The Morning Stream - TMS 2494: Slippery Chicks

Episode Date: July 18, 2023

Pantsters Local 513. Eyeball articulation. Abbott Hibbert Ibbotson. Passing the Grand Budatest. My burger is nothing but cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese! Persian, spelled like the rug. Creamy-filled center of the tall people. Falling down the Cumberbatch hole. BK: Home of the Whipper Fapper! Upside down Pulsating Fireball. What part of him was blue? I would still say beard. Wes Anderson's Parasite. Name That Thing with TV's Travis. Handsfree Holding with Bill. Exciting the Molecules with Bobby and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TMS is brought to you daily, by and large, by the support of our patrons, like Chip, Callum, and Thomas Sorenson. Be like them today at patreon.com slash TMS. Coming up on TMS, Pansters Local 513. Eyeball articulation. Abbott Hibbitt Ibbotson. Passing the Grand Buddha test. My burger is nothing but cheese! Persian, spelled like the rug.

Creamy filled center of the tall people. Falling down the Cumberbatch hole. BK. Home of the Whipper Fapper. Upside down pulsating fireball. What part of him was blue. I would still say the beard. Wes Anderson's parasite. Name that thing with TV's Travis.

Hands free holding with Bill. Exciting the molecules with Bobby and more on this episode of the morning stream. Just you wait, Crimson Wizard. I ain't going to stop until I'm more than powerful enough to take you down. I'm a Catholic and I don't want to hurt anybody, you understand? the morning stream what do you say we get nipple to nipple no thanks hey everybody welcome to tms it's the morning stream for tuesday july 18th 2023 i'm scott johnson and that right there is brian hibbit hello i like the h in there you know i like the h in there you know

It's kind of fun, for some reason. Hibbitt. Hibbitt. Brian was my new bride. I could call you Abbott. I could call you Ibbotson. You could call me Abbott like Leoport does. That's a new, the new, Abbott is the new Ibbotson.

That's right. Don't forget you guys, when you bring up Brian, know the name Abbott. Okay? Right. And I still don't have a big unit. Hey, one of the Pokemon things I opened up yesterday after the show, I have to share with people because those two electibuz and the Pikachu are little. disappointing that they didn't light up, that the batteries had died in the 20 years since

these toys came out. But this one doesn't require any batteries. I totally dig it. I'm excited. I'm going to keep it. It's Meowf. Oh. Look at that. He looks. Oh, look. He's got the eyeballs move. Wow. Our eyeball articulation, Brian. Yes. Two points of articulation. They're the eyeballs. I think I just caught that thing in a Pokemon pinball. Oh, a meowl, yeah, probably. I think so, and then I opened up that little extra area and you got a meowth. Yeah, and I think I evolved it into, but I don't remember what it turned into. It was like a, or maybe it turned into a meowth.

What does a mewelf turn into something? Miaoth turns into... What's his evolution there? See, I haven't opened up... Some other kind of pocket man, you know? It's another pocket man. Yeah, Persian, that's right. Thank you, Becca.

Oh, a Persian. Persian. Spelled differently, obviously, than, you know, the Persian we're used to. No, no, it's spelled correctly. It's, uh, Becca typed it so, Becca typed it so quickly, it's a, P-R-S-I-O-N, Persian, like Persian rug? Yeah, not, not O, A-N, yeah. Oh, I mean, yeah, okay. So it is different than that's still, it's okay to describe rugs and cats as Persians. Yeah, of course. And princes. Right. But a person, you never, you never say anybody's a Persian, no one ever, you never say,

hey, you're a Persian, aren't you? You never say that. No, you never say that. I guess, I don't know, that's, uh, I guess you could have. You can still say oriental cats, oriental rugs, but you don't say, oh, that guy's an oriental. Well, I think Persian's different, though, right? Because it was actually... Persian is different because it's the, it's what turned into Iran and Iraq, is that right? Right, but they were like an empire at one point. They were like a, you know... Because you can't say it because it's, Persia is not a country anymore. Yeah, so it's like saying Istanbul is now Constantin.

Antinople. You know what I mean? You can't say Istanbul anymore. You don't say to Stambulian. Persia was an actual country, but isn't anymore, so you can't call somebody a Persian. That's true. Oh, really? Okay, so. For a while there, though. You still do still identify as Persian. A lot of people saying you can still, a lot of people saying you can still call them Persians.

I'm going to call them, I'm going to call them Iranians. But the Persians, man, at one time. Is that I couldn't do it, but I'm going to do it. They were like, you know, Roman, something. size, big old freaking, going to try to take over everything size. They were big for a long time. And then they went, uh, we're not so interested or what. I don't know what happened.

This is a terrible history lesson. Hey, everybody, go look that one up on Wikipedia. I don't know. I guess you say, uh, I guess you say, you can't say Persian. You just can't say Oriental. Okay. Yeah, the Oriental thing I knew about because Oriental was like, they tried to lump everybody into that from the Orioles.

Exactly. It was like a, right. But where Persian was like an actual deal. but if I say my brother's oriental he's going to not love that he would be annoyed my brother would be mad although I think my brother might be going on strike because they got that whole UPS strike going and he might be on his own little picket line coming up oh my gosh yeah I feel like do we need to do we need to figure out if there's something that we can strike about as podcasters because I feel like uh uh there're going to be more people striking than not and I want to be

I want to be part of the in crowd. Well, you and I need, we need our own union. So let's think about that. Let's call it the, we need a cool, catchy initialism for it, right? Sure, sure, yeah. Podcasts. So instead of Teamsters, we're Pansters. We're Pansters.

We're Pansters. Yeah. So you could be the FPA, the Frog Pants Association or, you know, furry pet. That's way better than FAP. Yeah. Let's not be. We're going to be part of the FAP. It'd be part of the fap.

Yeah, because people say sagafra, after, we could say the fap. Yeah. And we're going on strike. And until our demands are met, which we don't have written up yet, we'll work on that. We'll get our demands together. Bannsters Local 115. Yeah. See, this is kind of the quality writing that you guys do for our show.

That's right. None of them are in the union so we can do it. They're not scabs. They're. Because we don't pay them. You guys get paid nothing. But thank you for helping us out on Patreon. We appreciate it.

it. Okay, real quick here. I wanted to just get a PSA out because a lot of people are asking about it, especially international people. We had a bunch of delays happen. It's a long story, but the free comic book day stuff we do in May, they usually ship by June. Most of them in the U.S. have shipped, maybe all in the U.S., I think. But some of the international ones have been going out slower. Some went last week. Some are going today. Like there's just, we had to spread it out a little bit. Also, there was a big move in the warehouse back east where I'd do all of my stuff. out of, aka Dave. He had a giant move and had boxes and all this stuff to move. And some of those prints got put in a place that we didn't know we hadn't shipped them yet. Anyway, long and the short of it, they're still going out.

If you've got questions about that, I put a blog post up on frogpants.com and go read about it. But basically, they're on their way. And if you haven't already got them in the U.S., you should any time. And if you haven't got them internationally, the reason is this delay. So that's the deal. And they're free. So you'll all be fine.

You'll get them. all right it's not like you're not going to get them you'll get them for sure but you know they're free all right they're free what do you come on and there are thousands of them Carter and I had to hand sign thousands and thousands of free prints like we do every year and we're happy to do it but it takes time while you're trying to get dungeon murder stuff moving has a lot it's a lot it's a lot it's a lot of a lot going on so anyway they're they're on their way just a little about a month later than we had we had hoped uh and dungeon murder's coming on very nicely I got I think I'm done with all the proof, all the rules. We've checked everything. I've had multiple editors

go through it, fine-toothed combs. I don't know what else there is to do. It's just, it's ready to print. Nice. Ooh, I'm excited. That's step next. As a backer, as backer number one, yep, even if you weren't number one, I'm calling you that. You're number one. Number one. You're number one. You take the con while I go down to the medical bay. You're number one, I'm excited about it. Very excited. I am too. You know what I'm actually looking forward to the most?

I've got this final proof deck here that's basically the finished deck. And I'm going to take it to our family reunion and just play the living shit out. Oh, cool. So that is, that's what we talked about this, right? It's the last week of the month. Yeah, I'm gone from, let's see. Oh, it's a Thursday to a Monday. So I think the only TMS day that's going to get affected potentially is the Monday.

Is the Monday? Because I think we'll do the show on Thursday before. we leave and then wait is that right yeah that should be right and then back on the first yeah I will be back too late but we'll start on the sorry we'll start on the first

August 1st we'll start yeah so we I guess that means our play date has to be on the 22nd or the week the 21st or 22nd yeah which is this Friday this Friday or Saturday just dawned on me it's like oh there's only two weekends left of the you're gone for one of them, so I think it has to be

play date weekend. Yeah, we've got to figure that out. So we'll get with Monica. We'll get with Monica. We'll figure that all out. We'll let you guys know. Anyway, if you have any other questions about that whole free comic book day thing, just let me know. Send me an email or whatever, and I'll let you know what's up. We've got a quick email I'd like to get

through before we do something kind of fun here. This is Jeff Seyer up in Canada. He would like to have a word. Oh, I have to do this. Here we go. By the way, that thing's like 40 years old this week. Akira, the movie. Oh, is it really? Something like that.

30-something years? I forget. Jeez. But it was just some of... Yep. A big flesh monster out there. It's gross. Anyway, Jeff says,

Hey, Scott and Brian, when trying to guess fake cities in the game Wednesday, that should have been week before Wednesday. Yeah. Brian said there is no government in the Shire.

This is not correct. In one of the appendices of Lord of the Rings, Tolkien says Sam becomes the mayor of the Shire. Unfortunately, Sam dies in prison after several boxes of secret documents were found in his po-ta-tubin. Potubin?

Can I help you with that? Potato bin. Oh, potato. I don't know why they didn't ring for me. But I may not be remembering this part correctly, says Jeff. Yeah, I think that last part may be apocryphal, but the, uh, uh, I looked it up. He's right. He was the mayor.

There's no secret documents you could find in my potato bin. I keep them. I declassify those secret documents. Yeah. Still working at a, uh-uh, part. I like it. Yeah. That was the last secret ingredient that the Iron Chef needed to pour chiety.

