The Morning Stream - TMS 2464: Hairy Lady Knuckles

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

California Is More Because It's Long. Scheduled Temporary Podcast Uncoupling. Utah is getting a lot of action. We're gonna squirt ya some new music. The Neighboring Zones are Brown. Version 2 raised the bar... literally. I love your Zune, It's so girthy. Well that's the Wookiee Calling the Hobbit Hairy! Why is there Christmas music? Dunaway's boobie holder. I tried studying chloroform but it just kept putting me to sleep. Dorks from Wisconsin and Their Bubblers. My fingers get weird. Pot-throwing book tests with Amy. Choking on Trampolines with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, California is more because it's long. Scheduled temporary podcast uncoupling. Utah's getting a lot of action. We're going to squirt you some new music. The neighboring zones are brown. Version two, raise the bar, literally. I love your zoon. It's so girthy. Well, that's the wookie calling the Hobbit Harry.

Why is their Christmas music? Dunaway's booby holder. I tried studying chloroform, but it just kept putting me to sleep. Dorks from Wisconsin and their bubblers. My fingers get weird. Hot-throwing book tests with Amy. Choking on trampolines with Wendy and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Jack Frost was an accident.

It was meant to be next-level genetic research to ensure the survival of our race through a global Holocaust. Here it is violence. It always comes to this. The morning stream. Look out, Muppets. Yeah, it happened again. Hey, everything's working fine. Geez, I don't know why. I'm just, they changed a thing, and I'm just not used to it, man. My fingers get weird on the new way it works.

Anyway, I've got to figure that out. Hey, everybody, welcome to Thursday. Nothing else is broken, I swear, just my finger. It's TMS for May 11th, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson, and that is Brian Nibbitt. Hi. Hello. Hi. Hi. Just a reminder. This will be your last TMS until next Thursday, Monday, Wednesday, or Tuesday, Wednesday are not happening next week. Okay. I'm going to be gone. Brian might do some stuff forever on his Twitch channel. Twitch.tv.tvot TV slash coverville. All right. That's right. Keep an eye there. Keep an eye out there and you might see some stuff. This is our scheduled podcast uncoupling. Temporary. Scheduled temporary podcast uncompling. Yeah. I've heard that. So we have a new, that's the new thing other than fading. It's gone.

Yes, exactly. A scheduled, conscious, planned. Although fading always implied like a longer term, you're gone, right? Right, right. So if it's an uncoupling, our term is better because we really are only going to be three days, three business days. We're basically turning it on and then turning it off and then turning it back on again. Right. But just a little bit of a gap.

So is there a term for like long term, you know, final destination, no more? show kind of fading what is that i just saying yeah because fading fading implies that you go from doing your regular show to doing either like a uh a show at 50 percent volume right at 20 percent volume or or doing now i'm doing a 12 minute show and i'm doing a two minute show you're right and i'm doing it weekly now i'm doing it weekly now i'm doing it yearly it's a permanent hiatus yeah is what it is all right that works So we are neither on permanent hiatus or anything else other than a temporary. Would you call it again?

Scheduled temporary podcast uncoupling. I'm never going to remember it. I'm going to try, but I won't remember it. I have a hard time remembering it each time I say it. I think I say it differently every time I come up with it. There was something I was going to show you on pre-show, but I may as well do it in Main Show. Look at this. So I'll put this in Discord.

You got to see this. So this guy on Etsy, I'll try to find his address. Look what he's making. So I want to get one. right away. It's a World of Warcraft-style map of my state. There's one for all 50 states. Look at that. Isn't that cool? So you can get the Colorado one, of course, Nevada, whatever. But that's Utah. And they even like... Oh, my God. That is great. They basically gave it zones, right? So... Yeah. Yeah. Salt flats. The Goblin. Like down here, it's basically the Barrens,

Goblin Valley, Canyon lands, all that stuff toward the southeast. provo somebody said i'll bet provo chat's really uh awful or something like that that made me laugh right it's the it's the baron's chat of utah basically so for those for those who can't see this in your home listening it's uh somebody took uh the the styling of a world of warcraft map like down to the to the pen like exactly like even showing you where caves are that are usually indications of raids right exactly indications of the instances oh you made me one want to go find out from a real map of some of these are tunneled uh they might be they might be tunneled uh like highways oh hilarious that would be so cool right anyway they make all 50 states

and i think maybe even a whole u.s map or something or maybe some other countries that would be so cool i feel like um i feel like they should have if they've done Wyoming nevada and colorado in Arizona they almost should show those at 50 like 50 percent visible right so Utah is still highlighted, but I don't like all the brown area on the sides. I think the reason they do that, I could be wrong. I'd have to talk to the guy, but I think it's like if you do an actual World Warcraft game and you zoom into a zone, like let's say Utah's the zone. Is that what you get?

You don't, I thought you get. I think it cuts out the other stuff or makes it kind of obscure, not even if you've already been there, but if you backed out one level, you would then see the larger map. I have not, I, I have not played World Warcraft in such a long time. It feels like, God, two years? Definitely between a year and two years since I've played it. Yeah, it's been a bit of a bit of it. Maybe even longer, but.

It's been six months. Yeah, the neighboring, okay, Bobby says, yeah, the neighboring zones are brown. Okay. Yeah. I think they're really going for, like, accuracy, but I don't, I don't disagree that it would be, I think it'd be cool. I mean, accuracy to the map in Warcraft, not accuracy through their life. I know, I just, it's more that I don't like the brown.

as opposed to that I wanted to be accurate of what the World Warcraft thing. But Bobby's actually playing right now. He checked it. He doesn't exactly what it does. Is that what he does when our show's on? He's playing wild the whole time? Sure.

I mean, you know, I'm fishing right now. And, uh, well, give me a name of a place where you can fish. You can fit the Orgermar. You're fishing an Orgermar right now. I'm trying to get, oh yeah, I'm trying to get that lucky fish out of the pond that's in the middle of the city. Oh, well, of course, then. That's not a thing.

The Lucky Pond. I love the idea of a lucky pond. That's amazing. All right, so here's a Zetzi store. I'm glad you've actually helped me. I'm a herbalist and I'm collecting herbs. You're moving herbs. That's an old reference, everybody.

Very old reference. Okay, so there's the guy's store. Yeah, these are so awesome. Oh, I love the United States one. Like, if I could pay extra and get a Combo, Utah, Colorado, Nevada. Like, basically get the triptych, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All on one map, I'd be all over. He probably could do it. I don't know. He'd probably commission a custom on or something, who knows? Yeah. But he's got, for some reason, California, maybe because it's so damn long, is the most expensive map. All of them start at $10, but California is $37.

Oh, no kidding. Yeah. Look at that. And those are all for just 4x6s, I think. But you can get bigger sizes, 12 by 18. and maybe uh there's colorado let's see what colorado looks like this is really i i freaking love this the ones with snow they look just like you know a zone where it goes from like yeah wintermar or winter haven winterborne winterville main main is like oh my gosh if i imagine

all 50 of these in a game room or something just hang oh it'd be so cool um boy the eastern slope of Colorado, the pioneering planes it's just like that's almost no work done on that side too I mean he's right

there's really it is just flat you've got mountain mountain mountain mountain mountain mountain mountain mountain flat for the whole rest of the way there are boy for some reason Utah's getting a lot of action

whoops a lot of action I know eight people have Utah in their cart right now yeah nobody else well I guess there's New Jersey has three but anyway I think I'm gonna get one

I think there's just This is so really cool. I don't know if Blizzard gives a shit about this sort of thing. Probably not. I don't know. I don't know if they copyright the style of their maps or not. Yeah, I don't know. That would be the question.

Would they have any issue with this? Oh, yeah, the Southern California, just on its own, is really cool. Yeah. That one I'd actually, oh, let me see what Nevada looks like with Las Vegas because I want it to be, like, if there's any indication to make it a goblin city. Oh. It feels like. That's so cool. Hold on.

Nevada. Let's see. It feels like Las Vegas has to be some sort of goblin. Right? It has to be. Why can't I find it? There's Arizona, Texas, Pennsylvania, Georgia. Where is it? That's probably on page two? Page two? No, I'm not seeing Nevada. And now you know. Laris. I'm missing Nevada. Let's see here in New Jersey, New York, West Virginia, Pennsylvania. Yeah, he must not have gotten to all 50 states yet. Okay. Well, this is genius. And then he's getting like all these states and then Skyrim.

Oh, there's Ireland. Uh, yeah. Somebody said, uh, yeah, there we go. Uh, somebody said there wasn't an Ireland in there. Oh, there's definitely an Ireland in there. Yeah, there's no Nevada. Weird. That's a weird omission.

It is a weird omission. I mean, you know, he hasn't gotten all 50 yet. I imagine he, he's getting to it. Yeah. But how fun would Nevada be? You know? You got to go nuts with the casino business. You got to do it.

Totally. You just, basically, here's what I want. I want a world of Warcraft style map of just like, you know how you get the Orgamar, like just the city map, I want one of Las Vegas. Oh, yeah. That's what I want. So not the state of Nevada, but, uh, yeah. So one more, one more zoom in is what you want.

One more zoom in. Like when you get, when you get to look at a city and say, oh, where, remind me again where the flight point is and, uh, yeah. Oh yeah. And then you get, you get me carrying as the flight point. This is too good. It's too good. Anyway, here's, uh, here's some, here's the guy's name.

It's ethanol maps. ethanol or Ethanol. I assume his name is Ethan. Who knows? I bet his name is Ethan. Yeah. So, E-T-H-A-N-O-L maps on Etsy. And they're rad.

I'm going to get one today. Super cool. A quick reminder about the morning form. We do it on Mondays, but get in there because I won't have a chance to remind you until next week. And we're doing Best TV spinoff series as the poll right now. But all this really does is not only let you have your voice in terms of what your favorite spinoff is, but it enters you in the, uh, uh, the, the contest of winning a frog pants

fun pack, which usually includes print, stickers, pins sometimes, magnets sometimes. You never know what's going to be in there. Stuff you want. That's right. I know we all have a lot of stuff, but I promise. You want it. I want to see something really cool. Can I show you something really cool? Yes. Oh, frogpants.com slash the morning form is the address, everybody, while Brian gets something cool. Had a request, because I do the Khyber crystal holder for your lightsaber crystals, you get at Disneyland, right? Have those

on my Etsy store and trying to move my stuff over to shop if I just have to find the time. The Hodge, listener to the show, the Hodge said, hey, have you thought about doing one that can hold a lightsaber as well? And I said, I've given a thought and I just haven't

done it yet. I started working on it yesterday. I've got version one. So here is the here is the chyber crystal holder please note that that I miscounted and there's only

room for six crystals I don't know where you put black if you have black but version two that is coming out now and then it's got the two rails with a little there's a little bit of a you can see kind of a little bit of an angle to those rails so that you can put your lightsaber

oh that is so rad look at that. So version two is printing right now I've raised up the bars I've raised the bars got raised up the bars so that you have a clear view of your crystals underneath your lightsaber and um and i've made this surface angled that has the uh the crystals on it so technically while the thing sits flat the crystals will sit in angle so that they're more on display underneath the lightsaber love it yeah sexy hot i'm having so much fun doing 3d design now look at you with

I like fillets and chamfers. I love my fillets and champfors. You and Dunnoway, man. He made a, he made a PS2 controller holder yesterday. Oh, did he really? And if you don't put the controller on it, it's not on there. It looks like a little booby holder because it's got the two little, uh, really?

