't believe we just finished hearing. What a great song that was. I do feel confident that I'm going to like it, though. I do feel
Starting point is 01:00:31 confident. Yeah. Because Brian rarely brings a song I don't like. I can't think of one where I try to bring the best milkshakes to the yard. Yeah. And you're like they're better than yours or something. Exactly. Wendy is on her way, I believe here. Let's see. Yep, we're adding her to the call. And we're going to get started with this week's Therapy Thursday. If indeed. I can find the place to push the button. Okay, here we go. All right, we're ringing, we're ringing, we're ringing. Wendy.
Starting point is 01:00:58 I mean, random. Not a chance. Hey, look who it is. It's my sister Wendy. She is all the way over there in Minnesota. Oh, correction. By the way, yesterday had said, or I had attributed to what's his name, senatorship for Massachusetts, and it's not.
Starting point is 01:01:15 It was Minnesota. Al Franken. Yeah, everybody, I got like 50 emails going, It was Minnesota, not Massachusetts. It was just a slip of the tongue. Hey, Scott, when I lived in Europe, which country did I live in? You lived in the United Kingdom as where you were. Okay.
Starting point is 01:01:33 There was another country. I was speaking Sweden. Oh, Sweden. Sorry, I thought you meant before that. Yes, Sweden. Yeah, yeah. You're supposed to say Switzerland. Remember you got that wrong?
Starting point is 01:01:41 Oh, you used to do that wrong. Yeah. Massachusetts, Minnesota. I get it. It's hard. It's hard to remember these things. Sure. Um, hey, uh, speaking of Sweden, I saw the weirdest.
Starting point is 01:01:53 There are some, you know who are, you know who some of the weirdest filmmakers are? They're all in Sweden. Yeah. Did you see Triangle of Sadness? Uh, not yet. Is that, Brian did? You liked it, right? I did.
Starting point is 01:02:02 Wow. What a great three movies that was. It was three movies. And I literally had to close my eyes because I was getting so nauseous. I'm guessing from that middle. Yeah. That middle scene. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:15 The middle movie. Yeah. The middle film. I've heard a lot about that. Yeah, you should see it. What did you see, Scott? I don't remember the name of the thing. The square?
Starting point is 01:02:24 No. It was one of those, what did I see recently from a, I don't remember, but I remember being very off put by it. That movie where the guys decide that their brain power works better if they just stay in an inebriated state throughout the day. It's got Mads-Mickleson in it. Oh, yeah, that had a lot of buzzmen. It did. It got something for an Oscar nomination. I think Best Original Screenplay, maybe. But that was, I think that's also Swedish. And that was great. I avoid anything by that. A friend of a friend. A friend of a friend is a, has a PhD in Swedish film. And you're like, that's not real. And when you watch a couple of Swedish films, you're like, oh, no, you could have a PhD in this. Because there's some breath and depth that are terrifying. Yeah. It's the guy who did the human centipede.
Starting point is 01:03:19 I don't know his name. Oh, geez. Think he's from over there? I think that's right. I don't know. I'd stayed away from those movies. You're right to do it. You're right to do it.
Starting point is 01:03:27 The only good version... I'll just be Tosh 2.0's description of it was plenty. The best thing to come out of that was the South Park episode where... Oh, no. Cuddlefish! I should not have had the cuttlefish! It was so good. Anyway, well, forget about all that. We got an email for Wendy, who is a real therapist.
Starting point is 01:03:44 She helps people all the time with their problems, and she comes here and does it for free for you, chuckleheads, and she'll be in Vegas next year, next year, next week, which will be great because a lot of these people have never met Wendy first hand, and now they're going to get to. So that's exciting.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Yay. Yeah. Plus you got a bunch of your real steps, regulars and all that. Yes. And Amy and I are going to put together a little gathering, I hope, during some moment.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Oh, very nice. I'd look to hear that. That's great. A little free therapy for our TEDPoolers, or as we like to call it, how was your entire day with Claire? Yeah. How did your Claire day go?
