The Morning Stream - TMS 2485: Biggest of Shots

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

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Yeah, I knew you would be back. In a world ruled largely by logic, this is the morning's dream. Good morning and welcome to TMS, everybody. It is Tuesday, June 27, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson, and that is Brian Nibbitt. Hi, Brian. Hey, oh, hello Tuesday.

Hello, Scott. Hello. Man, you know how your day sometimes starts at 4? Because you can't go back to sleep. My day started at 4.50. Okay. How's that? Okay.

Yeah, that's close enough. And I usually look at that and go, wow, I'm sure glad I can sleep until 645, 7 o'clock or whatever, you know. I usually take heart in that. Not today. This infected eye thing from the baby touch of my eyes got a little worse. I was up at 4, like just caring for it. And then it can go back to sleep. Does itch?

Burns, itches, hurts. A little blurry. you know, it's all, it's normal stuff for it. But if it gets any worse today, I gotta go talk to my doctor and I'll get me some drops. But I, you know, normally this sort of thing, you just hot compress it until it goes away and then you just deal with it. But anyway, that's not even the main problem. That made it so I couldn't go back to sleep. So I just sort of stayed up and got some emails done, did some other stuff that I'm behind on.

And then I knew I had to be up kind of early anyway because Kim was going to go to a rental place and pick up. up a rental truck. She's going to take an old couch and some stuff from Taylor's. Taylor's looking, they made an offer on a house, so they want to move and they want to get rid of some things before they start showing their place. And so the idea was, hey, we'll jointly rent this truck. We don't have a pickup truck around here. So let's get one for a day. And they were just going to take care of all that stuff while I'm down here working. I'll help him put the couch on or whatever. But anyway, that was the plan. But the goal, the deal was I had to drop Kim off at the rental before the...

the show today so that she could get the rental and go and I could bring the car back home. So we did that. I got there and I says to her, I says, I say, go into the building and once you've got confirmation or keys in your hand or something, come give me a thumbs up by the window that you're good and I'll know that I can take off because they don't want to leave in case there's a problem. Right. She comes to the window, big thumbs up. I'm like, sweet. The two thumbs up in fact. Oh, good. Good. All right. And so I took off and I go home. Now my car or sorry, her car, and my phone are not tethered currently. So I don't have voiceover

the speaker system. So if somebody tries to call me, it's just going to mute it and say, sorry this person's driving. It's going to do that message. I'm not going to have any idea because I don't answer my phone in the car. And so I'm driving home.

I get all the way home. Turn off the car and then suddenly my phone freaks out with like 20 notifications. And I pick up the phone and I'm like, oh my gosh, those are all Kim calls, like one after another. Oh, no. I call her back. Honey, what's going on? She goes, I'm so freaking pissed.

And I said, what happened? She goes, I just had a total Seinfeld moment. They don't know how to hold the reservation. Oh, no. So the reason she thumbed up me is because she said, I'm here for the truck I reserved. And she says, oh, yes, no problem. I'll be right back with keys. And then she thumbed up me thinking that was enough.

Lady come back and said, oh, the truck isn't here. You know, we do have four. runner. We're like, that's not the point. You can't put a couch in the forerunner. It's like, it's not going to work, right? So she had these other ideas. And Kim's like, she says, I was, I almost said you almost, you don't know how to hold the reservation. Yeah. That's the point of the reservation. So this whole thing's going down. And I don't know until I get home. So I'm like, crap. I guess. So I'm coming back to get you then. She's, yeah, I don't know what else to do. I said, all right, I'm coming. So I get in the car. I get

about halfway there. I'm looking at my phone this time. And I see it. And I see. going bling, bling, bling, and so I grab it this time, hit speaker, hello, hey, I just thought of something, maybe what I'll do is just get the forerunner, and then we'll do the couch a different time, and we'll just use this for all the other little stuff that has to be done. I'm like, okay. If you fold the seats down, won't the forerunner work? I don't know if it'll be high enough for this couch.

Fair enough. Anyway, we may still try. Yeah, who knows. Okay. But she says, yeah, I think I'm going to get the foreruner. So I'm halfway over there again. I said, you know what I'm going to do, Kim? I'm going to sit in this parking lot that I'm in.

And it's nowhere near her yet. I'm halfway there. I said, I'm going to sit in this church parking lot until you text me or call me and say, I got the keys. I'm good. Just so we're safe here. I don't want to come all the way out there. You know, I don't want to do this again. So sure enough, she got it.

Everything's fine now. But it was freaking annoying to deal with. If you have a reserved thing, you should have the thing you reserved. You know? Exactly. I mean, that is the, you know, that is the, that is the whole point, again, this is going to sound so much like Seinfeld, but that's the whole point of a reservation. It is to reserve something. It is to prevent other people from getting it. It is to say, that thing is mine for that day, for that time. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe, just maybe we were, we were getting karma payback for something that happened last night. So check this part out. Okay. So last night, Kim and I decide before dinner. We're like, let's go get tired by kayaking around the lake. Oh, wow, kayaking.

Look at you. And I went, you know what? That sounds like fun. Let's do it. And they have a little two men that we can use it. Let's go get tired. Let's go get tired. So we were going to get either separate kayaks or the dual one.

The separates were taken. So we took the dual one. So her and back me in front. She hates being in front. So I'm always in the front. Sure. I don't know why. She feels like you can steer it better back there.

It's another driving thing. She'd rather be driving. Anyway, so we go over there. We get the kayak. Everything's fine. And this lake that we live by is, it's an island full of like $3 million houses and then surrounded by even more expensive houses, but the lake is available to anyone who lives around here.

So we go over there and we get on the lake and it's great. Beautiful that night, last night, it was like about 7.30 and the sun was setting, but also the clouds were cover it so we weren't getting hot, perfect temperatures, soft breeze, ducks are out, geese are being dicks. It was great, perfect. And so we're scooching around. and we're talking about how pretty this is and look at that weird crane and these ducks came up to the boat and they're looking for food and I didn't have any and all this stuff very very serene very nice exactly exactly now one of the things that they rent there not rent but they let you use if you're on the HOA or you're in the neighborhood is they let you use a small motorized tour boat it's not huge but it'll hold maybe six seven people or something okay not a pontoon like what no more like oh how do I describe this it's like a I don't know how to describe it has has clear walls to it so that kids

can't fall out but they can see through it I think that probably gets hot in the summer but there's just like a little wheel in the back and you can and you can write it yourself if you can you have to go there and do like a one-time training or something yeah so it's not a huge deal but you have to reserve this thing it's not one you can just go grab sure so speak in reservation so we see this guy paddling around on that thing we're like Like, oh, cool, that'd be fun to do one time. Maybe we'll get the family out here. And she says, yeah, that'd be great.

Well, as we corner around this thing, we see the most. And I'm only saying this because it's just what she looked like. She looked like a walking Bravo reality show contestant. And she was, and we're very quietly paddling by. She's on the edge of this dock over there by these really expensive houses. She's clearly one of these residents. And she's got a purse hanging off her that looks like it's worth more than my house.

Yeah. And she's losing it because the guy in the boat is now also there. And he's slowly passing the dock and talking to her. So as we get closer, we're really curious about what's going on. Yeah. We get closer. We hear her going, I got up at the crack of dawn to reserve this for my daughter's birthday bash, which is in 20 minutes.

And now you've got it. I don't have it. I don't know why I don't have it. And he goes, oh, yeah, I totally understand. As he's scooching past goes, yeah, boy, I agree. I agree. He just kept going, and she's gone. So I don't know what happened or who's to blame, but this is, I've spent $1,000

on this party. It's in 10 minutes or whatever it was. And the guy was like, oh, yeah, I totally agree. That's a bummer. That's a real shame. And he just keeps going. Yeah. And he never, never really.

He was never going to go, oh, well, let me give you the boat. First of all, they're on the opposite side of the lake. There's no reason for him to apologize. It's the person who runs the boat. Should have had the thing on there saying, nope, it's not going to be available during this time to one of them. Yeah, whoever's in charge screwed up. Yeah.

And they can deal with that or whatever. But my thought was, well, first of all, she was, and all these girls for this party are standing there, just look at crestfallen. They just look so sad. The party is ruined. They're not going to get to go out on the tour boat on the lake. These really dolled up TikTok-looking rich girls. Yeah.

