The Morning Stream - TMS 2516: Big Deck Energy

Episode Date: August 31, 2023

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No more, no less. Hardcore porch piracy. He is six foot huge. Just rub a pepper in it. Getting in the noticing and the whatnot with Wendy and more on this episode of the Morning Stream. I'm down here in the his house.

You know, the hezy with the GC posse to get the 411 on Game Crazy. I just heard about they're going to jack a load these pokey men. caught. The morning stream. We're not toys. We're action figures. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to TMS. It's the morning stream for August 31st, 23 last day of the month. I'm Scott and that's Brian. Hi. Hello, Scott. Yeah. How's it? Phil to be at the end of another speedy month.

The end of the month, as we know it. And I feel fine. Do you feel fine? Good. I feel fine. Redfrag will just remind me that she's prepping for DragonCon, which begins today. Oh, right. I'm going to ask you.

Obviously, you know, Atlanta on Labor Day weekend and it's scorching temperatures. But if they ever said, hey, we'd love for you guys to come down and do a live TMS. here at DragonCon and we'll take care of your your hotel would you do it yes would you yes wow no no heartbeat no

not even a hesitation oh yeah no I don't mind if they if they said yeah I mean if they were like hey well we'll you know here's your flight here's your hotel you know they basically do like blizzcon press level attention or whatever you know they just get us in yeah hell yeah I'd go to that I'd do a lot

thing I happen to know I might make this happen for 2024 do you know I've done away still does stuff for them or is he not he's not he doesn't do know the guy who does he's a guy that i did a Pokemon go show uh with for quite some time oh charles mcfall right charles mcfall and he if he basically was like hey would you come down and do a live coverville could i could we get you to and because he's now heading up the uh podcasting thing there swoopy gave it to done away and uh and Nicole and then they gave it to make fall i didn't know uh oh yeah swoopy you to be, that's right. Man, this goes way back.

Some of these. The skepticality podcast, I know. Remember them? She was fantastic. She was fantastic. Yeah, she's great. Her partner on that, remember he had that stroke, but then it's totally fine now. And I'm trying to remember if I feel horrible because I can't remember his name. Craig? It was something, oh, shit, I should know this. I should know this

too. And it was a real bummer because I remember the year. God, I know. The year it happened was the year that they got shown up on stage where Steve Jobs is talking about the new podcast director. So it may have been like, six or oh seven and yeah he that night he had that that stroke that's awful man I feel oh my god she uh she was the very first podcaster I met outside of the outside of the two local Denver podcasters so that very first podcast um podcast expo in Ontario

California in 2005 five five may have been five Um, uh, Tina and I fly out there. We get off the plane at the, uh, lovely Ontario airport, the inland valley of California. And we're on the bus, um, uh, from the, uh, I guess it just went right to the hotel. There was like a shuttle that went right from the airport to the, the hotel. There was no reason for us to get a car out there. Yeah. And, um, and we see this person, she's got like, uh, um, stickers on her.

suitcase that somehow I think it was like a microphone sticker or something that makes sense um might have even been like a daily source code sticker and I said oh are you a podcaster and she's like I am I do this show called skepticality do you do are you a podcaster I said yeah I do I do a show called coverville we both kind of geeked out or for each other for the rest of the ride she was always very nice to talk to a very kind person I liked her a lot um Derek Collian, or Colin Duno. Derek, yeah, Colin Duno. Yeah, that was the guy.

They haven't done an episode. See, they started in 2005, so they're old timers. Yeah, yeah. And they haven't done an episode since 2019. I don't know if it ended or if there's some sort of could be like a, you know, maybe it's just on hold. I don't know. I don't know what the deal is, but, yeah, these are one of the, like the OGs.

They're OGs, yeah. And I remember when they got that thing on stage, it was like a huge boon to their, to their stuff. So they ended up getting like, you know, all these new interviews. They ended up doing Neil deGrasse Tyson. They had like MythBusters dudes were on there. Bill and I was on there. Oh, that's cool. It was awesome. Anyway, the heyday of early podcasting, everyone. We remember it. Do you? Do you remember podcasts? They're back. They're back, man. Did you hear? I don't know if you heard this, but because all those late night night talk show guys are going to do a podcast until the

strikes over? I got, yeah, I've subscribed to it. I haven't listened to the first episode. yet. But as soon as I saw this, I'm like, oh, my God, I've got to listen to this. Yeah, I kind of want to check it out. I'm annoyed, though, because there's a little... Strike Force 5. There's a little talk around, oh, they're going to revive the medium. It's like, come on, you guys. Oh, thank goodness. Thank goodness we'll have the medium saved. Once again, you know, first Ricky Jervais saved the medium and then Joe Rogan saved the medium and then... Yep. Every once in a while, someone comes in and just saves it, you know? They just keep saving it.

And so thank goodness for the four late night competing talk shows for saving it once again. Hey, whatever. Rising tide lifts all boats. I agree. I think it's fine. It's totally fine. And, you know, we are in our own little big unit here. And so we might not realize that, you know, maybe podcasts outside of the ones that we produce that are all kicking butt, maybe stuff outside of our little microcosm isn't doing as well. Could be.

We don't know. we're blind to the problems of all the other people in this business we don't know we don't pay attention we're too busy making great content ourselves all right that's right stoog squirrel yes I said in our own big unit do you not get the reference come on

you didn't understand the big unit here I'll play it and remind him hold on this is always a fun thing to be reminded of uh let's see here this is the one nope that's not it let's try this one okay boy the best part is here it is I found it Scott Johnson's got quite the unit.

Remember that? Do you guys remember that? That's what we're saying. They were looking at the podcasting map of 2020 or something. And earlier than that, 2015. Yeah. And showing like all the shows and the little connections that people have to other podcasters. Yeah, they were like little media bubbles and the bigger your picture.

And then also how much stuff orbited you represented your, I don't know, your impact or your influence or whatever. And we, turns out. we had a pretty big bubble we did yeah bigger than i thought that surprised me apparently mine didn't have my last name on it but uh my bubble well it did it just was spelled four different ways and you know brian abber abers person did your bibitspan man that's the best thing ever i think that's an amazing thing just you know you'll go to your grave with this amazing leo thing it's just great i will yes i have you know what if i can uh if i could get two or three more mispronunciations of my name before I die from Leo, then I'll feel like I've made it

in this world. That's right. And never forget, your unit can influence people. You know, you have a unit. Use it for good, not evil. It will make my entry in the New York Times crossword puzzle very difficult because people will try to fit Ibbotson into a six-letter. Oh, my gosh.

Into a six-letter space, but, you know, whatever. Will shorts people will be in touch with you soon. Please, yes. Please call me well. Watch for that. Call me well. Give me a call, buddy. right check this out i got a question this is a ethical question oh i love it all right i don't know if we're

going to be able to answer it on the air if not we'll have somebody tell us in fact i'm going to leave the text line open so this isn't for voice calls but if you guys want to text what you think the answer to this is while we're on the air i'll read your text in real time but here's the deal so i'm a little concerned that rayner you know we had the surgery to remove her tumor My dog, Jim Rainer and a female dog. She had a tumor in her leg. Turns out it was cancerous. They took it out and said, oh, she's clear now.

Well, since then, she's been kind of a mess because something about the surgery, the anesthesia, just the experience of it, the shock of it maybe, I don't know, has given her like a weird skin thing that is just like nasty and awful. Like rash, like a rash kind of thing? More like, it's like, you know when Game of Thrones when they got the weird gray disease? the scale oh the scale is it called gray scale gray scale or am i just thinking that that's you know my choice in Photoshop on your

mode I think it is the gray scale right it's like dragon scale but they called it gray I think they call it the gray scale but that's funny second guessing myself the RGB or RBG that's right red green blue anyway so

she she's got this horrible thing on her that's fine we can deal with that we put creams and wash her hair do all this. She's getting older. Her breed usually, her breed somewhere between 10 and 12 years is their life expectancy. She's now at, she's eking up on 10. So she's getting older. She kind of limps around. She's getting great. You know, she just is a dog that's older. She's in, in, yeah, in dog years, she's pushing 70 or something. I don't know what it is. And, you know, love her to death, my favorite animal in the world, just love her. I think she has a new tumor growing.

oh no because the other day i noticed you know you're checking your dog for stuff and i'm checking her ribs and i can tell there's some off symmetry and i can fill a little lump on the on the one side now you know maybe benign it may be nothing but could even be a fatty like the fatty pockets all the time yeah he was my favorite actor in the 20s the silent fatty fatty pockets until the scandal yeah until he got oh talk about cancel culture we don't bring up the the fatty pocket scandal we don't bring up the the fatty pocket scam No, that guy went places. But anyway, so we're a little bit worried about that.

The other thing the doctor said was a sign is that if your dog is constantly thirsty, that's a sign that maybe it's coming back. You know, she goes out and barfs a lot. She just kind of, you know, not doing, she's, she's okay. She doesn't seem like she's her full self. No, she's not in constant pain or anything, but she's definitely, you know, she's not what she used to be. Anyway, all this being said, if it comes down to it, and I'm not at all prepared for this because I'm so attached to this dog, but when it comes down, you've done this recently, so this is why I'm asking you, when you are faced with that situation where you know that it's time, that agrees, all that stuff, here's my question. I know some people who have done the euthanasia of a dog of a pet in their own home, not with like a gun to the head or anything like that, but like. Oh, geez, Luis.

I know. This isn't in the Old West, you know. We're not doing... Why would you even say that? Well, because I looked it up, and it's legal to do that if you want. It is. Oh, really? What you mean?

It's legal to do the gun to the head? Oh, yeah. You can shoot... Oh, God. There is a humane method of... It's basically old... Anton, you get to flip a coin before you do it? Jeez.

It's like old... It's like Old West style. My horse broke its leg. Yeah. Put it out of its misery for you. Yeah. It's probably more for the... probably more for horses than for cats and that's what i thought well it just it claims it's legal but

anyway i'm not even anywhere near wanting to ever do that but here's but here's my question i know a couple of people who talked to me about what they did and they made they kind of had a more ceremonial goodbye to their animal yes yeah and then they and the and the dog was in a very you know in a comfortable place like a place they're familiar with right and they got to they got to have even like a last meal their favorite food like steak and stuff and they had a the way they did it was, I think, a load of ibuprofen or something. Or no. Oh. Wait, did they have a professional come in and do it?