His secret ingredient. Yeah, he was the mayor, so that implies local government in the Shire. Yeah, sure does. All right, fair enough. I don't know why he came up that, because I think we were saying we were trying to identify fictional cities. And we said the Shire is in a city because it doesn't have a government. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah.

And it may still not be. It's still could be a province or a village. I mean, a mayor can be... Yeah, exactly. I mean, just, you know, a mayor does not a city make. Mm-hmm. Does it? In this new TV show, there is a mayor in silo. It doesn't make them, you know, a city or a country.

They're just a big silo. What about East Town? Because I remember there was the show, a mayor of Easttown. Right. She didn't even have political office. She was just... She didn't know. I don't know how that happened.

She just had a hard life. man that show is good it was so good they're done with that right that's not a thing i'm getting again i think it was a one-off yeah that's a shame before you write in i know it's not mayor of east town okay yeah we know that's the fun of the name it's a double meaning deal kind of thing there all right uh guys you've had him on the show before he's you've heard

his name mentioned you've also had him as a guest host before uh it's tb's Travis and i'm going to add him to the to the call he apparently has prepared something maybe special. I don't know if it's special. Special for us, all right? A special little tree for us. Oh, hi. Hello. What's going on, TVs, Travis? Oh, you know, just hanging out ready to quiz the two of you on some stuff. Nice. You know what's weird, having you on today versus when we finally all got to physically meet in Vegas. Between the three of us, we are the tallest three people on the air right now. We really are.

Travis is like not frighteningly tall, but when you see him, it shocked me. I was like, oh, shit. We are an intimidating bunch, if you don't know us, before you get to know the little creamy filled center of each of our respected donuts. Yep. Yeah, no, but it was handy for finding each other in crowds in Vegas. Oh, for sure. Yeah, plus you were like a.

beacon of blue beard. You had that tinted blue beard. Yes, that's right. Yes, the blue hair and the hat. Yeah, I could see you halfway across Clark County. That was awesome. Well, anyway, you're here and we're going to do, you know, I should have some music for this. Let's see if I got anything fun here. How about, uh, oh, I'll use that for Monica, but I'll use it for you. It doesn't matter. Uh, we're going to have a little trivia game of sorts. I'll let you explain it and then, uh, I guess Brian and I are playing. So how's this going to work? So it's a, uh, Name That Toon style quiz. Right now, the placeholder name is Name That Thing.

I'm sure I'll not come up with anything better than that. Naming things is not my strong suit. Sure. But what we'll do is we'll have some rounds of trivia. I will give you a category, and I will give you the clue type, and then you will bet on how many clues it will take you to answer. Oh, okay. And we'll go back and so.

And we'll basically say, I can name that thing in six clues. And then the other person will say, oh, I can do it in five. Yeah. So, you know, well, as an example, if I said movies and I wanted to get, but go by cast members. And I started talking about, and so Scott says, well, I can do that in five. So Brian, you get a chance to say four. And then Scott could rebut and say, I'll do it in three or go ahead. And then I give you your cast members, Harrison Ford, Sean Connery, John Reese.

Davey's pretty obvious Indian Jones I mean yes Patriot games I love that's how it'll go um the the fewer clues you use the more points you get first to five points wins and you're playing for tadpool members that can't join today I have a couple of little prizes that I will send out US only for these because they're physical items I'll tell you what just for funness we'll throw in a couple of random steam games as well for for our winners so we'll pile that on top of whatever you're signing them. That'd be great. Nice. Scott, you're going to be playing for Jen Brown,

who goes by the name Oddly Strange. She's in Glen Allen, Virginia. And I'll be playing for Bob Decker, Scooby Dad in Lakeland, Florida. Scooby Dad? Fantastic. Scooby Dad. My least favorite Scooby-Doo spin-off is terrible. It was not good. Yes, it was horrible. Yes. No one likes Scooby-Dead. Worse than Scooby-Dum? Oh, dude, worse than Scrappy-Doo even.

That's how bad it was. Scrappy-Doo. It was Crappy-Doo. That was a terrible character. It should have never existed. I think that we as a people. Put a mop. What are we? Oh my gosh, dude. I haven't heard that in so long.

That just brings back nightmares. All right. 100% agree. All right, let's do this. Okay, so round one. Scott, you're going to get the honors to go first. Our category is a movie. It is, I will say it is a movie from the 1990s,

and we're going to go by cast members. Okay. So, Scott, you get to start. We'll start the bidding at five cast members. I think I could So can I say a lower Right, I can do that now You could say lower if you want

I'm going to say I can do it four Four all right Brian how about you Do you think four is enough Or do you want to go lower I can name that movie And three cast members Three cast members

All right Scott Yeah Do you want to go for lower Or do you want to make Brian go for three Oh I'm going to try to go for three. I'll do three. You got to do two.

Oh, I can't, I can't equal it. I have to go. Yeah, it's poker rules. Raise or call. Oh, shit. Two people? No, I'm going to make Brian do it. Okay.

All right. So, Brian, you're guessing in three. Here are your clues. Kevin Bacon. Jack Nicholson. Kiefer Sutherland. Kevin Bacon, Jack Nicholson, Kiefer Sutherland, that would be... Oh, geez.

Kevin Bacon, Jack Nicholson, Kiefer, Sutherland. This should, this feels like it should be obvious. we're going to need an answer. All right, well, let's say flatliners with Jack Nicholson as the special guest star. Incorrect. Oh, incorrect, eh? Hold on, I got for that. I'm going to say, oh, of course.

JFK? Also incorrect. Damn it! The chat room has it. Yep. That is a few good men. Oh, a few good men. I can't handle the clue.

Yeah, I forgot about the Pagan connection. That threw me off. All right. Yeah. Round two, round two, we're going to do a band. Because it's not always the top build, not always the Tom Cruise and the Demi Moore's and stuff. Correct, yeah, yeah. So round two, we're going to do, Brian, you get to start this.

It's a band. We're going to go by song titles. Okay. Song titles from this band. This band, I will say, has been active since the early. 80s, two now. Okay. Oh, we're still going.

All right. I'm going to start the bidding at five song titles. All right, five song titles. Scott, do you think you can do it in four or less? I'll try four. Yeah, I'll think I can. Four? All right.

Brian, how about you? Last chance, raise or call? I will raise really lower to three. Okay. All right, three song titles. Here are your song titles. Oh, wait. Scott gets to.

Are you like counter or no? Can I not count it? Yeah, he gets to counter. Oh. Doesn't it? Um, or is it only two? It's one back and forth. Oh, really?

Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, yeah. All right. All right. The name that band, says the audience. Okay. So, your, your song titles are fuel.

For whom the bell tolls. Oh, shit. Lux Eterna. Gosh, dang it. Could that be Metallica? Damn it. That is correct. That is Metallica.

That's an easy one. That was kind of an easy one. That was a little bit easier. Give me fuel. Give me fire. Give me that which I desire. Yeah, I should I. I wanted to, it's tough with song titles.

It is. It really is. That's a. Too obscure, but I wanted to like, as a, we're working it out. It's a new game. Yeah, no, I like it. I still like it. I'm still digging it.

All right. I'm digging it too. All right, Scott, we are now round three. Our category is actor. Okay. And we're going to go by movie titles that this actor has been. Oh, I like it. So going the other way.

Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I can do it. Um, I can do that in two. Two. Ooh.

All right, Brian, can you do it in one or do you want to make Scott do it in two? Scott, name that actor. All right. Here are your two movie titles. Okay. A fantastic fear of everything. Yeah. Star Trek into darkness.

Um, boy. A fantastic fear of Everything. Wow. Have you even heard of that movie title, Scott? No, that is new to me. Oh, it's a good movie.

Wait, you haven't seen a fantastic fear? Well, I'll just guess. And you have no other hints around this, right? That's it. That's all I get. Those are your two hints. No, none of this. This guy's been acting since the early 80s or anything like that.

He started acting in the late 90s on television. and move to films in the early 2000s. TV and then films. Oh, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, oh, shit, uh, Scotty, uh, uh,

uh, Sean of the Dead. Uh, uh, Simon Pegg. That is correct. Oh, well done. Nicely done. I mean, whoops. I hit the wrong button. Yeah.

Woo! That actually is painful. Nicely done. That's a good one. I thought for sure a fantastic fear of everything would trip you up. I think what helped me. I would have gotten Cumberbatch, although it was into, yeah, Into Darkness was the con one, right? Yeah, that was Cumberbatch for sure.

Yeah, because it did sound like a British movie, so I mean, Simon Pegg also qualifies, but man, I would have... You know what, hell, I mean, I would have fallen down the Cumberbatch hole. I do, I will admit that your hint about late 90s, TV and then jumping to movies. Oh, because of spaced. Yeah, yeah, I kind of did it. Yeah. All right. All right.

So we are currently tied at three. three, we go to five points. We're at round four. So round four is another band. But this time, Brian, you're going to be guessing album titles. That's the first thing you're going to be betting on. How many album titles? Oh, album titles.

Okay. Yes. I will say four. Four. All right. Scott? I feel like stakes are high here. this is a delicate area to compete with Brian on it's hard I'm gonna say I'll say I can do it

I didn't plan it this way by the way no I know it could be either of us I'll say I can do it in three just to keep things competitive here three okay and Brian you have one chance to say in fewer than that or make Scott go for three I'm gonna go for two you're gonna go for two all right name that band okay to name that band in two album titles your album titles are October shit no line on the horizon

no that would be the band of you too damn it that is correct I mean sorry I think one of those

ended up on my iPod and I didn't want it wasn't that pop or am I thinking of a different no pop I think it was a different I don't remember which one I think it was no line on the horizon

automatically got loaded on people's iPhones or oh was that one was that the one but pop I think pop was when when Apple came out with the black and red iPod. I think Pop was, I think all the whole U2

library up to that point was included on that. I thought Pop was 90s. Why am I thinking that? That might be. Oh yeah and the iPod was way. There was no iPod in 90s. So the black, what was the black and red iPod then? I guess how to make a nuclear bomb maybe? Freaking I don't know. There was one

iPod that had the whole U2 library included. It was a black and red I remember wanting it kind of. I remember thinking it was cool. Yeah. The black and red iPod was cool. I will say that. So that makes Brian our winner this week. Oh, my good Lord.