Starting point is 01:04:16 that's right you haven't met claire yet claire love you i'm excited me claire yeah when the shows when the thursdays happen where you're not here or we don't have a thing she gets like visibly upset in our chat room about not being here yeah it's not like stockery or anything but she likes no no no no yeah she just likes us yeah well anyway that's all coming up but uh for today i got this uh this here email that i'm going to present to you in the form of the spoken word all right so here it here it is this is today's therapy thursday question How do I know if my therapist just kind of sucks? I've been having sessions with this guy for just over two years now. At first we use video calls, but I found it's easier for me to stay focused just on the phone, partially because he's so damn quiet that the video calls felt super awkward to me at times, just staring at each other. When I stop talking, he will often stay completely silent even for literal minutes at a time, which feels like ages in the moment.
Starting point is 01:05:11 I know he's paying attention and that he's not even muting himself during those silences. And sometimes it's okay to have that time to reflect or be forced to pause and really hear my inner monologue. He's never given me homework or things to reflect on for our next session. If I don't have specific topics to discuss, he will almost never help get things going. He's never once done any exercises or asked me to talk to my foot when I contrast his personality to yours, Wendy. It is hard to imagine you're even in the same profession. Do I just need to find someone new? I can say that our talks have helped me from time to time, and when he does provide me insight, it feels valuable, but it is few and far between.
Starting point is 01:05:52 It took me six plus months to find someone that was accepting new patients, start of the pandemic, and I really don't want to go through that again. But I can't help but feel I'm not getting what I could out of my time and money. I had to go out of network to even find someone. Love the show, though. Shwagp.S. I think he's a Jungian, if that means anything. Does that mean anything? Was that AI that read that? Yes.
Starting point is 01:06:17 That was really good AI reading. Even like the intonations and asides in parentheses. Like when he said, Wendy, that was freaky. When I contrast his personality to yours, Wendy, it's really hard to imagine. You're even the same profession. Yeah. No, it is freaky. And you have this slider on this thing that can make it more conversational like that or less.
Starting point is 01:06:40 So you can have it be more like an audiobook straight read or you can have them be. he'll even do goofs like he'll I didn't do it in this one but you can have sometimes real mispronounce a word and then correct himself oh wow you mean he'll do a Scott he'll do a Scott yeah he'll do a Scott anyway that's that was interesting
Starting point is 01:06:55 that was creepy so that's actually from a real person of course what is a Jungian I don't know what that means oh yes you mean psychology is that right yeah very good all right Brian do you know much about it no I know that wasn't he the basis of like the the synchronicity like the police album synchronicity is influenced or was a homage to Jungian stuff.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Yeah. You know your stuff. Very good. All right. That's my only connection. Because of course it is. Because that's great. That's a great connection.
Starting point is 01:07:33 Yeah. He is a Swiss psychiatrist. He's think of like the answer to Freud. you know, you can't just have like one god of the beginning of things. So his stuff was, you know, kind of tilted the world on its head a little bit. And yeah, so, you know, they were influencing each other and he was younger than Freud. And so, you know, but I had a big impact on him and some of the work he's done. So anyway, that, a big piece of that is just like a different way of looking at things.
Starting point is 01:08:10 By the way, we've renamed our three sons, super ego, ego, and id. Because that's exactly how they operate. One is so worried about everyone else. The other one is full of himself. And then the other one is just whatever is fun. So anyway, that's kind of, that's Freud's work of just people are operating on these impulses and these sort of innate, instinctual, you know, the drive for sex and survival and, you know, your mother or whatever is. is right so it's all the all the things and that you know was kind of the main way of thinking about a
Starting point is 01:08:45 lot of um the mental world and then yun came along and has a very different view of the self sure um and it's a little nicer right it's a little less yeah people are terrible less extreme did you did you expect that by the way the Freudian makeup of your children uh right it's it's a kind of a deep irony that you're you know you're in this this business in this industry this whatever, this practice and your kids are, like, these perfect versions of those three. Yeah, they are. Is that, no. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:17 Did you, I mean, I guess I didn't think like it. And I didn't even come up with it. Just Adam said it the other day. He's like, yeah, it's super ego, ego and it. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, you're right. That is great. I do love that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Yeah. And, you know, they're all going to be fine. Yeah. That's how we have to talk about. No, I think, too, you've got this sort of like. Freud is, think of it as, I don't know, you guys, I probably have a video game version of this, Pong. Freud is Pong, right? Like, it's the beginning.