No, and that's the question. So when they did this and told me this, I'm like, that sounds odd. And I went and looked online, it says, yeah, there are ways to do it at home. And here are the legalities. And legalities are, it can't be cruel or unusual. It can't be this or that. But basically, they did, here's what they claim. they did it with

these pills that put the dog to sleep and then they just don't wake up and it's no different than if they went to the place and got the shots and I said well it is a little different

you're administrating it like it feels like taking it away from a professional is a weird thing and they said well not really this is sort of you know they do exactly what you do

the only difference is I guess the difference is you shell out money but the other differences I guess you're, it's out of sight, out of mind. You don't have to be the one to quote unquote pull the trigger or to inject the shot. And so they're like, oh, we just loved it. It was a humane thing.

And we really, you know, I'm so glad we did it this way. And she was with us in the end and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And I am having the most conflicting voices about this. Something about it seems so crazy to me that you would be the ones doing it. I don't know why, though. Yeah. I wouldn't even, wouldn't even home, not home. I wouldn't even try and my guy for my own serum for this.

Do it at home. Have the vet come to your home. Like they have mobile vets that will come do this in your place. But they have the, you know, the stuff that is guaranteed to work. Because I'd, God, you know, getting a recipe off the internet for like how to make your own euthanization serum. Yeah. It feels like if anything. goes wrong it's like oh my god you don't want your you don't want uh rainer to suffer no can you

imagine like if i did the wrong amount of something like if it's just pills like the supposedly it's just like a load of ibuprofen because they're they can't have too much of it but they doesn't hurt them so they sleep that's what they said if i did that i go well what if i overdid what if the what if the right exactly and you're having to base it on the weight of the dog and all that sort of thing no that total totally vet it but um if you can't Can do it at home. Can get the mobile vet to come do it in your home where Jim Rainer would be the most comfortable. By all means, do that for sure.

What you guys do? We did take Daisy to the vet and we had it done there. And do they do the whole thing where they do the cremation and everything? Or did you guys bury or what did you guys do there? They did cremation. We got a little paw print, like a paw print in plaster. And then Mrs. Crazy Neighbor made a really sweet photo. I found a photo that we had taken of her,

just one of her best photos, and made a little framed photo that we have on our mantle of her. And yeah, so definitely go vet whether you take her there. But, I mean, let's make sure that this isn't just a fatty pocket getting a little kennel cough or something um oh yeah yeah i'm not we're not make sure i mean obviously i know you're not you're not booking the no no no no it just got me it just all it does got me thinking i'm trying to be prepared trying to be mentally emotionally prepared like she is her and i have been inseparable since we got her and oh yeah she is your she is your dog yeah i mean even just

last night i i'm sitting on the couch playing my steam deck and she just curls up in a ball on my lap and you know licks her feet while i play and it's I'm gonna that is not going to be a happy day for anybody anywhere especially me so I'm just trying to be prepared for like you know what's best to do and when they said that I went oh well that does sound kind of nice but I don't want to do I can't be the one no no no no you want to be the one uh you know again we got to stop but getting off the subject here but you want to be the one holding her when the mobile vet comes and administers the the serum yeah that's what I want to definitely be there for that's what you want so yeah get a mobile vet You think they ever slip and, like, that needle slips and hits the person in the thigh and then they don't die. They just get really sick, you know, and they kind of conk out or whatever. Yeah, I'm sure that happens frequently. Happens to doctors, too, where they aim for the patient and they hit themselves. Oh, darn it, I just removed my own spleen.

Oh, I gave myself a double bypass. I didn't mean to do that. I'm going to have to file a malpractice suit against myself. Darn it. But, you know, I'm curious if anyone out there, listening has you know experience with this did you do any of this like did you try this um the next door neighbors have always had their cats um euthanized in their own home and we've gone over there for that and it's a very very um what's the word i mean it just feels it feels like the right uh way to do it

the cat is in their own environment they're familiar sure you know with the surroundings they really all they know is oh we've got a new friend coming over i'm kind of tired i'm gonna go to sleep and that's it that's it and that's what you want you want that yeah yeah uh i've got a couple of text here uh this one says from my experience as an anonymous person don't have their name from my experience as an anonymous person yeah they're they actually sent me to a previous text one was fart gas one was explosive tip so oh perfect okay take that those last year but anyway from my experience most of the dogs i've heard that uh that had a tumor usually end up with another tumor for an in-home euthanization vet comes to your house with two doses of drugs.

The first one calms the animal and paralyzes them. The second one stops. The heart have a vet do it. So we have agreement there. We have another one here that says we had to put, oh, this one just says don't kill your dog. And then it says oatmeal bath, hypoallergenic diet. I would have to ask my mom, but we get tablets to treat Molly's cancer. She loved to live to 16.

we had to put her down when she didn't have the strength to walk but I was on the floor of the vet with her and it was the most peaceful thing ever do the vet thing or have it come to your house okay so you know people are in agreement here and I agree with them I'm not you know like I said the whole idea just makes me go how can you do that but I was trying to make sure I wasn't crazy like I thought is it more is this more acceptable that I had been led to believe is it just my own little fears or whatever maybe it's a acceptable if I don't even know like what would make it I mean it's acceptable in the way that yeah if you are trained and maybe you get the method from a professional and not from Reddit

then I'd say then you're you know because I'm sure there are people who do this you out in the out in the boonies who maybe can't get a mobile vet to come and euthanize a pet I'm not talking about a cow or a horse or

pig or something but um you know like oh well you know uh we know that uh rovers you know and then they they get the uh maybe even the vet sends them bottles of stuff and they do it themselves but um i wouldn't do it your there's no there's no emotional reason and there's no benefit to the animal to do it yourself have a vet come and do it and uh what's what do they charge for that Do you want to know what that costs? I wonder what that is. Not that it matters that much, but if they said,

if they came to me and said, well, that's 10 grand, I'm not doing that. I'm probably going to take her in somewhere. Yeah, definitely wouldn't be 10 grand. I'm guessing it'd be probably a couple hundred bucks.

A couple hundred bucks. Okay. Sean says $360. I wonder if that's, that is so specific. It's just rain manned that or did you look it up? Did you rain man it? Somebody also sent a text that says,

I'm feeling moist today. That's nothing to do with this. I just don't know why that person sent that. So thanks a lot. Appreciate the info. I just give you a photo coming, Scott. I hope not. I'm closing that right now.

Yeah. All right. Let's, uh, something happier. Yeah, let's move on from dogs, uh, to, uh,

the defibrillators on planes. Apparently we are wrong on this point. And Jeff Seyer is calling us out. Um, he actually sent this yesterday, but I thought it'd be good to read on the show. He says, Scott and Brian,

uh, Jeff Sire is, uh, I already said that. Let's see. I wouldn't be so, or sorry, I wouldn't be so sure a plane would have a defibrillator.

There very well may be, but there are a couple of good reasons they might not be. Defibrillators have the, sorry, have to remain plugged in, or at least avoid being unplugged for long periods of time in order to maintain their charge. Aircrafts spend lots of time powered down between flights. I didn't actually know that, but I guess that makes sense. And anything capable of generating enough current to restart a heart would be capable of disrupting the aircraft's electrical system that would endanger. way more lives than just one, says Jeff. I had not thought of that at all. It's a really good point.

I didn't either. I did a little bit more looking around. And the AED. AED.com. So, God, what does that stand for? It's the... Attention Deficit Disorder.com. Yeah, that's it.

Hold on a second. It is... Where is it? I just want to see what it stands for. But anyway, the portable... The things we see in automated external defibrillator. Thank you. Oh, gotcha.

Okay. All commercial airlines in the U.S. are required to carry AEDs on board and train their staff to use them based on legislation passed in 2004. So not a full defibrillator, but an automated external defibrillator. Okay. And those are, this, America in the chat says those are self-contained. They don't rely on the plane. to do anything for their charge. Right.

But my question is more about the, if one discharged, either by accident or even if you're using it on a person, and that thing has enough of, let's say somebody's not grounded properly or they, it's a weird thing to say in a plane. But anyway, if you're not grounded properly and you're touching like something you're not supposed to do when you do it, I don't know the circumstances, but is that enough to like throw instruments off or to mess with systems or. Interesting question. Yeah, that I don't know.

To Jeff's point anyway. but I I yeah my guess is well based on what you said it sounds like it is required but they're a special kind they're not like plugged in right right yeah okay so they may not be like the Mexican restaurant one I saw but they're they may not be or they might yeah who knows the one in the that I put in our in our discord um it's funny it looks like those laptops that uh they were trying to give out to every every child would get one of these those laptops a few years ago yeah I remember those that was a big thing for a bit. That was a big thing. These days now, I guess, it depends on which school you go to. I've noticed this. This is probably not surprising to anybody, but some kids' schools,

you can tell which schools have the bigger budgets or which ones parents kick in more donations or whatever, because the one rich school, they're all getting iPad pros at their desks at the, or MacBooks, I think. At the other school down the road that is not so highfalutin, they're getting Chromebooks. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the... I have a Chromebook and quite like it.

I have a Chromebook. You have one right here. I like them. They're fine. They're great for what they are. I actually really do like my Chromebook. My wife won't use anything but a Chromebook. She loves hers. So it's not shade on a Chromebook. I think they're great. But they're meant to be inexpensive. They're actually a great way to get a student, a computer that also limits all the things they can do. You know, if you're worried about a kid doing some gnarly stuff on a computer,

you're going to limit them a little bit by giving them a Chromebook because that's really just a web portal. It's basically a... It really is, yeah. So, I mean, you can give them the stuff they need to be able to do research and get online and do stuff. So, I mean, it kind of is maybe an ideal alternative or maybe the preferred thing over iPad pros, right?

Because, you know, they can keep their notes in Google sheets and Google, what's... the what's the docks just google docs and sheets and well i used everything used to be called docs then they changed it to drive and then those things all got names yeah well that's the word processor thing is that is sheets docs i think it is docs now it is

docs still yeah sheets docs forms and docks me bro presentations or whatever it is yeah um yeah and uh someone in the chat said oh yeah the wraith says apple equals overpriced we're not here for a brand war we're not here for your weird brand wars It's like somebody got the bat signal say, what, somebody's having an Apple versus PC argument?

Let's be, I'll step in. I'll save you. I'll come in and do some sort of one-sided argument about a thing. By the way, you like my shirt? I just realized it. Oh, yeah, look at you, Duran. Bill Duran. Yeah, Bill Duran, Duran.

You can't see the lower Duran. Oh, there's two Duran's. Okay, good. There's two Duran's, yes. Double D. That's a drive. Diner's drive-ins, but no dives. No dives.