I thought I was, I thought I was a booby holder. Well, you made a booby holder? Yeah, he made a booby holder. It looks like a little, it's like a video game controller bra. Keeps, you know, lifts and separates for your joysticks. But anyway, he made a silver one to match the silver controller he got, which is like a unique version of the PS2 controller. So cool.

I'm clearly way behind in the 3D, freaky 3D printing place, but you know why? Here's why. It's the same reason I don't oil paint anymore. It's the same reason I don't do wet media anymore. Yeah. And I need to get over this because there's a lot of fun to be had. But I hate, like, worrying about the leveling plate and where,

oh no, this one's spaghettied all over the room. I spent 18 hours on this. Like all of that stuff, I need to get over that and just. Yeah. get over my need for convenience and lack of gooey, ghouiness and just get to it and make some stuff. There you go.

Yeah. All right. I mean, you guys inspire me. You guys inspire me. What can I tell you? Well, thanks. Yeah. You're created.

We like to inspire. We strive to inspire. And you succeed. All right. What else? So I got a question before we pull Amy in. Yeah. It says nothing to do with Amy.

All right. Okay. All right. How hairy is. too hairy is the question. And here's where it came up. You asked me this just after I watch a movie featuring Dan Hadaia. So I'm glad this is a good time to ask this question.

The answer is too hairy in his case. Too hairy. So Kim and I went to Van's soccer game last night after play retro. We ran out the door as soon as the show ended and watched him play soccer. And afterwards, it's just Kim and I. And we thought, hey, we should go grab something to eat. She says, what do you want? And I'm like, oh, Greek food sounds okay.

I need something kind of light. You know, I was thinking salad or whatever. But somehow we ended up going to this Mexican place, which is not light and whatever. But I love Mexican food. The Mexican place where they give you food while you wait for your food. Yeah. Yeah. And then bring more to you if you're not, if you feel unsatisfied.

Oh, did you eat all you? Did you scarf down all your chips before we brought your food? Great. Let's bring you some more chips. Yeah. I hate the ones that try to charge you, though, for a second round of chips. I hate that. Oh, I know.

I do too. Yeah. The stuff costs them pennies. There's no reason to do. do that. But anyway, uh, we're there. We go to this place that we like called La Fontaine or fountain. I don't know what it is. Fontagna. It's very good there. Nice people, nice place, you know, good food and all that. So we sit down and we're doing our thing. Our waitress comes. Our server. Fonda is, uh, Spanish for fountain because we have those here, we have a fountain,

or Fonda here. Fonda? Fonda, which I think is Spanish for fountain. If that, if it's, you know, named after the Spanish word for fountain. Let's see, Mexican restaurant, Utah. This is called, oh, it's literally La Fountain. Okay, La Fountain, okay. That's dumb, isn't it? That's all right. That's nothing wrong with that.

Sure, La Fountain. La Fondin would have been more fun. I guess it's The Fountain, exactly. Anyway, there's one in West Valley and Toella, Riverton, out here in Sandy. Anyway, so we ate there, and it's very nice. Server comes over, and this one, woman lovely lady super nice uh just a really amazing service they're always good there but she was in particular just great brian she had the hairiest knuckles i've ever seen oh really wow so now

i'm not it's no judgment like you got of course everyone's got their weird little bit i got a weird hair that grows back here on the back of my arm that gets about four inches long for no reason i have to cut it about once a month because it's just like where did that even come from and that's been growing there since i was 20 like funny we all have weird weird stuff, but this lady's hands, almost like the Seinfeld manhand episode of the lady had manned hand. They weren't manhandy at all. They're very feminine. Yes. But just thick, curly, gnarly, hairy knuckles up in this zone, then a knuckle, then this zone. And then even right before the nail, just a little patch of, you know, business here. And it was on both hands.

the finger of the yeah and she's and you know i see her and i go oh she seems nice and then she's like handing things to me and i'm like oh i mean i wanted to kind of be thrown off or i felt thrown off by it i didn't say anything right right i'm sure she still was nice though she was so nice she was very kind very awesome on time with everything checking on us all the time is nothing wrong with her at all but she had these hairy knuckles and i guess the lesson is yes it doesn't like i really do have no judgment toward her of any kind but i can't lie to you and say that i didn't notice these giant hairy knuckles it was impossible for me to not notice it it's kind of like for me if i'm in a public place i think bill burr has a bit about this but if i'm in a public place then i

see a gay couple all right yep i'm i'm thumbs up sweet bring him in let's go let's everybody have a great time here all this is great the gay couple yeah nice couple they look like they're happy everything's great what if one of them has harry knuckles though well here's but see this is where i'm getting at if they suddenly lean over and like do a long passionate kiss over their table sure i am in all ways totally fine with that display of public affection sure however there's still a little piece of me somewhere way down that goes ho hey ho a couple of dudes making out over there by that tent like it's it just is in me to know Notice it above me noticing, say, some cis white couple to come down.

I think there's still, you know, there's, this is, I'm not going to say it's new to us. It's not new to us. This is something that, you know, we've seen for most of our lives. But there was a time, like, when we were younger, that the things like that were treated as a joke on television. You know, people cross-dressing and, oh, just for laughs. It's how funny is, you know, people. cross-dressing or, oh, Jack Tripper's gay, ha, ha, ha, three's company, it's a whole plot point. Yeah.

So, I mean, there was a whole period of our lives where we were supposed to be, we were supposed to find that different. And now we're obviously, no, we don't find that different. No, you know, we're enlightened. We love it. We support it. We have, you know, so many people in our community that we love and respect and honor. that have same-sex partners and relationships. But I think it is just that little 12-year-old watching Three's company that's like,

oh, hey, look at that, all right. So it always reminds me, that TikTok video where that guy says, he basically does an example of seeing a TV show, your favorite TV show where a couple on the show comes out as gay. And it says, here's how Gen X, or Gen Z responds. and then it cuts the video and he's just sitting there looking at it like nothing. It's just nothing to him.

Just watching it. He's like normal show. It's like, okay, that's the thing. It's just normal. And then millennial. And the millennials are there going in the same chair. The soon as they see it, they sit up and go, all right, yeah, okay. Woo! You know, like all that.

Then they showed Gen X, us. And it's so dead on. He goes back into the chair, sees it happen, and goes, what I was expecting was going to be in the face. Oh, my God. Gosh, you go, look at it, like their game. Like that.

And then the boomers, they're back like this. And they sit up and they go, oh, for, for shit's sakes. And they take their controller and I'm trying to change the channel. You know what I mean? So he kind of nailed it. I can't believe they made this show woke. Exactly. And you and I are in this generation of a weird pivot.

Not saying everybody, obviously, it's too blankety. But we're in this pivot zone of we were all taught. teahee a little bit when we were younger yeah uh but now now we see it for what it is like it's just it's a weird thing so i don't know that made me think of this lady's knuckles like like i need to stop i need to i need to get in my head that it's okay to a be feel like i'm 12 years old years old again going dude you see her hairy knuckles and also be in my 50s going oh she is great man give her a 10 dollar tip she was freaking rad i hope she helps us next time we come here or whatever you know what I mean I think people understand what I'm saying

trying to figure out well webbit magic just says pivot ibbit I'm not sure of it well I just said our generation I just said we're our generation is the pivot generation oh we are the pivot generation yeah the uh when we were at the TMS Vegas and there was the concerts going on yeah there was a couple sitting back behind the merch table and they were working the merch table they were running it. I don't know if they were part of one of the other bands or friends of the bands or anything like that. But there was

so much PDA going on that it was distracting me from the show. Like I could not look away. Like I kept watching the show and then from where we were sitting, we were sitting where the stage was directly in front, like we were on a side view of the stage.

So viewing them was kind of part of viewing the stage. Right. Like we were at a side view so is like us and then the stage, at least where Tina and I were, we're sitting. And these two, I feel like they might have needed to smoke at least two or three cigarettes for as many times as it feels like they had completed their needs. Yeah, yeah. I missed that entirely.

I don't know how, I guess I was out in front of that the whole time. You were more in front. You were sitting in front, so I don't think you were licking over, but I was watching, like, basically was watching the lead guitarist of the band after the instrumental band after Same Sex Mary and like there's the lead guitarist he's rocking out he's got this cool guitar effect going here now what I know you know and then there's this couple that you know she's got a leg up on his hip and she's kissing and like kissing his neck and grinding on him like oh well okay so I don't know PDAs of

Any kind of relationship. I'm not sure I feel so comfortable enough to go thumbs up, cheer. Hey, keep it up. Yeah, it's not quite the, yeah, no, you're not wrong about that. KT. Data, okay, I'm so glad somebody else saw this. So KT Data, you saw them, right? Yeah, he should have turned. Those two were hot and heavy, glad I didn't get that on camera.

Should have turned us. Yeah, I was going to say, turn your camera down there and check those folks out. Yeah. Well, anyway, a lot of Palm pilots, a lot of public Palm pilots. Public, public PDAs, personal digital assistance. Kind of miss that we don't have. really i mean we have them because our phones do everything and more our phone is the ultimate pda yeah we just don't call them that anymore no no bummer i like that period it was a fun smartphone

do we even call them smartphones or do you just call them phones i don't even know why we call them phones i don't even know why we call them phones i barely call on it ever yeah it's true yeah it's just call them like it feels like the iPhone screwed up like calling it an iPhone kind of like iTunes screwed up calling themselves iTunes because eventually yes it was like well you're way more than music got movies on here and books and all this other stuff and they're like all right fine we'll break it out and do 10 different things I'm called we're doing a podcast which got its name from the iPod which you cannot buy anymore as of last year you can't even buy a regular like the 30 60 gig iPod touch or anything anymore it is weird that that's stuck yeah boy we sure got a lot of feedback about your Zune everyone

loves your Zune oh my God the Zune I know it's funny so many people uh Stephanie and Kyle in uh in Wisconsin both like they have three Zunes They sent me a photo of them hanging out with their Zunes, like, you know. Yeah. No, it's, uh, Fletcher claims it's the best sound he ever had on an MP3 player, including anything today. It, uh, it did, it sounded great. It's just too bad they had to implement squirt technology. Oh, I'm going to squirt you some music.

