The Morning Stream - TMS 2472: Squandered Opportunity

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

RK - Really Yellow. Why are Men? 46 year old chubby women, covered in mud are my thing. The Sniff Of Weights. Jorts are a little suspect. Age/Sex/Legs. I think Brian might like Spiderman. I'm pushing... it in! Full Jackass Moment. Bluetubey. Change into Your Grubbies, We're Doin' Sandbags! Did I Ever Tell You About the Time I Was a Chef and a Butcher? Frogpiss! Throw Pottery & People Out of Your Chatroom With Amy. Cheating Cancer with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Coming up on TMS, RK. Really Yellow. Why are men? Forty-year-old chubby women covered in mud is my thing. The sniff of weights. Jorts are a little suspect. Age, sex, legs. I think Brian might like Spider-Man. I'm pushing it in.
Starting point is 00:00:16 Full jackass moment. Blue-tobey. Change into your grubbies. We're doing sandbags. Does I ever tell you about the time I was a chef and a butcher? Frog piss. Throw pottery and people out of your chat room with Amy. Cheating cancer with Wendy.
Starting point is 00:00:30 more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Happy Mother's Day to all mothers in the land. I have met so many kind and wonderful mothers, even stepmothers. Smart people know that no one is safe from B.O. The Morning Stream. This little piggy is going to market. Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to TMS. It's the morning stream for Thursday, June 1st, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian. I'm Scott Johnson. New month, man. New month. Woo! New month. Brand new month. It's a big month because you got, we got Diablo 4 coming out today. We got Brian's trip to Vegas coming up. You got your MS-150 coming up. That's right. We got Spider-Man coming out. We got...
Starting point is 00:01:30 family reunion for me, a trip to, yeah, we mentioned a trip to Vegas, my God, it is a, it is a jam-packed month of stuff. Yeah, we got a brand new Transformers film, which I may be the only one excited about, but I am. Yep, you certainly are on this show. Yeah, I don't know why. I think it's just anything without Michael Bay at the helm I'm excited about, but also, you know what, that's true, because Bumblebee, I did enjoy Bumblebee. Is this, are we yet in a place where they're, they're consistent, like as far as, I know, know the bumblebee thing was kind of like um new lore new uh canon kind of thing they didn't reboot it what they did is they went back to the 80s and so this bumble this bumbleby story happens in the late 80s
Starting point is 00:02:17 or something this one i don't actually know the time frame but in this one you get the full compliment of you know beast yeah you get the beast from from and i love look i will unapologetically tell the world that when Beast Wars was out yeah I couldn't have been happier I love that show it was so cool it looks like shit now trust me it's garbage looking 3D stuff they was at the time I'm sure yeah at the time it was groundbreaking right now it's just terrible but but uh I love those characters and the maximals are cool as hell and even though Pete Davidson's in this and I have some worries about his character because it's just always a little weird when he's in things is Pete Davidson your male aquafina?
Starting point is 00:02:57 Is he basically like the, like you can't, when Pete Davidson is, is on screen, you can't, he's always Pete Davidson as opposed to being able to. Kind of,
Starting point is 00:03:06 yeah. Like, you know how she has, she has performed, we talked about yesterday, how she'll have a performance where you'll go, oh,
Starting point is 00:03:12 that's not the thing that annoys me. She's very good in this. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. He's like that too. There'll be things I'll see. And I'll go,
Starting point is 00:03:19 oh, man, he's great. He should do more like that. And then it'll turn around and do something that's very sort of, whatever his schstick is. is. And I don't know what this is yet. He plays Mirage. It's a car that can duplicate itself and confuse the cops or whatever. It's set in 1994. So I think this tracks as a actual sequel
Starting point is 00:03:40 to the late 80s one. Yeah. So the sequel to Bumblebee prequel to the other ones. Correct. Yeah. And I think they're not rewriting everything because everything looks a lot of like. We've got similar characters and everything. But I just think these directors have better takes than Michael Bay. Michael Bay just threw shit at the wall, you know? Yeah, I feel like it. And they just have to write it so carefully to explain why nobody remembers the previous Transformers when the Michael Bay movies, you know, when you get to the original films that these are prequels of.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Like, oh, yeah, there were some ginormous robots that fought on. Yeah, there's a little bit of that going on. Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, you know, if they consider us a rebroad. boot, I'm all for it. It's fine. But I just love, I love me some Transformers, and like I always say, in the right hands, anything works. So let's see how this goes.
Starting point is 00:04:31 It's not the same director as Bumblebee, but it's... Okay, but it's still a different director than... New director, yeah. Same writer, though, as bumblebee, so that's cool. So we'll see. As you are, and as I'm sure most of our audiences, I'm still hopeful for Indiana Jones,
Starting point is 00:04:48 even though, you know, initial reviews weren't stellar. Um, you're, you're pulling up rotten tomatoes right now. I'm going to see if it's moved at all. Adjusted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see if the needle is moved on that movie. I bet it won't because I mean, that's, there haven't been other releases of the films since the, that pre-release last month. Hmm. I think you're probably right. That's probably all we, oh, let's see, it's actually gone down a little. Let's see. It's really, oh God, so really, the needle did move, but just the wrong, but not the way we'd like. Yeah. Only a couple of new reviews. So I put it at 49. It was at 53. Last I checked.
Starting point is 00:05:24 So that's pretty low. What were the, what was a crystal skull in that list? Crystal scroll was higher than this at the time. Oh, really? Yeah, let me pull that up. Let me confirm that. And that's, of course, with full review. So maybe that's what changes.
Starting point is 00:05:42 But the crystal skull came with, oh, geez, that had a 77. What? I know, dude. Yeah, that actually feels. feels like it's been... Something's aft. Yeah, exactly. Like somebody's playing games
Starting point is 00:05:57 the other direction. Yeah, something's zuffed up there because that movie really, really sucked. But anyway, listen to this. This review made me sad because I don't think it's, it's just kind of a wrong thing to say. This review, which is negative, says,
Starting point is 00:06:10 this isn't the goodbye which Harrison Ford deserves. We're not saying goodbye to Harrison Ford. We're just saying goodbye to Indiana Jones. Okay? Exactly. Harrison Ford's still got some golf course to crash his plane into
Starting point is 00:06:22 in the future. sure, it'll all be fine. Plenty of that. Yes, exactly. Anyway, when is that coming out? We got... June 20th, oh, 30th, it says. It looks like, well, wide release 30th.
Starting point is 00:06:34 It might be select earlier, but... And the week before, that Wednesday, we get finally the new Marvel TV show, Secret Invasion. Finally, like, nothing since She-Hulk last fall, summer, whenever that was. Too long. They've been working on that. Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse sitting at 95. Five percent. Cool.
Starting point is 00:06:54 All right, good, good. You're going to have a good time tonight, Brian. I am, provided I can stay awake. I held a little bit of the old insomnia last night, Scott. I woke up at one. I did this exact thing. Tell me more. Did you really?
Starting point is 00:07:08 Yeah. Yeah, tried to get back to sleep, sat there for half an hourling, a bit like, you know, all right, let's just focus on my breathing, not think about anything else. And it was really knee pain. I did, I went on a long walk yesterday. Oh, I love knee pain. I don't like the auto tune as much, but I really like knee pain for it. He's great.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Anyway. I'm on a boat. Yeah. But, yeah, the knee pain is making it hard for me to go sleep. So went out in the other room, put ice on my knee, sat there in the dark for a little while, said, well, I'm wide awake. Let's watch the finale of Barry, because I caught up to everything but the actual final episode. Sure. And, I mean, that didn't help.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Did they stick to the landing without spoiling anything? Do you think they stuck it? It was, it was, um, it was a good ending. Yeah, you know what? I'll say this. It was a good ending. It was, um, uh, a good final season. Maybe it wasn't kind of the thing I was hoping for, for all the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, people in his, uh, his, people in his orbit.
Starting point is 00:08:20 Yeah. But, you know, because you got Fuchs, you got NoHo, you got Sally, you got Kusano. Anyway, it was, the very final thing you see is, is, oh, man, yeah, I want to be careful. I'm going to be very careful. It's jarring because it's true. Okay. All right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Jarring because it's true. Interesting. Jarring because it's true. I'll take, I like that mysterious review. I like it. Yeah, yeah. I'm not so sure. We're about halfway through.
Starting point is 00:08:56 We haven't finished the Ted Lassau season finale. I love Ted Lassau, but I'm just not sure I enjoyed this last season as much as the previous two seasons. I've heard middling things about the final half of that season. Yeah. It's a bummer because I really, really wanted, really wanted to, you know, love Ted Lassow. going out on a high, and it didn't feel like it did for me as much. And then we're still working our way through Succession. Nice.
Starting point is 00:09:27 That show's good and addicting, though, isn't it? Succession. Yeah, it is. That final season so far is really good, and it's already going places. Like, a thing that I thought wouldn't happen until later in the final season seems to have happened. And it's probably not something that other people were expecting, so it's not a spoiler for me to say that it was, I just finished season one so I'm I'm just rooting for Cameron oh wow I'm rooting for Cameron I don't care where things go I don't know what happens I just
Starting point is 00:09:56 want Cameron to win sure yeah I love that guy I just keep waiting for his scene you know Kendall's gonna keep he's gonna keep calling he's gonna keep calling me he's gonna tell me to come over I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna do it Kendall's gonna keep call I'm not gonna do it then he does it and also Kieran Culkin I really like your work but in season one you did something nasty to a window and I never quite got over that so the writers for that show must love writing for for his character
Starting point is 00:10:28 yeah I forgot his character's name Roman oh Roman that's Roman yeah he is he consistently delivers the best lines of the show and he delivers him so fantastic and I know people you know I'm always bringing up Fargo whenever I can Fargo Season 2, Kieran Culkin's character, which short-lived. It's not really a spoiler to say that.
Starting point is 00:10:52 I guess it kind of is. Years ago, but it's years ago. It's years ago. 2015 that came out, the greatest year ever of entertainment. But anyway, his role in that was incredible. And I remember at the time thinking, well, let's go with Karen Culkin. This is a whole new world. He's really good in this.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Holy crap, what's next? And I felt like it took a really long time to see what was next. I'm sure he did other stuff. But Succession feels like, you know, when we finally got him again. It feels like a big gap between those two things. I guess it was only like a year later or two years later that succession started because we're four seasons into that. So something like that. But anyway, there you go.