Nope. I saw some of that of the hotel the other day. You know, they've up their game on that show. So they used to, the way it works on Food Network and Hotel, if you're watching Guy Fieri do his thing. Which is easy to because he is on every hotel television and it's 24 hours. It's all the time. It's always on.

I don't get it. They're like, they became the Guy Fierry channel. It's so weird. But anyway, he'll do his thing. And the old ones, it's fine. A lot of quick cuts and, oh, this is gangster. And I'll move on to the next restaurant. whatever it's fine but then the next or the the latest ones the newer ones you can always tell

because he's thinning really bad so his white spiky hair oh really you can kind of see the head underneath it now um his the camera works so much better it's like food porn level like fancy camera zoom in slow-mo dumping stuff and all that they really went went hard on that anyway i guess what i'm saying is i find that morey more entertaining than i should and when it's on it's like comfort food, no pun intended, and sorry to anyone who doesn't like Guy Fierry. But I like those. It really is, yeah. And the Wraith, we're just teasing around with you, bud.

We're not really. We understand. It's easy to do. Look, console wars, whatever, Coke, Pepsi. It's all, everybody's got a fight to have. Go ahead and have it. It's fine. Brian, we've got a call to play real quick.

Ooh, let's hear it. This is about recycling symbols. And we have somebody who might be in the know. Oh, let's see what they say. Yeah. Here you go. Hey, this is Jevin for TMS, episode 2511. I'm just on my morning walk right now.

You guys are talking about recyclable. Let me just chime in and explain. Those symbols were made by plastic companies to hoodwings, all of you guys. Around the same time that they got an Italian-American to play a Native American and shed a single tear about all the littering. The symbols are supposed to shift the blame on. to the consumer rather than keeping the blame on the plastic companies who know their stuff is completely unrecyclable. Metal is very recyclable. About 90% of the aluminum ever in circulation is still in circulation.

Paper and cardboard are recyclable. Plastic is not recyclable and those symbols have never meant they were recyclable. They're a classification system and they actually don't indicate really anything other than propaganda. So yeah, that's all I'm calling in for. Been listening, by the way, since I was like eight and I'm 26 now, so it's no long time. I'll have a good one. Yeah, 20 years, man. That guy's been listening. Wow. He's been listening longer than we've been doing a show. Oh, man. I mean, I guess I assume he started with the ELR. It's about back as far as he would go. Maybe

maybe the old, the old, what did I used to do? I did a thing before all this. But anyway, the point is, uh, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, Probably right. Yeah, no, this is, you know, if you've ever seen the Penn and Teller bullshit episode where they talk about recycling, or more recently the John Oliver episode of this week tonight, that, oh, God, I want that show back so bad. I'm missing my John Oliver, I swear to God. That one I didn't, that one hit hard when they had to stop production. Yeah, but yeah, they talk about how plastic is so, it's so,

temperamental, like the ones you can recycle and can't recycle and the facilities that have the ability to do it. Oh, I said last, I said this week tonight, last week tonight. This week tonight. That's how much I miss it. You get the damn right. Isn't he part of this podcast thing, I think? He is.

Yeah, he's one of the five. Okay. He deserves to be in there. I worry a little, we'll have to listen to it, obviously. I worry a little bit that that is such an ego problem. And I don't mean all these, I don't mean I don't like these people. What I'm saying is to be hosts of popular late night talk show hosts, you have to be a little egotistic. You're the, you're the ringleader, you're in charge.

And to have all five of those guys trying to do a podcast remotely with each other, because they're all doing it remote. They're not doing it in a room. I worry that that is going to feel a little like, look at me, no look at me, no look at me. I don't know. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong because I like kind of everybody in there. I just, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I'll be curious to see. But might be good.

I'm hoping. I mean, I like all those people. Yeah. They're good people. They're good people. Good people on both sides. You know, there's five guys, you know, they're constantly making fun of me. But, you know, they're good guys. Hey, I really like your mugshot. You're a very dumb. brooding.

Oh, it was a little angry that day. It was a little angry. They got my picture before I had my coffee. I got to have my cups of coffee. Listen, I love coffee. A lot of people say, you shouldn't have so much coffee. I say, I'm going to have as much coffee as I want. Brainbow bright with the all-caps stop.

That's amazing. All right. Well done, everyone. All right. Let's dive into some news. We got a little bit of it, and it's worth talking about, so let's do it. Time for your intake of news, and it's brought to you by. Brought to you by, Coverville. There will be a coverville today, and boy, oh boy, it's a good one.

75 years ago, Robert Plant was born. Oh, Rubber Plant. I love Rubber Plant. He turned 75 last week, and so by golly, we're going to do a Coverville episode focusing on the music of a little band. that he was part of called Lead Zeppelin. Tons of Led Zeppelin songs, your favorites, and maybe some deeper cuts, I don't know, but everything, seriously. You name a Led Zeppelin song,

probably a cover of it on today's show. Scott, name of Led Zeppelin song. Let me tell you. I don't know the name of it. Yeah, the immigrant song. Yeah, we'll be on here, yep. Yeah, how about stairway to heaven? You got that?

Oh, of course, of course. One with Halicene. I love Halicine. Do you like, you like, no. whole lot of love that's a good one a lot of love sure no not on not on today's show no but keep going uh i can't think of anymore it's all it's i'll tell you stuff like cashmere uh rock and roll black dog going to california ramble on jermaker all that stuff uh today and plus some covers that uh that robert plant has done himself oh i really like his solo stuff his uh covers of his own

of Leds Up and stuff's cool too, but some of his solo albums, freaking fantastic. They're fantastic. Yeah, Band of Joy was really good. Was amazing. So, listen for that. That'll be today at 1 p.m. Mountain Time, Twitch.tv. slash Coverville.

He has a giant head, by the way. Robert Plant? Kind of does, doesn't he? Yeah. Amazingly huge head. He's this, got a big a head as that guy in the, the UK car show, the cars. Top gear. Yeah, the top gear guy with that huge head. Yeah, that big old head guy.

I can't think of his name. Monster head. Anyway. Wow. Okay. All right. I don't know where they get their hats. Maybe they don't wear him.

I don't know. Let's move on to this story here. We got a story about Georgia's been in the news a lot, okay, but this is nothing to do with the Georgia news you've been here in lately. All right. This isn't about election interference or Rudy Giuliani or anybody else. It's none of that. No, Fulton Prison Blues in this one. Okay.

No, this is a real crime. And by that, I mean one that would really piss me off if I was involved. Georgia man arrested for stealing his neighbor's entire front porch. An entire front porch. I need details, Scott. Please give me some details. Well, you've heard of porch pirates. This is the ultimate.

Georgia man is facing felony charges after he was accused of stealing a wooden porch from his neighbor. The porch owner told investigators, while his property may have been, sorry, may have had an abandoned look. I'm not sure what that means. It just looks like it's abandoned, probably like, you know, a decrepit mess kind of garbage. It's kind of not well taken care of, but he says, the porch and the other items on the land were not up for grabs. Quote, it's a full 8 foot by 10 foot porch.

It would be what goes on to, sorry, it would be what goes onto an hour for entry and exit. What does that mean? It would be what goes on an hour. what goes on to an hour it would be what goes on to an hour for entry and exit I do not that's a typo

yeah yeah it's a typo it's such a bad typo that I can't even I can't even tell what it's supposed to be I can't tell I'm reading it over and over what goes on to an hour for entry and exit it would be

okay because he says it's full he tells us the size and then says it's what goes on to an hour so what I'm thinking is it must be a What goes on to a house for the entry and exit, if I assume house. Oh, okay. So house got corrected to our, okay. Come on, the messenger. It would be what goes on to a house for entry and exit.

Thank you for explaining a porch to us. That's horrendous. Yeah, why did they even have to tell us? He said it was very well constructed, not your sentence, but your porch. Robin Swinger. What exactly is a porch? How do they work? He had multiple no-press-passing signs and took the porch anyway.

Oh, he also took the signs. That's funny. Really? Oh, nice. Some people shrug their shoulders. But the porch apparently was not attached to a home at the time of the alleged theft. So, really? Gotcha.

So I've never seen a porch that wasn't attached to the house. I don't get it required for entry and exit is an attached porch. But maybe they were building it separately. But if it was in like no one was doing it condition, like it was decrepit and old? Maybe. I mean, you know, you build, sometimes you don't get the bricks for the porch until bag number three and you assemble them separately and then you connect them once it's done. But that's a Lego reference right there. Man.

But, yeah. Oh, Liz Kibben says, pros never seen a mobile home. Oh, really? Is that the deal with it? I guess, yeah, I guess mobile home porches are detachable. are they i've never seen that okay well that's cool then maybe that's it that makes it modular i suppose is there a photo i want to see a photo oh there it is right there i love this quote some people may shrug their shoulders and say it ain't no big deal but when you take somebody's property without

their consent and the value of the porch is three thousand dollars you can't just go and take somebody else's property says stapler yeah it's a pretty nice that is a pretty nice little wooden uh porch like a a deck let's see here it is kind of I guess the thief has big deck energy now. Oh, yeah. I see it now. I've seen a mobile home. I've been in several.

I've had a friend named John M. I won't give his full last name because I don't want to docks him. But he lived in a mobile home with his mom, a single mom, and they had a ton of ferrets for some reason, like lots of ferrets. And boy, does a mobile home get rank. Oh, dude. We have lots of ferrets. A ferret one ferret stinks.

I can't imagine a multitude of ferrets. Yeah. That's awful. I have like four or five. My friends are mobile homes. I've been in one. I almost bought one. I almost bought a mobile home in my 20s, not to live in, but the one was cheap.

And we were like, hey, what if we rented it or something? You know, we were thinking of like an investment thing. We ended up not doing it. But, you know, they're fine. I've been in lots of shotgun houses in the south, like down in Mississippi. They call them shotgun. You mean a shotgun shack? Because the way they work is you get in the front.

And if you shot a shotgun from the... This is how the story goes. If you shot a shotgun on the front door, it would go all the way to the back door without any resistance. Oh, really? I've never heard that term. Yeah, it's like a big old roth. That's what they called them locally. Like, it wasn't me making that term up.

They all called it that. They said, yeah, we live in the shotgun third down number 42 or whatever. They would call their own homes that. And I've been in a bunch of those. Those are cool. Is that what... When David Burns sings that line and once in a lifetime when he says, You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack.

That's what the shotgun shack is. I think that's it. I never heard shack, but maybe, other than the song, obviously, but let's see. Shotgun shack meaning, here it is. A domicile or house with no internal barrier between the front and back doors. There we go. Yeah, there you go. A small house structure of dwelling, which is defined as being so small, how small is it,

that if one were to point a shotgun at the door and fire, everybody within the dwelling would be hit or killed. That's a worse, golly, urban dictionary. Way worse. Maybe less dark on the description. Geez. Way worse. Yeah. Wow.

