The Morning Stream - TMS 2519: Mary Steamversion

Episode Date: September 7, 2023

Some people's mufky fufky is a sloppy joe. Beef Loaf. Jewish Wolverine is Shnict. Supernatural Pudding. Barbie Oppenheimer Checks In! I can't say that definition of sloppy joe. Is Meatloaf Sandwich in Urban Dictionary cos I like really wanted to know. Roulette is horrible. Eat More Spagaragus! Poop On A Plane! Turning up my headphones to drown out the stink. Paw Patrol Porn Packaging. This window hurts in perpetuity. *chikachikachika* I'M A WRITER! Lite Bright therapy with Wendi and more on this episode of The Morning Stream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

TMS is brought to you daily by the support of our patrons at patreon.com slash TMS, like Pixel Rage, Perplexer, and Katrina Dios. Coming up on TMS, some people's muffky-fufky is a sloppy Joe. Beef loaf. Jewish Wolverine is schnicked. Supernatural pudding. Barbie Oppenheimer checks in. I can't say that definition of sloppy Joe. Is meatloaf sandwich an urban dictionary because I, like, really wanted to know?

Rulet is horrible. Eat more spigaragous. Poop on a plane. Turning up my headphones to drown out the stink. Pop a troll porn packaging. This window hurts in perpetuity. I'm a writer. Light, bright therapy with Wendy and more on this episode of the morning stream.

I've read the transcript for verbatim, not verbatim, but I've read the transcript meaning like I've watched everybody read it on the news. Give it up, G, G, Unit. the morning stream it is the end of the beginning morning and welcome to TMS it's Thursday September 7th 2023 I'm Scott and that's Brian hello and you're right those things are both amazingly correct how did you do it I strive I strive for accuracy when it comes to that date you know yeah We want to make sure people know what show they're listening to and when they're listening to it. Or at least, they know when they're listening to it because it may not be when we recorded it.

That's true. You know, we're, they know when we recorded it. They may not know when they're listening to it. I've never done like a proper poll, I should ask, when our listeners like grab the show when they listen. Yeah, because I bet it's, I'll bet it's probably all over the map. We know we have some live people and we have some, you know, get it same day people. I'm right at that place, sorry. But when are there odd times people are listening to this show?

Are they like, make sure to do it every Saturday at 4 a.m. Or something weird like that. Right, right. I would love to hear. So tell us, let us know, you know. Be curious. Yeah, we have ways of contacting us. You can email us and tell us those things.

That's why we set that shit up. All right? Well, we know you're listening right now, Stephanie. Oh, I need to, I'll have to come up with my thwip. Stephanie and I have a thing, because we're both super. Spider-Man fans. We both love and adore the Spider-Man. And so our greeting is a five-word phrase, five-word statement that where each letter begins with THW-I-P in that order. Oh, I love that. So wait a minute. Give me an example. It's so much easier than some of them, right?

Yeah. So give me an example. How would that, what would a five-word phrase? Well, I mean, this window hurts in Pennsylvania. That's such a great example. Thank you for making me come up with that one on this one. I love it, though. I love it. Everybody's that one right now. So there we go.

Now, there we go. I can just type a tour and I'm done. Nice. I love it. This is a great way. People who are into Wolverine have to do the schnicked thing or whatever. They have to do snicked. Yeah, there's no age.

There's no age in there. the Jewish Wolverine does. I'm the best at what I do, and what I do hurts. It hurts. Every time. It hurts, Bob. Yeah. The Jewish Wolverine.

That's amazing. You should know from, you should know from snicked. Snicked. Exactly. So we're here. We got a show to do. It's the end of the week. Feeling a little tired.

I told Brian pre-show why. I was up pretty late. Plenty of video game. Shouldn't have been doing that. But that's okay because, you know... Certainly not in bed, Scott. You definitely shouldn't be doing that. No.

There's only beds for two things, remember? Two things. Remember? It's for sleeping. And it's for eating a sloppy Joe. Oh, yeah. That's right. Mufkey Fofky, I forgot.

And then third is Sloppy Joe. Then you have Sloppy Joe. Well, some people's muffky fufky is a sloppy Joe. Oh, geez. don't urban dictionary that one folks I'll bet that's got it I'm sure it's there I guarantee it's there right there's no way it is it hold on it's definitely I gotta know I have to know now

if there's a slide if there's a urban dictionary okay you're making me go back to the Adam Sandler talk to the sloppy Joe sloppy sloppy Joe okay wait a minute what was the word again I forgot so sloppy Joe the thing you were just singing all right sloppy Joe So, okay, number one is correct.

A sandwich made with hamburger meat and tomato sauce eaten on a burger bun. Okay, good. Sloppy Joe, a slang term. Oh, can't read that one. Really? Yeah, can't read that. Put in our chat. Because now I don't want to go look it up, but put it, I'm too lazy.

It's nasty, and I'm sending a tea now. Oh, there's others later. I won't even, there's worse ones. But I'll give you the one that's just the second in the list behind the proper one. here you go. It's now in our thing. The one that's most frightening to you. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah. Now, that's, that was not like the most horrible, you know, like that, this is fine. It's a little crass, but whatever, right? Yeah. This one, again, I'm not telling anyone in the chat or anywhere else. Now, that one, you don't want that. Oh. Yeah, none of this is good. No. No. No. No. Unsee. Yeah. I feel like Urban Dictionary might just be lying to us about these things. I don't know. No, but that is kind of what I would.

to expect if you were to tell me that that's what like if you were to say brian come up with a urban dictionary entry for sloppy joe probably would be something like that this would be the one i you know there are people think of it this way this is a comforting thought there are people who this is all you know user submitted so there are people who sit around going i wonder if i could go put this in in urban oh yeah right like you know right that's scary to me that they basically it's like all right furnace filter let's see what can I come up with furnace filter I don't even want to know a furnace filter is that patch of your underwear that blocks the farts when they come out that's the furnace filter and then someone will get inspired

and make something worse yep you're a writer well done you're an urban dictionary writer congratulations exactly yes actually it's pretty easy now the now that I've tried to do one Give me a well-known, like a household phrase or household object. Okay, meatloaf sandwich. Meatloaf sandwich. What's our definition? Meatloaf sandwich is when Charles Aday was really popular at the height of his career and he'd have two women in his dressing room before going out and singing,

I would do anything for love, but I won't do that. that's a meatloaf sandwich yeah that's actually i think that works that's not about that for pulling out meatloaf's real name charles a day oh now was that his name i've got it i don't remember i would have to trust you on this because i don't remember his name i might i might have gotten it wrong was mr loaf he just passed right a little bit ago so we did yeah okay we can talk about him without feeling like we're going to kill him it's fine yeah but steinman's still around his uh his frequent co-writer of those horribly melodramatic songs.

Oh, right. So people love, though. People love that crap, right? I never liked it. Oh, Marvin Lee Aday is his name. Marvin. Marvin Lee Aday. I was close. Not Charles. Marvin Lee Aday. You got the last name right, I guess, which is something. Pretty damn good. Yeah, meatloaf.

I'll never forget, meatloaf, and his efforts to sing. Whatever, he was a talented guy. I don't know why I said it that way. He's very talented. He was. He was talented. He was talented. But, I mean, it was all melodramatic. Like, there was nothing that he sang that didn't, you know, that wouldn't work well on a stage with a cape and a broken eye mask. Yeah, yeah.

That sounds right. I didn't know this. So while I was looking for meatloaf, I got a bunch of meatloaf recipes. Sure. It's a little weird because one of them is, they have things like glazed meatloaf, air fry or meatloaf, different kinds of stuff. and preparation methods. And one of them just says beef meatloaf, which I think is redundant. It is.

Why don't I just call it beef loaf? Yeah, beef loaf is better. I like beef loaf. Oh, what do we have in a night for dinner, huh? I'm making a beet floof. Beef loaf. Yeah. Do you want beef loaf?

Yes, I do want beef loaf. I'm trying to watch my way. How about a turkey loaf? Beefloaf. Beefloaf, beef loaf, beef loaf, urban dictionary. Urban dictionary, uh, definition for beef loaf. Oh, jeez. I don't know what it would be.

Here, I'll put it in our chat. A muscle, muscular man who's too lazy to get off the couch. Beef loaf. Yes. Now, a beef loaf is the little poop that comes out when you pick up a very heavy barbell. Oh, man. That's a beef loaf. Sneaky nut.

Yeah. A sneaky nut is not right. It's a sneaky loaf is what it is. That's true. Well, we've missed our column. Totally. If anybody wants to have their, make a name on Urban Dictionary, I've just given you two definitions that you can use right there.

Today is your day. Today is your day. It's also when Megas's day, sent a couple of messages that I want to read because I thought they're interesting. And these came one right after the other. So I'm going to read them as such. Okay. He says, and I don't know what this was in reference to, because it was obviously something

we must have been talking about. Yeah, I'm sure at some point we were talking about our beliefs in the supernatural. Something, ghosts or who knows what we were saying. But he says, I agree with most supernatural things are bullshit. But are there any supernatural things that either of you actually believe in? And when Megas in the chat says, same guy, do you or your family like haunted houses? So I think these go well together because they both are predicated on this idea that ghosts are real or not real or whatever. Or he could just mean, do you like, you know, going into an amusement park haunted house or a Halloween, like one of those ones that pop up around Halloween, do you or your family like those?

