The Morning Stream - TMS 2487: Very Muppety

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

Read by a Frickin' Laser. Clare Island, naked yelling mandatory. A Ride with Brian's Pianst. Pits N Bumps N Pits N Bumps. Read it from the other siiiiide. Cersei Helpy Guy. They all live in a hole! Where'd the accent come from?! What's the day before the Fourth? Infinity War vs Endgame, shut up so I can eat. Sometimes Books and TV Shows Are Different - Deal With It. The Mediocre Miss Maisel. TikTok In The Shower With Your Therapist. All Accents Should be the Same! Reclaim The Clay With Amy. Final Destinations with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Coming up on TMS, read by a freaking laser. Claire Island. Naked yelling, mandatory. A ride with Brian's pianist. Pits and bumps and pits and bumps. Read it from the other side. Sir C. Helpy guy. They all live in a hole.

Where's the accent come from? What's the day before the fourth? Infinity War versus Endgame. Shut up so I can eat. Sometimes books and TV shows are different. Deal with it. The mediocre Miss Maisel. Tick-Tick-Tock in the shower with your thoughts.

all accents should be the same reclaim the clay with amy final destinations with wendy and more on this episode of the morning stream mommy will you read to me not now junior can't you see don't have time i'm cleaning floors won't you please go play outdoors no knobs or gadgets in sight the morning stream Don't eat that. It's Pluto. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to TMS. It's the morning stream for June 29th, 2023. I'm Scott Johnson. That's Brian. Hi, Brian. Well, hi. Hi, there, Scott. Hi. Hello. How is your day? How's things? How's stuff where you are? You know, good, good. Hanging in there. A little lifting yesterday. No, no real exciting

people in the lift I had a great conversation with well there's a pianist who works at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. Basically they have this lobby area, this atrium and there's just someone

always in there playing beautiful classical music and I drove that guy to work and we talked to music the entire time. He was super nice. Wow. No weird drives. Seems like a nice drive. like an enlightening one.

Quite pleasant, yes. That's nice. Did you have to play? Did he demand you play classical music in the car or anything like that? No, no. All right. No, I've been getting into Arlo Parks lately, a singer named Arlo Parks that has this kind of really light, airy voice over kind of a dream pop kind of arrangement, and it works really

really well for lift non non intrusive non like you can have it on kind of light and it's like oh there's just some nice music playing kind of thing and uh yeah this guy's really digging arlo parks his uh his real name is impossible to pronounce uh okay and not here i'll i'll put this in discord and you tell me how you'd say it because i don't want to get this wrong there you go look at i think this i think arlo parks is a she oh is it a she yeah Oh, this photo is very disarming. It didn't look like a dude to me. Anai Oluotain Estelle Maniho, Marino.

Pretty good. I don't know. I know the first one is Anai because Adian N. Oh, there it is. Her debut album, Collapsed in Sunbeams. Oh, I'd like to check this out. These sounds like a nice new artist to check out here. Yeah, yeah, Harlow Parks.

She was nominated for the Brit Award for Best New Artist. She's great. That sounds awesome. Yeah. I'll check her out. Yeah, that is a hell of a name. Yeah, that's, I would change it. No guess, no guess on names two and four, but one and three I feel pretty confident about.

Yeah, I would, I think Arlo Parks is the way to go. I think Arlo Parks is great. It's a good, it's a good choice. I have no idea, by the way, how she settled on Arlo Parks. I don't either. I don't either. There's probably some Wikipedia or something, but we're lazy and we're not looking it up. All right, everybody?

Nope, no, somebody else can look that up for us, because we're just, I don't know. We're just moving on. Uh, here's what some of you do, though. Sometimes you guys call in and you freak me out. And I'd like to share something that freaked me out. Brian, I get this call. It came to the 801-147-1-0-462 number. Let's hear it.

And this is weird. So here it is. Hey, Scott, Brian. Oops, that's not it. That's not weird. Hold on. It's this one right here. All right.

Now, probably a butt dial, right? Probably a butt dial, but. Sounds like it. Sounds like their butt dial while they're sitting on a washing machine. no judgment yeah there's a rhythm to it and i can't quite make out what but um i'm hearing like a like a quarter that was left in the pocket of one of the jeans too it went on by though so the reason i'm i'm sure it was a uh butt dial is it went on for like two and a half minutes it was pretty long oh yeah david lidge used that for the soundtrack of that entire episode of twin peaks

the the uh the new the new season of twin peaks yeah you know everybody you know that episode if you've seeing it. That's the sound of that entire episode. Yeah, I don't, I don't even know what that is. So now I need to finally watch that new see. Was that worth doing the new one? It was good, right? You liked it? It was worth seeing it. I liked it. I think Kyle McLaughlin is

just an underappreciated genius. I mean, we talked about Desperate Housewives yesterday when we were talking about Ava Longoria. But freaking Kyle McLaughlin and his whole blue velvet weirdness, his his original Twin Peaks weirdness.

I mean, that's your dude for this. And he was so good in that weird Twin Peaks thing. You saw Fire Walk with me, right? Yeah, a long time ago, but yeah. I saw that when it came out. And I like, it's so weird. My relationship with that show and its spin-out movie is a weird one because I think I liked it when I watched it, but I never remember shit about it. Yeah.

I don't know why that. It derives on making you uncomfortable and the new season feels like it just takes that to new heights. Interesting. Was Lynch involved through the whole thing or was there some deal already left or I came out with the thing? Oh no. He was involved through the whole thing as far as I know. That's good.

I thought there was some fight or something. I don't remember what the deal was. But he, Kyle McLaughlin, one of those guys, one of those guys I like him. as he gets older. He's aging like a fine wine, that guy. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Oh, yeah, Dune, speaking of Lynch, the original Dune with Kyle, and he was

on Agents of Shield. Thank you, Hobbs Dog, for reminding about those two things. Spice must flow. A spice must flow. My eyes are blue, look, Sean Young. We talked a little about laser disc yesterday, but... We did. You wanted more, Brian. What did you find out? I wanted to understand

how something that I perceived as optical could still be analog, right? Because it's getting read by a frickin laser. Thank you, Dr. Evil. So how on earth could it still possibly be analog? And probably the best way to explain it is it's like a record, baby, round right, right? It's like a record. So if you look at a CD, if you get your little microscope out and you look really close

to a CD you're going to see pits and valleys or bumps and valleys pits and bumps I guess is what they call it and they're all going to be the same depth but different lengths

and different things like that and those are your kind of your ones and zeros I'm really really kind of boiling this down sure with a laser disc you've still got those

pits and bumps but they also are different heights and they go different directions. And so it's closer to like the grooves on a record that the needle comes in contact with than it is a CD or DVD with the little bits and bumps. And I see what you mean by the, it almost seems to go against the grain depending on which ring you're on. Like there's a one, these seem to be facing one way.

I'm showing the chat a big picture of it. Oh, cool. You got like a microscope laser disc picture. Yeah, it's not super close up, but it's enough to, like, like, you know, I don't know, here, I'll put this in here. It's like, it shows you how this like uneven grooves, which I don't, I don't ever associate that with like a record or a CD obviously. CDs are like clear, well, not clear, but they're like that rainbow smooth look and you can't

really see where your data is. But in this laser disc example, you can totally see how stuff's carved out. Yeah, there might be, there's like that more dense looking section. where there might be, I don't know, a lot of quick changes, quick video changes or something, maybe? I don't know. That's a really good question.

Like, you might be looking there at a, yeah, quick frame rate kind of thing. It'd be interesting if you, like, watched a movie that had a very specific action. Let's say it's French connections, got that car chase. And it's got a lot of hard cuts and really interesting stuff.

If I looked at that laser disc, would I see a weird part? That section of it, be yeah that's really fascinating to me that that and the parts where it's a little more static shots of two people talking kind of thing might be more of the the you know the the darker areas on that on that desk yeah it's interesting the guy who invented it he doesn't get a lot of credit and i forgot his name so i'm not going to get paul gates or something like that um uh like he you know came in at a time when it was beta max and vhs fighting and said here's a third format and it doesn't degrade like VHS and Betamax tapes. And, you know, the only problem is that every 30 minutes, you've got to get up and flip it over. If you're watching a two-and-a-half-hour movie,

that means you're doing it like four times. The one big downside, too, I guess, was that it didn't record anything. So you couldn't record TV like you could with VHS or beta. I'm sure that from a practical standpoint, people were willing to lose some of the fidelity to gain that functionality, probably. The audio on there is digital,

but the video is analog. There was a place right by where I lived called Laser Land. God, was it called Laser Land? Something that dumb. It might have been called Laser Land. And all they sold were, what's that? Sounds like Laser Tag or something,

the place you go. It does, yeah. All they sold were laser display. and Laserdiscs. And so I got my Laserdisc player there. I befriended a clerk there named Angel. She and I became friends. We went on one date, decided we weren't romantically interested in each other. And they just continued to be friends. She was at our wedding. And Tina's in my wedding was friends with us for quite a while afterwards. And then just kind of drifted off as some friends do. Sure. Sometimes you just don't hear from them, you know? You don't know.

Yeah. Hobbs, Doug, he's talking about the lot of the players had auto flip. This is fascinating, right? Because you've got this giant record size disc and you, you know, basically you could eliminate, again, if you're watching a two and a half hour movie and you have to flip the disc four times, you have to get up, right, pull the disc out, turn it over. but these things had auto-flip, and there's no room to actually flip the disc mechanically inside. So what they would do is they'd have the laser on like a little hinge, and it would get to the end of the end of one side, and then it would back to the edge and go to the top and then do the other edge. Read it from the other side, yeah. I always thought it would be cool if they'd figure out a way to take that giant disc and flip it, but obviously they went out the better way. It would have to be like the box would have to be the same height as it is wide and deep.