Starting point is 00:11:25 There's Brian's non-review. There's Brian's finale reviews. Nice. Still waiting on the finale for succession, but so far the final season has been great. Do you think is it stupid to wish for a no-ho Hank spinoff? Is that a bad idea? No, I don't think it's stupid at all. He's such a fantastic character that he's, that he feels like he,
Starting point is 00:11:44 He's got, I mean, Fuchs is great, Cousineau is great, Sally's great. But out of all of those, again, that group that's closest to Barry, he does feel like the character that I would love to know more about. Let's get a better call Saul spinoff going of Noho, Hank. I would love that. I'd be super into it. All right, a couple quick things. Oh, reminder, the morning forum, we'll give it out on Monday. this week's question is how many
Starting point is 00:12:15 hours do you game each week? Perfect thing to remind people about on Diablo 4 launch day or at least early access day for those who already bought the game. Go to frogpants.com slash the morning form and fill it out. Your answers don't matter as much
Starting point is 00:12:28 as you making sure you enter because then you get a frogpants fun pack in the mail. You get a prize if you are chosen from that list but it's also fun to look at that data. So get in there, check it out, frogpants.com slash the morning form. I got a quick question about a thing happen. Yeah, before we get off
Starting point is 00:12:44 the morning form, where do you be, because you'll next time we talk about it, you'll have seen the data and you haven't looked at the data on what people's gaming things, gaming hour habits are. Where do you think people are going to land? Our audience there's a nine, I think what did I say, 10 or more was the final one? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:02 I think a lot of that. I think so too. I see, I predict more than 50% in the 10 hours or more per week. Yeah, there's been some thought in my head. I didn't give it enough granularity and I should have like said you know 80 to 100 hours or something right yes oh my god yeah there's there's going to be people in there i know there is some dedicated wow raiders in our group that uh yeah yeah they have to give the time and that and for some diablo folks that's going to change overnight today oh god yeah their number so right so anyway uh get in there i want to send you guys some free stuff
Starting point is 00:13:33 um okay so i said r k i mean okay i don't know i said r k what does r k stand for uh really yellow I don't know. Here's the deal. I'm in a store parking lot. Do you have Smiths where you are? The Smiths? No, no, but I've heard of them. I've seen them.
Starting point is 00:13:52 I've been to them during my travels across this great land. That's right. There's one in Vegas. We went to. That was pretty fun. That was the one where I went and saw the worst bathroom ever. It was in Vegas. And that guy went, God.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Oh, damn it. That was that guy. Okay. Anyway, we're in the store parking lot of a local smiths, and locals will know what I'm talking about. They're very nice. you know regular chain owned by i think croger owns them now so they're kind of expanding and all that anyway i'm in the parking lot you know i've had a few experiences in parking lots that don't make
Starting point is 00:14:22 any sense to me yes i got a new one i'm putting the i'm putting the cart back because i am a good citizen oh yeah yeah i don't just leave shit or push it and let it go whatever it takes yeah you take the cart back even if it's in another aisle whatever you do the you do the you do the you do the right thing right there are two things you do you pick up poo and your dog drops it on the yes and you put the cart back in the in the grocery store parking lot those are the two things you do as a bare minimum baseline default okay because we live in a society here we live in a society so um i'm doing that i'm putting the cart back and i'm going to push it into place just kidding i'm pushing it in and i'm and i'm trying to make it you know i'm doing like a trying to make
Starting point is 00:15:10 it's so the thing's compressed and not sticking out in the road because they hadn't come and cleared it in a while. So I was doing that and I was working it. And this guy walks by and he's wearing jorts. Okay. And this may not have any... Already, already I'm cringing. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:26 I may have no bearing on what happened. I don't know. Like the jorts are just what he was wearing. So I don't want to make that seem like a big deal. But, you know, shorts are a little suspect. I don't always like him. For some reason, John Jagger has me wearing jorts and the wrestling thing, the Frogman's wrestling thing. Is he really?
Starting point is 00:15:40 Yeah, and he's kept him because he just thinks it's funny, but I never wear jorts. I need to go and watch those. I feel horrible that I haven't watched any of those. Oh, you should. You and I have been kicking ass in that thing. Have we really? Okay, great. I'm glad to hear it. Big time TMS stuff going on. The big upsets have been like, what was it? Right now my character is being accused of colluding with the enemy or something. Oh, so there's even, it's not just the wrestling part.
Starting point is 00:16:10 There's all the stuff that goes around the wrestling. All of all the stories and you, you're going to regret the day. That sort of thing. Oh, yeah. And John's commentary, like, it puts all that into perspective while we're watching the matches. And it's like, the game also has this weird thing where actual WWE people will show up and interfere as if it was part of the deal. So, like, you might be, it's Brian, I forget your nickname, crap, but you'll be fighting. Randy the butcher Jordan.
Starting point is 00:16:42 That's what he's called. And he's dressed like a butcher when he's in the ring. When he's out of the ring, he's dressed like a chef. So it's like this, you know, it's a whole thing.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Anyway, you guys are in there wrestling and fighting. And all sudden, John Sina or somebody will show up on the outside of the ring just staring at you. And then he'll get in and like fight and like join the fray
Starting point is 00:16:59 and then kind of cause the thing to go a certain way or whatever. And then everyone's like, why is John Sina getting involved? And like, John has done this. John Jagger's done this in a way that it all makes sense. And there's a whole story with everything.
Starting point is 00:17:10 So it's pretty. great. I think it feels like it should be Chris Jericho, but that's fine, that's fine. Sometimes it's a, oh, I forgot his name. I think it might be just current roster wrestlers, and I'm not, and John Cena's on the cover of that game, so I think that's the only reason
Starting point is 00:17:24 he's even in it, because I don't think he's wrestling now, anywhere. I don't think. I think he shows up once in a while to be like, he's too busy with all that peacemaker stuff. Yeah, he's a busy boy. He's got work to do. Yeah. Anyway, so we're in the parking lot there. Yes, sorry. That's all good. And
Starting point is 00:17:39 And as I'm pushing these in, shubbing it into the place, guy walks by and jorts and goes, squandered opportunity. And that keeps walking. Oh, no. Not another one of these like, what did he mean? So I turn around and he said squandered opportunity. It wasn't like I misheard, you know, it's not like, frog piss or cheese bucket or something like that. Yeah, none of that, no fart gas, no explosive tip.
Starting point is 00:18:08 It was exactly squandered opportunity. Could it be Scott, though, the Raylan Givens thing? Like, you mishear one person, it's probably on them. You go through your whole life, mishearing a dozen people. Maybe it's you. Okay, so this is a fair point. And I thought about this. And I do have this thing.
Starting point is 00:18:28 Yeah. I should probably take in like an ADHD, like, proper test. Because I do have this thing where people will say things. And it's not that I don't hear it. Like, Kim will say something. It's not that I don't hear her say it. Like, my hearing is fine. It's that my translation of what she said gets funky.
Starting point is 00:18:49 She'll say something like, do you feed the dogs? And I'll say, fairy hogs. Like, to me in my head, I just hear it. I hear it the way I kind of want to hear it. It's weird. Or it's more that, yeah, I'll take the dogs out or something like that. Right? Like, you're hearing her say, feed the dogs, and you're brain saying dogs.
Starting point is 00:19:07 dogs. Yeah. Okay, I'll take the dogs for walking. Okay, I'll take the dogs for walk. Just like, that's not what I asked. It's that kind of thing. And I think that, I think that may be a play here, are totally willing to admit that. I can't say that I don't see it here every once in a while. Oh, of course. Of course. I do it on shows. I have, you know, it's a shock. It doesn't happen even more of a more of a question. Yeah, yeah. And he just shook his head and kept walking. Shook his head and kept walking. Oh, really? Like not even worth the time. For me to explain it. I'm not going to tell them what squandered opportunity means. So now I don't know. I got another mystery. Squandered opportunity. So what do you think that is? I got a cart.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Let's reassemble the aspects. I got a cart. What are you wearing? What was I wearing? Sounds like my obscene phone call script. Oh, I was wearing that shirt. I say it just like that, by the way, when I call somebody. What are you wearing?
Starting point is 00:20:02 I was wearing a short sleeve shirt with a, it was a button down, though. It's what I had on in the show yesterday. I can't remember how it looks. Oh, yeah, it was like a gray. Gray, yeah, but it had a little bit of plaid or not plaid, but like a pattern. But, but yeah, yeah, striped, okay. And I was wearing regular shorts. I only remember this because I had to look at your, I was looking at your core daily and like your, it's like, oh, yeah, that's the same shirt you wore it.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Like, he's got them in both, both, uh, yeah, you know, I got it. What I do sometimes is I will, I will pre-take my photo for. I heard you have one of you eating an apple. Yeah, I did that today. Yeah. And the funny thing is, I sometimes do it the day before and then realize, oh, shit, I'm wearing the same shirt in this shot. So it's stupid. Nobody's paying attention to that.
Starting point is 00:20:48 No, no, I don't think anyone noticed. He just paid attention to it. Yeah, it's all good. So anyway, I'm just, so what else? Button up shirt, plaid shirt kind of thing. Cargo shorts and a pair of Reebok running shoes. Okay. Oh, and a hat.
Starting point is 00:21:03 I had one of these on. I had one of my only hats that fit me in the world under armor hats. You're under armor hats. Yeah. All right. So, what opportunities were available to you? Did I squander? That she squandered.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Like, does he think you should have, like, taken that cart and, and ving, send it down the aisle, down the parking lot aisle at high speed? Do like a full jackass intro moment. something like that yeah squandered opportunity that's actually not bad i don't mind that theory that's pretty good i don't think so i don't think that that's i don't think that's something that somebody assumes somebody else is going to do like i can't believe you didn't just take that shopping cart and fire it down the parking lot that i speak so this guy was mid probably mid 40s if that has any impact as far as like you know what generational impact any of this has what else is he wearing so jorts
Starting point is 00:21:59 what's what's going out up up top we got a uh Salmon-colored, what do you call it, a polo shirt, like a polo? Okay. I don't know if it had the logo or not, but it was like short-sleeve collar. Salmon-looking shirt. Cowboy hat? No cowboy hat. I don't know why I was visualizing this guy with a cowboy hat and shorts.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Sandals. Sandals looked like, no socks in the sandals, but it looked like my keens, a little bit like those open-toe keen-type sandals. Yep. And he was walking, well, I didn't follow him all the way, so I'm not sure which car it turned out but it looked like it was this new uh then you know the new bronco the orange bronco oh yeah he would look like he was pulling futuristic looking thing yeah yeah underpowered apparently by all acquired opportunity dang it see right i don't know yeah yeah so once again
Starting point is 00:22:47 we open it to the audience no one in the chat has a good idea okay all right i have a theory okay go let's do it let's do it all right um uh he had headphones on and he was he was on a call with somebody and he was replying to them and when you said excuse me he didn't want to take the time to explain i'm on a call he just said just shook his head and kept walking like no nope not talking this isn't bad this is actually pretty good because i don't recall seeing the earbuds but they could have been there or it could have been just a one one off blue toby blue tubeby blue tube and his in his one ear or something that's entirely possible and then me going excuse me is like him going,
Starting point is 00:23:30 freaking not you. No, no, no. It's not you. Not you. Don't worry about it. Yeah. And he's having like a real business crisis moment or something on his phone. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Some, some, you know, one of his employees just completely blew a great sales potential lead and, oh, squandered on. Damn, dude. I think you may have just Sipowitz this. Well done. It's a bummer because it, you know, not having anything to do with you means it's a very boring. It's super lame. It comes out to be a very boring answer.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Yeah, it's very boring. At least with like explosive tip and stuff, these people are looking at me. yes you know rolling down their window forecast right in this case he's just walking so i think brian is on to something all right i drove somebody yesterday we're a 22 minute ride right all the way from from my part of town to the other side of downtown Denver and um things are you know quiet i've got a a playlist that really is just playing like classic rock heart lead zeppelin um um acedc deaf leopard kind of that sort of thing so like the harder edge but not like it doesn't go into the speed metal or anything like that yeah it's like mainstream hard rock from that area
Starting point is 00:24:39 mainstream hard rock etc yeah and all of a sudden i hear the one that go oh geez and i'm like i turn the music down i'm like are you all right everything okay she's like oh i'm sorry i've headphones and i'm watching a game show oh so so it wasn't you and your music choices. It wasn't me and my music, but it was a silent ride for like, you know, 21 minutes. We were a block away from where I'm dropping her off. And she goes, oh, geez. Like, what happened?