Look at that. That's five points for Brian. Yeah, well done, dude. That's amazing. I really like that game. That's freaking fun. Yeah. I think we'll, you know, because we're so busy quizzing everybody else.

Once in a while, it's fun to have somebody quiz us. And I think we could make this a semi-regular, you know, maybe once a month or something, bring him in and do a little of this. What do you think, blue beard? Do you like this idea? I like it. Yeah. Is your beard still blue right now? No.

Beard was never dyed. It was my hair. Oh, I've mixed it up. I honestly, you could have held a gun to my head and said what part of him was blue. I would have still said beard. I don't know why. That's just what I remember. Right now, it's all washed out and just kind of blonde.

But it'll be blue again soon. Well, we love a blonde right here on TMS. Very cool. It's TV Travis everywhere you find him. He's got a podcast, too. Tell people about your awesome rad show you do. Yeah, so my main show is Weight, You Haven't seen. And it's a movie podcast where somebody's watching a movie for the very first time.

This week, I actually have a new episode. It will be out tomorrow where I saw The Life Aquatic with Steve Zisu for the first time. I had never seen it. This was you. You haven't seen. This was me because my friend Phil Keating from the botched podcast and Amy Frost both heard about that and began berating me constantly saying you were going to watch. So I finally was like, fine, the two of you come on and we'll talk about it. it and apparently now I'm going through all of Wes Anderson's that's what I was going to ask you

okay was this the first how many Wes Anderson films had you seen before this uh one I had seen rushmore oh wow okay rushmore is awesome yeah love the you getting experience all that for the very first time that's oh it was it was amazing uh so that that episode will be live uh tomorrow um on the feed and the easiest way to find that because I don't name things well or know what SEO means go to tviestravis.com and you can find the feed for it there all right there you go because i put punctuation and stuff in the name which is just dumb that's trouble that's trouble well having you here's been great thanks man stay safe thank you for you see in the chat by now that was fun that was a lot of fun

you've never seen a west anderson movie no interest i feel like no interest you've got to go watch rushmore for me just do it for me desiree uh uh uh uh If you don't like it, I'll give you your money back. How's that? Yeah, do that. Or watch, I don't know. Once you watch one, you just keep going, dude. I love them all.

Yeah, I feel like Rushmore is the good. It's the good entry level that gives, you know, that's funny, it's quirky. For me, it's, I think I would start. Well, I don't know if I'd start with one of his animated ones is the thing. Yeah, those are better as a fan coming in, right? I think. And I think they're excellent. but I think maybe

Moonrise Kingdom is a good starter. Oh, that's not bad. I don't know. Maybe even this new one's supposed to be a... Asteroid City, yeah. Yeah, supposed to be as... The French Dispatch is good. Yeah, I enjoyed that.

If you like anthology stories, French dispatch is very good. Yeah, I feel bad. You should watch those. He's a one-of-a-kind voice. Like, you're looking... Oh, Tannen bombs? God, which one do you start with?

Yeah, Tannenbombs is great. But if you want something that's really unique, you're sick of the same old stuff he's your guy no one makes movies like this guy yeah oh unfortunately Rushmore is not

currently being included on the streaming service neither is Moonrise's Kingdom no neither is Tenen bombs Grand Budapest is on Hulu as you know that might be maybe

maybe you start with that one then oh French dispatch is on Max right and I think fantastic Mr. Fox also on Max I think. Yeah. Or maybe Prime.

I can't remember. Is it Max? Okay. But yeah, there's a smattering of them out there. Grand Budapest Hotel's very, very good. Yeah, that is really good. That might be where I'd say she goes first. Because if you like that, you'll love everything else.

And if you don't like it, that's okay too. That's right. I'll give your money back, Desrey. Yeah. Brian will give you all your money back. So maybe, yeah, Grand Budapest Hotel would be the test. It would be the Grand Buda test That's when you want to be a Buddhist monk

And you have to go through a series of tests You got to take the Grand Buddha test Yeah, take the Grand Buddha test We're going to do some news Which will be fun So here you go, everyone It's time for the news And it is brought to you by

Dirt Because sometimes an album is so good You never get sick of it Yeah, I realized yesterday Of all my 90s era music I think Dirt from Allison Chains is the one that holds up every time I hear it. I just never get sick of it. Even Rooster, which got overplayed at the time, I could listen to that right now.

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Anyway, if you're bored and you want to go back and check out why that was one of the greatest albums ever released, and you can handle a little bit of grunge in your life, check out Dirt. Mm-hmm. Yep. Burger King has a new offering in Thailand. We've been putting this one off for a few days. Yeah. It has no meat and 20 slices of cheese.

Any other, like, it's not even grilled cheese. Like, it is just, from the looks of it, it is just a, it is a bun, a bun and a bunch of slices of cheese between them. Like, no, A, no other toppings. and B, I guess it's melty. It is a little melty, right? But almost like it's room temperature melty. Like it doesn't look like it was just sit outside and the sun melty. Yeah, or it's, you know, we're in the middle of a hundred degree weather.

Somebody left it out on the porch. Because the bun shows no sign of heat. No. No, there is no heat in that bun. Yeah. Burger King is causing a stir in Thailand with its new offering. It is literally a meatless, nothing but cheese thing. The Thai operator of the fast food.

chain introduced what it calls a real cheeseburger. That's that they're calling it. I would argue there's no burger. So it's not a real cheese burger. It's real cheese. Yeah, that's it. Do you know where the cheeseburger was invented, Scott? Hamburger Germany. No? Don't multiple people claim it. This is like a controversial thing. Hamburg, Hamburg, I think might be the origination of the hamburger, but the cheeseburger was invented right here in Denver, Colorado. What? I can go get a bite of the Denver? Is that what you're saying? You can get a bride of the Denver. So isn't it, isn't it a, um, the hamburger part, though, or the original hamburger is like

that, that I think is the questionable like, was it Hamburg? I don't know. You know, that that's the, you know, that's the, the controversy is where was the actual hamburger invented, right? Yeah. So here's the, here's the evidence that we have. Okay. All right. Tell me. It suggests that the, sorry, either the United States or Germany and the city of Hamburg, hence the name, was the first country where two. slices of bread and ground beef patty were combined into a quote-unquote hamburger sandwich. And sold, that's important. There's some controversy over the origin of the burger because it has two basic ingredients,

bread and beef, and has been prepared and consumed separately for many years by both countries before their combination. Whatever that means. Shortly after its creation, the hamburger quickly included all of its currently typical characteristic trimmings, onions, lettuce, sliced pickles, and all of that. Let's see. Fast. I mean, we're king of fast food, so that doesn't count.

Hamburger's international popularity is a result of globalization of food, but most people believe, or it looks like it's just split. People think either hamburger or here. Hmm, interesting. I'm going to go with Hamburg just because it fits so, I love the name that it's like the, you know, the sandwicher. You know, basically, the roll of sandwich. Yeah.

Like, Iq benign hamburger. Yep. I'm benign hamburger. Well, if you're in Thailand, though, you've got to get this thing. It's $10.9. By the way. Oh, no, I'm sorry, $3.1.

Compared to the usual $10.9 for like a, I guess, a whopper or whatever. That seems surprising because I would actually think that that amount of cheese would be more expensive than the meat and cheese and just a regular cheeseburger. Right? Yeah. Feels like they're telling us this isn't. 20 slices of American cheese. Like this is just bad cheese, I guess. I don't know.

It looks bad. Yeah. I mean, all right, just imagining you open up a fresh pack of velvita slices or craft singles or whatever, are you eating 20 of those? Hell no. At once? Hell no. Hell no. Even this guy.

So they got this guy named M. Cheapich. He's a 25-year-old. I am a Jeep tech. I am a Jeep tech. What do you do? I'm a Jeep tech. I'm a Jeep tech. 25-year-old IT engineer said she loved cheese, but quix.

Quote, this was way too much, or this was a bit too much, she says. I could only finish half of it, wiping her mouth with a tissue. Quote, this is an insane amount of cheese added into one burger. Food is good when things are at the right combination, she says. That should be on a Gordon Ramsey T-shirt right there. Things are good when there is the right combination. It says here another customer echoed the view calling the cheeseburger too intense. I may not try it again.

I like a few slices of cheese on my burger, but not this much, she says, 26-year-old. I think this is just the laziest attempt to be viral about something. I don't think that anybody at Burger King said, people really like cheese on a cheeseburger, we're going to do this. But let's make sure not to, we won't tweet it or post it or do any sort of social media about it. It's just an attempt to be social media viral BS.

Do you think they have to work with corporate, which is here in the States when you're in Thailand with all that? wonder if they have their own plane you know they get their own like japan macdonalds always does stuff that seems completely only there right no one else right pizza hut same thing i wonder if they have a lot of autonomy with what they think is good guessing they yeah they probably don't they probably can do they can somewhat go uh off the rails they probably just can't like uh you know make the the the king mascot run around bottomless or something well now you're talking that's a marketing let's see you do some sneaking now yes that's not very well it's a different kind of sneaking i guess

i'm sure there you know i'm sure there's like a baseline they can't all of a sudden call it the whipper instead of the whopper or something like that you just the whipper the whipper the bk whipper better than fapper i guess yeah uh well anyway there's that die i wouldn't get it if i were you no no what burger did you get yesterday you went out for oh yeah yeah so we went it was very nice we went over to 571 again which is now my new favorite burger place i freaking love it there and they do stuff that if i was a drinker i'd try at all they have like whiskey shakes and crazy stuff so it's got a whole whiskey bar there but they the burgers are insane and they make these amazing waffle fries that just put all other waffle fries to shame really and i really shouldn't eat them

but i did anyway because they're so good anyway i get the basic one and you'd like not basic but the 571, they have a whole bunch of other ones like The Bonn Me and the one with the pineapple, I forget what they call it, just different kinds of peanut butter and bacon and all that. But this one is kind of Freddy's-ish. The patties are...

