The Morning Stream - TMS 2481: The Nitty & The Gritty

Episode Date: June 20, 2023

Hell Is A Deli With No Cornish Beef. You get NO Penn, NO Teller and NO LIEUTENANT YAR! Flat Hats and Jorts. I'm Jewish so we don't have a hell. A toaster is just a death ray with a smaller power supply. Kush, Moose, and Avocado Boy. A Whale of an Asteroid: 84 Orcas Big! Every Woman Is Tina. Homo-opathy is so gay. It's 10PM. Get a Whopper in ya! We All Didn't Die Yesterday. What is this pizza on a giant wooden plate thing? Dad Hats Aren't Flat and Stupid. The rebels have a base on Willdoran, with Bill Doran. Rubbing your face on trees with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream.TMS 2481 discusses various topics including Diablo 4, junk food choices, Vegas experiences, Final Fantasy 16, a massive asteroid passing Earth, a woman found alive in a coffin, a pork rind recall, a gas station robbery setup, and listener messages. The show also features songs, Bill's projects, science with Bobby, and ends with Patreon benefits and a show title. Find the livestream link at frogpants.tv and more details in the provided URLs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, hell is a deli with no cornish beef. You get no pen, no teller, and no lieutenant yard. Flat hats and jorts. I'm Jewish, so we don't have a hell. A toaster is just a death ray with a smaller power supply. Cush, moose, and avocado boy. A whale of an asteroid. 84 orca's big.

Every woman is Tina. Homoopathy is so gay. It's 10 p.m. Get a whopper in you. We all didn't die yesterday. What is this pizza on a giant wooden plight? plate thing. Dad hats aren't flat and stupid. The rebels have a base

on Wilderan with Bill Duran. Rubbing your face on trees with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Have you ever tried to indulge in all-consuming urge to kill when you don't have opposable thumbs? I can make a cherry pie in a twinkling of an eye.

Do the bees know they make honey for you? This is the morning stream. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for Tuesday, June 20th, 203. It's a lot of 20s. Got to keep them straight, you know. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian Nibbitt.

Hi, Brian Nibbitt. Oh, hi, Scott. How are you? I'm fine. You're back from Vegas, and that's good. Teenth is over. We took yesterday off. We'd like to say that it was entirely for Juneteenth observance. But, you know, Brian got home late and I was like, why don't we just honor the holiday? I slipped under the sheets back in my own bed at 2.30 a.m. That's late, dude. That's late. It's really

late. And it's not just late. It's late when you've been on a plane and you've been having stuff going on in Vegas. That's a lot of stuff. So, you know, we want to be, when people ask us, did you guys observed Juneteenth. We'll say yes, we did. We did. I observed a lot of it from a sleeping position, but it's all good. We're happy to be here, though. So welcome back from Las Vegas. We'll get into the nitty and the gritty of your visit here shortly because I know there are stories. There are, there is nitty and gritty. Both things. Always stories. But before we do anything else, we failed to do this because we weren't here yesterday. So we're going to do it now. Stand back and check your personal belongings.

It's time for the morning form. That's right, the morning form. What is that you say? Well, normally we do it on Mondays, but we open up the floodgates to a chance for you to win prizes. That's all it is, really. It's just winning prizes. And sometimes it's like a poll, but sometimes it's just a question.

And today is one of those days. But before we get into that, I'll tell you who won last week. It was which Diablo class did you start with, or will you, or did you? It's been a couple of weeks. I can't remember if it was will or did. Or did, it looks like. Anyway, we got a whole bunch of answers and the number one answer with kind of evenly split with the top three, 16.7% necromancer, which is where I am. Sorcerer, same percentage.

And Rogue at just below that, 16.4%. That was me. So I started with. Nicely done. Rogue's very popular right now. Druid at 8.2 and Barbarian at 6.5. then there's a bunch of fake stuff like glape I don't play Diablo

never played it I played a wizard in Diablo Jedi someone chose so plenty of other options Zelda someone said they played Zelda I played that well that's that's really what I could have answered even though I did play Diablo 4

I've been playing way more Zelda yeah here's another one I'm Jewish so we don't have a hell that's a good one I like that a lot also is that true do the jews do the jews not observe a sort of a hell type joint hell is a deli that doesn't have good cornish beef or corn beef corned beef cornish beef corned beef see only 16% Jewish I don't get the jokes quite right that's right and before you send brian emails 16% Jewish all right calm down 16% Jewish I'm allowed to say it he can make some of those jokes it's fine

anyway two porter by video games you want to know how Oh, it's Guiltevish. Somebody chose Billy Barty. That's a weird thing to put in here. Oh, Billy Barty. That's a great starting class of the Diablo for. Tird Ferguson, podcaster, your mom. That's a good one.

Anyway, a whole bunch of you replied. Thank you all for that. And we'd like to award a winner. This week's winner goes to, I don't know how to say it. So I'll just say, I'll spell it sort of T-C-I-O-T-D-I-T-I-T. Like, Kiddicta-H-T-T-T-T-T. congratulations you're the one you're the guy whoever that how would you say that bro would you say it phonetically or not probably not tea chowd it

oh yeah it does kind of Italian chow in there you're right the CIO C chow or cho cho cho cho tchod it the like the end of the frapichop fipipit anyway this person will know who they are because of this ridiculous mingling of their name I'll send you an email if I don't hear from you and we will get you hooked up with your prizes so congratulations there this week's morning form is your favorite junk food slash guilty

food choices now the fun part of this is it's not a poll it's just your answers okay just your answers look at that and you can say whatever you want in there oh my gosh yeah

and I'm sure we'll get some real dumb ideas but you know if you're if you're serious about the question you'll answer things like oh, I like a pizza on a Friday night, or I like a whatever, whatever. But some of you, I know, are going to say some really weird stuff, and I look forward to reading it. So go to frogpants.com slash the morning form, and you too could win a frogpants fun pack just by entering. You don't have to do anything special, all right? You put in your email, but we don't use them for anything.

They don't get saved. We just chuck them when we're done. I don't even know how many emails have been sent. We don't sell to China. No, we don't do any of that. we just reply to the one winner and that's it so our winner by the way is in the chat oh last time Lisa Horton and she says it's a it's an acronym and it stands for the curious incident of the dog in the oh but then leaves us hanging we need to know more what I guess

it's the curious incident of the dog in the Gmail it's like she's in she's in the she's in the ceiling telling a joke and then falls through like in uh that Like John Bender. Yeah, John Bender. We never got the end of that joke, never got it. Because I think it was like, wasn't it a improvised deal from what's his face? Oh, right. Yeah, they made it up.

There was no answer. There was no punchline. Yeah. The big conspiracy. The woman says to the duck, oh, shit. He falls through the ceiling right on top of Molly Ringwald. That's the one.

That's the time. Okay. That's all done and done with. Oh, frogtance.com slash the morning form. One more time is where you'll go. Just click it. You can do it on mobile or desktop. Doesn't matter.

And let your thoughts be heard. Brian, let's talk about Las Vegas. You were there for a trippy trip. McTrippy, son. I did. I did. Went on a trippy trip. Yeah, basically the trip centered around a concert at the Pearl Theater

and the Palms, seeing Elvis Costello headlining, Nick Lowe opening, two favorite artists. of mine seeing them together. Second time I've seen the two of them together. They came through Denver and saw them at the Levitt Pavilions last year. But Nick Lowe was kind of one of Elvis Costello's early inspirations. But the two of them shared a record label for a while.

They were, I think, both stiff records or, oh, I can't remember the deal. Chris Brown is going to correct me on all of this stuff. But what a great show. And, of course, they share a song. song the song what's so funny about peace love and understanding was originally done by a band called brinsley schwartz uh headed fronted uh by nick low he wrote the song and then elvis costello covered it very differently from the original and turned it into a huge huge hit nice and they were on stage together and they were looking good did we get a lot of vibrato no that was that was the weird

thing we actually never got them on stage together they did levit pavilion last year but i thought For sure, Nick Lowe would come out. Oh, did they? No, they didn't. They never, yeah, Nick Lowe left the stage and didn't come back for like an encore with Elvis. Weird. But, yes, lots of, lots of vibrato. You get the pretty much the Elvis Castello. Elvis, son.

I know this world is killing. Yeah. Anyway. I was worried that that... You could do any song as Elvis Costello, if you like. I'm just always worried some organ's going to come flopping out of his mouth while he's doing it. Because it's so like, hur, hur, it's just like pulling hard on those chords, man. Well, you know what?

He is a singer, an artist that does not follow the conventional rules of what an American idol slash the voice pop singer should sound like. got his own thing, just like, like Dylan, like, uh, like any number, like the dude from crash test dummies, like all these people who have a unique voice on rock and roll that you don't even need to be told who the, who the performer is really like, oh, that's Elvis Castilla. I've never heard the song before, but that's clearly Elvis Castile. All of the legends, as far as I'm concerned, have that quality. Nobody sounds like American Idol unless they're like flash in the pan pop star that's not going to, no one's going to know about him in 20 years. Exactly. The way it works. Yeah.