And her mom was just really going to bat for them. And the guy says, yeah, no, I don't know. I don't know either I agree with you but he's not going to stop it's on the opposite side of the lake he's not going to go back around there and do anything it's you know

what are you going to do so I was watching this thinking this is really funny they screwed up reservations ha ha ha and then this morning happened so I don't know if that's karma exactly it's car because you laughed you laughed at real housewives

of Utah Island oh man it was so stupid but anyway it was very nice otherwise nice little kayak Yeah, that's nice. Two days to do that. We found that we weren't using the kayaks enough,

so we got rid of them because they took up so much space in the garage. But, man, that kayaking is a hell of a workout, like more than you would think it would be. Yeah, my arms hurt and my core hurts, you know? Yeah, yeah. Which I think is good, so we're going to do it more. They just opened them, like they open it early summer. Or when kids get out of school, they open it because kids run the thing. It's all teenagers working there.

Oh, sure. Which is probably why the guy had the boat problem. probably exactly i'm sure it's those teenagers that uh handle the rent or the uh uh the reservation system i kept thinking to myself like you're you're preaching to the wrong choir here this guy doesn't care if you were up at the crack at dawn which i doubt first of all because they don't even open till 10 um a m so that but also i doubt she spent a thousand dollars on anything because it doesn't cost anything to do this yeah well no thousand dollars on the birthday party yeah but i it was best i could tell it was like i've got this picnic ready and she had all this stuff there

And this guy was just like, well, all right. You know, I agree with you. I'm pissed too. That really sucks. All right. See, everybody. Bye. It was really great.

Anyway, so that was that. Okay, today. Yesterday I teased it. Today I'm going to do it. Oh, yes. The question. Oh, my God. The question.

I feel like I need to hold on to something just in case because this might, yeah. Yeah, there's a comedian that talks about this. If you even bring it, broach it, you feel like you have to brace yourself. But I don't. This isn't, I promise this isn't anything crazy. But I want to ask our listening community, specifically, we have trans folks in our community that I would love to hear their takes on this. Now, what I'm not looking for is everyone else's. I want to hear their takes, right?

Right. I don't want to have, you're as bad as me trying to answer it. Talley, Talley can respond. Sure. If Abby West is in the chat, I don't think she is because she's very, shulky. I think she goes by Shulky. Shulky. At least she doesn't be real.

Abby just sent me the coolest thing. Oh, I left it upstairs. She sent me, you know the Kirby and Pants sticker I did? Yeah, yeah. And this good thing Carrie's here, because she knows that. I did it based on her kids, her kids' weird art. Anyway, she made a crochet version of that and sent it to me. Oh, really?

Oh, that's so cool. Isn't that awesome? I didn't know she crocheted. I had no idea until she told me. She's so great. She was getting to see her in Vegas was awesome. I was not expecting that she was going to be there. No, that was a nice surprise.

But anyway, so people like that. that lots of you out there okay yeah see in Vegas we know who you are I have this question for you because somebody asked it to me and they did it in a kind of antagonizing way I think they were trying to light me up but I'm not asking it in that way but I didn't have an answer for them is the problem the problem is you're going to relay this question that was asked to you to be antagonistic a little bit I mean they were clearly trying to throw it I would make more sense I guess what you uh they were trying to throw us they were trying to throw me a curve and I'll admit I didn't have a good answer for it so that's why I'm looking for this answer so here's your question

the answer is bud light go ahead uh he said to me and I'm not going to use his name because I'm not here for that he said to me all right if I understand it because he knows how I feel everybody should be able to live their life any way they want that's my that's my whole life is a southern accent on him or is this just for just for effect he doesn't really sound like that all right good sorry sorry to Kim's family and everybody else southern you're all right okay uh but uh anyway so he says uh so he knowing that i feel this way i feel very strong that everybody on this planet if i have the right to live the life i want to they all should do everybody should do whatever they want of course absolutely any any person with a soul of should feel that way sure sure and if you don't believe in souls anybody with two eyes a mouth

and a body you just do what you're going to do i have two souls i have the one of my body and i have the one of my garage. Oh, that's right. That's right. See? Lifting every day. So he knows this about me and says this question. He says, well, let me ask you this. He says. He says. I love that he says. I don't know why. I love it. He goes, if Shaquille O'Neal at the height of his career came out saying, I'm a woman and I'm going to transition. Would he, would that be his right? And I said, well, of course, it's his right. He says, all right, well, now let me ask it this.

He said, what if he wanted to keep playing, or what if, what if, oh, yeah, what if he wanted to keep playing basketball? Would they, would he, would he go to the WMBA and then would he just dominate everything? But everyone would say that was fair? Or would he stay in the NBA and everybody just have to play with this Shaquille O'Neal woman now? He says. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I said, well, let me get some clarity here.

You're, I think what he was getting at was like the fairness and sports argument everyone's always having about this. Sure. Sure. Yes. And he's saying if this was the way it went and then he wanted to play, let's say he wanted to play in the WMBA, the women's league. Mm-hmm.

Would that be fair? Mm-hmm. And I don't have a good answer for that. I don't actually think it is fair, physically fair. I mean Is it It's Because he's a huge

He's a huge person He's got There's seven foot something I don't know any Any of the women in the WMBA No one has that height advantage Nobody's got How do you counter somebody like Shaquille O'Neal

In that environment I don't know how you do it Like forget about all the It's impossible to do this But remove the culture of all this out of it And all of this stuff Of course Is it would it be fair

Of somebody of his prowess if and i'm going to use the the the pronoun she so you know she keel shekeel o'neal uh who's will to differentiate from shekel o'neal we'll say shekeel o'neal but no let's uh if if she's the only one in the league um who's playing and who's who's transitioned from being you know a very uh dominant force in the regular NBA and moved over to the w NBA it probably wouldn't be fair. However, I mean, it's obviously, no one is, no one is transitioning just so they can have a better shot in a different league. Right. It says, no one says, you know what, I'm going to go through all of the, the stairs, the questions, the judgment for people who don't know me, just so I can

have a better shot in the WNB versus the regular NBA. Yeah, which is actually a point I made to this dude that I did know the answer to, which is nobody does this for clout. or for, it's a massive personal decision that has nothing to do with any of that. But I still don't know if it'd be fair. Like, just take away all the emotions. Is it fair, right? But she would open the door, or they would open the door. Shaquille would open the door for a lot more transgendered players to say, okay, I feel more comfortable doing this now.

Because now I see that there is, you know, that she's opened the door. for this and that she did that the shekeel has has kind of um uh made this first step and then you'd start to get more players and and kind of would you'd get a little bit more parity you'd kind of get a little bit more um things would kind of even out not even out but if shekeel isn't the only one who does this and other people who've transition can see that Shaquille has done this, they'll do it as well. They'll say, oh, I feel comfortable now that I can be myself to play for the WNBA as who I really am.

Right. You'd start to get, you know, some people on each team, but you never have more than a few, right? You'd have like maybe a handful at the most of, you know, and you've got teams of, I don't know how many, how many WNBA teams are there? I have no idea. It's a lot. I don't know either. But it would be like, I don't, I don't, I don't think.

this is where I just struggle. I don't think it's fair that somebody as big as Shaquille O'Neal with the advantages, he has even over men who try to take him on in the NBA. It just seems insane to me. Someone in the chat said he'd also take a huge pay cut, which is also a bummer about the WMBA. This is a really sad part.

So Talia wants to call in. I wanted to first get our initial thoughts out because it's important as a learning thing for us, for our listeners who might feel the same way as we do, that if we do say something incorrectly based on our perspective that we learn the same way they would learn and that sort of thing. Sure. Do we get Talia into? Yep. She's showing us offline, but I'll call.

Let's see what happens here. Natalia, let's bring in Natalia. Natalia is currently offline, according to this. Yeah, I can't. I can't get it. She's not answering. Talia, if you're out there, if you're hearing me, oh, there she is. Hi.

Hello. Hello? Are you there? Okay. I didn't know it worked like this. All right. Yeah, totally. I just can pull you in.

Welcome to the world of technology today. Hey, so we're, let's hear what you have to say. You're, you're, you're exactly the kind of person I wanted to weigh in on this. So what do you? First of all, Brian, transgendered, it's transgender, we're not past tense. Gotcha. Transgender. Okay.

Yeah. All right, Scott. So if Shaq started taking hormones and let's assume Shacks are also taking spironealactone to suppress her testosterone. Got it. Do you think her body will go through? through zero changes? Oh, no, I assume it'd go through all kinds of changes, I would assume.

Yeah. I don't know that, I don't know if he's suddenly going to be 6.1 though, right? Like he's... No, I mean, they're not getting a shrink, but there are tall women. I mean, you know, being tall doesn't automatically make you good at basketball. Right. So if you want to disqualify people for being tall or being, you know, having a body very well suited to their sport, you should disqualify Michael Phelps for having a weird mutant fish body.

Yeah, fair point. Fair point. So, all right. So then why do you think Shaq would still have, so let's assume Shaq goes through the normal transition things with a loss of muscle mass. Well, let's assume the, I guess what is there to assume that he would or she would in this case? Like, why, what would you have to do that? Is that part of the deal? In other words, if you decide to transition, is that always part of the consideration or can it just be like?