Starting point is 01:09:47 All right. And the systematizing. Obviously, there were folks before him doing work and people, you know, trying to drill holes in heads to try to stop stuff from happening or whatever. But, you know, he really is foundational in the teaching of it and the practice of psychiatry and clinical work. And, you know, so that's why he's so famous, right? and he said some stuff that it's easy to quote and think about right um and so ever since people have been branching off and doing different things so jung is great he talks a lot about and this might be in that song brand i don't know uh but about the shadow and we've talked about
Starting point is 01:10:23 that in the show before you guys remember that the shadow self kind of the idea that it does talk about synchronicity too they talk about the the shadow on the door of a cottage by a Scottish lock it's in reference to the shadow self yeah interesting so they are union fans for sure stinging is young yeah but the you the young thing isn't necessarily mean dude on other line staring at you for a minute without saying anything like this this isn't part of that i'll get to that okay so kind of this idea that um you know you can well okay so there's a couple factors things you want out of you mean psych psychotherapy and that is this there's a concept called the active imagination.
Starting point is 01:11:08 This thing you guys all have, and I don't have, remember? You all? Active imaginations. And the idea is using imagination, fantasy, dreams, meditation, a lot of dream work specifically in uni and stuff. And that that is what will bring the unconscious, unconscious into the present, right? So Freud had a lot of, like, the unconscious drives everything. And think of this as like taking that kind of idea and allowing...
Starting point is 01:11:36 space and in this client's case quiet um for some of this stuff to emerge for the unconscious to emerge right so that is you know sometimes it's direct observation of something they think about or they dream and sometimes it's not intended kind of thing um and then the other piece of this is well and then the belief is there's a collective unconscious that's maybe early days of talking about that at least in western thought um anyway uh the other thing being individuation, it's this process or this goal that people will progress and that they'll, you know, sort of learn how to stop self-sabotaging and, you know, manage conflict and do some different things as they become more individuated, but allowed to be their unique
Starting point is 01:12:26 self, you know, that kind of thing. So there's a couple more things to this, but and and really just the idea of the shadow real quick, because I brought that up. is kind of this idea that you've got things in your unconscious or you're not fully aware of that are sort of the dark parts of things and you are ashamed of them or hide them and there's some really strong mental influences to keep that out of your purview. So I always picture it as like dragging a stinky black garbage bag behind you. You can't see it. You're not fully aware of it, but it's, you know, got the cartoon stinky stuff coming out.
Starting point is 01:13:04 Stink lines, yeah, full of stuff. And it comes out sideways in your life, right? So we talk about hypocrisy sometimes of like someone says this thing, you know, they're writing anti-LGBQ legislation and then they're caught, you know, whatever. Oh, it happens all the time lately, especially. Yeah, 100%. Right. So shadow work, and as you'll hear that term used a lot, is really working on bringing
Starting point is 01:13:30 some of that stuff to your consciousness, being able to. integrate that into you're a whole person, not just, you know, I'm a good or bad, you know, kind of reorganizing some of that. And then it has less ability to be coming outside. Sometimes it's, you know, so bringing you more into a state of health rather than bifurcated into these distinct parts. So there's lots of things they do in order to do that. Now, what sounds like it's happening with this guy? So first of all, let me say something to be clear. If this guy is actually a Jungian analyst, he has extensive training. This is not someone who's like, you know what I'm going to do?
Starting point is 01:14:09 I'm going to say I'm Jungian and I'm going to be quiet. It's just, yeah, that's something you're just doing a whim. No, this is a big deal. Now, if he just says he's Jungian, people can say like that's an influence, but someone who is an actual Jungian analyst goes through their own analysis, which takes a long time. And psychoanalysis also takes a long time. like year upon year processes. And a lot of people get a lot of benefits from this and that space and the quiet and
Starting point is 01:14:38 sitting with someone and letting them do some of that work, there is value to that. I just don't know if it fits everyone. Like, clearly it probably doesn't. It would, I mean, I should try it to see if I would like it, but I kind of think I'd hate it. I don't know. But it's just one of, there's a variety of kinds of therapy that, that people do and that is one and this is not one that's a joke right it really is very trained very extensive and there's purpose to it and why he's not leading him in anything is that is part of
Starting point is 01:15:13 the point so um that is where the belief is that you know that full individuation and integration and stuff happens not the therapist gets to dictate what you do over the next week to try to improve because that would be inserting the therapist in the role of I'm in charge or I'm the one who knows what you need and that's the thing. Whereas a lot of us and probably just popular culture too is just like my therapy therapist told me this and it's we see it as a guide or a coach or someone who's like going to point out some things but is also really good at listening. You know, so I think we have a little, a different view of that than we do of maybe the
Starting point is 01:15:54 original psychoanalysis type stuff that you have with Freud and Jungian-based stuff. Okay. It's just a different stroke. Just a different, different methods. So let me ask you this, though. Like, this sounds impossible. I don't know how a therapist can sit there and just like not say anything. Like I just watch basically.