Oh, really? They do the patties that way. The thin with the crispy meat on the outside. Yeah. And that's why you always say whenever she asks, how did you like your burger done, it's never for that one. Because that one is always cooked that way. Gotcha. She'll only ask you if you get one of the other ones if you want medium rare, rare, whatever.

Yeah, I mean, with thin patties of meat, you really should not go rare. Yeah. And we went with Van. You really can't go rare because it's like, yeah, all right, well, it's just going to be a flimsy piece of meat that falls out on the sides. I showed up there and Van was there. And I didn't know they were coming. I didn't know the kids are going to be there. That was like a little surprise.

And he, I don't have it here to show the chat, but he drew a picture of me for my birthday. Oh. And I think I put it on threads or something. Twitter or something, but maybe Discord even, but what I want to do, let's see if I can find it real quick. What I want to do is make that a tattoo. Like that I would put on. Oh, that would be so cool.

I'd put that on my body so that, you know, 20 years from now, he can come to me and go, Pops. That'll be mean on him. How old do you think he's going to get in 20 years? That's a really, really good question, actually. I can't find it in here. Dang it. Well, anyway, it's this cute little thing.

It gave me spiky hair, which I guess I sort of do. Anyway, it was really cute. But food is great. Service is great. We love that place. If you guys haven't tried 571, you should. I guess they originated in Tacoma or Seattle somewhere. And they've got a few locations that are all heading east.

I hope you get one because you'll love it. It's really good. Yeah, I can't wait. I hope we do. We've been getting a lot of stuff lately that, you know, regional stuff. We're about to get El Pollo Loco's back here again the first time in a 20-some. years we had them in the 80s and in the 90s um but uh they disappeared about the around the millennium the the chicken finally got some help and was not as was not as loco it's really uh

finally spoke to a therapist and uh it's really good there i went there recent well not that recently but when i last went it was really good rotisserie style yeah i like that chicken so i think they've they've up to their game do you have slim chickens out there we do we have one near us over here. They're all right. Are they any good? Okay. I think their fries. I mean, not that fries determine everything, but their fries are kind of limp and lame, but their chicken sandwiches and stuff are good, and their wings are good. I did a direct meal piece for them, even though I haven't had the food.

I want to, but there's one way out by the airport, apparently. It's like, all right, well, next time I'm out there dropping somebody off for lift, I'm going to go to Slim Chicken so I can see the, try the food that I advertised in a direct meal piece. we had an incredibly nice service there once where they were just they were new and you know anytime something opens new it's stupid crowds and everything was this the place that was having their soft opening and let you guys in no that was chicks something chicks hot chicks shit what's that called over there something chicks huh oh uh something chicken and custard slit slim chickens that's another one.

Something, Slip, slippery chick, something like that. Well, this is just getting better and better the name of this restaurant. Someone will find it in the chat.

I can't think of the damn name. That one is also good. I think slippery chicks is going to be the name of this episode, by the way. Pumba chicks. Chicks. I like the other suggestions.

I like that. But they're really good. I just can't think of the damn name. Super chicks? No. Anyway, they're good though. Okay.

Here's the thing. Colorado story, folks. Get ready. Brian, you live there. This is going to be trouble. Okay. Nationwide trend. This is happening all over,

but it happened specifically at grocery stores in Colorado for this story. A trend of stealing laundry detergent from grocery stores. On the rise. On the rise, man. Who knows why. Just laundry detergent.

Like, we've narrowed down our kleptomania into just laundry detergent as a trend. Yep. It's a thing. So it's a nationwide trend of thieves stealing laundry detergent from grocery stores has made its way to Colorado with an incident last month in

Centennial. Where's that? Is that near you? That is way south of me. That is the opposite side of Denver from where I live, like way south and east. Got it. It says here, three men plus a bald podcaster are suspective of stealing hundreds. Oh, well, that's a weird. I didn't notice that line before. That's weird. Yeah, that's interesting. Why is that written in a different font? Almost looks like crayon. Why is that pasted on there? Like a magazine. It was cut out of a magazine.

Weird. Anyway, it says hundreds of dollars worth of laundry detergent at a Downy Unstopables and Wash. Oh, and Downy Unstoppables in wash scent booster beads. Sorry. Yeah, it's a whole name of a product

and it's a product name that drives me up the effing wall. I don't like it. Yeah, I don't like it. They spell Unstopables with 1P and I can't, I look it in the store. This is why I'd never steal it, because I'd never steal something that is so poorly spelled.

I love it. How did that get by anybody? You have standards. That's what it is. Yeah. If you say unstoppable, oh my God, that our new offense, the Denver Broncos offense is unstoppable. You would spell it with two peas.

Yeah. Why would you? And they spell it with one. I can't do it. This isn't like jazz where they put Z's there. Well, no, that is how you spell jazz? This isn't like, I'm thinking the other teams.

It's not like Grizzlies or Buzz. This isn't like Krispy Cream where they put K's in the for Krispy and Cream. There you go. Or Moral Combat with a K. It's like we... Exactly. It's not like a, you know,

an intentional misspelling to be clever. This is somebody type this. Four people looked at it. All of them, whatever. Yeah, it's dubbable's great. Yeah. I'm busy with this other.

I'm busy over here with our other Downey products that we make. Yeah. You've rattled the cage. You've pushed the button, Scott. We have. Beep. The Brian is irritated by a product name. Well, the getaway driver, that's according to the Arapaho County Sheriff's Office

on the evening of June 18th, driver Jorge Pentagio Panhoha. Panthoha. Pentoha? Hohey Pantoha. Has been arrested on the 28th of the misdemeanor charge of shoplifting.

Anyway, they're still trying to find suspects. He was stoppable. Yeah. And they have two other suspects. One named Robert, the other one named Bugsy. Come on. Bugsy. Oh, my God.

Come on. Yeah, you're going to go to the store, see? And you're going to find the, you're going to go down the laundry detergent aisle, see? Look for the misspelled downy, see. There's a wrong spelling, see. You'll know it immediately. They're booster beads. See, we need them, she?

Like, I would seriously print up stickers that spell on stopable correctly and go to the store and put them on the bottles just to just to fix them oh i love it you're like those guys that try to perpetuate the uh mandela effect for people yes the bee on the on the honey net shoe now what is it it was uh what was it was it was a bunches of o's with an apostrophe what was he was on the john wilson how to it he went and did it that's right i love that what the heck was it what the heck was it one of them was raisin bram with the sunglasses on the little sun icon he did that right right right yes and there were some other ones too but i love that oh my gosh i love that i'm not even i don't like pranks not a big fan bugs me youtube pranking freaking eff off and i want any

of it my life yeah yeah but what john wilson was doing was not really classified i don't think as a prank it was more of a i don't know if that guy's a genius whatever i can't i can't say a bad thing about john wilson i love him and i thought that new season was coming out it's it is but i thought it was like coming coming out but there's no new episodes I went and checked yesterday. I'll tell you the date. It comes out because I wrote it in our... We have a...

Teen I Keep an Apple Notes page that says when things come out. July 28th is one of the new season of Good Omen's comes out July 28th. The new season of Harley Quinn comes out July 27th. Futurama, July 24th. Good Lord. End of July. What we do in the shadows just came out. First episode of Justified Forbidden City, whatever it's called, City.

out, right? Under siege. Yeah. Comes out tonight. Oh, it's tonight. Kim and I are trying to figure out whether we're going to let it pile up or not. I know.

I haven't decided. I don't know. That's tough. Because I don't want to hate waiting for stuff. Oh, my God. You and I are watching the bear. We've got one last episode of season two left. There is an episode.

So basically, you remember when we talked to Wendy last week and she says, have you guys been watching the bear? And we both said no. And she says, oh, well, then I won't say anything. And she was about to talk about an episode of the bear. and I just saw that episode and holy poop holy poop is it stressful like anxiety tv or it's stressful but it's also like a oh it's a little flashback episode oh cool and oh my god oh that's oh that's that was so-and-so oh my god oh that's so-and-so oh that's this other person and

like they keep trotting out relatives showing up to this dinner part this Christmas dinner and it's like celebrity cavalcade it's a it's a night of a thousand star on that episode I need to catch up and see that I saw it I saw the first season I'm not sure I finished it but I Oh really? It wasn't because they didn't want to

I just I don't know Yeah Oh yeah you need to Uh Dr. Kelly says Do you like people yelling at one another For the whole time Then you will like that episode

You're not wrong A lot of yelling A lot of yelling but boy That episode This whole season has just been fantastic and you do if you didn't finish season one at least go back and watch the episodes from season one

just because it does set up what they need to do in season two you know they should do so since riders are on strike they can't get a third season going yet if it goes on for a really long time they can't do it the third season should just be a GoPro aimed at a bear. A video of an actual bear

just a bear hanging out in a room or whatever wandering or ran in a room with Leo DiCaprio oh now that now and he could But it has to be a bear of a certain age, I guess, right? Right. It has to be like 19, 20, you know.

And he needs to be, this can't be in the, you know, because he's a SAG member. He has, this can't be acting at all. Yeah, he can't act. No, he says to sit there and take it. I think you put him in the room with a bear. You're going to get some genuine, genuine reaction from Leonardo. He'll get Oscars for that shit. That's how that way.

Yeah, exactly. All right, we're going to do one more story here. Okay. Roller coaster, oh, this gives me anxiety. I don't like this at all. Roller coaster riders were trapped upside down for hours after a mechanical failure in Wisconsin. Oh. Yeah, dude.

This is one of my worst nightmares. Summer amusement turned into a serious nightmare on Sunday. Roller coaster malfunctioned midair, trapping eight passengers upside down for several hours. That's really bad for your blood flow. Several hours. Yeah. You give yourself an aneurysm or something. This is why you don't ride rides that are in.

Cole's parking lots, people. Like, you know, go to a legit amusement park. Yeah. Like this one. Like, this one does not sound legit. It's called the oscillating fireball. The oscillating fireball was just sliding down from its vertical loop at the Forest County Festival in Cranton, Missouri era, Wisconsin. There's no way that's a high-end, well-maintained, non-carney.