Yep. Looks like 64 minutes per side is all you got on the high capacity. The low capacity was 36 minutes. So it, no matter what movie you had. The Star Wars, the Star Wars ones I have, and I think somebody else mentioned that they have it. Yeah, Hobbs Dog also has this, the Star Wars special, or a pre-special edition trilogy. It's all in that 30-something minutes per side format. And so. Do you have a player or just the, I know you have some disc? I have a player as well, yeah. But it's not an auto flip. It's a pioneer play. and do I hold on to it for any other reason than it's just nostalgia because it's not doesn't have an HDMI out I've got to use component cables out it's kind of cool though because it's just like we said dead format so now you got a thing that you know you can always look at and go hey dead format check it out yeah that's great oh let me go dust to my dead format collection yeah that's a lot of work to dust my dead format collection I don't think that's any I don't think that's any

we're weirder than people that hang on to their game consoles for a long time or anything. I think it's fine. It's true. I mean, I do have, I've got some pretty cool special editions. I've got the Nightmare Before Christmas

special edition laser disc, which has, I think Frankenweeney is a bonus feature on there, the original animation that Burton did, which I think is also on the Blu-ray of Nightmare Before Christmas, which we also own. Yeah.

I mean, there's, you know, there's nothing on there that I probably can't get elsewhere really i think there is even somebody even brought up uh in the discord that there is a a non-special edition DVD um set of star wars oh oh yeah there's a i have that somewhere tucked away that that does exist it was they're hard to get though you have to like ebam and stuff you can't get them any other way um actually i think a fan sent it to me anyway that what i was going to say was um uh nightmare before christmas what is an interesting pivot point for all of these formats because it seemed like that was obviously it was on vhs you could get it on laser disc you could get it on

DVD when DVDs happened and it was my first no second DVD i got i got fifth element in that but it seems like everybody i know who who dabbled in that time of like new formats and changeovers and stuff it was always nightmare before christmas for whatever reason that was the movie yeah That's a good one. I should get that out and just see because I think there's a whole art book in there. And because it's record-sized, I mean, it's an art book the size of an LP that's got, you know, like it's a thick box. What I want is, what I want is that 360 exclusive HD DVD drive that it was competing with Blu-ray. So you could buy this thing, it plugged into your Xbox 360, and it was a HD DVD.

Exactly. and I somewhere I have the I have the old Batman begins somewhere we talked about this with Donaway the other day but I don't I don't have a player and I'll bet those are really rare I mean the rarest thing is that PlayStation prototype Super Nintendo thing they made that never happened yes and there as far as anyone knows there's only one prototype in circulation that thing sold at auction for like half a million dollars is crazy

yeah I would love that dude it's a you know it's a thing like that too that if you have something that is rare like that and you're like, you know, I'm going to sell this someday, unless you see, unless you see something on the horizon, like, for example, I'm waiting until Wolverine is added to the MCU proper before I start looking around to maybe sell my first appearance issue, you know, Incredible Hulk first appearance. Oh, I see. Selling it right now, it's like, oh, he's popular, a little bit. But it would have been the right time during, you know, the popularity of the Logan movie or, you know, during the original X-Men films, the good ones anyway.

Right. They were in there somewhere. But, you know, I've got the Little Shop of Hars. So Frank Oz directed that Little Shop of Hars movie. And if I remember correctly, am I right? He directed it, right? I don't know. Was that Frank Oz?

They originally released the DVD with the original ending of Little Shop of Hars as a bonus thing. And it's, you know, the plan. Frank Oz, you are correct, Frank Oz, by the way. It's Audrey II completely destroying the city, becoming like a giant King Kong-sized thing and eating the city and killing Rick Morannis and Ellen Green and everybody. Oh, my Lord. the studio released the DVD without his knowledge. And when he found out, he says, oh, no, no, no, I don't want that out there. Pull it. Well, I've got a copy of that DVD.

And I'm thinking, is that ever going to, that is just going to go down in price. And I'm sure, like, now that that clip is probably available on YouTube, I think, I don't know. Is it worth, you know, is it worth me trying to just sell it, get rid of it now, maybe get some money for it or hang on to it in the hopes that something makes it more valuable in the future. I wonder if that movie ever gets a proper remake. That would be the time to do it, right? Yeah, yeah.

John Candy was in that? I don't remember that. Yeah. He was a radio station, uh, no, was he a radio station? Was he the disc jockey that interviews, uh, Rick Moranis? His name sure sounds like a wink, Winkinson. Yes. Or Wilkinson?

Yeah. That sounds like a radio game. Have you seen that, by the way? I don't know that I've ever seen that. I know I've seen the original because I've seen the black and white one that I know of. But I don't think I've seen the 86 one ever. I know about all these little bits and pieces of it, but I don't know shit about that. Yeah.

Is that sackable? I feel like it is sackable. It's comedy, but I feel like it's a sackable. I think it's a sackable deal. Let's do it. It's got Christopher Guest. It's got, it's got two. Bill Murray's in there, I guess, for a hot second.

Steve Martin. I mean, it's, you know, it's got great collection of actors and actresses in this thing. Frank Oz's first director deal? Might have been. Yeah, I am not seeing the recalled version of

Yeah, his first theatrical film, by the way. No, I'm sorry. He directed Muppets Take Manhattan and his next one was Little Shop of Horrors. Oh, and Dark Crystal. So, Dark Crystal, Muppets Take Manhattan. Very Muppety, though, right? You can't avoid the Muppetys, working with Jim Henson directly.

But his first, like, breakout was a little shop of horrors. That's cool. And then Dirty Rotten Scoundrels is only two years later? That's crazy. Oh, I love that movie. That's good. That's an underappreciated... I agree.

It's one of the funniest movies I saw in the 80s. It was great. Yeah. That's wrong with that movie. All right. Well, there you go. Deep dive on your laser case. Real quick note about a Jersey Mikes.

I stopped into the other day with Kim. We went there at lunch on our way back from dropping that truck back off. And we just thought, hey, we'll hop in here and grab something. And they're always great, very fast, very nice people. And you do your thing and you get your food and you go sit down. The entire time we were there, I heard two employees in the back room arguing loudly about which was better, Infinity War or Endgame. That's so hard to do. like that's a weird thing to argue about like oh which which kill bill is better volume one or volume

well even that is those are those feel like two separate movies as opposed to infinity war and end game yeah end game and infinity war is all all it is constrained by is a time an artificial time limit we give movies otherwise that thing runs together perfectly right right so these guys were i tried to record it it wasn't it didn't work because the 80s music they were playing in the dining area was so loud that you couldn't at least the mic couldn't make out this argument but we could hear it over the music. Oh, you tried to record. Yeah, I tried to tape it and so

I could play it on the show because you know everything's content but tape. But I don't know how it ended by the time we left, they were still back there yelling I heard something about Thanos, this and that. Some guy was freaking out about um, oh uh, uh, vision's eye or his forehead

gym, uh, wisdom, the wisdom jam or what, not wisdom. What is it? What's the gym he had in his head? the vision had the mind the mind gem they were arguing about that for some reason they're like the mind gem wouldn't have no the mind gem doesn't matter if they're just going off back there and their managers out front just quietly wiping stuff down like she's used to it like nothing's going on back there of note you know yeah right oh I love it this is a good time let's get Amy in here and let's read a book okay cool cool I love a book I love a good book I like a good book as well Well, and I also like a good visit with Amy, so we're going to do that right now with this. One of the things that I enjoy also is reading. We also enjoy also reading. Hey, it's Amy.

She's here, and we love having her hair. Hello, Redfragel. What are you doing? Well, hello. I also enjoy also reading. Well, good, because that makes you a perfect guest to tell us more about things we should be reading. Also, here's the good news. Today, I assume there's a coverville today, right, Brian?

You're doing coverville today? Oh, there is a coverville, yeah. Today's celebrating the birthdays or what would have been the birthday of George Michael from WAM and Colin Hay from Men at Work, who is alive and does have a birthday and is very cool. Still looking is. 60 and 70 years old, respectively. Oh, my goodness. May he have a veggie bite sandwich while we. That's right.

But here's the whole point. Somewhere between TMS and that. yes we'll be some pot Amy here's going to make pot I'm sorry throw pottery yes throw pottery oh I have that written down wrong so go to YouTube at the at red

fraggle and watch her do it are you doing it live I guess you're doing it live right yeah yeah I'm going to do a stream all right I'm going to try to check that out as well and see what it means

there will also be a new video coming in the next few days or so I've been you know I've been doing kind of these time lapse you know, in-process videos of what stuff I'm creating. Because if I were to just do those in real time, oh my gosh, it would, they would, the videos would be way too long. It's ridiculous.

But yeah. So I've been working on a couple of pieces. I had so, the reason I haven't thrown in a little bit is because I had so many pieces sitting on my shelf that were just unfinished. I was like, we, yay, yay. I'm doing lots of practicing and that I just hadn't finished anything. So I was like, okay, I need to either like get rid of these and reclaim the clay or finish them. So I've been.

Oh, gotcha. So they weren't even fired. They're just still in a format that you could break them down and reuse the clay. Well, some of them, yeah. Some of them had been what's called BISC fired. So they'd been low temperature fired. And, you know, those, you can't really, you're not going to reclass. claim that clay. But yeah, some of them also were just greenware just sitting there.

They're bone dry, but they haven't been fired or decorated or anything. So yeah, I need to get on that. You made me slightly hungry with the word bisque. So good job on that. Like a lobster bisque. Yeah, that sounds so good. Bisk. Sounds fantastic right now. Anyway, go check it out. You guys should be doing that at some point over there at Redfern. Fraggle on YouTube. I'm looking at her speed, speed pottery right now. Speed run through pottery. You're right about the time lapse. It's good for stuff like this.

You know, speed drawing, speed sculpting. You see this all the time because nobody can, you know, sit there for the six hours or whatever it takes to do this stuff. Right. Yeah. And that, man, that jar, that was a process. It took a long time. But I was pretty happy with how it, how it came out. Yeah. Well, go sub sub up, you guys and watch for the live stream. Today, though, we're talking about a book, and you brought a clip.

Anything you want to say about that before we hit play? No, let's go. Let's just hit play, eh? All right, here it goes. Enjoy. The children were playing while Holston climbed to his death. He could hear them squealing as only happy children do. While they thundered about frantically above, Holston took his time, each step methodical and ponderous,

as he wound his way around and around the spiral staircase, old boots ringing out on metal treads. olston could feel the vibrations in the railing which was worn down to the gleaming metal that always amazed him how centuries of bare palms and shuffling feet could wear down solid steel one molecule at a time he supposed each life might wear away a single layer even as the silo wore away that life olston lifted an old boot to an old step he lost himself in what the untold years had done the ablation of molecules and lives layers and layers ground to find dust. And he thought not for the first time that neither life nor staircase had been meant for such an existence.