Okay. That's good to know, though. It reminds me of these people make container homes, you know? Yeah. I think that's actually kind of cool. Yeah. The ones I've seen are like, here's what I do. do like container park not that big but i do like i don't know three containers arranged in a

configuration and build build that and took like a living space would be really cool i would love that sure it'd be kind of cool too if you could like say all right make the make the shipping containers like two parallel alongside each other and then the third one across the back so if you want to get to rooms in this one you have to go up some stairs across the other container and then down some other stairs to get to this. I love that idea. Yeah, yeah. And then you have, you put a little sky, skylight in the top one.

Oh, yeah, in the top one or your bedroom or something is up there with like a skylight. Yeah, there you go. I love that. I love it. All right. I'm in. Sign me up. We're moving.

Cool. All right. Burger King. Burger King's in trouble. We talked about this before, but it looks like they're going to have to actually face the music. Are they really? Oh, nice. Yeah.

Burger King must face a lawsuit now claiming its whoppers are too small. I think they're too big to be honest I'm pretty big I'm a Wopper Jr. guy I'm not a Wopper Big ass Wopper guy I'll do a Wapper Sorry ladies

Sorry ladies I'm a Wopper Junior guy You're not a full Wopper U.S. judge has rejected Burger King's bid to dismiss this lawsuit claiming that it's cheated hungry customers by making its Wopper sandwich appear larger than it actually is You know what this will set a precedent

because every fast food restaurant does none of them look like what you get and by that i mean also they're smaller all the taco bell shit is smaller than what it shows it's just the way it is although yesterday i will say this you know i've had trouble with this local taco bell it's been trouble for a long time but i got a really good crunch wrap there yesterday oh really yeah so hats off to them for getting it right one time to taco bell and i got a uh i do the um uh what you call it the use the app and you do the build your own cravings box because then you can like choose whatever you want sure and i got the uh crunch wrap supreme and a bean burrito and then i give tina

the uh doritos locos taco oh this tuesday because it was free doritos tacos or whatever day yeah um so they do get they give away a free doritos taco that day i didn't know that on tuesday they did i don't know if it's every tuesday but i happen to look in the app and it said free Doritos Locos Taco today if you'd like it added to your order I'm like added done I do like those yeah I'm a fan well anyway

this is this is all going through have you bought a wopper in the last year yeah this feels like one of those do you have where have you been diagnosed with mesophiliaoma it's like one of those ads in the middle of the night have you bought a whopper that seems smaller than it should have been my wapa seemed really

actual clients my wapa seemed really small. And then I called the law firm of Bagelman, Franklin, and Jackson. Bagelman. Tell me more about the bagelman. I'm doing a stereotype.

There's no stereotype here. No, not at all. I'm sure. Bagelman, Schwartz, and you can make no, there are no ethnic things you could say about Mr. Bagelman. It's fine. Nothing at all. Nothing at all. And I got

$18 settlement from eating a lot of wopper that was way smaller than advertised. Oh, thank you Mr. Beggleman for giving me a well. Let

the law firm of Begleman Schwartz and Lieberman fight for you. Lieberman. That's great. Oh, do you see, sorry, this isn't political, but because I actually don't wish him any harm. I don't.

I don't agree with his politics, but a lot of it anyway. But Mitch McConnell, Did you see Mitch McConnell's freeze up yesterday? It's another one, like within a month. Oh, yesterday's was bad. He was just taking some questions. It wasn't even like the official podium thing,

but he was taking some press questions about his reelection next year. And he did one of his things where he went, oh, you know, usually he's like launching a little pie. But instead he just kind of looked off into the nowhere and his staff had to, he just froze up and say anything. Staff had to come up and like kind of touch him and move. Control, alt delete. him basically. And he wouldn't answer them

so they had to like march him out of there. He needs to, him Feinstein, Steenstein, whatever last name is. And that Chuck Grassley guy, they all need to, we need to have an age, if not term limits, mandatory retirement. Yeah, have either any,

if you're not going to have term limits, and I understand some of those arguments, then have freaking age limits, or at the very least, don't parade these people out in this state. It's elder abuse. is what it is and I mean I really mean that you're this is not cool and I know you're doing it to keep you got to maintain your your your dominance or your your majorities and I understand the desire to do that it was freaking inhumane man like what do you do I say a mandatory annual cognitive evaluations if you're in certain levels of government or higher just just because you know you've got your your your hands in a lot of legislation and and and control and some of you even have access to a big red button,

maybe you should have a little cognitive evaluation every year just to be safe. Both sides, I'm certainly not saying one side of the other. No, I don't know how well I think Biden would do with one of those. No, I don't know how well any of them would do. All the ones that are in these positions of being like 80-year-olds running important parts of the country, it's time to maybe reevaluate if we really want that or not. Now, that being said, some real tweezer nuts that want to take their, place.

Oh, my God. That is just the visualization of those two words together. Oh, please. Yeah, it's all stupid. Anyway, that's as political as we're getting today. All right, everybody? And, you know, make it also cognitive valuations if you have to attend, be part of a debate, a presidential debate.

I'm just saying. Maybe just one of those. Yeah. Or just a basic civics test, you know, on how things work, how the Constitution's actually written. Maybe we make these people across the board actually understand the country and the states they're representing and not just go in there swinging, swinging words and engagement farming. You know what I mean? Exactly. Yes. Also, could Ted Cruz just fall off a cliff? All right, moving on. For sure. Let's get to, let's take a break. When we come back from this

break, Wendy will be here. It's week three and the finale, really, of the inner roommate discussion. Yay! Okay, so we're going to find out where that goes, and we're going to do it here shortly. But Brian's got to play a song to create a demarcation in the show today where we play music. This is the before India in the middle part, and then after the song will be the after in the Indian in the middle part. That's right. A.m. And right now we're in the B I am. Yep. Don't forget. Those acronyms are there to help you people at home.

They're there for you. Yes, exactly. How about a song from a band called the Oracle Sisters? They knew, they looked into their crystal balls and knew that you would be listening to the song today. So they sent it to me and it's called Ruby on the Run. This is from their debut album called Hydronism, which is out via 2220 records. Their North American headline tour begins in two weeks as well. So if you like this, you can go see them live. Here are the Oracle Sisters and Ruby on the run.

Big bad baby did you bite your tongue? Eyes like gambling though she's half the fun. So dear daddy did you fire a gun? He's got money though he's always on the run. On the run On the run On the run On the run

On the red On the red dress on the light is gone blue jean baby with your silver chumps two times trouble keep your lover in your eyes in your eyes in your eyes in your eyes in your eyes in your eyes in your eyes in your eyes in your eyes On the rise, on the rise, on the ride. Paul, we understand that you have found a wonderful Super 8 motel. Where are you? I'm at the Hudson, Wisconsin Super 8 motel. Don't take a bath, don't wash your hair, don't eat pickles while you're menstruating.

And we're returned. Tell me who that was one more time, please. Yeah, those are the Oracle Sisters and the brand new song, Ruby on the Run, from their debut album called Hydronism. Check out the video, too. It's really cool. It feels like a short-form movie, and it was filmed on location in Morocco, and the running through the streets of Marrakesh. It's really cool. Oracle Sisters, Ruby on the run. Nice. It's a new programming language. It was Ruby on Rails. Now it's Ruby on the run.

That's right. And it works with Oracle. So that's good. Yep. And if I go to Morocco, I'd like to have a taco. Well, I like the rhyming. It's just the rhyming, you know? You like the rhyming. That's a very good. Yeah, very good one. All right. We are attempting to pull Wendy in. And she's showing offline, but that really

I've learned does mean it means nothing. sometimes it means that she's just on her phone and that she needs to rush over to some sort of device and get on there or sometimes it means she forgot about things but let's find out together today right now let's see did she say anything nope she said we're good okay cool that was yesterday

okay well we'll see that was yesterday while that's happening I will I will share this with you it was in our news but I think it's worth mentioning because you like coffee you're a coffee guy I'm a coffee achiever yeah in your coffee achiever Yeah, and you're not alone. There's a large contingent of human beings. It's surprising, yeah. They put up these coffee shops, and by golly, those places get busy.

They really did. They didn't ever realize that other people like this weird little dirt water that I like to drink. My favorite is when you go to a hotel, and that hotel has three or more Starbucks in it. I think that's funny. Right, yeah. You ever think one Starbucks is like, oh, we're out of Creamer, go downstairs and talk to Starbucks number two. and they probably do right it's uh it's insane yeah a lot of the Vegas hotels i think the mGM grand has might have three Starbucks in at least two that's a lot of Starbucks it is oh

Wendy has joined us never mind i'll tell you guys the story about causea has zero the plaza freaking plaza what are they doing i'll explain the situation to wendy don't worry hey look who it is my sister Wendy who i just saw the other day at my uh well my house i guess is where we were it was your house yeah you were here hanging out on your way back to back home to Minnesota. It was. I had a guy go,

I put up that picture of me and you on the porch and some guy said, are you in Sweden or did Sweden come to you? And I went, where have you been for the last? Yeah, it's a little, uh, been a while. It's okay. I wish I was, I wish that was still the case.

Yeah. They loved you there, you know. They thought you were. They did. They needed me to bring a little American pizzazz. Yeah, that's right. Because all them depressed people with the no daylight and the whatnot, you know, they need a little love.

Anyway, Wendy's here, and it's an exciting week for Wendy, her second oldest off to college this week. Yeah. Dude, can I just say this? Listen, I don't know how many of you are familiar with college, but it is ridiculous what they can charge for the worst dorm room you've ever seen. Wow. Yeah. I believe it. They're all gross, right?

I've never seen a dorm room. I went, oh, this is nice. It's never like that. Well, where he is, okay, here's the thing. When they take you on the tour, they show you the brand new one. And I'm like, oh, you could live somewhere like this as a freshman. And then when you get your assignment and you go to it, I mean, it was, you know, those buildings that were built in like the 30s and 40s? Sure.

And if they're kept well, they're a museum. This one is a dorm. And it was freaky. I was like, oh, okay. Now, what was this? How much is this talking about? Oh, my gosh. Like pipes on the outside and weird.

Yeah, and like where the phone station used to be. You know, every place had to have it where you could go use the phone. That's still just right there. It's like they just ripped out the phones. And I'm like, okay. Well, it'll be a little adventure for him, you know. He's going to. It is.