That is a parking lot carnival. That's a traveling. That's some minimum wage worker who's, says, wow, I still have 11 screws left, but it looks like it's all together. Yep. It looks like 15 minutes or so later. They got emergency

personnel there. They had to request special equipment, though. They have had special ladders and crap to get up there. Sure. So one truck with the capability rising over 100 feet took approximately 45 minutes to even get there. So they're just hanging upside down. All that blood rush into their head. That is like not good. That's all I can think of is the headache

from the blood. Yeah. It's not good for you. You could be, if you had certain risk factors, you're going to get a freaking stroke hanging there, depending on who you are. Yeah, and I'm thinking, I'm sitting there going, oh, my God, all right, what, you know, what's the next thing that's going to snap or break on this ride as I'm hanging there upside down? Yeah, I'd be freaked the whole time. I would hate it so much. Yeah.

I would probably attempt to pull my phone out and let people know where I was. I don't mean like, you know, Twitter. I mean like my mom or something. I'd pull it out and I'd do, but I would be one of those guys upside. I'm typing on his phone, hoping I don't drop it. I hope you don't drop your phone, exactly. All the change falling out of my pocket. Yep, yep, can't have that.

That's a bad scene. Off-duty firefighter was specialized rope. Rescue training happened to be at the festival at the time of the incident, helped out. Quote, due to the release mechanism of safety equipment on individual cars, all individuals in the car needed to be properly secured prior to release of the safety equipment. The complexity of that operation meant that the first of the passengers was not safely back on solid ground until 3.20 p.m., roughly two hours after the ride had gotten stuck. That sucks.

All right, so do you have the photo pulled up of this ride? Let me pull it up right now. I can give it to you really quick if you want it. Oh, I think they, oh, you hear this. Oh, my gosh, really? They're in the loop. Yeah, they're in the loop. Oh, yeah.

Now, now, which, so there's different stages that you're in the loop. There's the person on the far left who's at the apex of the circle of the, the apex of the loop, meaning he is hanging perfectly upside down. Right. But then you've also got the person in the very front of what I assume is the very front of the vehicle who is upside down but also forward. Yeah. Which person, if you had to be someone on this ride, where would you have preferred to be? I don't know, dude.

I think maybe there's six cars it looks like. I think maybe the middle car would be. best of both worlds i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i feel like i feel like i would rather than be the completely upside down guy i think i would be the front row upside down but kind of forward kind of forward you're you're getting more you're right you're you're getting you're going to at least get better blood distribution if not not a lot little right exactly but the guy up top and the one next to him i mean you're hanging you're like a bad you're you're hearing your heartbeat is what's going on if you're and then these guys these guys had to be careful when they unhook these dudes they have to they're gonna faint as soon as they stand up because all that blood's going back it's just what freaks me out uh two hours clear they were upside down what freaks me out is or what would freak me out if i was there is gravity should have been enough like what what stopped them at that specific point right a break

malfunction, a um, the tracking lining up, I mean, who knows? Because that, that is not a place where, oh yeah, well, uh, they just didn't get enough lift on the previous run and they didn't get, you know,

weren't able to complete the loop. I wonder if it has like a mechanism, if it senses a break of something, it has a mechanism. Maybe it just grip it. Like an elevator kind of thing. Yeah, or like they got like, uh, what would you call those? Like the little squeezer brakes, like break pads kind of yeah what do they call those

on elevators it's like that yeah like an elevator it's the thing that Elizabeth shoe kicked in uh invisible man

hollow man uh to send Kevin Bacon into the fire yeah the magical kick switch the magical elevator

release button that you can just operate with your foot on that movie dude yeah still not quite sure how I feel about that movie yeah

I guess it's come up a few times so maybe it means it was good I don't know yeah I think if you think about a film you think about a film enough, then that means it was successful in doing what it wanted to do.

I think that's the idea. Here's another idea. Taking a break and coming back after the break with more guests, we're going to do that. We're going to play a song and come back and listen to Bill Durand. We're going to talk to Bobby, do a little science today.

All these things are possible. If we can play a song first. So, Brian, you have a little bag, a little song bag there. I have a bag of song. We're going to listen to a band that's called Knockdown, but they get up again.

the Navy going to keep me down. This is another rocker. This is kind of a rocker week, actually. Probably more, if I'm going to label it more, it's probably like a punk rock punk. These guys are from Stockton, California. This is a brand new single from their upcoming Knockdown album, which is coming out fall of this year via Wiretap records.

God, I love Wiretap. They send me some excellent stuff. Here is the band Knockdown, brand new single, breathe. I'm sorry if I could you off. I had something to say. Not that I'm more important, but I'm leaving this place.

Sorry if I could you off. In between all this nonsense All the miles are just accents It's perfection whips and silence But it's what I want A lengthy mind You can trust my heart You can trust my heart

Will never die Because I have that You and I both know that it's all of sometimes A different world that I live in Never needed it to make sense Don't bother asking if one content It's perfection or it's silence

But it's what I want Never bar in a shed behind the eyes Could be told me hard to avoid Though I have it, you and I just know that it's all right sometimes. No, I have it. You in life but know that it's all right, yeah, I focus on what I can see. Can you see?

Can it save me? Take the first step and breathe. Just breathe. Focus on what I can see. Can it save me? Take the first step and breathe. brave Who am I

And why do I exist And who made me And what am I expected to do with my life I'm living next door to Gunga Den I'm living next door to Gunga Den And we've returned. Tell me who that was again. Sure. That's the band Knocked Down from their brand new single Breathe as a prelude to their upcoming album coming out this fall from Knocked Down. Nice. You're right about wire. Is it wiretap? Is that who is?

Wiretap records, yeah. Almost everything, whenever you say that, I think they're all, I've never, I can't think of a song I didn't like. Yeah, yeah. In fact, I'm true of most of the song you play. But those guys in particular, I always remember the name. Okay, we are, oh, I'm in the wrong place on Discord. Here we go. I'm going to add Bill to the call. Good old Billy Boy, Duran there. Let's see what he's up to.

We haven't had him for a bit because he was on vacation. We had stuff, good things. But he's coming in hot. Here we go. There's still something wrong, isn't there, Bill? Hey, look who it is. Bill Duran joining us as he does each and every Tuesday, all the way from Punish Props.com, located somewhere in the

Pacific Northwest. Hello, Bill. Welcome back. Hello. Good to be here. Hi. How are you? How was your time? I guess you had some family stuff and all that. How'd all that go? Everything good? That went great. Yeah. And then yesterday was my anniversary. Oh, happy anniversary. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I always forget. I always forget. Every year, my birthday lines up with your anniversary and I forget to say happy anniversary. So sorry about that. I'm going to fix that from now on. All right. We will always celebrate you and the union of your wife together forever. There you have it. Thank you. Good to have you here, though. What's going on in the world of makers so we can all feel inspired?

Oh, I have an exciting topic. One of my favorite topics when it comes to making. I want to talk about work holding. That's right. Vices, clamps, that sort of thing. Oh, literal work holding. Things that hold your work. Yeah, it's like a mental process.

I'm doing a little work holding right now. Tell me more because I have very few vice grips slash holding tools of any kind. here at the house. So this will be very educational for some of us. All right. So when you're working on stuff, you frequently find yourself in a situation where you need to take the thing that you're working on,

the piece, and you need to hold it with something other than your hands. Usually it's because you need this thing to be secured so it won't move while you're doing the work on it so you can use both your hands. Also, it could be a good safe practice, especially if the tool you're working with is like a chisel or something sharp that gets hit with a hammer.

Most injuries, I think, are chisel-related, and boy do you feel dumb when you are the one who uses one hand to drive a chisel into the other hand. Ow? I'm sure. That sounds horrible. I did that with an Xancto knife when I was a teenager, but I've never had a chisel in my hand.

That sounds worse. It's too blunt. So work-holding is the solution. And the whole idea is you use a tool to hold the work and then you use your hands to use the tool on the work so that you're not pushing a tool towards your other hand. And there are several places to start here. The first one is just a humble pair of pliers. You mentioned vice grips. Vice grips are awesome because they lock closed and hold the thing really tight.

Probably everyone's first bit of work holding. It was a nice pair of pliers. You can hold the piece with one hand, the pliers and work with the other hand and then you got this buffer in between the sharp tool in your hand keeps your hand away from the pointy end very important always and that thing pinches dude but growing up with my dad there was probably 50 vice grips in the house in the garage just always had vice grips oh really oh yeah vice scripts are great just everywhere and we would fiddle with them and once in a while you'd you'd think you're being funny yeah oh sure yeah crush a thumb why not

whatever I never say no to a good pair of vice scripts I've got actually a friend of mine was moving and he had a whole bunch of hand tools that he was just had to get rid of and I said take whatever you want I sorted through there and any vice script so I took them I just I know that I can use them you can use them as clamps you can use they're so handy yeah they're great there are a lot of a lot of other styles of pliers that are helpful everyone's probably got a pair of needle nose pliers right they probably came in those those Daily. Yeah, me too. Probably came in a kit of tools. There's some fancy pliers called, I don't even have these yet, they're parallel pliers. When you close them, the jaws stay parallel. So if you need to hold something that's flat, it grips both sides evenly.

So kind of like a vice where it, you know, you close it and they, that's cool. So you don't, you're not pinching one side. Exactly. Oh, you're all, oh, I see. I'm looking at one now. The way they, the, it's almost like a two acts. axes here so it keeps it flat that's wild that's yeah and the one you're looking at there Scott you notice that the jaws are brass yeah and that's a softer metal so it's used

for working so that it won't damage whatever metal piece that you're holding I got just if you got a piece of I don't know the aluminum or whatever something softer you want to have a softer obviously a softer set of pliers that's interesting oh yeah yeah and that so so if you're holding a piece of flat stock, that's how you would do it very securely with a pair of pliers. Another one that I really like, it's more of a specialized one and I have and I use all the time as engineers pliers. And the tip of the pliers are rounded so that you can hold round stock in them. So if you have to shorten a screw on your bench grinder, it'll hold the round screw securely sticking straight out the end of your pliers.

We have these. I have two or three of these. I wonder why I have these. Well, the very tip of it is what's different. Yeah, it's this weird, serrated, like, middle bit. But it looks straight on at the image you're looking at doesn't show the very tip of the, looking straight on the tip of it.