Starting point is 00:25:10 It's something you did. I love it. Yeah, it was like a new song just came on. I can't remember what it was, but a new song just came on. And she, you know, was like, I can skip it if you want. But no, she's just watching a game show. I don't know what you're like, oh, geez, Ken Jennings. How could you miss that question?
Starting point is 00:25:25 She didn't get into detail about what show it was, did she? Oh, it was. I mean, so I was the Ipswich clams. Oh, if she did that, you would have, that would have been a moment. I would have tipped her. You kidding me? Yeah, she gets a tip today. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:25:39 That's great. I was, but not a weirdo. You don't have enough weirdos, man, with your driving. I know, I know. It's been great. I've got, uh, I've been having some luck. I had that same ride, by the way, as I'm dropping her off. So I've got across Colfax Avenue, which is this rush hour, busy, busy,
Starting point is 00:25:57 busy. I see a window. I have to turn left, go into the side street, turn left, and there's a guy crossing the street. And so I stop and wait for him. He's crossing parallel to Colfax. So I've got my window. I've got to get out my butt out of the oncoming traffic. But there's time. And he looks at me like he's expecting me to be pissed off that he's going to walk in front of me. And he makes eye contact with me and he doesn't stop making eye contact with me as he's walking past because I'm not stopping staring at him too because he's staring at me oh my gosh so the whole time I've waited for him to cross he's got his headphones and his sunglasses and he's just following looking at me the whole time like he's expecting me to roll down my window and go get out
Starting point is 00:26:43 the way wow I'm like I'm just waiting for you to cross I mean it would have been nice if you would have waited two seconds you have right away but it would be nice if you would wait two seconds so I could get my butt out of traffic but you had right away and you you know you've earned that right as a pedestrian you were like uh maggie simpson and that weird baby with the eyebrows totally it was exactly that like just this like like just you know two staring at each other locked deadlocked in a in a staring contest who's going to flinch did he say squandered opportunity he didn't he's big old headphones these big old beats on his ears oh yeah that's what i wore this morning looking like a big weirdo out there had my big old fatties on yeah it's great
Starting point is 00:27:25 I like a little noise isolation when I can take the dog around the park. Oh, for sure. That's what I love about the new AirPods Pro is the sound isolation is boss. And then if I'm around other people or if I know the path is busy, there could be bikes. I turn it on to transparency and it works great too. Yeah, that's the way to do it. I have a pair of earbuds that do that from Raycon and then I have, what do I? Oh, and the brand of the big fatties I got are the anchor sound cores.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Oh, sure, yeah. Which were so much cheaper than any other version of these. Yeah. I hear great things about those. Yeah, they're great. So much cheaper, great sound. I love them. They're great.
Starting point is 00:28:06 They're great. Quick text before we move on to today's read this with Amy. Actually, maybe I'll save this because we want enough time with her. You know what? I'm going to do that. I'm going to save this text for the end of the show. All right. And instead, we're going to call Amy right now and get this going to start creating my post on quicktms.
Starting point is 00:28:23 dot l i for read this for june first yeah you guys we do that every day so you have this little extra bonus thing you know exactly so don't don't don't miss out don't skip out oh yeah don't don't you know don't walk past this staring at it uncomfortably don't miss this opportunity one of the things that i enjoy also is reading well look what we got here it's our favorite reading buddy uh amy robinson also known as red fragile three, wherever she goes on the internet. Amy, welcome back to the show. Well, hello. Hi. Thank you so much. How are you? And how is, have you back? Yeah, how was graduation? How'd that go for a boy? Oh, you know what? It went really great. I was like, after talking with you guys,
Starting point is 00:29:10 I was like, man, have I made a mistake by forcing my kid to go to this? Am I making myself miserable? Yeah. No. They had it. It was actually a pretty small graduating class. class because the school is a relatively new school. It's a STEM school. So they only had about 250 kids graduating. And so we had it in like, it was almost like a hall of a convention center. In fact, it was the hall of a convention center. So imagine, you know, the, the area where you would have like a panel or whatever at a con. It was like that. And then they started at 10 o'clock, like, bam, right on the money. They started playing pomp. in circumstance at 10 o'clock on the dot and they were done by 11 it was amazing that's the way to do it
Starting point is 00:30:01 that is like really well done the unicorn of uh graduation ceremonies yeah i would i would have loved that for my kids all three of them sucked they were all too long and horrible and sweaty and hot and lame that's that's amazing do you think it's because you live in georgia and georgia is known for being hot sticky and gross and uh you just are like get in get out folks we know you know, you've got to get back to your AC, let's get out of here. Like that? Oh, no. In fact, I think some of the bigger schools are actually in the arena proper. So, yeah, no, I think it was just because we had the benefit of being at a smaller school. And so they were able to, like, get us in, get us out. And they were also, like, everyone in our county, which, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:48 Georgia has a lot of counties, but, you know, we have, Gwinnett is one of the largest counties in Georgia. And every single one of Gwinnett schools had their graduation ceremony at that same arena. So they were very, like, you could go on their website and see all the different time slots for any different school or whatever. Some of those graduations are actually even still going on now three days later. Yeah. Yeah. They might be because I remember, you know, some parents were talking about like, oh, what day are you? You know, that kind of thing. Randall Jepson. Randall Jepson. And they gets up there, takes this thing. Oh, they go on forever,
Starting point is 00:31:29 dude. I hate him. Hate them. Anyway, well, I'm glad you're back. They were really snappy. And the kids got to do the cute thing where they threw their hats and everything. Yeah, it was great. It was good stuff. And we all got to take pictures with my, my goofy kid. And then he probably went off to, you know, several graduation parties and whatnot. You should post these pictures. So I see what you're, I've never seen this kid. I want to see what he looks like. You should post it somewhere.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I posted a bunch of them to Instagram. But, yeah, I'll send you the link to him because, yeah, there's a, yeah, he's very tall. He's not, he's not tall by your standards, but to me, he's tall. He's as tall as Chuck. I have very, very high standards. for height.
Starting point is 00:32:17 We're very vertically high standards. Right. Awesome. I would like to lodge a complaint. Oh my gosh. I used to have music for that. Let me see what I do. What did I do this time?
Starting point is 00:32:26 No, no, no. Neither one of you guys. I'm just. That's the complaint. It would have been funny if you would have played that over her complaint. Yeah, I know, right over her complaint. Then she'd have two complaints, Brian, too. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:42 Exactly. Anyway. I would like to complain on behalf of y'all's gender. And but like this is one of those like I'm talking to two guys who I know would never do this, but yeah. So as I know Scott has seen, I, we got our pottery wheel and it's all installed down there and everything. And I'm like, oh, this will be fun. I'll just open up a stream and then people can come and hang out with me and watch me throw pottery. And I haven't quite figured out a regular time to do this or whatever.
Starting point is 00:33:13 But it seems like there's a, there's a, there's a. battering of interest. So I figured, sure, whatever. So I open up my Twitch stream and I've got like Claire is following me and Bobbats is following me. You know, it's just the usual suspects. And I've literally only told the tadpool
Starting point is 00:33:31 about this. You know, I haven't like put it out to the world. Right. You've just announced it in the discord and said, hey, I'm doing the stream if you guys want to come watch. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So I get on And I see I have one, one viewer, and I was like, oh, hello, how's it going? You know, and a person throws me, you know, it's Twitch, so they throw me some bits or whatever it's called.
Starting point is 00:33:54 And I was like, oh, thank you so much. And then they said, outfit check. And I was like, oh, ha ha. Because, you know, I mean, I'm in my overalls and covered with mud. Yeah, this is your motory. This is not, you're not going to wear your sequined evening gown to this. Exactly, exactly. And I mean, I look a mess, right? I have no makeup on. My hair's piled up on top of my head. I'm, it's a messy business throwing pots. And so I was like, oh, ha, ha, yep, these are my favorite overalls. And I should also mention, you guys know me, you met me, you know, I'm chubby. And I've got the way that I have my phone, I just have it set up on my phone right now. It's kind of propped up there. It's not the most flattering angle. You can kind of see a little bit. of my my belly or you know this is because that's frankly that's I use a lot of that to get
Starting point is 00:34:50 body weight into throwing the pots which is to my adventure but um anyway so not a flattering angle I don't look good I you know I'm like clearly not there for you know people to look at me and tell me how cute I am I'm like no look at the look at the clay and then this this person says legs check $30. Oh, God. $30? I went, Ew, no, sir.
Starting point is 00:35:24 This is not that kind of stream. This is the same dude, by the way, same guy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, literally, I only had one viewer the whole time. Oh, man. And I'm going, and I would have banhammered him, but my hands are covered in clay.
Starting point is 00:35:39 So I'm like, okay, I didn't think I would need a mod, Because, like, I mean, who the hell am I? Right? Like, I'm not going to get like, you know, hundreds of viewers in there where I need somebody, I need a mod with a ban hammer. Oh, no, I need a mod with a ban hammer because why are men? Yeah. You know what?