And you don't have to believe in supernatural to enjoy a good, a good haunted house. No, in fact, I feel like a good haunted house is proof. It's weird. I actually think it's proof there are no such thing as ghosts or hauntings. And the reason I think that. Because they would go and hang out in the haunted house that popped. up in the parking lot in front of the spirit of Halloween store? I just think we have

That's a callback folks. That's a good cause. A day of a 24 hour callback. I'm impressed with it. Yes. Thank you. No, it's like, how do I explain this? It's like, when you go into the dark and you feel scared and you hear a weird sound, the human's natural evolutionary state is to be scared and wary

because now you don't have your sight. So one of your senses, you're a key sense, is gone and you are meant to have the hair go back on up on the back of your neck but humans are also really want to they really want to explain things so it can't just be well um it my survival instincts kick in in a dark room with weird noises it has to be more than that in our heads we have to go no it's my uncle bill who died in a car accident but before that he had 20 bodies in the or whatever we have to fill in all these gaps to make it to justify our fear and i think i think that a good haunted house when they're the best they're the ones that just prey on your instincts

right just your just your just that feeling the dopamine rush you get when the hairs go up on the back yeah it's never like oh if this is a real haunted house oh gosh this is real there even though there's a dude who sometimes works at the hardies who's carrying around a chainsaw with a rubber mask on his face. I believe he might actually be a ghost. I mean, I, so to answer his question, I do believe that there are unknown things in this universe that if I came across one in its infancy, because it's so huge, that I would be like, whoa, I don't know what to make of this. It's like, what's that old phrase about science and magic? It's always magic until you figure out how it worked and then it's science after.

Some phrase. I forget the phrase. Sure. Okay. But the idea is indistinguishable from magic until you know how it works. or something. So give me an example of something that, or is it just the unknown, there's no way of saying, well, it would be this brand, but there's no way of saying what it could be.

For me, it's like, I need, I need, I guess what I'm saying is, could, is there, is it, is there a possibility that something could come along and, and, uh, it would be at least seen as supernatural that I would go, oh, okay, I guess I do believe in that because look at that

happening right now in front of me. But that's the point. I am a evidentiary kind of person. I need, I need, you can't just come in and go, last night, I was visited by a ghost. His name was Carl and blah, blah, blah. I can't, that's not, that's not evidence, that you tell me a story. Right, exactly. And chances are we could explain that story with wind or electrical short in the house, that sort of thing.

Any number of things. It's like, I have a, well, I won't get into that because I'll get in trouble. But there, I know some people who, you know, are certain ghosts. exist and they swear they've seen them. Sure. But I'm pretty sure that they've had, they got weird sleep issues. Well, Tina, you know, Tina is one of those that, you know, she believes that the ghost of her grandfather did a couple things to mess with it because he was always kind of a prankster.

And so there was a time that I wasn't home that a door suddenly slammed or a light went off or a Christmas ornament that was particularly his started moving on the tree when no other Christmas ornament on the tree moved. She, you know, she wholeheartedly believes that. I respect that. Of course, I love her. And I, I, I would never try and talk her out of that. I am a, I am a complete and total skeptic, but I'm open-minded.

If, you know, I have never seen any evidence that anything supernatural exists, but I'd be open to the proof if somebody said, well, actually, Brian, we do have some proof. And if it's, you know, irrefutable, then, then of course I'd go along. with and say, there we go. All right. Now I believe in it. Yeah, that's all I've ever asked for. Give me some proof.

And then, and I don't mean just like prove it you can't, not like that kind of proof. Right. I mean, like, I think if there's anything along those lines and really, I don't, I think if you really tend to me down and said, do you really believe it, Brian? I'd probably say I wouldn't. But just surface level, I kind of believe in luck. I think that comes in waves and phases. I think.

But really, again, like if you said, Brian, do you really believe in luck? I'd say, no. Well, I mean, you might say. Maybe I don't want to believe in luck. Or like, when I'm doing really well at the craps table, it's like, all right, I'm lucky. I'm doing all right. I got some luck going. Even though right down, I'm thinking, no, it's really just, you know, the dice have no memory.

You know, the fact that a seven hasn't come up in a long time just basically means that it hasn't come up and the dice haven't rolled it. See, now I think that you've illustrated this really well because we all have, we all have what we want to make of things. There's a desire to believe in something like that. Right. Right. And I, and I'm like, Lex a good one because that's, that you can't deny this feeling that you would get if you got, you're playing blackjack and you've got six hands in a row. That would be like, whoa, you would have to, your brain would start to ascribe this to something. Even if you couldn't really pin it on anything, you would still want to say, whoa, look. Look at the roll I'm on. I'm not stopping now.

I mean, it's half the reason casinos make so much money because people are like, well, I'm on a roll. I got to keep going. Exactly. I can't stop now. Oh, no, I had one that fell. That's the whole reason that roulette tables have that screen that tells you what the last 20 spins of the roulette wheel were. Right?

And it says, you know, seven, black three or whatever. I guess I don't need to explain what roulette wheel numbers are. But it shows you that list. So as somebody's walking by, they look over and say, whoa, there have been like 16 reds in a row. I'm totally going to run up there and put a bet on black because a black has to be the next one, has to come up black. Right.

It's like, nope. Nope. It doesn't work that way, doesn't it? No. It's almost a 50-50 shot because of the two little green spots or three if you're European or what is it? There's single double and triple zero that are green. I can't remember because roulette's horrible.

Rulet is one of the worst odds in the... Is it? I didn't know that. Bad odds? Yeah. Compared to other stuff. What did you say? You've told us this before.

Is it the worst odds or is there something worse in that? No, the worst odds, I believe, and we'd have to consult the Wizard of Odds. But the worst odds is the upright wheel of fortune machine that's got all the dollars laminated into the, like the actual bills laminated into the surface and you spin it. and it's like oh a $5 bill oh darn and you have to put your money on the what you think which denomination it's going to land on yeah it's going to land on that's the worst odds that seems they say that blackjack in a casino that a allows for surrender and um yeah big wheel i guess that's called a big wheel i'm a shovelord um so black check that allows surrender and maybe that's it is that the

only what does surrender do just let you not surrender is that lets you get half of your bet back after you see the dealer's up card so if the dealer's showing an ace and you've got a crap a crap hand you can surrender get your half your bet back and that way if the dealer does have blackjack you won't take all your money oh it's like uh um that's a little bit like folding and poker i guess kind of right kind of yeah it's it's basically right you're folding before the the final the final reveal. It makes sense. And it's,

I've rarely seen people do it. No, it's different from insurance, chinks. Because insurance... Actual insurance is also a bit of a gamble, but we're not talking about that. It's another big bit of a gamble. Yeah, what is insurance? Like, you stay in the game, but you're paying... Oh, no, no, insurance.

Maybe insurance... You're putting more money in for insurance, aren't you? I don't even know what that is. I've never heard of this game, insurance. No, insurance is a thing in blackjack. So if the dealer does pop up an ace, okay. I know that it's a sucker bet, but how does that work? I didn't know about any of these terms. I just thought it was a side bet offered to the player if the dealer's up card is an ace is insurance against the dealer's hand being blackjack. So yeah, you do pay a little bit more. And it is like insurance.

It is like insurance. And so. basically you just get paid two to one if the dealer has um if the dealer has uh blackjack yeah you like a good blackjack you like that when you play i do like playing blackjack i like uh like blackjack and pigo poker are really good if you just want to sit at a table and get free drinks because they could they can go really slowly um and i kind of always get frustrated when i if if i can like to get the third base spot on a blackjack table, which is the, you know, you've got like a little half circle of people on the blackjack table and then the dealer in kind of the center of this, this arc. And he goes from the dealer's perspective, left to right. So the person in

third base is the last person to make any changes to the status of the deck before everybody, before the dealer takes cards and the game is paid out. So you don't want somebody in the there who is not going to hit on 16 when there's um uh you know when when when they have a card that when the dealer is showing a bust card for example sure um or no i'm sorry when the dealer's not showing a bust card oh this this this would be a great gambling podcast right here but anyway i like sitting in third base because i like to be the last person i like to be the person that kind of helps determine whether or not the whole table wins or loses because i play i play i play You're right down the line the quote unquote perfect blackjack strategy, which is the card that you can buy in most casino gift shops that you can even have on the table that tell you, oh, you have this, dealer has this, you hit, dealer has this, you have this, you stand.

I didn't realize it makes sense to me now that I hear it, but I didn't realize your order of play mattered or can make a difference on your strategy. It can make a difference. And it's only, and it's, again, it's one of those things where you only notice it when it goes south. Yeah. TV's trying who says, all Scott is hearing right now is a muted trombone. So I'm basically the peanuts. No, I'm fascinated by this because I've never, I always thought I was just sit down closest to 21. Like it didn't get more complicated than that.