It typically is. So I would say, I'm making this up off my own knowledge. I don't know if this is real, but I'd say 95, over 95% of trans people do some sort of medical transition. And by medical transition, I mean from taking hormones all the way to what I've done with all the surgery and shit. Sure, sure. So we have someone who's, if you're taking estrogen and suppressing your testosterone, you are going to lose your muscle mass. Right. So, we assume, so let's just assume that Shack goes all the way for, well, not all the way, let's just say taking hormones for about a year or so, and I think these are about the Olympic standards that were established in the 2000s, and they have like a certain level of testosterone that can be allowed to be in your bloodstream, and if you're below that, then you're allowed to compete.

And, you know, it's kind of arbitrary. They said it wherever they want, and it's actually risen up that they're, are cis women who actually have naturally high testosterone and they're disqualified because of these rules. Right. There was a woman, an African woman, who had naturally high testosterone and was winning a bunch of races and there was

a huge controversy over her having naturally high testosterone. So are you going to punish her just for having, you know, just the wrong DNA? Right. Jesus. Right, right. It's crazy. So let's so we, but that's an aside. So chat goes through loses muscle mass.

And, you know, so let's say we see an actual, you know, deficit in performance and, you know, she decides, okay, it's time to go to the WNBA or something. Right. And it's been, I don't know, year, two years, testosterone levels are within cis female ranges. Right. Okay. And so what's the difference for you? Well, you're, well, it's not, I have no problem with it. It's this other dude.

No, no, I'm just like, this is thought. I'm not accusing. No, no, no, I know. I'm just like, yeah. I know. But what I'm, so I'm answering that, but here's what I also will say. I think this guy thinks that Shaq, if this happened, poor Shaq, we're just pulling him into this stupid story.

As far as I know, he's just happy making his own shoes and raising his kid now. But anyway, let's say he did all this. I think in this guy who was asking me the question, I think is in his head, his thinking is it's overnight, that Shaq decides on a Monday. I'm a woman and I'm going to be and I'll see a Friday against the Pistons and then after that I'm going to the AWN like he thinks it's all like black and white day one is the decision day two is let's play and you've you've laid out some interesting points which is this stuff the word transition means it has an inherent time right time time is part of it so you don't do it overnight you don't do it and you wouldn't automatically be qualified to the top of you and be overnight. Like, they would probably do some blood testing and have their own rules. I mean, I don't know what, I don't know how it works for them. But I mean, like, yeah, no, they would have like a doctor, you know, approve the process and say, oh, yes, they are, you know, biological,

you know, to meet whatever biological criteria that we've established and everything. It doesn't happen overnight. It's not like macho man, Randy Savage can put on a dress and start wrestling with women. Right. Right. It has never been like that. Yeah. Worked for Andy Kaufman. Yeah. He's the only one. And he's still alive. Well, not by the CIA, kept him alive. Yes, right. He's still alive somewhere.

So, okay, so this is kind of where I thought I was going to go. And in the moment, it was hard for me to formulate, like, the time factor. Obviously, the time factor makes a huge difference. But you mentioned some of these, like, regulations and rules that are already in place, dealing with levels of testosterone or levels of, you know, probably various other. And, like, that in itself can have, has some of its issues because it's all, like, are you reducing a woman just to her lack of testosterone. Right, right, right, right.

It's got its own step. You know, baby steps. But that's my question is, is do you think we are closer to those things being reevaluated at a core level? Like, if you could take away all of the public pressure on all sides, just for a second on this issue and just say, hey, we need to, is there a need to reevaluate these rules? Like, in an objective point of view, do the rules need a tweak? It sounds like they probably always need tweaking. Like we always need to be looking at them, not just set them in 09 and then never touch them again sort of thing, right? Like we should probably look at them and, you know, determine whether something should be increased or decreased or, you know, something's changed in the general population.

Or there are people who are transgender who are now in the sport. So we need to adjust our numbers to accommodate this and this and this. Do you think that is happening or we're close to that happening? it could I mean with the way things are going I'd say we're probably more likely just to drop gendered sports in general and just like if whoever you are just compete and no one cares

I think that should be the actual goal but if we're actually going to concern ourselves so much with the WNBA and all these women's versions of sports maybe we should first focus on treating them equally giving them equal attention and paying them equally because that's you know transgender like the only times most of these

Bigots only care about women's sports is when they can be bigoted about trans people in women's sports. Then they'll go back to not caring about it at all in the first place. Well, and that's the other, there's an economic factor here that is, is that the viewing audience for the WMBA. And this is cyclical, right? Some things affect others, and that's why they're the way they are. But, you know, in a very real sense, compared to the NBA, nobody's watching the WMBA. Just in sheer numbers, they can't pay equal because they don't get. get viewed equal, which means their value is an equal.

And it may also be that that's determined by these outside factors of bigotry or whatever. I'm sure they contribute. But I guess what I'm saying is I've always wondered, like we had a girl on our football team in high school. And it was great. We all thought it was awesome. Just seemed cool. And nobody else was doing it. So it just seemed like we were cool.

Why not do that? Like if you've got somebody who's just a rad quarterback, then who cares? Maybe it's a sport versus sport issue. Like I don't know if it's like individual sports are more prone to this problem. Like if you're going to have, let's say, track and field head-to-head race or something versus, say, a team sport where really it's just about how the team does and what your role in the team is. So maybe we see more happen on the team end before we see it happen on the individual end, you know, to see progress in that. space? What do you think about that?

I mean, well, even, so track and field and weightlifting are probably the other big ones. Yeah. And especially with track in field, it's like, in some like, if we just go by the logic of it, if you lose muscle mass, but your skeletal structure

doesn't change, then you're working with basically a heavier skeletal structure with less muscle mass than a norm, than, you know, you know, someone would normally have to deal with at that time. So, you're almost at a disadvantage. I mean, like me, I'm post-op, and so I have less testosterone. I have no natural source of testosterone except for my adrenal glands now, which is less than a cis woman. So I

actually have less testosterone than a cis woman would. But I still have, you know, the male skeletal structure. So I'm dealing with my, you know, I've got to build up the muscle to support that. And if I don't have the testosterone to do that, then it's a little bit more difficult. Yeah. Like my, my testosterone's in the toilet. So I feel like, a certain solidarity to people low testosterone. I got the big time low tea right now. Yeah and it's you know kind of just like

how we're at what point are we reducing people to their biology and not to their skill and um you know and again it kind of comes down to it's like you know if we just go straight to weight lifting which is you know all about muscle and stuff like that

yeah I think there are some stories of you know some trans women who've gone in and dominated but I don't know But levels are, and I just woke up, so I'm not remembering correctly. I love that we got you right up with this, just immediately out of bed and ready to rock on the topic. Yeah, exactly, yeah. I appreciate it. Well, it's hot and they have to wear conditioning, so I didn't sleep well, so shut up.

Well, it's all good. I'm glad you piped in, though, because I need to be a good one to talk to him. I did not want to type this out on a phone. Oh, no, of course not. Of course not. And I'm sure we'll hear from some other trans folk in the community. They'll write in. but I'm yeah but yeah it's to put you know just to put a cap on it all you know it's

try to avoid reducing people to biology and at the same time also just you know think it through that it's not yeah like you said it is this is more to the to the guy than you that it's not as no one goes through you know medical transition and you know losing friends and all of this just so they can have an edge in a sport yeah that's one of the things I said earlier is like Yeah, this is not something that somebody goes through just for an advantage in a different league. It doesn't make any sense when people use that as an excuse. They say things like that. And I just go, are you kidding me?

Just listen to what you're saying about that person. You think it was worth it for you to be so vitriolic and mean for them to change their whole lifestyle just so they could get two extra points in that game? Give me a break. Well, and it's, you know, also just if they're, it's just, you know, how do you, it's just really hard to put into words what you know why they should have something other than just saying oh they have more testosterone oh they have this and this

but when you think about how it actually plays out it doesn't really confirm much of an advantage and if it does they're trying to find that there are scientists going through and you know looking at you know if there are advantages or not disadvantages for trans people

in, you know, they're identified, in the gendered sport they identify with, they haven't really found much. And I mean, and if you look at a lot of, you know, past things like Fallon Fox in the MMA, she's a trans woman in MMA who's mediocre. She's not great. She's not

bad. She's just there. Yeah. And, you know, there are other, you know, it's just like, even when those situations do happen, that most of these people are probably complaining about and couldn't name the person.

um it they just they're they're just you know it's just like one of the other girls right that's it and then also ask yourself going the other direction too about how about the uh what's ronda mousy who was not allowed to wrestle with um all the men so he was forced to wrestle because all the women completely destroyed them right because this is this is the equality that you're not thinking about and when that guy asked you about that chat question ask him if you can name a single wn d a team in the first place. No, he can't. He can't.