Oh, I know Sheriff Holston all right. I love that you're reading this. I love these books. They're some of my favorite books ever in the history of ever. So are you talking about the whole silo series or just wool or where you're at? What are you doing?

Right now, I am actually, it's funny. I've got about two hours left on wool. And yeah, I started reading these when we started watching the series, you know, we had run out of Ted Lassow. And so I said, okay, well, what else is there to watch now? And so we went from Ted Lassow to Silo, which is quite a whiplash of emotions. But yeah, so I was, I was immediately sucked in. And of course, like, they haven't even dropped the last episode. yet it comes out tomorrow and so I said nope too bad I'm not waiting I'm picking up the book I don't care yeah I don't even you did like I did I've read the thing I think maybe now four total times

three times prior but I picked it up again when the show launched and started reading again because I love it so much and there are some big differences um that are well the whole silo series is sort of jammed into the show which is not a problem it's just the way you do TV uh wool wool is a very self-contained thing that kind of happens in the first couple of episodes of the show. It's not really a spoiler, but that book is sort of contained therein. And then they have some sort of flashback stuff. But that first book took me such a back. It was like, what did I just read?

This is amazing. And you're not even at the end yet, which is, you know, you still have a really cool place to go. I'm jealous, actually, you getting to read it for the first time and experience it for the first time. But man, those books are good. that Hugh Howie's an awesome dude, makes amazing books. I'm so happy for him. And he's just one of these guys that made a small self-published freaking Amazon book back in the day. Right.

Yeah. And the people, like, loved it so much, they demanded more. And so then he wrote like five more parts to it. Yep. And his dust series is also extremely good. The book Sand is incredible. He may notice the trend with the way he titles his books. But they're all these amazing dystopic sort of, you know, science fiction takes.

and they're just so utterly fantastic. So that show, the best news is that show has done an incredible job of adapting it. Like they didn't just half-ass this. It doesn't feel like, I don't know. I don't know what to compare it to. Like the foundation was really disappointing for me compared to the source material. But this is very good. Maybe Sarah Ferguson is like 80% of that because she's so great and everything she's in.

But cannot recommend that series enough. It's so, so good. Both the books end of the show. She is really good. The one thing in the series, I have to say, that is distracting me just a little bit, is that she has a little bit of an accent. And within the context of the story, this is not a spoiler, because you get introduced to this in the first two minutes of the show. It's this dystopic future where for at least a couple hundred years, people have been living in underground silos, right? right why would anyone have an accent that is different than anyone else's right right like no one would i think they

and it's funny because some people have straight up accents in there some people have um well actually accents can be a product of your parental upbringing that's true but if that's the case different than her father yeah yeah like but what's funny is they're all a good day junior who is like playing her father i don't know what that guy's name is. Oh, you know him, though. He's like, I'm looking at, like, old, you know, he's Game of Thrones guy. You know him from Game of Thrones. He's the guy that gets the gray thing later on, the Calisi helper guy, the one that falls in

love with her. What's his name? Oh, not Davos. Not Davos. The other one, the older guy who's, yes, right. He ends up getting the scale. Yes, right. Right.

Like her protector the whole time. And what's her, what's his damn name? That guy. Yes. Shoot. And he doesn't, he does an American accent. And it throws me. hard because he's also, he's English, she's Swedish and she's trying to do an okay accent.

I mean, she's not very good at it, but whatever. Lord Friendzone is the best name. Lord Friendzone, that's right. So a couple of people in the chat are pointing out that like there are, there are different sections of the silo and the down deep is different. He, you know, her dad actually lives in the mids. Yes, that's true. But nobody else in the down deep has her accent either. No.

In fact, they have different accents. like the guy in charge of the guy played by common who's not in charge of but one of the judicials and the upper floors uh this is a whole thing you have to watch it to get it but but commons got this very kind of street Brooklyn thing going on and but no one else around him does so I think they're just doing it kind of it's a little like Chernobyl they're just like everybody just talked the way they're just letting everybody talk how they talk and it's fine it's not really that distracting it was just a little funny to me. It was like, oh, okay. Yeah. That's, that's kind of funny. They've added an aspect

of this show that they don't do in any of the books. And I won't tell you what it is because you're not done with the book yet. But those who have read and are also watching will probably notice that there's something going on in the show that they don't do in the book. And I was a little concerned about it when they first brought it up. I went, oh, we're going to really have this plot point. This feels contrived. But it totally works. It's actually a very good ad. It feels like something that should have been in the book. And I usually don't go that direction. It's like when you make something up for TV, I'm usually annoyed. But what they put in, what they made up in this case actually enhances the story and takes it further. It's really freaking fantastic stuff.

I'd love it. I think I probably know what you're talking about because I think I'm, I'm far enough into the book, you know, portion of things where I think I know, like I found it hilarious. This is also not really that much of a spoiler because it's just. the thing. I found it hilarious that like a Pez dispenser is the thing that like is throwing everybody like yeah in the show everybody's like freaking out about

why people have this Pez dispenser because they don't know what it is and you're not allowed to have relics right you know and so they think it's like this super important thing of the past and it's a freaking Pez dispenser with a rubber ducky on the top of it

it's hilarious. Yeah think about like you know they do it in Mad Max a lot But like even like Eli, Book of Eli, he has that iPod with his playlist on it. It's considered this like rare thing

from the before times. It's kind of like that. There are things they call relics. Some relics you can have. Like if you have an old watch or something. Mad Max, the Mel Gibson Mad Max has something like that. Like the little whistle thing

that he really likes that he ends up given to the feral kid. Yeah, or even his dogs, the dinky dog food cans are from a, you know, era before. Right.

So it's like, It's like that except they register all relics if they find them. Some relics you can have, but you have to go through a big rigmaral to even retain it. But most relics are like highly illegal. And the minute they find out you have one, you're in huge trouble. Or if you find one, you have to report it right away. And this Pez dispenser is like at the center of all this. And if you think about it, like if you're in the, you're in this thing for 200 years,

you don't know what the before times were at all. You wouldn't even know what, you wouldn't even know what Pez is or that that dispenses is something that isn't there or that they're right like you wouldn't know what to make of it and i i really like that stuff but it's also a little goofy right it's like it's a pez dispenser oh yeah no i find it hilarious because it makes me think about what kind of crap are we going to leave behind that people 300 years from now will speculate about what it was if there's not if if somehow you know there's no records left behind or maybe you know if aliens come down and are like, you know, what, what are these humans up to?

What was this used for, you know? Yeah, fidget spinners is a great example. What the heck? Yeah, they're going to like presume that this was some sort of cog in a machine or it's somehow, you know, what's very important mechanism for something and it's just a fidget spinner. Yeah, I could see that. It would be, it'd have to be like a scenario where the world's kind of wiped out, right? Which is the idea in wool anyway.

or in the silo series that the world was somehow destroyed and there was you know this this thing was set up to save a bunch of people if you keep reading and you get to his short stories he's done recently that are like prequel content all this fascinating it'll fill in some fascinating holes but read it in the order he put it all out i wouldn't go okay i wouldn't jump to these prequels first because they're they presume you've already read all this so they they spoil a lot but also they feel it fill in a lot of gaps and those also go places. It's a really fantastic read. I highly recommend it, especially if you're enjoying the show, but even if you're not, if any of this sort of dystopic sci-fi sort of stuff intrigues you at all and just the human element of all of that, it's fantastic. It's so good. I'm so glad you brought this one today. Yeah, it's really good. For a long time, but I didn't really like dystopic things because, oh, it's kind of depressing because it almost feels like, oh, kind of inevitable, isn't it?

Like, I don't want to think about where we're going. But it raises a lot of really good questions about who we are and who we want to be, you know, and how you justify your behaviors or, you know, what your value system is, that kind of thing. It's all really, really interesting. And also, Tim Robbins is a really good cast for, Oh, he's great in it. Yes. Oh, my gosh. I didn't know how I was going to feel about that either. I thought I'd be a little too Andy Dufrein for my taste, but he's perfect. He's perfect in it. And he's gone. We've seen some shit with him. It's nobody's wasted. If anything, the show surprises me about the people they'll let go away and never come back to the show because they're huge names and like big deals. Like that first episode, first and second episode is just full of, I forgot her name, Parks and Rick and the office. Uh, she's the daughter of a famous musician.

Oh, she's a Jones, Rashida Jones. Rashida Jones is so good in those first couple episodes. Oh, cool. And then you just don't get her later. It's not a spoiler. She just don't get her later. So I'm so looking forward to watching this. This is, uh, we, we finally bagged on Mrs. Maisel.

We're like, it's rare that we get a few episodes from the end of something that's, that's got a finite end and say, I just can't do it anymore. So we had a, there was an episode, I think six or seven episodes. the final season that actually resolved a lot of things to the point where we're satisfied and we said you know what I think we're happy here I think this is really good and so now we're moving over to Black Mirror

and then probably silo right after that yeah like I say the last I think the last episode at least I don't know if they're going to do multiple seasons or not but the last episode that they have done and is in the can is coming out tomorrow so you could easily

binge it in a weekend. And I say this because we did. And then we were like, oh, crap. The last episode's not out. We've done that ourselves. Where we've done, yeah, where we've like, like we've said, all right, everything's out from this show that we wanted to watch. And we binge all the way through.

And it's like, oh, no, we've got two episodes left that we have to wait for. Yeah, it's, yeah, the whole thing ends tomorrow. There does have a season two. They got approved for two seasons, at least. So I know we're getting that. Kim watch it with you, Scott? Yeah, she loves it. She loves it.

Cool. Really likes it. I think it's very, it's a, it's a story. I think Tina and really anybody would like, if you just like good human stories, it's not, this isn't one about weird aliens and strange contraptions or whatever. It's just like, how do humans deal in a situation like this? And it's, it's great. She'll like it.