He's also got a roommate, but I'm pretty sure. Like, I couldn't be in there at the same time as them. Like, it was so. small. I was like, one of you is going to have to step out for me to step into this room. Yeah. It's, it's something. Also, you know, his roommate's a stranger from Milwaukee, so God bless them all. I love that. That was a great, great movie. Great, old.

Stranger. A stranger from Milwaukee. Yeah, it was a very early Scorsese film. Very good stuff. So hold on a second. What's the college again? Remind me. Where do you go? University of Minnesota. That's right. You have him. And if anyone knows the centennial freshman housing. That you probably stayed in it 800 years ago. So there we go. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun.

He's very excited. He had zero response to, I was like, I'm class repubic and I'm going to die. So I'm going to get out of here. And he's like, this is fun. Yeah. He probably loved the adventure. When you're 18, everything's fun. Sure.

And he's also six foot huge and. Three. Yeah. It's my height. It's not going to be comfy. He's my height. And they have a little bed, guys. This is like, how much money am I spending for him to have a bunk bed?

Yeah, right. it's a lot studies anyway he will but it's it's good this is the beginning of an era yeah it's a new it's a new day everyone get ready for it also Abe is probably the handsomest kid on the

freaking campus so look out ladies he's got a girl I mean it is the Midwest so that's not the hard and he's got like a soprano's girlfriend like an Italian mom boss she's so great she really is she's funny

I was gonna say this though like that like pulling in parents dropping kids off there was this you know there's a bunch of students that are helping like I guess it's their job or something you know and man the sarcasm coming out of their mouth I was like oh dude you're too jaded to be here you need to find a replacement but it was very fun to see all the you know all the feels it's great yeah good let's get up my house that's right get out of your house gets get going with your life also just finally you're talking about how old these buildings are.

It is weird to think that some student went in there at 18 at some point, graduated, lived to 90, died, and that's still the same building. You know what I'm saying? Like he's going to that school. Same toilet. Same toilet for 12, 12 dudes. And I'm telling you, in 1940, no one was 6 foot 3. Were they?

I mean, they maybe were. I don't know. Just nothing fits. Crazy. All right. I feel that way on planes. Like, come on planes. planes. I am a normal

sized human adults. Why do my knees smash into it? I mean, I'm 5'10, so I'm the average size of the average American male. Guys, I know it's hard to admit this, but I am your size. And my knees are jammed, and I'm like, where are we

going from here? It's so bad. You know what, Brian, you're preaching to the choir with Brian and I have two, a couple of six plus guys trying to fit in things. It's horrible. How do you even do it? I don't understand. Are you You try to get that weird seat. Brian, I don't know if you do. I think you do because we've talked about it.

Oh, I absolutely do. Yeah. On Southwest, if I can get the seat that has the no seat in front of it or anything in the exit row, I go for it. You have to volunteer to be like the door guy, right, or whatever. Yeah, which is fine. I'll be the door guy. I practice at home. I take doors like, I say, oh, I'm going on a flight this week.

I need to practice taking doors off the hinges. So I do it. So here's my question. If you're in that row and they say to you, are you willing to do this? I mean, of course, everyone's saying they're willing to do this. I think everyone would just cut and run when it comes to it. I have seen, like, you know, you get on the roads and you realize that 90% of the people would just push you out of the way to get to that door before you. You know what?

You do any driving, you see these people and you're like, I don't want any of these people in charge of things. I'm committed, though. I am committed. If it ever came down to it and I was in that seat and I committed to it, I am committed to doing it. I will help people off that point. You and me both. Listen, I want to, I want to be the one to save you. I want to save all the people in my row.

Yeah, especially at this stage. If I was like 25 and whatever and I, you know, it's pretty super self-centered, I'd probably be like, if you get out of my way, maybe I would. I don't know. But now I would tell, what's there to lose? We're all, maybe we're all going to die anyway. Let me help you and maybe you'll survive. Yeah.

Great. You're like, I've lived a good life. Yeah, I've done okay. My progeny lives on. Let's go. Let's do this. That said, I might need 30 seconds to go visit the men's room. Before, well, I mean, you'll go ahead and get started.

I'll be right back. Yeah, I'll be right back. He's got to pee. I'm not going to go take my headphones off and throw up. I'm just going to go pee and I'll be back. I'll be right back. You know, Brian puked on the show once. You don't know about this story.

He did? Yeah, not on the show, but he, at one point on the show, in fact, I have audio from it. This will let's play it. Please don't play it. No, he doesn't barf on the, like, sound. Here's what he says. Brian will also have a date on this. Here we go.

here's Brian this is 2014 Brian Ibitt right here hey I'm gonna actually have to put the headphones down for a second and go throw up yep he went and barfed and uh you know it's famous for it Brian's a famous it's an incredibly professional announcement I know right yeah it was very professional and he didn't and when he came back he was like okay I'm back and he was good to go and I was like man I'd just be on the couch right now what are you been doing anyway he really did have to compete so he's doing that now um let him do that let him do that let's get into it so we some weeks ago said we were going to have a part three and sort of a finale to this whole inner roommate thing yeah and today's our day so let's do it well let me like give a summary so you know if you didn't hear the other two i'll just kind of you can go back and listen of course so it has been officially the last two episodes i was on right so right correct been a break so it's a little weird but um so the first one was all about this concept of being the noticer and and hearing your inner roommate, you know, who is the voice that sort of has the running

commentary about this or that. Often we'll call them like the inner critic or whatever. There can be lots of versions of this. But so the first week was really to identify that, to get in science mode and pay attention and hear what this voice had to say. And then we had a caller, you know, share their experience with that inner voice. And so we worked with that a little bit. And then the second episode is when we did that.

But then also we talked about this idea of sort of softening the spaces. Like usually it's around your heart. Maybe it's your stomach or something of just like letting some of that tension out physically. Right. So focusing on where that tension builds. And then sort of creating an ability to soften it and let go of it. Right. Which usually requires breathing, which a lot of people just stop doing.

They don't realize they're not doing it, but they don't breathe deeply at all. And so you can really soften that just in the physical way of like, so we've got this inner roommate that sort of says some stuff and triggers your physiological response. And if we just stick with those two things and we live our lives, we're going to kind of be batted around a lot. And depending on the whims of that voice, where do we how we feel about something or. whatever it may be right so um today is we're going to get really specific about a specific thing that the inner roommate repeats or um you know in combination it's a cyclical thing maybe it's a constant thing um and we call it we're calling it the thorn in your side so everyone's kind of got a thing maybe that is just always going to show up maybe in certain

circumstances, and I'll walk you through, we're going to identify a fake version of this, unless you guys want to share yours. And we'll go through kind of what it is and then what to do about it. So these steps are sort of like, first you've got to hear it. First you got to not think everything that's happening in your head is you and be more of the observer, right? Sit in the observation seat, be the noticeer. Because the cool part is that the noticer is like a totally different emotional

experience or thing, right, versus whatever storm might be going on because the roommate's throwing a fit, right? So that skill, the more you can get that separation between those things, just the way better you're going to feel generally. I would maybe articulate, you know, I have a client recently. I'm trying to think, how do I change this up? So it's not identifiable. But just that the storm, the roommate freak out storm about a particular issue. So the thorn in their side, comes once or twice a year. And it is almost predictable at this point. Like, oh, it's going to always be in summer and it's always going to be in fall right before the holidays. We kind of have enough track record to go, oh, here it is again. And this just,

it's like blending with the thoughts and the feelings and just getting completely sucked in. And so when someone might have a mental health crisis, this is very reductionistic. So don't quote me that this is what all mental health crises are. But often it's a spiraling, a, like a rumination on steroids. Just you cannot get out of the way your brain is activated and thinking. And then, of course, your body's responding, and it's this vicious cycle of you're in a fight or flight state, and so your brain needs to understand it. So it tells more stories.

The stories it's telling makes your body in a fight or flight, and you just are in spiral mode. So this is why it's so valuable is that you're really giving yourself a lot of skills and abilities around when something starts to spiral, getting the ability to back up from it and have a little space from it and observe it. And it takes about 80, 90 percent of the power away from it. Okay. So is that a decent explanation? Do you want to add anything to what we've already done i think that would everything you just said there resonates with me in terms of like um there's a compounding quality to that loop that is really you you can get to a point where you feel like there's you can't relax anything you're just yeah you're just this is where you are and there's no

stopping this and you're in that loop and there's no way out of the loop so uh so yeah so yeah not only do i to relate to it but um i'm looking forward to today's grand finale on how to deal with it seems good yeah great i'm fine hi brian how is your you're urination. Oh, it's very satisfied. I've been back for minutes. Minutes. Oh, minutes. Many hours. Okay, great. Okay, great. Okay, so if you guys want to volunteer what your inner thorn is, that's great, but I'm going to use a specific one. But I'm going to have everybody do this. If you've followed along and you've started practicing a little bit of, hey, noticing that voice, noticing what it kind of repeats, then what the question is, what does it repeat? So I want to start with just some

imagery of an actual thorn in your arm okay okay thorne in the arm picture a nasty thorn like a big old freaking i don't know what rose thorn size are we talking larger more comically large or what it would well you do whatever your brain does in my mind i don't picture it so it's fine all right um just a thorn a theoretical idea called a thorn no but imagine thorne now everyone's out of mosquito bite or some other like irritation right but a thorn is there is like an active injury occurring. And you have a couple options, right? Yeah.

So imagine this thorn is a neuron. It's incredibly painful and it is going to cause serious problems. And you have two choices. Now, a physical thorn, most of us, would just take out, right? Right. Just yank it. We would be willing to suffer the initial pain of removal and treatment to not walk around with the thorn in our arms. Right.

But when it's a psychological thorn or one of these inner roommate, relentless kinds of thorns, we have two choices. And one is to take it out. And that's what I'm going to show you how to do at the end of here. But the other one is one we often see people do and is pretty tempting. And that is to protect it. So don't let anything touch it, right? So really picture this thorn.

What would you do if you needed, if you decided to keep, it in your arm but you needed to not have it hurt what would you have to do i mean okay about sleeping well let me tell you what i let me tell you what i picture first because that may help tell you how i would do it i picture like this thorn and this is by the way this is not be forcing it to look like this is how it looks i can't change how it looks it looks like a big old eagle talon size thorn oh gosh just like a big old and it's in the flesh down there tickling bone like nasty thing. That's how I picture it anyway. I think I still would want to just go yonk as hard as I could and then wrap it and be, you know, hope it doesn't get infected or whatever. That's how I would.