Let alone a player name and name one team. I think I could just know the A lot of it. That guy cannot name that there's no way he can name it. I know this just knowing him enough. And also, I mean, he didn't just build a straw man in this argument. He built a shack-sized straw man. And I'm a little annoyed by it because, wow, way to take an example that is not actually an example.

It's not even real. Like he made it up. But it's a what if. okay well all right well if we're going to play in what ifs then let's get really down and dirty he don't want to do that he just wanted black and white answers and he thinks he kind of won that argument and I just kind of walked away going well I don't know I'll ask people I don't know I don't know about this stuff so I'm glad we did and I'm glad you got up thanks for getting out of bed and we we miss you around the chat so hope you're uh hope you're doing good yeah work

work work work work all right we'll talk to you later tallie so there you have it there you haven't answers from at least one of our trans community. If anyone else wants to pipe in, please email us or text us or whatever, and we'd be happy to hear it. I, you know, I say this a lot and I say this in person to all of them when I see them in person in Vegas and stuff like that. But I'm so, A, I'm so glad that they're part of our community. And B, I'm so glad that they are understanding and willing to help and help educate a doofus like me when I ask, you know, questions that things I don't understand instead of

you know we don't know shit shrugging me off yeah we don't know we don't know we don't know nothing you know we know we know we know we are at the very we are baseline allies for people and I don't care who you are whatever you all deserve to live your lives the way you want to live them love love be who you want to be inside do who you want to yes 100% across the board you always get that from us but when we get into the weeds sometimes we don't have the right answers we don't know Yeah, yeah.

So thank you for the clarification and the additional insight. All right, Brian. And I can now name a second, WNBA team, the Los Angeles Sparks. Oh, the Sparks. Oh, and the Chicago Sky. See, I don't know any of these. It was only because I looked it up, but I'm going to memorize them. I know the new NBA 2K game has, or 2K's NBA game has the WMBA in there.

As WMBA as an option. I think the first time. or maybe brought it back. I don't remember, but, but yeah, we just don't, people don't forefront it. So, you know, Claire made the point in the chat, like, well, they don't really, you know, push sports for girls when they're young, the way they do for boys. And so, of course, we're a culture that values adult male sports over adult female sports, for the most part, at least, you know, the major sports, because we don't value it when they're younger. And that's true, too. But it's this vicious cycle.

I don't know how you get out of it. I'm not here to fix that. That's all going to have to be another generation. Will you see, how soon will you see this person again that you can probably antagonistically, but just kind of say, so yeah, here's a couple questions. Probably Friday and I'm going to, I'm going to make him an MP3 of the whole conversation.

You can just hear it. Oh, great. Oh, terrific. I'll just let him hear it. Yeah. I mean, he knows, he knows he and I don't see eye to eye on stuff. Yeah. He's mostly this kind of, he's a kind of person who's like,

don't tread on me unless it's. something I don't like and then I'll tread on that person kind of mentality and I just hate that I find it hypocritical and terrible and he's listening to this right now and dude you know you know I like you you're cool dude yeah we have a lot in common you don't like you as a person I don't see eye with you and I don't I don't think that you're you're you know your um hateful you just have this you know you just haven't seen the other perspective seeing the other side yeah and I don't think if he he was, if he was face to face with, you know, Talley or Abbey or anyone else, he would not be

antagonistic. He would be, you know, he talks a lot of talk until he meets real people. And then he's like, oh, well, I guess they're people too, you know. I, uh, I spend so much of my time when I'm in the lift, when I'm driving for a lift. I, uh, spend so much of my time just biting my tongue kind of like, okay, yep, we only have three more minutes until I drop you off and I'll never have to see you again. and I don't have to enter into a big discussion of why your opinion is wrong. Yeah, I'll bet you see it's like that spree movie, that one guy.

Yes, exactly. I don't have any bottles of water with whatever thing you have in the water to knock him out. Oh, that movie sucked so bad. I freaking hated that movie. It didn't suck, Scott, because it made you think about stuff. Oh, no, I still think about it. You're right. I still think about it.

If the goal was to make me think about it, I still do. Yeah. So in that case... Definitely was the goal of that case. In that case, success. But I really hated you. Poorly, uh, man, I don't even know. That movie set out to do something and I think it accomplished that.

Was it entertaining less so? But was it, did it give a perspective of something that should be, could easily happen? Yes. Yeah. And in other hands could have been better executed? 100%. Yeah. Totally agree.

All right. So anyway. Let's do a news story. It's time for the news. And it's brought to you by. Brought to you by eating next to the owner of 571 burgers and whiskey and hearing him fart. Oh yeah. Speaking to your little fart story pre-show.

Yeah. If you're not a patron, you missed out, by the way. Brian had a great story. Yeah, you got to sign up so you can hear that. You still do it. Sign up today and you can hear that story. We were told that we were sitting next to the franchise. Kim and I went to lunch there yesterday,

and we were sitting by the franchise owner, the guy that owns this location. And he was this very tan, very buff, very tattooed up, looking rich dude with a brand new corvette out front, red corvette, the new model, beautiful car. And a lovely woman with him. I don't know who went relation they were. But I watched him order his food.

Girl walked away. And then I watched him lift a cheek and do a little, so so he it wasn't even like an accident like oh geez excuse me sorry no it was like a well nobody paying attention yeah he opened the door and let the let the horse out of the barn absolutely uh all right check this out the pick your own event is off now as all the fruit was eaten by birds oh this is a bummer this is in cornwall so you english people know what's going on there is a pick your own cherries event Every year, the National Trust property in Cornwall.

This year it got canceled. Blackbirds ate all the fruit. They did not leave plums. They just took plums. They took all the plums. Finally, the limerick, or not the limerick, the riddle makes sense. Yes. Dude was due to be held tomorrow, June 28th.

And the event was to span over five days at Coteliel. How do you say that? Oh, let me see here. Catelele. Boy, see, the problem is that that's probably Welsh, my guess is, and it's probably pronounced flurg. I know they get those, their words are weird. C-O-T. They print it, they spell things completely differently than they're pronounced.

Somebody, C-O-T-E-H-E-E-L-E. Yeah, if anyone says, give me, give me, okay, Claire, here you go. Yeah, try it, Claire. C-O-T-E. Sitting over there in Northern Ireland, acting like she knows how everything's spelled in all the other places. Claire, Gack. All right.

Yeah. Why Welsh isn't, isn't Cornwall in, am I? I thought Cornwall was in Wales. Yeah. No? No. See, I don't know things about it. Oh, Cornwall isn't? I don't know.

Really? No. Oh, geez. Really? Is it really? Well, then this explains that word. I've grown up always thinking Cornwall was in, one minute, come on now. It's named after a British general or something.

Cornwall Wallace. No, it's not it. what is it? Hold on. Cornwall's in England, but not, but not Welsh looks like, but Cornwall's in England. Okay. Yeah. Or as I typed into search, Engling. South England, okay. Oh, come on. Come on, Claire. Back off. All right, go ahead. Laura Jamon from the National Trust said 80 trees have been cleared of cherries and they're feasting on them by these cheeky blackbirds, she says. She says, cherry orchards. have been blossoming since 2004,

but in the last few years or past few years, there have been larger amounts of cherries. We've been very excitedly planning our pick-and-pick-your-own-cherrys at the... On Monday, we were getting... I don't know how to say it, getting the planning in place, checking the cherries were ripening, and Wednesday morning, the gardener came in to tell us, they're all gone! They're gone!

So the pick-your-own-cherrys event has turned into a shoot-your-own-blackbird event. Yeah, yeah. We're switching gears. Yep. We're pivoting this year. Bring your dogs. We're ready to rock. She did say this. 80 trees worth of cherries have been feasted on by these cheeky birds. She added, they're so cute. We don't mind too much, she says. All right. Well, okay. So people are like, Cornwall has its own language. Yeah, Cornish. I do know Cornish's language. I swear to God, I thought Cornwall was in Wales. And a part of Wales could have a different language, right? Yeah. Sure. They had dial. Linguish. Yeah, more languish.

They got dialects all over the place over there. They have pasties and they have their own language and I thought they were a part of whales. Well, there you have. Final quick story. This is for you, Brian. By the way, Chris says it's pronounced Koshal, Koshiel. Good Lord. That's heft up.

This is for you. Okay. Squirtle Lane is a real place in Las Vegas. There is a property company who is now naming all of their new streets. after Pokemon characters. So two things you love. You love Vegas and you love the Pokemon. I love Vegas. I don't love Henderson, though.