Yeah. I will say there is an episode in the book, this isn't really, I mean, they, they go into this part of the story. I'm being very vague and so I'm stumbling over my words a little bit. But there's a whole episode where the suspense is really a big deal and as an

engineer, I'm going, why didn't they just do this? And it would have been so much simpler. So any engineers out there, you'll know when you get to that episode, just park your little engineer brain and go with the suspense and enjoy it because

if you try and figure out why they didn't just do it a simpler way, you'll drive yourself a little bit crazy. So just, you know, just go with the, just go with the suspense that the director put in there and enjoy it. That's what I say. The entire. Merrick is agreeing with me and that, yep, it knows exactly what I'm talking about. So, yeah. I don't you mean to.

It's, it's definitely a park your brain moment. But real quick, the series, the entire series is called the Silo series in book form, which includes wool, shift, dust, and the silo stories. The silo stories of the prequels I was mentioning. They all are now in a big omnibus sort of collection. And the Kindle edition is often on sale. I want to say that whole thing was maybe three bucks not long ago. Currently, it's 25 for that.

It's still worth it. But absolutely, if you're looking to just read it and not get the audio versions, that's the combination to get it. Just get them all at once. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. And now, you know, I'm excited that I brought it today so I could talk about it. I know I have to be vague and not have spoilers, but I keep saying to Chuck, I was like, okay, I assume that you don't want me to talk about stuff that's different in the book before you watch the end of the show, right? He's like, yes, don't say anything. And he says, in fact, how long is the audio book. We're going out of town this weekend. He's like, okay, maybe I can listen to the audio book while we're driving. I was like, okay, I'll listen to it again. That's fine. Yeah. And don't look for these. There's a couple of books called Silo, colon, a post-apocalyptic

survival thriller. You know, extinction. These aren't it. Those are something else. And those are free. Let me grab by somebody else trying to capitalize on the popularity. The author's name is Hugh Howie. And the first book in the series, like Scott said, is called wool and it's like W-O-O-L and it's all caps and that is a thing. Yep, Apple TV Plus is the series so make sure you check that out as well. Amy, this is a great recommendation. Thanks for bringing this to us. Cool, cool. Watch her channel. That's Red Fraggle on YouTube. It's coming up sometime between now and Coverville and she'll be live over there. Yeah, come see me after if there's Adventure Club or whatever or after TMS sometime I'll be playing with Clay. Claire, you will definitely

want to be there if you're here. Oh, are you doing an Irish thing? Oh, oh, oh, geez. I'm going to be doing, so I have a piece that is, you know, it's a nice little cylinder and I think it will make a good mug. And I need to pull a handle for it. If you've ever seen a potter pull a handle, it's a mighty, dirty looking process.

Your dog's interested in it. I'll say that. Yeah, my dog's. It just wants to be in my lap all the time now. Nothing wrong with that. Hi. I bow regard. All right.

Y'all have a good day. You too. Bye now. That dog really did want to hang out. Please let me stay human. Human. Human. We're going to do one quick story in the news.

So let's do that. I don't watch the news. Today's news is brought to you by. Yeah, I told you a little bit about this a minute ago. But let's get deeper into it. Colin Hay from Minute. work. George Michael would have had a birthday today. They would have been 60

and 70. George Michael would have been 60. Colin Hay is 70. And both of them featured on today's coverville. And listen, it's exactly what you want. You've got your down under. You've got your overkill. You've got your Be Good Johnny and you've got an excellent cover

by Colin Hay from his brand new cover album. It came out a couple of years ago. And all the songs you want to hear from George Michael covered by folks like Scary Pockets, Serpent with Feet, Natalie Don, and then a great cover by George Michael of one of his 80s contemporaries, Terrence Trent Darby. All of this coming up, 1 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.tv.tv slash Coverville. Very nice. Man, I always forget how young George Michael was when he died.

He really was, yes, exactly. Oh, we got a question. We'll answer that at the end of today's show, Jeannie. I'll put it in our end of show notes. Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Monday, what's Monday? Tuesday's fourth. The third. Yeah. Right. Fourth is definitely, definitely no show on the fourth. Yeah, no fourth show. I think the third's fine, though. What's usually on the third? A lot of companies are giving their employees the day off on the third, but I don't see any reason. I mean, you know, it's a day where we can have a bunch of people in the live chat room who don't always get to be live in the chat. Yeah, well, we'll figure it out. Brian and I'll talk to them. I'll let you guys know. Okay.

Let's do this story here. If you move to these beautiful islands, I'm about to describe to you in Ireland. Yes, I've seen these. You'll pay, they will pay you, not you pay them. They will pay you, Brian, $92,000 to move there. Where do I sign up? Well, how's the Wi-Fi? That's probably one big problem.

Where's the nearest Freddy's? Well, all these are questions I do. These are important questions. So here's how the article goes. Have you ever dreamed of quitting your job and escaping the rat race to live in a remote island? Well, your dreams are about to come true. In Ireland, anyway, which is announced that it will pay people up to $92,000 to move there to one of these 30 remote Irish islands. So think like in a Sharon, the movie, stuff like that.

Very similar in its population and look. And it's access to Internet is my guess, probably just as bad, but who knows? The program is called Our Living Islands. Our Living Islands. It's a visionary project from the Irish government that aims to rejuvenate about 30 sparsely populated offshore spots. For example, there's the Aaron Moore Island, located off the coast of Dongal, Donagall. Donagall. County Donagall.

Donagall? Yeah. Along the magnificent Wild Atlantic Way, rugged 150-foot cliffs dominate the skyline. then there's Claire Island What? Which is the loudest island in Ireland. It's so loud all the time. It's naked most of the time.

What else? Drinks a lot. Just kidding, Claire, we think you're great. This is off the coast of County Mayo. So get your mayonnaise on. Yeah. Which is known for its sandy beaches and epic hiking. There's Bear Island, a quiet paradise, populated with walkers, cyclists, birdwatchers, and plant lovers.

I like that one a lot, yep. Innes Moor, one of the Aaron Islands was location of the 2022 Oscar-nominated film, The Banshees of Innes Sharon. There you go. Sound dreamy? You decide. 92 grand? I mean, that sounds right. That 92 grand, we got more information on this or like we saw a news article about it. That 92 grand is given to you that you have to spend, I believe, on the, on refurbishing the house or,

building, um, improving your lot, improving your house. It's not, um, uh, it's not necessarily a, here's, here's some cash, spend it however you want. No, it's 92,000. Use it for, for redoing this house. Right. But you could go. It's not like you got to go buy a $300,000 house and then spend another, no, it's true. Yeah. Yeah. So this seems like a pretty good. I mean, I, it's not a like, I mean, you know, oh, I have to spend $92,000 to rebuild a house in a beautiful island in Ireland. Okay, that's totally fine. I feel like I would consider this if I lived there. I assume this is for Irish people.

They're not asking everyone around the world to do this. I don't think. I think there, it's open to anyone, you have to be eligible for dual citizenship, and that's it. Really? Is that all? Yeah, yeah. Okay, now I really want to. Or get a work of these or whatever, but. Now I really want to know.

how the internet is like more than ever exactly right that is for us that is the the caveat that's a hundred percent the caveat everything else i can deal with uh even if even if the hell i could deal with an outhouse if i had to i don't want to but i could sorry i need i need a uh yeah i need the comforts of a heated toilet seat and a total washlet is what i need so no brian's 92 000 can go a lot towards a uh total washlet toilet, for sure. But I would be, yeah, it's not in my cards, but this sort of thing is intriguing. I love the idea of a remote island.

Oh, totally, yes. And a bunch of people are just like weird neighbors. Oh, what you're doing out there? Planting more potato things, you know, just doing your Irish stuff. Love it. Yeah, yeah. Make an Irish spring in the backyard. All right, that's it for your news.

We're going to take a break when we come back. My sister Wendy will be here, and we are going to talk about a couple of things. in fact it's not even in the show notes today because she's bringing her own thing so uh bring in her own like uh uh just just uh providing going off the menu oh great okay yeah yeah she's uh she's got her own thing and we're gonna groove on it so let's see what happens when she comes back but we can only divide things up here with a song and brian brought that song right in the middle here it's an indie da da da this is uh quartet from toronto listen man that's in uh like it's uh what uh seven hours

eight hours from now, I'll be enjoying some bad dates and enjoying a little Indiana Jones. The Toronto Quartet Zeus have a brand new single. This is a band that reminds me of like early dire straits, even has a little Knopfler in his voice. Not quite the guitar virtuoso. I mean, who is that Mark Knopfler is, but it's still really, really good. This is fantastic. They have a brand new album coming out called Cretto. Doesn't come out until September.

So you've got time to love this song, enjoy it, and appreciate it, and say, man, I want to hear more at the beginning of September when that album comes out. Here is the band Zeus and the song Air I Walk. Tried so hard just to loosen and low But never could I get to come and done Travel far and white, I'm in the setting sun In every city there's a place you can go You can meet a pink shadow in the radio

Some roads are dark, I'm in the setting sun There I walk There I'll be Blue there'd be easy one round you're getting care of me I love the city in the night time I love the way your bright lights shine I love it more than I want to do and you know I may never get tired of it

but I love the way you look in the night time I love the way of bright lights shine if I can find a home in correct our own there I walk Will there be some Wrong take taking care of me Here I walk, there I walk, there I be there I be, there I be. Will there be some warning round they didn't give me?

I love the city in the night time. I love the way the bright light shine. I love you more than I want to admit, and you know I'll never get tired of him. But I love the way you look in the nighttime. I love the way of bright night shine. If I can't find a home, he's never alone. There I walk, there I be, will there be some one around to taking care of me?

There I walk, there I be, there I be, there I be, Here are three outstanding checkers, all former queens in the checker of the year competition. Flea before my terrible power! All right, I need a brief reminder on who that was. That was a band called Zeus, Z-E-U-S-E-U-S. They have got a brand new single called Air I Walk. It's up ahead of their fourth coming album, which is also their fourth album, CRETO, which comes out September 8th. Nice.

Seems like another quality indie in the middle to me. It certainly is. It's sightnly, certainly is. All right. My sister, Wendy, will be here shortly with her prowess as a full-time professional therapist. And she's going to help somebody with something. That's why this always goes. So let's play her little intro.