Yeah, sure, but imagine you can't do that. You can't keep it in your arm, but make it so it doesn't hurt. Yeah. So maybe people with less wild imaginations have a smaller thorn in mind. And how would you, how would you protect it from? Because think about it. It's maybe okay. if you're not bumping it. But when you anything gets close to it, it's just going to activate it. What would you do, Brian?

Would you, how would you protect your thorn? I think I would try and deaden the area around it. Is that, is that an answer? I like it. Yeah. I'm not pulling my cowboy,

cowboy up, pull it my big boy pants and I don't know. Okay, I love both those things. Those are both really good answers for psychologically what people do. Yeah. Sure.

I'd compartmentalize that, Thorin. Compatementalize. to press it into a small ball and shove it deep down into my psyche where no one would ever see it again. There we go. That's definitely one option. And let's stick with physical for one more second. You would potentially build some kind of like apparatus around it, right? You would build a cage or some kind of enclosure, right?

You'd have to maybe get a new bed so that your arm could, you know, like a massage table, your arm could hang down or something. So it wouldn't get attacked. Yeah. Yeah, you would, anytime you met someone, you know, that whole hell, hell's a good one and someone's going to grab your arm and with one hand and shake your other hand, like you would be real leery of other people getting near you. You don't know because they wouldn't know about the thorn. You would just spend so much energy and time just protecting yourself from feeling that pain, right?

Yeah. And you're going to not go certain places. you are going to do all sorts of building and contrapting. And I like your psychological, I mean, that's really what we're getting at, right? Is that we're doing this with these emotional wounds and these emotional thorns. And the choice still remains. So keep it protected or take it out. It is still the exact same option with a physical thorn as it is with a psychological

thorn. But most of us are pretty, like we know there's a weird thorn in our arm physically, way quicker than we'll ever know that this psychological thorn is in there because we get so wrapped up every time it gets activated, right? We're in active pain and then we got to go right back to avoiding

and like Brian said, shoving it very deep down, so no one will ever find it. It's like a birth mark or a scar kind of where you, you know, you never want someone to see this big patchy thing on your face or whatever.

So you always load up on the makeup or say it's on your arm. You always wear a long, sleep shirt to hide it. It feels a little like that. And you're thinking about it all the time. You're always thinking, yeah, nobody else knows it's just under that, that thin layer of fabric, but it's there and you know it. And you're thinking about how to make sure it doesn't show. Like it's almost like that. It's almost like less of a, I mean, I don't know, there's a pain in that. There's a kind of pain in that, too, I suppose. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Okay. So we're going to take

an example of a thorn, and then I'm going to have you guys help me build a life around protecting from this thorn. Okay. So let's say the inner roommate or the inner critic or the inner voice or, you know, whatever that part of you is that is lonely and you're experiencing loneliness and is just reminding you are alone, reminding you're going to die alone. What, you know, maybe you get heartburn and you're like, okay, this is it. No one's coming because I'm going to have a heart attack and die alone. Like you can imagine that voice activating often when you are in,

this thorn of being lonely is there okay so let's let's just talk really quick about how you would what contraptions you would build what devices what protections would you put in place to not let the thorn of loneliness be triggered right how would you protect from that pain oh geez um how would i protect against that pain there's probably in a drug analogy here right Like I would The numbing Yeah I guess that's the same thing right Numbing it

Whatever that means Like in the case of I don't know Some people drink too much to numb things Some people You know self-medicate to do that Think about something else Or like you know distract yourself from

Or do something you shouldn't Or do something that you do You know you're not going to That there's 100% Assurity that doing that thing will make you do not have to deal with this at all. Right. So there's that like proactive protection that's like building the shield and, you know,

putting all sorts of things in place. And then there's the numbing part for sure. Okay. How about this? How about what do you avoid when you have a thorn of loneliness? Hmm. Thorn of loneliness avoidance theory. What do you avoid?

Yeah. Does being in a crowd, fix the problem or amplify the problem? Like going somewhere where there are a lot of people, does that amplify the loneliness? It seems like it would. It's relative probably, right? Like someone may feel one way or the other. But like so, for example, would you avoid places where couples are? Oh, yeah, there you go. That's a, yeah. I wouldn't go to a, I wouldn't go to a ballroom dancing class and watch all the people dancing pairs. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So you would, you would avoid maybe something you actually would enjoy because the risk of that thorn being bumped is there, right? So just like the birthmark or the real thorn, you are spending a lot of your life energy trying to not be disturbed internally, right? And so you can imagine, and here's what's tricky about being a human is that we do this so seamlessly almost.

right? We're just so used to treating ourselves a particular way or protecting that inner disturbance in particular ways. It's hard to even realize we're doing it, which is why the first episode, was all about identifying the voices, right? Like just hearing, being curious about, what actually goes on in here? There is a great quote from, so Bessel van der Kolk is this kind of one of the experts in trauma treatment. And he said this thing I really like to. He said neuroscience research shows that the only way we can change the way we feel is by becoming aware of our inner experience and learning to befriend what is going on inside ourselves. So our tendency is to not befriend what's going on. It is to build glass walls all around whatever's going on or

shove it so deep in the dark so that no one else will know those things are happening. and we don't want to feel them. We don't want to even know they're happening. And the opposite is true is that getting to know them is where you're going to be free of most of this, right? And so we'll get to that one more second. I just want to know, is there any other choice you think someone who's experiencing loneliness as a chronic sort of inner turmoil and thorn?

What else might they do? What else could they do? To avoid it or to deaden the pain? To keep it from? Yeah, that or solve it or feel better, right? Because isn't that what we're all just asking anyway? It's like, how am I going to feel better? I mean, personally, I would go to a place where there's a lot of people in the hopes that maybe I'd see someone I know or I'd see someone else in a similar situation and maybe I could, you know, go up and talk to them and it sounds so like Mr. Rogers, maybe I could make a new friend.

but yeah but you know that sort of thing look for go someplace where you might find some like-minded people yeah okay I might go to a bar and not to drink my problems away but to sit at the bar and talk to the bartender because they're you know they have to talk to you like you are your friend yeah I would travel on the road it was I was going solo um if I went to a restaurant I'd make sure it had a bar and I'd sit and eat at the bar so I could chat with a bartender and then Through that, you start talking to people around you and that sort of thing. So you were, instead of this being like a thorn that need to be protected or avoided, you were like, oh, I have a need.

I'm going to meet that need. Yes. And I'm going to assume, Brian, it's because this is not an inner emotional wound for you, right? No. Yeah. You weren't. I don't know if I can even say I've ever. It's a very small thorn.

If there's a thorn at all. If there is, and you solve it by meeting people. That's like one of those prickly bush thorns that you can barely. feel you only feel it when your hand brushes against it and it's really hard to find yeah yes i actually don't know if to me it's like boredom i don't know if i've ever felt actually lonely that's a weird thing to say because it sounds like it's a privileged position and maybe it is but i've never felt a sense of loneliness like even when i'm alone i never go oh like i don't know like maybe i i will if there was like tragic loss let's say kim passed away i would be a mess and i would know true loneliness

suddenly but up till this point in my entire life i've never felt like alone in fact i like a lone time quite a bit so i don't it's a hard from that's why i'm having hard time grasping on to what i would do because it isn't a thorn for me if anything it's like uh i don't know it's an unknown i just don't know i don't know how it feels yeah and so let me tell you that you two are weirdos um all right then we get it we nailed it because 52 percent of americans report feeling lonely. Really? And then another 47% report relationships with others that are not meaningful.

Only 59% of Americans think have a best friend. And they have some stats, long sort of following relationship stats. And the one about men is like in 1990, men said they had four to five friends. And now they say they have one, zero to one. Yeah. I read this. I think I read this somewhere. It's not great. It's not great. You two are on the other percentage, so good for you. But so, so that's, what's interesting is you both, because it's not a thorn, you aren't needing to protect the pain part.

You just were like, oh, go talk to someone, right? Like, solved it, right? And that can happen. When we go to a friend or a loved one and we start to share what's going on with us, we're like, why don't you just get outside and get some sunshine? because that would work for me or work for you. So Brian's like, go to a bar, talk to the bartender. And you're like, yeah, I am doing everything to not activate my pain. So that I cannot do. Right. So this is where your own experience and understanding your own inner world really matter.

So I got lucky and didn't pick both of your pain points, right? But for many listening, I guarantee this is a major emotional. internal inner turmoil oh i'm sure it's a problem i'm yeah i've no doubt about that yeah we should ask the same question when uh tini goes out of town later she's gonna be out of town for a couple days oh yeah oh yeah maybe i do yeah kim kim uh kim's going to mississippi in a week or something two weeks whatever it is and she'll be there a whole 10 days or something and i'm gonna be a mess by the end of that and i don't mean just like mental do you have meals planned and stuff no well carter's here so we're gonna we're carter and i'll work together

We'll work together. But in October, when she's in Nashville, that's six days of just me and the dogs. I don't know what we're going to. Yeah, it's going to be bad. Well, you're going to make sure you feed them and stuff. But I will. I mean, there is a, this is interesting because I fully am aware that there are people experience, like maybe even chronic loneliness or really painful loneliness.

And I, you know, my heart goes out to those people. I think we're bad examples because we put ourselves out there so much and have so many relationships connected to being public. Yeah. that there are almost days we were just like, dude, I just want to be in a quote. I want to be with a book and I want to be alone. Everyone leave me alone. So we're bad examples for this.

Yes. And it's a varying stage. It will vary in life, right? Like there. And this is where, this is where the long term effect of having a wound that is activated so easily, right? Is that you will just, you know, it's that whole story of like, you're in Denver. They move the train five inches to the right, and then you end up in Florida instead of New York, right? Like it has massive impact over time, putting you in a particular direction, right?

And so it just gets worse and worse. So think about building your entire life around not disturbing this thorn, and you're going to get a life that is doing so much, so much effort that could go somewhere else, right? It could be something totally different, but we're trying to protect this wound. So all of us have a version of this. Nobody gets by without one. Loneliness is just, I think, so ubiquitous that I pick that one. So here's what we do about it. And really, the motivation here is we want to get a life back, right?