Oh, yeah. Henderson is a problem. Henderson's a bad Pokemon. It's a kidding. It evolves into a perumper. Yeah, no. Henderson is also where that Simpson's house was that somebody won with a Frito Lay contest.

Oh, yeah. And they put this house right in the middle of a community without thinking about the fact that, yeah, people are going to be constantly driving down that street to see the Simpsons House. So, of course, the people who want it painted it to not look like the Simpsons House, even though it basically looks like the Simpsons House painted to look like all the houses around it. Yeah, that's a bummer. If I'd have gotten it, I'd been stoked and then realized you're like, it's like the place you drove past for the pizza on the roof. Right, right, and Albuquerque, yeah, exactly.

Basically, you'd either embrace it, dress up as Homer Simpson's. sit there with your garage opening, waving to everybody who drives by, or you'd say, oh, we have to move. You basically paint it to look like every other house. Well, this lady, Andrea Miller, she is the project construction manager of this new housing development. She's naming them all Pokemon because she loves them and her kids love them. And she's like, I don't care.

It's going to be jiggly puff and freaking squirtle lane and all this business. So I don't want to live on jiggly puff street. I just don't. Yeah. Snorlax Avenue. Snorlax, oh my gosh, Snorlax circle would be kind of fun, right? Snorlax circle, there you go.

That wouldn't be too bad. Every once in the chat says, Scott, quit scratching your eye. It's gross. I can't help it. It's just so bad right now. I'm not even pinching it. I'm itching under it thing.

Yeah, but you've made contact with the tear ducts liquid that keeps, you get a mucous membranes there. If you get a little tear, you're touching it. You're going to get that on your finger. Then you're going to touch your other. other eye and you're going to have two pink eyes Scott let me ask you this so Tolbert if you're listening this is for you buddy um if this i was told conjunctivitis is extremely contagious right

really easy to get if that's so why whenever i've had it in my entire life it's only ever one eye it seems like if it's that contagious and it's the same face and they're inches not even inches inch apart you wouldn't think you'd need a finger to spread it from one eye to the other because they're connected by an entire face full of tissue inside. Yeah. And even then, how have I not transferred it? How did I use the same pillow last night that I did the night before and not

get some eye goo in the other eye? Why? Why? Is it because my immune system like, protect the other eye at all costs? Get up, man, it's time for like I don't know. I don't know what my immune system does on its free time. Anyway, there you go. Those are your stories. Let's move

on and take a break. When we come back, we'll be making some stuff with Bill. After that some science with bobby all that coming up after this song brian brought dang it and i didn't have this ready all right so the singer the performer that i'm going to be playing oh this is cool so this is a woman in uh la who goes by the name goblin she and kind of um let's see here she where is it i did it a indie musician touring bassist for Claude Goblin, who's they, she goes by they, them. Claude Goblin?

No, she's the bassist for a band called Claude. Her name is Goblin. And it's spelled G-O-B-L-Y-N-N-E. Like if her name was Lynn, she just added Gob to the beginning, so she's Goblin, which I really loved. Love that. This is her brand new album, which is called Hot! Exclamation Point, frowny Face, which is an art pop record about the delicious, insane horrors of trying to be a girl.

I love this. So this just came out last week. And there's a very, there's kind of a wet leg property. I don't know if you're familiar with wet leg in their song about Shays Long. Oh, yeah. On the Shays Long.

My mom, or my mom. My wife loves that song and I like it, but I don't like the word, Shays Long. Shays Long. I hate it. Because if you glance, you think it should be Chase's,

lounge. Yeah, and it doesn't matter how the wrong place. Yeah, no matter how anyone says it, even somebody who's actually French, it's like doily or gymnasium or I hate that word so much. But that song's awesome. They're great. Love those guys.

Pardon. That's right, butter. Can you come and butter my muffin? Anyway, I love wet leg and I love that song. All right. Anyway, that's who this reminds me of. The singer is Goblin. The new single is where this goes. It's from her brand new album hot exclamation point frowny face and i'm dead serious about

the exclamation point frowny face um check it out here's the here's the song where this goes I'm not sure what to call this I'm not sure what to call this all I could throw myself into the deepest part of it And just like that I'm all in Could listen to you talk about dumb shit You bought on Craigs are still out wither and die My cheeks heard from smiling We sit down in the parking lot under the neon cross And the pipes that look like swastikas

Because you really only take me to the ugliest places But that just makes it obvious how beautiful your faces I think this one's going somewhere and I want to see where it's falling I want to see where this goes and this one's going somewhere And I want to see where it's going. I want to see where this goes ahead. I don't want to rush this. Take it slow, take it slow, take it slow, take it slow.

I'm a rest of rushing I got nowhere to be and nowhere to go so with the gas feels slow and slow ooh suddenly we're here in aisle three

both panicking buying shelves from my new bedroom it's disgusting and I want to screw my heart right down to you sit right in holding you two we roared away I never fell this way

I mean like I don't even hate when you call me, babe, I think this one's going somewhere and I want to see where it's going more. I want to see where this goes and this one's going somewhere and I want to see where it's going more. I want to see where this goes And this one's going somewhere

I think this one's going somewhere I want you to take me They're not scared where this was going, and I want to see where this goes And have no. Oh, it's my

lives. It's here. It's here that the customer has her last important contact with the store. To a large extent, a checker's actions determine whether a shopper will be back. And we're back. Sure, that was Goblin, G-O-B-L-Y-N-N-E,

and the brand-new single where this goes from her new album Hot exclamation point frowny face I just remembered that Bill is driving today He's not here Oh right So I'm gonna add Bobby early

Bobby are you ready for my early adding Because you're online If it makes you feel better Bobby We can call you Bill For the first two minutes You're on the call Yeah I always try to anyway You know

Or even do it by accident Why not continue the tradition Yeah I actually knew this And then forgot So what good does it do need to ping these people the night before? I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, we'll try to call Bobby. He might be taking a poop. Science. I don't know. Science poop. Who knows, but hopefully he is ringing in. Oh, there he is. All right. He's a real sport. Let's play this now. Science.

Bob is hungry, and the soup looks good. Hey, look, it's Bobby Frankenberger, who didn't think he's going to be on for another 20 minutes or so, but now he's here. And, Boy, what a thrill it is for me. Yeah, welcome to the one day you decide to call a little bit early is the one day that I can't listen live because I'm, we were in the, we're recording our science podcast. Oh, right like right now, you're recording now? Don't worry, don't worry, because right now you're feeling guilty. I am. Don't worry, we had planned already to take a break in the middle of recording so that I could do TMS.

Oh, well then, so he just shifted a little bit early. Yeah, so now we're just taking a little bit. bit early. I was like, oh, looks like they're calling me early. Let's take our break now. The good news is, you know, the show prior to this, you didn't miss anything. Nothing controversial, no, you know, no exciting deep talk or anything like that. So yeah, you have nothing to worry about. Yeah, you didn't know reason. No reason. I guess I'm going to have to go back and listen to. You might want to. You might enjoy it. I don't think it was all that controversial. I think it was educational. I think, uh, I think we helped people understand some

things. I hope. But I have no idea what you've got planned. You got the science dripping off you like you always do, but now you're even hot from a break from your science podcast. You must really be ready to land something here. So what did you bring there, Bobby? I brought some COVID news. Uh-oh. It's not bad. I heard COVID was over, Bobby.

Yeah. Well, you know, that's another question entirely. Do you remember we talked about, did we talk about it on this show where the World Health Organization? said that it's basically endemic now. Did we talk about it here? Yeah, we did. A couple weeks ago.

Yeah. Well, fortunately, that's not what I'm talking about. So that's why when I went to the doctor yesterday, I did not have to put on a mask when I was waiting in the waiting room. It was optional if I had any symptoms for the first time. That was new at ours too. They said, I even asked her about it. And she says, yeah, I just got to the point where we were having arguments with everybody about it.

Like everybody that came in was having a problem with it. and we were like all right well even though this is a place where people come in that are sick all the time we kind of thought it would stick but we're just going to let them if they basically have a sign that says if you have a cold or any kind of anything and you're coming in here please wear a mask and that's as good as they can do yeah right right yeah do you find that um where you guys are that people are still uh people are still wearing are still masking the way that they were oh no not even close um i i guess i I'm asking the question in the wrong way, because no, people aren't masking the way that they were. The way they were. No, but when I'm in the airport or on a plane, I do see, that's probably where I see the highest concentration of people still wearing masks. And that's probably a smart place to still, you know, still wear your mask, especially, I mean,

if you're feeling sick, wherever you go, grocery store, bank, I don't care. If you're feeling sick and you leave the house, wear a freaking mask. That's, that bottom line. I think that's the one thing that we should take from this that should apply to any problems, any symptoms, COVID or not. If you're feeling sick and you leave the house, wear a mask. Is it a common courtesy for everybody else? Asian countries are like- And that's what I was wondering about is, is do you find that people are generally more tolerant?