Starting point is 01:16:13 How do you do that? That seems crazy because that's like I understand if you're observing a monkey in a cage or something, right? But if you're talking to another human being, I would have to fill that error. I just dog can. And what it, and basically, is it like one, one method that applies to everything or it's like, okay, they've got this situation going on. I need to sit back and let them work through it themselves and not interrupt and let them. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:16:38 But it's not applied across the board to every problem that they have or every problem that somebody could have. So, so for example, it's applicable to a lot of different things. But if you are like actively suicidal, no, this is not going to be helpful. Yeah, better speak up. yeah yeah um and so that's i mean they may argue someone who does this may argue no it's exactly what somebody needs who's actively suicidal i don't know exactly i feel like nobody ever listens to me and then i don't ever get any response can you help me out right right right right and so so for example like a certain kind of like they've studied this right they've looked to see um and we've got
Starting point is 01:17:21 lots of examples of like it is really helpful with certain things and so let me see if I found a list also like children's therapy play therapy is basically Jungian so you may have heard of sand tray therapy before no that's new to me I've never heard of that oh
Starting point is 01:17:39 it's so cool do you say sand tray is that right? A big sand tray yeah so it's usually up on something so they're standing and the therapist is with them and there's a room full of boys on the wall, just every little thing you can imagine of, every kind of thing. And the person does not, the therapist does not direct the child to do anything. The child comes in, sees the toys,
Starting point is 01:18:02 picks the toys, all of the toys have, you know, they're pretty loaded in terms of there's a catapult and there's a, you know, there's, and then in the tray, they build whatever scene they're going to build. And so I've, I've done a little san tray therapy back when I used to work with kids. and then I've observed quite a bit and it's just fascinating as kids are working through some of their so I've worked a lot with kids with grief and sort of traumatic attachment stuff
Starting point is 01:18:31 and they would build an entire world and be attacking this one dinosaur and really the dinosaur represented their mom who was unstable and on drugs and coming in and out of their life and so they needed an army to protect that you know like it just it's like watching somebody
Starting point is 01:18:49 I mean, watching a child use their play in order to work through the stuff they're going through. And again, you've got an active therapist attention. You do not have them directing. So it can be very, and very effective for kids. It's really great. Let's see. So some of the other stuff, just general responses to this kind of therapy
Starting point is 01:19:16 can be improvement in different ways. And so if I was going to talk to this guy, I'd say, okay, what did you go in for? And then what is, like, have you seen improvements in where? You know, just are you feeling better about different things? Do you feel like your depression has gone down? So it's used in all sorts of ways. I think there is a few places it's probably not great for maybe schizophrenic things or, you know, bipolar maybe. I mean, I don't know the exact numbers on, but I think, you know, it's, it's,
Starting point is 01:19:48 Efficacy is proven in a lot of different things for a lot of different ways. However, it's very cost prohibitive and time prohibitive. It's really hard to say, what you got? Five years for me? Cool. And you can, you know, like that's a tricky thing to be asking. And so insurance has played a huge role in what is available and covered for a lot of mental health care, unfortunately. And you can understand why on one hand, right? Like, how do we pay for this for infinity and how do we know if you're better?
Starting point is 01:20:17 So we got really into efficacy and, you know, evidence-based treatment. So that's why CBT became this kind of the end-all be-all for a good chunk of time there because it was more measurable. It's homework. It's directive. It's changing people's thoughts. So they feel better. And so you could measure that.
Starting point is 01:20:38 They could do short brief therapy and find it effective. So less than 12 sessions, et cetera, et cetera. So like any field, there's always. innovation and people do different things and a lot of people will mix a bunch of stuff. But it sounds like he got a Jungian therapist, an analyst who is doing exactly what they're meant to do. And so I would check first, do you, where do you feel these improvements, if any? And if you really are not, then yeah, you probably need something else. You could also ask directly, like, hey, do you want to help me understand what I'm supposed to be experienced?