That was such a weird thing. It was such a bad choice of terms. Yeah. But, you know, all these fans coming out of the woodwork for Zune, where were you people when they were new? Right. When they were trying to stay afloat. Yeah. Yeah, there would have been.

been a there would have been a future for the zoo i don't know balmer was canceling shit left and right so who knows what's going on back then developers developers developers that's sweating just spitting out while he's talking all right uh harry knuckles aside let's move on to uh amy time we're going to learn about a book today do i still have time to uh listen to those podcasts for wendy later oh did you not do your homework brian course i absolutely did it i cannot wait to talk about how frustrating one of those shows made me oh how frustrating i'm excited to hear which one i've honestly have no guess i don't know yeah which it'll be um i have a feeling now hold on i will get to it all right here's uh this going on one of the things that i enjoy also is

reading well here's the good news we also enjoy reading and we enjoy reading with our good friend amy aka red fraggle three hi amy welcome back hi how are you what do you what's your what's on your mind these days. How are you feeling? Oh, I'm doing well. So, all right, I have a story for you guys that relates back to what you were just talking about. All right. Sure. The Zoom or public displays of affection or that couple at the concert or whatever you got. The Harry Knuckle thing. Oh, the Harry Knuckles. So, yeah. All right. So, all right. My ex-husband, and this is like, there's some, like, somebody said in the chat, like, Greek people are always super hairy and some Hispanic people have, you know, extra body hair.

Aldwins. Sure. Yeah. Like Dutch and, and therefore people, like white people from South Africa, which my ex-husband is, tend to be a little on the hairier side because, like, that's just a genetic thing, right? Sure. So my ex-husband was super hairy. Like, he had like the hairy shoulders and the hairy back and the whole thing, right?

And which I was like, okay, whatever. Yeah. Dude, but we're taking a road trip at one point. This is like shortly after we're married. So in his eyes, he's like signed the ownership paper. So it's like green light to start being mean. Oh, God. Yeah.

And I happen to have on like my body hair is mostly blonde. So I don't bother with it. Right. Like I'm like, I mean, I shave my legs. But like, you know, and my armpit. But it's so light. It's not noticeable and stuff. Right. Exactly. But like anything else, like I have to, if I have eyebrows, I have penciled those things in, y'all, because like they are completely invisible. My eyelashes also completely blonde and visible like you can't see them. So anyway, so I have, you know, a couple of like little long hairs on my big toe. Right. And again, who cares? Like I've never bothered with it or whatever. I have my feet up on the dashboard, which is very unsafe. Don't ever do that. But, you know, this was very very long time.

ago. I have my feet up on the dashboard and he looks over. He's like oh my God, you have like Hobbit feet. What? Dude, what? Did you really just say that, Chewbacca? Like, what? Yeah, right. You know, like, oh, and the Chewbacca figure, yeah, if I went two days

without shaving my legs, he would make wookie noises at me. And apparently he does that, he does that to our daughter now. So, yeah, like, it's a projection. It's a rejection thing. I was going to say, Cuddle Black. Yeah, he's that dude's a,

that guy's a walking fire hazard. He can't talk. He's sensitive about his own, uh, her suitness. Yeah, but I was like, are you kidding me?

Like, you're going to pick on me about having a couple little blonde hairs on my toe. And you walking around like a chimpanzee over here. Yeah. But you know, to his credit, Lord of the Rings is pretty awesome.

Yeah. The Hobbit seat thing was funny. I'm not going to lie. Like, that was funny. He was a dick, but, you know, Lord of the Rings is cool. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He was a dick around a cool thing.

It was a good reference, but mean. Yeah, mean. Right. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Like I said, he felt like the green light to be mean. Sure. Yeah. Plus, Amy, honestly, I don't want to think about you with anybody else, but Chuck. I think, like, you, it's you and Chuck. It's like you are the, the Luke and Laura.

Look up that reference, kids. You are the. Oh, I know that reference. Yeah. The, you know, the, the, uh, what else? Lucy and Ricky, the, I don't know, maybe I could figure out someone from this decade. There you go. Well, the Paul and Jamie, the, you know, for bad about you.

That's the 80s. We're getting closer. Yeah. Is there a 90s one? The Walter and Skyler. Oh, maybe wrong one. What about the, uh, Corey and Topanga that, you know, if you want to go for the younger generation. Cory and Corey.

How about that? Sure. You're like the two Corries. Oh, no. Break my little Janet's heart. Why don't you? Poor little Curry name. He suffered so bad.

By the way, by the way. I-Corps says the Luke and Leia. Hey, there's problems with that, I-Corps. Can't go there. Yeah, yeah, that may have worked right prior, just, just prior to the third film. He might have gotten away with that one. It's gonna kiss a wiki. Yeah. Tango and Cash.

There you go. The Wraith has it. Tango and Cash. Perfect. Love it. Perfect. Everybody's in the chat, like listing other couples, but they're, except for like, Darmah and Greg, they're all, like, tragic. So you and Jamie, yeah.

Wanda and Vision. I love that one. somebody horribly dies in all these like Ted Mosby and your mother I'm like a spoiler alert sorry but like yeah you're the regis and Kelly oh no no no I got it you're the you're the you're the Nick and Nora uh from Nick and Nora's they stuck together I love that movie that's great I do love that movie that movie I'll say it again I believe that movie to be the best non John Hughes modern version of a John Hughes movie not created by John Hughes I love that interesting yeah I Oh, that's interesting. I like 10 things I hate about you also, but that one's, I don't know if you count that one because it's like a, it's a Shakespeare adaptation. It is, but it's similar, but you're not wrong about the comparison. I think those all fit.

Yeah. I love those. I love a good teen movie. A cheesy, crappy teen movie I don't like, but a good teen movie I enjoy a lot. And Nick and Nora is that and 10 things I hate about you. I watched that one from last year. I want to say use as a recommendal and I was surprised at how much I liked it. but now I can't remember the name of it.

It was on Netflix. It just felt like a like a recreation of a 80s, 90s, teen movie and shoot. The movie or a series type thing? It was a movie. It was just a one two-hour movie. It was like about the popular kids and the not and the kid from across the tracks. I don't remember. And, uh, shoot.

It's not the one that kind of had. I'll look it up and find it because I love that. My daughter made me watch a series. Tim Watson. Let's do revenge. It was called Let's Do Revenge. Or just do revenge, I think it was called, not let's, just do revenge. All right.

I'm writing that down. And it felt like something along the lines of Clueless and 10 Things I Hate About You and EZA and all those. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, my daughter made me watch this little series because weirdly, you know, we're Jewish, but my daughter loves Christmas. So there was this little Christmas series that came out on Netflix.

called a dash and lily that was adorable it was really cute and i and it was very much in that same vein and it was it was very cute i enjoyed it dash and lily i'm also writing that down that sounds like fun yeah it's very cute it's like a little little limited series where you know she's kind of socially awkward and quirky and leaves a she leaves a journal in a bookstore like on purpose for somebody to find and then it's like a little scavenger hunter hunt. She's like, okay, if you find this and you want to play my game, you know, cool, turn the page. Otherwise, just put the book back and, and, uh, and leave it there for somebody else to find. And so this dude picks it up and, you know, they, they go about giving

each other little adventures through the city with via this book. It's very cute. And they live in New York. So nice. Very cool. Yeah, it's cute. I'll check it out. Look, we got a recommendation on top of upcoming book recommendation. I know. You get like a bonus recommendal, guys. There you go. Hell yeah. But yes, I feel the same, Brian. I don't want to. I can't imagine my life with anybody but Chuck either. And yeah. So today is our 10th anniversary. Oh, today is? Right. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome. Only I knew what song

you guys walked down the aisle to. I could maybe figure out some way to integrate it in today's show oh I wonder if there's a way you could research that if only there was a way yeah if only we had the here oh i found it just kidding me she claims chuck left his bike in the garage he says no uh all right well let's get to your book i got i got a clip here and everything so you got set this up for us yes and i will the the one thing i will say is just brief content warning um this this clip has a very short reference to like suicidal ideation so if you're sensitive to that be aware um but there you go all right here we go a conversation about rain 19 years before she decided to die nor a seed sat in the warmth of the small library at hazeldean school in the town of

bedford she sat at a low table staring at a chessboard norah dear it's natural to worry about your future, said the librarian, Mrs. Elm, her eyes twinkling. Mrs. Elm made her first move, a night hopping over the neat row of white pawns. Of course, you're going to be worried about the exams. But you could be anything you want to be, Nora. Think of all that possibility. It's exciting. Yes, I suppose it is. A whole life in front of you.

A whole life. You could do anything. Live anywhere. Somewhere a bit less cold and wet. Nora pushed a pawn forward two spaces. it was hard not to compare Mrs. Elm to her mother who treated Nora like a mistake in need of correction. For instance, when she was a baby,

her mother had been so worried Nora's left ear stuck out more than her right that she'd used sticky tape to address the situation, then disguised it beneath a woolen bonnet. I want that person to narrate my life, if that's possible. No kidding. Right? Yes. So that's one of my favorite things about this book, which I will go ahead and say the title of and everything.

It is the Midnight Library. by Matt Haig, and I think that's how you pronounce his last name, it's H-A-I-G, and it's narrated by Carrie Mulligan. Now, I felt the same way about her narration, and in fact, when Magus called it out exactly, I started listening to this book, and I could have sworn it was the same person who played Valerie in V for Vendetta. Like, it sounded that similar. So I was like, oh, that sounds like.

that sounds like her and so I was like both you know not only by the story but also by her narration I was disturbed and comforted at the same time you know as of that if you've seen V for Vendetta you know like that part of the story is like it's very bleak but also she's providing a voice of comfort and you know whatnot but and Winbengis even called it out in the chat already so but but it's not the same I look it up not not the same person but it's just it's funny though that we because we were talking about kerry mulligan earlier promising young woman and uh yeah uh great gatsby and and and she's in this inside lewin davis that i'm going to be watching so it's it's the all carry mulligan yeah it's also

we also talk about nick and nora's uh infinite playlist and then this person in this story is nora and like what the heck is going on man crazy yeah yeah weird weird how all that all that uh subconscious just stuff intersects. So, yeah, as I mentioned, and, you know, the book kind of mentions that, you know, she decided to die. So the part of it was, I mean, the book opens that way. And you're like, whoa, okay. Why?