Because it really does become such a focus of everything. So it's going to sound too simple. And so please forgive me. and that is it's almost like the physical thorn you you stop messing around with it you stop protecting it and this is why having someone's help to do this can be really beneficial right because it's really hard you know like i picture like an old medical procedure from the 1800s where you're like someone is with you telling you to bite on a leather belt sure you kind of need leeches on your arm or something exactly you're not doing that stuff alone you are doing that with

support and so someone helping you as you are going to remove this thorn and but but what all of the protection stuff is playing with it and making it making it worse so the idea is that if once you can identify here's this thing that just is reoccurring in my life um every time anyone gets near the core of this i have really strong reactions often people will recognize it because they are reacting so big and then afterwards they feel total shame like why did I act like that um and it's if you're not able to tune into what it's really about now we've got your bad behavior to deal with and then what do I do with that shame and it just compounds so we really want to go to the core where is this thorn and what is it and how do we um help you remove it right because you're

run a risk right like even if you have somebody helping you remove your thorn to keep the physical metaphor going if if their idea is to help you remove the thorn great that's one thing but then they say you know what also is great uh here's a here's a an open uh carolina reaper pepper i want to grind that into the wound that was your thorn like you can go too far right well let me put it this way i mean there are definitely people you don't want helping if they're going to do that but but here's a here's a way to kind of understand what pain is it's going to be yeah So let's say you've spent all this time avoiding removing a physical thorn and it's now infected. Like you, the pain's increased, right?

And which is why our body does that. It's like, you dummy, get this out of here. It's like a sliver that means nothing, but I'm going to make you miserable till it's gone. And that misery is to try to get you to do something about it, typically, right? So, but here's the thing. Whatever original pain you were avoiding, it still needs to be felt. the removal still, whatever that may be. So let's say it's, let's say your parents get divorced, they are, it is really bad.

And you are torn in between and there's definitely wounded, am I loved and worthy kinds of questions that you have when really core stuff happens to you as a kid, right? And then you're on living your life and each new relationship has like some expiration dates or sabotaging that occur. You know, like you can look on the outside and go, oh, these things might be related to my my, you know, childhood wound, but you don't know what to do. You're still protecting it. So I'm going to marry someone who's the opposite of my mom and I'm going to,

or whatever you're doing to shield the original pain. When you actually go to remove that thorn, it's going to be the original pain as you have avoided. And that avoiding, and it feels a little temporarily better, right? Like, or time can go on and I can just think it's not a big deal. but when you go back, that original pain can be felt. And here's the thing, and this is what most people are so afraid of, is it is always less bad than you thought it would be, just like the real thorn, right?

You know, it's like, you just like, ready, rip it off. Like if you don't, because what we do in our head makes it so much worse. So that's the whole reason we're building an entire life around avoiding feeling that pain. Right. So if you're always trying to avoid the pain, then there is one, very amazing thing that happens if you just let it be is it sometimes will naturally work itself out, right? And that naturally working itself out like an actual like sliver coming out itself, maybe is a good way to think about it, is prevented because you're now

building a cage around your finger so no one bumps into it. Right. And there's no time or space. And so that could be an emotional release. That could be like, I really cried it out a three some stuff. I, you know, I worked out some of those feelings. If we do the Brian method, which is shove it down in a deep, dark space. That's what it's called. Maybe I don't actively practice or recommend that method, but. We're just giving you credit for identifying. Yeah, okay. You've heard of it. Just want it up into a ball and shove it down deep. Yeah, keep it in there. Yeah, the natural working out maybe won't come. So in thinking of that, what are your thoughts? Like, when you just let something work itself out naturally.

I mean, I think that some of that can come from Brian's example of going to that bar and mingling in the loneliness example. But for anything else, it's almost like, let's say your thorn is more representative of, I don't know, let's say fear of heights. I have that. So that's a personal one for me. So the way I could work that thorn out would be to, I don't know how to say this. but I guess just go somewhere high and force myself to experience it and exposure therapy exposure therapy yeah

immersion right right yes and you see you know with the the heights how many years have you been afraid of heights go since as a kid since I was little as long as I know so you got way more I mean okay here's a good example we were all a dinner at your house and a bee shows up and I watched my entire family act like it was a murder hornet yeah is this the one scott No, this isn't the one that got in my mouth the other day. This is a different thing. But Wendy's right. It was the family thing where the bees decided, the hornet or the wasps, I guess they were, decided that now was the time.

This was the time to start showing up because prior to this, no bees all summer. We've been great. No issues. Yeah, we brought out some good food. Yeah. Okay. But what I watched is from grandmother to son to granddaughter, all like, you know, just kind of. And even though I think Taylor tried to be quiet, I could see it her face.

Yeah. And if you had to see Nick, you would have really seen terror because that kid hates bees. Right. So I'm telling you right now, this is where sometimes it's not your own maybe exact memory. It could be. But, I mean, mom was attacked by a swarm of bees that went into her hair and stung her head a million times. Yeah. Because she literally had a beehive hairdo, which is funny.

Sorry. Anyway, that's, she died in the 60s. That's what that was. And it was full of hairspray and stuff. And so they all flew in there and got stuck and swarmed. That would make you afraid of bees forever, guys, right? Yeah. Now, what she didn't do, what she did was protect herself from bees for the rest of her life and trained all her children to be afraid of them.

Well, yes, that and also, she's partially responsible for this. But the reason I think it's so bad for me is I had, I got a bee gotten a shirt while I was riding around on a bike. stung me and I'd never been stung before and I went home freaking out and I was real little but I remember this and mom like checked me couldn't find the stinger found the bite mark or the place where it's time but couldn't find it shook all my clothes out did the best she could sent me back outside got on my three-wheeler started riding down the street again and then I got stung two more times and the third time the stinger stayed by the same bee that she had in the shirt and never got out so I have my own little nightmare yeah course and that is a perfect example

example of it will keep happening. The thorn will keep getting, right? And what would it, what would a natural letting this work itself out would be? Is that, you know, potentially mom would have sought some help or mom would have processed that trauma. Someone could have helped her. Now, we're talking back when mental health wasn't even a thing. So I get why maybe none of that happened. But, right? So that might be an example. The other version of like, you know, recognizing maybe I've got to expose myself to bees and overcome this, like move towards the pain. Yeah, and you're not saying put like a full bee beard on. You mean like, you know, don't freak out at dinner when there's one on your plate.

Can you imagine mom with a, mom with a beard? I think there's places you can go where you can like, you know, have a professional coat you with bees or like give you a bee beard. I don't think I could do this. This sounds. This has got to do it, everybody. Horrendous. Your fear.

There's places in Vegas where you can have this done. Okay. So let's move back to Fear of Heights for a second. So I don't know if you know this, but grandma, when mom was like three or four years old, they were on a bike and she was on the back in one of those little car seats. And our grandma, they crossed the Golden State Bridge. And they got out to stop and look and take pictures. And grandma leaned the bike against the railing. So probably nothing dangerous, but just near it. And mom had, I mean, her fear of heights comes from that moment. Yeah. And I think, okay, so now you have a parent with fear of heights, right? So this is kind of an example of how thorns kind of get passed down because that fear is very contagious, right? Or, and then how you can actually address them is there's ways like exposure, etc.

Now, this is more like fear-based stuff, but let's go back to loneliness for just a minute. So let's say you are, you know, feeling. lonely, a natural workout might be like, okay, hey, my system is telling me I need people. So if there's no baggage there, I just go to the bar and chat with the stranger like Brian does, right? But when there's baggage there and it feels too risky or too scary, then you kind of build a whole world around actually keeping the thorn of loneliness protected, which means it keeps going. And like the bee, it shows up and you're like, I got to do it, I got to shut it all down or just prevent, prevent, prevent, right?

So one option is, I'm not going to just leave it with, let it work itself out naturally because that sounds, it's, it is really helpful, but it's hard to maybe do sometimes. Sure. So here's another version, and this is a little more of your exposure concept, is to let this, whatever it is come up, in fact, invite it, invite the thorn, the pain, and see if you can stay in your observation place. You're in the seed of observing. You're the noticer. There's so much power because the noticer is already free. The noticer is already not experiencing the pain. It's just noticing. So when you're in the panic or you're in the noticing, you're going to have a very

different emotional reaction. So the idea is that you bring it up to witness it and then work on letting it go. And the more you sit in that observer seat or in psychological terms, we call it self, when you sit more in self where you're curious, you're observant, you're open, the more you can see it like you're watching a movie as opposed to you are in the movie, right? It's also a little bit of, there's a little bit of something to watching somebody else deal with it well, like my brother Matt, our brother Matt, our Korean weirdo brother Matt, who came to America when he was like nine or something, he had, he came here.

One of the first things he did, one of my first memories of him is, going out to the backyard and him catching wasps with his bare hand for no reason just to catch him oh no he was pulling their i don't for whatever reason he's pulling their stingers out so he would catch a bee and he would hold on to it or a hornet and he would grab tweezers and pull a little thing out and he thought that was great he also microwave grasshoppers is a whole thing he did a lot of gross things but one time when he did that he got stung and i went that's what happened you get stuck you know i'm like over there going to preach into the to the world about how horrible bees are. And he looks at it. Doesn't make a sound. Didn't even really bug him.

Looks at his hand. Finds a brick wall and grinds his hand on this brick wall bloody until there's no stinger in there and then moved on to the next weird thing he did. And I know that sounds crazy, but there was something about that that made me go, oh, I guess you're in charge. It's not the bee. You're the adult. Yeah. Right. He was a very odd little dude. But when he did things like that, it actually kind of weirdly gave me confidence around bees for a for a period of time so even the other night when he's out there and he's dealing with the bees he's just batting him away smack in the wasp in the face and the wasp never came to do anything to him and i'd look at that and just go like what the frick what even are woss knows they smell fear but he can't see he's got the same

problem though or he's got his own problems we were talking about our uncle just passed away and i go matt you can come to the funeral and he goes oh i cannot i cannot see dead body cannot do it cannot do it yeah yeah because he grew up next to a crematorium as an orphan exactly like god really there's his trauma right there's his trauma he can't even smell he says smells like pancakes so every time i eat a pancake i think okay yeah he says it's like a sickly almost like a a syrup smell taste yeah yeah it's gross okay so so let me tell you my my bee because i come from the same fear of bee lineage i've never been stung but i was sure afraid of them for no reason, right? Because mom taught me to be afraid of them. And then I marry someone who's

like, we don't act this way. And really helped me just like relax around bees. And then my kids have been stung a couple times. And, you know, Abe specifically, he gets to choose one freshman seminar class that's just for fun. Guess what he's? The class is on bees. Yeah. That's not a full circle, right? Totally. Yeah, totally. Thank goodness. Someone not of our lineage. moved into my family. Anyway, but okay, so let me finish with the loneliness thing because I think this is, this is helpful. So if it's tempting to avoid situations that would allow some of these lonely feelings to come up, of course, that makes sense. We don't want to feel the pain. But when we are in those situations, they will come up and they can be released, right? Like those

bees can show up and you can relax and the bees will go away. Like that option isn't there if you do everything to stop that from happening. So, for example, say you're watching TV, You are absolutely in the observer seat, enjoying what you're saying, it's fun, blah, blah, blah. And now a couple falls in love, falls in love in the movie, and your loneliness thorn gets activated. So what do you do? So you can turn it off, right?