Starting point is 01:21:17 you can ask some questions, or you can, you know, obviously Google and read about Jungian therapy specifically. If you want to try something else, that's not a bad thing either. I had a client who had a really pretty world famous clinician working with him, and he decided, he's like, this isn't what I need right now. I need to work with a woman because some of my issues are related to sort of Me Too stuff and some issues he had, specifically. and he needed kind of process that with a woman. So he moved to my practice. And as we were working through stuff,
Starting point is 01:21:53 I was a different style, of course, but I'm also representing some stuff that he needed help with specifically. And that's what he said to me. But I said, well, how did you end it with your last therapist? Like, how did that go? And he said, well, the guy was like, you're not done. You're going to regret this. And he was just like, all right, chill, but I need a woman.
Starting point is 01:22:14 And you're not. And so, anyway, it didn't end on. like the greatest note. But his therapist wasn't wrong. He was not done. But he also knew something about what he needed. By the way, he's done now. He's good because we went really deep on some things he needed about his mom, about his life. Like it was something that other therapists couldn't provide. It just can happen. Just like a doctor can only do so much for you. Sometimes the extent of the framework that therapist is using and or their personality, you might just run into the limit of that care.
Starting point is 01:22:48 And so that's okay, right? In fact, I always tell people, if you are not feeling it and you don't want to tell this person all the things, then, you know, you might want to try something else. Give it a good college try and then, you know, really think about because there's no rule. You've got to just keep doing a thing that isn't, you don't find helpful, right? However, I do understand the idea that this is hard to find somebody and it's hard to switch and all of those things. Telling your whole story to someone else can be really daunting.
Starting point is 01:23:17 And every therapist knows this, right? We know that that is what you're worried about. And so, yeah. So is it for a, for a industry, I keep saying industry, for a practice or for a whatever, for your world that you're in? I guess that's an industry. One that is usually billed hourly, right? That's the standard.
Starting point is 01:23:38 It seems like techniques, even if they're superior or, I don't know, markedly better, that take longer are going, to be prohibitive just in that one way, right? Because we're, until we end up with a society that really values mental health and we start, you know, making, making it more affordable and or more accessible for regular people to get it or whatever, it just seems like if you said to me, like if you said to me, hey, do you want this therapist over here that takes forever, but you might have better results in the long run or this one that's going to be quick every week and you're going to have homework where that time's not being on the clock and, you know, that sort of thing. You're probably going to go with the second, right? that seems bad or it seems the quick solution rather than the long than the expensive one yeah yeah and and what's tricky is that nothing is a guarantee for anything right we can show some efficacy and we can show some improvement but we're not following people five years down the road and having controlling all the factors that may affect their mental health like it's hard there's a reason you know that I love when people are like I'm into hard science it's not soft sciences. I was like, well, if you could figure out how to make a soft science as measurable as a hard science, I'd love to see you try that, right? It's just so much harder in order to manage
Starting point is 01:24:59 because people are people and they're going to go live their life and you can't control them like you can something in a lab, right? And so it's going to vary. I think a good litmus test, I think it's maybe my bias for myself personally is like, how am I feeling and doing, right? You can tell me all day long that this thing is going to be better for me, but it's going to take three years. And then this shorter, I mean, that's part of it, right? Is immediate relief relief is usually what matters. Now, if you have the time, the money, and the wherewithal, do pick a union analyst. That sounds like a blast to figure that out. But that's also because I'm weird. And whereas most people just would want to feel better. So if you're not feeling better with the
Starting point is 01:25:41 care that you're getting, you know, maybe work that through with your therapist that you're already talking to. You can talk about that. That's part of what you're, you're experiencing, right? And then there's, like I've shared on this show before, you know, go to psychology today.com, put your zip code in, put your insurance in, you know, put the, you know, unclick the union analyst filter and try a new one, right? So talking to your foot, So let's, let's talk about the things he mentioned that are specific to what I did. I was going to say, I think that was a reference we were talking about when talking to your gut and tuck to your foot. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:21 Yeah. Yeah. And of course, Scott, it's his foot. Yeah, it was my foot. Anyway, yeah. So that, that, I'm, of course, I'm doing a public show of it. It's not like, exactly what you would be doing in real life with a therapist. But this idea, this is internal family systems is one of the frameworks that I operate from because I found it to be incredible.