Wendy. I mean, random. Not a chance. Hey, it's my sister Wendy who is here on Thursday. She's always doing the Thursday thing with us. And we're going to do that again today. But before we go anywhere, I wanted to do two things. One, thank you for being such nice host to my wife and your sister, Misha. They had a great time over there.

They were super easy to host. Hello. It was like having two queens of parties. Like having family there. Oh, they are. It's been a hot minute since anyone has helped me with anything. And it was so nice. Oh, my God.

Yeah, they're the right aunts. They're the perfect aunt slash sister-in-law as you want, or in Misha's case, your actual sister. But they're the perfect ones you want in proximity when stuff goes down. It's like, wait, we need help. Who's going to do it? Yeah. Like they social, they like did all the heavy emotional lifting of all the things,

you know, not only just like planning and helping and whatever and taking my kids. them all of America? What freaks? I would never do that. But whatever. They just did and they spoiled them in just the right ways and then they were so great. And then they just like at the party were just like work in the room. It was amazing. Yeah, they're pretty good for that stuff. It's amazing. Whenever you need them and they love that lake up there at the cabin you guys went to. Yeah, that was really fun. Got Kim to admit some of her deep fears on that lake. Oh, really? Not a fan of water. Of the deep water.

He's in water. Yeah. Especially stuff. And she had a really fun encounter with a loon, which is our state bird. Yeah. And learned a few biology lessons that they're, you don't mess around with the loon. No. No, it turns out stagnant lakes, not stagnant lakes, but lakes like that that are, you know, well, relatively stagnant.

They get a lot of stuff in them, things that she doesn't like, bugs, spiders, stuff down deep in the water, you know. Speaking of trauma, I mean, she grew up in Mississippi where like a snake, a poisonous snake would slither on the top of the water towards you. I mean, that's not. That is not nothing. That leaves a mark when you're around all those. When bugs or is. This lake is boring. There's nothing really in it but a couple of fish.

But it really did. But she did it. She kayaked the whole time and had a great time. And we saw all these bald eagles kept yelling, freedom. It was awesome. Well, that's what you do when you see a bald eagle. It makes sense. You go, freedom!

Well, great. Let's get straight to it. Now, I have one other thing I wanted to share. This is just a little feedback call we got based on a recent show. I guess it was the last time you were here. And it's short. So I just wanted to play this real quick. So check this out.

Hey, Scott, Brian and Wendy, this is for TMS. Last Thursday, you guys were talking with Wendy and you're talking about bad parenting things. And Scott, you mentioned that you terrorized your children by telling you had spies everywhere. Well, I just want to let you know, my mother did the same thing. I granted, she was a teacher in school, so she did have spies everywhere. But, you know, it is a thing. You're not alone. Have a great day.

Think about this. Kids who grew up where their parents are teachers have the spy network. school. Yeah, it's legit happening. They're not just saying that. It actually is that. So, uh, also, you know, what's the Luth,

a friend who shows up to teach his kids a lesson all the time in, um, oh my gosh, why can't they get the show's name? Uh, you know, Don Bluth. Oh, um, uh, oh, wait, from which, which one? Don Bluth made.

Tell me. Don Bluth made it. It's not Don. Not Don? Job, Joe Bluth? Oh, you're talking about Arrested Development. Thank you. Oh, my gosh.

I was going to give it in. Arrested Development, you know how they had that friend who would just, like, have his arm fall off because he was listening to teach him lessons. Yeah. I feel like that is another example of, like, a parenting tactic that causes problems. You're not the first person to bring that up. We got emails about that very dude. Someone sent me a picture of him and said, this you or something like that to my email. I'm like, no, I wouldn't go.

that far I get caught on this show so often for confusing Don Bluth and Ralph Bakshi that I'm like I'm not bringing up any animation saying anything because I know I'm going to get it flipped over and wrong I was like right so quiet yeah Wendy and I have like a we have a cultural connection to Don Bluth because growing up well those movies are always on in the house but also he was famous for being from here from Utah

oh that's right so it was kind of this big deal that Don Bluth is making movies to us anyway seem like like local celebrity what was the actual dad's name on the show uh that was george george bluth senior yeah oh yes because george michael got it okay got on right michael and george that show i'm about due for rewatch those first three seasons seriously let's all watch this that is a good comfort watch although that's a show that makes you so uncomfortable too it's pretty great well all right let's get to uh this week's thing so you brought something with you instead of us reading it. What do you got?

So, in essence, it's kind of a compilation. I got an email, but then also I'm going to just morph it a little bit into what I hear from clients a lot. And then kind of morph it with what the emailer said. And it's about existential dread and not in the sense of like, I think sometimes we use that term to sort of think of, you know, I don't know. Do I really want to do this job? And, you know, I start to go down this road of like, what does it all mean? And I don't mean maybe more of that intellectual pursuit in terms of existential dread and more the actual reality of you will cease to exist and that dread. So that's what it actually means. But I think we, you know, we always take terms and go nuts with them. Anyway, so existential dread or the fear of dying or that type of thing. So I've had clients from lots of places around the world, and they'll say the exact same thing. So it's fairly universal. Obviously, I'm not talking to people in various languages, so I can't speak for that.

But I can speak for the Swedes, and I can speak for the English speakers, which are both cultures, Great Britain as well, cultures where talking about death, focusing on death, all of those things are not common as things industrialized and processes. medically speaking sort of took over we really cleaned up death right it no longer were you know the bodies of our loved ones lying in the parlor for people to come and grieve you know they swap those out for living rooms where the living are and you know you go into a hospital you pass away your your body isn't will show up at the funeral for a hot hour and that's it right like you don't have that that interaction so I think a lot of

of folks will have some of these questions and concerns. So before I go any further, I need to say a caveat. So when I'm talking about these things, and this is a trigger warning, because suicidal thinking and wanting to end your life and having, you know, a mental health crisis that might be going on for you, this is not the podcast for you today. So just turn it off. Okay. And listen to it later when you're feeling better.

because we're going to talk about death. And sometimes that can be just enough and too triggering. And so there's your, there's your warning. Though we're not going to talk about suicide stuff at all, we are going to talk about death. And one reason, so warning, pause, goodbye. Hello, everyone who wants to stay. Okay. I just don't know how to officially do that.

You did it. You nailed it. That's what you do. That's how your brother does it. So it's perfect. Yeah. Oh, you're back. Oh, you're back.

Oh, you're back. Oh, hi, everybody. Thanks for coming back. Yeah. Anyway, so the idea is that every one of us is going to die, right? Yep. And a variety of responses to that fact. So I'm going to do something quickly with you guys.

Sure. And in essence, people's concerns and the email, all of those sort of center around, I'm so afraid of death. And I can't talk about it. If I think about it, I go down. in a really dark place or whatever sort of happens to somebody in a culture that does not talk about death very much. In fact, we have a lot of, in fact, let me start with this question, actually, before I

get to the other one, what are some of the rules about death in society that you guys are aware of? Are you either experienced? Yeah, social rules. We all follow. It's kind of cultural norms. What are our practices? You pretty much always have to say, I'm so sorry for your loss.

You mean that sort of thing? And you actually just did it. You lowered your voice. I'm so sorry for your own. Yeah, everyone suddenly has to talk about a computer. This doesn't work. You're right. Yeah, good point.

You're right. So there's the, I'm sorry for your loss. They're condolences. That's a part of it, right? And lowering our voice. So what else do we got? Oh, geez. You have, let me know.

Is there any, is there any, is there any? anything I can do? Is there anything you need? People say that a lot. Even though, even though you never really do need, I mean, what are you going to say? Oh, yeah. Could you take a guard? What's the will situation like? Yeah. Am I in it? So, Brian has pointed out a couple things. We do not talk about money, wills, or like, we don't talk about that. That's crap. Right. Their, their property, their possessions, that sort of thing. But are we not? I'm very good at in life as a whole. I'm very good at representing the what not to do.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Oh, you're doing great, Brad. Thanks. Keep going. So we do, we have some rules around that, though everyone is thinking it or wondering in some capacity, right?

So it's a, it's not a very straightforward process. You've got to like maybe go to a couple funerals as a kid to realize the rules or you've got to be told how to talk about or not talk about it. I think another one is to quickly with lightning speed. say something that's supposed to fix everything like, well, they're in a better place or some kind of, yeah, at least he's not suffering or, yeah, all that. Yeah, so at least he's not suffering. We jump to that, right?

Which in essence, it kind of is holistically shows this concept in our culture, which is we don't want to dwell on this at all. Yeah. Is it to make ourselves feel better or make the person we'll say it to feel better? Yes, both. Yes, and both. But does it ever work? Only it makes you feel better.

it doesn't make them feel better. Yeah, yeah. However, it is so natural for that to occur because, again, we don't have anything around death that is, you know, it's not like you have a class, the art of dying in school. You don't have the how to grieve with your fellow humans. Like, we're just guessing. And then we're also, like, you know, modeled, however that has been before us, right? But really being afraid of death and or not talking about it.

it or especially this thinking about your own death okay so here's my question and sorry to be grim this i get everyone a warning get out of here you don't want to hear this had a chance they had it they have their chance yeah it's the middle of summer i feel like it's the safest week to do this is yeah anyway the sun is out anyway is this so how often if ever do you two think about your own deaths how often uh if ever if ever Yeah, like, yeah, like, very rarely for me, maybe a thought enters my mind once a month, maybe. Is there a circumstance that usually kicks that up? A couple, yeah, right, like, you know, I'll be driving and have a near-death experience, or not even near-death experience, but like a, like, oh, dodge that guy, swerving into traffic kind of moment.

and say, oh, that could have ended me. But also thinking about my grandmother's death and all the time that we spent having to kind of resolve her or clean her house and get it ready to sell and stuff and not wanting to burn my own family with this curiosity shop collection of a basement that I have down here and what I can do about that. so yeah that's that's when it comes up for me as thinking about uh so some way you don't want to harm your loved ones um because of a mess or something but not the actual death itself like how will i die oh no no i figure i figure when it happens it happens and there you know a final destination there in a damn thing i can do about it okay all right so you can ever i love it all right how about you uh scott uh depends on what what time in my life you asked me this question If you'd asked me this 10, 15 years ago, I think the answer would have been different.