All these terms, I never heard of these. And technically it doesn't. Because, again, with that third base position, you only are aware of it when things go bad. and when the third base player should have taken the car that the dealer then takes and wins the game and takes everybody's money. Right, right. So. That makes it sound rigged, but it's not rigged.

It just sounds rigged. No. Yeah, it's in their favor. There's a house edge. Yeah, house edge. Everything in the casino is geared to make the casino money. That's true. Remember that, kids, when you go there.

And if you have a streak of luck, great, enjoy it. But don't ascribe it to some. some magical being that's helping you win, you know. Exactly. And to answer when it makes the second question, half an hour later, uh, I like, I do like haunted houses. The best ones I ever went to were in, um, Knott's Berry Farm when they turn it into Not Scary Farm at night in, uh, in October. Did that years and years ago. It's very good. Oh, so good. And they just basically have a bunch of different haunted houses set up and you just go through them and they're fantastic.

Yeah. I, I'll, I like them. I'll even like a local one. There's this one called Tower of is it Tower of Terror? No, that's the name of the the Disneyland ride. It's something close to that. It's the name of the Disney World ride, but Right, right, but there is a Disneyland anymore. Oh, that's right.

They changed it to the, it's Guardians now. But anyway, it was like a big old building downtown that was going to get torn down and instead somebody swooped in, bought it, got it up to code, and then converted it to a big walk-through thing. And it's there all year, but they

don't run it except for certain times of the year. So they're in the fall. But they've like kept it getting demolished. Yeah, and it's cool. It's freaking rad in there. I don't, I mean, I'm not going all the time. I'll go. I'm not, I'm kind of neither here nor there. It's like, hey, we got, we got free tickets to the haunted house. You want to go? Yeah. Exactly. But I don't, I don't say, oh, hey, hon, this weekend is the weekend that the, you know, the tower of horror opens up. We got to go. Yeah. And by the way, on the, on the, on the larger question of supernatural things,

I am open to anything, like Brian said. I just, I just don't see any evidence of anything. It's just like, it's fun to talk about. We make movies about it. I love, you know, I love genre, movies and comics and TV and stuff. Like, all that stuff is great. You know, we love our Marvel and our DC content. That's full of supernatural stuff that would never happen. So obviously, humans like it.

We like to explore that. It's fun. But I've never had, I've never been at dinner and had some ghost walk up and grab my hand and say, eat more spigaragagus. Why can I say asparagus? Eat some more asparagus, they say. And lead my hand to the bowl of asparagus, that sort of thing. Another slice of beef loaf.

You know you want more beef loaf. I'm the ghost of beef loaf. The ghost of beef loaf. Thank you, TRPW for that. Or no, I'm sorry, WinMegas. TRPW, I have to thank for a different thing. He sent a quiz in for Brian, and we're going to do it real quick. All right.

I've got to pull up the data here. You can't see it. Okay. So here's... I don't, yeah, it'll be bad. here's what he said. He said, I was at the literary quiz the other weekend, the music roundtable had a couple of questions that might stump Brian. So here we go. Probably will. Question number one. Oh, if you get something right, we'll give you one of these. If you get it

wrong. All right. You know the girl. Perfect. Okay. Yep. Question number one, the song Wild Boys by Duran Duran, a band you just song concert. Yep. is based on a novel of the same name by which beat generation author. So there is a Wild Boys song that's based on a book, a novel by the same name, who wrote that novel? Interesting. Okay. Didn't know this.

But let's see. I mean, beat generation novelist, I would go with, I was like, would Hunterist Thompson considered Beat? He was in that era. It was definitely that era. You're in the right zone. For sure. Yeah, Kurt Vonnegut or Slaughterhouse Five.

I'll give you a hint that made a movie of this that had Peter Weller in it, if that helps. The guy that played Robocop was in it. Yeah. Am I not naming the author? I'm naming the book. You're naming the author? Oh, no. See, what is, let's see, there's a B generation novel.

Oh, I'm just giving, you know what? I'm giving you, it's kind of the wrong hint. It's the same thing, though. So you're giving me the author, but he also, I'll get, so here's the hint. guy who also wrote a movie that Peter Weller was in. And I don't think he'd give you away if I told you what that novel was. It's a different novel. No, tell me.

Wild Boys, but it was Naked Lunch. Does that help you at all? Oh, Naked Lunch. Yeah, which is the one that David Lynch did the movie for and the, was it not David Lynch? What am I thinking of a different thing? That's the other guy who does gross stuff, the controller guy. Yes, yes. Existons guy.

Yes, all right. Well, I'm not going to get caught on that. Naked Lunch was written by Shoot, I'm not going to remember it And I'm going to kick myself as soon as you say it The answer is, ready? You want me just give it to you? I can give it to you.

Do it. William Burroughs. William Burroughs, yes. It's a hard one to remember. But yeah, he did. He also, Nicked Lunch featured Steely Dan, which also inspired the rock name or the band Steely Dan. Do not ask. Yeah, Steam Power Dildo.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know if the movie Naked Lunch had if it featured a steam-powered dildo or not i mean featured included i think i think there was a steam-powered dildo okay yeah cronenberg was the right the cronenberg there it is david cronimberg psychopath that guy um all right here's one for you great start yeah question number two there's really only two of these so this is easy yeah okay there is there is a litter i mean that is more of a literary question than a music question you're right i was hoping i was

hoping it was going to be what was the name of the concert film where uh that featured the debut of Wild Boys. And you would know that. Arena. Yeah, you would know that. All right, here's number two. The Kenny Rogers slash Dolly Parton's song, Islands in the Stream. Yeah.

Islands in the stream. Which is not really there. I mean, they covered it. They're not the original artists. Holy shit, really? Yeah. Yeah. Another one I would never guess.

The Bee Gees, my friend. That was a Beegee's song before it was a Kenny and Dolly song. I can hear it kind of now that you say. I mean, I could hear them doing that. Maybe when I met you, there was peace. I might have actually heard it now that you say it yeah I think I've heard that version all right I know I need to red fregles reminding me I need to make the t-shirt the t-shirt's gonna say did you know that was a cover yeah that's a great shirt that's all it says that's a great you know coverville's

phase 10 the new shirt should say that exactly yeah so kenny rogers dolly parton islands in the stream takes its title apparently a different man took the title but anyway it takes its title from a novel by which Nobel Prize-winning author who died in 1961. And your hint is, dogs. Dogs. Okay. So I'm going to say it's the writer of Call of the Wild. And that writer's name is...

That writer's name is Jack? Jack. Jack? off Jack Lord? No, that's an actor. Jack Lord was an actor. Jack,

Jack, oh my God, who did Call the Wild, who wrote Call the Wild? Jack, my trivia team is hearing this right now. They're like, okay, well, we need to find a replacement for Brian. Jack London. Jack London, let's find out if that is correct, is it? Oh, I'm sorry, it was Ernest Hemingway. And the reason I said dogs is he loves.

loved his dog, so it's a little... He did love his dog. Yeah, I mean, Call the Wild also, Jack London loved his dog, too. Oh, Jack Lyndon died in 1916. Wow, okay. Oh, what? Really? Wow.

That's way earlier than I thought Jack Lyndon. I thought you were going to say... He said somebody like still was writing in... Yeah. I thought you were going to say like 85 or 89 or something like that. Yeah, yeah. I did not know. That's how old Jack London...

Jack London was. Yeah. I keep saying Jack Lord. Well, anyway, congratulations, Brian. And you got both wrong. I skunked. Skunked that one, which is fine. That's a good, that is a good music literary quiz, though,

because there are so many, so many novels that take their names from, sorry, that take their names from novels. He says in a PS, we came in third in the quiz, this TRPW. We were a team of two ordinary and most other teams had six people, and we were made up of writers and people in book publishing. The winner, the winning team featured Mick Heron, who wrote the books behind the Gary Old. Oldman's Slow Horses TV show.

Oh, really? Have you watched that yet, by the way? Yes, I watched the first season. I haven't seen the second that's out now. Oh, God, so good. I loved it. Oldman plays such a great but despicable character. No, it's like, I don't even know what to compare it.

It reminded me of something the whole time I watched it. Yeah. But honestly, I couldn't tell you what it was. So I guess it's just him. But there was something about his portrayal that was like, yeah, kind of unlike other things I've ever seen him do. He was, he's really good in that. I mean, he's good and everything, whatever.

He's good, yeah, you can't, I mean, I can't name a bad Gary Oldman thing. I'm trying to think of I can. I'm sure he's been in bad movies, but he's never bad in them. No, I mean, I remember seeing him, and the first thing I ever saw him in was Sid and Nancy, and I liked him better than the real Sid Vicious when I see, like, you know, the great rock and roll swindle, and I see the real Sid Vicious, I'm like, oh, he's not as good as Gary Oldman. The guy he played is not nearly as good as the guy playing.