Starting point is 01:26:41 incredibly effective and I use that with other things that I already do. And so there's a combination of things. And I am more directive. In fact, I have to warn everyone like, hey, if you want the Jungianalyst, I'm not it. And now, of course, I'll listen and of course I will hear you and, you know, be with you. But I'm also about a little more activity based is my bias. So I just own it from the outset. And 100% of people that come to me get referred from someone else who says this is active-based and they know it coming in. So they're, I rarely have anyone say, yeah, you're making me work too hard or something. Yeah. I need to, I need just to chill. And because there's plenty of mix, right? There's a lot of glisting and a lot of other things, too.
Starting point is 01:27:27 But so you may find that it's just time for you to feel like you're, you want to be a little more actively engaged, right? And so great, do that. So IFS is is a really self-directed, cool version of And then, you know, CBT is way more therapist directed. And, you know, really like you can't be trusted with your own thoughts. Let me tell you how to change them. Right. And sometimes that is absolutely necessary and really helpful and saves lives. So it kind of, you can kind of pick and choose what you want.
Starting point is 01:28:02 So, I mean, if this person wants to email me, I'd be happy to talk about different types and things that, what they're needing. So, for example, if someone emails me and just says, hey, this is what I'm struggling with, I kind of already have a sense like, yeah, you might, this methodology might be best for you, especially if it's acute or something else, right? Right. So there's all that. And it's hard. It's hard to know. And as, you know, therapy becomes more ubiquitous and more people talk about it and it feels like stigma, you're not always fighting against stigma, then there comes the, like, quality, right? It matters. And there are people who have terrible experiences with therapy.
Starting point is 01:28:39 and it's not typically because of the modality it's typically because the mismatch with the person or the therapist isn't it's a good time it's a good reminder that they are in the end they're just another they're another person yeah and they're going to have expertise and all that but they're but they may have personality quirks that just you don't mesh with yeah have you have you have you you're pretty easy but you probably run into somebody where it was just different enough where you're like, yeah, it's probably not a good match. Yeah, and I'm at this stage that my self-worth does not depend one bit on if someone wants to work for me or not.
Starting point is 01:29:18 And I can, so I can say, you know, this isn't like it's quite working. Let's talk about it. And then I have an ethical obligation to refer them to someone else, right? Like, I help them with that process. Most people have self-selected me already. And so I run into that a lot less because I'm not just being handed patients every day. Like, if I worked in a clinic, I would. just be assigned people, they might say, oh, she's very good at working with trauma. So they send
Starting point is 01:29:42 traumatized patients. And that's when, you know, all of my years of doing that, sometimes it just would not click. And then it was, oh, it's everyone, it's a waste of everyone's time. Now, a Jungian analyst, it doesn't matter if you click. Yeah. Because they're such an absent part of that process, but they do need to be awake and focused and listening and doing all the work that they've done. I mean, they're, they're kind of superheroes in my mind. Like, that is a hard thing to do. And they obviously see great value in it and have done it themselves. A lot of us do not do the exact same treatment we offer, whereas those guys absolutely do, right? Yeah. So I think, you know, sort of leading, and this is what's hard with mental health in general, especially
Starting point is 01:30:30 if you're in crisis. It is self-directed seeking of care, right? And that, That is hard when you are not feeling well. It's hard to get out of bed and they should be like, oh, let me make 40 phone calls and interview all these people, right? It is, it's, the system's got to change in some ways. In fact, there's a couple new things out there that are interesting because, you know, innovation and all that. So, for example, Adobe is a big company there in Utah, right?
Starting point is 01:30:57 Yeah, well, they're based in California, but they have a huge office out here, yeah. Right. I just know about that there specifically because of the people I know that work. have this benefit. It's called Spring Health. It's just a company that does basically like your giant company works with them. And what it means is like someone's having trouble or needs a psychiatric intervention or appointment or a therapy or something. And they just do it quick, right? They hook them right up because of course the health insurance is already
Starting point is 01:31:29 connected. And within a couple days, they have an evaluation. They have care. Right. So they they've figured out a way to eliminate one of our biggest hurdles to people accessing care is time and finding it themselves and seeing if it works with your insurance. I mean, we have this with the medical care too. It's just less sort of, you know, I don't even know, was it the 80s? We were like begging health insurance to cover any of it, you know? It's a short little history of it not being awesome. So anyway, so some innovation has come about.