Exactly. Anyway. So that was the center piece of the weekend. And the good news was that took place Saturday night, which kept us away from the strip on Saturday night, which was the home of the Vegas Golden Knights COVID-sharing party and parade. It took place pretty much right in front of the hotels where we were staying. So we basically got off the strip. We hung out the Rio. We hung out the palms for a little while and had a blast.

over there, I found a bar that had a, had a shark chopped into three pieces and mounted in resin above the bar. That looked really cool. That sounds awesome. But at first day, we did end up at the Rio for a little bit to see, we went with another guy. So it was me, Chris Brown, and a guy named Cush. His real name is Eddie, but his nickname is Cush. And I guess you come from Nitt in New Jersey, Chris Brown's listing all his friends. Oh, we got Cush and Moose and

Avocado Boy and Johnny Fingers and he's listening all these people from New Jersey. But Cush was with us and Cush's niece Cush's brother lives in Vegas and his daughter was competing in the

World Chess Youth Championships which were going on at the Rio. And so we ended up over there I'm like, oh my God, this is so cool. I want to see like Queens Gambit looking stuff with the giant board where they're looking at the small board and moving the

Bishop to Knight 6 and they move that piece to where it is on the big board so everybody in the crowd can see it. They didn't have it. Basically all these kids were playing against each other on little round tables and oh they're like preliminaries or something like preliminaries

there might have been yeah there might have been a later championship or something but I was really really hoping for like a like a big stage with lights and you know over the top vagusy kind of thing. That would have been cool to see, yeah. I sent you a text with a photo.

I said, at one point I just yelled, oh my God, over there is Bobby Fisher. And when all the kids looked over, I took the king. I saw that, yeah. Here you go, chat, link in this photo. I didn't really. No, I bought that.

Of course you didn't. I bought it for a dollar. They had a bookstore that had a bunch of books, and then 18 different models of those timers that, you'd make your move, and then you hit your timer, and it counts for the other player. Sure.

And I was like, Oh, there's like a big Tupperware bin filled with loose chest pieces. You can choose any ones you want. They were buck each. They were way down the bottom. It's my totem now, my inception totem. So I know if I'm in the dream world. That's right.

And I decided, oh, I could buy this really big pond, but no, I think somebody's going to think it's a butt plug. So I'm going to go ahead and get the king because no one's going to think that that's a butt plug. Well, nobody with any care for the interior of their colon. Yes, that's true. I guess it's Vegas, anything does. I guess so. Well, so hold on a second. The guy you went with whose niece was involved in this.

Yes. Did he do, do we know how she did in the competition? She lost. She didn't do super well. Well, it's cool that she competed. They played five games like it's a five, whatever those. It's not single elimination. Each kid was guaranteed at least five games.

And I know that she at least lost two. I don't know how she did with the rest, but, you know, hopefully, hopefully she won the three that we didn't hear about. How's that? Yeah, that's all right. Plus, I'm guessing it's stiff competition. It's probably, you know, it's a big deal. That's why she went. It is a big deal.

Oh, my gosh. These kids, you look around and we decided while we were over there because we had a room, a free room over there as well, thanks to Cush's brother. And so I brought my swim stuff changed and went down to the Rio pool for a while. while. And let me tell you, real easy to spot the chess players at a Las Vegas hotel pool out in the sunshine. Because they walk by and you hear them sizzle. They actually make a sizzling sound as they go on. Sounds like bacon getting being cooked. Wow. That's awesome. So no sign you didn't happen to see Penn and or teller walking around or doing anything. Did not see either of them walking around the facilities. Nope. That's a shame. No celebrity. No celebrity. No celebrity. No celebrity.

Pretty sightings. We also went to a thing I heard about called Flight Club, and I'm going to talk about Flight Club, because the Flight Club does not have a rule about not talking about Flight Club. This is at, oh, shoot, Venetian. I think it said the Venetian. And it is a darts bar that now will be added to my TMS Vegas Must. do list.

Oh. I can't believe I didn't send you this. I got to send you something. Hold on a second. Send it. Let's see it. All right. I'm sending you a link to a page.

Now, I'm going to do some setup while I send you this link to this page. Sounds good. Because it's going to, uh, uh, it's going to require some setup, but you'll have something that you'll probably want to show on screen. All right. So flight club is a darts bar. You get your own little, little, uh, area to sit down, have your drinks, and then a dartboard and some darts.

and it's it has a bunch of different kind of party style games and it keeps track of your score for you it sees where the dart goes and you don't have to like write down or make marks on a chalkboard or whatever I'm excited people get to see Chris Brown by the way for the first time like an actual photo of the guy

this is great I bet you'd see it. No, I'd seen them. I just don't know if the chat has I don't think the chat has it. Oh yeah maybe the chat hasn't well underneath the players there are action replay plays. And these are the games that we played. We play Demolition Killer in Shanghai. And it's like demolition is, you know, throw darts and knock down the points until you get to zero, et cetera.

The action replays happen. When you score the winning point, it captures video view the whole time. And when you score the winning point, it captures the slow motion replay of you hitting the board. Is it a shot of your actual thing or a recreation like CG it looks like? Dart going into the board is CG recreation. But it is where he hit it though. It is exactly where he hit it. Like it knows within a, within an eighth of an

inch, man. It knows exactly where it hits. That's cool as hell. So you can see us like sitting there at our area like playing darts. This place is a blast. It's, I think it's like 20 bucks a person but this is on

this is now on the TMS Vegas list. I've never even heard of this. This is in the Venetian? It's in the Venetian. Yeah. Oh, man, I got to definitely check this out. There's Brian checking one. It's so fun. Yeah, you can see one of mine. Yeah, you're doing a little hat. You did a little hat tip there at the end. Oh, yeah. That was great. Yeah, that was great. Where did they go? So you were all sitting there watching Chris, but then they disappeared when you threw a dart. They're off to the, oh, yeah, because they went to, they went to go have a smoke. And I continued playing like, well, we paid for 90 minutes. I'm going to play your, both of you players.

So, yeah, I had a couple great shots. So you had the highest three dart score. Chris got the most kills. And Cush, oh, no, Cush isn't on here. You also got the highest three dart score again on the Shanghai. This is cool. It's so damn cool. You can see me like Rish and he got my phone to capture because I didn't know they were going to send me a link with all of our quote-unquote greatest hits.

Yeah, I mean, how would you know? It seems like just darts, right? but yeah this page is great like it gives you like all right here's who who did the best and here's like you know that's great it's so fun it's very cool flight flight club totally doing it i will definitely go to this that seems rad uh what else we got uh the gambling so remember how i had all that luck during tns vagus and i just couldn't lose like playing craps i was winning and doing you know the slots i was winning and everything everything made a made a fair amount of money if i remember right made a fair amount of money i made sure that on this trip

I gave it all back to the casino. That's how they win you. They get you. This is the day that Bobby Frankenberger needed to go after all that craps winning because he kind of got hooked and he thought, oh my God, it's always like this. I'm going to play craps all the time. Yeah, it doesn't always go that well in this last weekend for me was the opposite.

Do you ever get conspiratorial about it and go they knew I was here and now I'm back and they're going to give me to all? Okay, good, good. They're not going to spend the thousands of dollars to get my, my $350 back. They mark you back in April. It's like, oh, Brian, and it's back. All right, everybody, positions, everyone, positions. This is what we trained for.

Okay, you ready for this? Exactly. That's great. Let's see. Last night, no, I'm sorry, Sunday night, so Father's Day night, we were flying back late night flight, right? Basically, our flight left there at 9.30. We got back to Denver at quarter to 1 o'clock.

Yeah, I texted Brian, and it was late when I texted you. And you said, I said, I think, are you just, are you home yet? Or you're home safe and everything? It's like, I just landed. Our fly was late. Like, you sounded, even through text, I could feel the tired. Just exhausted. Yeah.

Well, and part of that was. sitting there in the Harry Reid Airport so we're waiting for our flight and we're watching a couple two different families both with two different parenting techniques over here you've got the dad whose daughter apparently

whose 22 year old daughter apparently walked away and left her phone plugged in next to her sister in the waiting area to charge and they're making the announcement like hey in just a few minutes we're going to begin our boarding process here at Southwest. And they do that whole explanation thing. And this dad is like, she's so dumb. Who leaves her phone behind and Len walks off the airport when she knows we're

going to be boarding soon. And he's all pissed off. And CB and I look at each other and CB goes, she's going to be back just in time. She'll be back in plenty of time. And she sure, she totally was. Of course she was. But not after listening to her, you know, her dad like ripping a new one. That makes me mad. Then we had this other parenting nightmare, this guy with his two kids, and they were, they were, one Burger King to eat on the plane. Poor kids. Vegas, you know, it's like 10 o'clock at night, and dad's putting whoppers into you. Jeez, Louise.

It's a lot. Well, we're going down the jetway, and apparently the kid did not want a whopper. He wanted an impossible burger. Oh. What kid wants an impossible burger? I don't know. You must have a young taste for the fake. Eight-year-old kid, and he's saying, I want an impossible burger.

And Dad had finally, walking down the jetway, had enough. And he erupted into like a steaming volcano of anger. And he was about eight or nine people in front of me walking down the jetway to get on the plane. And the couple right in front of me, just listening to this, just kind of look at each other, eyes wide open, silently look at each other like, are you hearing this? And at that point, I said, hey, I'm having a great father's day. Thanks for asking. My son's 250 miles away. Do you think the kid likes Impossible burgers just because it sounds cool?