Like, people are still seem to be willing to wear masks and people aren't weirded out as much. Oh, I got a story for you want to hear a good one. So we went to, I think I told on the show, we went to Van's soccer game. And Dylan's dad is a little on the, we'd wear a mask for kind of side of things, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we get there and I really like him, by the way, he's awesome. He's a great guy, but he's got some of these, you know, it's got some hangups. And we get there and Carter's wearing a mask because she had, she had that con crud from London on her way back.

She got really sick. She was sick for like four days. It was awful. It was never COVID, but it was, she was pretty sick. she really wanted to see her nephew play this one's the last game so she shows up in a mask and he goes what are you wearing a mask for you figure you get COVID and she goes no I just had this flu bug con cred thing I got in London I didn't want to get anyone else sick and he goes oh well actually I appreciate that thanks I appreciate it so he did a complete turnaround right because you

know she she had this reason and so when you take when you take people's politics out of it suddenly it becomes oh well thanks for protecting me anyway Exactly. Other than that, though, I haven't seen, I haven't run into any, like, major problems. I haven't seen any Costco people having a fit because somebody else is wearing a mask and they're not. Yeah. I just think that hopefully that's something that sticks around is that people are at least more comfortable with the idea of masks. Yeah. Yeah, I want to be like Asia. I want to be like Japan.

I just want, you know, they've been doing this forever. Yeah, it's just a thing. Another thing that people do. Yeah. So I hope it stays that way. What I don't mind. If somebody's like, I can't wear a mask, it kills me. Even if I get sick, it's fine. I don't care if you say that to yourself.

Say that to yourself. Quit giving anyone shit for wearing one. That's my only problem with it. I would like it if you all would be more careful around each other. That would be great. But if you're not going to be, freaking keep it to yourself. Don't go up to strangers. There's a TikTok pranker guy.

His whole gig, his whole shtick is to walk up to people in Walmarts or anywhere he finds anyone in a mask and accost them and start shooting. questions at them about why they're doing it. What are they afraid of? Are they afraid of have you been vaccinated? Like all this stuff just like bombarding them. And these poor people like this one woman's like, um, I'd like a really serious, uh, autoimmune disease. And I'm, my doctor told me to wear this everywhere I go. No, it doesn't matter whether there's anyone sick or not. Like, I just want to jump through the screen and kick this kid's ass so hard. I just want to beat him to a pulp because, uh, that's my problem. It isn't the other, it isn't that you might

have some misgivings or you feel weird. my problem is you going after other people so F right off at that business all right here's my two bird I want to start a TikTok double bird yeah I want to start a TikTok where what I do is I go up to those people and

and make it so that they don't have the internet anymore and watch them freak out yeah right I think that's really the only thing driving all of this is they're the clicks yeah right exactly clout chasers man cloud chasin's a real

disease what I heard of the other days the new phrase I like is when people get called fatally online. Have you heard that before? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't heard that. I like that one.

People will be like, I'm so fatally online, I totally believe this thing, or I did this thing, and I don't know. It's a great term. We'll see if I'm sick of it in a week, but I like it right now.

Anyway. But I got some COVID news. Oh, good. Let's hear it. Oh, yeah, this is where this started, yes. Yeah. So the basic, so the CDC worked with the American Red Cross recently

and tested a bunch of blood donations. because they wanted to test for antibodies in the general population just to see where things were. It's just a, it can be a good idea to test for antibodies just to see where things are not just with COVID, but with different diseases altogether, but they were looking at COVID in this. They wanted to see how many people have COVID-19 antibodies in their blood.

And this was around the fall of last year, so fall 2022, and they found that, get ready, 96.4% of Americans had COVID-19 antibodies in their blood by the fall of 2022. Now, what's the sample? Wow. What's the sample size of that blood, though? You know, not everyone gives blood.

So how do they jump to that? No, but they had, I actually didn't look into exactly how many, but it was fairly large because they have access to all blood donations in any other, any other way that the American Red Cross was getting blood from people. They test it for a lot of different things already. So they were just working, CDC was just working with the American Red Cross and they had them just run these tests, right? And they found that there are kind of three categories, four if you count another one, but the categories of people that they found were people who had antibodies from just vaccines, like vaccine induced antibodies. only. There were people who had

antibodies from only from infection. That's how they got their antibodies. And then there was a hybrid group of people who had antibodies from both infection and from vaccination.

And then of course, the 3.6 of people who had no antibodies at all. So no exposure to COVID-19 yet. That's a small group. Very small. 3.6% of people so 26.1% of people were they found were had their antibodies from only vaccines like that's how they got their antibodies they haven't had infection they've their vaccine induced antibodies only right

and then 22.6% of people from just infection and then the large majority almost half of all the people 47.7% of people had some combination of antibodies from from getting vaccines and and from having a COVID infection. Can any of that happen through transfusion? Like from other people's blood who, you know what I mean? Like, can I show antibodies if I had gotten an accident and they rushed me to the hospital, give me a bunch of O2 negative,

and then bam, I've got some antibodies because that guy gave his blood did? That's a really good question. They didn't talk about that, but I would guess that that's probably, yeah. I mean, that's all you need is. so antibodies are different than antigens also antibodies are what your body is producing right um so um you can have antibodies but i don't know if those stick around or if the

antibodies themselves can act as an antigen that would cause you to produce more antibodies that's that's something i don't know um but uh but they're pretty confident that they can they can divide out these groups and it's it's interesting how they figured it out because what it is is that when your body naturally makes antibodies, it's this type of antibody called an anti-N antibody because it's the antibodies that your body produces from a natural infection are targeting a different protein than what the vaccines are targeting. The vaccines target, we all have heard of the spike proteins at this point, which are those finger-like spike protrusions from from the outside of the virus right the vaccines produce

those we call it they're called s proteins just short for spike but uh so what they do is they create uh a vaccine that has those spike proteins in it or something similar that causes your body to produce anti s antibodies which target the spike proteins so they're very specific to the vaccines this is not how your body natural does it. So we can look to see if you have anti-S antibodies that are targeting, from targeting these spike proteins, that means you got the vaccine, that you got a vaccine. And so the next question is, do you have the anti-N antibodies, which are the naturally occurring

ones? If you do, then that means you were exposed to an infection. And then you can just look at the overlap by looking at vaccine databases and everything to figure out who falls into the vaccine only, infection only, or the hybrid group. Is it still true that the antibodies are only supposed to last like three months or two months in your system or something? Is that changed? Well, that's one of the questions that people have is that is is is this number how accurately does this number represent the population? And they're pretty confident that that it's actually this 96.4% is actually an underestimate of how many people have

antibodies in the population. And the reason that they think it's an underestimate is exactly what you're talking about, Scott, is antibodies fade over time. We know that that's true. Yeah. So if you've gotten the vaccine and then, or you're exposed, but you've not been exposed in a long time, then you might have a really low antibody rate that might not be picked up by a test. Also, the tests could be faulty or it just is a false negative or something like that. So, and that always happens. So it's always going to be, you know, that their guess is that this 97, 96.4% is actually an underreporting and that probably it's even closer to 100% of people in the population. So if they tested me and Brian, Brian, what were you, October last year? You had your?

September. It was right after Labor Day. Okay. Mine was November. If they tested Brian and I's blood, would we show anything at this stage? Probably. Probably, yeah. And I don't know that for sure. I don't know the exact numbers, but I do know that when they were talking about talking about what the schedule of boosters and vaccinations and everything is going to be that they're moving towards a yearly one. So I'd imagine that that's based on the fact that it probably lasts, you know, long enough that doing it once a year is okay. Also, we know that having the vaccine and being infected with COVID gives you even better immunity. So you probably, if you had COVID exposure and you had the vaccine, then you probably have antibodies even more, sticking around even longer. That would be good. Yeah. So that's all speculation, though.

I don't know those numbers for sure. Do we know what the current infection rates are? Like, you know, no one talks about these anymore because it's not, you know, the breaking horrible news it used to be, but is it, is it still like, I mean, I assume some. It's still out there and it's still killing people, for sure. It's, uh, so when the World Health Organization decided to, to sort of downgrade it from being an emergency, uh, the, that decision was based on not on infection rate. Um, that decision. I think in, in part it was based on infection rate, but, um, um, But definitely a large part of that decision was based on how most countries know how to treat and deal with it now. And so that's a lot of why it was an emergency before is because it was brand new. And people were dying at such high numbers because we didn't know how to treat it. It was just send people to hospitals, put them on a respirator, and hope that they make it through.