Exactly. To me, it's like, let's see, what was the first one I ever saw him in? I think it was probably the professional. Like, I saw him later. Oh, sure, yeah. I didn't see any of that early stuff. But still, when he turns around and says, like they said, if you want us to kill boss or whatever, and he turns around and yells, everyone. Yes.

Oh, yeah. Just makes me shaking my boots. So good. Anyway, that's good stuff. Let's now do some news for the day. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. In the news this morning, good morning.

it's time for news and hey it's brought to you by brought to you by coverville wow it's going to be a triple tribute a tribut tribut no can't do it celebrating not celebrating a mourning the death celebrating the music of three musicians that we lost in the last week or so of course Jimmy Buffett Steve Harwell a little bit of smash mouth and Gary Wright covers of and by all of those artists

today on coverville um aside from gary right you know i'm not i can't say i used to be a big jimmy buffett fan like in the um late 80s and early 90s i had a friend named donnie and donnie was like beach guy and he and i would listen to jimmy buffett all the time and i think i just got burnt out on all the jimmy buffet stuff yeah um you know smash mouth that first album had their moment but then steve started getting really weird and doing stuff so it kind of became like a maybe i'm not a big fan of smash mouth anymore um uh and then uh but gary right i've always really liked and his two big hits were uh dream weaver and love is alive and so you'll hear covers of both of those today on the show nice very nice check those out everyone yeah here's a story that everybody sent me but i'll give

andy credit because uh you posted another discord and i thought you know what we'll use the we'll use our discord news posts before anyone else but thank you for the hundreds of people who sent this Yes. I mean, this is basically, you sent this because it's Scott's worst fear factor 11. Yeah. Factor 100. Cranked up to whatever you can crank it up to. A Delta flight. And I fly Delta when I fly. I like Delta. Because it shows. Forced into an emergency landing by a passenger's diarrhea. Diarear. This guy, and the way to describe it is up and down the plan. plane. Quote, this is a biohazard, unquote, says the pilot. Oh, my God. This one going from Atlanta to Barcelona. Long flight, too. Jeez.

Yeah. Anyway, forced to turn around and make an emergency landing after a passenger, quote, had diarrhea all the way through the plane. Now, I've seen, it's not on this link, but I've seen video. It just showed up on TikTok yesterday. Wes, in the chat room, it's Virgins Diesel, everybody. Get your picks in, Wes. It says the audio is great. So do you have any audio? I don't think I do. Dang it. But now that he's got it, maybe I can, hmm, yeah. Because I'm really curious, while you're finding that, I'm curious as to what this means.

Like, they're in their seat, they have diarrhea, they crawl out, run up and down the plane, trying to get to the bathroom, and it's just going. It's everywhere. It's all over the place. It's all up and down the aisle. And the video I saw showed it. This was after the fact while they were cleaning. somebody shot video oh my god i just basically have to go into uh into hiding yeah what would you

what would you do if you were sitting there what would you do internally mentally if i'm the if i'm the person who's having this problem oh my gosh dude can you or if i'm if i'm somebody else on the plane what do you let's say you're the other person on the plane what do you do if you're just someone who's witnessing this and you realize what's happening and you're on this flight above the atlantic ocean yeah what do you what do you do you how do you how do you uh how do you create a wall around your life. Oh, God. I mean, I travel with a mask, so I would absolutely put the mask on.

And I think I'd put, like, I'd ask the flight attendant if they've got anything like in any sort of snack food, maybe peanut butter or something, they probably can't do peanut butter because of allergies, but something that I can put, smear a little bit inside the mask so that I'm smelling peanut butter and not smelling poop. you know like give me do you have a mint that I could just put inside the yeah I'd want something like that

I'd put headphones on I would crank my headphones up I would I would try to block the world out I just I mean fix vapor up yeah if you happen to have any fix vaporub handy that's what coroners use they put some of that on their upper lip and it masks the smell of the stuff that they're doing I would die

but but if you're the dude that this is happening to I mean once that plane lands. There is nobody by that name. I'm living in a different city. I don't care. Maybe my stuff is still at my house. I'll start a new life somewhere else, but I'm not going to be, I'm not Brian Ibit anymore. I am someone else. Self-imposed witness protection program. That's what I would do. I would get the F. I would never. I can't think I hear the story and I think about the guy in the the high roller in Vegas that we saw the aftermath of who was furiously cleaning his pants

in the bathroom of the high roller because for 30 minutes he was stuck on that thing and couldn't contain himself. It happens, but I don't want to be this guy. Here's what the pilot said, he says. This is an actual quote. He calls the air traffic control. We've got a passenger who's had Daya Freer

all the way up and down the plane. so they want us to come back to Atlanta over and they did they flew back to Atlanta which really sucks they did make it they got a flight reschedule

they got there the next day eight hours later than scheduled it is not known if the passenger who had this problem was aboard the plane when it touched down in Spain according to Zoe he was he was still he made it

they all go back on the plane later including that person she said I'd be far too embarrassed to get back on with the same person I couldn't do it. Oh, my God, I know. To be like another nine-hour flight or however long it is from Atlanta to Barcelona, it's like, nah, I'll catch the next one. Thanks.

You know what? I don't even think I really want to go to Spain. I'm going home, I'd say. I really would, especially if I lived in Atlanta and they flow back there, I ain't going on getting on that plane. Yeah. I may have lost. Oh, how was Barcelona? Yeah.

They decided not to go. My new name is Frank. Frank. Yeah, it's rough stuff. I feel bad for, I feel a little bad for the guy, but also, whatever. I don't know what I would do. This is all just a nightmare. Absolute freaking nightmare.

The only thing worse than this is if they couldn't get out of the plane because the tarmac was, you know, track full of traffic or something. Oh, right. There was another plane at the gate. Well, we're just waiting for a... Oh, dude. I just don't know how long I can handle it. How long could I handle it?

I would have to compartmentalize in ways that I, I don't think my brain currently allows. But you agree that between being someone on the plane versus being that dude. Yeah. Oh, I'd way rather be someone on the plane and not the dude. Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah.

Like that poor guy. Yeah. I think, okay, like in order of who I wouldn't want to be, at the top is that dude. Second is the flight attendants. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, or the cleanup crew, then the flight attendants, and then another passenger. I'd say, even I get more granular, I'd say if you had an aisle seat, you've got it worse than me at the window.

Oh, then a window, unless you're at the window right, like if he's at a window and you're right behind him. Oh, I didn't think of that. Oh, the person sitting next to him. All right, so that dude, person sitting next to that dude. Yep. Person sitting in front of and behind that dude, we'll lump those two together. Yeah. But then you have aisle because he went up and down the aisle.

Yep, yep. Ile would be bad. Yep. And then middle person and then window people. And then, right. And then flight attendant and then captain. Captain. Maybe co-captain.

They've got a nice door. They've got, he just has to turn the plane around. He probably isn't smelling any of this stuff. Yeah, and they're locked in there. Right. Okay, well. If you look out the left side of the plane, you'll see me running out the door to the right. yeah he doesn't nobody please don't turn on your weird little air thing above your head don't do that

because who howdy yeah exactly a nightmare a nightmare uh let's move on to this story uh i don't know what little well anyway um little is a brand they make paw patrol snacks l-a-d-l yes okay so that's why that name's weird to me anyway uh they make pop potato chips too they make but yeah they make a bunch oh i'm sorry it's a grocery store yeah this is a grocery Oh, is it Little's the supermarket? Oh, yeah, you're right. Okay. Yeah.

Supermarket Giant Little has issued a recall of Paw Patrol snacks after the website listed on the products, packaging, so printed on the packaging, began displaying explicit content unsuitable for children. Whoops. Yep. Oops. They operate more than 12,000 stores globally.

It urged shoppers in the United Kingdom to return their stuff for a full refund. So Zoe, get on that before it's too late. affected products include Paw Patrol Yummy Bakes Paw Patrol mini Biscotti Or Biscote Biscote

Whatever you say it How'd you say that thing? Is it Biscotti? Yeah I always feel like it The What was the last time You were in a coffee shop, Scott?

My gosh. Well, I heard Tony Sopranos say it different the other day And it threw me off Carmelah What are you going to give you The Gagalgole Biscott

He's like Hey, Carbella Hey Hey, come into the Bada Bing later it's pretty dead on it moves into Popeye territory really quickly a little bit but it's okay

we'll allow it Popeye was really originally in Italian anyway so it all works out anyway so these snacks if you bought any of these they warn that the product packaging contains a web address that has been compromised to display content

quote not suitable for child consumption and these are this is based on the Paw Patrol little kids cartoon I think in a toy line and all that so we recommend that customers refrained from viewing the URL and return this product to the nearest store

where refunds will be given. They did not say how or why the website was allegedly compromised, but TechCrunch's findings suggest that the web domain on the package had lapsed. At the time of the writing, the website was appyKidsco.com. I kind of want to look and see what's there.