Because I would have been that way. It's exactly right. It's like, oh, my God, I'm going to eat something impossible. Yeah, they don't actually. They're not like little vegan kids or anything. No, no. I'm pretty sure that he just wanted because it sounded cool. And they could have just said, oh, yeah, actually, we did get you an impossible burger.

Yeah, just lied to them. Just lied to the kid. exactly yeah tell him later when he's 18 you can say you can admit to it but for now let it let it ride we're on a plane gosh dang it it's an impossible burger it tastes like a real burger doesn't it junior oh it sure does dad thanks for the impossible burger done impossible but the uh the the highlight of the trip well one of the high everything was a highlight it was so much fun um but one of one of the my favorite parts of the trip was um getting to hang out with James and Svet in their part of the world, Boulder City, they came, picked me up and then brought me back to Boulder City, Nevada, which is just this cool little, no gambling little town, 30 minutes away from Vegas, just up the highway, and there's just so much, it's just so much fun stuff to do there.

we we went to a beer garden we went to another place that a little restaurant and uh we did some uh did some truck food truck burgers which were incredible yeah and then i went and did karaoke with one of their friends mckell uh because she didn't want to go up alone and i certainly wasn't about to go up alone and uh uh it was great and maybe maybe james will release the video of the of the whole ordeal. I don't know. What, something on the internet? Yeah, he might have recorded me,

I might have recorded me doing a song. Oh, what is this? This is, uh, let's see. So there was a beer garden called zombie or beer zombies. Beer zombies. I don't know what's called beer zombies. There's not anything zombie, zambious about it. Okay.

So wait, they just, they just consider themselves like, I don't know what, I don't know what that means, beer zombies, just to super into beer? It's just a big, nice, open-air beer garden with food trucks and a gazebo and uh oh such a such a cool place and no there's no gambling in town so it's like you go there and you are just your uh you have no distractions your only vices can be drinking and that pete's what is this pizza on a giant wooden plate thing oh wow all right yeah i'm going

really cool place so it's uh i don't even drink i'm going I definitely eat, you know. Yeah, it's the site of the Boulder Dam and, because they have the Boulder Dam Film Festival every year and stuff. Nice. Boulder City. Oh, look, they sell beer, zombies, dad hats.

You can buy a dad hat. Yeah, yeah. Now, here's a problem I got. Okay, tell me. Tell me a problem. They say, oh, I don't wear, I'm not wearing a hat today. They, their definition of a dad hat

is that as a hat with a curve. curve on it, the kind that you and I would wear here and there. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. Don't, it's not a dad hat. That's just a hat that we wore. That's a baseball hat. Just because it isn't flat and stupid looking doesn't make it a normal. It's a normal ass hat. Right, exactly. Yes. I hate that distinction. It's like, oh, what do you got? Oh, you old man with his old hat? Shut up.

He's got a curve on his print. Must be a dad. Am I right? Like, do you guys watch baseball? Those guys are 22 years old running around. Dad Hat. Give me a break. Anyway, well, that's good. I'm glad you had a good time, dude. Yeah, really good time. And looking forward to a trip back out there in September with Barry and Tanner and Alex and... It'll be a good time. Tristan and whoever. Yep. It'll be a good time. I may be there in October. There's some talk. We'll see. I don't know.

Well, why October? Why not September when we're... September is my... Or no, August. Shit, when is my truck? Oh, yeah, you've got your family. I don't know when that is. Whenever that is. And then the other reason is my niece and Kim are going for a whole thing is a whole thing. I don't know.

Okay. It's all up in the air. Just keep in mind, in November, they're doing the whole Formula One racing thing. And stuff is just going to get worse and worse and worse. How were the hockey fan conglomeration? Was that enough to make you want to die? Was it really bad? Actually, it wasn't bad at all.

Because, I mean, all the hockey fans are there. And the locals aren't going to go to the strip. until the parade. So it actually wasn't bad at all. They just have a lot of construction going on for preparing the trip for Formula One racing. I guess they have it for 10 years. So it's going to be a nightmare there for 10 years. And the MSG sphere is trying to get built before all that starts.

The Fontainebleau hotel is trying to get completed before all that starts. So it's just a there's a mad dash going on in Vegas. It's a cluster. Chris can correct us on this. Manzula, if I say this wrong, but I think they also said they're going to shut down all of the pedestrian overpass stuff. Oh, during the race. Yeah, well, during however long the race season goes. Oh, really?

Because it's a chunk of time, right? It's not just like one race. It's like days or longer, right? I don't know how this. I don't know how F1 works. I have no idea. I don't either. I don't either.

I'm speaking out of it. But it wouldn't surprise me because those overpasses go right over the course. And it feels like people could throw something onto the course. Like a banana peel or a mushroom, what are some other Mario Kart thing? I just can't think of anything else I'm going to avoid more in November than that. Honestly. I'm never going there during that. That sounds insane.

If you live around there, fine. But I don't want to go. Yeah, I know that he told the Mizzula online said that the pedestrian bridges were closed for the parade. And I'm pretty sure that was the same reason. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if they did it for that, they're definitely doing it for the race. Because nobody, if they, somebody throw their half drink, freaking giant tall, looks like a lady's leg drink they bought on the strip. They throw that over there and the middle of the F1 race.

Exactly, exactly, yeah. Somebody could do that. I think even the, they might even. be clothes on the sidewalks because they want to sell tickets to this thing and they can't have some schmuck who's wandering out of his hotel at Casino Royale

for $25 room night going, hey, look, I'm seeing the Formula F1. I wonder if rooms. So rooms in a strip hotel that overlook that race are probably going to go for ridiculous. Thousands right now. Already, already up to like,

somebody was saying 800 850 a night low low end and that's low end so like if even if you had to stay in that horrible flamingo because those rooms are bad

they're horrible in there at the flamingo yeah but I'll bet those are even going for a bunch because they're right there yeah yeah right there on the strip wow

the link yeah the low the link I saw the rooms that Harris rooms weren't too bad the the worst room I ever stayed in in Vegas and I haven't stayed

I haven't stayed in Circus Circus since I was a kid so I can't speak to that but the worst one I ever stayed in by far was Flamingo was really bad and that was the 90s

and it was a dump in the 90s never stayed in there the worst one I've stayed in was the link took Tristan there for his 21st birthday and he's like

well I said where do you want to stay and he's like let's stay somewhere midstrips so we've got access to everything and I had free I think I had comped rooms for the link

and I was like you know what never stayed there and why not let's you know let's let's let's let's be right next to where all that stuff is in that promenade area that link promenade yeah and uh it was you know what totally fine the room was was absolutely nothing to speak of it looked like it really looked like a dorm room with a bathroom basically oh weird yeah but um uh but we were we didn't care because we basically you know right here we've got all this stuff in the link promenade across the street we've got caesar's in the forum and then we've got belagio right there and cosma paul and you basically you know we'd go on the room to shit shower and shave basically was the

sleep shit shower and shave yep those are the important things you got those covered important things not even really the shaving is really not even that important well uh to shift gears but not too hard because you spent some time in boulder city let's talk about boulder colorado for a minute oh good boulder colorado yeah this is uh nick and boulder uh who wrote in says Hey, Scott and Brian. Texting and regarding Thursday's TMS and Scott's weird parking lot encounter. So it's been two Thursdays ago. Yeah.

This is the guy that said lost opportunity or whatever it was. Yeah. Anyway, he says... Squandered. Squandered. That was the word. Yeah. Scandard.

I was forget the damn word he is. As a jort lover, because the whole thing is he's wearing jorts, you know? Yeah. Says, as a jort lover and aware of myself, I'm 26 for additional context, you kids and your flat hats and your jorts. Right. Anyway, I says, I think the guy in the parking lot might have been referencing the fact that Scott wasn't wearing jorts himself. So, therefore, squandered opportunity, just the thought, love the show.

I considered that. Like, maybe his stylings, if you want to call him that, were enough for him to point at me and say, because he looked like around my age. And he's probably looking at you saying, that guy could be wearing jorts. He could be in jorts. Can you believe he could be but isn't? Could be enjoying the lack of freedom that I'm experiencing right now by wearing some... He's somehow chosen not to be in jorts. Unbelievable.

Anyway, thank you for your theory, Nick. I don't think I buy it, but I appreciate it nonetheless. All right. We're going to do a little bit of news this morning before we kick things off. Here you go. There's this. It's time for the news, and it's brought to you by. played the prologue for Final Fantasy

16 on the stream last night? Well, Scott did, that's who. Check out the archive and see what all the fuss is about at frogpants. TV. Yeah, I think that game may have been the final straw that converted me into a Final Fantasy fan and it's only the demo. It's like a two-hour

demo. It's basically the prologged of the game so your progress is saved for the full game. I went into that thinking, I'm not going to suddenly become a fan, but this demo's here. Let's give it a shot. John won't shut up about Final Fantasy. all the time. I'm like, all right, fine. And I've been playing some old stuff on my Amber Nick and just kind of, you know, feeling a little better about that whole space.