Starting point is 00:35:58 It's, okay. So obviously, you know, it's easy to look at this and go, uh, men, which I know you're not doing because you're not lumping everybody into that. But there is more of this. Okay. Take it from somebody who has now done a full month and a week. YouTube. I've switched over. At first as an experiment, now long term. I get so much less weird shit over here. Oh, really? Then on Twitch? I get more engagement. I've had more views. I get more
Starting point is 00:36:27 people in here for TMS in the morning. I get a bunch of other reasons why it's been a good move, but I don't get any of the spam. I don't get asky penises. I don't get all that stuff I used to get on Twitch all the time. And I'm not saying the Twitch isn't like, you know, you're throwing out a challenge to the tadpool to send you asked me right right yeah it's a very good point well i would love to i would love to stream here on youtube but i don't have enough followers you see oh you need a certain number to be able to do it yeah and same thing on oh here come the asky penis isn't that i think the dr calhoun is the first one yeah yeah what the heck look and i don't even know i don't even know what by what do you forget your hypocratical lord how do i know
Starting point is 00:37:10 it was a guy because guys are the only ones who do that women don't do this i'm sorry i have been hit on i have i have been i have been complimented and hit on by a lesbian before it is not that icky like i'm entitled i i put in money and out comes sex yeah but also leg check like who says leg check or whatever who says that you freaking weirdos so i'm not saying this is not i'm not trying to slam Twitch with this. I'm just saying there's a cultural difference going on over there. And a lot of these are like 13 year old boys. I don't know why they don't go.
Starting point is 00:37:47 What's that one? The Twitch based all their like bits off of and everything. Oh, uh, chatter bait. Is that it? Chatterbate. Don't go rushing over there to see this everybody if you're at work or whatever. Don't go there. But basically it's, you know, it's Twitch for naked people doing all sorts of debauchery.
Starting point is 00:38:05 He should just go there. What? Yeah. He goes, we'll get plenty of leg checks. That was exactly my point was, I was like, do I look like only fans to you? Like, I'm a 4-6-year-old chubby lady covered in mud, like, which I realized the covered in mud part is not, you know? But still, I'm like, no. And then after I even said, I was like, ew, no, sir, this is not that kind of stream.
Starting point is 00:38:30 He didn't leave. He still just hung around. And finally, I was like, oh, no, my phone's going to die. you know yeah you're probably like good could it happen soon enough yeah yeah exactly but yeah so that's my complaint but i mean and a lot of people are like oh sounds like you are on the internet i know i get it but first of all this shows a number of things number one it doesn't matter how provocatively were dressed or not in my case it doesn't matter it like it literally does not matter what the circumstances are. Women are going to receive this kind of shit.
Starting point is 00:39:14 Yeah. You know, everywhere we go everywhere. It's, it happens all over the place. Women get like accosted at gas stations. And people don't believe that this happens. Well, the reason they don't believe it. So here's what here's something I learned the hard way. I used to be that way where I'd be like, is this really? How is this happening? I never see this. And then it dawned on me just because you're not doing it doesn't mean it doesn't happen a and b you're not there so how would i know if it happens or doesn't happen and how do i know i believe the women around me who tell me it happens and sure enough i you know what i always this is so this is so weird i've talked about this before when i drive like by a gas station i see a bunch of kids out skateboard and i just
Starting point is 00:40:00 want to go scare them it's a weird instinct i don't know why i have it we've talked to windy about it doesn't make any sense. But I'm always in this mode of like, I just want somebody out there in public to try something and I want to witness it. I don't want them to do it. But if they do it, I want to witness it. Like them cat calling somebody or creeping up on some girl, something so that I can, I need to pop off. I want to like go. It's funny. It's funny. You say that, Scott. So what I said to Chuck later when I told him the story, I said, so the lesson here, I was like, Scott seemed like he was genuinely interested in watching me throw pottery. So what I need to do is I find a time when Scott's available and that Scott can come watch my stream and then some creep comes in there and
Starting point is 00:40:45 then Scott will kick his ass. That's what I need to do. I mean, I would only be able to do it virtually, but I'd love, I have, and I think this is true. I think this is true. Brian, all of us would leap to defend our sisters and friends. Without a doubt. 100%. You guys are all like our sisters. It would piss us off to no end. but it just never seems to happen in front of me. And I just want to like, freaking, I want to jump through your stream and grab whoever that was.
Starting point is 00:41:11 The problem is I jump through your stream and find out it's some 12-year-old turd whose parents aren't paying attention to what he's doing online. And then I'm going to be like, oh, well, that's a systematic problem. And then in my brain will go different places.
Starting point is 00:41:22 But I just want to smack somebody who's being an ass. I just want to do it. I want to get physical. What's that about? Why is that a thing? My son gets so tired of me, like, telling him this stuff. And, like, I send him TikToks all the time. crap like this happening i was like if you ever do this i will absolutely walk you in the back of
Starting point is 00:41:40 the head like i i don't care how tall you are i'll get a step stool and go up there and hit you yeah you know so well that's good i think i appreciate the uh the discussion i think it's a good one to have once in a while so uh you should do it the point is you should do it more um i didn't know when you went live or i would have gone i would love to have seen it yeah yeah well so like like i say I need to find, I'm going to talk to you guys because I need to find a time once good. And, you know, I mean, I was kind of hoping, I think Dunaway was actually live at the time. And I was like, oh, this is cool because I know he felt, we follow each other. I was like, maybe he'll send me a raid or something.
Starting point is 00:42:20 That would be fun. Sure. But, yeah, like, I'll find a time and, and actually, you know, set something up. Yeah, we'll get more tadpullers in there. And then we can, yeah, then we can, we can, we can chase those. of bastards out of there when they show up. Exactly. Yeah. Just bring the bandhammer and all that. And then you guys can watch me, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:38 play with clay. It's fun. Yeah. So, all right. But we have a book. We have a book. Oh, man. Yeah. We got to get through this book. Let's do it. We got a clip for this book. Do you want to set anything up? Twelve seconds. Tell us about the book. Yeah. So this book is, it's a post-apocalyptic. I would call it speculative fiction.
Starting point is 00:42:59 More so. It was classified as sci-fi, but I would actually call it speculative fiction. And it's kind of scarily prescient. I like that kind of fiction. So I bet this is something I'll like. Here we go. I'm hit and play. Stars casting their cool, pale, glinting light.
Starting point is 00:43:19 You couldn't see so many stars when I was little. My stepmother says to me, she stands still and small, looking up at the broad sweep of the Milky Way. She and I have gone out after dark to take the washing down from the clothes line. The day has been hot, as usual, and we both like the cool darkness of early night. There's no moon, but we can see very well. The sky is full of stars. The neighborhood wall is a massive looming presence nearby. I see it as a crouching animal, perhaps about to spring, more threatening than protective. But my stepmother is there, and she isn't afraid. I stay
Starting point is 00:43:55 close to her. I'm seven years old. I look up at the stars in the deep black sky. Why couldn't you see the stars, I ask her. Everyone can see them. City lights, she says. Lights, progress, growth, all those things were too hot and too poor to bother with anymore. There are city lights now, I say to her. They don't hide the stars. She shakes her head. There aren't anywhere near as many as there were. Kids today have no idea what a blaze of light cities used to be, and not that long ago. I'd rather have the stars, I say. The stars are free. She shrugs. I'd rather have the city lights back myself. The sooner, the better. But we can afford the stars. She sounds like Gina Torres. So, the narrator's name is Lynn Figpin. That is definitely not Gina Torres. If you don't know her by name,
Starting point is 00:44:49 if you looked her up on IMDB, you'd go, oh yeah, I know her. She's a great character actress. I was immediately thrown back to my childhood wherein she was the host of the children's game show Where in the World is Carmen J. Diego? Oh, I know her. Yeah, she's awesome. She's in all sorts of cool stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:11 She was in, I don't know, I'm thinking of something else. Anyway, she's great. I like her a lot. Yeah, yeah. Indeed. And that was one of the more comforting and unsettling at the same time parts of, of this book.
Starting point is 00:45:26 The name of the book is Parable of the Sewer by Octavia Butler. And it was written, rather I should say, it was published in, I believe, 1993, 98, sometime around in there. So in the 90s. Yep, 93. And it is oddly prescient. It starts next year. It starts in 2020. 24. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:55 And interesting. Yep. And because due to, you know, the shrinking middle class, climate change, you know, economic collapse, all sorts of other things, we're in a post-apocalyptic hellscape. Most people who are in what we would now call middle class, or rather what they call middle class, we would have called middle class. we would have called living in poverty. But, you know, now if you get to live in a walled neighborhood or something like that, then, you know, you're considered rich. And they live in a walled community. They've been kept safe the whole time.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Her father's a minister. And, you know, then things start going wrong even within their walled community. This sounds great. This sounds like my jam. I'm into it. It does. It does. It would be, and it's, it is very dark.
Starting point is 00:46:56 I'm not going to lie. I, I had a hard, this is a hard read. It is not, it is not an easy, like, pick it up and flip through it in a weekend at the beach book. This is, this book takes some work. Indeed. And it's, it's actually a two book series. The name of the series is Earthseed. And in, this is,
Starting point is 00:47:20 what's really super creepy. In the sequel, which is called Parable of the Talents, there is a presidential candidate who runs on the slogan, Make America Great Again. Oh, lovely. What year was that? What year was it published? Was it a long time ago? 1999, I think. Oh, geez. I mean, technically, Reagan ran on a similar slogan or something. So it's possible it's like a thing of that because yeah common yeah trump didn't trump didn't make that up i don't think but he sure made it uh if whatever it is now it's it's really quite it's quite frightening like he's you know a religious zealot and they you know they they they just plunge us even further into a dystopian nightmare and uh yeah it's it's uh it's oddly and frighteningly prescient
Starting point is 00:48:19 there's also there's a there's an interesting piece in there where her character has what she calls hyper empathy and so she literally feels other people's pain and frankly she can feel their pleasure as well but yeah and so there are some horrifying things to go along with that because it's very difficult to defend yourself when you're going to feel whatever you're going to inflict on somebody else right So claims the, or sorry, the Amazon listing for this says that it is young adult fiction zone. What do you think like cutoff age should be for a book like this? That's what they're saying. They're saying teen young fiction 10 to 12 grade, but I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I wouldn't have a problem with my, you know, my teenager reading this.
Starting point is 00:49:14 So probably it, any, like high school age. I think they would be fine. but I certainly wouldn't give it to younger kids than that because there's some there's some graphic horrific stuff in here. You know, I mean, it's an apocalypse. It's what you're supposed to do in apocalypse, yeah. Right. Nobody ever had an apocalypse where everybody was all soft and white gloves, you know?
Starting point is 00:49:36 Right. It's rough business. Right. Yeah. It's called the apocalypse for a reason. That's right. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:43 Yeah. So it does, like I say, it's a little hard. It does drag along. a little bit at times. There are some conversations. The main character is the narrator, so it's told in the first person, and it sort of reads like her diary.