Does she have some horrible disease or what happens, you know? And so I'll leave that a bit of a mystery for you. But she does eventually decide to die. And in the moments between life and death, she is given. access to a place called the Midnight Library, where she sees this woman, Mrs. Elm, the librarian from her old school, who showed her compassionate kindness. And she's given access to this endless library of books, each book representing a different potential choice she could have made. And so how, if you've ever wanted to see, how your life would turn out, if you made different tors,

then that library gives you the opportunity. You can open any book and see what would have happened if I had not stopped trying to be an Olympic swimmer or what it would have happened if I decided to study glaciers or what, you know, any of those things. Yeah, like the sliding doors, but ultimate, like you get, you get to read all the different sliding doors options or timelines that you would have been on. well interestingly the the mechanic in the book is just that they they look like books but then she actually gets sucked into that reality gotcha like linking in okay gotcha yes ambassador domo i'm sorry about the word for my dog is in here it's chuck it's part of their marriage it's just what you get that's right this is this is how they do their anniversary let's not you know let's not no judgment no judgment like i said we're the pivot generation we see everything

with new eyes. All right? Right. Oh no, Benjin, I'm petting the dog. There is no, there's no not petting him.

He just wants out of the door. And yeah. So this Matt Hey guy, this Matt Hey guy is interesting because he's got a ton of books, but he's also got just as many children's books. I wonder how those all are. Yeah, I haven't,

this is my first, my first foray into some of his stuff. And I'm excited now because I have a new author that I really am enjoying. Did we say the name? We did say the name, right? The Midnight Library is the name of the book, right? Yes. The Midnight Library is the name of the book.

And yeah, it's great. I really enjoyed it. And it was, yeah, it starts with her seeing there's the book of regrets. And, you know, the librarian hands it to her. And it's, you know, it looks like it weighs about as much as any of the other books. And then she hands it to her. and it's really heavy and you know

so things like that there are kind of they're a bit on the nose but you know good good good things to kind of explore and she kind of just looks at all of her regrets and says okay well what if

you know what if I had decided anything different about any of these regrets and and then as she explores those you know some of the pages in that book disappear it gets a little lighter and Yeah. So he's got some really interesting, interesting ways of exploring, like, how to look at life and how to look at the choices you make and how to, you know, just how to, how to have perspective on the life you currently have versus the one you think you could have. The one you think you want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's good stuff. I will definitely check this out. I may get the audio book because I just love that narration. It's really, really good. Right. Yeah. It's really, really.

good. I mean, I, I, I tore through it really quickly. So to give you guys a little bit of a inside look at how I pick these books and whatnot, like I, I will, I will grab an audio book and then go, we have open studio time over at our art studio. And so I will go there and start throwing pottery and just listening to my audio book. And so I sit there for two and a half hours, like, you know, get mud all over me and whatnot. listening to an audio book. And then by then, of course, I'm like well into the book. And so then I devour it over the next couple of days. So, so there you go. So that's how I, that's how I do that. Very nice. Well, it sounds great. I'm very interested. Again, the book is called The Midnight Library by Matt Haig and is available everywhere you get your books. I see it on Amazon here for a pretty good price. And definitely check it out. Amy, always. I think Audible is having a special right now where things are, you know, reduced price. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, they are doing like a sale thing. Also, it looks like you, if you've, oh, I can't tell on the, there's like, you know, when you start, you always get a free book. They're maybe doing like a promo where you get another free book if you just come back. Oh, interesting. I don't know. There you go. Anyway.

Yeah, so it's a good time to get into audiobooks if you're not already, and there you go. All right. It's Amy, aka Red Fraggle. Everywhere you find her, you'll find her under that name. Amy have a fantastic. day happy anniversary and may all your public displays of affection end in coitus we'll see you soon well not her in particular but you know just the ones the one she witnesses right i mean i guess technically eventually they all will i assume yeah isn't it funny how the word may not be right

away but i find the word uh coitus way more cringy than any other like term yeah i hope that's not how you how you signal to Kim that you know you're in the mood shall we retire to the bedroom

for a little coitus I mean it would freak her the F out if I did let's say that she would not be into that let's say that

no no nope I'm done I'm good I'm all good thank you very much though all right that was great

thank you Amy for hanging out with us we really appreciate it where you are going to take a break and when we come

back my sister Wendy will be here We're going to, yeah, she's going to check up on us, make sure we did our homework. I know you and I did, but we'll see how many of the listeners did. We had a whole lot of you ask about those links again, so I think you've done your homework as well. And we'll see where we end up, where she wants to take us next. That'll be after this break. But first, song from Brian.

Yeah, so we're going to New York City for this. And one of my favorite genres, I've talked about this style a lot, Power Pop, stuff like Fountains of Wayne, the Kinks, Elvis Cuss. Estella in his heyday, Nick Lowe, stuff like that, Power Pop, great stuff. And here is a band that is still keeping that sound alive. The band is called Joy Buzzer.

They have a brand new single called I Want to Scream. You're going to hear it right now. From New York City, here's Joy Buzzer with, like I said, I want to scream. Are you leading notes for me this morning? Why are you waiting for me when I'm walking home from school? I want to scream. When you're knocked on my window.

I want to scream. When you bang on my door. I want to scream. Till I can't scream anymore. Never said I want to be your boyfriend. Never said I like your face. But you are cool. I want to scream.

When you knock on my window. I want to scream When you bang on my door I want to scream Feel I can't scream anymore You're scaring me to tear I never kissed a girl before When you stand so close to me

I start feeling things I can't ignore And I can't take it anymore Don't follow me around the corner Don't you follow me because I don't know what I might do I want to scream when you knock on my window I want to scream when you bang on my door I want to scream feel I can't scream anymore

Don't you follow me around the corner Don't you follow me because I don't know what I'm like to I want to scream When you're not on my window When you bang on my door I want to scream Till I can't scream anymore When you're knocked on my window

I want to scream When you bang on my door I want to sleep Till I can't scream any more I want to scream I want to scream I want to scream What am I doing

Poking behind that bird He's only doing 35 Audacious The morning stream Circuits don't fail me now All right, that brings us to the midway point of the show where Brian can tell us once more who that music was created by.

One more time, that's New York City Power Pop, purveyors joy buzzer and a brand new single from them called I want to scream. Nice. I kind of do two sometimes. Not right now, though. Oh, don't we all? Yeah.

I think we can all do that. I would scare the hell out of Tina if I did that right now. Even if I muted the microphone, it would upset her greatly. That's true. So when we're recording most morning, she's around usually, right? Does she listen live? Is she? Oh, no.

No. She can't listen to anything while she works. She, there is so much like communication and research and research. and stuff like that that she's doing this. She doesn't even have like classical music or instrumentals or anything going on her office. Oh, man. Big time focus.

Silence. Yeah. Focus that business. I get it. All right. It's time for this. Wendy. I mean,

random. Not a chance. Hey, look who it is. My sister Wendy. What's going on, Wendy? Hey. What are you doing? Hey.

I'm not. My old tap pal, Wendy. By the way, Brian, Brian, you know, you have good hearing. And sometimes you hear things on my audio, like Bert. Can you hear birds? I can't hear birds, but you also sound like you're on a room mic as opposed to a... Yeah, you're usually on, like, a close-up to your face mic or something. Oh, weird.

Oh, no. But I usually do hear, like, wind chimes or birds in the back of your... Right. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. I always just thought, wow, Brian has superhuman hearing. And I've had, though, my last five clients are like, are there birds in your office? And it turns out, and we've got some serious bird action happening.

And I just thought, oh, Brian isn't a... challenges, I thought. You were the only person who'd ever mentioned it ever, and then... Oh, really? Oh, then all of a sudden, everybody's mentioning. That's really funny. Maybe it's spring. The birds in Minnesota are stoked, man.

They're like, no more snow. I love it. Yeah. I like this time of year, too. I was just talking to mom, by the way. And she said, let's see where is it here? I'm not going to tell you everything. She said, because that's weird telling my mom's text on the air.

But anyway, I said, hey, mom, just checking in on you. Hope you're doing good this week. She wrote back. doing great I went to Wild Wings I said okay cool she's like it's funny hearing that from an 83 year old

anyway I said she said how was Vegas I said it was really fun busy but all good it was really nice having Misha and Wendy out there with us and she said yes I'm so glad they could go

they invited me but those two girls are very fast walkers and I know I would just drag them down she says so anyway we didn't walk anywhere No. That's the funny part. Yeah, that's it. It's the funny part. She would have probably been fine. But anyway, she's doing good. You know, it's funny. I don't give her enough credit for being as internet savvy as an 84-year-old can be, you know.

I know. She's 85 this summer, just so you know. You're right. Yeah, like that is unusual, I think, for someone to be as good at that as she is. And especially with her big knobby fingers, she's got like, she's had horrible arthritis her whole life for a long time since her 30s or something. And they're, you know, you look at it. them they're kind of cool looking actually she looks like she could i don't know claw your face off or something but but the fact that she can like type on a screen and get it get it all done you know i'm proud of her i think it's great says the guy who she does not call to walk her through a venmo payment yeah oh yeah no wait did i honestly 85 using venmo like get i know that's intense that is a very impressive just how scary from you i mean and what's hilarious is we couldn't solve it there or something glitchy about it.

And I said, you know what? I think you should send John to the bank tomorrow and have them work it out. And they were like, yeah, yeah. And I, because I know who I'm talking to. It has nothing to do with the bank. But I said, what you got to do when you get there, though, is find the youngest person there to talk to. Yeah.

Somebody who really understands Venmo or the cash app or whatever. I have also found a lot of success recently in helping people deal with their boomer parents a little differently. And the key is to just. actually call them like get yourself to make the phone call time like we figured out how to do it because all boomers have to answer a phone it's like not an option to not for them right whereas you don't call a gen z ever never no you're never gonna get them on the phone it's gonna be uh could you just text that to me yeah you've got to use their love language it's not gonna work so

DM me just put that inside my DMs please yeah they don't do anything any other way you know it's funny though it's Taylor's generation they still like the call and she'd loves to call she'd rather call me than text me really oh yeah it's funny it's weird that's the most use i might be a taylor thing because i don't i don't think that's common it might be because i'll text her and say hey what's going on you guys need anything and she'll say um hang on i'll just call you and she'll do that a lot and i maybe she's got a lot to tell you maybe there's so i got a baby in my hand yeah that's true that's true all right so this is the deal last week windy gave us all some homework and uh most of us still i know brian and i did it but

um i think a lot of people did because a lot of people did because a lot of people people followed up and asked where the links were and all the sort of thing. Awesome. So it's hard to get a good gauge on exactly how many people in the live chat or otherwise did. But we listened to both those episodes of those podcasts in anticipation for whatever you're going to do to us today. So what is that? What are we going to do something to you today? That tells me a lot about your permal.