But man, that thing was so epic. That two-hour prologue was so good. I immediately pre-ordered the game and we'll play it on Thursday when it comes out. So there's that. Wow, very cool. Didn't expect it. All right. PS5 owners rejoice. You got yourselves a little bit of an exclusive there until they put it on PC. Is there a lot of going into a city and talking to every single person in the city there is a lot of story but there isn't a lot of like go to the city and talk to everyone like remember in the old games you did a lot

of that you go to a place and you just like well I better go talk to everyone I see every single person walking around I mean I hate even doing that in Zelda it's like oh Cacrico City boy I sure hope more rings fall from the sky it's told more through kind of chatter

and this is just the prologue so who know I can't speak to the full game it's a much bigger game than that. Yeah. But it's mostly just like you walk and by and you hear some lady going, I can't believe the br-per-b-b-b-b-b-b. But what really impressed me so far is most of these games are Japanese and then localized to English for us, right?

And so they come off a little weird and a little strange. And, you know, Japanese to English is always a fun time. There's some charm in that. I'm not bashing it. It's just a little off-putting sometimes. And it can seem cheesier than it's meant to be, or, you know, those sorts of things. this is the opposite of that they built this game around the english uh the english dub or the acting and are actually encouraging japanese fans to play the game in english with japanese subtitles

because they designed it with english speakers in mind and as a result it sounds good like these people sound like freaking actors and they're not actual real yeah they're not going like none of that It's just like really good, really good acting. That really sold me too. I may have to make it through the way, though. I will. And look, I love some of that cheese. I put up a video about this.

I love some of the cheese that comes with it. But this is not that. This is like Game of Thronesy kind of level sort of fantasy so far. Anyway, I really like it. So I'm not saying anyone should do anything. I'm just saying it converted me and I'm freaking can't wait for Thursday now. Cool. All right.

Let's move on to story. story or two here we got the giant asteroid um yesterday would have been the day for salt to die but it didn't happen oh if only william tapley tapping tappie tappley william tapley yeah could be around to predict uh when we were going to die he would have predicted this day too that's right well he still could have he's alive william tappley who you talking about oh not william tappley that's third eagle who's the guy sir who's the guy it was uh oh the one we talked about years ago It was an ing

It was he died And his last name was a verb Not Tapley What was that guy's name? Harold Camping That's why I was thinking Something tapping I was combining my

My eagles Because that guy's probably An eagle of the apocalypse as well Oh It's this guy Here I'll play an old Here's an old clip No interview

No no interviews No interviews say All right Yeah No interviews, although I'm tempted to keep talking, but then I say, uh, and then I say no interviews, no interviews. Yeah, that guy was wrong. Yeah, that's what I was thinking about. That's who would have predicted the, uh, you know, the latest thing, but it didn't do anything.

Well, it did. I mean, it did, but it did, but it didn't hurt anybody. A massive asteroid the size of 84 orcas. This is when you know we're not good at measuring things. Uh, 284 orcas. The asteroid in question has been designated 4-8-5-4-3-1994-X-D. It was discovered in 94. According to the Center for Near-Earth Object Studies, or C-Nios.

C-Neos! NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratories where they did this, despite the initials, that has nothing to do with the XD emoticon. Some users use on their phones. Thank you, J-Post. Yeah, thanks. Also, they had to go to the length of saying, some older users of SMS and instant messaging may recognize.

Are they wearing a curved dad hat? I don't know what they're talking about. Right, exactly. The asteroid is also one of three set to pass the Earth on Monday and his arrival only heralds the passing of another larger one last week. A whale of an asteroid,

now see how big is the asteroid coming toward Earth? NASA estimates this one as much as 830 meters in diameter. It was pretty big. Wow. But I didn't. It wasn't close enough to do anything, so. Okay.

So if you felt it, you dealt it. It didn't change the earth's rotation in orcas. No. Were there orcas in the water looking up at this thing going, that thing is about 45 Volkswagen's. Well, when they haven't been busy destroying people's yachts, they've been up, they've been biased to the sky. Ramming yachts.

I read the dumbest article. I read the dumbest article that said the headline was. The rooting. Yeah. Stop, roo. for the orcas. They're not our friends. I'm like, I don't think they care where they root for them or not. Right, exactly.

Root for them if you want. It will make zero difference to the orcas. Yeah, everybody, let's say everybody in the world, if they were rooting for orcas somehow, suddenly stopped. It won't matter. It doesn't matter. It changes the behavior of the orcas. The orcas aren't saying, oh, look at all the likes I got for this one. Yeah,

what a load of load. A dead woman. A dead woman found breathing in a coffin. This actually has an update. to it because she died again. Oh, oh boy. So it's a happy and a sad story. Well, this is what happened.

In the city of Babahoyo. Yeah, Baba Hoyo. I don't know where that is. Let's see. Is it say? Ecuador. Ecuador, okay. Declared Bella Montoya, 876 dead following a suspected stroke.

She was placed in a coffin and taken to a funeral parlor where relatives held a vigil before her planned burial. when after about five hours she opened the coffin or they opened to the coffin to change her clothes ahead of the funeral and the woman gasped for air. They were like, oh shit.

See, this is why you ought to be doing it the way we do it down here. Which is? Or up here, I guess. Which is, they have a whole process. You don't just go straight from, mom died in bed this morning,

put her straight in the coffin. Right, right. Like, oh, we happen to have this coffin just handy, put her in. Yeah, no, you go through a process. You verify death. You do that. that you don't have weird shit like this happen.

She ended up dying, though, later. I am curious about what the, yeah, there is a process, and I don't doubt that they do a lot of stuff to make sure they listen to the heart and all that sort of thing. Well, first of all, but we embalmed them, right? We full on, like, gut their guts out there.

Only if they're getting viewed at a funeral. I think you only need to do the embalming, can't you? Oh, maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I think that I absolutely could be talking out of my, ass like usual um but i thought that the embalming was only if there was going to be a viewing if they're going to if you're going to get uh cremated they don't worry about any of that yeah if i was trying to think if i was to die and just say hey i just want to go straight to the ground right into the

urn put me right okay put me right into the brown or even to the urn yeah like you can they just do that without doing any other work you're just done i think so i think so i think they just take you right from your deathbed, roll you on to a, I think a wheelbarrow, maybe one of those radio flyer wagons. Oh, yeah, that's what I want. They tow you to the... Because I'm in the... I'm big and gangly, so put me in a wagon, that's a great idea.

They take off the clothes, then they put you on the little, the wheelie thing that goes into the giant oven and turn it on. I've seen movies. Yeah, I've seen a few months later. I watched six feet under. Sure, we know what's up. We know what's going on there. Anyway, she's dead now.

But she did live and then she died. And then she lived and then she died. Oh, man, what a bummer. Real bummer. All right. I'll tell you what's not a bummer. Taking a break and having some friends on. They're going to talk about their relatively cool things that they're working on.

That'll be Bill and Bobby coming up soon. But after that, who knows what will happen. Before that, though, we've got to play a song. And I know Brian has dutifully been working on a rad, selection of songs this week. So, Brian, what do we have today? Yeah, let's go to Miami, Florida, to limited fanfare records and a band that is releasing their first bit of new music in the last two years. Since 2021, these guys haven't released anything, but they've got a new single called Machine. It's produced by a torch guitarist Jonathan Nunez. They're going to be on tour. They're

actually already on tour, June 15th through July 2nd, and Palomino Blonde. Uh, who, uh, Igie Pop called them one of Miami's brightest lights. Wow. And that's high praise because he's, uh, he's a real wild one, that Iggy Pop. Uh, and he's a passenger, but I, I guess that's it. Sure. Uh, this is their brand new single. It's called Machine.

Here is Palomino Blonde. Bright light and a big burning machine on my mind. I'd like to step out of this door, but if I do, I might die. On my own I get tied me and rearrange everything I have cut me and rearrange everything I have cut me and rearrange all of the picture I swear again I would dance again I'd dance again if you'd cut me and rearrange

Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey Stand out of the door Slip on a surgical mask

Take a look at the world Because it's sinking and it's burning so fast Start On my own again Cut me and rearrange everything I have cut me And rearrange all of me All of the pictures, I swear again, I would dance again, if you'd cut me and rearrange. Hey

Hey Hey Hey Hey Ice melting in the sky I looked at you and you seem to be

doing nothing at all If I was in your position I would be on admission But I'm all alone Again Cut me and rearrange everything I have

Cut me All of the pictures, I swore again, I would dance again, if you'd cut me and rearrange all my own and friends. cut me and rearrange everything I had cut me and re-arrange all of the pictures. I swear I kept. Again If you cut me And rearrange If you've got it up your asses with the rest of your heads

Hey And welcome back to the show. Hey, Brian, tell me who that was one more time. I'm going to tell you, that was Palomino Blonde, brand new music from Palomino Blonde, a single called Machine. Ooh. I like a good machine. Machine.

Check him out on tour right now. They're out there. Touring for you. No harm in that. No harm in that at all. All right. Bill Duran coming in, coming in hot. I'm going to give him his shot.

He will not miss his shot at being hot. There's still something wrong, isn't there, Bill? Hey, Bill. Your mom would call you William. Maybe, I don't know. Willie, I don't know what she did. Willie, come to dinner. I don't want to assume anything.