Starting point is 00:50:01 And there are times when she's having conversations with other characters, and she's developed to this entire other philosophy, religion, whatever you want to call it. And there are points in the book where she's having a, conversation with another character strictly to kind of hit you over the head with her philosophy but you know it's not but but there's there's enough of a compelling story yeah yeah yeah I mean it was to me but that's because I have I have a I have I have I have trauma around that around books that hit you over the head with philosophy oh man sure yeah sure um um um
Starting point is 00:50:48 I noticed she's also, she's written a bunch of Star Trek novels. That's cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, she became a very prolific sci-fi writer. So, so yeah. But like I say, we didn't really have, back in the 90s, we didn't have anything we called speculative fiction. But I would definitely put this under that category because it's, I mean, there's, there's some science in there because she, she explains the aspect of hyper empathy in a scientific way. And she's, you know, aspiring to get human beings up to the stars, that kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:51:21 Like, oh, we've screwed this planet. Let's go to another one. That kind of thing. So there's a sci-fi element to it. But I would definitely much more call it speculative fiction because it's like near future apocalypse stuff. Cool. She wrote Child of Venus. Someone else recommended Child of Venus to me.
Starting point is 00:51:40 I'm going to have to dig deeper into her work because this sounds all like my jam. I like all this stuff you've said. And the darker, the better with my apocalypse. So let's do it. Fantastic. Go check this out. Available where all books and audio books are available. And maybe she'll, at the end of that read,
Starting point is 00:51:56 eight-hour read or whatever, she'll tell you where Carmen San Diego is in the world. Right. Finally, that question will finally be answered for. You'll finally find out. Amy, it's always good talking to you. I hope you have a fantastic week and throw more pottery and more people out of your chat room who suck.
Starting point is 00:52:11 Right. Yeah, for real. Well, I want to mention real quick before you kick me off, we have a couple more spots for the Tadpool Southeast meetup. So get on in there. Look at the, if the last time you looked at the sign up, it looked like it was full. We have changed venues slightly. So we have a couple more slots. So come on and join us.
Starting point is 00:52:36 That new venue looks amazing with the air hockey table, pool table, video game, sit down. video game thing like this is going to be a blast awesome yeah we're going to have a good good time it's going to be fun and as brian just alluded to we have we have brian and his lovely wife tina that's right so uh yeah so come and join us have fun uh tiny url dot com slash s e tadpool nice i'm jealous i'm going to be in moab being all hot and sweaty and you guys are going to be playing video games We're going to be in In Asheville being hot and sweaty. Yeah, I guess she'll be hot and sweaty either way.
Starting point is 00:53:16 We're all going to be hot and sweaty. Maybe a little sweaty or where you are, I guess. But anyway, it sounds like a blast. Go check that out. That's on our Discord. If you're not part of it already, frogpants.com slash Discord. Amy, have a great week.
Starting point is 00:53:26 We'll see you next time. Bye, bye. All right, we're going to take a break. We're running a little late, so we're going to get right to it. Wendy will be here after this. And we'll kick into this week's email, which is going to be fantastic.
Starting point is 00:53:39 So stick around for that. But Brian, first. You've got to play a little music. I can't just make this thing happen without it. No, you can't. We need something to ease into the second half of the show. Let's go to Santa Barbara, California for a band called Versus the World. Look, if you like your 90s, punk, pop punk, your blink, your sum 41, your stuff like that, your lagwagon, good riddins.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Actually, this features members of Lagwagon and Good Written's. They have a brand new album called The Bastard Lives Forever. Bastards Live Forever. The band is called Versus the World. Here is the single, Going Out for Smokes. Oh, Be going to keep yourself together, man How many times in a day you gotta tell yourself to
Starting point is 00:54:54 Come down from that match Maybe I'll piece myself together again And the veins in the face will always show one cracked Don't hold water But it's intact I could die young And the fastest Lift forever
Starting point is 00:55:19 And I'm too old To die on now Could die young And the asshole gets the girl So I'll sit for you to try And I gave up I gave up I gave it
Starting point is 00:55:33 I started to red bullets So I cast all my chips in I gave it I went out to smuggled and I never came home again So maybe I'll piece myself together again And the fiends in the face myself together again And the fiends in the feast will always shell on crass You don't hold water, but it's intact.
Starting point is 00:56:19 Well, if we all live of cancer and we all get divorced, then I'm bad can this really be? A black can this really be? And we all lie of cancer and we all get divorced. Let that just sink in. I'd be born, baby. It's red and bullet, so I cashed all my chintz. I give up, yeah, I went out to smoke, and I never came home again.
Starting point is 00:56:49 Remember, no cigarette hangover means more smoking pleasure. Yes, for America's finest cigarette. Oh, God, Philip Marius! Willie Brown, the smoothest, coolest guy in town. All right, we've returned. Who is, who the heck was that? That is a band called Versus the World. A brand new album is called The Bastards Live Forever.
Starting point is 00:57:26 And the song is Going Out for Smokes. That sounds all right. Especially if you're into smoking, you know? Especially if you're into smoking. That album is good if you're a smoker. Yeah, only if you're a smoker, though. All right? If you don't smoke, forget it.
Starting point is 00:57:40 No, no, forget it, because that song will make you start. And once you start, you can't stop. Wendy. I mean, random. Not a chance. Hey, look who it is. My sister, Wendy. She's here.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Hi, Wendy. What are you doing? How's life? Good, good. Life's good. It is good. Two things happened this week. There were a bit of a miracle.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Wendy's technical hangups were abound. All right, let me tell you what happened. First of all, she kept trying to send me a picture of her son who looked like Bjorn. Borg and it never happened. It just wouldn't work for some reason. We just couldn't get to work. And then it worked. So not only did that work that was great. And then this week's email, which we were sure we had seen, went completely missing, somehow found it again. So everything's coming up, windy, you know? Yeah. I'm not losing it is what I take from this. Yeah, you should. Of course, also a professional therapist helps people all the time with
Starting point is 00:58:32 their problems and comes on Thursdays and helps you with yours. And sometimes ours depends, you know. often, as it should be. As it should be. So this thing that you sent me as a beast of a story, it's about five, I almost said hours, five minutes, 41 seconds long, but worth reading. Now, I'm having, I'm not reading it. I'm having a robot named Sam read it from 11labs.io. We're using an AI today to read this. It'll sound just like an audio book to people at home.
Starting point is 00:59:05 So just be warned, it isn't me or Brian reading this. Wendy, do you want to say anything about it before I start it or just go? Oh, it'll explain itself. All right. It goes places, everybody. Enjoy this. Dear Wendy, I've been waiting to ride in until I was sure I knew enough about the situation. My wife and I have four couple friends that have known each other for over 20 years.
Starting point is 00:59:26 We're the new couple. The other couples have known each other longer than that. We've raised our kids together, attended the same church together, and have faced our toughest times together. We are three a.m. friends. Until COVID, the men used to meet every other week at a sports bar and grill to hang out, but to mostly check in with each other. We are great friends who actually share our problems, emotions, and solutions. On May 10, 2021, one of the wives was diagnosed with stage four colon cancer that had spread to her liver at the age of 49. Get your colonoscopy's people. Two days later, we all brought various flavors of ice cream, shared hugs, and then we're told no more crying. days later, they met with the oncologist to discuss plans. Three days later, they flew to Dallas to watch a Texas Rangers game that they already had planned. They had a great time, took lots of pictures, and began purposely living life. It was a very hard two years, but in April she passed away at home, surrounded by her family, including four grandchildren, the youngest of which
Starting point is 01:00:27 was born in December. That was a Friday. The following Monday, he wanted to meet with his guys at our usual spot. After talking sports briefly and after some tears, he invited us to join him in Dallas for a couple of games. Wednesday of the same week, we had a celebration of life party for her. My wife put together a great slideshow that played on repeat during the party. There must have been 100 people there. We all spent most of the time telling stories about her that we remembered from the pictures. There were many from their trip to Dallas. A little about him. He's the most black and white. Man's man, bootstrap, testosterone, do-it-yourself, man I've ever met. He's loyal, faithful, trustworthy, and a drop-every-to-help-a-friend kind of a guy. One week after the party, he was going
Starting point is 01:01:13 through her phone and iPad and was looking for a video he started to watch, but stopped because he was looking for photos for the slideshow. The video was gone. There's a lot more to that side story. He figured out how to undelete photos and text messages. There were two threads in particular that he wanted to read. The first was with a contact simply named Joy. The other was with her friend since sixth grade. He read through both and found that she'd been communicating with Joy for some time. It was obvious it was a relationship. It was confirmed on her iPad by several explicit photos shared of each other. She had been cheating on him. The text thread with her friend detailed the relationship like two giggly middle school girls. The friend was encouraging of the relationship.
Starting point is 01:01:56 He figured out that the other guy was her ex-boyfriend from high school. He immediately boxed up everything that was hers. He then drove himself to a therapist and asked if anyone had time to see him. I never thought he would be a therapy person. He told me he knew he could handle her being gone, but he'd lost her twice now and didn't know what to do. He met with all of us and we were naturally shocked. My wife, who suffers from depression and deep empathy, was inconsolable. We've been married 26 years, and I've never seen her that upset. All of us felt betrayed. A few weeks later, and he's been actively working on his double loss. He asked the wives if she had told them anything, any clue that might explain why.
Starting point is 01:02:39 They shared that after the diagnosis, she had told them he was difficult to be around because when she would say anything about after she's gone. And so on, he would get angry and accuse her of giving up. She would just shut down and drop it. And that's not like her, so he was feeling like he drove her to the other guy. This last weekend, our men's trip to Dallas came to fruition. We were assuming he would cancel, but he didn't. He's loyal that way. The first day was filled with long, overdue laughter, baseball, and sudden tears as he would remember their trip in 2021. Day two came and we continued our fun until lunch. That's when he shared the final bomb. It had been nagging him for weeks that he might have driven her away. So the day before we got on the plane, he figured out how to find all of her Facebook posts going back to May 10, 2021. It started with the diagnosis post, the ice cream post, the appointment with the doctor, and the trip to Dallas.
Starting point is 01:03:35 The diagnosis post contained a hashtag. It was in reference to one of her text messages to her friend. It was a shout out to the other guy. Day one, she reached out to him. The text messages lined up with the dates. Also, every single post that contained a picture of my friend and her had that hashtag. It was meant to signify that she was with her husband, but she was thinking of the other guy. He then searched for that hashtag on her page, and it went back to 2008 when she joined.
Starting point is 01:04:04 He spent the rest of the day erasing her. During the second game, he was recreating the trip with her, with us. Every picture he took of her, he took with us instead. He has a sleeve tattoo devoted to family. He wants to cover up her section with a black rose. He told me today that the off-again-on-again relationship has been going on for 30 years. They'd been married 32. She would have left him long ago, but he's such a great friend.