Yeah. Okay. So actually, let's start with that. Well, okay, general sense from both of you as you, you know, it was a couple. cocktail. We mixed the two together, kind of on purpose. I mean, I did on purpose. Give me your senses. Brian, are you a changed man? The cocktail for me was the sweetest, sweetest nectar mixed with turpentine. I did not enjoy the throughline podcast at all. I'm not even exaggerating when I say it's easily the only badly produced NPR show I've ever heard. Oh my gosh. There were too many voices. they had music beds that went on and soundscapes that went on far too long they changed vocal effects like mid-sentence

for people for no reason like when the woman is talking about all the things that went that were gone during Katrina they kept alternating her like talking through a bullhorn and then talking like normally but then content was for a show that's kind of debunking the thin veneer

for the first 12 minutes of the show and I counted they described what the thin veneer was three times and not like different examples or different, like, you know, like, well, here's one type of thin veneer. And this type of thin veneer. No, it was like three of the exact same examples, which drove me nuts. And then the Stanford Prison Experiment, which was super fascinating, but disproving that experiment doesn't prove the corollary.

It just says, well, that experiment sucked. But it was fascinating. I enjoyed hearing about it. Yeah. But, and then four minutes left, so 45 minute show, four minutes left. One of the 11 narrators of the show comes on and says, there are literally hundreds and hundreds of studies that show altruism. And it's like, oh, hey, maybe instead of all this other fluff you put it here,

if you could have gone over one of those. Now. I love it. So you did not like that one at all. Did not like true line. That was the turpentine. That was the turpentine. All I could think about was Jenny Josephson critiquing it during A&TP and how it felt like one of those shows,

It's one of those very early in A&P shows where everybody who is part of the team needs to get on and do a voice on the podcast and so it's sometimes kind of ham-fisted in there. Yeah, that's true. In contrast, I found Hidden Brain to be one of the best podcasts I ever listened to. And purely from a content standpoint,

I thought Jerkifton was a great guest on this thing. The dichotomy of life is a shit sandwich which from one person in his life to the more optimistic person who was in the Holocaust, experience the Holocaust was amazing. I went so far as to even follow Jerklifton on Twitter. I did his primals survey, his test. Yeah. I did the middle one. I didn't do like the 20-minute 300 question test, but I did the middle one, like the 18 question test.

But yeah, I really enjoyed that. And it's, and it, um, it kind of underlined for me something that, um, that I feel I do take into account. And maybe I don't express enough that I take into account. But when somebody does have a different belief, you know, this whole thing stemmed, I think, from, uh, Scott and I watching the mist. And there's a group of people who kind of try to take over the grocery store that everybody's hanging out in. And then there's the good people. And I think Scott said, well, that, you know, that would, wouldn't happen because, you know, there'd be way. any more good people represent in that store than this 50-50 split of all these people

who follow this one guy versus, um, and I said, I don't know. These days, I feel like it could happen. And I, you know, thinking about it's like, all right, we got to look at, you know, the different perspectives. I think that, um, uh, I tend to be in experiences, lift driving, um, being in the, in the city a lot, seeing people sometimes at their worst behavior. And maybe Scott doesn't experience as much of that. I know he admits that he doesn't go out as much as one block radius. His one block radius. So, I mean, there is the experience that way.

And mine certainly may jade me, you know, really far the other direction that is not accurate. It may push my perception of things further from where they really are, where that needle is somewhere between, you know, okay and good i might you know my experiences might push that needle a little bit further past the okay button i don't know but um i'm telling you i would give anything if the whole world had your level of uh reticence about like you're still so optimistic and nice like oh my gosh let's just replicate brian okay make everyone brian so i'm still i'm still maybe a little too much on the pilot? Okay. All right. Well, yeah. This, I mean, no, no. You're, that's great. And yeah, you're right. So, Scott, how about you? What? I mean, re-listening. I guess maybe you heard one of them

before. I'd heard both these before. They were relistens in both cases. I subscribe to both shows. I actually quite liked the, the throughline episode. But I'll admit, I'm kind of a sucker for creative audio. Like the way that, I still think that people that are best at it are like a Jad album, Rod show, I forgot the name of it all of the same. Oh, radio lab. I love radio lab. I love the texture of it.

I love the use of sound to evoke emotion, that sort of thing. And I think ThruLine does that. Maybe not as well, but they definitely attempt to do it. I like this episode a lot, which is why I recommend it to Wendy in the first place. I also really liked this Hidden Brain episode quite a bit.

one is a lot more hidden brain the hidden brain episode to brian's point is a lot more academic i think yeah and a lot more to the point you know yeah and the other's a little bit more like i don't know again it it's more like hey let's poke at people's uh emotional reactions with audio uh kind of attempt um yeah and and as as that i think they do an okay job at doing that um but i i really liked them both My big takeaway is kind of what I went in with, which is I think that, you know, for example, Brian's point about having a needle and something, it's somewhere in between is a good point. When you, you know, they talk to the, the Holocaust, or we're talking about the Holocaust survivor, having this insane amount of optimism about the world.

That, that to me, that's how I feel sometimes when I get criticized for this, because I'm not comparing myself to a Holocaust. victim, not even close, but I just see a lot of negativity in the world and it weighs me down a lot and it really puts me in a bad, dark place sometimes. But at the end of it all, I almost always come out on the other end saying, yeah, this right here is bad, but I'm optimistic about the future. And I don't think people are as bad as we as we think they are in the whole. We're only hearing about the horrible stuff. Nobody talks about the good stuff because it doesn't make headlines, which doesn't make money. It's not sensational enough, yeah.

Yeah, it's not sensational enough. So I don't know, you know, if anything, I think I've, and I've tried to curb this lately, but I think if anything, I've had a more negative view of humanity in the last couple of years. Part of my way of dealing with it is trying to find the silver linings as often as possible. And I think that's what I'm exhibiting. I think it's easy to say, oh, he doesn't go out enough or oh, he doesn't have, you know, hasn't, hasn't seen the dark underbelly or whatever. Those are all possible. But I guess what I'm saying is even if I have, I still think I go that way because I just, I don't know.

I don't know how we survive this long without it. Like we would have been dead a thousand years ago if people didn't figure out a way to move forward. And both of these episodes, I felt like, confirmed that, but maybe that's a bias I have. well and maybe what you're you're explaining something very fundamental is that everybody will have their own biases confirmed and that's tricky i think sometimes that's really annoying to think about like ha i mean there is some moving of a needle for people sometimes right like i i liked the concept that you could they're they're at least thinking um about what would it look like to help people shift some of their primary world beliefs.

Just like CBT, they talked about, you know, Albert Ellis in those early days of like, wait a minute, does the thought actually make you depressed as opposed to you're depressed, therefore you have the thought? And that was revolutionary. We all might think like, yeah, that's an interesting thing. Let's think about that. That was not thought of until this research was done in the 50s, 60s and 70, right? Like we have developed a way to think about this different.

And so if you take that test and you fill in the blank, you know, so generally I would assume you guys can tell me which you would pick here on the scale. Brian, you know for sure because you took the test, but fill in the blank, the world is safe or the world is scary. And that, you ask a series of questions to kind of pin that down. And Scott, I would argue you probably think the world is fundamentally safe. And I don't mean, like, they fall all the time and in every circumstances, and nor would someone say it's scary all the time in all circumstances. But it's really a core way of sort of looking at it, right?

So you look at history, Scott, and go, here's all the evidence. And someone else looks at history and goes, I mean, where hang am I a thread? You know, like the evidence goes the other direction. Yeah, when ThruLine was talking about Katrina and talking about how the, the, um, information about the looters was completely blown out of proportion that there wasn't that lawlessness going on with as severely as the media made it seem with the looters but then the same sense talked about the guys who took it upon themselves with when there were no or when they could get away with it they were shooting black people and the lawlessness wasn't there

either and it was almost like a all right here's here's how the media yeah the media did take this one thing and say let's blow it up for sensationalism even though it's not quite as bad but there was still some bad going on in relation to that for the thing. Of course, right. And which filters in and does it impact you? I've recently had many conversations with moms about kids having psychiatric events, needing to go to the ER for suicidal thinking and just young kids. And I recently spent almost a whole weekend in an ER with a friend and her 12-year-old.

I mean, there is some very real things happening for kids that is, it's abnormal in the scope and number, right? And people are just like, why? What has happened? Why is, you know, the building that we were in, and we were in an emergency room, one of the best in the city. And it had one hall and one room for any mental health emergencies. and the rest of the ER is for medical emergencies. And they said when it was built in 2015, they'd get one kid a month. And we were there.

And in one weekend, there were 10 kids, all sleeping in that hall, waiting for services. And it was the best there is. And that's because we aren't prepared. And so you say, what is that? And I don't know the answers. And I think researchers are looking at it. And we have lots of different factors at play, I think, COVID. had a huge impact. But I would say this sort of world is safe, world is scary, is being determined

way earlier in a kid's world than it did when you used to have to find a newspaper to read or wait till 10 o'clock to watch the night in the news. Or your parents maybe were just like, see ya, go outside. And now it's, the world is a scary place. And so you have to be prepared for all these things. And, you know, we're listening to our murder podcast to know how not to get murder. Yeah. And so I watching TikTok and saying, oh, here's the whole thing about people, how to steal certain cars and, you know, right. This is, you know, every age is like that. Yeah. Anything. And what do you, how do you integrate that as a very young person? The world's going to end. So, I mean, I know many young vegetarians who it's the only thing they can think of to help

with, you know, climate change and they're 10 years old saying, I guess I'm done with meat, you know, which, hey, that's a choice, but that's not because of not fear or the world is scary or I'm powerless. That's, that's not a, I don't run into kids anymore. It's like, I like cute animals and I don't want to eat them. I run into the ones who are, this is my desperate attempt to try to not have the planet burn. And you take that meant that, that strain on a young mind before it has time to figure out some other things. So I'm not saying this, you know, I can do a whole episode on my theory behind some of this and what I would love to see. But it's real, right? So, so I guess the proposition that this can be pushed in one

direction or the other really has to come from somewhere. And yet there is a lot of set points that are just natural, right? So if you think of the way, okay, so I'm going to ask something about your parents because, you know, therapy. So, Brian, your mom and dad's view of the world being safe. You're not a good example of the world is scary, really. But you're just for fun, you're going to pretend. I scored a 3.8 on the world is scary out of five. Yeah, there it is a safe world belief scores three.

You know where, you know, well, if we talk about the live score, yeah, boy, that's. Okay, we'll get to that. Let's start with the same score. Can you just pretend your parents were really scary? but even just take like Scott your parents versus Brian your parents in how did they model this worldview just like this researcher right that gets his whole deal and he doesn't know what his mom's worldview is until she takes the test yeah I could actually I could actually say that my grandmother who I lived with during the summers when my mom was having to work yeah you know full time

basically, you know, regular at school time, I'd be living at home, and then during the summers I'd be living with my grandmother. She was a very, very much the world is a, is going to kill you kind of thing. Like, this was pre-wearing helmets for bicycling and pre-child safety seats, but if those things would have existed, I would have been put in, in one, just in my regular daily life, in a helmet and a child seat. You know, according to her, I couldn't even walk to the park a block away. without somebody being with me. And even, you know, later in life as an adult,

it was constantly, every time I talk to it was like, well, are you doing this? Are you doing that? Oh, you're going to get a bladder infection if you walk around with wet swim trunks too long after you get out of the pool and you're going to do this and it's going to, you know, it's going to kill you. So I did have that. I did have some influence in my life that was the world is a dangerous place.