But, you know, Jamie, Willie, it makes sense to put the eye on there. Anyway, or the why. Hey, it's Bill Duran. He's coming on the show straight from Punished Props.com to talk about the world of making. Bill, it's always good to have you here. Welcome back. Good to be here. You know, for like a year, I had a job where I didn't know anybody.

I taught at a high school. And I tried on the name Will. Yeah. So now there's like three people out there who, that's what they think my name is. Will Duran? Really, Will Duran. Yeah. It's kind of fun to say, Wilderan.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, actually. Wilderan. It sounds like Al-Daron, but it's a planet in Star Wars. Wilderan. Rebels. I have the base on Wilderan. Yeah.

I know the rebels are there. Go to Wilderan. Please don't blow it up. It's Wilderan. That's amazing. I made something. I realize Brian's never done a Princess Leia before, and I'm kind of glad. I'm kind of glad.

Oh, yeah. It's not even, it really was not even an attempt at a curiosity. Fisher impersonation. It was really just it was the only woman's voice I can do that is it, Ray. Oh, yeah. I think all of them. You should just do that for every single.

Every, every woman's impersonation. Yeah, every woman's impersonation. We should be Tina's thing that you did. All right. Anyway, hey, Bill, you're here. Let's do it. What do you got today? Inspire us. Make us feel creative. What are you doing? What you make? I made a new video. It's been a hot minute. In fact, in the video, I talk about

why. We haven't made new YouTube videos in a little while. I'll get to that in a moment. But the thing I made, I've got this proton pack, this Ghostwester's proton pack, and it's a continual work in progress. So the way that the neutronal wand

mounts to the pack, right, so that you can slide it on and off, the previous method for that was a metal Dixie Cup holder thing, right? Which is actually a common method for doing this with proton packs the thing is

and I demonstrate in the video it binds it's not easy to pull the wand off and when you're trying to bust ghosts you want to look cool right and if you're struggling to get your proton pack wand off you don't look cool and the ghost make funny that'll get you fired

Ray will pull you into the conference room and have a talk with you about this slammer will slam you up and down before you get the thing out totally you want to be able to quick draw that wand so I built a new one Based on a design, there's a website called gbfans.com. They sell Ghostbuster Parts, and they have one that's called a V-mount.

So I built my own. Theirs has this aluminum mount that goes on the pack, and then a bent steel sleeve that goes on the wand. And I don't have the tools I need to make the steel part, so I made mine out of layers of aluminum. That's cool. I did a little bit of measuring and designing on paper. I drew it all out on paper ahead of time.

We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. Drawing is so useful still. I call it pad, pencil-assisted drawing. Oh, I like that a lot. You're a pad expert. That's amazing. And then I drew it in actual cat. I drew it in Fusion 360 to get it just right.

And I use my CNC machine to cut out the parts out of aluminum. So I've got a Shea Poco CNC machine. It's got a trim router in there that uses to cut all the parts. And I had a couple of thicknesses of aluminum to use so that the parts wouldn't be a perfect fit. I wanted there to be a little bit of a gap so that it's not perfectly snug. That was kind of the problem before. So I cut all the parts out of aluminum. The difference being that some of the aluminum parts needed to be layered and then screwed together

instead of having that bent steel part. So I plan all that, plan all the holes to drill out. And then I had to, of course, tap some of those holes for screws. I had to do some counter-sinking. Lots of fun metal work, working with aluminum. I got a question about your, I have a question about your legal pad here that you've got out. Yeah, yeah. Why is, is it split in half from a larger pad?

So I, a funny story. So I 3D printed a thing to hold my legal pads in pencils and stuff, like a nice desktop holder. And I made the hole for the legal pads a little too small. Oh, no. So that legal pad went through a table saw to make it a little slimmer. I love it. I love the, not a very clean cut either. No, it's pretty ragged, but I think I love that.

more i love the idea that you'd had kind of yeah yeah i love stuff like that the little it's the little details that holder anymore i don't i don't know what happened to that i think i threw it away yeah sometimes you just go back to what you know it's all good but and and uh also i did that to like 10 legal pads and uh did you stack them when you did it you did a whole stack of legal pads oh yeah yeah just fed them right through oh that's cool yeah um so on that anyway all of my legal pads will look like that for the next decade you know what that's good that's a good that's a good legal pad size

actually right now I did that with a with a grid pad cut it right down the middle I did I did an exacto knife so it was a cleaner cut but it took me about half an hour just like shoot shoot shoot shoot

probably while I was watching a movie or something because I like a good tall narrow grid pad for like my to do list it's like I have a lot of A lot of room to cross stuff off. Did you, uh, did your hand hurt after that? Because I cut out my, yeah, I cut out my set of Wolverine claws out of Styrene. Put that way.

Just sitting in front of the TV. And, uh, this is before I had a bandsaw. So I cut it all out by hand with an exacto and boy, did my hand hurt after that. Yeah, it's, uh, I love that you're playing, uh, Marvel Snap while waiting for this thing to cut your stuff. Oh, yeah. That's great. That's fantastic. He babysit the machine.

Yeah. Which, by the way, I hit, uh, what's it called? Omega for the first time yesterday. Oh, really? Was that 70, 80? 80. 80. Nice.

I have never, I think the highest I've gotten is diamond. So I need to up my game. I know this is get high evolutionary. Bill, you know, like Insta win, basically is what that is. Yeah, I instill lose to that all the time. I know that this is, um, probably a total. non-sequitur here, but I have to at least say this since I haven't seen you since then.

I watched the entirety of the Microsoft Starfield event, and there's some stuff in that Starfield event. All I could think about was you and making all that shit. That's all you think of. Yeah. You probably saw stuff, right? You probably saw things in there and you're like, oh, I'm making that. Yeah. I priorited the watch mostly because it comes in a case with a really cool opening mechanism. Right? Yeah. Yeah, that's what got me. The watch was barely any of it. It was that case it comes in and I went, oh, okay, maybe now I want it. Stold, $300, okay, take all my money. Here's my $300.

All right, sorry, I didn't mean to derail this. No problem. Back to proton fixing. Proton pack. So, yeah, I cut all these parts out of aluminum and mounted them all to my pack and wand. And it works great. It's a little loose, a little wiggly, but I'm okay with that because it's easier to take off and put on.

And hoping I can drag this whole thing to DragonCon this year. Oh, that's your thing this year. Cool. Yeah. We'll see. It's getting the proton pack to Atlanta is going to be a thing, but we'll figure it out. I was going to ask. So when you have to move, we've talked about this a little bit before, but when you have to move something like that, something big and gnarly and the TSA is definitely going to stop you with, right? Is it better to just mail it to yourself sort of thing? I've done that. I've mailed things. I've mailed things to Dragon Con. But this, I think I will put in my checked luggage. They will probably open and inspect it. But it's probably not the first. proton pack they've seen get mailed to

Atlanta or get cargoed to Atlanta or whatever. They definitely not, it's not going to be a carryout, it's too big to be carry on. It wouldn't allow that. Yeah. So yeah. Check luggage shouldn't be a problem. I've done all sorts of space guns and weird stuff in my check

luggage and worst thing happens is they leave me a little note saying they took a peek. Yeah. And that's fine. You know, take a peek. But I bet they're used to that on that side. It's just getting out of Seattle. You know what I mean? Like, leaving is probably trickier than going because I don't know why.

I just feel like Atlanta and DragonCon, they have an agreement kind of. Oh, sure, sure. I'll sometimes leave a note in my luggage, too, just say, hey, just, so, you know, this is my livelihood and something I care about very much, and I appreciate you taking good care with it. Yeah, that's good. That's good, that's good karma. I like that. So are you, so now we're wearing the proton pack.

Can you go? can you take your arm and just go shing like ray and it's out yeah putting it back on it's still kind of a problem it's because it's hard to see and it's kind of far back maybe if I practice I'll be able to nail it yeah but what I do want to do is add a belt loop a belt hook on the on the wand so that I can just sling it on my belt when I'm walking around oh that's a great idea another pretty common thing to do sure so you're telling me real life isn't like cloud strife where he can just put his giant sword on his back without looking.

Real life is much more difficult than that. In fact, I don't believe there's a single scene in Ghostbusters where they ever show them putting their wands back on their back. Oh, hey. It's true. Yeah, it's a really good point. Broke that, news right open there. I'm never trusting those guys again with any ghosts I've got to deal with.

Well, awesome. And I'm looking at the final part of the video where you're holding this thing. You look legit. You're ready to roll. Thank you. Yeah. Ready to bust some ghosts. So I mentioned before that we, it's been a while since we made a video on YouTube.

And there are a couple of things. And I dive into this in detail in this new video. But the main thing is we've been, Brittany and I have been building a new business, a new 3D printing business. And I've dropped some hints here, here and there. So we kind of took the last couple of months to get the ball rolling on that. But the other thing I, again, I get into in the video is that, boy, I got super burn out making a crap load of prop videos. like a ton. And when we moved into our big shop

and hired employees and everything, boy, that was stressful. That was a real adventure. It's a lot. Yeah. And in fact, it was too much. For a while, we were cracking a video out every single week.