Starting point is 01:04:28 provider. He's second-guessing every day with her now. My questions are, can erasing her be good? Can you erase someone? Is it healthy? He's continuing therapy weekly, but we have more influence on him than a therapist might. How do we respond? What can we expect next in the grief cycle? He's nothing but anger and pain now. There's so much more to this story. I swear there's more every day. Sorry, it's so long. Even if you don't read this on the show, thanks for letting me get this out. Friend of double loss. All right. Sam got a little excited there at the end. It was the frantic reading of a little much there, robot. But anyway, wow. That is a hell of a thing. That was just crazy to me. So where do you start? What do you want to do?
Starting point is 01:05:19 This is maybe psychologically interesting that I couldn't find it and then just like really hoped it was fake. and it was a dream, you know what I mean? Like, I am sure this guy has wished that many, many times. Like what kind of nightmare you can't seem to wake up from? Yeah, all right. Well, let's start. I'm going to, you know, how sometimes I like to ask you guys questions first. I want to ask both of you because I have a skewed sense of what people do because I hear everything that I would love to do.
Starting point is 01:05:56 know what normal people here. And so I'm just wondering, is this a familiar story to you at all? Or some version of this? Oh, familiar? Yeah. Yeah, meaning like you know an actual person having gone through something like it. Not really. I don't think I do either. Can't think. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I've known a couple people who've been unfaithful to their significant others.
Starting point is 01:06:25 and um but in in any in all those cases that came out and um and there was they were able to have closure on it whether it was good closure or bad closure what sucks in this situation is finding out after the fact you've got no way to get any further closure on it right you can't talk to her about it and say you know how we why are you doing this to me for so long and um my god that's that is uh rough rough business that's really rough like the only thing i can compare it to um i don't remember their names wendy but remember mom and dad were in a big giant study group they called it yeah but really it was just like all would go hang out and boating together yeah they go lake pals yeah they spend time at lake pal or whatever and all these couples and they were all very close
Starting point is 01:07:16 and one of them um the wife i want to say they both passed but the wife i want to say got like gastric bypass surgery or something and then after that just really slimmed down to nothing and for whatever reason that became the impetus for her going and cheating on her husband at the time and I only knew this as a kid I just remember mom and dad sort of saying stuff about it on the side but it really stuck with me and I remember that whole group was kind of decimated by this by this revelation right and I think they ended up working it out And she came back and there was a lot of, you know, conciliatory moments and stuff. But I don't think the group was ever the same.
Starting point is 01:08:00 Yeah, I know. But my memory is as far as like anybody, I don't know anyone right now in this situation. I'm sure I do and I just don't know it, but I don't know anyone overtly at the moment. I mean, I know like I can't, what I tried to do when I first read this was put myself in this position. Like, how would this be? because Kim and I married now 30 years last year, I guess. Yeah. So we're working on 31.
Starting point is 01:08:27 And that'll be this August. Yeah, August. I'll tell her if we're almost free up there. But anyway, that's a long-ass time to be with anybody. Yeah. And trying to imagine the shock this would be, especially given the trauma of it, of her passing, which just adds like this whole other layer.
Starting point is 01:08:47 Oh, my gosh. I can't even imagine this. Yeah. And knowing that, you know, for 30, of the 32 years that they were married. She was doing this. Yeah, it would just be, what would you even do? It's like, how do you, how, I don't know how that person,
Starting point is 01:09:01 like, in a weird, and part of me is like, man, he went straight to therapy. That seems really smart. Almost like an emergency ER therapy. Yeah, who do you got? I need it this minute. Yeah, which I think is, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Definitely the right thing. Like, basically, who knows what kind of spiral he would have gone into discovering because it was like, it's like one of these, movie thrillers where, you know, the detective is uncovering all of this data piece by piece about this person unfolding the life of this person that, that everyone thought they knew. And it's a completely different person on the other side. Yeah, just wild. And you probably feel a little, not skeevy, but a little like, oh, should I be looking at her text? Should I be looking at her Facebook post?
Starting point is 01:09:48 but I think in a case like this, once you get the initial thing, it's like, all right, well, I've done this far. Let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes. I'm sure my loyalty means that much anymore. No, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's, okay, I just wanted to check because I swear to you, within the week of this email, a good, good friend of mine said, hey, any advice? my brother's wife of 30 years.
Starting point is 01:10:19 He just found out was cheating. I'm like, was I dreaming this? Like I still feel like I'm not. And so that's like a real person in my life. And then, you know, clients are real people too, but, you know,
Starting point is 01:10:31 I've known of many things. And so I sometimes think, my brain's skewed and I'm pretty sure 99% of everyone's doing something secretly that they really shouldn't. And some of that is, we've talked about Jungian psychology before a little bit and kind of the shadow idea, right, that you are hiding something, and often it's unconscious
Starting point is 01:10:53 or can be. Sometimes there's obviously very conscious things you're hiding. And so I do think that's probably not untrue for all of us to have some things we just are not fully forthright about or are even available to us psychologically in any kind of healthy way. So fair enough. But however, I'm reading this email, just thinking, oh, there's so much grief here. There's so much need to process and time. Layers, layers of grief, right? Layers and layers. Because it's like they said, he didn't lose her once.
Starting point is 01:11:33 He lost her twice, basically. Yeah, and then everything, and then he lost the life he thought he knew. It's like taking the whatever pill and you're in the Matrix. and you are like left to figure this out how to actually operate in a very new reality. You're just like me. You never remember which pill is the one that I know. I never do. Blue pill's the good one.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Yeah, Blue pill. So wait, Blue pill makes you be just a person and you forgot about the Matrix, right? Is that the deal? No, I thought blue person or blue pill, blue person is this. No, I thought the blue pill is the one you want to take the red pill keeps you. Oh, no, it is the other way around, isn't it? Red pill takes you out of the Matrix, you find out, you see how deep the rabbit hole goes, basically. Gotcha.
Starting point is 01:12:19 Or it puts you in the Matrix so that you fully understand the Matrix if you take the Red Pill. Right. Okay. And also, let's just point out a classic age-related thing here, which is, you know, this couple, if they've been married 30 years, they are old enough to not have had technology and then suddenly everything they. they've done since has been recorded, right? I'm publicly posting that and putting that hashtag and like that is out, right? That hashtag exactly like this kind of like your arm around one person, but you know, you're holding hands with somebody else on the slide.
Starting point is 01:13:03 Yes, yes. And, and of course, it's a very childish, adolescent behavior, right? Like, I'm going to stay with a rich guy and I'll just make this. work and um but i'm flirting with i mean it's because it's sort of a developmental stuckness with the high school boyfriend so when we moved to sweden i don't know if i've ever shared this story but it is very applicable to this 2008 moment of where facebook kind of became fully available in the zeitgeist right everyone had accounts and everyone was using it and at that point, we, I had five couples I was working with around 2008 and all of them,
Starting point is 01:13:49 all five had one partner having an affair through Facebook, which I don't think I've had a couple since having an affair through Facebook, but there was just something about that moment. And if I think back to it, it was like one was an old college boyfriend, the other was an old college girlfriend. The other one was someone they met on Facebook. Another one was reconnecting with, uh, you know, someone from their early 20s on, right? And so it was just happening anyway. And they also all had a 42 year old in the couple. So somebody was cheating and somebody was 42 and each of these couples. Weird parallels to, uh, and I was 32 at the time. And I was like, what the crap happens at 42? It just freaks me out. And that's, that's when we decided to move to
Starting point is 01:14:38 Sweden. We're like, we got to get out of here. But it was a little bit of like, what is happening to these people? And you have a couple things that do happen. Go ahead. You mentioned not having the situation via Facebook, like the cheating via Facebook, but I'm sure tons of issues where somebody's having an emotional affair via text or some other messaging. Yeah. But this seems so classic their age to be like, oh no, of course, this was you guys. And to do it that way and to keep posting your, you know, and no one is going to be surprised when I talk about how much I hate Facebook, but I feel like it is, is become this, it is an operating communication device to do your weird business too, right? So I'm posting all the time so you can see me on
Starting point is 01:15:28 these whatever vacations, but I'm secretly hashtagging my old boyfriend. It's just, yeah, there's, you never hear about, it's almost 100% of the time that I hear about in a emotional, even just a basic sort of emotional affair. Yeah. It's always via Facebook, always. I know. Because that's the tool you used to see if that, that ex-boyfriend, that high school sweetheart is still around.
Starting point is 01:15:53 Yeah, it's not classmates.com like they thought it would be. Friendster. Yeah. Friendster. Yeah. Anyway, okay, so let's go to what practical advice we can apply here. And I do, I did love the voice because it made me feel even more worried about Notting a sports game.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Yeah, totally. But just a couple things that are already in place that are awesome. First of all, driving himself to get help immediately. Good for him. Also, it sounds like this long-term group of friends that have real conversations. That is such an incredibly beneficial factor in his life. And so my advice to that group of friends is like there is nothing. more important than them doing what they've always done,
Starting point is 01:16:42 which is being consistent, being there, being willing to talk about whatever needs to be talked about. The thing I would advise, because, and maybe this isn't even their problem, but this is very common, which is sometimes you get sick of hearing, someone talk about the same thing, right? Right.
Starting point is 01:16:56 Sometimes you have a hard time not giving solutions and just listening. So just some core basic, you know, recognize it took 30 years to build this nightmare and it's going to take not just a year to get over it right yeah it's going to take some time so that on repeat you should expect and do your best not to be annoyed with and recognize that this process may be slow you know this person's already getting professional help and so your job is not to be the therapist your job is to encourage the growth that will come from therapy and but you're you're always there um so this friend
Starting point is 01:17:39 when she asked me what her advice was you know in this moment you're furious at your sister-in-law who has been a part of your life for 30 years hurting your brother and all you want to do is kick her in the face right like you get it but what happens is time goes on and people will sometimes repair these things. And now you have already made yourself an enemy and maybe lost influence because you joined your brother's anger situation. And then he's forgiven her. And they try again. And now you've got all the betrayal it feels like maybe you feel because you joined the side. And that is so hard. Right. We are built to do this. We are built to rally the side that we're related to usually. and, you know, hate on whoever the person they want us to hate on and involve ourselves
Starting point is 01:18:32 that way. And that can be tempting, I think, for this group to maybe be really harsh towards her. Yeah. Because he may want you to. And you can be supportive without having to then push yourself way far past a line. So when he heals and it's no longer a problem, now you are furious. And everyone deserves their own feelings about that. That's not what I'm getting. at it's more like in your efforts to support it's hard to be neutral and supportive um maybe neutral to slightly to that person's side is is a great place to be and just care how are you what can I do for you you know given the space to talk about it all of those things can be really important do uh do his friend does his friend group need to worry about trust issues with them you know now
Starting point is 01:19:25 that he's thought this this one stable relationship in his life for 30 years or 32 years was completely a sham do they need to worry like how do they can not convince him but just reassure him that hey we are you know we are someone you can trust we know you had this this crap going on that you just discovered but we've always and we will continue to always be truthful to you and will always be you know yeah and that would be like a very proactive form of what is a gen as generally thought of as being stable right like you're you're still meeting with him you're still stable you're still encouraging if you feel like you need to say that or if but really i would i would sort of offer this as a maybe a global piece of advice is to
Starting point is 01:20:13 follow the person's lead if you hear him actively wondering about other people you can ask Do you want us to talk about this with how, you know, because again, when you've been deceived that thoroughly, it may not extend to anyone else. It may extend to everyone else. Like, it's kind of hard to know. So you really need to follow, follow their lead. I mean, they've got children and grandchildren, right? So he's got all these people who just lost their mother and grandmother. and, you know, they didn't say if everyone is aware of the cheating.