Starting point is 01:32:05 there's online psychiatric care and you know clinical interventions things that just didn't exist 10 years ago yeah yeah so we're sort of tackling some of that um which is cool yeah it is cool well uh listener if you want to email windy directly about some of that stuff you mentioned yeah you certainly can but uh it sounds sounds to me like maybe he's just i don't know he needs it he probably needs a change this all sounds a little hard i don't know if i could sit there for three minutes with nothing. I know. And I promise you, there are people who would fill every single second of them just talking.
Starting point is 01:32:43 Yeah. So they will just work. They're going to be working through some things. And sometimes people just need to be listened to, right? It actually would work for me because if I do any sort of long drive, like hour plus drive and there's nobody else in the car, I feel like I'm talking to myself the whole time. And I might actually, you know, you could just freeze frame a therapist on the other side at the Zoom. And I'd probably save a ton of money and work all my all my shit out.
Starting point is 01:33:09 I love it. Let's just get a picture of like a really soothing looking calm human. Yeah. On your phone. Yeah. At about 20 minutes in, I would start talking to my foot. Yeah. That's the rule. That's the rule.
Starting point is 01:33:21 Well, that's awesome. I didn't, I also learned something. I never heard of this dude before, this Noonian person or this new, you know, sorry, Jung. Jung. It's spelled J-U-N-G. There you have it. Yeah, he's great. In fact, there's a deep work is a book, I think, Cal Rippincourt.
Starting point is 01:33:40 That's not his last name. I made that up. Cal Ripping Court. Something with a port. Anyway, about, you know, just working deeper. We tend to all work surface ways, and it's problematic for our well-being. It really is. And so he actually shares when Jung was, Jung had a really busy medical practice.
Starting point is 01:33:59 He had a wife. He had life kids in the city. I think he was in Geneva or Austria. I forgot where he was. And so he built this like stone house in the countryside woods, like, you know, really pretty dark and didn't sound like very inviting. Anyway, and he would just leave and go to this house and just write and do his deep work. And so we would not have people, if you cannot find space and time to have deep work, we would not have Carl Jung. That's true.
Starting point is 01:34:30 Just this idea of, like, you know, thinking and going deeper and, like, his history is pretty interesting. And a lot of people you might find as you scratch the surface around, like, that music you were talking about with Sting, that there's a lot of fans and followers of you. In fact, I mean, a lot of nerd stuff too. You guys maybe don't realize as young. Yeah. I can see that. So you should get to know him. Get to know you.
Starting point is 01:34:55 Get to know young. Yeah. He did a little bit of LSD research as well for a while there. I don't know why I upset that. Who hasn't in this place? Yeah, who, I mean, who's not on LSD right now? Who is not doing LSD on this call? On this call.
Starting point is 01:35:10 Well, this is great. Wendy is always awesome. And I'm personally excited just because I get to see my sisters in Vegas. But I know everybody else is pretty jazzed about it as well. So yeah, that'll be fun next week. And it's supposed to be nice, like 82 degrees when we get there. Oh, wow. It's going to be hot and melting.
Starting point is 01:35:28 Schedule some pool time. I don't have any clothes. What am I going to do? I have the same problem. You know, that's not a problem on Fremont Street. It is a problem on the script. Yeah, Saturday night on Fremont, you'll fit right in. You'll do great.
Starting point is 01:35:43 I got 40,000 sweaters, you know. I'm not prepared. But it's going to be fun. So we'll try to do a real step thing. We'll reach out to people so they kind of know. Awesome. And then you guys have me doing stuff, right? I'm going to be on a panel.
Starting point is 01:35:56 Yeah. Oh, believe me. You got stuff. You got plans. Brian, are you going to make me play a video game? No. Oh, gosh, no. No, but if you want to go to that arcade thing on, you may be gone by then.
Starting point is 01:36:08 When you guys leave? How late you is that? Thursday. Oh, yeah, you'll be around for the video game tournament. We're going to this video game tournament where it's all old games like Dad used to have. Oh, that's so fun. It is fun. You should go to that.
Starting point is 01:36:19 Kim just sits at a booth in gaps with all her buddies from the event. But Brian and I actually compete and we got, I don't know, how many people are competing? It's like 60. 64. I think I have 61 names in there and I just added three Oops, I forgot to sign up names, so we'll have 64.
Starting point is 01:36:38 So Wendy, if you're old like Battlezone or the Missile Command Let me just tell you that I'm really good at those games. I thought you're going to make me great modern games. No, these are old classics. No, no, no. We'd love to have. And she's very competitive, Wendy is.