Some of those videos are like 45 minutes long. And when you think about it, that's like a feature film every two weeks. And that's literally just me and Brittany. Filming and Brittany editing. Like, that was too much. for too long. And it left a dent. It left the mark. I now have a pretty substantial anxiety problem. Definitely rooted in that. Now, I'm taking care of it. I talk to a therapist now every

couple of weeks. And I'm here to tell you, you don't have to be a burned out YouTuber to talk to a therapist. I think that it is good for everybody. Sure. For real. Sure. no that's interesting to hear i always wondered if that was a thing like people always say how come you don't hire three people to work do all your frog pants editing all your prep all your all your stuff and my answer is because that stresses me the f out yeah it's a lot because now you got other people you have to worry about and i understand that's how a lot of business works and i totally get it sure but i have delegate if anything though i've done the opposite i've worked too hard to not do that, but then, and that's also got its own version of burnout, you know.

Yeah, yeah. So you got to find a form of balance. Yeah. For me, I don't want to manage people. Don't want to do it. I don't like it either. And when you have employees, you got to do it. And when your employees aren't getting along and it's not a big team, it makes a huge

impact on everything you do. And on top of it, when you're spending 60 plus hours a week making your YouTube videos, It's hard to find time to do those other things that you need to do. Yeah. So, yeah, we slowed way, way down. What's funny is we, in 2019, we moved it to one video a month, and that was still, it was the same amount of work. We just made longer, more complicated videos. Yeah.

So when the pandemic hit, that was the worst. It was at, like, peak anxiety when the pandemic hit. So we just kind of went underground for a while, slowed down on everything, started talking to a therapist. And it's taken a couple of years to really figure out, you know, our place and all this and what we want to do. Oh, and on top of it, too, I'm not complaining or anything, but we also didn't make any money. Oh, yeah, that's a big part of it. Yeah. That both adds to the stress and.

Yeah, in hindsight, too, it feels really bad, knowing how much money we spent. The shop was really expensive. People are really expensive. So, yeah, we've been slowing down, figuring out what works for us. trying to recover our savings yeah that'll that'll happen that's cool though i'm i'm stoked that you've that you're also making a pivot like that yeah it's a great way to refresh things you know make yeah feel fresh the new business uh the new business should be good um it's it's designed to make money for us to i want to buy a house in seattle turns out they're wicked expensive uh

so that's kind of part of the plan we'll uh have this new thing going we're still going to be making prop videos but they're going to be a little more informal kind of like We used to make them, like, you know, six, seven years ago. Cool. So look forward to that. We're not going to stop making prop videos, but we do have a new thing coming. And more importantly, we are taking care of ourselves. That's good.

That's very important. Yeah. Do it, man. Getting that hot tub or whatever it is you have the equivalent of. Well, great. I already feel like you gave us bonus content. But is there a bonus link you'd like to share today? There sure is.

This is a video from our buddy, The Craftsman. He's a puppet on YouTube that makes stuff. And he's making injection molded toys. He has an injection molder, but he got a newer, more fancy one and is able to make injection molded toys right in his basement. And they look straight, and he can make them en masse. And it's so cool. So didn't the reason we started 3D printing so that we didn't need injection molding anymore because it was such a big factorial process. but you're telling me he has shrunk that down to a thing he can just do.

Oh, yeah. You use 3D printing to make the first one. Yes. Use injection molding to make all the rest of all. Yeah, that's cool. This can poop out a little figure, like one figure every 20 seconds or something. It's so fast. Yeah.

A lot faster than my printer can do it. Do you get the awesome little Army Man seam on everything and all that? Oh, yeah, definitely. Man, that's so cool. That is actually really cool. I love it. I thought these were little things that you put air. Air tags, Apple Air Tags, because they've got that open little face.

It totally looks like it, yeah. Until now, this is the sort of thing. Like, getting the mold's made is really hard, but you can see and see, I could see and see a mold out of aluminum in my basement right now. I have the technology and the talent. Yeah. Yeah, that's the, that's the kicker here, is the mold. That's it.

Yep. Then you inject. Yeah, it was never about the injecting. Everyone can inject. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But making that mold. Try me. He had some help.

He had another YouTuber who does C&C make the molds for him, and now he can just crank them out. And those molds will last basically forever. Yeah, I was going to say, they're not really unlike plaster or whatever. They're not made to degrade like that. They'll go on, go on, go on. I love it. That's really cool.

That's really cool. God, they look like just 1970s figures. And that's just a resin. That's just like a little resin mold. Oh, no, is that metal? That's metal. That one's metal, but there's a couple that look like they're a resin. He's done it with a silicone.

chrome molds, which are okay, but not as good as the metal ones. Yeah. Metal will last you forever. Forever. Yeah, exactly. And I love that these toys look like toys I would have been super into when I was a kid. It looked like something you'd get out of a little turn the knob and get a mystery, catch a toy.

Oh, perfect, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you could have some real fun. Don't tempt me with this kind of stuff. I don't have time to learn this. First, you've got to do something with the clay that you took out. I know. I got this big blob of clay over here. Sit right there. Tools are out. Just waiting for me to go over there

and get there. There's probably hair and dust in it. I got to get in there. All right. And that was funny enough, that was a Bill inspiration, even buying the damn clay. That's right. That's right. Well, Bill, as always, a pleasure to talk to you, and great stuff as always. Can't wait to do it again. It's Bill Durand,

everybody, punish props.com. Punish props on YouTube. Bill, have a great week, and we'll see you next time. See you. Bye. Bye. And that video for you, audio, folks, can be found at quicktms.l. That's right. Now we go from Bob to, sorry, we go from Bill.

You were so close. I was really close. We go from Bill to Bob is what I was trying to say. And let's do that now. There's still something wrong. That's the wrong one. Science. Bob is hungry and the soup looks good.

That's right. Get your bills and your Bob's worked out, Johnson. Look who it is. It's Bobby Frankenberger, joining us for a science segment that we like to do on Tuesday. days we talk all about the science and uh we love doing it bobby welcome back to the show how are you i'm doing well how are you i'm fine every time i log in a discord it says you're playing diablo four you're as hooked as we are nicely done well oh yeah the lilith got her claws in me this week for sure she'll do that last week yeah how far in the story are do you know how far you are

what act you're in i just finished act two okay taking your time nothing wrong with that taking my time yeah Well, I just started in earnest a few days ago, really. Right. Level 30 something. Nice. Oh, you got your horse then. That's good. Do I? No, I don't. At 30, you should have your, well, you have to do a quest to get it. So it's quest locked.

So you may have, if you're only in Act 2 and you're level 30, you probably just haven't hit the quest yet. But as soon as you do, you're eligible. Yeah, I just finished Act 2. I'm about to head out to start the quest for act, to start into Act 3. Yeah. The horse is a game changer. It's really good. Anyway, well, I'm glad to hear that.

Bobby comes on the show and talks about science. It's time to talk science. Why don't we do that? Let's hear what you brought. What are we doing? I wanted to talk about, so it's the summertime, and science stuff slows down. You know, universities are, you know, the grad students are not doing as much. And just, it's the summertime is a little bit slower.

So I thought, why not do something I've been wanting to focus on for a little? I've been spending a lot of time thinking about just. critical thinking in general and how I can, you know, do my part to help people be better critical thinkers. And I got to thinking about something that I think is a great topic to talk about in the, that intersects with critical thinking. That is the placebo effect. You guys are familiar with the placebo effect, right? Oh, sure. Yeah, absolutely. A great British band. Is it a band? Placibo. There's been called placebo, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, the placebo.

The placebo effect is how you feel after you listen to it. Exactly. Yeah. You feel like you heard some good music just then, but really you didn't. It wasn't very good. Right, right. They're fine. You were told that this would be good music.

Yeah, I was told. That's the effect. Don't send us emails. Placibos fine. We know they're a fine band. Okay. Yeah. Anyway.

But a lot of people like to invoke the placebo effect. That was air quotes, if you couldn't hear that. The placebo effect as, as, as, being some sort of argument for why why some thing or some treatment or some something that you do is useful even though it doesn't actually do anything, right? Like, well, at least there's the placebo effect.