Okay. Okay. How about you, Scott? how did you do you feel like mom and dad conveyed is the world safe or scary uh little of both mom i think mom was more on the scary side although not much but she was always i don't know i always got the feeling from mom's side of of growing up that she was less about scary things and more about how things appeared you know like how how it looked if you wore the wrong shirt or whatever that kind of thing and that the world would somehow be scary if you didn't

adhere to whatever the standard was yeah um that sounds specific but it's really kind of general with her it's not like one thing in my dad's case the the sort of opposite um appearances were nothing it didn't matter uh what mattered is what you did and who you helped and how you helped um i think dad's probably primarily responsible for or at least the primary example for where my head's at on this as a as a whole yeah because he would do he would go crazy places and do really nice things in those crazy places he would go to dangerous places and do something really nice in that dangerous place um consistently and so it was always like a thing that was happening and it was just part of his life and so for me it was like yeah that's that's that's that's what

it is is whatever is he whatever that is he's doing that's what it is and so I think that's stuck with me I think that colors my opinion on it now it does yeah i would say that for me very similarly and mom i would just be like oh whatever yeah like whatever the big deal like i'm not going to get a side cramp and drown if i'm swimming right after i eat cheetos you know um but i think that perpetual like you need the sunscreen or you're gonna die skin cancer you can't you're gonna drown if you go swimming right after dinner you know there's uh you're gonna choke on a trampoline right so you can kind of have messages over and over that can kind of build some of that.

And yet, and that's kind of what the premise of the show was. It's like there are certain ways of these core worldviews that people seem to enjoy life a little more when they have or they don't have. And that's, you know, these are pretty broad spectrum kinds of questions. But you can narrow this down to someone's internal monologue, right? If they are constantly hearing the voice in their head, their inner critic, or just, you know, even their mother's voice saying, don't do that, people are not, they're going to take advantage of you, right? Like you can sort of feel how that might on a everyday interactive

kind of basis impacts the choices you make and kind of the way you think about it. So what I like about any research is like, huh, this is true. What happens? Can you mess with it at all and get a different result. And can this, can the world being a safer place be something you can help someone to feel? Or is it just kind of comes with who they are and how they experience things already? And, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if they gave us the answer, but I think it's fascinating. I do know you can make people way more scared. I have absolutely seen that. It's a lot easier. Sadly, it is a lot easier to make somebody scared than it is to make them feel safe in the world, right? Because you can, it's like a, uh, a lie goes around the world twice before

a truth even sees daylight or whatever the phrase is. It's the same kind of thing. Like, you can feel danger instantly, uh, but feeling safe is like feeling trust. You have to really has to be turned for a long time. Yeah. I feel like totally. I feel like the three line podcast was trying to illustrate more about people who take advantage of the thin veneer to their ends. for sure. The whole Stanford thing, that that, that is what more than anything else with that, what that illustrated. Yeah. And nobody naturally questions that. That's why they got away with it for so long until someone went in and really checked it out. And it's because we, there is a natural inclination to believe that that would totally happen, especially Yale frat boys.

Like we can just kind of, our own biases will just show us. up and fill in the blanks and you know we want that to be true which is why i absolutely love stuff that is the opposite of what you think it will be because you it just highlights this like oh look up me putting my own thing in there and that it's not accurate so an example of um that i was thinking last show i wanted to say for this one is and maybe you're familiar with this that um that it was like a boat wreck i should have googled to make sure but it was a boat wreck or a train or a plane crash um And all these kids were, you know, this is not yellow jackets. It's kind of the opposite, right?

Where they're stranded, they were Tongan or Tahitian kids, I forget exactly which. And they were on one of these islands, probably one of those small planes. And they were alone for a good while. And it was the opposite of Lord of the Flies. It was good leadership and working together. And like, that's just not a book, you know. Nobody wants to read that. We can spend five seconds.

I'm like, oh, that's nice. Because it doesn't prevent us from being harmed, and that's what we've got to do to survive. We need to know how to survive a plane crash with a girl's soccer team. Like, how am I going to do it? And so sometimes those, like you're saying, just don't maybe get that attention. And yet they are still real.

There's a human propensity to do something different that maybe we're like, that's boring, but you give us to Stanford. study where we're like, aha, of course. It kind of helps us already believe what we believe. And I think that's kind of what happens. I do like kind of the end of the show of the hidden brain one. They talked about sort of this idea of you're going to understand someone better when you know their worldview, right?

So he really got his mom in a different way and is less angry at her that she doesn't like that he lives in rough parts of town because he now knows she thinks the world's pretty scary. And as you age, think the world gets a little scarier because it's moving faster than you. And we already know you, how we sort of discount the elderly. Can't understand Venmo and yeah. Right. Talk about him on a podcast you would never know how to even turn on. Right. It's terrifying, right? So that I think world gets smaller and scarier for that too. Okay. So let's move to the next set of world, primal world beliefs. So the world is either enticing or the world is dull. So what do you guys think? Where do you fall in that? Well, I scored a 4.7 out of 5 on the world

is enticing. Apparently, I really believe that the world is a fascinating and, um, uh, uh, so five is the high real quick. Just clarify. Yes. It's not 4.7 out of 20. Okay, I was like, that's not very high, right. But, yeah, no, abundant with things that are interesting. I think that, you know, there were questions about some things in life are worth exploring further, but most of it is, you know, stuff you can just ignore. And I'm sure I strongly disagree with that. I think you can find interesting things.

You can find abundant things to be fascinated with, even in the stuff that normally you would ignore and discount. seeing cool architecture that you thought was just this, you know, plain gray building. But then you kind of look and see, oh, yeah, actually there's some kind of interesting stuff to it is kind of a good example of that, right? Where it's that you normally just ignore that kind of thing. And you start paying attention to those little details and find that there's something actually really interesting there. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Scott, what do you think you would fall on enticing? Well, I didn't take the test, but I think I would fall. I would also fall pretty high. I think there's all kinds of cool stuff in this world.

Interesting, fascinating, not just locations, but people and cultures and, you know, content. Yeah. Like, I don't see. I'm going to take the test. I haven't. But when I do, I'll bet I score high on that. I bet with the creative, you know, creative mind and stuff, the effort drawing, I feel like you might even score higher than a 4.7. Like you'd be way up there.

Yeah. You're the weighted GPA. You're in the 5.4 category. Yeah, that is, that is the thing that, and here's the thing about it. I'm really high and enticing. I think the world's way creative and interesting. And I will, my fear is I'll never get to see it all or get to do it all. And that's like there's an endless supply of things I could do.

Right. Versus someone who thinks it's dull. I mean, that sounds like, no, you're making that up. If you really think the world's dole, you must be making that up. Because it feels very fake. or something, because it would be really fake for me to say that. And yet, there are people who are just like, no, it's not, I don't want to, I know so many people who haven't even left their zip codes, right?

Like, that's so strange to me because it's just not that interesting to them or they're more comfortable. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's just really different from me. And if I got to know someone and learn that about them, it'd be so much easier to be less judgey or weird about it and just be like, oh, just, no, that's. That's cool. I'm going to travel to the next town and find something weird.

And they're like, yeah, nothing. I don't want to. And you can just get a long baby better. I think there's power in that of recognizing it is really different. However, we do know people who think the world is safe and enticing tend to be happier. Because there is just interest and curiosity and all such the things our brains kind of really love to have our feel good chemicals that are a part of being interested in other things and that the world is like that. So I don't know.

That seems like something you could probably train a little bit. Yeah, I don't know. And if you're looking, by the way, if you're looking to take this test, you can Google, if you didn't listen to the show or hear how to get there, you just Google J.R-E-R is his first name, Clifton, and then just test. And I did that too. I just Google it or dot go to it. Myprimbles.

Yeah, that'll get you there too. Either way, whatever, however you get there, it's super easy. And I'm looking at it now. I haven't taken it yet, but it looks like it's pretty easy to get into. And here's the thing we're going to do just one of his quick examples that it gives. Really, the through line was to get everyone to question that science is backed up that we're all evil. Okay.

That's really the point of through line. Yeah. So, but if you're going to listen to one and you haven't listened to either, do the hidden brain one. Because it gives you, it's my love language. don't need the sound effects. I like the science of it. Yeah. I don't, listen, I don't, don't, don't give you wrong. I love, I love soundscaping, but when, you know, the person has stopped talking and you've still got like 45 seconds of soundscaping going on, that feels like, it feels like you're patting your essay to make sure

it's 45 minutes, then it takes 45 minutes for the teacher to read. Yes, I think an expert ear would pick up on all that. That's pretty funny. I love that Jenny Josephson, listen to that show and just see, you're completely without any prompting, just see what she, what she thinks of it. What she would think of it. Well, okay, so let's do one of his activities that he did on the Hidden Brain podcast that Jareded. And it's called the Leaf Training, basically, right? And maybe you remember this. And I think I talked to in Vegas when I was with the Real Steps group, I talked about this as well.

But this idea that you can train more awe into your life, you can bring more of some of those great sort of neurochemical, experiential things into your life and make it less dull, right? So the idea is that you go somewhere, anywhere, your yard, it could be further away, and you just find a leaf. Current right now, they're alive, which is great. You know, find a dead leaf. Find it a live leaf. And then just really, really look at it. Look at the veins, touch it, smell it, Like, look how it comes out of the tree, you know, just really pay attention. Full focus on this amazing thing in your hand. And if you know about chloroform and then you know chlorophyll.

Then also, that's a different discussion. See? I tried studying chloroform, but it just kept doing me to sleep. All of the functionalities of the thing. Like, just really, really get into it and like let it, you know, appreciate it. Now think about, after you do that, you know, enjoy it, and then think about all the leaves from all over the world and all the different types and just like this, the incredible abundance, just the Amazon alone.

We haven't even seen all the potential things in there, right? Just like that amazingness of it. And now imagine this was the only one, right? And it would be in every museum in the world. It would be frozen in time. We would worship this thing because it would be so incredible. instead of it, just like a million of these on the ground, right? Billions and billions of these.

And so it's just this moment of like forcing a perspective shift to feel some awe. And I'll tell the story again, Scott, you heard this, but there's really cool research on increasing your awe in your life. And awe is a nice combo of being like slightly afraid. But in wonder and something's bigger than you. So like a really crazy thunderstorm will do it, you know, where you're like, we might die, but also, you know, it's really beautiful and that kind of thing. You know, being at the top of a mountain, seeing this incredible view, there's awe there because you could also fall down the mountain. So there's a bit of like aliveness to this, a little fear, a little majesty.