But today, I don't really think about it. Occasionally, I'll think about how crazy, I think a lot about how crazy time is. You know, I was just noticing that George Michael died at our age, me and Brian's age. It just seems crazy to me that he wasn't that much older than us. It's like 10 years our senior or something. So famous people dying is your real, is a click. Oh, yeah. He'll watch a movie and immediately have a mental checklist.

in his head as to which of the main actors are yeah and all and Wendy this I don't know if I've ever told you this that people listening have heard me do this but I'll watch like you know Casablanca or some old movie and realize that everybody there in that scene including the guy holding the camera and the one directing it and everyone talking and everyone dancing and everyone is an extra all dead every single one of them gone that whole room is empty now I do that all the time but it isn't like a weird uh it's not like a thing where I'm like oh death I'm scared of death like I'm actually not I'm I'm I'm with Brian on the whole I don't want to leave any messes I got a little PTSD from dad letting his life insurance lapse right before he passed away

and what that ended up doing to mom so I was just like I don't want to I definitely don't want to do that so let's you know check that one off we're going to make sure we're all covered there but also I don't want it to be embarrassing for anyone I don't want it to be you don't want to die on the toilet with your pants down no I don't want even worse than that I don't want it to be in public. I don't want to be somewhere with my kids or grandchildren and have it happen in some awful public way. I think about that sometimes, but I don't think about, like, sometimes actually comforting for me to go, if I'm feeling like super stressed about something coming up or something that's going on, sometimes the best way for me to deal with it is go, and again, this may trigger

someone, so get out of here. But sometimes it's good for me to say, I've done pretty good. I've got to life I'm really proud of. I have a family I love and they love me and I've done all I can do in that regard. So if I die tonight, what's the big deal? And it actually calms me down. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. The stakes aren't as high as I think they are because I've already done. You know, you can worry so much about what haven't I done. And it's hard for your brain to sometimes stop and go, well, instead of looking at what you haven't accomplished or done, maybe look at what you have done. And when I do that, that'll help me go to sleep on nights where I just him up you know yeah okay that i'm so glad you said that because you described two versions of

thinking about death you you describe the anxious version and the the the one that creates the dread or the unknowns or the uh i got a million things i got to do so i don't harm my loved ones you know like you it's it's a stressful potential thing um you may have grown up in a setting that was like well hell is on the other side of this and snow you really don't want to die or you know like or it could be nothingness is what you think is out there and that is terrifying to you some people find both of those calming some people think hell's calming I don't know why but this idea of like you know the anxious version of this and then there is what you just described and this is my answer um to this email and to those who have really struggled with worrying about

worrying about death because it gets stuck in the anxious part of it. And then for the rest of us who walk around, la-di-da, and don't think about it at all, it is actually connected to our happiness and our well-being. And you just, you just explained why, right? So you went from stressed out, I got a million things to do to, I'm going to think about my legacy a little bit. I'm going to think about none of this actually matters. And it soothes you.

Okay. So I'm going to give you some evidence of this real quick. So first I'll give you the American evidence because we're hilarious. I'm going to give you a really small developing country's evidence because it is not, it's so cool and not hilarious. Okay. So in 2007, there was a study in the University of Kentucky and these researchers looked at two groups and did this thing where they basically told them to think about a painful

visit to the dentist. And then the other group, they told them to think about their own death, the contemplation. their own death. And then both of them are just asked to fill out some words. I mean, there's been many other studies, but this is kind of a good example of one. And so, say, for example, the STEM word was J.O.

Real quick. Which group do you think ended the word with joke? And which group do you think ended the word with joy? Oh, I was thinking job, too. It would be another. Or job. Yeah. Job or John or. What were the two groups again?

ones who thought about death? The dentist, a painful visit to the dentist, and the other one was to contemplate their own death. I'm sure, I'm sure Job and, well, joke and joy were the two, the two years. Yeah, it could be job, could be, I mean, joy was the main one that is one of the groups. The other one was a variety of words. I guess Joy, I'd connect, I guess I'd connect it with the contemplating their own death over the painful visit to the Yes. I would too. Yeah. Hell yeah. So what they found is that

kind of the idea here is that death is psychologically it's a psychologically threatening fact. It's a fact as opposed to what if. It's not. It is a fact for every one of us, right? And then when people contemplate it, their brain does a kind of interesting thing.

It does an automatic search for happy thoughts or or sort of soothing thoughts. And so they found it with words. So you can do a lot of studies like this where you prime someone in a certain way, and then you can see what their brain concludes. So in this case, they were filling in words that were peace and joyful and, like, actual happy thoughts and words after thinking about their own death. Like, that doesn't make sense theoretically, right? Like, what?

But the reality is certain versions of thinking about your death actually lead your brain to make you happier. okay so here's that's the american evidence of this but here's the cool one okay i don't know if you guys are familiar with boutan the country botanese passport that's why familiar with btan is because yeah we it's a long story wendy but we got this old sound clip of how you're supposed to say butanese passport and i'd like to just play it real quick yeah you have it yeah it's great um this is up on the wikipedia page or it was anyway it was yeah somebody pulled that this was This is like an assistive technology thing that would read.

People could upload a recording of the reading the Wikipedia page to help those who, you know, sightless individuals. Yeah, like people who are blind or whatever. So here's what that used to be. There you go. Botanese passport. That's super annoying. But that therein lies are extensive knowledge of Bhutan. That's how we know Bhutan.

Okay, great. So a long time ago, I mean, they're one of, you know, like three months. something on the development scale of countries, right? So it's a very poor developing country. But they made a decision not so long ago to instead of measure gross domestic product, their GDP, they measure their gross national happiness, the GNH index. And they have all these native Bhutanese who studied in Oxford and all these places around the world who run their basically department of happiness.

And they do a lot of research and cool stuff and keeping it that way. And they are in the happiest. So, you know, we have Finland. Finland, they're all happy because they have health care and they live by water and all that stuff. Lots of fjords. It's part of just where they live. That's a piece of that. And just being safe and taken care of.

And, you know, some of those good things, right? But this is a country that does not have any of those same things. but they really emphasize happiness and of the average person and what they need to do for that, right? It's pretty incredible, right? Because I think we have a tendency to think, well, comfort is what will make us happy.

Actually, that isn't true at all. In fact, it makes us sick sometimes, which could be a whole other episode, but this idea of happiness, and this is one of the reasons. So they're a Buddhist nation and part of that tradition and the way that is practiced

and sort of lived is there is an extensive, you know, extensive times where the citizens there are faced with death. It's expressed in their language, iconography, they have really like 21 day morning rituals. They take the ashes of their loved ones and mix it with, you know, other stuff and it's in their iconography and their decorations and like, it's just surrounding them. And they also have this, is they basically do what, for most of us might feel unthinkable, is they are guided or taught to think about death five times a day. Oh, wow. Yeah, like a lot. To think about it with guidelines, I assume, or just think about it in general or what do you tell them?

Contemplate their own. It's mainly that. It's not like other people's death. You go to the Boone News Blockbuster, by the way, has a section called Everybody in These Movies is dead. most of the people in these movies are dying yeah right right exactly exactly um time to move on with the maltese falcon the other thing we do i forgot Ryan that made me think about it is we don't just directly say dead right think of all the words we use that are euphemisms deceased passed away expired yeah gone to sleep which is don't use those words with kids by the way

went to live up in a farm upstate yeah don't do that that's they'll never go upstate anyway Okay. So that is part of this, their happiness stuff. And so they can sort of measure that and they pay attention to that. And you have some interesting outcomes from when we study that. So obviously we've studied that in other places. And tying two things like an old episode we did about psilocybin and ketamine and psychedelics, some of the most amazing research there with people facing death because they are terminally ill. having severe anxiety, all sorts of problems mentally as they are preparing for their own death and the psilocybin trips or, you know, the medication they give them and the work they do with them, it's almost like a hundred percent recovery rate from fear of death. They are at peace. They have, you know, it gives their brain a different experience. And that's after a lifetime of we don't even say the word death, right, versus other cultures where it's much more a part of things. Okay. So there is

protocol here. Again, get out if this is at all triggering to you. See, this is why we do it too, right? It's scary. We think, oh, no, I'm going to cause someone to want to take their life, which is also a myth. Right. But it also feels like a form of like they're doing some sort of

immersion therapy, right? By constantly thinking about it, they're basically just they're taking the trauma aspects out of it and treating it like some other thing like a natural yeah and the familiarity really reduces its power

to be scary right and so for example if we take what is your and you don't have to go into this but we took your experience with your grandmother's death her actual dying saying goodbye all of those things if that was maybe not so awesome and then you had to go

clean out her basement yeah that that can just feel like a dread or a thing of like, I can't do this to someone else. And maybe you didn't get any of the moving experience with the actual dying, which is common, right? Because we kind of send people to, you know, buildings where a bunch of old people are dying at the same time, right? We don't have a lot of it integrated death. And she, you know, she was in hospice for a really long time. And it actually took going through her house and then like, oh my God, I remember. you know, this is a kid from when I'd come and visit or this is something that she used

to make that meal that we always liked. And it was, that was the point at which, at least for me, at which I was like, oh, wow, she's gone and this is, you know, this is never going to happen again. So, Brian, keep all your miniatures, because someone's going to want to take for you. Enjoy it, Tristan. There's one million miniatures. Yes, exactly. So I'm going to go through a couple.

She's going to have to finish painting them too. Oh, that's the thing. Leave your open projects for people. Okay. So I'm going to give you five things to do about death. Okay. So just understand this first. Imagine if you were immortal, you'd live for eternity all the time in the world. Would you feel, what would you feel desired to do? Experience. Try. And knowing there really is always tomorrow, you might feel the same, you know, or I don't know, you might just do things or not do things. I don't know. But what? When we know our time is finite, we actually get motivated. So death as a concept, when you can come to some peace and familiarity with it, can act like a motivator to do the actual job you want to do or quit this terrible job you don't want to do. Like, it has that impact, right?