The placebo effect is doing something, right? You hear that a lot. I'm sure you've heard that before, right? Definitely have heard that before. I've even had a personal experience where I thought a thing was doing a thing that absolutely was not doing a thing. It was years ago, but... Right, right. Alternative medicine practitioners love the placebo effect for this reason because they'll say, you'll argue with them and say, well, homeopathy doesn't do anything. Like, it's just water. And if you push them

far enough into a corner, a lot of times you hear, well, you know, there's always the, it's at least the placebo effect is an actual effect. It's a real thing. So, which is a misuse and misunderstanding of what the placebo effect really is. So I thought for everyone listening, what is really is the placebo effect and why is it misused and what is it really, right? So I thought we could talk about that. Right. I feel like that entire industry, the homo-homopathy, my say, oh, thank you, homeopathy. Homeopathy. All that stuff. Oh, I was closer than I thought. All of that, that sort of thing, they rely on this. It's not just they like it. They freaking need it. If they didn't have the placebo effect, they have no business. They have no trick. And the same

thing could be said for not just medication or treatments of a physical sort. Sometimes placebo effects are like, well, if you go to the oak tree and say these three words and then rub your face with dirt twice on the left cheek and then, you know, like there's some kind of effect that comes out of that. It's the same problem. Same deal. They need that to be a thing people go through elsewise, you have nothing. Right. And you would argue with him and say, well, rubbing your face on the tree doesn't actually do anything, right? So why are you telling people to do this? And they would say, well, they believe that it does something, and that has a placebo effect,

and that has real effects. There's been research that shows that the placebo effect has real effects. So let's pick it apart. Let's talk about what is the placebo effect? Okay. The first thing to understand about the placebo effect is it's not a singular effect. It's almost a misnomer to call it the placebo effect. singular, right? Because it's not. It's a collection of non-specific responses to getting some

sort of a treatment or thinking that you're getting something real when you're not. But the point is that it's a collection of subjective responses that you have to things. It's most often confined, it's most often and was originally really, maybe not originally, it's the placebo effect has been named for a very long time. I want to say even like Plato talked about the, but I could be wrong about that. I'm not going to say for sure, but it's at least hundreds of years people have referred to the placebo effect. But it's often talked about in the context of clinical trials and clinical treatment as being the part of a clinical trial. when you're testing an actual medical treatment, the placebo effect is what's happening to those people who are not getting it.

Yeah. Right. So it's all, it's operationally defined as whatever is happening to the people who are not getting it. So let's like, so to dig more into to that context, because it's, like I said, it's useful to understand why, why scientists actually talk about the placebo effect. So when you do treat patients, you're doing all sorts of stuff with them, right, that have nothing to do with the treatment. Right. Okay. This is a clinical trial.

Clinical trials are different than like, like, say, like a lab trial, because a clinical trial is done in a clinical setting. You're giving people, like actual people, some sort of a treatment that you're trying to test. Right. And seeing if it actually helps, right? And you always give people, is it that situation where you all? always give people the sugar pill to create your... Well, that's the important thing, right? It's, um, is if you don't, then, so let's say you're giving them a pill.

Let's say it's a cancer treatment of some kind and you're testing a drug and you want to see if this is going to improve outcomes in cancer patients. Well, it's a cancer patient. They're going to come into your office and they're going to talk to you about what's going on and you're going to give them some, this, this, you have to be able to say, is it the medication? that's doing something, or is it maybe something else, right? Right. Maybe they're coming in and just being nice to them and treating them warmly or talking to them

about their health. Maybe the fact that because they're in part of this trial, they're paying more attention to their health actually doing other things that are improving, yeah, that are helping. Right, it actually causes them to change their behavior because they're paying attention to things. Those are all the other things that have nothing to do with what you're testing. Right. So the only way to tease that out is to have this placebo group, right? This non-test group that are getting, like you said, it's got the sugar pill, right? Like it's some pill that looks and feels exactly like the medication, but it's not. And they're being told that it is. Like that's a crucial part here is they think they are getting the same thing. There's all sorts of ethical things in how you have to set up the study. You have to tell everyone that they may get. a sugar pill

the sugar pill or like there's a chance that they'll get one or the other you have to there's informed consent you have to inform people that they're right if they're part of this trial

they may not be getting an actual treatment so but you don't tell anybody involved who's getting what so there's the there's the thought in their head

that they might be getting something that is working right but you that's how you do it so what you do is you have both groups that are getting treated exactly the same

except one has medication, the pill, one does not. And then so you look at the group that did not get it and you subtract out all the effects that they had because those are the effects that you can say that those are the things that happened because of all the other things going on that we just listed, right? And so what is the difference between those two groups? That's why we talk about the placebo effect in the context of clinical trials is because that's what you call. All the things that happen to both of the groups we just call you just say that's the placebo effect that's that's them going through the motions and doing all these things that those are the benefits that they're

getting from all of that right right um so importantly it's what what that kind of starts to tease out is that there are all these subjective things that can happen to you just by being treated nicely by other people right or just by paying attention to your health this happens a lot in weight loss treatments. There's tons of studies that show that just by paying attention to your weight, you will often lose weight. Like, even if you do nothing else, if you just decide, I'm going to start paying attention to it.

That's, yeah, I mean, that's what that whole Noom thing is based on is just logging the food you eat. And so you start looking and saying, wow, I probably didn't need to eat that bag of Skittles. And, you know. Yeah, exactly. I like, it's funny that you bring up Noom. We're not talking about weight loss, but I like Noom because they're just honest about it, right they're just like they're they're telling you yeah if you just pay more attention to this

it's going to help you yeah it's not probably do this yourself with a spreadsheet but yeah they're not they're not promising some magic they're actually giving you a practical thing i do like that as well i just i think it's a difficult business model because once you realize that you can go well i can track what i eat and look at it i can just do it myself i don't have to pay really just the the tracking i mean they give you the they give you a bunch of like tips and articles about yeah it's a nice app too like a really reusable app yeah yeah yeah i agree

yeah so so anyway so that's that's the whole idea is that you're paying more attention to things that are going on now importantly so there have been a lot of studies that have been done on the placebo effect a lot of people who are making those arguments like well the placebo effect it's still in effect we can we can give them this sham treatment because they're still getting the placebo effect and they'll point to

these studies that have shown that the placebo effect is a real thing, people get real benefits from the placebo effect and a lot of times they'll look at well and to dig into that we kind of have to talk about how most people think that the placebo effect

is all based on belief right? It's this idea that you have to believe what's happening that you have to believe that you're getting something that works in order for the placebo effect to work. And so people will point to these other studies because there have been studies that have showed

that animals and babies when they're in clinical trials will show a placebo response. And they point to that and say that that means that the placebo effect is actually a real thing. Right? And it's tricky.

Those studies do show responses, but that's because it's, not all about belief. People think that it's just you have to believe what's happening, but you don't have to believe anything for a placebo response to actually happen, but that doesn't mean that it's because some magical thing is happening. That's what scientists will call the clinical trial effects. Again, paying attention to your health, you don't have to believe that you're actually getting anything. Even if you knew that you were getting a fake

pill, but you had to go to the doctor the same as everybody else, every month or something like that, you're paying closer attention to your health, right? You're doing other things that would affect your health in a real way that have nothing to do with the pill itself. There's also statistical effects that have nothing to do with any of that, which, like, one of them is called the regression to the mean, which is if you start to measure something about your health, then there's a really good chance because the, the, the, the the mean is a very specific point in a distribution, right? There's a really good chance that when you started measuring,

that you were not, you measured at a point that was not at the average. Over time, though, you're going to tend to regress to that average. You're going to tend to drift back towards that average, so you're going to see effects, even if you've done nothing, because that's just how it works. That's just a statistical effect of taking me. measurements. There's also what's called the self-limiting nature of diseases. So if you have a cold and you do anything, there's a chance that after about a week, your cold's going to start to

go away. Right? That's how colds work. So anyway, that's what, the point is that the placebo effect is not just any one thing. When it's talked about, it's a collection of things. It has nothing to do with the, you know, that doesn't mean that it's some magical thing that's happening because you're taking a thing, right? Right. There's also, can you think of ethical problems with telling someone, I'm going to keep having them rub their face on this tree because there's a placebo effect. No, it's a massive ethical problem.

It's working for them. Yeah, I'll give you an example. I'll just say it. I don't care. She doesn't listen to the show. My mother-in-law used to take silver supplements. Okay. Okay.

And it took me a long time to get her to back down from that tree, that, that, that tree. It was a back to the tree. That snake oil tree. Yeah, because at one point, she was taking it all the time, was sure of its effects and was positive. It was doing this, whatever, whatever the hell she thought it was doing for. And I sent her a picture of that dude that was all blue from taking too much silver. Oh, right.

Yeah. Yeah, you can have severe kidney effects, too. Yeah. taking and he looked like a he looked like a freaking smurf it was horrible and i sent that to her and i said this is where you're headed if you keep increasing your intake of this stuff yeah yeah and that stopped her um that's well good yeah she didn't want to turn blue metal poisoning is a thing it's a real thing so um you know but what i've found for the most part when it's when people really buy into it there's you don't change it you don't change their mind so to answer your question is

are an ethical dilemma, of course there is, because I believe the people who pervay this stuff know full well, whether it works or not. They may have tried even to convince themselves of whatever lie they're telling so they can deal with it more, so they can have the moral dilemma be a little less, you know, edgy for them. But at the end of the day, they know, 100% they know, and they should feel bad that they do that shit. They should. It's unethical as hell. It is like the height of unethicalness. in my opinion. Right.

Well, to me, remember we talked about the context of placebos being in clinical trials and how a placebo is defined, right? So to me, the reason it's unethical is because guess what other types of treatments have placebo effects in them? Real treatments! You know? Like, like, just what we just talked about. Like, you also get all those effects if you give people real treatments.

Because why not just... attention to their, yeah. Yeah. So why not also give them the real treatment, you know? The FTC agrees, by the way, they argued a long time ago that the placebo effects is not grounds for making medical claims. I actually have a quote from them here. It's Judge Easterbrook in the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeal said, quote, like a sugar pill, it alleviates symptoms even though there is no apparent medical reason. since the placebo effect can be obtained from sugar pills, charging $200 for a device that is represented as a miracle cure, but works no better than a dummy pill is a form of fraud.