Interesting. Well, for whatever reason, every one of these is listed as engineers pliers. I swear, I'm like, totally. It's crazy. So those may not be exactly it. Oh, there's a scroll down. Was that it?

Go back down to the, um, there was a close-up that showed the curve. Yeah, maybe that one right there and that, why am I pointing? Stop, stop. Oh, yeah. Plus, I'm also looking at a delay. So I've like, yeah, it's not real time. But if, but this one right here, right? This one with the teeth.

Yeah, there you go. That one shows kind of the rounded end of it, that sort of thing. Yeah. Um, no, there's a, a concave bit sticking straight out the end. of it. Maybe I'm using the wrong term, but basically it's for holding around stuff at the end of it. Super handy. Another, another category are clamps. Clamps are so good. So this is a bit of a level up because you can use clamps to secure whatever you're working on to your table or your work bench. And then you can use both of your hands to work on the piece. Or you can hold a large

tool like a bench router or something like that or a hand clean. Or you hold a couple pieces together. that you've just glued together with cyano acrylide and uh what is cyanide what is that that's a cyanide acrylate acrylate it's a it's a glue that I finally found that is the the thing that works perfectly

for resin resin prints finally like I've found so many that are like oh try the super glue breaks off try this oh it breaks off but yeah CA glue cyanide that sounds good crazy glue

Most super glues are Sayana Reculate, and you can use that accelerant to kick it off and it'll cure it instantly. That's the good stuff. It's so good. Nice. So clamps are handy. There's a lot of different types as well. C clamps are kind of like the classic.

But recently, the squeezy clamps where you've, it's got a lever you pull and it slowly pulls the two jaws together. Usually it has like plastic or rubber jaws, So it's kind of gentle And the thing you're working on Those are ubiquitous now And if you buy something at Herbert Freight

You usually get one of those for free And they suck But But you get them for free Wow Is that what this is? The squeeze action clamp Well you may not see it for a second

But the It's got like a Oh I don't know what that is That's kind of cool That's a release in the middle That's a squeener piece It's like a C clamp Slash squeeze clamp

That's the male version of the clamp. The orange and black ones are the one I'm talking about. Oh, I have a ton of these. Yeah, I got these holding up green screens and stuff. Yeah. Yep, those are great. Squeeze clamps. Or the next to it are the ones that sort of have the lever that ratchets are closed.

Those are really good. Yeah. Oh, look at that. That's what I want. All of these clenks are really good. Why do we like this? Why even looking at this? Do I like seeing this stuff?

Because we feel like, oh, this is all I need to make that cool. thing that I need to learn. This is the missing piece. It's like primal in us. It's like built into our DNA to want to have cool tools, I guess. One's old Bessie. And it solves so many tools. Like you said, you can hold up your green screen.

It's a temporary solution that it can be permitted if you want. Use it to clip your phone onto a stand so you can take a picture of what you just made, too. There you go. My brother is a joke one time years and years and years ago. Put one of these on his nipple. Don't do it. oh no oh no no he did it because he thought it was hilarious like i can do it i can take the pain no no that's when your seat clamp turns into an yeah eclamp welcome to eclamp dot com

the last category i have here are vices and vices are like the the the the hulk of of work holding normally um the the normal kind of clamp would be like a bench vise right yeah and i have several of these. I actually lucked out. When I moved into this house, there were a couple of work benches in the basement. One of them had this big, um, old school Sears brand bench vise. And it is so cool. It's really useful. You screw those in, right? Screw them right into your table. Yeah. Yeah, you lock it down to your workbench. Um, you can rotate it usually. And then you spin the lever on one side and it just presses those jaws together. So my dad had one of these. I don't know. It'll take a sec for you to see this, but the

it was an air, the way it attached to the table was through suction. Yeah. And it had to be a metal table. Obviously, you can't do wood. It was just right there with that little lever. Yeah, I remember So the other cool thing about that one you're showing, Scott, is I have a couple like that that are made by the company

Panavice. It's for smaller things, models, and props and stuff, it's really good for it. And you notice that the base has a ball joint. It's got a ball and socket. Look at that. It can put in any configuration you want. Yeah. Yeah, so useful. You can rotate it around so that your work is at whatever angle you want it to be at.

Brian, this could be good for your minis and painting and stuff. Well, let me show you. I'm going to run and grab something. Take me eight seconds. Hold on. All right, eight seconds, everybody, eight seconds. It's that movie with the guy from 90210. How long can you stay on the ball?

Eight seconds, right? Am I remember that right? There was a movie with the, I can't think it was a name. But I swear there was a movie called eight seconds. Anyway. Eight seconds. You beat it. You did it in like six.

Nice job. Oh, did I? Yeah. This is, uh, this is, uh, this is, uh, this is my favorite little deal. This is, uh, like a third hand, but third, fourth, fifth, and sixth hand. Oh, yeah. This is like Dr. Octopus, uh, level action here, but it's like little, uh, little clippies. Dude, we got some stoners in the crowd that are going to want that on this.

I can smoke four blunts at once, man. That's awesome. But yeah, I use these for holding stuff that I'm spray painting or airbrushing or whatever and, and, uh, And then holding stuff that I'm painting. But yeah, you can, if you mount this on your chest, you're totally docked off. You're like, oh, I get your spread. Yeah, plus, you know what? All that overspray that's on that makes it look almost a...

Yes, it is so... This was silver when I first used. Actually, even the clips, you could tell, have been... That's a Fury Road looking business. I love it. Nicely done. So I have a set of those on my soldering station for holding wires and stuff where you're soldering them together.

So you always have to have two hands, one for the solder, one for the iron. and can't be holding your boards. Yeah. So handy. That's cool. All of these things are great. Great additions to any shop. Well, if you're filling out your tool box, everybody,

and you're looking for something to hold a bunch of shit down, good news. We just talked about a ton of them, and we hope you learned a thing or two. But we always like to leave people a little bonus link, a little something, something. What do you got there? Yeah. So speaking of vices, there's this guy runs a company called Fireball Tool, and he sells his own tool. These are like heavy-duty things for welding, and he made his own vice. It's this giant heavy-duty vices, and I want one.

And he decided to test it against some of the other heavy-duty vices on the market by putting it through this torture test. And it's crazy what he puts these tools through, the stress. He hammers on them with a giant contraption to see how much they can withstand, to see if he's built a vice. So the ones that he's testing it against are ones that have been around for a long time. They're kind of known for being the best.

And he designed his vice to be better. And he sets out to try and prove that by torture testing these vices. I thought it was absolutely fascinating. That's very cool. Also related to what we talked about today, which I always like. Absolutely.

Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. I could say it inspired this segment. You might say it. Well, that's great. Go check it out. His name again is Fireball Tool. Speaking of, we've said something about fireball.

Oh, it was the ride that people got stuck on, Brian, was called the Fireball. Anyway. The oscillating fireball. That's right. So, yeah, go, look at that vice. Good. Lord. Oh, yeah.

It's insane. That's wild, dude. That'll hold anything. Your victims, whatever. Whatever you need. Yeah, I'm by way too many of these things to hold my projects, but I guess it's one of my vices. Yeah. Nice and said.

Hey, you're always doing cool stuff and people should follow you on the place to get that. That's over at PunishProps.com and, of course, the Punished Props YouTube channel. If you haven't already done so, do so. Bill Durand, thanks for hanging with us and we'll see you next time. See you later.

That link, by the way, for you home listeners, you'll find it at quicktm.s. That sounds great. Oh, if you want to participate in half-asses and stuff, we talked yesterday about the link. It is now on the official site. So if you go to frogvance.com slash TMS, it's also there. So some of you already know other ways to get there, but it will link off there as well.

So go check it out. Only fill it out once. And if you've already filled it out, no need to fill it out again. That's right. Don't. Yes. What Brian said. Committed to memory.

Sight. Bob is hungry and the soup looks good. Well, let's just see how good. It's Bobby Frankenberger. joins us today. He's the true origin of the burger, which is great to have. Bobby is joining us. He does every Tuesday talk about a little bit of science, runs his own little science podcast, often has great deep thoughts about the scientific world and shares them with us here on Tuesdays. Bobby, welcome back to the show. Thank you for having me. That was quite an introduction.

Thanks, man. You're wondering when it was going to end and it finally ended. For some reason, you're slightly on the quiet. I have you maxed out, but you're kind of quiet. can you turn your deal up um yeah yeah let me increase her gain a little bit of gainage maybe maybe a little bit hey Brian you want to push that how's that is that too much get a little bit more just a tad more a little bit more how about that is that good that's pretty good maybe a tiny you gave us a two when we're looking for like an eight yeah tiny more or tiny less tiny more any more tiny more all right how about that that was my wrestling name tiny more for a long time Bruce Willis' youngest daughter's name.

Yeah. They're estranged, though. They don't talk anymore. They're very strange. That's good enough, I think. Hey, what's going on? What sort of science are we discussing today? I wanted to talk a little bit about what's going on on Mars and what's going on at NASA.

And one is great and then leads into some disappointment. Oh, so wait. So I'm guessing the disappointing thing is happening at NASA, not on Mars. Right? Correct. Not a lot happens on Mars, except for a little robot slowly driving around. Yep, that's true. Man, you know, you know what I think of sometimes?

I get into a mindset where I am in the point of view of that robot. What's the one that's wandering around now? Is it discovery? The lonely. The one we most recently sent up there is called perseverance. Okay, perseverance. I just imagine sometimes, I do this with other things. Like, I'll see a rock and a river, like a little stone.

And I won't think much of it. But later that day or at night, I'll think about what that stone's perception is right then. Like it's dark out. The water's rushing. You can hear that sound. He's just laying there. There's nobody else around. But what would that world look like to him?

I do this with the Mars rover sometimes. It's a weird brain thing I get into about inanimate objects being in a place where nobody is. It's the whole does a tree make a sound if nobody's there to hear it. It's kind of that esoteric kind of thing. I don't know why I think about it, but I do. Anyway, that's not important now. You're very empathetic, so much to the point you empathize with stones. Stones and rovers.