Starting point is 01:20:53 Yeah. What do you think on that? Like, do you, let's say they currently not, my inclination would be just, let's not you know, she's destroyed my opinion of her. There's no reason for me to do that same thing, although they're going to wonder why all of a sudden he's got a black rose on his arm covering, you know, where her name used to be. Yeah. They're going to be questions for sure. and she's been eliminated from any every yeah i have a feeling they know yeah or at least the
Starting point is 01:21:25 adult they will know once they see all right why why are you boxing up all over stuff so quickly and why have you taken all of her photographs and extra face out and right right and that is very difficult so let's let's just assume they already know the best thing he can do is keep talking to the therapist and his friends about those things and not keep the burden on those kids because they already have the burden of knowing their mom has been unfaithful to their dad for 30 years and then died and they can't talk to her either. Right. So the double loss, right, is triple loss, right? And is maybe more accurate. And everyone is feeling it in all different ways. Families handle everything the way a family handles everything, right? So you take any
Starting point is 01:22:13 family. I always think of it as sort of like the flavor or the brand, the family brand. Like how do you handle trauma? How do you handle grief? What does the family do? Do they gather? Do they isolate? Do they spread apart? Do they get closer? Do they talk? Do they not talk? And you kind of have whatever is going on there is outside of their realm as friends. But that's happening, whatever that is. And so even being a safe place to Matt help him talk through, you know, how the family is responding. And so your openness and lack of, like, harsh judgment just means that all the things can be processed.
Starting point is 01:22:55 And that's why a therapist works, is the therapist is not, it doesn't have a dual relationship here. They're just going to listen and ask questions and be open and curious and there. And there for the long haul, as opposed to sometimes family and friends are like, are we done? Because grief, at least the way Americans often, it's like it's got a time let. You have to be back at work in four days. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:23:17 Like we don't have this built in very well. And so this kind of painful, jagged wound is really different than just my wife died of cancer. And, you know, we have an annual little party to celebrate her life. Like that is what would have probably happened. There would have been group support and honoring her and no one would have ever known. and that's probably what she intended and thought she knew technology better than she did, obviously, right? You take a Gen Zier and say, hey, try this.
Starting point is 01:23:50 They're like, no, we know all the ways this work. And so that maybe, you know, would never happen that way. But it is so complicated and so tricky. So I would just recommend the friends do the support for one another as they support him too, that you're just making sure everyone's kind of okay and think of it as a marathon this is this is going to take a while
Starting point is 01:24:16 but I don't I don't see any there are no like oh no you got to intervene or say this or that or you know it sounds like a terrible experience for a fairly healthy group of people and that's
Starting point is 01:24:31 a lot more than I can say for lots of things oh yeah like that's my big takeaway from this is he's got this crazy good support system that honestly i don't feel like a lot of people have a lot of people maybe even lost during the pandemic like there's this is just not common to have that level based on what we know about it so that already is a huge deal i think for yeah what a gift yeah that's a huge gift yeah and here's the thing healing means another life
Starting point is 01:25:03 not healing means having the last 30 years torture him for the next 30 years and that is you can't speed up healing any faster than it will be but that can be your goal and your hope as his friends because he can have a whole
Starting point is 01:25:25 another 30 years of life a whole different life and that's really hard to believe and feel in the middle of any of this but that's in the end the outcome that is very much possible yeah it's heartbreaking yeah that's a rough stuff
Starting point is 01:25:41 if the listener who sent this in wants to share this audio with your friend I think that'd be a good thing maybe obviously let them choose to or not but I think it might be helpful I hope it is anyway and also I hope it's helpful to the friend because this is secondary
Starting point is 01:25:58 it's not the same level but it's secondary trauma for a friend to have to deal with their friend dealing with this, especially the close-knit group they got going. Yeah, like his wife's response was appropriate, right? That level is just, you know, how do you, because of course she was lying to her. Yeah, all of them.
Starting point is 01:26:19 And that is really difficult. I mean, I know I've mentioned this before on the show, but just that podcast about funeral homes and how they have an after a training for all funeral homes. directors called after hours and it's basically how do you do the second viewing or funeral after the doors are closed for this second secret family or the um you know there's a child that no one knows about or there's you know and and this is how dna has really messed with a lot of people's long-term plans of no one will ever know um and you know we could maybe take a whole hour and
Starting point is 01:26:56 talk about different, like why the brain, why a human being emotionally would deceive in these ways and what it serves, what it doesn't serve, and kind of, you know, that whole dynamic because this is not the first, will not be the last version of this. But also just the reality of how many burdens people are carrying around that they don't need to. But it's terrifying, right? It's terrifying to fess up, face the truth, pay the consequences. You know, all those things like when we're teaching a little kid not to lie and we take them back to the store or steal and we take them back to the store and make them make it right, you're giving them practice in the freedom of honesty or openness gives you and take away the burden of secrecy and the burden of lying and the burden of and every human being is built to lie. right so every one of us has has some experience with this
Starting point is 01:27:59 or will have and some people will go to the grave with those lies and others find that they can be honest and stop pretending and live more authentically but usually you need some help doing that so maybe as a kid you need your parents
Starting point is 01:28:16 help to help you do that and maybe as an adult you need some safe people to help you do that so I mean that's maybe a whole other thing but it is, you know, trying to understand her is maybe not where he's at at the moment. Maybe never will be. There's maybe no endgame to that because the person that most needs to answer for the crimes of it all is not here anymore.
Starting point is 01:28:44 Exactly. And that is really tricky when I do any work with anyone about, you know, maybe a loved one that's passed that abused them or was harmful in significant ways. like grieving someone who's gone is both easier and way harder because it is it is one-sided and yeah so finding peace and some sort of help that way is he's on the right track to do that it's just going to take some time yeah well uh let us know how it goes and i i hope this group gets to stay tight and together yeah that's awesome that seems important uh wendy always good as usual. Realsteps.org is a great place to go visit and
Starting point is 01:29:26 see what that's all about. So when the next bunch of openings happen, maybe you can sneak in there and be a part of it. That's right. Read all about it. Anything else you want to mention this week? Hot. Summers is here. Let's do this. Let's do this. Summer business. No more weird snow. Although
Starting point is 01:29:43 we still have a ton of snow in the mountains and we're still expecting flooding. So it's kind of going to be a weird. Right. Like it's slow. Oh, this is so cool. my friend's daughter just got an internship at the Salt Lake Tribune and she had her first published name on the byline and it was all about flooding and sandy I was so funny wow that takes me back that's awesome it does it's very cute and you know I learned a few things reading it was like oh so that the cloud cover up there keeps obviously the temperature from being you know the direct son's a problem and so your melt your snow melts a little
Starting point is 01:30:18 slower, which is good. But man, that's not going to last. No, it's not. Roast hot soon. It's going to get real hot. It's already warming up pretty good today. Here's the thing, though. I remember, like yesterday, going to church in 1983,
Starting point is 01:30:30 we're all kids, right? And we just got there. Everybody sat down. Bishop gets up, goes up to the microphone and says, everybody go home and change into your grubbies. We're doing sandbags today. And I never forgot it. I was like, sweet.
Starting point is 01:30:46 I don't have to be a church. I can go do this thing, which is mostly water and sand, and I'm in my grubbies. Oh, it's the best thing ever. I freaking loved it. By the way, is grubbies regional? Because I have not heard that word since 1980. Yeah, we also know what it means, you know, context, but I don't think I would use that phrase. Like, go put on your, yeah, go put on your work clothes or your, not your work clothes, but put on your.
Starting point is 01:31:10 It never left me. I still do grubbies. I don't know why. That's awesome. Yeah, Kim's like we got to. Might be regional. Kim's like we got to fix the sprinkler. Get your grubbies.
Starting point is 01:31:19 That's how it goes. I remember being on State Street with all the sandbags and watching people boat down it and just being like, I mean, I was seven, eight years old going, there's a river on a street. It was crazy. I don't know if you remember, but Matt tried to run across it because he thought he could and he caught up on it and flowed down like a block or something like that. We were all worried about him for a hot minute.
Starting point is 01:31:37 I do not remember that. That was one of my strongest memories of that whole event. We've lost Matt. Yeah, no more Matt. All right. Well, have a good one. And my best, your young Bjornborg son, and we'll see you soon. Bye now.
Starting point is 01:31:52 Her oldest is getting graduated, and he is a beast. I don't know what happened. Last time I saw Abraham, Abe was like a skinny, gangly, look like me in high school. Yeah, yeah. He got the sniff of weights, and now is this big freaking bee. He's a beast now. It's like when you first see those pictures of Nanjani, what's his face for a lot? Yeah, yeah, Eternals.
Starting point is 01:32:17 Yeah, Neil and Johnny from Silicon Valley. It's like, oh, dude, holy gal, where did this come from? He buffed right up. Did he, so I still haven't seen Eternals. Did he, um, was it for that movie he got all buffed up? Yes. Okay. I couldn't remember what the deal was there.
Starting point is 01:32:31 I think that'll have to be a future couch party two-parter. Yeah, I need to see. I started that movie, I almost said famously, but I haven't really told anyone. I started that movie on a night where I was just beat and I conked out and missed the whole thing. So I'm, it is, yeah, I mean, it's not a, it's not a fast mover. The opening parts can be, but the stuff with the, whatchamichols, showing up the first time and fighting in London and that sort of thing. But, yeah. Well, I like, yeah, boy, that whole cheating thing, let me tell you, number one reason, obviously I wouldn't cheat is Tina.
Starting point is 01:33:07 Number two reason I obviously wouldn't cheat is having my family find out. But I'll say the number three reason is having the tad point. we'll find out and like, oh yeah, I could not face the tadpool. Oh, my gosh. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it just seems so foreign to me. I just don't understand it. And I'm not, this is no judgment toward anybody who's struggled with anything.
Starting point is 01:33:30 I just don't, I, I, I, I don't understand how it works, I guess. Like, to me, it's just, I've said on the show before, I've had, listeners have sent naked photos to me before. Mm-hmm. And the first thought isn't, ooh. That was a mist text. I know. Yours I forgave.