Starting point is 01:36:52 She would be very cool. Here's the thing. There is this place. If you ever come to Minneapolis, anyone, it's called Can Can Wonderland. And it was like an old, you know, industrial building that they've retrofitted. And it is full of old video games. You pay 10 bucks and you can come play for as long as you want.
Starting point is 01:37:08 And more pinball machines than I've ever seen in my life. But it has 100-year-old games. Like wooden, the first race car driving game is wooden. I can't even describe it. That sounds awesome. It's the craziest thing. It's super, super fun. And then old mechanical, pre-pinball stuff.
Starting point is 01:37:27 And I'm awesome at the old. ones. I'm really good at old things. So you'll like this then. Yeah, I think you should come in there. Even if you don't compete, I want you to play joust or something and blow our minds with your prowess. That would be so fun. Have a fantastic week.
Starting point is 01:37:41 RealSteps.org, everybody, if you want to hear about or study up on what that's all about, Wendy, have a great week. We'll see you next week. Thanks, guys. Bye. Have a safe flight from the Twin Cities, you know? Yeah, for sure. That's what we hope.
Starting point is 01:37:54 All right, check this out. We're done, but I want to mention a couple upcoming things. you already mentioned today. Coverville, 1 p.m. Mountain Time. One p.m. Mountain Time. Bicycle. Bicycle. Of course, that song will be part of it. I would assume so. Switch.com. TV slash Coverville. Yep. So get in there. Get that done. Tonight, Core, 5 p.m. Mountain Time.
Starting point is 01:38:12 Me, John Bo. We've got a big show today. And we won't be missing next week. We're just going to push it to Friday. So after I get back from Vegas, we'll have a core. So that'll be fun. It should be a new diary episode today. And also tomorrow, Couch Party Live will be the first half of Vegas vacation. Correct.
Starting point is 01:38:30 And then two, I think two weeks later, we'll see the final half. That's right. It'll be, you know, it'll be a Vegas sandwich. We'll have Vegas Vacation Part 1, Vegas, and then Vegas Vacation Part 2. I can't think of any better way to support our trip than this. So anyway, that's tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:38:47 That'll be at 10 a M. Mountain for those who are not aware. If you are a patron, then you're in. If you are not able to be there and you're still a patron, we put up the video now so you can see you later and there's audio as well so watch for that a big thanks to all our patreon people for making that possible patreon.com slash tms is the place to go we'll learn all about the benefits of joining us over there and do it today that'll do it for us let's get out of here with a song what do you got toots mcclaren wrote in what i want to hear toots on the moon toots t ootts wow uh hi brian finally after three years my birthday lands on an
Starting point is 01:39:23 episode day. Hopefully my request is chosen to play a cover of the cult. It's difficult to find a good one. Firewoman by Jizzy Pearl will do. If you don't know of a better one, here's to me turning 52. Cheers, mate. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 01:39:36 Let's party. Grats, welcome to the club. And sorry, this is a couple days late. We had a ton of requests for this week. And so I had a, it's a couple days late, Tuts, but I hope you'll forgive me for that. It's just fun saying Tuts. It is fun saying toots, right?
Starting point is 01:39:54 Yeah. I feel like it's such an old term. We don't get to say it the way people used to say it. So it's fun to have someone's name where we can actually have a chance to dig that thing out. Exactly. Or if you're an old jazz musician, then it would be pronounced toots. Ah, Toots, Mootts blowing that horn. Oh, he's great.
Starting point is 01:40:10 Anyway. Firewoman, originally by the cult, performed here by Jizzy Pearl. I found this on a great collection called 15080s hair metal undercover hits. Whoa. Wow. an album of several albums of 80s hair metal covers including this one i wouldn't necessarily call the cult hair metal but whatever here is jizzy pearl and firewoman all right here it is thank you all for listening we'll be back uh not next week this is this is our goodbye for the podcast
Starting point is 01:40:39 for at least one earth week okay everybody right but there will be content from Vegas we'll have some live stream at least one earth week it'll be one earth week or uh yeah a maximum of one earth week exactly we'll be back on may first that's that's right and you'll be here with us and it'll be great for those of you can't attend you're like all that week with no content i promise you we'll be putting stuff up may not be full shows but we're putting stuff up and when it's all over our live show will be on the feed okay so everyone just chill the f out just kidding all right that's it for us thank you for being here we'll see you next time Oh
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