In a river. Yeah. And rovers that are so far away from me, I'll never see that. I'll never see that rover in my entire life. But I think about what it sees all the time. And I don't mean just the pictures it sends back. I mean, like, how was that little bump? What sound are you making while you move around?

Can anything else on that planet hear it that we just don't understand yet? Like, that's where my head goes at night. and that's why I don't sleep well, because I think about that shit on me. Yeah. It sounds like you, you've got a lot of things going on in your brain. Yeah, it's a mess. But anyway, I'm excited to hear about your hot takes here. So what are we doing with Mars and whatnot? So perseverance is on Mars right now, and it does, it's doing a lot of data gathering. Primarily the mission, the main mission of perseverance is to discover evidence of life. is to see if we can find evidence of life on Mars,

either current or past evidence of life on Mars. It's a god-awful small affair is what that is. I got that reference. It's a tall order, right? It's difficult to do because how do we know that we found evidence of life that's typically going to come in the form of some sort of like organic molecules, right? sure but one of the difficulties with that especially with a rover is that we're not there to physically test the sample so you have to you're limited in how you can test the samples and it's just it's tricky it's you can't go through a bunch you don't have a full lab there to like separate different parts of the sample you don't have people taking the look at it like you've just got what's in place on the machine right um so one of the instruments that they do have on there is called

Sherlock. That is an acronym for scanning habitable environments with Raymond and luminescence for organics and chemicals. Good Lord. Yeah, exactly. That's a lot. They love their

acronyms over there NASA. NASA itself is an acronym. So, yes, so the whole point is that it's a, it's a, it's a, it's, it basically takes rock samples and it shoots UV light at it. Mm-hmm. And it does more than this. I'm very, I'm simplifying it. In case the person who designed this is listening and is angry.

It does so much more than that. You're not telling the whole story, Bobby. Yeah, TMS. That's what the guess sounds like, right? Yeah, of course. TMS is real big with the aerospace community, I'm sure. I'm sure they're all listening. So, so it shoots UV light at these, uh, soil or regolith or rock samples.

samples from Mars and it's sort of like cause it it does excites the the molecules it gets them excited and then it causes them to fluoresce which means it causes them to shoot light back out after you shoot the UV light at it got it and they can look at that fluorescence and and read it with their instruments to determine some general information about the chemical composition of what they're shooting the UV light at it's not very specific though right um But you can maybe get, like, an idea of the types of chemicals that are fluorescing certain light. You can get spatial information about, like, in this sample, maybe you have a rock. What part of the rock is fluorescing different kinds of light?

And that tells them a lot about not just the types of chemicals that might be in it, but also how and when they might have been deposited. Like, if they can determine spatially that there are layers, like maybe there's less of a, of a, the, a certain chemical type is less abundant in a certain part of the rock and more abundant in another part that can just give them information, right? Do you have, so would, if you, if the rover was driving over the top of a family of sandworms, little, little buggers, we don't, we don't know about yet, not like big due ones, but like little baby ones. Oh, gotcha.

Smaller than tremor size? Yeah, I'd say like, you know, let's say it's the size of a lizard or something. Okay. And it's just holding perfectly still because that's, it's a. instinct and this thing rolls over it and aims its little UV light at it, would that bounce back UV luminescence study, whatever, would it come back with information saying, oh, check it out, we found a lizard or something? Like with that, is that even Mars worm? It definitely wouldn't. It definitely wouldn't be that specific. Okay. Because even with what we did find, because there's news

behind what I'm telling you that Sherlock did. And what it is is they did find signature. of potential organic material. Okay. But there's a lot of maybes in that sentence, right? Potential, like, signatures of potential organic material, or even the word material, organic material, doesn't mean that it's, that it's an actual organism. It just means that it's compounds that are very common in life,

as we know it on earth and then it's only potential organic material because we only know so much like it's basically what they're saying is they're pretty I will say that they're pretty confident that this is

that this is signals from organic material from organic compounds but there is a chance that it could be something else that technically the type of signal that they're getting from Sherlock could come from a very specific type of salt called a serium salt, but it also could

come from a bunch of other types of organic materials. So the odds are that it came from an organic material, since there's a lot more of those that could give them this signal than this one specific serum salt, right? And when I say organic materials, let me go ahead and say that. That doesn't mean like tissue or bacteria or anything like that. That means things like carbon and hydrogen and organic compounds that are found in life, right? Right. It's lots of exciting things with lots of potential. They even found with the spatial information that there are the deeper layers of the sample that they're looking at had less organics

and the shallower layers had more organics, indicating that there's been a different amount of deposition over time of whatever this material is. So that's interesting information. The problem is we need to get those samples and retrieve them and actually analyze them. Mars is very far away. We've never had people go there,

so it's unlikely that we're going there to get them. But perseverance was sent as part of a larger mission that would eventually, hopefully, and NASA is currently working on this, sending a, what they call the Mars sample return mission, or the MRS mission, and they're going to send a whole like space station with automated rocket drones, and if you remember, they sent like a helicopter drone to Mars that was very successful in being able to fly around, and so they're going to send another one of those, and they're hoping. to retrieve all of these samples. Perseverances going around tanking samples and dropping them up into vials, these sample containers, and then dropping, depositing them all over the surface with information about where they are. So we want to be able to go up and retrieve them.

So here comes the part. Here's the bad news. That is, this is the bad news. Oh, crap. And that is that the U.S. Senate has cut the NASA budget for the Mars sample return mission, and they're threatening to cut it even more, maybe take away all the money that they have for it. That's the sound.

That's the video game equivalent of the sad trombone, right now. So wait a minute. So can they do that without us saying something? I don't know. Yes, yes. The budget, we do not vote on the budget. Yeah, that's true. It probably would be a bad idea if we voted on the budget.

We vote on representative. who will then go and make decisions about the budget, right? Yeah, that's true. And the NASA budget is always in contention. They're always fighting for what money they have. And for a while, they were getting a lot of money. And then for some time, they were getting not very much. And then they were starting to get more again.

NASA has asked, for 2024, every year they have to ask for the money and it has to be budgeted, right? For 20249 million dollars for this mission. And the Senate offered just $300 million. Really? So less than a third of what they asked for. And they've even threatened to take that much away. They said, one of the committee members said, quote, the committee has significant concerns about the technical challenges facing the Mars sample return mission

and potential further impacts on confirmed missions even before MSR's completed preliminary design review. Basically, they're saying, we're not really even sure that this is going to be possible. so their take isn't it isn't just government big government it's just them saying we don't think you're even going to get these samples back and so this is money we're just throwing down the toilet right and i wanted to talk a little bit about it because you can i think a lot of people if they did read this news they might think well what does the senate know you know and and NASA's trying to do this great thing trying to discover life on mars and and we've even sent something up to get these samples expecting to be able to return them and now you're just going to cut the budget in the middle of it um this happens but it's also more complicated than than just the senate saying like we don't want to spend money on nerd science um it's it's actually kind of complicated um what they're saying is that they're going to the 300 million that they're willing to give them right now is potentially able to be rescinded also if they can't provide a guarantee

that the total cost of this mission will not exceed five $5.3 billion, which is a tall order because, so I was reading about this on Ars Technica, and they said that they're reporting that internal discussions at NASA are talking about how the costs could reach $9 billion for this mission. It's very expensive. They've already spent $1.739 billion to date on this mission. Yeah. When you think it sounds like giant numbers compared to others.

there's shit in the budget. It's not at all. It's really nothing, you know? It's nothing. It's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, um, there, we definitely spend a lot more money on other things. But importantly, and this is why this is an actual difficult question and why this is something that they're seriously considering and why there are experts opinions being given to the committee that's the budget committee that's, that's, that's, that's making these decisions is that the Mars sample return. mission is not the only thing going on at NASA, right? There's a lot of science and a lot of astronomy that happens at NASA, not the least of which is environmental science, which is very important right now, like about getting information

about climate change. And there are a lot of people inside and outside of NASA that are very concerned that this MSR, this Mars sample return mission could, could siphon money. away from all the other projects that are going on at NASA and so some people are saying that you really it might be if if doing this mission will mean that we have to put on hold all the other science and astronomy that's going on right now I mean we've been doing making some amazing advances in astronomy I just recently talked about gravitational wave stuff right yeah if we have to put all of that on hold just to do this

one mission, then it might not be worth it. And that's what they're talking about, is that it might not be worth it to do this, especially considering the end result of this Mars mission might be that we don't find anything. Right. You know what I mean? Right. So there's a lot of like this risk involved. I think, I think, I think all things being equal and unlimited resources, I think many people would say it's worth the risk and time and energy put into it. Yeah. But maybe not in a world where the budget is a zero-sum game, you know, where you've got, to get more money into it, you have to take it from somewhere else.

Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, I kind of understand. And your description has given me more perspective on it. Because my monkey brain initially said, well, what's wrong? You know, we ain't spending no more money on nerd science. Like I had that in my head.

And I know it's always more complicated than that. obviously in this you know their their reasoning is actually you know if they get a they get a bucket of rocks back that are nothing but rocks or the samples that they thought were something are just turned out to be a different slightly different colored piece of sand or whatever i'm sure there's some value in those even in those basic retrievals but they're not going to be what they wanted so they have to hope right i don't know how i don't know how you get around it i mean the rovers themselves would have to be a lot better at knowing that they had a thing that was extremely valuable to send back and then the risk

would be less? You never know and Mark in the chat makes an important point which which is an important point that no matter what we find from the Mars stuff whether we find life or not it's still important information for science

very very importantly science is not all about the cool discoveries it's also about the failures right those are just as important if not more important so this mission the information we could get from this is useful it's just is just do we want to put all these resources into this very expensive difficult to do project um at the expense of all the other

things that are that are easier to do right now and just as exciting maybe yeah um and and and i don't know also if if we don't go back and get it right now those samples aren't necessarily going anywhere. We could just wait a while and revisit this later, you know, and try to get them maybe in 10 years, maybe 20 years, maybe 30 years, who knows. Is there a time, is there clicking clock on how long they can rely on what they need out of the rover to do this? Like, I don't know about that, but the rover doesn't have to like maintain the samples. It actually just drops them on the surface. So they're just on the surface.