I just need to know. It's funny that they give us the URL. I love it. I just need to know how bad this could have been. well it's not secure oh right now it's just like a it's a chinese park so it's parked yeah you need to open it on your phone because the thing only comes up when you open it from a device with a smaller screen really yeah do that then hold on we're going to use uh duct duck go's browser here yeah yeah exactly yeah appy oops why didn't that work it's not working oh there we go appy kids co Boy, I hope this isn't something really bad.

I bet they fixed it by now. I think so? Okay. I hope so for my sake, because I'm about to go in. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Chinese porn site. Oh, well, yep, for sure.

My gosh, what is Rubble the dog doing? I don't want to know. What are the Paw Patrol dogies doing? Asian porn. Good luck to you. Ow, ow, ow, ow. Why is that repeating? Why is that an animated gift?

Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. Yeah, why are there. 15 tabs open to my phone all of a sudden what's going on yeah exactly oh how do i close it now i don't know i that's why i like that's why i like that they're uh the duck duck go browser they have this little flame button and you just hit it and it flames everything nice just kill it with fire yeah basically so watch this i'll if i go search for something i'll just do a search come on although iOS is being funky right now okay i just search for for just nonsense how is marshall putting out of fire with that so then what you do is you hit

this little fire button and then it says clear everything and it goes oh look at that oh I love it oh my god that's fantastic yeah that new browser is awesome I love it I got to download that for my phone it's real good Brian real good we got another story about a woman

named Barbie Oppenheimer that's real no yep she says she's having she's having trouble checking into hotels now because of this whole movie business um real let's see

this isn't real there's really a woman named Barbie Oppenheimer? Yep, her husband's father is third cousins to J.R. Albert Oppenheimer, so they're actually related. That's the surname. But her name is Barbara. She does go by Barbie with her friends, though. Sure. And so it says this, with the release of the

Barbie movie in Oppenheimer, although this is Oppenheimer-on. Oh, they mean on, like there's just no space. That's a typo. It's a typo. Oh, gotcha. Okay. The same weekend this summer, everybody was feeling the Barbenheimer fever. I hate that. None more than Barbara Oppenheimer. It says here in a recent interview with Slate

about how she found out the recent Barbenheimer summer as someone who inadvertently has an on-themed name. Quote, I had college friends around the world texting me that weekend when the movies came out with the whole smear, you know, the bomb and the bombshell, she told the publication.

It's pretty funny, she says. It was a brilliant thing that they launched them together. I really brought people, or no, it really brought people back into movie theaters. Was she just like, she paid by the movie theater? I know, exactly. Is she entertainment tonight in disguise? Yeah, that's weird.

It says here, when asked which film she liked better, she replied, I can't choose. I'm glad I saw both. As a fan of both films, she's going to watch the films again, and even sporting a t-shirt of the infamous meme. I'm going next week with a group of women. We all wear pink. And we'll all wear pink.

I'll wear my Barbenheimer T-shirt, he added. Oh, I'm glad I read this story. Gosh, dang it. I was really hoping I'd least be you know I want more about how it inconvenienced her but instead she's just like You never explained why she has a hard time checking into hotels

Yeah Instead she's just into it She's just into it now I don't know I don't get it Yeah But like would she get to the hotel And they said oh we thought it was a joke

So we gave away your room I don't know Regardless of a credit card Whatever I mean what is Yeah I'd love to know I feel like we're not getting enough story Yeah no thank you Indy 100 for that

non-news story. Yes, the very popular Indy100.com website that we all go to daily to get our information. Yes, you're no longer my source for what's going out of the world. That's right. Well, let's see if Fox59 com can help us out. I almost read this as Coverville Man, which is why

I know, yeah, at a glance, it almost does look like it. But instead, it's Centerville Man, spread some love by waving at passing cars while fully... Nude! Nude! Nude! All right, good. Yep.

Court documents revealed that the Centerville man's, Centerville, Indiana. Was he waving with his hands? I hope so. He told police he's experiencing a spiritual awakening and decided to, quote, spread some love, unquote, by standing in his doorway and waving at people who drove by US 40 on US 40. Only problem he was completely buck naked. Elijah Baker, age 42, was arrested on Saturday in charge of possession of methamphetamine. Oh, there it is.

There it is. It feels like they could have included the drug part. An unrelated story? Let's see here. According to court documents, they were called out of these apartments. And just across from the Centerville Bottle Shop, I don't know what that is. Departments have an appearance of an old motel with windows and doors facing the highway and visible two passers by. According to police.

The apartments have the appearance of an old motel. Yeah, because those apartments are probably an old motel. Yeah, I don't know. Like, yeah, the motif we're kind of going for is old motel with these apartments. That's right. That's right. Look at this view. You got the freeway right here. And over here you got the bottle company.

Amazing. Exactly. With blood stains and a weird brown thing on the mattress. Yeah. It says officers reported arriving at his apartment finding the front door wide open and the curtains pulled away to allow full view inside of his apartment, which included a fully nude barker. Nude barker. That's right. The hot.

Price is wrong, bitch. Anyway, some real winners today we got here on the show. We're going to take a break, and we'll talk to a real winner. My sister, Wendy. She's a Wender. Anyway, we used to call her that. We used to call her Wender for a while. Wender?

She was a kid, yeah. Be like, hey, Winder, get the door. Yeah, I don't know why we did that, but we did. Anyway, she's back. I think she's been back for a couple of weeks now. Anyway, we got a brand new email today to discuss since we finished our last little three week experiment. And so look forward to that. It's a new, it's a new storyline. So if you've, uh, if you've missed the past few weeks, don't worry, you're, yeah, you're coming

to the right. It's like an anthology, really. Exactly. Yeah. All of them will connect at the end, but you don't need to start over. You'll be fine. Right. Same actors. That's right. Uh, so that's coming right up. And before that, though, we got to break it with a song and I'll bet you Brian's probably going to bring something like that to the table here. Chop, chop. I have a band called Archive. Probably makes it, again, a little tougher on their SEO. But that's all right. They have a brand new single called VICE. That's not what we're going to be hearing, but they do have a brand

new album called Call to Arms and Angels. This one comes out October 6th via Danger Visit Records. Yeah, they are a South London collective. This stuff is really, really good. This is another single that they've released from the album called

We Are the Same. Here is the band Archive. Sometimes I think we're going to say we're not the same. eye away oh sometimes I think we're all the same

In the day in the darkest time In the darkest time All night fly So I fell in bright In the day time In the light's time

In the light's time I'm terrified I'm terrified I analyze being you sometimes Then I am pain Oh

Sometimes I think we're all the same In the night time In the darkest time All night to fight So I found mine In the daytime the lights are tired You're not my kind

The bones are breaking So it goes It goes It's always shaking And I'll follow I'm terrified I analyze this I'm terrified

of becoming this sometimes I think I'm not the same That I obey Oh Sometimes I wake We're all the same In the night

In the darkest time All night is right So I'm by the mind In the day of time In the light of night Do that's time You're not my kind Do that again.

Do that again, I'll break your fingers. to sit on that nasty dragon. Oh, you can go shit in his hat. Pretty sure the television's greatest villain is Tony's mother. Oh, God, yeah. She's terrible. Anyway, hey, who is that one more time, so we know. Yeah, that's the band called Archive from their brand new album,

which comes out in about, uh, a month. The album is called Call to Arms and Angels. That is the single, We Are the Same. Another great song to add to your big TMS list. That's right. So many, so many great songs. If you're keeping track, we're up to

many. Oh, we're all the way to many? Holy shit. We've reached many. I didn't predict we'd get there that fast. We're out of the lots and now we're in the many. Oh, that's good. You find songs that we've played on TMS over the years. There have been a lot.

you guys look when it happens it happens all right we're just here you can't i can't expect i can't explain it i can't predict what it's going to happen it just happens i just realized certain keywords certain words trigger it and many happens to be one of those words one of those words that will always trigger this every time by the way i just realized i needed to delete those uh those two um what do you call them the images i just put up of urban dictionary uh definition oh yeah before Wendy comes in? Before Wendy gets here, it's like, wait a minute, what did she think we were doing? Maybe take out that link to the Chinese nude gift site. Yeah, that'd be a good idea, too. Thump, thump, thump, thump, um, oh, you'll find out soon enough there, Wendy. Here's your intro. I'll explain the situation to Wendy. Don't worry. Oh, that's appropriate. Hi, it's my sister Wendy, everybody. She's a therapist and comes on the show on Thursdays and helps you guys with your problems. How's your week? How are you doing? Good. Good. My kids aren't to go. Yeah. Yeah, you're back to be in, um, whatever, I guess, for a certain kind of, He's kind of like empty nesting.

It's empty nesting for about six hours a day, five hours a day. How's it doing up at the college? Is he doing all right? He's doing great. He's doing great. Yeah. He's having fun. It's fun to see him learn how to manage life a little bit.

Yeah, always fun. It's a good little learning experience. If he starts sending home too many pictures of him standing there with like those red cups, you know. Too many parties, too many hanging out. I don't know. I'm not trying to make anything of it. It's time to pull the rip cord.