Starting point is 01:33:47 But when I get those... But you should have seen how I pressed that send button. When I got one of them, I don't remember which one it was. I remember going, at the time, I don't know what other people's reactions are. Are they to go, ooh, a secret little thing I can do on the side or something? Yeah, no, yeah. I went, Cam, get in here before this disappearance on Snapchat. It's only going to be here for seven seconds.
Starting point is 01:34:08 And I'm literally on the toilet. And she comes bursting in there. What is it? Look, check it out. Somebody sent me in a... Ah, it's gone. it. Well, she had red hair, I think, and I don't know. Anyway. She might have had red hair on her head, but we don't know.
Starting point is 01:34:24 No, that's all I meant. It wasn't anything weird like that. But like those things happened, and my thought is, where's Kim? She'll laugh at this. Not, ooh, secretie, secretie. Like, I just don't understand it. But anyway, whatever. Good luck to that person. And let us know how things go with your friend. Yeah, for sure. Very hopeful for all of you. All right, let's move on and out of here. Real quick, we've got some shows upcoming Coverville today at 1.
Starting point is 01:34:52 What are you covering today? What are you doing? Prince. Prince would have turned 65 next week. And I always love, you know, every five years getting to do a Prince milestone birthday show because people keep covering prints and putting out these amazing covers of print songs. They're some of the easiest shows to put together. And they're some of the best because it's all such great stuff.
Starting point is 01:35:12 So, of course, covers of things like, sign of the times when doves cry delirious purple rain kiss i would die for you when you were mine little red corvette i mean you know all this stuff um coming up today one p m mountain time twitch dot tv slash coverville and of course playing marvel snap during the whole thing um maybe even playing against people what i what i should do yeah because the the marvel snap competition friendly competition has its problems. You're basically playing with the same deck against the same person over and over and over again. And if your opponent has this deck that your deck is just completely useless against, I'm talking to you, Red Fraggle, you know, you're basically just
Starting point is 01:36:00 like watching yourself circle to drain in cubes. They should do it. And I think I've said this a million times somewhere is you you come up with four decks it cycles through those four decks for each game so game one you're playing deck one against their deck one game two you're playing your deck two against their deck two etc so that's like oh wow okay now you're doing a move deck or now you're doing a destroy deck awesome oh this kind of works and blah blah blah blah but you know red freggle brings out her damn galactus is like I don't have and this is the deck I have that doesn't have any cards that I can send over to the other side to block her Galactus.
Starting point is 01:36:39 Yeah. And it's hard, right? Because now you're making a show. It's a different thing. So, I could easily say, all right, let's play, we're going to play one round, you know, winner take all kind of thing. And then we'll stop after that game's over. We'll pick different decks and we'll play different, you know, different decks against each other and that sort of thing.
Starting point is 01:37:00 And that way it's like, it feels like it would be a lot more fun. Right. And keep track and basically keep track of the 10 cubes and how many you've lost it each time. So you can just manually do it. Sure. Sure. I do love that you have this thing to do during songs, though. There's something cool about that.
Starting point is 01:37:16 Because what else am I going to do? It's people watching me sit there. Right. It's a weird live stream problem because it's not like a normal live stream. You're always either saying something or showing something or whatever. Instead, it's like I've got to fill this time with something. And listen, people are saying, oh, my God, this song is great. this song takes me back or whatever.
Starting point is 01:37:35 It's not like I ignore the chat. It's like while I'm playing, it's like, oh, yeah, good. Yeah, this song, you know, was actually not even originally his, and he did this for somebody else and blah, blah, blah. So it's so much fun as a side thing. Works out perfectly. A little two, three-minute games. I can see the end of the songs coming, and I'm going to have to do a back-in-ounce.
Starting point is 01:37:57 It's like, great. We're not going to start up a new game because I got time. Yep. Well done, Marvel and second breakfast. What, do you ignore Claire? Is she in there sometimes? Claire says, you always ignore me, Brian? I don't.
Starting point is 01:38:07 Does she play as well? Is she playing a little snap? I don't know if she play. I don't think she plays Marvel Snap. But I think in chat, she probably thinks I ignore and I don't. Well, she thinks that of all of us while she's in there. She does. And oh, boy, did I surprise her right now by not ignoring her, you always ignore me, Brian?
Starting point is 01:38:23 Yeah. Yeah. What are you? Attention.com over there, Claire? Just kidding. Let's get to this. Oh, also, uh, court. usually is on Thursday nights, but Core is not happening tonight.
Starting point is 01:38:36 Core is happening Friday night, and you might be wondering, well, why did someone have a schedule mix up? Was there a problem? Was someone traveling? No. So many, yeah. None of that. Nobody's wondering that at all. No. Today at 5 p.m. Mountain Time, the time we start core normally on Thursday is right when Diablo 4 becomes playable in my time zone. I didn't make this decision, though. This was mostly Bo because he really wants the day. He's taking time off work and everything else. I think he's going to go for that hardcore thing where his name, they'll etch your name into the statue of Lilith in town
Starting point is 01:39:06 if you do it. Really? If you get it fast enough, you get to the... Yeah, you get there fast enough. You hit 100. You can't die. I can't remember what the whole deal is. Anyway, it's a whole thing, and I think he's going to go for it. He's been recruiting people in our Discord to, like, do it with him. I can't commit, because there's no way.
Starting point is 01:39:22 I just can't commit that kind of time. But anyway, I'm going to be playing that instead. So tonight I'll be streaming. There's already a pre-scheduled stream up there for it. I'll be streaming D4. uh tonight in place of the show starting at 5 p.m he will we'll all be streaming it from different places so just right yeah exactly and i'd even be fine if you want for couch party tomorrow for me to like do a bow thing where i watch you play and talk while you're playing it because i've i'd love to see
Starting point is 01:39:50 i know i've got it coming and i'll be downloading my my battle net as well sure but um you can preload as of yesterday i think i think you can preload yeah i did but it'd be kind of fun When, you know, if you want to play and I'll do the, or not the boat, the John thing and chat with you while you're playing it, you can talk about what you're doing and stuff. I totally agree with that. Yeah, it's at five year-round. Let's do it.
Starting point is 01:40:15 Oh, no, no, I'm talking about couch party tomorrow. Oh, we can totally do that. Yeah. Because you're going to be gone the next. I'm going to miss the next two couch parties. Right, right. We're breaking out golden girls for the next two weeks. So Brian, Brian doing that tomorrow's like, why don't we do that?
Starting point is 01:40:30 That sounds like fun. That'd be fun. That'd be a blast. I certainly don't mind. Claire doesn't want to watch that in all caps. Listen, Claire. Yeah, I'll ignore her. We do what we want to do that's fun.
Starting point is 01:40:40 Okay? Film sack also this weekend. Patriot games. Yeah. Patriot games on. Watched it last night. Yeah? There are parts of it that hold up really well.
Starting point is 01:40:52 There are parts of it that don't. Does I have a, that'll do pig guy in it, isn't he in there? No, no Cromwell in this one. Okay. That's Patriot. Star Wars people, your Han Solo Mese Windu, Darth Vader. That's right. I forgot how much of that
Starting point is 01:41:08 how much Star Wars crossover there is. And it's all against the Irish. Boy, dude, does that movie hate Irish people? Oh my God. Especially Sean Bean. Or Sean, not Bean. Sean Bean, that's all right. Sean Bean. It really is Sean Bean.
Starting point is 01:41:24 I'm sure Claire will have opinions. What else? I'm sure she will. Skim this weekend. Couch party, like we said tomorrow, but I really like that idea. So I think we'll do that. I don't like it. That way, we actually do that out in public. We don't have to hide it behind the Discord.
Starting point is 01:41:37 So we'll do that everywhere. We'll just make a big stream out of it. It'll be fun. Okay, cool. What else? That's it. Patreon.com slash TMS. Boy, howdy.
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Starting point is 01:42:06 Weird. Really? So I don't know why that happened, but be a part of that surge by joining us at patreon.com slash TMS and make Brian and I do cooler stuff than we already do. There's already a ton of cool stuff. But you want more? Great. Get in there. Patreon.com slash TMS. No commercials ever. Pre-show content every day. Art in the mail. Other monthly benefits. Those couch parties we mentioned, all that stuff. Sign up today.
Starting point is 01:42:29 And I've actually gone in to our Patreon. and added a new tier level for five bucks a month. Leg check. Yep, leg check. You guys want leg check? Yep. I'll do a boob check because I've, you know, I got them. I got boobs.
Starting point is 01:42:45 That's it for the show. We're done. Let's get out of here. Hey, I need music. Do you have some? I do have some. Great. This is going to be so short and sweet.
Starting point is 01:42:53 You're going to love it, but get your little birthday sounder ready. Justin O'Brien says, for my birthday, I want to say thanks for the whole frog. Penn's family and tadpool community. Let's party. Nice. Did he even request a song or was it just that? He did. He did. In the request field, he put anything by Me First and the Gimmy Gimmies. Like, he's one of the best people. Just say, hey, your choice, Brian, pick something that you like and let's do it. So, because I don't have a cover of this for today's
Starting point is 01:43:25 show and Me First and the Gimmy Gimmies happen to do one, a cover of nothing compares to you. A song that Prince wrote for a band that he was producing called The Family That went nowhere That version went nowhere Sheenault O'Connor said I'd love to do a copy of it If you'd let me
Starting point is 01:43:45 Let me tear up this picture of the Pope Ah, the stupid Pope He sucks. Fight the real enemy Okay, let me do your song now Anyway, and so she did a cover of it Of course became a massive, massive hit for This is Me First in the Gimmie Gimmies version of the song. Here is nothing compares to you from their 2003 album, Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies. Take a break.
Starting point is 01:44:07 All right. We'll see you guys all on Monday. It's been seven hours and 15 days since you took your love away. I go out every night and sleep all day. Since you took your love away. Since you've been gone, I can do whatever I want I can see whomever I choose I can eat my dinner in a fancy restaurant But nothing, nothing can take away these clues
Starting point is 01:44:52 There's nothing come best, nothing comes to you It's been so lonely without you here Like a bird without song Nothing can't stop this lonely tears from falling Tell me, baby, where did I go on? I could put my arms around every boy I see But they'd only remind me Remind me
Starting point is 01:45:32 I went to the doctor And guess what he told me I said boy you better try to have fun No matter what you do But he's a fool Because nothing compares Nothing compares to you Come on
Starting point is 01:45:53 Woo All the flowers that you're playing Mama in my backyard All died when you went away I know that living with your baby was sometimes hard But I'm willing to give it another cry Nothing comes fast To you
Starting point is 01:46:28 Nothing compares to you. Nothing compares. Nothing compares. If you like what you just heard, there's a very good chance you will like all the shows on the Frog Pants Network. at frogpants.com. Sometimes Andy becomes lazy and uses a foot. Oh.
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