Yeah, part of the reason when I drive through like Dead Horse Point in Moab, part of the reason it's so amazing to me isn't just that it's beautiful or it has this history or that it's one of the most incredible. views you'll ever have in your life because those are all true it's also that you could fall off of there and that's it or that a ton of horses the whole reason it's called dead horse poise a bunch of horses ran off the edge and died like there's there's there's there's always like to some things are are aweworthy because they are scary and frightening and and whatever yes and that from a safe place to see the scary or from that enticing it's enticing but you've got to have enough safety for it to be enticing, right? Like, so you can see there's this like blend or, or recipe that needs to be followed for us

to kind of enjoy these things. So anyway, what they did is they took these two groups of 75-year-olds who were struggling with depression, anxiety, just isolation, loneliness. And they sent them on all walks. And so 15 minutes once a week, they would go on a walk where one person, the control group just went on a walk and they took a selfie at the end of the walk and did that for 12 weeks. And then a group of seniors were asked to do an awe walk. And that was like this leaf experience.

But they do it with birds and bugs and, you know, any flowers, like really looking at a dandelion, which we all think we don't like. They're awesome. They're the best flower ever, right? Like you really get into all these small things. You act like a young child, actually, because they're in awe of the whole world. And you do that on purpose and take a selfie at the end of that. And so at the end of these 10 to 12 weeks of doing these different walks,

They found the control group, nothing changed, maybe felt slightly better. And then the Aw Walk group, what they found was their depression lowered, their health outcomes got a little bit better, their anxiety dropped. And the coolest part of it, the whole thing to me, is that they moved from the center of the picture in their selfies to the corner of the picture. And soon the focus of the pitchers were the cool things around them, right? It was less on themselves, which truly, going full circle back to my theory of the degrading mental health of young people, has a lot to do with, they are always the center of every picture

and literally pictures. Yeah. Yeah. And it's dangerous. Our brain, we're awe deprived and we need more of it. So the fact that you can go in your own neighborhood and increase, make the world more enticing just on a walk is, that's incredible to think about. And that's why when we talk about mindfulness or we have these other strategies to really get us in the moment of our lives, this is what it's about.

You really cannot be thinking about what you're going to post and enjoy the place you're living at the exact same moment. Like our brains can't do that quite and give us the chemicals we need. So it's like doing stuff on purpose. Anyway, so I really like his leaf example. I thought that was a great one of just seeing the preciousness as well, like of something so ordinary. it can be a powerful way to kind of move you towards enticing versus dull. Yeah. Okay.

I like it a lot. All right. Last one. Alive versus mechanistic. What do you guys think? This is where actually I was below the USA average. I don't feel like the world itself is a machine with purpose. I feel like the people, like you, the people have purpose, but that there's no like,

the world has this purpose that you either fall into or don't fall into kind of thing. I don't like thinking that the choices I make or the decisions or the goals I set for myself are part of anything more than a goal to get my community, my even personal self to a certain place rather than the world is getting you to this place and you're just kind of along for the ride. Yeah, maybe let me define this a little for those who are. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, alive means that you, you have this, you know, belief that everything happens for a purpose, you're intended to do things.

There's like a specialness to you and everyone and all of this is working together for some common real reason, right? Like meaning and value, which we know from all the happiness research, finding purpose and finding meaning is crucial to feeling good, right? So that's probably why that scales for people who are feeling a little better about life that they feel they have a purpose. So mechanistic is more like nobody's special. We don't need you.

It's a little more indifferent. And like you said, there can be this distinguishment between like me and my own sphere versus I'm impacting, you know, the butterfly effect. butterfly flaps its wings and it affects the whole world. It's kind of the opposite of that. Like, you know, you live, you die, you pay your taxes and maybe raise a kid. But it's not that special versus this sort of bigger, deeper, alive sense. Okay. So what was your score on that against? What do you think? I scored, let's see, I scored a little bit about a two point, I scored 2.4 and the USA average is three. So a little bit below the world. And I think,

obviously spiritualism and religion have some effect on that. I don't consider myself to be, well, I'm not religious at all, if anything agnostic, probably, as opposed to atheist. Yeah. Open-minded in case there is something out there, so I'm not complete, like, no, there's a chance. I'm definitely am saying there's a chance. But I feel like that's probably why the world score is higher, or the USA score is higher. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to see the numbers in like Finland or other places where there's sort of, yeah. It'd be interesting to see these results from different. For sure. Different countries would be. Yeah. They tend to be more, less religious or not or, you know, have their basic needs like healthcare met.

How do they respond? Yeah. Okay. Scott, how about you? What do you think in terms of where you fall? And it's not just religious, right? It can just be also. So, you know, my purpose is to run this organization that helps people feel good.

Right. So having not taken the test again, I don't know exactly how it would score me. But my take on that is there's no, I don't believe in like determination or destiny or everything has a purpose. That whole piece of business is just not doesn't even resonate with me like at all. but I have a strong belief that people can make individual differences, can make individual destinations. Like if somebody really wants to do a thing, they will, they will either do it or can die trying and it'll be a respectful trying.

Like there's a way for everybody to make a positive impact and do it in a real meaningful way. But it's, but there's no, there's nothing where it's like. for sure 100% this person here will be the one who does the thing I don't believe any of that right yeah the difference between people who think that everything happens for purpose versus I think people have a purpose and it's up to them to fulfill that purpose versus the world creating that purpose yeah there's no I don't think there's any like framework to where we're supposed to fit into that we're just supposed to do the best we can with the time we have yes and I don't know his exact take on those definitions but I would describe what both you or both of you are saying is the aliveness I think of, right? A little more than, you know, mechanistic. I just think of it. Yeah, it feels so, saying mechanistic and I feel like that's almost where my spot on the bar graph is putting me.

I don't feel like it's completely like the world makes no difference whether what I do in it. But. But that, if that's the world, if that's your deep world belief that it makes no difference, no matter what I do, that if that's what we're measuring, right, then you're going to not be enjoying a lot of things. Yeah, right. Exactly. Then what's the point? Yeah. Versus you're in the alive category for individuals, maybe not some collective.

I think that's it. I think that if this was asked as, you know, questions that separated people as. a purpose and destiny versus the world itself or the universe as a destiny like the way he describes that those who see the world as mechanistic see the universe as a mindless machine with no plans or desires which i kind of like you know all right the universe doesn't have like a hey we're trying to get you to this point right here but it still feels it's so that feels so empty and devoid of life that description uh and i don't feel like i terribly agree with it but it does it is kind of where the bar put me even though. Gotcha. Okay. So I have a question that's kind of seemed

sort of a little unrelated, but I, and it might be. I don't know. But when you've seen videos or like examples or illustrations of like, you know, you're on earth, you see a picture of earth or someone, they pan out and suddenly they're showing like the ginormousness of the known universe versus, you know, like you're, you're experiencing. that there's a I forget what they call it but anyway like that kind of expansive view that makes us look like nothing you know just tiny tiny what is what feeling do you have when you see that hmm um I wish I had a thing to show yeah like but it but it starts with seeing the person and then panning out from that right so it's like kind of the of the

the the oh look at the look at all of the stuff around me as opposed to, yeah, I'm a piece of mold on a giant, gorgeous fruit kind of thing. I definitely see it as the former. Like, look at this beauty and abundantness that's around me. I go back and forth on it. So that puts you in solid, alive territory. Yeah, for sure. I go back and forth. I'm fascinated by both, both the macro and the micro view. So when I'm looking at the world from my perspective, it's big and gorgeous and insane. When I look at the world from a galactic universe perspective, universal perspective,

we are a tiny, tiny speck, and I am a infinitely tiny spec on that spec. Like, I think, anyway, that I have a healthy combination of those two things because the one, both of them put me in awe. Like I see a giant red cliff somewhere and just think, man, nature, time, earth.

This is amazing. I can't believe I'm here. And then at the same time, I can do the pale blue dot, Carl Sagan thing and see the universe for what it is, and especially as we start to learn more about how large it really is and these recent images from telescopes and stuff, I find that on inspiring as well, even though it diminishes my eveliness, you know, it makes us impossibly small in the larger scale.

Because I think, well, and both of you are talking about aliveness still, right? Like, you can have a perspective that shifts, but it's neither use the word alone, powerless, purposeless, you know, like, I think people who maybe tend to be more on the mechanistic side will experience, like, nothing matters. Really, like, that's an example of, like, no matter what I do here, who freaking cares, this thing is way bigger than me. Kind of like a negative, a little more negative, it's not awe they're experiencing. it's something else where's both of you described ah right yeah yeah for sure sure like

i'd enjoy going on those aw walks and uh you would check out those roly polis is that what they call them in um Colorado yeah pill bugs yeah yeah I thought we call them incorrectly potato bugs potato bugs yeah they're not potato bugs potato bugs are very different but we used to call I do love a good regional word that is so unique so I found one recently and one of one of listeners was in Vegas and we laughed our heads off about it. A certain part of Wisconsin, they call drinking fountains. Oh,

Bublars. Did you know that word? I did, yeah. I never called it a bubbler, but I live next door to a couple to a bubbler. Dorks from Wisconsin, and so I've heard them talk about their weird use of bubblers. That's very odd. Yeah. I love that.

Never heard of it. What about slapjack? Ever play slapjack? Oh, all the time. All the time. we like that's another one that came up yesterday it felt like it was just a Utah thing like nobody else nobody in the chat room except for a couple people had heard of like slap jack what the heck is that yeah right see enticing the world's so interesting alive enticing and safe yeah and here's the thing you may be hearing this and going well I none of those I don't like any of it the world scary the world's

dull the world's mechanistic hey it's fine there's room for everybody right it is just an interesting way to think about can I and I mean if I if I'm honest most of my job ends up being helping people loosen up some of their world beliefs and maybe not these exact topics but feeling more safe right like that's a huge thing I worry about and work on all the time with people and helping them feel more alive helping them see their own worlds as more enticing I mean it's the opposite is the thing I'm working against. So it may sound like I'm like, I'll bias. And I am a little bit because I do see people thriving in those categories.

But can we shift some things and recognize that, hey, maybe I have a natural tendency to want to believe the negative thing? And what would it look like if I backed out of that for a minute and was open to being not right about human nature all the time? or, you know, allowing some things to surprise me or, you know, that type of thing. That's why, as we all kind of get our news from the exact same source that is going to just feed, give us a feedback loop of what we want to hear, I mean, we don't get surprised or learn or, you know, maybe open to some stuff.