Yeah. Bring him home. It's a whole 20-minute drive. Well, I'm excited for him and you guys and everybody. I think that's awesome. It's very cool. And also enjoy your quiet time while you have it for this semester of school. We're going to get right into it.

And Wendy brought with her, oh, did I, before I do that, did I play this for you last week. You made a weird noise on the show. Did I do this? Oh, yeah, you did, but play it again. Let's hear it again now. All right, let's play it again, because I love it. It's one of my favorite things you've ever done, if I can find it here. All right, just so Wendy's a consummate professional, right? She's always just, you know, ready to do the right thing, whatever. But then she made this sound. All right? So just remember, just remember this. It's not like the noise that I made before I had to take my headphones off. I didn't go throw up, yeah. That sounds about right. But anyway, let's forget about that and play it one more time.

All right, Wendy, let's get to this email. We got an email and we're going to do it today. This is from... Okay, wait, wait, hold on. Before we go there, speaking, you just have to ask if you saw the news article about that Delta Flight to post it. Yeah, we did it today on our news segment this very day. Boy, do they know, people know the perfect article for TMS or specifically Scott.

Yeah, how horrible is that? Oh, this is Scott's literal nightmare. Is this poor person? Oh, this is my, this is my unreasonable nightmare. And by unreasonable, I mean, you know, the chances of it happening are probably very low. But now it's possible. Now that it has happened, you know it could happen. It just seems like a nightmare.

And they got halfway to Barcelona before they turned around. Two hours, not halfway, but also two hours. Two hours. How long's the flight? It's like eight hours, right? So, yeah. Yeah. But that means two hours out and two hours back.

So, I mean, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine? You know how I'm just annoyed you are with people generally on a plane? Can you imagine? Yeah. Now I'm going to be paranoid if I'm in a plane and everything's quiet and I hear somebody go. I'll be like, no, it can't happen. Not to me, not now. Total nightmare. It's hard to say we were talking about this when we talked about. I don't know what's the worst fear is being on the plane with this guy or being the guy. Probably being the guy. Oh, being the guy is absolutely the worst. Yeah. Everyone hates you and you have no. I mean, I'm sure there was a, a few nice people going, oh no, he's living my nightmare. I'll be kind. But I would say I was probably pretty mad. People were probably pissed and weird about it. And what do you, in the two hours back,

was he just like, what did he do for the whole for the two hours back? I don't know. Oh my gosh. But it's a biohazard. So there is not an option. And you, you're that far in. It's terrible. Oh, my God. That's awful. Yeah. It's like travel was in the 1600s in a boat or something. It's just Anyway, well, I'm glad you brought that up again. Let's talk about this message, no problem. We got one from a Toronto, Canada resident who would like to be anonymous. And they are a longtime listener and a first time textor. This actually can't be a text.

This is something to ask Wendy perhaps later in the month before fall hits. Well, it's a perfect time for that. I suffer from what doctors call mild SAD or sad or seasonal effective disorder that hits every fall, usually at the end of October. I know you've talked about it on the show before, but I was wondering, is there something I can do now in the summer while I'm feeling great to prepare for the impending wave of sad I know is coming? I currently take vitamin D in the winter and I do some light therapy, but I was wondering if there was anything I could do now. So when sad hits, it's less severe. Love the show, though. The light therapy, they don't mean like, oh, I'm doing some light therapy.

She means like therapy with lights, like light-based therapy. Like light. Okay, got you. Like to simulate longer daylight hours? I love actual light therapy with people, though, because you're like... Yeah, just chill. It's just easier. Just easy, chill light therapy.

Yeah, no, we mean with lights. Yeah, yeah. And this might... So funny enough, Winnie and I both grew up in a house where our dad, I don't know if it was ever, like, officially diagnosed this way or if he just, you know, dad did a lot of self-diagnosis, I think. But he said, he always told us he had this seasonal effective disorder and he had these lights that were like crazy bright that were supposed to be tuned just right for this or something I remember as a kid thinking it was hockham and weird but I guess there's you know some evidence

that it works but yeah we kind of grew up around that and I think I get a bit of this too I think a lot of people get a little down just you know they head toward winter and everybody gets a little everyone's a little off but I think some people just get way worse so Wendy are there ways now I mean you probably like hearing this right someone's someone wants to prepare and get ahead of it, you know? Great. Yeah, that seems like a positive move. It sounds like it's been a couple years, right?

Like this is. Yeah. Or like enough to notice. So something, a couple things, let's just talk about what it is for a second. And some numbers I thought are a little bit interesting. Like most people do not experience seasonal effective disorder until over, they're over the age of 20. Like kids tend not to have it as strongly as, you know, it may be. depression, there might be something else going on, right?

But the just coming and going of the seasonal depression tends to be when you're an adult. And my suspicion is that you're just outside a heck of a lot less. And yeah, so there could be reasons for that. It could be biochemical. But I think there's some of it is just what a kid does in life and what an adult does in life. Like, if make a kid go to work where it is 40 hours a week, leave in the dark, come home in the dark. and be like, how you feeling? I don't think most people feel super great, right?

But there's a lot of variation with humans, right? There are people who, my whole entire family, let's see, Monday and Tuesday, it was in the 90s, it was so flipping hot you wanted to punch someone. And then Tuesday, it cooled down 30 degrees. So it was 65, like a little sprinkling. My whole family are Hobbit, Nordic people, and they all, everyone was like,

I'm so happy. Like just in heaven. I think we should live in Seattle or something. They just love gloomy, rainy. No. Especially in the contrast to really hot, right? Nobody's a fan. That's why we live in the northern world all the time.

Anyway, but that idea of like, there's a spectrum of people who fluctuate with this. So the other stat I thought was interesting is about 1% of people in Florida experience seasonal affective disorder, which means they still experience it even though it's pretty sunny all year, right? And then it's 10% in Alaska, which shocks me. I thought it would be 85%. Yeah, I thought it would be way higher.

That's surprising. Right. And our emailer is from Canada. So they're going to just have less daylight in the winter months than, you know, if you live in New Mexico. Right. So there's a reason people migrate south to get more sun and you feel different, right? Because that is valuable and important to humans and how we process. all sorts of things, that actual vitamin D we get from Sun is the best form.

So it's a little tricky when we're like, okay, take vitamin D. It's not going to metabolize the same way actual Sun does, right? But it's a start. So it sounds like he's got lots of options he's already thought through. So I want to take this a little differently. Well, sorry, I'm skipping ahead of myself. Let me give you the, let me give you the, what is it? The definition.

Yeah, that might help just because I think there is a difference between this and regular depression. And so let's differentiate a little bit. And you can have two types of sad. Oh. You can have the fall onset and then there's a spring onset. Ooh. So it's not simply just sun exposure.

It's a combination of different things, right? Okay. So fall onset, they call it winter depression. In Sweden, we called it the winter swede. There's a summer Sweden and the winter suite. And the symptoms of depression begin late fall, early winter, and then usually ease during the summer. And then spring, symptoms begin in late spring to early summer.

And it's way less common, but I have known a few people. Just really, really struggle in the summer. And, you know, you've seen some Instagram. You know everyone who loves the fall. That's probably because they had summer depression. Anyway, so yeah, it can kind of happen in both ways, much less common because the sun factor really matters, the vitamin D. Okay.

So here's the most common symptoms of SAD. increase sleep and daytime drowsiness that's also just aging yeah yeah yeah then I think yeah yeah Ryan is very sad so I'm very sad yeah I feel very sad right now exactly a loss of interest and pleasure and activities formerly enjoyed that's probably more important than the sleepiness yeah and I would say I would say that one is the one that's a marker for me because during the rest of the year there are things I love doing and when that kicks in those things don't sound fun to me at all. It's just like, I don't want to play that, do that. Yeah, I don't want to do that. Right. So another symptom is social withdrawal or increased sensitivity to

rejection. Irritability and anxiety, feelings of guilt and hopelessness, fatigue, low energy levels, decreased sex drive, decreased ability to focus or concentrate, trouble thinking clearly, increased appetite, especially for sweets and carbs, weight gain, physical problems such as headaches. And the symptoms tend to come back and then improve about the same time every year. that's that's that's rather than it's ongoing or it's a two week period and it's alleviated it it really does cycle like with the seasons right so even though that you have some of this nebulous fringe to it it's it is recognized as a as a oh yeah thing right like it's not like we're not talking about so oh i got the vapors or something this is like a real thing the fapers no so

i'll tell you how it's diagnosed officially so you know depression often happens with lots of other conditions with like heart disease or cancer, right? You're going to have depression is not the enemy. And I think we have framed it as such because it doesn't feel good. But it really often correlates with just really big changes in our life and really difficult things and loss. And sometimes it feels like it's for no reason, but it could be, you know, sort of things you haven't really looked at. So often people will have maybe a down period that's annual. And it might be connected to something that happened that time of year, or it reminds them of loss or something like that, right? And so where sad comes in is it really is just so consistent with the weather

pattern, you know, and that's where they can sort of follow it and understand what it is. So, but it can also happen with other things going on as well as other diagnosis like substance use disorder or other things, right? So just like anything, diagnosing and treating it early is going to be key to stopping it from getting worse. And it really takes a careful sifting through symptoms with and your medical history done by psychiatrist or a mental health professional. Most people can just feel it and be like, oh, that's probably what it is. And so maybe we can be helpful today with some of that.