I mean, I'm simplifying it a lot and I don't want to don't want to downplay the amount of effort and work that healthcare professionals put into helping people. But yeah, we didn't know a lot about it, but now we do. We know how to treat it. We know it works. We know the types of medications to give. We know the types of general medical treatments to help keep people alive. And so we're equipped now to deal with. we have the infrastructure in in in in place to say okay um looks like infection rates are going up

what are the types of things that we need to do to make sure that it doesn't you know like we know how to do this on a population level as well all this kind of stuff right and so that's why it got downgraded but it's certainly still out there um even though the director of the world health organization he even made the point that yes this isn't it's being downgraded from an emergency, but, but people are still, lots of people are still dying every day. So we can't stop worrying about this. We can't stop thinking this is a problem. We just, it's not, it's not an emergency. I suspect when fall and winter rolls around, we'll hear about the usual uptake, like flu and everything else we get every year. And I assume it's also probably the, you know, it's the high

risk groups that are still at most risk. Like, you know, you're. Oh, yeah. And people in their 80s. It's that way with everything. I mean, it's that way with the flu as well. Yeah. You know, young infants who can't get the flu shot and the elderly who are just at higher risk in general. Sure. Those are the ones you worry about the most.

Sure. That makes sense. Take care of grandma, everybody. You've got to do the things you got to do to keep everybody safe. Like when you have pink eye, you should stop touching your face. I know, right? What is with these people to keep touching their eye when they've got pink eyes? I know. Exactly.

Some people have been saying, like, get an ice pack really quick and just have it over your eye to quality itching at least. Oh, there's no other reason. I think I should be bad. Have you talked to the doctor? Have you gotten any eyedrops or anything? No, she says if it's not better by the night or this afternoon, I got to call her again. And if it's not, we're going to get some weird. Because they usually, it's like last time I had this was, I don't know, when Van was a baby.

Same thing happened. Yeah. You just love putting babies in your eye. Yeah. I mean, I get real cuddly with. them but he he he he when that happened to me it took me i don't know it was maybe 15 hours and and it went away or it started to go away enough to where i didn't worry about it and this time i was hoping for the same but we're already creeping up on that number so i probably got to

just get some shit they've got antibiotic eye drops that'll probably kill it in half an afternoon or something so i probably should just do it that's why i thought it that's why i think it's weird that they said that just wait because they can stephanie had pink eye not too long ago, and she didn't even have to go in. She just called, she did like a teledoc thing, and they just looked at it on the camera, and they were like, yep, and they called it in, and the antibiotic dietrops are so cheap. Yeah, they don't cost much. They're cheap to do.

It's not a big deal. I think she just doesn't, she's kind of weird in that sometimes she seems like she wants to not just throw medication at everything, and then there are other times where she wants to throw medication at everything. Yeah, but pink eye is so contagious. Oh, no. I'm giving it to you right now, just looking at you. I know. I'm going to go dunk my face in some acid when I'm going.

I've got a filter on my Discord to keep me from doing it. Yeah. So anyway, it's mostly like right now, it doesn't hurt in the morning's in at night. It reminds me of a cold. It's worse than the morning and at night always. And I woke up this morning. It was like a big crusty nightmare and, you know, like a warm washcloth over it. Yeah, and if you hold it there long enough, it kind of eases it. And they say that's the best because it promotes blood flow, because the heat will get the blood in your eye moving around, which is always good for just healing anything. And they said, don't put ice on it. I said, really? She goes, yeah, no ice. Ice will just slow that all down and the healing takes longer.

Don't do it. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, yeah. And your eye already has limited blood flow to begin with, so you don't want to slow that down. Don't strike those blood vessels any further. Yeah. yeah okay kind of makes sense don't heal my eyeball uh well anyway it's always good to talk to you what is the topic you guys are discussing on the show that's currently pause that you'll go back to

when we hang up on oh we're talking right now i mean i was in the middle of talking about glass and how glass is made so that'll come out next week that's cool do you get into how like in the the old west the glass was always kind of warbly and how we figured that out because that was a cool innovation and it wasn't warbly anymore do you know what i'm talking about We're not talking about that. I should have you on the... You should be... Oh, I don't know.

It's like a Western glass. No, all I know is like if I see 310 to Yuma or any modern Western, the glass is always... Like, if you watch Deadwood, the glass is always like this weird warped. It's like, clearly they didn't have the process down back then. Oh, yeah. Well, we've learned a lot about things that you can put into glass to change the temperature that it can be worked at, which allows... Like, if you can get it liquidy at lower temperatures and it makes it easier to get bubbles out and stuff like that. So that's probably a lot of those advances have been made.

Glass has been around for a really, really long time, the thousands and thousands of years. Well, good luck with the rest of your show. It sounds like it'll be fascinating. That's all around science. Wherever get your podcast, everybody. Bobby, thanks for hanging with us. We'll see you next time. Bye now. Bye-bye. See you, Bobby. Okay, let's see what happens if I put this back. Oh, I know what I did. I know what I did. I did one thing sooner than the other thing. I'm supposed to remove him, or I'm supposed to set him back into the player and not separate it for video and then hang up on him. But instead, I hung up on him and then added it back to the player, which reset our call. Lame.

Shame. It's a shame. It's a real shame, but I've done here. All right. That is going to do it for today's show, although I do have an email. I'd like to end things with. We haven't really talked about this, this freaking submarine that had its thing. Oh, yeah.

We really haven't. Yeah. The whole world was talking about. about it, but TMS ignored it, kind of. We didn't talk about it. I didn't feel like there was much to say because it, I don't know, it's just a hideous thing all around and like, what else we need to add to the conversation. But we got this email about large oceans and bodies of water, which kind of related to a

conversation we had a little while ago about what scares, you know, like, can you be in the middle of the ocean? Is that freak anyone out and that sort of thing? Good morning, Superior and Bee, Ontario. Couldn't find another great lake that began with a bee. Makes sense. All right. I wish there was a Lake Bonterio.

Yeah, I'd go there. Scott says he doesn't like large bodies of water that seem endless. I really don't. I hate that. If you're on a boat in the middle of any of the Great Lakes, it feels like a freshwater ocean. Does this problem with oceans, sorry, with open oceans playing to why Scott likes water world so much. Also with the lack of ocean, why he loves Fury Road so much. Love the show, though.

Abby with an eye from Michigan. P.S., I don't like open. I don't know what I was that saying? I don't like open. Oh, she's. It's a stretch. It's a real stretch, but we'll take it. We'll allow it, yeah.

Okay, so the answer to your question, I think, is yes. I think part of what draws me to these wastelands, whether it's water wasteland or desolate wastelands, is this idea of how, I don't know, how, how, how utterly scary that is and I get to experience it on a big screen with cool sound. You know what I mean?

I don't have to be there. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's it. I do like stuff like that. When you went on your cruise and land was not visible for part of that time. Yeah.

Or was land always visible because you were kind of going up. No, there were times where you couldn't see anything. And also in the morning the fog would be so thick even if there was land, you couldn't see it.

I don't like that. So I would be up on deck with Kim looking at it doesn't bother her at all but i would see it kind of freaking out a little bit a little bit a little piece new would go uh where are we i don't even like this this is bad and then i would i think i was just prepared to like tell myself don't worry about it so i got i got pretty good at ignoring it um so her and i had the opposite problem i'm freaked out by the idea of where we are she gets motion to sick from the motion just straight up you know like an actual cause and effect. She has a reason to feel sick. I have no reason that it just kind of freaks me out.

And so if you start catastrophizing going, well, what would this bow broke down right here? What would we do? And then you start thinking about Titanic's and all that other crap. That's why you have lifeboats and now they have enough lifeboats for all the people who are on the boat. That's right. Now they do. They didn't skimp on it this time, turns out. Anyway, we can think, uh, we can thank actress Kathy Bates for always having enough lifeboats now. Now, the one thing that doesn't freak me out, maybe it's because it's so far removed, but endless space doesn't freak me out, like in space, not at all. But just, oh, really?

So just water, interesting. Water and land, maybe land where I'd have no water and no access to food and it's just a giant desert. Maybe that's a little bad, but huge bodies of water, even though those have limits, that freaks me out more than if I was in space, which virtually has zero limits. And I don't know why. Like George, yeah, like George Clooney floating out there? I don't think that's.

It's all that big a deal. I mean, I don't want to go for days and starve to death and run out of oxygen. Yeah. That sounds awful, right? But it doesn't inherently freak me out to be out there. Maybe it's because, A, I've never been there. Yeah. And B, you know.