100% agree with Judge Westerfield. What was his name? Easterbrook. Easterbrook is on point. He's my new favorite judge. I like that guy. Yeah, so the FTC has put their foot down and said, look, claiming that this works because of the placebo effect is tantamination. out to fraud so you can't do it yeah um so yeah the placebo effect um it's it's just good to know

to arm yourself with knowledge about that so for when people try to to make that argument that the placebo effect is why this works so it's fine you know it's it's not really i mean i've i've had situations where you know somebody would say oh that sounds like a whatever that is you're dealing with sounds like you're missing some vitamin d or i don't know i can't even think what it was, but it wasn't that, but it was something like that. And I said, oh, I'll try, whatever. I'll try it. And the next day, I had a great day. Yeah. And I knew that that great day could just be a good day. And there was no correlation between the two. But I get how the human brain goes, ooh, correlation. It must be because I took that vitamin like somebody told me to do. And then

when it doesn't reproduce itself the next time, then you start, you know, if you're not thinking critically, you start going, well, I'll just take more of it, or I'll just, uh, maybe I took the wrong amount or maybe I need to take this brand of it. Yeah, exactly. You start making excuses for why it didn't work because that connection has already been made in your brain, right? Like, like, and it's, um, when it gets made, it's, it takes longer for that to kind of unlearn, so to speak. So you just make excuses. You already believe this thing. And that's also cognitive dissonance, right? The two competing ideas in your head are that I'm a smart person who makes logical decisions and I fell for this thing, right?

So in order to relieve that dissonance, you have to start coming up with something to explain it away, which is like, oh, well, I didn't do it quite the way, you know, like maybe something's a little off, you know, stuff like that. Right. Yeah. That's fascinating stuff, though. I've always been interested in it as a thing. When it comes up, it's just kind of like, oh, yeah, right. We all think this is a thing. And I'm more, I guess in recent years I've been more interested in how it's just sometimes

mental placebos that have nothing to do with what you're taking. It's just what you're listening to or what you believe or, you know, there's a big raging resurgence of VAC stuff going on right now on the internet that everybody's talking about because very prominent people are arguing about it. And it once again, if you read the. comments, you once again realize, oh, man, you can go through the listing of placebo, placebo, placebo, nope, nope, nope, critical thinker, not a critical thing. Like, you can just see this happen in real time. And it's, it can be, it can be overwhelming and frustrating. So I

don't recommend actually deep diving into it. But, but, uh, but yeah, humans are weird, man. If we, if we automatically knew a thing was bogus, would it make life simpler or to make it weirder. Like, I always think about that. If you knew everything that was either fake, fraud, or over-promoted as being able to do a certain thing, would that make life harder to navigate or easier to navigate? Do you mean just if you knew it, like if it was a superpower? Well, the reason I'm saying this is because we're, this isn't like a decision we made 50 years ago. This is people in the way their brains think over lots of adaptation and evolution. So they're must be a reason why we are susceptible to this. It's because, is it part of our survival instinct?

It's like, well, I don't know if it really helps me or not, but boy, it's not going to hurt anything to try. All of these things, do they all just lend to that? Well, I need to survive. And so I'm going to use as many real and fake things as I can to survive. Well, yes, I think it is the survival part of it is it benefits you more as a, if you're just thinking about you as an animal. It probably benefits you more to be a quick adopter and quick learner than it does to be very suspicious of everything, right? Right. Right. So that's the survival benefit. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. But we don't need to do that anymore because we live in a society. Yeah, that's right. We've learned some things. That's right. So keep, keep learning.

everyone. That's today's lesson. Excellent, Bobby, as always, fun to talk to you about this stuff. Tell us what's coming up on this week and science. All around science is what I meant to say. I'm sure that this week in science podcast is pretty good, too. That actually is hosted by Bill. I don't know if you know that. I think that's actually Kiki.

I was for your last name. Dr. Kiki, basically. Oh, Dr. Kiki does that. That's right. Yeah, we have on TMS. She's, or I mean not TMS. NTP. Yeah, she's great. Nothing wrong with her. No, not Dr.

Nicky. No, no, no. Not the contestant, but we had Dr. Chiqui on as a science. She was our podcast expert. Now he's going to start calling Nicky Ackermann's Dr. Kiki. Kiki Akersman. Kikki Nickerman. And she's going to make a fake sheep

that's all about placebo effect. I can't wait. It's going to be there. Anyway. We spent all this time talking about that other podcast. I'll talk about mine. What do you got? The all-around science, yeah, me and more host that. The episode that came out yesterday, we talked about the color blue and why it's so rare to find the color blue in nature, which it is. If you look around, most things are not, blue is hard to find.

And when you do find the color blue, almost always, almost always, it is not actually blue. Right. Like water, ocean, sky, it's not really blue. with sea it is blue, but there's a lot going on there. And then once in a while I see a flower. Even blue jays, bluebirds, the blue morpho butterfly, they're not actually blue, even though they look blue. What about, I was trying to think,

what fictional character has blue blood? And I couldn't think of anybody. Doesn't Spock? Or is green. His green, yeah. I don't know. It's always green. But is it green-blooded Klingon.

All right. Well, this has been. Great. As always, Bobby. Thank you for hanging out with us. We'll see you next time right here on TMS. Bye. Bye. See if this breaks anything. Nope. We're good. Tom Selling has blue blood. That's what I've heard. Him and the lesser Walberg. They both have blue blood. That's right. Exactly. Yes. My wife loves that show. I don't like it. All right. That's it for today's show. Quick outro text from Joshua in Indiana. I said this is for TMS. I was listening to TMS.

2467 and you guys were talking about how Brian had never had surgery before up until December of 2022 I would brag that I had never broken a bone had to have surgery or ever had stitches that all changed December 18th I had a minivan fall off a jack and I broke four bones in my foot I ended up having to have some surgery on the 30th of December to put four screws and surgical steel plate into my right foot love the show though Joshua I think his warning there or the lesson here is one day Brian will have a catastrophic thing that will cause him to have to I have a bunch of surgeries, I guess. Here's the lesson.

It's dumb to have streaks and to care about them. It's dumb. Bracking about never having broken a bone. It's dumb because it'll happen at some point. Oh, yeah, no. But see, that is kind of the fun part, right? Like, I haven't barf since 05, but I'll barf one day. I know I will.

Yeah. Like, it's coming. There's nothing about. And how will you feel that day besides the barfing? You don't feel like, oh, my streak is over. this this uh completely unnecessary streak that i've been maintaining well now it'd be fun because the next day on tms i get to tell everybody and say guys finally the streak is broken like that's all the fun it is fun content for the show yeah that's my main motivation for 90% of my life so

yeah but anyway uh joshua i am sorry that minivan fell on you for real god no kidding that's the worst part of this is the heck with the streak but yeah and if you hear minivan you imagine if it was a maxi van Oh, my gosh. And if you hear minivan, you think, oh, that's not that big. It's a giant car. It's a car. I don't care if it is it. Yeah, your grandson.

Oh, it's just a little mini van. How could that hurt anybody? I don't care if it's a lecar or some tiny hugo or anything. It's still going to hurt, you know? Mini, mini Cooper. Oh. Oh. Anyway, thank you, Joshua.

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Do you want other cool monthly benefits as well as pre-show content every day? I know you do. If you do, then patreon.com slash TMS is your friend. That is going to do it for today's show. Hey, Brian, let's play music before we leave. It doesn't be counting, by the way, as you listed all the things, all the reasons to become patron. are so damn many. I don't have enough fingers to tell you all the good reasons.

Well, then I'm going to AI generate you next time and then you'll have all the fingers you need. Oh, I'll have enough fingers. Finally, yes. Yep. Anyway. I can count the 34 fingers on my hand, on one hand, why AI is such a great idea. Joshua H wrote in and said since this request is for a Monday

and there should be two Bryans on today. Ha, psych. It was for yesterday. Dear Boot, scoot, and buggy. But the two B is in an S. I get it. It was very clever. today marks the end of my 40th trip around this big ball of burning gas we call the sun and the beginning of my 41st oh good lord birthday let's party

i don't know why that other thing played that was weird why is it doing that you know what that's a bug you're supposed to be able grab stuff and move it without it playing and it yeah oh if you drag it it it it used to not or sometimes still doesn't like if i move this hold on yeah it didn't play if i move it again i'll try it a third time Yeah, I did the third time. It's just a little, it's a little fiddly. A little fiddly. Yeah.

Joshua continues. My request today is a cover of the classic Phil Collins song in the air tonight, performed by State of Mine. Love the show, though. Joshua in Indiana. Okay. Came out last year. Happy to play this for you.

This came out last year as a single that was released by State of Mine. I just realized it's the same Joshua in Indiana that wrote our, our text same guy oh really the uh joshua h from indiana yeah anyway didn't plan that had no idea i i i did not pay attention to his name how funny is that all right well it's a double shot it's a double shot tuesday tofer for joshua h the color 18 give us the phrase the pays and we'll play your phil call and song uh here is state of mind and in the air tonight all right that'll do it for us we'll be back tomorrow with a wednesday edition of the show will you come back for that course you will. Thanks for listening. We'll see you then.

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