Yeah. Or you can notice that you noticed. Like, yeah, look at me, noticing that my loneliness thorn has been activated. And that you are the subject noticing the object. which is maybe the melodrama that might get stirred up. Aren't you worried, though, that your inner roommate's going to go, hey, what are you doing over there? What are you doing with the thorns?

Or whatever. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. You're just observing the inner roommate. You're going, you are the subject, and you're noticing the roommate. And you're noticing the drama that sort of... So he's not like a separate party butthole being a jerk in the room. No, no, no, no. He's just reacting, right?

Or they're reacting. Okay. And then here's the way out. the way out is you can't if you avoid watching the TV show and turn it off you have just said yeah we don't do that we don't watch anything that makes us sad you've just built another layer around your thorn right but if you sit and you practice noticing that you noticed and that you are actually the subject here and that the the storm of emotion is separate from you the way out is to just notice who is noticing because notice who feels the loneliness who

Who feels they're not loneliness? Is it you? Or is it the roommate? Right? And the noticer is already free. It can just see a thing and let it go just like you can do with the TV show. You can see a thing, witness it, and it moves past, right? Right.

And this may sound like, what? That sounds too easy. It's not. It's not too easy. It takes practice. It's also not as hard as we absolutely make it. Just like the physical thorn, we build a castle around so no one could touch it and then end all our relationships so no one gets near our pain, right? You think that's easy?

Yeah. That's like a lifetime of work and effort and having it backfire in major ways, right? Versus we let these thorns, we notice them, they come up, they get released. So the B is another example of just like I, and then by the way, I have been stung. I was 42 years old. Wow. It was the day I was moving, packing up, leaving Sweden, and a bee flew in and stung me on the toe and left. And I was like, you mother.

Because I got so far in life without a bee sting. And it felt like I'm already sad to leave Sweden. How dare you? But it was, and it hurt like a lot. And I was like, oh. But guess what? It just kind of went away. I could have added that to, oh, no.

Oh, see, it's proof. World's a terrifying place. Look out of bees. And then train my children to be afraid. And now they're going to be beekeepers. You know what I mean? Sounds like it. We could use them too.

These are, bees are endangered. So, so did you feel a little bit like, I don't know, it feels like people who went three years, three and a half years without getting COVID, suddenly get COVID.

It's kind of like that feeling of my, oh, man, my streak. You know what, this is another streak, Brian. We got a Johnson streak that got broken. We needed a new one of these. Yeah.

Yeah. I haven't barf since 2005. Do you know how long it was till I ate a whole hamburger? 25 years. Really? What? I used to have this like, oh, it's unlucky to eat the last bite, and it was 25 years. And I'm pretty sure Adam said to me, okay, if you love me, they eat that.

Because it's so annoying, because I was still hungry. And I'd be like, oh, it's bad luck. I love that. Magical thinking. It does something that we call the Tina 10% where whatever she's eating, she leaves the last 10% of it on her plate. Wow. She'd make a good swede.

They call it the Swedish bite. you don't ever especially in a group ever take the last item so an entire table will be full of one thing left on every plate yeah and i didn't know that and i just busted and ate all the last bits of things wow but now what happens now is there a burger if you've got a burger in front of you what do you do now do i do i eat it i was 25 i decided i loved him more than i loved my stupid made-up streak i know i practically squeegee the plate into my mouth for bread. It's like, is there some bread I can soak all that? You're going to finish that? Yeah, I do that all the time. More bread. Okay. Anyway, so in, in summation, so I can go eat because

you guys are making me hungry. Yeah, this idea of like, the noticeer has all the power. And in that very act of noticing, you have, you know, you're starting to remove the thorn. So if I was somebody who like, you know, is like, this is not a massive thing. And I need. professional help. This is just sort of a thing like that's been bugging you. Do something on purpose to have it come up and literally sit. Like maybe you're sitting as you bring it up and then move seats to the observer seat. Just in your mind, okay, I'm observing what happens when, you know, okay, they show a couple on TV and look at the circus that starts. Right? And you're just observing it. That act alone is what makes us really special as a species, right?

That's true. The rest of them aren't doing that. I don't know of any, like, you know, I don't think dogs, dogs are not aware of their selves. And who else messes with their, well, okay, a few of them do when they can, right? Like, cows get into fermented whatever for fun, if they can. But, like, who else tries to alter their perception and the reality all the time? We do, right?

Yeah. up appealing and this is just a stone cold sober version that doesn't have only has good side effects really yeah so give it a try and then if anyone has any follow-up thoughts or questions or they want to meet it like run through the three steps with something they provide or whatever i'm happy to do that okay um i just thought a series would be fun and here's the series there it is series conclusion don't forget this series it'll rerun this summer before uh all the premieres in the fall for it to get an syndication. Can't wait for that.

Oh, that's when the big money happens. Yeah, that's the big money. Wendy, before you go... You know what the humans love. We love drama. And this would be like drama reducing. Oh, hell yeah. Buckle up.

Get ready for the comedy is what we're bringing you. Real quick, I have a sound you made last time when you were on that I saved. And I just want to play it because it's great. So it's short. Here it is, like less than a second. That's a sound. I don't know what it is. You should have Brian's little thing about throwing up and then make that sound.

Yeah. Oh, I think he has. I've probably done various versions of that. But anyway, I'm going to keep that forever. It's a very special moment. We'll always cherish. And like today's episode, really. Wendy, have a fantastic week.

Thank you for all this. And I hope Abe's settling in and having a good time. And nobody's bringing weed into the room. All right. I'll see you next time. All right. There's that. We did it.

We got a quick little note here. Some programming reminder. Yeah, we got a coverville at one. Brian brought that up earlier. Yep, Led Zeppelin, if you're familiar with the band. Yep. Ah, that's the song I look forward to. That's right.

Core at 5 p.m. tonight. Core, that's right. The video game podcast that you have come to know and love will be at 5 p.m. We have a lot to talk about. Big week for some new stuff, including early access for Starfield, which launches. Oh, Starfield, right. Yep. Sea of Stars also came out in, and it's fantastic.

That's what I hear, yeah. Really good. If you like GRPGs, it's like a no-brainer. It's so good. Cool. Anyway, that'll be that. And then on Film Sack this weekend, we're watching Man on Fire, Denzel Washington, Tony Scott Joint, Dakota Fanning, very young still in this. Very cool movie.

One of my, actually, one of my secret favorites. So we'll see how it holds up. Yeah, before they get reunited for the new Equalizer film. Oh, they didn't. She's in that. I didn't know that. That's crazy. That's cool.

She plays a love interest. No, I don't know. Oh, my Lord. No, no. I've only seen the first one of those. I don't know how the second or. whatever is. Yeah, I think I've only seen

the first one as well now that you say that, yeah. They're kind of Wick-like, John Wickett? Yes, it's a Wick-like. It's a reach-er-like. Yeah, it's a reach-er-like. So check that out. Anyway, man on fire this weekend, watch for that. And we will be doing our play date on Saturday

after Film Sack. So we're aiming for about 11.30 a.m. And if you want to come play with us, that's a TMS play date. Still don't know what we're playing. I've been doing some research on some possible new game experiences, but most of them are either less players than we want or whatever.

I'm open to any suggestions. You know, we usually play things like Among Us or the Jackbox games. I'd love a One Night Werewolf style thing. We're not, are we close to a new Jackbox or did we just get one and I forgot? We're close to their latest, but we're getting close to their reported. Oh, 10, Jackbox Party Pack 10 is coming. Yeah, and I think that's maybe this fall. Yeah, October.

I think they're coinciding that, though, with like a launcher that will let you piecemeal all of their games and go, I want this and this and that. I mean, we already own them all, so it's not a big deal, but they're basically finally making like a hub for every game they've ever made. And so you can just buy them individually and add them to your launcher kind of thing, which I think could be really fun. That's a great way to compile your favorites or whatever. But I wouldn't mind Jackbox again, but I'm just curious.

If anybody out there has some rad idea, let us know and we'll be happy to consider it. but that's this weekend Saturday at 11.30 a.m. Be there. Also support us on Patreon. Tomorrow's a brand new month. Great time to join up at patreon.com slash TMS. We need your support more now than ever. And look, inflation may go up, but we haven't. Okay. We stayed the same. Our prices have not budged. So take advantage of that. You go out there and you pay your five bucks a gallon for gas. And you're like, oh, I remember when it was 350. Yeah, but over here at TMS, you're still paying that $1 or that $5. bucks or that whatever you're paying a month that hasn't changed that hasn't gone up so you know come on over take advantage of it before we we do decide to raise our prices i've been thinking about we should raise our prices scott let's let's do it we'll raise our prices but man if anybody gets in right now and gets in the patreon they won't have their prices you'll be grandfathered in exactly here's the

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Hey, you know what I do? I have one. I found one. Oh, thank goodness. This one's going out to Glitch. says, good morning, scream, and Banshee, your recommendal segment called me from the Gothic halls that I dwell.

No clue how many times you said Glitch, but it was far more than five, and now I got bees all over. I bring you the hauntedly vocalization, those don't work right there, of the classic Susie and the Banshee's song, City of Dust, also it's called Cities in Dust by Nightclub. Glitch, come on, man, come on. Proof-free these.

Hope you, Pee-Poo, love it like I did, your number one Iowa fan, which is idiot out wandering around. P.S. you all are sleeping on Street Fighter 6 and modern controls. Look, I like Street Fighter, and I think Six looks amazing. I'm just not in a fighting game mood. I do want to try out their story mode and all that stuff looks really fun, but I'm just not in the mood for a fighting game.

I'm rarely in a fighting game, rarely. Yeah, I'm not even that excited about, I mean, I'm excited about the new Mortal Kombat, but only really for the story. I don't actually want to play it. Is that a weird thing to say? It's just kind of how to have my hand. No, weird at all.

No. I'm behind you 100%. All right. So here it is. Susie in the band. She's sung Cities in Dust Covered by the band Nightclub. All right. That'll do it for us. Thank you guys for listening. We'll be back next week starting Tuesday. Taking Monday off for the holiday. Okay. That's what we do. Because we love you. Because we love you. So don't waste your day. Go out and do labor. All right. Do some labor. All right. That'll do it for us. We'll see you then.

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