But to really know that's what's going on for you, you have someone really sift through what it isn't and is because it could be other things. you don't want to mistreat it if it's not what you think it is right right and and here's the thing i'm going to i'm going to tell you what's typical treatments and then there's some few alternative things that people like to they can try and then i'm going to give you the Swedish solution the Swedish solution which uh they don't even know about this is my favorite tom clancy novel the Swedish solution It's good stuff

If anyone wants to No number one It's just a really fun Swedish book I just read But it is really dark And very Swedish And when you read Swedish literature You get like

Oh this darkness stuff Comes from living A lot of the time in the dark Yeah Yeah You know Kind of the Alaska Of the world

Anyway okay So treatments for Either winter or summer Depression Could include any of these And maybe in the combination of things exposure to sunlight.

So really spending time outside or near a window can help relieve symptoms. So real vitamin D from the sun is your best bet, which is why, if it's possible to travel somewhere with sunshine, that can really help. And if that's not possible, then your own sunlight, though it may be weak up there in Canada, is going to be helpful. So kind of building your schedule around being. outside when the height of daylight, which might mean noon. I remember times in Sweden, I'd just watch the sun come up over the horizon at high noon. That was high noon and it would just like

go back down. And that is hard, right? So you need to time it if you're going to use your natural sunlight, right? So making sure there's some time outside. And even if it's dark and you've got a headlamp and you're going on a walk in the cold forest or something, that will benefit you. And one the big things most people do when they're feeling any of these symptoms is they stop moving, right? You start to hibernate. And if you can keep exercising, whether it's just even stretching and yoga and sort of calm or kinds of things, you're going to be better off. The natural response is to kind of hunker down. And in that, it kind of keeps you in that space. And so accessing sunlight being outside, moving is really important if you can do that. Okay. And then light therapy,

There is mixed reviews on light therapy in terms of efficacy. But if we're looking at it, cures 100% your seasonal affective disorder. It probably won't. But again, we have the range of people who really, really benefit and those who don't quite meet the double-blind study criteria and get as much out of it. So there's a bunch out there. I have not looked at them or done any research. So I can't speak to what are good ones.

But read a million reviews. And it sounds like he's already doing that, which is great. And so another way to have that. So one of the things that's happening in the winter is more melatonin is being released, which is why we're sleepier, right? And that naturally occurs like, I don't know if any of you have seen the midnight sun, but you are so wicked physically tired, but you're not sleepy in the same way you are in a normal night when the sunset at 9 p.m.

You are like, wow, I feel delirious, but I should go on a hike. it is so light outside. It's crazy. We are built to move around the sun, right? Like that is what's happening. And so our tendency to go indoors and have artificial light is very high, right? So what we want to do is just try to increase the natural rhythm that works well for your body. So light therapy, you know, you do it for a certain period of time in the mornings usually is what most people do because it's mimicking the rising of the sun. So one thing, it's funny. We're just as just having this conversation about somebody in science fiction science fiction never shows this but if we're going to be realistic about long periods in space where you're just out there traveling forever and you're

you know the ship might be a wonderful self-contained place with gardens on you know whole floors or whole decks of the ship based you know based on human survival and food and everything they would also have to replicate this rhythm yeah yeah because we're not going to change our biology in You know, that takes millions of years. We're just going to be up there and then suddenly go, oh, crap, what day is it? The star date means nothing. Is it noon? Yeah, yeah.

We really need light. Yeah. Can you find me by a sun, please? That's what happens once a day. They quickly run by a sun. Exactly. When you think about what the sea creatures at the bottom of the ocean who never see light look like, right? They have to adapt to that environment.

It's not pretty. but you know humans adapt eventually and there i mean we've got people who have lived all over the globe uh i mean i don't know if you've ever seen videos of like when the sun finally rises in antarctica and just like anyone who's been living there the level of sun worship you just don't understand until you haven't seen it for a minute and then you're just it's you're obsessed right because it really is crucial to our biology so anything you can do to mimic that in your light therapy, follow the advice of your doctor, but like, you know, there's some alarm clocks I've heard people really enjoy where it sort of lights the room gradually

like a sunrise. And people have found that really, like so much easier to wake up to than right, right, you know. Okay. So light therapy, a big one. Here's the thing this person didn't say is if they've ever talked to anybody about it because just the, you know, psychotherapy can be really helpful if you start to have distorted views of things. Because, you know, put someone in a dark space and tell them not to overthink it. Right? Like stuff starts to happen maybe internally or in relationships that might be adding to this. And so, you know, stress management and management of thoughts and feelings can be really effective in treating sad.

And then the final thing that people often use will be antidepressants, just like they're going to do the same thing, just provide more neurochemicals access them. Your brain can access them a little easier because they're there. So that's kind of the final one. Any thoughts? Do you do any of these things yourself? I know. So I can, the thing that really rang out in my head when you talked about it was this feeling of,

I need to hibernate, but fighting that feeling. Do you have tips for like, because when you're in the thick of that, you're just tired and you're like, that couch looks comfortable and that blanket right there, that looks awesome. And I've got a TV and I can just really make something. Everything I need in my portable monitor. Yeah, I got my little bag of chips, whatever I need, right? And the temptation to say no, instead, Scott, why don't you go out and do a mile walk around the lake or something?

that's hard you know yeah that's it's one of the reasons that at least one of the excuses is that I give to myself for why I do the the ride share driving

the lift driving is because all my other work everything else I do is in this windowless basement right here well there's a window way over there but

but if I don't do that I feel like I'm not getting any sunlight I will stay down here for 9, 10, 11 hours a day in this basement and not really see any any sunshine so you know that that's kind of my solution and it just happens to make a few bucks well it creates a it creates a commitment that takes you out of it and so that's smart the commitment key yeah yeah yeah so so would you

have suggestions for those kinds of commitments yeah I do in fact that's the this is my Swedish method actually you're hitting on parts of it is that there is a natural rhythm to life that when you fight against so hard, you're missing what it actually has to offer you, right? So winter, and there are places where people never experience winter, but there still is some biological rhythm to where anyone lives, right? I think the Florida thing, like sometimes I have a friend of Florida will talk, and I'll just be like, so what's the weather?

She's like, it's freezing, it's 50. and that is their winter right like that and they slow down they wear sweaters which is weird um but you know that is the rhythm of somebody's life no matter where you live rainy season whatever it is right and so some of it is like fighting that all the time is not going to sort of let you absorb what's good about that season um but also just succumbing 100% to the couch is also not good for you. So the Swedish method is a nice balance. And there's actually a Swedish word and a Danish word. I am sure there is a Norwegian word and I am. I think the Norwegian and Swedish word are the same. And then I am sure there's a Finnish word. Anyone who lives in the northern tundra, I'm sure there's a Russian word.

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. For what they do that compensates for this thing or how they live it, right? Because before the word depression existed, they were managing the light. They were figuring it out. And so a lot of it is hunkering down, right? Following, you know, before electricity, of course, you just followed the light, which is tricky in fire and figure it out. But the idea is like to hunker down on purpose. Like there is actually think of it as the concept of,

and the Swedish word is Musi, which is M-Y-S-I-G, if you want to Google it. And the idea is that, You work all week, and then you have Friday is like cozy day, and that's what it means. Friday night and cozy. And what you do is you eat tacos, which is weird, but we have tacos, and then you watch your movie with your family, or you huddle in together. And people will do it all year round, but it is sacrosanct in the winter, right? And it's like, we've pushed ourselves, we've done our things, and then we hunker down.

And so the Hege is the word in Danish, and you've probably heard that too. It's like friends, good food, coziness, like candlelight. Like there's just a coziness to it, right? And the greatest compliment a Swede could ever give you is to tell you that your event was this word was missing. It just means, oh, you hit it. Like, that's it. It was the perfect evening. Even if it was a party where everyone was singing and dancing.

It's not that it has to be quiet. But it does have to have this cozy connecting thing to it. So the idea being you got to balance a little bit of the stuff I got to get done, which should include moving and being in light, right? That's stuff you just got to get done. And then the balance is with premeditative. That's the wrong word. But like predetermining when you are going to do the cozy thing.

Scheduling it basically. Schedule it. Yeah. And so that cozy thing cannot be by yourself all the time. So that's the other piece. of these words is it's with others right humans though right because i do with my dog all the time but you don't mean that sure you can do with your dog but humans is slightly better but it's you know whatever you got it's great and and so it may be that you go to a particular restaurant that you like

that has that kind of cozy energy but you're with somebody or you know you're kind of finding ways to do that together so another another version like this is the american version of it i think is find like a tv series you've been dying to watch or maybe new series comes out and you're instead of like showing no restraint and binging what you need to do is that's only what you do on Friday meter it out yeah yeah with your favorite snack right so instead of fighting these urges you you fight them some of the time and then you indulge them some of the time but you're you're actually intentional about doing it um and that's just the life of living up north is that you've got to get the firewood or you'll die so you have to do the thing

and it's physical and it's outside. And then you come inside and you have the cozy or you'll die, right? So when you live in places where you're not going to die because of those things, you have more choice and that's where I think we get in a lot of trouble. So yes, there's the traditional medicine route, the psychiatric way to manage these things. I think personally, because I've lived in that space, a real darkness, like it's more about leaning into what it already offers you. And, of course, I had a whole culture teach me how to do it, which was pretty cool.