And I think that has a negative impact on us. I just do. So thanks for going down this rabbit hole with me and experiencing a little bit. No, it's been great. If people at home are like, Wayne, I never got to hear anything. any of this go check them out they're all wherever you get your podcast you can either do through lines when things fall apart uh and then follow that up with or do first the how your belief shape reality from hidden brain and uh and then listen to this episode again and see where you landed

uh i have now taken the test do you have any last second questions of uh of where give us your scores real quick okay okay so safe safe how much how much of the world do you think is safe blue is me yellow is average okay i'm just getting used to this um i am a let's see pleasurable i'm at a four regenerative regenerative regeneriv there you go four also about 4.5 on progressing and about 3.5 on harmless and i am did you is there like a set at the top of the page that says your safe world belief score and then a number your enticing world belief score um oh here it is yeah so we got blue, orange, and yellows. Oh, I just have numbers.

I don't have any. Oh, I got like full on charts. Did you do the 18 question survey? Did you do a bigger, the longer one? Oh, I don't know. I assume there was only one. If you did 300 questions while we were just chatting. No, it wasn't 300.

It wasn't 300, but it gave me a chart. It was either 99, 18, or six questions. I'm looking here. They don't ever really give me, other than the chart score. I don't have like number scores anywhere. Oh, weird. But the chart gave me, um, So the overall, the summary, you may believe the world is.

I got about 3.8 on SAFE, about 4.2 on enticing and about 2.5 on alive. Really close. Yeah. So I had 3.8 on SAFE. You mean, are you trying to tell me that even though we share that difference in the movie The Mist, Scott and I are more alike than we probably realized? Weird. I mean, do you think this is a ploy by all?

media to show a fight so there's something to talk about? No, I think you're right. Dude, I went to a-guard and Scott's the prisoner. I watched a bunch of three- and four-year-olds play soccer yesterday with a dude who is, says some of the most gnarly, racist, kind of mean-spirited, freaking gross things. And I had the most pleasurable time with this guy. He was, he was, here's the thing we have in common. We love this little kid who's out there playing.

in soccer that's all you need like in some cases it's all you need i have a i don't want i didn't want to call out names or names but he sometimes he sometimes has stuff to say we don't have to names do we sometimes says some things that are just like oh boy really we're going there like it's it's a thing but when we get together it's nothing but a pleasurable time hanging out and and part you know i know there's a part of the world that wants me to shun the guy and there's another part of the world that wants me to join in with the guy. Well, F, all of you. I'm not in any of your categories.

I'm going to hang out at the soccer game and enjoy my time with him because in some ways, he's nicer or as nice as other people who claim to be nicer. And by the way, that binary is not real either. There's a huge subset that's like, of course it is. There are no binaries. Bineries don't exist. Less extremism would be really great. Right.

The binaries don't exist. I freaking hate it. And I'm tired of getting categorized. People are like, well, you're just a, you're a libertarian, really. the end of the day. I'm like, don't give me your labels. F off. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to be what you think I am. I'm some of column A, a little bit of column B, and then the egg roll from Colise. I think the world is safe, enticing, and I'm midway between alive and mechanism. Exactly. Although I did notice, so the orange line, which is people like me,

it says, they're all lower than me, except for the alive part. They're higher than me. Yeah. So, even though I don't have colors, I still have, uh, that is pretty close to, uh, Like the bars for USA average for a live world belief are higher than me versus everything else where I'm higher than the average on the on the USA. And I'll put this on our Discord, but there's also a yellow line for who are they? So that might be, you might have, you might have still gotten the Jair Clifton study, but might not have done it from the same website. Oh, maybe not. What's got his stuff all over it? Well, anyway.

So that chart I just put in there, you can see it. And they have a yellow for average. So this is most people, I guess. And my blue line is where I landed compared to all of that. Alive is kind of just flipping this off with the... Yeah, it's like a bird at the end. Look at that. People like you.

So oranges, people like you. No, orange is average, right? Oh, no, I'm sorry. People like you. You're right. Who is you? Orange is people like you and yellow is the average. Interesting.

Yeah. Which tells me they're not like me. No, exactly. I know. That's what I love about. The blue is so far from the orange on a couple of those that it's like, how can those be the people like me? The middle one is throwing the goat horns from like our favorite metal band.

And then the last one is flipping us off. So that's interesting. I'll bet because this one didn't ask me to log in. I'll bet you could look at mine just by clicking that and you'd see my. Oh, let me just see it. Let's see. Yeah.

You see. Fine with me. Oh, no. It's wanting me to take it again. Oh, it is. Okay. All right. Yeah, it doesn't give me results.

They can't. They've set you in. So good. All right. I got to have lunch and go to work. Yeah. You should go do all those things. Thanks, thanks for this.

This has been great. RealSteps.org, everybody. It's Wendy. Have a fantastic week and tell mom that she wouldn't have held you down in Vegas. Oh, yeah, happy Mother's Day, everybody. Oh, happy Mother's Day to you, too, as a mother. Yeah, with your four kids and your whatnot. All right, we'll see you later.

Her four kids and her whatnot. And her whatnot. All right. That was good stuff, as always, with Wendy. So thanks everybody for hanging out for that. Let's get out of here. We've got a quick text we need to read before we do anything else or goo anything else. This is from Colin in Seattle who says, hello, salt and butter.

Pro tip for popcorn eating techniques. Use chopsticks. Makes the bowl last longer and you don't get your fingers all greasy when you go back to your controller or keyboard. It says it's a bit tough to do in a theater. Yeah. Who says, but worth it? Pop the kernel, yo. Says Colin.

Kim does this. Yeah, we'll do this in a theater, but I love that idea. And just the fact that it would force me to slow down instead of like, How quickly can I consume this tub of popcorn, which is exactly, you know. Never fast enough when it's... Yeah, if I could just attach a vacuum hose to my face and the other, put the other end of it in the bowl, I probably would. It'd be cool if it would only, like, you could set it to only send one kernel every 12 seconds or something. Yeah.

And just have it time it. That'd be good. Well, it just would need to be a thin, like the straw metaphor, Scott. It would just be one popcorn with straw. Yeah, you're right. That's all it would fit. And you just have to, you can't suck the whole thing down on one bite. Just don't do that.

I'm going to invent popcorn tongs and 3D print them. And you can just eat them with popcorn tongs. Keep your eye on Etsy. It's coming soon. Coming soon. Let's get out of here with some info about upcoming shows. Coverville Today, 130 Mountain. You want to tell folks about it.

Yeah. She didn't do a whole album about it. for Pete's sake, but Adele just turned 35. You know what that album would be called, by the way? It would be called 35. Adele just turned 35, and it's about time to do another Adele episode of the show. So, of course, covers of things like Rumor Has It and Hello and Set Fire to the Rain, and a version of Rolling in the Deep that isn't jury going do-do-do-de-de-de-de, unfortunately. I could not get the rights to that.

But a lot of great songs, including some covers by Adele, one of which is a very hard to find in the U.S. cover that she did of Sam Cook. Oh. So we're going to hear that today. 1 p.m. Mountain Time Twitch.tv.tv slash Coverville. She'd call that episode, Welcome to the 35, but do it in the voice of... Welcome to the 35. Right?

That's very good. That's very good. Well done. Nicely played, sir. That's right. I'll be on DT&S today. We're talking about the ASIS ROG ally, the brand new released and now on order. for people, I guess pre-order, a handheld device that's a lot like the steam deck with a little more power and we're going to talk about whether that thing is worth it to you or not. So check that

out. DTNS happening with the Daily Tech news show later this afternoon. I think that's at 2 p.m. Mountain Time. So watch Coverville and then come watch DTNS right after that. There'll be a skim episode going up at some point today. Don't know exactly what time. Just got to get Kim in here and get it done. And Core tonight, 5 p.m. the usual Thursday evening recording of Core. A lot to talk about about a bunch of new games that came out this week. So do check that out at 5 p.m. right here at frogpance.tv. Cool.

And couch party tomorrow. We don't know what we're doing, but I like doing comedies that we couldn't necessarily do for film sac. You know, movies that we could split up or TV shows or something like that. Stuff we can do on there is always good, I think. So we'll come up with something in the next, you know, a few hours and let you guys know. That's right. And prior to that, there will be a guest to connection.

I'll be given away some nerdy shit that I have around that I got sent via loot crate and, and, was it, loot crate, nerd box, or what was the other one? Geek Fuel. Geek Fuel. So one of those things that I got in there that, oh, I think, yeah, I've got a flat pack Batmobile that you can assemble. It comes in like a little flat square and you pop out all the pieces and you make your own Batmobile from the recent Pattinson

Baton movie. I like that one. That's a cool Batmobile. Yeah, I like that one a lot. That's like a Mad Max car with gadgets. It's pretty rad. Yeah, so that'll be at 9 o'clock, an hour before whatever time, an hour before couch party is in your neck of the world. That sounds great. Don't forget

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back next Thursday. So a week from today, brand new episode, all other things unaffected. So I will be in Vegas, but I will be thinking of you each and every day. I'm sure you will. I sure will. That's it.

We're done. We need music, though. So would you have something there? Yes. Amy, we talked to her earlier in the show. And she's asking when the next play date is. May 26th will be the next play date, by the way. Two weeks from tomorrow.

That sounds right. She said, hey, Scott and Brian on May 11, 2013, Chuck and I got to announce to everyone that we want to grow into old dorks together on this, our 10th anniversary. to hear a cover of the song that was playing when I walked in. Such Great Heights by the Postal Service. We used the one from Garden State, but if you've already played that one, any other will do. And then she says, Chuck, I love you. You're my favorite.

I look forward to continuing to level up with my best friend, signed Amy Redfragel Robinson. Very sweet. Very sweet. Congratulations again, you too. We've never played on this show, The Such Great Heights by Iron and Wine, which was the one featured on the Garden State soundtrack.

So, we'll play that song that you heard 10 years ago today as you and Chuck danced merely down the aisle from the soundtrack to Garden State. Covering Postal Service here is Iron and Wine and Such Great Heights. I'm thinking it's a sign that the freckles in our eyes are mirror images and when we kiss they're perfectly aligned And I have to speculate that God himself did make us into corresponding shapes like puzzle pieces from the clay. In truth, it may seem like a stretch,

But it's thoughts like this that catch my trouble And when you're away When I am missing you today When you were out there on the road For several weeks of shows And when you scan the radio Oh, I hope this song will guide you. They will see us waving from such great heights.

Come down now, they'll say, yeah. But everything looks perfect from. from far away, come down now, but we'll stay, yeah. I tried my best to leave, it's all on your machine, but the purse is and beat it sounded thin upon listening and that frankly will not fly you will hear the shrillest highs and lowest lows with the wind does down when this is guiding you They will see us waving from such great heights. Come down now, they'll say, but everything looks perfect from far away. Come down now, but we'll stay.

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