So imagine you've been given a diagnosis and you've got six weeks to live. What do you drop? Literally most of the things you're doing now. Yeah, absolutely. absolutely yeah so until it it but why does it take daring you to death to get you to motivate you to live your life and part of that is you don't ever think about this and so the idea is that it's a therapeutic intervention that you have to be very careful with but this idea of hey what if you thought about it on a regular basis what would happen um okay another one is it like scott

was saying basically it reminds him not to sweat the small stuff even if it was big stuff right So you have a fight with your partner or you have love handles or you have a cracked iPhone screen. Those things will mean nothing if you are able to move a perspective on your mortality, right? So that is one of the other benefits. Another one is it helps us appreciate the present and be mindful. We talk about this all the time in mindfulness and therapy. It's like, can you be in the moment living your actual life? And that is a buffer to all sorts of mental.

pain and dysfunction it's hard to do because we are built to look forward and backwards in order to not make mistakes in order to get our next meal and so to get us in the moment of savoring or slowing down or being you know in whatever you are feeling we struggle and our use of technology is the absolute opposite of this right which is like get me out immediately from my reality and put me in black mirror or where ever, which I think is a painful reality. I don't know why everyone wants to keep watching. So that idea of like, escapism can really just keep you out of it.

But if you were told you a two months to live or tomorrow is it, I promise you're not going to be on TikTok. Yeah, right, right. Oh, 100% you're not going to be on TikTok. And someone's like, no, hey, I mean, I had a client the other day, we went through her usage and she's on TikTok on average 10 hours a day. Jeez. And this is a 20-year-old in college with a full-time job.

Holy crap. How are grades. Grades are, but you're having panic attacks in the shower, right? Like there are absolute consequences to a young brain being. Sounds like she's watching TikTok in the shower too. Yeah, honestly, must be or something, right? Because it's being used as a drug, right? So we're working on it.

We're going to get there. But that idea of escaping my reality has a consequence on our brains. And so thinking about death is one way to get us back into the moment. Okay. So number four, thinking about death helps us negotiate our death anxiety and be prepared to leave this planet, right? So when, you know, whether you believe in afterlife or nothing at all or reincarnation or you have no idea, if you let those thoughts enter your awareness, you're going to have some anxiety probably. but if you notice thinking about those beliefs and you'll actually become calmer

and be kinder to yourself and some of those thoughts will come and go it's weird now maybe don't do this on your own if you know have a group of friends where you call each other and talk about death because it may feel it may feel really freaky right I think we have sort of peripheral brushes with thinking about death. And sometimes that's just watching death online or watching, you know, it's kind of crazy, right? Like we can't talk about or think about death, but we can watch like 100 people murdered in front of us in a video game or something, right?

Like that disconnect is because it's it's not the same thing. It's an escape into a different brain state. So this is a very different thing. So be gentle. Okay. And then the last thing is in this. kind of goes to what you were saying, Scott, a little bit about, or you both a little bit, about your legacy. So it allows us to remember what's important and live intentionally, right?

But then also gives us a motivation to leave a legacy. And that can be a really motivating, powerful thing to think of, you know, what am I doing? Does it matter? What am I leaving my children or not? Right? Your grandma probably thought, well, someday they're going to want to see this weird cookie dish that I always gave them with their cookies, so I'll keep it. Or they just grew up during the Great Depression and they get rid of nothing. That was more, that she came to an immigrant from Hungary and was told, never give up anything, never throw anything away. As far as a fact, buy more of them if you see them in a garage sale.

If you see them, yeah, totally, 100%. And so your children and, you know, anyone who follows after you, we'll have their own version of, you guys made me our hoarding, working figurines, but there is some version of like honoring you and your life that will come and then eventually everyone who remembers you will also die. Right. Like this, it can sound really depressing, but here's the thing. And I'm going to walk you through a way to do this is if you're feeling courageous, make some space for thinking about death. Okay. Notice what comes up. It's very natural if it's anxiety. That's okay. Trust that

that reaction is coming because you value your life and you desire to continue living. Like that is the right response that a part of you is like, oh, no, no, we're doing good. We want to keep going, right? Like that is, that's a good response. The problem is we always stop there and run from that. So here's the next step, and this is really important, is you invite that anxiety or that disquiet you may feel and just, allow it to be there. Like, allow it to sort of sit for a minute.

Maybe you feel a little worried. See if it can kind of work through it as opposed to run from it as soon as you notice it, right? And then as you do that, notice how it lessens as you think about death more. So this is that whole lean-in concept, right? And if you can approach this with compassion, remind yourself it's a part of life.

and we're all so fortunate to experience life and, you know, just lean in, think a little more about it. Watch what happens to that anxiety. Now, if you have a therapist, do this with your therapist. The therapist might be like, what are you listening to? This is crazy. And it's because most of us are pretty freaked out, even the experts, right? Because every one of us will die. Yeah, it's built into everyone, right? Everyone's got it in their just core humanness to fear it. Death and taxes. Right, exactly.

But there is a payoff to this. I want there to be a payoff to taxes. But the payoff to this is that you can actually have a more meaningful, mindful life. So I don't think we'll be like the Buccanees, where five days, times a day we're looking at it, right? Yeah. But, man, are they free from that burden of being terrified and living unintentionally because we don't want to think or feel something, right? they lean into it. And so maybe this is a ridiculous topic.

You can tell I'm hedging on, was this a good idea? Not at all. It's definitely a good idea. I think it's fascinating, especially the cultures that focus on death and de-anxietyize them. I'm going to invent a word right there. I did. I like it. Yeah.

And it's also made me adjust my will. And now I'm sending Wendy a box of miniatures, unpainted miniatures, if something were to happen to me. I will absolutely paint. them and then bury them in a way you want you will have Peter paint them probably Peter would love that he would be into it yeah totally totally so really there's just and there's funny enough there's some apps that remind you to think about your death um that are sort of besides tic-tok yeah totally but are in therapeutic healthy versions of that that concept right right um I know, just real quick, one thing that happened with mom, not about a couple years ago, I guess, I read the book by Atul Gawombie, I forget the name of it, but it's like on death and dying, basically.

And it was like, talk to your loved ones about their wishes and find out what they care about and what they think and what they, you know, they want all these heroic measures and just suffer or what do they want. And so I called mom, and I was like, let's talk about your death. And we did for like two hours. And you know what she said? She's like, I cannot tell you the relief that this is to have someone willing to talk about this with me. Because no one will let me. Yeah, it feels like taboo. Not even John.

Yeah. Right. Right. And then this just happened this week. A good friend of mine. Her husband's 90. She's 78. She's spry and young and awesome.

And we've been friends for a while. And her husband had a couple falls. He's now in the hospital ready to go to a couple of. care facility. And I said, do you know what his wishes are? She has no idea. And I watch her as this transition is happening. She's not prepared in any way. He's 90. And I think it's because when we, when you're young, you think by 90, ah, yeah, we'll have covered all this. No, you're still you. Right. And so I think a lot of sadness and a lot of pain can come from our fear of this conversation.

That book is awesome. I should really have looked it up so I could tell you what it is. But it is just a helpful way to get you started. Being mortal, that's what it's called. Okay. And his own father goes through the end of his life while he's writing this book. It's really cool and well done. And we'll get you thinking about questions you haven't thought about.

So maybe that's a nice baby step for some of you. For others, you're just like, no, thanks. Bye. And that's okay. Others are like, I'm moving to Bhutan. I'm doing it. And you need a passport. Yeah, you got the booting these passport.

We know how to get to that. We know exactly how to ask for one. Yep. You got to do it in that tone of voice too or you're screwed. This is interesting. You know, I kind of didn't do this trick I use now where I just can't sleep or whatever the thing is where it's just like so much going on. And I just, I'm like, oh, I cannot clear my head.

And using this as a way to do that. It's like, hey, if I died tonight, would it matter kind of feeling? And it works. I didn't know that was like a healthy thing to do. I just figured it was just a trick that worked. I didn't really think about it. So this is sort of enlightening for me to hear that. Yeah.

And you know the other thing that helped a lot? I had a moment once where I came where we were doing. We maybe even were talking about, oh, I don't know. I know what it was. It was really depressing, but we were just talking about Kim's sister who's going through more chemo and her cancer's not slowing down. It's an awful thing that everyone's dealing with. So there's a lot of death discussion around that.

and to get out of the funk that was that that whole discussion I decided to go and make sure that all my passwords were in a place where Kim could easily access everything in case something happened and she went and made sure that all the bank stuff she handles and any of those same sorts of things were all in a place I could access like we just had these two like proactive moments of I don't want to leave her not knowing how to get in touch with all this stuff I've got going and it's a lot is a ton so I consolidated everything into one password manager made sure she had direct access to it easy access to it that you know all the things she would need to do it so there's no question about where she had to go and get and do if that came to that

and she did the same thing on the bank front and it was just like this nice feeling of well that's one less thing you know to worry about yeah it motivates some different things And that can include just some emotional things, right? There's a planning aspect to that, right? But there's also this emotional thing. The other thing is, yeah, I mean, so take, for example, when you walk by a graveyard or you walk through a graveyard, what happens? Because you're supposed to. You're supposed to whistle.

Is that the deal? Yeah, you're supposed to whistle past the graveyard, yeah, as you walk past the graveyard. See, that is a great example of our fear of death. superstitious, right? Yeah, I really don't, but I know that that's what you're supposed to do. Right. Right. And it is an unconscious reminder that that's your option pretty soon, right?

But what would it look like to just take a second and read a name and think about the person and think about how death is inevitable? And like, what does that do? Does that, you know, you could just test this. And again, let me reiterate, this is not for people who are actively wanting to end their lives. this is for people who are just plugging along, living, avoiding this topic, and could really benefit from maybe a perspective shift

because that's in the end what it will do. And I'm going to end with this thing because then I got to... Yeah, you have a thing, right? But basically we have, oh, shoot, where did it go? Just this idea that the people have regrets when they're dying.

sure um and here they are ready yeah i wish i'd had the courage to live a life true to myself not the life others expected of me that's number one okay number two i wish i hadn't worked so hard number three i'd wish i had the courage to express my feelings number four i wish i had stayed in touch with my friends and number five i wish i had let myself be happier huh so notice none of those are about painting men's miniature. No, none of those. I mean, that might be, I wish I let myself be happier. I don't know. Actually, I think you would. Yeah, because I do. I find myself to be very happy, happy and zen when I'm painting miniatures. Yeah, exactly. I know what I definitely didn't see there?