There's no frame of context since you've never been to space. You've been around water. You've been on water. And you can experience that and what that feels like to not see land. But you've never been out in space to be able to say, well, my frame of references when I was in space going, oh, Jesus. I couldn't see any. And maybe part of it is that in land, or sorry, in water,

I know that there are bordering lands somewhere. It may be too far practically to get to. And that's what would freak me out is that I'm out here. I know there's land. I'm going to die anyway. In space, it would be like, eh, I don't know where the edge of anything is. It's just out here. We're just forever.

And it's no big deal. And I guess the earth is not really a border, though, is it? He's like me. He's just sort of hanging out in dead space. I don't know. It's just a different mindset. interesting yeah i don't know the the george cluny and gravity thing did freak me out it's like oh my god i can't even imagine like great i'm just you know floating untethered and it's just because i let go

of a thing to save this other person or or to do this other thing and and uh i'm just going to float out here until i run out of oxygen and die did he burn i can't remember if he burned into the atmosphere i can't remember either it's been a while since i've seen that because if you burn into the atmosphere what's worse floating forever until you just die or you fall into Earth's atmosphere and burn up in that? What would you rather have? I think I'd rather burn on reentry into Earth's atmosphere because it would get over quickly

as opposed to that feeling of just knowing that at some point my suit's going to run out of oxygen. Even if there's some gnarly pain for a hot second, I still think I'd rather have that. Listen, BioCal, the movie's been out for long enough that you can't shout spoiler. Spoilers. What? Yeah, come on now.

That was like 2012, man. It was a long time ago. Jeez. You pay attention to the Oscars? Maybe watch that movie. It's pretty damn good. That movie is good. I like that movie a lot.

Yeah. It's that other Mexican director. Did he very new, right? No, no, no. Oh, it's the other guy. It's the Mexican. Al-Madar. He's the Mexican director that works a lot with Del Toro.

Petro Al-Madovar. He did the third Harry Potter movie. I cannot think of this guy's name. did he also do children of men who am I thinking Alfonso Quaron that's it thank you I was confusing with the

the other brilliant director Denise Villanue well I was thinking of Denis and Anouv but I was also thinking of oh and now I can't remember his name because all I can think of is Quaron you're thinking of the one that did the bear on

Leonardo DiCaprio bear attack one they're also he's a Mexican director also I forgot Yes, maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Let's see here. That's called the... They're all buddies. The Revenant. The Revenant. The Revenant. Thank you. I don't know why I remembered that.

I never remember that. I'm glad you did because all I could think of was, yeah. I remember things when other people... I remember things when other people don't have to remember it. And it's easy because you're not struggling. It's the act of struggling to remember something that pushes it further out of the... Yeah, isn't that weird? I think we just proved it.

We did an example. Yeah, Birdman's the Revenant guy. It also did Birdman. Yeah, yeah. Inaritu. Those three Mexican directors, man, let's get them all together on one. Let's get one big. Del Toro writes it.

Carone directs it. The other guy does something with a bear. I don't know. Whatever. Get it all done. Make that happen. Yeah. Because, I mean, look, we got Spielberg and Lucas together, and we got Raiders the Lost Ark.

Yeah. And King of the Crystal Skull. For these team-ups. Oh, you're seeing that this week. Is it Thursday? You're seeing it Thursday night, yeah. Are you excited? Like, where are you at on your head there?

I'm, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm excited. I feel like, all right, it's probably, I'm going in with some low expectations. So I'm probably going to like it a lot more than, than I'm expecting, I'm going to like it. But I'm going in expecting that I'm going to be disappointed. So I'm hoping that I will, um, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, having my expectations low like that. I love Phoebe Wallerbridge. I mean, of course, we all love Harrison Ford.

Toby Jones, you know, there's so many great people in this thing. John Rize Davies is back as a song. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's... Antonio Banderas as Ronaldo. Exactly. Like, I'm looking forward to seeing it, and I'm open-minded expectations low. Let's bring it on, you know. And the little clip that Disney Plus has, they give you a little bit of a chase, maybe a minute,

two minutes of like a tuck-tuck kind of vehicle chase of it. They're not tuck-tucks, but size-wise. And that looks great. It looks like the kind of thing that you love in Indiana Jones movies. And as long as we don't get, I don't know, oh, you know, that was, that was, that was, I don't know what you mean. As long as we don't get anything like that, I'm going to be fine with us. I hope you, you know what?

First thing you got a report on. I trust him. When you get back, you got a report on whether we got like a Tarzan moment or not. Yeah, I'm sure. You don't even have to tell us what it is. We'll hear about a Friday morning during play date. Yeah, you don't even have to tell us what it was. Just warn us all that there's a Tarzan moment.

Yes, exactly. Mads Mickelson and forgot out he was in this. I love Mads Mikkelson. Oh, Matt's Mickleson. And I'm curious, is there going to be a, is there going to be a, is there going to be a stinger? There haven't been stingers in any of the other Indiana Jones films,

but this feels like it could be opportunity for a stinger, because didn't Logan had a stinger, right? Logan had a stinger. No. Did it? No. I can't remember. I remember if they did any of that on that Fox side. Did they ever do anything like? Right, because it was, well, they do on the X-Men movies.

That's true. Because that's where you got like, ooh, Mr. Sinister's coming. But guess what? He didn't. Yeah, we didn't get them. a lot of teases for for Mr. Sinister and you know we really don't ever get him

we get the tease yeah it's up the reviews are up a little higher than when they first had the first few it's up to 65 it's not bad yeah pretty sure that's better no no extras during or after the credits for Logan okay crystal skull

so if this is the 65 crystal skull was at 77 so it's got to climb some to beat Crystal Skull. I don't know how Crystal Skull is 77. How is that possible? What were the critics smoking that week? I don't get it. All right. Well, anyway,

let us know on Friday. Fast X, extra scene during the credits. Soprimari movie, extra scenes during and after the credits. Spider-Man cross-spiderous extra animation shown during the credits. Yeah. Well, just animation. They didn't do any story. No, of course not. Oppenheimer

currently no after-cred's information. No. I love Media Stinger. It is a great site. MediaStinger.com, especially the app. My favorite tweet of the week was this, so apparently in Malibu,

suddenly a big giant pink Barbie house appeared out of nowhere. They unveiled it. And somebody wrote, because it opens the same weekend as Oppenheimer. And they said, The producers of Oppenheimer have an opera. Oppenheimer have an opportunity to do the funniest thing in the history of films if they wanted to blow that thing up as a as a counter, you know?

If you're going to have the Malibu House, have Oppenheimer blow it up with a small nuke. A little mushroom cloud. Yeah. That's what you should do. All right. That's it for us. Thank you all for listening.

We're going to get out of here. Don't forget we need your help at patreon.com slash TMS. Brian mentioned a playday. We'll be doing that on Friday. So watch for that. We saw a plenty of... Saturday Friday because I'm going to Denver's equivalent of Comic Con

which is called Fan Expo now. Ours is also fan... Well, just X, I guess. Yeah, just FanX, which... It's boring. I think it's probably same company. It feels boring, doesn't it? It does.

Fanx. Thanks. Thanks a lot. Thanks, San Diego. Jerks. Anyway, but that'll be fun. So, tune in for that. Regular shows the rest of the week

and other cool stuff happening that we'll talk about tomorrow. All right, that's it. Let's get out of here. Do you have a song to play here at the end of the show? I have a song, Scott, and I want to preface this by saying the title does, the title of the song does contain a controversial word that we don't all like, you don't all like saying the word rape. But bear with me, trust me, this is great. Kai from Finland wrote in and said on TMS 2454, Brian and Scott discussed the Evolution Control Committee, which reminded me that during the early 2000,

I was really into them, especially one ECC song that I kept in constant rotation, and it was called Rocked by Rape. Quote from Wikipedia, the ECC wrote Rocked by Rape, consisting of samples of Dan Rather's deadpan delivery describing various atrocities over looped riffs from ACDC's back in black. Oh, wow. This work brought legal threats against the ECC by CBS, but by 2003, CBS appeared to have dropped the issue. Rock by Rape was nationally broadcast on NPRs All Things Considered in 2000 And it was even played at a roast for Dan Rather Which was later broadcast on C-SPAN

The song still seems very hard to find On legit streaming services But the covermaster shouldn't have any trouble I don't have a special date or special occasion Other than nostalgic reasons for my request Thanks again for reminding me of the ECC Kai from Finland Nice, never heard of this but I'm curious

Yes, this is great I mean, it is just listening to all these clips of Dan Rather saying, you know, horrible fire, earthquake, da, just one thing right after another. Anyway,

this is great. All right, so this is the Evolution Control Committee from their album, Plagiarism Nation, volume 2.0, featuring the lovely voice of Dan Rather and a song called Rocked by Rape. This is the CBS Evening News

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