So as long as there aren't like Mars avalanches or some. You're buried. Yeah. Or some very, very unlucky meteor strike directly on top of one of these samples. Really strong, focused wind. We're so, we're such litter bugs, man. Like, I realize these samples, they're not really litter. Leaving golf balls all over the moon.

It's like putting a flag up. to imagine perseverance just going around and just taking dumps all over. Well, that's super interesting. I hope, part of me hopes they can figure out a risk analysis that makes it worth it. You know what I mean? That's a lot of what they do there is risk analysis. So I'm sure they're figuring it out. And I don't think anybody there, even the people inside NASA saying that we should not do it, I don't think anybody there,

is happy with that. Everybody wants to get it. So I think even if they have to say we pull the budget on this right now, while that's very, very disappointing, I'm sure they're going to be constantly talking about coming back to it. Yeah. And one day, you know, we get all Star Trek on this and we finally, everyone finally dawns on them that money means nothing.

That we've all, it's a made up construct and that we just all agreed that it was worth something. We can get there, have the dumb war that'll have. happen with it, right? Have the big, dumb slaughtering of a hundred million people or whatever happens from the complete collapse of economic ideas. And then we reset, just like Star Trek, the Vulcans find us, we move on, we bring the samples back, whatever. We got to go that way. That's the direction we need to go. Sure. Where money means nothing, right? Well, so, and that's, that's great in utopian, and I agree with you. But there's always going to be some kind of an economy,

an economy of resources, you know, because we don't have, we don't have unlimited resources, but the resources may be able to stretch a lot further if in 50 years, say, we have a bunch of much better technology that can get us there a lot more easily, faster, safer, stuff like that. Yeah, well, we just print money anyway, that's how this stupid crap works. Well, all right, then, this is fascinating. I hope they work it out and, you know, get to bring back those Matt Damon potatoes somehow. So get out there. Shit potatoes.

Shit potatoes every time. So Bobby, always interesting stuff. You'll probably talk about this and more stuff over on your podcast. Tell people about it and where they can get it. The podcast that I do every week is a science podcast called All Around Science. Moore and I talk about whatever's going on in science, whatever we find interesting. Right now, I told you last week we were doing a four-part series on the four fundamental forces. We just started, or this one that just came out yesterday is about the strong,

force, which is the nuclear force that holds all of the atoms in our body together and keeps them going. The interesting thing is it's all made, it's all works with what's this cool kind of force called the quantum

chromodynamic force. It's a color force. Whoa. Green lantern. We just watched green lanterns. It definitely is, I know. Green and yellow, man. Forks at their core have not just an electromagnetic positive and negative charge, actually have a color charge that is that makes all this possible oh those sneaky bastards you

know uh fascinating if you want to if you want to learn about that going over to all around science and uh and get that and um yeah wherever get your podcast baby uh bobby always good to having you on uh may your week be full of receiving samples from a place far away by now all right yeah my t-shirt vendor uh gives me a color charge really Well, they give you a, let's see, do you have to do spot or do you have a cyan, a magenta color charge, a yellow color charge. Yeah, they charge you for the whole CYMK. I know how they do. The whole four color process, bastards.

I miss spot color. It was nice and boring, you know. Yeah, but those t-shirts last longer when you do the screen printing, they say. They say. Yeah, is that true? I guess it depends on the process, right? Like some of it's the crispy ones that are like kind of, stiff on the shirt those always crap out but the ones that feel like they're meshed

they're like they're like ingrained in the shirt yeah that's the kind of spend my money i still need to do man matthew sergeant did some great artwork for me two three years ago he's pretty he's gonna say it's been five years Brian um uh for a t-shirt design I still need to get those things printed that guy it's coming soon he is a he is a talented mother of he is he is pisses me lessor Is he in the chat today? He probably is. He might be. Oh yeah, Bobby says there are cyan magenta and yellow charges to anti-quarks.

Isn't that there's also up, down, there's like another weird quirk, six configurations of quarks I used for a guest the connection early on. Oh, really? It was like charm. Oh, man, we're going to have to talk corks sometime. Quarks are fun. Quarks are fun. Yep. They run bars in a space station.

They're great. Strange, that's right. Up down, strange, yeah. Up down strange. That's my short. It's my shortcut for the Konami Code. Up Down Strange. That's going to do it for today's show.

We got a parting thought via text from a listener named Laundry Sent. We've heard from him many times. He says this on TMS. I'm not saying this is a good idea, but I'm surprised I haven't seen a time loop movie about someone with short-term memory loss, laundry sent. I would argue that 51st dates is a time-loop movie about someone with short-term memory loss. And Randy just talked about it. It's a time-loop movie for everyone else except for the person with short-term memory loss

because they're experiencing the time loop for that person. Oh, gotcha. Okay. You know what? I haven't seen the movie, but that sounds right? That sounds like it would be that. We talked about it last week with Randy when it was his recommendal. And the fact that Laundry Sent doesn't remember it maybe means he has short-term memory loss.

Memento doesn't count, though, because Memento's about, there's no time travel. I mean, I guess he kind of has a short, because every time he wakes up, he's like, where am I? You get the internal dialogue, Guy Pear's dialogue, where am I? Yeah. Okay, there's a mirror, there's a doll, I think this is, and then he sees the thing, you're in your hotel room. Oh, I guess I'm in my hotel room. Yeah. What am I doing here?

You're looking for the person who killed your wife. Oh, I'm looking for the person who killed my wife. Yeah, no, he has short term. memory, but there's no time travel. There's no real time loop. Only just this wake-up routine is kind of short-term memory loss. Or time loop, yeah. I'm in the mood for Groundhog Day.

I haven't seen that in so long. I love that. Oh, really? I was going to say, I'm in the mood for Memento. Yeah, that too. We're about to get a big old pile of Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer, this weekend, right? That's right. That's right.

I'm going to, I've mentioned this before, but my recommendal tomorrow is actually going to be a meh commental about a time loop movie that I really had hopes for, high hopes for, watching it in preparation for my big film sack bonus episode all about time loop movies. Mine's all about taking a plane over. That's all I'll say about that. Taking a plane over. There's even a word for taking a plane over. God, is this, boy, I sure hope, I'm trying to figure out a way to work Luther into this.

No, that worked. You can find a way. Taking a plane over the rainbow bridge by chance? Um, kind of. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. It's really good.

I'll talk about it tomorrow. Um, yeah, let's see. Rob Walsh also just put this on Patreon while we were doing the show. Mm-hmm. You guys are wrong about Kiss. That is all.

Rob Walsh, like the, uh, the, the, uh, the, podcast 411 guy? I don't know if that's him or not.

OG podcaster Rob Walsh. Holy cow. I can't imagine that that's the same Rob Walsh. you're wrong about us being wrong about kiss that is all yeah that is all no i'm kidding i'm kidding you know what i i i pat anybody on the back who likes kiss not pat him on the back but i respect everybody's right to love kiss and um watching them live is is definitely the way to it to i think to enjoy the band kiss

watching their live videos concert videos yeah it's like guar why would you go to a why would you enjoy guar on just see you ds you have to go exactly exactly right like nobody cares about that band there's a lot of bands like there are a lot of bands like that that i think are better live better performance so like like ghost is good on any format but i'll bet you seeing ghost live is like an amazing thing yeah yeah so i think kiss is just there they're rungs down in quality of music but the live aspect i think is still a big deal i almost disowned uh hammond this weekend when he told me that he only likes one muse album.

Oh, my lord. Like, what? Why? How is that possible? I don't know. I think they were like one of the most consistent bands out there. You can play a song and probably have no idea which album it's from. Like, how is one album okay and the others aren't?

It's crazy. Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't just curb stomp him and leave him there, you know? Well, we were actually at the Dream Theater concert and, uh... Oh, no curbs. I felt like I couldn't just ditch him there. Well, that was a good thing to do as a friend, I guess. that's it for the show. Big thanks everybody for supporting us on Patreon.

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You get other monthly benefits, daily benefits even, no commercials ever, pre-show content every damned day. and it's all possible because you guys support us at patreon.com slash TMS. Big thanks to everyone who does. That is going to do it for today. I just have to assume you have a cover request. I do. It's a little tribute that I learned about this, by reading this tribute, and it kind of makes me sad,

but also wants me to congratulate somebody on a job well done. September wrote in and said, after seven great years, the curtain falls on the geek grills podcast. I'd like to thank all my co-hosts, The Jen, Lunessence, Linda, Mad Cat, Miscellaneous, Ray Rayano, and Amy Redfraggle and Jackie Hearn for subbing in when we needed. I'm proud of what we made, and I encourage anyone out there with an idea for a show to go for it. So, congratulations on a job well done. Geekrills is a great show. Yeah, been around for a very long time.

Yeah. Her request is a song that we found a couple great covers of for her, and the one that she suggested is what I'm going with. This is a song originally released and written by Kathy Matea, Guy Clark, had a big, was probably the best known performer of it. But Jerry Jeff Walker, who we probably know for Mr. Bojangles, as well as other things, recorded this version of it for his 2001 album, Gonzo Stew. a song all about following your dreams and it's called The Cape. Here's the Cape. We'll see you guys tomorrow for a Wednesday edition of the show.

Be safe and we'll see you then. Well, he's eight years old. He's got a flower sack cape tied all around his neck. He's climbing. Coming up on the top to grind So he's a figure in what the heck He screws his courage up so darn tight

That the whole thing coming well Gotta run his start and bless his heart He headed for the ground Because he's one of those Who knows his life is just a leap of faith Gotta spread your arms and hold your breath And always trust your cake Well, he's all grown up, he's got a flower sack,

he's out all around his dreams. He's full of this sand vinegar, eye, he's busting at the seams. He licks his finger and he checks the wind. It's going to be do or die. He wasn't scared of nothing, boys. He's pretty sure he can fly. But he's one of those who knows his life is just a leap of faith. Got to spread your arms and hold your breath and always trust your cave.

Now he's old and gray with a flower sack cake tied all around his head. And he's still jumping off the garage and will be till he's dead and all the years the people said the fool was acting like a kid and since they didn't know he couldn't fly well of course he did because he's one of those that knows his life is just a leap of faith you got to spread your arms and hold your breath and always trust your cake

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