What I definitely didn't hear in there was, I'm sad. I didn't make my first million by 30. I'm sad. I didn't give another, do another hour of work every day. Yeah, or have more cars than the other millionaire. I missed all my kids' activities. I'm glad that I dropped these friendships from my youth or whatever right like it's the regrets are always and that first one's a big one the courage to live a life true to myself not the life others expected of me i think sometimes when i mean for me my thoughts of death are always when i get on an airplane i have one one minute where i sit there and i think all right i'm going to die next to gym and this random dude you know like i just kind of look around and i have this moment where because you know it could

it could be it and it i have found as time has gone on and i've the more i fly actually i have flown more this year probably than i ever have um i i have more peace as i do it and i that's kind of one of the things i was thinking about it was like oh isn't that fascinating before it was like too who do i need to tell i love or some kind of a yeah versus um you know just the effect that this has is just maybe more of a grounding effect right yeah so maybe stop avoiding the cemetery on your way to work. Maybe take a minute, have a conversation

with someone who's older about this. I think you'd be surprised how much they would crave it being safe to talk about, this thing that's closer to them than it, you know, it could be any of us any day, but yeah, see if you can, and that's really the goal

here, is you start to minimize these regrets of the dying. We have their words, we know, and it's universal. Yeah. I'll say this. I don't, as much as I don't fear death, maybe more, you know, as much as I maybe did when I was younger, the things I fear more are like, if I get Alzheimer's, what kind of weird shit's going to come out of my mouth on that bed? What am I actually say? That falls under the, I don't want to die embarrassingly.

Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know what's going to come out of my mouth. So I feel like I kind of already know because it's that, you know, the colonoscopy guy on Twitter live. Yeah, like if you're not in your straight, you know, I just don't know if I'm just going to be, I think I'm going to be loud as the other thing. So what I really want someone to do, I want to like do some kind of preeminent thing where make Kim sign a thing that says, if Scott gets full on dementia, a pillow over the face. Yeah, something. Strap me down, put up tape on my mouth or something because I just know it's going to be the most embarrassing stuff. It's just going to suck.

See, that scares me way more than death. Way more. Like, take me now instead of having me sitting there yelling stuff for my subconscious. just like potato head freaking frying pan frying pan I don't know what I'm going to say but I'm going to yell something

it's less the you know it's kind of that same thing but that if I do have a fear of death I mean it's actually less of a fear of death and more of a fear of Alzheimer's and not remembering people and the hurt that that causes them because I watched Tina go through that with her grandmother

it's like yeah I just I don't want to go that's the thing I don't want to put people through let them clean up my miniatures miniatures that's totally fine yeah I don't want them to think that I don't have a spot for them in my head when I get to that. I also don't want to collapse in the mall and take a dump while I do it.

I don't want to. Sure. I'm just saying. We're going to end now. I did that yesterday. All right, perfect place to end it. Wendy, have a fantastic time. I know you got a thing you're rushing off to.

Thanks for hanging out with this. We'll be back next week with more insightful conversation with Wendy. We'll see you then. Bye. She had a client. Hopefully they're not late. Poor Wendy's trying to get out of here. And we're like, you know, ah, about another bit.

That's right. What if I died and pooped? Yeah. All right. That'll do it for today's show. Big thanks, everybody, for watching and listening. And we'll be back at this next week. Of course, we have a play date tomorrow. You're all invited. We may have player priority going to patrons.

But other than that, some people can still sneak in. You can certainly watch it. We're going to do the whole thing live at frogpants. TV tomorrow at 10 a.m. Mountain time. So come hang out and be a part of the live stream. would like to. We're going to play Among Us, which we haven't done under that. Mungus. I'm going to send a message over to Talley and say, hey, we miss you and among us. Come play. Oh, join us. Join us for Among Us. Except she's so good. She always wins and she knows exactly the right timber to ask

questions with so that we accidentally give information away. She's too good. She's a smack talker too, so that's all fun. She is. Anyway, come around for that, everybody. We'd love to have you. And a reminder that tonight is Core. We'll be doing that at 5 p.m. mountain time, I'm, I don't know, I have stuff to say about Final Fantasy 16. People may not like it. I've got, I've gotten, oh, really? Because the, my first impression of that game, incredible. Yeah. The, as I went on, first half of that game, that's still pretty good, but they're getting a little weird. Some of this is a little weird. And then now, I feel like I'm stuck in this anime hellhole. Oh, no. Okay. Oh, God. Yeah, I hit that. And it's a little frustrating. So, uh, look for some really, um, uh, energetic talk,

between John and I, because John loves that crap, and he and I will probably have it out. Anyway, that'll be tonight, 5 p.m. Mountain Time, Coverville today, 1 p.m. Yep, 1 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.tv.tv slash Coverville. I still haven't switched over to doing that. I don't think I could do that on YouTube because of the music, because I can't, I can't even make the old Vodz available to stream on Twitch. So it's basically like, you watch it live or you listen to the podcast. Those are the things I can legally do. Yeah, and I think the YouTube Live actually does algorithmic song checking in real time. Yeah, yeah. Let him do it.

Let him bring it up. Even though Brian's got all the rights. He pays for the rights for this shit every year. Comes out of my bottom line is what it does. Also, I guess The Connection tomorrow morning. We'll announce the winner of last week's guest The Connection and give away some new prizes. And I don't know what they'll be, but they've been good stuff. Like this Beast Wars action figure.

Oh, it's a really cool, Lute Cray, Beast Wars Action Figure. fear I gave away last week. Nice. Some great stuff. So be here for that 9 a.m. at Mountaintime, Twitch.tv.tv. slash Coverville. And then right after that, into some among us.

What was the maximal that you gave away last week? What was the, uh... I can show you... Just curious, because I love them beast wards, you know. Big fan. See, we got. Look at the size of this thing. This is no, this is no small deal.

This is the Megatron. Is it just say Mega? Oh, right. Right. That's right. He was kind of a weird, not animal thing in that. Yeah, like a bug. Yeah. Bug dinosaur-handed thing. They were weird. The Decepticon version of the maximal or whatever, is it desist, whatever. They weren't as cool as the maximums. If I know any of this shit's got. The maximals were cool because they were like gorillas and cheetahs and stuff. Yeah. Anyway, I love that stuff. So watch for all of that.

Wouldn't something cool like that? Yeah, why not? Also, FilmSack this weekend. new movie. We're doing Underball. That's right. The one I've never seen. The one single, well Uptel we watched Dr. No, I hadn't seen that either. Yeah. Really? So this is the only Bond movie you hadn't seen? No. This is it.

Did you, you saw Never Say Never Again though, right? The non-canon. I have seen that. And when I saw it, I thought I remember it being weird even then. Yeah. I mean, that's a remake of this, basically. And a poor one at that. Yeah. That's a real bummer. They even did that. It is. You know, broccoli. Yeah. You know broccoli.

Yeah, you know that broccoli feller. Anyway, so that's this weekend. Lots of fun stuff. If you would like to help this show continue to be on the air and coming to you on the daily, check out patreon.com slash TMS. You'll never get commercials. You'll get pre-show content every day. Couch parties like we're doing tomorrow, or I guess that's a play date.

Art in the mail, other great monthly benefits that only come to you by being a member. And we'll let you know about the Monday, Tuesday thing. Sometime this weekend, you'll get word on that. I figured we were taking off the fourth, but I didn't know how that Monday thing works. So we'll figure it out. That is going to do it, I think. Brian, you got anything else? We covered it all?

I think we've covered it all. Yeah. Well, let's cover one more thing. Oh, this is great because this is, A, brand new, and B, a really cool cover that there was a recommended, a bunch of people actually hit me up about this. But Leslie, Lowe's mom, who I just had the pleasure of hanging out with here in Boulder and Denver for quite a while. She got to see the studio. Not a lot of people who visit. Not a lot of people.

Not a lot of people get to visit the studio. It says, you know, got to keep it private. Thank you very much. Got to keep it. A lot of people really want to see it. And it's private. It's private. They've declassified it.

I feel like you're doing this long enough just to see Jeannie's reaction in the chat. I do it long enough for the brain. I think Brambeau Bright left during the death talk. There it is. There it is. There it is. She gave us a full Kathy. Cheney channeling her Kathy part comic strip.

I could just see the sweatlands coming after. Anyway, this is, we didn't start. A lot of people thought we start the fire. We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning, but we didn't start the fire. I like the event here repertoire, by the way, the part that day. Yeah, that is the third. that sells it. You've got to add that

all right. Leslie said in honor of seeing them in concert on Sunday, July 2nd, I'm requesting this amazing, brand new cover of Billy Joel's We Didn't Start the Fire by Fallout Boy. It's a cover, yes, but also completely new since it covers newsworthy items

from 1986 or 1989 to 2023. This is really cool. So basically they said, ah, Billy Joel's song ends with everything, all the things that happened up to 1989, we're going to take it now for the next, what, 35 years, or 34 years or whatever. It's a really cool concept. On Wednesday, 628, I received an email from the band with a link to the song.

It also included the message, quote, I thought about this song a lot when I was younger, all these important people and events, some that disappeared into the sands of time, other that changed the world forever. So much has happened in the span of the last 34 years. We all felt like a little system update might be fun. hope you like our take on it. I do like the take on this, and this is, I think, a really, really cool concept.

And I think somebody needs to... There's some band out there, some burgeoning kid in his bedroom out there, who in 30 years is going to update it for the next 25-year span. So it's good. Anyway, here it is. We didn't start the fire by Fallout Boy.

Fantastic. We'll be back Monday, like we said, with new shows. all this other stuff on the weekend. So you've got plenty to listen to in here and watch and stuff. All right. So don't go home hungry or something like that. All right.

That's going to do it for us. Thanks for listening. We'll see you then. Get more at frogpants.com. Oh, we love that guy.