But it doesn't mean it's not hard. It is. But so he lives in Toronto. Is that what you said? Toronto, correct. Toronto, okay. So one of the things to figure out, what is in Toronto that you can put on your calendar that you look forward to? So here's where this intentional planning of your winter, we do this in summer, right?

Plan your summer so you can get your vacations or whatever. Intentionally plan your winter. where are you going to go maybe you could go get some sun at some point where are you going to spend weekends um is there a in the evening what how how might you do this how can you insert actual sun exposure in your day when are you going to do your light like just get real planning about it um and you can have some flexibility in there but you may find that when you're scratching both sides of this, you can, maybe this sad part isn't so strong because you are actually resting, which is what depression really requires of us. It requires a level of

resting. Most of us are not good at. And he usually does it by smashing us to the ground. The idea here is we don't let, we don't let it smash us to the ground because we're going to do a couple things that are really crucial to managing mental health. And that is sun exposure, moving our bodies, eating enough nutritious food, and interacting with other people. So when you look at those four things, where are you missing something and where do we need to work on that? Right. So I have an example.

If you live in the Twin City metro area of Minneapolis, the Walker Museum, every winter does this evening where you gather in this beautiful space for 15 bucks and they show you all the British commercials from, they're like British Commercial Award thing. and you just sit and watch British commercial after another. It is so stinking fun. Weird. Right? Really?

That's crazy. It's so fun. And if you had that on your calendar and you ask a date or get a partner or have a plan, right? Like there is a thing to, A, look forward to and it's with another person and it's, you have to move your butt to get there. And, you know, all of those different things.

Just start building those things in there. And that's enough. And then the hunker down, cozy Danish nights are serving their purpose, right? So it's not to fight it all the time. I think that's where we get in the mistake. We should never feel bad. We should never be sad. We should never have, you know, everyone go watch the, what's that show?

Inside Out again. Oh, the movie. Yeah. Yeah. So does that make sense? I mean, I'm sure as Swedes listening, just like, no, you've got to move to Lord, it's just too hard, you know, I can get it. Right, yeah.

No, that makes sense. One of the things I noticed last year, one of my doctor's appointments is my doctor said, your vitamin D levels are in the toilet. And I'm like, really? She goes, yeah, these are lower than they should ever be for anyone ever. And I said, well, I try to get sun and stuff. She goes, that's not enough for everyone. Some people just aren't maintaining it.

So you need to supplement that. So I started taking 5,000 M, whatever. the, whatever the normal, over-the-counter level thing is, every day with a few exceptions. And it almost immediately got better. And I felt so much better when those numbers rose. Like, it was day and night. So just throwing it out there that if any of you were like, well, I am doing this and it's still so freaking, just that might be something to check. Yes.

And the form of it. So there's liquid form. remember there's, like, just do some research on what might be the most bioavailable to you. And it really varies per person, right? Like, my vitamin D is always low, too. We are just so white. We have this shield in our skin that doesn't allow vitamin D in, right? And so, and also, like, I think the numbers are two hours is what you really need a day,

which is a lot of time if you're like a working person in a basement. That's a lot of sunshine. hours to have right so that's a lot 10 15 minutes in the winter it might be the best you can get right and so do that but also you know you can get your blood drawn and see how much what your vitamin D is doing um I for years was just like whatever you're just it's hype I just use the sun and then I use vitamin D and I'm like oh dang it yeah it feels genetic everybody and I swear everybody in our family's got the low low because we all metabolize certain things in different ways. So, you know, look around your family. Is everyone got sad? Well, you probably don't

have vitamin D absorption very, going strong in your family. And for others, this is not a thing at all. They don't mind. Oh, no, they don't care. There's some people with more D than they can deal with. They're a mega-D, you know? Way to go. Yep. So that's awesome. Well, let us know, listener, if any of these things are helpful. And I hope this winter is kind to you and everyone else for that matter. And one other quick thing. Go get a book from the library or vinyl line or read it, just any of the books about Swedes or Danes getting into this thing. Because just it's really so fun to read and be like, oh, I'm going to do that.

I'm going to have my house smell good. I'm going to make good food. I'm going to start knitting this. Like the activities of coziness, like if you treat them like the treat that they are instead of it's all day long. I'm sitting on my couch and it has a permanent. impression of my body. Right? It's like anything in life. Too much is too much. And so winter, you could start to behave too much in this hunker down mode and it will affect you. So

trying to figure out how to balance that a little bit. And before it hits, right, start to really have a couple of things in place. Start reading those books and make sure you're adding D's up and then, I don't know, go to Florida. Yeah. Get some time. Get some time in the sign. It's not safe in Florida. So head on down there. Yeah, said nothing wrong with Florida. Florida is never anything weird. Florida's where it's at. Always perfect. Excellent. This is great advice as always. And having Wendy here is always a treat. Wendy, anything you need to promote going on with real steps. Real steps is starting up again soon. We are trying to, we're debating if you do October or November. We did October last year, which was all about scary stuff, which was fun. And then we've done November before. So we're just going back and forth. There'll probably be November, but it'll come soon. I will tell you guys. and email people soon enough. Bookmark real steps.org now so that it'll be easy for you to find it and do all that when that comes up. Put your email in and you'll get notified when we are ready to rumble.

That's right. Yeah, a good one. Well, have a fantastic week and may all your vitamin Ds be high. We'll see you soon. Thank you. Thanks, Wendy. My doctor also told me that sometimes that coincides with low vitamin B12. And so I also up to that, that was very helpful.

and that was kind of in the toilet of my blood results. I don't know if they told me obviously they said here's your cholesterol level here's your blood pressure blah blah blah blah but I don't know if they told me

any of vitamin levels and that would be I'd love to know that so I know if I need to supplement anything. Yeah I think my doctor always says that they insurance companies hate full panel work

because it's a cost right but she's a huge believer in it because so many problems that she's run into with patients are often in these strange zones of like, well, we thought it was your thyroid. But really what's going on here is you're low on this, this, this, this and this. And those things all caused an improvement. I mean, maybe not in every case. But she's a big, she's a big believer in that. So you probably just have to request it next time you get a draw, just say, yeah, are we doing a full thing? I'd love to know all my stuff. And, you know, I don't know.

It feels like it seems like insurance companies would like it because it's more preventative, right? you're going to un-earth more things and then catch things before they're a problem. Exactly. People in other countries listen to us talk about this and they're like, what? I'm sorry. What do you guys do over there? You have to, what do you do? Insurance.

You have to do what to actually get help and treatment? That's so effed over here. Anyway, that was great. Thank you, Wendy, who can't hear me now, but thank you anyway. All right. We're done with this here show, with one exception, and that is to remind people about some programming coming up. I got Coverville today at 1 p.m. That's today. Yes. You've heard all about that. Tributes for Jimmy Buffett, Gary Wright, and Smash Mouth. Somebody wants to hold me. The world was

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Hey, is it too early to get a fish sandwich? There's two of them. One with Ryan, one with the guy. That's right. So Luke said, I leave in the cover master's capable of hands, but some of the artists we enjoy are the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Cole Play, Pink, and Taylor Swift. Boy, talk about a wide range right there.

I went with your first one. Even though I'm not the biggest Red Hot Chili Peppers fan, I do like some of their songs, and I really like covers of their songs. How about a song by a band called El Perro Del Mar, which I think means sea dog? Oh, really? I believe. This is a single day released in 2016 covering a song you don't often hear covered from the Red Hot Chili Peppers Library. Here is Breaking the Girl.

Awesome. We'll see you guys Monday for a new week of TMS. We'll see you then. I am a man caught from the north. Rarely do friends come and then go. She was a girl, soft but a strange. We were the two. Our last rearranged Feeling so good that day Feeling of love that day

To sing and turn your feelings so finally breaking a girl Shear and view your heart Think you're so clever You're still breaking a girl. He loves no more. Mace were my dad, girl of the day. He was my man. That was the play.

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Why The twilight of love how to ride Twisting and turn your feelings You're breaking a girl You're breaking a shirt You know how No heart I think you're so clever

You're going to go. And I can't. No one. They'll know. Tust. No one. Tust. Twisting.

Twisting and turn your feelings in summer. You're breaking the girl. You're breaking the girl. You know how. No heart. No heart. Think you're so clever when I'm in the summer. You're breaking a girl.

You're breaking the girl. No one. No one. No one. No one is. You're breaking the goal. Get more at frogpants.com. Shiny.

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